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Achro
03-23-2023, 23:09
chill game
15 paragraphs and a self vote

I mean PROBABLY town just based off the sheer audacity tbh

jokes aside though illario and I have basically no disagreements on the pure list so either town or wolves are already kind of boxed.

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:09
Dunno i claim drunk

Sunbae
03-23-2023, 23:09
Mod Note:

As we reach the end of day I'd like to remind everyone that we don't have any fancy automated vote tracker here. It's the wild west and if you want to ensure we see your vote then use the colon and bold it.

:book2:

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:09
trying to find out whether dya's push scummy or if they doing this charade which i associate with a couple other players when they are town (Michelle, Guillotina like specifically)

to be specific

latching onto a reason to vote someone that looks fairly NAI to me and then just rolling with that

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:09
trying to find out whether dya's push scummy or if they doing this charade which i associate with a couple other players when they are town (Michelle, Guillotina like specifically)

if i understand what you're talking about i think it's within dya's meta as either alignment

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:10
Ew. Bleh. See part of my wolfread on illario is purely because he's just seen me wolf and should know this is so far in my town meta that unless I was explicitly trying to leverage it against the people who know me in game (a reasonable argument I would've expected) instead I get this weird "Blade doesn't know how to shift gears as wolf" which is probably wrong (See G1 of Quals last year) but could be right given how rigid I felt as wolf last game in the game he's referenced.

But more importantly he's had a good record of townreading me correctly when we're v/v and this take feels wild when he's actually correctly read me off my tunnelledness.

i'm not getting the point of this post

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:10
: hi sunbae

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:11
Ew. Bleh. See part of my wolfread on illario is purely because he's just seen me wolf and should know this is so far in my town meta that unless I was explicitly trying to leverage it against the people who know me in game (a reasonable argument I would've expected) instead I get this weird "Blade doesn't know how to shift gears as wolf" which is probably wrong (See G1 of Quals last year) but could be right given how rigid I felt as wolf last game in the game he's referenced.

But more importantly he's had a good record of townreading me correctly when we're v/v and this take feels wild when he's actually correctly read me off my tunnelledness.

can you simplify this for me?

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:11
At the same time I am not confident in this wolfread anymore so nyeh.

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:11
i literally addressed illario's point though nut. I just didnt explain why the post pinged me initially. so it should have made sense to illario that I would change my vote to him. He literally pointed out that he said it not boq!

Tho this begs the question
so Dya scum read me initially for something Illario said
Illario pointed out the mistake and Dya changed the scum read to Illario

But why would scum!Illario point it out

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:11
people arent gonna like this and itll probably garner more votes on me, but now that ive read some of nutella and achros posts i realised this post isnt good at all:

Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard

so like, atm the only possible hit in there might be boq? i dont have enough strong feelings on boq yet to say confidently either way

which makes me kinda sideye dyas push on me even more cos i think they realised it wasnt a good solve and was using that to perhaps justify a push on me. I think what makes it most concerning is that there was a lack of attention to detail that is probably more wolfy than not. Like, i still havent gotten a proper answer as to why thinking wisdom/cape had decent solves was such a wolfy post, but if it truly was that wolfy id sorta expect dya to have not really mixed up who said the post to begin with...cos like usually when someone makes a scummy post i tend to look out at their other posts too to see if they just made one bad post or to see if they are scummy in general. I dont really feel like dya did that or put much thought into the process behind arriving at their vote. and yeah they can be busy irl so ive been cutting them some slack there, esp since i really like being town together with dya or else i probably would have been more inclined to vote there sooner but it is getting harder and harder to find if thats really the case here.


vote: dyachei

what in the world are you doing illario?

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:11
vote: lapras


this is a cop out :creep:

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:12
yes that vote came right after that whole spheal while still towncoring dyachei (though i suppose there is that sideeye)

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:12
what in the world are you doing illario?

that was a quote of wisdoms list

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:12
can you simplify this for me?

"This feels like a bad take on me but I'm not sure it's a wolfy bad take and I feel bad about this."

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:12
what in the world are you doing illario?

I think he wrote that list before thinking more and changing his mind.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:13
"This feels like a bad take on me but I'm not sure it's a wolfy bad take and I feel bad about this."

:inquisitive:

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:14
:inquisitive:

Problems officah?

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:14
i had hoped ender would have kept that momentum up from hteir vote on illario, they didn't but i think they here now

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:14
Btw.

I haven't shaded you all day. I don't know why you thought I did.

Not what I said. That's Wisdom smh. But you chatted with them about it after Boq voted me iirc.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:15
actually nvm

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:15
dya and I had the same issue with the same post from illario (regarding wis/cape solve) so I think dya is fine for now too.

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:15
i had hoped ender would have kept that momentum up from hteir vote on illario, they didn't but i think they here now

???

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:16
Not what I said. That's Wisdom smh. But you chatted with them about it after Boq voted me iirc.

Oh, yes I talked to both boq and wisdom about thinking you are town.

Boquise
03-23-2023, 23:16
Alright gang it feels like someone kicked sand in my eyes so i will sleep now godspeed and stuff

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:17
Alright gang it feels like someone kicked sand in my eyes so i will sleep now godspeed and stuff

leaving your vote on a vanity wagon you've been on most of the day?

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:18
VOTE: nutella

someone tell me to stop because im starting to dislike this slot

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 23:18
Mod Note:

As we reach the end of day I'd like to remind everyone that we don't have any fancy automated vote tracker here. It's the wild west and if you want to ensure we see your vote then use the colon and bold it.

:book2:
TL;DR
Your vote with a colon: :bow:
Your vote without a colon :404:

Me saying the same thing sunbae did just so I can post more Org emotes: :tredmil:

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:18
VOTE: nutella

someone tell me to stop because im starting to dislike this slot

stop

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:19
yeah Boq's process here is werid. Why am I even a wolf here Boq?

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:19
stop


Vote: Nutella

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:19
don’t vote nutella here, i’m 99% sure they’re town

they’re an easy read imo

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:20
I don't have enough experience with illario to know the back and forth on his tells that has been going on. What I will say though is I asked him about cape/wis earlier being the closest solve because I remembered Cape had a town read on me while Wis had a wolf read on me so those two solves didn't work together. This is compounded by the fact that illario had stated that Ender and I were two people he was trying to watch out for. His answer to me was that it wasn't anything specific which I think is the only possible truthful answer given one of his two people to watch was disagreed on between the two. But, the problem with that is in another post he said he liked Wisdom's list specifically because Ender and I were wolfy, so then why did he like Cape's solve so much?

