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so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance
There's not much point speculating about Mr. Cal King - he's a rogue player, and loves it. More than anything else, he will desire to upend your expectations and subvert the game. You have to drag the truth out of him like a particularly long and sticky booger through numerous hard and direct questions.
Vote: Arjos
Hey, hey, I say. If it ain't a Mafioso, my judgement may only be so-so.
Kennigit
09-15-2011, 16:57
There's not much point speculating about Mr. Cal King - he's a rogue player, and loves it. More than anything else, he will desire to upend your expectations and subvert the game. You have to drag the truth out of him like a particularly long and sticky booger through numerous hard and direct questions.
If someone has knowledge about the mafia from the very beginning because of a PM mistake, in a game with 118 (or however many there are) players, I see no reason for that person to not be removed for the game.
sucks for ACIN, but having him play "pretending" he doesn't know this information is stupid. Which is why is surprises me that earthling or anyone else may ask ACIN to reveal the name publicly, since it's just a stupid situation all around and should just be removed from the game.
ACIN should be killed by the GM or should be replaced immediately. Since the GM didn't indicate any of this, I see it as just a rather extreme metagamey lie.
If someone has knowledge about the mafia from the very beginning because of a PM mistake, in a game with 118 (or however many there are) players, I see no reason for that person to not be removed for the game.
A PM mistake that was the fault of the mafia in question - were it a GM mistake, I would agree.
There are three possible scenarios:
1. He's bluffing; we get that name out of him, realise it's wrong. ACIN ends up dead.
2. He is telling the truth; we get the name out of him, realise it is correct. Town spares ACIN's life, yippeeeeee
3. The mafia faction in question kills him and absolves of a problem.
We will get that name out of him eventually. I expect by the mid-late game there will be enough pressure on him to force it out.
TheLastDays
09-15-2011, 17:05
Vote: Chaotix
If you don't know why, good, cuz' neither do I.
Because he's Chaotix, duh. Seriously though, as much as I like bandwagons I also like spreading votes around and I'm inclined to believe that Chaotix was serious about forming his Mafia group :yes:
unvote, vote: Chaotix
as to the scandal soon to be known as ACINGate I'd say it would be a very harsh judgement to remove someone from the game on the account of an accident that was not his fault at all. If I was the host I would not reward the Mafia for such a slip and if I was acin I'd be extremely pissed if I was forced out of the game on someone else's mistake.
Last game an entire mafia family was outed due to the idiot mistake of one of its members, and Seamus let that happen. Also, it's not really game-unbalancing at all if ACIN is a wiseguy with potential to go mafia easily or a fellow mafioso from a different team, or something like that. The scenario itself isn't actually ridiculous. It's just that it's ACIN, and how he's talking about it.
SisterCoyote
09-15-2011, 17:07
Last game an entire mafia family was outed due to the idiot mistake of one of its members, and Seamus let that happen. Also, it's not really game-unbalancing at all if ACIN is a wiseguy with potential to go mafia easily or a fellow mafioso from a different team, or something like that. The scenario itself isn't actually ridiculous. It's just that it's ACIN, and how he's talking about it.
I have to admit that I don't really see, given the set-up of this game, how a PM mistake isn't very similar to someone Scummy inadvertently posting in the Game thread what was meant for the Scum thread. So, yeah.
Frozen In Ice
09-15-2011, 17:07
Vote: ULC. I was going to accuse you of unnecessary bandwagoning, but I see TinCow beat me to it. So I'll just vote for you instead.
If I have two votes, I would vote for ACIN and Earthling in an instant. The usage of the word 'Wobbly' is obvious lynch-worthy, but I couldn't care less if he is a communist. On the other hand ACIN's normaly fun behaviour in this game would not be helpful at all - more backstabbing/betrayals is definitely bad for the town, better to off a confirmed random-er earlier than later.
Vote: ACIN
sturmhauke
09-15-2011, 17:12
so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance.
Yeah, that looks pretty off to me as well. "Ooh look at me, I have secret info! Don't kill me or you'll never know it!" Yeah, sure buddy.
vote: ACIN
scotchedpommes
09-15-2011, 17:13
Vote: No Lynch
gibsonsg91921
09-15-2011, 17:27
i am tempted to vote a complelete inoffensive name because i feel like there is some weird energy around that other name he is saying, but then again it seems interesting and I want to know more about it
Vote: Skotsko because this isn't the flower child mafia, it's the lynch mob mafia.
scotchedpommes
09-15-2011, 17:29
What an excellent meatball of a reason.
May I ask you to be more specific in your reasoning, edse?
Nope
Believer
09-15-2011, 17:43
Nope
Vote: edse
Totally valid.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 17:51
"I am gonna kill Earthling along with these people: Neri ; Crazed Rabbit; Diana Abnoba; Khaan
And I am gonna laugh when he dies first night...hopefully."
Forgot about Neri participating because Neri has never talked to me. Crazed Rabbit sent his order in too late. As I have said before, go ahead and lynch me. I got books to read and a book blog to start.
I will hover around and answer questions, but otherwise I'm going inactive for tonight.
"Crazed Rabbit sent his order in too late"
Either
You made that bit up for some reason known only to yourself, which means you're a liar and need to be eliminated before you can become Made, or
You know that's true because you are both part of the same Family, which means you are Mafia and need to be eliminated before you kill us all, or
You actually believed Crazed Rabbit when he told you "sorry guy's, I meant to get in on the kill, but I missed it by that much...", which means you are a gullible yaboo who needs to be eliminated before you hurt somebody through your own inptitude.
vote: ACIN
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 18:02
or it could mean he is a Super Sexy Vampire!
robert pattison ftw!
vote: AskThePizzaGuy
I'm a newb to this board, and have only played one game with AskThePizzaGuy before, and how he is behaving here (trying to coordinate the world) may be his normal play style. But it seems to me he is trying to manipulate the world in plain sight, and I don't like it.
VOTE: Abstain
For now.
I totally missed the Night because the timer on Page 1 wasn't updated. :(
Please update in the future.
Oh, please. I stand by my statement. The Earthling case is a distraction. Early on in a game like this it is best to get as much information about what we're dealing with as possible. It's pointless to even expect good lynches at this point. The goals should be to get more information about the game set up and to get people talking so that their posts can be referenced again later. A bandwagon on someone who isn't even accused of being a mafioso is a waste of time. Lynch him by all means, there is no better candidate that I see, but spread the votes out and pressure multiple people. The Earthling wagon means you're letting 115 people walk through this day without any concerns at all. This is pretty basic mafia-wagon stuff.
How do you expect to put the necessary pressure on anyone today? It's a total roll of the dice if anyone even responds or something relevant comes up due to the enormous amount of potential posts. I'd prefer to make one person squirm and then watch the responses, or lack thereof, and then press those who remain either totally silent or are slightly scummy the next day.
Ergo, I'm not seeing how voting for Earthling is a bad thing, nor am I seeing how spreading your votes thin and making them easy to manipulate is good for the town - most nontown factions have a 3 vote block. Speaking of number of votes, does anyone have a tally? It'd be interesting to see how many people are actually voting for Earthling out 117, and whether there really is a "runaway total distraction bandwagon" on him.
classical_hero
09-15-2011, 18:37
What an excellent meatball of a reason.And it's a spicy meatball too.
scotchedpommes
09-15-2011, 18:39
I totally missed the Night because the timer on Page 1 wasn't updated. :(
Please update in the future.if you check the summary thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137997-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Information-and-Story-Summary-Thread.) you'll see the latest timer there.
DaveShack
09-15-2011, 18:54
I don't understand how there can be such a big bandwagon so soon, or how so many folk who are targeted for kills happen to also have protection. Does having more than one mafia family in town have anything to do with it? As someone who hasn't lived in Fatlington very long, all this activity so soon seems really unusual. In my experience, usually it took several nights to get anything going, and protection was a lot more miss than hit.
I'm swayed a bit more by the "he knows a secret" evidence than I am by the possibly innocent (and unfortunate) use of a codeword, so I'll vote: ACIN for now. If nothing else that will even things up a bit...
Kennigit
09-15-2011, 18:58
yeah, so I may be overreacting, I was rushing to post earlier in a like 2 minute timeframe before I had to leave. I didn't play in other capo's so I dunno how it's like exactly. If precedent showed mistakes, and since it is presumably a player's fault, that's a bit different. But this scenario wouldn't be quite the same as a public post, since people could never "unsee" a public post/you don't know who saw it or not; a PM is specific to just the ones receiving/sending it.
also true that it isn't necessarily game breaking if he was a wiseguy or something hoping to be converted to mafioso. So, either he can cough up the info freely or seek some intervention if it actually was very relevant (again, he said it was a question over role PM--if like an entire mafia role PM was quoted as opposed to just "so I can kill every night???", one scenario is more severe).
acin can at least quantify how much is at stake--if it's just 1 mafia member's name, or more pertinent information. And he can do this is private to people probably.
Kennigit
09-15-2011, 19:01
whoops forgot no edits. was just simple grammatical stuff.
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I'm a newb to this board, and have only played one game with AskThePizzaGuy before, and how he is behaving here (trying to coordinate the world) may be his normal play style. But it seems to me he is trying to manipulate the world in plain sight, and I don't like it.
Yeah, that is exactly what he is doing. The problem is, he almost always does...
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 19:13
you can edit posts right? as long as they dont have a vote in them.
Tratorix
09-15-2011, 19:24
vote: AskThePizzaGuy
I'm a newb to this board, and have only played one game with AskThePizzaGuy before, and how he is behaving here (trying to coordinate the world) may be his normal play style. But it seems to me he is trying to manipulate the world in plain sight, and I don't like it.
In other breaking news rain is wet and the sun rises in the east.
Unvote, Vote: ACIN because sportsmanship has no place in Capo.
Peasant Phill
09-15-2011, 19:29
Vote edse
Already protecting someone?
GeneralHankerchief
09-15-2011, 19:29
TALLY. Keep it updated. And no, I didn't get a trait from this.
Earthling: 12 (sasaki, acin, atpg, beskar, cahoma, diy, lazymccrow, arjos, seon, warman, ulc, khaan)
ACIN: 9 (earthling, jarema, renata, subotan, kennigit, shlin, sturmhauke, suburban plankton, tratorix)
Chaotix: 3 (fluffy, lewwyn, lastdays)
ATPG: 2 (stranger, billmc)
edse: 2 (believer, phill)
People with one vote:
Silver Jan (edse)
Visorslash (diamondeye)
Diamondeye (xehh)
Camikaze (tincow)
Arjos (psychonaut)
ULC (frozen in ice)
Skotsko (gibson)
No Lynch (Skotsko)
Abstain (Johog)
Can't vote but is still awesome (GH)
Yaropolk
09-15-2011, 19:30
"Crazed Rabbit sent his order in too late"
Either
You made that bit up for some reason known only to yourself, which means you're a liar and need to be eliminated before you can become Made, or
You know that's true because you are both part of the same Family, which means you are Mafia and need to be eliminated before you kill us all, or
You actually believed Crazed Rabbit when he told you "sorry guy's, I meant to get in on the kill, but I missed it by that much...", which means you are a gullible yaboo who needs to be eliminated before you hurt somebody through your own inptitude.
vote: ACIN
This makes me think of this: http://i53.tinypic.com/2emn0vn.jpg
But I agree, vote:ACIN
UNVOTE: Abstain
VOTE: a completely inoffensive name
Might as well, and Suburban Plankton should obviously be the next target if ACIN is scum.
