Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Raskolnikov]

i have two very good reasons to think wisdom is a wolf, won’t say she’s outed but it’s the most likely hit fmpov

i have one decent reason to suspect boq is town

if anyone wants to solve in wisdom w worlds that would be appreciated

talk to me about these two reads.

[robyn]

i am very tempted to out joat purely because they deserve to die for their play

wolves probably know too because it’s breadcrumbed, i am embarrassed that such a player was allowed to play this game

[robyn]

talk to me about these two reads.

not yet, that comes later

needless to say it’s strong enough for me to force a wisdom chop today

[Raskolnikov]

i am very tempted to out joat purely because they deserve to die for their play

wolves probably know too because it’s breadcrumbed, i am embarrassed that such a player was allowed to play this game

lmao. don't out them pls. (I know ur joat read lmao)

[Vulgard]

i have two very good reasons to think wisdom is a wolf, won’t say she’s outed but it’s the most likely hit fmpov

i have one decent reason to suspect boq is town

if anyone wants to solve in wisdom w worlds that would be appreciated

i think they could be w/w to be honest because of boq's defense of the slot from earlier

i did say i agreed with the principles of that defense but that doesn't mean it didn't come from a wolf and frankly idt i should rely on this

if i ignore that argument entirely then i really have no reason to call wisdom town here

what are your reasons for wisdom w?

[robyn]

it’s 4pm in the land of sweden

i will give wisdom 8h before i bury her to prove that she’s town

normally i’d listen to illario and wait until d3 but i need a pelt by any means necessary

and i do have a strong enough case mentally prepped and a wolf tell she’s committed to successfully chop her

[Raskolnikov]

Haven't done nka yet but I'm pretty sure ladd died for being ladd rather than being right, although most of that is based on him wolf reading me wrongly.


Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro

robyn look at this for instance.

It's pretty clear to me Wisdom is posting this on the fly and has no hindsights on ladd's reads (since ladd had also Boq/Lapras POEd)
looks like a villa perspertive to me (remembering reads on their slot, but not the full picture) as opposed to someone who just chat about the NK the previous night.

[robyn]

i’m gonna be mad if it’s wisdom/dya/x

[Raskolnikov]

Haven't done nka yet but I'm pretty sure ladd died for being ladd rather than being right, although most of that is based on him wolf reading me wrongly.


Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard
<Sorry everyone else that I forgot>

ngl robyn I excluded that possibility out of this post but maybe that's dumb. I have been attached too much to micro reads this game heh

[robyn]

robyn look at this for instance.

It's pretty clear to me Wisdom is posting this on the fly and has no hindsights on ladd's reads (since ladd had also Boq/Lapras POEd)
looks like a villa perspertive to me (remembering reads on their slot, but not the full picture) as opposed to someone who just chat about the NK the previous night.

nice critical thinking, sucks that you’re off base though

those posts are heinous and they’re textbook wisdom wolf posts

also sucks that dz/boq are very probably town, achro too but less confidence

[Vulgard]

i can get behind wisdom's reads though

i'm wrong somewhere for sure

[Wisdom]

i have two very good reasons to think wisdom is a wolf, won?t say she?s outed but it?s the most likely hit fmpov

i have one decent reason to suspect boq is town

if anyone wants to solve in wisdom w worlds that would be appreciated

Glhf :3

[Wisdom]

Town:
Cape
Nutella
Syn
Rask?
Visor?

[robyn]

wisdom what’s your read on me?

can you offer some elaboration on your wolf/town reads and general gamestate stuff

[dyachei]

this is gonna sound dumb but when I went back to boq's iso to try and find the post for illario, his iso looked fine. I don't really think he's a wolf

rask is still probably a villager to me

vote: visor

but this guy is not. I don't feel like he's trying to evaluate me, it feels more like he's trying to get me elimmed instead

[Wisdom]

it’s 4pm in the land of sweden

i will give wisdom 8h before i bury her to prove that she’s town

normally i’d listen to illario and wait until d3 but i need a pelt by any means necessary

and i do have a strong enough case mentally prepped and a wolf tell she’s committed to successfully chop her

Probably not what you need to hear but Illario sucks at reading me overall, and ladd's decently good.

I have no idea why they decided to switch account this game.

[Wisdom]

wisdom what’s your read on me?

can you offer some elaboration on your wolf/town reads and general gamestate stuff

I read you as dying and will flip without my help.

I'll try to do a proper post when I'm home!

[Raskolnikov]

Haven't done nka yet but I'm pretty sure ladd died for being ladd rather than being right, although most of that is based on him wolf reading me wrongly.


I read you as dying and will flip without my help.

I'll try to do a proper post when I'm home!

ok this is a post from a wolf lol

[Raskolnikov]

a wolf who wants robyn to out the joat lmao

[robyn]

Probably not what you need to hear but Illario sucks at reading me overall, and ladd's decently good.

I have no idea why they decided to switch account this game.
ladd didn’t tr
illario didn’t wanna kill you today
i’ve also never misread you

i am being original in my reads and you have 8h to get out of wolf meta which you’re in

i’ve just read two of your games

so please, elaborate on your reads and gamestate and whatnot

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Wisdom :curtain:

[dyachei]

vote: Wisdom :curtain:

this is fine, too

[Achro]

Dya did you ever figure out how to read me?

[robyn]

I read you as dying and will flip without my help.

I'll try to do a proper post when I'm home!

but that’s not why i’m asking for a read on me, i don’t care what it is, i’m looking for town wisdom to be clear in her thoughts about me and everything else

you have 8h

[Achro]

I read you as dying and will flip without my help.

I'll try to do a proper post when I'm home!

Damn Wisdom with the elbow drop from the top rope.

[dyachei]

Dya did you ever figure out how to read me?

not really, no

[Achro]

not really, no

Ever consider asking me questions? That usually helps.

[dyachei]

Ever consider asking me questions? That usually helps.

i mean reading your posts hasnt really helped me to this point, so will it?

[Vulgard]

this is fine, too

did you read cape and rask's cases on boq? what did you think about them?

[dyachei]

ik, im not as concerned about solving you considering how many other people think you're town rn

I'm more concerned with solving people like lapras and visor

[dyachei]

did you read cape and rask's cases on boq? what did you think about them?

i read them, they didnt really resonate with me as necessarily wolfy and not just boq?

[robyn]

dya will you play more this cycle?

your play this game is alien from poker and persona mash

and that’s for reasons other than activity, my primary concern is read accuracy and solving which you haven’t shown thus far

if you do, solve wisdom/boq/ender/dz

ignore visor, he comes later as either alignment

[dyachei]

dya will you play more this cycle?

your play this game is alien from poker and persona mash

and that’s for reasons other than activity, my primary concern is read accuracy and solving which you haven’t shown thus far

if you do, solve wisdom/boq/ender/dz

ignore visor, he comes later as either alignment

yeah, i think your reads suck, robyn

sorry, i think your read accuracy is worse than mine because you have me, a villager, in your poe of 3

[dyachei]

dya will you play more this cycle?

your play this game is alien from poker and persona mash

and that’s for reasons other than activity, my primary concern is read accuracy and solving which you haven’t shown thus far

if you do, solve wisdom/boq/ender/dz

ignore visor, he comes later as either alignment

and like I have solved boq

I think wisdom is likely a wolf

remember what her read on me yesterday was? towny because of 1 post

she doesn't even mention that post today at all or anything I've done today, which others agree is more normal villager play for me, and votes me instead

[dyachei]

im not going to ignore visor because i think he's a wolf

Im not going to solve in the way you think solving should happen because I play my own game

[Vulgard]

i read them, they didnt really resonate with me as necessarily wolfy and not just boq?

i don't know how that's the case for you

cape said boq was playing to his wolf meta in regard to his read on cape, explained why and how

rask said boq made up a fake argument that has no basis in reality and that boq's read on him has been narrow and weak (the latter of which i agree with, the former of which i understand his reasoning about)

boq's wolfread on rask has indeed been pretty stale and unchanging, it's also the closest thing he has to an actual wolfread that he believes in so it being so unexplained and not strongly pursued is extra wolfy, doesn't seem like he's actually hunting

i feel like all of the above would be wolfy for anyone and not just boq, so why is it "just boq?"

