HOTSEAT - Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful [Archive] - Page 6

Ramses II CP

06-22-2008, 20:52

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-09.zip

We had an epic battle at Somnath EF; you might've noticed I made it my capital? That was so I could spawn a general there, and I really thought I could take down just about anything you could bring with one of my generals... unfortunately those high XP Sindh mercs of yours somehow made him go amok as he was destroying them, so I lost. I did wipe out half your army and your entire general's entourage though (You really shouldn't leave your elephants in siege, their AI is awful. Two volleys of fire arrows and they go amok, then I draw your guys right through them as they stampede around.), and I was within moments of killing that general when the timer ran out.

Well done, I hope it was expensive. :laugh4:

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

06-23-2008, 01:03

LMAO

TheFlax

06-23-2008, 05:16

The Shah is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-10.zip

I'll be subbing for Banzai Kamikaze until July 19th, so please direct all message for him to me. Thanks.

Banzai Kamikaze

06-23-2008, 15:11

Yep yep, sorry about this guys. I'm going to Europe for a month !

Flax will be subbing for me. Might seem like a weird choice because of my Sultan's unsatiable hatred for his Christ lovers, but Flax has a sense of integrity unequaled by other men and women...

For those who worry, Flax is still under strict orders, not only from me, but from Allah himself.

Hopefully I'll still be alive when I come back :) .

Try sending your PMs to him, or if you really hate that Christ lover, send them to carlchiniara@hotmail.com .

Aright, I have a plane to catch.

The Lemongate

06-23-2008, 22:05

Ok Flax, so this is the moment you want me to attack the Ayyubids right? I get Cairo and Alexandria and you keep Damietta and Gaza?

phonicsmonkey

06-24-2008, 02:11

I'm back! :cheerleader::cheerleader:

Sorry again everyone for the delay to the game while I was away. :oops:

With three weddings and a stag weekend in three weeks, visiting six locations, it turned out to be harder than I anticipated to keep on top of things.

Now I'm back I'll be as omnipresent as ever and will keep things rolling as before.

thanks for all your patience, and to those of you who assisted with various things while I was firing off pms from my phone on the way from one place to another...:2thumbsup:

rossahh

06-24-2008, 09:27

Don't forget that Barca is away for a while. Someone (Zim is preferred) needs to sub for him.

phonicsmonkey

06-24-2008, 10:13

got that, thanks

and flax is subbing for banzai...

00jebus

06-24-2008, 21:50

save passed on to ATPG

Im dead (almost), I've been saying that for 10 turns now, but, this time I mean it.

Askthepizzaguy

06-24-2008, 22:13

Ok, next: Oman is up Deguerra

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-12.zip

phonicsmonkey

06-25-2008, 05:58

I have updated the first post with the following Turn 15 update.

Enjoy!

Turn 15 update:

- The Georgians accept (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1903210#post1903210) the terms of the Treaty of Baghdad (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1894745#post1894745) and are at peace with the ERE.

- An army of the Kingdom of Armenia attacks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1906351#post1906351) an army of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, executing Count Raymond of Tripoli and renewing the conflict between the two Christian Kingdoms. The action is condemned (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1906551#post1906551) by the Turkish Sultan and by the Caliph (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1906925#post1906925).

- The Khwarezm capital Merv falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1908286#post1908286) to Seljuk forces.

- Peace negotiations begin (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1908687#post1908687) between the KoJ and Armenia, but soon stall (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1913982#post1913982) as Aleppo is taken by the Armenians and other nations weigh into the dispute.

- A peace treaty is proposed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1911039#post1911039) between the Khwarezm Shah, the Ghaznavids and the Seljuks, brokered under the auspices of the Coalition of Freedom, but there is no agreement over its terms and as the Khwarezm armies enter Samarqand the Khwarezm city of Bukhara falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1914942#post1914942) to Ghaznavid forces.

- The Ayyubid Sultanate declares its neutrality (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1915541#post1915541)in the Levantine dispute.

- The Caliph celebrates (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1917259#post1917259) his 40th birthday.

- The ERE intervenes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1919111#post1919111) in the Levantine dispute, taking Tyre, Acre and Jerusalem from the Crusaders and establishing a 'protectorate'. The action is welcomed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1919132#post1919132) by the Turkish Sultan.

- Peace negotiations to end the Levantine crisis are again initiated (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1919153#post1919153) by the Turks, but soon stall in disagreement between the parties.

- The last Takavor of Armenia is slain (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1919395#post1919395) by raiding forces of the KoJ, riding deep into enemy territory. The Kingdom of Armenia is no more.

- The Caliph intervenes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1920491#post1920491) in the Levantine dispute, taking Aleppo and Hama in a co-ordinated surprise attack, driving a wedge between the warring parties and claiming to seek a forced peace in the region.

- A peace agreement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1921357#post1921357) is finally reached in the Levantine dispute. KoJ becomes a vassal of Rome, and Turkey and the ERE are allies.

- The Shah of Ghazni becomes the new leader (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1921357#post1921357) of the Coalition of Freedom.

- The Basileos Manuelos Megas Komnenos of the ERE dies and is succeeded (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1926944#post1926944) by Alexios Komnenos.

deguerra

06-25-2008, 10:04

Romans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-01.rar

The Lemongate

06-27-2008, 01:48

Georgia is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-02.zip

TheFlax

06-28-2008, 00:39

KoD is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-03.zip

rossahh

06-28-2008, 08:44

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-03.rar

phonicsmonkey

06-28-2008, 11:34

seljuks are up - I believe Zim is subbing so I'll pm him

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-05.zip

Zim

07-01-2008, 08:40

Hey guys, have both the Seljuk and my turn finished, but am having trouble with the uploader (and the backup :sweatdrop: ). I'll give it another try tomorrow or if that fails try to email the save to the next guy or something.

phonicsmonkey

07-02-2008, 00:08

Hey Zim (and anybody else who's having uploader issues)

If you end up having to email or IM the save to the next guy, can you please still post here so I can keep track of the turn deadlines?

thanks!

PS. I pm'd Tincow about the uploader problem, but I'm not sure if there's anything he can do

TinCow

07-02-2008, 00:18

I'm aware of the uploader problems. Hopefully they will be fixed soon. Until then, you can use something like:
http://rapidshare.com/

Jason X

07-02-2008, 12:32

With three weddings and a stag weekend

you are hugh grant and i claim my back-of-the-car-[CENSORED] :clown:

phonicsmonkey

07-02-2008, 14:02

you are hugh grant

busted!

srsly, who knew hugh grant played BC hotseats?

Zim

07-02-2008, 18:46

http://rapidshare.com/files/126605420/BC-17-07.zip.html

Ferret

07-02-2008, 20:21

I'm beginning to wish that I never declared war on you Ramses, your Western assaults cost me hundreds of Ghazis and only one elephant survived the volleys of javelins before they ran, and that was the general :wall:

Added to this I forgot to build ladders at Somnath meaning your garrison will kill more of my dwindling army. I fear the tide of war is turning in your favour :(

Save:http://rapidshare.com/files/126624777/BC-17-08.rar.html

Ramses II CP

07-02-2008, 21:49

Hah, can't look at the save, but I figured I'd messed those sieges up in the west. My first ones you understand, and, of course, I'm completely destitute. Only selling the stuff at Somnath funded those two forts, and only barely.

