Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[shlin28]

Wow, just read through all the posts I missed (which is a lot) - cannot wait to get the behind-the-scene scoop on everything. Sorry about being so inactive for the past month - RL is huge time-killer right now, my 'activity' ATPG pointed out during my lynch was probably me accidentally clicking my Gameroom bookmark :P

Kind of expected that the Commies would know about my 'disloyalty' and so had the cards stacked against me from the start, but still, it was a fun ride :)

[Ishmael]

Yes, I apologise for pretty much ignoring you all game shlin, but seeing as you showed up as disloyal and we had no Enforcer, there wasn't much we could do with you.

[seireikhaan]

Apologies. There's been a few requests for delays that are primarily a result of miscommunication between us and players. Round will be extended about fourteen hours.

New deadline:

[Backwards Logic]

Pizza, it was pretty much only me who wanted to kill you. Nobody else would go for it.

Uhhhhhh... Someone hasn't read the other QT yet...

[scottishranger]

Uhhhhhh... Someone hasn't read the other QT yet...
ya seriously....

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I'm back with internet access. Let me read through the rest of the thread that I've missed and wade through the PMs.

[Niklas]

On a side note, the post containing the lynch of scottishranger is missing from the info thread, that number one place to go to find the current timer and such... :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

New deadline:


3134

[Krill]

3134

This should be entertaining

[El Barto]

I have an INTEREST in the next update. When is it? :creep:

[GeneralHankerchief]

khaan's Tuesdays are really bad, probably not until tonight.

[seireikhaan]

Also, yeah, this is a fairly busy night, order wise. Will be a bit.

[El Barto]

khaan's Tuesdays are really bad, probably not until tonight.

Those people… I shall look forward to it, after a month of not checking the thread.


Also, yeah, this is a fairly busy night, order wise. Will be a bit.

A solution to this would be to stop people from sending orders.

[LazyMcCrow]

A solution to this would be to stop people from sending orders.

Outside the blood-rained steps of the conference center, nothing could be heard; but the distant moaning of the insufferable dead.

[seireikhaan]

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity. "
...The Second Coming
...William Butler Yeats


Night nineteen -- The Streets of Fatlington


For White eyes, the night went south pretty fast. The two folks standing before him had the gall to attack him literally on the same street corner that Mercy sat on. He shouted for help from someone, anyone. From the hospital? Random good Samaritan? Please? The two grinned as one readied a crossbow at chest level. White eyes tried to roll to his right, but the shot came too fast, and struck him in the chest. White eyes collapsed to the curb, gasping. One of the smirking killers pulled a green, white, and red fabric from inside their trench coat. They handed one end to the other, and laid the flag over him. Noticing their target was still clutching about a bit, the one with the crossbow stepped a boot down on his chest, and fired another bolt straight into his chest.


Bsmith enjoyed a beautiful view. Heights weren’t really a problem. And so it was that he found himself on the tallest building in Fatlington, a stately ten story office building for a number of financial services firms. He sat on the roof, enjoying a view of the stars on this cloudless night. He startled from his dreamlike state when the door to the roof opened up behind him, and two folks in tuxedoes stepped out. One was armed with a long, metal pole. The other had a conventional Baretta handgun. Bsmith panicked, reaching for his gun…

Until he realized he’d forgotten it. He held his hands up, in a sign of surrender. The person armed with the pole just grinned, and whacked Bsmith upside the head with the end of it. The second person fired off a single round into Bsmith’s head when he collapsed to the roof. They grinned to each other again, and began the arduous work of impaling Bsmith upont he metal pole. Finally finished, they propped the body up a bit higher, near the top. The gangster which had originally wielded it pulled out a wide rubber platform, and dropped it middle of the roof. The two attached a large Italian flag to the very top of the pole, just over Bsmith’s head, and then embedded the pole into the base. It was a good thing Bsmith enjoyed the view. He’d be watching it for a bit longer than he’d originally planned.


Autolycus finally came to a halt at the corner of an old factory. He’d been chased all over town for seemingly the whole night, but he was finally ready to collapse, out of breath. He put his hands on his knees. He could just hear the sound of the pursuing footsteps over his own breath. He finally turned around, hand held up just a bit, indicating he was done. The two raised their tommy guns, themselves out of breath as well. They gave themselves just a moment to catch it. Autolycus just closed his eyes, and waited for the end. He waited. And waited. But all he kept hearing was a clicking sound. He opened his eyes, and saw the two confused soldiers trying to figure out the cause of their gun malfunction. It was at that exact moment that Fatlington’s bus stopped by on its route. Not questioning his incredible luck, Auto jumped aboard and the driver paced away, leaving the two baffled gunmen behind.


Tiaexz’ trip home never took long. He lived just a few corners away from the center. But the trip from Mercy was a bit longer. Still, it was short enough for a walk. He stopped at a small bistro on his way back, hungry for a sandwich. He sat on the outdoor patio, sipping on an iced tea, calmly waiting for his BLT. Something was a bit off with the tea tonight, though. Seemed to be a bit drier than normal. He motioned over for the waiter. “Could I have a new tea , please? It’s not tasting normal tonight.” The waiter raised an eyebrow, as though the suggestion was impertinent.

“Of course, sir. Just a moment." The waiter returned just a moment later with a new drink. He set it down, and stood behind Tiaexz for a second or two. “Now, you ordered the BLT, right?” he asked. Tiaexs just nodded, rolling his eyes out of view. “Well, I’m afraid it’s going to be a bit late tonight. There’s been a small issue.” Tiaexs started to turn around when he felt a knife embed itself into his upper back. The waiter pulled the red knife out, and brought it down in an overhand swing, straight into the top of Tieaxz head. The few people at the bistro screamed, but the waiter had already hopped over the small iron fence separating the patio, and was off at a sprint, leaving behind a sight that would ruin the rest of the patron’s appetites for the night.

Chaotix was lurking outside the Hotel Abattoir. He was figuring it might be time to start knocking tgs off his bucket list. Still, just in the event that he survived…. Money was tight, what with not having had a job for a few weeks now. While he sat on the bench, mulling it over, a gentlemen in a trench coat sat down next to him. Chaotix gave him no thought. The man simply sat there, staring at the street in front, occasionally giving another glance back at Chaotix or checking his watch. Another gentlemen sat down on Chaotix’ other side. Now he a bit concerned. He looked to his right, then his left. “Excuse me, gentlemen, but I’m afraid I must leave.”

As he got up, the one on his left jumped up, pistol withdrawn from the coat. Chaotix jumped back in alarm, straight into the other’s clutches. He immediately tumbled to his right, trying to scramble his way out. The man with the pistol fired a shot, but missed to the left. The other man yelled at him over missing from four feet away. “You blind?! How’d you miss?! He was right there!”
“Whadda you yelling at me for?!” The other responded. “He’s getting away!” he screamed, pointing at the fleeing Chaotix. “Because I need to get him! I dunno who you’re supposed to be, bud, but that’s my kill!” The two stood in the street yelling at each other for a good ten minutes until they both finally noticed that Chaotix was, in fact, completely gone. The two merely stowed their weapons away, grumbling as they walked away.


Meanwhile, deep within the now vast Fatlington Cemetery, Neri knelt before a couple of graves. The number lost in their current struggles were truly staggering. Everyone’s innocence was shattered at this point, but it only meant that the deceased needed their prayers all the more. Despite her concentration, she could hear the soft steps of people behind her. She opened her eyes, stood up, and turned around. Two men in formal suits were standing about twenty feet away, one in crimson, the other black. “Praying for someone you might’ve killed?” A man asked her. “Or praying for your own forgiveness and redemption?”

Neri just shook her head. “I owe you no answers. You’re the one come here with foul intentions, if that automatic weapon you’re poorly concealing is any indication.” The man scowled.

“We’re the ones who’re going to save everyone from people like you! You can’t lecture us on morals!” the man in the crimson suit yelled back. With that, the two withdrew their tommy guns from their suits. The man in the crimson suit fired off a single burst, catching Neri in the left knee. She fell back down on the knee, bracing herself with her arm. He walked up closer. She started to try and get up again, but the man kicked the wounded knee and she fell back down again. He readied the weapon , aiming it at the back of her head. “KNEEL BEFORE THE KING OF HEARTS!” With that, he fired off a single burst, leaving one more body for the graveyard to hold.


Ironside’s home sat on the corner of a small residential district on the west side of Fatlington. It was a pristine monument to the new, modern era. A freshly painted white picket fence surrounded the neatly cut lawn. The building itself was also painted in a shining coat of white. Ironside always smiled to himself when he came home after each day at the convention center, when he could admire his accomplishment of providing such a foundation to his life. Tonight, he swung open the gate with a swing to his step. He had a good feeling about the night. When he turned around to lock the gate, he saw a pair of figures on the opposite street corner, rapidly approaching. Meanwhile, another person was approaching from his left, on the sidewalk. Raising an eyebrow, he turned back and stepped quickly back to his door. He swung it open and slammed it shut behind him. Without hesitation, he bolted down the lock. He stepped to the side slightly, and peered through the window.

The two men were standing at the sidewalk in front of his house, giving an odd stare at the third. Ironside assumed they weren’t allies. Hopefully they might turn on each other. The three stood for a moment, apparently arguing over something. But none were drawing weapons. Finally, the three seemed to settle the discussion, and the one solo man from down the street began to approach the door. He drew a pistol, and creeped cautiously.

BANG!

The man in front of the door immediately leapt to the right, following a loud gunshot from across the street. Someone was laying atop the house across the street, with a sniper rifle scoped in on the gentlemen in front of the house. Another gunshot rang out, targeting the lone man scampering across the lawns of the street. Ironside could have sworn it sounded like it was right on top of him… But Ironside could see the man successfully scampering down the street at a breakneck pace, screaming for his life. He whipped his head back to the other two. They were already breaking down the street in the other direction.

BANG!

Another shot rang out from seemingly on top of Ironside. The closest man to the house collapsed in a heap as his right knee was blown apart into a bloody mess. He moaned in agony as blood poured from the gaping wound in his right leg. Another shot rang out from above, but the other man weaved across the street, and it grazed above his head. But the sniper across the street wasn’t finished- he fired a shot, true and lethal, straight to the man’s chest, straight through the heart. The man flew across the street, momentum taking the flailing body headfirst into the curb. Ironside waited for what seemed like ages. Finally, one last shot was heard, and the man bemoaning his loss of leg became very quiet. Ironside waited just a bit longer, before venturing out. He crept slowly, carefully, before he could be for certain he was not next on the sniper menu. But once he made it to the gate, he relaxed. He jaunted over to the corpses in the street. About ten feet from each other lay the bodies of Jarema and Xehh II. Ironside smirked. “Insolence. That’s what you get, foul creatures. Goodbye. We won’t miss you.” With that, he strolled back to his house, an unnatural glee welling within him at their failure.


Xehh II startled awake. The pain was horrifying. His leg…. grar. He couldn’t see, but he felt down, and could touch the stub where his knee was supposed to be. His leg… it was gone. He started to panic. He began to feel around, and all he could touch was wood encased around him. Then it hit him. They’d declared him dead. The idiots! How?! Claustrophobia was starting to set in, when Xehh II finally just closed his eyes, and breathed deeply. That’s when he noticed he could hear, faintly, the sound of a violin playing. Up? Above him? He had to be close! <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px">

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He could get out. He had to get out. This wasn’t the end. He was a survivor. That’s what his martial arts instructor had finally, begrudgingly, admitted when he’d finished his training in the Orient. He wasn’t going to let this coffin keep him. He began to feel around, touching the wood atop him. He began to knock around softly, feeling for a structural weakness. Finally, he found something. The knock rang just a bit differently, a bit more hollow than it should have. Just atop his right hand.

Xehh breathed deeply once again. He readied his right hand into a fist. He punched as hard as he could, given the three inches of space he had available. His hand exploded in pain, but he could hear the faintest crack in the wood. Yes! Shrugging the pain off, he pulled back again, and punched again. And again. And again. And again. He lay there, determinedly punching the coffin’s roof, for nearly ten minutes when the pressure of the earth above finally bowed the coffin inwards. The dirt plowed down, and Xehh managed to scramble himself into an upwards position. He clawed upwards, scrambling for precious fresh air. He climbed, trying to haul his hear useless lower body up. Suddenly, his right hand could feel cool air, exploding up past the resistance the dirt provided. With a last, great effort, he hauled himself up, his head powering up over the dirt with a gasp. He hauled himself completely up, gasping, laying on the bare dirt in the graveyard. The music could be heard plain as day now. He flopped over on his back, and could see a man in a sharp suit, with a white shirt and black tie, standing just a few feet away, violin in hand. The man looked surprisingly calm for someone who just witness a person climbing out of their own grave.

“So, it seems you’re alive after all,” the man said. “Go home.” He pulled a golden luger from his coat pocket. Xehh II’s eyes widened.

“Wait, no, I can’t di-“ Xehh’s final words were cut off, as a shot rang through the night and struck through Xehh’s forehead. The man with the violin simply chortled to himself. He finished his piece, before leaving the graveyard for the night.


8:56AM, Thursday, 16 November 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey


"Okay everyone," Commissioner Fermanagh said, "It's now time to review the postmortem reports." He took a look at his drink, then decided against it for the time being. "Your lynch of Erebus netted us another dead townsperson. As for the night, Clitsome was a communist who was trying to uproot good, moral, capitalist values. It's about time an unsavory person took it instead of a good townsperson. On a related note, Fyremarble was a Mafia Donna, likely caught up as a loser in the gang wars. Similarly, it seems that Gibsons was a mafia luca, and that Winston Hughes was a made man for a family as well. Good work, families! Keep it up and the town may still have a chance!"

Fermanagh looked back to his drink and shrugged. Pausing for a second to take a long drink, he finally looked back to Askthepizzaguy. "Director, the floor is yours. Good luck, everyone. We might just have a chance afterall."

OOC

Apologies for the delay. Day twenty begins now. You are voting for lynch.
Phase ends:

Feedback PMs will be out in an hour or so. As per usual, let me know if there are any administrative issues.