[Achro]

i mean reading your posts hasnt really helped me to this point, so will it?

I guess not.

Man maybe I need to join a book club or something, this game is so surreal to me tbh. New site format + just the wild way my thread presence has been lol.

[Vulgard]

i'm starting to think it's two in boq/wisdom/dya

[Wisdom]

ladd didn?t tr
illario didn?t wanna kill you today
i?ve also never misread you

i am being original in my reads and you have 8h to get out of wolf meta which you?re in

i?ve just read two of your games

so please, elaborate on your reads and gamestate and whatnot

You can't call it wolf meta if I'm town lol, just means your way of reading me is flawed ^^

[robyn]

im not going to ignore visor because i think he's a wolf

Im not going to solve in the way you think solving should happen because I play my own game

normally this is permissible

unfortunately i'm on a clock, gotta deal with you now and i understand that you've been inactive d1 because of work

i don't ask you to change your process, i ask you to participate more so that i can see poker and persona mash dya, not this dya

you do understand nearly everyone has poe'd you because of your play around the illario chop

i'm gunning for you and visor is too, why do you treat me as villager and him as wolf?

[Vulgard]

im not going to ignore visor because i think he's a wolf

Im not going to solve in the way you think solving should happen because I play my own game

i can sorta see the take on visor because he hasn't really been playing but what do you think he's done that was actually ai? for me the worst thing is that he's been continually hinting he has suspicions on rask but has postponed explaining them for a long time which is similar to what boq's doing

he has the irl excuse so it's not as wolfy from him but it's still something that bothers me

[Vulgard]

actually it's worse from boq because visor hasn't been trying to masquerade it as a legitimate push

[dyachei]

normally this is permissible

unfortunately i'm on a clock, gotta deal with you now and i understand that you've been inactive d1 because of work

i don't ask you to change your process, i ask you to participate more so that i can see poker and persona mash dya, not this dya

you do understand nearly everyone has poe'd you because of your play around the illario chop

i'm gunning for you and visor is too, why do you treat me as villager and him as wolf?

you understand that mashes and small games are very different right?

my play around the illario chop is never how i treat that as a wolf and if you guys cant see that im not sure i want to stay alive this game

[dyachei]

i can sorta see the take on visor because he hasn't really been playing but what do you think he's done that was actually ai? for me the worst thing is that he's been continually hinting he has suspicions on rask but has postponed explaining them for a long time which is similar to what boq's doing

he has the irl excuse so it's not as wolfy from him but it's still something that bothers me

i literally asked him straight out while he was in thread why rask and he ignored me

but really the most egregious thing to me is he isnt trying to solve me like he usually does. he's just kind of free floating into a miselim on me

[Vulgard]

i'm starting to think it's two in boq/wisdom/dya

i don't think it's all three because if all three played around each other the way that they have done then it's a collective throw

[Achro]

I get a little lost sometimes when discussion of meta on boq/wisdom/dya comes up tbh.

I see what's in front of me and try my best to go with it but don't have any real authority.

I will say that Dya teams killing ladd really seems on the nose (I said this at day open but no one but cape read it)

[dyachei]

i don't know how that's the case for you

cape said boq was playing to his wolf meta in regard to his read on cape, explained why and how

rask said boq made up a fake argument that has no basis in reality and that boq's read on him has been narrow and weak (the latter of which i agree with, the former of which i understand his reasoning about)

boq's wolfread on rask has indeed been pretty stale and unchanging, it's also the closest thing he has to an actual wolfread that he believes in so it being so unexplained and not strongly pursued is extra wolfy, doesn't seem like he's actually hunting

i feel like all of the above would be wolfy for anyone and not just boq, so why is it "just boq?"

i could be wrong on boq but when i read his posts i didnt come away with boq wolf

and like the fake argument thing feels like something a wolf wouldnt actually do because people would find it...

[dyachei]

I get a little lost sometimes when discussion of meta on boq/wisdom/dya comes up tbh.

I see what's in front of me and try my best to go with it but don't have any real authority.

I will say that Dya teams killing ladd really seems on the nose (I said this at day open but no one but cape read it)

yeah this is really not a good read because ladd is known for being a very good villager and a lot of people kill him n1

[Vulgard]

I get a little lost sometimes when discussion of meta on boq/wisdom/dya comes up tbh.

I see what's in front of me and try my best to go with it but don't have any real authority.

I will say that Dya teams killing ladd really seems on the nose (I said this at day open but no one but cape read it)

so you're saying one of ladd's last susses being dya is actually an argument in dya's favor?

[Vulgard]

i literally asked him straight out while he was in thread why rask and he ignored me

but really the most egregious thing to me is he isnt trying to solve me like he usually does. he's just kind of free floating into a miselim on me

i don't feel like he's trying to solve anyone to be honest

he told me "later" when i asked about rask

i'm just not sure if that makes him a wolf rather than someone super busy

but if he's super busy then i guess he shouldn't have personal susses at all and should just sheep? idk this doesn't seem like a great line of reasoning

[Vulgard]

i don't feel like he's trying to solve anyone to be honest

he told me "later" when i asked about rask

i'm just not sure if that makes him a wolf rather than someone super busy

but if he's super busy then i guess he shouldn't have personal susses at all and should just sheep? idk this doesn't seem like a great line of reasoning

i mean he has reads he's just not really acting upon them

[Achro]

so you're saying one of ladd's last susses being dya is actually an argument in dya's favor?

Ladd's dying breath going 'dya is scum' and then Ladd flipping seems a little '?' to me

It's what led me to Boq. Ladd proved willing to vote Boq, but Ladd ended on Dya.

So sure an argument can be made for Dya because Ladd was big on Dya not being good.

But Ladd was also a likely vote against boq if things came to it.

[dyachei]

i don't feel like he's trying to solve anyone to be honest

he told me "later" when i asked about rask

i'm just not sure if that makes him a wolf rather than someone super busy

but if he's super busy then i guess he shouldn't have personal susses at all and should just sheep? idk this doesn't seem like a great line of reasoning

he's allowed to have personal susses, but how hard is it to give 1 line of non specific reasoning?

[robyn]

kill boq, if town turbo wisdom/dya if town

kill boq, if scum there's two wolves who aren't wisdom/dya

which means one in achro/dz

and last wolf is left for town so town doesn't fucking int like n1

that's about where i'm at atm

Vulgard

i had this thought 200 posts ago

i had ladd's team +1 before him

can i count on you to sheep me to a somewhat higher degree than normal?

if yes, your only job this cycle is to read ender/dz very closely and present your findings to the thread

[Vulgard]

he's allowed to have personal susses, but how hard is it to give 1 line of non specific reasoning?

yeah i get where you're coming from and i'm mulling it over

[Vulgard]

Vulgard

i had this thought 200 posts ago

i had ladd's team +1 before him

can i count on you to sheep me to a somewhat higher degree than normal?

if yes, your only job this cycle is to read ender/dz very closely and present your findings to the thread

wait you think it's neither wisdom nor dya if boq is a wolf? i forgot about that post

i should indeed read ender and dz again so i'll do it either way

[Vulgard]

Ladd's dying breath going 'dya is scum' and then Ladd flipping seems a little '?' to me

It's what led me to Boq. Ladd proved willing to vote Boq, but Ladd ended on Dya.

