Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[dyachei]

if he has two motion results, today is the best time to reveal and not when a deep wolf has a chance to CC at MYLO

keeping one result hidden until later is just good play

did he say what his other result was?

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #2250

raskolnikov 3 vulgard enderwiggin nutella
vulgard 1 boquise
cape90 1 achro
enderwiggin 1 raskolnikov

Majority is in effect. With 10 players remaining the magic number is 6. If you think Maj has been reached, please stop posting and let benneh and i know.

Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/29

[Raskolnikov]

EnderWiggin: claim the full results before I get majed.

unvote: Ender

[Syn]

did he say what his other result was?

not yet

he's probably waiting to see how everyone posts to maximize spew

[nutella]

I really don't know at this point.

I was already annoyed after Wisdom tbh, now if Ender is town I will just have to go and get healed for ptsd.

nutella is prolly one though because they have been pocketing me when I was trying to chop Wisdom, and is now just not even trying to think about the possiblity of me being a villager (and if you read my posts carefully, and I know it's hard to get past my displayed annoyance today, you will see I thought about the fact Ender could be villa, which she has not deigned to think about regarding my slot today).

past that idk lol too many things to think about and I actually don't want to rn;

I'm not entertaining the possibility that you're town because you're not. I already scumread you before the result and thought that you were only town if you were the md and your initial reaction to ender's claim sealed it for me. Sorry bud

[Raskolnikov]

Achro nutella Wisdom apologies. I will behave myself smh.
Lapras: post pls so we get Ender's second result

[EnderWiggin]

can you get me to why not cape?

Reaction today + Rask remonstrating with him doesn't look w/w.

[EnderWiggin]

honestly maybe syn is a wolf too

EnderWiggin you had a tr on this, have you found other reasons

Honestly a lot of the townread was built around how stubbornly anti-consensus Syn was D1/D2.

And that could be wrong?

I want it to be right but I admit not as confident with Syn anymore.

[EnderWiggin]

it's not what I meant fwiw. I am saying Ender doesn't have any conclusive info if he is a villa. And the way he presented his results (well he didn't present his results actually, just a partial one) is just pushing another ML.

Anyway, yeah it's maybe just a bad reaction from me. but it was still a reaction from villa!me. :shrug:

I mean I presented information in a way to provoke reactions to try and get reads.

If we miss today it's MYLO tomorrow.

Me claiming today should 100% of the time happen no matter what results I have. Holding MD claim to MYLO is notgood.tm.

So my job was provoke a stir and find where the wolves are and you really really reacted like a wolf when I slammed that claim down.

[EnderWiggin]

like this post. No I am not roughly 17%, 19%, or Idktf how much more equity above rand. I am or I have been visited by a wolf (since I am not the JOAT and I wasn't targeted N1 because it's robyn), period. So it is exactly RAND. So Ender has strictly NOTHING against me mechanically. NOTHING.

Lettuce think about his second (still unseen) peek. it's even worse, since that guy could have been visited by Visor. So a red peek means even less since he has actually more chance (50% more, 3 out of 5) to be a villa.

But Ender still outs its misleading results, him as a PR and people are assuming I am a wolf lol. And people are assuming this is good play from villa!Ender.

disgusting. any villa should reconsider tbh.

Hf

You having motion when we have confirmed JOAT results is ABSOLUTELY above rand for you to be wolf.

But it's not a guarantee. I'll agree.

However, impression/presentation forces reactions and I will absolutely do it again because it forces reactions.

[EnderWiggin]

Please DO NOT MAJ.

Unvote: Raskol

[EnderWiggin]

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.

[EnderWiggin]

Anyway I've got to get ready for a longass day at work so catch y'all when I'm back and exhausted.

[Raskolnikov]

I mean I presented information in a way to provoke reactions to try and get reads.

If we miss today it's MYLO tomorrow.

Me claiming today should 100% of the time happen no matter what results I have. Holding MD claim to MYLO is notgood.tm.

So my job was provoke a stir and find where the wolves are and you really really reacted like a wolf when I slammed that claim down.

https://j.gifs.com/2kGO41.gif

[Syn]

Honestly a lot of the townread was built around how stubbornly anti-consensus Syn was D1/D2.

And that could be wrong?

I want it to be right but I admit not as confident with Syn anymore.

be confident uwu

[Syn]

https://j.gifs.com/2kGO41.gif

what's the solve

[Raskolnikov]

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.

I encourage you to solve in this world for the rest of toDay. Because it's the world we live in and because you won't be there tmr to do it if ur villa.

[Raskolnikov]

what's the solve

no WIM tonight. Will do some ISOs before Ender comes back.


I do think Boq/dyatown.
u town
nutella wolf
one in Achro/Vulgard/Cape
Ender idc (lettuce solve in v!Ender worlds. that's a D4 pb if he is not)
Dz I don't remember anything > rand wolf.

bold names I need to ISO again. (or at least read SODs)

[Raskolnikov]

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

[nutella]

I encourage you to solve in this world for the rest of toDay. Because it's the world we live in and because you won't be there tmr to do it if ur villa.

i really don't think you'll flip town but if you do i think i'd still suspect cape lol

[Syn]

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

?\_(ツ)_/?

[Syn]

i should have known this forum's character renderer would screw that up

[Syn]

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

tbh the issue I'm facing is that my reads don't actually have a reason to change very much despite wisdom flipping villager (and it's why boq has turned to scum-reading me)

my scum-reads on nutella and vulgard existed independently of wisdom despite the associations in slot handling

i don't really care about lapras and achro and that's basically good enough for a town read for me

boq is fine

[Syn]

cape oscillates between fine and not fine between posting spurts

[Syn]

i really just want to be lazy and wait and see what happens before seeing if I need to actually change my viewpoint

wolfy etc etc

[Syn]

who said visor was obviously joat and outed? if that's actually the case, then it's possible wolves used the power killer on him last night and visor roleblocked the NK

ender's second MD would be an actual 100% red check then

(but wouldn't be if wolves used the NK on visor, but this seems somewhat unlikely IMO?)

as I write this I realize visor may have doc'd the NK target instead and none of this matters

what am I doing

[Syn]

unga bunga syn no understand

[nutella]

who said visor was obviously joat and outed? if that's actually the case, then it's possible wolves used the power killer on him last night and visor roleblocked the NK

ender's second MD would be an actual 100% red check then

(but wouldn't be if wolves used the NK on visor, but this seems somewhat unlikely IMO?)

as I write this I realize visor may have doc'd the NK target instead and none of this matters

what am I doing

oh this is interesting

took me a min to realize what you meant but assuming firefighter carried yeah

and yeah idk, i wasn't sure but thought it was visor that made sense to poison robyn and then robyn like took him out of a list in a way that sort of hinted they believed it was him, so it does seem plausible wolves would have used the power kill if they picked up on that

interestingly rask said he picked up on who joat was and i believe hes just a wolf but it is a little funny if a wolf was so open about saying that?

ugh this makes me want the 2nd result a lot more but we must wait

and Lapras where tf u at

[nutella]

actually doctor just seems more likely but thats from my biased point of view where i think i was the most likely non-pr kill last night and visor might have been more likely to go for doccing me if he didnt have a particularly strong wolf read to block


will be funny if ender's motion is on me bc i was docced :curtain:

[Syn]

actually doctor just seems more likely but thats from my biased point of view where i think i was the most likely non-pr kill last night and visor might have been more likely to go for doccing me if he didnt have a particularly strong wolf read to block


will be funny if ender's motion is on me bc i was docced :curtain:

*squints*

[nutella]

just thinking ahead

it's probably hypothetical of me to worry about being misvoted in that scenario while not really entertaining rask v worlds rn but like hes wolfy and im not so

[Syn]

with allah as my witness I'm going to tunnel hazelnut spread tomorrow

[nutella]

with allah as my witness I'm going to tunnel hazelnut spread tomorrow

i recommend cape instead

[nutella]

youre still massively overestimating my wolf game

and somehow also overestimating my town game

im just not that good lol

you think i was engineering reads to look good whichever way they flip but i have instead cleverly made it so i look bad regardless of how they flip because of the mental gymnastics i do as town

there wouldnt be as much aggressive weathervaning as wolf, i'd take care to be cleaner and just come off awkward in a stilted way rather than in a messy way

[Lapras]

Hi sorry im late what have i missed

[Lapras]

youre still massively overestimating my wolf game

and somehow also overestimating my town game

im just not that good lol

you think i was engineering reads to look good whichever way they flip but i have instead cleverly made it so i look bad regardless of how they flip because of the mental gymnastics i do as town

there wouldnt be as much aggressive weathervaning as wolf, i'd take care to be cleaner and just come off awkward in a stilted way rather than in a messy way

I think your top tier n mac spent a game we were scum together extolling your skills too

[nutella]

Hi sorry im late what have i missed

go on i'll wait

[nutella]

I think your top tier n mac spent a game we were scum together extolling your skills too

mac likes to exaggerate

you can look back at my games yourself if you so desire, but first please catch up here

[dyachei]

no WIM tonight. Will do some ISOs before Ender comes back.


I do think Boq/dyatown.
u town
nutella wolf
one in Achro/Vulgard/Cape
Ender idc (lettuce solve in v!Ender worlds. that's a D4 pb if he is not)
Dz I don't remember anything > rand wolf.

bold names I need to ISO again. (or at least read SODs)

why only1 in achro/vulgard/cape?