Maybe he didn't. Maybe he just saw Cape getting town read a lot and thought it sounded like a natural way to curry favor with Cape and saying it in a way Illario might say it as town. Either way, Cape/illario never w/w imo based on this.

Also wisdom has pocketed me a little bit with the 'oh no' lol
it could have been jusrt a combination of both of our solves maybe???

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:21
i lie on my back on a gentle stream, the tree cover just enough to shade me from the sun, my eyes relaxed and my lips pulled back into a satisfied smile. i drift with the current, perfectly content as a warm breeze floats over me. we have w/w wagons, i tell myself. nothing can go wrong.

update: i am at sea, untethered from reality, nothing is guaranteed in this life or in the next, we are but pawns in the the chaotic cycle of eod. anyone could be any alignment, and truly everyone is every alignment in this endless samsara

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:22
it could have been jusrt a combination of both of our solves maybe???

Maybe, but illario's big post of doom is enough for me to give him more time to explain what was going on at least.

illario
03-23-2023, 23:22
Ew. Bleh. See part of my wolfread on illario is purely because he's just seen me wolf and should know this is so far in my town meta that unless I was explicitly trying to leverage it against the people who know me in game (a reasonable argument I would've expected) instead I get this weird "Blade doesn't know how to shift gears as wolf" which is probably wrong (See G1 of Quals last year) but could be right given how rigid I felt as wolf last game in the game he's referenced.

But more importantly he's had a good record of townreading me correctly when we're v/v and this take feels wild when he's actually correctly read me off my tunnelledness.

i dont think ur scum lol, i think ur >rand v but im merely pointing out theres some similarities to ur push on me here and ur push on ty that game. if i had to gth a take on you it would be a slight townlean

@boq i didnt accuse u of being a powerwolf, i accused dya of being one if you are town. but idk if ur town

illario
03-23-2023, 23:23
don’t vote nutella here, i’m 99% sure they’re town

they’re an easy read imo

sure

vote: robyn

dont think ill have any posts after this, so gl. respect my wisdom wish for atleast a day phase is all i ask and just pretend she doesnt exist in the game tomorrow

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:23
@boq i didnt accuse u of being a powerwolf, i accused dya of being one if you are town.

wait what


?????

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:23
ha yeah this is just terrible


i'm reading the wall now and it sucks so far

im either back to being bad at reading you

or you are openwolfing here

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:24
i’ll +1 illario’s non self vote here

i don’t see him wall posting and self voting as scum

but i don’t get why i should ever be turbod if wisdom town

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:24
im either back to being bad at reading you

or you are openwolfing here

its either the first one

or you are openwolfing here


:curtain:

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:24
what the fuck

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:25
wild west with votals is familiar to me tbh

I don't really see how anyone sees that big giant wall of self vote and goes 'nah dog let me quote the part about me this sucks lol gg'

Nutella pls

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:25
okay nutella now changed their mind off like 1 sentence from the wall

wowee

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 23:26
Votes as of Post #1041 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro




No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:27
Votes as of Post #1041 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro




No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

Voting Lapras is even worse.

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:27
???

i was skimming from a few pages back and you didn't really post too much after your vote on illario, but the posts you did make i liked and made me think you were town off that

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:27
wild west with votals is familiar to me tbh

I don't really see how anyone sees that big giant wall of self vote and goes 'nah dog let me quote the part about me this sucks lol gg'

Nutella pls

you can quite literally see the order of my reactions to it in sequence

1) i see that at postcap lift illario dumps a big wall ending in a self vote, i make a joke about it

2) i start reading it and theres a weird bit about me that doesnt follow from anything, i call it terrible

3) i continue reading it and see some value in his other reads

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:27
Im getting family ready for bed sup

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:28
Voting Lapras is even worse.

and why is that praytell

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:28
why can’t people read me at all anymore

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:28
you can quite literally see the order of my reactions to it in sequence

1) i see that at postcap lift illario dumps a big wall ending in a self vote, i make a joke about it

2) i start reading it and theres a weird bit about me that doesnt follow from anything, i call it terrible

3) i continue reading it and see some value in his other reads

yeah sorry I didnt realize you had unvoted somewhere

but see: voting lapras is even worse for details

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:28
Voting Lapras is even worse.

so im guessing your concerns with lapras are way less then other slots being voted?

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:29
and why is that praytell

Because I tr them based off their iso.

why do you think lapras is a hit

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:29
why can’t people read me at all anymore

it's probably because you are playing scummy as town right now and you wouldn't get the pushback you are getting if you were wolf

hot take moment

sponsored by me

you're welcome

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:30
so im guessing your concerns with lapras are way less then other slots being voted?

I have an active town read on lapras based on the breadth of their iso rather than little things. So yes, Lapras is a top TR for me.

iso check > one tell > small things > null

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:30
Because I tr them based off their iso.

why do you think lapras is a hit

why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:30
it's not even that scummy though but you feel townier in your scum games lol

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:30
and why is that praytell

Cuz hes town

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:31
why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

Vulgard never got an answer? from anyone? NOT A SINGLE SOUL, nutella???

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:31
speaking of vulgard where is he?

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:31
I have an active town read on lapras based on the breadth of their iso rather than little things. So yes, Lapras is a top TR for me.

iso check > one tell > small things > null

this is gibberish

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:31
speaking of vulgard where is he?

repopulating the earth

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:31
why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

I think there were lots of answers and discussion

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:31
Cuz hes town

yo Lapras sanity check

how u feel on nutella?

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:32
repopulating the earth

i feel like i haven't seen em in like forever

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:32
I think there were lots of answers and discussion

there literally was not

the closest was robyn saying that they tred you and not explaining why

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:32
why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

I still think just saying "why is he x" over and over isnt really a wau to facilitate discussion on someone (and most ppl know that?

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:33
there literally was not

the closest was robyn saying that they tred you and not explaining why

Achro + robyn both explained
Others explained srs/dropped them
Cape definitely spoke about me a bit

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:33
this is gibberish


Lapras iso whoo.

Claims they are a Lapras twice, filler, filler, calls robyn tring cape/visor a stretch (probably not w/w with either of those two), Lapras chooses to keep their secrets from illario, questions robyn about cape's range, gives robyn a town read based on that answer...