So sure an argument can be made for Dya because Ladd was big on Dya not being good.

But Ladd was also a likely vote against boq if things came to it.

oh okay i see what you mean

i think it's 50/50 though

[robyn]

wait you think it's neither wisdom nor dya if boq is a wolf? i forgot about that post

i should indeed read ender and dz again so i'll do it either way

you should iso me, i've done some good work this cycle

[Achro]

oh okay i see what you mean

i think it's 50/50 though

Well yeah

Either I am right or I am not.

50/50

[Vulgard]

Well yeah

Either I am right or I am not.

50/50

that's not what i meant isejgisrzngiolkrng

[robyn]

funnily enough i am still not out of my wolf range or meta

[Vulgard]

that's not what i meant isejgisrzngiolkrng

i meant that this is wifom and therefore a bit of a coinflip


funnily enough i am still not out of my wolf range or meta

i actually thought for a second that maybe you were trying to get an ML before flipping W with that post directed at me

[dyachei]

Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why


Visor is absolutely not towny


Good morning.

Robyn was a bad poison and their reaction makes that super clear
Visor its not that i find you scummy its that your explicitly not towny

My time will be limited to Sunday but ill probs just hang out
these probably make lapras/visor not w/w

[robyn]

i meant that this is wifom and therefore a bit of a coinflip



i actually thought for a second that maybe you were trying to get an ML before flipping W with that post directed at me

i'm really good at forcing chops as wolf

this time i have to do it as town out of necessity

i believe the wisdom case will be sufficiently compelling

[dyachei]

Sorry for my performance today, I realize my brain isn't in top shape.

Vote: Illario

Didn't wanna self pres because I prefer doing my own thing and it's 90min left so neither me nor Illario is getting yeeted anyway because I know how much you guys love flash wagons, so voting Illario is kinda meh.

Had I been able to be up for another hour I might have given Boquise some attention because his play this game is confusing me.

Nutella town lol, sorry for not realizing earlier.

G'night!

so they didnt want an illario wagon earlier, then came back and did this

this with the calling me towny and then voting me today seems sus

vote: wisdom

[dyachei]

fwiw reading wisdom's iso, i do think she could be w/w with boq

[Vulgard]

i'm going to read ender

[dyachei]

i feel like if wisdom were v she would fight for her reads and she's not doing that here

[robyn]

ty for the good and towny solving dya

can you do me a favor try to form concrete reads on ender/rask this cycle?

[nutella]

\
Frankly Boquise is just an outed wolf lol. I mean if you are a villager :laugh4:

You have been tunneling me without reason, coasting, ending off wagon at EOD1, still riding it lol.

vote: Boquise

bad post friend


I just wanna point out this was the entire thing on Rask and why Rask is scum. It is so strange and Boq wasn't straightforweard about his rask push until a bunch of posts later. Giving the reason of suspectinv Rask when he shaded nutella when nutella walked back their scumread on boq which to me looks like a self-awareness thing. I guess there was motivation for checking Rask as ender was an early Boq townread for "being relatable" whatever that means.

Anyways I rate boq's comeback to the thread a you should probably still kill this slot out of 10.

ok sure idk i think theyre a diff check atp and if boq is v we yeet rask into the sun because i am not liking what hes doing so far today (inb4 im chaining mischops again)


Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...

yeaaah i also had the sense lapras was sort of perspective slipping boq as wolf there but i am not sure if i just read it wrong


Also regarding the first part. This should actually show that I am town. I am not planning out my reads and my thought posts are not completely in sync because they evolve while I write

So thanks for clearing me Cape tbh

friendo i want to believe this when i see you post thought processes like that, believe me i do


i'm flip flopping between like, boq/lapras/x world and rask/ender?/cape?? world rn or something

stay tuned for more catchup weathervaning

[dyachei]

ty for the good and towny solving dya

can you do me a favor try to form concrete reads on ender/rask this cycle?

thought rask was town d1 and i read ender off associations so it's too early for me to get a handle on him

[robyn]

boq/dz hard unaligned

this is a threadstate read nobody will remember but one which will be accurate that i'll site in post game

another reason boq is v is because he's unaligned with so many people

[dyachei]

someone explain the rask case because it seems pretty nebulous

[dyachei]

you guys probably have me for an hour before the baby wakes up

[nutella]

oh

wisdom/rask/visor


maybe


(robyn's confidence on wisdom around 1500 is altering my pov again)

[nutella]

not sure if visor/rask would have the interactions theyve had as w/w but its a thought

[nutella]

i am really wanting the boq/lapras world to be true but if it's not i am def seeing wisdom/rask now

[Raskolnikov]

someone explain the rask case because it seems pretty nebulous

fwiw it's not really a case. But Boq has been voting me for 2 days for reasons that don't exist (he has posted I started to shade nutella once they cooled down on him, which is just not true). and I was his sole wolf read D1.

[nutella]

i'm not really there on visor being the third for another reason than the rask interactions but he does need to do more

[dyachei]

fwiw it's not really a case. But Boq has been voting me for 2 days for reasons that don't exist (he has posted I started to shade nutella once they cooled down on him, which is just not true). and I was his sole wolf read D1.

half these people think boq is a wolf so why are they seriously considering that in reading you?

[Raskolnikov]

nutella I am not sure what to tell you if you read my iso and you think "this is Wisdom's partner".

[Raskolnikov]

half these people think boq is a wolf so why are they seriously considering that in reading you?

not sure wym here

[Raskolnikov]

i am very tempted to out joat purely because they deserve to die for their play

wolves probably know too because it?s breadcrumbed, i am embarrassed that such a player was allowed to play this game


wisdom what?s your read on me?

can you offer some elaboration on your wolf/town reads and general gamestate stuff


I read you as dying and will flip without my help.

I'll try to do a proper post when I'm home!


ok this is a post from a wolf lol


a wolf who wants robyn to out the joat lmao

nutella. I am prolly not unvoting Wisdom here lol

[nutella]

i don't know how that's the case for you

cape said boq was playing to his wolf meta in regard to his read on cape, explained why and how

rask said boq made up a fake argument that has no basis in reality and that boq's read on him has been narrow and weak (the latter of which i agree with, the former of which i understand his reasoning about)

boq's wolfread on rask has indeed been pretty stale and unchanging, it's also the closest thing he has to an actual wolfread that he believes in so it being so unexplained and not strongly pursued is extra wolfy, doesn't seem like he's actually hunting

i feel like all of the above would be wolfy for anyone and not just boq, so why is it "just boq?"


i'm starting to think it's two in boq/wisdom/dya

oh no


the paranoia is creeping in

[nutella]

maybe syn was right about vulgards wisdom stuff LMAO


vote: wisdom

[nutella]

wait shit whats vc

[dyachei]

not sure wym here

half the people talking about you being a wolf think boq is a wolf. Do they think his push on you is w/w specific?

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1586

wisdom 4 syn raskolnikov dyachei nutella
boquise 3 achro boquise vulgard
dyachei 1 wisdom
raskolnikov 1 visor

Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23

[Achro]

I suppose this is a good time to ask someone who might know if Boq self-voting is AI in either direction

[robyn]

I suppose this is a good time to ask someone who might know if Boq self-voting is AI in either direction

very towny, because goes against his wolfing philosophy

not because it's self voting ate etc etc whatever

it's just not what w!boq does and i don't think he can fool me, he has had good posts too, i just need to iso him a bit more thoroughly

[robyn]

Achro can you do a longer and more decisive post on vulgard before this cycle ends

[Wisdom]

so they didnt want an illario wagon earlier, then came back and did this

this with the calling me towny and then voting me today seems sus

vote: wisdom

I called you towny based on your opening only, cmon now, you can't expect that to be a read I'd stick with, especially since it wasn't as obv!town as some of your opening posts have been before.