Anyway, your production advantage will ultimately lead you to victory, but I'm going to make it a long, painful road if I can. :laugh4:

Oh, and if the general retreated he might not be able to build a fort and guard himself anyway, so he might very well be dead just a turn delayed.

:egypt:

Ferret

07-02-2008, 22:25

He retreated into a fort...

Ramses II CP

07-03-2008, 23:48

Okay, FYI I'm still trying to get a successful, complete download of the file. I'm going to stay up and try it late tonight, when the connection might be a little more stable.

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

07-03-2008, 23:50

I could try to download the file and mail it to you

phonicsmonkey

07-05-2008, 07:08

24 hour extension granted to Ramses as he was having download issues

next in line be ready to keep it rolling!

Ramses II CP

07-06-2008, 05:27

Done! Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-17-09.zip

EF you'll be happy to know my elephant trick didn't work this time at Somnath as your boys went amok just as before, but your infantry sat back and laughed at me. When the elephants were in place to kick your guys I couldn't make the foot run forward, and when they weren't I couldn't get off enough arrows to do any real damage. I think you lost about ten men, and I lost two. I don't know if your general got smarter, or if your lack of ranged units saved you, but the battle was a waste of time for me. :juggle2:

I did manage to accomplish a few other things, but nothing dramatic. :shame:

:egypt:

Ferret

07-06-2008, 15:36

I'm gonna be going on holiday for a week tomorrow, and wont have any internet. Can Phonics sub if my turn comes up again?

phonicsmonkey

07-07-2008, 00:14

no problem EF

TheFlax

07-08-2008, 00:58

The Shah is up.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-17-10.zip

00jebus

07-08-2008, 21:01

oops, sorry to the flax, I checked my PM first

turks are up; http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-17-11.rar

Askthepizzaguy

07-08-2008, 22:18

I will get to this turn hopefully within the 48 limit. I have to go somewhere tonight and I'm gone tomorrow, and I have serious business to deal with in the diplomacy thread.

phonicsmonkey

07-09-2008, 03:01

I'm going to be on a short business trip when the 48 hours comes up, so I'll grant ATPG a 24 hour extension now in case he needs it

Please try to get it done in the 48 hours if you can

Askthepizzaguy

07-11-2008, 02:30

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-17-12.zip

Deguerra, youre up!

deguerra

07-11-2008, 02:47

will get to this tonight.

deguerra

07-12-2008, 03:14

sorry, took a little longer than expected.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-01.rar

phonicsmonkey

07-14-2008, 00:34

does anyone know what's up with Lemon?

I see his last activity was 1st July

Is he away? did he leave any instructions with anyone to sub his turn?

deguerra

07-14-2008, 03:40

not that I am aware of. Zim may have told me something and I forgot, but I don't think he left any instructions.

phonicsmonkey

07-14-2008, 04:01

I will sub the turn tonight if I haven't heard back from Lemon in the next five hours or so

phonicsmonkey

07-14-2008, 09:34

ok, I skipped the roman turn - georgia is up

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-02.zip

I don't want to come across as a big complainey-pants or anything, and I realise I probably started the rot with my absence a few weeks ago and the long delay that caused, but this game is moving really slowly at the moment..

So this is a call to arms! Don't let this game die of inertia!

Let's pick up the pace and move things along really quickly for the next few turns - we're on turn 18 for jebus' sake, things are really well developed and just waiting to explode into action!

And if we think we're not going to make the deadline, let's get better at posting here and keeping everyone informed, and make sure we nominate subs and leave them with instructions so the plot can continue to thicken....

Are you with me? :2thumbsup:

00jebus

07-15-2008, 13:49

Yes, and for my sake I need everything to explode, its the one thing that would let me liberate my poor unfortunate villagers that are suffering under seljuk/ghazim oppression.

TheFlax

07-15-2008, 19:02

KoD is up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=3998

rossahh

07-17-2008, 12:23

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-04.zip

phonicsmonkey

07-17-2008, 14:01

yo, seljuks

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-05.zip

barcamartin

07-17-2008, 20:55

Yo, monkey, the Seljuks are done. Zim, the Ghaznis are up!

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-06.zip

Zim

07-18-2008, 07:50

Will get this done within the say. :yes:

barcamartin

07-18-2008, 08:27

Will get this done within the say. :yes:

Day perhaps, or is it an English saying that I'm not aware of? :clown:

Zim

07-18-2008, 21:42

Yeah, that's the ticket, a unique English colloqialism only used within a 3 foots radius of my computer. :clown:

Day perhaps, or is it an English saying that I'm not aware of? :clown:

Ferret

07-18-2008, 23:41

Withing? Is that another new word? :clown:

Zim

07-18-2008, 23:53

No clue what you're talking about. Just ignore the "Last edited by Zim; Today at 15:53." and run along, now. :clown:

Withing? Is that another new word? :clown:

Zim

07-19-2008, 08:31

Ghorids are up.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-07.zip

turcoman

07-19-2008, 11:31

If any player needed,i can play.
Just pm to me.
Also in which turn you are ?

Ferret

07-19-2008, 11:43

Ol' unbeatable Ramses is up:
http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-08.rar

edit: we are in turn 18 at the moment, phonics should be able to let you know if we need a sub. :2thumbsup:

Ramses II CP

07-19-2008, 14:50

lol, unbeatable. :wall:

We're visiting some friends this weekend for their daughter's birthday party, so I'l once again going to be slow. I'll be home sometime Sunday and I'll get it done before I hit the sack, say about 36 hours from now.

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

07-20-2008, 05:12

If any player needed,i can play.
Just pm to me.
Also in which turn you are ?

hey buddy, we might need a sub for the ERE if The Lemongate doesn't resurface soon..would you be interested?

tried to pm you but your box is full...

Ramses II CP

07-21-2008, 03:26

Ayyubids are up:

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-09.zip

I had an adoption offer this turn who was dead when I accepted it. Down to three generals now, is it near the end? :thumbsdown:

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

07-21-2008, 03:56

lol @ dead adoptees :laugh4:

did you pm TheFlax to remind him he's still subbing for Banzai?

barcamartin

07-21-2008, 10:07

What, the Hindus don't have necromancers ?! :S

Ramses II CP

07-21-2008, 14:52

I didn't pm Flax, just poked Banzai.

:egypt:

turcoman

07-21-2008, 20:22

hey buddy, we might need a sub for the ERE if The Lemongate doesn't resurface soon..would you be interested?

tried to pm you but your box is full...

Sorry my pm-box is now open.We can communicate by pm.If i play permanently, i will play.

I wait for pm's

TheFlax

07-23-2008, 00:36

The Shah is up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4000

Banzai Kamikaze

07-23-2008, 03:51

Aright, I'm back from Europe. Flax played my turn because I was too busy and didn't want to make you wait. I hear Lemongate has disappeared, this will make things interesting...

Let's get this hotseat back to top speed ! :)

Salahuddin is back, may the world fear him.

phonicsmonkey

07-23-2008, 07:22

Welcome back Banzai!

