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I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.
would really like this to be substantiated though. i didn't feel much similarity to the recent mash and felt some more genuine tone in his posts so i wanna see what you found
literally told you why I'd be limited
I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.
I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you
also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks
I was slightly confused about that and had my disagreements with it but I can see it since it does fit a certain town archetype i have for certain players I have in my head, I have expressed this day 1 ago
I was slightly confused about that and had my disagreements with it but I can see it since it does fit a certain town archetype i have for certain players I have in my head, I have expressed this day 1 ago
confused about what exactly
disclaimer: im horrible at reading dyachei
In the most recent totalwar game I was in, I suspected literally every mafia EXCEPT dya who i townread day 2
confused about what exactly
the point about illario saying that if me and wisdom are town, that we have the gamesolve.
You said this pinged you and that both me and Wisdom usually are better at solving the game in later days (actually true in terms of me so good job).
But I just disagreed the statement was scummy.
the point about illario saying that if me and wisdom are town, that we have the gamesolve.
You said this pinged you and that both me and Wisdom usually are better at solving the game in later days (actually true in terms of me so good job).
But I just disagreed the statement was scummy.
the statement was not about solving the game later as i read it. it said you were closest to the solve. which given how both of you develop reads, pinged me
vote: boquise
im being more convinced we should just resolve this first but every muscle in my body wants to vote lapras too
Well we are now on the same page
but I will just say it was me skimming a game from 2020 from Boq and it did feel like his tone was the same, I didn't have a lot of time overnight.
I would have to go deeper and get back to you on the meta thing in more detail
ill be afk in a bit but i should be able to make last 30 mins of the day or so
v
ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella
feel v confident there are all villas and i am weirdly confident visor is a villager too evne tho i am not gonna add him to the list above cause objectively he could still be a wolf
rest is a bit up in the air
i have exact list of towns as ladd + dz - ladd
interesting
i know my gamestate read is correct
therefore ladd is townsiding
therefore ladd town?
would wolf ladd ruthlessly townside?
ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella
robyn
dz
one in ender/illario
am i just correct in thinking that this is the gamestate
wolves got boned if so
syn/cape/vulgard/lapras/rask/nutella
visor/ladd/illario/achro/ender
boq/wisdom/dya
i think top row should be all town
bottom two have all wolves
it?s big and not too ordered but i think that i?m solving in dz town worlds more than you town worlds
assuming you?re town that clears visor and like if you?re both clear my top row is clear
i think if you?re both wolves you can catch one, and it?s either an easy or a hard world as you?ve said
i am gonna put more effort into this after i sleep but that?s where i?m at
my last post here is long before ladd posted his readslist
I didnt get home until after deadline, sorry.
that's fine, I was more making a point, especially given that 2 of the illario voters were there and pretty settled on illario
that's fine, I was more making a point, especially given that 2 of the illario voters were there and pretty settled on illario
and out of everyone, I wouldn't have expected you to swap there even with me thinking he was town after just playing scum illario
Achro
Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
Wisdom
everyone else is town, this has 2-3 wolves
i know who joat is now
MOD NOTE:
Question: Is there maj? The OP said nothing about it.
Answer: I did a shit job copy/pasting the OP from the last game and deserved to be mocked via org emotes. Yes there is Maj, yes it is in effect, and with 13 people in the game the magic number is 7
The OP will be fixed with this info.
MOD NOTE:
Question: Is there maj? The OP said nothing about it.
Answer: I did a shit job copy/pasting the OP from the last game and deserved to be mocked via org emotes. Yes there is Maj, yes it is in effect, and with 13 people in the game the magic number is 7
The OP will be fixed with this info.
EVERYONE UNVOTE, I WANT THE FULL 24H
robyn i understand why youre mad at the poisoner's choice and need to get that out of your system but would you like to use the day to contribute to solving before you die
what do you think of {achro lapras wisdom} as a solve
we are officially best friends
i like cape's boq case though
48 whatever, i have 5 cases to do and i apparently have to towncase dz and nutella as well because people just lack basic causal understanding idk
48 whatever, i have 5 cases to do and i apparently have to towncase dz and nutella as well because people just lack basic causal understanding idk
i'm willing to sheep you on dz if you believe it this strongly
i should probably start reading isos but i have very little motivation to do so right now
i dont think lapras has been involved enough to be v read
still think cape and nut are v
syn might be a wolf especially if boq is, they thought nutella was a wolf pretty strongly but voted nutella at eod which is just terrible
only way syn is a wolf is if syn/boq/rask
but that team is too easy and ladd tr syn/rask
occam's razor syn is town and just played like he did in the amrock 14er where he misunderstands situations and gamestates making him towny
EVERYONE UNVOTE, I WANT THE FULL 24H
there's only 3 on boquise
occam's razor syn is town and just played like he did in the amrock 14er where he misunderstands situations and gamestates making him towny
mfw get called stupid because I made a single post saying "chopping pzelda is silly" and spent the rest of the game convincing an unwilling town to chop obvious-wolf ender who only ended up getting chopped because of a red check
MOD NOTE:
Question: Is there maj? The OP said nothing about it.
Answer: I did a shit job copy/pasting the OP from the last game and deserved to be mocked via org emotes. Yes there is Maj, yes it is in effect, and with 13 people in the game the magic number is 7
The OP will be fixed with this info.
:computer:
this sure feels a lot like syn's v game (comparing to the last game we played here)
like it makes no sense to me that you're approaching this as a dichotomy with ender's vote on you because you were the one that pointed out the post that pinged me was by you, not boq. So you should see that relating it to ender's vote on you means absolutely nothing as either alignment
yeah but the timing just doesnt feel right to me and im not even sure why thats scummy to you? like why do you think as a wolf i would just bring your attention to that as casually as i did? (i suppose it could be wifom but eh)
idk just feels like you're missing some steps in the process, like what about the quote that wisdom/cape might be closer than others to solving the game is so scummy that it warrants a vote despite whoever says it. i think my reasoning makes sense, it wouldnt make sense for boq to say it because both of them were pushing boq. but it would make sense for me to say it since it was more aligned to my reads than others had been at the time. so why is that quote so scummy despite whoever says it iyo?
illario
you and boq need different avatars. It still pings me from you but not as much as if it came from boq. But reading boq's posts again just now has me feeling ok on him with the exception of disliking his rask vote
vote: illario
can anyone tell me if dya would say this as a wolf?
it does kinda feel like they wolfed the chop, but they're also never with boq, i think?
i have to think more, boq/dya always has one wolf in them but never two?
because vig missed that means town has 2 mischops until lylo
hey visor what are you doing this game?
can anyone tell me if dya would say this as a wolf?
it does kinda feel like they wolfed the chop, but they're also never with boq, i think?
i have to think more, boq/dya always has one wolf in them but never two?
because vig missed that means town has 2 mischops until lylo
nope, I wouldn't
can anyone tell me if dya would say this as a wolf?
it does kinda feel like they wolfed the chop, but they're also never with boq, i think?
i have to think more, boq/dya always has one wolf in them but never two?
because vig missed that means town has 2 mischops until lylo
nope, I wouldn't
hey visor what are you doing this game?
contemplating existence
kill boq, if town turbo wisdom/dya if town
kill boq, if scum there's two wolves who aren't wisdom/dya
which means one in achro/dz
and last wolf is left for town so town doesn't fucking int like n1
that's about where i'm at atm
If boq flips wolf I am going to get concerned about cape. It is a bit concerning that the thread state read on me is either dismissal, poe, or 'yeah fuck that achro guy' and cape alone is like 'God achro is such obvious town look at him go.'
I like to think I am pretty transparent this game but I recently had a town game where town was not understanding my points at all and and a wolf came in and labeled me obvious town.
I guess counter to this is that iirc cape found me pretty quick in gravity falls. I think that was cape.
If boq flips wolf I am going to get concerned about cape. It is a bit concerning that the thread state read on me is either dismissal, poe, or 'yeah fuck that achro guy' and cape alone is like 'God achro is such obvious town look at him go.'
I like to think I am pretty transparent this game but I recently had a town game where town was not understanding my points at all and and a wolf came in and labeled me obvious town.
I guess counter to this is that iirc cape found me pretty quick in gravity falls. I think that was cape.