No wait, he shouldn't be the next. Got the situation wrong.
Vote: Johhog The guy who posted above me.
You lucky guy! :wink3:
TALLY.
Earthling: 12 (sasaki, acin, atpg, beskar, cahoma, diy, lazymccrow, arjos, seon, warman, ulc, khaan)
ACIN: 11 (earthling, jarema, renata, subotan, kennigit, shlin, sturmhauke, suburban plankton, tratorix, Yaropolk, Johhog)
Chaotix: 3 (fluffy, lewwyn, lastdays)
ATPG: 2 (stranger, billmc)
edse: 2 (believer, phill)
People with one vote:
Silver Jan (edse)
Visorslash (diamondeye)
Diamondeye (xehh)
Camikaze (tincow)
Arjos (psychonaut)
ULC (frozen in ice)
Skotsko (gibson)
Johhog (qlyphz)
No Lynch (Skotsko)
Can't vote but is still awesome (GH) edit: updating GH's tally
Unvote; Vote: ACIN
To provide GH with something to do with the tie...
scotchedpommes
09-15-2011, 19:44
Don't edit posts with votes in them.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 19:47
This makes me think of this: http://i53.tinypic.com/2emn0vn.jpg
But I agree, vote:ACIN
Yes, regrettably, I am inexorably linked to SpongeBob. And to make matters even worse, my real first name is Gary.
For the record, my user name comes from my High School days, which were well before Mr. SquarePants made his television debut.
GeneralHankerchief
09-15-2011, 19:54
And if there is a tie, how would my adoring public like to see me break it? Choose whichever one I think most deserves the lynch, or kill 'em all?
Don't edit posts with votes in them.Don't sweat the small stuff :kiss2:
DaveShack
09-15-2011, 19:56
GH's tally missed my vote for ACIN. In too much of a hurry right now to count intervening votes and update it myself.
GeneralHankerchief
09-15-2011, 20:04
It appears I did.
UPDATED TALLY TIME!
ACIN: 13 (earthling, jarema, renata, subotan, kennigit, shlin, sturmhauke, suburban plankton, tratorix, Yaropolk, Johhog, DaveShack, Arjos)
Earthling: 11 (sasaki, acin, atpg, beskar, cahoma, diy, lazymccrow, seon, warman, ulc, khaan)
Chaotix: 3 (fluffy, lewwyn, lastdays)
ATPG: 2 (stranger, billmc)
edse: 2 (believer, phill)
People with one vote:
Silver Jan (edse)
Visorslash (diamondeye)
Diamondeye (xehh)
Camikaze (tincow)
Arjos (psychonaut)
ULC (frozen in ice)
Skotsko (gibson)
Johhog (qlyphz)
No Lynch (Skotsko)
Can't vote but is still awesome (GH)
scotchedpommes
09-15-2011, 20:18
Don't sweat the small stuff :kiss2:Wouldn't dream of doing so.
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Diamondeye
09-15-2011, 20:19
"Crazed Rabbit sent his order in too late"
Either
You made that bit up for some reason known only to yourself, which means you're a liar and need to be eliminated before you can become Made, or
You know that's true because you are both part of the same Family, which means you are Mafia and need to be eliminated before you kill us all, or
You actually believed Crazed Rabbit when he told you "sorry guy's, I meant to get in on the kill, but I missed it by that much...", which means you are a gullible yaboo who needs to be eliminated before you hurt somebody through your own inptitude.
Or the group CC'ed each other in their orders and CR's were the only one ACIN didn't get.
And if there is a tie, how would my adoring public like to see me break it? Choose whichever one I think most deserves the lynch, or kill 'em all?
Between these two? I'd say swing against ACIN if it's a tie, I simply don't think Earthling is mafia, he's like this always. I don't know if I believe ACIN's claims, but of those two, I'd pick him.
Speaking of which, unvote; vote: ACIN
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:23
Unvote; Vote: ACIN
Ready to be a replacement if you need one.
I sent ATPG a message saying I wanted to kill people, he put together the group and gave me the courtesy of choosing the target, at which point I picked Earthling.
CR sent his messages and then at the last minute sent a PM to everyone including SF saying to revoke his night orders. I asked why and he said no one else had sent them in. Diana then told us she forgot to BCC them to the rest of us but did snet them and Neri and Khaan never talked to us once.
My usual meta game style is causing everyone to not believe me, which is understandable. But at least I know that after you lynch me that Earthling will be next. Knowing how big this game is, I am sure me and Earthling will be put in again as replacements.
Ironside
09-15-2011, 20:29
I don't understand how there can be such a big bandwagon so soon, or how so many folk who are targeted for kills happen to also have protection. Does having more than one mafia family in town have anything to do with it? As someone who hasn't lived in Fatlington very long, all this activity so soon seems really unusual. In my experience, usually it took several nights to get anything going, and protection was a lot more miss than hit.
The bandwagons get big due to the number of people in this really huge game. Only about a third has even voted yet.
Activity is high due to early recruitment, mostly by experince I guess. It was less in the earlier Capo games. A lot of protection is probably due to someone arranging both the protection and the attack. The most curious one is on Slash and earn, since only two attackers indicates mafia or a possible third party, instead of townie vigs, so it was most likely a lucky save.
Usually the mafia don't attack much on night 1 since the mades are scanning for recruits. Those attacks goes up a lot when they find wiseguy recruits.
Vote: Earthling. Earthling is either commie or commie hunter (he admitted to searching out commoies) and I prefer to know which before he dies. The reveal move from ACIN is plain weird, but they make a decent first lynches combo, unless either can reveal something more useful.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-15-2011, 20:29
Unvote:Earthling
Vote:ACIN
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 20:32
so we went from lynching earthling to a supposed tie to lynching acin for what reason again?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-15-2011, 20:37
Classic Capo day one, mafia caught right off the bat. TinCow, that's how it usually goes in capo, remember? Usually someone gets busted at the very start.
Earthling is definitely the lynch. Look at this stuff!:
You guys are seriously not that good at this and lack any attention to detail. If you thought for a moment, you'd know that if there even are communists and they had such a code word, the smart thing to do is post the word "wobble" which clearly does not come up on the first Google result linking to communism and is much more likely be only noticed by fellow communists, except I knew someone would pick up on wobbly eventually and chose it completely independently cause I could.
"If you thought for a moment" you'd magically come up with the result of a weird google test that no one in their right mind would think of? Every post is like this, he's just throwing out whatever he thinks might work.
vote: ACIN
um, if the acin statement is true, is there any particular reason why in a game with 118 or whatever people a person with critically game-breaking information should be left alive? If he was townie he could just be axed/wog'd, no difference balance wise if a game had 117 or 118. If he was a different mafia group/important role, like another Don, obviously there are some balance issues with that which makes it difficult to just wog the role. I'm not from the org, but I know the ATPG (II?) used some dead players to replace other players right? ACIN could easily be replaced by a generic townie who dies early on. Even wiseguy/commie/anti-commie could probably be wogged or easily replaced by any generic townie early on death.
so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance.
it is extremely disturbing to me.
No comment at all on earthling? fos:kennigit
If I have two votes, I would vote for ACIN and Earthling in an instant. The usage of the word 'Wobbly' is obvious lynch-worthy, but I couldn't care less if he is a communist.On the other hand ACIN's normaly fun behaviour in this game would not be helpful at all - more backstabbing/betrayals is definitely bad for the town, better to off a confirmed random-er earlier than later.
Vote: ACIN
This makes no sense in many ways. Why wouldn't you care if he's a communist? What's a confirmed random-er? Why on earth would we lynch someone for not being helpful? Why are betrayals bad for the town when the town has lynched a gazillion mafiosos based on betrayals in past games?
Yeah, that looks pretty off to me as well. "Ooh look at me, I have secret info! Don't kill me or you'll never know it!" Yeah, sure buddy.
vote: ACIN
What do you think about earthling?
You actually believed Crazed Rabbit when he told you "sorry guy's, I meant to get in on the kill, but I missed it by that much...", which means you are a gullible yaboo who needs to be eliminated before you hurt somebody through your own inptitude.
When you are in a vig group in capo you CC everyone when you send in your orders. So presumably ACIN can see the late order in his inbox.
I'm swayed a bit more by the "he knows a secret" evidence than I am by the possibly innocent (and unfortunate) use of a codeword, so I'll vote: ACIN for now. If nothing else that will even things up a bit...
What's the "he knows a secret" evidence? What do you think of Earthlings defense of himself?
seireikhaan
09-15-2011, 20:38
so we went from lynching earthling to a supposed tie to lynching acin for what reason again?
Because people didn't want Earthling lynched fairly badly, so they wanted to start a wagon on someone else and other people bit on the lure. Basically.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:41
Mafia came out to protect Earthling and started a bandwagon. Just look through the votes on me and separate the mafias from the people who believed the mafia posts.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:42
Hey Sasaki, if Earthling is the guy, you better find a way to somehow get 7 people to vote for Earthling. Because right now it is 15 on me and 9 on earthling.
Dang it guys I said that I wanted Earthling lynched today and that is exactly what's going to happen
Unvote:ACIN; Vote:Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:46
14-10 ACIN-Earthling
Sasaki Kojiro
09-15-2011, 20:47
Hey Sasaki, if Earthling is the guy, you better find a way to somehow get 7 people to vote for Earthling. Because right now it is 15 on me and 9 on earthling.
You can start by switching your vote back. People are just going to make a fuss about "OH HE'S JUST GOING TO SWITCH IT RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE, BETTER MAKE SURE HE'S 20 VOTES AHEAD" anyway.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 20:48
When you are in a vig group in capo you CC everyone when you send in your orders. So presumably ACIN can see the late order in his inbox.
I wasn't saying that the order wasn't sent in late, I was saying that ACIN was naive if he believed it was sent in too late "by accident".
Of course, ACIN now tells us
I sent ATPG a message saying I wanted to kill people, he put together the group and gave me the courtesy of choosing the target, at which point I picked Earthling.
CR sent his messages and then at the last minute sent a PM to everyone including SF saying to revoke his night orders. I asked why and he said no one else had sent them in. Diana then told us she forgot to BCC them to the rest of us but did snet them and Neri and Khaan never talked to us once.