[Lapras]

go on i'll wait

Ive had and still am having mild baby distractions so id appreciate cliffs

[nutella]

Ive had and still am having mild baby distractions so id appreciate cliffs

ender has motion on rask, and has a second motion result not yet outed. i recommend you read some of the ensuing reactions/discussion if you have some time and evaluate how rask has handled the pressure. start here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845375&viewfull=1#post2053845375)

[Lapras]

Rask seems bad pg 71

Im trying to find the peek reveal

[nutella]

i think rask is prob just the firefighter bc it was on his mind even before ender revealed the result, he said something about it that seemed weirdly out of context and it seemed like he had it ready as an excuse bc he got the sense ender was building up to reveal motion on him

if he was town the power killer would have also been a possibility

[Lapras]

Feels like rasks a wolf fs? Any other claims?

[Lapras]

i think rask is prob just the firefighter bc it was on his mind even before ender revealed the result, he said something about it that seemed weirdly out of context and it seemed like he had it ready as an excuse bc he got the sense ender was building up to reveal motion on him

if he was town the power killer would have also been a possibility

This feels right sorry i just read n his reaction is all over blown he didnt even think about how MD also works dor ppl being visited

I wont vote cuz maj etc

But yh seems decided

[Lapras]

Nutella seems towny why are you pushing them Syn

[Lapras]

oh this is interesting

took me a min to realize what you meant but assuming firefighter carried yeah

and yeah idk, i wasn't sure but thought it was visor that made sense to poison robyn and then robyn like took him out of a list in a way that sort of hinted they believed it was him, so it does seem plausible wolves would have used the power kill if they picked up on that

interestingly rask said he picked up on who joat was and i believe hes just a wolf but it is a little funny if a wolf was so open about saying that?

ugh this makes me want the 2nd result a lot more but we must wait

and Lapras where tf u at

Robyn said joat was obvious fwiw

[Syn]

Nutella seems towny why are you pushing them Syn

tea leaves

[Lapras]

achro
boq
ender
lapras
syn
---
dya
cape
rask
vulgard


it's uh a Lot more complicated than this in my mind, theres a web of interdependencies that i dont want to go into yet especially until ender talks about rask but ill leave this here for now and see yall in the morn

Howd you end up tring me?

[nutella]

Howd you end up tring me?

idk

i guess i started bc i was wolfreading vulgard and didnt think you fit

im not that sure hes a wolf but i think he can fit as one in several worlds

but also your vibes kinda improved nebulously even though you havent done much

[nutella]

enderwiggin waiting room

(ill def be in bed when he gets back rip)

[Cape90]

I'm more confident that Lapras is scum. Finding who is scummier between Nutella and Vulgard is going to be impossible. I am sorry for my performance this game. My day 1 was like S teir cape being obviously town. Now I don't know what the heck I'm doing.

My POE is Rask/Lapras/Vulgard/Nutella.

If there is no cc motion tracker then I just take it as clear

[Cape90]

And somehow Boq and day are not in my POE and are the towniest players.

God help me

[Cape90]

Well actually it is easily Syn who is towniest by a mile

[Cape90]

EnderWiggin: claim the full results before I get majed.

unvote: Ender

This guy KNOWS ender is real. So yeah I'm bad at game

[Cape90]

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.
What does re eval even mean? You have a check no?

[Cape90]

cape oscillates between fine and not fine between posting spurts

You should be scum reading me

[Cape90]

do I really need to explain why a wolf would deign to pretend and lie in a mafia game

What benefit does Vulgard get from doing something that would frame themselves 2 times?

I'm not making sense because I'm bowling but I'm just confused and will probably just take you as town if vul is wolf

[Cape90]

can you get me to why not cape?

That's not what ender said there but it's good to know ur not reading some things

[Cape90]

Lol yeah found a rask teammate.


Also vulgard is town again.

Meh just kill Lapras when I die. I just couldn't believe that Rask was very likely mafia there

[Cape90]

Meh just kill Lapras when I die. I just couldn't believe that Rask was very likely mafia there

I'm confident enough to say. Please don't stray from it :)

[nutella]

what

[nutella]

I'm confident enough to say. Please don't stray from it :)

vulgard or lapras pick one lol

[Cape90]

Cape90 i do not understand your reaction to the claim stuff, what was the frustration aimed at, and what is your actual take on rask
That I thought Rask was super towny before the claim, then pretty much seemed outed. So I have questions about what the rest of town are up to since like. That was part of my town core

[Cape90]

You fit too well with cape for me to ignore, even if I see a slight amount of towny spark in your posts it really has not been enough.

Especially since I think vul is town again, I think I just have the team

What made Vulgards posts believe able walk me through that train of thought

[nutella]

That I thought Rask was super towny before the claim, then pretty much seemed outed. So I have questions about what the rest of town are up to since like. That was part of my town core

idk what to tell you man, i insisted at sod that rask was wolfy and i thought you were gonna consider it and you just...didnt

[Cape90]

Recovering my mind here is hard, ngl. but still worth trying.



why did you bait for JOAT reads in the first place Cape?

Robyn was saying JOAT was obvious so I just decided to see who would town tell off of it

[nutella]

What made Vulgards posts believe able walk me through that train of thought

does my elaboration a few posts down help


These in particular. He has a bit of a rocky start with liking rask's reaction which I find a bit bewildering but I went in with confbias already having thought rask w/ender md, so I think it's just a real uninformed reaction. Then he goes back and sees what I had seen from ender that makes it make sense. And reacts to cape in a way that vibes with me.

idk i still flip flopped a bit on it and still def think he can be wolf but his reaction was at least more transparent to me than yours

[Cape90]

Robyn was saying JOAT was obvious so I just decided to see who would town tell off of it

Nobody did

[Cape90]

These in particular. He has a bit of a rocky start with liking rask's reaction which I find a bit bewildering but I went in with confbias already having thought rask w/ender md, so I think it's just a real uninformed reaction. Then he goes back and sees what I had seen from ender that makes it make sense. And reacts to cape in a way that vibes with me.

Sorry I'm on mobile preoccupied and missed this. But I do remember relatively liking at least the first post there as it was similar to why I had a townread on Ender despite Ender being all snippy at pressure.

Not bad

[nutella]

if it's rask/vulgard/+1 who do you think the third can be who isn't me

[Cape90]

idk what to tell you man, i insisted at sod that rask was wolfy and i thought you were gonna consider it and you just...didnt

I did and then just dismissed the sus prematurely off my skim.

[Syn]

Well actually it is easily Syn who is towniest by a mile

thank you cape very cool

[Cape90]

if it's rask/vulgard/+1 who do you think the third can be who isn't me

I just said

Lapras

In fact I would bet it over Vulgard.

I know Vulgard has this certain wolfy thing as town that I sometimes misread him off of. I just feel like those day 2 posts especially looked wolfy.

But being more familiar with Lapras, they just are not playing like town selves

[nutella]

I just said

Lapras

In fact I would bet it over Vulgard.

I know Vulgard has this certain wolfy thing as town that I sometimes misread him off of. I just feel like those day 2 posts especially looked wolfy.

But being more familiar with Lapras, they just are not playing like town selves

this is not what i asked

[nutella]

unless you actually think lapras/vulgard are w/w but i asked you to pick one between them a few posts ago bc i think theyre incompatible

if you disagree show ur work?

[Syn]

What benefit does Vulgard get from doing something that would frame themselves 2 times?

I'm not making sense because I'm bowling but I'm just confused and will probably just take you as town if vul is wolf

i don't like these questions because one benefit is usually in people asking that question

in general though the answer is always that it can be used to build an organic-looking case if you don't recognize the agenda

"i said x then and y later, they flipped this way/they're now confirmed town, you should trust me because i developed my read"

and I generally view that as scummy when the "developed read" was first written to play both sides

[Cape90]

For some reason I forgot achro was in the game. He is town too

[nutella]

maybe everyone should do this exercise

most likely vulgard partner?

most likely lapras partner?

and to humor me, most likely cape partner?

[Cape90]

oh i forgot cape on my list. I should read his iso but it feels like a lot of wallposts

Is this why u TR me?

[Achro]

For some reason I forgot achro was in the game. He is town too

Spooky timing, I just got to my computer.

[nutella]

and I generally view that as scummy when the "developed read" was first written to play both sides

this is where you're going wrong in reading me btw

this is a towny behavior in my world

[Cape90]

you started posting really weird

Started?

[Achro]

maybe everyone should do this exercise

most likely vulgard partner?

most likely lapras partner?

and to humor me, most likely cape partner?

I mean probably Rask.

...

<_< >_>

Anyway I find Vul and Cape to be really wolfy today so they are each other's answer tbh.

However in Lapras W worlds I legitimately believe Lapras slipped and TMI'd Boq wolf and Boq just started to play better after a slow start. I can't unsee that being TMI when he was talking about anti-spew.

[nutella]

I mean probably Rask.

...

<_< >_>

Anyway I find Vul and Cape to be really wolfy today so they are each other's answer tbh.

However in Lapras W worlds I legitimately believe Lapras slipped and TMI'd Boq wolf and Boq just started to play better after a slow start. I can't unsee that being TMI when he was talking about anti-spew.


i do believe i concur with the entirety of this post :yes:

[nutella]

the lapras/boq world would be particularly funny given how we tossed them both aside so drastically

but yeah it could be

[Cape90]

Spooky timing, I just got to my computer.

I felt ur spirit as I bowled a 174

[Achro]

Just as a reminder:


I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho


Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...


To be clear- i think your theory is stupid and the most complex reality

I dont necessarily think your wolf because of it

Its just a huge bunch of logical leaps. These do generally come more from town though, and, if i recall i think you did similar things in champs?


The best part? if Rask is W it works as double TMI due to who was voting Boq.

Rask/Lapras/Boq is like, a super valid team from this post that Lapras tried to make me sound crazy for believing. Of course this post then went nowhere for Lapras as that day they wagoned Wisdom.

[nutella]

I may have to reread the boq/rask interactions tbh

[Achro]

Achro is town because no wolf has the amount of confidence he has in their OWN POSTS.