If boq flips town*
contemplating existence
what do you think about it so far?
kill boq, if town turbo wisdom/dya if town
kill boq, if scum there's two wolves who aren't wisdom/dya
which means one in achro/dz
and last wolf is left for town so town doesn't fucking int like n1
that's about where i'm at atm
What are you seeing in boq/dz worlds
what do you think about it so far?
it exists
What are you seeing in boq/dz worlds
nothing, that just means the team isn't in my poe
achro
dya
ender
boq
wisdom
since boq/wisdom/dya presumably town
and dz's been sussed hard
there are others but that's the first thing that came to mind
talk to me about achro and ender, robyn
it sucks the joat is fucking obvious after poisoning me, it's literally only one person and that pisses me off more than poisoning me, leaving joat cover is just embarrassingly poor holy fuck
talk to me about achro and ender, robyn
i need to iso them, i intend to meta case ender one way or another tonight
illario had you as a tr so i'll let you be town since it doesn't mess up my worldview
do you intend to participate more today?
i don't know what you think about the gamestate besides and i haven't seen into you do anything except be wrong on me
i need to see more
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 01:58
Don't meta-case me until I get my popcorn. I am v curious what comes out of this.
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:00
Despite my biggest sus flipping town I'm still pretty keyed into my little world of Vul/Nutella being town rn?
But I'm also adding Dya to that maybe for stupid reasons.
I had at least one more townread.
I didn't townread Robyn last night but kinda maybe townreading Robyn now.
Despite my biggest sus flipping town I'm still pretty keyed into my little world of Vul/Nutella being town rn?
But I'm also adding Dya to that maybe for stupid reasons.
I had at least one more townread.
I didn't townread Robyn last night but kinda maybe townreading Robyn now.
what has dya done to make you townread them
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:06
Also I retract my Syn hard townread for now.
Though I think he's still town? I just gotta deal with the fact that his worldview is kinda wild.
Also I retract my Syn hard townread for now.
Though I think he's still town? I just gotta deal with the fact that his worldview is kinda wild.
does his worldview being wild preclude him from being town?
consider that people thought his worldview wasnt right the last game
Also I retract my Syn hard townread for now.
Though I think he's still town? I just gotta deal with the fact that his worldview is kinda wild.
is it more or less wild than shrug-chopping boquise because a last-second flash-wagon failed on d1 with everyone collectively adopting the revisionist history take of "illario was super townie actually"
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:15
what has dya done to make you townread them
I am tired enough I had a half-typed response to this and then clicked refresh without thinking lmao.
I am the first to tell you I don't have a great read on Dya but
The whole thing about thinking they were yest's counter at daystart honestly felt more like dya towngames. The annoyed justifications that stemmed from it etc. Just not sure I'd see that as a misunderstanding they'd have as wolf.
Disclaimer I did say it was a dumb reason.
ender can you do me a favor and post a full readslist
and your top 2 wolfreads, assuming rask/syn town
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:16
is it more or less wild than shrug-chopping boquise because a last-second flash-wagon failed on d1 with everyone collectively adopting the revisionist history take of "illario was super townie actually"
I honestly am not surprised at people regretting chopping illario D1.
Hell I do too.
How they express that regret is nyeh and you instantly scumreading the people who said that isn't gonna hit 75% of the time.
I honestly am not surprised at people regretting chopping illario D1.
Hell I do too.
How they express that regret is nyeh and you instantly scumreading the people who said that isn't gonna hit 75% of the time.
i scumread three people, one of which who isn't even awake and hasn't posted yet
but continue with the shade I guess
visor
nutella - probably just a villager 95% of the time, became her more freeflowing self after a stiff start, don't really care that she was v wrong on illario
wisdom - probably a Bad Read (tm) but i trust illarios read there and think they kinda improved going into eod, and their unvote was not very villagery, but a villagery kind of not very villagery
vulgard - seems to be doing his own thing, possibly a blind spot here, but posts seemed roughly like what i expect them to be
cape - haven't really paid much attention to his posts but they seem reasonable enough
lapras - not sure what to make of drz though i think him wolfreading me yet again is prob a good sign
achro - go back and forth here, mild v read for esoteric reasons
raskol - need to reread
syn - posting is way more aggressive than previous game, still debating what to take away from it
ender - posts just feel weird bronana
dyachei - feel like they tried to latch onto me earlier, feel like they are struggling to be proactive
boq - wolfread by ladd, had a good post vs nutella but kinda eh
robyn - ded (tho do think prob villa)
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:18
does his worldview being wild preclude him from being town?
consider that people thought his worldview wasnt right the last game
Evidently not. See my post where I explicitly say "But I think he might still be town."
i scumread three people, one of which who isn't even awake and hasn't posted yet
but continue with the shade I guess
shade doesn't even make sense since it relies on ignoring the first half of my sentence
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:20
ender can you do me a favor and post a full readslist
and your top 2 wolfreads, assuming rask/syn town
Full reads list I'll hold off until I reread.
Lapras/Wisdom is top 2 before me thinking over things.
I hold the right to change this later.
Wisdom is one I personally believe is wolfy but I am hedging on because of illario's read?
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 02:20
Achro is my replacement if I decide to take out Wisdom as of RIGHT right now.
visor
nutella - probably just a villager 95% of the time, became her more freeflowing self after a stiff start, don't really care that she was v wrong on illario
wisdom - probably a Bad Read (tm) but i trust illarios read there and think they kinda improved going into eod, and their unvote was not very villagery, but a villagery kind of not very villagery
vulgard - seems to be doing his own thing, possibly a blind spot here, but posts seemed roughly like what i expect them to be
cape - haven't really paid much attention to his posts but they seem reasonable enough
lapras - not sure what to make of drz though i think him wolfreading me yet again is prob a good sign
achro - go back and forth here, mild v read for esoteric reasons
raskol - need to reread
syn - posting is way more aggressive than previous game, still debating what to take away from it
ender - posts just feel weird bronana
dyachei - feel like they tried to latch onto me earlier, feel like they are struggling to be proactive
boq - wolfread by ladd, had a good post vs nutella but kinda eh
robyn - ded (tho do think prob villa)
im trying to get into the game more after irl shit
like yeah, i get that you guys wanted more from me d1, but i literally had to scramble to get a job ad together so everytime i caught up on the thread, i was pulled away to do something else job related
my last post here is long before ladd posted his readslist
Visor
not hyperbole but i think i had the most accurate reads d1 and ladd being the nk kinda proves that
i think his townlist is just clear, otherwise he wouldn't die and i wouldn't have the exact readslist before he made his
you should solve in worlds where we were right, then it becomes pretty simple
ender/boq/dya is a fine poe, probs 2 wolves, can you sure up your reads here instead of hunting outside of poe?
why is rask a wolf, visor?
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
I feel like a lot of people are saying lapras is howling but not explaining that read. I iso'd vul and came away thinking that case was more tunnel than genius so I would like to hear more detailed thoughts there.
Will be pretty busy tonight but I should be around later.
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
Syn lock clear wow. Didn't see that one coming.
someone tell me how to read achro
someone tell me how to read achro
ask chatgpt to summarize the post
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
i mean i just believe nutella is a villager
my wisdom read is a little lazy i will accept
ask chatgpt to summarize the post
is there a way to do this for free without hitting a limit?
Beneath the sky's expanse so wide and stark,
My heart is rent, the joy of life now fled,
For she who graced my days with songs of lark,
My feline friend, lies silent, cold, and dead.
Her supple form, once lithe and full of grace,
Did prowl the night, a stealthy hunter's gait,
With verdant eyes, so keen to stalk and chase,
Her prey, they fell, to her triumphant fate.
Her regal air, she held her head up high,
In every room, the queenly throne she'd claim,
But now, I weep, no solace can I find,
My tears, like rain, pour endless from my frame.
Oh, cruel fate, my dearest friend to take,
My heart is shattered, ne'er again to wake.
someone tell me how to read achro
As town
Sorry for my performance today, I realize my brain isn't in top shape.
Vote: Illario
Didn't wanna self pres because I prefer doing my own thing and it's 90min left so neither me nor Illario is getting yeeted anyway because I know how much you guys love flash wagons, so voting Illario is kinda meh.
Had I been able to be up for another hour I might have given Boquise some attention because his play this game is confusing me.
Nutella town lol, sorry for not realizing earlier.
G'night!
nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.
That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.
i'll be back later, all my townreads are correct via ladd nk, this is a basic deduction considering that LADD WAS THE NIGHTKILL
i should read ender meta
Haven't done nka yet but I'm pretty sure ladd died for being ladd rather than being right, although most of that is based on him wolf reading me wrongly.
Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro
robyn i understand why youre mad at the poisoner's choice and need to get that out of your system but would you like to use the day to contribute to solving before you die
what do you think of {achro lapras wisdom} as a solve
Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro
https://64.media.tumblr.com/8c312f9f4b07f632c2963256c226417c/86bdae1a9a444f57-fd/s500x750/d45fdf60944dc014ce2ccc2610855368ad32c605.jpg
I am sorry to say that actually I am threadspewed town because basically everyone aside from Cape has either shaded me or dismissed me outright.