So originally CR sent his order in too late. Now he sent his order in on time, then revoked it just before the deadline. Something doesn't add up here.
seireikhaan
09-15-2011, 20:51
I wasn't saying that the order wasn't sent in late, I was saying that ACIN was naive if he believed it was sent in too late "by accident".
Of course, ACIN now tells us
So originally CR sent his order in too late. Now he sent his order in on time, then revoked it just before the deadline. Something doesn't add up here.
I find it it curious you're crusading against Acin for what is very well established as CR's fault. Though fault may be the wrong word, but basically, yeah, CR owned up and admitted that he was the one who didn't show up. So pray tell, how is this Acin's fault? It pretty much adds up if you ask me. Bad coordination happens sometimes in Capo, especially night one.
slashandburn
09-15-2011, 20:52
Vote: Earthling
another early mafia, i thought people would have been discouraged by an entire group going down last time.
and i am a townie, also looking for a job since one of my previous contacts didn't show last night, so I'm looking for a new group.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:54
You can start by switching your vote back. People are just going to make a fuss about "OH HE'S JUST GOING TO SWITCH IT RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE, BETTER MAKE SURE HE'S 20 VOTES AHEAD" anyway.
Kk. Unvote; Vote: Earthling
13-11 ACIN-Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 20:55
Vote: Earthling
another early mafia, i thought people would have been discouraged by an entire group going down last time.
and i am a townie, also looking for a job since one of my previous contacts didn't show last night, so I'm looking for a new group.
13-12 ACIN-Earthling
:wall:
No, I know my role, I'm just not specifying.
I am sure you put a lot of thought into your vote, I'm happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but Earthling is the greatest caught scumbag on round one of all time. OF ALL TIME.
2442
Kagemusha
09-15-2011, 20:55
vote:Earthling
White_eyes:D
09-15-2011, 20:56
Vote:ACIN
You can start by switching your vote back. People are just going to make a fuss about "OH HE'S JUST GOING TO SWITCH IT RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE, BETTER MAKE SURE HE'S 20 VOTES AHEAD" anyway. Was going to vote Earthling but after that self-vote?. Lose the vote on yourself and start fighting "Mr.Cal King".:bow:
johnhughthom
09-15-2011, 20:57
Tallying.
No offence GH, but if I keep doing it myself I'll know any mistakes are mine. :clown:
Impressive, so I take it Earthling does need to die, otherwise there is no point to the counter bandwagon. Either kill Earthling or tie the vote and kill them both.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:01
Vote:ACIN
Was going to vote Earthling but after that self-vote?. Lose the vote on yourself and start fighting "Mr.Cal King".:bow:
I changed my vote about 2-4 minutes before you posted this.
Earthling is obvious lynch. I really don't have to fight any anymore than I have to argue that the sky is blue. He said stupid stuff, he said scummy stuff, I have been putting a big target on my back and having some fun trying to have everyone call me by my pimp name.
Including kage vote it is
14-13 ACIN-Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:06
14-14 ACIN-Earthling
(lololol racking up my post count)
I'll go with vote: Earthling here. Too much is not quite right about his posting. While I think ACIN is also drawing some valid attention due to his posts, Earthling is the better bet between the two for now.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:10
14-15 ACIN-Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:13
14-16 ACIN-Earthling
Come one guys, you need to think a little deeper.
First- Yes, we all know ACIN is trying to get himself inducted into the mafia family he stumbled upon. Wouldn't it be better to kill him after he's already been recruited and make it a waste of that family's time, rather than get him now before there's any chance of him being real scum?
Second- Earthling is probably a communist. In the last game (I know from experience being one), Communists were third party, but NOT anti-town necessarily. They were roughly as pro-town as CI-ATPG was, and the two only had goals to kill each other. Otherwise the Commies had goals to recruit a bunch of people like a cult, but they were still essentially townies- just more powerful, capable townies.
Could the communists be different this time around? Certainly. I have no idea. But the bottom line is that neither of these lynches is good for the town.
That said, I'm not gunning for the town and I'm the third candidate after them, so I don't really care.
Vote: Earthling
Hey Sasaki, if Earthling is the guy, you better find a way to somehow get 7 people to vote for Earthling. Because right now it is 15 on me and 9 on earthling.
Unvote : Earthling
To avoid Sasaki posting "hey look at how awesome I am, I got your 7 people in less than half an hour!"
Vote : White_Eyes:D
Lol new policy. Mr. Cal King is going to be completely honest for this game, and if I die, oh well. I got books to read.
I was part of the attack group on Earthling. Trying to satisfy my symmetry that I explained earlier. I can verify Sasaki's suggestion that someone bailed. It wasn't a bail though, but someone sent in their order 60 seconds too late after the timer.
Unvote; Vote: ACIN
Ready to be a replacement if you need one.
I sent ATPG a message saying I wanted to kill people, he put together the group and gave me the courtesy of choosing the target, at which point I picked Earthling.
CR sent his messages and then at the last minute sent a PM to everyone including SF saying to revoke his night orders. I asked why and he said no one else had sent them in. Diana then told us she forgot to BCC them to the rest of us but did snet them and Neri and Khaan never talked to us once.
My usual meta game style is causing everyone to not believe me, which is understandable. But at least I know that after you lynch me that Earthling will be next. Knowing how big this game is, I am sure me and Earthling will be put in again as replacements.
One of these things is not like the other. (Underlining mine.)
Cecil XIX
09-15-2011, 21:16
vote: Chaotix
Quips like "People won't realize I'm not joking until it's too late" should be discouraged.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:16
Come one guys, you need to think a little deeper.
First- Yes, we all know ACIN is trying to get himself inducted into the mafia family he stumbled upon. Wouldn't it be better to kill him after he's already been recruited and make it a waste of that family's time, rather than get him now before there's any chance of him being real scum?
Second- Earthling is probably a communist. In the last game (I know from experience being one), Communists were third party, but NOT anti-town necessarily. They were roughly as pro-town as CI-ATPG was, and the two only had goals to kill each other. Otherwise the Commies had goals to recruit a bunch of people like a cult, but they were still essentially townies- just more powerful, capable townies.
Could the communists be different this time around? Certainly. I have no idea. But the bottom line is that neither of these lynches is good for the town.
That said, I'm not gunning for the town and I'm the third candidate after them, so I don't really care.
Vote: Earthling
I won't get inducted into the mafia family because this person would never have me join his team. Once you guys kill him, it will become obvious.
White_eyes:D
09-15-2011, 21:16
I changed my vote about 2-4 minutes before you posted this.
Earthling is obvious lynch. I really don't have to fight any anymore than I have to argue that the sky is blue. He said stupid stuff, he said scummy stuff, I have been putting a big target on my back and having some fun trying to have everyone call me by my pimp name.I was posting and check other threads.:book:
Ah, I like "Mr.Cal King" and Pizzaguy and Sasaki did bring up some nice points on Earthling...Unvote:ACIN Vote:Earthling
13-17 ACIN-Earthling
Did it for you!
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:17
One of these things is not like the other. (Underlining mine.)
You are 100% correct. Pulling my inbox right now.
Come one guys, you need to think a little deeper.
First- Yes, we all know ACIN is trying to get himself inducted into the mafia family he stumbled upon. Wouldn't it be better to kill him after he's already been recruited and make it a waste of that family's time, rather than get him now before there's any chance of him being real scum?
Second- Earthling is probably a communist. In the last game (I know from experience being one), Communists were third party, but NOT anti-town necessarily. They were roughly as pro-town as CI-ATPG was, and the two only had goals to kill each other. Otherwise the Commies had goals to recruit a bunch of people like a cult, but they were still essentially townies- just more powerful, capable townies.
Could the communists be different this time around? Certainly. I have no idea. But the bottom line is that neither of these lynches is good for the town.
That said, I'm not gunning for the town and I'm the third candidate after them, so I don't really care.
Vote: Earthling
Likewise, though more subtle. (Underlining mine again.)
Kennigit
09-15-2011, 21:21
No comment at all on earthling? fos:kennigit
Sure I will. Earthling claimed some stuff that can easily be confirmed or denied. There are parties out there that should know what earthling is claiming, and I encourage any of them to send a PM my way and see if the story checks out.
ACIN has his night action last night accounted for, in attacking earthling in a 4 person party. However I am happy to lynch acin since I'm pretty sure he just made a pretty metagamey lie, and I don't exactly see a reason to do that. And it's not particularly good to have ACIN go to ATPG (a proposed wiseguy by some? unsure, and thread is hard to follow. This is from my memory), say "I wanna kill people", then have ATPG help organise a vig kill. I.e. I'm personally not too fond of that organization. And I don't see how that would clear ACIN of being a don, as a don can appear as innocent and if I understand the rules correctly, A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others", so a don is free to send in whatever orders he wants, including sending in orders as part of a coalition with townies? If the Don cannot work with his family he may as well try to act like a full on townie.
I guess it would also be good for Neri or khaan to speak up, since according to ACIN they didn't leave a papertrail (also, khaan posted earlier he wanted earthling dead anyways in his lynch vote).
there is still 9.5 hours left or so right? Some of these claims can be identified and cleared easily.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:24
Tell me to kill people. Idc who, just tell me my partners and I will send in a kill order.
Greetings, ACIN-
Night one will be difficult. People are asking me for groups after the night has begun; folks will be missing, uncooperative, unresponsive.
However, the instant I have a viable group I will assign and send it out to you. My advice: Help me, find a couple more folks, like your old Four Horsemen buddies, perhaps, and attach yourselves to them.
When you do, contact me, I will try to fill in the blanks.
Night Two will be different. We will begin discussing actions at the beginning of the day, we will boot the dead weight from our groups and reassign them. Folks like you, who I know I can trust to perform kills because that's badass, will be given priority assignments.
I will help you. Stick with me, I know how to run this ship. Standby for orders and partners, as I get them.
You may choose your own target, however, if you want the kill to have a chance of success, allow me to make suggestions as I also know who is being protected by my groups.
I'm gonna kill Earthling. I am gonna find people to help me kill him.
mmm. Not a problem, no objection here.
If I find more people, I will direct them to you immediately.
If it's alright with you guys, I'd prefer Warman to die tonight, though I wouldn't mind going after Earthling tomorrow.
CR
Neri ; Crazed Rabbit ; a completely inoffensive name; Diana Abnoba ;
You'll need another, I'll try to persuade Khaan to join. He's doing protections but he prefers this.
I also need to know if any of you are wiseguys. Too many wiseguys and the attack will not function, I just was informed; there's fewer people required if there are wiseguys involved.
The target is going to be Earthling, as per ACIN's request. Any objections, contact me now.
If it's alright with you guys, I'd prefer Warman to die tonight, though I wouldn't mind going after Earthling tomorrow. CR
Neri ; Crazed Rabbit ; a completely inoffensive name; Diana Abnoba ; You'll need another, I'll try to persuade Khaan to join. He's doing protections but he prefers this. I also need to know if any of you are wiseguys. Too many wiseguys and the attack will not function, I just was informed; there's fewer people required if there are wiseguys involved. The target is going to be Earthling, as per ACIN's request. Any objections, contact me now.