Everyone, due to the continued absence of The Lemongate (the world's least present lemon scandal) :clown: I have asked Merlox to step in and sub for the ERE on a temporary basis.

I would like to leave the door open for Lemon to resume as Basileos if he returns soon, but to be fair to all players and in the absence of any instructions from Lemon as to how the faction should be played, Merlox is free to play the faction as he sees fit for the time being, and will take over permanently if Lemon does not reappear in a reasonable length of time.

If anyone has any diplomatic deals with the ERE that they would like Merlox to honour I suggest you PM him right away to win him over - in my view he is under no obligation to stick to anything Lemon agreed.

If anybody has any issues with this, please PM me to discuss.

Now, on with the game!

Merlox

07-23-2008, 17:54

If it is alright, May i ask for Lemon's password, and the last turn he played.. so i'm up to date with every thing?

Also, i need to get the faction heir's name... I'll be IC as the Faction heir. :D

00jebus

07-24-2008, 12:52

the turks (http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18-11.rar) are up

phonicsmonkey

07-26-2008, 23:55

anybody heard from ATPG recently?

if we don't hear from him soon I'll skip his turn and post the link for deguerra....unless anybody wants to sub for him?

Ramses II CP

07-27-2008, 04:24

ATPG is out right now due to a busted computer and he asked me to sub for him in the GHC hotseat. In this one I don't know who he would pick.

:egypt:

rossahh

07-27-2008, 06:15

Probably TheFlax - they're neighbors and allies.

phonicsmonkey

07-27-2008, 13:59

darn!

obviously too much blitzing overheated his poor CPU..:oops:

I forgot his password so I'll reset it and pm the link to Ramses, if you're willing to sub that is..

Ramses II CP

07-28-2008, 01:52

Omanis are up:

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-18_12.zip

I tried to follow ATPG's expressed wishes. :yes:

:egypt:

deguerra

07-28-2008, 02:31

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-19-01.rar

ERE is up!

Merlox

07-28-2008, 18:16

Kingdom of Georgia is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/LDM/PBM/2008/2/9/9/9/9/7370-BC-19-02.rar

TheFlax

07-28-2008, 21:26

In response to Merlox's last OOC comment on the Diplomacy thread.

Lemon was AWOL, I say no point to offer a settlement to someone who was not playing. (One turn had been skipped.) As I said, when I played my last turn you were not playing the ERE, so I didn't bother. I couldn't telepathically predict you would end up playing the ERE's next turn. :clown:

Merlox

07-28-2008, 21:29

I demand that we all chip in and purchase the upgrade to Telepathically Predict for TheFlax! THIS IS MADNESS! :O

TheFlax

07-28-2008, 21:38

*Hint* You might want to PM me with a proposal before I actually play my turn. Unless you want to wait until next turn? That's fine with me. :clown:

Merlox

07-28-2008, 22:24

W/e was the last proposal was fine.

TheFlax

07-30-2008, 04:55

Kingdom of Damascus is up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4007

rossahh

07-31-2008, 10:50

I'll do it tomorrow after school. I'm stuffed right now.

phonicsmonkey

07-31-2008, 13:21

a'ight

rossahh

08-01-2008, 11:36

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-19-04.zip

All done, thanks for waiting. You're up phonics

phonicsmonkey

08-02-2008, 06:19

seljuks are up!

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-19-05.zip

Ramses II CP

08-02-2008, 18:52

FYI PM I'm not sure there is a Coalition still. I know for a fact that the Turks, Rajputs, and Georgians left it already, and the Omani hadn't been very active in a long time. The whole spy thing and the manipulation of the diplomacy system made it more of a hinderance than a help about 4 turns ago and it's been gradually dissolving in game since then.

:egypt:

barcamartin

08-02-2008, 20:58

Seljuk's done, Ghazni up !

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-19-06.zip

phonicsmonkey

08-03-2008, 00:16

Manipulation of the diplomacy system?

Zim

08-05-2008, 07:17

Ferrets are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-19-07.zip

Ramses II CP

08-05-2008, 13:36

The diplomacy system was used to break a siege by one faction signing an alliance with another and then immediately breaking that alliance before the sieging faction's turn came up, thus keeping it anonymous. Obviously after that the Coalition was forced to break up in game because it was more of a hinderance than a help. I still haven't been able to break all the necessary in game alliances, so it's entirely possible that it will happen again.

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

08-06-2008, 01:35

The diplomacy system was used to break a siege by one faction signing an alliance with another and then immediately breaking that alliance before the sieging faction's turn came up, thus keeping it anonymous.

Right, I'm adding this to my list of banned exploits.

This has no in-game justification and is only done in order to achieve an outcome which would be unrealistic in a 'real life' situation. There's no way a sieging army would break off a siege because one of their allies made a secret deal with the besieged party. :no:

I don't know the circumstances in which this happened and whether it was deliberate or an accident, but please don't do this again.

I've made my position on exploits very clear, and also made it clear that while it is impossible to definitively list all the possible banned exploits, I expect each player to exercise their own judgement in good faith.

Please use your common sense to ask yourself, when considering an in-game action, 'would this be considered an exploit by an objective observer?' before proceeding.

It would be a shame if the in-game course of events is influenced by the use of exploits. I think it has potential to ruin the game. :thumbsdown:

Sermon over - phonicsmonkey out. :clown:

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 00:06

hey, does anyone know where the Ferret is? he hasn't read my pm...:inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 01:28

The Coalition is still alive and better than ok, folks.

Just because we dont post in the thread anymore, that doesnt mean Phonicsmonkey isnt in for a huge surprise.

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 01:35

ATPG - I'm not at war with you or anyone in the Coalition - Georgia surrendered to me before a shot was fired

and we all know you are setting up home in India, so no surprise there..

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 01:36

lol

All I can do is grin.

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 01:37

bring it on, pizzaturk!

:smash:

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 01:39

Your armies are impressive, but I'd recruit some more to your east if I were you...

rossahh

08-08-2008, 04:15

The Ferrets are off to Germany for a bit, so you may need to find a sub for him phonicsmonkey.

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 04:44

thanks rossahh!...nice of him to tell us :furious3:

I'll sub the Ghorids myself later...

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 04:52

Your armies are impressive, but I'd recruit some more to your east if I were you...

you don't scare me! you're a busted flush pizzaturk!

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 04:56

Busted flush?

Is that like... a broken toilet?
Would you kindly speak American? I don't speak Aussie.

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 05:04

Clearly you're no more a poker player than I am an Australian..

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 05:05

well I have no idea where you're from, but I never heard that term before, and I have played some poker. Maybe that's for guys who actually care about winning poker and bet real money.

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 05:13

Busted flush = four cards the same suit, fifth card different suit (a useless hand)

In the game you would use the term either to describe your hand afterwards, or to taunt someone that you suspect is going for a flush on the last draw card and has been betting on that basis.

Used colloquially (this from UsingEnglish.com) it means you are 'someone or something that had great potential but ended up a useless failure'

:clown:

Askthepizzaguy

08-08-2008, 05:19

I resemble that remark. :charge:

phonicsmonkey

08-08-2008, 15:50

rajputs are up

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/BC-19-08.zip

Ferret

08-08-2008, 19:22

thanks rossahh!...nice of him to tell us :furious3:

I'll sub the Ghorids myself later...

sorry :embarassed: I forgot to announce it in the Throne room.