Please re-evaluate. God bless.
somebody save meeee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdCzs5uPrI
Syn what are you even doing this game
Syn what are you even doing this game
i want you to know that i was really tempted to ask chatgpt to write me a response to this question in 300 words, roleplaying as a noir detective
anyway i'm doing my worst wbu
i want you to know that i was really tempted to ask chatgpt to write me a response to this question in 300 words, roleplaying as a noir detective
anyway i'm doing my worst wbu
that would put you in the top 5 of interactions I've had this game.
tbh, kind of bad here. I tend to like to get a grasp of the game through how people treat me and so far there's been a lot of nothing there. Judging by my thread positioning it's -ev for town to do that so I need to figure out what's going on there. I thought maybe people just have no taste in rp, but I've got the second most posts in this game and it genuinely feels like barely anyone has taken the time to get a grasp on anything I've done if it doesn't relate directly to them.
Syn tell me more about nutella's opening wolfing. What gives her away?
that would put you in the top 5 of interactions I've had this game.
tbh, kind of bad here. I tend to like to get a grasp of the game through how people treat me and so far there's been a lot of nothing there. Judging by my thread positioning it's -ev for town to do that so I need to figure out what's going on there. I thought maybe people just have no taste in rp, but I've got the second most posts in this game and it genuinely feels like barely anyone has taken the time to get a grasp on anything I've done if it doesn't relate directly to them.
that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed
(i dismissed you too so lol me)
that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed
(i dismissed you too so lol me)
This does seem like a possibility, but that possibility doesn't jive well with nutella being scum given she at least poked me.
Syn tell me more about nutella's opening wolfing. What gives her away?
really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)
saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)
is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon
I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips
both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic
Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro
by the way achro is talking right now and has been day 1, I would perfer not him.
Given my activity and the mood from my posts, I don't see how anyone can read me as "powerwolfy" or even "overly aggressive". Like ever.
I guess the way to go is to artificially adjust my postings to appropriate levels based on my activity then
i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37186-Role-Madness-Automation-Not-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.
I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh
really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)
saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)
is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon
I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips
both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic
So let me see if I follow.
Team of Nutella/Vul/Wisdom
Wanted a counter wagon that wasn't Wisdom so people would turn back the clock and forget that was the counter wagon for a time.
Made sure Illario was the one to go over so now Boq, town victim and counterwagon, would naturally be in danger today and future days since resolving counterwagons is generally +ev and Boq had suspicion to spare on himself.
The votes from those three I believe were -
Nutella who wanted illario, waned off a bit, ended back on
Vul who missed EOD
Wisdom who didnt want to counter vote but ended up doing that all the same.
Hm.
im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game
This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough
they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.
Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37746-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-Two?p=6471120#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.
And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too
The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.
There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.
I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.
really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)
saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)
is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon
I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips
both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic
I should really just not entertain this post but all of these things are really just town indicative for me and you should know that to at least some extent
especially the holding multiple possible solves part. like yes i kind of just want boq to be a hit now even though i wasn't there yesterday. but i have other suspects that i am thinking through.
vulgard is just obvious town and you should just take the L there dude
youre either faking your continued confidence in this world or somehow have an extremely skewed idea of how skilled my wolf game is lol. if you really think i'm "setting achro up as a mischop" i don't know what to tell you except find a game where i was a wolf and let it dissolve your tinfoil
i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37186-Role-Madness-Automation-Not-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.
I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh
just glancing at that iso and from my other experiences with him, i do kinda feel like he's shown a bit of the depth of thought in this game that he typically lacks as wolf. like his iso there is very thin and shallow. it's not *much* better here so far but there are a few things like his narration of thoughts on wisdom and on me that go a little beyond what i've seen from his wolf games
im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game
This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough
they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.
Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37746-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-Two?p=6471120#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.
And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too
The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.
There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.
I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.
this helps though too. the fact that you're seeing that stark of a difference does mean a bit to me, even if i feel like he's more in between the two extremes in this game so far and could go both ways
again i do *want* him to be a hit here and robyn's poe stuff earlier as well as dya improving somewhat also made me feel it's more likely
but there was that moment where i said i was townlocking him for like...how i understood his depth of thought in a way that resonated. idk
also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying
there's actually no legible wolf motivation for what he's describing me as having purportedly done unless boq is a wolf but that isn't part of his solve it just doesn't make sense
he either thinks wolves would particularly want illario to go over rather than a slot that has more potential to remain in mischop territory -- but then why does the part about catalyzing a counterwagon mean anything
or he perspective slipped boq w
or he's town syn with bad opinions not really thinking through the actual implications of his goofy tunnel because he wants to be different
Would have been pretty cool if I could have walked through more stuff with syn and getting more thoughts before you summoned exodia the forbidden one against his post nutella
Was hoping to get more perspective there to solve lol.
the throughline for all of my votes and takes is there if you bother to look for it
if you can use the plinko board tell on wisdom you can also understand how my play has been waterfally
anyway you're gonna love this but i don't think i'm going to push wisdom much today, will see how they continue. also not feeling a dya vote anymore, they could still be a wolf but i have a better vibe from them today as well. while robyn has more focus on those two slots (particularly in boq v worlds which is reasonable), i do vibe with robyn's general poe and i'm looking to push in boq/achro/ender/lapras today.
as an aside i keep forgetting rask exists (prob just bc he hasn't posted yet today idt) and why i was tring him tbh
also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying
hrm ok
vote: illario
imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom
:curtain:
weh
also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying
hrm ok
vote: illario
imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom
:curtain:
there's actually no legible wolf motivation for what he's describing me as having purportedly done unless boq is a wolf but that isn't part of his solve it just doesn't make sense
he either thinks wolves would particularly want illario to go over rather than a slot that has more potential to remain in mischop territory -- but then why does the part about catalyzing a counterwagon mean anything
or he perspective slipped boq w
or he's town syn with bad opinions not really thinking through the actual implications of his goofy tunnel because he wants to be different
really? you don't see the wolf motivation behind having a mischop chain of illario > boq > achro > lapras?
Achro takes syn seriously for a moment and nutella suddenly acting SHOOK
and yeah achro i am cooling on you too bc i have agreed with you on a fair bit of stuff recently and you honestly do have a point that kinda everyone has poed you atp (not originally though, only after i started it :bow:) which isn't like a lock or anything but yeah youre just in a kind of weird thread position where i can appreciate your solving angle
with ender i really like the vibe of his posts when i look back at them but he just sits in a strange spot for me in the pl. idk this has happened before where i just couldnt read him and he was town but i just cant fully land there and other slots are townier
lapras just needs to either get a hell of a lot townier or not
and yeah achro i am cooling on you too bc i have agreed with you on a fair bit of stuff recently and you honestly do have a point that kinda everyone has poed you atp (not originally though, only after i started it :bow:) which isn't like a lock or anything but yeah youre just in a kind of weird thread position where i can appreciate your solving angle
with ender i really like the vibe of his posts when i look back at them but he just sits in a strange spot for me in the pl. idk this has happened before where i just couldnt read him and he was town but i just cant fully land there and other slots are townier
lapras just needs to either get a hell of a lot townier or not
I think some of it is I signed up for a casual and chill game to be casual and chill and it is making people overlook me generally. Ladd didn't even read my posts lol
weh
sure but that wasn't eod so it is not an actual "save" and the wagon completely disappeared after that unrelated to anything i was posting because i was actually fueling the suspicion on them a fair amount and said i was almost equally okay with both wagons and if wisdom had been the one to take off instead of illario i prob wouldve ended up there
you can level 1 hurr durr partner read things all you want but it's extremely silly, just like take a minute to realize a villager can have complex thoughts and hedge on a suspicion and not look perfectly clean on them
really? you don't see the wolf motivation behind having a mischop chain of illario > boq > achro > lapras?
well no bc im not a wolf and mischop chains are not something im doing or particularly conscious of
do you actually think that i make the vote in the middle of the day, not even sure those wagons would last and they didn't, that put illario ahead of wisdom, if wisdom is my wolf partner? do you think i wouldn't just like, fart around on some vanity vote until eod to see if i had to commit to either bussing or saving? idk i'm trying to actually model what i would do as a wolf with wisdom in that situation and i'm not sure but i don't think it's that exact illario vote at that exact time
Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'
So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.
me wasting posts waiting for syn to take a moment to chew it over with a fucking twix when i know that isn't gonna happen bc hes addicted to snapping snarky responses from his tunnel instead
Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'
So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.
nah he's not a wolf he's just being a pain
look, syn, you are wrong on me and probably wrong on vulgard (if hes styling on me then whatever clown me in post), but you started this off from being pretty confident on wisdom, so work that one out, case wisdom and convince us all to flip them today and go from there?
do you actually think that i make the vote in the middle of the day, not even sure those wagons would last and they didn't, that put illario ahead of wisdom, if wisdom is my wolf partner? do you think i wouldn't just like, fart around on some vanity vote until eod to see if i had to commit to either bussing or saving? idk i'm trying to actually model what i would do as a wolf with wisdom in that situation and i'm not sure but i don't think it's that exact illario vote at that exact time
the answer to every "do you actually think" question is yes, obviously
Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
raskolnikov
Wisdom
Current list of people I don't really town read independent of random things.