I would rather have Earthling dealt with immediately just to cover all my bases here. Me and him got into a beef last game and he never replied to my message where I said politely "good game, sorry about the heated words. I didn't mean any of it. I was just being in my mafia game playing character."
So yeah, I got a monkey on my back telling me that Earthling might try to kill me off early, and I gotta scratch the monkey.
After Earthling dies, I am 100% down to kill Warman just to get his annoying personality out of here.
I'm down with this plan, either target is fine with me, just let me know which one, so I can send in my orders.
Very well, I'll get Earthling.
Let me know who the final member of the group is. I will be online before the deadline to send in orders.
CR
If it's alright with you guys, I'd prefer Warman to die tonight, though I wouldn't mind going after Earthling tomorrow. CR
Neri ; Crazed Rabbit ; a completely inoffensive name; Diana Abnoba ; You'll need another, I'll try to persuade Khaan to join. He's doing protections but he prefers this. I also need to know if any of you are wiseguys. Too many wiseguys and the attack will not function, I just was informed; there's fewer people required if there are wiseguys involved. The target is going to be Earthling, as per ACIN's request. Any objections, contact me now.
I would rather have Earthling dealt with immediately just to cover all my bases here. Me and him got into a beef last game and he never replied to my message where I said politely "good game, sorry about the heated words. I didn't mean any of it. I was just being in my mafia game playing character."
So yeah, I got a monkey on my back telling me that Earthling might try to kill me off early, and I gotta scratch the monkey.
After Earthling dies, I am 100% down to kill Warman just to get his annoying personality out of here.
If it's alright with you guys, I'd prefer Warman to die tonight, though I wouldn't mind going after Earthling tomorrow. CR
Neri ; Crazed Rabbit ; a completely inoffensive name; Diana Abnoba ; You'll need another, I'll try to persuade Khaan to join. He's doing protections but he prefers this. I also need to know if any of you are wiseguys. Too many wiseguys and the attack will not function, I just was informed; there's fewer people required if there are wiseguys involved. The target is going to be Earthling, as per ACIN's request. Any objections, contact me now.
I would rather have Earthling dealt with immediately just to cover all my bases here. Me and him got into a beef last game and he never replied to my message where I said politely "good game, sorry about the heated words. I didn't mean any of it. I was just being in my mafia game playing character."
So yeah, I got a monkey on my back telling me that Earthling might try to kill me off early, and I gotta scratch the monkey.
After Earthling dies, I am 100% down to kill Warman just to get his annoying personality out of here.
I'm down with this plan, either target is fine with me, just let me know which one, so I can send in my orders.
Okay folks, here's the plan.
Diana Abnoba ; a completely inoffensive name ; Crazed Rabbit ; Neri ; issaikhaan;
Attack Earthling together, naming each other as members of your vigilante team, sending the message to Seamus Fermanagh and myself for confirmation.
This group will function even if one of you forgets to send in orders.
I will kill Earthling along with these people: Neri ; ACIN; Diana Abnoba ; and Khaan.
PS ACIN you forgot to include Khaan.
CR
I will kill Earthling along with these people: Neri ; ACIN; Diana Abnoba ; and Khaan.
PS ACIN you forgot to include Khaan.
CR
Add Khaan to my orders Seamus.
Cancel night one orders. There's no one besides me and ACIN attacking.
CR
Cancel night one orders. There's no one besides me and ACIN attacking.
CR
Did the time run out?
Cancel night one orders. There's no one besides me and ACIN attacking.
CR
Did the time run out?
about 60 seconds after this pm
Hey guys,
Sorry I forgot to BCC the rest of you guys with the orders I sent for night 1, will do this from now on. This way we can all know that we all sent the orders out. I sent my order to kill Earthling with the rest of you several hours ago.
Well hopefully, everyone besides CR sent in their orders.
Hey guys,
Sorry I forgot to BCC the rest of you guys with the orders I sent for night 1, will do this from now on. This way we can all know that we all sent the orders out. I sent my order to kill Earthling with the rest of you several hours ago.
Yeah, it seemed it was just me and ACIN, so I bailed.
Sorry about that, it seems that I was the only person not there.
CR
Hey guys,
Sorry I forgot to BCC the rest of you guys with the orders I sent for night 1, will do this from now on. This way we can all know that we all sent the orders out. I sent my order to kill Earthling with the rest of you several hours ago.
These are all my inbox and my replies.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 21:24
vote:Earthling, hate your walls of text.
Our protection of Winston last night was inconclusive… :skull:
Come one guys, you need to think a little deeper.
First- Yes, we all know ACIN is trying to get himself inducted into the mafia family he stumbled upon. Wouldn't it be better to kill him after he's already been recruited and make it a waste of that family's time, rather than get him now before there's any chance of him being real scum?
Second- Earthling is probably a communist. In the last game (I know from experience being one), Communists were third party, but NOT anti-town necessarily. They were roughly as pro-town as CI-ATPG was, and the two only had goals to kill each other. Otherwise the Commies had goals to recruit a bunch of people like a cult, but they were still essentially townies- just more powerful, capable townies.
Could the communists be different this time around? Certainly. I have no idea. But the bottom line is that neither of these lynches is good for the town.
That said, I'm not gunning for the town and I'm the third candidate after them, so I don't really care.
Vote: Earthling
The underlined statement is the part that raised my eyebrows, although the entire last sentence is worthy of a deeper look. And it’s not like being third is really a threat to you at this time with all the votes on the other two… (underlining mine)
landlubber
09-15-2011, 21:29
Vote:Earthling.
I agree that it would be better to lynch a known scum than a potential scum.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:32
Cue people saying that I faked all those PMs in the 7 minutes between that post and my previous post.
Lots of posts to read this morning - good thing I woke up earlier than normal. I really don't see how Earthling was getting off earlier, his posts were blatantly scummy, although his squirming was kind of amusing to read :yes:. I agree with the others that we only have ACIN's word for his tale, but the obvious target this round should be Earthling, so:
vote: Earthling
EDIT: I meant the "PM from the mafia" tale, not the one that was presumably proven wrong by all those PMs (although I didn't quite understand what that was about anyway).
classical_hero
09-15-2011, 21:34
Come one guys, you need to think a little deeper.
First- Yes, we all know ACIN is trying to get himself inducted into the mafia family he stumbled upon. Wouldn't it be better to kill him after he's already been recruited and make it a waste of that family's time, rather than get him now before there's any chance of him being real scum?
Second- Earthling is probably a communist. In the last game (I know from experience being one), Communists were third party, but NOT anti-town necessarily. They were roughly as pro-town as CI-ATPG was, and the two only had goals to kill each other. Otherwise the Commies had goals to recruit a bunch of people like a cult, but they were still essentially townies- just more powerful, capable townies.
Could the communists be different this time around? Certainly. I have no idea. But the bottom line is that neither of these lynches is good for the town.
That said, I'm not gunning for the town and I'm the third candidate after them, so I don't really care.
Vote: EarthlingSo basically what you have said is that ACIN is definitely trying to be a mafia and Earthling propably is a communist. I would take the odds of getting someone who is definite, than a probable. So therefore my vote is obvious.
Vote:A completely inoffensive name.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:36
So basically what you have said is that ACIN is definitely trying to be a mafia and Earthling propably is a communist. I would take the odds of getting someone who is definite, than a probable. So therefore my vote is obvious.
Vote:A completely inoffensive name.
FoS You.
You taking Chaotix at his word even though I have given a counter argument and other people have shed doubt on Chaotix's allegiance?
You be trying to continue the bandwagon, scum.
Some people are going fishing today...
Vote: Abstain.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Okay folks, here's the plan.
Diana Abnoba ; a completely inoffensive name ; Crazed Rabbit ; Neri ; issaikhaan;
Attack Earthling together, naming each other as members of your vigilante team, sending the message to Seamus Fermanagh and myself for confirmation.
This group will function even if one of you forgets to send in orders.
These are all my inbox and my replies.
So which one of you guys is a wiseguy? (underline mine)
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 21:42
ACIN,
If we're to believe your wall o' quotes, the Vig group was supposed to consist of you, Diana Abnoba, Crazed Rabbit, Neri, and issaikhaan. Pizza informs you at one point that "This group will function even if one of you forgets to send in orders". In the end, CR fails to participate, leaving four of you to make the kill. The kill fails, meaning that either Pizza lied to you about your actual chances of success (shocking possibility, I know), or you are lying to us about the timing of events, the content of one or more of the PMs, or both. Since you haven't been able to keep your story straight all Day, I'm betting the liar here is you.
Cecil XIX
09-15-2011, 21:42
Cue people saying that I faked all those PMs in the 7 minutes between that post and my previous post.
There's no reason to believe you couldn't had prepared those in advance. Getting worried?
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:42
If everyone but CR sent in orders, than it would have to be CR as the wiseguy. We had 4 people and failed. Thus we didn't have a wiseguy.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:43
There's no reason to believe you couldn't had prepared those in advance. Getting worried?
Not really, considering my original statement didn't match up with my second statement as Renata pointed out. If I am preparing everything in advance here, I am doing a piss poor job of keeping it all together.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:44
ACIN,
If we're to believe your wall o' quotes, the Vig group was supposed to consist of you, Diana Abnoba, Crazed Rabbit, Neri, and issaikhaan. Pizza informs you at one point that "This group will function even if one of you forgets to send in orders". In the end, CR fails to participate, leaving four of you to make the kill. The kill fails, meaning that either Pizza lied to you about your actual chances of success (shocking possibility, I know), or you are lying to us about the timing of events, the content of one or more of the PMs, or both. Since you haven't been able to keep your story straight all Day, I'm betting the liar here is you.
So kill me.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 21:46
Not really, considering my original statement didn't match up with my second statement as Renata pointed out. If I am preparing everything in advance here, I am doing a piss poor job of keeping it all together.
I find that completely believable.
So kill me.
BANG! You're dead!
Did it work? No? OK, then I guess I'll have to settle for leaving my vote on you. Not much more I can do at this point.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:46
Alright, so I must be guilty because I haven't been able to keep my story straight, therefor I am a liar. But also, I have been planning everything in advance, so i am fooling everyone and thus must be scummy.
Therefor I planned my conflicting lies in order to put the heat on me and get myself lynched, because I am mafia! It makes perfect sense!
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 21:47
I find that completely believable.
That hurts more than any accusation. I think I will kill you next game.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 21:51
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=2442
Vote: Earthling
Xeno, Xeno dear, where are you now? So monosyllabic, your posts are. What of all the mayhem you caused last night?
'Assigning' people to groups without asking, then conveniently leaving for 15 hours -AdorethePizzagod always says, in his mozzarella-tomato-anchovian wisdom, that people who start the game by setting an 'absence calendar' are up to no good- after everyone is trying to organise? Somehow I got into a couple groups.
