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ladd
03-23-2023, 12:50
i feel like this games either gonna be fairly straight forward or pretty tough, hopefully it will be evident after d1

ladd why did u think it was medium difficulty?

No obvious wolves but a bunch of obv villas

illario
03-23-2023, 12:52
No obvious wolves but a bunch of obv villas

wow get outta my head lol

except we came to dif conclusions, but similar enough process ig

robyn
03-23-2023, 12:55
who do you think are wolves atm?

syn/cape/vulgard/lapras/rask/nutella

visor/ladd/illario/achro/ender

boq/wisdom/dya

i think top row should be all town

bottom two have all wolves

it’s big and not too ordered but i think that i’m solving in dz town worlds more than you town worlds

assuming you’re town that clears visor and like if you’re both clear my top row is clear

i think if you’re both wolves you can catch one, and it’s either an easy or a hard world as you’ve said

i am gonna put more effort into this after i sleep but that’s where i’m at

robyn
03-23-2023, 12:56
then my top row isn?t clear*

illario
03-23-2023, 12:57
syn/cape/vulgard/lapras/rask/nutella

visor/ladd/illario/achro/ender

boq/wisdom/dya

i think top row should be all town

bottom two have all wolves

it’s big and not too ordered but i think that i’m solving in dz town worlds more than you town worlds

assuming you’re town that clears visor and like if you’re both clear my top row is clear

i think if you’re both wolves you can catch one, and it’s either an easy or a hard world as you’ve said

i am gonna put more effort into this after i sleep but that’s where i’m at

how does us two being clear make your top row clear? can you talk about the lapras read? how come u didnt feel like discussing it with vuldaddy when he wanted someone to discuss it with considering u both have him in dif positions?

dyachei
03-23-2023, 12:58
think ladd prob v. I was thinking to myself that boq's reads felt bad and was wondering if he was wolfing right when ladd said something about w reading boq.

Also think ladd thinking about my opening pretty v

boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it

vote: boquise

robyn
03-23-2023, 12:59
how does us two being clear make your top row clear? can you talk about the lapras read? how come u didnt feel like discussing it with vuldaddy when he wanted someone to discuss it with considering u both have him in dif positions?

i imagine i was on and sent a few minutes during that but i took a midterm today (24h take home midterm) so i wasn’t reading beyond small posts

should’ve/would’ve but midterms

illario
03-23-2023, 13:01
think ladd prob v. I was thinking to myself that boq's reads felt bad and was wondering if he was wolfing right when ladd said something about w reading boq.

Also think ladd thinking about my opening pretty v

boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it

vote: boquise

i said that btw

robyn
03-23-2023, 13:02
in my mountainous game dz wasn’t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn’t hard to follow

he’s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don’t associate that with his wolf game

also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too

dyachei
03-23-2023, 13:03
i said that btw

i thought ladd said it too?

dyachei
03-23-2023, 13:05
got pinged by his first post..cause like this doesnt feel like a real reason to villa read someone (w/w got em eheh) but it doesnt read like a joke either

my biggest problem is his wisdom read:



this read is fine and all but it doesnt feel like it should give you the confidence to say stuff like that:





feels like WOLFY levels of confidence for what the read is based on. if i am a villager, i'd ask why etc.. not just stonewall it with a nah

i have caught wolves before with this tell

and in general posts seems like they lack a bit of snap judgement that i feel is standard for villa boq


(disclaimer: i am not a particuarly good boq reader)


sap, not gonna be mega useful today prob but i managed to skim a bit

think boq feels the worst to me tho it's not really a SUPER wolf read or anything

these illario

robyn
03-23-2023, 13:07
dya what’s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 13:07
that?s just how he types

i don?t think ur being pocketed

i tr his slick slick slick fucking read on you, both you and him for it

larpas/vulgard/achro/illario/rask

illario being the weakest read
Wisdom can you post a readslist when ur free

robyn sorry I didn't see this on phone
Hopefully I've posted enough reads for you to be satisfied by now!

illario
03-23-2023, 13:09
i thought ladd said it too?

sorry i shoulda been more specific

"boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it"

that was me :sweatdrop:

Lapras
03-23-2023, 13:12
Lapras why?

Solving like they do as town + really meta driven (as wolf i remember they were really logic driven and thats gow they wolf in turbos) + quite like antagonistic n out there which is generically towny. Lots of early hot takes too

Thats what i recall

illario
03-23-2023, 13:45
question for the class: ww?

ah lol i finally see what u meant, thats a more likely take than i initially thought

tinfoil on rask is probs goners now

ladd
03-23-2023, 13:46
think ladd prob v. I was thinking to myself that boq's reads felt bad and was wondering if he was wolfing right when ladd said something about w reading boq.

Also think ladd thinking about my opening pretty v

boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it

vote: boquise

What did you not like about boq reads?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 13:47
Vote: illario

Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.

I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."

So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.

robyn
03-23-2023, 13:49
Solving like they do as town + really meta driven (as wolf i remember they were really logic driven and thats gow they wolf in turbos) + quite like antagonistic n out there which is generically towny. Lots of early hot takes too

Thats what i recall
illario

illario
03-23-2023, 13:51
Vote: illario

Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.

I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."

So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.

curious to know what this is lol, esp since we just got out of a wolf game together ive been most curious about your take on me than anyone elses lol

illario
03-23-2023, 13:52
Here's the cinch.

Vul randed wolf.

illario probably didn't.


Oh yeah Syn randed town.

Vote: Vulgard

while ur here can u explain these early takes too?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 13:53
curious to know what this is lol, esp since we just got out of a wolf game together ive been most curious about your take on me than anyone elses lol

My interest in explaining it is correlative to my interest in checking games to make sure I'm as right as I think I am.

illario
03-23-2023, 13:56
Here's the cinch.

Vul randed wolf.

illario probably didn't.


Oh yeah Syn randed town.

Vote: Vulgard

well u did just call me a lock wolf lol, dont you wanna be sure you're right on that

or was that mostly said for effect/reactions?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 13:58
while ur here can u explain these early takes too?

Syn is still town. Just process from their play.

Vul early posts felt not towny. I found Vul last game we played so I figured I could again.

But then I found them later so nyeh.

I thought you were town early based off your lack of care on some things but I have decided I was wrong.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:00
well u did just call me a lock wolf lol, dont you wanna be sure you're right on that

or was that mostly said for effect/reactions?

I sat upon the stairs of glory and looked past to the event horizon. Upon the horizon I saw the past and future melding together into a mess of supernova.

And in the centre of that supernova I heard the words of true enlightenment.

"Happy is a wolf."

I found release upon the truth imbued within these sacred words.

illario
03-23-2023, 14:03
tbh same

Lapras
03-23-2023, 14:05
illario

:eyes: tho cuz i know you like it when your wolf for ppl to extrapolate on why they tr you....so if happys a wolf i can see a world where youve asked him to ask this q.

But this is obv just wild tinfoil based on theory you'd like to troll me and your probs just town

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:07
:eyes: tho cuz i know you like it when your wolf for ppl to extrapolate on why they tr you....so if happys a wolf i can see a world where youve asked him to ask this q.

But this is obv just wild tinfoil based on theory you'd like to troll me and your probs just town

i’ve cleverly dmed you the exact post where you said that about me

i wasn’t asking for illario to elaborate on why he tr me but i wanted him go take a more assertive position on my alignment because he hasn’t

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:09
I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:11
Robyn is managing to stand on the line where their alignment is on either side and refuses to jump to either side.

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:12
Robyn is managing to stand on the line where their alignment is on either side and refuses to jump to either side.

am i just null or have you gotten wolf and town pings

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:12
am i just null or have you gotten wolf and town pings

Yes.

Lapras
03-23-2023, 14:13
i’ve cleverly dmed you the exact post where you said that about me

i wasn’t asking for illario to elaborate on why he tr me but i wanted him go take a more assertive position on my alignment because he hasn’t

Exactly

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:14
Syn and Vul are so town that they towned the town in towning mctownerson.

This is all.

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:14
Yes.

normally i think it’s a bit of both when people say yes to “or” questions

but it’s mafia and specifics matter

which is it

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:15
normally i think it’s a bit of both when people say yes to “or” questions

but it’s mafia and specifics matter

which is it

Yes.

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:16
Sup,

can someone tl;dr me the lasst 10 pages? I am reading but might take a while.

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:17
Sup,

can someone tl;dr me the lasst 10 pages? I am reading but might take a while.

ender is outed because i caught him bedding a twink

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:18
Syn and Vul are so town that they towned the town in towning mctownerson.

This is all.

rask near lock town status too then?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:18
ender is outed because i caught him bedding a twink

Yes

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 14:19
rask near lock town status too then?

Idk I have to MD his mum first.

