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Welcome! Welcome welcome welcome!
We are all too overjoyed to see you here!
Why don't you take a seat, and enjoy some of our most wonderful entertainment, prepared especially for you?
Yes, yes, sit down dears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thDGrA-rieM
Now, where were we...
Ah yes, chess. Lovely game. Roots from India. Having been with us in one form or another since about 200AD. Impressive longevity for a game.
Are the tables set up to your satisfaction?
https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/article/19394.4e3bb975.630x354o.2b6f6753fec4.jpeg
The tournament will soon begin. I am so excited to see the results!
___________________________________________
The player list:
1. GH killed D2
2. Csargo
3. Dp101
4. Pizza
5. Fredwood killed N4
6. El Barto lynched D4
7. Montmorency
8. Zack killed N2
9. Cuthillius
10. Manasi lynched D3
11. Slaan lynched D5
12. Reinoe killed N3
13. Choxorn killed N5
14. Winston Hughes killed N1
15. Logic killed D1
16. Xiahou lynched D6
17. Kagemusha killed N2
Rules:
1. Do not discuss the game outside of the game thread and mod-designated channels.
2. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time. After you die you may post one BAH post which does not include any clues.
3. You may not post screenshots of or directly quote your role PM, mod communication, or any other game-related communication that originated outside of the game thread.
4. You are expected to behave civilly.
5. You may claim whatever you like. Roles and characters have been assigned randomly.
6. Days 1 and 2 will be 72 hours and nights will be 24. Should you reach majority before that the game will go into twilight until I am available to post a flip. You may communicate during that phase, unless you're the one who was eliminated. Days 3 and 4 will be 48 hours long, and beyond that the day phases will be 24 hours long.
7. You may communicate in the thread during the night phase.
8. There are no cults in this game.
EOD 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152969-Chess-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053762403&viewfull=1#post2053762403)
SOD 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152969-Chess-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053762692&viewfull=1#post2053762692)
EOD 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152969-Chess-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053762984&viewfull=1#post2053762984)
Lazy mod...
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:00
Posting this with Sooh's permission and per her request because she's not at a computer right now:
The game has begun!
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:00
Hey guys.
Just a reminder: Game mode for me is regular font, moderator mode is green. :yes:
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:00
Softclaim: Town
vote: pizza
Softclaim: Town
vote: pizza
hard cc
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:02
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVuvgFaXXg)
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVuvgFaXXg)
Vote: Winston Hughes
https://i.imgur.com/JKj0N.gif
Hey guys.
Just a reminder: Game mode for me is regular font, moderator mode is green. :yes:
Look at me weeeeeeeeee
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:05
Look at me weeeeeeeeee
Vote: Csargo
:stare:
Oh man are we gonna do office gifs again?!?!?
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:05
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p261qJXj3k0)
Vote: Csargo
:stare:
Hey, stop that.
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p261qJXj3k0)
Vote: Winston Hughes
https://i.imgur.com/0MPdu31.gif
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:07
Vote: Csargo
oh my, didn't realize that was so big
hehe
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:08
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDhQYWVPdng)
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:09
This is actually a pretty sweet soundtrack, Winston.
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:09
GH scummy pop-in.
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:10
GH scummy pop-in.
...I've been here the whole time?
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:10
Zack and GH playing the percentages, scummily.
https://i.imgur.com/alBlE6r.png
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:10
...I've been here the whole time?
Exactly!
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDhQYWVPdng)
Vote: Winston Hughes
:duel:
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2017, 23:13
Exactly!
Fine, see if I ever compliment your in-thread music links again. :bigcry:
...I've been here the whole time?
Aren't ellipses a wolf tell?
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:16
Aren't ellipses a wolf tell?
Distancing.
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2SDInk6voA)
I can't find the vote 4 weston picture, looks like it's been lynched by Photobucket and I don't have it saved anywhere.
:sweatdrop:
Distancing.
Vote: Zack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2SDInk6voA)
Isn't being named Winston Hughes a wolf tell?
https://i.imgur.com/pyFY72V.gif
someone dooooo somethiiiing
Manasi
get your butt in here
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:22
Zack and Winston see-saw lampshading their relationship?
Csargo wagon too. Scummy wacky activity, a distraction.
Vote:Zack
I did it!
https://i.imgur.com/I1tGpaP.jpg
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:23
Isn't being named Winston Hughes a wolf tell?
My experiments suggest otherwise.
'McGinty' is much more lynchable.
And I'm not even going to talk about 'Badmeier'.
Aren't ellipses a wolf tell?
Dear god I hope not... I do it all the time :(
sup
~:wave:
Zack and Winston see-saw lampshading their relationship?
Csargo wagon too. Scummy wacky activity, a distraction.
huh?
My experiments suggest otherwise.
'McGinty' is much more lynchable.
And I'm not even going to talk about 'Badmeier'.
Oh, I don't actually know Badmeier.
Dear god I hope not... I do it all the time :(
Yeah...
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:24
You and Winston pseudo-pseudo going at each other.
Slaan, I don't think I've seen you outside of a mash -- did you play in a champs game on MU? Is this type of game (size/phase length/etc.) more your speed?
You and Winston pseudo-pseudo going at each other.
It's a blood feud that will not end while one of us still stands, or sits.
So yall know eachother? I've only really played with GH and Fred... at least those are the two I'd think to have a chance to figure out from meta. Some more from mashes (Cuth, manasi) but idk if I could read them based off those games.
Also wolfy question: How long does the day go? 48/24?
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:27
It's a blood feud that will not end while one of us still stands, or sits.
