Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Montmorency]

Ayyy, so I was right that dyachei was posting just like in Visor's 2019 game.


Three Tiers of Kill
SPK: Zelda/Visor
Mechanic: Eph/Esooa
Town Consensus: Hally/Ara

Wagonomics (D1)
No more than 1 scum on Dyachei (up to 1 of Visor or Manasi)
1-3 scum on Csargo (1-3 of Ara, Hally, GH, CL, Maple)
Corollary (Rask wagon): 0-2 of Zelda, Cuth, Dolby/Logic

Wagonomics (D2)
1-3 scum on dyachei
0-2 scum off-wagon



I'm gonna say Eph/Esooa cleared until LYLO based on D1 and D2 votes. (Note right after Manasi punched dya into a bandwagon behind Csargo, she voted to start an esooa wagon based on esooa forgetting reasons for voting, pursuing the case even into D2. And D1 eph said "between csargo/dya/raskol I personally prefer dya as a wagon.")



I'm not going to care about Ara/Hally for a couple days by default.

Without getting to Manti/Maple himself, was dya voting Maple alongside Maple spew or antispew?

Cuth needs to answer to me for what has to count as the worst instance of a fabricated case all game.

Manasi is LHF, had good position on D1 dyachei wagon.

If GH scum, Visor arguably lock-cleared, or until LYLO. As town, neither Zelda nor Visor should survive to LYLO, so maybe that's self-resolving. Let Logic deliver Dolbert's report.


Sure, GH looks bad, but I like the cut of his jib better than CL's. Let's recall that mechanically-speaking CL was the one who most proximately saved Dyach D1. GH first broke the 5-5-4 equilibrium, but CL voted Rask from Csargo at EOD-2min, seemingly (creating the impression of) rebalancing wagons, then switched back to Csargo 1 minute later, rebreaking the tie with dyachei. GH's reasoned stance is only on par with Maple's chaotic overvote (7th vote on Csargo). Actually better, since Maple could simply have missed CL's tiebreaker from seconds earlier.

(A D1 observation of GH is that he helped (re)start the Rask wagon alongside Zelda and Cuth at a time when Csargo and dyach were tied 4-4. So they're all probably exclusive as scum, because why would the entire scum team try to wagon a new alternative to their partner when their partner is already tied with a townie? Also, does dyachei join GH on Eph for a spell if paired?)



My eyes on CL, Maple, and Cuth today.

[Montmorency]

^^^ What I had ready before I saw the flip

I actually hoped Visor would be poisoner, but OK

Vote: CL

For example, in #1200 at SOD2 dya, examining Sunbae's legacy, reported his towncore as: Zelda, Ara, CL (and maybe GH). Dya remarked that she would take his word on Zelda and was already feeling good about Ara and GH. It's noteworthy that she laundered a townread of CL through a dead townie, a classic triplet, but didn't express/echo it for her own part. You know, like 'GOAT slain Sunbae is all about that CL-town... and I feel good about the other stuff he said.' Also, both CL and dya spent an inordinate amount of time D2 talking to/about dying Rask.

In 1716, CL drops a questionable case for why neither dya and GH should be candidates


another reason we *Maybe* shouldnt eliminate into gh/dya

between them and rasko there is probably 2 wolves max.

That means outside of them there are 2-3 wolves.

This way, whoever is a villa in gh/dya(and maybe even both) can work with everyone and try to hang some woofers.

At EOD, I appreciated CL's legacy post but it turns out he contradicted it badly with his leans seconds later


Legacy read:

regardless of dya alignment don't kill GH

if dya wolf you can kill cuth though

esooa prob not with dya if dya wolf

GH/montecorenot probably not together.

ephemeral dropped off today but i liked the things he said. make him not drop off as much

poison dobby


hally
pzelda
ara

visor
ephemeral

manti
manasi
GH
cuth

monty
dolby
esooa
dya

[ColonelLubriderm]

how would you depict two people you think could be wolves, but not with each other?

[ColonelLubriderm]

0
hally
pzelda
ara

1-2
visor
ephemeral
cuth
manti
manasi

1-2
GH
monty
dolby

1
esooa
dya

perhaps with a list like this

[Arapocalypse]

looking forward to your takes @Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100589)
@Arapocalypse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101721)

https://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif
:hmg:

What are your takes/where do you want to go today?

[Montmorency]

GeneralHankerchief

Glad I found ya for once, buddy.


this is why i think the visor vote is weird. he can be a wolf but i wouldnt kill him before someone not on dya today.

probably someone on csargo

like me

:creep:


Currently ISOing Dya.
Answers are probably in there.
Logic

I've already worked out some notes of D2, posting shortly, so please focus on D1.


Off a glance, Dya seems obsessed with talking to Maple and Hally.

Gut says she's trying to pocket one or both.

More likely Hally.


how would you depict two people you think could be wolves, but not with each other?

Hmm. Maybe what threw me is that you didn't maintain your unique team analysis format. Scratch that point for now.

What do you think of Maple and Cuth? If you're town and there are 1-3 scum (won't accept fewer than 1), who are they? Challenge: exclude me.

[Montmorency]

More on dya-CL/bop in 1213, 1216, 1236, 1245, 1286, 1290.


DAY 1 STUFF
TBD

DAY 2 STUFF


1301, 1303, 1305 Zelda-dya (from town mech to scumread)
1348 dya-dolby via essoa
1352/1362 GH distancing?
1355 dya response ^ mild shade of Hally. 1358 and 60 continue.
1367 good hally post about dya TMI on her
1368 dya scumlean esooa
1374 cuth asks hally what if dya town
1381 eph asks dya about maple visor and gh
1386 dya says Maple isn't memeing enough but has been on topic (eph and Zelda like the post)
1388 dya arguing against GH scum (Eph calls this WIFOM, asks about Manti's EOD1)
1395 dya says Manasi two posts ontopic is decent look
1396 dya asks Visor why Dolby called town so early

1410 dya: "visor's probably town and i can't really tell you why. I expect him to push me here because of my activity levels and i don't think he's only focusing on that for his reads just feels organic" (Zelda thinks it's a selfcentric meh take, makes Visor look worse? see 1419-20)
1422 Zelda reads, likes dya's shade of Maple
1426 dya cases Maple and votes him
1427 dya weird answer to zelda about scum-visor
1431 eph gamestate comments
1436 Manasi doesn't like dya or esooa push
1460 to above??? dya thought Manasi was esooa
1471 dya asks Hally thoughts on Maple; Hally doesn't know how to read him, so just POE unspec
1472 Hally has GH-dya linked m/t or m/m
1481 Cuth post on GH/dya
1486 Cuth asked Hally about dya-T but here esooa responds with Eph and Maple (also independently) as candidates
1498 Manasi asks Hally if agree that dya scum, Hally responds that dya esooa read bad but Maple read good

1505 Esooa cases dya for Maple
1511 dya likes Cuth's take on thread state
1515 Esooa asks Cuth what posts from dya were towny (Cuth says sthg abt emotions/interactions)
1518 Esooa points out that resolving dya before GH always makes sense (but votes Monty for wagonomics)
1528 Cuth to Hally about dya/GH dynamics
1531/1538 Cuth shades Monty/CL about something or other in posure toward dya
1542 GH denies to Cuth that he strongly TRed dya at SOD
1570 Ara EOD1 reads list: mildly dislikes dya on eph, thoughts on EOD1 were "liked Dolby/Ephemeral/maybe GH, Manasi fence but slightest town, Maple fence, dya/Visor fence but slight mafia!!"
1571 CL thinks anyone who investigates GH/dya t/t world is scummy
1572 CL suggests evaluating people who focus on GH/dya
1573 CL asks Hally why she's wavering on GH and dya as scum
1574 Ara SOD2 reads list: dya on Rask feels weird; Hally/dya not m/m, nor GH/dya; dya too focused on self-defense; Esooa slightly townier in Esooa/dya interaction
1577 CL shades Cuth over Cuth's #1481: "If there is a wolf in dya/gh and montecorenot is a villa there is nothing that will drag me away from the fiery he’ll tunnel that I will have on cuth."
1576-81 Eph-Visor interaction: Visor has no thoughts on dya
1582 CL's team analysis
1584-5 Ara more reads: dislikes dya's 1355 one-liner on Hally, questions GH/dya again (CL thinks it's possible)
1587 Ara asks Zelda about his transition from liking dya's SOD2 entrance to suspecting her (see #1301-5)
1592 Ara doesn't see GH/dya pairing because of GH's blatancy (countered by CL in #1601, see further Ara 1612)

1608 Visor's team is dya/GH/dolby/esooa
1613 Eph thinks GH/dya could be paired but m/t is possible too
1619 Zelda D1 VA finds dya best D2 candidate, D1 dya wagon very likely pure
1627-34 Zelda wants no cred for Visor for D1 dya vote being second on wagon, likes Esooa for putting dya in lead D1, and dya looking worse and worse, GH and Monty D1 votes look bad
1636: Zelda reads: "Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya."
1641-2 Visor protests that he has pushed dya and people shouldn't align him with dya
1645-6 Ara responds to Zelda and Visor above (see also next interactions through #1658)
1663 Esooa not talking much because dya and Maple doing basically nothing
1665/7 Esooa criticizes Visor for defensiveness and for claiming to much cred for dya push
1669 Maple: "I'm not sure how to talk about my feelings toward dya without coming off like a dick lol Theyre almost certainly dying today so I'm not particularly fussed"
1684 Maple: "Amy and dya flipping would say more than I ever could"
1685 dya asks eph about maple meta when eph is finding maple more towny
1688 dya responds to maple regret for choosing Csargo over dya D1, defends own D2 activity/WIM
1697 Cuth thinks CL usually scum in GH/dya t/t world (see also next few posts)
1698 GH wavers over choosing between Dolby and dya, even though dya probably best

1706 CL again recommends ousting outside GH/dya D2 (dya responds approvingly, which CL acknowledges)
1735 CL asks dya about why Manasi D1 good (dya response in #1752
1742 Cuth: "i gth gh/dya both v at this point but it's a low confidence thing and that's a lot of why i don't like monty's posts today"
1746 Zelda votes Monty as ideal CW to dya
1747 Cuth on tilting CL/Monty over dya, see also surrounding context (Tell me this isn't great equity between Cuth and CL)
1751 CL thread reread changes mind on ousting outside GH/dya
1753-4 dya urges CL to kill her in order to torment GH, whom she has as likely town
1757 CL agrees with dya on GH town, follows up by voting her
1759/67 GH finds dya's post on making him suffer the towniest of the day (he later changes his mind), sarcastically expresses willingness to stay on Dolby
1760/66 CL team analysis again, but now Visor more suss, GH less, and Esooa made exclusive with dya ("1 MAX")
1761 Eph no longer feels like dya is a hit (Ara asks about it)
1779 Zelda: "Is the thread dead because of time or because wolves are happy with its state? Rask, Monty, Dya all town would be a disaster."
1788 Visor: "im fine killing dya or esooa (i guess gh too?)"