Ramses II CP

08-09-2008, 20:16

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-19-09.zip

Announcement in the diplomacy forum soon. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

Banzai Kamikaze

08-11-2008, 03:03

Sorry, couldn't get to it during weekend.

I'll have time I hope tomorrow evening. If not, I'll have flax sub for me yet again.

TheFlax

08-12-2008, 01:54

Sorry about that, I was also away. :embarassed:

The Shah is up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4018

Banzai Kamikaze

08-13-2008, 23:58

Very sorry about the waiting...

Hospital work swallowed all my free time recently, and I was away from my PC this weekend.

00jebus

08-14-2008, 00:05

Im sorry about the wait too, I was expecting Zim to finish me off last turn.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-19-11.rar

phonicsmonkey

08-14-2008, 01:16

Im sorry about the wait too, I was expecting Zim to finish me off last turn.

Bad Zim!

:clown:

ok, so who's subbing for ATPG? Ramses?

Ramses II CP

08-14-2008, 04:08

If he gives his permission I can have it done tomorrow.

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2008, 01:20

Sorry folks, I have to withdraw from the game.

See explanation on the BC2 game thread.

I was soooo hoping to thwart Rossahh's invasion AND send massive help to the hindus.

I hereby bequeath all my money to the Hindus, and all my provinces, to the Eastern Roman Empire. I will need to leave one province remaining, so whichever one is closest to Rossahh's invasion forces.

And also, be sure to destroy all the buildings I had in that province and give the money to the hindus.
Disband all forces besides my generals.

phonicsmonkey

08-16-2008, 02:19

ATPG, I think I have one final idea for you - see the pm I just sent you and let us know whether you are willing to give it a try and stay in the game

Ramses, can you pls sub the turn for ATPG so the game can continue? I suggest you wait a turn before following his surrender instructions, in case he wants to try my idea and stay in the game

Ramses II CP

08-16-2008, 02:28

I'll have this one subbed either later tonight or tomorrow early-ish. Shouldn't be much trouble to do it either way if I get instructions soon-ish. :beam:

:egypt:

Ramses II CP

08-16-2008, 15:17

Just need to collect the PW and I'll pop this out in no time. :yes:

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2008, 00:43

Sorry for the delay everyone. I had assumed PM had pm'ed Ramses with my password.
You know what they say about people who assume, they make Jack a dull boy.

All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy
All work and no play make pizza go crazy

:elephant:

Ramses II CP

08-17-2008, 03:17

Okay, Oman is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-19-12.zip

I don't know how ATPG would want to address this in the Council thread, so I'll post the info here and let him decide. Vakha was retaken by the Turks, but that town north of there was lost and occupied by the KoJ. Prince Jean and Raynald de Chatillon were killed, and Balain's army was mostly wiped out, but Balain and the new prince, whatever his name is, just would not die (And of course the 2nd army's veteran infantry would not rout, only about half of them are dead) so the battle also cost the life of the Sultan and two of his other generals, and almost all of his army. It was a fun sub, sorry it took so long. :laugh4:

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2008, 04:21

As long as the Latin forces tasted good Turkish steel and were humilated by lesser forces, I can die a happy Sultan.

Sorry, no easy victory for Baldwin... not with the legendary Ramses at the helm!
:smash:

Bow before his genius. Bow, I said! :clown:

Ramses II CP

08-17-2008, 04:31

The battle was a draw rather than a victory for either side, ~2500 dead KoJ and ~1400 dead Turks, but considering that losses acount for about 70% of the total Turkish nation's army including 3 family members and the nearby city is now ungarrisoned, though the tiny remains of the army may retreat there, it was a strategic victory for the KoJ. Don't toot my horn too hard, if the enemy hadn't been parked on a river crossing with virtually no ranged troops it wouldn't have even gone that well. :laugh4:

:egypt:

deguerra

08-17-2008, 05:08

will do this tonight :2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2008, 07:11

deguerra

08-17-2008, 09:43

ERE is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-01.rar

:2thumbsup:

phonicsmonkey

08-20-2008, 01:13

hi all - RL has intervened and Merlox will be away from the game for a few days.

I'm going to skip this turn for him so the game can continue..

phonicsmonkey

08-20-2008, 13:55

The Vassal State of Georgia is up! hope this link works, I'm using the new PBM uploader

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4020

TheFlax

08-21-2008, 07:18

Its actually The Protectorate of Georgia. :clown:

Kingdom of Jerusalem is up:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4021

rossahh

08-21-2008, 07:30

And it's officially "The Kingdom of Jerusalem (Oh Yeah Baby!)".

I'll have it done sometime tonight, so within the next 6 hours.

Edit: What is to happen to the Turks and their lands?

Askthepizzaguy

08-21-2008, 09:49

As one colorful Frenchman once said;

"None of your business!"

:laugh2:

rossahh

08-21-2008, 09:50

Do I invade or leave them be? That's what I'm wondering. (You said you would gift them to the Romans but the last Roman turn was skipped so IF there was an offer it fell through).

phonicsmonkey

08-21-2008, 09:53

Its actually The Protectorate of Georgia.

Yes of course, how rude of me, the Caliphate..erm..Protectorate of Georgia :clown:

Do I invade or leave them be? That's what I'm wondering.

If I were you....which I'm fairly certain I'm not, but IF I were you, I would probably continue to invade and work it all out with the Romans later..

Askthepizzaguy

08-21-2008, 09:56

Makes no difference to me. Turkey has already surrendered to the Romans with their approval.

If you wish to deny Rome her prizes, that's between you and Rome. Though I doubt Rome would be too happy about it.

:bow:

rossahh

08-21-2008, 10:07

In the original-original plan (from a long time ago), I was to give the Romans the Anatolian provinces so I'll just run with that.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-04.zip

phonicsmonkey

08-21-2008, 10:30

seljuks are up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=193&id=4022

rossahh

08-21-2008, 13:08

Hey ATPG, now that the Lemongate is officialy gone, I have a question for you (this is an OOC discussion about this hotseat, nothing else).

Who's side do you think TLG was really on?

I know my own perspective but I'd love to hear the other side's.

Askthepizzaguy

08-21-2008, 17:50

Wild guess:

The Lemongate was aligned with Baldwin the entire time, and it seems to me that he may have been in league with the anti-Coalition alliance, of which the Caliphate and the Ayyubids, the Khwarezmids, Ghorids, and perhaps some Coalition members are presently a part of.

There is some kind of all-Muslim league out there, which I was invited to, but I declined to join, merely because I thought the game would not be fair if all the Muslims joined one side.

I've been pro-Catholic and Christian, as well as pro-Hindu the entire time. A shame that you christians couldn't get your act together.