I know that boq/wis isn't a pair but I haven't investigated much of anything because this site's iso feature is kind of gross.
Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
raskolnikov
Wisdom
Current list of people I don't really town read independent of random things.
I know that boq/wis isn't a pair but I haven't investigated much of anything because this site's iso feature is kind of gross.
Hey visor is on here as well. He snuck off that shortlist. Get back on there.
Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'
So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.
thanks
me wasting posts waiting for syn to take a moment to chew it over with a fucking twix when i know that isn't gonna happen bc hes addicted to snapping snarky responses from his tunnel instead
k I'm done playing
I like that I always get wagoned after I announce going to sleep tbh
It is difficult being Mr Popular
Anywho, this is going to be a busy weekend for me. I am going to squeeze in a few posts here and there but it will be difficult
boq's later posts are much better than his rough start but i don't know what his reads are
Boquise
I have Wisdom as v
I think Rask has scum equity if Nutella is v
I am ambivalent on Nutella's alignment
I am weakly town reading DZ/Lapras
Tho honestly, if you've read my posts you should know the first two reads I present here. So why didn't you?
Oh I am also strongly town reading cape. Since Illario was v I don't think scum!Cape opts to create a counter wagon on me
i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37186-Role-Madness-Automation-Not-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.
I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh
Oh I don't remember this game
Is this the game where I was celebrating my birthday on D1 and was death tunnelled for thus not having any reads/not being caught up + getting tilted that I was scum read because of that?
im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game
This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough
they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.
Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37746-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-Two?p=6471120#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.
And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too
The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.
There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.
I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.
I am currently deciding between rolling over for death or having some vigor. Being counter wagon I realise the risks of being misyeeted are high, but could also be good for the game state. Not having the time plus contemplating whether the effort is worth it. I am kinda at peace with my thread position here
But I will do my best to produce reads and stuff!
nah he's not a wolf he's just being a pain
Hmmmm
k I'm done playing
Hmmmmm
So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics
I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other
But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)
At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?
So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
I am unironically reading this as townie frustration
Gonna be lazy and say Nutella/Syn v/v for now
syn might be a wolf especially if boq is, they thought nutella was a wolf pretty strongly but voted nutella at eod which is just terrible
only way syn is a wolf is if syn/boq/rask
but that team is too easy and ladd tr syn/rask
occam's razor syn is town and just played like he did in the amrock 14er where he misunderstands situations and gamestates making him towny
How is me/Rask an option
forgot to mention some boq thoughts in that wall thing, maybe for the better lol
uh
So I think I made the right choice in sheeping Robyn off of nutella onto Boq, he just is a better vote there.
In terms of the Weedle scumgame that he just played with me in a mash, Weedle very quickly found me out as town and then literally pedestaled me like day 1, and then town were calling out that Weedle was obvious scum like day 2 and I defended Weedle that whole time.
While Boq this game isn't particularly pedastaling me, he found me similarly quick for... literally just for the reason that I read and comprehended and responded to an Achro wall. While it did take effort I guess, it really isn't something out of my scumrange and isn't even an original read. Lapras made a similar read to that (that's 2 sketchy people) but Lapras' case for towncasing me off of that was significantly more substantiated.
Boq didn't talk about my tone
Boq didn't talk about... really anything else until called out upon from it to where Boq basically the second time around copied Lapras' homework and presented that.
I have only seen Boq as town exercise caution while townreading me while as mafia he just flips on a light switch to where he easily townreads me. Every. Single. Time.
I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.
VOTE: Boquise
I still like this for those reasons and am happy to hear counterarguments but I think I did a towny thing for ONCE in an EOD.
Well actually there was that Appa thing from my town anon Avatar game so make that a double whopper.
---
dyachei is also an okay option. I just would have felt bad flipping them the most if they were town and it would have been a very shrug yeet if I had voted dya there.
I have also town read you easily as town which has made you confused. Then iirc I was burned in one game and I began being cautious, though now I have worked up some confidence again. Given that I have both scummed and towned in games where you are town, I have felt like I have got a good grip on how you post as town. However my town read of you for processing Achro's wall when no one else cared is a good one but also not a strong town read.
That you started a last minute cw on town me when the main wagon was town is something I don't see scum does, because had I flipped there, you would look pretty bad (but also dragged down Illario with you so idk, maybe it is a more viable strat than I originally thought)
Heya boq. What are your current thoughts on a poe atm? Did eod shift anything for your reads?
literally told you why I'd be limited
I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.
I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you
also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks
I think this is more likely to come from town!Dya. When they are town, they disallow scum reads on them for meta reasons firmly, whereas as scum they try to but it doesn't come off with the same aggression
LADD GOT NIGHTKILLED AND I HAD THE SAME READS AS HIM WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER POISON ME, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I TRIED TO SAVE ILLARIO AND WAS TOWNSIDIDNG
They realised I was poison type and immune to being poisoned
And you are a gecko
Such is life
I was going to say that Robyn could be a womf who tries to muddy the waters by saying that me/Rask are wolves because i don't think that's really something one thinks
But knowing Lucy, that outburst at sod2 is strictly in her town play so that's rough
Heya boq. What are your current thoughts on a poe atm? Did eod shift anything for your reads?
sup
Lemme see...
V in different strengths:
Nutella
Syn
Cape*
Lapras*
Wisdom*
Vulgard*
Robyn
Dya
Idk:
Achro
Visor
Ender
Scum?
Rask*
* = I need to revisit these reads
Initially town read Cape for the cw, but after thinking i could see a scum strat. However i dont think wolf!cape meta dives me get me misyeeted so like eh
Wisdom, Lapras, Vulgard reads just gotta get updated through seeing what they do today
Have zero reads on you, Visor, Ender - I was hoping that you would be NK'd so I wouldn't have to make a read but such is life.
Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found
Ok i have been here for an hour now. Time to jet tbh
I dreamt that I ran a 5km track for nerds together with Boq and Syn and I got lost because I didn't see how the path went into a magic bookshelf but still ended up with a time of 32min somehow.
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
Listen to the dead people fam :3
https://64.media.tumblr.com/8c312f9f4b07f632c2963256c226417c/86bdae1a9a444f57-fd/s500x750/d45fdf60944dc014ce2ccc2610855368ad32c605.jpg
Lol
...
We're neighbors!
look, syn, you are wrong on me and probably wrong on vulgard (if hes styling on me then whatever clown me in post), but you started this off from being pretty confident on wisdom, so work that one out, case wisdom and convince us all to flip them today and go from there?
That's fam!
I'm pretty sure that you and Syn are both town, that?s prett much my strongest reads. I just need to find a pelt and convince you two so we can start working together!
That's fam!
I'm pretty sure that you and Syn are both town, that?s prett much my strongest reads. I just need to find a pelt and convince you two so we can start working together!
Thanks*
I was going to say that Robyn could be a womf who tries to muddy the waters by saying that me/Rask are wolves because i don't think that's really something one thinks
But knowing Lucy, that outburst at sod2 is strictly in her town play so that's rough
Wait, Robyn = Lucy?
Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.
I feel like a lot of people are saying lapras is howling but not explaining that read. I iso'd vul and came away thinking that case was more tunnel than genius so I would like to hear more detailed thoughts there.
Will be pretty busy tonight but I should be around later.
Wisdom something something respond to this
Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.
Good morning.
Robyn was a bad poison and their reaction makes that super clear
Visor its not that i find you scummy its that your explicitly not towny
My time will be limited to Sunday but ill probs just hang out
Cape90 or Cape were you in mafia league???
Wisdom something something respond to this
Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.
Vulgard see
Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.
This is low posters - visor
I know im town and dont really have a read on dya i just shrug voted them yesterday
But yh anyway
Your wolves are low posters so either your town beint pocketed by activity or wolf hunting ez targets
And if dya is a wolf its a pretty normal and believable wolf tactic to set a dichotomy lf two similar players anywho and let it tend to the town but open yourself up for the bus if needed
Final Vote Tally
Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras
Illario was chopped. They were vanilla town!