It's always town

Cape90

Why did you say this when I hadn't been discussed in awhile?

[Achro]

look i'm just choosing to run with it because i don't know how to read you lmao

might change my mind if i find something that demands a change in my mind

why not just take the tr

Okay so I want to talk about this post from Vul and why I really, really hate it. I feel like Vul should have already known before ever pressing send why I don't just take the tr. Let's talk about the two games which I was mislynched in last year, both with Vul voting me. Again, not shade mistakes happen I'm just walking you through the process here.

I got mislynched for the same reason: a member of town hard defended a wolf from me and through me off balance so that I came off looking bad. I won't name names, but I had scum dead to rights and on the floor on the Syndicate when someone hard town read them and did so with such conviction that I thought THEY were scum too for not seeing what I saw. This was, of course, a skill issue on my part and by not being calm and assertive mistakes were made and I was eventually mislynched and ignored.

On FoL, I had the scum roleblocker by the throat day 2 and the game almost entirely solved when a certain member of town decided that because they claimed town blocker they should never be killed that day and dragged me over and over until I, once again, got fed up with them and decided to make a cute little world where they were scum because of how insane they came off to me. Due to this I was mislynched day 2 for the audacity of trying to kill scum. But town won so it was chill.

Anyway.

All of this to say.

While I want interactions, while I love interactions and need them to thrive in my solving process, I don't need town reads. Both times I have been mislynched in the last several years (I had gone... maybe close to a decade before those two games of being mislynched, which tbh wasn't healthy and I am kind of glad I got doused a bit) it was because I pushed a wolf too hard and tripped over myself with emotions.

So why not accept the tr? Why not just get along to get along? Because I'm either going to be fine or I'm not. This question feels desperate. It feels like you are trying to crawl away from me on your stomach, blood everywhere as I stalk you. I can almost smell the fear coming off the post. You just want me to leave you alone.

Now you say you are bleeding WIM. Maybe that's the blood coming out of you and you just don't have it this game. Achro a year ago probably doesn't even pause to consider that, so I am pleased with myself. but... yeah, the read itself is meaningless without the cogs and gears behind it.

[Boquise]

i've been shading vulgard all game wdym

I mean that you built in Vulgard shade into a post that was about your Wisdom read and I thought that was weird

[Boquise]

true actually, i did say that
idk i changed my mind lol

lmao lololol
:really:

you gotta say something a bit more with substance, given how dead set you were on this yesterday and have now reversed your opinion.

[Cape90]

Cape90

Why did you say this when I hadn't been discussed in awhile?

It was just an off the cuff thought I had at the time. I think a lot earlier people were discussing you being mafia and I just reacted to that, but I very clearly wasn't looking real time

[Raskolnikov]

oh this is interesting

took me a min to realize what you meant but assuming firefighter carried yeah

and yeah idk, i wasn't sure but thought it was visor that made sense to poison robyn and then robyn like took him out of a list in a way that sort of hinted they believed it was him, so it does seem plausible wolves would have used the power kill if they picked up on that

interestingly rask said he picked up on who joat was and i believe hes just a wolf but it is a little funny if a wolf was so open about saying that?

ugh this makes me want the 2nd result a lot more but we must wait

and Lapras where tf u at

yeah. basically you are getting at it: I am simply not a wolf.

[Raskolnikov]

why only1 in achro/vulgard/cape?

because there are 3 wolfs :p (that's my gut feeling rn. letme catch up and read more, maybe there are more. prolly need to parse Lapras world).

[Raskolnikov]

also I don't understand why I read nut gloating about their reads/game/expecting the NK considering the game state lol. #it'sjustawolfshow

[Raskolnikov]

This feels right sorry i just read n his reaction is all over blown he didnt even think about how MD also works dor ppl being visited

I wont vote cuz maj etc

But yh seems decided

dude this is why sane people should villa read me out of it

[Raskolnikov]

Nutella seems towny why are you pushing them Syn

Syn: nut/Dz ww in this page

[Raskolnikov]

idk

i guess i started bc i was wolfreading vulgard and didnt think you fit

im not that sure hes a wolf but i think he can fit as one in several worlds

but also your vibes kinda improved nebulously even though you havent done much

so basically, there is no reason for this tr.

[Raskolnikov]

This guy KNOWS ender is real. So yeah I'm bad at game

NO this guy realised it's better to flip him anyway and is past the "acceptance phase". This guy is solving in "Ender is MD" world because this guy will be dead tmr and if Ender is still alive it's not his problem.

This guy is villa Cape.

[Syn]

Syn: nut/Dz ww in this page

inshallah

[Raskolnikov]

Meh just kill Lapras when I die. I just couldn't believe that Rask was very likely mafia there

pls pls kill nutella/Lapras back to back D4/5.

[Syn]

rask are you a wolf

you have to be honest or I'll cry

[Raskolnikov]

Robyn was saying JOAT was obvious so I just decided to see who would town tell off of it

did u consider it would help the wolves narrowing their POE? or are u just?

[Raskolnikov]

rask are you a wolf

you have to be honest or I'll cry

No. vanilla town. hard claim.

[Lapras]

I dont see why as VT you would assume (a) ender was lying (b) ender was a wolf, given the role set

I also think your know kinda anti spew given your reads are directly bounced off this

I can see why cape isnt tring me but i think aorn its vul/you +1

[Raskolnikov]

I may have to reread the boq/rask interactions tbh

where nutella spends her while day solving out a false assumption. but it's doesn't matter, #it'sfortheshow.

step 1. proclaim someone is a wolf
step 2. read everybody out of interactions with said slot
step 3. gloat about your reads and wonder why you are alive. Feint confusion
step 4. Ask literally every slots of the game to build reads like you do. If they don't, declare they are wolves.
step5. When proclaimed wolf flip villa, blame them.

Rince and repeat.

[Raskolnikov]

I dont see why as VT you would assume (a) ender was lying (b) ender was a wolf, given the role set

I also think your know kinda anti spew given your reads are directly bounced off this

I can see why cape isnt tring me but i think aorn its vul/you +1

dude I posted more today than you this entire game (or roughly).

and I am in anti spew.

https://c.tenor.com/1siW-bIUBYAAAAAM/haha-goodone.gif

[Vulgard]

I'm more confident that Lapras is scum. Finding who is scummier between Nutella and Vulgard is going to be impossible. I am sorry for my performance this game. My day 1 was like S teir cape being obviously town. Now I don't know what the heck I'm doing.

My POE is Rask/Lapras/Vulgard/Nutella.

If there is no cc motion tracker then I just take it as clear

this poe kinda sucks
maybe i misread cape

cape/dya/rask?
maybe substitute lapras or syn but they're secondary names in my mind
nutella fwiw i take back what i said about rask's reaction being good, idk what possessed me, i thought about it again and it's not

[Lapras]

dude I posted more today than you this entire game (or roughly).

and I am in anti spew.

https://c.tenor.com/1siW-bIUBYAAAAAM/haha-goodone.gif

Yah same page good to see ~:grouphug:

[Vulgard]

achro you really need to understand that i don't live inside your head

your post about me has the assumption that i somehow understand completely how your mind works and can somehow figure that out from you getting misyeeted by me twice in a row and idk this whole psychology thing seems overblown

[Raskolnikov]

dude I posted more today than you this entire game (or roughly).

and I am in anti spew.

https://c.tenor.com/1siW-bIUBYAAAAAM/haha-goodone.gif

also saying my reads are directly bounced off it is factually wrong.

[Vulgard]

lmao lololol
:really:

you gotta say something a bit more with substance, given how dead set you were on this yesterday and have now reversed your opinion.

i changed my mind COMPLETELY
is that more substantial

jokes aside, the game context has changed so obviously i'm going to rethink my read

[Vulgard]

I mean that you built in Vulgard shade into a post that was about your Wisdom read and I thought that was weird

the reason i'm starting to consider syn wolf worlds is that he's been on the side shading people a fair bit but never really pushing his reads

he has had wildly anti-consensus takes but i don't get the impression he actually cares about pushing them through

to a lesser extent this applies to lapras but lapras just hasn't been around period

[Lapras]

the reason i'm starting to consider syn wolf worlds is that he's been on the side shading people a fair bit but never really pushing his reads

he has had wildly anti-consensus takes but i don't get the impression he actually cares about pushing them through

to a lesser extent this applies to lapras but lapras just hasn't been around period

Yeah i can see this

His tone also seems to have not reallt changed at all despite the cluster fuck of a game

Fwiw my takes are driven a bit by complete lack of awareness

[Lapras]

I wanna see enders second result

[Vulgard]

I wanna see enders second result

yeah so do i

[Raskolnikov]

Reading Dya ISO it's fun to see how Dya/Boq/Syn look perfectly aligned. I have them as ttt but maybe it's just plain opposite lmao. (some posts after Dya said their treatment of partner!illario wouldn't be a bus, they go on shileding Boq then Syn)

[Raskolnikov]

he's allowed to have personal susses, but how hard is it to give 1 line of non specific reasoning?

what would this have done for your read on Visor?

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think Dya is lock clear but prolly can't articulate why they would be a wolf either. There are a lot of "not ww takes" and they fit in a lot of teams but it's still pretty rand.

Meanwhile, nutella has been voting nothing but dead villagers, will flip me, a villager, and was still expecting the NK... uwu.

[Raskolnikov]

also just reread EOD2 and it was fun to see Cape posting minutes after the flip and Benneh's "stfu" post. lol.

I am tempted to angleshoot that but won't :hide:

[Raskolnikov]

EnderWiggin: I really dont wanna read another ISO rn so stop working and post ur second peek so we can have some fun

[EnderWiggin]

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

[Vulgard]

so is rask a wolf or not ender

[Achro]

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

Well, let's add JOAT equity into the mix

final two messages about Rask from Visor


wisdom/dya/rask

?