1807 GH points out CL called for D1 wagons of Csargo-dya-Rask
1814 As Dya wagon finally begins to run away at EOD CL drops his founding vote on the wagon anhd switches for 20 minutes onto the Dolby wagon, where Eph and GH are voting, switching back when it's obvious there's no traction
1818 Hally explains reasons for voting dya, reps Esooa if dya scum (Visor likes the post)
1820 Zelda unsure about voting dya over spicy wagon
1847 Eph posts that dya being town doesn't make GH town (Visor likes the post)
1874 CL's legacy post is good, but 1898 leans contradict it
1897 Visor: "i am a little worried that sunbae was killed to either lock in a dya v read or to no longer protect dya"

1901 Hally top town are ara, eph, visor and capage bop probably fine too and esooa should be clear if dya is a wolf
1905 CL thinks GH-dya not necessarily paired, has said it before?
1915 Ara last-minute switch from Dya to Visor for messaging/legacy

[Arapocalypse]

I'm pretty shrug about the Bop posts about 1716? Like... yeah it was a light defense, but also it was fairly obvious that dya was going down yesterday regardless of what happened/they were never digging themselves out of that hole; I'm not putting that much stock into a lot of interactions with them yesterday, mostly just for day 1!!

Pretty much only ones I'm giving credit for are Ephemeral and Esooa, but that was also continued from day 1, so... yeah!

Also yes, I said earlier not to clear Bop for day 1; that doesn't mean I'm not lightly townreading him, just that he should not be cleared for not w/w associations!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Point being that yes, the wagon on them only appeared at EoD, but from threadfeels it was consensus and people were wagoning elsewhere more to make points, than not!!

Fairly certain I referenced this ~halfway through the day, when talking to Visor after getting back into stuff!!!

[Montmorency]

I don't get why so few people have recognized how dangerous Maple is with his spam and obscurantism sprinkled with serious posts. Maple could be partners with practically anyone here, and I think that's likely consciously maneuvered.

[Arapocalypse]

Vote: Montmorency

In a :smg:mood, will be around later!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

GeneralHankerchief

Glad I found ya for once, buddy.



:creep:


Logic

I've already worked out some notes of D2, posting shortly, so please focus on D1.



More likely Hally.



Hmm. Maybe what threw me is that you didn't maintain your unique team analysis format. Scratch that point for now.

What do you think of Maple and Cuth? If you're town and there are 1-3 scum (won't accept fewer than 1), who are they? Challenge: exclude me.

cuth dolby one in visor/ara/maple

[ColonelLubriderm]

everyone else:
dont clear bop

me:
kill me follow my legacy

[Arapocalypse]

I don't get why so few people have recognized how dangerous Maple is with his spam and obscurantism sprinkled with serious posts. Maple could be partners with practically anyone here, and I think that's likely consciously maneuvered.
Hey Montmorency!!!

I do want to engage with you and stuff, and having been reading your posts; do you actively think Maple is mafia here, then? Why do you think dya was trying to pocket Hally and not Maple?

What do you think GH flipping town means, in general?

[Arapocalypse]

Looking forward to Logic contributions today, should be hype!!!

Can't believe he managed to finagle having his very own emote!!!!!


:logic:

[ColonelLubriderm]

i just did the math and numbers and i no longer advocate killing me and follow my legacy, i think it'll get screwed up

[Montmorency]

Hey Montmorency!!!

I do want to engage with you and stuff, and having been reading your posts; do you actively think Maple is mafia here, then? Why do you think dya was trying to pocket Hally and not Maple?

What do you think GH flipping town means, in general?

Because I doubt Maple is town, whereas I townlean Hally, logically scum-dya couldn't have been pocketing Maple, if dya was pocketing at all. Dya cased and voted Maple early in the day (see my notes), which doesn't comport with pocketing anyway. We know that wasn't a serious push, and could easily be anti-spew btw.

I think I might not budge from my overall POE under most circumstances. My approach as dictator would be to resolve:

CL/Maple
Cuth/Logic
at LYLO see who's left out of Ara/Hally/Visor/Manasi and standoff

Assuming a mafia kill gets blocked or vig dies/fails or whatever, we have exactly the number of rounds needed to brute force (worst case).


GH town looks somewhat bad for Visor, who gets held to a higher standard for making multiple strong* pushes** on townies given his record, but not bad enough to move him in POE.

I'm ambivalent about Hally and Ara attitudes on GH. Hally on GH and Dya D2, overall, could go either way in terms of genuine activity or distancing, but since she's one of the relatively townier players I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and call it null at worst.

Ara was one of the only people (only?) to ardently discount the GH/dya team scenario, which could be an honest insight or PIS. I'll also give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

Like I said, Ara/Hally/Visor come very late in POE pending drastic changes or a major new discovery in the archive.

(Actually, Zelda getting killed and Visor just-asking-questions over it, when Zelda was the main player on his case D2, is kinda suss, but I'm sticking to my POE.)


*Like I noted previously, they weren't very strong, and Visor's efforts have been more domino-tipping than the kind of pushing more often associated with him IMO
**He was kind of defensive against Ara and Zelda (!) for not crediting him much on D1 dya push - and I haven't reread D1 like I have D2 mind you - but mechanically he does deserve some credit for how he treated dya slot D1 and early D2

[Maple]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

[Montmorency]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

Yeah, go off Monty. I've worked a lot on this game today, so this much is enough for now.



Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby/Logic)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)



Wagonomics (D1)
No more than 1 scum on Dyachei (up to 1 of Visor or Manasi)
1-3 scum on Csargo (1-3 of Ara, Hally, GH, CL, Maple)
Corollary (Rask wagon): 0-2 of Zelda, Cuth, Dolby/Logic

Come to think of it, Dolby may have been having problems, but what a potato scum team if Cuth and Dolby both on Rask and no partners on Csargo. Cuth and Dolby/Logic not paired if either Visor or Manasi scum.

Put me as a counterwagon if you must, but I don't understand how D3 could possibly end outside Csargo wagon voters. We have the information.

[Montmorency]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

Make sure you finish me today, or I might shoot my shot tomorrow!

[Maple]

Make sure you finish me today, or I might shoot my shot tomorrow!

Is that a hardclaim?

[Esooa]

vote: maple

[Esooa]

very interested in why Visor and Manti both wanted me dead EoD while both wanting Dya dead too, yet on a dya scum flip they neglect to continue scum reading me. Never really saw any real reasons as to why they scum read me except fairly weak reasons given day 1, and Visor even included me with Dya at a point but didn't comment at all on what changed for him post-flip

feels to me like he's just decided to drop a fruitless push

[Esooa]

if Manti and Visor can explain their read on me throughout the game that'd be good

[Maple]

I did.

[Esooa]

ara is about to day vig them


I did.

don't think you really did day2 which is what I'm asking about from you

[Esooa]

accidentally clicked that has hally quote while scrolling

[Hally]

ara
eph
esooa

bop
visor

manasi
manti

cuth
logic
monty

i originally had manti in the bottom group but i like his posts toDay so i moved him up a tier. i’m worried i’m misclearing bop or visor but i still lean v for both so i don’t really wanna consider either toDay. should ~always be at least two wolves in the bottom half regardless

[Maple]

https://tenor.com/view/nekopara-maple-catgirl-anime-cute-gif-16504875.gif

[Hally]

gh a villa kill?

i assumed a one time wolf kill

i have no idea what setups are like on here but figure village doesnt get a poisoner and a vig
why’d you assume wolves would kill gh?

[Maple]

why’d you assume wolves would kill gh?

to setup a fakeclaim, probably

[Hally]

^^^ What I had ready before I saw the flip

I actually hoped Visor would be poisoner, but OK

Vote: CL

For example, in #1200 at SOD2 dya, examining Sunbae's legacy, reported his towncore as: Zelda, Ara, CL (and maybe GH). Dya remarked that she would take his word on Zelda and was already feeling good about Ara and GH. It's noteworthy that she laundered a townread of CL through a dead townie, a classic triplet, but didn't express/echo it for her own part. You know, like 'GOAT slain Sunbae is all about that CL-town... and I feel good about the other stuff he said.' Also, both CL and dya spent an inordinate amount of time D2 talking to/about dying Rask.

In 1716, CL drops a questionable case for why neither dya and GH should be candidates



At EOD, I appreciated CL's legacy post but it turns out he contradicted it badly with his leans seconds later
how is that a contradiction monty? also why does the thing about sunbae’s reads make bop a wolf? this feels incredibly reachy

[Hally]

i really wish that this site had postnum tags so i could see wtf people are talking about

[Hally]

to setup a fakeclaim, probably
what?

[Hally]

Arapocalypse can you walk me through your issues with visor?

[Hally]

probably dumb read that i nonetheless feel compelled to share: i kinda feel like cuth would bus dya as a wolf

[Hally]

vote: monty

[Visor]

Vote: Colonel

[Hally]

i wanna reread EoD1 but it’s probably gonna have to wait until tomorrow. brain is mush

[Hally]

Vote: Colonel
sup?

[Manasi]

I think if she votes dya there, dya pings her 5 times in wolf chat and yells at her until she changes her vote.

I haven't really wolfed with manasi, but my feeling is that she'd pay more attention to wolf chat than thread in this activity level, i'd think just cause its discord.