[Achro]

very towny, because goes against his wolfing philosophy

not because it's self voting ate etc etc whatever

it's just not what w!boq does and i don't think he can fool me, he has had good posts too, i just need to iso him a bit more thoroughly

Boq/Lapras would make me feel very clever though.

... Which probably mean its wrong rip

I need to play more games with you all tbh, there's so many conversations going on here that I just can't speak in.

[Wisdom]

i feel like if wisdom were v she would fight for her reads and she's not doing that here

Because I'm barely here and don't have reasons to fight for my reads since the ones I care about are pretty much consensus anyway.

[Achro]

Achro can you do a longer and more decisive post on vulgard before this cycle ends

With the available flips probably not. Vulgard is someone I have only seen as town and I know he is a skilled scum player so I am not sure where all of the puzzle pieces fit with him. He's for sure town if my Boq/Lapras theory is right tho.

Were you looking for something specific?

[robyn]

With the available flips probably not. Vulgard is someone I have only seen as town and I know he is a skilled scum player so I am not sure where all of the puzzle pieces fit with him. He's for sure town if my Boq/Lapras theory is right tho.

Were you looking for something specific?

like an evaluative summary/analysis on his alignment and pushes

tldr figure out probable unpairings and his agenda

just lean town/scum, neither a vote or a vote out

you have the wim and it'll be really helpful for me + thread

[dyachei]

Because I'm barely here and don't have reasons to fight for my reads since the ones I care about are pretty much consensus anyway.

you thought illario was v and shrug voted him yesterday

why

[Achro]

like an evaluative summary/analysis on his alignment and pushes

tldr figure out probable unpairings and his agenda

just lean town/scum, neither a vote or a vote out

you have the wim and it'll be really helpful for me + thread

oh, yes we have different definitions of decisive lol. I will do that sometime tomorrow morning when I have a block of time.

[Wisdom]

you thought illario was v and shrug voted him yesterday

why

I didn't think he was v
Had him as null
And we were tied wagons when I went to bed
And I got shamed for no voting
Trying to yeet someone I don't have a read on > Getting yeeted, I figured.

Would have voted Boq if the wagon existed then though, which I also pointed out.

[dyachei]

Oh I forgot about *you*, I think you're town.

I don't have a read on Illario either way really. I have a few town tells on him which he hasn't triggered, so while I don't feel like voting him I don't really object to him getting wagoned either.


I didn't think he was v
Had him as null
And we were tied wagons when I went to bed
And I got shamed for no voting
Trying to yeet someone I don't have a read on > Getting yeeted, I figured.

Would have voted Boq if the wagon existed then though, which I also pointed out.

fair enough

what post of mind did you find towny and what makes you think im a wolf now

[Wisdom]

fair enough

what post of mind did you find towny and what makes you think im a wolf now

I don't remember your opening, but it was that. Now you feel mostly PoE to me, I've had an easy time finding you as town a few times before and I don't know which could imply that you're wolfing.

[Wisdom]

I also wanted to see Boq's reaction when I tried to get him to join me on you instead of self voting but that was disappointing.

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[Boquise]

I made a post hours ago responding to Cape but the internet was wacko so it never showed up

Sad

[Boquise]

I also wanted to see Boq's reaction when I tried to get him to join me on you instead of self voting but that was disappointing.

Why should i want to vote a player that i just began town reading without any sort of explanation lol

[Boquise]

boq/dz hard unaligned

this is a threadstate read nobody will remember but one which will be accurate that i'll site in post game

another reason boq is v is because he's unaligned with so many people

Why can't I be like visor
Do absolutely nothing and coast without being everybody's favorite topic

Why isn't Rask saying v?sor is coasting
Hmmmmm

[Boquise]

Perhaps it is because i am so cute

[Wisdom]

Why should i want to vote a player that i just began town reading without any sort of explanation lol

Didn't know you town read them, I just winged it because I wanted you to get out of your self voting slump <3

[Boquise]

Didn't know you town read them, I just winged it because I wanted you to get out of your self voting slump <3

That's very kind of you tbh
I will keep my town read on you

Why was my reaction a disappointment?

[Wisdom]

That's very kind of you tbh
I will keep my town read on you

Why was my reaction a disappointment?

Because "I town read them" was boring as it didn't force you to decide if you'd join me or not.

[Boquise]

Because "I town read them" was boring as it didn't force you to decide if you'd join me or not.

I think me not voting with you showed a decision tho lmao

[Boquise]

Like is this thread trying to make me trip into super level 0 scum slips here or

The disrespect of my play is unreal

[Boquise]

Like is this thread trying to make me trip into super level 0 scum slips here or

The disrespect of my play is unreal

And then get mad when i don't smh

[Boquise]

Why is wisdom considered a wolf

[dyachei]

Why is wisdom considered a wolf

i dont like how wishy washy she's being with her reads

[Boquise]

i dont like how wishy washy she's being with her reads

I haven't read most of Wisdom's reads but i think their progression of me is townie

[Boquise]

I am currently at the men's toilet, listening to a guy talking to a spouse and it was very loud and clear

Was like walking into a sitcom lmao

[dyachei]

i could go lapras or wisdom today I think

[Cape90]

Probably town poisoned:
Robyn

My collective townhouses:
Nutella
Vulgard

My construction sites:
Syn
Dyachei
Cape90

My Red Tape Hell:
Visor
Raskol

My rejected projects:
Lapras
Achro
Wisdom
Boq

Behold my definitely not consensus reads list.

Since robyn asked for it.

I'm NGL I expected me to be lower

[Cape90]

i might as well say now that a major reason i think achro could be a wolf is that he isn't rping anymore

which sounds extremely dumb but hear me out

if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of that

this sounds like a meme argument, but i do think this is a legitimate tell. from a villager pov, you feel free to roleplay because you don't feel the pressure for your posts to be traditionally read as good, you just want to do your own thing. and from your pov, catching wolves is something you can still do while roleplaying. wolves do want their posts to look good so they can stay alive, so by extension, even if they do decide to roleplay, once they find it too challenging to continue they will simply stop doing it

revealing this tell is likely going to make it less accurate going forward, but i do think it's legit and it's a major reason why i think achro could be a wolf here

it was accurate even as recently as the omega strikers game on fol, which ender was in and where he roleplayed - as town. there were also other people who roleplayed, and they were also town

towny argument

[Boquise]

So can we talk about how Visor and Ender are doing nothing whilst I am on fire tbh

[nutella]

so i debated whether i would say this out loud or at least wait til eod in case i die tn but i currently think that if wisdom flips w the other two are exactly vulgard and cape

both are pushing p hard to resolve boq today (sidenote that achro is too but he feels more like town to me now), i think it is quite possible that vulgard deliberately went for the hard pocket of me and once i caught a seed of paranoia he doesnt feel that lock town knowing hes a good wolf, cape pushed the cw yday in a way i think was generally wolfy and is now pulling sources to back up the boq push but idk it feels less right and wisdom feels more like a hit to me atm, both are just like good wolves in their ranges and influencing the thread to all the right degrees and pushing all the right buttons to position themselves well and emulate solving


idk how much ill stick with this view (lolme) but it's been kind of working in the back of my head all day and kinda clicked in the shower and *feels* like the kind of team we have in this gamestate

[nutella]

towny argument

epic xpost tbh

[nutella]

So can we talk about how Visor and Ender are doing nothing whilst I am on fire tbh


those two slots are definitely in my to be looked at pile as well, ender's readlist was uninspired af but he could be ok. im more concerned with how cape and vulgard are handling this day and pushing for you to be the elim over wisdom

if wisdom is town it's less of a thing but i currently think theyre a hit and youre not

[Cape90]

I am just gonna write another post because what Boq is saying is just not true.