It's at this point Vulgard steps in to vote Lapras. Tells vulgard to just call it what it is, which is shade. Says Vul is town for multi tiered thinking but hedges with vul's wolfing skills. Likes Rask' manner of dealing with pressure. Tone reads Syn town. Says wiz could be wolfing. Comes along with Cape being town due to his analysis.


Lapras this is a very strange question to ask when you consider the fact that you said this:



To phrase this another way, "I don't see what I am doing is wolfy. How is it any different than my wolf read?" That feels like a really unintuitive thought to have from a town perspective. Think Boq could have some equity as a partner in Lapras worlds though since Lapras' bringing them up here feels especially random to me given they are one of the few people who Lapras hasn't given any reads on and then suddenly a Boq mention.

Lapras also didn't comment on me at all, smh.



I still don't get how you arrive to that specific question naturally, but I'll iso vul later to see how this suspicion fits within the flow of vul's posting about Lapras today.



I will say I liked your content until that interaction tbh. I was surprised how much you had managed to say. I don't like how you phrased it still but maybe that's me seeing a shadow thats not there.

But otoh I don't think he has done a big tunnel on you or anything. I just iso'd him and made a note but he has been poking around as well. Based on the fact that I think both of you are off base and kind of going at it I feel like you could both easily be town here. While you both have this and that I don't love ultimately you both have actually provided a decent array of content today and haven't actually been staring any one thing down tbh.

So if not for vul who else is catching your eye negatively? I will also accept possible vul scumbuddies of you insist on narrowing in on vul but I want to know where you are atm

so much gibberish tbh

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:34
I still think just saying "why is he x" over and over isnt really a wau to facilitate discussion on someone (and most ppl know that?

this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:34
yo Lapras sanity check

how u feel on nutella?

Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:34
i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling


tell me about that pal

amazing dip moment from the thread from visor

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:35
this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

I was a top wagon

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:35
so much gibberish tbh

oh i see you summarized his posts very cool

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:35
so much gibberish tbh

Look hes right n you are wrong so im with him

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:35
this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

why do you keep using the same read over and over

'wow no one talked about this person, so lets vote them'

'hey nutella someone talked about this person'

'anyway like I was saying no one talked about this person'

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:35
Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

i am in fact piggybacking on vulgard's read because i think it is good and he is my top town


i have found you town in games where you have done a lot more than you have done here

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:36
Look hes right n you are wrong so im with him

Oop i thought i was responding to nut.

Im with achro

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:36
i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling


tell me about that pal


not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

solid meta on me

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:36
oh i see you summarized his posts very cool

yes it isn't like the second post used that summation to form two reads based off two isos.

So smart. Much wow.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:36
why do you keep using the same read over and over

'wow no one talked about this person, so lets vote them'

'hey nutella someone talked about this person'

'anyway like I was saying no one talked about this person'

bc it's more nuanced than that

yes people talked about him but the wagon died off and then people focused elsewhere for the rest of the day

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:36
everything that wasn't the dya post wasn't supposed to be in there :curtain:

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:37
I don't know but if it was me, and I was trying to vote someone based off no one reading them or no one talking to vul about lapras, I'd probably make sure I read the thread closely enough to make sure that was true.

which you clearly didn't do

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:37
yes it isn't like the second post used that summation to form two reads based off two isos.

So smart. Much wow.

i must be missing something in between the two that got you to a townread on him

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:37
i am in fact piggybacking on vulgard's read because i think it is good and he is my top town


i have found you town in games where you have done a lot more than you have done here

Yah this is something i accept because of how you came to tr me in those games which gives me a clue in to how you solves me (solving lots with depth of thought) and I know thats not as much here

But ive explained why i am like i am this game

I still think vuls push is kinda basic in that its "this guys not posted lots of thoughts and thoughts arent deeply explained: but i have AND i think there are other players similar

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:38
bc it's more nuanced than that

yes people talked about him but the wagon died off and then people focused elsewhere for the rest of the day

I love nuance but you haven't really been giving much of any with these reads?

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:39
i must be missing something in between the two that got you to a townread on him

He responded to my question from post 1 that I think is a townie perspective on how people react when being suspected.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:39
I don't know but if it was me, and I was trying to vote someone based off no one reading them or no one talking to vul about lapras, I'd probably make sure I read the thread closely enough to make sure that was true.

which you clearly didn't do

i have read every post and i'm aware of that exchange you had with lapras but it was ages ago and we have spent the hours leading up to eod talking about illario and wisdom while lapras has not made a peep or been brought up again since

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:39
Yah this is something i accept because of how you came to tr me in those games which gives me a clue in to how you solves me (solving lots with depth of thought) and I know thats not as much here

But ive explained why i am like i am this game

I still think vuls push is kinda basic in that its "this guys not posted lots of thoughts and thoughts arent deeply explained: but i have AND i think there are other players similar

ok gimme ur reads then

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 23:40
Votes as of Post #1089 -- Day ends in 20 minutes
:00 votes good/:01 votes bad

Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro

No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:40
i wonder if vulgard were here if he'd still be down to build up the wagon with me but otherwise looks like it's not happening :shrug:

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:40
lapras' townread on robyn is towny


Solving like they do as town + really meta driven (as wolf i remember they were really logic driven and thats gow they wolf in turbos) + quite like antagonistic n out there which is generically towny. Lots of early hot takes too

Thats what i recall


:eyes: tho cuz i know you like it when your wolf for ppl to extrapolate on why they tr you....so if happys a wolf i can see a world where youve asked him to ask this q.

But this is obv just wild tinfoil based on theory you'd like to troll me and your probs just town

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:41
i have to take nutella being bad at explaining themselves into account here

others should too

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:41
i have read every post and i'm aware of that exchange you had with lapras but it was ages ago and we have spent the hours leading up to eod talking about illario and wisdom while lapras has not made a peep or been brought up again since

Well I can't argue with that, I was asleep for a vast majority of that particular stage of the thread, but the lapras stuff happened just this morning it isn't ancient history.

Also I feel like vul is clearly tunneled tbh. It isn't a matter of being right or being wrong, but I think the arguments he presented didn't add up to being true when I actually iso'd Lapras. He was saying Lapras hadn't done anything but Lapras, while brief, had plenty of reads to digest which doesn't mix with vul's view.