Thats more or less the basis of the read atm.


Actually, it would have been better to pretend not to have a read on manasi and pressure her to hopefully get some play out of her slot, but you know how it be
ye idk this game just.. isn't something i think about for more than like an hour or two a day which is on me but loldya

pressure on me probably wont make me change much but i'll focus up during the mornign tomorrow - i should be awake before noon.

i have the funniest shit to say to this
Visor Manasi

remind me in postgame

visor will laugh and manasi will either laugh or be like "wtf", maybe both
10-4 pal

[Visor]

sup?

just seeing how it feels

i'm wondering if i was wrong clearing people earlier, maybe gh was onto something re ephemeral

i'll admit i didn't like logics entrance

but even if hes a wolf there are still 2 more so gotta figure that out

[Visor]

sup manasi

wheres your head at

[Manasi]

visor help me understand on mr bop

[Hally]

just seeing how it feels

i'm wondering if i was wrong clearing people earlier, maybe gh was onto something re ephemeral

i'll admit i didn't like logics entrance

but even if hes a wolf there are still 2 more so gotta figure that out
alright

[Manasi]

sup manasi

wheres your head at

it's not reawlly

drunk out of my midn and mid anxiety attack rn but i want to kill outside of {u, bop, esooa, hally}

i wanted to put ephemeral in that list too but i don't want to in case my tone read is wrong

otherwise my brain's not really funcitoninng rn

[Visor]

sorry to hear that manasi

hope u r ok

[Hally]

i didn’t really like logic’s entrances either. the part about gh’s god read felt kinda LAMIST-y but i guess i’ll see what else he does

[Manasi]

sorry to hear that manasi

hope u r ok

ill be fine

why voting bop

[Visor]

ill be fine

why voting bop

just feeling it out

my lizard brain wants to push manti and bop for pushing csargo over the edge of dya

[Hally]

hope you’re alright manasi

here’s some bunnies

https://imgur.com/NGxVJjy.gif

[Manasi]

just feeling it out

my lizard brain wants to push manti and bop for pushing csargo over the edge of dya

were they the last 2 votes

i didn't think to read eod1 tho i guess that would be important

backup seems important to save d1

[Manasi]

thx hally i appreciate

do u share visor's sentiments wrt bop/manti

[Visor]

were they the last 2 votes

i didn't think to read eod1 tho i guess that would be important

backup seems important to save d1

they were ya

it was 5:5 csargo to dya

then bop votes csar and manti votes csar

[Hally]

thx hally i appreciate

do u share visor's sentiments wrt bop/manti
i’m gonna reread EoD1 and see how i feel about it but i wouldn’t really be surprised if either are wolves

[Visor]

wondering how i should feel about ara continually pushing me

idk, i think i should be an obvious villager (especially i was a main pusher of the only wolf we've killed) but apparently multiple people seem to have come to a wrong read of me

[Manasi]

they were ya

it was 5:5 csargo to dya

then bop votes csar and manti votes csar

nice

i dont really even know why i think bop is town so they can probably both get got

the only reason i kinda like manti is bc he's the only one that keeps talking abt me when im gone :^)

[Hally]

the only people i would be surprised at being a wolf atp are ara, eph and esooa. maybe visor too actually. that feels like too few people but i dunno, i’m not there on anyone else

[Manasi]

the only people i would be surprised at being a wolf atp are ara, eph and esooa. maybe visor too actually. that feels like too few people but i dunno, i’m not there on anyone else

why ara?

[Visor]

Vote: Logic

so if we think logic/dya wolves

who makes sense as the other too?

[Hally]

wondering how i should feel about ara continually pushing me

idk, i think i should be an obvious villager (especially i was a main pusher of the only wolf we've killed) but apparently multiple people seem to have come to a wrong read of me
i don’t really get what her read on you is for honestly. from last day i gathered it was because she didn’t like you tying gh/dya together but eph and i also did that and she thinks we’re villagers so i assume there’s more to it than that

[Visor]

I swore I wasn't gonna get into the swing of things until tomorrow.

Let me elaborate: I think Esooa has been ~marginally townie on her own. She's been able to keep up with the volume of :daisy:posting despite a pretty insular playerlist and doesn't seem to be forcing much. Can these things come from a mafioso? Certainly, but they're a) light regardless, and b) not the reason why Dolby was repping his read. Dolby bothered to cite meta, which seems fake and forced, and feels like he did it to acquire credibility. The post sticks out, in a bad way.

I think it's a very viable world that Dolby is scum and TMI'd Esooa as town, just from the way he repped that read and presented it to the thread.
praise gh

[Visor]

Vote: Logic

so if we think logic/dya wolves

who makes sense as the other too?

oh wow i said too instead of two

well done me

[Visor]

gh being in powerwolf mode in rocks fall and team mafia made me so paranoid when he was on csar/how he treated dya d1

bad read on my part there, never evolved my read d2

[Manasi]

oh wow i said too instead of two

well done me

brain hard

[Manasi]

gh being in powerwolf mode in rocks fall and team mafia made me so paranoid when he was on csar/how he treated dya d1

bad read on my part there, never evolved my read d2

meh i feel like even on d2 it felt like he tiptoed around dya in a way that would make me want to resolve both of them anyway

shouldn't feel too bad

[Hally]

why ara?
partially borrowing confidence from sunbae. partially that i feel like she’s kinda in her own world in a way that feels quintessentially v!ara. i also lowkey think dya’s sequence where they were like “i v read ara!” and then “i forgot why” isn’t w/w but that’s a more minor point

[Manasi]

partially borrowing confidence from sunbae. partially that i feel like she’s kinda in her own world in a way that feels quintessentially v!ara. i also lowkey think dya’s sequence where they were like “i v read ara!” and then “i forgot why” isn’t w/w but that’s a more minor point

lol it's kinda funny bc that's what esooa kinda did that dya pushed on for being weirdchamp

poor dya

[Hally]

Vote: Logic

so if we think logic/dya wolves

who makes sense as the other too?
wya on monty? i feel like everything he posts is wolfy but i don’t know him so i might be wildly off base

[Hally]

gh being in powerwolf mode in rocks fall and team mafia made me so paranoid when he was on csar/how he treated dya d1

bad read on my part there, never evolved my read d2
yea. was like deja vu except he didn’t flip wolf :shame:

[Visor]

Ok, GH is town but he's wrong about eph (probably).

Sunbae's vote on Dya makes me like him.

And I probably shouldn't read Csargo this early given my record, but I find him towny.

That leaves me with Monty, Dya and Dolby as top suspects.

Vote: Montomercy


I haven't read Ampharos yet and I gotta run. Also, Visor, Ara and some other folks haven't made a strong enough impression on me to sort them either way.

was pzelda the goat this game needed?

[Hally]

lol it's kinda funny bc that's what esooa kinda did that dya pushed on for being weirdchamp

poor dya
they’ve randed wolf so much lately lol

[Hally]

i hope logic is a wolf so gh can at least be happy he pushed dolby

[Visor]

dya/dolby logic/monty/cuth

?

[Hally]

did dolby push dya?

[Hally]

how bussable is wolf backup on a scale of goon to dayvig?

[Visor]

I don't like this thing that dya did

this joke and this:


Dya is here and I should ISO the slot since this is the first Dya post I really remember seeing (833), but they are definetely less impactful than in Ice Cream team maf D2

shadow realm: population them

[Visor]

how bussable is wolf backup on a scale of goon to dayvig?

backup is ~semi bussable, closer to goon i guess

but this backup could back up every wolf role from what i could gather, and got 1 shot powers from the other prs

[Hally]

loool

w/w

[Visor]

loool

w/w

ya they're dead.

get out the cats, logic.

[Hally]

backup is ~semi bussable, closer to goon i guess

but this backup could back up every wolf role from what i could gather, and got 1 shot powers from the other prs
???

[Visor]

do you have any thoughts on eph/manti hally?

[Visor]

???

oh i misread sorry


1. If a member of the mafia dies, you inherit their ability as your own. [redacted]

2. However, you cannot use more than one ability each Night.


but this seemed to me like it could backup every wolf action but only do 1 per night (i mixed that up with 1 shot)

[Ephemeral]

mornin

i'll be catching up in a bit��

[Hally]

END OF DAY 2

dyachei was eliminated.


ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

https://i.imgur.com/Cki8YNt.png

dyachei, you are Harbinger.

:cthulhu:





You are the Mafia Backup.

1. If a member of the mafia dies, you inherit their ability as your own. [redacted]

2. However, you cannot use more than one ability each Night.


You win when the mafia can't be prevented from killing everyone else.

Have fun!

:2thumbsup:
Raskolnikov died to poison.


"I am the very model of a scientist salarian, I've studied species turian, asari, and batarian.

I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).

My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist salarian."

https://i.imgur.com/6pPDpsc.png

Raskolnikov, you are Mordin Solus.

:scholar:





You are Vanilla Town.

You win when the mafia are eliminated.

Have fun!

:2thumbsup:
Logic is replacing Dolby, effective immediately. Do not talk about substitutions etc.


Orders for Night Two are due in: thunderously calm


Do not post at night!


Alive: 13/17

Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Hally
Logic (formerly Dolby)
Manasi
Maple
Montmorency
pzelda
Visor

Dead: 4/17

Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814731#post2053814731).
Sunbae - Garrus Vakarian, Vanilla Town, killed n1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814764#post2053814764).
dyachei - Harbinger, Mafia Backup, eliminated d2.
Raskolnikov - Mordin Solus, Vanilla Town, died to poison d2.
where’s it say dya got one-shots from other pr’s?

[Hally]

do you have any thoughts on eph/manti hally?
eph villa

manti possibly wolf but possibly not

[Visor]

whats your thoughts on manti, eph?

