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Vote: Boquise
what will happen if i do this
HEY FRIENDS I'M HOME
finally
First time this day phase it's been hell writing on phone when the textbox zooms in so bad you can barely see half the word you're currently writing
I have a meeting in 15min but I'll see if I can get at least something done before that, I'm at least caught up, and after the meeting I'm home for the rest of the day, hopefully this sinking ship is still saveable!
First of all, just gotta say that I'm quite tilted by Robyn. She's doing the same "I'm bored and restless" kind of schpiel I've seen her done multiple times, the fake MD claim is just a testament to that. At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if she flips wolf, because I have no idea how that was supposed to help town even from her PoV, but it doesn't really matter. However - If she's wolf then her going ham trying to get a town misyeeted (me) is the best thing she can do as wolf. I don't think she's done much else than just focusing me.
However, I find the tunnel itself to fit her town game. In that meta though it's worth noting that she always wolf reads me regardless of my alignment and her talk about my wolf meta is just made up nonsense that's been proven wrong time and time again and she doesn't care about self reflecting because she just wants to be loud and I'm a player that is easier to be loud about, I have a playstyle (especially on phone) that's easy to just call wolfy and no one can really argue with it (I'm looking at Boq, Vulgard and Cape who I believe found me for the right reasons and then all seems to have just given up due to peer pressure or something. I do believe there could be a wolf in there though.)
First of all, just gotta say that I'm quite tilted by Robyn. She's doing the same "I'm bored and restless" kind of schpiel I've seen her done multiple times, the fake MD claim is just a testament to that. At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if she flips wolf, because I have no idea how that was supposed to help town even from her PoV, but it doesn't really matter. However - If she's wolf then her going ham trying to get a town misyeeted (me) is the best thing she can do as wolf. I don't think she's done much else than just focusing me.
However, I find the tunnel itself to fit her town game. In that meta though it's worth noting that she always wolf reads me regardless of my alignment and her talk about my wolf meta is just made up nonsense that's been proven wrong time and time again and she doesn't care about self reflecting because she just wants to be loud and I'm a player that is easier to be loud about, I have a playstyle (especially on phone) that's easy to just call wolfy and no one can really argue with it (I'm looking at Boq, Vulgard and Cape who I believe found me for the right reasons and then all seems to have just given up due to peer pressure or something. I do believe there could be a wolf in there though.)
Link to game where Robyn wolf read you but was wrong?
i don't want to quote the entire post but this is a very good post, i think you are town now
and yes, in fact, i did make that comment about skill issue specifically because i know i've mled you twice
no i was asking for opinions because i didn't feel great about my read on you
in regard to wisdom, you said my vote on them looked bad and i understand why; my dismissiveness comes from the fact that i'm fine with killing wisdom today. the reasoning boq gave earlier which i agreed with isn't enough to keep defending wisdom at this point
i still think that boq defending wisdom here is silly from him if he's a wolf, regardless if wisdom is a wolf or not. i now see that robyn has rescinded their claim, so ignore the point about the md result on boq because it's no longer relevant. i agree with you in that the self-vote was bad. the thing i find the wolfiest about boq is his handling of the read on rask, because he's alluded to it multiple times without presenting an actual case that makes sense, and he isn't finding wolves elsewhere. having only one wolfread and that wolfread being questionable is wolfy. if he's right about rask, then he's always town (and most likely, so is visor), but if he's town, then he isn't treating his own read seriously it seems. he said he would revisit it and i don't think he has, so now i once again don't know what his reads are.
for what it's worth, boq and visor aren't both wolves, because in that universe they treated raskol almost exactly the same and they wouldn't mirror their positioning so much as w/w. i dislike the handling of this read from both, however, and i wouldn't be surprised if one was a wolf trying to get people to suspect and question raskol. the lack of getting people on their side, and the lack of properly explaining, is questionable -- neither of them seems to care about their read. it just seems to exist.
with the pr result being rescinded, i have the following question for everyone (and i'm bolding it so that it's seen): are there any reasons you think wisdom might be town? this is an important question, so please answer it.
after i initially sheeped it you wrote a lot of towny posts that made me independently tr you as well, i think i even alluded to it earlier
Well I am glad I didn't come off too jerky about it at least. Your Boq/Visor point makes me curious, do you have any other unaligned pairs with Boq? How narrow or large is the suspect pool to you if we flip Boq and it's a hit, I suppose is my curiosity here. The Visor/Boq angle is one I can understand for example.
I mentioned Boq, Vulgard and Cape earlier as well and let's see if I can say something about them in ~7min.
Vulgard - I read his Achro being a wolf due to RP case and it felt to me like a "this makes sense for town to say so I'm gonna push it" kind of read. Like someone else pointed out breaking your RP tends to be towny although of course a wolf can use that knowledge to their advantage and Achro's someone who's played enough to use that well. Vulgard's push - wolfy, Achro's RP - NAI.
I've wolf read Achro because he doesn't have any strong pushes, just a lot of words, and I don't trust that. Vulgard is similar in the sense that he has a lot of posts but is just mainly under the radar, in addition to that push being wolfy + I don't know what to make of him not sticking to his guns when I'm wagoned.
Doubt they are wolves together though.
Cape - I found him extremely towny d1 and he just threw out a lot of large posts with solvyness and high WIM and I feel like he's lost that a bit today. This reminded me of how he played in a Syndicate game where he fooled me. I don't have much else on him though, but I don't feel as confident on him being town anymore.
Boquise - Another one that's unusually under the radar. I've been thinking that he's been in a similar position as me though, busy life and plays mafia when circumstances allows. That makes it harder to see if it's towny "not caring" or wolfy awkwardness, but something definitely sticks out. I still lean wolf but again not as confident.
Time's up, bye for now.
Link to game where Robyn wolf read you but was wrong?
If I remember after meeting. But it's every game we've played together and I was town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37745-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-One
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37936
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37935-Da-Bois-Invitational-15p
Achro
Check Lucy's ISO, it's just the same old wheel spinning time and time again.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37745-Mafia-League-Match-Two-Game-One
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37936
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37935-Da-Bois-Invitational-15p
Achro
Check Lucy's ISO, it's just the same old wheel spinning time and time again.
Two day 1 Wisdom kills with Lucy voting for Wisdom, flipped town both times.
Well then lol.
I've wolf read Achro because he doesn't have any strong pushes, just a lot of words, and I don't trust that. Vulgard is similar in the sense that he has a lot of posts but is just mainly under the radar, in addition to that push being wolfy + I don't know what to make of him not sticking to his guns when I'm wagoned.
I wonder, what qualifies as a "strong push" to you? I feel as if I have established reads over the two days and been thoughtful with them. I haven't run anyone over because I don't think this game is meant to run anybody over in. Although apparently a single post earlier was enough for Lapras to compare me to Charlie Day. A post, if I recall, you were supposed to give thoughts on at my request and which you never did. I suppose, yes, I don't have any 'strong pushes' if you just ignore my attempts at them. I know you'll have time today, but also it has already been a day since I asked for this feedback.
As I said day 1 though, I am taking some advice someone I respect a lot gave me about how to play among a lot of strong players and tbh I think I am playing well so far, just a matter of read accuracy.
Two day 1 Wisdom kills with Lucy voting for Wisdom, flipped town both times.
Well then lol.
Lucy lost her first two games against me, where I was wolf and she town, and she's been trashing me ever since.
So maybe don't give her confidence and loudness on "burying me because I wasn't too active yesterday" too much credit ?\_(ツ)_/?
I wonder, what qualifies as a "strong push" to you? I feel as if I have established reads over the two days and been thoughtful with them. I haven't run anyone over because I don't think this game is meant to run anybody over in. Although apparently a single post earlier was enough for Lapras to compare me to Charlie Day. A post, if I recall, you were supposed to give thoughts on at my request and which you never did. I suppose, yes, I don't have any 'strong pushes' if you just ignore my attempts at them. I know you'll have time today, but also it has already been a day since I asked for this feedback.
As I said day 1 though, I am taking some advice someone I respect a lot gave me about how to play among a lot of strong players and tbh I think I am playing well so far, just a matter of read accuracy.
Sorry, that's a me thing. I don't even remember the question? What am I supposed to do?
And like, yeah, you could be right, you're just being more people pleasing than I'm used to see from you. Being less aggressive than one usually is as town is to me a wolf tell, which is why I've noticed it. But I honestly have no idea about your wolf game and don't really care about pushing you harder right now.
I must admit though, that your walls were hard to read on phone and I skimmed most of them, so my perception of what you've done this game isn't fully fair.
I even have a weak memory of pushing you for the same thing in a different game or mash and you turned out to be town, now that I think about it, so my confidence on you just gets worse the more I think about it.
Sorry, that's a me thing. I don't even remember the question? What am I supposed to do?
And like, yeah, you could be right, you're just being more people pleasing than I'm used to see from you. Being less aggressive than one usually is as town is to me a wolf tell, which is why I've noticed it. But I honestly have no idea about your wolf game and don't really care about pushing you harder right now.
I must admit though, that your walls were hard to read on phone and I skimmed most of them, so my perception of what you've done this game isn't fully fair.
Well the last time you saw me play I was in so much pain I got incredibly cranky and took a 4 month break from mafia, you might be used to seeing me even more cranky than average!
I asked you to look at my Lapras case in regards to if Lapras/Boq were paired.
I even have a weak memory of pushing you for the same thing in a different game or mash and you turned out to be town, now that I think about it, so my confidence on you just gets worse the more I think about it.
I am finding it hilarious that outside of Cape almost exclusively the more people think about me the more I go from consensus PoE to 'actually wait yeah Achro is fine' or similar.
What the fuck is this game? lol
That's what happens when you realize your meta knowledge has flaws (Robyn take notes). ^^'
That's what happens when you realize your meta knowledge has flaws (Robyn take notes). ^^'
Or you are trying to pocket me while distancing from your partner Vul as you both realize that town is coming together against the both of you.