:no:

TheFlax

08-21-2008, 19:56

If I may give my own reply to Rossahh's question. (being the person here who knows TLG the best here)

He was really on no one's side, he frankly did not care and would have simply gone with the alliance that was the most advantageous to him for now, than switched sides when it suited him best. No one was safe from TLG. :clown:

rossahh

08-21-2008, 22:31

It wasn't so much anti-coalition as anti-Turk. Most of the coalition was too far to be of any consenquence. The Khwarezim and Ghorids were never involved with us (technically neither were the Ayyubids seeing as BK always kept neutral) but we managed to sway a couple of factions against you went you sent us your plans to invade Egypt for not helping you enough.

Ferret

08-21-2008, 22:42

My position in all of this will become clear soon :yes:

barcamartin

08-22-2008, 09:32

Will play my turn this afternoon, in 4-5 hours approx.

barcamartin

08-22-2008, 19:53

Sorry for the delay, my refereeing career intervened. :P

Anyway, Zim the Ghazni is up! :)

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-06.zip

deguerra

08-23-2008, 02:30

hmm, zims been having internet troubles. someone want to sub?

rossahh

08-23-2008, 05:28

The Hindus (Ramses) maybe?

Ramses II CP

08-23-2008, 05:55

If Zim can check in and confirm that it's okay I'd be fine with that.

:egypt:

deguerra

08-23-2008, 06:39

I dont think he has any .org access atm, he just recently asked me to PM someone for him. I would assume its ok. I can also do it, but it would have to be tonight...

barcamartin

08-23-2008, 12:09

I had Zim's password since an earlier subbing, and as his ally I don't think he'd object.

EF, the Ghorids are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-07.zip

Ferret

08-23-2008, 13:50

The unstoppable Hindus are up, I sent you a peace offer too, this time I'll stick to it, or die :laugh4: :

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-08.rar

Ramses II CP

08-23-2008, 19:12

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-09.zip

Announcement will be in the Diplomacy thread. EF's attempt to technicality his way into a ceasefire while holding siege on my FOB was rejected. :yes:

:egypt:

Ferret

08-23-2008, 19:24

It was only a half unit of crappy axe men, to let you know that I knew it was there...I'll respond to your answer after some deliberation, there still may be a small chance for me...

Ramses II CP

08-23-2008, 23:08

Of course there's always a chance, but you had to know those axemen were enough to build a ladder, which is enough to allow you to assault the fort next turn, which is more than enough provocation for me to believe you were betraying me again. And since I had to kill the axemen anyway, I went ahead with all my plans, as there clearly was no ceasefire.

Next time you want to let me know you see an attack coming send a PM? :laugh4:

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

08-25-2008, 00:20

Everyone, the game's best-kept secret is about to be revealed!

Follow the story thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1998399#post1998399) to find out what's been happening in the background this whole time...

rossahh

08-25-2008, 03:09

Can TheFlax sub for Banzai?

Hmmm, a Muslim alliance. Where does that leave the Khwarezim?

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2008, 03:29

I told you the christians should have united.

Sigh... instead with all your petty bickering.

rossahh

08-25-2008, 10:07

Who said we had to do anything based on religion? In this game religion doesn't really affect who's your friends and who aren't.

Ferret

08-25-2008, 12:37

I'd just like to say that the story was phonics' work, we didn't deserve to be credited, except to make it clear just who was part of the alliance.

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2008, 14:29

Who said we had to do anything based on religion? In this game religion doesn't really affect who's your friends and who aren't.

At the beginning of the game I was informed that there was a large muslim league forming to take on the christians and so forth.

I declined to join because I felt the same way you did. However, in order to present a united front against the Muslims, I tried to get all the christians to cooperate.

When I found out the plans to destroy Armenia, I knew we were a little screwed. I tried to get Muslims to join on the Christian/hindu side. I thought that if I could save Armenia and get Rome to turn against the Latins, we could restore the balance.

Unfortunately, trusting the Muslims was what brought about my downfall. Relying on the Caliph's support in the campaign against the Latins, as well as funding the Ghaznavids, weakened my position. Trusting Lemongate at all was also a bad move, probably the worst one.

In the end, the remaining Christians are screwed, and I allowed myself to be destroyed. Maybe I should have joined the large muslim league after all.

But then again I would have had to side with Elite Ferret. (shudders)

:laugh2:

phonicsmonkey

08-25-2008, 23:55

here's (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1999055#post1999055)some more, just to explain IC how the secret is getting out..

rossahh

08-26-2008, 03:12

Unfortunately, trusting the Muslims was what brought about my downfall. Relying on the Caliph's support in the campaign against the Latins, as well as funding the Ghaznavids, weakened my position. Trusting Lemongate at all was also a bad move, probably the worst one.

Ah the question. Did the Abassids and Romans attack Jerusalem at the Turk's demands or at Jerusalem's own request?

Think about it. What better way to convince you that they were on your side than join you in your war. One might think it was highly convenient that all of my settlements lost to these 2 nations had NO garrison in them, while all the others did. Almost as if it was staged......

Trusting Lemongate at all was also a bad move, probably the worst one.

Well der. ~;p

:clown:

However, BK is still overdue so phonics should find a sub (though he won't have anything to do) or skip the Ayyubids.

Ramses II CP

08-26-2008, 04:09

BK hasn't been on since the 17th and hasn't read my PM. Neither has Zim read the last (BS) pm I sent him. :laugh4:

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

08-26-2008, 04:29

I will skip the Ayyubid turn later today.

In the meantime, please enjoy the Turn 20 update:

- Seljuk forces advance to Khiva (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1941383#post1941383), pushing the Khwarezm Shah into a corner.

- After it is discovered that a Ghorid spy has infiltrated the Coalition of Freedom, Crown Prince Malik of the Turkish Sultanate suspects further treachery (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1964023#post1964023).

- The Rajputs leave (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1964045#post1964045) the Coalition of Freedom.

- Prince Nevoulos assumes the command (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1974937#post1974937) of the Eastern Roman Empire.

- Breaking the news (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1980478#post1980478) that an invasion of the Turkish Sultanate by the Kingdom of Jerusalem has begun, the Caliph annexes the Kingdom of Georgia (which becomes the Protectorate of Georgia) and declares that he will not intervene to assist the Turks.

- The ERE falls into financial depression (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1980965#post1980965), and hands back the occupied Levantine territories to the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

- The Great Seljuks leave (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1981069#post1981069) the Coalition of Freedom.

- The Turkish Sultan is understandably upset (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1981541#post1981541) at the collapse of his Coalition and the invasion of his lands, as is the Crown Prince, who expresses his discontent (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1983118#post1983118) in a rather unique way (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1984611#post1984611).

- After one last sting in the tail (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1992164#post1992164), the Turkish Sultanate tries to secure its survival by becoming a vassal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1991519#post1991519) of the ERE.

rossahh

08-26-2008, 04:34

After it is discovered that a Ghorid spy has infiltrated the Coalition of Freedom, Crown Prince Malik of the Turkish Sultanate suspects further treachery.

Perhaps sending us the link to your forum rather than the link to the image itself (at imageshack or whatever) wasn't the best move.

phonicsmonkey

08-26-2008, 04:41

Perhaps sending us the link to your forum rather than the link to the image itself (at imageshack or whatever) wasn't the best move.