[Visor]

i guess perhaps in this game backup is more valuable than any other role

given it can be ALL ROLES

[Hally]

oh i misread sorry



but this seemed to me like it could backup every wolf action but only do 1 per night (i mixed that up with 1 shot)
oh, i thought you were saying dya could back up villa pr’s

[Ephemeral]

whats your thoughts on manti, eph?

his posts today look like villa manti when he puts in the effort I think

but should probably look at how dya played around him d1

[Ephemeral]

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

probably no wolves on the dya wagon barring the possibility of a savage bus move

which

I guess I can't fully rule out given that I'm pretty confident dya just wanted out one way or the other lol

[Ephemeral]

also dya's d1 w/r/t manti isn't telling from their side afaict

[Ephemeral]

does manti hammer csargo d1 to save dya as their partner only to do an abrupt turnaround the next day with no sensible progression

it seems kinda dumb?

but their interactions d2 do give off a bit of a manufactured feel

can i have a second pair of eyes on this

[Visor]

does manti hammer csargo d1 to save dya as their partner only to do an abrupt turnaround the next day with no sensible progression

it seems kinda dumb?

but their interactions d2 do give off a bit of a manufactured feel

can i have a second pair of eyes on this

quote em?

[ColonelLubriderm]

just feeling it out

my lizard brain wants to push manti and bop for pushing csargo over the edge of dya

I was on the toilet writing a rage full post about this and when I got back to bed I started reading it it was mostly numbers because iPads are fucking stupid so I erased it and came up with a tl;dr version

You misspelled “wolf brain”

[ColonelLubriderm]

Reading the next visor post brought the rage back.

It was 5-5 in the first fucking place because I left csargo solely to fuck with gh because he said he’d reluctantly vote csargo unless rask became available.

I was on csargo and pushed him most of the day.

Let’s not frame it incorrectly and say I was the last to hop on as a way to scum read me, which I think is completely bullshit btw

[ColonelLubriderm]

Also ty esooa for not lumping in me with manti/visor because I was doing the same thing they were.

This isn’t sarcasm, I’m glad to not have to deal with this.

[Visor]

look i think you're a villa but theres a world im wrong so it wsa worth at least thinkin about

now talk to me about dolby/cuth/monty

[Ephemeral]

how does that square with your manti meta

and manti just be a dick


Killing someone who actually wants to be in the game was a mistake in hindsight, but that wasn't a factor I considered at the time.

I think this is an inevitability and nothing short of an ic reveal will make me give a shit.


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306758456998887429/780958163842760704/selfvoteandate.png


that's fair

I shouldn't have joined this game with my schedule the way it was

but i think I've shown I do want to be here today at least to some extent? so like I guess nothing matters because of d1


I'm not sure how to talk about my feelings toward dya without coming off like a dick lol

Theyre almost certainly dying today so I'm not particularly fussed


I imagine you'd end the day voting dyachei

Visor I was mainly thinking of this section

i don't remember them having meaningful interactions outside of this I think, which is why it seemed abrupt/off to me

[ColonelLubriderm]

look i think you're a villa but theres a world im wrong so it wsa worth at least thinkin about

now talk to me about dolby/cuth/monty

You mean what do I think of the three people I’m saying we should kill into today.

Well. We should kill them for starters

[ColonelLubriderm]

does manti hammer csargo d1 to save dya as their partner only to do an abrupt turnaround the next day with no sensible progression

it seems kinda dumb?

but their interactions d2 do give off a bit of a manufactured feel

can i have a second pair of eyes on this

I had this thought with the AtE photoshop manti did

[Ephemeral]

idt nl was a bus vote on dya

I'm not sure how to put it into words beyond that I think the way he played it felt completely natural in a way which I don't really see a wolf who's running their partner up at eod would feel like

I don't see anything in the way of "setting myself up to take cred for this later" from how he played eod1

[ColonelLubriderm]

Hally
Esooa

Eph
Manasi
Visor
Ara

Manti

Cuth

Montenot
Logic

Something like that

[Ephemeral]

Manasi is a bit harder to parse on this due to the lack of content/lack of familiarity with her

but I also don't... really think that was a bus either?

Like the way she just came in and vibed for a bit and then sheeped nl onto dya

I'd be really surprised if that was a bus like ~ever, but I'll let the manasi experts chime in with whether she'd pull off a move like that as a wolf or not

[ColonelLubriderm]

I had this thought with the AtE photoshop manti did

Re:manufactured

Like it was too over the top

[Ephemeral]

I had this thought with the AtE photoshop manti did

aye that was in the same section I was thinking of

[Ephemeral]

also fwiw that ate photoshop is a fol meme

got pretty popular lately

[ColonelLubriderm]

If logic is a wolf my day 1 mason if of him is NOT gonna age well

[ColonelLubriderm]

also fwiw that ate photoshop is a fol meme

got pretty popular lately

I didn’t know that

[Ephemeral]

Right so here's a thought exercise

Dya starts getting run up near d1 eod, to no one's surprise

Knowing that rask and csargo were both villagers, dya could easily set themselves up to push whichever of the 2 they wanted greatly improving their odds of living through d1

Instead dya sets off to push on esooa, a wagon that would never take off at that point given their respective positions ITT and foregoes any play at self-pres

Why do y'all think that is?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Official Tally as of #991

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor)
2 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief, dyachei)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius, Ephemeral)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

1 Cuthillius (Maple)
1 Dolby (Csargo)
1 Maple (Esooa)
1 Raskolnikov (pzelda)

Not Voting: Manasi

thunderously calm

Wagons when dya voted esooa

They voted right after csargo shortly after this count.

Initial thought is that they just were not around at eod to switch

[ColonelLubriderm]

From dya perspective at the time,

!vGH prob never goes through
Zelda not going through
Eph not gaining traction
Piling on csargo makes csargo go on her making her the counter

After csargo votes esooa it really becomes the choice to put to 2 t9 give a chance to become a counter and that’s if you are putting deep thought into it at the time.

It could just as easily be
1. Sees villa vote player I called wolfy
2. I vote that player too
3. Can’t be around for eod(or is there to snipe if needed)

[Ephemeral]

mmm yeah that's possible

wasn't really accounting for them potentially not being around given they were there a couple of hours before or so

[ColonelLubriderm]

Looking at dolby/logic eod1

Minutes before voting rask someone asks why Amy slot was a wagon and they respond that “visor doesn’t like Amy’s read on them”(paraphrase I think). Seems dismissive. To then want to vote rask to “let it rand”

I’m pretty sure they said csargo was a villa too so that prevents voting there(need to double check)

Visor quoted a post where Dolby said dya did something he didn’t like but no dya vote

[Visor]

Looking at dolby/logic eod1

Minutes before voting rask someone asks why Amy slot was a wagon and they respond that “visor doesn’t like Amy’s read on them”(paraphrase I think). Seems dismissive. To then want to vote rask to “let it rand”

I’m pretty sure they said csargo was a villa too so that prevents voting there(need to double check)

Visor quoted a post where Dolby said dya did something he didn’t like but no dya vote

the post i quoted was a joke responding to dyas post if you click through (just repeatign what dya said)

the only other time they mention dya was the other bit i mentioned

[ColonelLubriderm]

I don't like this thing that dya did

I never clicked through, didn’t realize it was a joke

[Esooa]

not really understanding the monty scum reads

[ColonelLubriderm]

skimming MOnte's post near eod1, he talks about raso/amy and csargo and the plusses/minuses of their wagons but the only things he says about dyachei is "I agree with GH that it is like ampharos but lesser"

knowing the flips now it definitely looks bad but I think even not knowing the flips it looks bad because there is consideration given to rasko/csargo and virtually nothing for dya.

Especially since he switched from rasko to csargo taking dya from lead wagon to tied
Visor you mention me and maple putting dya over the top, but lettuce not forget montecorenot

[ColonelLubriderm]

It's nothing personal, it's wagonomics. I want to see if there's movement. Am I wrong to do it from an objective standpoint?



I'll help. Sooner.

Vote: Csargo


Official Tally as of #1142

5 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally, Montmorency)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
1 pzelda (Dolby)

thunderously calm

VCs

there was no change in voting between the 7:35 votecount and when mont made his vote

[ColonelLubriderm]

Official Tally as of #1090

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
1 pzelda (Dolby)

thunderously calm

this is the 7:35 i forgot to multiquote above

[Cuthillius]

the think that irked me the most about cuth other than the dya defense was how he characterized me saying to giver her a chance to do her thing was me defending them. it was an attempt at me trying to get people not to badger them so it doesnt turn into an AtE where we have to decide is dya annoyed as a villa or a wolf(which it did)

no i was

actually pushing you for the opposite, for tacitly accepting a dya!w world, lightly saying you thought they were v, but not getting invested in the read at all in either direction

[Maple]

Gm yall

[Cuthillius]

again in a v/v world

anyway

i'm a little salty and a little sad about dya's play last phase

but so it goes

i'll be around later if my brain is working by then

[ColonelLubriderm]

no i was

actually pushing you for the opposite, for tacitly accepting a dya!w world, lightly saying you thought they were v, but not getting invested in the read at all in either direction

this is not how i felt and im tryign to figure out if you are misinterpretting me saying they could be villa with me thinking they are more likely to be villa or if you are a wolf twisting my words.

[Maple]

Waiting for my bois to get back into thread and do stuff

[ColonelLubriderm]

vote: montecorenot

[Maple]

vote: montecorenot

I agree

[Cuthillius]

this is not how i felt and im tryign to figure out if you are misinterpretting me saying they could be villa with me thinking they are more likely to be villa or if you are a wolf twisting my words.

dude i explained it a bunch of times

it was talking about how implicitly accepting that people other people were hard pushing were likely wolves and proceeding with a worldview where they are/where they kinda need to die anyway, and i said you and monty were both doing this, and you looked bad specifically if and only if gh/dya were v/v, whereas monty looked bad for that specific thing either way

i think you're conflating how strongly i felt about a read in terms of my opinions on either of those people with how many words i had to spend repeating what i'd already said before in slightly different words

[ColonelLubriderm]

dude i explained it a bunch of times

it was talking about how implicitly accepting that people other people were hard pushing were likely wolves and proceeding with a worldview where they are/where they kinda need to die anyway, and i said you and monty were both doing this, and you looked bad specifically if and only if gh/dya were v/v, whereas monty looked bad for that specific thing either way

i think you're conflating how strongly i felt about a read in terms of my opinions on either of those people with how many words i had to spend repeating what i'd already said before in slightly different words

i disagree with the premise that i didnt feel strongly about dya being a wolf but it doesnt matter at this point.