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:19
Anyway I have errands to run soon and it isn't out of the possibility that when I am done I just crash so here's a list of people I don't have a good reason to not vote today.

Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
illario
ladd
Syn
Wisdom

My lack of a strong feeling of a scum read makes me think I might have a blindspot in my reasoning on one of illario/ender since I am purposefully trying to be distant on those slots to see what develops. But at the same time this could apply to dya as well who is just unable to be here atm. If there is any scum in that group then it only requires a couple of people to be a timely playing well.

I feel like everyone not named I have a good reason to think they are town. Most likely misclears are nutella (relies a bit much on me reading into how they would treat me), robyn (is a bit off from how I imagine they would treat me, or rask (if they are a good power wolf then that uninformed stance would probably be in their wheel house)

I usually miss one smh

Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

ladd
03-23-2023, 14:19
wisdom can you xpain why you wolfread visor initially?

dont think you ever explained


also why did you give up on thinking visor was a wolf cause everyone villaread him? seems weird given last game

Wisdom

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:19
Idk I have to MD his mum first.

pls do. with extreme prejudice.

illario
03-23-2023, 14:20
i’ve cleverly dmed you the exact post where you said that about me

i wasn’t asking for illario to elaborate on why he tr me but i wanted him go take a more assertive position on my alignment because he hasn’t

oh lol. some stuff from you has pinged me, like the whole made up reads business. still not sure what you were hoping to achieve, for someone who wanted to rush us out of rvs i dont think you have done much with the info in the thread since. most of the reads you have given have felt kinda easy to give and some of them im not sure i buy the explanations to. your continual focus on how im reading you might be towny (?), it usually is >rand v for people in general but i suppose i wouldnt put it past wolf!you to try and keep tabs on me to see if u got me tricked or not since you would probably get satisfaction out of that.

"i will re read ender and boq bc i figure that harder stances on these two players will be illuminating"

kinda liked that post from you


but then some other posts you ask i dont really get, mostly your questions, i dont see where you're going with them

"dya what’s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads"

like this one, not sure why you're particularly concerned with dyas read on you, and not sure why you are concerned about them having anti consensus reads or not since your own reads so far have lined up with consensus. i dont really see how asking any of that helps u solve dya there.

u have a lack of pushes, tbh i dont recall if this is AI for you in any way

ummm what else. ig i think i would expect you to maybe post more as a wolf? Since you have generally been focusing on keeping a high post count in the other games u were a wolf, but you could also be burnt out a bit or be expecting me to expect that so i havent really factored that into my read on you too much.

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:20
ladd iso and give a read on me thanks

illario
03-23-2023, 14:22
I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.

thats a pretty decent observation, i do infact do that at times as a wolf.

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:25
god that post is quite literally solving my slot incarnate and all you’re missing is an ending

yes volume count isn’t ai for me, i’ve proven that much

and i don’t think that pushing people is particularly ai, i’m cautious to push people in this playerlist because most people seem to have meta on one another and i really don’t wanna be wrong

and yeah i haven’t been paying too much attention to this game, yesterday was a midterm worth 25% of my grade lol

illario
03-23-2023, 14:25
oh lol. some stuff from you has pinged me, like the whole made up reads business. still not sure what you were hoping to achieve, for someone who wanted to rush us out of rvs i dont think you have done much with the info in the thread since. most of the reads you have given have felt kinda easy to give and some of them im not sure i buy the explanations to. your continual focus on how im reading you might be towny (?), it usually is >rand v for people in general but i suppose i wouldnt put it past wolf!you to try and keep tabs on me to see if u got me tricked or not since you would probably get satisfaction out of that.

"i will re read ender and boq bc i figure that harder stances on these two players will be illuminating"

kinda liked that post from you


but then some other posts you ask i dont really get, mostly your questions, i dont see where you're going with them

"dya what’s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads"

like this one, not sure why you're particularly concerned with dyas read on you, and not sure why you are concerned about them having anti consensus reads or not since your own reads so far have lined up with consensus. i dont really see how asking any of that helps u solve dya there.

u have a lack of pushes, tbh i dont recall if this is AI for you in any way

ummm what else. ig i think i would expect you to maybe post more as a wolf? Since you have generally been focusing on keeping a high post count in the other games u were a wolf, but you could also be burnt out a bit or be expecting me to expect that so i havent really factored that into my read on you too much.

i just realised all of this can be easily summarised with:

"if you're town im struggling to see how anything you have done so far has advanced towns win con in any way, and that is something i expect you can and should be able to do as town"

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:26
vote: Wisdom

Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.

illario
03-23-2023, 14:26
but also its d1 and yeah alota people have been taking it easy so its not a smoking gun or anything

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:32
ima go back to sleep but that’s not an unfair evaluation

i’ve been busy and generally cautious about over extending myself

too many players i can get wrong etc etc

and midterms r finally over

illario
03-23-2023, 14:34
ima go back to sleep but that’s not an unfair evaluation

i’ve been busy and generally cautious about over extending myself

too many players i can get wrong etc etc

and midterms r finally over

why do you care if u get them wrong?

dyachei
03-23-2023, 14:35
got pinged by his first post..cause like this doesnt feel like a real reason to villa read someone (w/w got em eheh) but it doesnt read like a joke either

my biggest problem is his wisdom read:



this read is fine and all but it doesnt feel like it should give you the confidence to say stuff like that:





feels like WOLFY levels of confidence for what the read is based on. if i am a villager, i'd ask why etc.. not just stonewall it with a nah

i have caught wolves before with this tell

and in general posts seems like they lack a bit of snap judgement that i feel is standard for villa boq


(disclaimer: i am not a particuarly good boq reader)

robyn, why would I have a read on you at this point?

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:36
why do you care if u get them wrong?

cause then i mistunnel a town and i might be overestimating my ability to force a chop here

when i can just wait and push a mafia with more certainty instead of doing anything prematurely

so being wrong is important as i see myself as growing into a more town leader-y playstyle

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:37
robyn, why would I have a read on you at this point?

i assume you’ve read the game and i’ve posted 50 times

dyachei
03-23-2023, 14:37
i assume you’ve read the game and i’ve posted 50 times

that doesnt mean i have a read on you

dyachei
03-23-2023, 14:38
illario

you and boq need different avatars. It still pings me from you but not as much as if it came from boq. But reading boq's posts again just now has me feeling ok on him with the exception of disliking his rask vote

vote: illario

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:38
that doesnt mean i have a read on you

okie

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:43
illario u have like 5 votes on u

lead wagon by far atm

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:44
Sup Dya.What's the case on illario?

dyachei
03-23-2023, 14:47
Sup Dya.What's the case on illario?

i didnt like him talking about how wisdom or cape has solved the game

that post pinged me a lot

illario
03-23-2023, 14:48
so ig ender and dya is unlikely a w/w pairing

dyachei
03-23-2023, 14:50
so ig ender and dya is unlikely a w/w pairing

why's that?

Vulgard
03-23-2023, 14:52
in my mountainous game dz wasn’t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn’t hard to follow

he’s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don’t associate that with his wolf game

also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too

you're making his wolfgame sound really bad and i don't think it is? robyn


I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.

bolded is more or less the main reason i suspect him, he did something similar when we wolfed together in an em subforum game a few months back on MU

we went for a hard distancing strategy between each other as a team but he was largely just chilling

robyn
03-23-2023, 14:53
my read accuracy is comparatively good

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 14:54
ladd did a good job of summing up rask in that post. also saw this earlier which i thought was a bit of a pingy sequence in worlds where wisdom is town and boq isnt. like i sorta expect if he genuinely thinks he can see a boq world as wolf then that should put some pause in his wisdom read but yeah tldr: the sequence of voting wisdom but then saying u can see a world where the person most likely not to be a wolf with wisdom without then going to re-evaluate the wisdom read feels kinda iffy.

but yeah still not enough to undo my earlier townread on rask. so i suppose ive had a very similar dilemma with rask in my head where i think his posting and tone has been towny but there still been moments of iffyness and ladd having a similar process there was enough to pocket me ig.

This is the sole content post before I posted that:


That is the first post I side-eye in this game

but knowing how Wis usually posts as town and how they can get scum read by phrasings like that, I am leaning to town read that

Is that convoluted tr never ww?

illario
03-23-2023, 14:54
why's that?

well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

Vulgard
03-23-2023, 14:56
his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him

illario
03-23-2023, 14:59
his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him

i think you would have an easier time solving me if you stopped trying to force me and robyn as a dichotomy in your head

Vulgard
03-23-2023, 14:59
well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

i actually like this logic though

i don't necessarily agree with it but i think it'd be difficult to come up with on the fly as a wolf

then again illario is a great wolf

dyachei
03-23-2023, 15:00
well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

you realize im voting you for the same reason as i was voting boq earlier, right?