Raskols posts overnight are good

vote: wisdom

So it's possible Visor targeted Rask since Rask was on his mind, but I don't know if the flip of wisdom would have changed anything. Could be a hint that he was going to do something with Rask that night though by name dropping him specifically.

Doesn't change that the reaction of "don't counter if you're MD" is like, the worst possible take but I don't know how nuanced Rask's mechanical takes are.

[EnderWiggin]

so is rask a wolf or not ender

GTH? Yeah

Mech? Clear as slightly opaque mud

[Raskolnikov]

I don't know how nuanced Rask's mechanical takes are.

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

[Achro]

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

[Raskolnikov]

final words Ender: I think a claim like "I am the MD, I have motion but unconclusive ones" would have yielded better results.

I take my share of this disaster fwiw.

[Achro]

Thought exercise

Ender Town, Rask town

Two different scum team branches

Vul/Cape branch
Boq/Lapras branch

Nut/Syn/Dya left over to cookie piece the last slot of either of those teams.

Syn and Dya I don't really have a fantastic grasp on atm, guess I need to read.

[Raskolnikov]

Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

I didn't read it like you because I play a lot with him and we kinda appreciate each other (nah, mostly him, he is a potatoe and I hate him). SO it's pretty obvious he will single me out at one point for whatever reason. Either straight up voting me, or just calling me a wolf, or meme about my mum. U can see how he has been tinfoiling my slot (because that's the word here actually. he never articulated it).

Now I can see him post that even if he wolf read me if he is about to roleblock me, y.

But I dunno, I just think I was townie pushing Wisdom :D so took it at face value ("yeah, Visor is finally seeing it'" kinda :thumbsup:)

[Raskolnikov]

fwiw I thought nutella was the joat and it was my sole reason to tr that slot.

[Achro]

fwiw I thought nutella was the joat and it was my sole reason to tr that slot.

What's your top to bottom list atm?

[Achro]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

[Achro]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

second paragraph was thinking of fit with cape/vul world I am building.

[Achro]

EnderWiggin can you please look at Lapras' reaction to me linking them with Boq and tell me iyo if this sounds like frustrated town being pinned by me for something stupid or wolf who is trying to make me look stupid when I nailed them?

You've seen my seeming wild theories be both very wrong and very right, so want your take on tis.

[Achro]

why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?


oh I guess you don't town-read me

wtf

why aren't you like

doing anything against me if you wolf-read me back lol



This was said to Wisdom, so I know this type of question and reaction is non-paired in this instance. Let's see if Syn reacts this way to others.


what happened to trusting my reads compadre

Same type of smartass remark to a flipped town. Again, non-paired confirmed between these two.


horrible post m'lord

Same type of smartass post as above, but to unflipped Vulgard this time.


it's okay i'll shield you

this has never backfired on me in the past

Self-aware post in response to Dya


it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands


This observation of Vul's post feels crisp and unpaired. I don't expect wolves to attack each other between the margins like Syn is doing here with Vul. There's bite to it.


nutella literally open wolfing in front of your eyes and nobody cares


Accusing your scumbuddy of open wolfing feels 'pretty stupid' with no outed power day 2.


nutella and vulgard literally double-teaming the schrodinger's wisdom read

Same type of smartass response about nutella/vul as he had to dead town.


is it more or less wild than shrug-chopping boquise because a last-second flash-wagon failed on d1 with everyone collectively adopting the revisionist history take of "illario was super townie actually"

Talks to Ender directly about Boq, but unless I missed it hasn't really said anything to Boq up until this point.

Interesting.


that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed

(i dismissed you too so lol me)

Gives a town read of me through implication and is self-aware enough to acknowledge that they treated me the same way as other potential wolves have. Feels pretty icky.


really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic



really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

in response to me asking how Nutella is open wolfing, yeah this isn't going to be paired.


y u pocketing me

smartass replay to Cape


there's a wolf slip in this post tbh

About Wisdom. Oops.


i am dead on the inside



but alive enough to vote: Vulgard


There is no tension at all within Syn when he goes in on Vul, I don't think this is bussing.


do I really need to explain why a wolf would deign to pretend and lie in a mafia game

More smartass-ness with cape in line with how Syn treated dead town. I don't think Syn/Cape are paired


hey raskol do you remember visor's low-power 13er on MU

frog's reaction to me "red-checking" him?

you're copying that right now



rask are you a wolf

you have to be honest or I'll cry

Treating Rask similarly to how he treated dead town.

So, I think if Rask is a hit Syn is never a wolf with Rask tbh.

But if I am entertaining Rask v worlds, that bit about not wanting Boq to be run up day 2 when unless I missed it (I could have missed it, isoing here is weird) he hasn't really interacted much with Boq this game is very, very interesting to me.

[Achro]

Oh wait, the iso feature is missing like the first 70 or so Syn posts because it only gave me 100

what is this sorcery

[Achro]

okay a quick ctrl f of the early game just kind of back up my thoughts on some of syn's unaligned pairings, so fair enough.

[Achro]

Okay I have placed everyone on ignore to try to get through Rask?s iso faster, amazing gameplay by me tbh. Just going to assume Rask is a wolf for this read through as I am working on unaligning people from Rask, if he is V then zzz.

I think the way rask treats Syn to start the game is unaligned tbh.

Asks Lapras to carry him, yeah I could see that being w/w from the little I have gathered about Rask.


lmao skill (and format) issue.

Interesting to note Rask has acted like a snapping turtle at times for being suspected, but Lapras? misformatted vote here on him draws a laugh instead. Feels different than how he treated me when I thought I was shading him with Ender/Wisdom earlier in the game so that might be a difference check.

Guesses that Lapras is Jdizz. I thought that him having no idea who I was meant he was probably uninformed so does this clear Lapras? A point in favor at least, but it feels textured different than his confusion surrounding me which had some reasoning behind it.


ok new alt read, Lapras > Mac. (I confused him with Acro who is the person Robyn invited I guess)

Okay this is starting to feel a little performative.

I also imagine given their early games it is possible that Boq/Lapras never bothered to talk much in wolf chat and that?s why Rask didn?t know who I was lol.


Achro: I am following closely, mostly because I find the bold part agendy.

Vulgard: can you articulate what u found tonally wolfy in MacLapras's post about Robyn's read? Also, why do you like votes on nutella?


Point in favor of Rask/Vul not being W/W



you will hate us when we cfd you after you went to bed :curtain:
Syn: your takes are good. illario/Vulgard have equity but would expect them to be a tidit less obvious (page 3 posts are eeck) :shrug:

This post feels a lot like a pocket of Syn tbh.
Rask was pushing vul as w/w with illario earlier.


DZ, put a "vote: " before your votes. (Sunbae/Benneh will Ctrl-f it)

Like this vote: Lapras


There is such a lack of heat between Rask/Lapras early that it sticks out like a sore thumb.



bruh but I don't really believe u didn't get his post so wolfy


Defends Boq from Nutella




u keep streaking lol.

short answer: no.

I am saying you are fake derping to bring a JOAT chat itt and get PR reads out of it.

nutella


Random thing to theatre about if this is w/w?



See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.

nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)


Same lack of heat with Lapras is present with Boq early on. Just very chill stuff.


Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

Focuses on me and Wisdom with just a mention of Boq?s random vote. Follows up by voting Wisdom without mentioning Boq here:


vote: Wisdom

Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.


Me and Wisdom are SUSPICIOUS (although I wasn?t even shading him lol projection much) but Boq escapes without even a mention, just that it is ?random?

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras

[Achro]

Oh this forum does not like when I use google docs and copy and paste it over. Alright.

[dyachei]

Is this why u TR me?

what? No. I don't read people town because they post walls. I was town reading you because I liked your d1 posts. I agreed with multiple thoughts. I haven't reread you because it seems onerous


what would this have done for your read on Visor?

well, i was hoping to get ANY read on visor. I can usually work pretty well with him on solving and he didn't give me anything to work with

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin can you please look at Lapras' reaction to me linking them with Boq and tell me iyo if this sounds like frustrated town being pinned by me for something stupid or wolf who is trying to make me look stupid when I nailed them?

You've seen my seeming wild theories be both very wrong and very right, so want your take on tis.

I don't have the time for that tbh.

I'm about 50% away from collapsing in exhaustion and I gotta be up early tomorrow for a flight so this is literally last moment I have and I'm too tired for like anything.

Vote: Raskol

Tbh if this is town then I fucked up big time lmao.

But at least I'll be joining him shortly after.

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh Achro seems towny in this page.

And if Rask is wolf I find it unlikely that Nutella/Cape are wolves.

But if Rask is town then I probably need to think about Vul more.

That's like my last legacy thoughts.

Be great to yourselves.

Be heroes.

[Raskolnikov]

What's your top to bottom list atm?

Syn/boq/dya

Ender/Achro/Cape

Vulgard/Lapras

nutella

rouhgly.

I liked your ISO of Syn fwiw. AS I said it's not impossible dude just fooled me since his style is smh very specific (I said earlier I didn't believe this was his wolf game because I don't think he has the range to reproduce it, simply because I have not witnessed it before). I watched a couple of his wolf games, but these were a long time ago and he was outed pretty quickly iirc. Maybe it's the game he prooves me wrong. In which case I also agree there is equity with Boq, and also with Dya.

With hindsight, I liked how Cape and you treated me with respect to Ender's claim, while nutella and Lapras straight railed me, but not live, once my little explosion had happened. But maybe that's too straightforward. I dunno. I imagine wolves licking one's slips in wc reading my posts after Ender's claim.

[Raskolnikov]

Tbh Achro seems towny in this page.