Attacked = 65: Askthepizzaguy (n1, n2, n4, n5, n8), Raskolnikov (n1), Slash and earn (n1, n6), slysnake (n1, n3), Earthling (n1), a completely inoffensive name (n2), Master Necromanver (n2), Cahoma (n2), El Barto (n2), Montmorency (n2, n4), Chaotix (n2, n3, n11, n12, n19), taillesskangaru (n3), Secura (n3), Ameranth (n3), Craterus (n3), Cecil XIX (n3, n6), johnhughthom (n4), Ishmael (n4), Drunk Clown (n4, n5), Psychonaut (n5), Suburban Plankton (n4), Sasaki Kojiro (n4), scottishranger (n4, n10), edse (n5), Erebus (n5, n6, n15), Diana Abnoba (n6, n10), J.D. (n6), Zack (n6), Camikaze (n7), Hero di Classico (n7), Diamondeye (n7, n9), guiri (n8), Khazaar (n8, n9, n11), Riedquat (n8), robbiecon (n8), Scienter (n8 x2), sturmhauke (n8), Jarema (n9), Oh! TheLastDays! (n10, n17, n18), qlyphz (n10, n12), Psychonaut (n11), Crazed Rabbit (n12), Erebus (n12), BillMC (n12), Secura (n13), Beefy (n13), white eyes (n13), B_Ray (n14), Renata (n14, n15), Tiaexz (n14), Kennigit (n15), gibsons (n15), Believer (n16), Death is Yonder (n16), shlin28 (n16), Seon (n17), hero di classico (n18), autolycus (n19), Ironside (n19)

Wounded = 22: Slysnake (n1, n3), Lord Brennus (n3), Tratorix (n4), edse (n5), Erebus (n6), Psychonaut (n6), Choxorn (n7), dcmort93 (n7), Zack (n7), guiri (n8), Monk (n8), Sasaki (n9), Lewwyn (N11), Neri (N11), Scottishranger (n13, n18), Sturmhauke (n13), BillMC (n14), The Stranger (n14), Winston Hughes (n14), Renata (n18)

Killed = 75: Captain Black Adder [townie] (n1), Pharoah [townie] (n2), Moros [luca] (n2), ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK [townie] (n2), TinCow [detective] (n3), Xenoneb [townie] (n3), El Barto [detective] (n3), Arjos [FBI chief] (n3), Ameranth [wiseguy] (n4), Lord Winter [wiseguy] (n4), Suburban Plankton [detective] (n5), slysnake [townie] (n5), Lord Brennus [townie] (n5), Bow-wow-wow [townie] (n5), ByzantineKnight [townie] (n6), Kagemusha [serial killer] (n6), Tratorix [FBI] (n6), Raskolnikov [wiseguy] (n6), Nictel [wiseguy] (n6), J.D. [wiseguy] (n6), Visorslash [communist leader] (n7), Cecil XIX [townie] (n7), Drunk Clown [luca] (n7), Johnhughthom [wiseguy] (n7), Jolt [Made] (n7), Romanic [wiseguy] (n7), fubbleskag [doctor] (n8), Ibn-Khaldun [townie] (n8), Memnon [townie] (n8), robbiecon [townie] (n8), Andres [Special Agent] (n8), Camikaze [Made] (n8), Frozen in Ice [wiseguy] (n8), woad&fangs [townie] (n9), Zack [townie] (n9), Zim [Luca] (n9), Choxorn [townie] (n9), dcmort93 [townie] (n9), Diamondeye [wiseguy] (n10),
AggonyKing [townie] (n10), God Emperor [made] (n10), Skotsko [made] (n10), slash and earn [townie] (n10), thefluffyone93 [rogue detective] (n10), Craterus [townie] (n11), Peasant Phill [Don] (n11), Sasaki [Don] (n11), ULC [townie] (n11), Khazaar [townie] (n12), Johhog [Wiseguy] (n12), qlyphz [townie] (n12), Lewwyn [made] (n13), Monk [townie] (n13), Yaropolk [townie] (n13), Cahoma [Luca] (n14), guiri [townie] (n14), Psychonaut [detective] (n14), Scienter [Made] (n14), B_Ray [townie] (n16), gnarlycharlie [Don] (n16), Sigurd [communist recruit] (n16), Sprig [Made] (n16), Clitsome [communist] (n17), fyremarble [don] (n17), gibsonsg91921 [luca] (n17), Winston Hughes [made] (n17), Backwards Logic (n18), Believer (n18), GamezRule (n18), kennigit (n18), Secura (n18), Bsmith (n19), Jarema (n19), Neri (n19), Tiaxz (n19), White eyes (n19), Xehh II (n19)


Lynched = 19: Earthling [townie] (d2), a completely inoffensive name [townie] (d3), Subotan [wiseguy] (d3), Major Robert Dump [wiseguy] (d4), Ishmael [communist] (d5), Montmorency [wiseguy] (d6), landlubber [Made] (d8), Captain Blackadder [townie] (d9), Riedquat [townie] (d10), Edse [surgeon] (d11), Populus Romanus [surgeon] (d12), Crazed Rabbit [made] (d13), Sturmhauke (d15) [townie], The Stranger (d15) [rogue], BillMC [detective] (d16), Erebus (d17) [townie], shlin28 (d18), Scottishranger (d19)

Wogged = 5: bestrfcplayer (n6), cpdwane [townie] (n4), Master Necromanver [Don] (n4), taillesskangaru [townie] (n4), Silver Jan (d16)

Added: Autolycus (d4)

Active (18):

Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Beefy187, Chaotix, DaveShack, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Double A, hero di classico, Ironside, Krill, LazyMcCrow, Nightbringer, Niklas, O!TheLastDays!, Renata, Seon, SisterCoyote

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, there was one error in the writeup, which was removed. Will be fixed in a few minutes.

edit: and we're good.

[Montmorency]

The loss of 4 stalwarts in one night?

The game hasn't been this interesting in at least a month.

:pop2:

[Ishmael]

Love the Second Coming quote, very appropriate.

Also, hey! I resent the notion that Communists are unsavoury people!

EDIT: Incidentally, would somebody be able to provide a run-down of the alignments of the people that died overnight? It's so hard to keep track.

[Xehh II]

So ATPG weren't you supposed to stop me from dying? That's the only reason I ever followed you. You let me down. Not cool, not cool at all.

[Chaotix]

Surprised, Mr. Guy?

I was surprised when I heard you were going to have me killed last night. I was hurt that you were prepared to betray me so coldly. But it does make much more sense in my head this way. Men such as ourselves can never play for the same side; it has never worked before, and it will never work in the future.

I'm afraid your little charade as Director is over. The Resistance has begun. And we're going to start by taking away your little safety net.

Vote: DaveShack

[classical_hero]

vote:Chaotix
It seems you would rather have the town win and that is not cool.

[classical_hero]

For some reason Scottishranger is in the alive column, when he was lynched.

[Chaotix]

vote:Chaotix
It seems you would rather have the town win and that is not cool.

You know what's not cool, hero?

Your attempt to kill me last night. I want to win, and that wasn't going to happen if ATPG's pet attack dog succeeded in killing me before I could be accepted into the family.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix can be lynched today. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

After looking through the writeup carefully and doing a count, it looks like the grand majority of the scums remained loyal, that means that the extra kills came from:

1) Serial killer, obviously
2) Surgeon, obviously
3) Wiseguys, who are dead now.

Surgeons cannot do a direct attack, and they're not strictly enemy combatants because we can win with them, and, because they don't literally murder, they kill in defense. Serial killer on the other hand is a bit of an issue, but might have died last night.

Wiseguys are dead, and that was wise of us, because they definitely attacked us. Just count the kills, you can see everyone showing up where they needed to be except for the exact amount that attacked us. It's pretty simple.

So, I can say with good confidence that the Pentangeli remnant is down to 2-3 remaining only, while the Clemenza have the rest.

There are two paths forward today, seeing as we still have the vote, the director, and the lawyer:

We could lynch a surgeon, or we could lynch the Pentangeli.


My vote, is on the Pentangeli. Simple simple. If they lose even one more member, it could paralyze them; if they lose two they're pretty much done.

After that, Clemenza/remaining doctors win.



There aren't any alternatives really. I suggest we do that.

[Chaotix]

Wiseguys are dead, and that was wise of us, because they definitely attacked us. Just count the kills, you can see everyone showing up where they needed to be except for the exact amount that attacked us. It's pretty simple.


Wise how?

Had you not gone on your little string of betrayals, everyone would have still been on your side. It is because someone found out about your foul play that your family is in this situation now.

Had I not been tipped off, I would be dead right now. You told me I would be your partner in crime. You expect me to believe it was CR who betrayed you last time? I expect it was the other way around.

The attempt on autolycus' life? That wasn't us, and it wasn't a serial killer, and it wasn't Ironside either. Must have been your doing. BSmith? You killed him. The attempt on my life? Your consigliere classical hero did it. And I am not a Wise Guy, ATPG. I am a Made, and my orders were to switch my allegience to Clemenza last night until I was so kindly informed of what a foolish move that would be.

I didn't expect a move like this, because for once I hoped we could win on the same side. But I'm not going to be angry about it. I will simply enjoy trying my utmost to destroy the web of lies you have created.

This lynch is not going to be an easy vote for you. You have at most six loyal Clemenza to vote for you, and there are 17 living players capable of voting.

So let's let the games begin, shall we?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wise how?

Had you not gone on your little string of betrayals, everyone would have still been on your side. It is because someone found out about your foul play that your family is in this situation now.

Had I not been tipped off, I would be dead right now. You told me I would be your partner in crime. You expect me to believe it was CR who betrayed you last time? I expect it was the other way around.

The attempt on autolycus' life? That wasn't us, and it wasn't a serial killer, and it wasn't Ironside either. Must have been your doing. BSmith? You killed him. The attempt on my life? Your consigliere classical hero did it. And I am not a Wise Guy, ATPG. I am a Made, and my orders were to switch my allegience to Clemenza last night until I was so kindly informed of what a foolish move that would be.

I didn't expect a move like this, because for once I hoped we could win on the same side. But I'm not going to be angry about it. I will simply enjoy trying my utmost to destroy the web of lies you have created.

This lynch is not going to be an easy vote for you. You have at most six loyal Clemenza to vote for you, and there are 17 living players capable of voting.

So let's let the games begin, shall we?

I didn't order any hit on Autolycus either.

Obviously the Pentangeli were behind the unaffiliated attacks; the hits on them were absolutely correct.

You can also count up the hits, I didn't have the manpower to do the hit on Autolycus. What, precisely are you smoking there?

[LazyMcCrow]

(Beautiful sound clip Mr. Khaan - thankyou :bow:)

vote: Chaotix

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am a Made, and my orders were to switch my allegience to Clemenza last night until I was so kindly informed of what a foolish move that would be.

I didn't expect a move like this, because for once I hoped we could win on the same side.

No, this is the part I don't believe. I do not think that you had the time to do all that was done last night on the fly; that was planned out by you and you're just narrating the events your own way here. I think this was indeed your plan all along, you committed to it, you admitted you were Pentangeli, there's still a Don around sanctioning hits, therefore you never intended to join the Clemenza.

Once again, it's very easy to point fingers at Askthepizzaguy the Big Evil. That plays very well. The problem is you can't explain your behavior away like an innocent little lamb and have it be believed. You got exactly what was coming to you for your plans to stick with the Pentangeli, but you are desperate. Defeat the townies, the Clemenza win. Defeat the Clemenza, the townies win. You're just cornered with a bad plan, bad moves, red-handed, with no way out, and you're out of options except to pretend like you're just the most loyalest little mafioso who was ruthlessly betrayed. The evidence is pretty clear, you're not what you are claiming you are.

I can't even admit to a pang of guilt. In my view, given what transpired, your coup attempt crashed and burned and you've got the bloody fingerprints and call sign to prove you were there. Now you can't even continue the war.

Pride is why you can't surrender, and possibly greed; did you become a Don, master Chaotix? Because honestly, why would I expect anything less of you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oooo even more info comes my way. Oh Chaotix, this is why I enjoy you so much.

It's not just suspicion, my interpretation of events is now being corroborated by your would-be conspirators themselves. You know, the ones that said no?

This is getting repetitive; how many of your little insurrections am I going to sniff out and doom before their time in one game alone?

[Subotan]

Killed = ...Neri (n19)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A

[Krill]

vote: chaotix

[Niklas]

Oh Pizza... You are so endearingly short-sighted at times.

The stage is set. The dance begins. You know what to do.

vote: Askthepizzaguy

If music be the food of death, play on! Let us give this game the truly epic ending it deserves!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Pizza... You are so endearingly short-sighted at times.

The stage is set. The dance begins. You know what to do.

vote: Askthepizzaguy

If music be the food of death, play on! Let us give this game the truly epic ending it deserves!

I'm aware of Niklas' message to the Clemenza with a threat "Oh you'll lose unless you have our couple votes..."

:shrug:

It should be reworded "We'll lose unless you surrender to us".


Good attempt.

[Niklas]

Ah Pizza, I expect no less of you than to try to muddy the waters, and use emotional theatrics to obscure the logic of the situation. I have given the maths to everyone who care to see it.

Town - I offer you a very real chance at victory, not just for yourselves but for fallen Town comrades as well. There are still 8/18 who are town or neutral, close to a majority once the last Don - Pizza - has been killed.

Clemenza - I offer you too a very real chance at victory. But there is also a threat in it, sure - we all risk losing to Town. Some of us simply have nothing left to lose. Don't fret over fallen comrades - I mourn their losses just as I mourn those of my own, fallen by the wayside. You cannot give them a win no matter how much you try. Clemenza will not win, but you still can.

[Renata]

vote: Pizza

*smooches*

Thanks for the posts, Niklas, I'm stupid busy today. For the benefit of everyone else, though: WHAT HE SAID.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Pizza

*smooches*

So the Clemenza have declined to participate in your plan.

The counter-offer is very simple: Chaotix dies, and you can still grab a win with us, same way you proposed to them.

So the choice is literally yours, if you want to win or lose, and if as you state in the message, that the most important thing that happens now is that I die, but nothing else is added or removed from the equation, then a loss is in your future.

Kind of a shallow vision. Not a strong rallying point... which is kind of why it is failing and should fail.

Worse is how it is framed. When I formed the Clemenza I asked people if they wanted to join and there was no threat if they did not. The response was much more enthusiastic than this blackmailing... I got a unanimous "yes" response. So far, among the Clemenza, you're getting your unanimous "no" response.

Given the townies win either way in a divided ending, which is what you're guaranteeing, it's really not much to ask for the doctors to support a Chaotix lynch. In fact, under Niklas' plan of a united mafia family after I die, the doctors get zero new opportunities to snag protections. They have it in their interest to do more protections, so keeping the war going (which happens as long as I'm alive, it would seem) is precisely what they'd want.


You've essentially argued away every avenue of victory available to you, for the following reason: Losing with "dignity" as you've put it.

There's no dignity in a spiteful suicide, but as you wish. :bow:

[autolycus]

I think I'm going to stick with the side that didn't try to shoot me.
vote:chaotix

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think I'm going to stick with the side that didn't try to shoot me.
vote:chaotix

And there was always that, yeah.... :no:

[Montmorency]

Just a note to the Anti-Pizza guys: you probably want to coordinate your votes against one target, and Daveshack is a good one. Voting Pizza is, as per above, a pointlessly spiteful gesture.

Besides which, you can't hit the boss monster until you've exposed its weak spot.

[BSmith]

I think I'm going to stick with the side that didn't try to shoot me.
vote:chaotix


And there was always that, yeah.... :no:

The side I was attempting to stick with shot me.

I did everything you asked of me Pizza, including playing a central role in your attempt to become capo, and this is how you reward me? A bullet in the head?

Needless to say I am somewhat disappointed in your betrayal. Everyone still alive should take note here. Pizza will do only what is good for Pizza. Everyone else is expendable.

To me it’s obvious which way to vote today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Needless to say I am somewhat disappointed in your betrayal. Everyone still alive should take note here. Pizza will do only what is good for Pizza. Everyone else is expendable.

When everyone is your stated ally but the game is not yet over, what happens? Who did you think those sanctioned hits would be against, may I ask?

Did you think I would sanction those hits against my own Mades just so you could join up? Why? Because you were a "central" part of a Clemenza victory? When you actually hadn't done anything to recruit, train, or form such a family?

You know, I took so many folks to the end with me, hand in hand, doing everything I could do for the team to succeed. But it is not the Care Bears hour ad infinitum, where everyone lives happily ever after; in order for the team to win, more people had to join it, or more people had to die.

I chose both options. Had your kill been successful and you survived, you'd have proven yourself a Clemenza. Instead your kill failed and you died. You were not a central part of the Clemenza victory, you did not attempt to make it on your own, and when the time came for you to risk everything for the family, as others have done, you came up short.

In the mafia, if you can't get the job done, you don't have a job anymore, and you die. That's precisely the risk I take as any sort of leader, if I can't get the job done, I also die. We all took risks and needed to make things happen. You took few risks and didn't make anything happen.

[DaveShack]

Vote: chaotix

[BSmith]

What if my attack had succeeded and I was still shot, you know, in the SAME NIGHT?

You used me to help you attain your position of power by having me kill Don Corleone, yet you throw me to the wolves even as I continue doing your bidding.