Never mind johnhughthom and Zack who started by proposing a defense group and then herding people into a proposed vig-kill group? Folks, you can do better than that.
So kill me.
Insert <O RLY?> owl picture here.
"This group will function even if one of you forgets to send in orders."
Apropos of nothing I'm certain of, it didn't.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 21:52
That hurts more than any accusation. I think I will kill you next game.
Nothing personal. It's just that when you (the global 'you') need to manufacture a story, you have an increased chance of accidentally making up something that doesn't quite match reality. And when you are inventing the evidence to back up your story, you run the risk of forgetting exactly what it was that you planned to say really happened, and winding up with a story that isn't quite consistent with your original claim. Then, when you try to go back and fabricate something to cover up for the original mistake, well, things start getting complicated.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 21:52
Alright, so I must be guilty because I haven't been able to keep my story straight, therefor I am a liar. But also, I have been planning everything in advance, so i am fooling everyone and thus must be scummy.
Therefor I planned my conflicting lies in order to put the heat on me and get myself lynched, because I am mafia! It makes perfect sense!
Not quite, but please drop all those lampshades.
ACIN, why were you guys so keen on wanting to kill on N1?
I admit I didn't read the entire thread because of lack of time, so if there's something in this thread that incriminated Earthling pre N1, I'd very much like you to quote that. I'd also like to know why Pizza didn't object on killing Earthling N1.
I generally do not trust people who want to kill on N1, so I'm going to FoS Pizza and the entire ACIN kill squad.
I also don't understand why town focuses so much on ACIN and lets the other members of his wannabe kill squad off the hook.
Crazed Rabbit intrigues me the most. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would let his team down.
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2011, 21:55
If everyone but CR sent in orders, than it would have to be CR as the wiseguy. We had 4 people and failed. Thus we didn't have a wiseguy.
Gotta go to work, but this is the correct answer, apologies to CR.
He was needed in the thing if in fact the group was to function, because there were also townies involved.
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 21:57
this looks like an attempt to create doctors.
I voted for Earthling before it was cool *hipster*
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:00
Nothing personal. It's just that when you (the global 'you') need to manufacture a story, you have an increased chance of accidentally making up something that doesn't quite match reality. And when you are inventing the evidence to back up your story, you run the risk of forgetting exactly what it was that you planned to say really happened, and winding up with a story that isn't quite consistent with your original claim. Then, when you try to go back and fabricate something to cover up for the original mistake, well, things start getting complicated.
I know, I was just being in character. Wasn't really hurt. And yes, your logic is completely correct. It isn't what happened this time, but like 80% of the time that is how it goes. my track record in previous games shows that I am good at keeping elaborate lies, I wouldn't slip up on the basic premise like that.
Not quite, but please drop all those lampshades.
Lol, you think being aggressive and not provide any sort of logical response will help you?
ACIN, why were you guys so keen on wanting to kill on N1?
I admit I didn't read the entire thread because of lack of time, so if there's something in this thread that incriminated Earthling pre N1, I'd very much like you to quote that. I'd also like to know why Pizza didn't object on killing Earthling N1.
I generally do not trust people who want to kill on N1, so I'm going to FoS Pizza and the entire ACIN kill squad.
I also don't understand why town focuses so much on ACIN and lets the other members of his wannabe kill squad off the hook.
Crazed Rabbit intrigues me the most. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would let his team down.
I don't know why other people were keen on killing. I wanted to kill because I like killing people in mafia games. Just like in star wars I killed because I was plain jane town person so I killed for fun. same thing this time around.
As far as I know nothing was incriminating Earthling pre night 1. The first red flag for earthling imo was the fact he had two bodyguards protect him.
Suburban Plankton
09-15-2011, 22:05
As far as I know nothing was incriminating Earthling pre night 1. The first red flag for earthling imo was the fact he had two bodyguards protect him.
Are we to read the color as saying that he had two bodyguards protecting him, or that there was a group of four killers and a group of two protectors? In the latter case since both groups were insufficient to perform the task, I assume the kill would fail.
And if we're to believe Pizza, should we just go ahead and kill CR Today instead of ACIN and/or earthling?
Or should we just off Pizza for being a busybody?
autolycus
09-15-2011, 22:08
I'll sub in if needed.
Earthling's protectors have been claimed as a townie group, for whatever that's worth, and it's known by a number of people who arranged it. He's scummy for his reaction to pressure today, but not so much for the protection. If I had to guess, the motivations had nothing to do with whatever alignment Earthling might be.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:10
Earthling's protectors have been claimed as a townie group, for whatever that's worth, and it's known by a number of people who arranged it. He's scummy for his reaction to pressure today, but not so much for the protection. If I had to guess, the motivations had nothing to do with whatever alignment Earthling might be.
Who protected him?
I only know one name myself and I'm not going to reveal it.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:13
I only know one name myself and I'm not going to reveal it.
I revealed my entire team, and you won't give one name?
As far as I can see it, the case on Earthling is based on the fact the may be a possible Commie and because he was protected by two people. In the former case, I really don't care because anyone with a townie role PM can see that if neither the town or mafia wins, the town still gets a draw, whilst if the mafia/wiseguys win, we lose. In the latter case, I believe this line is pretty informartive: "There was nobody to stop the fourth shooter, however, who moved toward Earthling and triggered a burst of fire." To me, this would imply that it was simply a failed protection group instead of anything role-related, so again, not much of a piece of evidence.
ACIN on the other hand has alternated between "Willing to die to focus on reading", "Willing to die to be a replacement" and "Not willing to die at all". His PMs prove nothing and his post splurge in the last few hours reminds me a lot of his behaviour in ATPG2 when he was nearly lynched as mafia. I had a mafia hiatus of nearly a year so I have no idea if he does this every single time he is about to be lynched, but the ACIN I remember don't seem to post as much as he does now.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 22:14
this looks like an attempt to create doctors.
What? Setting attack and vig groups on the same?
I'd still like to know who's the 'master'mind that's been having people have at each other last night.
Who protected him?
Why is this information pertinent?
Everyone who looked saw failed attack and failed protection (4 of 5 gunmen show up, 2 of 3 protectors come in. 2 Protectors take out 3 gunmen, and one gunmen isn't enough to kill earthling).
Frozen In Ice
09-15-2011, 22:15
I think all the pressure on ACIN has been very helpful in exposing more information. Now we can get down to business and lynch Earthling. Unvote, vote: Earthling.
posting from phone; excuse brevity. CR told me he bailed because he thought others, unamed, had bailed already.
So kill me.
As you wish.
Vote: ACIN
posting from phone; excuse brevity. CR told me he bailed because he thought others, unamed, had bailed already.
Where's Subotan?
We need to get him over here to tell us what's wrong with that picture.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:18
As far as I can see it, the case on Earthling is based on the fact the may be a possible Commie and because he was protected by two people. In the former case, I really don't care because anyone with a townie role PM can see that if neither the town or mafia wins, the town still gets a draw, whilst if the mafia/wiseguys win, we lose. In the latter case, I believe this line is pretty informartive: "There was nobody to stop the fourth shooter, however, who moved toward Earthling and triggered a burst of fire." To me, this would imply that it was simply a failed protection group instead of anything role-related, so again, not much of a piece of evidence.
ACIN on the other hand has alternated between "Willing to die to focus on reading", "Willing to die to be a replacement" and "Not willing to die at all". His PMs prove nothing and his post splurge in the last few hours reminds me a lot of his behaviour in ATPG2 when he was nearly lynched as mafia. I had a mafia hiatus of nearly a year so I have no idea if he does this every single time he is about to be lynched, but the ACIN I remember don't seem to post as much as he does now.
never once have I been "not willing to die". People asked me to defend myself, so I did. Also, I am willing to act in ways that almost got me revealed as a townie in order to make sure that you can't say "ACIN is acting differently, something is scummy."
ACIN doesn't have a set personality or style of posting (or at least I go out of my way to try not to).
EDIT: I think more long term than any of you can imagine when it comes to the image I project.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:20
Why is this information pertinent?
Everyone who looked saw failed attack and failed protection (4 of 5 gunmen show up, 2 of 3 protectors come in. 2 Protectors take out 3 gunmen, and one gunmen isn't enough to kill earthling).
Why would any reasonable townie want to restrict info this stage of the game?
I need some clarification on something. Is there something on the Wise-guy role PM that says they count as two villagers for vig groups or something? Because my townie PM doesn't make that distinction.
And if it does, ACIN seems to have access to the wording of that PM as well, despite not being a Wiseguy (thus not successfully killing).
Also I'm wholly opposed to outing anyone in any protection group. By outing protection groups it'd be easier to track potential doctors. Vigilante -> Wiseguy -> Mafia.
Seems common sense.
Protect your protection buddies.
Cross-post with ACIN, but I think my post answers his question.
ByzantineKnight
09-15-2011, 22:22
Vote: Sasaki
FOS: Earthling, Chaotix
First night seems to not have been too bad.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:22
As you wish.
Vote: ACIN
kthx
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:23
I need some clarification on something. Is there something on the Wise-guy role PM that says they count as two villagers for vig groups or something? Because my townie PM doesn't make that distinction.
And if it does, ACIN seems to have access to the wording of that PM as well, despite not being a Wiseguy (thus not successfully killing).
Also I'm wholly opposed to outing anyone in any protection group. By outing protection groups it'd be easier to track potential doctors. Vigilante -> Wiseguy -> Mafia.
Seems common sense.
Protect your protection buddies.
Doctors can protect someone by themselves. They don't need two people.
:inquisitive:
Really?
What part of potential did you not understand.
Also I'm wholly opposed to outing anyone in any protection group.
Ding.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-15-2011, 22:26
As you wish.
Vote: ACIN
No spamming.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:26
:inquisitive:
Really?
What part of potential did you not understand.
I really don't care about potential doctors. These potential doctors could be mafia scum fooling people. All it took for me to be put into a group was asking ATPG. All a mafioso had to do was ask ATPG "oh hey, I want to be a doctor. what can I do?" and ATPG would have shoved him onto someone.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:28
Like so:
This is a mass-PM message sent to participants in N1 action groups I helped create.
95+% of you seemed to have sent in night actions as requested;
Most of the protection groups are reliable and the vigilantes mostly did their job and the exception is accounted for.
Some of you arrived too late in the night to be placed in powerful or influential groups;
If you wish to be on the ground floor of the major, big, and proven successful teams, contact me now rather than waiting until night phase.
I will place you into protection or vigilante groups, or just which one you prefer, and will also listen to your considerations as to who to protect or vigilante kill, and propose it to the group you will be working for.
get in on the ground floor while there are still good seats.
If you want to be part of a doctor-making vig group, I need volunteers, those don't get credit towards being wiseguys.
If you want to be part of a wiseguy/rogue-making group, first come first served.