And if Rask is wolf I find it unlikely that Nutella/Cape are wolves.

But if Rask is town then I probably need to think about Vul more.

That's like my last legacy thoughts.

Be great to yourselves.

Be heroes.

su in DVC tmr :bow:

[Raskolnikov]

vote: nutella :smash:

[dyachei]

i only have equity with boq because I think he's speaking more sense than a lot of other people here

[Achro]

i only have equity with boq because I think he's speaking more sense than a lot of other people here
dyachei what do you think is Boq's best post this game?

[dyachei]

dyachei what do you think is Boq's best post this game?

i dont have one picked out

I just have agreed more with several things he's said than what people like nutella are saying. Or vulgard

[Achro]

i dont have one picked out

I just have agreed more with several things he's said than what people like nutella are saying. Or vulgard

What's your favorite take, then? Not a post. Just a thought Boq had that made you go 'Boq's looking good.'

[dyachei]

What's your favorite take, then? Not a post. Just a thought Boq had that made you go 'Boq's looking good.'

we've had similar thoughts on vulgard and lapras

[Achro]

we've had similar thoughts on vulgard and lapras

Do you find boq claiming to have forgotten that lapras and I were in the game earlier to be believable?

[Vulgard]

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

i was asking for ender's final read because he caused all of this and he lied about the md on you being n1 so i'm basically asking him what he got out of manipulating the result in regard to his read on you

in hindsight i think your reaction was wolfy and you should still probably die

there's a chance visor targeted you given the posts achro brought up but that doesn't disqualify you also being a mafia visiting role so y'know
Achro i'm not sure why you have boq on your team of 3, either i missed your explanation or you just didn't explain it

i personally think boq is town and wolves are in rask/dya/lapras/syn/cape
which is too broad to be game-winning i know

[Achro]

i was asking for ender's final read because he caused all of this and he lied about the md on you being n1 so i'm basically asking him what he got out of manipulating the result in regard to his read on you

in hindsight i think your reaction was wolfy and you should still probably die

there's a chance visor targeted you given the posts achro brought up but that doesn't disqualify you also being a mafia visiting role so y'know
Achro i'm not sure why you have boq on your team of 3, either i missed your explanation or you just didn't explain it

i personally think boq is town and wolves are in rask/dya/lapras/syn/cape
which is too broad to be game-winning i know

Funny enough if you look into syn, rask, and lapras all of them have things that are possibly pairing with boq. In v you worlds I would be stunned if boq isn't a wolf just because of the massive amount of possible intersections going on there. Too much smoke for there to not be some fire.

Unless it's just you/cape lol

Leaning more towards boq worlds right now. I suggest reading the little iso I did on rask and syn last page. Explained my thoughts pretty well and both include possible boq equity.

[Raskolnikov]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

[Achro]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

Knock yourself out.

[Achro]

Vulgard what do you think w lapras was even talking about in v boq worlds in the post I highlighted where I thought lapras tmi'd boq wolf? Why use anti spew there if lapras is w but boq is v?

[dyachei]

Do you find boq claiming to have forgotten that lapras and I were in the game earlier to be believable?

I believe he forgot to add you to the list. I find it believable to forget lapras. I'm not as sure about you but iirc you werent posting as much at the time

[Raskolnikov]

Okay I have placed everyone on ignore to try to get through Rask?s iso faster, amazing gameplay by me tbh. -> random gloating, but ur right, elite move on not mafia friendly sites

Just going to assume Rask is a wolf for this read through as I am working on unaligning people from Rask, if he is V then zzz. -> zzz

I think the way rask treats Syn to start the game is unaligned tbh. -> meh. Syn and I are pals. (even if he will deny it). random nonsense to start game (if he is actually a wolf, that joke he made about 2 wolves in the roster list where he is missing is the goat lol)

Asks Lapras to carry him, yeah I could see that being w/w from the little I have gathered about Rask. -> that was also a joke. I am too old to have been a pokemon fan -more Saint Seiya iywtk - but got into it since 3 years or so because of kiddos. iirc Lapras is a carrier pokemon (ice/water type). That was a joke to Lapras. Apparently fell flat. NAI



Interesting to note Rask has acted like a snapping turtle at times for being suspected, but Lapras? misformatted vote here on him draws a laugh instead. Feels different than how he treated me when I thought I was shading him with Ender/Wisdom earlier in the game so that might be a difference check. -> nah. I was actually loling at the cause which triggered the vote seemingly (my joke about "words" or just sheeping Visor tinfoil).

Guesses that Lapras is Jdizz. I thought that him having no idea who I was meant he was probably uninformed so does this clear Lapras? A point in favor at least, but it feels textured different than his confusion surrounding me which had some reasoning behind it. -> I am town so meh. I confused you with Lapras at game start (both new names to me) and since I was just ending a game with robyn and JDizz at TS and I linked them here and they linked JDizz there, well I said what I said.



Okay this is starting to feel a little performative. -> maybe. but it's not AI. I was having fun. generally lean me as a villager but u can't know. Maybe in some games.

I also imagine given their early games it is possible that Boq/Lapras never bothered to talk much in wolf chat and that?s why Rask didn?t know who I was lol. -> I am town, you will get over me not knowing you pregame, dw




Point in favor of Rask/Vul not being W/W -> correct




This post feels a lot like a pocket of Syn tbh. -> true. it's not but it feels like one lol. But I was actually responding to post #181 (scroll up, first in page). Which makes me think in a w!syn world, this was very subtil from him to actually make me post something of the sort (he knows me well)

Rask was pushing vul as w/w with illario earlier. -> yeah. on first read I thought that convo lacked inquisitiveness and could be ww. after a couple reread, I dropped it. (actually thought Vulgard was townie in it at some point, not sure I posted it though)




There is such a lack of heat between Rask/Lapras early that it sticks out like a sore thumb. -> I am a diesel engine. I don't go full heat straight away. D1 is not the time anyway. NAI





Defends Boq from Nutella -> it's not so much about defending Boq. It's about nutella literrally faking missunderstanding. (it was pretty clear... but nut brings a PR chat out of it? hmmm sus bronana)






Random thing to theatre about if this is w/w? -> nah. not feinted annoyance to nut misrepresenting what I post because she is too quick to jump on assumptions.





Same lack of heat with Lapras is present with Boq early on. Just very chill stuff. -> yes. I like to entertain and I thought it was funny. (first line). second line was serious. (I already explained this to Boq D2 iirc)



Focuses on me and Wisdom with just a mention of Boq?s random vote. Follows up by voting Wisdom without mentioning Boq here: -> yes at that time I was mulling over a world where you/wis were wolves using Boq's vote (who seemed random to me at time, we l8r clarified Boq's reasons behind it). obviously outdated lean.




Me and Wisdom are SUSPICIOUS (although I wasn?t even shading him lol projection much) but Boq escapes without even a mention, just that it is ?random? -> no. See above. If you are real and keep reading my D2 ISO, you will see I have engaged with Boq a fair bit to read him and understand his pov. In the end it made sense to me, and that + a couple of his takes, on dya replying to robyn for instance, convinced me he was town.

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras -> I think there is one at best in there (the wolfy carrier Lapras, known as Dz in other islands :p)

replies in bold Achro or anyone interested.

TBH It seems to me you have made a specific selection of my posts and are not trying to understand the reasons behind them (see the stuff with Wis/Boq/you in the end of your post... If you read D2, it's pretty clear I didn't let Boq aside and I engaged with him. Prolly more than anyone. to clear missunderstandings as much as I could and try to get a informed read there. And u can't say I was soft with Boq. I opened D2 calling him outed wolf pal).

Did you read the rest of my ISO?

[Boquise]

I don't really understand Achro's obsession with me forgetting him and Lapras and immediately pointing it out, and how that's AI/or believable. Especially since it was apparently my towniest post according to Achro

Why isn't it believable?
How is it AI?

[Achro]

replies in bold Achro or anyone interested.

TBH It seems to me you have made a specific selection of my posts and are not trying to understand the reasons behind them (see the stuff with Wis/Boq/you in the end of your post... If you read D2, it's pretty clear I didn't let Boq aside and I engaged with him. Prolly more than anyone. to clear missunderstandings as much as I could and try to get a informed read there. And u can't say I was soft with Boq. I opened D2 calling him outed wolf pal).

Did you read the rest of my ISO?

I stopped where I did because I am kinda worn down and it was really annoying having to ignore everyone (literally ignore feature) to iso you. But yeah what you are saying is true I was specifically looking for things to pair or unpair you with others. Given the nature of the day and your first reaction I am assuming you are in anti-spew and have been since Ender claimed, but it doesn't mean I have to be a jerk about it.

tbf from your perspective most of my thoughts there are swrong because I am assigning wolf motives to everything. Although I appreciated knowing you like Saint Seiya and you agreed with the pocket attempt lol.

Obviously if you do flip town then you and boq can't be w/w for what I will hope is obvious reasons.

[Achro]

I don't really understand Achro's obsession with me forgetting him and Lapras and immediately pointing it out, and how that's AI/or believable. Especially since it was apparently my towniest post according to Achro

Why isn't it believable?
How is it AI?

Well, I think you are partnered with Lapras and may be trying to play it cool with me. I have poking you a lot this game, but I think it plays into people's perception of what a town boq is if you are so unconcerned about my push that you forget I am in the game. Also, a fun coincidence, you also forgot that the person I have linked you with is in the game. Surely nothing weird about that.

... Or you are in fact town and I am being a little paranoid. In which case it's probably Vul/Cape lol.

[Achro]

Actually wait

does anyone besides me even suspect Boq right now?

Oh no, that's a bad sign.