The choice is clear on how to vote today folks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What if my attack had succeeded and I was still shot, you know, in the SAME NIGHT?

Then a lovely Clemenza funeral would be yours, and it would have been glorious.


You used me to help you attain your position of power by having me kill Don Corleone, yet you throw me to the wolves even as I continue doing your bidding.

Yes, you betrayed the very Don that you were using to become a Made Gangster, only to be betrayed by the next Don you served. Poetic justice.

GamezRule should be very happy you're dead now.



This is for all the starting Dons out there who unfortunately died at the hands of their own men. You were paid in kind for your disloyalty.


For you to be all upturned nose at my methods, the ones you yourself used, is astounding. This is Capo. Weird sort of moralizing, indeed.

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

So I've heard we can bypass the lawyer and take down the big guy himself. Works for me.

ATPG, you will have to wait until the game is over and you can believe the truth that I tell you: there was never any plan until the guy you told to kill me shot me a PM instead with a warning and an offer. I was all yours, and I would have died for your master plan. Glad I got tipped off, though.

autolycus, I'll say again that it was not us who attacked you. I'm sorry if you choose to believe ATPG over me, but we didn't have the manpower to do a hit on you, and we probably would have picked someone else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

autolycus, I'll say again that it was not us who attacked you. I'm sorry if you choose to believe ATPG over me, but we didn't have the manpower to do a hit on you, and we probably would have picked someone else.


I'm sorry for the death of Neri. Just as I am sure you are sorry for the deaths of multiple Corleone/Insurrection. Not everyone can come along to the very end, sadly. Yes, I admit being behind the attack on Autolycus as well. I'm truly glad that you survived though, since your survival gives us a great opportunity to all still win this game.

This was in Autolycus' inbox, sent by Niklas himself.

Do learn to coordinate better, that might have been why you never became Don before now. Get your lies in order, maybe decide on a plan of action.... basic stuff professionals handle beforehand.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BSmith- I'm not finished, surprise surprise.

You chose the path of a criminal. To become a Made gangster, you'd kill whoever you were asked to kill. You know those dead folks out there you're pandering to like a professional wrestler shouting out the name of the city you're in? Those folks you killed off in order to become the criminal scumbag you are today? Or rather the one you were yesterday? Yeah forgot about them didn't you. They wuv you very much.

You didn't have any moral compunction about stacking their bodies high up into the sky. You'd kill the innocent townies when I asked, you'd kill the guilty scums who were your rivals when I asked, and you killed your own family members when I asked. You're a cruel, ruthless, heartless gangster, with ambition to become powerful at the expense of everyone else. You chose to follow me because in this society of criminals, the scummiest of the scum, the lowest of the low, the cruelest, the most manipulative, and the most devious becomes the king of the world, the Don of Dons. And that is whom you freely chose to serve. You made a pact with the devil. You were fine with that pact. You understood the terms of that pact. You are part of a group that kills anyone to win. Except you hadn't made it yet, you hadn't done enough kills to be part of the group. Which meant that you were technically still a rival, in spite of your obvious desire to be a winning gangster, you weren't one yet.

You were part of a group willing to toss the innocent upon an open flame, kill rival scums, and even betray their own in the quest for greater power, and none of that was a problem for you. Your very existence was a problem for the Clemenza, because unlike the five doctors who could win with us in the minority, you were a murderous, backstabbing, criminal who had yet to swear an oath of allegiance or demonstrate that allegiance through sanction. Your being alive was denying us a victory and you were also a living threat.

I could have simply sanctioned the hit on you and been done with it..... but I also said try and do a hit for me. If you end up in the hospital or otherwise survive the hit, then the world would have been yours. Decisive win, one of the few left standing, in the game of games. Your final move being one that sealed the victory and risked your life.... then you could truly say you were central to our efforts and did indeed risk it all for the glory of the Family and for the sake of the Game.

Instead you find the pitchfork too pointy and the thermostat set too high, and don't care for the decor. Well there is a better place, a place which relies on selflessness and unity and generosity and caring and loving and saving lives and dying a hero's death, it's called the Town. It was what you abandoned to become a gangster. Littered along the way are the names and faces of those you destroyed living the high-stakes dream.

While you point and say that Pizzaguy has devil horns, be sure and wear that halo proudly.

[Death is yonder]

The side I was attempting to stick with shot me.

I did everything you asked of me Pizza, including playing a central role in your attempt to become capo, and this is how you reward me? A bullet in the head?

Needless to say I am somewhat disappointed in your betrayal. Everyone still alive should take note here. Pizza will do only what is good for Pizza. Everyone else is expendable.

To me it’s obvious which way to vote today.

I'll repeat it again because its so point blank obvious that nothing but politicians and pizzamen can warp it around.

Fact is, that only whoever pizza wants to try and bring along will come along. You may think you are a loyal henchman that's done his best but the fact is that pizza is getting on the escape helicopter and if there isn't enough room? Whoopsie you're going to get pushed off and left behind.

Even these doctors that he had a hand in making? Maybe it was partially other reasons as well, but hey, he knows that when it comes to the end game there is going to be a townie presence no matter what anyone wants to do about it, and that when it comes to turning on the other mafia, they would be crucial to his efforts. Why do you think he nurtured so many pocket doctors? Made them dependent on him? Made them feel they owed him something.

Lets face it, we've all been an investment. No matter how supposedly "lovingly nurtured" each of one has been, pizza will hold off until we can pay him out the most before he sells us off.


So ATPG weren't you supposed to stop me from dying? That's the only reason I ever followed you. You let me down. Not cool, not cool at all.

And besides, do you honestly want to finish Capo IV on such a low note!? Epic things end in epic ways.

For the lulz!

Vote: Pizza

Oh and doctors, you know why you are still alive? Because pizza needs your votes to win :shrug: that's the honest truth. He had to choose between us and the rogues, and found us more useful to his cause. Look at Secura, look at Ironside. He killed Secura, and he tried to kill Ironside last night if it hadn't luckily failed.

Today's big question is: Where do you stand on the pizza-o-meter? Ready to be sold out now or sold out later? :smoking:

So choose, are you going to go against your role pm, or stand against pizza and let it be known that you did not stand by while mafia happily walked to their assured victory.

[Renata]

So the Clemenza have declined to participate in your plan.

Have they?


The counter-offer is very simple: Chaotix dies, and you can still grab a win with us, same way you proposed to them.

So the choice is literally yours, if you want to win or lose, and if as you state in the message, that the most important thing that happens now is that I die, but nothing else is added or removed from the equation, then a loss is in your future.

A loss was already in my future. Declined, respectfully.


Kind of a shallow vision. Not a strong rallying point... which is kind of why it is failing and should fail.

Oh, I don't know, that image of Palpatine getting thrown in the pit has to be tempting to somebody.


Worse is how it is framed. When I formed the Clemenza I asked people if they wanted to join and there was no threat if they did not. The response was much more enthusiastic than this blackmailing... I got a unanimous "yes" response. So far, among the Clemenza, you're getting your unanimous "no" response.

The threat was implicit, Pizza, or should have been. Look at last night. Look at white_eyes! So loyal to you I didn't even dare approach him for participation in the hijinks, and he still didn't rate survival. Look at Chaotix.

You really could have just put six hits on TLD, you know. You didn't.

And the situation with the doctors -- do most of them even realize how many original wise-guys and mafia are still alive?


Given the townies win either way in a divided ending, which is what you're guaranteeing,

No, I'm not. This lynch may go through. In the event that it does, the mafia will in fact require near-unanimity from here on out. I have ideas for how to accomplish that.


it's really not much to ask for the doctors to support a Chaotix lynch. In fact, under Niklas' plan of a united mafia family after I die, the doctors get zero new opportunities to snag protections. They have it in their interest to do more protections, so keeping the war going (which happens as long as I'm alive, it would seem) is precisely what they'd want.

And yet you're trying to remove the opposition and end things today.


You've essentially argued away every avenue of victory available to you, for the following reason: Losing with "dignity" as you've put it.

There's no dignity in a spiteful suicide, but as you wish. :bow:

:bow:

[BSmith]

BSmith- I'm not finished, surprise surprise.


I see I have struck a nerve.

A couple of points:

1.) I was loyal to the Corleone family. I vetted your request to kill Gamez with other trusted members of the family before carrying out your orders. My actions were for the betterment of your goals and the goals of the family I was trying to join at the time. Unfortunately you betrayed them as well.
2.) I am not talking to the dead, nor am I really talking to you. I am talking to everyone still alive that has a voice.

[Chaotix]

This was in Autolycus' inbox, sent by Niklas himself.

Do learn to coordinate better, that might have been why you never became Don before now. Get your lies in order, maybe decide on a plan of action.... basic stuff professionals handle beforehand.

My mistake. I thought we were going after Xehh II, and since he died, I assumed we succeeded.

:shrug:

Pretty much no way I can get autolycus on my side anyway now, but I will say that if we thought someone might be willing to join us, we left them alone, generally.

Also, you keep ignoring the parts you can't respond to and capitalizing on what you can. Of course, it's what you always do, but I thought I'd point it out for posterity.

[SisterCoyote]

vote: Chaotix

[GeneralHankerchief]

Informal poll. How many of you are going to be out of commission for American Thanksgiving, and for how long will this be the case? I'm trying to determine how long to make the night phase in the face of the holiday.

[Chaotix]

vote: Chaotix

Ms. Doctor, you honestly think that voting for me will give you a better chance at winning this game?

You might stop being a pawn in ATPG's schemes and make a decision for yourself for once. Just a suggestion.


Informal poll. How many of you are going to be out of commission for American Thanksgiving, and for how long will this be the case? I'm trying to determine how long to make the night phase in the face of the holiday.

I should be ok. Busy, but able to play.

[Krill]

Informal poll. How many of you are going to be out of commission for American Thanksgiving, and for how long will this be the case? I'm trying to determine how long to make the night phase in the face of the holiday.

Not American.

[Seon]

Vote: Abstain.

For now.

[Renata]

The whole weekend is difficult for me.

[White_eyes:D]

I totally saw this betrayal coming.:rolleyes:

Now just the doctors/surgeons.:bow:

[SisterCoyote]

Ms. Doctor, you honestly think that voting for me will give you a better chance at winning this game?

You might stop being a pawn in ATPG's schemes and make a decision for yourself for once. Just a suggestion.

Suggestion noted.

Observation that although you know what's going on behind the scenes for the most part, you don't know what's going on in my head, offered in return. :)

Regarding the weekend:
American, and I'll be pretty much incommunicado from about noon tomorrow (Thursday) until late on Monday. There will be windows when I may have access to the net, but based on past Thanksgivings they'll be few and far between.

[Double A]

vote: Pizza I guess


Informal poll. How many of you are going to be out of commission for American Thanksgiving, and for how long will this be the case? I'm trying to determine how long to make the night phase in the face of the holiday.

I'll be offline most of tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And yet you're trying to remove the opposition and end things today.

Just Chaotix. Basically the way I see it, there's two paths.... Chaotix' group joins ours, or our group joins yours.

Anything else is silly. It's been discussed, we hold more votes than your group so we're the closest to being able to make it on our own. We also don't submit a battle we haven't lost.

Therefore, your choices are simple. Chaotix goes down, Clemenza asks for Niklas and Renata to be on side. They refuse, they lose... then the Clemenza face off against townies which they can't kill at night and go into the endgame with not quite enough votes.

Fair enough, that's close enough for dignity's sake, and I'd rather lose to a side which is still interested in winning than lose to a side whose primary objective is "I'm sad that Pizza won".

You have your dignity, we've got ours. If you had something you were fighting for besides that, and weren't blackmailing, I can guarantee you you'd have had more supporters.

People WANT to be part of plans which result in power shifts. But they don't like being threatened.

[Renata]

We're not threatening any Clemenza other than you -- we can't, Pizza, we both know that. Chaotix might be inartful but there's not really any blackmail here. Whatever choices are made today, the little insurrection has made its one and only strike. You did say you wanted worthy opponents. We wouldn't be that if we'd given up and given in, would we?

[Montmorency]

You didn't have any moral compunction about stacking their bodies high up into the sky. You'd kill the innocent townies when I asked, you'd kill the guilty scums who were your rivals when I asked, and you killed your own family members when I asked.

So how many did BSmith kill, then? 2? 3? Maybe 5?

You're responsible for more than 80 deaths.

Just pointing that out.

Very entertaining, though. Great cinematic experience! :thumbsup:

[Nightbringer]

Well, I think I should just come out and admit it.

I require prompt and polite pizza delivery, and my current pizza guy has always done that. Who knows what kind of a slob might replace him.

vote:chaotix, you sir will not deprive me of my favorite pizzaguy.

[Montmorency]

Pizza - 5 (Chaotix, DIY, Double A, Niklas, Renata)
Chaotix - 7 (Nightbringer, Coyote, Daveshack, Krill, CH, Autolycus, McCrow)
Abstain - 1 (Seon)
Not Voting - 5 ( Pizza, Diana, Ironside, TLD, Beefy)

[Niklas]

BSmith- I'm not finished, surprise surprise. ... You didn't have any moral compunction about stacking their bodies high up into the sky. You'd kill the innocent townies when I asked, you'd kill the guilty scums who were your rivals when I asked, and you killed your own family members when I asked.
In fact, in the defense of BSmith's honor, he did no such thing. He came to both me and Renata, worried about the foul deed you asked him to perform. We both separately assured him that, while we regretted the loss of Gamez, it was an inevitable move if we were to achieve a victory that, while requiring a few backstabbing measures, would give both us and your esteemed self the victory we coveted. BSmith was, if anything, above and beyond the standards that could be expected of a man.

Now, to address your criticism regarding my so called "blackmailing". I do not see where that comes from, truly, but if it has come across as such then I truly apologize. As Renata points out, we may have spunk, but in honesty this day is the last chance for us. Should you once again be able to make your followers look beyond the fact that you have seen them as mere tools to an end, and that it is only luck and happenstance that has made you hold on to them this far, as evident by the way in which you have thrown all other tools by the roadside, then we have played our cards. There is no threat in it, other than the fact very simple observation that, since we were not invited to the Clemenza family to begin with, and since you obviously harbor ill will towards many of us, we have no wish to degrade ourselves to accept a win as given to us out of the hand that tried to cast us aside. And the companion observation that, without our numbers added to yours, you simply do not have the manpower to outnumber the remaining Town even should we all stand idly by and let us be killed the coming night. If anything, you are trying to emotionally coerce us into sheepishly follow you once more, despite your previous treatment of us and our erstwhile allies.

Pardon my English - too much Wodehouse, I fear.

Now, to address the Stracchi and Cunnio directly: I have absolutely no intent to railroad you, in any way. I admit that I had underestimated Pizza's glibness yet again, and am quite dumbfounded that there still seems to be some question about the matter, but I realize the fault is entirely mine. Let me assure you this. Once Pizza is eviscerated, the Insurrection will lay down its arms, peacefully and irrevocably. We will not ask you to follow this or that leader, or join this or that family, but will let popular demand - your demand - determine who our Don shall be, and under what name. Personally I have expressed my liking to see a Donna as Capa di tutti capi, and have expressed as much to the fair lady Diana. But, should she and the rest of you be of a different mind, I will comply without a second mind to the matter. I will be content.

[edse]

Who is the man in the crimson suit?

[Montmorency]

Tom Rath.

[GamezRule]

Uhhhhhh... Someone hasn't read the other QT yet...

Ehh, screw it.