Yeah, I'm not standing for this.
First 2 are 72 I believe...
Slaan, I don't think I've seen you outside of a mash -- did you play in a champs game on MU? Is this type of game (size/phase length/etc.) more your speed?
Oh hell yea, found out mashres really arent my thing.. I feel that I need to read everything to get a grip on the game and the mashes... well rip :D. So yea I've played in a MU champ game (lolg11) as well as Nego's Wild West Game and Owners Orchestrated Chaos, both of which were won by me solo 100% no question :p
So yall know eachother? I've only really played with GH and Fred... at least those are the two I'd think to have a chance to figure out from meta. Some more from mashes (Cuth, manasi) but idk if I could read them based off those games.
Also wolfy question: How long does the day go? 48/24?
Yes we do. I'm Zack on MU, Zaccino on 2+2, if you've seen me in either of those places.
It's in the rules my dude.
First 2 are 72 I believe...
Ok ty. You are around MU as well arent you? I think I've seen your name before
First 2 are 72 I believe...
...
...
Vote: Csargo
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:29
Yeah, I'm not standing for this.
It's so noticeable I feel like you want us not to notice - especially later on.
It's in the rules my dude.
Litereally where. Post#1 of this thread doesnt have this info and Post#1 of the sign up thread doesnt have it as well ^^
Ok ty. You are around MU as well arent you? I think I've seen your name before
Yeah, I've played a few games and some turbos on MU. I don't think we've ever played together though, or at least not that I recall.
Oh hell yea, found out mashres really arent my thing.. I feel that I need to read everything to get a grip on the game and the mashes... well rip :D. So yea I've played in a MU champ game (lolg11) as well as Nego's Wild West Game and Owners Orchestrated Chaos, both of which were won by me solo 100% no question :p
Yeah, reading everything in a mash is a fool's errand. This will be more manageable on that end, lol.
Rules:
1. Do not discuss the game outside of the game thread and mod-designated channels.
2. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time. After you die you may post one BAH post which does not include any clues.
3. You may not post screenshots of or directly quote your role PM, mod communication, or any other game-related communication that originated outside of the game thread.
4. You are expected to behave civilly.
5. You may claim whatever you like. Roles and characters have been assigned randomly.
6. Days 1 and 2 will be 72 hours and nights will be 24. Should you reach majority before that the game will go into twilight until I am available to post a flip. You may communicate during that phase, unless you're the one who was eliminated. Days 3 and 4 will be 48 hours long, and beyond that the day phases will be 24 hours long.
7. You may communicate in the thread during the night phase.
8. There are no cults in this game.
Slaan
Yeah, reading everything in a mash is a fool's errand. This will be more manageable on that end, lol.
Hope so. Owners game was w/ 21 ppl and I managed so the 17 here should be fine. Then again I see you are a spammy one and we have manasi as well so... lets see how this goes
It's so noticeable I feel like you want us not to notice - especially later on.
Why do you jump to w/w distancing instead of two idiots clicking buttons?
Woa, dirty hidden spoiler ty :)
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:32
Why do you jump to w/w distancing instead of two idiots clicking buttons?
Clicking buttons?
:shrug:
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:34
It's so noticeable I feel like you want us not to notice - especially later on.
We wanted you to notice we'd made it so noticeable you wouldn't notice it - later on.
In other news, I taught my son to say 'Bleeeeeeeease'. :bow:
Clicking buttons?
:shrug:
nice non-answer
Vote: Csargo
Oh no! You've caught me, dam those ellipsis!
We wanted you to notice we'd made it so noticeable you wouldn't notice it - later on.
In other news, I taught my son to say 'Bleeeeeeeease'. :bow:
teach him to say "I peeked askthepizzaguy as a wolf gg"
Btw why doesnt this site have any good forum skins ;_;
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:35
We wanted you to notice we'd made it so noticeable you wouldn't notice it - later on.
In other news, I taught my son to say 'Bleeeeeeeease'. :bow:
So I'll check back on you two tomorrow.
See if I don't. Everyone, see if I don't.
Let's see who's paying attention.
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:36
Full disclosure: I stalked Slaan in the champs after we bonded over cIV in the chat thread. :shame:
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:36
nice non-answer
Something from past experience tells me it's a sound inference, but I'm not sure what that is.
And you didn't answer what you meant by "clicking buttons".
Btw why doesnt this site have any good forum skins ;_;
Morbid is pretty decent, and was specifically designed for the gameroom iirc
also don't let gh see that you said this
Oh cool that was you? But you have a different name on MU though then iirc?
Was a short stalk then... did you enjoy it? :D
Full disclosure: I stalked Slaan in the champs after we bonded over cIV in the chat thread. :shame:
one unit per tile encourages tactical play and thoughtful warfare
:laugh4:
Morbid is pretty decent, and was specifically designed for the gameroom iirc
also don't let gh see that you said this
It's also so bright >_>. Oh well, just've checked the forum skins before I signed up, my own fault :D
Something from past experience tells me it's a sound inference, but I'm not sure what that is.
And you didn't answer what you meant by "clicking buttons".
it means just that
not really giving much thought to the game, just clicking buttons
Oh cool that was you? But you have a different name on MU though then iirc?
Was a short stalk then... did you enjoy it? :D
he's McGinty on MU
one unit per tile encourages tactical play and thoughtful warfare
:laugh4:
I didnt learn from this shit and bought Civ 6 immediatly after release... barely played 3 hours so far. Civ4 best civ done and done.