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:41
ok gimme ur reads then

Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:42
lapras' townread on robyn is towny

hmm sure

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:43
are we gonna just keep eliming illario or what then

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:43
other then that i will say that Lapras is certainly reasonable if not a bit underwhelming, even if I know they can be whelming as wolf so.

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:43
Like uncritically going 'vul is a town read I will vote with vul' is imo an abdication of anyone's duty to critically look at a case and evaluate it. Reading Vul's posts I think it is clear that his push on Lapras is misguided (or he is a wolf and my early read is god tier but shh)

EnderWiggin
03-23-2023, 23:43
Work is busier this morning than I wanted it to be lel.

I am not voting Wisdom because if illario IS town then they're probably right on Wisdom.

I am thinking other people to vote but will hold illario vote tbh.

(Also other reason I disliked illario thought on me was the weird "None of you read me right" where he straight admitted that my thought about his wolf meta was accurate.)

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:43
cape

me and ladd both tr nutella

please get off them

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:44
Like uncritically going 'vul is a town read I will vote with vul' is imo an abdication of anyone's duty to critically look at a case and evaluate it. Reading Vul's posts I think it is clear that his push on Lapras is misguided (or he is a wolf and my early read is god tier but shh)

this is not remotely what i did but ok

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:45
syn is too funny for me to consider today

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:45
this is not remotely what i did but ok

it sure feels like this is what you did. I read both lapras and vul's isos surrounding this, vul's case is just not it tbh.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:45
cape

me and ladd both tr nutella

please get off them

ive had my silly moments about cape he can have a silly moment about me as a treat, im not going over

but we should figure out who is

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:46
happy for you or sorry that happened

lmao

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:46
Ya lunching nutella is just silly

Sorry i am kind ahee but realy drunk so not gonna be super helpful

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:47
it sure feels like this is what you did. I read both lapras and vul's isos surrounding this, vul's case is just not it tbh.

it was a threadstate and vibe read on his confidence. that may not satisfy you but it felt good at the time

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:48
kinda feels like we either stay on illario or end up flashwagoning dya here if anyone

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:48
Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

uhhhhh

you arent in that list?

weird post

Achro just mentioned you maybe being a powerwolf and that was it

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:48
Genujey no cle who to lumch and not sober enuf to read illario wall

Ender prob v

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:48
it was a threadstate and vibe read on his confidence. that may not satisfy you but it felt good at the time

threadstate reads are hard to solidify when we had several inactives at that time tbh, any one of them being a wolf changes the dynamic of threadstate reads. And I love threadstate reads.

I don't know who I think is most likely to be wolf but I know I don't want my top tier town reads touched tbh

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:49
Idknt even think dya is super wlfy, just kinda not villagery?

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:49
ladd is the most sober player on

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:49
i guess i could see Rask being powerwolf but im pretty sure they have made similar "attack-y" posts as le petit

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:50
i guess i could see Rask being powerwolf but im pretty sure they have made similar "attack-y" posts as le petit

he was all attack-y with me too

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:50
uhhhhh

you arent in that list?

weird post

Achro just mentioned you maybe being a powerwolf and that was it

No, there was at minumum another post before that Cape.

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:50
Cape90

rask pop in about me is just straight confusing to me because if he read my thread presence at all I've discussed extensively why I liked our interaction so I just don't get it.

is that wolfy for him? does he get defensive?

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:50
syn is too funny for me to consider today

wisdom just woke up in a cold sweat

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:50
No, there was at minumum another post before that Cape.

please find it

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:51
V
Ladd
Cape
Vulgard
Nutella
Rask
Syn
Ender
Robyn

Just gonna yolo it a bit

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:51
he was all attack-y with me too

oh, sweet heart

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:51
cape

me and ladd both tr nutella

please get off them

who is your #1 pick

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:51
Idknt even think dya is super wlfy, just kinda not villagery?

yeah

i mean really the only contribution theyve made is voting illario for the cape/wis thing and being singly narrowly focused on it in a way that i think they can be as town but the fact they haven't done anything beyond it is concerning

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:52
Cape90

rask pop in about me is just straight confusing to me because if he read my thread presence at all I've discussed extensively why I liked our interaction so I just don't get it.

is that wolfy for him? does he get defensive?

when did u talk about this specifically? recently or?

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:53
Ah I was going go ask if he is the type of wolf to fake not knowing who I was. Earlier we had a conversation where he thought I was someone named Tim and I thought this likely made rask uninformed.
Boquise hi. Earlier you said I processed vul fast and I quoted you with a question mark. This was meant to signify I didn't know what you were talking about. While I have you here, earlier you townread cape for digesting my posts but upon reading your iso you have not given a single thought about me in either direction. Am I that uninteresting? What do you think of the game state so far? Are we likely to catch a wolf today?

Also unless people chime in specifically saying rask would think to act uninformed about my identity I think your vote is misplaced.


What I mean is I typically expect scum teams to discuss players among themselves and at least id everyone. I know some scum would exploit this line of thought to appear uninformed. I have no doubt that rask wouldn't know me otherwise.

there Achro.

That's 2 for you. And it's not exhaustive. Just spent 5 seconds on it

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:53
who is your #1 pick

illario man wanted boq

i think one in dya/boq is far better than eradicating illario

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:53
vote: Nutella

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:53
when did u talk about this specifically? recently or?

When we first interacted (... first day?) I called it out, and again I discussed it with wisdom this morning how I didnt think rask was wolfy after wisdom put rask in his wolfy pile.

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:53
I could cote boq probs

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:54
To be clear I think he is town, Wisdom. I am town reading rask for not knowing me.


Rask.

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:54
Visor is absolutely not towny

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:54
Dont vote nutella cmn wtf

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:54
rask/wisdom not aligned just because I don't think they both make that mistake about the same interaction.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:55
there Achro.

That's 2 for you. And it's not exhaustive. Just spent 5 seconds on it

i think you misread those, he was saying he *didn't* think you were a wolf for that

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:55
vote: Nutella

?????????? get off nutella before i go to my laptop and start town casing her

or shall we skip the foreplay

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:55
?????????? get off nutella before i go to my laptop and start town casing her

or shall we skip the foreplay

what happened to trusting my reads compadre

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:55
?????????? get off nutella before i go to my laptop and start town casing her

or shall we skip the foreplay

Towncase her

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:56
Ah I was going go ask if he is the type of wolf to fake not knowing who I was. Earlier we had a conversation where he thought I was someone named Tim and I thought this likely made rask uninformed.
Boquise hi. Earlier you said I processed vul fast and I quoted you with a question mark. This was meant to signify I didn't know what you were talking about. While I have you here, earlier you townread cape for digesting my posts but upon reading your iso you have not given a single thought about me in either direction. Am I that uninteresting? What do you think of the game state so far? Are we likely to catch a wolf today?