I voted nutella very early D1 because they had no content and wanted someone to react to it. Vulg did by saying he liked the vote on nutella.

I later said I liked nut's streak of posts when they reentered the thread, but mentionned it was a surface level read.



I linked them with Vulg because of the way Nutella TRed Vulg out of his posting style in several quotes they produced itt, which to me wasn't convincing (seomeone else mentionnned it).

I then sussed nutella because of the joat joke they made. and voted them again.

Then Boq entered the thread and sussed nutella. There were several posts but these are the last where he talks about nutella before voting me.





These and Visor posting "nutella/Wisdom ww" strenghtened my hidden sus on nutella (I don't think I posted about nut after the post I gave them a surface-level town read).

---------------------------------


l8r on I cooled down on nutella (other people reads impacting mine and other stuff I don't wanna go into here), but the point is that I pretty clearly have been flipflopping on the slot a lot.



So Boq's reason to vote me doesn't exist in the first place. That he is pushing the misrep on me is just laughable tbh.

The way he has been townreading nutella since the posts I quote above is not clear to me either.

I thought it was just me being tired the way it made 0 sense

[Cape90]

visor prolly just a wolf for suggesting my name without actual reasonning for 2 days now. also doing nothing but associative reads smh.

what was ur early visor TR based on?

[Cape90]

I commit hard as wolf a lot too. Did it in the anon game that illario mentioned. (I RPed as Aro the entire game up to what was going to be my death and I was wolf.)

Me committing to RP is just a character trait.

I am not going to assign someone else's willingness to hold RP an AI value.

correct as you were RPing as Sokka

[nutella]

also vulgards achro thing is incredibly lol

in fact i feel like ive usually seen the opposite argument, that dropping rp is towny bc town prioritizes actually solving/communicating and rp falls away in favor of natural posting while a wolf would keep the limit imposed

i think either way is completely whatever as an argument and entirely depends on the player and i think if anything it's on the towny side for achro

[EnderWiggin]

I'm NGL I expected me to be lower

Why?

[EnderWiggin]

So can we talk about how Visor and Ender are doing nothing whilst I am on fire tbh

The benefits of having a fire extinguisher.

[EnderWiggin]

also vulgards achro thing is incredibly lol

in fact i feel like ive usually seen the opposite argument, that dropping rp is towny bc town prioritizes actually solving/communicating and rp falls away in favor of natural posting while a wolf would keep the limit imposed

i think either way is completely whatever as an argument and entirely depends on the player and i think if anything it's on the towny side for achro

This is the correct take.

RP things are 100% player dependant and anything else is skewed confirmation bias or anecdotal evidence.

[Cape90]

I am totally factoring the fact you used one of Syns post to push that picture on me fwiw :curtain:

Whats up with my dya stuff? Whats my dya stuff? I dont even recall having a read there?


how i fell rn:

syn, visor, ladd, ender, vulgard, robyn, dyachei are prolly town

nutella, cape, lapras, boquise, achro to be sorted

wisdom

you put dya in probably town here. You haven't talked about dya before or after this.

[EnderWiggin]

Also you can't call out my list for being uninspiring when I already have.

Checkmate atheist.

[Boquise]

Probably town poisoned:
Robyn

My collective townhouses:
Nutella
Vulgard

My construction sites:
Syn
Dyachei
Cape90

My Red Tape Hell:
Visor
Raskol

My rejected projects:
Lapras
Achro
Wisdom
Boq

Behold my definitely not consensus reads list.

Since robyn asked for it.

So are you scum reading me because everyone is or do you have an original idea tbh

[Cape90]

i just realized Syn was making a pun on when Rask said "how I fell rn" instead of feel

what is wrong with me

[Cape90]

Why?

you thinking my initial push on you was BS day 1 and the continuous "try and meta read me while pushing me, u cant ahahha" comments

[EnderWiggin]

So are you scum reading me because everyone is or do you have an original idea tbh

Nah all my takes are bargain basement.

[Boquise]

Nah all my takes are bargain basement.

Vote: Ender
Oki

[Visor]

wdyt re rask/wis/boq/dya/lapras

cape?

[EnderWiggin]

you thinking my initial push on you was BS day 1 and the continuous "try and meta read me while pushing me, u cant ahahha" comments

I'm gonna be honest I forgot that even happened.

I just know I read your posts catching up and felt kinda okay with you.

But that's weird because I scumread you so often that I don't know if it's me being omega brained or if I'm just starting to get familiar with you.

Or maybe you're wolf and I've realised that.

Idk.

But you read townier than the chaff so you get less chaff slot.

[Cape90]

Cape, i just read more of ur stuff. Think I had ur suss wrong indeed (re Boq lol)

oh okay

i also made the meta post for nutella because they were curious

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Ender
Oki

Oh noooooooooo.

I forgot my popcorn.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Robyn lied about meta-diving me.

They're outed.

(For legal reasons this is a joke.)

[Boquise]

Oh noooooooooo.

I forgot my popcorn.

Why are you making a show out of it tbh

[Cape90]

i am very tempted to out joat purely because they deserve to die for their play

wolves probably know too because it?s breadcrumbed, i am embarrassed that such a player was allowed to play this game

im sorry robyn i should have not poisoned you :curtain:

[EnderWiggin]

Why are you making a show out of it tbh

Cause I'm bored?

And it sounded funny in my head.

[EnderWiggin]

im sorry robyn i should have not poisoned you :curtain:

You're not supposed to give away the other reason you are townread now.

[EnderWiggin]

I am okay with Wisdom votes despite my earlier statement.

Mostly because I want it to be true and me just to have had a good take D1.

[nutella]

btw Syn come back im sorry i have copied your solve and replaced myself with cape lettuce team up against a shared enemy

[Lapras]

Vulgards now had 2 pushes i consider lol whilst saying im underwhelming- the one on me d1 then this

PATTERNS

Busy tonight soz

[nutella]

I'm gonna be honest I forgot that even happened.

I just know I read your posts catching up and felt kinda okay with you.

But that's weird because I scumread you so often that I don't know if it's me being omega brained or if I'm just starting to get familiar with you.

Or maybe you're wolf and I've realised that.

Idk.

But you read townier than the chaff so you get less chaff slot.

congrats ur town and cape is a wolf lets gooo

[Cape90]

normally this is permissible

unfortunately i'm on a clock, gotta deal with you now and i understand that you've been inactive d1 because of work

i don't ask you to change your process, i ask you to participate more so that i can see poker and persona mash dya, not this dya

you do understand nearly everyone has poe'd you because of your play around the illario chop

i'm gunning for you and visor is too, why do you treat me as villager and him as wolf?

im ngl robyn everyone technically has to treat you as villa since your dying after today anyways.

Also I don't find it impossible that you are wolf like others do

I poisoned KnightsOfCyndonia after a day 1, he was mafia, acted similarly to you to the poison

i townread KOC off that

he flipped mafia

[Cape90]

yeah this is really not a good read because ladd is known for being a very good villager and a lot of people kill him n1

I was also expecting me or ladd to die at night as I stated in my opening post, this was a thought i had over night and then the NK happened and I wasn't shocked in the slightest.

Also I am starting to think ur town :curtain:

[Visor]

im ngl robyn everyone technically has to treat you as villa since your dying after today anyways.