Vote count:
Zack (1): Winston Hughes
Csargo (2): GH, Zack
Not voting (14): Csargo, Dp101, Pizza, Fredwood, El Barto, Montmorency, Cuthillius, Manasi, Slaan, Reinoe, Choxorn, Logic, Xiahou, Kagemusha
EOD1:
https://pending.me.uk/cd/bla_1507413600.png
I didnt learn from this shit and bought Civ 6 immediatly after release... barely played 3 hours so far. Civ4 best civ done and done.
civ 5 was pretty solid with both expansions I think
I expect 6 will be the same way, though I also foolishly bought it on release like you
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:44
Was a short stalk then... did you enjoy it? :D
First day was great. Much less fun without Sooh and you.
I recall no details, but retain an impression of you showing game.
First day was great. Much less fun without Sooh and you.
I recall no details, but retain an impression of you showing game.
Well I wouldnt say less fun. It was still lots of fun reading with Awa and Tigger imo ^^
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2017, 23:47
Ok class, today we're going to talk about your favorite Grandmaster. I'm sure you've all heard of him.
(It's me)
just checked that game. sooh was the top poster, a villager, and lynched d1. :laugh4:
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:48
Winston didn't hard-claim miller. Zack, what do you think this means?
Btw why doesnt this site have any good forum skins ;_;
TheGuild
Ok class, today we're going to talk about your favorite Grandmaster. I'm sure you've all heard of him.
(It's me)
albus dumbledore
Don't you dare submitting me to another championship!
Winston didn't hard-claim miller. Zack, what do you think this means?
TheGuild
he's a no-good mongrel and should be put down with the swift hammer of justice
maybe he's a neutral survivor
just checked that game. sooh was the top poster, a villager, and lynched d1. :laugh4:
It was frustrating... and I chickened to defend her cuz I didnt want more spotlight on myself so I'd survive the night... that worked out well.
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2017, 23:51
Well I wouldnt say less fun. It was still lots of fun reading with Awa and Tigger imo ^^
Terrible!
There's good and there's not good, and that's ^^^ not good.
Terrible!
There's good and there's not good, and that's ^^^ not good.
I didnt say it was good, I said it was fun. Like lol fun :)
Pizza -- how late you plan on staying up tonight?
Winston Hughes
10-04-2017, 23:53
vote: pizza
I'm obvscum at this point.
Put me out of my misery.
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2017, 23:54
I didnt say it was good, I said it was fun. Like lol fun :)
It reminded me of Kids Chess Camp. I was the arbiter of a tournament, and a kid raised his hand and said he was in stalemate. His king was in check by five pieces.
It was a little bit like that.
vote: pizza
I'm obvscum at this point.
Put me out of my misery.
working on it chief
It reminded me of Kids Chess Camp. I was the arbiter of a tournament, and a kid raised his hand and said he was in stalemate. His king was in check by five pieces.
It was a little bit like that.
Yep, sounds about right :)
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2017, 23:57
Pizza -- how late you plan on staying up tonight?
I get paid by the hour. You tell me.
Montmorency
10-04-2017, 23:57
working on it chief
Scummy, you're voting Csargo.
I get paid by the hour. You tell me.
I ... don't understand what you're implying here, or what the joke is if it's a joke
Scummy, you're voting Csargo.
pffft
the day is 72 hours
everyone knows that early wagons will disappear by eod
I have twenty spreadsheets and six unpaid interns crunching the numbers as we speak to determine the optimal time for me to re-introduce the winston case so it gets him lynched
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:00
I won the rand by the way. And not by a small amount. The computer says plus a thousand right now.
That seems terribly inefficient.
I just re-read pizza's posts and i don't think i have any idea what he's saying in any of them
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:02
I ... don't understand what you're implying here, or what the joke is if it's a joke
I can tell you're confused, but that's okay. You were confused when you walked in.
(I'm in character.)
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:04
Right Arjun?
did you switch accounts with el barto?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:08
did you switch accounts with el barto?
INCORRECT!
civ 5 was pretty solid with both expansions I think
I expect 6 will be the same way, though I also foolishly bought it on release like you
GalCiv 3 has been my jam lately. It's almost hard to go back to CIV 5 after that. But, it should also be 1UPT, in my opinion. And only maybe make an exception for fleets.
GalCiv 3 has been my jam lately. It's almost hard to go back to CIV 5 after that. But, it should also be 1UPT, in my opinion. And only maybe make an exception for fleets.
my problem with 1upt is that it makes the AI even more atrocious at warfare
I can effectively defend against a huge AI army with like, a couple archers
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:13
1upt = Very suspicious game design.
Civ4 best civ done and done. I cut my teeth on Civ2 Fantastic Worlds, and eventually came to the conclusion that Alpha Centauri is the best CIV game. Barely played 3, and 4 was missing disks when I bought it, so it is immediately disqualified.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:16
I just did Zack's ISO.
Forty posts, not even a hint of solving.
Making all nicey-nice with the main influencers.
Total manipulation.
Don't believe his lies.
I just did Zack's ISO.
Forty posts, not even a hint of solving.
Making all nicey-nice with the main influencers.
Total manipulation.
Don't believe his lies.
I'd be embarrassed if you found anything else.
my problem with 1upt is that it makes the AI even more atrocious at warfare
I can effectively defend against a huge AI army with like, a couple archers
If you have some spare dinero, give GalCiv3 a shot. It's probably similar enough to the other dogs that you will enjoy yourself. An added feature is the starship designer, whether you are feeling creative or just want the same ship with lasers instead of missles.