Also unless people chime in specifically saying rask would think to act uninformed about my identity I think your vote is misplaced.


i think you misread those, he was saying he *didn't* think you were a wolf for that

seems so lol. movin on

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:56
I should have stuck with the rp tbh, if people weren't going to be able to understand me at least I could have sounded cool.

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:56
Visor is absolutely not towny

hey we agree on something

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:56
Whats the vc

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:56
Come on folks, lettuce yeet Wisdom

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:56
we have three minutes lol its just gonna have to be illario

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:56
Lets just vite dya atp maybe? Idk

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:57
what happened to trusting my reads compadre

my reads >>>> your reads

i generally have ur worldview tho which is good

even though i don’t know exactly what it is, i just remember this is the most disagreeable monstrosity you’ve posted

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 23:57
Votes as of Post #1146 -- Day ends at :01 !!

:00 votes good/:01 votes bad

Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Nutella (3) Cape90 Achro Syn
Wisdom (2) Raskolnikov robyn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise


No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:57
vote: illario

Cape90
03-23-2023, 23:57
VOTE: Boquise

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:57
Lets just vite dya atp maybe? Idk

maybe

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:57
How is nutella secodn wagon lol

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:57
why dya ladd?

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:57
Vote: visor

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:57
VOTE: Boquise

outed tbh

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:58
Vote Boq

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:58
cape is dya's wolfmate i see

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:58
VOTE: Boquise

Raskolnikov
03-23-2023, 23:59
vote: Boquise :curtain:

Syn
03-23-2023, 23:59
vote: Illario

nebjiamn
03-23-2023, 23:59
Votes as of Post #1157 -- Day ends at :01 !!

:00 votes good/:01 votes bad

Illario (5) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella
Nutella (2) Achro Syn
Boquise (2) Cape90 robyn
Wisdom (1) Raskolnikov
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras

Lapras
03-23-2023, 23:59
Boq seems a bit dejected all in n i dunno if thats his wolf persona upon reflecfion

robyn
03-23-2023, 23:59
cape is dya's wolfmate i see

he’s just right and this can clear wisdom and boq not towny

nutella
03-23-2023, 23:59
i think i prefer dya > illario >boq but it seems too late now

visor would kinda be funny

Achro
03-23-2023, 23:59
VOTE: Boquise

I am eating fried chicken. It is delicious.

ladd
03-23-2023, 23:59
vote:boquise

Cape90
03-24-2023, 00:00
cape is dya's wolfmate i see

robyn im telling you this is wolf

Lapras
03-24-2023, 00:00
Boq seems a bit dejected all in n i dunno if thats his wolf persona upon reflecfion

Im gunna hold on to this tone read n nothing else

nutella
03-24-2023, 00:00
wtf is this boq wagon


why is this happening instead of dya


bad eod

nebjiamn
03-24-2023, 00:00
Votes as of Post #1168 -- Day ends at :01 !!

:00 votes good/:01 votes bad

Illario (5) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (5) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro ladd
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras

Syn
03-24-2023, 00:00
im gay

ladd
03-24-2023, 00:00
vote:dyachei

Vanity eheheh

nutella
03-24-2023, 00:01
cape/dya w/w unironically

nebjiamn
03-24-2023, 00:01
IT IS NIGHT!

STOP POSTING!

Lapras
03-24-2023, 00:01
Vote: dyachei

Raskolnikov
03-24-2023, 00:01
im gay

lol

robyn
03-24-2023, 00:02
gl fellow twinks

nebjiamn
03-24-2023, 00:02
Give me a moment while i validate the last few votes and double check.

nebjiamn
03-24-2023, 00:10
Final Vote Tally

Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras



Illario was chopped. They were vanilla town!



Night actions are due at 6PM EST tomorrow! Please CC both Sunbae and myself, either via PM or discord is fine.


It is night, no posting!

nebjiamn
03-24-2023, 23:41
In the night, robyn was poisoned and will die at EOD. Meanwhile, ladd was killed. He was vanilla town!




Alive (13/15):


Achro
Boq
Cape90
dyachei
EnderWiggin
lapras
nutella
raskolnikov
Robyn
Syn
Visor
Vulgard
Wisdom




Revealing thread early as I will be unable to reveal closer to deadline.

Please do not begin posting until 7:00PM EST (20 minutes from this post)

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:01
meh i wrote a bunch of rambly notes after eod but i actually have no firm conclusions and kind of feel like starting from a ~relatively clean slate today

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:01
like dya and boq probably need to be solved the most but idk

Visor
03-25-2023, 00:02
rip ladd

Vote: dyachei

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:03
sorry illario

also sorry for missing eod but i don't think i would've changed my vote there regardless

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:04
i guess this is where i find out if my tr on robyn was correct or not

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:05
i feel bad for not making the dya wagon happen

the boq wagon felt really bad to me at the time and staying on illario felt wrong but i waited too long to do anything else

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:05
like dya and boq probably need to be solved the most but idk

honestly what was that boq wagon? the way it built up seemed like everyone was hopping onto it for science and not because they actually believed boq was a wolf

achro especially stood out to me because he seemed like he was just cooking (in the slang sense) that entire eod

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:06
i understand why ladd hopped onto it (prior wolfread) but he's dead now so lol

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:06
vote: dyachei


if the boq voters turn out right i will take looking like a clown but i thought at least one or two of those votes was dirty



however, if boq is a wolf syn looks awful

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:07
honestly what was that boq wagon? the way it built up seemed like everyone was hopping onto it for science and not because they actually believed boq was a wolf

achro especially stood out to me because he seemed like he was just cooking (in the slang sense) that entire eod

yeah achro is def still in a rough place for me

along with ender, i think i said at one point that illario flipping v would make me scrutinize ender more

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:07
i think i'm still going with cape town

i'm even more convinced nutella's town now actually, i feel like i'm on the same page as she is and i thought her posts at eod were good

i think my reason to tr syn is still good
Visor what do you have to say about rask