:logic:
I am ISOing you now though so we'll see how I feel.
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 14:49
Vote: Boq
I have changed my mind.
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 14:50
Wisdom is now inno child.
Wisdom is now inno child.
What did the trick? Mostly asking if I can sheep because my eyes glaze over reading Wisdom's early game.
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 15:09
What did the trick? Mostly asking if I can sheep because my eyes glaze over reading Wisdom's early game.
The whole frustration about the Robyn tunnel and the snipes about it reverberates a lot with my own feelings on the subject. And makes me feel like it comes more from a town getting incorrectly read (again)
The whole frustration about the Robyn tunnel and the snipes about it reverberates a lot with my own feelings on the subject. And makes me feel like it comes more from a town getting incorrectly read (again)
Wouldn't you pull this out though if you were correctly being scum read though? Feels like the obvious card to play in order to immediately take the wind out of Robyn's sails. It certainly worked for me, I went from "okay Robyn is cooking here" to seeing the two day 1 lynches and going, and I mean this literally, "lol" irl.
So to ask another way - you think that response is straight up out of Wisdom's scum range?
you are the third willing to post this (achro, cape, you). the setups nature makes it the back up never carry the kill till he has alive partner. that's about it. Any other deduction is wrong. robyn's result is worth nothing as it stands.
Oh i missed these few replies. Well Robyn took it back so it doesn't matter any more, but generally speaking I will take things like statistical likelyhood into account if my reads are at somewhat comparative strength levels.
So that scan, before Robyn was like 'lol', would have been similar to having a green check in a game with a godfather and thinking 'yeah guess that green check means nothing.'
It's not 100% a clear, but it does make one have to rethink things.
Well I am glad I didn't come off too jerky about it at least. Your Boq/Visor point makes me curious, do you have any other unaligned pairs with Boq? How narrow or large is the suspect pool to you if we flip Boq and it's a hit, I suppose is my curiosity here. The Visor/Boq angle is one I can understand for example.
i don't usually think in terms of unaligning people before they flip so nothing else immediately comes to mind but there would presumably be something, just like with wisdom if w
I mentioned Boq, Vulgard and Cape earlier as well and let's see if I can say something about them in ~7min.
Vulgard - I read his Achro being a wolf due to RP case and it felt to me like a "this makes sense for town to say so I'm gonna push it" kind of read. Like someone else pointed out breaking your RP tends to be towny although of course a wolf can use that knowledge to their advantage and Achro's someone who's played enough to use that well. Vulgard's push - wolfy, Achro's RP - NAI.
I've wolf read Achro because he doesn't have any strong pushes, just a lot of words, and I don't trust that. Vulgard is similar in the sense that he has a lot of posts but is just mainly under the radar, in addition to that push being wolfy + I don't know what to make of him not sticking to his guns when I'm wagoned.
Doubt they are wolves together though.
Cape - I found him extremely towny d1 and he just threw out a lot of large posts with solvyness and high WIM and I feel like he's lost that a bit today. This reminded me of how he played in a Syndicate game where he fooled me. I don't have much else on him though, but I don't feel as confident on him being town anymore.
Boquise - Another one that's unusually under the radar. I've been thinking that he's been in a similar position as me though, busy life and plays mafia when circumstances allows. That makes it harder to see if it's towny "not caring" or wolfy awkwardness, but something definitely sticks out. I still lean wolf but again not as confident.
Time's up, bye for now.
i can reference a bazillion of examples from games i was in where what i said about rp and how it seems to have bearing on alignment matches up to what i said
i've been since informed that i might've just had unusual experiences so i dropped that line of reasoning and i think i was just wrong now
the reason i'm asking if people have reasons to believe wisdom is town is a similar case to lapras
i'm trying to build some form of consensus because i feel like a lot of people are just throwing reads out there and it's not getting us anywhere
the reason i'm not "sticking to my guns" is that i don't think the reason boq gave is enough at this point
i feel like your reads are just omgus wisdom
i'm pretty sure i'm about to postcap so i need to stop posting but i'll review people's answers to the wisdom query and i'll try to be here for eod to at least vote someone
the reason i'm asking if people have reasons to believe wisdom is town is a similar case to lapras
i'm trying to build some form of consensus because i feel like a lot of people are just throwing reads out there and it's not getting us anywhere
Speaking of Lapras, did you comment on my big Lapras post? I would have expected you to since you tunneled day 1 so much onto Lapras. If you did and I just forgot you can just point me to the post.
i'm pretty sure i'm about to postcap so i need to stop posting but i'll review people's answers to the wisdom query and i'll try to be here for eod to at least vote someone
You are at 144 for the thread and your post cap for the day according to Nutella's quick math when day started was 175, so you've got plenty of room still.
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 15:45
Wouldn't you pull this out though if you were correctly being scum read though? Feels like the obvious card to play in order to immediately take the wind out of Robyn's sails. It certainly worked for me, I went from "okay Robyn is cooking here" to seeing the two day 1 lynches and going, and I mean this literally, "lol" irl.
So to ask another way - you think that response is straight up out of Wisdom's scum range?
Completely out of scumrange? Can't be super sure.
And I could pull it out as wolf, but there's a different emotion between being caught and being incorrectly wolfread.
Completely out of scumrange? Can't be super sure.
And I could pull it out as wolf, but there's a different emotion between being caught and being incorrectly wolfread.
Yeah I feel ya, just wondering if Wisdom does what I do and looks themselves in the mirror and goes "I am town, fuck anyone who says otherwise. I am town, fuck anyone who says otherwise."
I do like the boq vote tho. You should find my Lapras post and tell me what you think, it directly relates to wolf Boq worlds.
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 15:59
Completely out of scumrange? Can't be super sure.
And I could pull it out as wolf, but there's a different emotion between being caught and being incorrectly wolfread.
ie? Can you show me what makes you think Wisdom is a villager incorrectly wolfread here as opposed to the being caught?
Vote: Boq
Going back to this seeing as Robyn was just having a bit of fun with the MD thing, so math is back on my side. Hoo-hah.
Not strictly opposed to Wisdom dying atm, but I've given Boq and Boq worlds more of my brain power this phase and I like my conclusions there.
I am going to go rest, I should be back before deadline.
the reason i'm not "sticking to my guns" is that i don't think the reason boq gave is enough at this point
i feel like your reads are just omgus wisdom
I did actually say that's exactly what they are a while ago.
If you're disconnected to a game that's usually the easiest way to start solving.
ie? Can you show me what makes you think Wisdom is a villager incorrectly wolfread here as opposed to the being caught?
Can you explain why "Wisdom has loads of experience and chose to play like this as wolf" is the most reasonable conclusion for you?
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 16:44
Can you explain why "Wisdom has loads of experience and chose to play like this as wolf" is the most reasonable conclusion for you?
I don't think that's what I said?
I am trying to determine if Ender just posted that for kicks or if he can articulate why you are a villager here in his mind.
I just think you had an awkward entrance, few time irl, and a bad rand. Your experience has nothing to do with it.
Achro - He's had high WIM and I don't really know to solve him if I don't base my reads on flawed meta. Lean town but very weak.
Boq - Had low WIM but that doesn't really imply anything, and it might even be high WIM but low time in thread. Lean wolf but weak.
Cape90 - Had high WIM d1 and less so today, was very confident on his read on me early on but changed his mind when others started doubting, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't unless other wolf read me so egh that makes him either a wolf or a coward. Null.
dyachei - I've been able to find them quite early based on WIM and how they percieve solving and this time I haven't. That has been a wolf tell before. Boq town reads them, and I don't really understand why because in a w/w situation that seems like a dumb thing to do, if w!Boq and v!Dya that seems plausible, and if v!Boq then I guess he has more experience with Dya to read them better than I do. I wish I had Dunya's solid skill of reading them. I guess lean v if I sheep Boq regardless of his alignment, but kinda wanna lean w because lacking a town read usually implies wolf on slots like them. Am torn. Won't vote right now I guess. (I'm already voting them ain't I lol) Lean wolf.
EnderWiggin - Feels different from last game in which he was wolfing. I didn't catch him then but Syn caught him pretty much instantly and I've seen nothing of the sorts so far, so that strengthens my hunch that Ender is town. Lean town, re-evaluate if Syn is w.
lapras - I still have no read here, sorry. Null.
nutella - To me the most obvious town right now, reads feels genuine and not made to please people, not sure if I can explain it better without a proper ISO. I get why people think we're w/w. I don't get why people wolf read her outside of that. Town.
raskolnikov - Has tunneled me straight since game started and conf biased everything I've said and down. Nothing similar to the wolf-Rask I've both played with and against. Town.
Syn - Similar to Rask but slightly weaker. The tunnel exist similarly to how he caught Ender last game except he's wrong now. Not sure if he'd play like this as wolf, and tunnels are towny in general. Lean tpwn.
Visor - Been changing my mind a lot on him. I don't hate my earlier reason to town read him but compared to most reads he feels like the weakest town read, and for a player of his caliber that might just make him a wolf. I guess null for now.
Vulgard - Not completely sure how to approach him. He's better at reading me than I am at reading him in general, but I have had moments in games where I just find him to be town (once he turned out to be a wolf though) and right now I don't, which gives me similar vibes as Dya. Weak wolf lean.
DEAD
illario - Town read me, not sure why he was wagoned in the first place outside of "Could be w/w with Wisdom" (which is the same kind of dichotomy I've heard a lot today). Should probably look at his reads closer if I get the time.
ladd - Wolf read me, also wolf read Boq. He was killed because he is Ladd and Ladd gets n1'd, even more so because it frames me but I wonder if it frames Boq or if just Boq killed him because he was right?
Robyn - Probably town but has done very little useful for the alignment today.
I don't think that's what I said?
I am trying to determine if Ender just posted that for kicks or if he can articulate why you are a villager here in his mind.
I just think you had an awkward entrance, few time irl, and a bad rand. Your experience has nothing to do with it.
You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.
There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.