[Maple]

So how yall doing

[ColonelLubriderm]

So how yall doing

6/10

[Maple]

6/10

Better than average :)

[Maple]

Something we haven't discussed that I think is worth considering:

Have any of yall actually played a 17er without extra kp? It's generally a given.

I suppose Rocks town didn't have explicit kp, but even in that game it was 2 TIs a tpro/venge and benign

It's unusual to not have extra kills.

Makes busing slightly more palatable d1 when you have a DOA slot.

What do people think of this?

[Maple]

The second thought I have is that backup is an anti-swing role that makes teams more consistent. But it's only ever a thing when wolves have at minimum half way decent PRs.

So, what PRs do the wolves have?

[Maple]

I'm still waiting for monty to come claim, Logic to post something other than the haha funny gottem towards me of last night, and general Consensus Posting.

I didn't care about the prior convo here

[ColonelLubriderm]

The second thought I have is that backup is an anti-swing role that makes teams more consistent. But it's only ever a thing when wolves have at minimum half way decent PRs.

So, what PRs do the wolves have?

seer/RB

[ColonelLubriderm]

seer/RB

at least.

assuming we have odd poison, even vig, healer and maybe +1 random low impact thingamajig

[Maple]

at least.

assuming we have odd poison, even vig, healer and maybe +1 random low impact thingamajig

Perhaps. Worth just keeping in mind.

[Montmorency]

Ara, what was the point of that Visor vote at EOD?


Is that a hardclaim?

What? Of course not.


how is that a contradiction monty? also why does the thing about sunbae’s reads make bop a wolf? this feels incredibly reachy

The contradiction would have been in making esooa-dya exclusive, but leaning both of them at the top of POE when only one could be scum by their position. I acknowledge today that, regardless of alignment, a charitable interpretation as his same thought facing a representational challenge makes as much sense as CL forgetting that he shouldn't want to oust esooa after dya. AFAICT CL only once, 1606, mentioned scumreading esooa at all. so maybe you can see my perspective when you remember that there's no strict relationship between establishing an exclusive pair and reading its individual members (i.e. someone could say esooa-dya exclusive but read them both as town).

Dya's sunbae quote noted that sunbae TRed CL, Zelda, and Ara. She herself sheeped Sunbae, but only mentioned sheeping on two reads. This could be laundering a townread on CL through a flipped townie without actually associating herself with CL (i.e. not saying it out loud).


probably dumb read that i nonetheless feel compelled to share: i kinda feel like cuth would bus dya as a wolf

Is Cuth no longer bottom-tier for you?


wya on monty? i feel like everything he posts is wolfy but i don’t know him so i might be wildly off base

I think the game rides on a Esooa-Eph alliance, but I'd like you on board as well.


just feeling it out

my lizard brain wants to push manti and bop for pushing csargo over the edge of dya

Why wouldn't you? Look at associatives.


wondering how i should feel about ara continually pushing me

idk, i think i should be an obvious villager (especially i was a main pusher of the only wolf we've killed) but apparently multiple people seem to have come to a wrong read of me

If you led the charge on a second mafio, the doubters will feel better.


dude i explained it a bunch of times

it was talking about how implicitly accepting that people other people were hard pushing were likely wolves and proceeding with a worldview where they are/where they kinda need to die anyway, and i said you and monty were both doing this, and you looked bad specifically if and only if gh/dya were v/v, whereas monty looked bad for that specific thing either way

i think you're conflating how strongly i felt about a read in terms of my opinions on either of those people with how many words i had to spend repeating what i'd already said before in slightly different words

The problem with this line of reasoning was that almost all players expressed doubts about Dya's status. Furthermore, you should reevaluate whether it's worse to wagon-shop a CW to quasi-consensus scum than to hold the line.

It was really wild that you voted me for having largely similar thoughts about the gamestate as you did.


at least.

assuming we have odd poison, even vig, healer and maybe +1 random low impact thingamajig

I'm pretty sure Zelda doubled as the only autonomous healer, but for a better idea @Cuthilius could you heal your poisons in XCOM? I was a doc in that game, so if you couldn't my role would make sense as a complement, whereas if you could then maybe town does have a doc here.

[Montmorency]

( Cuthillius see above about poisons please)



Fellas, let's be reasonable. Is anyone here interested in ousting Hally or Ara? No? I thought not.

In that case there are three other living players who ended on the Csargo wagon. In no universe were there zero scum on Csargo when scum-dya was the CW. That means, then, that there is at minimum one mafioso in the set [Monty, CL, Maple]. I hope it would be evident by now that CL and Maple can be partners, whereas neither of them could plausibly be partners with me.


ara
eph
esooa

bop
visor

manasi
manti

cuth
logic
monty

i originally had manti in the bottom group but i like his posts toDay so i moved him up a tier. i’m worried i’m misclearing bop or visor but i still lean v for both so i don’t really wanna consider either toDay. should ~always be at least two wolves in the bottom half regardless

That's what makes this list so odd, Hally. Unsurprisingly you have Ara and yourself as town. But you have me as top scum, with CL and Maple in the middle.

So - what is your theory here? That, of seven Csargo voters on D1, I was the only scum? The only mafia trying to save their partner?

And not only that, but that the player who tied Csargo with dyachei with daylight to spare is clearly scum, but NOT the player who broke the tie (CL), NOR the player who overvoted to keep Csargo in the lead?

:inquisitive:

And not only that, but that the next likeliest candidates, such that of these three at least two are almost certainly scum, are Cuth and Dolbster/Logic.

What is your theory here? That while dyachei was the leading wagon she froze up, Cuth and Dolbster potatoed on a non-viable counterwagon, I stepped up to tie Csargo with my partner, and from there on three townies graciously happened to finish the job for us?

:inquisitive:

And then, the following day, that most sussedpect Monty never wavered from accepting partner dya as the necessary ouster, but those townies from alongside him on the Csargo wagon pointed their votes anywhere and everywhere but dyachei the scumbag for most (or all) of the day?

:inquisitive:

I rest my case.


dya/dolby logic/monty/cuth

?

i guess perhaps in this game backup is more valuable than any other role

given it can be ALL ROLES

Damn, not only did scum hardly try to save their partner D1, letting townies do the job, but they let it happen when their most important role was up for ouster on D1?

Now that is wiggety-diggety wack.


Alternatively, players who saved dya did it because they were aligned with dya. YMMV :shrug:

[Montmorency]

I think 1726 is Maple softing that he's going to kill Zelda the poisoner that night.


A random thought about the poisoner popped into my head and I was gonna post it then I realized that would be suboptimal so here I am


Also, why does Maple 1444-52 have the same reads as dya piggybacking Sunbae at SOD2?


My town core is Zelda, Ara, and Colonel i think

going to choose to sponge this for today, though ara is the only one of the three that i particularly think is villagery

i think bop feels solidly between ranges with some nice posts, and i havent thought much about the zelda slot;sunbae was calling it extremely likely v so ill just say Fair Enough

sunbae probably right on village reads and had pzelda high. he had good reasons for it, too. put him in towncore with ara and bop

came around on gh villa, too

adds hally as well

I think i might just take his word on pzelda for the time being. was already feeling alright about ara and gh

hally requires a lot of work to read accurately and I'm not gonna get into that yet


Vote: Maple
Vote: Maple
Vote: Maple

No wonder Zelda was acting more like a Town leader than anyone else: he was impelled to as Shepard!

[Cuthillius]

poison and healing are separate roles

i doublechecked xcom for you, but i don't think i've ever seen someone who can poison and then retract the poison

[Montmorency]

poison and healing are separate roles

i doublechecked xcom for you, but i don't think i've ever seen someone who can poison and then retract the poison

OK, so that's a difference. Zelda just flipped with a one-shot antidote.

[Hally]

vote: cuth

[Hally]

i didn’t even see capage was the healer too

so we have this so far

poisoner/healer - capage
redacted pr - csargo
even night vig - unknown

[Hally]

cuth why aren’t you solving bronana

[Arapocalypse]

Been trying to compile all the GH/dya w/w reads but I somehow lost half my multiquotes, here's the remainder though (this is all/mostly after Visor started at SoD 2):


shhhh, you’re not supposed to say it yet


sick xpost


What happens if they all flip town?


i think its completely plausible for gh/dya to be any combination of alignments


I thought it was possible but I just saw the post he made "My literal only intent was to save Dya" lmao

do you think he posts this if they're w/w?


nod nod

Arapocalypse

Was at least skeptical
Cuthillius - I think? Not sure
Esooa
Montmorency - sort of?

Couldn't find reactions directly after
Logic (formerly Dolby)
Manasi
Maple

Agreed with w/w
ColonelLubriderm
Ephemeral

Hally
Visor




...Should probably make words about how most of the people in the bottom are those I'm townreading!!!

[Hally]

monty i don’t understand how you are getting from those quotes that wolves knew capage was the healer

not that it’s impossible if manti is a wolf because he is a good pr hunter, but you don’t know that and those quotes by themselves seem irrelevant

[Hally]

or poisoner rather

or both, i guess

[Hally]

honestly my sense of it is that the dya/gh w/w stuff was pushed by wrong villagers and then wolves just kinda let it happen or maybe tried to position themselves to look good when gh flipped villa

[Maple]

I think 1726 is Maple softing that he's going to kill Zelda the poisoner that night.




Also, why does Maple 1444-52 have the same reads as dya piggybacking Sunbae at SOD2?





Vote: Maple
Vote: Maple
Vote: Maple

No wonder Zelda was acting more like a Town leader than anyone else: he was impelled to as Shepard!

Tell me more.