[edse]

Before the night:
Alive: (24)
Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Beefy187, Beskar, BSmith, Chaotix, DaveShack, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Double A, hero di classico, Ironside, Jarema, Krill, LazyMcCrow, Neri, Nightbringer, Niklas, O!TheLastDays!, Renata, Seon, SisterCoyote, White_eyes:D, Xehh II

___________________________________


Clemenza confirmed (10)
Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Beskar, Diana Abnoba, hero di classico, Jarema, Krill, LazyMcCrow, Neri, Xehh II
Clemenza unconfirmed (4)
BSmith, Chaotix [Made], Double A [Made], White_Eyes:D
Mafia-loyal (1)
DaveShack

Open invitation: (1)
Niklas [Made]

Unable to vote: (2)
Renata [Made]

Remainder: (7)
Beefy187, Death is yonder, Ironside [Rogue], Nightbringer, O!TheLastDays! [Communist], Seon, SisterCoyote.

after the night:
Clemenza confirmed (6)
Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Beskar, Diana Abnoba, hero di classico, Jarema, Krill, LazyMcCrow, Neri, Xehh II
Clemenza unconfirmed (0)
BSmith, White_Eyes:D
Mafia-loyal (1)
DaveShack

Mades: (4)
Renata [Made], Chaotix [Made], Double A [Made], Niklas [Made]

Remainder: (7)
Beefy187, Death is yonder, Ironside [Rogue], Nightbringer, O!TheLastDays! [Communist], Seon, SisterCoyote.

[Xehh II]

I'd still like to know why you had me killed ATPG. There's no way my death was accidental

[SisterCoyote]

Unvote; vote: Abstain

[Ishmael]

I'd still like to know why you had me killed ATPG. There's no way my death was accidental

I think Lazy McCrow admitted that he helped kill you, so you might want to ask him as well.

[Diana Abnoba]

I really admire your spunk Resistance, and must admit I am tempted, but I think (as I stated before) you are a little too late with this. I also understand your anger toward Pizza, killing off most of your Corleone family. I would be angry too if it went the other way and he killed off most of my Stracchi family. I do feel for you. :bow:

But, I also think you guys already have your Don (Chaotix) and you are all part of the Pentanglei family now. So this speech about us picking our own Don/Donna if/when we join you is a farce. I think Chaotix was always Pentanglei, never wanted to go Clemenza. And when we lynched Scottishranger he became the Don (being the only Made left). Then of course the rest of you joined with him because you were ticked off at Pizza. I must say I probably would have done the same.

Yes, I also must admit (as I stated before) it would be epic to take down Pizza, but really it should have been done phases ago. Maybe next time you will join me when I send you an invite to my family. I think that most of you guys on the org (and other forums) always think I'm Pizza's puppet. As Stranger stated earlier in this game, if you want to take down Pizza hit Diana, no maybe if you want to take down Pizza JOIN Diana. :laugh4:

BTW I understand everyone's feelings in wanting to take Pizza down, trust me many times I have felt it too, but why because he is good at this game and mafia in general. You guys have played enough with him to know not to fully trust him, he always has an angle, he is always 2 steps ahead, yeah it ticks me off too. But I hope to someday be as good. Pizza the real man is kind, but Pizza the forum player, you never turn your back on him. :yes:

I'm sorry but I'm loyal to my family, but especially my original family (the Stracchi) and with 3 of them killed last night, if we kill Pizza and create another family they loose, and I can't let that happen. If the Clemenza win they win also. And if I find out that you (Pizza) had anything to do with their deaths, well let's just say you will pay for that. Revenge is best served cold, as the saying goes.

I feel for you and understand, but I hope you can understand my decision now. I have no choice but to;

Vote: Chaotix

[Montmorency]

It's rests on the doctors, then.

[Krill]

I'd still like to know why you had me killed ATPG. There's no way my death was accidental

Actually, you dying was never intended, expected, or wanted, on the part of the Clemenza. However, the surgeon positioning wasn't accidental on the part of the Doctors.

[Renata]

Chaotix is not "our" Don, if he is one at all.

I think you probably advised incorrectly on this one, my trusty Consigliere-in-spirit. We should have 'fessed up immediately this morning. The lucky evasion of Autolycus from the hit on him by bsmith and Niklas mean that no trademark was given, but there could have been. bsmith couldn't have done that hit, otherwise.


I had this hammered out for me by the boys in the state Pen in the depths of my despair yesterday.

https://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz305/RenataRuns/Renatalicenseplate.gif

White_eyes had to be kindasorta tricked into it, in retrospect, though at the time I meant what I said to him.

[Renata]

I can't speak for Chaotix in any way, but Niklas didn't lie. Here's what I want(ed), purely from my perspective.

First and foremost, to regain a tiny measure of respect, self- and otherwise. Pizza wasn't just being nice before -- he played me and even more so some of the other Corleones but good in the end, but all of us played rather well along the way to that point. First and foremost in the area of recruiting. Of anyone who ever killed for or joined the Corleones, Pizza was responsible for only Kennigit, God Emperor, and Sasaki(!). Gibson picked up scotty(!) early on. The rest:
Winston Hughes
Raskolnikov
Frozen in Ice
Diamondeye
Backwards Logic
Niklas
Sprig(maybe?)
Sigurd (yeah he was a commie, so?)
White_eyes
bsmith

All of them recruited by me directly, or by my recruits. Niklas in particular I recruited while he was still a townie, and he was my spy with Pizza for days on end. Pizza never really suspected his true loyalties. And the last three wiseguys we stole right out from under Pizza's nose: they were intended for the Cuneo (wonder why they were so small so long? that's why), but Pizza's benign neglect gave us an opening to use our own Mades to help them get their final vig kills (again while still townies) and join the Corleone. Nobody else save Pizza recruited remotely like that, not even the Pentangeli.

TBC

[classical_hero]

I kind of feel left out by Niklas, since I did not receive a PM from him. http://209.85.12.231/2135/53/emo/nono.gif

You really think that doing this would cause you to win the game? Are you trying to do you very best to lose this game? This is madness and the fact you are trying this means you don't want to win, but to lose the game to the town. Basically you are betraying the mafia for your own personal gains and most should have seen through that, but they have not. Also Renata is certainly not a trustworthy person in this game so following her would be suicide.

BTW, the smilie selection here sucks, since most of them are useless.

[El Barto]

Yes, the smiley selection here sucks, but the license plates I make are awesome.

[Renata]

So asking for and getting to be the leader of the Corleone actually meant something. I was looking forward to today anticipating that the Clemenza would have it locked up seemingly and be wondering the game wasn't over yet. Then I could say why, and have a nice swan song lynch. That's it, that's as high as my ambition reached just then.

But then Pizza's night orders came out. And it became clear that in addition to some of the townies who had helped him being betrayed on the last mile, so were some of the mafia. So Niklas, Chaotix and I pulled out just about every stop last night that we could reasonably pull out in the space of 24 hours. It succeeded beyond our wildest expectations. But that still wouldn't help with today, or ongoing (if there was any ongoing). It wouldn't necessarily earn any of us a win.

For that we need the Clemenza. And I really wish this hadn't happened on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, because if I hadn't been tied up with family stuff all day today maybe I'd have been able to think all this through and make my case in a more compelling way. But this is what Niklas and I wanted, and what we thought we might be able to get.

Wanted: The Clemenza to ditch Pizza. To take charge of their own destinies.

Dreamed of: that they might choose that destiny to be with the Corleones.

Hoped: that they might decide to re-form themselves as Stracchi (or Cuneo hypothetically, but the Stracchi were always bigger). An original family and therefore one that I could also win with.

Thought might happen: that they would stay Clemenza under a new Don(na); or form an entirely new family.

I would not have tried to fight for the Corleone win. Either you'd have come along of your own free will (pipe dream, but I'm a dreamer); or, far more likely and what Niklas was pitching to Diana, you'd have gone your own way and I personally would serve as the sacrifice and failsafe -- solo tonight, but not intending to win. If it was decided/allowed that you would choose to be Stracchi, then maybe I would get some sort of victory myself; if instead you formed an entirely new family, at least Niklas would be able to join it and one Corleone would win, and it would be something he had earned instead of something handed to him as a consolation prize.

That's what I wanted.

[Renata]

I kind of feel left out by Niklas, since I did not receive a PM from him. http://209.85.12.231/2135/53/emo/nono.gif

Probably an oversight. He PMed everyone else.


You really think that doing this would cause you to win the game? Are you trying to do you very best to lose this game? This is madness and the fact you are trying this means you don't want to win, but to lose the game to the town.

No. I had plans for tonight that should have/would have meant a mafia win even if you all stayed loyal to yourselves. A solo Don who's not fighting against you can be an asset in more than one way. I think the post of mine after the one you made should explain what I hoped to get out of this.


Basically you are betraying the mafia for your own personal gains and most should have seen through that, but they have not. Also Renata is certainly not a trustworthy person in this game so following her would be suicide.

That's really kind of an odd statement to make. Even from Stracchi perspective.

[Earthling]

I don't know why TLD isn't around to say this when he should be, but it goes either way.

Remaining non-Don mafia can convert to communist. (unless there's something that makes you uncovertable in your own PM, but the communists can accept you on their part). You can achieve victory for yourself entirely on a winning side of your own choosing, ditch the Clemenza or any other mafia who have betrayed each other and you.

[SisterCoyote]

So, after careful consideration and chatter with folks who are neither ATPG nor Chaotix:

unvote; Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Je ne regrette rien.

[Seon]

Vote: ATPG

Do you remember out chat from before the game, ATPG? I took that to heart.

[Seon]

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

[Ishmael]

Just wondering, is there any indication that ATPG won't be saved by the lawyer if he gets nominated for the lynch?

[Nightbringer]

I am not going to let this insurrection win, it is clearly against a town victory, of whiich there is still hope with the clemenza.


quote of niklas

"The primary goal of the Insurrection is one alone - ATPG should not win. This we have already assured. Town will all vote with us, since as long as we refuse to ally with Clemenza and the Clemenza persist in supporting Pizza, Town wins. So voting Pizza means possible win for them, while voting anyone else means guaranteed loss.

The only question that remains is, can we of the Insurrection and the remaining Clemenza ally under a single banner once ATPG is dead? If we cannot, then Town wins and we all lose. We of the Insurrection would rather see such an outcome than seeing a Clemenza win under ATPG. But if the remaining 9 of us ally under one banner, we still outnumber the remaining Townies/neutrals.

So, I give you a simple choice. Win, or lose. Win with the Insurrection, under a leader of our own, or lose to Town. Clemenza will not win, that much is already assured.

Come on now, give us a truly epic ending to this game."

[Death is yonder]

That's not true.

1. ATPG has already shown every sign of being capable of betraying those who thought that they had served him well. The only reason WE are still unaffected is because he KNEW that there would be a town presence in the end game and any effort to turn against the other mafia would require their aid.

2. Town victory for yourself? Its a solo victory, its not a town victory, which is only going to happen if the mafia lose. Last time I checked, Clemenza is mafia. That's not fair for all the townies who gave their all this game, for them to be backstabbed by their own people when it came to the finish line.

If the status quo is continued so to speak, and Chaotix ends up lynch, its a guaranteed mafia victory with your life only available to you at pizza's whim. That's not a town victory Nightbringer.

Edit:

And by extension Nightbringer, if you say that the Insurrection is inherently against a town victory, role-wise, that is true, they are mafia, but so is ATPG.

Fact is that insurrection don't want Clemenza to win, we're swapping guaranteed loss to the mafia for a possible victory. If there is any hope, this is it.

[atheotes]

:pop2:

Gutted i missed this game... Anyways it is likely I would have been killed for non-cooperation or lynched early :laugh4:

Apologies for trolling :sweatdrop:

[Choxorn]

Pizza - 5 (Chaotix, DIY, Double A, Niklas, Renata)
Chaotix - 7 (Nightbringer, Coyote, Daveshack, Krill, CH, Autolycus, McCrow)
Abstain - 1 (Seon)
Not Voting - 5 ( Pizza, Diana, Ironside, TLD, Beefy)

Going from this tally, the current vote count is:

Pizza - 7 (Chaotix, DIY, Double A, Niklas, Renata, Seon, Coyote)
Chaotix - 7 (Nightbringer, Diana, Daveshack, Krill, CH, Autolycus, McCrow)
Not Voting - 4 (Pizza, Ironside, TLD, Beefy)

Pizza, obviously, is going to vote for Chaotix, and will vote to break any tie in his own favor.

[Death is yonder]

What are the rules concerning a tied lynch that a director is involved in? :thinking:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally confirmed at 7-7.

One hour to go.


What are the rules concerning a tied lynch that a director is involved in? :thinking:

No change from other tie votes.

[Ishmael]

Looks like Chaotix will be lynched then.

[sturmhauke]

I say you should all vote for Pizza just to wipe that smile off his face.

[Montmorency]

Wow, what happened with Ironside and TLD? Yeesh.

[Frozen In Ice]

Vote for Pizza for the sake of all your dead townie friends.:sick:

[Death is yonder]

Pizza can't vote, he's director.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It always seems to come down to the endgame, doesn't it?

[Double A]

:drama2:

[Ironside]

I had to consider this for a long time before deciding.

But hoisted on your own petard it is, sorry ATPG.

Vote: ATPG

[Double A]

Meh.

unvote, vote: Chaotix

[TheLastDays]

vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Death is yonder]

Meh.

unvote, vote: Chaotix

Et tu Double A? :stare:

[Double A]

No, I just wanted to see what he'd do in the event of a tie.

[Seon]

Kill Chaotix?

[Death is yonder]

If he refers to ATPG, then definitely he would choose Chaotix.

-Times up.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As it is an 8-8 tie, we are currently in limbo until the Director makes a decision.

[Double A]

If he refers to ATPG, then definitely he would choose Chaotix.

-Times up.

The write up would have been amazing.

[Ishmael]

I wonder what ATPG's decision will be...:rolleyes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I wonder what ATPG's decision will be...:rolleyes:

Nevertheless, the rules of procedure must be adhered to.

[Montmorency]

How silly that was.

[Chaotix]

No, I just wanted to see what he'd do in the event of a tie.

Wild card to the end, eh?

Well, it's a crying shame, but you've sealed both our fates. You did help me kill Neri, after all.

Whatever happens, I am satisfied. I don't think this resistance will end with me.

[Double A]

I don't even know WHAT I'm going to do tonight! :grin:

[sturmhauke]

I've given up on trying to comprehend this game, I just want to see the trainwreck at the end.

[Earthling]

Before the night:

after the night:

The serial killer is almost certainly still alive as well. He'll be one of the Autolycus/Nightbringer/some Clemenza Made crowd.

He couldn't have been Jarema, Xehh, or Tiaxez last night, being excluded by the writeups, and really was not likely to have been white_eyes or BSmith, so he's still alive.

I'd say pizza/someone else in the mafia may be purposefully trying to keep the serial killer alive for quite a while now except that should massively contradict their victory conditions so doesn't make too much sense.

If you keep helping the town you're great in our books though, whichever one of you is the SK - and also if you want an awesome theme song all you have to do is ask.

[Seon]

Finally I begin encountering people as crazy as me XD.

Go on, pizza, give this a good ending! You are destined to!

[White_eyes:D]

Could it be that Pizzaguy is going for a Capo first of last man standing victory as SK?:shocked: (It makes sense, why has the SK gone unnoticed and not dealt with by Pizzaguy till now?)

And yes, I did betray you just as you did me Pizzaguy...felt bad before, not so much now.:bounce:

[sturmhauke]

If Pizza is SK... wow, I don't even know. They should just call the game Pizza di Pizza Pizza.

[White_eyes:D]

It just fits...Pizzaguy had this game in the bag and now mysteriously this SK pops up?:inquisitive:

I know he wanted something different then before, but no one would even guess he would go for a one-in-140(?) chance, like a sole-survivor SK. I know Pizzaguy will say, "Your just crazy W_E" but if anyone would go for it, it would be him.:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey everyone.