Like if you're gonna trash me it's probably more correct to say that I suck at playing mafia on phone regardless of alignment. I believe you can see a difference in how I play and post from the last 3 hours compared to the rest of the day, same goes with the last hour I was online D1.
It's something that could be noticed in any game I play really. I usually only play on PC if I have other business here as well, because -sorry- I play mafia to have something fun to think about and to hang out with nice people first hand, and rarely high effort to win if it's not competetive or I'm invested, and I'm far too used to be the top wagon d1 and d2 to start caring before mid game.
The whole frustration about the Robyn tunnel and the snipes about it reverberates a lot with my own feelings on the subject. And makes me feel like it comes more from a town getting incorrectly read (again)
aaahhhh maybe
Visor
why are you wolfreading me?
how about explaining just 3 reads you have instead of not doing anything
ngl kind of tilted that wisdom can't seem to see my WIM this game because d1 i had something happen irl.
I've been much more active today and I feel like I'm showing my process
okay yeah sure
vote: boquise
feels like im getting punished in a chill game for not being super proactive and present even though I've talked about why i wasnt able to be as present d1
feelsbadman
ngl kind of tilted that wisdom can't seem to see my WIM this game because d1 i had something happen irl.
I've been much more active today and I feel like I'm showing my process
Unvote
I never meant to have that vote there for more than 5min, sorry.
I can't offer you a town read but I can at least unvote.
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1795
boquise 4 vulgard enderwiggin achro nutella
wisdom 1 raskolnikov
dyachei 1 visor
ender 1 boquise
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
You are at 144 for the thread and your post cap for the day according to Nutella's quick math when day started was 175, so you've got plenty of room still.
where are you checking this?
Speaking of Lapras, did you comment on my big Lapras post? I would have expected you to since you tunneled day 1 so much onto Lapras. If you did and I just forgot you can just point me to the post.
oh yeah that post
honestly i'm not sure
i see the point you're making but i just don't have an opinion on it
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1795
boquise 4 vulgard enderwiggin achro nutella
wisdom 1 raskolnikov
dyachei 1 visor
ender 1 boquise
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
most wagons are on someone i don't tr
ender "wagon" is a thing i guess
Boquise actually why are you voting ender
most wagons are on someone i don't tr
ender "wagon" is a thing i guess
Boquise actually why are you voting ender
Uh what I thought I was voting myself?
Unvote: Ender
Super weird
I think it is better if I just die here. We'll see if I make some posts/read the thread or just enjoy my Sunday with something else
y'all are unbelievable
vote: Wisdom
y'all are unbelievable
vote: Wisdom
still would appreciate your case there as you were more confident before everyone else, can you point to meta stuff or something that buries them
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 18:54
You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.
There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.
Like if you're gonna trash me it's probably more correct to say that I suck at playing mafia on phone regardless of alignment. I believe you can see a difference in how I play and post from the last 3 hours compared to the rest of the day, same goes with the last hour I was online D1.
It's something that could be noticed in any game I play really. I usually only play on PC if I have other business here as well, because -sorry- I play mafia to have something fun to think about and to hang out with nice people first hand, and rarely high effort to win if it's not competetive or I'm invested, and I'm far too used to be the top wagon d1 and d2 to start caring before mid game.
The fact that you have more time now doesn't make you any more villagery. The fact you are AtEing saying wolfreading you is disrepecting your wolf game is insane. What about your villa play then? Is this it? YOu have been villa here? com'on
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 18:58
You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.
There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.
Achro - He's had high WIM and I don't really know to solve him if I don't base my reads on flawed meta. Lean town but very weak.
Boq - Had low WIM but that doesn't really imply anything, and it might even be high WIM but low time in thread. Lean wolf but weak.
Cape90 - Had high WIM d1 and less so today, was very confident on his read on me early on but changed his mind when others started doubting, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't unless other wolf read me so egh that makes him either a wolf or a coward. Null.
dyachei - I've been able to find them quite early based on WIM and how they percieve solving and this time I haven't. That has been a wolf tell before. Boq town reads them, and I don't really understand why because in a w/w situation that seems like a dumb thing to do, if w!Boq and v!Dya that seems plausible, and if v!Boq then I guess he has more experience with Dya to read them better than I do. I wish I had Dunya's solid skill of reading them. I guess lean v if I sheep Boq regardless of his alignment, but kinda wanna lean w because lacking a town read usually implies wolf on slots like them. Am torn. Won't vote right now I guess. (I'm already voting them ain't I lol) Lean wolf.
EnderWiggin - Feels different from last game in which he was wolfing. I didn't catch him then but Syn caught him pretty much instantly and I've seen nothing of the sorts so far, so that strengthens my hunch that Ender is town. Lean town, re-evaluate if Syn is w.
lapras - I still have no read here, sorry. Null.
nutella - To me the most obvious town right now, reads feels genuine and not made to please people, not sure if I can explain it better without a proper ISO. I get why people think we're w/w. I don't get why people wolf read her outside of that. Town.
raskolnikov - Has tunneled me straight since game started and conf biased everything I've said and down. Nothing similar to the wolf-Rask I've both played with and against. Town.
Syn - Similar to Rask but slightly weaker. The tunnel exist similarly to how he caught Ender last game except he's wrong now. Not sure if he'd play like this as wolf, and tunnels are towny in general. Lean tpwn.
Visor - Been changing my mind a lot on him. I don't hate my earlier reason to town read him but compared to most reads he feels like the weakest town read, and for a player of his caliber that might just make him a wolf. I guess null for now.
Vulgard - Not completely sure how to approach him. He's better at reading me than I am at reading him in general, but I have had moments in games where I just find him to be town (once he turned out to be a wolf though) and right now I don't, which gives me similar vibes as Dya. Weak wolf lean.
DEAD
illario - Town read me, not sure why he was wagoned in the first place outside of "Could be w/w with Wisdom" (which is the same kind of dichotomy I've heard a lot today). Should probably look at his reads closer if I get the time.
ladd - Wolf read me, also wolf read Boq. He was killed because he is Ladd and Ladd gets n1'd, even more so because it frames me but I wonder if it frames Boq or if just Boq killed him because he was right?
Robyn - Probably town but has done very little useful for the alignment today.
Unvote
I never meant to have that vote there for more than 5min, sorry.
I can't offer you a town read but I can at least unvote.
Vote: Lapras
Yolo
So tl;dr you are yolo voting a null when you have several wolf leans (Boq, Visor, dya, Vulgard).
(I won't get into the way your wolf lean are formed because it's just meta/vibes shrug)
Bur you aren't a wolf. lmao
reading pieces of the thread, and i find it sort of unbelievable that all three of cape, rask and vulgard fail to understand my rask read and make huge mental jumps with it, when it is short and should be easy to understand. Maybe I am more terrible at expressing myself than I thought. So just to not have to waste time with it and have it twisted for the umpteenth time, here is a short summary + restating my own acknowledgements
I had a suspicion on nutella
nutella suspected me
nutella walked back her suspicion
Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it
I have seen that as a common wolf tactic
having absolutely nothing else to go on, i voted there.
That was D1.
On D2, I said I needed to go through my read and update it
With this, I am announcing that I think the read is weak and could be wrong
However, Rask twisted it and misrepped my play so I did not feel complied to pull down the effort to do so.
I also found that twisting to be wolfy due to my thread position.
Here are some acknowledgements:
i know the rask read is weak
i am not hyper valuing it, i could very well be wrong, but my care levels are very low.
I have a few town reads but no real scum read
I will not force a scum read just for the sake of having a scum read when I have no clue
Especially in a game where my posts are under a magnifying glass and where people inject their own leaps of conclusions to them and act as if those assumptions are facts.
The next person who complains about me not having a scum read is the person I will unironically death tunnel until post game, both here and in the graveyard tbh
alrightie, lets catch some woofs!
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:01
And Wisdom, don't get me wrong here, but I have wolfed with you (even successfully iirc). Your WIM poppins are totally a thing you do as a wolf.
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:06
reading pieces of the thread, and i find it sort of unbelievable that all three of cape, rask and vulgard fail to understand my rask read and make huge mental jumps with it, when it is short and should be easy to understand. Maybe I am more terrible at expressing myself than I thought. So just to not have to waste time with it and have it twisted for the umpteenth time, here is a short summary + restating my own acknowledgements
I had a suspicion on nutella
nutella suspected me
nutella walked back her suspicion
Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it
I have seen that as a common wolf tactic
having absolutely nothing else to go on, i voted there.
That was D1.
On D2, I said I needed to go through my read and update it
With this, I am announcing that I think the read is weak and could be wrong
However, Rask twisted it and misrepped my play so I did not feel complied to pull down the effort to do so.
I also found that twisting to be wolfy due to my thread position.
Here are some acknowledgements:
i know the rask read is weak
i am not hyper valuing it, i could very well be wrong, but my care levels are very low.
I have a few town reads but no real scum read
I will not force a scum read just for the sake of having a scum read when I have no clue
Especially in a game where my posts are under a magnifying glass and where people inject their own leaps of conclusions to them and act as if those assumptions are facts.
The next person who complains about me not having a scum read is the person I will unironically death tunnel until post game, both here and in the graveyard tbh
alrightie, lets catch some woofs!
tbh I just think you haven't been reading my posts Boq. it's OK.
Pls quote the post where:
"Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it"
that triggered your vote pls. I just have no recollection about what you are talking about.
Also I have made a post where I explained my stances on nutella D1. Did you read it? Because it's pretty clear to me you have missed a lot of my progression on this slot. You owe me this effort if you are a villager. Otherwise, yes sure go on lol.
nvm flip flop drive is engaged again
vote: wisdom
for legal reasons, the last part about death tunnel was supposed to be a joke tbh
The fact that you have more time now doesn't make you any more villagery. The fact you are AtEing saying wolfreading you is disrepecting your wolf game is insane. What about your villa play then? Is this it? YOu have been villa here? com'on
You misunderstand me, I've read similar times today that people call me specifically A bad wolf. As in a general thing. And I find that, well, disrespectful as you put it. I didn't talk about you specifically, and I don't call anyone calling me wolf bad/disrespectful (I even get it, more or less), I'm just not a fan of getting trashed, understandably.