Also I don't find it impossible that you are wolf like others do

I poisoned KnightsOfCyndonia after a day 1, he was mafia, acted similarly to you to the poison

i townread KOC off that

he flipped mafia

villagery post m'lord

what do u think of the ppl i mentioned above

[Cape90]

this is a very interesting day so far with the wisdom push bubbling up, I am in consideration of Wisdom since their logs are just getting meh-er

[Cape90]

fair enough

what post of mind did you find towny and what makes you think im a wolf now

after reading the context of this post, dya is more strongly town in my mind

[Cape90]

So can we talk about how Visor and Ender are doing nothing whilst I am on fire tbh

we can talk about Visor, Ender is... for a later date for me. He isn't reminding me of his wolf game but that same wolf game I wasn't really using as a baseline anyways because he was roleplaying

[nutella]

ok cape just literally hadnt caught up to where the thread is at with wisdom maybe i jumped the gun on him

[robyn]

i am rapidly losing wim knowing i'll die

[Boquise]

we can talk about Visor, Ender is... for a later date for me. He isn't reminding me of his wolf game but that same wolf game I wasn't really using as a baseline anyways because he was roleplaying

Watcha wanna say about Visor then

[Lapras]

vote: achro

[nutella]

vote: achro

odd choice sir

[Lapras]

odd choice sir

Nah him n vul have weird pushes n odd logic

Everyone be focusing on things that can be towny can be wolfy e..g wishy washy reads / slanking

And realised bad logics generally just wolfy

[nutella]

i am rapidly losing wim knowing i'll die
robyn im curious about your wisdom burial but if you only have time for one thing i think the dz towncase would be very valuable

[nutella]

Nah him n vul have weird pushes n odd logic

Everyone be focusing on things that can be towny can be wolfy e..g wishy washy reads / slanking

And realised bad logics generally just wolfy

well i agree that vul had some bad logic and it happened to be an attempt to push achro

i can kinda see where youre coming from ig tho

[Cape90]

so i debated whether i would say this out loud or at least wait til eod in case i die tn but i currently think that if wisdom flips w the other two are exactly vulgard and cape

both are pushing p hard to resolve boq today (sidenote that achro is too but he feels more like town to me now), i think it is quite possible that vulgard deliberately went for the hard pocket of me and once i caught a seed of paranoia he doesnt feel that lock town knowing hes a good wolf, cape pushed the cw yday in a way i think was generally wolfy and is now pulling sources to back up the boq push but idk it feels less right and wisdom feels more like a hit to me atm, both are just like good wolves in their ranges and influencing the thread to all the right degrees and pushing all the right buttons to position themselves well and emulate solving


idk how much ill stick with this view (lolme) but it's been kind of working in the back of my head all day and kinda clicked in the shower and *feels* like the kind of team we have in this gamestate

i'll ask you simple questions

do you think it would have been more beneficial to keep town!boq or town!illario or town!nutella up?

Personally I think you are being helpful and me getting off of you was at the very least a good decision. I also think Illario would have been helpful too here. Boq is mad and stuff about the scumreads he has been receiving and that mixed in with time constraints has impacted him just focusing up, not that he hasn't done some of that.

I know boq is a good wolf, but that doesn't mean he's a bad town all of the sudden, I hold players to standards, it would be disrespectful not to and I will also say I haven't liked some arguments against Boq technically and think he has done some towny things believe it or not.

Also the vote I was on before Boq was YOU so like, if you are town, you know that I went off a villager onto Boq.

I was sheeping Robyn as Robyn said that they and ladd townread YOU. So I just pushed Boq off of thinking Robyn was town at EOD which matches up with what i have said about Robyn around that time.

The good thing is if Robyn is mafia, I am not sure why they would push on Wisdom today. I think they still have an unouted read on why Boq is town.

there was also some other reason i townread Robyn day 1 but it's slipping my mind (besides me liking their readslist)

[robyn]

btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

[Visor]

btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

cc

i saw motion at raskols mum last night

[Visor]

Watcha wanna say about Visor then

he is very cute

uwu

[nutella]

I think they still have an unouted read on why Boq is town.



btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

heh well alright

[Achro]

Nah him n vul have weird pushes n odd logic

Everyone be focusing on things that can be towny can be wolfy e..g wishy washy reads / slanking

And realised bad logics generally just wolfy

Aside from the one implicating you what odd logic have I employed Lapras

[nutella]

anyway cape im curious about your updated thoughts on wisdom if youve caught up and also your thoughts on vulgard

[nutella]

im not that good at probability but 2 out of 3 wolves would trip motion so i would simply conclude that we shouldnt elim boq but i already preferred not to so


lettuce yeet wisdom

[Achro]

btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

Oh. Rip

Unvote: boq

[robyn]

always resolve the cw @joat

[Achro]

always resolve the cw @joat

Yeah good action tbh. When I get back to my PC I will look into vul and wis.

[robyn]

boq can still be scum considering the fact he probably wouldn't carry the kill as scum, but you never know, either way i'm getting my pelt by appeal to authority

[Cape90]

wdyt re rask/wis/boq/dya/lapras

cape?

I'm liking Rask more and more today, and even when I reread some stuff at 5am when i was dead tired. What they say makes sense. They felt aggro on a lot of slots though that could be skewed.

Wisdom is a slot I want to just read over some more. I have liked some arguments I have seen against them and they weren't really town telling when i was scrolling through them in real time, but they just don't seem online when I am, or we talk past each other.

Boq is a bit potato-y though (in terms of his scumreads, I like some of his townreads) I can see the being frustrated as town, but I have also seen w!boq do this. This was another reason why I liked illario day 1 because I have seen illario as town not like being pushed and doing that whole frustrated thing, it's a meta town thing with him that I believe in (there were other reasons too like how illario reacted to my push on him). UPDATE: APPARENTLY BOQ IS MOTION DETECTED NEGATIVE

dyachei's catch up today has felt in their town meta to me. Probably still a light town but I liked 1599 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844880&viewfull=1#post2053844880) this post from them in context. Scroll a bit up, then click on the Wisdom quote they mentioned. It definitely showed that dya was deep in the ISOs tbh.

Lapras is a strange one, I would lean Lapras to be a bit wolfy right now. Lapras has definitely felt in his own world this game so there is that. Wasn't to sure what conclusion to draw from the Achro back and forth.

Nutella does this alot fwiw where she worldbuilds wkth belief she might be wrong (i beliebe) so whilst sussing happy still looks at his pushes

Kinda inconsistent/ open mindedness /antiLAMIST thats towny despite their push on me being wrong
this came off as a towny read on nutella.

I don't find Lapras as wolfy as the time I buried them in this JOAT game in f3, then again I was TRing them before. Kinda liked how they townread lucy. Townread on me was fine ig. I'm a lil in between if they are in their wolf meta, I would have to confirm that.

[Visor]

so top three wolves rn cape?

[Cape90]

Not really. Null territory but most people push him and I got v/v wagons vibes last EoD.

...


I didn't think he was v
Had him as null
And we were tied wagons when I went to bed
And I got shamed for no voting
Trying to yeet someone I don't have a read on > Getting yeeted, I figured.

Would have voted Boq if the wagon existed then though, which I also pointed out.

...

I'm not sure this exactly matches your story and I find that pretty odd Wisdom. The whole way you seemed to be maneuvering around the Boq thing is interesting to me

[Cape90]

so top three wolves rn cape?

a very unexciting boq/wisdom/lapras

[robyn]

ladd didn?t tr
illario didn?t wanna kill you today
i?ve also never misread you

i am being original in my reads and you have 8h to get out of wolf meta which you?re in

i?ve just read two of your games

so please, elaborate on your reads and gamestate and whatnot

it's been 8h and wisdom didn't show up all day and give any reads or anything that i asked for multiple times

the read that can easily be meta cased is that

1) wisdom has an extremely hard time entering and playing a game as scum
2) she never has proactive reads as scum, purely reactive ones

that summarizes her play this game and she's just not been here, that's ai and summarizes my case

people can compare her scum and town games like i did but she's squarely within wolf meta and never bothered to play this all day, 1:22am in sweden, i gave her the rest of the day for their country and they never barely seen here in the thread when they said they'd be home and write a post about gamestate and me and stuff + reactive with her boq interactions

[Cape90]

there's a reason why MD should be trying to go onto deepwolves instead of people that are sussed

[Cape90]

nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.