[nutella]

pls pls kill nutella/Lapras back to back D4/5.

if you flip town and i get chopped we just lose so, cool


where nutella spends her while day solving out a false assumption. but it's doesn't matter, #it'sfortheshow.

step 1. proclaim someone is a wolf
step 2. read everybody out of interactions with said slot
step 3. gloat about your reads and wonder why you are alive. Feint confusion
step 4. Ask literally every slots of the game to build reads like you do. If they don't, declare they are wolves.
step5. When proclaimed wolf flip villa, blame them.

Rince and repeat.

i never gloated about my reads, i thought i had nk equity due to being the most consensus town yesterday. everyone else had some pressure on them. it's happened my last few games too


Reading Dya ISO it's fun to see how Dya/Boq/Syn look perfectly aligned. I have them as ttt but maybe it's just plain opposite lmao. (some posts after Dya said their treatment of partner!illario wouldn't be a bus, they go on shileding Boq then Syn)

i can see this, i also think dya has a lot of equity with cape but i'm interested in solving more in boq worlds too especially if you flip v


So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

lmaooooooo

very good sir

my first thought from this is that rask reacted as if he knew he would have actually had motion n1 anyway

so it was clever to get that reaction

this is coming just as i'm more afraid rask is actually a miss bc he seems to really be trying to solve before he goes down, it's unfortunate he's pushing me but it does kinda look like he's trying


Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

he did yeah


Thought exercise

Ender Town, Rask town

Two different scum team branches

Vul/Cape branch
Boq/Lapras branch

Nut/Syn/Dya left over to cookie piece the last slot of either of those teams.

Syn and Dya I don't really have a fantastic grasp on atm, guess I need to read.

again think dya fits with cape branch, syn with boq perhaps

but yeah those are the main pairs i'm looking into basically regardless of rask's flip

[nutella]

Actually wait

does anyone besides me even suspect Boq right now?

Oh no, that's a bad sign.

it's weird how we completely 180 dismissed him after the wis flip idk

he's done a little bit today but could be coasting

[nutella]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

i am simply not a wolf

[nutella]

idk how to explain for those without the experience and i kind of hate framing defense this way and still end up doing it every game but my scumrange literally isn't wide enough to contain all the contradicting weathervaning reads i've had on every slot this game

it's how my brain works processing input when uninformed and i've never been able to replicate it when informed

[nutella]

Talks to Ender directly about Boq, but unless I missed it hasn't really said anything to Boq up until this point.

Interesting.


ftr this was also after he cast a boq-saving last minute vote

said this before but it would be a very straightup open save if theyre partners but it's definitely possible

[nutella]

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras

nice work

[Boquise]

Well, I think you are partnered with Lapras and may be trying to play it cool with me. I have poking you a lot this game, but I think it plays into people's perception of what a town boq is if you are so unconcerned about my push that you forget I am in the game. Also, a fun coincidence, you also forgot that the person I have linked you with is in the game. Surely nothing weird about that.

... Or you are in fact town and I am being a little paranoid. In which case it's probably Vul/Cape lol.

Why was it a good post then? That's your words, not mine.
I forget names. Mostly reflects on how my reads have been on you and Lapras through the game. Null.

I even pointed it out myself a few seconds afterwards. So it isn't like I forgot you for a long while. This is a bit reachy, or at best just a hurt ego. Perhaps it is concerning though that despite you pushing me and despite all your walls and engagements in the thread - your posts havent been that memorable to me tbh

[nutella]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

this is the kind of thing that is making me worry, you know 100% you are dying today and you cannot convince the thread otherwise so if you're wolf why reply, if you're town it's to actually help us solve

i mean i guess what it accomplishes, at least to me, is overwhelm/exhausting town solving by making us think about too many worlds, but thats kinda a stretch

so if you really are town, i appreciate the help, just not that you're so wrong on me. for my sake assume i'm town and give me a solve to work with if you flip v?

[Boquise]

it's weird how we completely 180 dismissed him after the wis flip idk

he's done a little bit today but could be coasting

I am never going to sign up to a "chill" game again tbh

[nutella]

the genuine excitement and being absolutely sure you were caught and lock wolf was not something i could fake if i had tmi you werent really caught Raskolnikov idk if you will believe this or if it helps but maybe you can understand why my treatment of you was from an uninformed perspective

[Raskolnikov]

this is the kind of thing that is making me worry, you know 100% you are dying today and you cannot convince the thread otherwise so if you're wolf why reply, if you're town it's to actually help us solve

i mean i guess what it accomplishes, at least to me, is overwhelm/exhausting town solving by making us think about too many worlds, but thats kinda a stretch

so if you really are town, i appreciate the help, just not that you're so wrong on me. for my sake assume i'm town and give me a solve to work with if you flip v?

I will do so in 3 hours if people are willing to let me that much time (kiddos are back from school and going to bed in 2 hours roughly). I can feel your frustration too tbh. I know I may be wrong on your slot (this game is a disaster as some happen to be lol), will try the exercice before going.

[Boquise]

I feel like my theory that several players try to force me into multiple teams because they "want" me to be a wolf keeps ringing true.

Wolves got Wisdom, and then I am next.
I have mulled over Rask/Ender but I can't really come to a conclusion. I think how Rask shamed my reaction to Ender's action was townie for what it's worth. I will still follow the PR's reads because that's imo how to play, and I have theories based on Rask's flip tbh. It feels weird that Achro and Nutella pairs me with Rask because it would mean that they think I only made beef with my teammate on D1 and D2 and wasted my play. I also dislike the whole "solve boq regardless of Rask's alignment".

I am not going to exhaust myself today with solving however tbh. I am happy with the push I have done against Syn and Vulgard

[nutella]

inb4 visor was powerkilled and docced rask or visor was regularkilled and thought rask was pr

or visor was powerkilled and blocked the reg nk and rask was firefightered

idk the thing that gets me is that rask was so already focused on the firefighter role and was like so on alert for it even before ender outed the result and didn't actually consider all these other possibilities


and the fact that he called it a "red" even though he already had the firefighter false positive possibility on his mind


idk it's hard for me to get into his head if he's town and had that reaction (but then it's also hard for him to get into my head)


game really is a disaster if hes town though like oof

[nutella]

I feel like my theory that several players try to force me into multiple teams because they "want" me to be a wolf keeps ringing true.

Wolves got Wisdom, and then I am next.
I have mulled over Rask/Ender but I can't really come to a conclusion. I think how Rask shamed my reaction to Ender's action was townie for what it's worth. I will still follow the PR's reads because that's imo how to play, and I have theories based on Rask's flip tbh. It feels weird that Achro and Nutella pairs me with Rask because it would mean that they think I only made beef with my teammate on D1 and D2 and wasted my play. I also dislike the whole "solve boq regardless of Rask's alignment".

I am not going to exhaust myself today with solving however tbh. I am happy with the push I have done against Syn and Vulgard

i think where i'm at is youre more likely wolf in rask v worlds

if rask flips v i'd look into you/lapras/i guess syn or dya?

and if rask flips w i think i was more likely right about the cape/vulgard world, or cape/dya

but i think there are rask/you worlds available

[nutella]

"youre more likely wolf in rask v worlds" lol well ok this is trivially probabilistically true but my point is i think i'd look at cape before you for w!rask partners

[nutella]

i think that lapras is easily a wolfier slot than boq overall, both achro and i have been kind of taking them as a package deal but that may be a mistake

[Boquise]

i think where i'm at is youre more likely wolf in rask v worlds

if rask flips v i'd look into you/lapras/i guess syn or dya?

and if rask flips w i think i was more likely right about the cape/vulgard world, or cape/dya

but i think there are rask/you worlds available

"Boquise will remember that"

[Raskolnikov]

iand the fact that he called it a "red" even though he already had the firefighter false positive possibility on his mind

two dumb things (about me this game):

- I didn't remember the roles exactly and thought MD only triggered if a slot was performing an action, which is why I immediatly thought w!Ender had tasked himself with a tdome today. Because that makes sense in the world I was living with the ff being a liability for woofs. It's only after I got triggered badly I went and double checked and realized I was wrong about it.

- I am also quick to jump on assumptions sometimes. (I need to make a conscient effort not to)

as I said to Ender, I take my share.

but yeah oof. (last post will be a solve in a v!nutella world)

[Achro]

Why was it a good post then? That's your words, not mine.
I forget names. Mostly reflects on how my reads have been on you and Lapras through the game. Null.

I even pointed it out myself a few seconds afterwards. So it isn't like I forgot you for a long while. This is a bit reachy, or at best just a hurt ego. Perhaps it is concerning though that despite you pushing me and despite all your walls and engagements in the thread - your posts havent been that memorable to me tbh

My initial reaction was it was very towny but as I thought over the topic more I began to wonder if perhaps that was the idea and it was methodical on your part.

You actually got me to 'wtf' that is not easy.

Don't take this the wrong way but I wish you had been poisoned instead of robyn lol. Would take some of the guesswork out of day 1 motivations of people at eod.

I am pretty much speaking whatever comes into my head and taking note of various reactions from people to see who vibes which way. I am entertaining a lot of world views today because it suits my solving to do so.

[Achro]

i think that lapras is easily a wolfier slot than boq overall, both achro and i have been kind of taking them as a package deal but that may be a mistake

Hm

What would that look like. Rak/lapras/syn?