Visor
03-25-2023, 00:07
gotta say i didn't super understand why illario was a wagon but w/e d1 gonna d1

inclined to trust his read there and think i cooled a little on wisdom anyway

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:07
vote: dyachei


if the boq voters turn out right i will take looking like a clown but i thought at least one or two of those votes was dirty



however, if boq is a wolf syn looks awful

explain the thing with syn please

Visor
03-25-2023, 00:08
i think i'm still going with cape town

i'm even more convinced nutella's town now actually, i feel like i'm on the same page as she is and i thought her posts at eod were good

i think my reason to tr syn is still good
Visor what do you have to say about rask

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ac/ac/bd/acacbd0098d95c9f35d5c8411a800729--magic--ball-the-magic.jpg

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:08
Vote: Achromatic

i see the takes on dyachei but i have another reason to do this as well that i'll explain later

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:09
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ac/ac/bd/acacbd0098d95c9f35d5c8411a800729--magic--ball-the-magic.jpg

wait seriously

you were saying you had concerns with him yesterday but now you have no thoughts?

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:10
i think i'm still going with cape town

i'm even more convinced nutella's town now actually, i feel like i'm on the same page as she is and i thought her posts at eod were good

i think my reason to tr syn is still good
Visor what do you have to say about rask

yeah my notes had a lot of hemming and hawing about cape, i really really really disliked his eod but i couldnt fully bring myself to wolfread him

like sometimes if someone manages to look really towny throughout the day and only looks rough at eod that's a tell, but i dont think im at that point with him when it comes down to it. def worth looking into later esp if dya flips w i think


explain the thing with syn please

last vote movement, basically would have been an open save

Visor
03-25-2023, 00:10
wait seriously

you were saying you had concerns with him yesterday but now you have no thoughts?

no i said ask again later

which means ask me again later, when i have time to assess his posts from today and yesterday

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:12
yeah my notes had a lot of hemming and hawing about cape, i really really really disliked his eod but i couldnt fully bring myself to wolfread him

like sometimes if someone manages to look really towny throughout the day and only looks rough at eod that's a tell, but i dont think im at that point with him when it comes down to it. def worth looking into later esp if dya flips w i think



last vote movement, basically would have been an open save

oh okay i see why

noted @ visor but i'd like to see these thoughts today

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:14
oh before anyone posts too much

vulgard -8
me -6
visor -4
(i think)

otherwise these +100

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010666974877073421/1088963499268513792/image.png

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:16
vote: Wisdom

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:21
team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:21
yay sunbae will get to post 100 votecounts

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:22
team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

okay i laughed

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:23
im going to town read ender for being relatable

whoever pointed that post out as wolfy yesterday is probably town because it is indeed a rough line

i'm trying to find who it was but the search thread feature isn't letting me do that right now


That is the first post I side-eye in this game

but knowing how Wis usually posts as town and how they can get scum read by phrasings like that, I am leaning to town read that


It isn't really TMI'ing since I am fence-sitting in that post. Get your terminology right smh

I've seen Wisdom get bodied in games before because they make posts that people normally read as scummy. Like that LAMIST post.

Which makes me side-eye it because the post itself resonates as scummy to me

But then I remember that Wisdom likes to do posts like that as town. So maybe town?

But then I remember that Wisdom also styles a bit as scum, so I become unsure.

But then I conclude that it is likelier that town!Wisdom has that genuine thought and post it than scum!Wisdom making a show of it.

It is regular pattern behaviour. Like how I know that you always death tunnel me regardless of your alignment, but that when you do it as scum it rings as shamelessly hollow tbh

This was btw proven by my "the doc" post. Out of all players, you were the one who reacted by shading me and then you began walking it back when I explained myself. Shameless as usual smh

i actually strongly agree with the sentiment presented here
my main issue with wisdom this game though is that they haven't provided a post yet that made me go "yeah this is definitely town" which consistently happens when i play with them and they're town
they just have this moment, this insight that they provide, this read that they give that will strongly resonate with me and i will immediately understand that our minds united
and that will make wisdom definitely town because a wolf would never be able to achieve this from their pov, they don't think the same as me, a villager

that hasn't happened here yet

didn't happen with illario either, but i should accept that i simply misread him again and i need to find a better approach to reading him in the future

and because it didn't happen with illario idk how much stock i should put into it when reading wisdom

but i do think i've found more success with this when reading wisdom so :shrug:

this is a very long-winded way of saying that wisdom is still basically null for me and i don't particularly like that fact

---

going back to boq, i don't actually think him pointing this out is towny for him because this is something he could just post from experience (and i did have the same experience which is why i agree)

he could post this regardless of wisdom's alignment really

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:25
literally told you why I'd be limited

I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.

I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you

also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:25
boq's later posts are much better than his rough start but i don't know what his reads are

Boquise

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:27
whoever pointed that post out as wolfy yesterday is probably town because it is indeed a rough line

i'm trying to find who it was but the search thread feature isn't letting me do that right now





i actually strongly agree with the sentiment presented here
my main issue with wisdom this game though is that they haven't provided a post yet that made me go "yeah this is definitely town" which consistently happens when i play with them and they're town
they just have this moment, this insight that they provide, this read that they give that will strongly resonate with me and i will immediately understand that our minds united
and that will make wisdom definitely town because a wolf would never be able to achieve this from their pov, they don't think the same as me, a villager

that hasn't happened here yet

didn't happen with illario either, but i should accept that i simply misread him again and i need to find a better approach to reading him in the future

and because it didn't happen with illario idk how much stock i should put into it when reading wisdom

but i do think i've found more success with this when reading wisdom so :shrug:

this is a very long-winded way of saying that wisdom is still basically null for me and i don't particularly like that fact

---

going back to boq, i don't actually think him pointing this out is towny for him because this is something he could just post from experience (and i did have the same experience which is why i agree)

he could post this regardless of wisdom's alignment really

horrible post m'lord

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:27
literally told you why I'd be limited

I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.