That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.

what exactly makes you feel semi-cleared?

[Cape90]

I'm kinda thinking that ladd might be wolfing?

Nog sure if that's just omgus though. He's played with me to recognise that this is a common position for me d1, not sure why he's adding fuel to the fire.

im not sure wisdom exactly kills ladd here. not impossible i suppose

i somewhat liked Wisdom's read on Syn day 1 too

[Cape90]

I actually read the content of this post now.

I'm gonna keep dismiss your wolf reads on me as being shiz and giggles, makes me feel better about it!

I'm sorry I lack charm though, that tends to happen when phone playing ^^'

this post is decent. but the post Syn is referring to is... not unfortunately


However, I'm more used to being town read by wolves than wolf read by wolves (or at least those wolves who has wolf read me lately has been kinda outting about it). That's what made me read Cape wrong last time, but I think he's just town now. Boq has made a similar town read on me as town before but I feel that he's being a bit... empty right now.

Meanwhile Syn's and Rask's wolf read on me seems to mostly be for shiz and giggles (We're out of game friends fyi).

Welcome to Wisdom reads people based on how they read them.

as syn said, it does seem dismissive of the push that Wisdom was receiving.

[Cape90]

wisdom can you xpain why you wolfread visor initially?

dont think you ever explained


also why did you give up on thinking visor was a wolf cause everyone villaread him? seems weird given last game


Because I found him being "funny but dismissive" (as in the bla bla deez nutz post) to remind me of something from last game.

And yes, last game I wolf read him d1, got n1'd and he wo, so I should obviously trust myself more than others. But he won because people tr'd how he treated his wolf mates, today people has called him town based on his play. In addition, I find his deflation towny regardless of what others think about me reading people that way.

ladd

meh im not the biggest fan of this

[Cape90]

i read Wisdom in a similar light to boq after looking back, though I feel like Wisdom's reasons to townread people are just slightly more straight forward

[Cape90]

it's been 8h and wisdom didn't show up all day and give any reads or anything that i asked for multiple times

the read that can easily be meta cased is that

1) wisdom has an extremely hard time entering and playing a game as scum
2) she never has proactive reads as scum, purely reactive ones

that summarizes her play this game and she's just not been here, that's ai and summarizes my case

people can compare her scum and town games like i did but she's squarely within wolf meta and never bothered to play this all day, 1:22am in sweden, i gave her the rest of the day for their country and they never barely seen here in the thread when they said they'd be home and write a post about gamestate and me and stuff + reactive with her boq interactions
this might be a silly question but:
what is the difference between proactive and reactive reads?

[robyn]

nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.

That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37526-The-Welcome-Back-Sabi-Invitational-Poor-Approximations-of-Characters-from-Poor-Approximations-of-Te?p=6426190#post6426190

[robyn]

this might be a silly question but:
what is the difference between proactive and reactive reads?

don't make me do all the critical thinking

[Vulgard]

yeah sure whatever

Vote: Wisdom

i honestly don't care

[Vulgard]

the result on boq makes him less likely wolf by the setup's nature because there's a wolf role with a compulsive night action and i don't have a reason to defend wisdom

[Vulgard]

robyn ender's posts are fine tonally and he's given some decent reads

he hasn't affected the game much though

i'd say he's fine because he seems comfortable and just chilling, one of the first people i'd revisit if our direction is wrong though

[dyachei]

yeah sure whatever

Vote: Wisdom

i honestly don't care

im giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

unvote: wisdom

[robyn]

stop voting wisdom, hammer is only allowed 5m from eod so i can finish this out

[Vulgard]

lapras randomly shading me from the sidelines when i'm not even talking about him anymore is noted

the fact he's pushing me and achro here is towny though, i don't think a wolf takes that line

[Vulgard]

im giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

unvote: wisdom

i'm giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

[Vulgard]

there's a lot of people in this game who aren't affecting it very much but they can't all be wolves

[Achro]

there's a lot of people in this game who aren't affecting it very much but they can't all be wolves

We're actually all wolves except for you, and this game is a prank specifically on you.

[Vulgard]

cape/nutella are my strongest villas
rask and syn right below
ender is "okay enough"
then achro/boq/dya/lapras/visor/wisdom is a colossal pool of players where i think the wolves are

lapras having me/achro as wolves is towny imo, i can't think of much else in his favor though

having laid it out like this i'm concerned about the push on wisdom not being a hit because i haven't seen any wisdom defenders other than boq

that said boq defending wisdom here is bad for him regardless of wisdom's alignment because he's the other wagon so coupled with the md result maybe he is town

[Vulgard]

dya do you think we should go visor

[Vulgard]

We're actually all wolves except for you, and this game is a prank specifically on you.

okay who do you think is a wolf

[Vulgard]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

[dyachei]

dya do you think we should go visor

not sure

he's not trying to pocket me like last game but his reads are bad and idk how he got there

[dyachei]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

i dnt have him as anything

[Achro]

okay who do you think is a wolf

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.




am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

[Achro]

Also for robyn

I find Vul's play around me to feel pretty predatory now that I think about it more. When I was not well liked Vul was writing a diss track on me, but as soon as thread perception begins to turn just a little bit with a few people liking me more we get "oh geesh, is this a skill issue my fellow townies?" which gives off bad vibes in certain flip worlds.

[Achro]

team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

:fortune:

[robyn]

achro town lol

[Achro]

achro town lol

I will miss you.

Was that what you were looking for? ISOing is kind of a pain on this site so I just mostly went off memory for the Vul sections, if you want my perspective on anything else just let me know I am chilling since I can't offer a whole lot on meta discussions.

[EnderWiggin]

cc

i saw motion at raskols mum last night

Can confirm. I was the motion at Raskol's mum last night.

[EnderWiggin]

btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

I think this raises it from top 10 worst poisons to actually probably the worst town poison lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Achro

Haven't been present because I've been pretty busy tbh. Had a thing with partner and then prepping for D&D (Which starts in 30m) and today is going to mostly be a wash in terms of time.

I do join these games on here with the explicit idea I'm going to be chill.

I'll make reads and answer questions and give thoughts as I have em.

At the moment I'm happy with Wisdom sus and have nothing much else to care about.

[robyn]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

[Achro]

Achro

Haven't been present because I've been pretty busy tbh. Had a thing with partner and then prepping for D&D (Which starts in 30m) and today is going to mostly be a wash in terms of time.

I do join these games on here with the explicit idea I'm going to be chill.

I'll make reads and answer questions and give thoughts as I have em.

At the moment I'm happy with Wisdom sus and have nothing much else to care about.

That's fine, but you can't be too surprised when you are in my PoE. This is not "wow Ender isn't talking GUESS THAT'S A WOLF TELL" but more "I don't remember Ender very well, so he fits in."

I want this to be a chill game tbh so that's cool

[Achro]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

God damnit Robyn lol.

[Visor]

wisdom/dya/rask

?

[Cape90]

cape/nutella are my strongest villas
rask and syn right below
ender is "okay enough"
then achro/boq/dya/lapras/visor/wisdom is a colossal pool of players where i think the wolves are

lapras having me/achro as wolves is towny imo, i can't think of much else in his favor though

having laid it out like this i'm concerned about the push on wisdom not being a hit because i haven't seen any wisdom defenders other than boq

that said boq defending wisdom here is bad for him regardless of wisdom's alignment because he's the other wagon so coupled with the md result maybe he is town

you were just sheeping the read that I was town, how does that make me the strongest town u have?

[Cape90]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

it's WIFOM whichever way you think about it, I have my own reasons to believe Achro is being genuine in his assessments and the RP thing wasn't really that convincing from your end

[Cape90]

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.