Vulgard
03-23-2023, 15:00
i think you would have an easier time solving me if you stopped trying to force me and robyn as a dichotomy in your head

i just consistently find the way you're approaching that slot wolfy

Vulgard
03-23-2023, 15:01
Vote: illario

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 15:03
wisdom/cape probs the closest to solving the game atm if theyre villas so id kinda leave both be probs

found it dya. high equity with both of them

dyachei
03-23-2023, 15:04
like it makes no sense to me that you're approaching this as a dichotomy with ender's vote on you because you were the one that pointed out the post that pinged me was by you, not boq. So you should see that relating it to ender's vote on you means absolutely nothing as either alignment

illario
03-23-2023, 15:05
you realize im voting you for the same reason as i was voting boq earlier, right?

yeah but the timing just doesnt feel right to me and im not even sure why thats scummy to you? like why do you think as a wolf i would just bring your attention to that as casually as i did? (i suppose it could be wifom but eh)

idk just feels like you're missing some steps in the process, like what about the quote that wisdom/cape might be closer than others to solving the game is so scummy that it warrants a vote despite whoever says it. i think my reasoning makes sense, it wouldnt make sense for boq to say it because both of them were pushing boq. but it would make sense for me to say it since it was more aligned to my reads than others had been at the time. so why is that quote so scummy despite whoever says it iyo?

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 15:06
nutella and Syn at 69 posts since 12 hours or so...

illario
03-23-2023, 15:07
found it dya. high equity with both of them

bro you gotta realise that people liking others doesnt always equal equity lol. in fact im more likely to shade and push partners if i think the thread perceives them as wolfy

illario
03-23-2023, 15:08
like it makes no sense to me that you're approaching this as a dichotomy with ender's vote on you because you were the one that pointed out the post that pinged me was by you, not boq. So you should see that relating it to ender's vote on you means absolutely nothing as either alignment

where did i say it was dichotomy though? i just said ur not likely partners

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 15:19
bro you gotta realise that people liking others doesnt always equal equity lol. in fact im more likely to shade and push partners if i think the thread perceives them as wolfy

I didn't say it always does smh. But I think Wisdom is a wolf so I am taking note. Might be AI for dya too down the road depending flips. What's up?

illario
03-23-2023, 15:32
people arent gonna like this and itll probably garner more votes on me, but now that ive read some of nutella and achros posts i realised this post isnt good at all:

Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard

so like, atm the only possible hit in there might be boq? i dont have enough strong feelings on boq yet to say confidently either way

which makes me kinda sideye dyas push on me even more cos i think they realised it wasnt a good solve and was using that to perhaps justify a push on me. I think what makes it most concerning is that there was a lack of attention to detail that is probably more wolfy than not. Like, i still havent gotten a proper answer as to why thinking wisdom/cape had decent solves was such a wolfy post, but if it truly was that wolfy id sorta expect dya to have not really mixed up who said the post to begin with...cos like usually when someone makes a scummy post i tend to look out at their other posts too to see if they just made one bad post or to see if they are scummy in general. I dont really feel like dya did that or put much thought into the process behind arriving at their vote. and yeah they can be busy irl so ive been cutting them some slack there, esp since i really like being town together with dya or else i probably would have been more inclined to vote there sooner but it is getting harder and harder to find if thats really the case here.

illario
03-23-2023, 15:37
idk if ill be here eod, so yah soz if wrong ig

dyachei

illario
03-23-2023, 15:38
vote: dyachei

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 15:38
I have stayed up to see the universe slowly unfold and within there was a naked man. This man looked me in the eyes, calmly and unbotheredly typing a mafia post, and he spoke to me.

And woe, those words undid me. For he looked at me and as he spoke, I understood that there-within the truth of mafia dost unfold in front of me.

Three sacred words have stuck with me to this day.

"Lol Skill Issue."

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 15:41
On one hand this is probably the most confident I have ever been that I've caught illario.

On the other hand I have never caught illario as mafia.

ladd
03-23-2023, 15:42
ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 15:44
ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all

Same.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 15:49
illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.

ladd
03-23-2023, 15:50
i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 15:51
Votes as of Post #838 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (3) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard
Wisdom (1) Raskolnikov
Lapras (1) Nutella
Vulgard (1) Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario

robyn
03-23-2023, 15:55
Vote: Wisdom

might not be on for eod and i’ll give illario another day

ladd
03-23-2023, 15:56
vote:wisdom

:curtain:

ladd
03-23-2023, 15:59
ill be afk in a bit but i should be able to make last 30 mins of the day or so

v
ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella

feel v confident there are all villas and i am weirdly confident visor is a villager too evne tho i am not gonna add him to the list above cause objectively he could still be a wolf

rest is a bit up in the air

robyn
03-23-2023, 16:02
i have exact list of towns as ladd + dz - ladd

interesting

robyn
03-23-2023, 16:03
i know my gamestate read is correct

therefore ladd is townsiding

therefore ladd town?

robyn
03-23-2023, 16:05
would wolf ladd ruthlessly townside?

robyn
03-23-2023, 16:15
8:15am i haven’t slept

robyn
03-23-2023, 16:22
ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella
robyn
dz

one in ender/illario

am i just correct in thinking that this is the gamestate

wolves got boned if so

dyachei
03-23-2023, 16:35
where did i say it was dichotomy though? i just said ur not likely partners

not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

ladd
03-23-2023, 16:52
not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

i think illario was simply saying that he agreed with wisdom/cape reads this game the most

ladd
03-23-2023, 16:52
i mean he could be a wolf but imo thats a pretty classic illario post and nai for him

dyachei
03-23-2023, 16:55
i mean he could be a wolf but imo thats a pretty classic illario post and nai for him

sure, maybe...but his response to my suspicion of him also makes me think he's a wolf at this point

nutella
03-23-2023, 17:20
catching up, at around p700

glad to see ladd come in with reads and be townladd



v
ladd
cape
vulgard
nutella
syn

visor
rask
wisdom

illario

skipped their posts

robyn
achro
lapras

not v

ender
dya
boq


here is v lazily where i am at

bbl


was meant to answer illario post obv


game feels like medium difficulty. if you want a "spicy" take is ender/boq w/W and nutella/wisdom/syn v/v/v

dunno if those are even considered spicy but i saw the second trio get pushed a bunch


at some point felt like they were trying to imitate their last villa game here a couple of months ago but without the same GUSTO

but in the end i think they are villagery enuf


part of why i have wisdom high is cause idt they are w/w with boq and boq read there feels either tmi or right

some of wisdom posts were weird but i also ended up thinking they are more likely v than not independently. the boq stuff just makes me feel better about it

the stuff about you does feel more villagery than not overall and their posting feels careless in a way i associate with their villa game



genuinely havent read achro posts at all


vulgard is the most consistently player who appears to be geuninley solving without agenda. ngl i kidna just wrote them off as v at some point and stopped paying too much attention to their posting. feel p good about them being v

idk why i mqed these i was just enjoying ladd doing his thing

dont agree with him on boq though, where he is posting again after this it still looks like hes prob town


lapras may be improving, will have to see a bit more


ender is becoming a hotter topic, i have a bit of history of misreading ender as kinda wolfy when he's town and his chillness so far i think is pretty nai. he can become more impactful later in the game and valuable as town so i think i very lightly oppose voting there for today but it depends how i feel about other possibilities too


i have no clue what visor has been doing at any point. he seems to pop in randomly without having read and contribute nothing

ladd
03-23-2023, 17:24
tbh i am not ultra convinced on any vote

i could see illario being a wolf but i prob wont be the one to vote him out today

and with this i really bid adieu

nutella
03-23-2023, 17:36
in my mountainous game dz wasn?t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn?t hard to follow

he?s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don?t associate that with his wolf game

also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too

is he really though


Vote: illario

Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.

I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."

So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.

hmmmmmm


why can't i quote or multiquote 771 the site is breaking :stare:

anyway this illario thing is some finally AI content for ender and i am not sure which way....which maybe makes it not AI lol but it feels like it should be

nutella
03-23-2023, 17:40
okay PLEASE how do i clear old multiquotes the site is literally not letting me quote new posts anymore i hate this

nutella
03-23-2023, 17:42
ugh okay i logged out and back in and it works now

dinosaur ass site :curtain:



I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.


Robyn is managing to stand on the line where their alignment is on either side and refuses to jump to either side.

anyway these posts are towny for ender i thiiiink


the illario read is like, weird to me, sounds pretty weak, but feels more likely a real thought

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 17:50
Votes as of Post #857 -- Day ends at 7PM EST, about 6 hours and 10 mins from this post


Illario (3) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Vulgard (1) Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario

No vote/Unvoted: Achro Boquise Lapras Wisdom

nutella
03-23-2023, 17:56
Syn and Vul are so town that they towned the town in towning mctownerson.