But you haven't answered my question - The reasons you wolf read me for - Why would I do that as wolf specifically?
I think I've been villa enough the last few hours, yes.
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:16
See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.
nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)
oh you must be talking about this Boquise lol.
Just know I had them as a weak TR at that time. before that, I voted them early on to prob a null read after the rvs phase.
ANd then these posts:
nah it's fine
i personally have a hard time narrating all those steps that happen in my brain when i make a read so maybe i am just stressed out by your ability to do so
but i was about to unvote you this is so unfair
vote: achro
back to my vanity wagon since no one else is wolfy lol
ok im lock towning boq forever gg haha
looked wolfy to me.
Like they went from sussing you pretty hard to locking you town forever out of the post where you explained your process on Wisdom, which looked sus to me at time (like I am pretty sure you have sufficient range to make that kind of post as a wolf lol).
Feel free to wolfread me for it Boq, but I guess I have made my thought process pretty clear here.
fwiw I have nutella as strong town too now :bow:
tbh I just think you haven't been reading my posts Boq. it's OK.
Pls quote the post where:
"Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it"
that triggered your vote pls. I just have no recollection about what you are talking about.
Also I have made a post where I explained my stances on nutella D1. Did you read it? Because it's pretty clear to me you have missed a lot of my progression on this slot. You owe me this effort if you are a villager. Otherwise, yes sure go on lol.
It was this post tbh
See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.
nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)
At first I also thought the first sentence could be a bit pockety but decided against it because it was funny tbh
I think it is easier to catch wolves in posts like this than in the big boi posts tbh
and yeah, like I have already stated, I will re-look my read and stuff. I have missed a lot of progression on everybody. Syn is still calling for Wisdom's head and I dont know if they have ever said why and at this point i am too afraid to ask tbh
And Wisdom, don't get me wrong here, but I have wolfed with you (even successfully iirc). Your WIM poppins are totally a thing you do as a wolf.
hahahahaah
oh you must be talking about this Boquise lol.
Just know I had them as a weak TR at that time. before that, I voted them early on to prob a null read after the rvs phase.
ANd then these posts:
looked wolfy to me.
Like they went from sussing you pretty hard to locking you town forever out of the post where you explained your process on Wisdom, which looked sus to me at time (like I am pretty sure you have sufficient range to make that kind of post as a wolf lol).
Feel free to wolfread me for it Boq, but I guess I have made my thought process pretty clear here.
fwiw I have nutella as strong town too now :bow:
yea
i think town is less about having a whole dance number to walk back a scum read, and are instead more prone to steer away from it immediately when they get a new thought tbh
so it was never about your thought process being unclear
now i have to consider whether rask's passive-aggressive/annoyance in tone is townie smh
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:28
You misunderstand me, I've read similar times today that people call me specifically A bad wolf. As in a general thing. And I find that, well, disrespectful as you put it. I didn't talk about you specifically, and I don't call anyone calling me wolf bad/disrespectful (I even get it, more or less), I'm just not a fan of getting trashed, understandably.
But you haven't answered my question - The reasons you wolf read me for - Why would I do that as wolf specifically?
I think I've been villa enough the last few hours, yes.
do what? You know there are very few wolves that out themselves on purpose.
What do you want me to say? As a wolf you would be too shy to SR Visor then back off immediatly? You don't like WIFOM? You don't like LAMIST? You wouldn't ride the "Raskol is a wolf" vibes that were itt mid D1 because Visor posted it? Come on. I am pretty sure you can do that and giggle about it.
:shrug:
This was my last post about science-fiction Wisdom (even if I do know you enjoy it <3)
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:31
hihihihihi
hohohoho
yeah, i think your reads suck, robyn
sorry, i think your read accuracy is worse than mine because you have me, a villager, in your poe of 3
I saw your post Wisdom about struggling to read Dya. So this is a good example.
In the last games I have played with Dya, I have pushed them. They were a wolf in one (a game here, last December) and town in the other games.
Whilst Dya as scum try to shut down scum reads on them, imo they also try to be cooperative. The post I am quoting here gives no pardon. "You have me, a villager, in your poe of 3" (therefore robyn's reads, according to dya, are bad). Like, I think as town Dya has an approach/perspective that does not allow them to be inside someone else's poe because "they are town". Idk if I am making myself understandable here.
im not going to ignore visor because i think he's a wolf
Im not going to solve in the way you think solving should happen because I play my own game
This post is also an example of Dya not being cooperative.
Like. I am not a good Dya reader. Dya has stated that themselves in the last games we have played and I have misread them, but I think I have learned some tells at least
my point is that dya as a wolf is more concerned on having positive relationships in the thread, like caring more about the social aspect of the game than actually solving the game
i don't know how that's the case for you
cape said boq was playing to his wolf meta in regard to his read on cape, explained why and how
rask said boq made up a fake argument that has no basis in reality and that boq's read on him has been narrow and weak (the latter of which i agree with, the former of which i understand his reasoning about)
boq's wolfread on rask has indeed been pretty stale and unchanging, it's also the closest thing he has to an actual wolfread that he believes in so it being so unexplained and not strongly pursued is extra wolfy, doesn't seem like he's actually hunting
i feel like all of the above would be wolfy for anyone and not just boq, so why is it "just boq?"
i just dont really understand how i get so misunderstood when i all my posts are short and succinct tbh
there is no fake argument.
i have stated multiple times it is weak and up to change
when will this register with you? Vulgard
nebjiamn
03-26-2023, 19:40
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1823
boquise 3 vulgard enderwiggin achro
wisdom 3 raskolnikov Syn nutella
dyachei 1 visor
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
i can sorta see the take on visor because he hasn't really been playing but what do you think he's done that was actually ai? for me the worst thing is that he's been continually hinting he has suspicions on rask but has postponed explaining them for a long time which is similar to what boq's doing
he has the irl excuse so it's not as wolfy from him but it's still something that bothers me
maybe if i write a musical about the play/read i had, it will have a lasting impression
this is starting to get wolfy
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 19:40
leaning town on Boq now :curtain:
(the fact I understand where he is coming from with his read on me and these last solving posts)
i don’t have a vote?????? lmfao
lmao. don't out them pls. (I know ur joat read lmao)
in my experience, it is wolves that usually react like this because It Is The Proper Townie Reaction, whilst town try to not react at all tbh
a wolf who wants robyn to out the joat lmao
Where did you see this/how did you come to this conclusion?
i don’t have a vote?????? lmfao
u have to use colon or they wont see it
hmmm
Vote: Boquise
lots of people i read village making good points
if this flips v i'm resetting my townreads because the game is likely upside down in some way
lmao
Vote: Vulgard
Out of the people who have led my wagon, Vulgard is the one who is just rehashing things and hiding behind the other two (Cape and Rask)
was missing illario there. funny but he was null. I also uncluded dya town there (maybe it's what Cape was talking about) which was prolly just a gut read because I don't recall any other thought regarding this slot outside of the push on illario
now
ladd, illario town
I still think Syn is in his town range. I don't think he can replicate his stubborness about his reads (agressively sussing whoever disagrees with him) he has when he is villaging. Also I think some of his takes were good (at the time they were posted ofc).
Vulgard is a keeper too. dunno, he has been solving full time.
visor/ender/dya I need to revisit because I have prolly cleared them too early. Ender/dya are the main reasons illario was MLed. prolly not ww. (but maybe one in there)
robyn poisoned. (prolly town though)
nutella I think town. Cape/Achro I am liking the posts rn (but maybe that's because they are pushing Boq too. Would need to reread fully toDay if time allows)
Wisdom I am liking more and more too.
So I am left with Lapras who I am not TRing yet, Boq, and Visor/ender/dya?
I think how Rask is bouncing back and forth on his Wisdom read is rand>townie
Also boq went to bed cuz they were ill
Lololol how often do these wild theories actually worm achro
wait what
i wasnt
it was because it was late
dont think vulgard/lapras are w/w
- ive not voted boq
- i dont think boq is wolf yet
- id done no analysis
- i dont think what i said even applies to boq
Why wouldnt you wait till i spewed my analysis?
Anyway its stupid because:
- it relies on me coming up with a wild and apparently easily falsified reason to scum reaad boq
- it relies on me arguing that boq being ill counts as not caring
- it is based ON AN ASSUMPTION of who I'll end up finding scummy based on reads i do
- it relies on town having and taalking only in perfectly logical well thought out suspicions which are inscrutable to logic which definitely fits more how wolves solve
- it discounts this being an actual town theory of mine
...which i know it is. I think the evidence is there in that i was posting my thoughts in a flurry so hadnt actuslly gone back and checked?
- it relies on a type of wolf behaviour that i dont really think happens much where they set up convoluted ways to scum read their buddies
Its basically the most complex theory kf what could happen and there are thousands of other things it could be- whether im town (as i am) or if im wolf (e.g. if i was wolf i could go on to frame soemoen else!!!)
Im typing this whilst getting ready so not proof reading but for your theory to apply:
- i would have failed to check the background information to validate my planned bus
- id be about to bus boq
- boq would have to be wolf
- id have to be a wolf
I know all those things are false.
So yh its just a hair brained theory
I dont know why youd instantly assume that its a wolf theory from me instead of spitballing town? Or wrong town? Like youve not seen my follow up
where did i leave the impression that i was ill?
Like, I did stay home from work last Thursday-Friday but that was because of anxiety attacks and that was also before this game randed iirc?
But yeah I have been low wim through the game
dont think I have said I was ill though?