I want you to know that I actually gave this one a good think.

First of all, if there wasn't another Don in the game, then I'd be willing to bury the hatchet with the former Corleone and Pentangeli and welcome them into my madhouse of a family.

I can choose to lynch one, the other, both, or neither. I don't necessarily have to kill Chaotix.

The problem here is that, I am actually willing to overlook this move today if the others would be willing to forgive me for mine. Thing is, I don't think they will, they've admitted so much, firmly, and unquestioningly, that they will not join.

For them, it is a settled matter; Askthepizzaguy must die, no peace, no victory.




That's a shame. I was going to leave Chaotix alone today because we needed your numbers to win, and I was still willing to gamble on your seeing the light and accepting a mafia win, pride aside. I have pride too, and accepting folks in who want me dead means I'd have to swallow my pride. I was willing.


Spite and pride and hurt feelings overwhelm the rational mind, and unfortunately, what is the correct move here, sparing Chaotix' life, is not viable. Not because I'm not willing, but because if I try to tame the wild Chaotix beast he will just bite me.

My inbox is open for the next hour in case anyone wants to try to change my mind. Otherwise, Chaotix is the choice, and reluctantly so, in spite of my bluster this round for theatrical purposes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Could it be that Pizzaguy is going for a Capo first of last man standing victory as SK?:shocked: (It makes sense, why has the SK gone unnoticed and not dealt with by Pizzaguy till now?)

And yes, I did betray you just as you did me Pizzaguy...felt bad before, not so much now.:bounce:


1) The FBI Psychonaut deep scanned me, got role penetration, found out I was a wiseguy.

2) If the Serial Killer was Director, they would die because in the rules, if you're forced to kill while Director that means death. Director for the SK is actually a death sentence.


I appreciate the paranoia though, and White_Eyes- It really was nothing personal. I like you a whole lot and I'm glad to see you chose to attack me as well. We're quite the pair. Last Capo we were the perfect duo, and this time, we both seemed to have designs on each other at the end.

No hard feelings, man. You got in your shot, so you went down swinging. :bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please send your orders to GeneralHankerchief ONLY. Do not send them to khaan.

"..."
...4'33"
...John Cage

9:56PM, Thursday, 16 November 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey

The Director Askthepizzaguy had been away for most of the day, attending the funerals of many fallen Fatlings, and making important telephone calls. When he arrived at the Convention Center, he was surprised to see that his goons were locked outside the building, engaged in a shooting match with whoever was still inside.

The Committee was in open rebellion, that much was clear. The stalemate was obvious, the building provided the kind of solid protection required to turn back even machine gun fire, and the Committee was not without heavy weaponry of their own. Weaponry that the Director had allowed to be sold openly on the streets during his time in office. Now it was all backfiring. After everything that had transpired, another war is not what the Director had in mind. "You'll never take us alive, Askthepizzaguy!" shouted Chaotix defiantly from within the Convention Center. "To the last I grapple with Pizza; from hell's heart I stab at Pizza; for hate's sake I spit out my last bite and demand my money back! No tip!"

The Director opened the trunk of his limousine and lifted up a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, aiming it directly at the convention center doors.

"I was wondering if I was ever going to get a chance to use this baby... open sesame." The Director fired the weapon and the aim was true. The very street shook as the powerful explosion rocked the foundation of the building, and annihilated the barrier protecting those within. He then grabbed a few other items from the trunk.

The dust hadn't even settled yet when the gunfire continued. People scattered from the front of the building to avoid the heavy weapons fire, as the mob of gangsters in dark red suits approached. They were able to reach the building safely and hid behind the destroyed outer wall. The people inside retaliated with Molotov cocktails, sniper fire, and hand grenades, as well as handguns and automatic weaponry.

The standoff continued, neither side able to make any progress. Finally, one of the Director's goons shouted out "Nuts to this, I'm out of here!" giving the Committee the advantage. Even as the gangsters boldly advanced, they were shot at and forced to take cover inside the building, where they were singled out one by one and held at gunpoint.

"It's over, Pizza lord! Your reign of terror is at an end. Show yourself, and accept the long-awaited justice you so richly deserve!" roared Chaotix as he held the final goon at gunpoint personally.

The glass ceiling of the Convention Center shattered, and Askthepizzaguy came in through the opening, strapped to a bungee cord, wielding his trademark Thompson, protected by a bulletproof vest. He was firing the weapon as he descended, causing the Committee members to take cover and lose their hostages. Pizza landed on the Convention Center floor right behind Chaotix, where he released the bungee cord and held the deadly weapon against the back of the rebel leader. In the confusion and carnage, some of the gangsters had turned the tables on their captors, and held a few of them at gunpoint, but not all. It was a standoff. "You can't win, Pizza man. The war is over. You're hopelessly outnumbered." said Chaotix cooly. Niklas and Renata, and several others, shouted their agreement.

"I do not understand how you could have made such a basic counting error." the Director replied. In a moment, Nightbringer and Double A switched sides and now aimed at their former allies. The tension in the room was thick. For several long minutes, the Committee and the Goon Squad held their fingers on the triggers. Chaotix was the first to break the silence.

"It's the end, Pizza. We won't surrender and everyone in this room is going to die. You have 30 seconds to tell your men to drop their weapons, or we open fire." Chaotix sounded very confident. He hadn't come this far to surrender now... it was victory or death. The Director cleared his throat, and spoke.

"What are you waiting for? These men have killed for me, bled for me, and are willing to die for me. And I would remind you that these men would do anything to stay out of jail, or be executed. If it is their fate to die with a gun in their hand, that's the life they chose. There is no turning back. Shoot them."

....

Some of the Goons looked a bit uneasy, but they held their ground. What was Pizzaguy up to?


"Why are you stalling, Chaotix? You have them all at the barrel of a gun. Pull the trigger. All of you Committee members. We've been doing this for 20 days now, and I think 20 is a nice round number. All good things must come to an end. Say good-bye to your wives and children. You managed to kill the criminals, congratulations, losing only your lives in the process. Now be cold and ruthless and carry out your threat, like a true Gangster."

Some of the Committee members flinched. A couple of them dropped their guns entirely and surrendered. "We want no part of this. Don't kill us!"

"What? He's going to kill you anyway! You're throwing your lives away, surrendering to the man who will destroy you if you show the slightest weakness. You've doomed yourselves!" pleaded Chaotix.

"I'm afraid not, mister Chaotix. I imagined something like this would happen, and so I've worked very, very hard to make friends in unusual places. Doctors, lawyers, cops, you name it. And I've made sure that they've been paid very handsomely for their services, so they could afford the finer things in life. So they could raise their families in peace. What have you done for them lately?"

"I'm offering them freedom! Freedom from your brutal tyranny! I am the savior of Fatlington!" responded Chaotix.

"No, I am afraid it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.... Who cares about freedom when you're lying dead in a gutter, or your whole family is starving to death, or threatened by gang violence? These people have already chosen their path, and it's not freedom they want; not the freedom to die in a pointless gun fight. What they want is to walk out of this Convention Center alive, and sit down and have a nice delicious turkey dinner with their families tonight. That's what I'm offering. All you're offering is spite and death." responded Askthepizzaguy. "I'm willing to kill every single one of you right here, right now, because I do not surrender to you, not you law-abiding types, and not you rival gangsters. I'm willing to kill or be killed. Now pull the trigger, or drop your weapons, NOW."


Nobody moved.


Finally, a burst of automatic weapons fire shocked everyone in the Convention Center. Chaotix dropped to his knees, staring in disbelief as his intestines had been scattered across the floor. He curled over and lay face down on the ground, and he did not get up.

The Thompson continued firing, right at chest level, in one clean sweep from one side of the Ballroom to the other. The Committee members dropped to the ground to avoid being shot, as did the Director's goons. But the experienced gangsters knew how to react in these situations, and stayed cool. They held their guns tight and kept aiming at their former captors.


"Now get up." commanded Askthepizzaguy. "Go home. Only those responsible for this little insurrection need pay for it with their lives. But I'm warning you, if you try anything like this again, you will lay down next to them. My patience has limits." The shaken Committee members were confused by the show of mercy, but grateful to still be alive. They were escorted out of the Convention Center, flanked by the Director's men.

Askthepizzaguy kneeled next to Chaotix and turned him over. The man was near death, bleeding out rapidly, unable to breathe properly. "You almost had me. Nobody has ever come so close. I want you to know that I admire your conviction, and your ambition, and your cunning. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Die with dignity, my friend."

With that, Askthepizzaguy pulled a small revolver out of his coat pocket, and left a pair of slugs in the man's head before covering him with the Italian flag, and walking out of the Convention center alive.

OOC

Night Twenty orders are due:


Please send your orders to GeneralHankerchief ONLY. Do not send them to khaan.


Lynch vote tally:

Chaotix: 8 (hero, lazy, krill, auto, dave, nightbringer, diana, double a) :skull:

Askthepizzaguy: 8 (niklas, renata, chaotix, diy, sisterc, seon, ironside, tld)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quite honestly DaveShack, you're the most kick-:daisy: lawyer in existence.

I also appreciate my personal doctor who cared enough about my health to prevent my death once more. My gratitude extends to his more rebellious friends as well, simply because it's been 19 1/2 phases of loyalty versus one move I can understand even if I don't like it.

And the loyal Clemenza, you are phenomenal.




Renata, Niklas: You're the most worthy of opponents and you proved it here today. I can't kill you Niklas because you're way, way too much fun.

I know you won't accept any sanctioned hits I send you, and that's a shame. But I also know Renata is the Don. That may be the reason why I don't hit Niklas, because I hardly need a rogue Don running around acting like a second serial killer. Therefore, Niklas.... ask Renata's permission to reconsider. You do not have to die and she probably wants you to accept the win.

You've got plenty of time to think it over. My offer to bury the hatchet is genuine and Renata chose this self-sacrificing path because that's who she is.

If you refuse, then the mafia have lost, and therefore I'm going to be doing one last favor for my townie allies, which is getting them their final successful protections and making sure they end the game with a Decisive victory.

I promoted them and kept them alive for a reason: They were an extremely powerful threat and an amazing bargaining chip I could use in negotiations against other mafia scumbags. Without them, my allied gangsters would have not only been less literally protected, but less virtually protected. We couldn't have gotten this far without them. A cross-alignment alliance is a magnificent thing.

I made sure they were paid very well for their services and now that the situation is reversed, I am asking them for mercy for my Clemenza allies. No more of them need to die. The next step that will happen is my death, and that's fine. If the Emprah gets tossed down the shaft at the end, that's precisely what everyone wanted and is literally dying to see.

So, I have played the villain well. Even if you know what's going to happen, you still have to see me die. You have to witness it. That means I was an effective villain that you loved to hate.



Just want to be OOC for a second and say it was hard doing this. It's very against my natural character and it made me feel quite dirty at times. But if there's one game you have to be the villain in, it's Capo di Tutti Capi.

I needed to personify evil, that's why I did this. I hope you all enjoyed the performance. I know the end is coming for me and I bow gracefully and accept it.


:bow:


Thanks for watching. Here's one more song for the road, from the man behind the villain.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XJSEs3NFA

[Chaotix]

Hah!

I may be dead, but do not forget the power of this day, people.

Look at how nice and diplomatic ATPG is in those last two posts. He is literally shaking in his boots, or at least he was for this entire day phase. Had double a not switched his vote on a whim, ATPG would have been writing his own lynch write-up, and he knows it.

Don't allow him respite; don't let him control the outcome of this game. You don't have to kill him (though that would be my choice). Keep him in check.

It has been an honor playing in this game, and despite being a little disappointed in the outcome, I am nonetheless satisfied in that I had a lot of fun along the way. It is not always about making the totally rational, calculated decisions- sometimes you have to make things more interesting, as it adds value to the overall experience.

ATPG, in case you were worried there are no hurt feelings to speak of- the feeling of betrayal was solely in terms of game. That said, my kill write-up had better be damn impressive!

I eagerly await the final outcome of this game. Chaotix out. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hah!

I may be dead, but do not forget the power of this day, people.

Look at how nice and diplomatic ATPG is in those last two posts. He is literally shaking in his boots, or at least he was for this entire day phase. Had double a not switched his vote on a whim, ATPG would have been writing his own lynch write-up, and he knows it.

Absolutely. I was much humbled by the events of the last couple rounds.

Nobody had been able to even leave a scratch on me this whole game and now, in the span of 24 hours, your small group of assorted betrayed gangsters and loyal townies were able to put me up against the wall with death only seconds away.

Very, very impressive. Not a good way to win unless you were certain the Clemenza would go for it, but still amazing.


Don't allow him respite; don't let him control the outcome of this game. You don't have to kill him (though that would be my choice). Keep him in check.

I think it's quite obvious that I've lost control of the game, or else Xehh and Jarema, Beskar and Neri would be with us.


It has been an honor playing in this game, and despite being a little disappointed in the outcome, I am nonetheless satisfied in that I had a lot of fun along the way. It is not always about making the totally rational, calculated decisions- sometimes you have to make things more interesting, as it adds value to the overall experience.

ATPG, in case you were worried there are no hurt feelings to speak of- the feeling of betrayal was solely in terms of game. That said, my kill write-up had better be damn impressive!

I know, you're a hardened mafia player and you take this for what it is.... good clean fun.

That said, I've done and said things as this Don Clemenza guy, to people I consider friends, that I worry has hurt their OOC selves and I can't apologize enough for that.

Give me one game where I can go deep into character as a villain, permit me that. You guys needed a Big Bad in this game and I was thrilled to have the opportunity to be that, but a villain is only a villain if he commits epic villainy. Honestly, the whole alliance deal and the peace between all the families was not villainous enough. It got downright lame at times. You needed an ending with betrayals and bloodshed or it wouldn't be Capo.

I needed to be the Dark Side, and I was. I'm good with whatever happens now. My appetite for destruction is satiated.

[Believer]

Give me one game where I can go deep into character as a villain, permit me that.

How about every game, sugar? ; )

[Askthepizzaguy]

How about every game, sugar? ; )

NO.

It was a nice role to play once, but I'm not about to do a repeat. This is my Heath Ledger/Joker performance; you only get one.

I'm going to be standard Askthepizzaguy from now on.

[TheLastDays]

:2thumbsup:

EDIT: This was more a general comment than solely a comment of the last post before me, seeing as it was written... well before that post was seen ^^

EDIT 2: As long as you don't go down the Heath Ledger route that's all fine :yes:

[Sigurd]

"Honey..... I am out of popcorn"

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Honey..... I am out of popcorn"


I have something very special in mind for tonight. You guys want to hold onto your butts for this.

:beam:

[edse]

Clemenza confirmed (6)
Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Diana Abnoba, hero di classico, Krill, LazyMcCrow
Mafia-loyal (2)
DaveShack, Nightbringer

? (1)
Double A [Made]

Mades: (2)
Renata [Made], Niklas [Made]
Remainder: (5)
Death is yonder, Ironside [Rogue], O!TheLastDays! [Communist], Seon, SisterCoyote.
Away: (1)
Beefy

Will the mafia be able to kill 3 people tonight? Town 2? And one for the serial killer?

ATPG and DaveShack should be tied up by their roles. 2 (3) doctors/surgeons for the town. What is Nightbringer?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will the mafia be able to kill 3 people tonight? Town 2? And one for the serial killer?

ATPG and DaveShack should be tied up by their roles. 2 (3) doctors/surgeons for the town. What is Nightbringer?


Nightbringer would be the Mafia Commissioner of course, hiding as a doctor. :wink:

Really epic move to become part of the pro-town network AND be protected every night.



Ahhhhh..... good times.