This is all.

yes


i just realised all of this can be easily summarised with:

"if you're town im struggling to see how anything you have done so far has advanced towns win con in any way, and that is something i expect you can and should be able to do as town"

can't decide how i feel about this read on robyn from illario. i both agree with it and find it uninspiring lol




well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

this is a p solid thought though


his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him


vulgard keeps articulating everything i'm thinking

[getting locked out of multiquoting again but imagine i quoted the next post where vulgard literally mindmelds AGAIN with me on the above illario post making sense/maybe hard to fake logic]


why does this site suck so much ass lmao

nutella
03-23-2023, 18:01
yeah but the timing just doesnt feel right to me and im not even sure why thats scummy to you? like why do you think as a wolf i would just bring your attention to that as casually as i did? (i suppose it could be wifom but eh)

idk just feels like you're missing some steps in the process, like what about the quote that wisdom/cape might be closer than others to solving the game is so scummy that it warrants a vote despite whoever says it. i think my reasoning makes sense, it wouldnt make sense for boq to say it because both of them were pushing boq. but it would make sense for me to say it since it was more aligned to my reads than others had been at the time. so why is that quote so scummy despite whoever says it iyo?

wait nvm this makes no sense at all lmao

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:02
my tired work brain thinks wisdoms recent posts are decent

i will forgive you due to fatigue

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:03
Wisdom

Because I found him being "funny but dismissive" (as in the bla bla deez nutz post) to remind me of something from last game.

And yes, last game I wolf read him d1, got n1'd and he wo, so I should obviously trust myself more than others. But he won because people tr'd how he treated his wolf mates, today people has called him town based on his play. In addition, I find his deflation towny regardless of what others think about me reading people that way.

ladd

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:05
vote: Wisdom

Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.

Smh Rask if you're town here (this is a towny post at least) I have no idea what you're doing. I found you si obviously town last time. Do you think it weird that I don't see that here?

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:09
I was gonna bring up a point that Syn has also been saying things with a good amount of confidence and sent that to ladd when I was talking about the Boq thing

i'll be more insecure just for you baby

let's go listen to joe rogan

nutella
03-23-2023, 18:11
people arent gonna like this and itll probably garner more votes on me, but now that ive read some of nutella and achros posts i realised this post isnt good at all:

Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard

so like, atm the only possible hit in there might be boq? i dont have enough strong feelings on boq yet to say confidently either way

which makes me kinda sideye dyas push on me even more cos i think they realised it wasnt a good solve and was using that to perhaps justify a push on me. I think what makes it most concerning is that there was a lack of attention to detail that is probably more wolfy than not. Like, i still havent gotten a proper answer as to why thinking wisdom/cape had decent solves was such a wolfy post, but if it truly was that wolfy id sorta expect dya to have not really mixed up who said the post to begin with...cos like usually when someone makes a scummy post i tend to look out at their other posts too to see if they just made one bad post or to see if they are scummy in general. I dont really feel like dya did that or put much thought into the process behind arriving at their vote. and yeah they can be busy irl so ive been cutting them some slack there, esp since i really like being town together with dya or else i probably would have been more inclined to vote there sooner but it is getting harder and harder to find if thats really the case here.

i am confused

this is wisdom's readlist yeah? which yes i do have problems and disagreements with

but you're saying that because you said wisdom had a good solve and dya voted you for that, dya is a wolf? with wisdom? or what? idgi

i do understand the line that dya originally thinking boq posted it and simply moving their vote to you for it without taking your other context into account is a bit questionable (however i think it kind of fits dya's style to vote based on a single issue like that) but i'm not seeing the point of quoting wisdom's readlist here

i realize you are postcapped and probably asleep but like. what is going on, why is wisdom's readlist getting you to this conclusion about dya's reasoning for voting you, have you changed your mind on wisdom too?


man i saw that illario was top wagon and was like ehhh not sure if thats the play but now i think i see it

nutella
03-23-2023, 18:13
On one hand this is probably the most confident I have ever been that I've caught illario.

On the other hand I have never caught illario as mafia.


ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all


illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.


i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???

okay yeah i'm vibing with all this

and again that wisdom readlist had uh Many issues imo

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:13
i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???

Tried to organize who's playing the game, since being here on my phone is hell and I struggle to get an overview.

Also a bit of frustration that the only town reads I really have so far are Visor and Cape and that's not really helping anyone. I usually have more of a clue when EoD1 closes in.

Feels like last mash where I didn't even vote d1. I guess having some really good accuracy lately makes it harder for me to commit to reads.

Tldr; That readlist is garb and just based on gut reads at the time, feel free to ignore.

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:16
I can probably add Rask and whoever said finding wolves this game is hard to the town pile with some confidence.

Regardless:

Vote: Achro

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:17
nutella and Syn at 69 posts since 12 hours or so...

nice

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:18
illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.

yeah

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:18
Rask v probably because of him stubbornly omgus-tunneling me.

The one who said wolves are hard to find probably v because most relatable post in the game.

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 18:19
yeah

I'm not sure what to think of Illario flip flopping on me honestly, haven't figured that out yet.

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:20
I'm not sure what to think of Illario flip flopping on me honestly, haven't figured that out yet.

distancing :curtain:

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:21
Rask v probably because of him stubbornly omgus-tunneling me.

The one who said wolves are hard to find probably v because most relatable post in the game.

i think it's easy to find wolves tbh (because of tmi)

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:21
Vote: Wisdom

wowee

dyachei
03-23-2023, 18:21
i literally addressed illario's point though nut. I just didnt explain why the post pinged me initially. so it should have made sense to illario that I would change my vote to him. He literally pointed out that he said it not boq!

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 18:52
Smh Rask if you're town here (this is a towny post at least) I have no idea what you're doing. I found you si obviously town last time. Do you think it weird that I don't see that here?

Yes, absolutely lol.

Syn
03-23-2023, 18:59
However, I'm more used to being town read by wolves than wolf read by wolves (or at least those wolves who has wolf read me lately has been kinda outting about it). That's what made me read Cape wrong last time, but I think he's just town now. Boq has made a similar town read on me as town before but I feel that he's being a bit... empty right now.

Meanwhile Syn's and Rask's wolf read on me seems to mostly be for shiz and giggles (We're out of game friends fyi).

Welcome to Wisdom reads people based on how they read them.

this is the post of wisdom's that moved my confidence on them a little higher

it's dismissive, and I think feigns indifference. they're obviously not being pushed as a joke between friends, and we aren't secretly harboring town reads on wisdom and biding our time to let everyone in on the comedy. wisdom's reads and posts have been stilted and lacking their usual charm. when a read is given, it feels more like it's intended to cause something else to happen later rather than an actual organic thought in the moment.

(on a non-game-related note, I've actually been thinking you hate me now, Wisdom. So I hope you saying we're friends isn't just a tactic to push my attention elsewhere. fair play if it is though. it just won't work :square:)

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 19:00
how i fell rn:

syn, visor, ladd, ender, vulgard, robyn, dyachei are prolly town

nutella, cape, lapras, boquise, achro to be sorted

wisdom

Syn
03-23-2023, 19:09
how i fell rn:

syn, visor, ladd, ender, vulgard, robyn, dyachei are prolly town

nutella, cape, lapras, boquise, achro to be sorted

wisdom

raskol sorting his slots


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8ssH7LiB0

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 19:37
this is the post of wisdom's that moved my confidence on them a little higher

it's dismissive, and I think feigns indifference. they're obviously not being pushed as a joke between friends, and we aren't secretly harboring town reads on wisdom and biding our time to let everyone in on the comedy. wisdom's reads and posts have been stilted and lacking their usual charm. when a read is given, it feels more like it's intended to cause something else to happen later rather than an actual organic thought in the moment.

(on a non-game-related note, I've actually been thinking you hate me now, Wisdom. So I hope you saying we're friends isn't just a tactic to push my attention elsewhere. fair play if it is though. it just won't work :square:)

Tbh you playing was one of the reasons I signed up, it's nai though so don’t worry about it ^^

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 19:39
I'm kinda thinking that ladd might be wolfing?

Nog sure if that's just omgus though. He's played with me to recognise that this is a common position for me d1, not sure why he's adding fuel to the fire.

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 19:41
this is the post of wisdom's that moved my confidence on them a little higher

it's dismissive, and I think feigns indifference. they're obviously not being pushed as a joke between friends, and we aren't secretly harboring town reads on wisdom and biding our time to let everyone in on the comedy. wisdom's reads and posts have been stilted and lacking their usual charm. when a read is given, it feels more like it's intended to cause something else to happen later rather than an actual organic thought in the moment.

(on a non-game-related note, I've actually been thinking you hate me now, Wisdom. So I hope you saying we're friends isn't just a tactic to push my attention elsewhere. fair play if it is though. it just won't work :square:)

I actually read the content of this post now.