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #2434


raskolnikov 3 vulgard nutella enderwiggin
vulgard 1 boquise
cape90 1 achro
nutella 1 raskolnikov


Majority is in effect. With 10 players remaining the magic number is 6. If you think Maj has been reached, please stop posting and let us know

Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/29

[Syn]

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

that's boring. i'm never going to believe the hype again

[Syn]

I liked your ISO of Syn fwiw. AS I said it's not impossible dude just fooled me since his style is smh very specific (I said earlier I didn't believe this was his wolf game because I don't think he has the range to reproduce it, simply because I have not witnessed it before). I watched a couple of his wolf games, but these were a long time ago and he was outed pretty quickly iirc. Maybe it's the game he prooves me wrong. In which case I also agree there is equity with Boq, and also with Dya.

mfw in other games you go "syn is so great, don't let him fool you" and now I am suddenly big poopy butt

BEAR WITNESS: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695-Borderlands-Mafia-Game-thread

[Syn]

wouldn't it be funny if I vote: Nutella

are you laughing

[dyachei]

some of y'all don't know what "chill game" means and it shows

im pretty sure vulgard is a wolf. I haven't seen him solving beyond saying I'm a wolf

It might be cape, too. I really don't want to reread him. Most of you think I could be a wolf with him, that's fine. As long as we don't miselim first, I don't mind dying to this bs

rask/vulgard/+1 where the +1 might be cape or syn is where I'm at

vote: vulgard

[Vulgard]

Actually wait

does anyone besides me even suspect Boq right now?

Oh no, that's a bad sign.

why is it a bad sign

[Vulgard]

some of y'all don't know what "chill game" means and it shows

im pretty sure vulgard is a wolf. I haven't seen him solving beyond saying I'm a wolf

It might be cape, too. I really don't want to reread him. Most of you think I could be a wolf with him, that's fine. As long as we don't miselim first, I don't mind dying to this bs

rask/vulgard/+1 where the +1 might be cape or syn is where I'm at

vote: vulgard

bolded is disingenuous

i think dya is a wolf

i know this probably looks like straight omgus but i already thought so before and this basically seals the deal for me

[Vulgard]

dismissal of reading cape might just make them w/w here but it's not 100%

[Syn]

some of y'all don't know what "chill game" means and it shows

im pretty sure vulgard is a wolf. I haven't seen him solving beyond saying I'm a wolf

It might be cape, too. I really don't want to reread him. Most of you think I could be a wolf with him, that's fine. As long as we don't miselim first, I don't mind dying to this bs

rask/vulgard/+1 where the +1 might be cape or syn is where I'm at

vote: vulgard

oh we're gaming now

vote: vulgard

:curtain:

[Vulgard]

oh we're gaming now

vote: vulgard

:curtain:

i'm really struggling to believe basically all of your takes this game

[dyachei]

bolded is disingenuous

i think dya is a wolf

i know this probably looks like straight omgus but i already thought so before and this basically seals the deal for me

it's not disingenuous

Why am I a wolf to you? What about my play makes me a wolf? give me details, because it's mostly been vague fucking posturing

[Boquise]

My initial reaction was it was very towny but as I thought over the topic more I began to wonder if perhaps that was the idea and it was methodical on your part.

You actually got me to 'wtf' that is not easy.

Don't take this the wrong way but I wish you had been poisoned instead of robyn lol. Would take some of the guesswork out of day 1 motivations of people at eod.

I am pretty much speaking whatever comes into my head and taking note of various reactions from people to see who vibes which way. I am entertaining a lot of world views today because it suits my solving to do so.

Why was it very townie?

I too wish I was poisoned tbh

[Vulgard]

it's not disingenuous

Why am I a wolf to you? What about my play makes me a wolf? give me details, because it's mostly been vague fucking posturing

i think the way you've handled pushes this game is wolfy, particularly the push on me

you've only pushed me when i wasn't actually going to flip, and you haven't cared about it enough to push it over

your other wolfreads you haven't seemed to care about either, you had concerns about visor but when i asked you if you wanted to push them with me d2 you basically said no, the way you're reading cape right now is also quite dismissive ("i don't want to read him," "i can die as his "w/w partner""), you're basically acknowledging that he could be a wolf but you're treating this as something of no import whatsoever

your loudest push by far is the push on me, but again it's something that's been recurring but never actually made likely, i literally just played a game with v!you where you pushed w!neopest and in that game it was abundantly clear that you were burying her

i recognize that this is a casual game but you just haven't seemed to care about actually getting your wolfreads killed which i find particularly wolfy for you because i know that you do make it clear when you're a villager and you've literally just made it clear in a game we played together

---

in regard to disingenuous vs not disingenuous, this is more subjective i guess but i really think i have been solving, it's just not solving with a lot of isoing and depth i suppose but it's still solving

i also find it disingenuous for another reason, and that reason is simple: other people aren't solving either. in fact, ender had barely been solving before he claimed md (though i now understand why). visor wasn't solving at all, either, though he was pr as well, i guess. syn doesn't seem like he's solving, he's just offering takes sometimes. he had a segment where he stubbornly attached to a world of three on day 2 and that was basically all the solving he did that day as far as my memory serves me. then there's lapras who has barely existed this game.

i'm not saying these people are all wolves (though i guess that's possible). i'm also not bringing this up because "oh woe is me how am i getting pushed when others are like me as well!!!," that's not really a factor. it simply feels like you just chose me as a target here because you think it's easier to push that line against me than it is to push that line against the others (lapras has admitted he doesn't have much time for this game, syn might just be playing like this i don't know, visor is visor). it could also be because the others are wolves, or contain a wolf, but even if i assume all three of us are villagers, i'm presumably the easiest player to push against in this way. you don't seem to be holding the 'not really solving' argument as strongly against other players as you are holding it against me right now, and i feel like you're phoning in your reads on them + cape because you don't actually care to solve them, you just want to get me killed

[Vulgard]

dismissal of reading cape might just make them w/w here but it's not 100%

in hindsight this is a bit of a stretch but i can still see it

[Achro]

Why was it very townie?

I too wish I was poisoned tbh

Felt very carefree tbh

[Achro]

Oh shit vulgard dropping his mafia manifesto last minute

[Achro]

some of y'all don't know what "chill game" means and it shows

im pretty sure vulgard is a wolf. I haven't seen him solving beyond saying I'm a wolf

It might be cape, too. I really don't want to reread him. Most of you think I could be a wolf with him, that's fine. As long as we don't miselim first, I don't mind dying to this bs

rask/vulgard/+1 where the +1 might be cape or syn is where I'm at

vote: vulgard

Please rank the players from chillest to non chillest.

[Vulgard]

before anyone argues that i'm not the easiest player in the group i gave to push against by saying i'm "not solving," allow me to remind you of the fact that i've brought this point up about lapras and about syn and in both cases it's gained approximately 0 traction and only a minimal amount of discourse

basically i think they're being given a pass and i'm not because i'm vulgard

and they don't even have to be wolves, all 3 of us could be villagers and this would still be true

i think dya recognized this and that's why the push on me exists

[Vulgard]

i'm not even annoyed by this disproportionate treatment because i'm used to it, i'm just pointing out that it definitely exists and i think the context is important to understanding why i think that dya is a wolf as it's a substantial part of why i think their push on me is wolfy

[Achro]

why is it a bad sign

Something something achro goes on conspiracy of town player being scum and punts game

[Vulgard]

Something something achro goes on conspiracy of town player being scum and punts game

speaking of punting can you explain your thing about lapras to me again like i'm 5? this is in reference to when you pinged me earlier

i have something to say about it but idk if i understand you correctly

[Boquise]

i'm not even annoyed by this disproportionate treatment because i'm used to it, i'm just pointing out that it definitely exists and i think the context is important to understanding why i think that dya is a wolf as it's a substantial part of why i think their push on me is wolfy

Urgh

[Boquise]

This whole spiel is something I associate with Vulgard's town game. Anyone knows how he reacts as scum when pushed?

[Boquise]

Felt very carefree tbh

I am kinda taken aback by the shortness of this reply

[Achro]

I am kinda taken aback by the shortness of this reply

Welcome to micro-tells with your host achro. For every long winded psychology discussion I have I also snap read things.

[Vulgard]

This whole spiel is something I associate with Vulgard's town game. Anyone knows how he reacts as scum when pushed?

i'm surprised it wasn't immediately written off as ate because i've seen that done as well

[Syn]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

[Achro]

speaking of punting can you explain your thing about lapras to me again like i'm 5? this is in reference to when you pinged me earlier

i have something to say about it but idk if i understand you correctly

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

[Boquise]

Welcome to micro-tells with your host achro. For every long winded psychology discussion I have I also snap read things.

They also last for a micro length. I have never seen you do a micro read before

[Achro]

They also last for a micro length. I have never seen you do a micro read before

Boq we have played a mash together why are you lying lol

[Vulgard]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

that post had nothing to do with you, why are you pretending that it did to shade me?

[Boquise]

i'm surprised it wasn't immediately written off as ate because i've seen that done as well

I remember our last games and how they have ended for you, and I have previously been good at identifying you as town. So I won't write stuff off as AtE because I have an expectation on how you react.

But I also haven't seen you wolf afaik.
I really have a hard time seeing how you progress your reas with me in this game and like you didn't care much about how Rask updated his read on me, and that's weirding me out

[Achro]

(Boq very likely doesn't remember mashes with me but still my heart aches)

[Boquise]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

[Achro]

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

On brand after reading his iso tbh

[Boquise]

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

Can you quote it?

[Boquise]

Boq we have played a mash together why are you lying lol

Oh
I don't remember those. All i can remember with you are endless walls tbh

[Vulgard]

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

okay so if i trust your logic that means i'm wrong on boq and it's boq/lapras

but i was about to say that i think it's rask/dya/lapras

boq works perfectly fine with dya as well so it could be lapras/dya/boq

but that'd mean rask is town and the reaction was a bad town reaction

hmm

do you think i'm overestimating the improvement in boq's posting that i think occurred + him defending wisdom when he did?

also what do you think about syn because he's the one i think could also be a wolf

[Vulgard]

boq what's your poe

[Boquise]

I am kinda confused on how a lot of players seem to have Syn as town, and haven't really cared for my mini push there. I also find it weird that Syn's take away on me afterwards is that I am "fine".