Jeez, how many of you were snooping in that CoF forum?

rossahh

08-26-2008, 09:27

It seems everyone but you. ATPG accidently let it slip to me (see my last post), but I don't know who told the Ferrets.

phonicsmonkey

08-26-2008, 09:31

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1999351#post1999351) is some more...

phonicsmonkey

08-26-2008, 10:09

Shah is up

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-10.zip

Ferret

08-26-2008, 11:12

It seems everyone but you. ATPG accidently let it slip to me (see my last post), but I don't know who told the Ferrets.

Now that you have seen the members of the brotherhood that should be kind of obvious...

3 of the Coalition of Light members were just spying on ATPG and Ramses, merely pretending to help them, which Ramses actually figured out, clever fellow that he is.

Ramses II CP

08-26-2008, 13:54

Viciously paranoid fellow more like. I've played enough Diplomacy to watch my allies closely, and in fact at one point (When I passed Kolachee on actually) I suspected ATPG of having created the idea of the Coalition just to distract me from trying to win the war on my own. The trouble with conspiracy theories is you can never have just one. :laugh4:

It will be very interesting to see how things work now. Depending on how far Rome has made it into Kypchak lands they may actually have a decent shot at getting to their victory conditions... if the KoJ is willing to help them get there.

:egypt:

Banzai Kamikaze

08-27-2008, 01:47

Wow sorry about that. I did not have time to check the forum recently. Flax warned me it was my turn, but I could not do it in time, sorry..

Hopefully this is the last time it happens. I'm done with my crazy surgery rotation, so I should have a bit more free time.

phonicsmonkey

08-28-2008, 02:48

More (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2000792#post2000792) of the Brotherhood backstory...

Zim

08-28-2008, 02:58

Hello, everyone, I've returned with a shiny new wireless connection. :beam:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 00:35

looks like 00jebus is AWOL, but I'm not going to be back at my gaming computer until Sunday night so I can't skip the turn

I'll pm and ask Zim to do it for me..

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 01:12

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 01:27

I just want to congratulate the "brotherhood" as it were,

This being my first hotseat game I was completely taken by surprise by this kind of treachery. Nicely done!

It's a shame I won't be around to see how you take command of the world. :bow:

why thank you sir - I must admit to being the architect of this treachery from the start...

I don't think it had really been done in a hotseat before, but I was partially inspired by the insidious plotting of the Illuminati in KotR, plus my super-backstab in the Britannia game gave me some confidence that we could pull it off successfully.

however, we are not in command of the world...yet

keep reading the story thread as we fill in the gaps for you - it's been really fun plotting away behind the scenes but it's even more fun to reveal it!

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 01:52

Bah, if you arent in control yet, you will be.

There's no one left who can realistically oppose you, even if they all banded together. Good work.

Seems the Coalition ended up destroying half of your enemies for you, then imploded.

rossahh

08-29-2008, 04:17

Seems the Coalition ended up destroying half of your enemies for you, then imploded.

The coalition seemed to beat only the Khwarezm at the price of losing Armenia. Hardly a roaring success.

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 04:35

The coalition seemed to beat only the Khwarezm at the price of losing Armenia. Hardly a roaring success.

...and in fact it was the Brotherhood that decided to war with the Shah, using the Coalition to provide cover and deflect criticism...:clown:

rossahh

08-29-2008, 04:47

Sure it did...

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 05:11

It seems the Ghorids are also on their way out the door, though I suspect only due to Ramses' brilliance. I'll admit any help I sent them was too late.

Sigh... if I had waited one more turn before disbanding my forces. But, that's the way the ball bounces.

I'll get you guys next time. :wink:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 05:19

Sure it did...

This is the problem with deceitfulness - you aren't believed when telling the truth..

I'll get you guys next time.

I'm sure you will at some stage exact your full revenge.

rossahh

08-29-2008, 05:40

I do believe you. I believe you just as much as I believe that the Turks arranged for the Abassids and Romans to invade Jerusalem.

If it is true though, you have the strangest concept of being "neutral".

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 05:41

Revenge?

Perhaps. But I have something better in mind.

rossahh

08-29-2008, 05:43

Very good story ATPG. A good read!

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 05:44

If it is true though, you have the strangest concept of being "neutral".

:embarassed:

Very good story ATPG. A good read!

yes, thanks for contributing!

rossahh

08-29-2008, 05:47

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 05:48

The Turks hated the Latins... that is for sure.

But the Latins did have one charm... they never hid their hatred for the Turks. They would fight the Turks on the open battlefield. They would boldly assault their neighbor, without once posing as his friend.

That takes balls. And it's a consistent philosophy.

Those who make friends with traitors will soon find themselves surrounded only by their enemies. :laugh2:

You hear that, Caliph?

Someday, one of your friends gonna get you. :grin:

rossahh

08-29-2008, 05:56

The problem for the Turks was that they trusted the Romans. :oops:

I must admit I was trying to provoke you during the peace talks. I wouldn't let go of "you attacked my empty settlements thing" to convince you that Jerusalem was dangerous and had to be destroyed. It was all part of the plan to convince you Rome was on your side (by helping to get rid of me).

Needless to say it worked. :2thumbsup:

:clown::smg: :clown::skull:that's it, the clown is deaddo you hear me? no more clown!it's never coming backget over itno more clownsever

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 05:59

Hey, the "Peace Maker" bullied Georgia into submission, funded the Turks against the Romans (but who didn't? :laugh4:), joined the coalition against the KoJ and orchestrated the obliteration of the Shah. That's hardly "neutral" is it?

The Caliph was never neutral, always on the side of the Brotherhood. It suited him for a long while to appear neutral in order to further the objectives of the Brotherhood. He has extremely high dread and a bunch of evil, manipulative traits so I've been RP'ing him as a treacherous snake all along.

For example he was also funding the Romans against the Turks, at the same time, in order to draw out the first Anatolian war and bankrupt both nations with repayments (this worked a little too well with Turkey as ATPG rightly decided the only way out of the resulting financial hole was conquest of the Levant, not a good outcome. Lucky Tristan overstepped the mark and was knocked out by rossahh..)

However, he has also achieved some little good - the first peace deal between Georgia and Seljuks genuinely saved the Georgians from being knocked out early (although at the cost of the Khwarezm), and he could have wiped the Georgians out this time or left them to the Seljuks instead of making them a protectorate.

It's worth bearing in mind that all this was a massive gamble that could have come crashing down around us at any time - if we had let slip that this was going on, I've no doubt that ATPG, Tristan, rossahh, TheLemongate, 00jebus and Ramses would have been able to gang up on and knock out the Brotherhood factions early in the game.

The Caliphate starts out small and under-developed: for the Caliph the Brotherhood started out first and foremost as a way to secure his borders and buy some time to expand the economy and tech up.

That it worked so well and we are now able to think past that is largely good fortune that no-one cottoned on to us sooner...the reason the story broke this week is that both ATPG and Ramses were close to guessing, and we wanted the fun of telling the world before it already knew.

EDIT: but I couldn't help hinting at this in my first story, The Caliph's Dream. Who were the djinns at the gaming table? none other than the Brotherhood, gambling with men's fates...and the nightmare of the fall of Baghdad was the manifestation of the Caliph's fear that the gamble would be lost and the Caliphate conquered.

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:01

Yeah, I was doing just fine until I trusted the Romans.