I'm gonna keep dismiss your wolf reads on me as being shiz and giggles, makes me feel better about it!

I'm sorry I lack charm though, that tends to happen when phone playing ^^'

nutella
03-23-2023, 19:50
On one hand this is probably the most confident I have ever been that I've caught illario.

On the other hand I have never caught illario as mafia.


ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all


illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.


i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???


Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard
<Sorry everyone else that I forgot>

Wisdom I think you implied you don't really stand by this list but I'm curious what made you put Rask and Syn in wolf, and how you forgot about vulgard (while illario has the most posts I can kinda understand forgetting early on as he didn't get as involved until later, but vulgard I feel has been a consistently present and solving voice)


I'm trying to parse your last few posts too and something feels off. I liked Syn's take that your takes feel more plinko-y than waterfall-y to put it in the cool kids' jargon. I think it's also partially that your thoughts feel....incomplete? underdeveloped? not to say that that's not expected on d1 to some extent, but you spent two posts saying "whoever said that one thing is town" without figuring out who the person was, and now throwing a haphazard counter-consensus ladd sus out there, and saying you'll continue dismissing syn, all makes me wonder if your stakes in anything you're saying are feigned.

nutella
03-23-2023, 19:54
I wouldn't have predicted myself saying so this morning but I think I'm roughly okay with both illario and wisdom wagons atm


Still see no reason to tr lapras tho

nutella
03-23-2023, 19:56
Also still don't particularly tr achro and that's still my pet almost-maybe-wolfread-why-do-we-townread-this-read

Syn
03-23-2023, 19:56
I actually read the content of this post now.

I'm gonna keep dismiss your wolf reads on me as being shiz and giggles, makes me feel better about it!

I'm sorry I lack charm though, that tends to happen when phone playing ^^'

why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?

Syn
03-23-2023, 19:57
why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?

oh I guess you don't town-read me

wtf

why aren't you like

doing anything against me if you wolf-read me back lol

nutella
03-23-2023, 19:57
why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?

...do they?

nutella
03-23-2023, 19:58
nice crosspost


i think theyre afraid to actually state a read on you at all lol

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 20:00
Wisdom I think you implied you don't really stand by this list but I'm curious what made you put Rask and Syn in wolf, and how you forgot about vulgard (while illario has the most posts I can kinda understand forgetting early on as he didn't get as involved until later, but vulgard I feel has been a consistently present and solving voice)


I'm trying to parse your last few posts too and something feels off. I liked Syn's take that your takes feel more plinko-y than waterfall-y to put it in the cool kids' jargon. I think it's also partially that your thoughts feel....incomplete? underdeveloped? not to say that that's not expected on d1 to some extent, but you spent two posts saying "whoever said that one thing is town" without figuring out who the person was, and now throwing a haphazard counter-consensus ladd sus out there, and saying you'll continue dismissing syn, all makes me wonder if your stakes in anything you're saying are feigned.

Wrt Syn it was about how he felt distant to the thread in a way he wasn't last game (yes I'm aware I'm doing a lot of comparisons to that one but it's pretty much the same player list, so). A year or two ago he fooled me as wolf by amping up his snark and humour and I guess I felt the same lack of focus here. I also didn't think his wolf read on me was serious since he didn't vote me, and I guess I've taken Pizza's words to heart that that's usually a wolfy trait.

However, I'm starting to lean town due to his interactions with me.

With regards to not going back to look things up, on phone I have to zoom everything in a lot to be able to read and switching pages and looking for specific stuff is quite a hassle. I'm proud enough that I remember how to ISO, but since I don't remember who said that ISOing won't help.

I... don't really care about consensus. I say what's on my mind.

nutella
03-23-2023, 20:02
hrm ok

vote: illario

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 20:02
why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?

...
Because I think you're more prone to have nonsense reads as town x) (Yes I know I know you nailed EnderWiggins but I think you'd have an easier time pocketing me than provoking me as a wolf)

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 20:03
oh I guess you don't town-read me

wtf

why aren't you like

doing anything against me if you wolf-read me back lol

Because I'm changing my mind, have fun trying to understand my brain xD

ladd
03-23-2023, 20:08
unvote

Ill vote last 30 mins

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 20:14
Oh btw Nut - I don't have a read on Vulgard because I haven't focused on solving him yet. I'm not good at reading him so it's not a day 1 priority. Saying "people I forgot was playing" was mostly a way to say I don't have a read on them. Then there were two people I actually forgot played. Woops :3

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 20:37
Votes as of Post #896 -- Day ends at 7PM EST, a bit under 3.5 hours from now


Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Nutella
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario
Achro (1) Wisdom


No vote/Unvoted: Achro Boquise Lapras ladd

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 20:39
Mod reminder, please use VOTE: or UNVOTE: with the colon so it is easy for us to find. No guarantee we will count votes without the colon as we may overlook them.

Syn
03-23-2023, 21:13
...
Because I think you're more prone to have nonsense reads as town x) (Yes I know I know you nailed EnderWiggins but I think you'd have an easier time pocketing me than provoking me as a wolf)

1 laugh = 1 town read

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 21:20
1 laugh = 1 town read

tmi is a bitch. They are outed

Syn
03-23-2023, 21:25
hrm ok

vote: illario

imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom

Visor
03-23-2023, 21:27
Sup here now won't be here for EOd what's the go

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 21:30
Sup here now won't be here for EOd what's the go

I'm consensus wolf from the look of who's in thread atm, real wolves probably asleep or at least not caring.

Visor
03-23-2023, 21:32
I'm consensus wolf from the look of who's in thread atm, real wolves probably asleep or at least not caring.

Who do you think they are

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 21:39
Who do you think they are

No clue. You're town, so is Syn, Rask and Cape. Other than that it's anyone's guess. Achro is the one who I feel is playing the safest so I'm leaning him, but not high confidence.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 21:52
No clue. You're town, so is Syn, Rask and Cape. Other than that it's anyone's guess. Achro is the one who I feel is playing the safest so I'm leaning him, but not high confidence.

You think illario is town?

nutella
03-23-2023, 21:53
imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom

:curtain:

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 21:54
You think illario is town?

Oh I forgot about *you*, I think you're town.

I don't have a read on Illario either way really. I have a few town tells on him which he hasn't triggered, so while I don't feel like voting him I don't really object to him getting wagoned either.

nutella
03-23-2023, 21:54
No clue. You're town, so is Syn, Rask and Cape. Other than that it's anyone's guess. Achro is the one who I feel is playing the safest so I'm leaning him, but not high confidence.

hmmm

nutella
03-23-2023, 21:55
Oh I forgot about *you*, I think you're town.

I don't have a read on Illario either way really. I have a few town tells on him which he hasn't triggered, so while I don't feel like voting him I don't really object to him getting wagoned either.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Visor
03-23-2023, 21:56
Where do y'all stand on robyn

nutella
03-23-2023, 21:57
Where do y'all stand on robyn

i would prefer not to

nutella
03-23-2023, 21:59
Oh I forgot about *you*, I think you're town.

I don't have a read on Illario either way really. I have a few town tells on him which he hasn't triggered, so while I don't feel like voting him I don't really object to him getting wagoned either.

seeing as you are currently competing top wagons, it would make sense at this point to vote him given he hasn't been towny enough for you, unless you intend to spend the last two hours casing achro or something

Syn
03-23-2023, 22:00
Where do y'all stand on robyn

they're okay

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 22:00
Where do y'all stand on robyn

revisit if illario flips wolf imo

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:02
i lie on my back on a gentle stream, the tree cover just enough to shade me from the sun, my eyes relaxed and my lips pulled back into a satisfied smile. i drift with the current, perfectly content as a warm breeze floats over me. we have w/w wagons, i tell myself. nothing can go wrong.

Visor
03-23-2023, 22:08
i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 22:09
i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling

tell me about that pal

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:09
Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

Hey uh rask. I called boq's vote on you likely misplaced. How is that shade?

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:09
i have an epic no bus meta, if illario is wolf i look pretty bad here

but i think illario can be a wolf i just don’t wanna flip him d1 incase i’m wrong

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:11
i have an epic no bus meta, if illario is wolf i look pretty bad here

but i think illario can be a wolf i just don’t wanna flip him d1 incase i’m wrong

this is a towny post

wisdom take notes

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:14
Member thankful for this post:
Wisdom

ruh roh

Syn
03-23-2023, 22:14
i have an epic no bus meta

:stare:

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:14
I can probably add Rask and whoever said finding wolves this game is hard to the town pile with some confidence.

Regardless:

Vote: Achro

If you iso me you will know the irony of this post.

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:14
Where do y'all stand on robyn

people can’t see to tr or sr me

why do you sr me?