[Renata]

My inbox is open for the next hour in case anyone wants to try to change my mind. Otherwise, Chaotix is the choice, and reluctantly so, in spite of my bluster this round for theatrical purposes.

I was tempted to tell everyone they were just being played to be fearful, but it probably wouldn't have gone over well. It's the kind of thing that has to be done to you before you can see it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was tempted to tell everyone they were just being played to be fearful, but it probably wouldn't have gone over well. It's the kind of thing that has to be done to you before you can see it.

If none of you had gone Don, I would have risked the whole game trying to get Chaotix, Niklas, and yourself on board, with the gesture to spare his life.

I just had my butt saved by unexpected circumstances and I was feeling like the game was riskable, because I could have died this round anyway.

My question to Niklas and Chaotix is, if I had spared him today, would that have been enough to make amends, or would you still need me dead before you could side with the Clemenza?

[Renata]

I had to go Don, Pizza, given the numbers. Anything else wouldn't have been me.

[edse]

Is Renata a Don? For how long have you been that? Did Double A work against Clemenza last night?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had to go Don, Pizza, given the numbers. Anything else wouldn't have been me.

If you had pulled this off before I became Don, I would have followed you to the ends of the earth, Renata.

You truly are worthy to be Don, in the minds of many, many people.

[Renata]

I honestly don't know if I could have done it then. People will take more risks when they have nothing to lose and know it. (And thanks.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly don't know if I could have done it then. People will take more risks when they have nothing to lose and know it.

You're beautiful when you're wrathful.....

[Renata]

Is Renata a Don? For how long have you been that? Did Double A work against Clemenza last night?

Since the "demise" of the Corleones. There were still three of us alive, though, and that's what you need. I'm still surprised white_eyes said yes.

[Renata]

You're beautiful when you're wrathful.....

Lol.

[edse]

So you couldn't attack anyone last night?

There was 6 parties of two and three lone attackers. Two couples and two lonely targeted Clemenza while 4+1 targeted the other side.

[Renata]

I was in the hospital anyway, so no twice over. The solo killers were Ironside (the lugers) and the serial killer. And Jarema died to a surgeon.

[edse]

The two men were standing at the sidewalk in front of his house, giving an odd stare at the third. Ironside assumed they weren’t allies. Hopefully they might turn on each other. The three stood for a moment, apparently arguing over something. But none were drawing weapons. Finally, the three seemed to settle the discussion, and the one solo man from down the street began to approach the door. He drew a pistol, and creeped cautiously.

This was the third attacker. I didn't count the surgeon.

[Renata]

Oh, I don't know what that was. I had nothing to do with any attacks on Ironside, obviously.

[Niklas]

Oh. So close.

[Niklas]

I have far more comments later, and I only skimmed the posts that came after the cutoff.

The lone attacker on Ironside was White_eyes:D, being stood up by his intended (by Pizza) partner BSmith. BSmith was with me attacking Autolycus instead, so we knew that particular attack on Ironside would fail. We didn't know there would be a second one, the one by Jarema and Xehh II.

Pizza did have something to do with the death of Jarema, and the almost-death of Xehh II. He knew he was pitting them against surgeons, but the chance that a surgeon actually kills is small. He sent you on a risky mission, but didn't necessarily intend your deaths. Xehh II would have been targeted by Ironside regardless (only viable target), but would then likely have survived due to the luck that was now spent surviving the surgeon strike.

Chaotix indeed thought me and BSmith were hitting Xehh II, he must have skimmed the writeup. We changed it to Autolycus as a favor to the doctors, whose victory condition involves killing starting mades/wiseguys. We believed Xehh II started as a townie, while we had information that Autolycus started (on D4) as Made Tataglia.

Hero, you know very well why I did not send anything to you. You were planted as a lure by Pizza to sniff out any resistance. It was way too obvious though, too bad Diana fell for it, if she hadn't then things might have played out very differently.

Diana, every word I said to you was true. We did have a Donna, Renata, but we were also aware that she was sacrificing herself by accepting the position. Both me and Chaotix had every intention of supporting you.

Krill said something interesting to me yesterday - that whoever was elected Capo if Pizza were to die would be a lame winner, and that the game would always be remembered as Pizza's game regardless. He has a definite point - and yet I wanted this to be remembered as the game where Pizza, despite being awesome, still fell. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, for real.

Pizza. Ah Pizza, at least we were closer than anyone else ever was at taking you down. Regardless of how the game ends, I will have that satisfaction :bow:. And you may take with you the knowledge that you survived thanks to Beefy not voting... :clown: :no:

[Renata]

Oh, you're right. I forgot about the abandoned attacks. (And about the CH honeytrap, for that matter.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Some folks I've left alive because they're no threat to anyone.

Usually I kill them off because that's lame, but Beefy is everyone's favorite lurker/absentee townie. He also is not usually this bad.

[Krill]

Aw Niklas, I love that you lied through your teeth about the Clemenza mades being able to have a choice in who would get Capo :p

If only you weren't so predictable in those lies.

[Chaotix]

If none of you had gone Don, I would have risked the whole game trying to get Chaotix, Niklas, and yourself on board, with the gesture to spare his life.

I just had my butt saved by unexpected circumstances and I was feeling like the game was riskable, because I could have died this round anyway.

My question to Niklas and Chaotix is, if I had spared him today, would that have been enough to make amends, or would you still need me dead before you could side with the Clemenza?

Honestly, ATPG, if you had spared me, it would have been an insult.

You made the right choice in terms of the story- it just wouldn't feel right siding with you after all that effort and then almost lynching you to death.

I am satisfied with your decision; there was never really any choice in the matter at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd still like to know why you had me killed ATPG. There's no way my death was accidental

You were being attacked by Ironside because he had narrowed it down to you and one other as the serial killer. I didn't stop him because between you and the lawyer, I needed the lawyer slightly more and if you were the serial killer you were a threat to us as well.

In turn, I had you attack Ironside because you had nothing to lose at that point, and if you weren't the serial killer I still needed your help in removing folks for the family, and I wanted you Made and part of the family.

It was possible Ironside would be protected or Lucky but usually surgeons don't get that lucky as to counterattack, they have a 1/6 chance. Nobody has enough to be Surgeon general yet so attacking protected targets was still relatively safe. The odds, plus your being targeted directly by the rogue, is what killed you.

No, I didn't want you dead at all, but I also determined who the serial killer is. I was hoping you'd get lucky or we'd have the manpower to protect 2 people, but we didn't.

:wall: Sorry. If we had protected you and lost Dave, it would have been even worse. Plus if we protected you and you still died because of Surgeon counter-attack, what a waste of manpower. Couldn't take the risk.

I still cannot believe you were not a made yet. You had enough sanctioned hits and thensome.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Honestly, ATPG, if you had spared me, it would have been an insult.

It wouldn't have been an insult intended. It would have been me saying, in effect:

"Chaotix, you're a notoriously untrustworthy, devious, cunning genius, and I am willing to risk the entire game one more time just for the chance that you'd be willing to side with me in spite of everything because you ARE that awesome."

I realize it wouldn't have been right for your idiom, but I don't care about that. It's really the highest compliment I can give you. Sorry you'd take it that way.

[Renata]

Who's the serial killer, then?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who's the serial killer, then?

Renata, you're more than capable of solving it now. I'll tell you if you need to peek but seriously, you got this.


That goes for everyone... and if you solve it, don't shout out the answer publicly. Let people have some fun solving it already!

[Renata]

I don't think so, Pizza. If it's activity that can solve it, I've never had remotely a full accounting of Stracchi or townie activity. I couldn't even rule out Niklas on that basis until last night. I can't get it down to just one.

[Nightbringer]

I believe I was a bit unclear with that post, but I do understand what you mean. However, I stand by my decision, for reasons that I do not feel I need to make public.

That's not true.

1. ATPG has already shown every sign of being capable of betraying those who thought that they had served him well. The only reason WE are still unaffected is because he KNEW that there would be a town presence in the end game and any effort to turn against the other mafia would require their aid.

2. Town victory for yourself? Its a solo victory, its not a town victory, which is only going to happen if the mafia lose. Last time I checked, Clemenza is mafia. That's not fair for all the townies who gave their all this game, for them to be backstabbed by their own people when it came to the finish line.

If the status quo is continued so to speak, and Chaotix ends up lynch, its a guaranteed mafia victory with your life only available to you at pizza's whim. That's not a town victory Nightbringer.

Edit:

And by extension Nightbringer, if you say that the Insurrection is inherently against a town victory, role-wise, that is true, they are mafia, but so is ATPG.

Fact is that insurrection don't want Clemenza to win, we're swapping guaranteed loss to the mafia for a possible victory. If there is any hope, this is it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I was a bit unclear with that post, but I do understand what you mean. However, I stand by my decision, for reasons that I do not feel I need to make public.

I have a lawyer if you're interested, mister Nightbringer.

You see, when you do things that peeps disapprove of, and they might get angry and threaten you with death, I always call the law offices of Dave and Shack. Guaranteed to put law-abiding citizens behind bars, and criminals back on the street where they belong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double post

[White_eyes:D]

I'm still surprised white_eyes said yes. When you look at me with those "Puppy dog eyes" I can't resist.:clown:

Using the line "It can't hurt" also works well on me.:shame:

[sturmhauke]

That said, I've done and said things as this Don Clemenza guy, to people I consider friends, that I worry has hurt their OOC selves and I can't apologize enough for that.

You have wounded me to the core of my being. Oh wait, that's just heartburn. I ate too much turkey. Sorry, carry on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm half-tempted to post the writeup myself at this point, but this is GeneralHankerchief's pirate ship and he's the Cap'n, not me.

I'll be swabbing the poop deck if anyone needs me.

[Choxorn]

And what makes you so sure of the result? Your overconfidence is your weakness.

And no, they're not my friends, and I don't even have that much faith in them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And what makes you so sure of the result?

Because GH already posted it, Chaotix be dead sire.

[Krill]

Misunderstanding, ATPG is talking about last nights lynch vote results that are already known not the night results.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tonight's night actions:

Clemenza kills the doctors
Doctors become vigilantes and kill the communist
Rogue detective kills the Corleone
Serial killer massacres the Clemenza

Tomorrow:
I drop an anvil on the SK

Me and the rogue detective win as the last two standing..... or we battle to the death using baseball bats covered in poison-tipped spikes.

[Ishmael]

I have a small question - what happens if a 'loop' happens with night actions? For example, if players A & B try to kill player C, and players C & D try to kill player A, what is the result?

[Krill]

Both kills go through and Players B and D are left glaring at each other.

[landlubber]

I'm still pulling for the Corleone, even if they have a slim chance at best. Either way, this has been an incredible game to follow and be a part of.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a small question - what happens if a 'loop' happens with night actions? For example, if players A & B try to kill player C, and players C & D try to kill player A, what is the result?

I think that's how Spock made the ship go back in time to save the whales.

[Renata]

I'm still pulling for the Corleone, even if they have a slim chance at best. Either way, this has been an incredible game to follow and be a part of.

Sorry to disappoint, the Corleone are sipping Mai Tais on the beach.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry to disappoint, the Corleone are sipping Mai Tais on the beach.

What are they wearing?

Please enjoy your stay on the Jersey shore.

[Renata]

Pizza, remind me not to play chess when I'm sleep-deprived. I just dropped a pawn in the opening for no good reason whatsoever.

(I won the other one, though. I think he gave up. :crazyeye: )

[landlubber]

Sorry to disappoint, the Corleone are sipping Mai Tais on the beach.
Well, that's no way to win the game, now is it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, remind me not to play chess when I'm sleep-deprived. I just dropped a pawn in the opening for no good reason whatsoever.

(I won the other one, though. I think he gave up. :crazyeye: )

I think you're just dropping pawns so that you get to watch them pick em up. You shameless flirt.

[Renata]

What are they wearing?

Please enjoy your stay on the Jersey shore.

It's New Jersey in November. I'm wearing a warm coat. I'm a very practical mafia Donna. I probably have sensible shoes, too.

Niklas, on the other hand, is dressed like this (http://www.scavengeinc.com/images/Product/medium/coquette/sexy-gangster-costume.jpg). Except he spilled a Mai Tai on his white shirt and had to take it off, poor thing. He does well in the cold, though. His papa was from Sweden, bit of a Family scandal there.

[Renata]

I think you're just dropping pawns so that you get to watch them pick em up. You shameless flirt.

You know it.

[Renata]

Well, that's no way to win the game, now is it?

Regrettably, my door step has been un-darkened by Clemenzas begging to join the resistance. I will die in vain. :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas, on the other hand, is dressed like This

I'm kind of glad that link doesn't work. All you did was google sexy male gangsters. :creep:


Regrettably, my door step has been un-darkened by Clemenzas begging to join the resistance.

Should have dressed like it was July, then. :sunny:

[Renata]

Link works now. :bow:

Is that all it would have taken to over-come the fear of me being so very, very hurt that I'd been beaten, that I would deliberately throw the game to the town just to spite you? I'm a mafiosa from birth, baby. Was NOT going to happen.

You could sell coal to Newcastle, couldn't you? *shakes head*

[Askthepizzaguy]

Link works now. :bow:

Is that all it would have taken to over-come the fear of me being so very, very hurt that I'd been beaten, that I would deliberately throw the game to the town just to spite you? I'm a mafiosa from birth, baby. Was NOT going to happen.

You could sell coal to Newcastle, couldn't you? *shakes head*

I sell ice cream to snow men.

But yes, show more leg next time. I bet nobody would have even noticed I was playing. Pizzaguy is really NOT that interesting.

[GamezRule]

Face it, Donna Corleone is a (insert vulgar word here). I'm still pulling for a Corleone victory too, btw. Works better for me, you know.

[Double A]

Renata, why did you link me to a picture of Pizza?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Lynch scene has finally been updated. Thank you for your patience.

[Ishmael]

I congratulate you on the Moby Dick reference ATPG - now who in there was Ishmael? :beam:

[Xehh II]

You were being attacked by Ironside because he had narrowed it down to you and one other as the serial killer. I didn't stop him because between you and the lawyer, I needed the lawyer slightly more and if you were the serial killer you were a threat to us as well.

You let him attack me because you thought *I* was the SK? I have been working for you doing night actions for the entire game and you still thought I was the SK? You suck man. I don't care if you didn't want me to die, that's still twice you've screwed me over now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You let him attack me because you thought *I* was the SK? I have been working for you doing night actions for the entire game and you still thought I was the SK? You suck man. I don't care if you didn't want me to die, that's still twice you've screwed me over now.

The actual serial killer has been working for me and doing night actions the entire game as well. That wasn't an indicator.

It was down to you and one other person, a 50/50 shot.

You've got every right to be upset but given the circumstances I'd have done it again. You don't turn down a coin flip to remove the serial killer.

Think what you will of me, I don't take it personally, but I think most people would have made the exact same call.

[Visor]

Ah.... TLD. :shame:

Why?

[Renata]

Face it, Donna Corleone is a (insert vulgar word here).

:bow:

[Believer]

FBI victory is imminent.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

Please allow time for processing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I once again need a clarification, which is the reason for the delay.

[GeneralHankerchief]

"And how can we win
When fools can be kings
Don't waste your time
Or time will waste you
No one's gonna take me alive
The time has come to make things right
You and I must fight for our rights
You and I must fight to survive"
...Knights of Cydonia
...Muse


Night Twenty -- The Streets of Fatlington


It was a fairly quiet night in Fatlington. The utter decimation of the Committee of Vigilance would do that to any town. Plus, with nearing three weeks of constant, terrible violence, the rest of the sleepy shore town had taken the hint and either boarded up or hightailed it out of town. Only the hardcores remained.