If you want to be part of the doctor-creation squad, space is limited, so is time. Contact me ASAP. I may have room for two of those tonight.
The onus is on you to get yourself a good seat. If you arrive too late, I'd be more than happy to direct you to other organizers of groups, or place you in a group which I feel is less reliable but will still function.
12 hours before night deadline, all bets are off; you have to take what you can get.
Decide on your path, and I will help take you there.
This message has been BCC'ed to protect your identities. :book: If you wish to drop from groups I assemble, please send me a PM that says "unsubscribe" or "I'm out".
Thank you.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 22:30
Why would any reasonable townie want to restrict info this stage of the game?
Good question… maaaaybe and answer that I see coming a mile off (one of those standard answers) is the typical 'I'm afraid it'll fall into the wrong hands!'. Which doesn't make that sense if you're telling people you have no proof of innocence about in private.
I really don't care about potential doctors. These potential doctors could be mafia scum fooling people. All it took for me to be put into a group was asking ATPG. All a mafioso had to do was ask ATPG "oh hey, I want to be a doctor. what can I do?" and ATPG would have shoved him onto someone.
By what right do you have to sort this out. If those two guys figure out who's bailing on them, they can come forward and give us a name. But it's Night 1, night 1 is known to be riff with badly written orders and miscommunications. There's no good reason right now to out the protection group on Earthling.
Mafia Luca's are 1 man, unless the rules have changed to force the mafia to protect don with 2 people, this discussion seems useless.
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 22:32
What? Setting attack and vig groups on the same?
I'd still like to know who's the 'master'mind that's been having people have at each other last night.
yes and its atpg...
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:33
By what right do you have to sort this out. If those two guys figure out who's bailing on them, they can come forward and give us a name. But it's Night 1, night 1 is known to be riff with badly written orders and miscommunications. There's no good reason right now to out the protection group on Earthling.
Mafia Luca's are 1 man, unless the rules have changed to force the mafia to protect don with 2 people, this discussion seems useless.
Good reason: Put the pressure on them so we can find out why they protected him and who told them to protect him.
You: Redirecting the conversation by asking me a question that in no way responds to what I have been saying.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 22:33
@The Stranger: How silly. Oh well.
How silly. Oh well.
Not really, it's what won him the last game.
If everybody is part of a conflicting attack/defend group, the mafia can't kill. It's a good strategy.
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 22:36
what is so silly about it?
GamezRule
09-15-2011, 22:37
I'm not entirely sure about anything right now but...
Earthling
Seems legit.
Also FoS: ATPG and ACIN
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 22:38
Not really, it's what won him the last game.
If everybody is part of a conflicting attack/defend group, the mafia can't kill. It's a good strategy.
-_- it was my idea but a serial killer took me out... and last game was won by scottish ranger right? or was that cdtc 2...
SisterCoyote
09-15-2011, 22:39
After careful consideration of the various accusations flying around, I'm going to
vote: Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 22:40
I wished I lived in the Golden Age.
Giving it up on the Broadway Stage.
Hang with the rats and smoke cigars.
Have a break with Frank and count the stars.
I'm not entirely sure about anything right now but...
Earthling
Seems legit.
Also FoS: ATPG and ACIN
GamezRule, you gotta put a Vote: in front of that if you want it to be "legit".
The Stranger, scottish was Capo II, but I do vaguely recall you having something to do with the attack/defend groups in Capo III.
Vote: Earthling
He seems the better choice to be lynched, out of him and ACIN.
-_- it was my idea but a serial killer took me out... and last game was won by scottish ranger right? or was that cdtc 2...
Muahaha.
Maybe I'm being really dense, but what is the case on Earthing apart from him being a Red?
Maybe I'm being really dense, but what is the case on Earthing apart from him being a Red?
It's day one and it really doesn't matter? No one has a real case yet, most people who want one are just watching responses.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-15-2011, 22:55
Maybe I'm being really dense, but what is the case on Earthing apart from him being a Red?
He was the lynch choice even before that. Start back at the beginning of the day and you can see.
Anyway, he says he's not a red. Do you think he's a red? Is he lying then?
classical_hero
09-15-2011, 22:56
Doctors can protect someone by themselves. They don't need two people.That is the whole point of ATPG's plan, to get some people attacked and then have those people protected so the wiseguy in the group would eventually become a doctor and then once a doctor become a surgeon. It is a pretty simple plan, that seems to be falling apart at the seems with the in fighting and jealousy. This is tailor made for the various mafia groups and potential wiseguy groups to cause mass chaos.
Finally caught up. Since I just finished college (International Relations, baby!) and am already working, my participation will probably be weaker than usual (Which is nothing great in the first place.)
Two comments: The wobbly comment is very well caught by ATPG. How the hell did you know about that in the first place?
Also, obvious ATPG protection is obvious. As I said, it was obvious. If anyone was gonna get protection from turn 1, it's him. Pro-tip: Leave ATPG for when his networks start crumbling down. Whoever attacked him knowingly wasted their turns.
Then tell me what my plans are, great swami.
If you can kill, kill.
If you cannot kill, protect yourself.
If you cannot protect yourself, trick others.
If you cannot trick others, fake reveal
If you cannot fake reveal, die.
Vote: Earthling
Taking into account the strangeness of the fact that ATPG knew this, if he turns out not being a communist, then this will later be used against ATPG
The Stranger
09-15-2011, 23:02
That is the whole point of ATPG's plan, to get some people attacked and then have those people protected so the wiseguy in the group would eventually become a doctor and then once a doctor become a surgeon. It is a pretty simple plan, that seems to be falling apart at the seems with the in fighting and jealousy. This is tailor made for the various mafia groups and potential wiseguy groups to cause mass chaos.
tragedy of history... i feel like Tesla
TheLastDays
09-15-2011, 23:11
He was the lynch choice even before that. Start back at the beginning of the day and you can see.
Anyway, he says he's not a red. Do you think he's a red? Is he lying then?
I just thought of an awesome song request for the Pizza Show! :D
woad&fangs
09-15-2011, 23:17
vote: earthling
Apparently we have a communist in our midst? I would just like to point out that if I was elected director we wouldn't be dealing with the Red Menace in Fatlington.
On another note, I find it impossible to hear any sort of discussion over the cacophony of voices. If you wish to discuss lynch choices, join me in my private library (PM me). Drinks are in the globe.
If I have two votes, I would vote for ACIN and Earthling in an instant. The usage of the word 'Wobbly' is obvious lynch-worthy, but I couldn't care less if he is a communist. On the other hand ACIN's normaly fun behaviour in this game would not be helpful at all - more backstabbing/betrayals is definitely bad for the town, better to off a confirmed random-er earlier than later.
Vote: ACIN
This post definitely wins the Scummiest-award. Vote: shlin28
Earthling
09-15-2011, 23:25
No, you guys are all really suggesting the wrong follow ups.
First, lynching one person a day is guaranteed to waste a ton of time and kill very few mafia, if you have to kill one townie for each one mafia to be lynched the next day. Even if you are completely blind to any claims and don't care about anything besides basic townie instinct, you should put a few of us in a tie and lynch us all today.
Second, you're not looking at the right people to be lynched when I turn out town, if you do lynch me today after all.
Chaotix is a start for seriously trying to start his own mafia group. Out of the false dichotomy candidates you're looking at though:
The town will obviously turn on pizza for coordination that is generally helping the mafia and getting people kills on the way towards becoming mafia. That happens on its own eventually, no need to make it an issue out of my lynch, but townies who already wanted pizza dead and want to help the town in general would do well to not lynch me, distant third candidate votes as always don't matter.
Likewise ACIN is his own issue and nothing about his or my identity really confirms anything about the other that people are questioning here. He can be examined and rightly lynched on his own for faking a mafia contact that doesn't exist or just trying to be recruited into the mafia.
What I would request, is that if you lynch me today and he's not already dead, you guys kill Sasaki immediately after you get the reveal I'm a townie. He is by far the scummiest one pushing the bandwagon, far too much effort into this lynch for no reason he's given against me other than that I acted like a townie would act. It's quite possible he knows he is purposefully disrupting townie groups and efforts.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:30
First, lynching one person a day is guaranteed to waste a ton of time and kill very few mafia, if you have to kill one townie for each one mafia to be lynched the next day. Even if you are completely blind to any claims and don't care about anything besides basic townie instinct, you should put a few of us in a tie and lynch us all today.
Why don't we just have 99% of the entire group in a tie with one vote on each person. The only person to not have a vote statistically will be a townie. Then the game can end in a day and we can miss the point of having fun with the game.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 23:31
No, you guys are all really suggesting the wrong follow ups.
First, lynching one person a day is guaranteed to waste a ton of time and kill very few mafia, if you have to kill one townie for each one mafia to be lynched the next day. Even if you are completely blind to any claims and don't care about anything besides basic townie instinct, you should put a few of us in a tie and lynch us all today.
Second, you're not looking at the right people to be lynched when I turn out town, if you do lynch me today after all.
Chaotix is a start for seriously trying to start his own mafia group. Out of the false dichotomy candidates you're looking at though:
The town will obviously turn on pizza for coordination that is generally helping the mafia and getting people kills on the way towards becoming mafia. That happens on its own eventually, no need to make it an issue out of my lynch, but townies who already wanted pizza dead and want to help the town in general would do well to not lynch me, distant third candidate votes as always don't matter.
Likewise ACIN is his own issue and nothing about his or my identity really confirms anything about the other that people are questioning here. He can be examined and rightly lynched on his own for faking a mafia contact that doesn't exist or just trying to be recruited into the mafia.
What I would request, is that if you lynch me today and he's not already dead, you guys kill Sasaki immediately after you get the reveal I'm a townie. He is by far the scummiest one pushing the bandwagon, far too much effort into this lynch for no reason he's given against me other than that I acted like a townie would act. It's quite possible he knows he is purposefully disrupting townie groups and efforts.
Any other way to lynch more than one person per night, Mr. Smartypants?
Earthling
09-15-2011, 23:34
Every townie knows how absurdly bad it would be to lynch me, then you, then pizza, all one day at a time. Despite your claims to be town and not care about dying, you seem to be desperate not to die and maybe you are hoping to hold off a day or two more, but it's obvious to plenty of people you and pizza will die when you have confirmed townie deaths at your hands. The point is to save the town trouble and lots of wasted time.
Earthling
09-15-2011, 23:35
Any other way to lynch more than one person per night, Mr. Smartypants?
Um, yeah. I'll personally recognize that you've given the best justification for a vote against me that anyone has given though, if you honestly didn't read the rules.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:36
Every townie knows how absurdly bad it would be to lynch me, then you, then pizza, all one day at a time. Despite your claims to be town and not care about dying, you seem to be desperate not to die and maybe you are hoping to hold off a day or two more, but it's obvious to plenty of people you and pizza will die when you have confirmed townie deaths at your hands. The point is to save the town trouble and lots of wasted time.