Night actions are due at 6PM EST tomorrow! Please CC both Sunbae and myself, either via PM or discord is fine.
It is night, no posting!
I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?
So he was always dying unless we united on someone else
Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing
Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho
wait okay this is actually really good though lol
maybe we just go back to lapras
Nutella does this alot fwiw where she worldbuilds wkth belief she might be wrong (i beliebe) so whilst sussing happy still looks at his pushes
Kinda inconsistent/ open mindedness /antiLAMIST thats towny despite their push on me being wrong
Also im starting eod reread from that random post or will latsr duty calls
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 10:45
sup
Lemme see...
V in different strengths:
Nutella
Syn
Cape*
Lapras*
Wisdom*
Vulgard*
Robyn
Dya
Idk:
Achro
Visor
Ender
Scum?
Rask*
* = I need to revisit these reads
Initially town read Cape for the cw, but after thinking i could see a scum strat. However i dont think wolf!cape meta dives me get me misyeeted so like eh
Wisdom, Lapras, Vulgard reads just gotta get updated through seeing what they do today
Have zero reads on you, Visor, Ender - I was hoping that you would be NK'd so I wouldn't have to make a read but such is life.
Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found
Bruh. Your read on me is unexplained and static. You have been shamelessly riding it for 72 hours now lol.
But you aren't the only one heh.
Cape posts my reads are random (well I shared most with ladd, don't read that kind of comment there). but how friendo? Because it's not me who is spamming vibe/meta takes here.
Visor is tunnneling me for raisins?
Achro keeps lowering me too in readlists without any sensible argument too.
I don't wanna egoread too much but it's strikes me how a lot of people are willing to shade me without actual reasons. Prolly at least a wolf in these people I guess (Boq, Cape, Visor, Achro), maybe 2 :shrug:
Nutella pushing for a clear status (out of ladd's kill) at sod is sus, but that might just be a "nutella" thing? Need help here.
Still willing to chop Wisdom aorn. What was good in their eod Visor?
Still some pages to read, su l8r
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 10:50
Frankly Boquise is just an outed wolf lol. I mean if you are a villager :laugh4:
You have been tunneling me without reason, coasting, ending off wagon at EOD1, still riding it lol.
vote: Boquise
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 10:51
btw robyn, I've been there. It sucks but just spam reads today. Make yourself useful for the D3+ village if u are town.
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 10:56
im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game
This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough
they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.
Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37746-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-Two?p=6471120#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.
And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too
The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.
There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.
I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.
Frankly u can read as mnay games as you want and make any number of assumptions and comparaisons, in the end, we are playing in this thread, and Boq has been potatoing hard in it. This feels like a massive fog screen for ur partner friendo
I owe you an iso at some point. I lower you mostly because I don't remember anything that stood out to me as villagery aside the one thing.
Cape90 or Cape were you in mafia league???
no i just pulled meta from it
If boq flips wolf I am going to get concerned about cape. It is a bit concerning that the thread state read on me is either dismissal, poe, or 'yeah fuck that achro guy' and cape alone is like 'God achro is such obvious town look at him go.'
I like to think I am pretty transparent this game but I recently had a town game where town was not understanding my points at all and and a wolf came in and labeled me obvious town.
I guess counter to this is that iirc cape found me pretty quick in gravity falls. I think that was cape.
I don't know everybody's issue in figuring you out, but then again I have been fairly attentive to making sure I am reading things. And your comments about being spewed as town and complaining about nobody is reading your points has literally just solidified that in my mind
I don't know everybody's issue in figuring you out, but then again I have been fairly attentive to making sure I am reading things. And your comments about being spewed as town and complaining about nobody is reading your points has literally just solidified that in my mind
Fair enough. I guess I can't get too paranoid that the only person shown to robustly read me is correct lol
Lapras what are your thoughts on boq?
Cape posts my reads are random (well I shared most with ladd, don't read that kind of comment there). but how friendo? Because it's not me who is spamming vibe/meta takes here.
To be clear I have never said this
I said Syn made a comment I liked about that because on the surface level, I could just see where syn was coming from
raskol sorting his slots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8ssH7LiB0
i think im dumb and this didn't even mean that and im looking too deep.
Your reads honestly seemed antithetical to me but today im melding more with them, I still don't partially get the dyachei thing. This is the only thing I haven't seen you explain to my knowledge.
I have looked back and saw a lot of where your reads came from, I was slightly concerned about your read on Ender, but you said his votes you agreed with.
Saw your defense of Visor around the same point
You definitely seem more focused on scumreads then townreads, but I don't think to a wolfy extent and I am not really worried about you when you aren't W/W with Boq and Wisdom has also been sliding off for me and you arent W/W with them either
Frankly u can read as mnay games as you want and make any number of assumptions and comparaisons, in the end, we are playing in this thread, and Boq has been potatoing hard in it. This feels like a massive fog screen for ur partner friendo
I don't disagree with this and I have literally said he's in his wolf meta. I would be voting him right now if there wasn't a majority.
Fog screen my ass
Get good at reading me or stop trying
Hmmmm
Hmmmmm
So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics
I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other
But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)
At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?
So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.
incredible gameplay
Gonna be lazy and say Nutella/Syn v/v for now
this is the moment that boq realized he didn't actually post a scumcase
Hmmmm
Hmmmmm
So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics
I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other
But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)
At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?
So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.
I have also town read you easily as town which has made you confused. Then iirc I was burned in one game and I began being cautious, though now I have worked up some confidence again. Given that I have both scummed and towned in games where you are town, I have felt like I have got a good grip on how you post as town. However my town read of you for processing Achro's wall when no one else cared is a good one but also not a strong town read.
That you started a last minute cw on town me when the main wagon was town is something I don't see scum does, because had I flipped there, you would look pretty bad (but also dragged down Illario with you so idk, maybe it is a more viable strat than I originally thought)
the thing about it is it was already a thing Lapras said and im side-eyeing them too
i love multi quotes
I wonder if you are side eyeing lapras for the same reason I am suddenly side eyeing lapras.
Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found
Rask/Boq scumteam gg
oh no Rask now we're in for it
It was a snide remark. I stated that because to me, you said you would keep voting Vulgard and believe in the process but then you quickly changed vote, which was funny to me
I think Cape actually sponging off of your wall is rand>town because his post was based on what you said and built on it, which I dont think a wolf would really care to do. Cape was basically being independently solvy in his response to your post.
I dont have any read of you at the moment since I know you are wall-y as both alignments. I am waiting to see how your pushes go. I dunno if we will catch a wolf today - I am currently poking around and I will have an easier time when I've had a few flips.
My Rask vote has nothing to do with you. Why did you assume that?
Why would you commit such a crime
What has Weedles done to you
Did you ever ask about my reason to vote Rask or was it more important to superimpose your own read there
I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me
I just wanna point out this was the entire thing on Rask and why Rask is scum. It is so strange and Boq wasn't straightforweard about his rask push until a bunch of posts later. Giving the reason of suspectinv Rask when he shaded nutella when nutella walked back their scumread on boq which to me looks like a self-awareness thing. I guess there was motivation for checking Rask as ender was an early Boq townread for "being relatable" whatever that means.
Anyways I rate boq's comeback to the thread a you should probably still kill this slot out of 10.
Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.
So like... you starting to think Boq is town?
I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?
So he was always dying unless we united on someone else
Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing
Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho
read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.
Boq seems a bit dejected all in n i dunno if thats his wolf persona upon reflecfion
i could always side eye for this
This is low posters - visor
I know im town and dont really have a read on dya i just shrug voted them yesterday
if you wanted to vanity vote, why didn't you just stay on visor, why last minute go dyachei when nobody was on them anyways? Especially if it was a shrug vote? Like you literally said you didn't think Visor was towny
read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.
Here's a question about the EOD Lapras is talking about.
What's there to antispew, Cape?
Achro
Because the reasons vul is tunnelled on me (which imo as you show isnt even true) doesnt only apply to me. It applies to other people.
I wolf read some of those ppl but not becahse of the reason vul wolf reads me, because of my own reasons.
Also- vul is saying no one is talking about me when im like effectively top wagon which actually seems towny cuz its so out of touch
Im either at hes a wolf doing the classic d1 power wolf vibe where you identtify an early scum read n just focus on that. Neopest in both champs game for e.g.
Flip is hes a tunnelled town really actually thinking hes found a wolf but ill just say its gunna be embarrassing when i flip town for him given:
A) others are acting like i did wrt the reasons hes scum reading me
B) some ppl with meta reads are tring me
C) hes writing reams about it
defensive
also this isn't inherently wolfy behavior from his end.
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 12:26
Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.
Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 12:27
Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.
Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.