Niklas knew better than to go out at night. He knew where the line was and where he stood. His best chance of surviving was hunkering down and hoping for the best. But then, something terrible happened when Niklas was in full survival mode.

He had run out of beer.

This was unacceptable. And so, damning the risk, he went out to the nearest 24-hour convenience store to get his beer.

Checking all visual quadrants, he determined the store to be empty save for the cashier before going inside. It was safe to get his beer, after all. Just as he was paying for it, the door to the men's room burst open and two figures machine-gunned him mercilessly, draping an Italian flag over his body and taking the beer for themselves before leaving.

When the cashier determined all was clear (this time for real), he quickly revived Niklas and explained to him that an ambulance was on its way to take him to Mercy Hospital. "They never paid for the beer," he said, gritting his teeth. "They'll get what's coming to them for that." Niklas decided he needed the alcohol now more than ever.

They would have machine-gunned him mercilessly were it not for yet another figure who burst out of the women's room and brandished a large and nasty-looking machine gun of his own. Both attackers made a split-second decision that it wasn't worth it and decided to leave Niklas be, entirely unharmed.


As soon as Death is yonder saw the red knife embedded in the sidewalk ahead of him, he knew he was in trouble. Knowing better, he immediately turned tail and ran, but his lone pursuer was quickly catching up to him, not having missed a stride at all to take his knife out of the ground. This man was simply more athletic than DiY, who said a quick "Hail Mary" as he was running for his life.

The pursuer was gaining ground, but he needed to kill with authority, panache. He figured a thrown knife perfectly embedded in the back of DiY's head would meet this end. And so, he brought his arm back to throw.

"Ow!" A sharp pain immediately entered his entire arm, and he found it nearly immobile. Throwing the knife was now out of the question. He stopped stride entirely to examine the source of this pain and found that somebody had lodged a blow-dart in his throwing arm. He wasn't sure if it had been tipped with poison or not, but he decided it was best to go home and treat the wound just in case.


9:01AM, Friday, 17 November 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey

"So yeah, no deaths today after all," Commissioner Fermanagh said, "though one of your number has been wounded. Now, for the usual body report. Backwards Logic and kennigit were Mades, GamezRule was a Don, and Secura was a Rogue Detective. On the sides of good, shlin28 was a loyal townie and was working to take down the Communists from the inside, and Believer was one of Hoover's boys with the FBI. Not much more to say, I guess." He stepped down, going back to his familiar bottle, handing off the gavel to Director Askthepizzaguy.


OOC

Day Twenty-one begins. You are voting to lynch and to select a Director.
Phase ends:


Feedback PMs will go out tomorrow after I get some sleep. As always, PM me with administrative issues.


Attacked = 65: Askthepizzaguy (n1, n2, n4, n5, n8), Raskolnikov (n1), Slash and earn (n1, n6), slysnake (n1, n3), Earthling (n1), a completely inoffensive name (n2), Master Necromanver (n2), Cahoma (n2), El Barto (n2), Montmorency (n2, n4), Chaotix (n2, n3, n11, n12, n19), taillesskangaru (n3), Secura (n3), Ameranth (n3), Craterus (n3), Cecil XIX (n3, n6), johnhughthom (n4), Ishmael (n4), Drunk Clown (n4, n5), Psychonaut (n5), Suburban Plankton (n4), Sasaki Kojiro (n4), scottishranger (n4, n10), edse (n5), Erebus (n5, n6, n15), Diana Abnoba (n6, n10), J.D. (n6), Zack (n6), Camikaze (n7), Hero di Classico (n7), Diamondeye (n7, n9), guiri (n8), Khazaar (n8, n9, n11), Riedquat (n8), robbiecon (n8), Scienter (n8 x2), sturmhauke (n8), Jarema (n9), Oh! TheLastDays! (n10, n17, n18), qlyphz (n10, n12), Psychonaut (n11), Crazed Rabbit (n12), Erebus (n12), BillMC (n12), Secura (n13), Beefy (n13), white eyes (n13), B_Ray (n14), Renata (n14, n15), Tiaexz (n14), Kennigit (n15), gibsons (n15), Believer (n16), Death is Yonder (n16, n20), shlin28 (n16), Seon (n17), hero di classico (n18), autolycus (n19), Ironside (n19)

Wounded = 22: Slysnake (n1, n3), Lord Brennus (n3), Tratorix (n4), edse (n5), Erebus (n6), Psychonaut (n6), Choxorn (n7), dcmort93 (n7), Zack (n7), guiri (n8), Monk (n8), Sasaki (n9), Lewwyn (N11), Neri (N11), Scottishranger (n13, n18), Sturmhauke (n13), BillMC (n14), The Stranger (n14), Winston Hughes (n14), Renata (n18)

Killed = 75: Captain Black Adder [townie] (n1), Pharoah [townie] (n2), Moros [luca] (n2), ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK [townie] (n2), TinCow [detective] (n3), Xenoneb [townie] (n3), El Barto [detective] (n3), Arjos [FBI chief] (n3), Ameranth [wiseguy] (n4), Lord Winter [wiseguy] (n4), Suburban Plankton [detective] (n5), slysnake [townie] (n5), Lord Brennus [townie] (n5), Bow-wow-wow [townie] (n5), ByzantineKnight [townie] (n6), Kagemusha [serial killer] (n6), Tratorix [FBI] (n6), Raskolnikov [wiseguy] (n6), Nictel [wiseguy] (n6), J.D. [wiseguy] (n6), Visorslash [communist leader] (n7), Cecil XIX [townie] (n7), Drunk Clown [luca] (n7), Johnhughthom [wiseguy] (n7), Jolt [Made] (n7), Romanic [wiseguy] (n7), fubbleskag [doctor] (n8), Ibn-Khaldun [townie] (n8), Memnon [townie] (n8), robbiecon [townie] (n8), Andres [Special Agent] (n8), Camikaze [Made] (n8), Frozen in Ice [wiseguy] (n8), woad&fangs [townie] (n9), Zack [townie] (n9), Zim [Luca] (n9), Choxorn [townie] (n9), dcmort93 [townie] (n9), Diamondeye [wiseguy] (n10),
AggonyKing [townie] (n10), God Emperor [made] (n10), Skotsko [made] (n10), slash and earn [townie] (n10), thefluffyone93 [rogue detective] (n10), Craterus [townie] (n11), Peasant Phill [Don] (n11), Sasaki [Don] (n11), ULC [townie] (n11), Khazaar [townie] (n12), Johhog [Wiseguy] (n12), qlyphz [townie] (n12), Lewwyn [made] (n13), Monk [townie] (n13), Yaropolk [townie] (n13), Cahoma [Luca] (n14), guiri [townie] (n14), Psychonaut [detective] (n14), Scienter [Made] (n14), B_Ray [townie] (n16), gnarlycharlie [Don] (n16), Sigurd [communist recruit] (n16), Sprig [Made] (n16), Clitsome [communist] (n17), fyremarble [don] (n17), gibsonsg91921 [luca] (n17), Winston Hughes [made] (n17), Backwards Logic [Made] (n18), Believer [FBI] (n18), GamezRule [don] (n18), kennigit [Made] (n18), Secura [rogue] (n18), Bsmith (n19), Jarema (n19), Neri (n19), Tiaexz (n19), White eyes (n19), Xehh II (n19)


Lynched = 19: Earthling [townie] (d2), a completely inoffensive name [townie] (d3), Subotan [wiseguy] (d3), Major Robert Dump [wiseguy] (d4), Ishmael [communist] (d5), Montmorency [wiseguy] (d6), landlubber [Made] (d8), Captain Blackadder [townie] (d9), Riedquat [townie] (d10), Edse [surgeon] (d11), Populus Romanus [surgeon] (d12), Crazed Rabbit [made] (d13), Sturmhauke (d15) [townie], The Stranger (d15) [rogue], BillMC [detective] (d16), Erebus (d17) [townie], shlin28 [townie] (d18), Scottishranger (d19)

Wogged = 5: bestrfcplayer (n6), cpdwane [townie] (n4), Master Necromanver [Don] (n4), taillesskangaru [townie] (n4), Silver Jan (d16)

Added: Autolycus (d4)

Active (17):

Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, Beefy187, DaveShack, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Double A, hero di classico, Ironside, Krill, LazyMcCrow, Nightbringer, Niklas, O!TheLastDays!, Renata, Seon, SisterCoyote

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nightbringer said he was covering Niklas.

Nightbringer has every motive to get additional protections; Nightbringer also trusts me and I trust him, after yesterday especially, and I told him Niklas was being hit, and to cover Niklas.

I have the transcript here:






How many further protections do you need?

I don't actually know since I haven't gotten feedback on most nights... I will try pming a gm.


Okay, the idea is we're going to have you do a protection on Niklas; I'll try to get Ironside and a made to do a hit on him.

That said, the plan isnt fully formed/agreed to, please log on tomorrow to make sure.
Can do, I will send a protection in for now but will check in again.


There was no further communication, that protection should have happened as agreed to.


Niklas, was not me, dude. I have zero powers left or I would have been using them on YOU guys to stop you from killing us. And nobody that works with me should have such powers or we would have used them in the war, to stop ourselves from dying.

No, this has nothing to do with the Clemenza.... no idea in the slightest as to why this protection failed.

The writeup might imply that an inexperienced doctor tried to save his life, but he was wounded anyway.... maybe a rogue is powerful enough to cause an injury even with protection, but I don't know that for a fact either, and the writeup does appear at least similar to one where there's no protection at all.


I am not pointing fingers at anyone, but Clemenza family both ordered protection on Niklas and had nothing to do with removing it if it was there, because he said he was joining us and I believed him. Ok so what the heck happened. I kept my word regarding everything that went down last night, including the hits on protected targets for my doctor friends here, and that's a big fat risk to my people, so... no, I kept my word. What happened, Nightbringer?


Well, he survived and if he was able to join the Clemenza as he said then he's in. I still don't understand why he was injured and not protected, though.

[Nightbringer]

I certainly sent in a protection, I have no clue why it didn't worked and haven't received any results yet. I did just find out from the hosts that I haven't had enough successful protections to become a surgeon, so maybe that is why. I am not sure why I'm still a doctor though as I know of at least three times in which I was one of the people protecting a person who was hit during the night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I certainly sent in a protection, I have no clue why it didn't worked and haven't received any results yet. I did just find out from the hosts that I haven't had enough successful protections to become a surgeon, so maybe that is why. I am not sure why I'm still a doctor though as I know of at least three times in which I was one of the people protecting a person who was hit during the night.

The mechanics of being a doctor are a little fuzzy, but if you've done enough protections you become a doctor automatically.

Were you a starting doctor? If so, did someone promote to surgeon on the same protection that would have promoted you? They cannot promote 2 on the same person, IIRC.

What matters to you is number of successful protections. After yesterday (frankly, before yesterday) we neither had the skills nor the interest in stopping your protect, if anything we would have stopped SisCoy's protection and made Death is yonder die, if we were going to do that.

Niklas was capable of joining us and still should have done so, no way did we stop your protection on him. We would have gotten DIY instead.


Is there even a slight chance of a protected target being injured even during a successful protect? Let me recheck the game mechanics and the role PM.

[classical_hero]

No one died on our part, so that helps.
vote:Death is Yonder
select:Seon

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doctors can win with us, Renata can't.

That said, there's something extremely odd about that failed protect.


Vote: Renata
Select: Askthepizzaguy

[Renata]

never mind

[Krill]

Vote: OTLD
Select: Askthepizzaguy

[Ironside]

After some considerations, I'll be voting

Vote: O!TLD

[Seon]

Well, ain't this hilarious?

[edse]

So what did the remaining ten people do? And why did the SK change side?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Big mistake on my part, there should have been a doctor covering Niklas. Will rework the writeup shortly.

This is why we don't resolve orders at 3 in the morning...

[Renata]

Figures.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I've (shoddily) reworked the writeup and all feedback PMs should now be out. PM me if I missed anything.

[LazyMcCrow]

vote: OTLD select: ATPG

embrace: AcronymsFTW :2thumbsup

[autolycus]

vote: Renata, select: Seon

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's better. (refers to the writeup wherein there's protection on mister Niklas as promised)


Now listen my townie friends, this game is now in the bag for Ironside, Seon, SisterCoyote, Death is Yonder, and one more makes it for Nightbringer.

I've done my part and risked my own gangsters against your machine-gun toting folks. Kept my word that I'd assist y'all.

With Niklas and Double A on board, we've got the numbers to win the game without executing any of you townsfolk. All you have to do is agree to accept the peace.


You do that, we wrap up this game, NB gets his final protection for the win, and none of you die, even though we control the vote today.

All in favor say aye.

[DaveShack]

Vote: O!TLD!
Select: ATPG

[Nightbringer]

Ah, I think I was just a little embarrassed to be seen in the women's room the first time around.
anyway
AYE!
select:ATPG
vote:OTLD

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, I think I was just a little embarrassed to be seen in the women's room the first time around.

Bring a lady friend. Have her walk out while still getting dressed. Then it will be a badge of manly awesome.

[Nightbringer]

Bring a lady friend. Have her walk out while still getting dressed. Then it will be a badge of manly awesome.

Oh, well, I didn't want her to get hurt so I told her to stay inside but...
I should have brought her out! Manly awesome and another person to fix up!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, well, I didn't want her to get hurt so I told her to stay inside but...
I should have brought her out! Manly awesome and another person to fix up!

Instead of staging useless kill attempts and nursing gangsters back to health, we could have had some real fun.

Seriously, why not just go to club 30 and bring Diana, Renata, and SisCoy with us? That would be far more interesting than this Capo whatever. I've had just about enough of this, and I need to get my dance on.

[Nightbringer]

Instead of staging useless kill attempts and nursing gangsters back to health, we could have had some real fun.

Seriously, why not just go to club 30 and bring Diana, Renata, and SisCoy with us? That would be far more interesting than this Capo whatever. I've had just about enough of this, and I need to get my dance on.

Sure thing, Renata, would you give me the honor of the first dance?

I know the Passacaille, the Gavotte, the Chaconne, and the Rigaudon... What, wrong kind of dances for this day and age? Oh well, I suppose I can at least make sure nobody hurts you while we are there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sure thing, Renata, would you give me the honor of the first dance?

I know the Passacaille, the Gavotte, the Chaconne, and the Rigaudon... What, wrong kind of dances for this day and age? Oh well, I suppose I can at least make sure nobody hurts you while we are there.

Yes, there may be gangsters firing at us while we dance. It's sort of my thing.

[Nightbringer]

So Renata, will you have me as your escort to the club?

And I don't mean THAT kind of escort!

I am a gentlemen doctor after all.

[autolycus]

Change of plans vote: Ironside. Select: Seon

[Krill]

Vote: Ironside.
Select: Seon

ah screw it.

[Ishmael]

Autolycus, you didn't unvote.

[Renata]

Oh, Ironside. The serial killer rates higher than you. :( I guess I get to wait one more day.

Make it a good lynch for him, Pizza -- you owe him that much.

abstain, courteously

*pays Reenk $50*

[Krill]

unvote, vote: Ironside.
Select: Seon

[Beefy187]

Vote: Abstain

For now

[autolycus]

Sorry, unvote, vote;ironside

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Ironside

Select: Seon

[DaveShack]

unvote, vote: ironside
unselect, select: seon

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Oh!TheLastDays
unselect, select: Seon I suppose. I guess this will be my final writeup as Director.

[Double A]

vote: TLD
elect: Seon

[Populus Romanus]

Finally, the political machine of Boss Tweed Pizza is broken. Fatlington will be free. The guilty will be brought to justice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finally, the political machine of Boss Tweed Pizza is broken. Fatlington will be free. The guilty will be brought to justice.