I am a bit surprised that you dont have much of a read on me since you usually have a take, however my read on you is fairly weak so maybe we are just in sync even when we dont know what we are doing tbh
leaning town on Boq now :curtain:
(the fact I understand where he is coming from with his read on me and these last solving posts)
you are now legally bound to inform Vulgard that my read was not coming out from absolute nowhere hmpf tbh!
i feel like i don't really jive with the thread a lot this game because my reads seem fairly different. after reading lapras iso in more ddetail i dont want to vote there
maybe i am voting vulgard more out of annoyance than an actual read but i am interested in seeing how he plays around these change of events. Like I immediately felt Rask's reaction to Robyn's joat stuff to be wolfy but maybe thats because i have created a bias, that i am the correct one and everyone else smells tbh
for the record, my town reads:
Wisdom, Dya, Nut, Syn, Robyn, maybe rask, maybe lapras tho feels like he has sidelined a lot even tho he got into fire for standing up for me which makes him a G tbh, cape is also probably town (dont think anyone got back to me about my qualms tho), and fine rask can have town points. I also have thought Vulgard is town but I am annoyed that he is stating things about my play that isnt true and that he could easily fact check.
So maybe I am dropping him down in the bad bois pile. Maybe not.
I have no read on Achro and Visor. Which is a concern.
Achro has posted a lot and has pushed me a lot. We seem to have the same poe? Idk, he is a difficult read for me
Visor's posts have given me nothing.
This is where I am at
maybe i am voting vulgard more out of annoyance than an actual read but i am interested in seeing how he plays around these change of events. Like I immediately felt Rask's reaction to Robyn's joat stuff to be wolfy but maybe thats because i have created a bias, that i am the correct one and everyone else smells tbh
for the record, my town reads:
Wisdom, Dya, Nut, Syn, Robyn, maybe rask, maybe lapras tho feels like he has sidelined a lot even tho he got into fire for standing up for me which makes him a G tbh, cape is also probably town (dont think anyone got back to me about my qualms tho), and fine rask can have town points. I also have thought Vulgard is town but I am annoyed that he is stating things about my play that isnt true and that he could easily fact check.
So maybe I am dropping him down in the bad bois pile. Maybe not.
I have no read on Achro and Visor. Which is a concern.
Achro has posted a lot and has pushed me a lot. We seem to have the same poe? Idk, he is a difficult read for me
Visor's posts have given me nothing.
This is where I am at
reading vulgard iso right now
dont really like his flip flop on rask all that much and he feels kind of word-salady/overexplainy so far
i'm not particularly enthusiastic about the wisdom wagon to be honest
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Vote: Lapras
he's just kinda there, other than his earlier commentary - which i took issue with and explained
accepting reasons to think this is town (asked for them earlier and nobody gave any)
looking at how the thread is progressing just convinces me more that lapras might indeed be a wolf
nobody is talking about him
nobody has told me why he's town after i asked for reasons why he's town twice
all he's done since the earlygame was omgus (this is slightly unfair but i don't remember him doing anything other than questioning my push on him and then voting me)
i'd likely be re-evaluating the early gut feeling i had on him if not for the fact he hasn't given me a reason to do so and the complete lack of willingness to discuss his slot makes me think he's getting overlooked
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i think nutella's posts are fine and visor's posts are whatever, nutella slight town, visor down to null
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@ achro i'm not really sure what you're doing this game to be honest, i think the best parts of your posting are the parts where you're pushing me because unlike everyone else you actually have reasons for it but that could be my bias
i probably sound more frustrated than i actually am as i say this
in regard to my treatment of lapras, the read did feel kinda stale but i asked other people for reads on the slot several times and the slot hasn't done anything to alter my opinion in any way so my early gut feeling turned into a vote and now seeing the threadstate go the way that it has i'm suspecting i might just be correct
you alluded to me not questioning lapras or something but there's nothing to question him about, he hasn't really been producing content, he just asked about my read on him and then voted me
there's nothing to work with here
and if he's town i realize that this push on him from me likely isn't helping, but also if he's town then i frankly expect better from him
basically regardless of alignment's he's not exactly being helpful, but couple that with how the thread seems to be treating him and how i had a negative gut feeling about his early-game posting (which is his most substantive posting, also i went back to the post that made me think he's maybe mafia and i still think it's wolfy), i think this is worth pursuing
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i don't particularly like the push on wisdom, i don't have a strong tr on wisdom but it feels more like a lazy wagon / shot in the dark to me than anything, nobody really gave good reasons other than "this post wolfy" which is technically the same thing as me talking about lapras but fmpov there is a greater number of factors in my lapras read
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push on boq is... okay i guess but i've no idea how he plays wolf, he kinda just hasn't played the game imo
meh as i was writing this i realized that i'm just singling out lapras based on a gut feeling but i do think it's strange that nobody can formulate a reason for him being town yet he isn't talked about or suspected or anything (unlike wisdom, boquise, nutella until recently...)
these quotes make it possible that wisddom/vul are w/w
i honestly have no idea how people are getting their reads on wisdom and visor, i don't think either of them has done anything yet other than having a little hands-off back-and-forth that's maaaaaybe not w/w
mind explaining?
this is interesting because vulgard had visor townish then trended him down to null earlier
reading vulgard iso right now
dont really like his flip flop on rask all that much and he feels kind of word-salady/overexplainy so far
nice tbh
i'm going to play some video games but will return before sleeping
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:14
in my experience, it is wolves that usually react like this because It Is The Proper Townie Reaction, whilst town try to not react at all tbh
Where did you see this/how did you come to this conclusion?
Because of the sheer annoyance robyn displayed in that post.
i am very tempted to out joat purely because they deserve to die for their play
wolves probably know too because it?s breadcrumbed, i am embarrassed that such a player was allowed to play this game
Then Wisdom comes in and do two things in the post I quoted.
- revealed their wolf mindset ("will flip without my help")
- tryed to trigger robyn, blaming the joat.
Fwiw Boq, I posted because I thought robyn was actually capable of outing the joat if annoyed (I am tring them).
Because of the sheer annoyance robyn displayed in that post.
Then Wisdom comes in and do two things in the post I quoted.
- revealed their wolf mindset ("will flip without my help")
- tryed to trigger robyn, blaming the joat.
Fwiw Boq, I posted because I thought robyn was actually capable of outing the joat if annoyed (I am tring them).
mmmh yeah fair
robyn would probably do that
reading vulgard's iso, i come away feeling he's being very opportunistic. he came in today asking why boq was even a wagon yesterday, but votes him later because "other people bring up good points". He does the same with wisdom. and while he didnt have me v yesterday, he put me in his poe of 3 with wisdom and boq
vote: vulgard
Boquise
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:18
wis/cape/vulg is my postgamecred team. But lettuce flip the obvious wolf here :curtain:
yeah i think wisdom/vulgard/+1 is the primary direction of my solve rn
where cape makes sense as the +1 but im not confident
reading vulgard's iso, i come away feeling he's being very opportunistic. he came in today asking why boq was even a wagon yesterday, but votes him later because "other people bring up good points". He does the same with wisdom. and while he didnt have me v yesterday, he put me in his poe of 3 with wisdom and boq
vote: vulgard
Boquise
perhaps i will be a hero of this game still!
we need to pick one wagon though to counter boq and i think it is wisdom today
So tl;dr you are yolo voting a null when you have several wolf leans (Boq, Visor, dya, Vulgard).
(I won't get into the way your wolf lean are formed because it's just meta/vibes shrug)
Bur you aren't a wolf. lmao
Correct!
Except Visor's also just null, really.
maybe i am voting vulgard more out of annoyance than an actual read but i am interested in seeing how he plays around these change of events. Like I immediately felt Rask's reaction to Robyn's joat stuff to be wolfy but maybe thats because i have created a bias, that i am the correct one and everyone else smells tbh
for the record, my town reads:
Wisdom, Dya, Nut, Syn, Robyn, maybe rask, maybe lapras tho feels like he has sidelined a lot even tho he got into fire for standing up for me which makes him a G tbh, cape is also probably town (dont think anyone got back to me about my qualms tho), and fine rask can have town points. I also have thought Vulgard is town but I am annoyed that he is stating things about my play that isnt true and that he could easily fact check.
So maybe I am dropping him down in the bad bois pile. Maybe not.
I have no read on Achro and Visor. Which is a concern.
Achro has posted a lot and has pushed me a lot. We seem to have the same poe? Idk, he is a difficult read for me
Visor's posts have given me nothing.
This is where I am at
i literally forgot about ender
And Wisdom, don't get me wrong here, but I have wolfed with you (even successfully iirc). Your WIM poppins are totally a thing you do as a wolf.
Correct ^^
I'm gonna laugh when you realize how hard you've confbiased your read on me though :P
I saw your post Wisdom about struggling to read Dya. So this is a good example.
In the last games I have played with Dya, I have pushed them. They were a wolf in one (a game here, last December) and town in the other games.
Whilst Dya as scum try to shut down scum reads on them, imo they also try to be cooperative. The post I am quoting here gives no pardon. "You have me, a villager, in your poe of 3" (therefore robyn's reads, according to dya, are bad). Like, I think as town Dya has an approach/perspective that does not allow them to be inside someone else's poe because "they are town". Idk if I am making myself understandable here.
This post is also an example of Dya not being cooperative.
Like. I am not a good Dya reader. Dya has stated that themselves in the last games we have played and I have misread them, but I think I have learned some tells at least
Hm...
mmmh yeah fair
robyn would probably do that
i've done it before
Reason I'm not voting Boq btw is because I have a strong feeling that wolves are just planning to get two townies punted back-to-back (Me and Boq) and that it doesn't matter which order, this is mostly based on how Me+Boq+Illario were wagoned d1, and today the only wagons have been me+Boq.
I have a vibe that wolves are in control and town can't process anything that happens until the townies they are tunneling dies.
Like, even in the best case scenario where me and Boq are w/w (which is not the case, sorry to spoil) there are another two wolves alive, and there's astonishingly little effort trying to find them. Instead me and Boq just get shamed and called wolf for literally whatever we do. Damned if we do etc.
I guess that's another reason I don't wanna vote Boq despite kinda wolf reading him, we're both in the same boat and wolves are the wind.