If you have some spare dinero, give GalCiv3 a shot. It's probably similar enough to the other CIVs that you will enjoy yourself. An added feature is the starship designer, whether you are feeling creative or just want the same ship with lasers instead of missles.
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Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:23
I'd be embarrassed if you found anything else.
You've bit off more than you can chew here.
This day ends with one of us dead.
It won't be me.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:28
I just did Zack's ISO.
Forty posts, not even a hint of solving.
Making all nicey-nice with the main influencers.
Total manipulation.
Don't believe his lies.
Solid!
This reminds me of Kiril Georgiev (your favorite Georgiev), who got the world record for most simultaneous chess games played. 360 games played at once over 14 hours. Man, if I did a 360 I'd be going in circles by the end.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:29
Force thunderdome between Winston and Zack. Get to it in a few days.
So, uh, how about that C&C:Generals?
You've bit off more than you can chew here.
This day ends with one of us dead.
It won't be me.
:duel:
Me when opening the thread: Oh crap, the game started 1.5 hrs ago, I need to catch up on all the vital discussion that's been happening!
I'm very disappointed in all of you. Also, hi everyone!
Me when opening the thread: Oh crap, the game started 1.5 hrs ago, I need to catch up on all the vital discussion that's been happening!
I'm very disappointed in all of you. Also, hi everyone!
did you actually expect anything else?
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:32
zack/pizza/gh
Plus monty if there's four.
did you actually expect anything else?
I actually kind of did.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:32
Solid!
This reminds me of Kiril Georgiev (your favorite Georgiev), who got the world record for most simultaneous chess games played. 360 games played at once over 14 hours. Man, if I did a 360 I'd be going in circles by the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FobA0-M8Y0
zack/pizza/gh
Plus monty if there's four.
S P I C Y
I actually kind of did.
have you ever read the first page of a mafia game before?
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:33
Me when opening the thread: Oh crap, the game started 1.5 hrs ago, I need to catch up on all the vital discussion that's been happening!
I'm very disappointed in all of you. Also, hi everyone!
Town.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:34
S P I C Y
Lock Town.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:34
You've bit off more than you can chew here.
This day ends with one of us dead.
Not necessarily.
A kid at my chess camp grabbed his queen and deliberately put the opponent's king in stalemate. He even said "stalemate" as he did it. He was really proud, he knew what stalemate was. This could end up like that.
have you ever read the first page of a mafia game before?
Yes, and I'll have you know that at the forum default, there are 5 pages thus far.
why aren't you being fun winston?
are you a wolf?
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:35
zack/pizza/gh
Plus monty if there's four.
Replace GH with Slaan and you've got the top posters. Interesting.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:35
zack/pizza/gh
Plus monty if there's four.
Very suspicious.
why aren't you being fun winston?
are you a wolf?
He was being plenty fun earlier.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:37
Very suspicious.
He was being plenty fun earlier.
The mood all changed.
He was being plenty fun earlier.
are you making a point, or correcting a technicality?
are you making a point, or correcting a technicality?
Bit of both. I think fun winston is probably town winston.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2017, 00:41
Vote: Slaan
Welcome to the .Org! ~:wave:
To the rest of you, I'm ashamed that it took you this long to properly baptize him.
Bit of both. I think fun winston is probably town winston.
Yeah, that's my point.
He either stopped or pretended to stop way earlier than I'd expect for him.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:44
why aren't you being fun winston?
I thought I was. :shame:
are you a wolf?
No, I'm just a little drunk and out of practice.
Ah, there's the problem. You should be a lot drunk.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:46
Ah, there's the problem. You should be a lot drunk.
Aye, but I'm out of practice at that too.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:47
Yeah, that's my point.
He either stopped or pretended to stop way earlier than I'd expect for him.
After this post, Zack is slightly better. Computer says +1.
Aye, but I'm out of practice at that too.
Just stay away from saying anything in a public discord server for MU or voice chat.
Trust me on that one.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:51
Way ahead of you on that.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:53
Dp101 - Lock Town
Slaan - Town
Logic - Null
Csargo - Null
Monty - Third Party
pizza - scum
GH - scum
Zack - lock scum
Pizza -- did you read the exhaustive post Monty made about your meta, I think it was in the xcom postgame? And if so, has that affected how you're approaching this game at all? Also, say something funny in Swedish.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:54
Pizza -- did you read the exhaustive post Monty made about your meta, I think it was in the xcom postgame? And if so, has that affected how you're approaching this game at all? Also, say something funny in Swedish.
INCORRECT!
I wrote all of that, for him.
Dp101 - Lock Town
Slaan - Town
Logic - Null
Csargo - Null
Monty - Third Party
pizza - scum
GH - scum
Zack - lock scum
are any of these serious?
INCORRECT!
I wrote all of that, for him.
wait, what
Montmorency is this true?
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 00:57
are any of these serious?
Serious? Vaguely.
Honest? Not entirely.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:57
Dp101 - Lock Town
Slaan - Town
Logic - Null
Csargo - Null
Monty - Third Party
pizza - scum
GH - scum
Zack - lock scum
Strong. Like Zack's usual basketball gif, but the opposite.
Very well.
wait, what
Montmorency is this true?
Sure. I kept the PM formatting, didn't I? I had the little question at the top of the exchange.
are any of these serious?
It's a brave post coming from scum.
Let's put it to the test. Vote: Zack
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 00:58
What kind of 3P am I, Winston?
Ultimate PIZZA Analysis for Justice
found it. I can post this in postgame, but here you go for now.
I haven't re-read this closely, it's a copy and paste, so if something doesn't make sense, ask me.