I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you

also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks

it's okay i'll shield you

this has never backfired on me in the past

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:27
how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:28
so we had v/v wagons yesterday. there were probably wolves off wagon

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:29
anyway in regard to boq i need to see his reads

his early posts are very rough

his later posts are better

but his stances on the game aren't very clear

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:29
oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:30
how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

i think it's like 99% at the least

please stop doing this

actually what are your current reads? is it literally just me/wisdom/nutella as the team and everyone else town? talk to me about the process that went into this

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:30
oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

i was going to ask you if you just determined boq was town

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:31
oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

mildly towny

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:32
in general i would like to discuss reads here because i think i've been much more uncooperative this game than i should

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:32
mildly towny

stop stealing thoughts from my brain

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:32
how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:35
it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands

the reality of the situation is that i'm not sure how to proceed with wisdom because the way i'm reading them is somewhat similar to the way i was reading illario but my read on illario was wrong

yet i have more instances of this read on wisdom working (for both alignments) than i did for this read on illario working so perhaps i should stick to it and in that case wisdom is a wolf

i'm simply unsure whether i should change my approach here or not

Achro
03-25-2023, 00:35
I grimace as I look at the corpse of ladd, torn to shreds in some unknown manner. This was the nature of the beast. An unusual kill, by my estimation. Ladd came off as a happy drunk as we discussed proceedings last night. I take out my notebook from my pocket and flip to my page on Ladd to see what can be gleaned from this.

The first note disgruntles me to admit, but it feels unlikely nutella is apart of any team that would gun down Ladd like this. While I pursued her like a common criminal ladd only expressed complete dismissal over the prospect of having her leave the game early. Ladd was the opposite of a threat to her, an ally in arms it would seem.

The death of Ladd couldn’t point more of a suspicion towards Dyachei if he had wrote her name in blood before being killed. He had been pretty clear in expressing a lack of trust in them on multiple occasions before passing away. Perhaps this is the closure of the case, then. A simple matter of who dunnit and the arrow is pointing at the person Ladd most suspected. Easy.

I think not.

No one here is that amateur, if they were we would have a murderer dead by now. No, this game won’t quite be that simplistic.

My thoughts are interrupted by the sound of Robyn violently vomiting in a trash can in the corner of the room. It would not have been my choice to end Robyn’s life today based on day one, but perhaps the person who did it knows something I do not.

I glance at my notebook a final time and see that ladd joined the crusade Boquise for a short amount of time before pursuing his favorite lead. It’s not nothing, at least.

I see people disperse in the thread into various different directions. Vulgard it appears has moved on from big water Pokemon hunting onto my person. Hmph. Let him run himself ragged chasing me if he wishes, perhaps it will do him some good to stretch his legs.

I have my sights set on a nobler goal. A simple principle, one that is not always in vogue among the elites of the detective world, but one I believe should be illuminating when all of the facts are considered.

You resolve the counter.

Vote: Boq

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:36
the reality of the situation is that i'm not sure how to proceed with wisdom because the way i'm reading them is somewhat similar to the way i was reading illario but my read on illario was wrong

yet i have more instances of this read on wisdom working (for both alignments) than i did for this read on illario working so perhaps i should stick to it and in that case wisdom is a wolf

i'm simply unsure whether i should change my approach here or not

it would just be really bad if i got two people mled off the same incorrect method of reading them, that's what it boils down to

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:37
and i don't want to ml wisdom because i like playing with wisdom

my gut feeling is that they're a wolf but the illario flip and the reasoning i used for that push make me wonder if i should reconsider

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:37
omg whoever poisoned me is terrible

Vulgard
03-25-2023, 00:38
achro what do you think about wisdom now that you're here

also uh

why are you roleplaying now

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:38
actually fucking horrendous jfc

Cape90
03-25-2023, 00:39
Didn't read overnight, but I do want to look back on stuff.

I noticed that when I was on the nutella wagon people kept flooding in to that wagon, when i swapped to Boquise, those people went right over to Boquise (and Robyn/Rask who was never on nutella but is being resolved today it looks like) with the exception of ladd/Syn.

Okay both wagons were more different then I thought but I have a point to make

Now in terms of Illario voters, who moved off Illario at all to join me?

The answer = NOBODY

I think it's fair to say mafia probably just wanted Illario dead. With that in mind dyachei/Vulgard/Wisdom were all MIA on the Illario wagon at EOD.

Out of those who were there nutella was supporting a dyachei/cape (hey look ma i made it) kill as well while also being on Illario in support of dya I guess.

EnderWiggin's perspective makes sense as town at least in terms of the last thing he said. 1100 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844374&viewfull=1#post2053844374).

Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

I think Achro is obvious town, Robyn I think is town but is just gonna self resolve here anyways, and I literally sheeped Robyn at EOD and stand by that actually being a very good EOD vote compared to nutella so your welcome if you are town nutella, but I am side-eyeing Rask maybe a little bit at EOD, at least the reactionary side of me is like the reactionary side of me was suspecting nutella.

I mean Rask was sure insistent on just killing Wisdom there and 1152 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844426&viewfull=1#post2053844426) alone with the "why dya" comment just makes me wanna yeet Rask into the sun but eh. Boq/Rask probably don't cross as mafia there?

I think Boq wagon has decent chance to be pure from where I retrospectively look.

The barely wagon that Robyn had is fine I guess, confirmed town and a uh... Visor was a wagon

ladd was only one on dyachei

I really really really don't trust Lapras if nutella is town


Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes


Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why

This readslist is posted right after that.

Lapras in general feels extremely sloppy to me so I could see it being them. Making Visor's town equity go up.

Oh and the people I thought were gonna die at night consisted of literally ladd or me and just the two of us.

So the NK doesn't surprise me in the slightest

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:41
Didn't read overnight, but I do want to look back on stuff.

I noticed that when I was on the nutella wagon people kept flooding in to that wagon, when i swapped to Boquise, those people went right over to Boquise (and Robyn/Rask who was never on nutella but is being resolved today it looks like) with the exception of ladd/Syn.

Okay both wagons were more different then I thought but I have a point to make

Now in terms of Illario voters, who moved off Illario at all to join me?

The answer = NOBODY

I think it's fair to say mafia probably just wanted Illario dead. With that in mind dyachei/Vulgard/Wisdom were all MIA on the Illario wagon at EOD.

Out of those who were there nutella was supporting a dyachei/cape (hey look ma i made it) kill as well while also being on Illario in support of dya I guess.

EnderWiggin's perspective makes sense as town at least in terms of the last thing he said. 1100 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844374&viewfull=1#post2053844374).

Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

I think Achro is obvious town, Robyn I think is town but is just gonna self resolve here anyways, and I literally sheeped Robyn at EOD and stand by that actually being a very good EOD vote compared to nutella so your welcome if you are town nutella, but I am side-eyeing Rask maybe a little bit at EOD, at least the reactionary side of me is like the reactionary side of me was suspecting nutella.