Boq is probably town here for town reading me without doubt in a situation where it's been "him or me" the entire day.
And for looking at other, better options rather than trying to get me yeeted over himself.
Screw my wolf read
Boq town, next
Syn am I correct assuming that you are town reading Ender?
we need to pick one wagon though to counter boq and i think it is wisdom today
Or just, you know
None
And let's yeet some wolves instead.
Wait there's 3 wolves?
I guess that makes sense
My brain goes brrrr though it's a 15er and we have good PR's
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:40
Reason I'm not voting Boq btw is because I have a strong feeling that wolves are just planning to get two townies punted back-to-back (Me and Boq) and that it doesn't matter which order, this is mostly based on how Me+Boq+Illario were wagoned d1, and today the only wagons have been me+Boq.
I have a vibe that wolves are in control and town can't process anything that happens until the townies they are tunneling dies.
Like, even in the best case scenario where me and Boq are w/w (which is not the case, sorry to spoil) there are another two wolves alive, and there's astonishingly little effort trying to find them. Instead me and Boq just get shamed and called wolf for literally whatever we do. Damned if we do etc.
I guess that's another reason I don't wanna vote Boq despite kinda wolf reading him, we're both in the same boat and wolves are the wind.
kill this with fire.
3 wolves are WAY less worrysome than 4.
4 wolves pretty much always implied I had a deep wolf in my town reads.
With 3 wolves I can say that [Vulgard, Lapras, Visor, Dya] contains them all, and either Boq is wrong about Dya or whoever said Vulgard/Lapras isn't w/w is wrong. It was way harder to have a PoE of 4 with a wolf team of... 4, lol.
... Which would make Visor the safest bet, to be fair.
The one thing I can be wrong about is if Ender+Syn are wolfing together but I'm not really there at the moment.
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:43
like there is no world where v!Wisdom who has a SR on Boq posts this. Because v!Wisdom who has this game state read ("wolves are in control and want two MLs back to back") doesn't have Boq as wolf as a result.
This is just w!Wisdom TMIing Boq villa. (but having to pretend a wolf read on Boq because u know, fake solving and stuff)
kill this with fire.
I forgot that you actually town read me for a while, what made you do that?
like there is no world where v!Wisdom who has a SR on Boq posts this. Because v!Wisdom who has this game state read ("wolves are in control and want two MLs back to back") doesn't have Boq as wolf as a result.
This is just w!Wisdom TMIing Boq villa. (but having to pretend a wolf read on Boq because u know, fake solving and stuff)
Did you even read my next post.
Vote: Vulgard
Out of the people who have led my wagon, Vulgard is the one who is just rehashing things and hiding behind the other two (Cape and Rask)
why is it a problem that i'm following the reasoning of my townreads that i consider solid
do i need to have an independent case on you to vote you?
reading vulgard's iso, i come away feeling he's being very opportunistic. he came in today asking why boq was even a wagon yesterday, but votes him later because "other people bring up good points". He does the same with wisdom. and while he didnt have me v yesterday, he put me in his poe of 3 with wisdom and boq
vote: vulgard
Boquise
i don't see why that's opportunistic
oh before anyone posts too much
vulgard -8
me -6
visor -4
(i think)
otherwise these +100
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010666974877073421/1088963499268513792/image.png
Haven't seen this in a while so here's a reminder ^
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1866
wisdom 4 raskolnikov syn nutella robyn
boquise 3 vulgard enderwiggin achro
vulgard 2 boquise dyachei
dyachei 1 visor
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:47
Did you even read my next post.
I did after I posted lmao.
Did you even read the OP :curtain:
(lol the derps)
I did after I posted lmao.
Did you even read the OP :curtain:
(lol the derps)
I did at some point and my brain decided there were 4 wolves, don't ask me why
Probably because I always think 15ers are 4 wolves outside of Champs as it would be too town sided otherwise
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 20:49
I did after I posted lmao.
Did you even read the OP :curtain:
(lol the derps)
Speaking of the number of wolves posts Wisdom.
Setup is open, posted in the OP lololol :p
(derp clear attempt denied fwiw)
wow 3 people in my poe are voting me
where have i seen this before
wow 3 people in my poe are voting me
where have i seen this before
yeah genuinely just kill in my wagon i think this is a wolf-motivated cw
Speaking of the number of wolves posts Wisdom.
Setup is open, posted in the OP lololol :p
(derp clear attempt denied fwiw)
I know, that's how I figured it out x) I went back and checked because I felt like people weren't looking for 4 wolves, seeing them stuck on 3 people teams all the time.
It all makes sense now
yeah genuinely just kill in my wagon i think this is a wolf-motivated cw
And when me and Boq both flip v, please kill Vul because this post is wolfy as heck :3
why is it a problem that i'm following the reasoning of my townreads that i consider solid
do i need to have an independent case on you to vote you?
It is a problem because it shows you have no original thought, and your summary of why I am a wolf is based on false grounds
And when me and Boq both flip v, please kill Vul because this post is wolfy as heck :3
nah you're not v/v
at worst you're v/w fmpov
It is a problem because it shows you have no original thought, and your summary of why I am a wolf is based on false grounds
my summary is based on two other people's cases
i did try to solve you for a significant portion of the day, i just landed on you probably being a wolf
if you're a villager then please vote wisdom
my summary is based on two other people's cases
i did try to solve you for a significant portion of the day, i just landed on you probably being a wolf
if you're a villager then please vote wisdom
He knows I'm town though so why would he.
And I'm town.
Are you pushing me because Robyn is actually wolf and she has spewed me v so if I don't die today I will never get yeeted?
I'm out for today.
Syn No hard feelings despite the omegatunnel, just care about my reads and thoughts when I'm dead at least <3
The more I play the more confident Vulgard is on my being wolf despite him being right at first. Just, you know, a thing to remember.
I have now concluded that playing on phone let's me see 4 words at a time and nothing else, when trying to make a post. No wonder I've felt disconnected until I got on pc.
Sorry, rant about playing on phone over ^^'
vote: wisdom
Full wolf team of lhf lmao
And boq i remember you sating you had sawdust or something in your eye.?.mm
I think vul mlre likely wolf than achro he seems to reallt believe his laughable theory
nebjiamn
03-26-2023, 21:24
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1885
wisdom 4 raskolnikov Syn nutella lapras
boquise 3 vulgard enderwiggin achro
vulgard 3 boquise dyachei wisdom
dyachei 1 visor
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
Syn am I correct assuming that you are town reading Ender?
yeah
Reason I'm not voting Boq btw is because I have a strong feeling that wolves are just planning to get two townies punted back-to-back (Me and Boq) and that it doesn't matter which order, this is mostly based on how Me+Boq+Illario were wagoned d1, and today the only wagons have been me+Boq.
I have a vibe that wolves are in control and town can't process anything that happens until the townies they are tunneling dies.
Like, even in the best case scenario where me and Boq are w/w (which is not the case, sorry to spoil) there are another two wolves alive, and there's astonishingly little effort trying to find them. Instead me and Boq just get shamed and called wolf for literally whatever we do. Damned if we do etc.
I guess that's another reason I don't wanna vote Boq despite kinda wolf reading him, we're both in the same boat and wolves are the wind.
there's a wolf slip in this post tbh
my summary is based on two other people's cases
i did try to solve you for a significant portion of the day, i just landed on you probably being a wolf
if you're a villager then please vote wisdom
Your summary is proven incorrect
Lmao no you didn't try to solve me, and you have incorrectly talked about my posts and gigantified my Rask read. Pretty sure you have talked more about it than I have
Wisdom is town
aw other people saw it first
there's a wolf slip in this post tbh
Can you point it out
vote: wisdom
Full wolf team of lhf lmao
And boq i remember you sating you had sawdust or something in your eye.?.mm
I think vul mlre likely wolf than achro he seems to reallt believe his laughable theory
So you think Vulgard and Wisdom are w/w? How?
Oh that's just how I feel when i am super tired. That i have sand in my eyes
there's a wolf slip in this post tbh
indeed
So you think Vulgard and Wisdom are w/w? How?
Oh that's just how I feel when i am super tired. That i have sand in my eyes
if you think wisdom's v and you're v then why aren't you trying harder to push me over
do you think i'm a wolf or not
if you think wisdom's v and you're v then why aren't you trying harder to push me over
do you think i'm a wolf or not
you say i'm lacking original thought or whatever but you've just been reiterating rask w wisdom v this entire day phase and even now you're not doing anything meaningful to save wisdom
vote: wisdom
Full wolf team of lhf lmao
And boq i remember you sating you had sawdust or something in your eye.?.mm
I think vul mlre likely wolf than achro he seems to reallt believe his laughable theory
laughable theory about what
laughable theory about what
also i am pretty sure this is a bus if wisdom w
with some shading of villagers on the side so he can go there tomorrow after wisdom's flip
So you think Vulgard and Wisdom are w/w? How?
Oh that's just how I feel when i am super tired. That i have sand in my eyes
Oh lol i felt bad for you smh
Maybe??? I dunno im not solving teams, weve got no wolves flipped so trying to solve teams is dumb af i rarely see it actually work
This group in particular is like an elite bunch so be paying attention to spew etc.
Just kjll the wolfiest
if you think wisdom's v and you're v then why aren't you trying harder to push me over
do you think i'm a wolf or not
I think I am being very loud and clear with it
also i am pretty sure this is a bus if wisdom w
with some shading of villagers on the side so he can go there tomorrow after wisdom's flip
Another one
laughable theory about what
He showed it to you (achro has the laughable theory not you)
I think I am being very loud and clear with it
no not really
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 21:55
Oh lol i felt bad for you smh
Maybe??? I dunno im not solving teams, weve got no wolves flipped so trying to solve teams is dumb af i rarely see it actually work
This group in particular is like an elite bunch so be paying attention to spew etc.
Just kjll the wolfiest
what's your read on Visor?