Start with this general pattern of how I approach the game.
Scum pizza:
Later stages of the game = more investment
Good chance of getting one more mislynch if I try hard = more investment
No realistic chance of being caught by cop, which is the single most frequent reason I ever lose a scum game = more investment
Odds I am forced to be the last wolf standing, because my buddies died = more investment
Odds we win the game or make it a nearly impossible final round to solve if I invest more this phase = more investment
Town is on a path to self-destruction this phase = less investment or less desire to change the situation, just keeping up appearances.
Size of game at game start = drastically less investment as scum, the bigger the game is. No way I want to trade myself for spewing a bunch of townies clear. Better to die and have my team be unknown. You can't help the folks that voted you early, but you can help preventing there being a bunch of additional townies cleared from your own actions.
Endgame = most critical for scum. Even 1 wolf can win the game if partners die early and it's not obvious who the partner is. But you need to have a good endgame regardless or you won by luck, and I don't aim for that.
So, those games will be middle-game/endgame heavy and early game light.
Specific exceptions can occur rarely. Otherwise this pattern works and I use it a lot. People are reading individual posts for scumminess rather than the overall approach I'm taking to the game anyway, and I can typically make my individual posts mimic my town game enough to fly. But the behavior is different and the approach is different, because I'm trying to achieve a much different aim.
I'm never approaching the game as: Be identical to my town game, because (a) I lynch, because I get lynched as town a lot (b) if I don't lynch I get murdered as town a lot, and therefore (c) I don't survive endgame situations as scum by mirroring my approach as town, it sticks out that I'm even alive. I have to make it look like I'm giving medium investment at most at the beginning. I am also specifically not playing for survival to endgame, but for a partner to win. I'm likely to lynch during play, it's just how I am, but I can set it up so that one or two of my partners have a fantastic endgame and town can't find them, if I can, that's my chosen and preferred method.
Some people play scum in such a way that they want to avoid being lynched as much as possible, I do not. I avoid being lynched to a point, and the point is when I've traded myself for enough townies (example in futurama, 7 townies is a good trade for 1 scummy pizza) or have made the overall team difficult to solve even if I do die. At that point, it's a good idea for me to be lynched, because that's another free round for my partners to skate through. And people don't know if my buddies bussed, protected, or had no opinion on me, because I try to average out those postures.
I approach it as: Survive day one, get as many mislynches as possible by pushing it myself or letting it happen, set up teammates for a good endgame, confuse people, derail discussion, make people focus on the wrong things, don't make the team obvious. Depending on who I'm playing against, that might mean playing in a way that would look like X and Y are my obvious buddies, but it can't be, because levels.
Town pizza:
First 3 phases of the game = most critical phases for town. Even day 1.
-You can die at any time, and several bad lynches puts town deep in a hole, especially if they did it to themselves and the scums walked away clean. You don't recover from that.
More people posting more substantively = more investment, because more I can analyze.
Size of game at game start = more investment in the game (to a limit, mashes plateau a bit because too much to read)
Sense that town is off to a bad start = more investment. (If I sense that town is doing very well, I worry a lot less. Otherwise I'm trying to right the ship)
If I am not being dogpiled = more investment because I can think clearly and I also think what I say will be considered.
Anytime mid-game to end-game = every round I am trying to completely solve the game as if it was the final round, with progressively better data.
I also almost never make it this far as town, so expect me to never ever phone it in.
Town games will be obvious that I'm town within those first 3 rounds, if you know how to read me at all, which people don't because paranoia plus aversion to pizza walls and mountains of individual posts.
If I get lynched in a game as town, it usually occurs before I can locate a scum or clear myself in any way. Some games the town is not in the mood to try to clear me and I'm not in the mood to try hard to clear myself. It's okay to be lynched once in a while, it's just a game.
When it's clear I'm going to be lynched as town I look for the wolves, because the townbloc shattered and no one is taking my opinions of who the townies are under any sort of consideration, so that's a bad investment of what little time I have. If I can find 1 scum and make suspicion go there convincingly, even if it's not enough to save me, it puts the idea into people's brains and gets them to not allow that person to skate through the game without any scrutiny. Since the only way my reads will be taken as genuine is with my head, and people aren't going to remember a big, complicated message, I have to focus it down to a solve or partial solve for scum only. Best guess for top scum, and push that as hard as possible, and hope it's right because town's already in bad shape at that point, and me being wrong and convincing people is not great. Still have to try.
If I'm a scum, depending on the game state, I can mimic this behavior because it's also useful in trying to get suspicion on someone else anyway. And it could be distancing or bussing so it's usually null.
There are a lot of possibilities I don't mention because I already go into too much detail about my thoughts that I'm confident on. In that situation I had the Jowy wagon as all townie or dp, and dp actually looked better after jowy flipped town. If he was scum that vote should have been more automatic, imo. Plus he had been under the gun d1 and I wanted to give him a day, and I think that was a good decision. I stand by it. Turned out to be the good choice, too. Our day 2 was very productive and it busted the game open.
I feel like... your instincts about me are often backwards, but not always. I'm just odd to you and vice-versa. Which will always make me difficult for you to read, and I cop to you being difficult for me to read.
This meta may help, but it won't help you in a situation where I don't produce as much on day one because that day one was mostly absentee townies and lack of content. There were a lot of engaged townies this time.
I feel like you need a good three days to have a shot at reading me. Before that, I haven't gotten into my groove and my reads are bad, I need data to do good analyses. After that, it's too late if I'm scum.
Evaluate me late on day 3. Lynch me day 3 if I've failed to look townie.