*had little to nothing to do with...
Vote: raskol
j'accuse
you specifically voted the person you wanted to reread?
syn - posting is way more aggressive than previous game, still debating what to take away from it
i will say, this is something that I have also experienced with Syn and how he feels different to the town game that he just played in. Like his day 1 here felt like his day 3 in a recent syndicate town game.
if you wanted to vanity vote, why didn't you just stay on visor, why last minute go dyachei when nobody was on them anyways? Especially if it was a shrug vote? Like you literally said you didn't think Visor was towny
Cuz at time i thought chance dya could go and sheeped ladd
Fair enough. I guess I can't get too paranoid that the only person shown to robustly read me is correct lol
Lapras what are your thoughts on boq?
Not towny but i dunno will read
I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?
So he was always dying unless we united on someone else
Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing
Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho
Hi Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically
1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'
thank you.
Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.
Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.
I felt like when nutella got going was when they were the strongest and then they lost steam later on. But I like nutella's posts today but I am mildly concerned about their non mentioning of me around the SOD mark, but I had assumed that wolf nutella would just continue pushing me coming into today. It is also somewhat explained in
meh i wrote a bunch of rambly notes after eod but i actually have no firm conclusions and kind of feel like starting from a ~relatively clean slate today
Cuz at time i thought chance dya could go and sheeped ladd
that kinda makes sense, I would have to revisit what u said about illario
Here's a question about the EOD Lapras is talking about.
What's there to antispew, Cape?
im ngl I hardly read that post, but yeah that post is slightly odd for that reason. I got too wrapped up in going um acktually on the numbers XD
I could cote boq probs
man there was also this day 1
with how lapras did say they could go either way on boq/illario, im surprised Lapras didn't go illario if Lapras believed his comment at EOD about doubting boq would be a bit dejected as wolf
Sorry- I havent reevaluated since. It was just a feeling i had where it reminded me of when you/me wolfed + the other game you wolfed vs me recently which i forget. I didnt focus on it or anything cuz i think ive gut read you wolf WAY too many times and been wrong
So im gunna wait till you start dropping solves and base it on that
Fwiw the policy with you, ladd, benn, jc, alexa et al is to start by just town reading them as opposed to neutral reading them because its a sin if any of you die and are town d1 at least
like this is possible i guess
Wisdom something something respond to this
Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.
Just don't have a town read on him, pretty much!
Frankly Boquise is just an outed wolf lol. I mean if you are a villager :laugh4:
You have been tunneling me without reason, coasting, ending off wagon at EOD1, still riding it lol.
vote: Boquise
I am not tunnelling you. Have you even read my posts? Like my last post even said i need to update my read on you because it is outdated, it was even added with a question mark.
Also way to misrep what happened last day.
I went to bed and said i didn't have any read on Illario and I didn't want to vote Wisdom. So I voted the tiny wolf read that I had, which is imo the proper play. I wasn't around to self-press. My read on you has not even been without reason. I have explained it. I would also say that I have done the opposite of coasting since I am everyone's favorite scum pick
Are you this threatened by my wolf read of you that you need to twist what has happened on the thread?
this is the moment that boq realized he didn't actually post a scumcase
You're really forcing it now tbh
So like... you starting to think Boq is town?
Not really. Null territory but most people push him and I got v/v wagons vibes last EoD.
I just wanna point out this was the entire thing on Rask and why Rask is scum. It is so strange and Boq wasn't straightforweard about his rask push until a bunch of posts later. Giving the reason of suspectinv Rask when he shaded nutella when nutella walked back their scumread on boq which to me looks like a self-awareness thing. I guess there was motivation for checking Rask as ender was an early Boq townread for "being relatable" whatever that means.
Anyways I rate boq's comeback to the thread a you should probably still kill this slot out of 10.
Nice.
I will choose the option to roll over and die then tbh
Vote: Boquise
I am not going to spend my weekend efforting reads and trying to explain my thoughts when all i get is misrepped and reachy reactions. Flip me and regroup on D3.
why is the chill game turning into self-vote city
This wouldn't be happening if everyone responded to my rps tbh
Hi Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically
1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'
thank you.
Why does it ping you?
Eod behaviour is a fab way to catch wolves
But specifically:
- at eod no wolves were going over given the frozen votes on illario
- i trust wolves would realise this more than town given they would engage and strat (or i normally do at eod)
- they can do smart votes/plays so in future days they look unpartnered e.g. staft pushing/voting wolf pals anticipating possible wolf flip
So they can do what they want and it generate anti spew
And uncaring would be someone who just sits n posts about things abstracted from the upcoming death
Visor also had a somewhat odd progression on Rask and yet Rask townreads Visor.
But I do think Visor has some mildly towny early postings (118 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053843375&viewfull=1#post2053843375)/121 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053843378&viewfull=1#post2053843378)).
I don't have a lot of good meta with Visor, like he either dies early, or in i think the only case when this was not a thing, I was wolfing against Visor.
Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it
There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.
I am just going to retort to post X is town or Y is scum and refuse to elaborate going forward tbh
well i just stared at my screen for like a good 2 minutes trying to get in the mind of boq. It's too early in the morning for this
why is the chill game turning into self-vote city
This wouldn't be happening if everyone responded to my rps tbh
Because chilling is scummy
well i just stared at my screen for like a good 2 minutes trying to get in the mind of boq. It's too early in the morning for this
Maybe you should have a cup of coffee before you try to read through my posts regarding Syn and Nutella in that case, since you missed out my brilliance
Why does it ping you?
Eod behaviour is a fab way to catch wolves
But specifically:
- at eod no wolves were going over given the frozen votes on illario
- i trust wolves would realise this more than town given they would engage and strat (or i normally do at eod)
- they can do smart votes/plays so in future days they look unpartnered e.g. staft pushing/voting wolf pals anticipating possible wolf flip
So they can do what they want and it generate anti spew
And uncaring would be someone who just sits n posts about things abstracted from the upcoming death
Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.
You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted
Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.
This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.
Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor
So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.
But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.
This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.
Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)
It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.
What did I get wrong?
Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...
Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it
There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.
Also regarding the first part. This should actually show that I am town. I am not planning out my reads and my thought posts are not completely in sync because they evolve while I write
So thanks for clearing me Cape tbh
Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya
Vote: Dyachei
Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya
Vote: Dyachei
But I am town reading Dya
Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya
Vote: Dyachei
Wisdom please respond to my post last page about boq/lapras
Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it
There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.
dude you have like 1 line of dialogue on rask, I feel like you should have been developing that further but your really didn't and you have
But I did like a post you made towncasing illario
Tho this begs the question
so Dya scum read me initially for something Illario said
Illario pointed out the mistake and Dya changed the scum read to Illario
But why would scum!Illario point it out
I will also say forgetting a towncase is questionable as you literally have been consistent all game. You also mentioned you getting scumread for your fence sitting in Gravity Falls so my problems with what you said don't boil down to fence sitting.
got pinged by his first post..cause like this doesnt feel like a real reason to villa read someone (w/w got em eheh) but it doesnt read like a joke either
my biggest problem is his wisdom read:
this read is fine and all but it doesnt feel like it should give you the confidence to say stuff like that:
feels like WOLFY levels of confidence for what the read is based on. if i am a villager, i'd ask why etc.. not just stonewall it with a nah
i have caught wolves before with this tell
and in general posts seems like they lack a bit of snap judgement that i feel is standard for villa boq
(disclaimer: i am not a particuarly good boq reader)
I like to snap town read people for minimal reasons to see what happens, hence the Ender read. If people make a thing about the read, opposing it, it tends to be scum who dislikes it that I am apparently clearing other town for flimsy reasons, and they use that to shade me
You are criticising me for lacking snap judgements, but simultaneously having problems with me having a snap judgement on both Ender and Wisdom.
there was even this whole thing
I promise you boq, I am actually trying to find you just like any other town would.
I stopped viewing the thread after that moment
I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me
It isn't much, which is why i wrote "maybe" with the vote. But sometimes wolves like to do that to sow disagreements in town. Having Nutella not push me is not a good thing for wolves if she is town
for some reason i missed the point of the bottom part here
one thing i haven't seen boq do is talk up his posts so much. more an observation
The old scum meta of your approach to me was to try to pocket me with town reads
i am keeping an eye on you sister
question: do you think I was on the right path in voting nutella before i swapped over to you?
question: do you think I was on the right path in voting nutella before i swapped over to you?
remembers the organic play comment
yeah maybe i will return to le thread later
Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.
You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted
Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.
This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.
Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor
So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.
But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.
This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.
Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)
It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.
What did I get wrong?
Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...
Charlie day meme
Ok if this was my devious multi level plan, wouldnt i check for something so simple?