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:15
also yeah dont be like gnome smh

bussing is fun trust

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 22:16
If you iso me you will know the irony of this post.

xD Oh no

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 22:16
Unvote:

Going to bed, glgl

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:17
Unvote:

Going to bed, glgl

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 22:17
this is a towny post

wisdom take notes

I'm fine with not obv!towning every game tbh ^^
I think I've done enough to be findable, obviously Cape managed, but ce la vie!

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:20
xD Oh no

My read list was here is a bunch of town and I have a poe but not really sure where to go. Wisdom why lol

Syn
03-23-2023, 22:20
Unvote:

Going to bed, glgl

we could all vote nutella before u fall asleep

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:20
Unvote:

Going to bed, glgl

I can't stop laughing lol wtf.

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:20
I'm fine with not obv!towning every game tbh ^^
I think I've done enough to be findable, obviously Cape managed, but ce la vie!

so why won't you self pres on illario?

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:21
oh my god illario thanked that post what is HAPPENING

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 22:21
ww vibes

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:21
ok we're not supposed to read into those i know ill stop reacting to them

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:22
I'm fine with not obv!towning every game tbh ^^
I think I've done enough to be findable, obviously Cape managed, but ce la vie!

i wouldn?t trust cape finding someone too much

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:26
cape finding me in another game is why he won’t tr me here until i find a pelt here

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:27
we could all vote nutella before u fall asleep

I am fine with Nutella being left alone for today. In a world where very few people cared, Nutella asked 'Achro why the fuck are you like this?'

I mean not literally.

But I could feel it.

Wisdom
03-23-2023, 22:33
Sorry for my performance today, I realize my brain isn't in top shape.

Vote: Illario

Didn't wanna self pres because I prefer doing my own thing and it's 90min left so neither me nor Illario is getting yeeted anyway because I know how much you guys love flash wagons, so voting Illario is kinda meh.

Had I been able to be up for another hour I might have given Boquise some attention because his play this game is confusing me.

Nutella town lol, sorry for not realizing earlier.

G'night!

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:33
achro do u have a read on me?

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:37
I don't have enough experience with illario to know the back and forth on his tells that has been going on. What I will say though is I asked him about cape/wis earlier being the closest solve because I remembered Cape had a town read on me while Wis had a wolf read on me so those two solves didn't work together. This is compounded by the fact that illario had stated that Ender and I were two people he was trying to watch out for. His answer to me was that it wasn't anything specific which I think is the only possible truthful answer given one of his two people to watch was disagreed on between the two. But, the problem with that is in another post he said he liked Wisdom's list specifically because Ender and I were wolfy, so then why did he like Cape's solve so much?

Maybe he didn't. Maybe he just saw Cape getting town read a lot and thought it sounded like a natural way to curry favor with Cape and saying it in a way Illario might say it as town. Either way, Cape/illario never w/w imo based on this.

Also wisdom has pocketed me a little bit with the 'oh no' lol

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:40
achro do u have a read on me?

Yes.

I think you have more scum equity in this game than others I have been in with you. I don't like how you town read me off of one interaction early, it felt very beneath your understanding of the type of player I am. I have no interest in you today because I understand the amazing value you can bring the more information you have, but I am disquieted.

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:41
Sorry for my performance today, I realize my brain isn't in top shape.

Vote: Illario

Didn't wanna self pres because I prefer doing my own thing and it's 90min left so neither me nor Illario is getting yeeted anyway because I know how much you guys love flash wagons, so voting Illario is kinda meh.

Had I been able to be up for another hour I might have given Boquise some attention because his play this game is confusing me.

Nutella town lol, sorry for not realizing earlier.

G'night!

okay

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:42
Who am I voting
Here for like a minute before sleep

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:43
I am disquieted.

congrats on the transition

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:43
congrats on the transition

huh?

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:44
huh?

it's a joke disquieted is a person

robyn
03-23-2023, 22:44
lol

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:45
it's a joke disquieted is a person

Oh, we were in a game together last year. Good player tbh

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 22:45
Votes as of Post #951 -- Day ends at 7PM EST, post cap lifts in 15 minutes




Illario (5) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Nutella Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario




No vote/Unvoted: Achro Boquise Lapras ladd

nutella
03-23-2023, 22:46
Who am I voting
Here for like a minute before sleep

illario imo


i found myself wanting to think wisdom is a hit but im much less sure there and if theyre town i think they may share a good insight with me on achro being kinda sus




cap for me back in 15min :curtain: will see how illario posts himself out of this lol

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:46
Sorry for my performance today, I realize my brain isn't in top shape.

Vote: Illario

Didn't wanna self pres because I prefer doing my own thing and it's 90min left so neither me nor Illario is getting yeeted anyway because I know how much you guys love flash wagons, so voting Illario is kinda meh.

Had I been able to be up for another hour I might have given Boquise some attention because his play this game is confusing me.

Nutella town lol, sorry for not realizing earlier.

G'night!

I genuinely don't understand what's confusing with my play but okay

This is low wim Boq. I make my reads, I exist. I rest
zzz

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 22:46
Visor, join

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:47
illario imo


i found myself wanting to think wisdom is a hit but im much less sure there and if theyre town i think they may share a good insight with me on achro being kinda sus




cap for me back in 15min :curtain: will see how illario posts himself out of this lol

I have no read on Illario. Why is he scum

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:47
Visor, join

Btw.

I haven't shaded you all day. I don't know why you thought I did.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 22:47
It is not yet winter here and yet somehow I have cold feet.

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:47
Votes as of Post #951 -- Day ends at 7PM EST, post cap lifts in 15 minutes




Illario (5) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Nutella Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario




No vote/Unvoted: Achro Boquise Lapras ladd

I have been voting Rask for ages ftr

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:48
oh my god illario thanked that post what is HAPPENING

#ThankReads

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 22:49
I genuinely don't understand what's confusing with my play but okay

This is low wim Boq. I make my reads, I exist. I rest
zzz

Hey it me

Syn
03-23-2023, 22:51
It is not yet winter here and yet somehow I have cold feet.

the wisdom wagon has a sauna

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:53
It is not yet winter here and yet somehow I have cold feet.

Are they cold enough to throw a Weedle into the fire?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 22:54
Are they cold enough to throw a Weedle into the fire?

No, that'd be outright frigid.

Cape90
03-23-2023, 22:55
just woke up lol here

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:55
I have been voting Rask for ages ftr

Itt no one not even the hosts have cared about my votes this game smh

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:56
Are they cold enough to throw a Weedle into the fire?

Why would you commit such a crime
What has Weedles done to you
Did you ever ask about my reason to vote Rask or was it more important to superimpose your own read there

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:57
Itt no one not even the hosts have cared about my votes this game smh

Did you ever get back to me about why you are voting Rask? I didn't see a mention.

Cape90
03-23-2023, 22:57
i thought ladd said it too?

no just illario and not boq

Cape90
03-23-2023, 22:57
these illario

oh about suspecting boq

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:57
i literally addressed illario's point though nut. I just didnt explain why the post pinged me initially. so it should have made sense to illario that I would change my vote to him. He literally pointed out that he said it not boq!

Everyone is so obsessed with me tbh

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:58
Why would you commit such a crime
What has Weedles done to you
Did you ever ask about my reason to vote Rask or was it more important to superimpose your own read there

Yes I did, in the very next post lol

why does no one read my posts

Boquise
03-23-2023, 22:58
Did you ever get back to me about why you are voting Rask? I didn't see a mention.

I don't know. Last thing i did was respond to you where i asked why you didn't care to ask

Cape90
03-23-2023, 22:58
Vote: illario

Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.

I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."

So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.

i will say this, you aren't falling into your wolf meta though the other time, i wondered how much of that was all a gimmick

Achro
03-23-2023, 22:59
Because I really like my angle there on v rask and I was more interested in protecting a town read than being curious about your vote on that tr specifically. But now that you mention it, why the vote?

I am pretty wall-y when I sit down at my computer as either alignment yeah. It sounds in character for me to mention that at some point, I asked because sometimes people overthink questions as scum and give forced answers. That one felt pretty natural though.