[Arapocalypse]

Just gonna lay it out there I guess: Rask is (probably) dying and I think he's gonna flip town. I know it's the easiest thing in the world to look like you don't have a care in the world when you have a giant timer counting down to your doom, but, well, he does.

dya, OTOH, is... I don't think it's looking good for them. I get that they're still probably busy and everything, but even when they were around in the thread at SOD last night (US time), I wasn't really a fan of what they did with their time. The Esooa focus and kind of sticking on the point where Esooa would have known why she was voting for who she was seems kind of weak. dya does this thing a lot where they bite down hard and don't really let go as town, and this looks like an attempt to replicate it, but I think it's a deadly combination of it being a bad place to bite down and the push not having much bite in the first place (yes, I'm aware this is coming from me whose bite has also been somewhat lacking to this point, but still).

So, if I'm right, this obviously leaves me in an... unfortunate situation, considering associatives and stated EOD motives, etc. What do I intend to do about it? I don't want to go fully diving into the [Rask town/dya mafia] world because I could just as easily be wrong about one or both outcomes and waste a ton of effort on my end.

Hally and pzelda are my ride or die towns. I haven't played with Hally as much as dya has, but I have played with Hally a bunch recently and I find it kind of odd that dya's hesitating so much on landing on Hally town here. It seems fairly obvious from my POV. Esooa's pushes on pzelda recently do little for me; I'm a lot interested in his progressions looking good than seeing overall, sustained, and comprehensive solving effort from him, and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting. Ara and Esooa are a level below my top two, I have Monty as light town, and that's pretty much it in terms of my towns. [Visor/Ephemeral/Dolby/ColonelBop/Manti/Manasi/Cuth], 4 in here minus any red flips we get from Rask/dya. I'm gonna see what I can do about kicking a couple names out of this list and go from there.

To head off any questions, Visor is probably my biggest drop on this from yesterday and I think it has to do in large part to how he's treating my slot; I find it hard to believe that he, specifically, has locked himself into a mafia!GH world and is solving around from there and that he really can't even entertain a town motive in my actions.



The bolded line specifically is just atrocious considering how many times I've explained my thought process w/r/t preferring Amy/Rask over dya on d1 and him just outright refusing to recognize it, I've spent too much time and effort on it already and at this point I think he's willfully misinterpreting my posts to get what he wants.


[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814990]There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:

[SPOIL]















Like, let me elaborate: Let's say Visor comes in on D2 and starts pushing me because he thinks I was trying to invoke powerwolf.jpg at EOD yesterday and save a partner, just like I was trying to do in the team game except this time more successfully. I go "well yeah, this *does* look bad for me, doesn't it?" and put my pants on and try to work through stuff without giving him a second glance.

Visor didn't do that though. He spent time on my Eph push and then framed his me/dya take by continuing to be confused why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, which, as I just detailed above, is a thing that I very much spent time on D1 and should not be a point of confusion to anyone in the game reading.

See the difference?
I'm stealing GH's words on why I suspect Visor because it's put pretty well here, and also proves that I'm not entirely insane; yes, this is why that's Visor over the others who went onto that read!!

General question: do you think that the GH/dya association was entirely pushed by town, or what? What do you think mafia were doing around that push, in that case - what was their mafia agenda yesterday at all, with mafia!dya clearly going down sooner than later and them having to try and set themselves up for endgame? Because if you think that they're not going to at least try and capitalize on a push like that, then... -shrug-

Also mildly amused by both Visor/Bop acting mortally offended by any shred of suspicion on them; regardless of how you think you've played you're not above getting suspected, and acting like you're entitled to being forever townread isn't going to make it happen!

That does make me consider that it's simply TWTBAW here, however!!

[Maple]

I'm still on the vigi softclaim.

What was the point?

[Maple]

monty i don’t understand how you are getting from those quotes that wolves knew capage was the healer

not that it’s impossible if manti is a wolf because he is a good pr hunter, but you don’t know that and those quotes by themselves seem irrelevant

I specifically thought cargo was a vt on an eod skim lol

[Arapocalypse]

honestly my sense of it is that the dya/gh w/w stuff was pushed by wrong villagers and then wolves just kinda let it happen or maybe tried to position themselves to look good when gh flipped villa
Maybe I'm biased because thinking along the lines of if I were mafia and you've got a sinking partner that has had a good town player defend them briefly, those are some extremely easy w/w associations to pull out and pretend that you believe!!

(For which I never really saw Visor consider why GH would blatantly powerwolf in that manner here, for one, which is the most obvious follow-up thought to seeing GH's EoD 1!!)

Following my previous thought, maybe that's just too self-conscious though; thoughts to consider, anyway!!!

[Maple]

If monty doesn't come back and hardclaim vigi, I'm lynching him.

That PR soft was weak shit.

[Maple]

I read your posts ara

[Cuthillius]

cuth why aren’t you solving bronana

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug

[Arapocalypse]

Right so here's a thought exercise

Dya starts getting run up near d1 eod, to no one's surprise

Knowing that rask and csargo were both villagers, dya could easily set themselves up to push whichever of the 2 they wanted greatly improving their odds of living through d1

Instead dya sets off to push on esooa, a wagon that would never take off at that point given their respective positions ITT and foregoes any play at self-pres

Why do y'all think that is?
Trying not to flat out openwolf?

Pushing your counterwagons can look fairly bad if you're doing so at that point there, as it would be blatantly out of self-pres, and I'm fairly certain dya would be very aware of that!!

I don't think it's trying to anti-spew Esooa mafia, given Esooa's side of their interactions!!!

[Maple]

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug

I agree that logic has made the worst posts so far today.

[Hally]

ara you have to realize me, visor and eph just came off two straight w!gh games where he powerwolfed like crazy so when we see gh blatantly protecting someone we think is clearly wolfy it’s gonna raise alarms

(i know you were in both too but i think you said you didn’t follow after you got lunched in rocks)

[Arapocalypse]

I read your posts ara
Hi Manti!!!

Yes, and thoughts?

[Hally]

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug
well i don’t disagree with any of this lol

[Maple]

Trying not to flat out openwolf?

Pushing your counterwagons can look fairly bad if you're doing so at that point there, as it would be blatantly out of self-pres, and I'm fairly certain dya would be very aware of that!!

I don't think it's trying to anti-spew Esooa mafia, given Esooa's side of their interactions!!!

Dya panics somewhat as wolf and doubles/triples down on reads as wolf.

That sways me in favour of agreeing.

[Maple]

Hi Manti!!!

Yes, and thoughts?

Re: Visor cool I could believe that but I'm not sold or thinking of going there atm

I agree the "yall bad" approach is lolz but hey I do it to, it's prob strategic

The gh stuff is very theoretical and I don't have any concrete thoughts yet

[Hally]

the rest of this day is just a prelude to when we lunch logic for making like three wolfy posts and then dipping

[Arapocalypse]

ara you have to realize me, visor and eph just came off two straight w!gh games where he powerwolfed like crazy so when we see gh blatantly protecting someone we think is clearly wolfy it’s gonna raise alarms

(i know you were in both too but i think you said you didn’t follow after you got lunched in rocks)
Okay, but you're not going to try and follow through on thoughts besides that, and assume GH has simply turned into a level 1 player of the mafia alignment?

I only followed midway through day 1 of Rocks even, but it was never this incredibly blatant!!! Also, powerwolving done was in pursuit of hard pushing town flips through, not hard-defending mafia partners; significant difference!! That's literally always been a major point in GH's powerwolf play!!!

[Maple]

As a wolf in Team Game, the d1 powerwolf was explicitly to avoid a villager flip. The vigi in the setup meant we needed 2+ v wagons to be safe

Granted, I wasn't involved in wolf chat, this is what I got skimming the channels.

[Maple]

the rest of this day is just a prelude to when we lunch logic for making like three wolfy posts and then dipping

Make it competitive and tell me why we don't end on monty for a reason other than "logic deserves to die more"

[Visor]

Maybe I'm biased because thinking along the lines of if I were mafia and you've got a sinking partner that has had a good town player defend them briefly, those are some extremely easy w/w associations to pull out and pretend that you believe!!

(For which I never really saw Visor consider why GH would blatantly powerwolf in that manner here, for one, which is the most obvious follow-up thought to seeing GH's EoD 1!!)

Following my previous thought, maybe that's just too self-conscious though; thoughts to consider, anyway!!!

i did consider it?

its the basis of half the push

perhaps i didnt say it in a way that gh could latch onto

i cant really recall if he made an effort to engage me about it but i dont really care atm

he's dead, we're not.

I'm sorry for your loss. move on.

[Hally]

i feel like i should be doing more because i’m probably dying soon but everyone has arrived at more or less the same reads as me so i’m just gonna see where that leads us

[Arapocalypse]

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Logic's referenced the GH read as both alignments before? So the reference itself is not something I would consider suspicious in and of itself, though if there are specifics to it, then... -shrug-

Something something team game associations!!

I should refresh on that Dolby read I guess, don't remember why!!!

[Maple]

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Logic's referenced the GH read as both alignments before? So the reference itself is not something I would consider suspicious in and of itself, though if there are specifics to it, then... -shrug-

Something something team game associations!!

I should refresh on that Dolby read I guess, don't remember why!!!

The way he made his posts, especially the followup towards me trying to make it a turnabout, were pretty godawful.

[Visor]

Re: Visor cool I could believe that but I'm not sold or thinking of going there atm

I agree the "yall bad" approach is lolz but hey I do it to, it's prob strategic

The gh stuff is very theoretical and I don't have any concrete thoughts yet

its my favourite approach to not have to justify myself or explain my actions

[Hally]

Okay, but you're not going to try and follow through on thoughts besides that, and assume GH has simply turned into a level 1 player of the mafia alignment?