Also boq went to bed cuz they were ill
Lololol how often do these wild theories actually worm achro
Charlie day meme
Ok if this was my devious multi level plan, wouldnt i check for something so simple?
If you were town wouldn't your thoughts be based on tangible suspicions and observations?
Also boq went to bed cuz they were ill
Lololol how often do these wild theories actually worm achro
Going to be real, I don't understand what's so wild about it.
To put this another, simpler way
It sounds like you're making stuff up because you know Boq will flip wolf in that post.
There we go a single sentence.
If you were town wouldn't your thoughts be based on tangible suspicions and observations?
Did i air any suspicions?
Did i air any suspicions?
It's the Implication.
Going to be real, I don't understand what's so wild about it.
To put this another, simpler way
It sounds like you're making stuff up because you know Boq will flip wolf in that post.
There we go a single sentence.
- ive not voted boq
- i dont think boq is wolf yet
- id done no analysis
- i dont think what i said even applies to boq
Why wouldnt you wait till i spewed my analysis?
Anyway its stupid because:
- it relies on me coming up with a wild and apparently easily falsified reason to scum reaad boq
- it relies on me arguing that boq being ill counts as not caring
- it is based ON AN ASSUMPTION of who I'll end up finding scummy based on reads i do
- it relies on town having and taalking only in perfectly logical well thought out suspicions which are inscrutable to logic which definitely fits more how wolves solve
- it discounts this being an actual town theory of mine
...which i know it is. I think the evidence is there in that i was posting my thoughts in a flurry so hadnt actuslly gone back and checked?
- it relies on a type of wolf behaviour that i dont really think happens much where they set up convoluted ways to scum read their buddies
Its basically the most complex theory kf what could happen and there are thousands of other things it could be- whether im town (as i am) or if im wolf (e.g. if i was wolf i could go on to frame soemoen else!!!)
Im typing this whilst getting ready so not proof reading but for your theory to apply:
- i would have failed to check the background information to validate my planned bus
- id be about to bus boq
- boq would have to be wolf
- id have to be a wolf
I know all those things are false.
So yh its just a hair brained theory
I dont know why youd instantly assume that its a wolf theory from me instead of spitballing town? Or wrong town? Like youve not seen my follow up
It's the Implication.
Lol
Waiting 8s to post bloody post limits
To be clear- i think your theory is stupid and the most complex reality
I dont necessarily think your wolf because of it
Its just a huge bunch of logical leaps. These do generally come more from town though, and, if i recall i think you did similar things in champs?
To be clear- i think your theory is stupid and the most complex reality
I dont necessarily think your wolf because of it
Its just a huge bunch of logical leaps. These do generally come more from town though, and, if i recall i think you did similar things in champs?
No, what I did in champs is death tunnel for days and get tilted/angry over various things and burn myself out.
I don't think one post theorizing while asking others to comment rises to that level, even if I end up being wrong.
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 13:53
I am not tunnelling you. Have you even read my posts? Like my last post even said i need to update my read on you because it is outdated, it was even added with a question mark.
Also way to misrep what happened last day.
I went to bed and said i didn't have any read on Illario and I didn't want to vote Wisdom. So I voted the tiny wolf read that I had, which is imo the proper play. I wasn't around to self-press. My read on you has not even been without reason. I have explained it. I would also say that I have done the opposite of coasting since I am everyone's favorite scum pick
Are you this threatened by my wolf read of you that you need to twist what has happened on the thread?
lol no.
"I have explained it" yes, but it's thin and you haven't engaged with me to evaluate it. You haven't done anything to actually make me happen either (unless memory fails). When you left the thread it was pretty clear I wasn't dying D1 yet you stayed on your vanity vote. So how much I am tweaking reality?
I mean sure you can be a villager but I don't think I am misrepresenting anyone here.
I mean, the fact I was your only wolf read D1 and the reasons behind it are just worth sussing don't you think?
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 14:04
I like to snap town read people for minimal reasons to see what happens, hence the Ender read. If people make a thing about the read, opposing it, it tends to be scum who dislikes it that I am apparently clearing other town for flimsy reasons, and they use that to shade me
You are criticising me for lacking snap judgements, but simultaneously having problems with me having a snap judgement on both Ender and Wisdom.
well u say that but it's valid to oppose and read into uncalled early TR for a villager so ... yeah (I am rereading you Boq)
Why did u cool down with your nutella sus? Can u pinpoint the posts which make u get there pls?
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:07
Probably town poisoned:
Robyn
My collective townhouses:
Nutella
Vulgard
My construction sites:
Syn
Dyachei
Cape90
My Red Tape Hell:
Visor
Raskol
My rejected projects:
Lapras
Achro
Wisdom
Boq
Behold my definitely not consensus reads list.
Since robyn asked for it.
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:08
I actually have a hot take that Raskol might be wolfier than I've been giving him credit for but I'm afraid of clownpainting myself a second time after illario.
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:09
Syn is also definitely "odd" looking and is acting all "Shady"
Just had to get in my daily Syn Shade before weirdly putting him back into my upper town.
why not raskol/lapras/dya
I have Wisdom as v
I think Rask has scum equity if Nutella is v
I am ambivalent on Nutella's alignment
I am weakly town reading DZ/Lapras
Tho honestly, if you've read my posts you should know the first two reads I present here. So why didn't you?
oh so you're confident in wisdom v now? what i got from your day 1 posts was that you weren't sure but okay
i did read your day 1 posts, and my conclusion from them was that you didn't seem to have a lot of confident reads, if any. you were mostly giving snap takes and these snap takes didn't come across as particularly strong, either. so i felt like you just didn't have any significant reads
judging by this post, you still don't have them other than the wisdom take and the rask w / nutella v take
why is rask a wolf if nutella is town?
I am unironically reading this as townie frustration
i do think that post was townie as well yeah
i might as well say now that a major reason i think achro could be a wolf is that he isn't rping anymore
which sounds extremely dumb but hear me out
if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of that
this sounds like a meme argument, but i do think this is a legitimate tell. from a villager pov, you feel free to roleplay because you don't feel the pressure for your posts to be traditionally read as good, you just want to do your own thing. and from your pov, catching wolves is something you can still do while roleplaying. wolves do want their posts to look good so they can stay alive, so by extension, even if they do decide to roleplay, once they find it too challenging to continue they will simply stop doing it
revealing this tell is likely going to make it less accurate going forward, but i do think it's legit and it's a major reason why i think achro could be a wolf here
it was accurate even as recently as the omega strikers game on fol, which ender was in and where he roleplayed - as town. there were also other people who roleplayed, and they were also town
why not raskol/lapras/dya
i'm honestly not super convinced on dya but that could be a skill issue
lapras i'm trying to re-evaluate
why raskol? do you have a read on him now? you said earlier that i'd have to wait for it
dya just seems like dya to me idk
i genuinely don't think they've done a lot of ai things
the most ai thing was probably the mistake they made when thinking boq wrote a post that he didn't actually write and placing a vote based on it, but all that does to me is make me believe dya isn't w/w with boq, and it's not even 100% lock unaligning because it could be a genuine mistake
Lapras who do you want dead today
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:35
why not raskol/lapras/dya
Je ne comprende pas?
i might as well say now that a major reason i think achro could be a wolf is that he isn't rping anymore
which sounds extremely dumb but hear me out
if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of that
this sounds like a meme argument, but i do think this is a legitimate tell. from a villager pov, you feel free to roleplay because you don't feel the pressure for your posts to be traditionally read as good, you just want to do your own thing. and from your pov, catching wolves is something you can still do while roleplaying. wolves do want their posts to look good so they can stay alive, so by extension, even if they do decide to roleplay, once they find it too challenging to continue they will simply stop doing it
revealing this tell is likely going to make it less accurate going forward, but i do think it's legit and it's a major reason why i think achro could be a wolf here
it was accurate even as recently as the omega strikers game on fol, which ender was in and where he roleplayed - as town. there were also other people who roleplayed, and they were also town
Man, I started the day RPing and literally no one responded to it.
No one but Cape responded to any of my RPs basically unless it was purely about them.
This isn't 'Achro wants to look good' its 'Achro wants to be communicated with'
Which hasn't gone very well anyway.
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:37
i might as well say now that a major reason i think achro could be a wolf is that he isn't rping anymore
which sounds extremely dumb but hear me out
if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of that
this sounds like a meme argument, but i do think this is a legitimate tell. from a villager pov, you feel free to roleplay because you don't feel the pressure for your posts to be traditionally read as good, you just want to do your own thing. and from your pov, catching wolves is something you can still do while roleplaying. wolves do want their posts to look good so they can stay alive, so by extension, even if they do decide to roleplay, once they find it too challenging to continue they will simply stop doing it
revealing this tell is likely going to make it less accurate going forward, but i do think it's legit and it's a major reason why i think achro could be a wolf here
it was accurate even as recently as the omega strikers game on fol, which ender was in and where he roleplayed - as town. there were also other people who roleplayed, and they were also town
As the person you specifically mentioned.