He showed it to you (achro has the laughable theory not you)
i said earlier that i read it but it didn't really move me
"really seems to believe his laughable theory" point where
That Wisdom is town, that is
I am pretty annoyed that you are not reading my posts. I think I have been super clear with everything regarding you and you're barely responding
no not really
Well at least you're showing more evidence that you're not reading me
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 21:56
Boq, see my post on top of the previous page for the thing Syn is talking about (his wolf slip post)
That Wisdom is town, that is
I am pretty annoyed that you are not reading my posts. I think I have been super clear with everything regarding you and you're barely responding
saying wisdom is town is different from actually saving wisdom
you're not playing this eod like you believe your read
regardless of wisdom's actual alignment i might add
I think I am being very loud and clear with it
You think vul wolf?
Raskols posts overnight are good
vote: wisdom
i said earlier that i read it but it didn't really move me
"really seems to believe his laughable theory" point where
As in he keeps bringing it up n asking ppl about the theory
So he believes it
As opposed to realising how much of a house of cards it is
what's your read on Visor?
Not towny but read no posts from him
Not towny but read no posts from him
Today that is
As in he keeps bringing it up n asking ppl about the theory
So he believes it
As opposed to realising how much of a house of cards it is
oh okay i get what you were saying now
ugh kinda had the thought when they rescinded
prob better to drop the whole topic but it does make me worry a little about their flip
just annoying tbh
dunno what you're getting at here, usually standard for them to be able to choose
I had thought this meant the host assigned the mafia kill to a random mafia player making it so that mafia cannot choose their own kills
but i don't know if that exactly makes sense lol
kill this with fire.
is it that she called the worst case w/w instead of v/w?
I had thought this meant the host assigned the mafia kill to a random mafia player making it so that mafia cannot choose their own kills
but i don't know if that exactly makes sense lol
i mean they can choose who they kill, but not who kills
Cape90: early tr on Visor was a meta tonal read. good for D1 but that's about it tbh
okay, visor is kinda in the middle for me
im not caught up to speed though
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 22:04
I had thought this meant the host assigned the mafia kill to a random mafia player making it so that mafia cannot choose their own kills
but i don't know if that exactly makes sense lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783620043531223040/914606706087055400/image0.gif
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 22:06
i mean they can choose who they kill, but not who kills
wrong, they choose who they kill, and who does it. so it's safe to assume the back up isn't carrying lmao
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 22:06
dya, I guess you have seen it but my second post from last page explains what I meant there
Raskolnikov
03-26-2023, 22:07
*p63
Boq, see my post on top of the previous page for the thing Syn is talking about (his wolf slip post)
Alrightie
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:08
Vote: Wisdom
Nevermind I was an idiot.
saying wisdom is town is different from actually saving wisdom
you're not playing this eod like you believe your read
regardless of wisdom's actual alignment i might add
Being the person behind Wisdom's cw I do believe I am saving Wisdom
dya, I guess you have seen it but my second post from last page explains what I meant there
ok yeah, i agree. but that doesnt really fit the definition of slip for me. i mean i think she's a wolf, i just think vulgard is too and they can be wolves together
with the pr result being rescinded, i have the following question for everyone (and i'm bolding it so that it's seen): are there any reasons you think wisdom might be town? this is an important question, so please answer it.
I have 2 reasons
1. Wisdom's townreads have been expressed clearer then Boq
2. The anti-consensus reading of Boq in which Wisdom says Boq is town (this implies vice versa though)
You think vul wolf?
I think Wisdom is town and I don't think Vulgard is talking to me from a genuine place.
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:09
The fact that Syn seems to be seen as an expert on me amuses me
kill this with fire.
I don't see it?
It is also that I want Syn to like.. express things themselves
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:10
Robyn never meta cased me sadge
I have 2 reasons
1. Wisdom's townreads have been expressed clearer then Boq
2. The anti-consensus reading of Boq in which Wisdom says Boq is town (this implies vice versa though)
Maybe i really need to make some sort of musical play with my reads because this is starting to get ridiculous
First of all, just gotta say that I'm quite tilted by Robyn. She's doing the same "I'm bored and restless" kind of schpiel I've seen her done multiple times, the fake MD claim is just a testament to that. At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if she flips wolf, because I have no idea how that was supposed to help town even from her PoV, but it doesn't really matter. However - If she's wolf then her going ham trying to get a town misyeeted (me) is the best thing she can do as wolf. I don't think she's done much else than just focusing me.
However, I find the tunnel itself to fit her town game. In that meta though it's worth noting that she always wolf reads me regardless of my alignment and her talk about my wolf meta is just made up nonsense that's been proven wrong time and time again and she doesn't care about self reflecting because she just wants to be loud and I'm a player that is easier to be loud about, I have a playstyle (especially on phone) that's easy to just call wolfy and no one can really argue with it (I'm looking at Boq, Vulgard and Cape who I believe found me for the right reasons and then all seems to have just given up due to peer pressure or something. I do believe there could be a wolf in there though.)
Question: If Robyn is trying to get a mislunch off of you with their play as mafia, what does that make Boquise?
I ask because Boq was the obvious counterwagon and Robyn had the thread pull to try to get it to you while soft defending Boquise
Maybe i really need to make some sort of musical play with my reads because this is starting to get ridiculous
Boq i don't have a problem with some that you have stated, but the way you manuvered around nutella still has me confused, but if you explained it recently... im getting there
It is also kinda hard to believe Vulgard when he says i am not doing anything to save Wisdom
Man has definitely not read any of my posts and I hope he is a wolf because if he is town that's super tilting
Boq i don't have a problem with some that you have stated, but the way you manuvered around nutella still has me confused, but if you explained it recently... im getting there
I don't understand how it was confusing?? The Dynamics between Syn and Nut interested me. I am aware that sort of conversation usually ends up being read as v/v and I tried to look at it from different angles, then came to a conclusion
Robyn never meta cased me sadge
1984
It is also kinda hard to believe Vulgard when he says i am not doing anything to save Wisdom
Man has definitely not read any of my posts and I hope he is a wolf because if he is town that's super tilting
i think you're willfully ignoring what i'm actually saying
Vote: Wisdom
Nevermind I was an idiot.
where's this coming from
Cape - I found him extremely towny d1 and he just threw out a lot of large posts with solvyness and high WIM and I feel like he's lost that a bit today. This reminded me of how he played in a Syndicate game where he fooled me. I don't have much else on him though, but I don't feel as confident on him being town anymore.
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2393
you might wanna check that syndicate game again, I did NOT have WIM in that wolf game of mine
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:18
where's this coming from
I read overnight posts and doubted my read on Wis being town
Starting to warm up to Wisdom though
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:18
1984
Wait this implies you did and I missed it, where?
Ender can be town for expressing those thoughts around the same time (bottom of 59). Albeit with me i have a lower confidence there
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:19
Starting to warm up to Wisdom though
But are you starting to warm up to Wisdom?
Starting to warm up to Wisdom though
warm up meaning not voting them?
Wait this implies you did and I missed it, where?
check post 1984
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1885
wisdom 4 raskolnikov Syn nutella lapras
boquise 3 vulgard enderwiggin achro
vulgard 3 boquise dyachei wisdom
dyachei 1 visor
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
broooo i don't have a vote lol
EnderWiggin
03-26-2023, 22:20
check post 1984
Ic ic ic
uh i think thats maj?
i voted, robyn voted, ender voted
Wisdom's post on me/Vulgard/Boquise is pretty bad though but i like everything else surrounding it. To be specific towards how i feel
It is also kinda hard to believe Vulgard when he says i am not doing anything to save Wisdom
Man has definitely not read any of my posts and I hope he is a wolf because if he is town that's super tilting
I think vul could be wolf too
My worry is im tieing myself to the wolf team v town team cuz i definitely feel more part of the you-wiz-visor-dya group who are poe n find myself sring some of the "town core "
Just way im seeing game
I am tired n going bed
i clearly misunderstood Wisdom's Boq stance but I swear when they just talked to each other today Wisdom said to Boq's face they think he's town
uh i think thats maj?
i voted, robyn voted, ender voted
i think that's maj too
wolf flip pls
nebjiamn
03-26-2023, 22:25
I believe majority vote has been reached
stop posting until i verify
MAJORITY HAS BEEN REACHED
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1872
wisdom 7 raskolnikov syn nutella robyn laprras visor enderwiggin
vulgard 3 boquise dyachei wisdom
boquise 2 vulgard achro
MAJ! PLEASE STOP POSTING
ONE MOMENT FOR REVEAL
Wisdom has been chopped! They were vanilla town
Robyn has succumbed to poison! They were vanilla town
Day 3 will begin at normal time: 7pm eastern on 3/27
Night actions are due by 6pm eastern on 3/27. Please send them to both benneh and I.
It is night. Do not post.
i think you're willfully ignoring what i'm actually saying
I am really not.
You have shown zero care about my responses to you. You have shown zero care about being disproven. Your read on me is automatic
I had thought this meant the host assigned the mafia kill to a random mafia player making it so that mafia cannot choose their own kills
but i don't know if that exactly makes sense lol
well im telling you you are wrong lol, ive always seen it that assigned still means they pick who does it
reading pieces of the thread, and i find it sort of unbelievable that all three of cape, rask and vulgard fail to understand my rask read and make huge mental jumps with it, when it is short and should be easy to understand. Maybe I am more terrible at expressing myself than I thought. So just to not have to waste time with it and have it twisted for the umpteenth time, here is a short summary + restating my own acknowledgements
I had a suspicion on nutella
nutella suspected me
nutella walked back her suspicion
Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it
I have seen that as a common wolf tactic
having absolutely nothing else to go on, i voted there.
That was D1.
On D2, I said I needed to go through my read and update it
With this, I am announcing that I think the read is weak and could be wrong
However, Rask twisted it and misrepped my play so I did not feel complied to pull down the effort to do so.
I also found that twisting to be wolfy due to my thread position.
Here are some acknowledgements:
i know the rask read is weak
i am not hyper valuing it, i could very well be wrong, but my care levels are very low.