I only followed midway through day 1 of Rocks even, but it was never this incredibly blatant!!! Also, powerwolving done was in pursuit of hard pushing town flips through, not hard-defending mafia partners; significant difference!! That's literally always been a major point in GH's powerwolf play!!!
i mean, fair enough and good on you for having the correct read there. i’m just not really sure what the point of you harping on this is. gh is dead and he’s not coming back

[Visor]

i will say i'm not really 'convinced' that cuth/monty are wolves

logic def feels like more of one but i guess those fellas are in the poe instead

[Hally]

i don’t wanna be annoying so like, if you wanna press visor on the gh push i’m not gonna stop you. i’m just not really there though

[Hally]

Make it competitive and tell me why we don't end on monty for a reason other than "logic deserves to die more"
well monty is making posts and logic is not

[Visor]

i mean, fair enough and good on you for having the correct read there. i’m just not really sure what the point of you harping on this is. gh is dead and he’s not coming back

also it felt that blatant to me and they were hard defending mafia partners (interspersed with a bit of doubt thrown in occasionally to muddy the waters again)

but it was basically, token doubt to yep lock town

repeating pattern

regardless again, he's dead. i dont think it was a necessarily a bad read to make (though it was wrong) given his recent games but it is what it is. there were areas i coulve got there on him but didnt and it doesnt matter anymore cause hes dead

[Hally]

i guess that’s another way to say “logic deserves to die more”

but uh, that seems like a good enough reason to me

[Visor]

i guess that’s another way to say “logic deserves to die more”

but uh, that seems like a good enough reason to me

yes

i am just worried about the last two

[Arapocalypse]

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
Csargo wagon has been discussed already, feel least good about Montmorency, and Maple, with a side dish covered in aluminum of ColonelLubriderm!!! Probably will get around to talking about Maple today!

The Raskolnikov wagon could actually be somewhat interesting? Were either of Cuth/Dolby around at EoD 1? Might dig that up if no one remembers!! Wagonomics in general I guess... though I don't think much has changed since EoD 2, also is tricky because of presences/absences at EoD 1!!

Esooa wagon was exactly w/v, don't have much to say on that; dya was also not present at EoD!!!

[Maple]

1. Visor
2. Montmorency
3. Cuthillius
4. Ampharos
5. Sunbae
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Hally
8. Csargo
9. Arapocalypse
10. Esooa
11. Dolby (Logic)
12. pzelda
13. Manasi
14. ColonelLubriderm
15. dyachei
16. Maple
17. Ephemeral

Feels like far fewer players are alive than there actually are.

11/17 alive,

8 vs 3

PR
PR
Any
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT


PR
PR
Goon (?)

So 6/5 split reads

hally
eph
ara
esooa
manasi

vs

visor
monty
cuth
logic
bop

is my current overall feelz

[Arapocalypse]

Hard claiming not a resurrectionist, no idea why the point about GH being dead already is trying to be emphasized here!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Quick thoughts: how easy do you think the game currently is? On say, a scale of 1-10?

Also, how easy do you think games generally are? I had half a post typed out on this last night, but lost it in tabs so sorry that's all you're getting!!

[Maple]

obviously not ordered

[Maple]

actually the town is ordered

[Arapocalypse]

Csargo wagon has been discussed already, feel least good about Montmorency, and Maple, with a side dish covered in aluminum of ColonelLubriderm!!! Probably will get around to talking about Maple today!

The Raskolnikov wagon could actually be somewhat interesting? Were either of Cuth/Dolby around at EoD 1? Might dig that up if no one remembers!! Wagonomics in general I guess... though I don't think much has changed since EoD 2, also is tricky because of presences/absences at EoD 1!!

Esooa wagon was exactly w/v, don't have much to say on that; dya was also not present at EoD!!!
They were both present, Dolby maybe moreso than Cuth?

On one hand I sort of want to put down a light not w/w read on this, but on the other... it's very light and since I'm not keeping track of them this game much I'll forget anyways!! :p

[Maple]

Quick thoughts: how easy do you think the game currently is? On say, a scale of 1-10?

Also, how easy do you think games generally are? I had half a post typed out on this last night, but lost it in tabs so sorry that's all you're getting!!

seeing that all we've done is resolve a d1 so far this game, can't really say one way or another yet

we're down an important pr already which sucks, so we're probably behind

[Arapocalypse]

Can you talk about how Cuth and Manasi fit into the readlist/sides?

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #2190

3 Montmorency (Maple, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)

2 Maple (Esooa, Montmorency)

1 Cuthillius (Hally)
1 Logic (Visor)

Not Voting: Cuthillius, Ephemeral, Logic, Manasi

thunderously calm

[Arapocalypse]

Is there any way to multi-ISO here?

[Maple]

Can you talk about how Cuth and Manasi fit into the readlist/sides?

cuth has yet to make posts that feel like they actually matter to the gamestate; the majority of his posts are linguine with a lemon pepper sauce. It is what it is.

Manasi, I've talked somewhat at length on. Feelz wrt her interactions with dya. Thread feelz stuff from earlier in the game. What I think her relationship with wolf chat would be like. It's a read that could be wrong, but holistically speaking, it feels right.

[Maple]

Official Tally as of #2190

3 Montmorency (Maple, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)

2 Maple (Esooa, Montmorency)

1 Cuthillius (Hally)
1 Logic (Visor)

Not Voting: Cuthillius, Ephemeral, Logic, Manasi

thunderously calm

I'm going to end the day as the cw with 4 votes, I'm excited.

[Maple]

I have some game readz but im not sure if they matter lol

[Visor]

I have some game readz but im not sure if they matter lol

poast em

[Hally]

ara, why’d you ask visor for a legacy at EoD if you thought he was a wolf

[Arapocalypse]

just elim me then. it'll make gh suffer more
This is still the towniest post in the thread!!!

[Arapocalypse]

I'm going to end the day as the cw with 4 votes, I'm excited.
Vote: Maple

I would be interested in reads!!!

[Arapocalypse]

ara, why’d you ask visor for a legacy at EoD if you thought he was a wolf
I personally am not one to assume that my reads are always correct!!!

[Maple]

well if cuth is a wolf (with dya d1) they're getting absolutely fucked so i could see them being with logic who is also currently being dabbed on

if the game is harder, its gonna be someone with a plan; i could honestly see an arsonist being a real possibility. that said, my NUTS say that if bop is a wolf here, i sooooooooooorta feel that they'd be with like someone more poe than not, which is a weird read but its like - just something to do with the earlier sacrifice posts and all that jazz. not sure, bad read

i have no idea why people keep talking about a poison healer: a village poisoner flipped and there wasn't a poison last night, so there really shouldnt be a healer so idk what people are on about there lol

i could prob go on and on about hypothetical bullshit though, end of the day its correct to just no thoughts head empty and kill people who arent villagery

[Maple]

Vote: Maple

I would be interested in reads!!!

Okay.

[Hally]

well if cuth is a wolf (with dya d1) they're getting absolutely fucked so i could see them being with logic who is also currently being dabbed on

if the game is harder, its gonna be someone with a plan; i could honestly see an arsonist being a real possibility. that said, my NUTS say that if bop is a wolf here, i sooooooooooorta feel that they'd be with like someone more poe than not, which is a weird read but its like - just something to do with the earlier sacrifice posts and all that jazz. not sure, bad read

i have no idea why people keep talking about a poison healer: a village poisoner flipped and there wasn't a poison last night, so there really shouldnt be a healer so idk what people are on about there lol

i could prob go on and on about hypothetical bullshit though, end of the day its correct to just no thoughts head empty and kill people who arent villagery
capage already flipped as the healer. he was a poisoner/healer combo

[Hally]

gut says w!cuth would be doing more here to get out the poe

[Maple]

Who on earth opens that spoiler

[ColonelLubriderm]

Arapocalypse

Your characterization of how you think im playing upsets me.

[Montmorency]

or poisoner rather

or both, i guess

Dya and Maple both sheeped Sunbae's reads, including on Zelda. Maple made a weird offhand comment with no content mentioning the poisoner. Zelda the poisoner died overnight.

This being on top of all the associatives between dya and Maple.


Tell me more.

A Maple flip would say more than I ever could.


[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053815000]
I'm stealing GH's words on why I suspect Visor because it's put pretty well here, and also proves that I'm not entirely insane; yes, this is why that's Visor over the others who went onto that read!!

General question: do you think that the GH/dya association was entirely pushed by town, or what? What do you think mafia were doing around that push, in that case - what was their mafia agenda yesterday at all, with mafia!dya clearly going down sooner than later and them having to try and set themselves up for endgame? Because if you think that they're not going to at least try and capitalize on a push like that, then... -shrug-

Also mildly amused by both Visor/Bop acting mortally offended by any shred of suspicion on them; regardless of how you think you've played you're not above getting suspected, and acting like you're entitled to being forever townread isn't going to make it happen!

That does make me consider that it's simply TWTBAW here, however!!

Who are Visor's teammates?


If monty doesn't come back and hardclaim vigi, I'm lynching him.

That PR soft was weak shit.

rofl

come at me bro, let's Tdome


i feel like i should be doing more because i’m probably dying soon but everyone has arrived at more or less the same reads as me so i’m just gonna see where that leads us

Have they?

But I am shocked at how many passes Maple has been given so far.


also it felt that blatant to me and they were hard defending mafia partners (interspersed with a bit of doubt thrown in occasionally to muddy the waters again)

but it was basically, token doubt to yep lock town

repeating pattern

regardless again, he's dead. i dont think it was a necessarily a bad read to make (though it was wrong) given his recent games but it is what it is. there were areas i coulve got there on him but didnt and it doesnt matter anymore cause hes dead

GH was, as they say, making scummy moves from a towny mindset. That's why it was always better to look at people making scummy moves from a scummy mindset.


seeing that all we've done is resolve a d1 so far this game, can't really say one way or another yet

we're down an important pr already which sucks, so we're probably behind

Csargo was probably our most powerful PR, so two PRs.

[Maple]

:) .

[Maple]

I could go the rest of the day posting only creampuffs and Maple gifs, and I'd still have a lower chance of going over than you my dude.

Keep punching air :sweetheart:

[Maple]

I'm this game's Creature :smitten:

[Montmorency]

^^^

Openscumming ITT.

(no tags)
Eph
Esooa
Ara
Manasi
Colonel
Visor
Logic
Cuth
Hally


Let's seal the deal on this FNAF clown.

[Maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/160933279724208128/815712290929115186/maple.gif

[Hally]

bruh

[Visor]

Logic hi

[Hally]

monty and manti are w/w and manti will win in f3 after he curb stomps monty

just kidding
kinda

[Visor]

wheres your head at hally

[Visor]

this is the 7:35 i forgot to multiquote above

hmm good point bop

[Maple]

monty and manti are w/w and manti will win in f3 after he curb stomps monty

just kidding
kinda

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8877200ffda28eea692af2abf26e0861/tenor.gif

[Hally]

wheres your head at hally
dunno, i agree with the consensus so i’m kinda just waiting to see how this day goes to gauge how hard the game really is and whether we’re on the right track

[ColonelLubriderm]

I gotta say in montmorency's defense i get why he's pushing where he's pushing and his line has been the same since day 2. If dya/rask is w/v then clear the d1 dya wagon and execute those on csargo(paraphrasing the second part) but his suspicion on me/maple makes sense. So it's not like his story keeps changing. I'm just concerned by the lack of dya mention day 1 and not really calling dya a wolf ever(just speculating with if shes a wolf) until its clear she's probably going down(vey late day 2).

tl;dr the following paragraph is spaghetti
Maple's day 1 is voting csargo to "have a meaningful vote" then the day 2 is a mixed bad. I say mixed bag because there are things i liked and then there are things that i thought was needlessly overthetop(mostly the AtE photoshop). HOWEVER after finding out thats actually a meme i don't thnk its as overthe top as before. I'm minorly concerned about why manti's decide to try this game(last smaller game i remember him playing was the mentor.mentee mentor game and I don't rmemeber him trying(note:trying=actively posting and content being mostly about the game) so the idea of him stepping up here is something i don't know what to do with.

cuth, i feel like he's talking more about ideas of the gamestate in general than trying to actively solve(WRT day1 and some of day 2) and the times he is giveing reads, if montenot turns out to be a villa then i don't think he's pushed all villas which is an issue.(Day 2 he pushed on me/mont /gh-but flipped towards end, day 1 rask and unsure who else so i might be wrong about his day 1). Even if mont turns out to be a wolf I think i'd be concerned but it would certainly be lesser and i'd look elsewhere.

dolby other than presence I didn't like his eod1. I didn't like that he came into the end of day voted rask to make it "rand." Didn't seem to care about the alignment of whomever we lunched and i can see arguements for this being villagy/wolfy but I currently lean it towards being more wolfy for me. until logic does something i will refer to this slot as dolby


Outside of the above if i'm to look deeper into the playerpool I think there is MAX one wolf between Ara/visor. There is nothing associative that makes me think there is MAX 1(ie one being a w makes the other a v), I just feel like that's the case. Visor's best lookign thing is the eod1 being on dya. Ara hasd beena consensus read through out that i haveent really re-evaluated other than saying "sure its possible she could be wolfing." I would probably advocate voting neither of them today(without additional info obvi).

I don't think esooa is w/w with dya. that being said, I don't think its enough to lock clear them for the end of all time. For example, if its lylo i wouldn't just sheep them blindly.

Ephemeral I was minorly concerned about a day 2 dropoff(or at least i perceived there was one , i could just be blatantly incorrect.). I liked the things they were saying but felt like they were just going along. I dug there early day posts re:manti and their eod1 vote on dya looks good.

Hally is a shining beacon of towny delight


where im at.

[Hally]

Montmorency how’d you go from wanting to dome bop to wanting to dome manti?

[ColonelLubriderm]

re:monte

its not just not calling dya a wolf ever. It's not really saying anything about their alignment other than "if villa then XYZ, if wolf then XYZ"

On day 1 they had +/- points for both Csargo and rask but for dya it was just this "GH said its like amy but lesser"

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: Rask

for now

Wagons:

Rask:
+ Decent D1 arguments against Amp, flip has much assoc equity
- Traditionally subs get a reprieve, and content-wise I've never had anything against Amp

Csargo:
+ Not a bad wagon makeup, decent arguments against on paper
- I want to ISO Star Trek D1 for the complete picture on Csargo, present it for D2, also I like to give Csargo a break
0 vig candidate

Dyachei: GH has it right that the dyachei push is the amy push but less of everything




My instinct with this kind of post, where are top wagon mildly defends another top wagon, is that if Csargo is scum dyachei has a high probability of being anti-spewed (i.e. not paired).

Interestingly, Rask/Amp is doing the same near above this post. Grapes are fermenting.



LEANS

NEUTRAL (not null)
Dolb
Sunbae

TOWN
--66%
Ara
Hally

NULL
CL
Visor
Cuth
Eph
GH

Maple
Esoo
Manasi

dya
Amy
Csargo

SCUM
Zelda
--33%

this is the post i was just referencing in my last post about montecorenot

[Hally]

good stuff bop

[Hally]

that post looks like monty is glomming onto gh’s bad defense of dya and using it as an excuse not to vote them

kind of yikes

[Maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482061866164551682/815717490126618624/unknown.gif

I have to say, there are basically no gifs of Maple acting agreeable

[Maple]

I will reiterate

Monty softing vigi, claiming not that, but continuing to rep a PR is some wolfy ass shit.

I understand yall "I shall not talk about PRs :)"ing but yall

He's a wolf.

[Hally]

the only reason i have to villa read cuth is that i kinda think he’d have been taking more steps to make his position itg less awful as a wolf. i’m not really seeing what he’s doing if he’s wolfing here by just... not pushing dya at all on either day. and then toDay he’s still not really doing anything to escape the poe. not that there is a ton he could do atp except bussing ig but i kinda expect him to not like... throw in the towel as a wolf

[Maple]

the only reason i have to villa read cuth is that i kinda think he’d have been taking more steps to make his position itg less awful as a wolf. i’m not really seeing what he’s doing if he’s wolfing here by just... not pushing dya at all on either day. and then toDay he’s still not really doing anything to escape the poe. not that there is a ton he could do atp except bussing ig but i kinda expect him to not like... throw in the towel as a wolf

Yeah my feelz on cuth is that w!cuth is basically [redacted]ing here with their current play.

Which, granted, is possible esp in logic!w world.

I talked a bit about this earlier.

[Maple]

The word idt is banned on this site but talking around the concept like this is more fun pray

[Cuthillius]

i wasn't around eod1

and i'm obviously not just reading logic w for saying the gh has a godread thing

but the way he said it was

very similar to ice cream

and just

not great

and then he left

and

yeah

[Hally]

on the other hand, “he wouldn’t look this bad as a wolf” feel like an objectively awful reason to villa read a player of his caliber at this stage of the game

but on the other other hand, would a player of his caliber really let his position deteriorate this much as a wolf

yes guess it’s kind of a circle

[Maple]

If I'm a wolf I'm most likely planning to take this to an f3

But lbr yall, would I really do that after my string of dogshit games recently? I thought not

[Maple]

i wasn't around eod1

and i'm obviously not just reading logic w for saying the gh has a godread thing

but the way he said it was

very similar to ice cream

and just

not great

and then he left

and

yeah

Yes, with the caveat that logic will respond saying he has the capacity to be inactive as both alignments including ad a sub

[Maple]

If gh was a wolf we could prob btb cuth logic for a w lol

[Hally]

I will reiterate

Monty softing vigi, claiming not that, but continuing to rep a PR is some wolfy ass shit.

I understand yall "I shall not talk about PRs :)"ing but yall

He's a wolf.
i’m choosing to ignore this because i assume if he keeps repping vig and is not in fact the vig he’s gonna get shot in the face N4

i’m not sure he was intending to rep vig though

[Maple]

Would yall describe Logic's playstyle as Performative or Grandiose?

In general not itg

[Maple]

i’m choosing to ignore this because i assume if he keeps repping vig and is not in fact the vig he’s gonna get shot in the face N4

i’m not sure he was intending to rep vig though

His subsequent responses to me implied a PR rep

[Maple]

I ain't a bitch ill lynch a cop claim d1

The intent? Self preserving

I got this man trapped in a box

[Hally]

Would yall describe Logic's playstyle as Performative or Grandiose?

In general not itg
neither?

[Maple]

neither?

Yeah me neither

[Cuthillius]

Yes, with the caveat that logic will respond saying he has the capacity to be inactive as both alignments including ad a sub

oh sure

but the performativity of the "aw shucks gh could have cleared me such a shame haha i'm gonna have to put on my tryhard pants oh wait nvm bye" (very loosely paraphrasing)

[Visor]

Would yall describe Logic's playstyle as Performative or Grandiose?

In general not itg

definitely not grandiose

id say neither but if i had to pick one id say it would lean performative i guess

[Maple]

Having read nothing, I was so hoping to get my free v-read and coast.
Now it looks like I have to put some work in.

Also, Colonel Lubriderm, you have no idea how disconcerting it is to see you take that avatar and have me think that GH was dead posting.

OK, anyone want to give me cliffs?


Which part?
The GH godread?
The GH avatar imposter?
Or my request for cliffs?


Are you implying you don't know about the GH godread of me, every single game?
This is Manti, right?

I'm going to be very confused in either case.


OK, if you are manti, you acting like you don't know about the GH godread is really [redacted] odd.

If you are not manti, it's a mighty strange coincidence that you are using one of his aliases and a related avatar.


I am going to ignore you for a bit as your lack of engaging dialogue is not helping me solve you at the moment.


I have a slightly less selfish take of "I'm a-ok dying regardless of whether people listen to my (probably garbage) reads."

My BOY Spacecamp Logic was looking to take home an EMMY

[Hally]

his posts felt like “haha i’m just a villager”

[Maple]

oh sure

but the performativity of the "aw shucks gh could have cleared me such a shame haha i'm gonna have to put on my tryhard pants oh wait nvm bye" (very loosely paraphrasing)

This is precisely the reason why I hope the game is wolf vigi monty, rc or rb Logic, +1

Also my phone is capitalizing Logic; I think it thinks I mean the rapper lol

[Hally]

logic: guess i’ll have to try now

narrator: he didn’t

[Maple]

Anyway yall I'm excited to get no cred and lynched in prelylo after I flip some wolves hattip

[Maple]

his posts felt like “haha i’m just a villager”

I misclicked thanking this post but sure we take those

[Maple]

So anyway I've been playing some chess

My openings have been aight but I keep blundering pieces in the midgame, I just don't have the attention span for that shit

My endgames are fire tho, the key is to have opponents who don't know how to checkmate while understanding the basics