I should be pure by day 3, like dp101. And like him, if I don't get enough space to do my thing, I never find anyone, and never get clear, and I can look scummy to people if I'm even a little off. And I have range, so even town games won't be identical.
It's okay to be wrong, but I'm a d3 read, not a good d1 read.
I mean, if I under-perform to the point I look like the last 3 scum games, mark me down as wolfy as hell and let people know. Or if you otherwise get such a read, let people know. But since I will rand town more often than scum, and you get better read on my slot by day 3's efforts from me, you'd be able to find me townie when I'm town more often just before mid-game.
My d1s as town, even when they're townie, tend to suck. That's why my reads re-evaluate so much. But even based on that little bit, novice dropped all d1 for me and Manasi dropped by n1, and I found some townies. That's a good day 1 for me.
Even if no scums found, more townies found than the mafia can kill per night, is a solve. That's what I can reasonably aim for. And then I re-evaluate the townies that don't belong in my town, like Manasi.
That's my whole process, when I'm serious and my town is serious, in a game this size.
I'd play it about the same as a town power role, I feel my reads are more important than my power, unless I'm the cop or the vig. And even then, I want to have excellent reads, because it really helps those roles perform well.
...
Strong. Like Zack's usual basketball gif, but the opposite.
Very well.
Sure. I kept the PM formatting, didn't I? I had the little question at the top of the exchange.
It's a brave post coming from scum.
Let's put it to the test. Vote: Zack
boo this post
why is that brave, he even admitted it's not entirely serious or honest
this is really low-effort for you monty
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 00:59
Dp101 - Lock Town
Slaan - Town
Logic - Null
Csargo - Null
Monty - Third Party
pizza - scum
GH - scum
Zack - lock scum
This is a legal chess leans list.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:00
I'm sorry, the way I presented that makes it seem like I wrote it. This was my question to which Pizza wrote that response:
Pizza, there was a thing N1 where you wanted to explain post-game why/how you were so towny, or why that evaluation should apply to the output we were seeing. Would still like to hear; it can also wait until true post-game if you like.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:01
boo this post
why is that brave, he even admitted it's not entirely serious or honest
this is really low-effort for you monty
That sounds like you're relying on his post-hoc self-deprecation. Taken alone at the time of its posting, it was the first proper reads post taking some stands.
Sense that town is off to a bad start = more investment. (If I sense that town is doing very well, I worry a lot less. Otherwise I'm trying to right the ship)
do you think we're off to a good start?
boo this post
why is that brave, he even admitted it's not entirely serious or honest
this is really low-effort for you monty
I have a similar overall opinion of the post, but a completely different route to get there. I find the tone throughout really superficial and fake, feels like he's trying too hard to be casual.
Vote: Slaan
Welcome to the .Org! ~:wave:
To the rest of you, I'm ashamed that it took you this long to properly baptize him.
If thats hiw you welcome newcomers, I guess I'm thankful that for my first game here you were unable to vote for me.
That sounds like you're relying on his post-hoc self-deprecation. Taken alone at the time of its posting, it was the first proper reads post taking some stands.
so?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:03
That sounds like you're relying on his post-hoc self-deprecation. Taken alone at the time of its posting, it was the first proper reads post taking some stands.
It was more like Magnus Carlsen answering the King Pawn Opening with 1....Nf6, and then following it up with 2....Ng8 when white pushes to e5.
If thats hiw you welcome newcomers, I guess I'm thankful that for my first game here you were unable to vote for me.
if that's how we welcome newcomers, apparently i've been a newcomer for over seven years
It was more like Magnus Carlsen answering the King Pawn Opening with 1....Nf6, and then following it up with 2....Ng8 when white pushes to e5.
If you could include a translation so I know what you mean
yeah
It was more like Magnus Carlsen answering the King Pawn Opening with 1....Nf6, and then following it up with 2....Ng8 when white pushes to e5.
Chess references are all well and good, but I don't really get them, so if there is an actual point within this post, could you spell it out for me? Thanks.
DP and I operating on the same wavelength.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:06
Didn't you guys read the script I gave you? Terrible.
smh.
Also, Logic struggling already, sloppy opening moves. Very suspicious.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:07
I have a similar overall opinion of the post, but a completely different route to get there. I find the tone throughout really superficial and fake, feels like he's trying too hard to be casual.
Yes. It's the incomplete sentences.
DP and I operating on the same wavelength.
Buddying.
Didn't you guys read the script I gave you? Terrible.
smh.
Also, Logic struggling already, sloppy opening moves. Very suspicious.
You dislike 1upt that much?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:08
Chess references are all well and good, but I don't really get them, so if there is an actual point within this post, could you spell it out for me? Thanks.
That's just the world champion being very cheeky by first developing and then undeveloping his knight, giving his opponent 2 unanswered moves. You don't do that if you're being serious.
Yes. It's the incomplete sentences.
Buddying.
More like, confirmation bias.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 01:08
What kind of 3P am I, Winston?
Not aggressive enough for something weak like survivor.
Almost too aggressive for full SK, but not quite.
Not aggressive enough for something weak like survivor.
Almost too aggressive for full SK, but not quite.
man I wish I was sk with bulletproof and investigation-immune
that's literally my dream role to rand in a game
it won't ever happen
Not aggressive enough for something weak like survivor.
Almost too aggressive for full SK, but not quite.
How do you think being an SK affects someone's level of aggression?
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:10
More like, confirmation bias.
:confused:
Not aggressive enough for something weak like survivor.
Almost too aggressive for full SK, but not quite.