Armenia was still alive, Georgia was a strong nation, my armies were on the rise, and the Ayyubids were still funding my cause, even the Caliphate was loaning me money... oh those were some good times.

Can't say the Turks didn't deserve it though. Malik did do an excellent job behind the scenes of undermining the Turkish image around the world, plotting to destroy everyone, hand in hand with the Turk's own enemies.

According to my own pious philosophy, I got what I deserved. :yes:

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:05

I admit, you're quite convincing. I believe you now.

As you left out the Ayyubids and the Turks, Rome and I would have left you alone unless the Turks offered us something big as you weren't our natural enemies. Orginally after the fall of Armenia there was going to peaceful times ahead for Anatolia. Thanks for fixing that one for us PizzaTurk.

We'd already figured out you were in league with the Seljuks, phonics, but had no idea about the rest.

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:09

I've no doubt that ATPG, Tristan, rossahh, TheLemongate, 00jebus and Ramses

ATPG betrayed and was betrayed by Rossahh and TheLemongate.
The Lemongate and Rossahh conspired to destroy Tristan.
00Jebus and Ramses were both in no position to help each other, especially if their own allies betrayed them.
Tristan wanted Rossahh destroyed, and TheLemongate too.
I am not sure TheFlax ever had his heart set on conquest...

Basically, there was zero chance the west would have united against you.

____________________

Of course you do realize Ramses will destroy all of you.

:egypt:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 06:09

We'd already figured out you were in league with the Seljuks, phonics, but had no idea about the rest.

That was always going to be the hardest part to conceal - the Seljuks could wipe out the Caliphate within a couple of turns if they wanted to, but were always strangely reluctant to argue with the Caliph.

They still could if they really wanted to - they dwarf me and the other Brotherhood members in size and military forces. :sweatdrop:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 06:11

Basically, there was zero chance the west would have united against you.

In retrospect yes, but if you had all found out, before all that happened, that the Caliphate, Seljuks, Ghazni, Ghorids and Omanis (:skull:!) were all united and plotting your downfall, wouldn't you have done something about it collectively before collapsing into in-fighting?

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:13

Of course you do realize Ramses will destroy all of you..

Yep, I've read "Send in the Elephants" so I know it will happen. I wonder if anyone else has realised it yet though? :inquisitive:

EDIT: but I couldn't help hinting at this in my first story, The Caliph's Dream. Who were the djinns at the gaming table? none other than the Brotherhood, gambling with men's fates...and the nightmare of the fall of Baghdad was the manifestation of the Caliph's fear that the gamble would be lost and the Caliphate conquered.

And here's me thinking I'd finished philosophy in high school. Oh dear, how could I not have noticed? :skull: there was going to be a clown here but it's dead

I'd like to take this time to acknowledge that the multiple spoil idea is copyrighted by Askthepizzaguy. I stole the idea during a cunning piece of industrial espionage.
I wonder if he knows?probably not

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:15

In retrospect yes, but if you had all found out, before all that happened, that the Caliphate, Seljuks, Ghazni, Ghorids and Omanis (!) were all united and plotting your downfall, wouldn't you have done something about it collectively before collapsing into in-fighting?

Ummm, you hadn't mentioned that bit yet.........................................

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:17

Actually, Elite Ferret told me right from the start that there was a large Muslim league forming to destroy the Christians.

I knew at turn 2 that there was an alliance between most of you. I even warned every single christian nation about it. None of them listened.

it's a shame my old computer crashed, or I would still have those early PM's from before Rossahh and I became blood enemies. I warned Georgia, Rome, Armenia, and the Latins about it as I recall. Don't think they believed me. And I was so wrapped up in Anatolia, forming the Coalition to counter such a threat, which wasn't originally supposed to include any muslims besides myself... I kind of forgot about it.

I only really wanted the Ghaznis in because Hindus and Georgians were both allied to them, and as for the Seljuks, I frankly was the only one opposed to their joining. Was supposed to be a grand anti-muslim league, but I got in league with the muslims, and I couldnt get all the christians to get along, because Latins and Romans had their hearts set on destroying Armenia, and me, for all I knew.

So, back atcha Rossahh... we could have been friends if it weren't for your anti-Tristan bloodlust!

:laugh4:

:EDIT: Oh yeah, and I thought that the Caliph and/or the Ghaznis and the Ghorids would steamroll the Omans, so I felt bad and invited them too.

:wall:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 06:18

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2001759#post2001759) is the last part of the tale.

Ummm, you hadn't mentioned that bit yet.........................................

You mean you hadn't guessed? What use is a secret coalition if not to take over the world? Mwuhahahahahahahahaha!!!

:laugh4:

phonicsmonkey

08-29-2008, 06:20

EF - the leaky leakster!

I think it would be a fitting end for the evil Caliph to be trampled by elephants at the gates of Baghdad..who sows the wind, reaps the whirlwind....again a worry of his since the first story, although those whirlwinds were supposed to represent the mongols..

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:23

I've had this sudden brainwave. Let's let ATPG back into the game. I'll give him all of his lands back and then we can have some uneventful and peaceful times. What fun.

And yes, I remember you saying something like that. I'll delve into my early pm's and see what I can find.

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:24

So the moral of the story is, don't trust Elite Ferret. Ever.

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:26

Uneventful and peaceful?

Rossahh my good man, there would be no such thing.

You bring me back into the game and the Romans, Latins, Ayyubids, Turks, and Hindus will utterly annihilate the Caliph and his band of cowardly bunnies.

And I will personally saw his head off with a plastic picnic spoon, with Tristan's name engraved on it.

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:27

No, couldn't find it. This is the second earliest I could find. The earliest was the offer to join the Coalition (of Freedom).

The writer is TLG btw.
He's endearing.

Jerusalem might be advised to hold their tongue...

Do you know your ally is attempting to prolong our war? He also claims that the Ayyubids are doing the same. They fund both sides of the conflict, helping whomever is weaker, in the hopes that the balance of power will be retained. They fear that if I triumph in the war, their combined forces will not be able to destroy me or the Coalition. They also fear that if you destroy me you will become too powerful, and then they will deal with you.

I won't quote his exact words, but that's the gist of what he blabbed to me. I don't believe him, but I don't disbelieve him either. I think whomever wins our war will be suddenly betrayed by both of them; it's a strong possibility.

Maybe he's just fabricating lies to distract us. Just thought I'd pass it along. It seems your promise not to completely destroy us when you win the war will make us allies soon enough, and then you will recieve our assistance if you decide to assault Jerusalem. I've already convinced his neighbors to join the cause on our side, assuming "our side" still exists after the next few turns.

He also let me run into his capital unopposed after having sacked all its buildings. He has 2 armies nearly in striking range of Konstantinopolis. I imagine that without the one or two infantry units in them to mask their true striking range they can make it during his turn. I wonder if he has a spy to open the gates.

If he doesn't well all goes well for me. I should be able to take Ankyra next turn which is his main recruitment center. Once that falls, he doesn't have anything left.

Once the Turks are out of the picture, I'll help you in any conflict you wish. I will owe you on this one for sure.

rossahh

08-29-2008, 06:29

Why not rejoin the game? You know the truth now. No more lies and deception.

yeah right!