I have played this game before. "Everyone knows i am right when I say, blah blah blah." No, not really.
This is what you always do to force something before info comes out. You try to establish the results of something before it actually happens and tell people to act on that.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 23:36
Um, yeah. I'll personally recognize that you've given the best justification for a vote against me that anyone has given though, if you honestly didn't read the rules.I read them a long time ago. Still haven't explained what your big awesome plan is. I'm half-tempted to go with acin's scheme, you know.
Earthling
09-15-2011, 23:39
I read them a long time ago.
All you have to do is have a tie vote and the Director can lynch multiple people. Nobody can honestly believe it's a smart move to lynch one of ACIN or me today and the other tomorrow regardless (alignment won't even be revealed by the GM yet). That's obviously completely wasting the town's time on lynches.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:41
All you have to do is have a tie vote and the Director can lynch multiple people. Nobody can honestly believe it's a smart move to lynch one of ACIN or me today and the other tomorrow regardless (alignment won't even be revealed by the GM yet). That's obviously completely wasting the town's time on lynches.
There are 110+ people in this game. What are you trying to rush? I think that is what people should be wondering.
Very first day to lynch and you are trying to say, 'We need to kill as many people as possible. Lynch everyone on the day when no one has any info!"
All you have to do is have a tie vote and the Director can lynch multiple people. Nobody can honestly believe it's a smart move to lynch one of ACIN or me today and the other tomorrow regardless (alignment won't even be revealed by the GM yet). That's obviously completely wasting the town's time on lynches.
Says the man with the 666th post...
:clown:
I'm getting a bad vibe from you, anyway, so Vote: Earthling
Every townie knows how absurdly bad it would be to lynch me, then you, then pizza, all one day at a time. Despite your claims to be town and not care about dying, you seem to be desperate not to die and maybe you are hoping to hold off a day or two more, but it's obvious to plenty of people you and pizza will die when you have confirmed townie deaths at your hands. The point is to save the town trouble and lots of wasted time.
Actually this is not wrong and I do think that tied votes could have their place. (Not now, though, GH should get his hands dirty and make a choice if it comes to that today.) This is the main argument FOR vigilante kills, despite the considerable risk. It will probably not be possible to get all the mafia dead fast enough with townies hitting a few of them at night.
Your argument against Sasaki is pure OMGUS, though. There's not actually anything wrong with the case against you.
with*out* townies, blahblahblah. Can't type today.
Earthling
09-15-2011, 23:44
There are 110+ people in this game. What are you trying to rush?
You're the one who wanted to kill as many people as possible the first night, isn't that right?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-15-2011, 23:45
Nobody can honestly believe it's a smart move to lynch one of ACIN or me today and the other tomorrow regardless (alignment won't even be revealed by the GM yet). That's obviously completely wasting the town's time on lynches.
The town can form 10+ vig groups if it wants. This is another of your ridiculous arguments...
El Barto
09-15-2011, 23:45
All you have to do is have a tie vote and the Director can lynch multiple people. Nobody can honestly believe it's a smart move to lynch one of ACIN or me today and the other tomorrow regardless (alignment won't even be revealed by the GM yet). That's obviously completely wasting the town's time on lynches.
OK, since you're both completely hogging the thread we should lynch you both. Amirite?
x-post edit: never mind what Sasaki's said, vig groups can always be formed.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:45
You're the one who wanted to kill as many people as possible the first night, isn't that right?
Actually no. I wanted to just kill you.
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:46
OK, since you're both completely hogging the thread we should lynch you both. Amirite?
Lol you should have seen ATPG's game a few months back. I think there was literally like 30-40 posts of me and him going back forth.
GeneralHankerchief
09-15-2011, 23:47
Can we get an updated tally? I did my Directorly duty a few hours ago and don't really feel like it now.
Where's Subotan?
We need to get him over here to tell us what's wrong with that picture.
I was down the pub, fyi. What is wrong with that picture?
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:49
Can we get an updated tally? I did my Directorly duty a few hours ago and don't really feel like it now.
I think it is 15 me and like 20 or 21 Earthling.
El Barto
09-15-2011, 23:49
Actually no. I wanted to just kill you.
Many people do, every single game.
Lol you should have seen ATPG's game a few months back. I think there was literally like 30-40 posts of me and him going back forth.
That's why I quit last time, to my great regret, because there was no point in playing the game.
Can we get an updated tally? I did my Directorly duty a few hours ago and don't really feel like it now.
For a few kippers, this kitten could do it. Just post a linky to the latest tally and i'll work from there.
Earthling 26
Mr. Caulking (ACIN) 16
Next closest is Chaotix 4
a completely inoffensive name
09-15-2011, 23:52
That's why I quit last time, to my great regret, because there was no point in playing the game.
Alright then, I will shut up. I don't want to ruin the game for people.
Every townie knows how absurdly bad it would be to lynch me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Now where did I read this before...?
classical_hero
09-15-2011, 23:59
Lol you should have seen ATPG's game a few months back. I think there was literally like 30-40 posts of me and him going back forth.That was fun to read, not. Most of that was just skipped when I tried to read that game. Is it going to be deja vu again? If so i hope one of you get lynched tonight, which seems likely and then the other gets offed during the night and we will have some sense of peace in this game.
Populus Romanus
09-16-2011, 00:00
The case on Earthling is more than insane, it is psychotic. He says the word wobbly and we lynch him? :wall:
vote: abstain
The case on Earthling is more than insane, it is psychotic. He says the word wobbly and we lynch him? :wall:
vote: abstain
So you haven't read anything beyond the issue with the word wobbly, or are you trying to cover for a communist buddy?
He admitted himself he used the word to try and trick the communist. Are you just going to conveniently overlook this fact?
FoS: Populus Romanus
Riedquat
09-16-2011, 00:16
Vote: abstain
El Barto
09-16-2011, 00:17
Alright then, I will shut up. I don't want to ruin the game for people.
Don't take it that harshly, it's not that I don't want you to post, but if we're having a re-edition of that last one I'll just wait until both of you are dead and post only who I'm voting for. If by the time you're both dead I'm still alive and interested in playing I might bother to post some arguments.
Winston Hughes
09-16-2011, 00:22
vote: Earthling
The wobbly thing is too large to ignore.
El Barto
09-16-2011, 00:25
Another reason for you two to pipe it down is that we have a couple dozen people with one posts and another couple dozen with 2 and so on. People can lurk quite comfortably with this thread-hogging.
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 00:26
Don't take it that harshly, it's not that I don't want you to post, but if we're having a re-edition of that last one I'll just wait until both of you are dead and post only who I'm voting for. If by the time you're both dead I'm still alive and interested in playing I might bother to post some arguments.
I know, I wasn't taking it personally. I just realize that people got annoyed last time me and Earthling argued and I didn't want to annoy 100+ people from participating in the game until we were dead.
Populus Romanus
09-16-2011, 00:27
Can someone explain to me why El barto and ACIN don't like one another? I feel left out.
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 00:30
Can someone explain to me why El barto and ACIN don't like one another? I feel left out.
There's no harsh feelings. El Barto was just reminding me that people don't care for back and forth arguments between two people for very long and I was acknowledging that by agreeing to simmer down with my post count.
My PM box has been cleared, for whoever was trying to get through.
Populus Romanus
09-16-2011, 00:36
There's no harsh feelings. El Barto was just reminding me that people don't care for back and forth arguments between two people for very long and I was acknowledging that by agreeing to simmer down with my post count.Okay, thank you.
[b]Vote: edse/b]
For not defending his vote.
Guiri gonna need to revote for that vote to count
The wobbly thing is too large to ignore.
Quote of the game. :laugh4:
El Barto
09-16-2011, 00:57
[b]Vote: edse/b]
For not defending his vote.
As I've pointed out, many people have just said 'vote:X' and hid among the cluster of spam that happened these last couple hundred posts.
Vote: Abstain
So... Many... Words...
I'm looking to join a protection group. If anyone would like my assistance, please contact me.
GamezRule
09-16-2011, 01:22
Derp.
Vote: Earthling
Seems slightly more legit.
sturmhauke
09-16-2011, 01:23
Why would any reasonable townie want to restrict info this stage of the game?
And yet, you refuse to give us the name of the supposed accidental mafia communique you received (unless I missed it). It's their own damn fault for being careless, if I had received such a thing I wouldn't hang on to it for some misguided sense of game balance.
What do you think about earthling?
He looks fishy too, maybe I'll vote for him tomorrow.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-16-2011, 01:25
There's no harsh feelings. El Barto was just reminding me that people don't care for back and forth arguments between two people for very long and I was acknowledging that by agreeing to simmer down with my post count.
Because no one wants to read though 15 pages of arguments for 1 or 2 phrases! :laugh4:
bestrfcplayer
09-16-2011, 01:26
So, what's happened so far?
sturmhauke
09-16-2011, 01:26
Oh yeah, the Director thing.
Select: GH
bestrfcplayer
09-16-2011, 01:28
Random vote says: Erebus
Random vote says: Erebus
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Sasaki Kojiro
09-16-2011, 01:30
Random vote says: Erebus
I wonder if tonight random vig kill will say "bestrfcplayer".
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 01:33
And yet, you refuse to give us the name of the supposed accidental mafia communique you received (unless I missed it). It's their own damn fault for being careless, if I had received such a thing I wouldn't hang on to it for some misguided sense of game balance.
That's you, not me. I want people to enjoy the game. I want people to be on the edge of their seats not knowing what is going to happen next. I want people to go, "wow, what just happened?".
Spilling the beans on one of the mafia right off the start, doesn't accomplish that.
bestrfcplayer
09-16-2011, 01:37
I wonder if tonight random vig kill will say "bestrfcplayer".
I haven't really been following this so....... don't blame me :p
I haven't really been following this so....... don't blame me :p
Then you should abstain until such a time that you plan to follow it and vote with confidence.
edit:
Either that, or just dont let on that you're being random. :laugh4:
bestrfcplayer
09-16-2011, 01:47
Then you should abstain until such a time that you plan to follow it and vote with confidence.
That was my day one vote though.
Craterus
09-16-2011, 01:47
vote: ACIN
That was my day one vote though.
See, therein lies the problem.
There were no votes on Day 1.
I'm gonna go check to see if rfc actually voted yesterday. If not, we may have caught real, unfortunately-not-paying-attention-scum in a lie.
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 01:51
vote: ACIN
Great reasoning.
That was my day one vote though.
fos: bestrfcplayer
You cast no votes until your "random" one.
Kennigit
09-16-2011, 01:58
Again, I'd like to restate that Earthling is claiming something very specific and those parties interested--the people who should know--I wish to PM me and see if the story checks out.
similarly if Neri or khaan spoke up that would be greatly beneficial.
also earthling, no need to have multiple lynches first day since the town can easily form many many vig groups in the night.
Didn't Neri speak up already?
Edit: Post 621 Neri claims that he received word that Crazed Rabbit (CR) had dropped out, supporting ACIN claim.