It's just aggression that counts in determining 3P? Or are you speaking to my meta?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:11
OOC
this is the game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBHheZthvPg) I am referring to.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:11
DP and I operating on the same wavelength.
DP and I operating on the same wavelength.
:stare:
at some point this stops being cute, csargo
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:15
Vote:Zack
Hey, I'm the only shouty chess guy here.
If you're gonna do this, I'll need royalties.
Hey, I'm the only shouty chess guy here.
If you're gonna do this, I'll need royalties.
Sooh didn't count my vote, I thought maybe she couldn't see it. Problem solved.
Winston Hughes
10-05-2017, 01:16
How do you think being an SK affects someone's level of aggression?
Depends who it is.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:17
I'll accept Perrier as payment, but I wouldn't say no to some fine gold. Solid!
at some point this stops being cute, csargo
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you'll be fine. Chin up m8.
Vote count:
Pizza (1): Winston Hughes
Csargo (1): Zack
Slaan (1): GH
Zack (2): Montmorency, Csargo
Not voting (12): Dp101, Pizza, Fredwood, El Barto, Cuthillius, Manasi, Slaan, Reinoe, Choxorn, Logic, Xiahou, Kagemusha
EOD1:
https://pending.me.uk/cd/bla_1507413600.png
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:23
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you'll be fine. Chin up m8.
Chin to m8 is not a legal move.
Didn't you guys read the script I gave you? Terrible.
smh.
Also, Logic struggling already, sloppy opening moves. Very suspicious.
I admit, I am bad at chess. Maybe mafia too. Not sure what you see that looks suspicious in the 5 (guessing) posts I've made.
Chin to m8 is not a legal move.
Who died and made you judge eh?
Who died and made you judge eh?
Well, he does have experience in the job.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:34
I admit, I am bad at chess. Maybe mafia too. Not sure what you see that looks suspicious in the 5 (guessing) posts I've made.
If I were to put it to a vote, I wonder what the results would be.
1) Logic should be checkmated
2) Logic should deliver checkmate
3) Pat Buchanan
Be careful, I hear option number 3 got unusually popular that one time.
Maybe chads aren't the only thing that should be hanging.
Check!
Vote: Logic
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:39
pat buchanan imo
Seems a little iffy to me.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:41
Pat. Buchanan. IMO.
Pat him? I don't even know him.
Also my wife would object, for many reasons. I can't even count all the reasons. To say I'd be down a piece is putting it mildly, I'd be permanently down a piece, know what I'm sayin?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:45
You! With some crazy comment:
I'm very lost.
Correct!
You! With some crazy comment:
Correct!
Somehow I'm even more confused.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:48
Hint: Vote for Logic. It's the first move in a 3 or 4 move checkmate, don't know which. I didn't check it with a computer and I'm old.
Chin to m8 is not a legal move.
sup visor
Hint: Vote for Logic. It's the first move in a 3 or 4 move checkmate, don't know which. I didn't check it with a computer and I'm old.
You do realise that in your meta analysis of yourself, you said that in your scum game, you avoid doing much early, right? Because this continued cavorting around without purpose or analysis definitely looks to me like not doing that much.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:52
You do realise that in your meta analysis of yourself, you said that in your scum game, you avoid doing much early, right? Because this continued cavorting around without purpose or analysis definitely looks to me like not doing that much.
INCORRECT!
So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.
INCORRECT!
So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.
Doing work and wrapping it in so many jokes and references that it's impossible to read is very hard to distinguish from pretending to do work. I'll try to read your logic post again to see if it makes sense, but I know for sure that I didn't get it my first time through.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 01:56
INCORRECT!
So far I've done among the most work out of anyone. Plus, the moves are good. It's better to make good moves than a bunch of bad ones like Monty.
:C
Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?
If I were to put it to a vote, I wonder what the results would be.
1) Logic should be checkmated
2) Logic should deliver checkmate
3) Pat Buchanan
Be careful, I hear option number 3 got unusually popular that one time.
Maybe chads aren't the only thing that should be hanging.
Check!
Vote: Logic
Option 3 is the least desirable choice.
Not ready to attempt option 2 yet, no reads.
I can live with option 1. I'll just be sad I didn't get to play long.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:58
:C
@Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100589), what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?
I don't mean it. You're my Ken West this game.
Also I've been consistantly running into the 20 second min time between posts and wandering off to do something else in the meantime, I think I've played too much on MU and have become corrupted.
So far I've done among the most work out of anyone.
https://i.imgur.com/Lsjn3Gu.gif
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 01:59
Option 3 is the least desirable choice.
Not ready to attempt option 2 yet, no reads.
I can live with option 1. I'll just be sad I didn't get to play long.
INCORRECT!
You can't live with option 1. Bam!
:C
Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?
I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if am am more or less so than Dp.
vote: dp
Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.
Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.
*almost starting to think of calling you on it and calling it a reaction test.
S P I C Y
Why do you keep saying that?
INCORRECT!
You can't live with option 1. Bam!
Touché. I see you use my turn of a phrase against me!
I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if I am more or less so than Dp.EDIT
Why do you keep saying that?
I said it a whole bunch as a wolf in a game on MU that Zack just ran, and I wanted to see how many times I could do it before I could get a reaction out of him/debated with myself if him not giving any kind of reaction was a wolf tell.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2017, 02:04
Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.
Everyone else is either null or confusing.
Finally, I was almost starting to call you on it and call it a reaction test.
sorry, I was watching trump stress me out by roping every damn turn playing razakus priest then not being able to finish because he waited too long
wait I thought you only said spicy just that once
I looked at your iso and ctrl+f, didn't see it
Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.