Boquise

illario
03-23-2023, 23:00
one day people will learn to read me, today is definitely not that day. ftr i think the only person here with the correct approach to me today was visor, so if any of you want to get better at reading me i suggest control'f my name in his iso for tips

if wisdom flips town, turbo robyn tomorrow.
once i flip, turbo nutella, their turn around on me was terrible, not sure how they go from thinking i pass the bar of vilaggariness earlier when i did nothing and then when i actually made some AI posts they think im wolf

idek how to feel about dya, but id rather see the other two be turbod. pounce on me and boq still feels powerwolfy, and overly aggressive for someone whose been so busy and hasnt been able to get into the game, probs is fine if boq ends up being a hit ig. defs isnt if boq is town.

as for ender might be worth looking into this game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39035-Anonymous-Avatar-the-Last-Airbender. idk one thing i noticed when we were wolfbros was that he struggled switching between wolfreads organically and got overly hung up and tied to one push (he was sokka this game and his push on me this game reminds me of his push on ty this game). though to his credit he does put in more effort to be townread as a wolf which he hasnt really done so far, so maybe thats a small plus in his favour

most of these are reactive reads and when im playing reactively im probs at my least accurate so like i could be wrong, but i dont really care. if it were upto me id personally solve boq before trying to solve wisdom because i think a boq!wolf flip helps clear wisdom and i probably think ur better off flipping me before flipping wisdom since the villas tunneled on me will hopefully realise theyre reading the game in reverse whereas i dont think the same effect will happen if you flip wisdom first and i kinda just expect the joat to poison me anyways in that scenario (personally i dont even know the case on wisdom, ive looked over there iso more than once and i dont see it, ig skill issue on my part if im wrong) but meh cest la vie

dont really disagree that rask,vulgard, cape, visor and maybeeee syn feels pretty pure.

Edit: wrote this second part a good deal after the previous words since I had more time to think on stuff. I think I’m even more sure now on not wanting to see wisdom flip. So much so that if the wagons are set on me vs wisdom today I’m prepared to vote myself to ensure she doesn’t die. I don’t want this to be interpreted as ate, it’s purely strategic. When I flip I want wisdom to be given a pass until d3 and people should look into other slots, I think she’s >rand v and probably just short of being towncore material. Though I’m not sure how much of this read is logic focussed as opposed to illario focused (don’t ask me to elaborate on this point I won’t). But I do believe In worlds where me and wisdom are v/v we lose this game more often than not by chain voting us and I am not really too worried about worlds where it is just v!me and w!wisdom cos I don’t think she’s ever endgaming here as a wolf so I kinda want her to be given space for a day or so and if people are still set on her being a wolf d3 or something then feel free to kill her. I just think too much of peoples mental space has been occupied with trying to read me and wisdom which are slots most of y’all are just historically bad at reading anyways and that time could be better spent reading literally any other slot. No offense . I’d want more focus to be on people like zeus and achro. Zeus could be an underwhelming wolf here, achro could be a wolf whose just been playing a reasonable archetype.

Not sure how much I want nutella to be turbod anymore after I thought about it. If I take aside her terrible progression on me and wisdom I think she’s more towny than not ig.


As soon as I post this I have to leave to work, I might be able to have a sneak peak around the last 15-20 minutes before eod. If I see a wagon on boq/Robyn I’d be happy to switch my vote from myself to them. I dont think either is defs a lock hit, but knowing their alignments probs helps me more than knowing others and theyve both been pingy enough at times that i can see either flipping a wolf. Otherwise I’m pretty content with thinking that my flip is the most beneficial here and then just asking people to give wisdom space after. I don’t oppose to the joat holding their poison tonight if they don’t think they’re at risk of dying to the mafia NK, if u wanna fps and doc save someone imo visor is a good choice for this game.

Gl

(Also to anyone who will probably ask, “illario, fypov you are 100% town and wisdom isn’t, why vote yourself over her” . Sure to me I’m confirmed town 100% of the time, but I have a 0% confidence in anyone’s ability to read me that’s not modbot, so whilst I’m not 100% confident in wisdom being town I think she is more findable than I am if we are in fact v/v) (edited)


edit part 2: from my earlier towncore if i had to say who i feel least confident on its probs rask even if his name is first. mostly just since visor seems concerned there and i could be lowballing rasks wolf game, i just remember not really struggling to catch him in other games he was a wolf so maybe im being too confident with my approach to him this game, maybe id replace him with ladd in my townlist......but idk if thats a good idea

edit part 3: yeah probs not confident enough to put ladd in there but still think hes felt good enough and i dont sense any agenda from ladds posts, so still in the townlean but not towncore space in my head.

vote: illario

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:00
Yes I did, in the very next post lol

why does no one read my posts

I stopped viewing the thread after that moment

I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me

It isn't much, which is why i wrote "maybe" with the vote. But sometimes wolves like to do that to sow disagreements in town. Having Nutella not push me is not a good thing for wolves if she is town

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:01
ender is outed because i caught him bedding a twink

i think ender meant

"Robyn is just null because ender gotten wolf and town pings from Robyn"

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:01
one day people will learn to read me, today is definitely not that day. ftr i think the only person here with the correct approach to me today was visor, so if any of you want to get better at reading me i suggest control'f my name in his iso for tips

if wisdom flips town, turbo robyn tomorrow.
once i flip, turbo nutella, their turn around on me was terrible, not sure how they go from thinking i pass the bar of vilaggariness earlier when i did nothing and then when i actually made some AI posts they think im wolf

idek how to feel about dya, but id rather see the other two be turbod. pounce on me and boq still feels powerwolfy, and overly aggressive for someone whose been so busy and hasnt been able to get into the game, probs is fine if boq ends up being a hit ig. defs isnt if boq is town.

as for ender might be worth looking into this game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39035-Anonymous-Avatar-the-Last-Airbender. idk one thing i noticed when we were wolfbros was that he struggled switching between wolfreads organically and got overly hung up and tied to one push (he was sokka this game and his push on me this game reminds me of his push on ty this game). though to his credit he does put in more effort to be townread as a wolf which he hasnt really done so far, so maybe thats a small plus in his favour

most of these are reactive reads and when im playing reactively im probs at my least accurate so like i could be wrong, but i dont really care. if it were upto me id personally solve boq before trying to solve wisdom because i think a boq!wolf flip helps clear wisdom and i probably think ur better off flipping me before flipping wisdom since the villas tunneled on me will hopefully realise theyre reading the game in reverse whereas i dont think the same effect will happen if you flip wisdom first and i kinda just expect the joat to poison me anyways in that scenario (personally i dont even know the case on wisdom, ive looked over there iso more than once and i dont see it, ig skill issue on my part if im wrong) but meh cest la vie

dont really disagree that rask,vulgard, cape, visor and maybeeee syn feels pretty pure.

Edit: wrote this second part a good deal after the previous words since I had more time to think on stuff. I think I’m even more sure now on not wanting to see wisdom flip. So much so that if the wagons are set on me vs wisdom today I’m prepared to vote myself to ensure she doesn’t die. I don’t want this to be interpreted as ate, it’s purely strategic. When I flip I want wisdom to be given a pass until d3 and people should look into other slots, I think she’s >rand v and probably just short of being towncore material. Though I’m not sure how much of this read is logic focussed as opposed to illario focused (don’t ask me to elaborate on this point I won’t). But I do believe In worlds where me and wisdom are v/v we lose this game more often than not by chain voting us and I am not really too worried about worlds where it is just v!me and w!wisdom cos I don’t think she’s ever endgaming here as a wolf so I kinda want her to be given space for a day or so and if people are still set on her being a wolf d3 or something then feel free to kill her. I just think too much of peoples mental space has been occupied with trying to read me and wisdom which are slots most of y’all are just historically bad at reading anyways and that time could be better spent reading literally any other slot. No offense . I’d want more focus to be on people like zeus and achro. Zeus could be an underwhelming wolf here, achro could be a wolf whose just been playing a reasonable archetype.

Not sure how much I want nutella to be turbod anymore after I thought about it. If I take aside her terrible progression on me and wisdom I think she’s more towny than not ig.


As soon as I post this I have to leave to work, I might be able to have a sneak peak around the last 15-20 minutes before eod. If I see a wagon on boq/Robyn I’d be happy to switch my vote from myself to them. I dont think either is defs a lock hit, but knowing their alignments probs helps me more than knowing others and theyve both been pingy enough at times that i can see either flipping a wolf. Otherwise I’m pretty content with thinking that my flip is the most beneficial here and then just asking people to give wisdom space after. I don’t oppose to the joat holding their poison tonight if they don’t think they’re at risk of dying to the mafia NK, if u wanna fps and doc save someone imo visor is a good choice for this game.

Gl

(Also to anyone who will probably ask, “illario, fypov you are 100% town and wisdom isn’t, why vote yourself over her” . Sure to me I’m confirmed town 100% of the time, but I have a 0% confidence in anyone’s ability to read me that’s not modbot, so whilst I’m not 100% confident in wisdom being town I think she is more findable than I am if we are in fact v/v) (edited)


edit part 2: from my earlier towncore if i had to say who i feel least confident on its probs rask even if his name is first. mostly just since visor seems concerned there and i could be lowballing rasks wolf game, i just remember not really struggling to catch him in other games he was a wolf so maybe im being too confident with my approach to him this game, maybe id replace him with ladd in my townlist......but idk if thats a good idea

edit part 3: yeah probs not confident enough to put ladd in there but still think hes felt good enough and i dont sense any agenda from ladds posts, so still in the townlean but not towncore space in my head.

vote: illario

happy for you or sorry that happened

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:01
this is to say i think ender is now town so like uh

VOTE: dyachei

???