....


You sure? :laugh4:

[Earthling]

If Nightbringer is actually town-aligned, though that certainly is doubtful and he could even be the serial killer, today's vote ought to be an outright lynch of one of the Clemenza too. (which is part of good evidence Nightbringer isn't town, for obviously acting against that yesterday.) Six town and TLD is seven votes, and Renata has no choice but to oppose the other mafia family, just abstaining by the Corleone will do. Even if none of the Clemenza people are willing to work with Renata that vote still goes down, if they are, she hopes the remaining Mades then all agree to gather on her side and outnumber the town as Corleone, either way today's lynch goes through.

Also, although pizza pretends he is placing votes his vote doesn't actually count today because he's still Director. Even if the serial killer hiding among the Clemenza willfully chooses to vote with them, say for TLD, it doesn't make a difference.

The real question would be what the serial killer does tonight and whether the Clemenza and Corleone would agree to merge, though if you purposefully give up on this lynch that's moot.

Also, town doctors CANNOT ACHIEVE BETTER THAN A DRAW as things stand right now. You'll have at least second-tier defeat because there are more than 5-6 Wiseguy/Mades remaining, so more than 10% of starting, which means both survival and getting enough protections still bring you to a draw.

Count and realize the number of votes you have, and don't act against your victory conditions - if you were ignorant and need to check again to see that the town will suffer more than a close defeat, do so, but you won't be ignorant of that anymore.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Nightbringer is actually town-aligned, though that certainly is doubtful and he could even be the serial killer, today's vote ought to be an outright lynch of one of the Clemenza too. (which is part of good evidence Nightbringer isn't town, for obviously acting against that yesterday.) Six town and TLD is seven votes, and Renata has no choice but to oppose the other mafia family, just abstaining by the Corleone will do. Even if none of the Clemenza people are willing to work with Renata that vote still goes down, if they are, she hopes the remaining Mades then all agree to gather on her side and outnumber the town as Corleone, either way today's lynch goes through.

Also, although pizza pretends he is placing votes his vote doesn't actually count today because he's still Director. Even if the serial killer hiding among the Clemenza willfully chooses to vote with them, say for TLD, it doesn't make a difference.

The real question would be what the serial killer does tonight and whether the Clemenza and Corleone would agree to merge, though if you purposefully give up on this lynch that's moot.

Also, town doctors CANNOT ACHIEVE BETTER THAN A DRAW as things stand right now. You'll have at least second-tier defeat because there are more than 5-6 Wiseguy/Mades remaining, so more than 10% of starting, which means both survival and getting enough protections still bring you to a draw.

Count and realize the number of votes you have, and don't act against your victory conditions - if you were ignorant and need to check again to see that the town will suffer more than a close defeat, do so, but you won't be ignorant of that anymore.


While you were pretty good at times during this game Earthling, I'll ask you to recheck your facts on the following-

Nightbringer is absolutely town aligned. He needs one more protect to get an additional victory tier, which since I gave him the first of two last night, and he saved my life yesterday, I'm DEFINITELY giving him his second of two tonight. Hands bleeping down.

TheLastDays is woefully inactive, even Visorslash can't get through to him. It's unfortunate because I promised Visor I wouldn't harm TheLastDays, and in spite of my goofing around today, my vote isn't real because I'm Director and therefore TheLastDays isn't going to be lynched. At least not by me.

The Clemenza and Corleone are absolutely merging. The question is procedure; some thought it was possible to make the switch absent a sanctioned hit and apparently thats mistaken, so we need sanctioned hits that work. Not going to risk it while there's surgeons out and about.

You're incorrect about the draw.

Of the remaining mafiosi, only Renata and Autolycus were starting anything. So your count is way off. Everyone else was a starting wiseguy or lower. Those count as townies. The starting mafiosi got pwned, what remains is basically all townies. Town wins this game as such, in my mind. Just under a different name.

Also, the doctors aren't going to get their additional protections without cooperating with the folks who can do hits and are willing to have them be blocked for their benefit.

You know that part about paying people handsomely? That's not just color for the writeup. The doctors who need additional protects are on the mafia payroll right now. And are being paid.

Those who already got their 5 will be left alone.

[Earthling]

No, starting Wiseguys explicitly count against the town. Unless there were more than 60 original Mades/Wiseguys, there's more than 10% left now, which is the second level of defeat. I'm clearly correct, you're just misleading the doctors by making them think that getting protections + survival will work, like how Ironside, even after the other rogues were killed, is going to get killed off in favor of the serial killer for his lack of guts to stand up.

The town may not be active or organized enough to win anything, sure. But with the Corleones they can get rid of you, help remove another starting non-town role, and maybe actually get those two victory levels bumped up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, starting Wiseguys explicitly count against the town.

Starting wiseguys ARE townies. They made up a good third or quarter of the original town. They had townie win conditions. I know, I can show you the role PM.

They are simply townies who can become mafia easier than standard townies. They were NOT mafia. They're ordinary people with a criminal record, nothing more.


I'm clearly correct,

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There's no use putting out the facts when someone is already convinced they're correct, I suppose.

I don't usually speak to brick walls, but of those I have had the pleasure of speaking to, you're among the nicest.


Game ending conditions:


The game ends when one of the following conditions obtain:

1. The Dons of all the mafia families (including replacement Dons and Dons of newborn families) are dead and the total of town-aligned players exceeds that of the mafia (unaligned wiseguys, and most “individualist” roles are counted as town-aligned for this purpose but third party “secret factions” and some “individualist” roles are not counted as being part of either faction. This is a townie win. Traditionally, the last Don is depicted as leaving town rather than dying, mostly for narrative purposes.

2. A single mafia family removes all other Dons aside from their own and also outnumbers the total remaining number of Mafiosi of the other families (or unaligned) , townspeople, and unaligned/neutrally aligned players. This is a mafia win for that family and the Don of that family becomes Capo di Tutti Capi.

3. If the specific victory conditions of a secret “third” party faction have been met. These conditions typically involve the domination/outnumbering of the remainder of Fatlington. This would count as a third party victory.

4. All mafia Dons are deceased, as in number one above, but the number of Mafiosi and Town-aligned players are equal. This constitutes a draw.

5. All Mafiosi, Town-aligned, and Third Party players are deceased, with the only survivors being “individualists” with special roles/victory conditions. In this instance, such individualists are NOT counted as Town-aligned and the game is judged a “no contest.” In practice, this would probably be a serial killer win.

In addition to these general victory conditions, most players also have individual objectives that will modify the magnitude of their own victorys/defeats. This should be noted on your role sheet. It is possible for your larger faction to “win” but you personally to suffer a defeat because of the modification of your results. Many of the “individualist” players are solely assessed on their individual victory conditions.

Remember, Capo being Capo, it is entirely possible for you to be unsure of your faction’s victory even as you remove the last known enemy from play. Many (most?...ALL?) players may have ulterior motives and all may not be quite as it seems. This is, of course, a way to make the final writeup more fun!

Wiseguy victory conditions:


Victory Conditions: If you remain loyal to the town, your victory conditions will be as below:

Town win with 41+% of original townie roles surviving = decisive victory.
Town win with 21-40% of original townie roles surviving = clear victory.
Town win with fewer than 20% of the original townie roles surviving = close victory.
Neither side wins = draw.
Town defeat with fewer than 10% of the orginal mafiosi or wiseguys surviving = close defeat.
Town defeat 11-25% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = clear defeat.
Town defeat 26+% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = decisive defeat.
-- Your personal survival moves you one category up on this scale.

If you choose to continue a life of crime, success will likely lead you to change roles and adopt those victory conditions instead.

Puts them firmly in the townie camp.


Do you concede the point, or are you still correct?

[Earthling]

If you're trying to lie to them, you failed to get everyone to overlook it, if not, those that are active can read.

Guess we'll have to do the quotes this way


Town defeat with fewer than 10% of the orginal mafiosi or wiseguys surviving = close defeat.
Town defeat 11-25% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = clear defeat.

See how you only get close defeat with:


fewer than 10% of the original mafiosi or wiseguys


fewer than 10%

and:


or wiseguys roles surviving = clear defeat


WISEGUYS ROLES SURVIVING



CLEAR DEFEAT

I think even Renata already pointed this out

[Populus Romanus]

....


You sure? :laugh4:Once you are no longer director, you can be killed at night.

¡Adios Boss Pizza!

==EDIT==

Coming from Doctor:

ATPG is indeed attempting to decieve the town. There can be no mutual victory between town and mafia. Seriously? How could anyone buy that. The town *could* go into exile, as happened in Capo II to the surviving townies, but it still counts as a town defeat.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're trying to lie to them, you failed, if not, those that are active can read.

:laugh4:

Okay...

Well the wiseguys do win with the town. But of those people remaining, which were starting wiseguy? Not all of the mafiosi.

Diana wasn't a wisegal, Niklas wasn't a wiseguy, Double A wasn't a wiseguy.

We have Askthepizzaguy and hero di classico, perhaps Krill not sure.

So that's count them up, 3.

10%? Not even close....

[Earthling]

So LazyMcCrow is the serial killer? Thanks for leaving him out, Ironside I'm sure appreciates that ;)

DaveShack could count as starting mafia too, that's definitely unknown on the town side. You obviously never even addressed this issue with the doctors, just lied and said this would work when it's not even likely it will.

Again, as it's questionable if there were even 50-60+ original mafiosi/wiseguys, and certainly not seventy, just 5 or 6 is above the cutoff and the doctors can't win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys are conveniently ignoring the part where it says "original mafiosi or wiseguys", while you blow up the other words to size 7.


So, when reason fails, increase font size.... duly noted, but it makes the thread look like dookie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So LazyMcCrow is the serial killer? Thanks for leaving him out, Ironside I'm sure appreciates that ;)

Ironside has deduced who he was for about two phases now...


DaveShack could count as starting mafia too, that's definitely unknown on the town side.

AFAIK he's an individualist role with all his win conditions completed care of Askthepizzaguy being lynched twice and Fyremarble once.


You obviously never even addressed this issue with the doctors, just lied and said this would work when it's not even likely it will.

We went over this a loooooong time ago. There are not 6 originals remaining, so you're beyond overreacting.

let's begin with the families alone. That's 3 per family, times 5, means 15. Fifteen mafiosi alone. Now count up the dead wiseguys. Count up the gangsters that were once wiseguy. How many were there? Lots.

Here, let me help you.

[Earthling]

No one is ignoring that. Why don't you definitely answer if you can and really intended to see this through for those town doctors - how many original mafiosi and wiseguys were there, and how many are left.

The answer to the first part is probably not more than 60, might even be less than 50. To the second, 4 already seem entirely accounted for, easily possible there's a fifth or sixth.

10% means fewer than 5-6 of the original mafia roles or wiseguys can survive for the doctors to win, and by your uncertain and untrustworthy count there already seem to be at least that many. They need to get rid of some of these people to win in any way, no matter what you tell them it doesn't change what's in the Role PMs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:wall: I like this wall better, it makes the pain go away.

Be right back with your count, senor Earth.

[Visor]

You do realise it says wiseguys OR mafia?

[Earthling]

Of course, the point that needs to stay is none of this changes the fact that there are enough votes to outright lynch Don Clemenza today.

The surviving town doctors are then in better shape to achieve victory no matter what with another original wiseguy gone and maybe some other one likely to die for the need of a sanctioned kill. Even if Renata and the Corleone achieving victory in one big family is the follow up, they can know they will personally win in that scenario.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Highlighting known starting mafiosi or wiseguys.


Killed = 75: Captain Black Adder [townie] (n1), Pharoah [townie] (n2), Moros [luca] (n2), ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK [townie] (n2), TinCow [detective] (n3), Xenoneb [townie] (n3), El Barto [detective] (n3), Arjos [FBI chief] (n3), Ameranth [wiseguy] (n4), Lord Winter [wiseguy] (n4), Suburban Plankton [detective] (n5), slysnake [townie] (n5), Lord Brennus [townie] (n5), Bow-wow-wow [townie] (n5), ByzantineKnight [townie] (n6), Kagemusha [serial killer] (n6), Tratorix [FBI] (n6), Raskolnikov [wiseguy] (n6), Nictel [wiseguy] (n6), J.D. [wiseguy] (n6), Visorslash [communist leader] (n7), Cecil XIX [townie] (n7), Drunk Clown [luca] (n7), Johnhughthom [wiseguy] (n7), Jolt [Made] (n7), Romanic [wiseguy] (n7), fubbleskag [doctor] (n8), Ibn-Khaldun [townie] (n8), Memnon [townie] (n8), robbiecon [townie] (n8), Andres [Special Agent] (n8), Camikaze [Made] (n8), Frozen in Ice [wiseguy] (n8), woad&fangs [townie] (n9), Zack [townie] (n9), Zim [Luca] (n9), Choxorn [townie] (n9), dcmort93 [townie] (n9), Diamondeye [wiseguy] (n10),
AggonyKing [townie] (n10), God Emperor [made] (n10), Skotsko [made] (n10), slash and earn [townie] (n10), thefluffyone93 [rogue detective] (n10), Craterus [townie] (n11), Peasant Phill [Don] (n11), Sasaki [Don] (n11), ULC [townie] (n11), Khazaar [townie] (n12), Johhog [Wiseguy] (n12), qlyphz [townie] (n12), Lewwyn [made] (n13), Monk [townie] (n13), Yaropolk [townie] (n13), Cahoma [Luca] (n14), guiri [townie] (n14), Psychonaut [detective] (n14), Scienter [Made] (n14), B_Ray [townie] (n16), gnarlycharlie [Don] (n16), Sigurd [communist recruit] (n16), Sprig [Made] (n16), Clitsome [communist] (n17), fyremarble [don] (n17), gibsonsg91921 [luca] (n17), Winston Hughes [made] (n17), Backwards Logic [Made] (n18), Believer [FBI] (n18), GamezRule [don] (n18), kennigit [Made] (n18), Secura [rogue] (n18), Bsmith (n19), Jarema (n19), Neri (n19), Tiaexz (n19), White eyes (n19), Xehh II (n19)


****NOTE: SECURA WAS STARTING WISEGAL.

Lynched = 19: Earthling [townie] (d2), a completely inoffensive name [townie] (d3), Subotan [wiseguy] (d3), Major Robert Dump [wiseguy] (d4), Ishmael [communist] (d5), Montmorency [wiseguy] (d6), landlubber [Made] (d8), Captain Blackadder [townie] (d9), Riedquat [townie] (d10), Edse [surgeon] (d11), Populus Romanus [surgeon] (d12), Crazed Rabbit [made] (d13), Sturmhauke (d15) [townie], The Stranger (d15) [rogue], BillMC [detective] (d16), Erebus (d17) [townie], shlin28 [townie] (d18), Scottishranger (d19)

Wogged = 5: bestrfcplayer (n6), cpdwane [townie] (n4), Master Necromanver [Don] (n4), taillesskangaru [townie] (n4), Silver Jan (d16)


Plus classical hero, plus Renata, plus ATPG, plus Autolycus, plus Krill, and we didn't get any reads on Bestrfc or Silver Jan and other roles. Not all rogues/doctors began as townies. That's 46.... That puts us darned near 50.

50.... and 3 starting wiseguys alive, and Renata and ATPG are mutually exclusive, cannot survive the game together as Dons. Therefore, the count is FOUR.

10% of 46 is 4.6, and the final count will be 4. And there were more starting mafia/wiseguys than that.

Okay?



Breathe into a bag.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Of course, the point that needs to stay is none of this changes the fact that there are enough votes to outright lynch Don Clemenza today

Please, by all means, lynch me today and end the pain.

[Nightbringer]

so then...

unvote, vote:ironside
unselect, select Seon