I have a few town reads but no real scum read
I will not force a scum read just for the sake of having a scum read when I have no clue
Especially in a game where my posts are under a magnifying glass and where people inject their own leaps of conclusions to them and act as if those assumptions are facts.
The next person who complains about me not having a scum read is the person I will unironically death tunnel until post game, both here and in the graveyard tbh
alrightie, lets catch some woofs!
I will highlight the part that was missing for me
"I have seen that as a common wolf tactic"
Well, I wish you said so earlier.
You misunderstand me, I've read similar times today that people call me specifically A bad wolf. As in a general thing. And I find that, well, disrespectful as you put it. I didn't talk about you specifically, and I don't call anyone calling me wolf bad/disrespectful (I even get it, more or less), I'm just not a fan of getting trashed, understandably.
But you haven't answered my question - The reasons you wolf read me for - Why would I do that as wolf specifically?
I think I've been villa enough the last few hours, yes.
why are u self-aware about this?
nebjiamn
03-26-2023, 22:32
MOD ANNOUNCEMENT:
STFU IT IS NIGHT
Achro is town because no wolf has the amount of confidence he has in their OWN POSTS.
It's always town
Visor has been killed. They were TOWN JOAT
Majority is in effect. With 10 players remaining the magic number is 6. If you think maj has been reached, please let me and benneh know.
Night will fall in 48 hours at 7pm eastern on 3/29.
Alive (10/15):
Achro
Boquise
Cape90
dyachei
EnderWiggin
lapras
nutella
raskolnikov
Syn
Vulgard
IT IS DAY!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010666974877073421/1090049922373533787/image.png
vote: raskolnikov
idk i hate this game
anyone here to hate this game w/me
Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras
With visor/illario/ladd dead we are down to boq and lapras who weren't on a wagon eod1. We know illario was town from the main wagon. I feel like these votes should tell us something but not sure what atm. I am tired.
i think rask fits as a wolf with the wisdom push and the weird stuff around pr talk and the weird stuff around visor otherwise (by weird stuff i mean visor suspected him ig)
wht happened to having the whole day to talk?
Alright I'm busting out the pre-post
Robyn... bruh
Sigh okay, first off, sorry for over-talking there, I was not realtiming at all to the point of just not paying any attention. Listen, I wasn't expecting the lolhammer to just drop. Dropped at a bad time too I was thinking Wisdom was towny overall from my catch up, even with my questions.
Before I read everything I want to bring out the hot take monster in me
1. The team is Syn/Vulgard/Lapras (or Visor) for gamestate reasons.
2. Boq has been town this whole time and we have been skill issue-ing as a society.
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I like dya's comment about not vibing with the thread 1837 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845125&viewfull=1#post2053845125) a lil bit.
YOU STILL VOTED WISDOM AFTER 1860 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845148&viewfull=1#post2053845148) WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS? oduhvcoiwrdhvoijhidsjviojfslivjhlsijhvlisdjcklv jcxkljvlfihvlicxhlkvhlkjh
Nobody even mentioned it.
Wolf controlled thread.
im sad i didnt get here fast enough.
bruh the way Wisdom was back and forth on boq in same page was towny.
I like dya's 1845 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845133&viewfull=1#post2053845133) too on Vulgard
1849 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD/page62?p=2053845137#post2053845137) "we need to" okay nutella, don't make me push u agian.
1861 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845149&viewfull=1#post2053845149) Rask have you considered pushing people for wolfy things for once?
LOL how did people interpret that as a wolf slip? I get it, but also, think harder nerds.
We're doomed with most town being bad except dya somehow. Not like they are high efforting but banger post on Vulgard.
Rask/nutella would be a hilarious mafia world, I just wanna say. Like they win 1000 games out of 1000.
1866 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845154&viewfull=1#post2053845154) hi vulgard, so uh, you randed scum yes? You can stop pocketing me now and let Syn have a turn pocketing me. The classic wolf dynamic, always keep Cape on his toes. Anyways keep saying scummy stuff like this if you are mafia pleeeeeease, kthx in advance. Otherwise, I have a visceral negative reaction to this.
Vulgard is doing the wolfy defense thing in like page 64 so like... help me out here if you are villager Vulgard.
EnderWiggin WTF, you had it.
Well that's all I have to say about that, looks like my Vulgard bubbling suspicion is holding up from a glance at least but I will explore some things further. First Syn.
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Okay I misinterpreted Syn's treatment of his comments of my "latest posts" but I do think the comments still ring to me as strange.
I don't dislike the thought expressed in 1340 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844617&viewfull=1#post2053844617) weh.
The more im reading Syn, the more I just walk away thinking "it ain't Syn". Which is fortunately a good sign.
I could see the staleness of Syn's reads be of concern though I will say, with the constant nutella/wisdom w/w thing. Then day 2 Syn brought on Vulgard for like 2 posts he made.
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Speaking of Vulgard
1895 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845183&viewfull=1#post2053845183) was a fair point when it came to Boq's defense of Wisdom.
1204 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844481&viewfull=1#post2053844481) Alright Syn good job. This post is bad and also just wolf trying to awkwardly talk to 2 towns. I think.
That last EOD post looked pretty forced out. "Wolf flip plz". Also Vulgard's victim-posting is ew. 1775 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053845061&viewfull=1#post2053845061) sorry but only a wolf constructs a sentence like "i feel like your reads are just omgus wisdom"
Me remembering the RP read that Vul had on Achro and trying the urge even harder of not just thinking this is wolf. The weird achro push is weird.
I think Vulgard has paranoia that is wolfy. So much defensiveness even before the EOD shenanigans.
Posts before this haven't struck me as exactly bad but eh. It's like Vulgard's WIM just dropped a good bit. Especially when wanting to do stuff when it comes to Ender.
I tinfoil 1540 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844820&viewfull=1#post2053844820) as w/w with Visor.
1510 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844790&viewfull=1#post2053844790)? more like 1610 lol amirite.
1504 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844784&highlight=#post2053844784) something about this is whispering in my ear..... "hello my name is vulgard and I am wolf..." but this voice is quite faint and distant but believable all the same...
1219 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844496&viewfull=1#post2053844496) oh my gosh this is mafia.
A Vulgard/Visor pairing feels pretty on the nose but very obvious at the same time to me.
VOTE: Vulgard
I am also NGL, I thought Rask was JOAT
i could see syn/vulgard/rask idk
kinda dont think vulgard/lapras are w/w and i'm really feeling this rask read atm
not sure about syn
i could also see you cape with rask (and with vulgard) sooo
i could see syn/vulgard/rask idk
kinda dont think vulgard/lapras are w/w and i'm really feeling this rask read atm
not sure about syn
i dont think lapras/vulgard can be w/w with how thye've interacted and vulgard looks much worse
i don't think maf!nutella goes from liking every single rask post to voting Rask today
i could see syn/vulgard/rask idk
kinda dont think vulgard/lapras are w/w and i'm really feeling this rask read atm
not sure about syn
if you read me I doubled back a bit on the syn thing
and then visor also died which makes me more unsure of the team as of the current moment
yeah idk im kinda equally there on vulgard and rask could vote either
sliiightly taking back the cape shade he did some good work there but im waiting for him to see what i see on rask too
but yeah it's funny that wisdom literally townslipped right when ppl were calling another post made very close to that one a wolf slip
I just got the vibe that Rask was loud wrong town and I think Vulgard more fits typical wolf archetypes to me
idk what to do to be honest
this game feels fucked
but alive enough to vote: Vulgard
vote: cape
Top ten anime betrayals.
leaning town on Boq now :curtain:
(the fact I understand where he is coming from with his read on me and these last solving posts)
maybe I should be concerned with the flip from this to automatically assuming Wisdom was TMIing Boq as villager
idk what to do to be honest
this game feels fucked
nobody's consolidating on anything and most people aren't answering my questions
i don't feel like i have anyone to work with
my early townreads are dying left and right, they're almost all dead at this point
and i'll probably get wolfread for this post as well lmao
nobody's consolidating on anything and most people aren't answering my questions
i don't feel like i have anyone to work with
my early townreads are dying left and right, they're almost all dead at this point
and i'll probably get wolfread for this post as well lmao
True
let me organize my thoughts
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there is one thing that people consolidated on and that's the wisdom wagon at eod
the fact it had such a ton of votes and got hammered and flipped town tells me everything i need to know about this game
and that is simple: the gamestate is fucked and the wisdom wagon likely contains 2-3 wolves
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i think it makes the most sense to assume that wolves wanted wisdom to be the ml
wisdom was a wagon for the entire day
wisdom became a huge wagon at the end of the day
wisdom was only townread by like 1-2 people, most others just placed votes on their wagon and said w/e
i'm guilty of that myself but at least i didn't end there (not much better if boq is also v)
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the problem here is that the wisdom wagon is massive and always has plenty of villagers on it
i think i'll just review reasons to vote wisdom and vote the people who were the most passive in the effort
or whose cases sucked
boq's ardent defense of wisdom looks good to me in hindsight because of this so maybe the wagons really were v/v
in which case i wasn't helping but whatever we proceed
i think cape/nutella/achro/boq is my new towncore
that's my initial thought at least
vote: vulgard
sorry breaux
meh i might reconsider some of these depending on what i find later but gth these are the townreads i would give
maybe syn as well but i don't know why i still townread him which is likely a bad sign
i think cape/nutella/achro/boq is my new towncore
that's my initial thought at least
What
When did your read on me develop
What
When did your read on me develop
i explained my shift on you yesterday, you wrote a really good post at one point
i also recall your treatment of wisdom being ok
i'll still revisit it just like everyone's if i have time but yes
vote: vulgard
sorry breaux
man idk what i'm supposed to be posting to be townread for a change lol
i explained my shift on you yesterday, you wrote a really good post at one point
i also recall your treatment of wisdom being ok
i'll still revisit it just like everyone's if i have time but yes
It's day 3 and you towncore me off one really good post?
Man you must think I suck geesh
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