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:02
Mod reminder, please use VOTE: or UNVOTE: with the colon so it is easy for us to find. No guarantee we will count votes without the colon as we may overlook them.

Boquise this is why they missed it btw you didnt have the colon so it didn't show up for their ctrl f

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:03
im getting close to voting nutella for that response to illario's wall thing post

i already expressed i think he's town smh

get good town

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:03
once i flip, turbo nutella, their turn around on me was terrible, not sure how they go from thinking i pass the bar of vilaggariness earlier when i did nothing and then when i actually made some AI posts they think im wolf


ha yeah this is just terrible

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:03
im getting close to voting nutella for that response to illario's wall thing post

i already expressed i think he's town smh

get good town

i'm reading the wall now and it sucks so far

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:04
oh lol. some stuff from you has pinged me, like the whole made up reads business. still not sure what you were hoping to achieve, for someone who wanted to rush us out of rvs i dont think you have done much with the info in the thread since. most of the reads you have given have felt kinda easy to give and some of them im not sure i buy the explanations to. your continual focus on how im reading you might be towny (?), it usually is >rand v for people in general but i suppose i wouldnt put it past wolf!you to try and keep tabs on me to see if u got me tricked or not since you would probably get satisfaction out of that.

"i will re read ender and boq bc i figure that harder stances on these two players will be illuminating"

kinda liked that post from you


but then some other posts you ask i dont really get, mostly your questions, i dont see where you're going with them

"dya what?s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads"

like this one, not sure why you're particularly concerned with dyas read on you, and not sure why you are concerned about them having anti consensus reads or not since your own reads so far have lined up with consensus. i dont really see how asking any of that helps u solve dya there.

u have a lack of pushes, tbh i dont recall if this is AI for you in any way

ummm what else. ig i think i would expect you to maybe post more as a wolf? Since you have generally been focusing on keeping a high post count in the other games u were a wolf, but you could also be burnt out a bit or be expecting me to expect that so i havent really factored that into my read on you too much.

yaaa this is town

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:04
one day people will learn to read me, today is definitely not that day. ftr i think the only person here with the correct approach to me today was visor, so if any of you want to get better at reading me i suggest control'f my name in his iso for tips

if wisdom flips town, turbo robyn tomorrow.
once i flip, turbo nutella, their turn around on me was terrible, not sure how they go from thinking i pass the bar of vilaggariness earlier when i did nothing and then when i actually made some AI posts they think im wolf

idek how to feel about dya, but id rather see the other two be turbod. pounce on me and boq still feels powerwolfy, and overly aggressive for someone whose been so busy and hasnt been able to get into the game, probs is fine if boq ends up being a hit ig. defs isnt if boq is town.

as for ender might be worth looking into this game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39035-Anonymous-Avatar-the-Last-Airbender. idk one thing i noticed when we were wolfbros was that he struggled switching between wolfreads organically and got overly hung up and tied to one push (he was sokka this game and his push on me this game reminds me of his push on ty this game). though to his credit he does put in more effort to be townread as a wolf which he hasnt really done so far, so maybe thats a small plus in his favour

most of these are reactive reads and when im playing reactively im probs at my least accurate so like i could be wrong, but i dont really care. if it were upto me id personally solve boq before trying to solve wisdom because i think a boq!wolf flip helps clear wisdom and i probably think ur better off flipping me before flipping wisdom since the villas tunneled on me will hopefully realise theyre reading the game in reverse whereas i dont think the same effect will happen if you flip wisdom first and i kinda just expect the joat to poison me anyways in that scenario (personally i dont even know the case on wisdom, ive looked over there iso more than once and i dont see it, ig skill issue on my part if im wrong) but meh cest la vie

dont really disagree that rask,vulgard, cape, visor and maybeeee syn feels pretty pure.

Edit: wrote this second part a good deal after the previous words since I had more time to think on stuff. I think I’m even more sure now on not wanting to see wisdom flip. So much so that if the wagons are set on me vs wisdom today I’m prepared to vote myself to ensure she doesn’t die. I don’t want this to be interpreted as ate, it’s purely strategic. When I flip I want wisdom to be given a pass until d3 and people should look into other slots, I think she’s >rand v and probably just short of being towncore material. Though I’m not sure how much of this read is logic focussed as opposed to illario focused (don’t ask me to elaborate on this point I won’t). But I do believe In worlds where me and wisdom are v/v we lose this game more often than not by chain voting us and I am not really too worried about worlds where it is just v!me and w!wisdom cos I don’t think she’s ever endgaming here as a wolf so I kinda want her to be given space for a day or so and if people are still set on her being a wolf d3 or something then feel free to kill her. I just think too much of peoples mental space has been occupied with trying to read me and wisdom which are slots most of y’all are just historically bad at reading anyways and that time could be better spent reading literally any other slot. No offense . I’d want more focus to be on people like zeus and achro. Zeus could be an underwhelming wolf here, achro could be a wolf whose just been playing a reasonable archetype.

Not sure how much I want nutella to be turbod anymore after I thought about it. If I take aside her terrible progression on me and wisdom I think she’s more towny than not ig.


As soon as I post this I have to leave to work, I might be able to have a sneak peak around the last 15-20 minutes before eod. If I see a wagon on boq/Robyn I’d be happy to switch my vote from myself to them. I dont think either is defs a lock hit, but knowing their alignments probs helps me more than knowing others and theyve both been pingy enough at times that i can see either flipping a wolf. Otherwise I’m pretty content with thinking that my flip is the most beneficial here and then just asking people to give wisdom space after. I don’t oppose to the joat holding their poison tonight if they don’t think they’re at risk of dying to the mafia NK, if u wanna fps and doc save someone imo visor is a good choice for this game.

Gl

(Also to anyone who will probably ask, “illario, fypov you are 100% town and wisdom isn’t, why vote yourself over her” . Sure to me I’m confirmed town 100% of the time, but I have a 0% confidence in anyone’s ability to read me that’s not modbot, so whilst I’m not 100% confident in wisdom being town I think she is more findable than I am if we are in fact v/v) (edited)


edit part 2: from my earlier towncore if i had to say who i feel least confident on its probs rask even if his name is first. mostly just since visor seems concerned there and i could be lowballing rasks wolf game, i just remember not really struggling to catch him in other games he was a wolf so maybe im being too confident with my approach to him this game, maybe id replace him with ladd in my townlist......but idk if thats a good idea

edit part 3: yeah probs not confident enough to put ladd in there but still think hes felt good enough and i dont sense any agenda from ladds posts, so still in the townlean but not towncore space in my head.

vote: illario

Given my activity and the mood from my posts, I don't see how anyone can read me as "powerwolfy" or even "overly aggressive". Like ever.

I guess the way to go is to artificially adjust my postings to appropriate levels based on my activity then

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:04
turbo me if wisdom town????? what is that

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:05
vote:lapras

Still not here and have not read illario wall

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:05
the part about ender is kinda interesting though if illario does flip town i would definitely be questioning ender heavily again

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:05
Idk that's reached

But i feel more comfortable staying on where I have a thought of my own so goodnight


Pssst, this is the perfect time wolves to cfd me. Come at me

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:05
i didnt like him talking about how wisdom or cape has solved the game

that post pinged me a lot

i think it was a more "they are going to solve the game if they are villagers" type of thing. which is why it didn't ping me

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:06
I’d want more focus to be on people like zeus and achro. Zeus could be an underwhelming wolf here, achro could be a wolf whose just been playing a reasonable archetype.



wait okay this is actually really good though lol

maybe we just go back to lapras

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:06
Wisdom thinks i am empty
Illario thinks I am aggressive

If I was a marvel character I'd be Mysterio tbh

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:07
Boquise this is why they missed it btw you didnt have the colon so it didn't show up for their ctrl f

Oh
Thanks
Vote: Rask

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:08
chill game
15 paragraphs and a self vote

I mean PROBABLY town just based off the sheer audacity tbh

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:08
trying to find out whether dya's push scummy or if they doing this charade which i associate with a couple other players when they are town (Michelle, Guillotina like specifically)

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:08
Ew. Bleh. See part of my wolfread on illario is purely because he's just seen me wolf and should know this is so far in my town meta that unless I was explicitly trying to leverage it against the people who know me in game (a reasonable argument I would've expected) instead I get this weird "Blade doesn't know how to shift gears as wolf" which is probably wrong (See G1 of Quals last year) but could be right given how rigid I felt as wolf last game in the game he's referenced.

But more importantly he's had a good record of townreading me correctly when we're v/v and this take feels wild when he's actually correctly read me off my tunnelledness.

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:08
Actually vote: dyachei

Maybe?

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:08
Boquise

Cool tbh