Everyone else is either null or confusing.
What do you look for to identify me as a wolf?
asking for afriend
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 02:09
Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.
Everyone else is either null or confusing.
The computer agrees with your analysis.
Solid!
wait I thought you only said spicy just that once
I looked at your iso and ctrl+f, didn't see it
I did it twice.
S P I C Y
oh here it is
I .... somehow missed this?
Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.
Everyone else is either null or confusing.
Man, if I ever develop a stronger, more confident town game, I'm going to need to be prepared for endless mislynches as a result.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 02:10
Wait, so DP, that "reaction test" was independent of Zack's actions this game? I don't understand. And why does it make him townier if he's voting you now?
The computer agrees with your analysis.
Solid!
eww
whatever happened to, "I can't read zack, not gonna try"
now you're handing me town points, and agreeing with someone who's saying positive things about me
are you a wolf trying to be slick?
Hey peeps.
VOTE: LOGIC
hey
do i know you / is this an alt / where are you from / gh is about to vote you
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 02:11
Hey peeps.
VOTE: LOGIC
Bam!
Reinoe gonna look good when Logic flips, if he keeps his vote on him and doesn't let go of the piece.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2017, 02:12
What do you look for to identify me as a wolf?
asking for afriend
I actually remember you asking me this back in... Representative Democracy, I want to say, when I townread you there and were unsatisfied with my answer. It's kind of the same, mostly, just tone and stuff.
IIRC you were scum in that game but I feel like you wouldn't ask me the same question twice as mafia, so.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2017, 02:12
eww
whatever happened to, "I can't read zack, not gonna try"
now you're handing me town points, and agreeing with someone who's saying positive things about me
are you a wolf trying to be slick?
INCORRECT!
You're more readable than most of the game atp. I only have like 3 names with any reads at all.
Wait, so DP, that "reaction test" was independent of Zack's actions this game? I don't understand. And why does it make him townier if he's voting you now?
in a recent wolf game of his on MU, he kept saying "spicy" in a weird way, and I noted that in dvc (graveyard chat) as something I thought was weird for him
He's saying it now to see how I react to it, I guess
Wait, so DP, that "reaction test" was independent of Zack's actions this game? I don't understand. And why does it make him townier if he's voting you now?
I said I considered making a read based on it, but now I think it's best to call the whole thing NAI.
Bam!
Reinoe gonna look good when Logic flips, if he keeps his vote on him and doesn't let go of the piece.
Quick, what does the pizza mega-analysis say about unfathomable certainty 3 hours into D1?
I actually remember you asking me this back in... Representative Democracy, I want to say, when I townread you there and were unsatisfied with my answer. It's kind of the same, mostly, just tone and stuff.
IIRC you were scum in that game but I feel like you wouldn't ask me the same question twice as mafia, so.
nah I ask it as a wolf all the time
people generally will think "wow, he's questioning a townread on him, that's so towny"
and so by "questioning" their positive view of me, I'm actually subtly reinforcing it
the more you know
also that's such a lissa answer, gh
"Why do you have this read?"
"uuuuuhhh ... tone?"
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 02:14
in a recent wolf game of his on MU, he kept saying "spicy" in a weird way, and I noted that in dvc (graveyard chat) as something I thought was weird for him
He's saying it now to see how I react to it, I guess
But what does that mean in this game? Does it have any connection to Zack-DP interactions this game if it's a townie look for you to vote him in response?
INCORRECT!
You're more readable than most of the game atp. I only have like 3 names with any reads at all.
Vote: Pizza
sometimes people think they can feed my ego by calling me town
they are fools
But what does that mean in this game? Does it have any connection to Zack-DP interactions this game if it's a townie look for you to vote him in response?
Again, I didn't townread him for it, I was considering scumreading him if he seemed awkward in joking around with me, but then I decided that that was a silly idea.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2017, 02:16
also that's such a lissa answer, gh
"Why do you have this read?"
"uuuuuhhh ... tone?"
I think the world of Lissa, so thanks for the compliment. :yes:
Also I'm giving you a disgusting townpoint for your above "nah I ask it as a wolf all the time" response.
But what does that mean in this game? Does it have any connection to Zack-DP interactions this game if it's a townie look for you to vote him in response?
well
I think it means dp is a villager
the way he is making reads and doing stuff like that reaction test (even though it's silly)
yeah
I think the world of Lissa, so thanks for the compliment. :yes:
Also I'm giving you a disgusting townpoint for your above "nah I ask it as a wolf all the time" response.
And that's why I will keep doing it as a wolf.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 02:17
Again, I didn't townread him for it, I was considering scumreading him if he seemed awkward in joking around with me, but then I decided that that was a silly idea.
Ok. So what does it mean that he voted you after displaying subtle ambivalence on your alignment, just for a meta-reference?
Vote: Pizza
sometimes people think they can feed my ego by calling me town
they are fools
Ok, Zack is town, locking it in.
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 02:18
well
I think it means dp is a villager
the way he is making reads and doing stuff like that reaction test (even though it's silly)
yeah
Gah
nvm
Ok. So what does it mean that he voted you after displaying subtle ambivalence on your alignment, just for a meta-reference?
It means that he's joking and relaxed, which is something I should have already figured out from how he was posting previously, so all in all, it means nothing. How long are you going to ask me questions about this half joke-half reaction test?
Montmorency
10-05-2017, 02:19
Ok, Zack is town, locking it in.
In the group of actives so far someone must be WIFOMing.
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