This is a meme read.
Man, I started the day RPing and literally no one responded to it.
No one but Cape responded to any of my RPs basically unless it was purely about them.
This isn't 'Achro wants to look good' its 'Achro wants to be communicated with'
Which hasn't gone very well anyway.
i'm aware that people haven't been responding to it, i'm arguing that not being stubborn about it is wolf ai
logically it makes sense that you would stop but i think a villager would be less inclined to stop
if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of thateh feel like projection, ive seen plenty of villagers and wolves commit or not commit, i don't think it means anything
he stopped doing it because it stopped being fun for him because nobody was engaging him (and as a wolf or villa he wants to engage with people)
i'm aware that people haven't been responding to it, i'm arguing that not being stubborn about it is wolf ai
logically it makes sense that you would stop but i think a villager would be less inclined to stop
If I wanted to write by myself I wouldn't sign up for a mafia game lol.
But like, I wrote out another RP to open this day and it still didn't get anything. If anything, by your logic, I am beautifully town for even bothering to do it for my opener day 2 :(.
eh feel like projection, ive seen plenty of villagers and wolves commit or not commit, i don't think it means anything
he stopped doing it because it stopped being fun for him because nobody was engaging him (and as a wolf or villa he wants to engage with people)
do you have some examples with wolves?
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 14:43
I am just gonna write another post because what Boq is saying is just not true.
I voted nutella very early D1 because they had no content and wanted someone to react to it. Vulg did by saying he liked the vote on nutella.
I later said I liked nut's streak of posts when they reentered the thread, but mentionned it was a surface level read.
Vibing with nutella town rn. But that's a pretty surface level read. Might give a look to Vulgard's D1 on the december game on this forum tbh.
I linked them with Vulg because of the way Nutella TRed Vulg out of his posting style in several quotes they produced itt, which to me wasn't convincing (seomeone else mentionnned it).
I then sussed nutella because of the joat joke they made. and voted them again.
Then Boq entered the thread and sussed nutella. There were several posts but these are the last where he talks about nutella before voting me.
The old scum meta of your approach to me was to try to pocket me with town reads
i am keeping an eye on you sister
Nutella saying that she can't really narrate her thought process
Matches with her explaining her "locking in boq as town forever gg" post with just "you were town vibing and stuff" matches
This is what the pros call organic play, and it is all on display for us all to have a say and comment on during this first day but I also feel like Nut did a mayday and pivoted away from fearsome intimidating awesome payday Boquise with his meta death ray
tbh
These and Visor posting "nutella/Wisdom ww" strenghtened my hidden sus on nutella (I don't think I posted about nut after the post I gave them a surface-level town read).
---------------------------------
l8r on I cooled down on nutella (other people reads impacting mine and other stuff I don't wanna go into here), but the point is that I pretty clearly have been flipflopping on the slot a lot.
I stopped viewing the thread after that moment
I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me
It isn't much, which is why i wrote "maybe" with the vote. But sometimes wolves like to do that to sow disagreements in town. Having Nutella not push me is not a good thing for wolves if she is town
So Boq's reason to vote me doesn't exist in the first place. That he is pushing the misrep on me is just laughable tbh.
The way he has been townreading nutella since the posts I quote above is not clear to me either.
Wisdom please respond to my post last page about boq/lapras
I'll check it out when on pc!
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 14:50
visor prolly just a wolf for suggesting my name without actual reasonning for 2 days now. also doing nothing but associative reads smh.
do you have some examples with wolves?
its me, im the wolves
examples of what, wolves committing or not committing
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 14:51
I am so frustrated rn.
its me, im the wolves
examples of what, wolves committing or not committing
wolves committing because i want to overview the game context there
i just watched john wick 4 btw
v good would rec
long af tho
wolves committing because i want to overview the game context there
please just take me at my word
i dont want to quote shit
er: alison as some stupid anime alt on a game on mu
sunbae in some stupid turbo posting gifs
takhisis in any game ever
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 14:54
what did u like in Wisdom's posting Visor?
hmmm
Vote: Boquise
lots of people i read village making good points
if this flips v i'm resetting my townreads because the game is likely upside down in some way
what did u like in Wisdom's posting Visor?
i dont remember, probably their giving up post at eod just being so blatantly wolfy its villagery
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:57
wolves committing because i want to overview the game context there
I commit hard as wolf a lot too. Did it in the anon game that illario mentioned. (I RPed as Aro the entire game up to what was going to be my death and I was wolf.)
Me committing to RP is just a character trait.
I am not going to assign someone else's willingness to hold RP an AI value.
please just take me at my word
i dont want to quote shit
er: alison as some stupid anime alt on a game on mu
sunbae in some stupid turbo posting gifs
takhisis in any game ever
Also gira as trainer red stopped rp'ing
I stopped rp'ing as town pm a syndicate game
Id guess its entirely rand and more based on the stubborness of the player
yeah okay fair enough maybe this was dumb
if achro really is a wolf then i'm a genius and y'all are dumb though
copium
yeah okay fair enough maybe this was dumb
if achro really is a wolf then i'm a genius and y'all are dumb though
copium
For your punishment you will go back to SOD and read my rp and tell me your thoughts. I worked hard on it.
EnderWiggin
03-25-2023, 14:59
yeah okay fair enough maybe this was dumb
if achro really is a wolf then i'm a genius and y'all are dumb though
copium
If Achro is a wolf him dropping the RP will not be the alignment indicative post he's made.
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 15:08
I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?
So he was always dying unless we united on someone else
Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing
Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho
This post from dz is pretty trash btw.
(The dicho between his treatment of illarios wagon and his last sentence just looks agenda to me)
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 15:14
To be clear I have never said this
I said Syn made a comment I liked about that because on the surface level, I could just see where syn was coming from
i think im dumb and this didn't even mean that and im looking too deep.
Your reads honestly seemed antithetical to me but today im melding more with them, I still don't partially get the dyachei thing. This is the only thing I haven't seen you explain to my knowledge.
I have looked back and saw a lot of where your reads came from, I was slightly concerned about your read on Ender, but you said his votes you agreed with.
Saw your defense of Visor around the same point
You definitely seem more focused on scumreads then townreads, but I don't think to a wolfy extent and I am not really worried about you when you aren't W/W with Boq and Wisdom has also been sliding off for me and you arent W/W with them either
I am totally factoring the fact you used one of Syns post to push that picture on me fwiw :curtain:
Whats up with my dya stuff? Whats my dya stuff? I dont even recall having a read there?
yeah lapras's posting is honestly still not particularly impressive to me
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 15:19
Cape, i just read more of ur stuff. Think I had ur suss wrong indeed (re Boq lol)
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 15:50
I am starting to have a villa feel out of Wisdom (lot of minor things but it adds up)
prolly not ww with dya or Boq too.
feeling good about Cape and Achro too.
I need to have a global look at my reads lol. Prolly have cleared people too easily lol
bad post, i was thinking about eradicating wisdom because she has been wolfy and boq has been towny
i have two very good reasons to think wisdom is a wolf, won’t say she’s outed but it’s the most likely hit fmpov
i have one decent reason to suspect boq is town
if anyone wants to solve in wisdom w worlds that would be appreciated
Raskolnikov
03-25-2023, 16:08
how i fell rn:
syn, visor, ladd, ender, vulgard, robyn, dyachei are prolly town
nutella, cape, lapras, boquise, achro to be sorted
wisdom
was missing illario there. funny but he was null. I also uncluded dya town there (maybe it's what Cape was talking about) which was prolly just a gut read because I don't recall any other thought regarding this slot outside of the push on illario
now
ladd, illario town
I still think Syn is in his town range. I don't think he can replicate his stubborness about his reads (agressively sussing whoever disagrees with him) he has when he is villaging. Also I think some of his takes were good (at the time they were posted ofc).
Vulgard is a keeper too. dunno, he has been solving full time.
visor/ender/dya I need to revisit because I have prolly cleared them too early. Ender/dya are the main reasons illario was MLed. prolly not ww. (but maybe one in there)
robyn poisoned. (prolly town though)
nutella I think town. Cape/Achro I am liking the posts rn (but maybe that's because they are pushing Boq too. Would need to reread fully toDay if time allows)
Wisdom I am liking more and more too.
So I am left with Lapras who I am not TRing yet, Boq, and Visor/ender/dya?
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