I think the absolute certainty that wisdom was a wolf to the walk back today, by also blaming it on other players don't fit.

However given the sudden sarcasm pop-in on Vulgard + trying to meld the "Why I thought Wisdom was a wolf" response with "btw Vulgard is a wolf" thought in one post makes Syn/Vulgard never w/w with each other tbh

[Boquise]

boq what's your poe

Rask, You, then we have a mix of other characters and I have a theory I am waiting to post tbh

[Achro]

Here you go


I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho


Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...

[Vulgard]

cape could also be a wolf but i'm realizing i don't feel like he is even if it logically makes some amount of sense

[Vulgard]

Rask, You, then we have a mix of other characters and I have a theory I am waiting to post tbh

what do you think i was doing repeatedly asking visor for his read on rask if i'm w/w with rask

not a trap or a trick question

[Boquise]

Here you go

The only thing I feel about that is that Lapras should be pushing me by now with that point of view tbh

[Syn]

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

yes, I'm syn

[Achro]

The only thing I feel about that is that Lapras should be pushing me by now with that point of view tbh

Yes. Yes they should.

[Syn]

that post had nothing to do with you, why are you pretending that it did to shade me?

que?


before anyone argues that i'm not the easiest player in the group i gave to push against by saying i'm "not solving," allow me to remind you of the fact that i've brought this point up about lapras and about syn and in both cases it's gained approximately 0 traction and only a minimal amount of discourse

basically i think they're being given a pass and i'm not because i'm vulgard

and they don't even have to be wolves, all 3 of us could be villagers and this would still be true

i think dya recognized this and that's why the push on me exists

[Boquise]

what do you think i was doing repeatedly asking visor for his read on rask if i'm w/w with rask

not a trap or a trick question

I don't know, maybe distance? Poke the pond and see what happens tbh?

[nutella]

Likely pairs:
rask/vulgard
rask/cape
vulgard/cape
cape/dya
lapras/boq
boq/syn

rask/lapras?
lapras/dya?
boq/dya?
syn/dya?
cape/achro?

Unpaired:
vulgard/dya
vulgard/lapras
vulgard/syn
cape/boq
rask/boq???
vulgard/boq???


Some possible teams
rask/cape/vulgard
rask/cape/dya
rask/lapras/boq(?)
cape/dya/syn
boq/lapras/syn
boq/lapras/dya
lapras/dya/syn
cape/vulgard/....?


hm idk not feeling many others, vulg is unpaired with so many that if rask is v idk if theres a vulg team that makes sense unless like achro is a wolf after all

but vulgard wagon popping up kinda suggests hes not wolf with rask either and i kinda wonder if neither is and it points to one of the boq/dya/lapras/cape/syn worlds

thats still too big a list lol but theres gotta be 2 wolves in that 5, almost definitely so if rask/vul aren't w/w

[Syn]

I am kinda confused on how a lot of players seem to have Syn as town, and haven't really cared for my mini push there. I also find it weird that Syn's take away on me afterwards is that I am "fine".

I think the absolute certainty that wisdom was a wolf to the walk back today, by also blaming it on other players don't fit.

However given the sudden sarcasm pop-in on Vulgard + trying to meld the "Why I thought Wisdom was a wolf" response with "btw Vulgard is a wolf" thought in one post makes Syn/Vulgard never w/w with each other tbh

i never blamed anyone for wisdom's flip

what

why should i think you are anything but fine. you yelled for days about how the case on you amounted to little more than a lhf activity read. do you think you're being suspicious? why do I have to think you're suspicious?

[Boquise]

Nutella can you tell me how Syn/Boq is a likely pair

[nutella]

oh i forgot my old achro/lapras pairing too

i will have to entertain that achro has been fooling me

[nutella]

Nutella can you tell me how Syn/Boq is a likely pair

he saved you d1 and disparaged the push on you d2, it would be pretty overt but it is there

[Syn]

Likely pairs:
rask/vulgard
rask/cape
vulgard/cape
cape/dya
lapras/boq
boq/syn

rask/lapras?
lapras/dya?
boq/dya?
syn/dya?
cape/achro?

Unpaired:
vulgard/dya
vulgard/lapras
vulgard/syn
cape/boq
rask/boq???
vulgard/boq???


Some possible teams
rask/cape/vulgard
rask/cape/dya
rask/lapras/boq(?)
cape/dya/syn
boq/lapras/syn
boq/lapras/dya
lapras/dya/syn
cape/vulgard/....?


hm idk not feeling many others, vulg is unpaired with so many that if rask is v idk if theres a vulg team that makes sense unless like achro is a wolf after all

but vulgard wagon popping up kinda suggests hes not wolf with rask either and i kinda wonder if neither is and it points to one of the boq/dya/lapras/cape/syn worlds

thats still too big a list lol but theres gotta be 2 wolves in that 5, almost definitely so if rask/vul aren't w/w

i do not really comprehend how i am unaligned with rask when we have been french kissing in front of the player list all game

[nutella]

inb4 achro/cape/lapras which i kinda had d1 lol

[Achro]

oh i forgot my old achro/lapras pairing too

i will have to entertain that achro has been fooling me
I must really hate water pokemon tbh

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Lapras

nutella: in a v!you world, team is exactly Boq/Dya/Lapras.

At this point I have doubts on you but none of Lapras so might as well vote him.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/kaBU6pgv0OsPHz2yxy/giphy.gif

[nutella]

i do not really comprehend how i am unaligned with rask when we have been french kissing in front of the player list all game

youre right i should have rask/cape/syn rask/dya/syn and rask/lapras/syn there probably

[nutella]

vote: Lapras

nutella: in a v!you world, team is exactly Boq/Dya/Lapras.

At this point I have doubts on you but none of Lapras so might as well vote him.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/kaBU6pgv0OsPHz2yxy/giphy.gif

alright works for me

[Boquise]

i never blamed anyone for wisdom's flip

what

why should i think you are anything but fine. you yelled for days about how the case on you amounted to little more than a lhf activity read. do you think you're being suspicious? why do I have to think you're suspicious?

You wrote this:


in essence it was a total dismissal of pressure on them as a joke between friends, when it wasn't.

and tbh i based a lot of my read off of how nutella and vulgard treated them, and to a lesser extent, cape

vulgard had that spat of posts where he worded them in such a way that he could take credit for either way wisdom's alignment ended up being, and I thought it was for cred when wisdom flipped wolf. just really wishy-washy posting where it only gains weight in hindsight after the flip

which is you saying that you put a lot of your read on how -other- players treated Wisdom (which should be in reverse). To me that's pointing a finger at other people

I am not saying that. I am saying that "fine" is not really a lot. I expected more at either alignment direction in the read, not just "fine".

[Achro]

vote: lapras

Look nutella I'm bussing

[nutella]

vote: lapras

Look nutella I'm bussing



hype

[dyachei]

i think the way you've handled pushes this game is wolfy, particularly the push on me

you've only pushed me when i wasn't actually going to flip, and you haven't cared about it enough to push it over

your other wolfreads you haven't seemed to care about either, you had concerns about visor but when i asked you if you wanted to push them with me d2 you basically said no, the way you're reading cape right now is also quite dismissive ("i don't want to read him," "i can die as his "w/w partner""), you're basically acknowledging that he could be a wolf but you're treating this as something of no import whatsoever

your loudest push by far is the push on me, but again it's something that's been recurring but never actually made likely, i literally just played a game with v!you where you pushed w!neopest and in that game it was abundantly clear that you were burying her

i recognize that this is a casual game but you just haven't seemed to care about actually getting your wolfreads killed which i find particularly wolfy for you because i know that you do make it clear when you're a villager and you've literally just made it clear in a game we played together

---

in regard to disingenuous vs not disingenuous, this is more subjective i guess but i really think i have been solving, it's just not solving with a lot of isoing and depth i suppose but it's still solving

i also find it disingenuous for another reason, and that reason is simple: other people aren't solving either. in fact, ender had barely been solving before he claimed md (though i now understand why). visor wasn't solving at all, either, though he was pr as well, i guess. syn doesn't seem like he's solving, he's just offering takes sometimes. he had a segment where he stubbornly attached to a world of three on day 2 and that was basically all the solving he did that day as far as my memory serves me. then there's lapras who has barely existed this game.

i'm not saying these people are all wolves (though i guess that's possible). i'm also not bringing this up because "oh woe is me how am i getting pushed when others are like me as well!!!," that's not really a factor. it simply feels like you just chose me as a target here because you think it's easier to push that line against me than it is to push that line against the others (lapras has admitted he doesn't have much time for this game, syn might just be playing like this i don't know, visor is visor). it could also be because the others are wolves, or contain a wolf, but even if i assume all three of us are villagers, i'm presumably the easiest player to push against in this way. you don't seem to be holding the 'not really solving' argument as strongly against other players as you are holding it against me right now, and i feel like you're phoning in your reads on them + cape because you don't actually care to solve them, you just want to get me killed

vulgard, I've played with Syn and Lapras more times than I've played with you.

In lapras ISo, he actually does more solving than almost nayone in the thread is giving him credit for. He's not making a ton of waves, it's true, and i have some concerns there. however, he's also a new father and there's more nuance to his reads than "it's not fair you're calling me a wolf because my name is vulgard"

as for syn, I recently played in a game with him where he played almost identically to this. He was town. He did the same things where he didnt really listen to people and did his own thing. I have said it's possible for him to be a wolf. I just don't think so

also nutella, this one is directed at you.

Stop saying all the same things I have said then calling me a wolf. it's getting old

either learn to read me or just elim me

[Boquise]

he saved you d1 and disparaged the push on you d2, it would be pretty overt but it is there

Man if he is a wolf and I get chained to that flip