I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

[Cape90]

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

we as in me and Wisdom, not achro

[Cape90]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

i hope you got mafia to find real MD :curtain:

[Cape90]

can u believe robyn rescinded as soon as they were sure they found the real MD and who MD wasn't out of that for their mafia team

SMH

[Cape90]

Look back at the first message

The mafia kill is assigned to someone

im guessing this is predetermined and mafia cannot choose who kills

[Syn]

im not sure wisdom exactly kills ladd here. not impossible i suppose

i somewhat liked Wisdom's read on Syn day 1 too


this post is decent. but the post Syn is referring to is... not unfortunately



as syn said, it does seem dismissive of the push that Wisdom was receiving.

y u pocketing me

[Syn]

btw Syn come back im sorry i have copied your solve and replaced myself with cape lettuce team up against a shared enemy

i was skeptical of this idea but i am warming to it given cape's odd shift in his approach in the last few hours

[Syn]

the last three baiting posts are something else too

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1727

wisdom 4 syn raskolnikov nutella vulgard
dyachei 1 wisdom
raskolnikov 1 visor
ender 1 boquise
achro 1 lapras

Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23

[nutella]

i hope you got mafia to find real MD :curtain:

ugh kinda had the thought when they rescinded

prob better to drop the whole topic but it does make me worry a little about their flip

just annoying tbh




Look back at the first message

The mafia kill is assigned to someone

im guessing this is predetermined and mafia cannot choose who kills
dunno what you're getting at here, usually standard for them to be able to choose

[nutella]

i was skeptical of this idea but i am warming to it given cape's odd shift in his approach in the last few hours

im (surprise surprise) going back and forth on cape

but once i started entertaining w!vulgard i cant really unsee it, and now achro is there too

[Syn]

vote: unvote

i want visor to have the time

[nutella]

just doing the classic nutella strategy of hard townreading and hard wolfreading every player throughout the game so i can say i was right when i was also wrong

[robyn]

i hope you got mafia to find real MD :curtain:

i either did this or provided the best md cover in history

[Wisdom]

what exactly makes you feel semi-cleared?

The "you guys should flash wagon Boq when I sleep" post (which is what also happened). I would bus that way as it just helps town and gives me no cred.

Away for a bit longer, sorry.

Been thinking about Boq, Vulgard and Cape. Hopefully I get time to case that.

[Raskolnikov]

Why can't I be like visor
Do absolutely nothing and coast without being everybody's favorite topic

Why isn't Rask saying v?sor is coasting
Hmmmmm

lmao


visor prolly just a wolf for suggesting my name without actual reasonning for 2 days now. also doing nothing but associative reads smh.

https://media.tenor.com/hjl3xIfzCrMAAAAC/ian-mc-kellen-hat-tip.gif

[Raskolnikov]

so i debated whether i would say this out loud or at least wait til eod in case i die tn but i currently think that if wisdom flips w the other two are exactly vulgard and cape

both are pushing p hard to resolve boq today (sidenote that achro is too but he feels more like town to me now), i think it is quite possible that vulgard deliberately went for the hard pocket of me and once i caught a seed of paranoia he doesnt feel that lock town knowing hes a good wolf, cape pushed the cw yday in a way i think was generally wolfy and is now pulling sources to back up the boq push but idk it feels less right and wisdom feels more like a hit to me atm, both are just like good wolves in their ranges and influencing the thread to all the right degrees and pushing all the right buttons to position themselves well and emulate solving


idk how much ill stick with this view (lolme) but it's been kind of working in the back of my head all day and kinda clicked in the shower and *feels* like the kind of team we have in this gamestate

could see this btw. wis/cape looked aligned to me D1 (didn't post about it iirc)

[Raskolnikov]

Cape90: early tr on Visor was a meta tonal read. good for D1 but that's about it tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Oh. Rip

Unvote: boq

Achro, Boq can still be the backup fwiw. (robyn has no green on Boq)

[Raskolnikov]

the result on boq makes him less likely wolf by the setup's nature because there's a wolf role with a compulsive night action and i don't have a reason to defend wisdom

you are the third willing to post this (achro, cape, you). the setups nature makes it the back up never carry the kill till he has alive partner. that's about it. Any other deduction is wrong. robyn's result is worth nothing as it stands.

[Raskolnikov]

robyn ender's posts are fine tonally and he's given some decent reads

he hasn't affected the game much though

i'd say he's fine because he seems comfortable and just chilling, one of the first people i'd revisit if our direction is wrong though

fwiw he cased illario pretty hard yesterday lol. I don't think your description fits for Ender

[Raskolnikov]

Can confirm. I was the motion at Raskol's mum last night.

My mum has a very little peek on you tbh.

[Raskolnikov]

Look back at the first message

The mafia kill is assigned to someone

im guessing this is predetermined and mafia cannot choose who kills

nice derp attempt.

I have found you really interested in PR chat in the last 5 pages (since robyn outed their MD thing)

[Raskolnikov]

i either did this or provided the best md cover in history

lmao get real. YOu are going to be flipped at eod so u didn't provide any cover lol. But I liked the move anyway. ur read on Cape aorn?

[Visor]

Vote: dya

[Raskolnikov]

vote: unvote

i want visor to have the time

yeah, but at the same time he has the biggest scum equity if Wis flips red so don't give him too much when I am NKed pls

[Raskolnikov]

lol the xpost :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Visor what's your read on me rn?

[Vulgard]

I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

i don't want to quote the entire post but this is a very good post, i think you are town now

and yes, in fact, i did make that comment about skill issue specifically because i know i've mled you twice


Also for robyn

I find Vul's play around me to feel pretty predatory now that I think about it more. When I was not well liked Vul was writing a diss track on me, but as soon as thread perception begins to turn just a little bit with a few people liking me more we get "oh geesh, is this a skill issue my fellow townies?" which gives off bad vibes in certain flip worlds.

no i was asking for opinions because i didn't feel great about my read on you

in regard to wisdom, you said my vote on them looked bad and i understand why; my dismissiveness comes from the fact that i'm fine with killing wisdom today. the reasoning boq gave earlier which i agreed with isn't enough to keep defending wisdom at this point

i still think that boq defending wisdom here is silly from him if he's a wolf, regardless if wisdom is a wolf or not. i now see that robyn has rescinded their claim, so ignore the point about the md result on boq because it's no longer relevant. i agree with you in that the self-vote was bad. the thing i find the wolfiest about boq is his handling of the read on rask, because he's alluded to it multiple times without presenting an actual case that makes sense, and he isn't finding wolves elsewhere. having only one wolfread and that wolfread being questionable is wolfy. if he's right about rask, then he's always town (and most likely, so is visor), but if he's town, then he isn't treating his own read seriously it seems. he said he would revisit it and i don't think he has, so now i once again don't know what his reads are.

for what it's worth, boq and visor aren't both wolves, because in that universe they treated raskol almost exactly the same and they wouldn't mirror their positioning so much as w/w. i dislike the handling of this read from both, however, and i wouldn't be surprised if one was a wolf trying to get people to suspect and question raskol. the lack of getting people on their side, and the lack of properly explaining, is questionable -- neither of them seems to care about their read. it just seems to exist.

with the pr result being rescinded, i have the following question for everyone (and i'm bolding it so that it's seen): are there any reasons you think wisdom might be town? this is an important question, so please answer it.


you were just sheeping the read that I was town, how does that make me the strongest town u have?

after i initially sheeped it you wrote a lot of towny posts that made me independently tr you as well, i think i even alluded to it earlier

[Vulgard]

fwiw he cased illario pretty hard yesterday lol. I don't think your description fits for Ender

true true

regardless, my take on him stands. i don't want to go there today