I mean Rask was sure insistent on just killing Wisdom there and 1152 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154796-Motion-Detect-15er-2-GAME-THREAD?p=2053844426&viewfull=1#post2053844426) alone with the "why dya" comment just makes me wanna yeet Rask into the sun but eh. Boq/Rask probably don't cross as mafia there?

I think Boq wagon has decent chance to be pure from where I retrospectively look.

The barely wagon that Robyn had is fine I guess, confirmed town and a uh... Visor was a wagon

ladd was only one on dyachei

I really really really don't trust Lapras if nutella is town





This readslist is posted right after that.

Lapras in general feels extremely sloppy to me so I could see it being them. Making Visor's town equity go up.

Oh and the people I thought were gonna die at night consisted of literally ladd or me and just the two of us.

So the NK doesn't surprise me in the slightest

I didnt get home until after deadline, sorry.

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:41
LADD GOT NIGHTKILLED AND I HAD THE SAME READS AS HIM WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER POISON ME, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I TRIED TO SAVE ILLARIO AND WAS TOWNSIDIDNG

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:43
the complete lack of understanding of gamestate is actually fucking fascinating, i was getting mafia factionaled this game

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:44
i'll be back later, all my townreads are correct via ladd nk, this is a basic deduction considering that LADD WAS THE NIGHTKILL

i should read ender meta

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:45
robyn i understand why youre mad at the poisoner's choice and need to get that out of your system but would you like to use the day to contribute to solving before you die

what do you think of {achro lapras wisdom} as a solve

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:47
in honor of illario i want to let wisdom develop and investigate ender more instead but lapras/achro are def slots i want to pressure today

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:47
You resolve the counter.


no

3 chairs

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:48
of course i'm gonna solve

dz is town

i think boq/wisdom/dya probably has 2

but as illario said WHO I TOWNREAD

we go boq first

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:48
nutella literally open wolfing in front of your eyes and nobody cares

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:49
of course i'm gonna solve

dz is town

i think boq/wisdom/dya probably has 2

but as illario said WHO I TOWNREAD

we go boq first

can you please convince me on dz

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:49
team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

this is disgusting

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:50
Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

is this a thing I said?

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:50
this is disgusting

and yet it is correct

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:50
why am I a wolf, robyn?

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:50
nutella literally open wolfing in front of your eyes and nobody cares

your reads are so backward dude it's hilarious

i think it prob makes you town but get gud

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:51
nutella and vulgard literally double-teaming the schrodinger's wisdom read

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:52
nutella and vulgard literally double-teaming the schrodinger's wisdom read

vulgard is the towniest town to ever town and if you don't see that atp i dont know how to help you

i was cleared by ladd and others who read me well

wisdom is a schrodingers slot just deal with it

Cape90
03-25-2023, 00:52
forgot to mention some boq thoughts in that wall thing, maybe for the better lol

uh

So I think I made the right choice in sheeping Robyn off of nutella onto Boq, he just is a better vote there.

In terms of the Weedle scumgame that he just played with me in a mash, Weedle very quickly found me out as town and then literally pedestaled me like day 1, and then town were calling out that Weedle was obvious scum like day 2 and I defended Weedle that whole time.

While Boq this game isn't particularly pedastaling me, he found me similarly quick for... literally just for the reason that I read and comprehended and responded to an Achro wall. While it did take effort I guess, it really isn't something out of my scumrange and isn't even an original read. Lapras made a similar read to that (that's 2 sketchy people) but Lapras' case for towncasing me off of that was significantly more substantiated.

Boq didn't talk about my tone

Boq didn't talk about... really anything else until called out upon from it to where Boq basically the second time around copied Lapras' homework and presented that.

I have only seen Boq as town exercise caution while townreading me while as mafia he just flips on a light switch to where he easily townreads me. Every. Single. Time.

I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.

VOTE: Boquise

I still like this for those reasons and am happy to hear counterarguments but I think I did a towny thing for ONCE in an EOD.

Well actually there was that Appa thing from my town anon Avatar game so make that a double whopper.

---

dyachei is also an okay option. I just would have felt bad flipping them the most if they were town and it would have been a very shrug yeet if I had voted dya there.

Syn
03-25-2023, 00:52
vulgard is the towniest town to ever town and if you don't see that atp i dont know how to help you

i was cleared by ladd and others who read me well

wisdom is a schrodingers slot just deal with it

who tf cares about ladd

you were cleared by nothing

Cape90
03-25-2023, 00:53
is this a thing I said?

you posted a video in specific

it was captioned

How rask makes his reads

it was a funny video but i thin that's what it meant

dyachei
03-25-2023, 00:53
forgot to mention some boq thoughts in that wall thing, maybe for the better lol

uh

So I think I made the right choice in sheeping Robyn off of nutella onto Boq, he just is a better vote there.

In terms of the Weedle scumgame that he just played with me in a mash, Weedle very quickly found me out as town and then literally pedestaled me like day 1, and then town were calling out that Weedle was obvious scum like day 2 and I defended Weedle that whole time.

While Boq this game isn't particularly pedastaling me, he found me similarly quick for... literally just for the reason that I read and comprehended and responded to an Achro wall. While it did take effort I guess, it really isn't something out of my scumrange and isn't even an original read. Lapras made a similar read to that (that's 2 sketchy people) but Lapras' case for towncasing me off of that was significantly more substantiated.

Boq didn't talk about my tone

Boq didn't talk about... really anything else until called out upon from it to where Boq basically the second time around copied Lapras' homework and presented that.

I have only seen Boq as town exercise caution while townreading me while as mafia he just flips on a light switch to where he easily townreads me. Every. Single. Time.

I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.

VOTE: Boquise

I still like this for those reasons and am happy to hear counterarguments but I think I did a towny thing for ONCE in an EOD.

Well actually there was that Appa thing from my town anon Avatar game so make that a double whopper.

---

dyachei is also an okay option. I just would have felt bad flipping them the most if they were town and it would have been a very shrug yeet if I had voted dya there.

i am town and literally the reason people dont think i am is because I havent been able to be as active this game. if you look at how I go after people as a wolf and as a villager, you would see that i dont go after illario like that as a wolf

nutella
03-25-2023, 00:53
vote: boquise

im being more convinced we should just resolve this first but every muscle in my body wants to vote lapras too

robyn
03-25-2023, 00:54
is there hammer?