I think ACIN is innocent.
Vote: Earthling
Craterus
09-16-2011, 02:22
Great reasoning.
Since you asked so nicely...
You'll always be a question mark which will only serve as an unwanted distraction in later votes. And I hate (hate hate) that "I'm busy IRL so I don't care if I get lynched" gambit.
Also, how many mafia names were revealed to you? If it was just one, I'd make it public. There's no reason not to capitalise on a mistake, even if it was an 'accident'.
Clitsome
09-16-2011, 02:26
Vote: ACIN
I've been up way too long reading this thread. Someone needs to hang for ruining my beautysleep.
scottishranger
09-16-2011, 02:29
Wow I go to school and a soccer game and come home to see iv missed the bandwagon...
I think what everyone is missing is that why would Seamus put more commies in? Commies were last game, hes going to move forward. Dont get me wrong, I would love for their to be communists(their role in this kind of game fascinates me) but I just dont see Seamus repeating himself. Hes gonna go for something more original.
ACIN's case is... different and im not sure i really understand it wholly. Ill come back to it and I think the town should keep a close eye on his future actions. Might i suggest a scan of him tonight?
After saying that though, I dont think Earthlings done a great job defending himself in his posts. They seem filled with OMGUS and his postings are getting desperate. and I dont really believe him to be a pro-town role. soooo Vote: Earthling
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 02:29
Since you asked so nicely...
You'll always be a question mark which will only serve as an unwanted distraction in later votes. And I hate (hate hate) that "I'm busy IRL so I don't care if I get lynched" gambit.[QUOTE]
Have you seen my contest? It's a big challenge for me.
[QUOTE]
Also, how many mafia names were revealed to you? If it was just one, I'd make it public. There's no reason not to capitalise on a mistake, even if it was an 'accident'.
I have already explained why I do not want to reveal his name yet.
Have you seen my contest? It's a big challenge for me.
Don't play the "I'm busy in RL" card when you have the most posts in the thread.
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 02:47
Don't play the "I'm busy in RL" card when you have the most posts in the thread.
My quarter doesn't start until the 22nd.
Yeah, that is exactly what he is doing. The problem is, he almost always does...
Fairynuff.
I've nothing to really say about Earthling (as the runaway vote leader at present) but if my luck follows me from other mafia games on different boards, my time in this life is rather short (and real world travel is beckoning). So I'll say this, AskthePizzaGuy and Renata are both criminals.
Backwards Logic
09-16-2011, 02:56
Wow, I come back to about 10 pages of posts to go through, resulting in two bandwagons. I deduce this from reading:
Bandwagon on Earthling is due to the word 'wobbly' and his spirited not-so-good/squirmy defense he threw up.
Bandwagon on ACIN is due to the vig hit that failed to happen, his 'knowledge' of something game-breaking and refusing to reveal it, and in a few isolated cases, choosing a 'suspicious' moniker for everyone to follow.
Personally, with the deadline so near I see no reason to tack on to either Earthling or ACIN. This early, both bandwagons have some legitimacy to them, so I can't the premise behind either. Instead, I'd like to cast something else I picked up on. Maybe it's common knowledge and I've missed it somewhere, but ULC's post 520 mentions this:
most nontown factions have a 3 vote block.
So, how on Earth do you know this?
Vote: ULC.
scottishranger
09-16-2011, 02:59
So, how on Earth do you know this?
Vote: ULC.
Mafia familys start out with a don, a luca, and a made. This gives them three votes. I also believe last time the commies came in 3s too.
SisterCoyote
09-16-2011, 03:01
Fairynuff.
I've nothing to really say about Earthling (as the runaway vote leader at present) but if my luck follows me from other mafia games on different boards, my time in this life is rather short (and real world travel is beckoning). So I'll say this, AskthePizzaGuy and Renata are both criminals.
Wait.
What?
White_eyes:D
09-16-2011, 03:02
So I'll say this, AskthePizzaGuy and Renata are both criminals.As in scum or just wannabe but soon to be so? Need more then your word here.:inquisitive:
Mafia familys start out with a don, a luca, and a made. This gives them three votes. I also believe last time the commies came in 3s too.
Confirmed, but we didn't know each other from the beginning.
Fairynuff.
I've nothing to really say about Earthling (as the runaway vote leader at present) but if my luck follows me from other mafia games on different boards, my time in this life is rather short (and real world travel is beckoning). So I'll say this, AskthePizzaGuy and Renata are both criminals.
Is this a detective read? Criminal can be Townie, Wise Guy, Made or Luca. So don't necessarily jump to conclusion on this. I really hope you aren't a detective that just revealed.
scotchedpommes
09-16-2011, 03:10
Is this a detective read? Criminal can be Townie, Wise Guy, Made or Luca. So don't necessarily jump to conclusion on this. I really hope you aren't a detective that just revealed.Not that you'd draw attention to this, no.
Diana Abnoba
09-16-2011, 03:15
ACIN or Earthling? Which to choose, well I want you both dead (just to have less than 5 pages to read) :dizzy2: :laugh4:.
Earthling; the wobbly thing is a problem (esp. since you did say you were trying to contact the Reds yourself), and you seem to be getting desperate to stay alive. Somethings off with you here.
ACIN; You won't reveal the mafia person you know, but you revealed your whole team last night, bad, bad boy. Are you trying to get recruited into that mafia family?
Well I say lets get rid of you both if we can, make this a tie. I think that Earthling is up a few over you my friend ACIN so...
Vote: ACIN
OOC:
On more of a personal note, my boyfriend was downgraded to a regular room today from the ICU. He is not yet out of the woods but not as critical now (thank God!!) Thanks again to all that posted/sent well wishes. :bow:
classical_hero
09-16-2011, 03:16
So, how on Earth do you know this?
Vote: ULC.It's in the rules, so go back and read them.
@Diana, that is good news.
White_eyes:D
09-16-2011, 03:19
Does our dear Benevolent GH support the double-lynch mechanic?:grin2:
vote: Seon
Putting his name out there as someone who will require closer scrutiny as the game progresses, as should anyone who submits orders and then doesn't turn up; what were you doing instead, Seon?
Shrug. I am not the one who did not show up. Seamus sent me a PM CC'ed to all 4 of you saying that "Protection succeeded."
Shrug. I am not the one who did not show up. Seamus sent me a PM CC'ed to all 4 of you saying that "Protection succeeded."
And he sent me one stating that myself and two of the others (all three of us as visible recipients) received credit for a successful action, meaning that you and the fifth person did not get that PM; now, I know that the other person sent their orders late and thus was unlikely to be counted, but you sent yours well in advance and even stated in the title for Seamus to "ignore prior orders".
So I ask again, what were you doing that prevented you from showing up?
Vote: Earthling since I'm not one to leave a job unfinished.
Earthling
09-16-2011, 03:36
All right, so we're going to lynch ACIN, and people who are unsure, haven't read, want a meaningless vote on a third party or something -here's the reason:
I protected slash and earn last night from what clearly looks like be a mafia sanctioned hit. (along with two other townies who of course are not going to be revealed by me here) Mafia wanted him dead for organizing town protection groups as he was being open about, instead we saved him.
About a dozen people should know I'm one of the ones responsible for protecting slash and earn before now. Of course, any number more could know from information leaks. I don't at all doubt some mafia are in the votes to kill me on purpose for being a townie who was trying to protect people, anyone could have known that last night. With Chaotix for instance we both mutually know that I declined to participate in his group to kill people and work their way up to mafia and instead said I'd be doing protection.
Whether I die or not, anybody out there who has heard a second hand claim I protected slash and earn specifically should take a look at the person who passed that along and what else they've done, you know the sort of things that would look bad when I flip townie.
And of course I'm a townie, not a communist, but nobody is likely to hear from any FBI anytime soon, whether you believe I'm already in contact with them or the communists or not (not on all counts, afaik). Of course given any time if detectives do scan me they'd find I'm a townie, or find whatever other people involved are, they might or might not have enough scans to use on many various people and I'm fine with that, not asking them for particular scans, detectives will work on their own for the town regardless.
slashandburn
09-16-2011, 03:37
I'm interested in slysnake's wounding, why is he wounded? In previous capos you were either dead or bruised a bit but otherwise unharmed, i've never heard of wounding before, we definitely need to look more into that.
And I say again, as I explained to pizza earlier, that I have no idea why that happened. My Sent item box does not contain any other orders except for the one I cancelled in order to join yours in order to gain protection credit. In the end, I got none and only ended up getting suspected because of it.
I already issued a complaint to Seamus about it.
Vote: Seon
I'm sure I've seen you vote already this round, which means that this vote is unlikely to count without first unvoting.
want a meaningless vote on a third party
It may be meaningless to you, but I stand by my vote regardless; why throw my vote in with something I don't agree with? I don't buy into the cases against you or ACIN.
In the end, I got none and only ended up getting suspected because of it.
You got no credit for it because you didn't turn up! Check the writeup (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137997-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Information-and-Story-Summary-Thread.&p=2053373882&viewfull=1#post2053373882) and see for yourself!
The write up shows 3 cars arriving and a fourth arrive "late" that would explain Secura's story of 3 people successfully putting in Orders and one person with late orders.
However, you didn't show up. And unless Seamus agrees to somehow being his fault this means you either:
a) Wrote your orders wrong or sent them to the wrong person.
b) Are lying through your teeth, which means you should hang (unlikely as why protect a High Profile target like ATPG and then not show up)
c) Are of a role that can't be part of protection parties, thus most likely guilty.
I'll remove my vote when some other cause then "obviously fishy" is shown.
Unvote: Earthling
Vote: Seon
Sorry, still rather new, not used to unvoting.
Crazed Rabbit
09-16-2011, 03:49
Boy I love coming back and seeing all my capo communications pasted in the thread.
:stare:
That's for you ACIN.
The PMs (at least from my skimming of them) are correct. I dropped because ACIN was the only one to CC me.
vote: earthling
If I not only had my actions get revealed, but all my communications, you certainly aren't going to hide who you were working with and live.
CR
Earthling
09-16-2011, 03:49
Actually I agree Seon could is lying about his participation in Secura's group, what Seon is implying does not sound like the correct format nor how protection groups seem to receive results matching my own experience and Secura is making sense. That's a fine lynch too, I'm not against trying that, just need a lot of votes to get it to work.
unvote: ACIN
Vote: Seon
a completely inoffensive name
09-16-2011, 03:50
Earthling; the wobbly thing is a problem (esp. since you did say you were trying to contact the Reds yourself), and you seem to be getting desperate to stay alive. Somethings off with you here.
Ugh, whatever. I lied, it wasn't a mafia person. It is a third party role. He is all by himself with his role and I didn't want to ruin it for him. I only said mafia because I wanted the attention.
The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.
Have your free kill. Sorry Stranger, I done messed up. I should have kept my mouth shut about the mix up, but there will be other games.
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