Askthepizzaguy

08-29-2008, 06:35

Nah. There wouldn't be much left to return to.

Turks need to die with what dignity they have left. The last thing I would want is to come back, get my hopes up, get into full on war-mode, and find another Roman dagger in my back. Or, the clincher, a Latin one. Signifying by divine providence that the Latins and the Turks will never, ever, get along.

:laugh2:

Zim

08-29-2008, 08:59

Finished skipping the turn but I need to check with Phonics on something. :yes:

Ferret

08-29-2008, 19:12

Rossahh, you can never kill the :clown:

And yeah, I am a leaky leakster :laugh4:

Everyone learned at least one valuable lesson, don't trust me :clown:

Askthepizzaguy

08-30-2008, 00:37

Ironically, if I trusted you a little more, and was certain you were telling the truth, and those I told about it believed me, your little brotherhood would have imploded.

So... trust the Ferret. But never really trust the Ferret.

00jebus

08-30-2008, 03:11

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-11.rar

Sorry about the wait guys, took an impromtu holiday and have been off the grid since sunday

Zim

08-30-2008, 07:40

We should probably wait on Phonics before we continue. Since he's away from his gaming computer he had me skip the Shah's turn. I had been waiting word on him about something before I could post it.

Can't say I mind much which save we continue from but I recall a bit of a crackdown from phonics concerning the turn limits, so he may or may not feel likewise. :bow:

phonicsmonkey

08-31-2008, 06:39

well, I will allow 00jebus this one as he has been reliable in the past, and since Zim hadn't posted the save yet

Zim, thanks for your help anyway, but let's continue from 00jebus' save...

is someone subbing for the Turks still?

Ramses II CP

08-31-2008, 07:20

Absolutely! If the Turks are up I will sub for them, won't take a sec.

edit: And I'd already be done, except that I deleted the PM ATPG sent me with the password. As soon as I get that I'll have it done.

:egypt:

rossahh

08-31-2008, 07:59

You can break the seiges if you wish, or you can just leave them be - everything I take is going to Rome as per ATPG's wishes anyway.

Askthepizzaguy

08-31-2008, 10:31

i would prefer a peaceful transfer of the territory.

if rossahh wants his troops spared, you dont have to break the seige. this war is over anyway. And he has such larger fish to fry.

rossahh

08-31-2008, 10:36

I'll pull back next turn. You'll be able to offer Konya and Ankara for sure, but I don't know if you can offer the others as they're under seige (not sure if the game will let you or not).

Askthepizzaguy

08-31-2008, 10:38

I guess this counts as my faction being defeated.

You're the first, and thusfar only person ever to defeat me, rossahh.

Askthepizzaguy

08-31-2008, 10:45

Oops, forgot:

Congratulations!

:balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon:

:medievalcheers:

rossahh

08-31-2008, 11:02

It did help that you had disbanded most of your army and were absent for the attack. Without those things happening you probably wouldn't of lost. Then again, if TLG was still around you would've have suffered a double invasion, which probably (not definitely) would've forced you into defeat. Therefore I claim more of a diplomatic victory than a military one.

I suppose that's the difference between the duels and a proper hotseat. Here the human factions can gang up on you while in a duel they've got no one but the AI (which is hopeless).

Askthepizzaguy

08-31-2008, 11:05

Details, details.

It's the only true defeat I've ever suffered in this game, and that includes when I first bought the darn thing.

Seems hotseats are the only true challenge. Were it not for roman and latin belligerence, this game might have been awfully boring for the west.

phonicsmonkey

08-31-2008, 14:48

Seems hotseats are the only true challenge.

I wholeheartedly second that.

Were it not for roman and latin belligerence, this game might have been awfully boring for the west.

I think this game has been excellent from start to finish, in all parts of the map - thank you everyone for making it so and long may it continue!

EDIT: Page 50! w00t!

Ramses II CP

08-31-2008, 16:12

The Turks might be eliminated this turn, depending on whether or not a little trick I tried works. I set my capital to be a siege I knew I could easily lose and then offered the remaining towns (After I killed Balain and threw off that siege, of course!) to Rome. If it works, Rome will accept the deal and the Turks will go *poof*. If it doesn't work, I removed the garrisons from all remaining provinces anyway and forced the KoJ to occupy those two areas with single unit garrisons. :2thumbsup:

The battle with Balain was hilarious in that at one point we had 4 layers of troops (Levy spearmen, Armored Sarges, Ghazis, more AS, more Ghazis, Outremar Swords, HA, a tiny unit of AS, and the Turk crossbowmen stacked like a sandwich) fighting back to back having counter-charged the rear of the unit which I had just charged the rear of their allies in front of them. The AI was rather more clever than expected, but since I didn't care about preserving troops it was a foregone conclusion.

Oman is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-12-a.zip

(Had some trouble with the uploader so the name is a little off)

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

09-01-2008, 00:38

I think this game has been excellent from start to finish, in all parts of the map - thank you everyone for making it so and long may it continue!

Oh, absolutely. I only meant that without a clear "bad guy" in the west, we might have all stood as one against the east, like a certain BC3 game.

phonicsmonkey

09-01-2008, 01:19

Oh, absolutely. I only meant that without a clear "bad guy" in the west, we might have all stood as one against the east, like a certain BC3 game.

You know, you and I are supposed to be allies in that game!

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just looking over the thread and getting excited about how great the game has been.....I also noticed this is the most viewed and most-replied-to thread in the Throne Room (although I'm guessing some of the archived KoTR stuff might beat us)..

deguerra

09-01-2008, 01:24

Oman is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-20-12-a.zip

(Had some trouble with the uploader so the name is a little off)

:egypt:

will get to this tonight :2thumbsup:

deguerra

09-01-2008, 12:30

Rome is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-21-01.rar

:2thumbsup:

Privateerkev

09-02-2008, 06:51

You know, you and I are supposed to be allies in that game!

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just looking over the thread and getting excited about how great the game has been.....I also noticed this is the most viewed and most-replied-to thread in the Throne Room (although I'm guessing some of the archived KoTR stuff might beat us)..

This game is the second most viewed. The most viewed is the Chancellor Report thread to KotR (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77311).

It is because it was posted in relatively little but needed to be viewed a lot. A couple of threads in LotR are like that as well and will most likely pass this thread up.

But that is because of the nature of those threads themselves and nothing wrong with this one. :beam:

*edit*

As for most replies, again this one is second. LotR's first OOC thread has more. But replies is less a measure of popularity and more a measure of when the mod decides a thread has had too many replies and locks it.

phonicsmonkey

09-02-2008, 07:02

This game is the second most viewed. The most viewed is the Chancellor Report thread to KotR (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77311).

It is because it was posted in relatively little but needed to be viewed a lot. A couple of threads in LotR are like that as well and will most likely pass this thread up.

But that is because of the nature of those threads themselves and nothing wrong with this one. :beam:

*edit*

As for most replies, again this one is second. LotR's first OOC thread has more. But replies is less a measure of popularity and more a measure of when the mod decides a thread has had too many replies and locks it.

Lol - I thought some of those pesky PBM threads might be bigger...

Still, not bad for a little hotseat, eh? :2thumbsup: