Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Seon]

a) Wrote your orders wrong or sent them to the wrong person.

That's impossible because I CC'ed the orders to 4 people. Seamus, ATPG, Secura, and somebody else. Secura already confirmed it herself.

If the other person quoted my PM and said "sure, that's fine," and apparently STILL got a protection credit according to ATPG, there's absolutely no reason why my orders couldn't be counted.

As for the other points, there is absolutely no way for me to deny it right now. I am just a normal Joe townie who joined a protection racket set up by ATPG and somehow got this mess thrown at myself.

I'll wait till I hear from Seamus before I say anything more.

[Erebus]

This reveal was pretty silly, you were behind by 10+ votes and tomorrows lynch targets was all but picked out (assuming he survived the night).

[a completely inoffensive name]

This reveal was pretty silly, you were behind by 10+ votes and tomorrows lynch targets was all but picked out (assuming he survived the night).

If Earthling is innocent, I was next on the chopping block. I am not an idiot. If I had not revealed I would have either been killed during Night or everyone would have asked for the reveal to prevent my lynch in day 3.

[Seon]

This reveal was pretty silly, you were behind by 10+ votes and tomorrows lynch targets was all but picked out (assuming he survived the night).

And what do I lose from revealing myself, Erebus? If I am shown to be not lying and if Secura relents back, everybody instantly knows that I am a townie. Only townies would band together in an protection racket set up by ATPG in order to gain protection credits to help other townies become Rogue Detectives or doctors. By accusing me, Secura already outed me and herself as a Joe townie.

[glyphz]

Unvote: Johhog; Vote: The_Stranger

This ('wagon) I'd like to see.

[Erebus]

And what do I lose from revealing myself, Erebus? If I am shown to be not lying and if Secura relents back, everybody instantly knows that I am a townie. Only townies would band together in an protection racket set up by ATPG in order to gain protection credits to help other townies become Rogue Detectives or doctors. By accusing me, Secura already outed me and herself as a Joe townie.

This was a cross-post. I was actually talking to ACIN.

[Seon]

Oh, man.

Stranger, you don't have the best of luck in roles of mafia, do you?...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Smart thing to do to verify what i have said is just to vig kill him.

[Secura]

The write up shows 3 cars arriving and a fourth arrive "late" that would explain Secura's story of 3 people successfully putting in Orders and one person with late orders.

The writeup only shows three cars, with the third having to speed up to cover the absence of a fourth car; the number of protectors is not specified, but the credit for the action only went to myself and two others, which suggests that only three people were present.


That's impossible because I CC'ed the orders to 4 people. Seamus, ATPG, Secura, and somebody else. Secura already confirmed it herself.

This is completely correct and isn't something I dispute; Seon did send orders to protect our target, well in advance of the rest of us. What I actually dispute is that he did not receive credit for the protection, but I'll wait for his clarification from Seamus before I push further; I'd like to know as soon as you do though, Seon.


This reveal was pretty silly

Hardly; even if it's too late to overturn the vote against ACIN/Earthling now, we've got a darn good candidate for the following day phase and this means ACIN's information is out in the open, however metagame-y it's origins.

unvote, vote: The Stranger

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am worried this will turn into a situation where people will switch their votes to Stranger, but it won't be enough and it will be all former Earthling voters which will put me in the lead.

[Erebus]

The writeup only shows three cars, with the third having to speed up to cover the absence of a fourth car; the number of protectors is not specified, but the credit for the action only went to myself and two others, which suggests that only three people were present.



This is completely correct and isn't something I dispute; Seon did send orders to protect our target, well in advance of the rest of us. What I actually dispute is that he did not receive credit for the protection, but I'll wait for his clarification from Seamus before I push further; I'd like to know as soon as you do though, Seon.



Hardly; even if it's too late to overturn the vote against ACIN/Earthling now, we've got a darn good candidate for the following day phase and this means ACIN's information is out in the open, however metagame-y it's origins.

unvote, vote: The Stranger

My point is I was actually silently cheering ACIN resolve to take that secret to the grave. Granted he set himself up with the whole "I have a secret you don't know" post.

You're right about the write up, I was thinking about the shooter mentioned in the write-up (that took out the bat) as the "first" in my head.

unvote, vote: The Stranger

[Earthling]

I don't think it's necessarily too late at all to overturn any votes, especially with the people not voting.

We could go for ACIN's named bad guy which will eventually give a reveal and evidence towards ACIN's guilt status completely independently, though I agree with Secura's case that someone is unexplainedly missing from her protection group. Anyway, better than lynching me for protecting other townies and having to wait three to four days to follow up on real suspects. The votes today were decent for information of course but if we can get a lynch that succeeds for the town even better.

[a completely inoffensive name]

My point is I was actually silently cheering ACIN resolve to take that secret to the grave. Granted he set himself up with the whole "I have a secret you don't know" post.

You're right about the write up, I was thinking about the shooter mentioned in the write-up (that took out the bat) as the "first" in my head.

unvote, vote: The Stranger

You should have said something. I said I didn't want to have the game play out like this and everyone kept replying and PMing me to just say it. my impression was that no one cared if someone was exposed first day due to a slip up.

[Earthling]

I am worried this will turn into a situation where people will switch their votes to Stranger, but it won't be enough and it will be all former Earthling voters which will put me in the lead.

I think I've made it clear I'm not particularly trying to lynch you either, only for a lack of alternatives, and would be behind a plurality Stranger vote should the evidence there be obviously true.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I don't think it's necessarily too late at all to overturn any votes, especially with the people not voting.

We could go for ACIN's named bad guy which will eventually give a reveal and evidence towards ACIN's guilt status completely independently, though I agree with Secura's case that someone is unexplainedly missing from her protection group. Anyway, better than lynching me for protecting other townies and having to wait three to four days to follow up on real suspects. The votes today were decent for information of course but if we can get a lynch that succeeds for the town even better.
EDIT: nvm

[a completely inoffensive name]

I think I've made it clear I'm not particularly trying to lynch you either, only for a lack of alternatives, and would be behind a plurality Stranger vote should the evidence there be obviously true.

Want to both switch our votes to Stranger in a symbolic gesture?

​unvote; Vote: Stranger

[White_eyes:D]

​unvote; Vote: Stranger Think it's too late though...

[a completely inoffensive name]

What is the tally?

[Populus Romanus]

unvote: abstain
vote: the stranger

I pity you Stranger, but a man has do what he has to do to survive in this world. Your journey - it ends today.

[Populus Romanus]

Or tommorrow. Or tonight. You'll be dead soon.

[Earthling]

unvote: Seon

Vote: The Stranger

[Choxorn]

ACIN, you've contradicted yourself, self-voted, lied, and generally acted like a massive scumbag.

I see no reason to trust you on your accusation of The Stranger, which very well may just be you making up BS.

Vote: ACIN

[Erebus]

Earthling 29
ACIN 19

The Stranger 5
Chaotix 4

As of Post 770

[a completely inoffensive name]

Current tally is...

Earthling: 30
ACIN: 19
Stranger: 7

I doubt we will get enough people for stranger this round.

[Erebus]

7 Votes is right on stranger is correct.

[Visor]

Vote: ACIN

[Romanic]

Bloody hell, I can't read all this tonight. :no:

vote: acin

Mostly because of the self-vote, which is manipulative, which I disapprove. Town players should never do it.

Also, if I remember correctly, acin self-voted in ATPG Mafia 2 where he was Scum.

No idea if Earthling deserve that many votes so early. The only case I've read (but I haven't read all the posts) was ATPG accusing him of using the word "wobbly" as a mean to contact communist players. Not even sure if this is serious. Anyway, my vote's on acin, he's the only player I have a valid reason to vote for, at this point.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Romanic can I impersonate you on Steam again?

[Earthling]

[QUOTE=Romanic;2053374687Not even sure if this is serious.[/QUOTE]

It's obviously not serious at all. pizza knows that too, whatever he's pretending to be. I wouldn't mind a detective scanning me of course but they'd find I'm not communist, nothing but us townies here.

The very good reason not to kill me, if you missed it, is because I was with the townie group that protected slash and earn. That evidence could be guaranteed out should we all live, or a detective scans me, or any other simple thing involving not lynching for no reason here, or the real mafia will try to kill me tonight but I'm only putting myself at risk, the others go on no matter what happens to me.

The real question is who (scum/scum wannabes) wants me dead because of doing protection, and is not giving reasons/fake reasons here. That could be a lot of people, they didn't know my partners or necessarily that we were the ones on slash and earn, but could easily just want a townie going for protection gone as a wasted lynch.

I would kindly ask you to contribute to the Stranger wagon right now though. It does not seem too late for votes to change, ACIN is only a choice because of lack of alternatives and if Stranger is a wrong lynch ACIN is done, period, if it's right that does help the town.

[Beefy187]

Vote: ACIN

What Choxorn said.
And I see Earthling lynched too often. It hurts my eyes.

[Visor]

2 hours 6 minutes to go.

[thefluffyone93]

We need more votes on Chaotix......
or else we'll have....
MOAR GHOSTS N' STUFF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx53ZZC8VEk)

[Earthling]

fluffy, I agree Chaotix seems perfectly honest in declaring he wants to form his own mafia group, but that lynch isn't happening today. I'd help in the future were I alive, but you ought to join up on another vote, still try for the Stranger.

[Lewwyn]

Poor stranger. Hung out to dry by ACIN.
Unvote; Vote: The Stranger

[Earthling]

We could have enough votes to lynch The Stranger here. Need about 15-20 but there is time and that's especially doable as we have quite a few who only abstained or didn't vote before.

Nothing easier to test on a lynch than a revealed mafia.

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: The Stranger

[a completely inoffensive name]

Still only 9 votes for Stranger.

[Earthling]

There's more people than are probably needed around though. Just afraid to jump on a wagon against a scum.

Could you elaborate on what exactly did Subotan say in connection/response to The Stranger? He already looks scummy enough too, once we see the reveal of Stranger eventually that's an easy next target.

[a completely inoffensive name]

There's more people than are probably needed around though. Just afraid to jump on a wagon against a scum.

Could you elaborate on what exactly did Subotan say in connection/response to The Stranger? He already looks scummy enough too, once we see the reveal of Stranger eventually that's an easy next target.

Subo said nothing in reply. He went out for a pint with his friends soon after he got it, AND LEFT ME ALONE ON STEAM FOR SEVERAL HOURS!

[glyphz]

It's not looking good for you Earthling.
Honestly, I didn't expect there to be 30 votes already on you.
acin's reveal came too late...

[Earthling]

Well, Sasaki really needs to be lynched on what, Day Five I think. If he's not dead by then, don't let him go without very compelling evidence towards him having a town role with no possibility of change. Like an FBI detective revealing a role scan, not just innocent-criminal but his original role from a known detective.

Everybody paying attention to Chaotix forming his own mafia group is next, hopefully that'll sort itself out given the people involved.

The claims of pizza and ACIN vs. Stranger will easily be settled on their own soon enough.

So don't forget to lynch Sasaki, no one should be excused for killing a townie they knew was doing protection the whole time and I wouldn't believe Sasaki feigning ignorance. Keep blocking scum kills and get more new doctors to go with the other town roles, if we have a few more nights like night one we get it anyway. :bow:

[Cahoma]

Unvote; Vote: The Stranger

Too bad man..

[guiri]

Unvote
Vote: Stranger

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: ACIN
Revealing your team members is scummy. Doing it so early in the game is scummy. Everyone on that team is now a target and we will have half a dozen little side-scandals going on. This whole thing, including the "lynch me I don't care I am too busy IRL" attitude is indicative of The Revenging, and the people in the townie network you revealed in that game were suspected for the rest of the game and ultimately lynched. I do not buy your story about the accidental mafia reveal.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: ACIN
Revealing your team members is scummy. Doing it so early in the game is scummy. Everyone on that team is now a target and we will have half a dozen little side-scandals going on. This whole thing, including the "lynch me I don't care I am too busy IRL" attitude is indicative of The Revenging, and the people in the townie network you revealed in that game were suspected for the rest of the game and ultimately lynched. I do not buy your story about the accidental mafia reveal.

Does this mean you don't love me anymore?

[Earthling]

unvote: The Stranger
vote: Sasaki Kojiro

For the record, so he'll be haunted by the ghosts of townies past, present, and future.

[GeneralHankerchief]

For the record, as per the summary thread, the round has now concluded. Now, I'm guessing that Seamus is asleep so we won't know whether votes between now and whenever he gets on count, but I'm marking the cutoff in any case.

[gnarlycharlie]

Vote: Earthling

case is more compelling.

[Major Robert Dump]

unvote: The Stranger
vote: Sasaki Kojiro

For the record, so he'll be haunted by the ghosts of townies past, present, and future.

Of course I love you, that's why I stalk you. Those underwear in your mail box are mine, BTW

[a completely inoffensive name]

Of course I love you, that's why I stalk you. Those underwear in your mail box are mine, BTW

EARTHLING?!?!?!??! YOU JERK! DON'T CALL ME AT 4AM ASKING FOR MY HAND IN MARRIAGE EVER AGAIN!

[gnarlycharlie]

NETA: hmmm the timer showed 5 minutes more when i voted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What? Setting attack and vig groups on the same?

I'd still like to know who's the 'master'mind that's been having people have at each other last night.

You're next, Bart.

If you have any opposition to successful attempts to create doctors, that makes you a scumbag.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finally caught up. Since I just finished college (International Relations, baby!) and am already working, my participation will probably be weaker than usual (Which is nothing great in the first place.)

Two comments: The wobbly comment is very well caught by ATPG. How the hell did you know about that in the first place?

Also, obvious ATPG protection is obvious. As I said, it was obvious. If anyone was gonna get protection from turn 1, it's him. Pro-tip: Leave ATPG for when his networks start crumbling down. Whoever attacked him knowingly wasted their turns.


I ordered the attack on myself!!!


Sheesh, it's the single most obvious move in this game. Make doctors AND protect me at the same time while accounting for another 6-7 people.

PS: Folks voting for me have no idea how silly they look to me.

[Erebus]

Earthling 28
ACIN 22
Stranger 10

Others at 1-4 votes a piece

[Jarema]

Making doctors is good! better than making vigilantes!

[Erebus]

My only issue is that when you have one guy putting two teams (protection and vigi) on the same person, a few mistakes and you have someone dead. I'd rather people be thinking strategically. Who is guilty? I should attack them. Or who is getting pro-town attention. I should protect them. But I seem to be one of the only that holds this antiquated idealism. Oh well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My only issue is that when you have one guy putting two teams (protection and vigi) on the same person, a few mistakes and you have someone dead. I'd rather people be thinking strategically. Who is guilty? I should attack them. Or who is getting pro-town attention. I should protect them. But I seem to be one of the only that holds this antiquated idealism. Oh well.

The "someone" in question would have been me, though.

I'm allowed to take risks with my own life.

[Tratorix]

Anyone interested in a protect group contact me, I'm trying to set one up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Indeed, it's getting to be that time.

You want into a protect, vig, or either group, contact me.

Specify if you're okay with attacking for the purpose of making doctors, not gaining kills.



Others who are organizing groups: Contact me if you need to borrow or lend a person. No man left behind.

[God Emperor]

Ooc: Could it be possible to place that lovely timer at page one? It seems imposssible to find it, as it is :p

As for vote , Vote: ACIN.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ooc: Could it be possible to place that lovely timer at page one? It seems imposssible to find it, as it is :p

It's in the most recent post of the summary thread. Scrolling isn't *that* difficult. :tongue:

[TheLastDays]

Err, alright, just for the possibility that it will still be counted, unvote, vote: The Stranger even though it seems it'll make no difference now.

[classical_hero]

fos:O! TLD! due such a late vote switch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Less votes that make zero difference as the round is over, and more night actions.

[TheLastDays]

Hey I'm trying to make a point! :tongue:

Also, I still stand by my vote on Chaotix, I fully think him capable of publicly recruiting his upcoming Mafia, just to make this clear so no one is surprised if I vote him again after we have gotten rid of The Stranger.

[The Stranger]

lol really? i go to bed and suddenly im bandwagoned? how lame...

[The Stranger]

Ugh, whatever. I lied, it wasn't a mafia person. It is a third party role. He is all by himself with his role and I didn't want to ruin it for him. I only said mafia because I wanted the attention.

The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.

Have your free kill. Sorry Stranger, I done messed up. I should have kept my mouth shut about the mix up, but there will be other games.

ok see, this is where you go wrong acin. you have come with your message that you knew a name even before i contacted subotan and i never said anything about hubs or stuff that indicates that i am third party. subotan has been trying to shove the same dirt on me for some reason and now i know. its an attempt to save yourself and to shove the attention to me.

your reveal of a name was made on day one while i didnt contact subotan till day 2... how is this possible? that you knew my role before i even sent a pm about this game to anyone?

and why would you first claim such a thing to later pin it on me, supposedly a 3rd party role but there is no proof of it? also at first you claimed it was pmd directly to you, now you say you got it through subotan.

also in name of the game you say you wont reveal and then suddenly when it seems that the lie wont buy you the time u thought ud get you do reveal... and on top of that u reveal not a mafia name but supposedly a third party name of a guy that never even contacted you...

everyone who immediatly followed you after you just said JUMP is extremly fishy and should be closer examined.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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[Subotan]

Have your free kill. Sorry Stranger, I done messed up. I should have kept my mouth shut about the mix up, but there will be other games.
Too dang right you should have. Why do you have to go make my life so much more complicated ACIN?


The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role.

I can confirm this with our PM conversation. Quote Pyramids ahoy!:







Are you the hub I'm supposed to link up with?

Yeaup, and you're not the first to link up with me.

I've already had some ideas about longer term strategy, but I'm not sure what to do tonight. Thoughts?

I'm rather clueless and I thought that you would provide me with orders and also brief me about our current situation.

Oh of course, I just wanted to see how much you already knew. What do you want to know about?

I'm thinking of us joining in a protection group for the next few nights, so we can get some alibis for later in the game.

Is there a way that we could speak more directly? Through skype or msn?

I knew only to look out for certain keywords, but for example I don't know our numbers or other names. You are the first I've contacted. I don't want to know more than I need to actually.
Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched.

Start talking. What is your role? What does CDTC mean? [Capo di tutti Capi apparently -.- : Subotan] What is this "hub"? What are these code words? What are these numbers/other names?

I'm not going to spill the beans on you - there is absolutely no incentive for me to do so. I am however going to blackmail you. If you don't answer my questions and keep me informed as to the developments of your faction, then I will of course reveal you to be a scum of whatever kind.

I was planning to drain The Stranger dry of information about his faction, and then reveal it to the town when the time was right. The Stranger was at first uncooperative, so I let ACIN in on it, as we chat over Steam a lot. This was on day one. The Stranger then came around to my way of thinking, before I had had chance to reveal in-thread. This was why I was determined that ACIN was not going to be lynched.


ok see, this is where you go wrong acin. you have come with your message that you knew a name even before i contacted subotan and i never said anything about hubs or stuff that indicates that i am third party. subotan has been trying to shove the same dirt on me for some reason and now i know. its an attempt to save yourself and to shove the attention to me.

your reveal of a name was made on day one while i didnt contact subotan till day 2... how is this possible? that you knew my role before i even sent a pm about this game to anyone?
Nope. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14&hd=1)

[The Stranger]

lol you lie. and no i wonder why you lie.

1) you have tampered with the pms ive sent you. this is not at all our entire and truthful conversation
2) you lie about the date that this conversation has been held. this was in day 2 on the real date and exact time of your reply at 09-15-11 16:38

[Visor]

I doubt that Subotan. Look at the difference between his posts, and the sentence quality and structure.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Out beneath the cracks and coming in waves
Rolling like an earthquake under the pavement
Heavy now, tell me Mr.Truth

You got a lot of nerve
Now show a little backbone why don't you

I'm lookin' for some back and forth with you
Are you feeling the same as I do now and now and then?
I'm lookin' for some back and forth with you
Are you feeling the same as I do?
Down and out
… “Back and Forth”
… Foo Fighters


8:17PM Tuesday, 30 October 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey


The wrangling and arguments had flown around the room for hours. Earthling, an early suspect, mounted a defense against Mr. King (ACIN) that had seemed to turn the tables. Those were reversed as accusations of who had been where last night – and what had been done – were flung about with little restraint. It had been bitter and hard fought, but that was probably for the best given the goal of the Committee – death should never be meted out while bored.

In the end, it came down to votes, and the Director and his assistants diligently totaled the votes even as some members hurried over to change their votes to The Stranger in the last few minutes. In the end, it was Earthling whose name had the most hash marks next to it. Director Generalhankerchief stood and walked to the podium, one of the police squad just behind hiim....and the others stationed at the room’s exits.

Director Hankerchief was clad in an all-black ensemble; shirt, vest, tie, jacket, pants, socks, shoes. Fedora. Evidently the position of Director came with a wardrobe upgrade, and Hankerchief was making use of it in style. He settled down into a very comfortable chair, in contrast to the bland uniformity of the rest of the seats in the Executive Meeting Room, which were built for cheapness and not much else.

"So, this is the choice of the Committee then?" Everyone nodded, with Earthling squirming uncomfortably in his chair. It was not to be unexpected, but Hankerchief still wished that Earthling would have put on a better face. He was a gentleman of Fatlington, after all, and showing red with all the distinguished members of the Committee would not do, no, not do at all.

"Right then," said the Director. This was his first official speech to the Committee, he surmised, but he had no proper remarks for the occasion. "As Commissioner Fermanagh has so helpfully outlined, Fatlington is once again facing serious threat from the various Mafia families in the area. For some reason this town is a magnet to them, and we all know the cost of life whenever they come to town. Hard times are ahead. However, this does not mean that we are no longer entitled to life's little pleasures. This is not the War. There is no need for rationing. Everyone - and I mean everyone - deserves to be spoiled. And with that in mind..."

The Director snapped his fingers. The doors at the back of the room opened and four scantily-clad women, dressed more appropriately to be chorus line dancers than Director's assistants wheeled in a massive cart, filled to the brim with food. An overwhelming aroma overtook the room and soon all of the Committee members found their mouths watering.

"Earthling, your last meal," Director Hankerchief said, seemingly the only one impervious to the sensory assault. "Shaved jicama, cucumber, grapefruit and mint salad, southern-fried turkey tails and biscuits glazed with sage and black pepper honey butter, duck à l'orange, sauteed goose foie gras on toasted brioche with cherry-red wine sauce, bacon-wrapped New York strip, stuffed sweet potatoes with herbs, garlic, and blue cheese wrapped in prosciutto, and to top it off, a massive chocolate cake for dessert. Enjoy!"

{i}Earthling could only gape open-mouthed at what lay before him on the cart. It was easily the most delicious, most appetizing meal that anyone had ever seen.[/I] "Straight from the chefs at Iron Felix's," Director Hankerchief said. "Luckily for our budget it was on the house too. Come on Earthling, if you don't dig in then there are a hundred other people in this room who are more than willing to eat this amazing meal. You're about to die anyway, you might as well enjoy yourself."

"But... but there's so much..." Earthling's protest sounded hollow and weak even to himself.

"Eat." The sudden, unexpected intensity in GeneralHankerchief's voice instantly swept away Earthling's reservations and he finally went to town.

The Director kept the entire Committee seated and watching as Earthling chewed through his meal in silence. They watched, mouths watering, as Earthling made his way through the salad, cutting the various meat and poultry dishes and going through those evenly, balancing them out with the sweet potatoes. Most of the Committee members present even wished that *they* had been the ones marked for death today simply so that they could experience the pure deliciousness firsthand.

After thirty minutes of eating, still with some of the meat dishes unfinished, one thing that had become clear to everybody present was that Earthling was slowing down. Eventually the sensory assault had to subside in favor of the body's responses, and evidently Earthling's stomach had reached that point. Pushing his plates away from him, he wiped his mouth with a napkin, took a swig of water, and looked over at the Director. "Thanks very much for the meal, unfortunately I'm not able to finish it. I'm ready to go now, for whatever you have in mind for me."

Director Hankerchief gave a cool look at Earthling for a second before addressing the crowd as much as him. "No no no," he said, "this won't do at all. The chefs at Iron Felix's worked very hard on this meal, very hard indeed. Surely you would not want your last act on Earth to be something as extremely rude as not finishing a free meal, especially not one as delicious as this."

It was not a question. Earthling knew there was no arguing to be done, and grudgingly went back to his meal.

It became apparent to most of the Committee that the Director was trying to make a point, for every time Earthling hopefully looked up at the Director he simply glared and pointed back at the cart. After another fifteen minutes of laboring, Earthling, looking pale, finally finished his last bite of the strip steak.

"The cake," Director Hankerchief said. Even the four scantily-dressed women were glaring now.

Earthling groaned. He was feeling decidedly sick. Still, it would not serve to be rude, so he dove in, summoning every last bit of his effort to keep chewing away, to swallow, to wash it down with water, to cut another slice off the mammoth cake and restart the process. His stomach, is throat, were all burning, begging for mercy, but he knew he had to eat. And so he did. Bite after bite after bite after bite.

Some of the more enterprising members of the Committee were now beginning to openly bet on whether or not Earthling would be able to finish the cake or not before he passed out. With about a quarter of the cake to go, Earthling again looked up at the Director. Everyone in the room could clearly see the pain in his eyes, the weakness in his face. The undone buttons on his outfit.

"I'm so sick..." he mumbled.

"Finish it."

And so the misery, the torture, began again as Earthling, weeping in pain, went back to the cake. Somehow, he kept at it though, continuing to chew through his tears. The crowd was now openly cheering, rooting for Earthling to press on, to keep eating, come on, you can do it. This seemed to have no effect on Earthling. He had passed beyond recognition. Finally, after another thirty minutes, he speared the final bite with his fork. He raised it to his mouth, his hand trembled... and then he slumped over in his chair, defeated at last.

"You," "Check for a pulse."

[I]She rushed over to Earthling, checking him, and a moment later indicated to the Director that she felt nothing.

"A shame," , "It was a delicious bite too. Come on, everyone, we had better clear out of here post-haste. I can't imagine the kind of flatulence this corpse is going to produce."

[I]The committee filed out into the dark of another Fatlington Fall night. It was the night of the 30th of October – “Devil’s Night” – and many of them were wondering exactly what kind of pranks they could look forward to. They would soon learn.

OOC

Please have your night orders PMs in no later than .

It would be easier to keep track of if you send two PMs, one for active and one for passive. Also, please label all such as "n2"

Earthling 28 (ATPG, Besker, Bsmith, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Death is yonder, Frozen in Ice, GamerzRule, Ironside, Issaikhaan, Ishmael, jolt, Kagemusha, landlubber, LazyMcCrow, Memnon, Neri, Sasaki Kojiro, Scottishranger, Seon, SisterCoyote, Slash and earn, Subotan, ULC, Winston Hughes, Woad & fangs, Xenoneb, Zack)

ACIN 22 (Arjos, Beefy187, Choxorn, Clitsome, Craterus, Daveshack, Diamondeye, Diana Abnoba, ELITE, hero di classico, Jarema, Johhog, Kennigit, MRD, Renata, Romanic, Shlin28, Sprig, Sturmhauke, Suburban Plankton, Tratorix, Yaropolk)

The Stranger 11 (ACIN, Cahoma, Earthling, Erebus, Guiri, Lewwyn, Populous Romanus, qylphz, Secura, Visorslash, White_eyes)

Chaotix 3 (Cecil XIX, O!TheLastDays, Thefluffyone93)
Edse 2 (Believer, Peasant Phil)
ATPG 2 (BillMc, The Stranger)
Sasaki 2 (ByzantineKnight, Earthling)
Shlin28 1 (Niklas)
White_Eyes 1 (Andres)
Silver Jan 1 (edse)
ULC 1 (Backwards Logic)
Skotsko 1 (Gibsonsong91921)
Arjos 1 (Psychonaut)
Camikaze 1 (Tincow)
Diamondeye 1 (Xehh II)

No Lynch 1 (Skotsko)
Abstain 3 (B Ray, Monk, Riedquat)

[The Stranger]

this is the real conversation







Do you want to form some protection groups?

Yeaup, and you're not the first to link up with me.

I've already had some ideas about longer term strategy, but I'm not sure what to do tonight. Thoughts?


I'm rather clueless and I thought that you would provide me with orders.

I'm thinking of us joining in a protection group for the next few nights, so we can get some alibis for later in the game.

Is there a way that we could speak more directly? Through skype or msn?

You are the first I've contacted. I don't know any other people willing to do stuff and I don't want to know more than I need to actually.
Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched.

Start talking. What is your role? What does CDTC mean? Is this a code? What are these other names?

I'm not going to spill the beans on you - there is absolutely no incentive for me to do so. I am however going to blackmail you. If you don't answer my questions and keep me informed as to the developments of your faction, then I will of course reveal you to be a scum of whatever kind.

Oh, and one last thing - if you try to kill me, I guarantee that you will be lynched the following day. This is not an idle threat or a bluff, and you will treat as such at your peril.

I was quite taken aback by this sudden change in your attitude to me and i didnt understand why this was so my reply to you then was


Haha. to which you did not reply.

now i understand why you did that as it was part of your plan to pin some dirt on me.

i talked to subotan on skype and he kept trying to blackmail me in an effort to make me tell the names of my associates and what my socalled group was. this is specifically odd because if you read ACIN's first reveal closely he says he knows something about someones role because that person missent a pm to him that was intended for seamus. if ACIN has truly received that pm from me, he would know what my role was and to which 3rd party group i belong. But clearly he doesnt know and nor does Subotan because he kept pressing me to reveal that info. Which i couldnt because i clearly didnt know what the hell he was talking about.

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[Subotan]

1) you have tampered with the pms ive sent you. this is not at all our entire and truthful conversation
I removed one non-critical sentence that I wrote, which I felt was unnecessary to the case. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to PM anybody it if they ask for it.


2) you lie about the date that this conversation has been held. this was in day 2 on the real date and exact time of your reply at

Then why did my first PM from you pop into my inbox at 09-12-11 23:42?

[Cahoma]

I doubt that Subotan. Look at the difference between his posts, and the sentence quality and structure.
You've got a point. There's no capitalization in his posts, but there are in those PMs.

[The Stranger]

I removed one non-critical sentence that I wrote, which I felt was unnecessary to the case. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to PM anybody it if they ask for it.



Then why did my first PM from you pop into my inbox at 09-12-11 23:42?\

because it didnt. i sent my first pm to you at 09-15-11 16:20

and you havent removed some stuff you added alot of bs...

[Subotan]

Do you want to form some protection groups?
You lie. Why the heck would I possibly think that you asking about protection groups would be something lynch-worthy?


You've got a point. There's no capitalization in his posts, but there are in those PMs.
There is no capitalisation in his Skype Conversation with me, if you want to see an excerpt:

[15/09/2011 21:13:53] Subotan: Sup
[15/09/2011 21:14:13] The Stranger: nm
[15/09/2011 21:14:14] The Stranger: u?
[15/09/2011 21:14:33] Subotan: Just watched an episode of Arrested Development with my sister
[15/09/2011 21:14:39] Subotan: Not much else though
[15/09/2011 21:14:49] The Stranger: ok :P
[15/09/2011 21:15:00] The Stranger: so you are heavy blackmailing ppl
[15/09/2011 21:15:52] Subotan: Basically yes :3
[15/09/2011 21:16:32] The Stranger: cool
[15/09/2011 21:16:39] The Stranger: what do you want from me?
[15/09/2011 21:16:53] Subotan: Just the questions I asked in the pm really
[15/09/2011 21:17:01] Subotan: We could start by finding out what your role is
[15/09/2011 21:17:14] The Stranger: we? so there is more of you?
[15/09/2011 21:17:26] The Stranger: or is that a figure of speech?
[15/09/2011 21:18:36] Subotan: Figure of speech
[15/09/2011 21:18:40] The Stranger: what makes you think i would give you those things? i cant trust you at all. trying to blackmail ppl who you think are scummy but you dont report to town immediatly... thats kinda fishy
[15/09/2011 21:18:45] Subotan: Sorry I forgot you're not a native English speaker things
[15/09/2011 21:18:53] Subotan: *duh why did I put things at the end
[15/09/2011 21:19:21] Subotan: Well information is valuable
[15/09/2011 21:19:41] Subotan: Besides, if I was a scum trying to prove my innocence, I would be all over the thread now screaming that you were some scum of kind
[15/09/2011 21:19:57] The Stranger: ah. but what do you have on me/
[15/09/2011 21:20:01] The Stranger: nothing really
[15/09/2011 21:20:09] Subotan: The knowledge that you are most certainly not pro-town
[15/09/2011 21:20:14] Subotan: Evidence even
[15/09/2011 21:20:20] The Stranger: but same can be said about you
[15/09/2011 21:20:36] The Stranger: evidence you have is all in pm which cant be revealed
[15/09/2011 21:20:41] The Stranger: also its not evidence
[15/09/2011 21:21:01] Subotan: PMs can be revealed; only writing in red can't

Notice how he doesn't deny that he is third party at any point, or that he petioned me thinking I was a third party don of some kind.


i talked to subotan on skype and he kept trying to blackmail me in an effort to make me tell the names of my associates and what my socalled group was. this is specifically odd because if you read ACIN's first reveal closely he says he knows something about someones role because that person missent a pm to him that was intended for seamus. if ACIN has truly received that pm from me, he would know what my role was and to which 3rd party group i belong. But clearly he doesnt know and nor does Subotan because he kept pressing me to reveal that info. Which i couldnt because i clearly didnt know what the hell he was talking about.

t
ACIN made up a load of stuff to throw you off guard.


\

because it didnt. and you havent removed some stuff you added alot of bs...
It's your word against my evidence. We'll see what happens next phase.

[The Stranger]

you are again very selective in what you show to our beloved audience. but ofcourse after your weird sudden outburst of accusations i wasnt going to start crying in your lap and confess to something i am not guilty off. i dont see how you have any evidence and you have already admitted that youve tampered with the pms. on top of that you are lying about the date of our conversation which youve forgotten to change in our skype convo. its quite weird that weve only just started talking about this if ive already been pming you since 4 days...


so lets sum this up

1) you support a fake reveal by ACIN and lie about the date of our conversation
2) you add and take stuff out of our pm conversation, which you admit to, and you are selective in showing other socalled evidence because i did deny that i was third party only you dont show that in the part of our skype convo u revealed.
3) you have obviously been planning this in advance with ACIN since his fake reveal has come some days ago. I wonder what you wouldve done if i didnt contact you about ptgroups... would you have pinned it on someone else to save ACIN?

also funny to note:


[15/09/2011 21:19:41] Subotan: Besides, if I was a scum trying to prove my innocence, I would be all over the thread now screaming that you were some scum of kind

and what does he do a few hours later XD

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh god these walls of texts are so boring.

More music.



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Hey! Careless Whisper!


It's totally a pun on these people blurting out incriminating stuff.

"Guilty feet have got no rhythm" indeed.

[The Stranger]

I removed one non-critical sentence that I wrote, which I felt was unnecessary to the case. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to PM anybody it if they ask for it.



Then why did my first PM from you pop into my inbox at 09-12-11 23:42?

HAH i actually have a real alibi for this lie. I was playing age of empires at exactly that time.

http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/player/NoahTheTerrible?pid=222397

there is my account and shows the rated games ive been playing, one which ended at 00:10

but before that with the same guy i played an unrated game which ended at 23:49

namely this game:
http://www.agecommunity.com/stats/GameStats.aspx?loc=en-US&GameID=f0f85e9b-27f1-4e9e-a7e4-d77c2171cc1e&sFlag=0&md=ZS_Custom

and you can find it in this list:
http://www.agecommunity.com/stats/EntityStats.aspx?loc=en-US&EntityName=NoahTheTerrible&sFlag=0&md=ZS_Custom

its listed here at the time of 21:49 but that is at gmt+0 and im at gmt+2 atm so if you add that you can see that i was in this game at the time of 23:49

to prove my ownership of this account you can check here
http://rts-sanctuary.com/Age-Of-Empires-3/showuser=107165

go the the record part and youll see that records are listed under the name of my in game account "noahtheterrible"

one example here: http://rts-sanctuary.com/Age-Of-Empires-3/showtopic=207091&#entry2275795

my real name is umeu. and ye im #2 in the world atm with Age of Empires 3 XD

[Askthepizzaguy]

Citizens of Fatlington, the Fatlington Police Department wants to improve department-community relations. To show the Police Department's commitment to serving the community, we want to inform you of the work we have been doing on your behalf. Our detectives are out every night trying to solve crimes. Last night our detectives were investigating BillMc and Major Robert Dump. BillMc is innocent, but Major Robert Dump is a criminal. It is not standard operating procedure to share information like this with the community, but the Police Department felt that this information would help gain the trust of the citizens. We hope that this announcement will encourage alert citizens to work with the Police Department to stop crime. Please report any suspicious activity to fatlingtonpd@gmail.com. A detective will be assigned to investigate all credible leads. Do not resort to vigilante justice, leave the crime fighting to the professionals.

Have a safe day.

Fatlington Police Department


You know, I had an extremely busy day yesterday and I have an email inbox that gets loaded with hundreds of messages.


Apparently I'm no longer trusted by the anonymous police department because I have a real job and I need to SLEEP on occasion.

Thanks a whole lot, bite me. You try doing one half of what I do everyday. Try it.

[Major Robert Dump]

Such shenanigans so early in the game seem a little.....excessive. There are so many lurkers to lynch and murder, yet you all behaving like junior highschoolers trying to keep the fat chic from being crowned homecoming queen. I mean, she's fat, let her have her day in the sun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will be pulling a double shift, on no sleep, which leads to 36 hours of consciousness, and I'm single-handedly organizing groups to save your butts at night, and in case those fail, I got a doctor covering Bill. He's NEVER gonna die!

I'm worth more than your detective. I hate being shut out for making one mistake. I have a right to be upset.

You wanted to take it to the public, so here it is. All our dangly bits all exposed. Fun fun.


ooooh I need a breather. That stung a lot.

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm confused where that police dispatch came from. Was that posted somewhere? because I missed it.


Anyway, I will have you all know that our stellar police department is less than forthcoming since they conveniently leave out the fact that I was INACTIVE last night. So either your PD is half-assing it and can only do surface scans and not deep scans (read:innacurate, wannabe cops), or they can do full scans and intentionally left out the fact that I was inactive.

Criminal does not mean mafia. Prostitutes are criminals, pot heads are criminals, insurance salesmen are criminals. I'd be willing to wager the vast majority of nuetrals in this game are petty criminals who can go either way. As it turned out, I chose to do nothing last night because I figured some douche cop would scan me and I did not want to appear active. As it turns out, that made no difference.

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN

[Sigurd]

Subotan using 'we'? ... history dictates scummy.

[Populus Romanus]

Being neutral is being protown and promafia. However, he seems to be very protown and not helping the mafia at all. What with starting the (ridiculous) case on Earthling, that doesn't look very neutral to me. So then one must wonder: what is he doing to benefit the mafia? What has he been telling them?

[robbiecon]

Here's the whole lot of the second e-mail from the PD, which all on the mailing list received:


Citizens of Fatlington, this announcement is to all citizens who publicised their contact information except a few we could not understand. Please post this email and the email forwarded below. The below message was sent to Askthepizzaguy yesterday, but he has kept the information for himself and has not publicised it as he should have. Do not trust Askthepizzaguy, he is not a friend of the town. The Fatlington Police Department will no longer use Askthepizzaguy as its contact with the citizens. That person will be whoever publicises this full email first.

Based on our information and a recent statement made by BillMc, the Fatlington Police Department highly recommends that BillMc be protected for the foreseeable future.

Have a safe day.

Fatlington Police Department

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM, A B <fatlingtonpd [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Citizens of Fatlington, the Fatlington Police Department wants to improve department-community relations. To show the Police Department's commitment to serving the community, we want to inform you of the work we have been doing on your behalf. Our detectives are out every night trying to solve crimes. Last night our detectives were investigating BillMc and Major Robert Dump. BillMc is innocent, but Major Robert Dump is a criminal. It is not standard operating procedure to share information like this with the community, but the Police Department felt that this information would help gain the trust of the citizens. We hope that this announcement will encourage alert citizens to work with the Police Department to stop crime. Please report any suspicious activity to fatlingtonpd [at] gmail.com. A detective will be assigned to investigate all credible leads. Do not resort to vigilante justice, leave the crime fighting to the professionals.

Have a safe day.

Fatlington Police Department

[Askthepizzaguy]

Half of the town will scan as criminal, MRD; the wiseguys will mostly scan criminal, some townies will. Criminal is actually a better read than guilty, because it means you're either guilty (much lower chance at this stage of the game) or one of the many wiseguys who haven't killed anyone, which is points in your favor, or one of the unlucky townies who have a past.

The scans are better than nothing, but they are misleading. It's better to gather more scans before revealing, but I understand the email move.


+++



To the FPD:


It was on my to-do list but it got buried pages back in my email inbox. It is probably my fault because my org inbox is also flooded with requests for songs, the anonymous message thing, not to mention night coordination. Something like that I should have posted right away, but I got the original message at a bad time, I couldn't post it immediately. I'm just human. It shouldn't have read as an intentional thing, if I was trying to block the results then I wouldn't have allowed and encouraged folks to send me anonymous stuff anyway; then they could just do it for someone else if I refused. I am in a position where I couldn't refuse; it would be counterproductive.

Then I have too much on my brain I couldn't remember I was supposed to post it.


Did you ever have a day like that? That's been my week.

[Sigurd]

Another thing... now that GH got elected and everything.
Where do whores go?

[Askthepizzaguy]

:wall:

I don't even want to see that message. It's making me so upset.

All I can see is my name over and over again, mocking me.


Serves me right, though. I did ask for this, didn't I?

Hey look, I still have 45 minutes to sleep before work.

[Renata]

At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.

[robbiecon]

I understand that you've been doing a lot ATPG, both in RL, and behind the scenes for this game. So not posting the message may be just one of the many things you intended to do, but just didn't get around to. Nonetheless I wished to make the full e-mail public for all to see, as it's unfair that only those who have contact details were able to see it.

I'm not accusing you. I'm not even accusing MRD, because, as you've pointed out, criminal does not mean mafia, it may mean a number of things, and that townies have a possibility of scanning as criminal too. I just want everyone to be on a level playing field with relation to this. They mightn't understand why you posted it with evident frustration. They might even interpret that to make you the next lynch target.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.

No, but my yahoo mail account with... 18,681 messages in it is mocking me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not accusing you. I'm not even accusing MRD, because, as you've pointed out, criminal does not mean mafia, it may mean a number of things, and that townies have a possibility of scanning as criminal too. I just want everyone to be on a level playing field with relation to this. They mightn't understand why you posted it with evident frustration. They might even interpret that to make you the next lynch target.

I posted it with frustration because I wasn't even informed I was being shut out until one of the contacts, Lazy McCrow, sent me the message stating I had been.

I do more for this town, I deserve to be notified if I'm being terminated. I deserve that much. I also deserve the right to make a mistake once.

[Major Robert Dump]

Why did the job fall onto ATPG to post the dispatch. Why could none of the other 2 dozen people who recieved it be bothered to post it? OMG DOES THAT MEAN EVERYONE ON THE DISTRO LIST IS NOT A FRIEND OF TEH TOWN??? Good thing I'm not on the distro.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why did the job fall onto ATPG to post the dispatch. Why could none of the other 2 dozen people who recieved it be bothered to post it? OMG DOES THAT MEAN EVERYONE ON THE DISTRO LIST IS NOT A FRIEND OF TEH TOWN??? Good thing I'm not on the distro.

I was simply the first to post it after Lazy showed me the mass message.

It was my duty. A duty I would have done if I had only remembered to do so. You know, like smokinggunman's message. I remembered his because he sent me a reminder.

Smoking gun man, could you maybe let them know that I did indeed forget to post your message too, but I did when you sent the reminder? :wall:


Stupid feeble human brain! Won't do what I want it to.

[TinCow]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

[Major Robert Dump]

I just don't understand why the douche cops threw you under the bus if there were others who got the message and could have posted it as well. Yeah, yeah, I know you are the DJ and all, but my point still stands. They really cut your head off, you'd think you blew up a donut shop or something. Just like the fuzz, going after Joe Regular while Joe Raped My Wife runs free.

And even though their message was not 100% public, it was public enough. Whats totally funny about all the early pro town networks is that were I a mafioso, I would be joining pro town networks to intentionally make protections fail. Do the cops actually think that by releasing that dispatch to the *secret brotherhood* that they were not revealing the info to mafia? Thats naieve. What they were doing, hoiwever, was witholding pertinent info from the rest of the town by doing so, the same thing they accuse ATPG of doing. Pot, meet kettle, then STFU

[Major Robert Dump]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

#1. Because it was first released to a secret network so I could not defend myself

#2. Unfairly attacked ATPG in the same secret network

#3. Withholds info from the town

#4. When do I not act like this? Don't mess with me, I will fight a cow.

[robbiecon]

To my knowledge, ATPG was the only one sent the original message.

[Askthepizzaguy]

MRD, why are you acting so crazy over a simple criminal result?

If you had a past history of being a juvenile who robs liquor stores wearing ladies' undergarments, you'd freak out over it being made public too. :laugh4:

[LazyMcCrow]

To my knowledge, ATPG was the only one sent the original message.

I'd be half tempted to bet my weight in chocolate cake that ATPG was the one who wrote the original message too :laugh4:

[TinCow]

#1. Because it was first released to a secret network so I could not defend myself

Why do you need to defend yourself? What have you been accused of?

[Major Robert Dump]

Yes, but the second message which conveyed how horrible a person ATPG was got sent only to the Secret Brotherhood, in which both he and I were incriminated.

What, were the cops supposed to put down their donuts and Hustlers and post themselves, letting all know they are cops? Of course not. And we can't use anonymous accounts. I refer you to Robbiecon. See, he posted the message like a right proper go-getter.

I can think of about 80 people putting less effort into this game than ATPG.

Please investigate me again tonight and you will see that I will be inactive. FYI cops, I will be sleeping spread eagle on my couch wearing nothing but a beanie, and I haven't mown the lawn in 4 years, if you catch my drift. Enjoy the view.

**cue bus driver and fixer to sabotage me**

[TinCow]

Please investigate me again tonight and you will see that I will be inactive. FYI cops, I will be sleeping spread eagle on my couch wearing nothing but a beanie, and I haven't mown the lawn in 4 years, if you catch my drift. Enjoy the view.

Oh, so you're a Luca then.

[Major Robert Dump]

Why do you need to defend yourself? What have you been accused of?

Of being a criminal.

Look people, those things stay on our records for 10 years, alright?

ARE WE LIVING IN THE 50s OR THE 1920s? IT WAS A FRAT PARTY, OK? I DID NOT BRING THE GOAT OR THE POUNDCAKE, AND IT WAS A FEMALE GOAT CUZ I AIN'T NO FREAK. I'M NOT A JAZZ SINGER TRYING TO MAKE YOUR WHITE DAUGHTER TAKE THE REEFER AND PUT MY THANG IN HER THANG, ALRIGHT?

[Diamondeye]

The write up shows 3 cars arriving and a fourth arrive "late"

I read this as the fourth speeding up to cover for the absence of the "planned" fifth. That means one person of the group was missing. I don't see the case on Seon.


I ordered the attack on myself!!!


Sheesh, it's the single most obvious move in this game. Make doctors AND protect me at the same time while accounting for another 6-7 people.

PS: Folks voting for me have no idea how silly they look to me.

Mirroring this... Obvious move is obvious.

Also, the willingness to risk his own life for this benefit should give ATPG some credit. I doubt a mafia would do it.


Another thing... now that GH got elected and everything.
Where do whores go?

I am also waiting for the answer. So far, my best bet is "in Soviet Russia, whores go to you". But I might be messing up my genres here.

[Secura]

And now I have to look like a fool, though I can understand the mistake given the high volume of orders that Seamus has to process.

Basically, the host has explained that he made a mistake in the writeup and order-reading, and that Seon was present and received full credit for doing so. Only one person failed to attend, whom I believe may have simply sent their orders too late.

[Renata]

Of being a criminal.

Yeah, and? So is a significant proportion of the town. I gotta agree with TinCow that you are being just a little bit defensive here.

[GamezRule]

Umm, doesn't half the town scan as criminal?

[Subotan]

you are again very selective in what you show to our beloved audience.
I showed the excerpt of the Skype conversation to demonstrate that we had been in contact - the fact that it also showed that you failed to deny PMing me to see if I was your hub is a bonus. Showing any more was unnecessary and would have caused eyes to glaze over.


Idont see how you have any evidence and you have already admitted that youve tampered with the pms.
I did not change anything you said. I removed one thing from my conversation (which you conveniently forgot to put back in as you knew it would incriminate you), as I do not wish it to be public knowledge. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to share it with anyone who PMs me. In contrast, you changed substantial amounts of the conversation we had via PMs; this is demonstrable by the fact that so much has been removed from your account that my attempt to force information out of you is unjustified and irrational. We both agree that I say "Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched"; can you show us what information you think that is from your account - or have you removed it?


on top of that you are lying about the date of our conversation which youve forgotten to change in our skype convo.
I haven't changed any dates. As you yourself said; you replied to my initial accusation with a "Haha" - you then waited several days before saying

"If we can talk through some sort of messenger then I will tell you what you want to hear."


1) you support a fake reveal by ACIN and lie about the date of our conversation
False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.


) you add and take stuff out of our pm conversation, which you admit to
False. As I said, I removed one sentence of mine.


and you are selective in showing other socalled evidence because i did deny that i was third party only you dont show that in the part of our skype convo u revealed.
I showed the very beginning of the conversation. There is some attempt at backpedalling later on in the conversation, which amounts to a "NO U", but no explicit denials. Again, I am happy to share this if asked.


3) you have obviously been planning this in advance with ACIN since his fake reveal has come some days ago.
I shared with ACIN after you failed to answer any of my questions; I was planning on revealing you this phase but then you PMed me asking to talk over Skype.


I wonder what you wouldve done if i didnt contact you about ptgroups...[Sic] would you have pinned it on someone else to save ACIN?
You'll have to ask ACIN whether he was planning on making something anyway if I hadn't contacted him


also funny to note:

[15/09/2011 21:19:41] Subotan: Besides, if I was a scum trying to prove my innocence, I would be all over the thread now screaming that you were some scum of kind
and what does he do a few hours later XD
My hand was forced by ACIN's reveal.


HAH i actually have a real alibi for this lie. I was playing age of empires at exactly that time.
I think the phrase "Alt+Tab" is enough to quash this particular excuse.


Being neutral is being protown and promafia.
Nope. He's third party, opposed to both.


Subotan using 'we'? ... history dictates scummy.
There's an old saying in Tennessee... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A)

[The Stranger]

I showed the excerpt of the Skype conversation to demonstrate that we had been in contact - the fact that it also showed that you failed to deny PMing me to see if I was your hub is a bonus. Showing any more was unnecessary and would have caused eyes to glaze over.

but you deliberatly chose not to show the part in which i denied being 3rd party.

[15-9-2011 22:24:06] Ant: Well that's the fun of mafia, is it not?
[15-9-2011 22:24:09] Ant: Tell you what
[15-9-2011 22:24:14] Ant: I'll give you an alibi tonight as well
[15-9-2011 22:24:24] Ant: I'm setting up a protection group tonight, as I have nothing else to do
[15-9-2011 22:24:26] Ant: You in?
[15-9-2011 22:24:37] Umeu Bartelds: i dont need alibis im not guilty of anything but i might be in
[15-9-2011 22:24:40] Umeu Bartelds: who are you defending?

and
[15-9-2011 22:26:00] Umeu Bartelds: how could i trust you
[15-9-2011 22:27:46] Ant: Do you have any other choice?
[15-9-2011 22:28:04] Ant: You petitoned me, to see if I was a third party don of some kind
[15-9-2011 22:28:14] Umeu Bartelds: no not at all
[15-9-2011 22:28:25] Ant: So what happened then?
[15-9-2011 22:28:28] Umeu Bartelds: i was wondering
[15-9-2011 22:28:36] Umeu Bartelds: why you made such weird remaks
[15-9-2011 22:28:37] Umeu Bartelds: thats all
[15-9-2011 22:29:06] Umeu Bartelds: surely mafia knows their ranks and if not they are enemies
[15-9-2011 22:29:10] Umeu Bartelds: and wouldnt try to link up

no explicit denials but since i wasnt sure of what i was accused i wasnt sure what i had to deny... your entire atittude seemed fishy and i didnt want to walk into a trap which i did eventually... seen the situation i am in.


I did not change anything you said. I removed one thing from my conversation (which you conveniently forgot to put back in as you knew it would incriminate you), as I do not wish it to be public knowledge. The Director already knows of it, and I am happy to share it with anyone who PMs me. In contrast, you changed substantial amounts of the conversation we had via PMs; this is demonstrable by the fact that so much has been removed from your account that my attempt to force information out of you is unjustified and irrational. We both agree that I say "Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched"; can you show us what information you think that is from your account - or have you removed it?


i dont know that is why i was interested in what you had to say. i do know that you have tampered with our conversation and that ive posted it as it was. afaik you didnt promise me anything as well...


I haven't changed any dates. As you yourself said; you replied to my initial accusation with a "Haha" - you then waited several days before saying

"If we can talk through some sort of messenger then I will tell you what you want to hear."

you have clearly changed dates. you say my first pm to you was sent at day 1 on 23.42 when i was playing age of empires 3. i have eloborately and effectively proven that i was in a game and you have chosen to ignore that entire thing. what do you have to say this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137953-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV&p=2053374829&viewfull=1#post2053374829)?


False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.

i dont know any of this or what this is about. i havent had any contact with acin and this story doesnt add up to what acin said., but please reveal that role if you have it.



I shared with ACIN after you failed to answer any of my questions; I was planning on revealing you this phase but then you PMed me asking to talk over Skype.

here you make a mistake again. you share with acin after our skypeconvo of which we both agree was held on the 15th and not on the 12th. but acins reveal was already on the 14th on the exact time of 09-14-11 09:09 which was before our skype convo. so how could he know of my role if you hadnt told him yet?

however it is clear that ACIN atleast is talking about the same reveal since he says in his 2nd reveal on 09-16-11 02:50


Ugh, whatever. I lied, it wasn't a mafia person. It is a third party role. He is all by himself with his role and I didn't want to ruin it for him. I only said mafia because I wanted the attention.

The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.

Have your free kill. Sorry Stranger, I done messed up. I should have kept my mouth shut about the mix up, but there will be other games.

he says he lied, it wasnt mafia it was me as a 3rd party role. but he couldnt have know that at the 14th since we hadnt had our skype convo and you hadnt contacted ACIN yet...



I think the phrase "Alt+Tab" is enough to quash this particular excuse.

this is a very weak way to cover your lie. but ill respond to it anyway. firstly age of empires 3 is played online and is a very micro and macro intensive game. you cant simply alt tab, and send a message on this forum, starting up the browser, looking up who to target, and ofcourse i would already have decided to target you for this pm, (which is still beyond me, why would i pm you out of the blue with a question that would give away my role if posed to the wrong person. it doesnt make sense.) anyway all this would take atleast 2-3 minutes if not more while the data on that site clearly shows i havent been idle for 2-3 minutes nor is there such an significant amount of time between the games i played at that time and the game before to cover for 2-3 minutes of idle time. you are blatantly lying about the time of me first contacting you which wasnt untill yesterday afternoon. the question is why are you doing this?

if you look at my aoe3 game history of that day you can see im playing multiple games in a row quickly after one another. if you look at my .org posting history of that day youll see low activity on that day and none during that specific time. it just seems odd that i would suddenly, in the middle of a game alt tab to send you an odd pm about protection groups which could also wait to be sent when im done with the game.


Nope. He's third party, opposed to both.

you are quite sure of this but you have no proof except from pms you have tampered with and a skype convo in which i was already alerted to your weird behaviour.

but here you suddenly claim that you have seen my role.


False. I shared your role with ACIN, and he deliberately lied so as to make it look like I'd kept my promise to you.

and also ACIN talks as if hes seen my role


The Stranger is a third party role that is anti-town and I got confirmation of it from Subotan who got a PM from him asking if he was "the hub" that he needed to join up with for his role. The role is similar to the two lovers role that appeared in ATPG 2.

when did i give this to you? can you reveal it in the thread plz?

[Cahoma]

This is all very confusing...

[classical_hero]

I am also waiting for the answer. So far, my best bet is "in Soviet Russia, whores go to you". But I might be messing up my genres here.
No spamming, please.

[El Barto]

Vote: Earthling

case is more compelling.
In spite of everything else that was posted?

You're next, Bart.

If you have any opposition to successful attempts to create doctors, that makes you a scumbag.
I had orders sent in my name for both a protection group and a vig group, thanks to your friend Xenoneb. Ask him.

:wall:

I don't even want to see that message. It's making me so upset.

All I can see is my name over and over again, mocking me.


Serves me right, though. I did ask for this, didn't I?

Hey look, I still have 45 minutes to sleep before work.
At least your hotmail account isn't mocking you.
No, but my yahoo mail account with... 18,681 messages in it is mocking me.
seriously, Pizza, you just could unburden yourself a bit and share the load around a few people whom you can trust. Unless you're a Serial Killer machinating for world domination, that is.

Umm, doesn't half the town scan as criminal?Probably.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm happy about the Earthling lynch even though it seems like he was in a protection group. That doesn't actually make him innocent (although it rules out a bunch of possibilities) and he was to eager to get a case going on anyone else he could.

Looks like the Seon thing has been resolved?

The stranger vs Subo is confusing, because the "real" pm conversation that TS posted seems clearly fake, but subo may have been lying about the time thing if TS's computer game excuse holds up.

[Subotan]

no explicit denials but since i wasnt sure of what i was accused i wasnt sure what i had to deny... your entire atittude seemed fishy and i didnt want to walk into a trap which i did eventually... seen the situation i am in.
Utter rubbish. I was very clear, since you had been very clear to me.


i dont know that is why i was interested in what you had to say. i do know that you have tampered with our conversation and that ive posted it as it was. afaik you didnt promise me anything as well...
Let's assume that your version is totally correct (As you say it is), and look at it from my perspective; what did you say in your version of the conversation that made me think I could blackmail you? Given that we all know that I tried to do so, there must have been something - to argue otherwise is to say that I behaved comp. So, the initial premise we assumed is flawed; that your version is the correct one. You are lying, and this is plain to see.



you have clearly changed dates. you say my first pm to you was sent at day 1 on 23.42 when i was playing age of empires 3. i have eloborately and effectively proven that i was in a game and you have chosen to ignore that entire thing. what do you have to say this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137953-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV&p=2053374829&viewfull=1#post2053374829)?
You must have alt+tabbed out of the game or something similar. The specifics are irrelevant - what matters is that you have been shown to be a third party force that should by lynched next round.


i dont know any of this or what this is about. i havent had any contact with acin and this story doesnt add up to what acin said., but please reveal that role if you have it.

here you make a mistake again. you share with acin after our skypeconvo of which we both agree was held on the 15th and not on the 12th. but acins reveal was already on the 14th on the exact time of 09-14-11 09:09 which was before our skype convo. so how could he know of my role if you hadnt told him yet?

however it is clear that ACIN atleast is talking about the same reveal since he says in his 2nd reveal on 09-16-11 02:50

he says he lied, it wasnt mafia it was me as a 3rd party role. but he couldnt have know that at the 14th since we hadnt had our skype convo and you hadnt contacted ACIN yet...


I revealed to him on the 13th after your "Haha" pm, which was a response to my threat.

He made up specific details, as I said, in order to convince you that I hadn't shared your secret with anyone and that I had held up my end of the bargain which I offered you (and which you rejected).


the question is why are you doing this?
The question is most certainly not that. The question is whether you are a scum or not. I have evidence in the form of PM and Skype conversations which argues that you are; you have not provided any valid evidence and/or counter-evidence that shows you are not.


you are quite sure of this but you have no proof except from pms you have tampered with and a skype convo in which i was already alerted to your weird behaviour.

*Sigh*

This is the last time I am repeating myself. I removed one sentence, of my own, from that conversation, and I am happy to reveal it to any who requests me over pm. The Director already knows what that sentence is.

but here you suddenly claim that you have seen my role.

I used intuition. If you are asking me if I am your faction leader, you can't be mafia, as all mafia know their dons. So, you are not mafia, and you would have revealed your role by now if you were town - ergo, you are third party.


and also ACIN talks as if hes seen my role
Ask him yourself then.

[thefluffyone93]

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/th_troll.png

[The Stranger]

Utter rubbish. I was very clear, since you had been very clear to me.

you didnt make any sense and still do not make sense on that part.



You must have alt+tabbed out of the game or something similar. The specifics are irrelevant - what matters is that you have been shown to be a third party force that should by lynched next round.

no the specifics are very relevant because you lie about the time and exactly the chronology is what the credibility of your story rests on and its clearly not valid.



I revealed to him on the 13th after your "Haha" pm, which was a response to my threat.

bs. prove that i sent it on the 12th. and also show my role because clearly ACIN is stating he has info about my role which i messed up sending to seamus... but this is clearly not the case. why are you covering for ACINs fake reveal?


He made up specific details, as I said, in order to convince you that I hadn't shared your secret with anyone and that I had held up my end of the bargain which I offered you (and which you rejected).

he never needed to convince me because i wasnt talking to him? according to your story i only talked to you, you revealed to acin, acin then revealed in thread through cryptic message but never contacted me. nor do you say that anywhere. the story you tell and the story acin is telling is conflicting.



The question is most certainly not that. The question is whether you are a scum or not. I have evidence in the form of PM and Skype conversations which argues that you are; you have not provided any valid evidence and/or counter-evidence that shows you are not.

i actually have. i have proven that you are lying about the date of me contacting you which is very fishy, because you and acin are trying to make me look to be something im not.

all you have are accusations. there is no real proof and there never will be because im not mafia nor 3rd party role.






I used intuition. If you are asking me if I am your faction leader, you can't be mafia, as all mafia know their dons. So, you are not mafia, and you would have revealed your role by now if you were town - ergo, you are third party.

i have already stated that i am townie. its you who have to show that socalled special info you have on my role that acin claims he has and that you now say he has got from you. but you dont have it because ive never told u anything like that. ive actually not ever told you anything except ask you to form ptgroups.

[Krill]

Can we please have links to all day/night etc posts placed in the first post? Many players do not have the time to look for the updates which get lost in the arguments/discussion/spam

[Riedquat]

Can we please have links to all day/night etc posts placed in the first post? Many players do not have the time to look for the updates which get lost in the arguments/discussion/spam

There is a separate thread with that info ;)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137997-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Information-and-Story-Summary-Thread.

[shlin28]

Can we please have links to all day/night etc posts placed in the first post? Many players do not have the time to look for the updates which get lost in the arguments/discussion/spam

Just look a few threads down and you'll see this: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137997-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Information-and-Story-Summary-Thread. :)

[Krill]

It's more that I want to see what gets posted after the summary posts. Consider this as a method of bookmarking the change between days and nights.

[gibsonsg91921]

EDIT: I didn't see that you had been answered ;)

[The Stranger]

i have found a couple of ways to prove once and for all the subotan is lying about the date but im not sure wether they are allowed... ill keep u guys updated.

[TheLastDays]

This is the last time I am repeating myself. I removed one sentence, of my own, from that conversation, and I am happy to reveal it to any who requests me over pm. The Director already knows what that sentence is.


I'd like this confirmed by GH. Don't tell us the sentence, if it makes sense to keep it secret but I'd like to know if Subotan told you about the missing sentence and if it makes sense in the course of the PM discussion. Does it fit? Does it make sense that he doesn't want to reveal it?

Other than that the whole discussion is pure WIFOM. Why would Subotan ever do that if he was scum? Why would he risk so much attention to get a basic townie lynched? On the other hand, why would a third party role blindly message anyone with the question if they are their secret leader? At the moment I'm inclined to lynch both of you because it is almost impossibe to solve this riddle, there's evidence on both sides, nothing 100% proof.

Also, are you both in the same timezone? Someone has to check how that affects the discussion about the timing of the first PM and TS' alleged AoE3 Game.

[The Stranger]

ok heres my update.

ive found a way to prove that subotan is lying about the date of our conversation. for this i need someone the town trusts to pass a verdict, but not GH since subotan has been way to close with GH knowing who he was intending to lynch in a case of a tie between ACIN and Earthling, and since he would pick Earthling over ACIN according to subotan there might just be a risk that they are in the same league.

To this person I will email my proof (it has to be emailed tho rest assured its not a screenshot or something) and I will also explain my actions to that person. he can then pass the verdict on to the town and i wont put anymore energy into this.

[TheLastDays]

You can trust me :yes:

But even if not everyone trusts me, and, trust me ( :wink: ), you won't find anyone who has everyone's trust, I'd still like to see that evidence for myself.

[Montmorency]

https://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9238/67493acac6761ec33e069b6.jpg

Oh god, they're zombies.




If you have any opposition to successful attempts to create doctors, that makes you a scumbag.

For the love of neutrality!


Again, I am happy to share this if asked.


If you're willing to give it to anyone via PM, why not just post it here?

[Subotan]

you didnt make any sense and still do not make sense on that part.

Not if we hold your account to be true, of course not. That is the very proof that you are lying.

In fact, let's go further, as if we need to. By your account, you open the conversation saying:


Do you want to form some protection groups?

I later respond saying:


I'm thinking of us joining in a protection group for the next few nights, so we can get some alibis for later in the game.
Now, why would I say that, given what you say you said? It's a redundant memo from the Department of Redundancy. You've been sloppy in covering up your tracks, Stranger.



no the specifics are very relevant because you lie about the time and exactly the chronology is what the credibility of your story rests on and its clearly not valid.
Um, OK. Lets assume that I am the one is lying - what facts about the rest of my argument must be changed to reflect this?

...

None, as it happens. You acknowledge that there were PM conversations between us, your PMs are blatantly fraudulent, and you have not provided any evidence to refute my allegation that you are third party scum. Please point out where your word against mine about this silly time issue invalidates one or more of those three parts of my argument.



bs. prove that i sent it on the 12th.
Can't - just as you can't prove your version. In any case, it's irrelevant - see above.



and also show my role because clearly ACIN is stating he has info about my role which i messed up sending to seamus...
I am getting tired of repeating myself - I have already pointed out numerous times that ACIN made stuff up in order to prevent you from catching on that I had leaked your alignment to him.


he never needed to convince me because i wasnt talking to him?
It was in the main thread >_>


according to your story i only talked to you, you revealed to acin, acin then revealed in thread through cryptic message but never contacted me.
See above.


nor do you say that anywhere. the story you tell and the story acin is telling is conflicting.
Lol, no it doesn't. Why does it conflict?


i actually have. i have proven that you are lying about the date of me contacting you which is very fishy, because you and acin are trying to make me look to be something im not.

all you have are accusations. there is no real proof and there never will be because im not mafia nor 3rd party role.
Hey guys, can we add this to the glossary? " Very Fishy Tactics - An argument against a case with solid proof that denies the very existence of said proof"

EDIT:
ive found a way to prove that subotan is lying about the date of our conversation. for this i need someone the town trusts to pass a verdict, but not GH since subotan has been way to close with GH knowing who he was intending to lynch in a case of a tie between ACIN and Earthling, and since he would pick Earthling over ACIN according to subotan there might just be a risk that they are in the same league.

So basically, somebody who is the Director, but who isn't GH? How do we know the good townie who volunteers isn't just your third party don?


If you're willing to give it to anyone via PM, why not just post it here?
Because I don't want to.

[Zack]

There is just no way I can keep up with this thread. I give up on reading it.

[Xenoneb]

There is just no way I can keep up with this thread. I give up on reading it.
Just skip the text walls. They aren't very important. :)

[The Stranger]

Um, OK. Lets assume that I am the one is lying - what facts about the rest of my argument must be changed to reflect this?

...

None, as it happens. You acknowledge that there were PM conversations between us, your PMs are blatantly fraudulent, and you have not provided any evidence to refute my allegation that you are third party scum. Please point out where your word against mine about this silly time issue invalidates one or more of those three parts of my argument.

how about the entire part where you claim that you are the one who revealed to ACIN who then revealed in thread? which is another lie then, 2 in a row, which then leads to a 3rd because you are then obviously trying to cover for ACIN who tried to cover himself with another fake reveal.


It was in the main thread >_>

but it wasnt aimed at me... it was in general. how do you convince someone that doesnt know you are talking to him?

anyway, ive already informed one person. im going to email several more to insure that i get a fair trial. add me on msn if u want to be a candidate.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

how about the entire part where you claim that you are the one who revealed to ACIN who then revealed in thread? which is another lie then, 2 in a row, which then leads to a 3rd because you are then obviously trying to cover for ACIN who tried to cover himself with another fake reveal.

Ok, so why did they lie about it? I tend to believe you that they are lying, because you sound like mafia picking out the one false detail from an accusation and making a big fuss about it.

[Montmorency]

Nothing.

[The Stranger]

Ok, so why did they lie about it? I tend to believe you that they are lying, because you sound like mafia picking out the one false detail from an accusation and making a big fuss about it.

well its not a detail... if subo is lying about the dates which he is and if im right then i didnt contact him untill yesterday.

which means that ACIN made a reveal about a role on the 14t. Later on the 16th in a 2nd reveal ACIN says he has lied about the first reveal but he is now coming forward with the real one.

but according to subos story it was subo who told ACIN of my role and then ACIN made up the reveal. however if me and subo hadnt talked to ACIN prior to his reveal then obviously ACINs reveal is fake or regarding someone else. either way they are lying about me.

[Cahoma]

I've read everything and I'm still confused... Can someone make a summery or something?

[SisterCoyote]

Nevermind. I post slow.

[Cahoma]

I was thinking someone could explain all this drama with Subotan and The Stranger.

[Subotan]

but it wasnt aimed at me... it was in general. how do you convince someone that doesnt know you are talking to him?
ACIN considered you bright enough to recognise he would be talking about you if he had revealed someone with the exact information that you had leaked to me.



anyway, ive already informed one person. im going to email several more to insure that i get a fair trial. add me on msn if u want to be a candidate.
Fair trials are conducted in public, FYI.


well its not a detail... if subo is lying about the dates which he is and if im right then i didnt contact him untill yesterday.

which means that ACIN made a reveal about a role on the 14t. Later on the 16th in a 2nd reveal ACIN says he has lied about the first reveal but he is now coming forward with the real one.


but according to subos story it was subo who told ACIN of my role and then ACIN made up the reveal. however if me and subo hadnt talked to ACIN prior to his reveal then obviously ACINs reveal is fake or regarding someone else. either way they are lying about me.
.

Let's rephrase that end sentence to reflect reality:


but according to subos story it was subo who told ACIN of my role and then ACIN made up the reveal. however if me and subo hadnt talked to ACIN prior to his reveal then obviously ACINs reveal is fake or regarding someone else either way this says nothing about whether The Stranger is scum or not



I was thinking someone could explain all this drama with Subotan and The Stranger.



Stranger contacted me asking if I was his "hub" he was supposed to contact. I led him on for a bit, then tried to blackmail him to get more info about him and his faction out of him. Stranger says he just contacted me asking to joina vig group; this has been proven to be false by the fact that I would not try to blackmail him if he had done so as he would not have revealed any dirt.

[thefluffyone93]

Just skip the text walls. They aren't very important. :)

Giant obnoxious pictures, on the other hand, are extremely important, and should never be skipped.

[GamezRule]

Giant obnoxious pictures, on the other hand, are extremely important, and should never be skipped.
For the love of monkey, could you please stop posting memes?

[Xenoneb]

To true, Fluffy.

[Xenoneb]

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[Riedquat]

I was thinking someone could explain all this drama with Subotan and The Stranger.

And... not forget ACIN!

ACIN comes day 1 and says a mafioso revealed accidentally to him via pm...
Sometime in day 2 The Stanger contact Subotan asking for doing some action at night (if you believe Subotan, The stanger slips some info compromising him as a third party mafioso)
Sometime in same day 2 Subotan say it to ACIN
Sometime in same day 2 ACIN uses his time machine and goes back on time to day 1 and invent the thing about the pm...

Now they are discussing how that was possible and if it was possible... bleh!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, ACIN made up the story about the mafioso contacting him (my initial impression) just for fun.

Later, The stranger contacts Subotan asking about the hub.

Subotan tells ACIN about it.

ACIN comes under heavy pressure, and decides to act like his story was real all along by saying it was the stranger. Subotan goes along because they are buds.

Thus our current scenario where the stranger is clearly scum of some kind but knows that subotan is lying about part of the story and trying to exploit that.

[The Stranger]

So, ACIN made up the story about the mafioso contacting him (my initial impression) just for fun.

Later, The stranger contacts Subotan asking about the hub.

Subotan tells ACIN about it.

ACIN comes under heavy pressure, and decides to act like his story was real all along by saying it was the stranger. Subotan goes along because they are buds.

Thus our current scenario where the stranger is clearly scum of some kind but knows that subotan is lying about part of the story and trying to exploit that.

so wait. let me get this right: ACIN can make stuff up for fun and later use it in some scummy attempt to save himself from getting lynched

but TS cant pm someone for fun and when he later gets sandwiched by some scum, ofcourse only for fun, he is scum even tho the ppl that accuse him are clearly lying and hiding stuff?

really sound reasoning.

[The Stranger]

Ok anyway here is the truth. I can prove the dates of our conversation and that it was on the 15th and not the 12th like Subo says, and also that the importance of this is much more significant than Sasaki makes it look like. However i have to wait for seamus his confirmation to prove the dates. its not important however for the rest of the story so here it goes.

this is the true version of our pms including the bit subo left out which i bolded.







Are you the hub I'm supposed to link up with?

Yeaup, and you're not the first to link up with me. Did you pick up on the SSV code in some of my posts?

I've already had some ideas about longer term strategy, but I'm not sure what to do tonight. Thoughts?

I'm rather clueless and I thought that you would provide me with orders and also brief me about our current situation.

Oh of course, I just wanted to see how much you already knew. What do you want to know about?

I'm thinking of us joining in a protection group for the next few nights, so we can get some alibis for later in the game.

Is there a way that we could speak more directly? Through skype or msn?

I knew only to look out for certain keywords, but for example I don't know our numbers or other names. You are the first I've contacted. I don't want to know more than I need to actually.
Alright, that's enough information to get you lynched.

Start talking. What is your role? What does CDTC mean? What is this "hub"? What are these code words? What are these numbers/other names?

I'm not going to spill the beans on you - there is absolutely no incentive for me to do so. I am however going to blackmail you. If you don't answer my questions and keep me informed as to the developments of your faction, then I will of course reveal you to be a scum of whatever kind.

Oh, and one last thing - if you try to kill me, I guarantee that you will be lynched the following day. This is not an idle threat or a bluff, and you will treat as such at your peril.


Explanation of my actions

I've PM'd Subotan randomly, that is to say, I knew what I was going to PM but I PM'd it randomly to Subotan. I don't know why I picked him, it was an impulsive act. I PM'd what I PM'd because I was bored and didn't have any contacts. I've done this many times during most mafia games I played, I do stuff like this when the game is moving to slow for me.

My PM was intended as a prope to see if I'd get any type of response, and yes, I did. Subotan responded to me about some code. Eager but also naively and at the same time, oddly weary, I replied back to Subotan's code. I didn't directly refer to it as so that the code might not be pinned on me, in case he might want to do what he's doing now.

I didn't post anything about this until now that I realized that SSV might be a symbol for the USA and have something to do with the Commies groups. The SSV being a symbol for the States, I searched the thread and found 2 more instances of him referring to this code.

When he threatened me I didn't think he was going to do anything serious so I insisted on talking to him on skype to see how he would react. But it turned out to be a boring conversation and pretty fruitless.

I think I do have hit on scum here now that ACIN has been trying to use my stupid probe born out of boredom to cover for his even more stupid but in retrospect lucky reveal about some mafia role. The way they jumped on this to save ACIN from getting lynched is just too scummy. And also he didn't want to say anything about the code in public.

I lied about the PM's because I did make a stupid move but since Subotan tampered with them I thought i could just do the same. I shouldn't have done that, and for that I'm sincerely sorry.

So then we come to the part where we count the lies.

TS: 1 lie (about the PM's)
ACIN: 2 lies (he made 2 fake reveals)
Subotan: 2 lies (he lied about the date of our PM's and he lied about the content of our PM's)

[ While emotions may be running high, you still need to mind your language, TS - Sec ]

[Xenoneb]

That's according to you. This is what we know for sure
TS: 1 lie (about the PM's)
ACIN: 1 lies (he made a fake reveals)
Subotan: 0 lies

[The Stranger]

no subotan lied took stuff out of the pm. and hes obviously lying about the date. my alibi of aoe3 should cover that but since he claims i can alt tab, which i cant but cant prove either im waiting for seamus to aprove of my method. if he doesnt i forfeit this game anyway because he leaves me no way to prove my innocence.

[Craterus]

Trolls trolling trolls. What better summation of this board today...

[Xenoneb]

I'm saying the lies that are provable... AKA the person admitted it. And also it is possible that you sent it during the same game. Not likely, but possible.

[The Stranger]

he admitted only cuz i pointed it out. and since i admitted too does that now put my lie on 0? no thats not how it works... and since acin is still lying about the dates that means that he still has 2 lies.

anyway now im really off to bed. gn

[Xenoneb]

Good night.
Edit: Your sig is probably right.:yes:

[shlin28]

This is getting stupid now... next day can we lynch ACIN, Subotan and The Stranger? All of them (I think?) has lied in public, and not for the good of the town either. ACIN is doing it for the lolz, Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons and The Stranger is lying in response to Subotan's 'lies'. Kill them all I say, let the autopsies sort them out.

[Subotan]

So, ACIN made up the story about the mafioso contacting him (my initial impression) just for fun.

Later, The stranger contacts Subotan asking about the hub.

Subotan tells ACIN about it.

ACIN comes under heavy pressure, and decides to act like his story was real all along by saying it was the stranger. Subotan goes along because they are buds.

Thus our current scenario where the stranger is clearly scum of some kind but knows that subotan is lying about part of the story and trying to exploit that.
Congratulations Sasaki, you've worked it out. That's why I was raging about ACIN making my life complicated, as I wanted to avoid saying "Nope, ACIN is lying", because that makes it seem like he's automatically scum (He may yet be, but that's for us to find out later on, rather than deciding here and now on Day 3). The Stranger's account of the date is correct; everything else I've said has been the truth.



I've PM'd Subotan randomly, that is to say, I knew what I was going to PM but I PM'd it randomly to Subotan. I don't know why I picked him, it was an impulsive act. I PM'd what I PM'd because I was bored and didn't have any contacts. I've done this many times during most mafia games I played, I do stuff like this when the game is moving to slow for me.

My PM was intended as a prope to see if I'd get any type of response, and yes, I did. Subotan responded to me about some code. Eager but also naively and at the same time, oddly weary, I replied back to Subotan's code. I didn't directly refer to it as so that the code might not be pinned on me, in case he might want to do what he's doing now.

I didn't post anything about this until now that I realized that SSV might be a symbol for the USA and have something to do with the Commies groups. The SSV being a symbol for the States, I searched the thread and found 2 more instances of him referring to this code.


You should have googled "SSV". Had you done so, then you would have realised that both of my references to SSV were to vehicles of some kind - aka the SSV SR-1 Normandy. (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/SSV_Normandy) I have been dropping Mass Effect references all game, so I thought SSV would be appropriate. The code was a fake meant to lure out third party players looking for their leader; as it happens, I succeeded.


I think I do have hit on scum here now that ACIN has been trying to use my stupid probe born out of boredom to cover for his even more stupid but in retrospect lucky reveal about some mafia role. The way they jumped on this to save ACIN from getting lynched is just too scummy. And also he didn't want to say anything about the code in public.
ACIN's initial reveal was a lie. He revealed this to me; in exchange, I told him about what you had PMed me.

[Visor]

This is getting stupid now... next day can we lynch ACIN, Subotan and The Stranger? All of them (I think?) has lied in public, and not for the good of the town either. ACIN is doing it for the lolz, Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons and The Stranger is lying in response to Subotan's 'lies'. Kill them all I say, let the autopsies sort them out.

I agree.

[Subotan]

Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons

I redacted the SSV code as I wanted to see if I could trap more third parties with it once all this was over, and I removed the last sentence of my last PM because it's was unnecessary to the case and in retrospect, a bit silly.

[shlin28]

So basically, it was like this?


ACIN lied for the lolz.
Time passes

ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz.
Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
Subotan told ACIN about the PM
ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
Chaos ensues

Hence:
ACIN - 100% unproductive to the town, possible scum
Subtoan - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum
The Stranger - Sort of unproductive to the town, higher chance of being scum

I don't see how any of you can emerge from this untarnished :book:

[Subotan]

The order was actually:


ACIN lied for the lolz.
Time passes

Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
Subotan told ACIN about the PM
ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
Chaos ensues




ACIN - 100% unproductive to the town, possible scum
The Stranger - Sort of unproductive to the town, higher chance of being scum
Subotan - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum


EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum

[Xenoneb]

The order was actually:


ACIN lied for the lolz.
Time passes

Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
Subotan told ACIN about the PM
ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
Chaos ensues




EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum
Referring to yourself in the third person? Very questionable... :cheesy:

[ULC]

Well, this was an entertaining day. You guys just going to burnout on the first few days? :P

[Xenoneb]

They'll be dead be then. No offense.

[a completely inoffensive name]

[ The troll face alone doesn't give a post substance - Sec ]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So basically, it was like this?


ACIN lied for the lolz.
Time passes

ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz.
Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
Subotan told ACIN about the PM
ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
Chaos ensues



8. We elect ACIN director tomorrow, for the lolz.

[TheLastDays]

unnecessary [...] and in retrospect, a bit silly.

Sums up the whole argument for me. Seriously, let's have a closer look at this in the morning. Good night!

[Chaotix]

You guys know that SSV is a reference to a game called Mass Effect, right?

It has nothing to do with this game or any sort of secret third party; it's just Subotan screwing around and making Commander Shepard quotes.

That said, if Subotan has to screw around and make quotes, they had better be from Commander Shepard. He's going to save the galaxy whether we like it or not.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Btw, in case all you nay sayers want to lynch me for trolling around, in case you haven't noticed this trolling around has exposed 1 scum person already (stranger).

what you guys really want to do now, is look at the people who reacted to my trolling by changing votes or opinions because the people who really knew I was full of **** were the mafia people themselves.

I have a feeling more than one mafioso made a mistake by trying to abuse my foolish nature for his own good.

I'm off to celebrate by going to a sports game, see you all tomorrow! Trolololololololololololol

[Xenoneb]

The order was actually:


ACIN lied for the lolz.
Time passes

Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
Subotan told ACIN about the PM
ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
Chaos ensues

8. ???
9. Profit!
It's all part of some sort of commie plot! Pinkos!

[thefluffyone93]

[ Nor do memes - Sec ]

[Montmorency]

After following Subo's excellent Googling suggestion, I found that among the many things SSV is...


In 1917 Revolutionary fervour engulfed Sweden. Riots took place in many cities. In Västervik a workers council took control of day-to-day affairs. In Stockholm soldiers marched together with workers on May Day. In the upper-class neighbourhood of Stockholm, Östermalm, residents formed paramilitary structures to defend themselves from a possible armed revolution.

The Social Democratic Left Party of Sweden (SSV) was founded following a split in the Social Democratic Party. The new party was mainly founded by the youth league under the leadership of Zeth Höglund. SSV was a broad-based socialist party, encompassing many leftist tendencies.

In 1919 SSV became a founding member of the Communist International. A small section of the party left in protest.In 1921 in accordance with the 21 theses of the Comintern, the party name was changed to Sveriges Kommunistiska Parti (Communist Party of Sweden). Liberal and non-revolutionary elements were purged. They regrouped under the name SSV. In total 6,000 out of 17,000 party members were expelled.

Fishing for third-party members indeed.

[gnarlycharlie]

In spite of everything else that was posted?


i was catching up at the time. had 3 to 4 pages to go with 5 minutes to vote. didn't even reach the whole stranger bit.

[classical_hero]

Can we have Subotan and The Stranger killed tonight? That will solve so many problems we are having right now.

[Subotan]

You guys know that SSV is a reference to a game called Mass Effect, right?

It has nothing to do with this game or any sort of secret third party; it's just Subotan screwing around and making Commander Shepard quotes.

That said, if Subotan has to screw around and make quotes, they had better be from Commander Shepard. He's going to save the galaxy whether we like it or not.
Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you. Getting a lot of scum on this line.


After following Subo's excellent Googling suggestion, I found that among the many things SSV is...



Fishing for third-party members indeed.

Haha, what? Are you honestly arguing that despite the Mass Effect references I've dropped since before we got our PMs (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137555-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Sign-up-sheet&p=2053368567&viewfull=1#post2053368567), that my use of SSV proves I am a Swedish member of a Euroscommunist political party that existed from 1921-1923? On the Eastern Sideboard of the United States? Huh?

[Beefy187]

Can we have Subotan and The Stranger killed tonight? That will solve so many problems we are having right now.

That could work.
Unless they claim to be someone important

[Camikaze]

Vote: Abstain

[Montmorency]

^ Impossible.

[Montmorency]

Perhaps an FBI detective out there would like to scan one of this trio? Particularly Subo, as the innocence of the other two practically hinges on his status.

[edse]

Vote: Abstain

Who is Abstain? Can't see him on the list.



It would be easier to keep track of if you send two PMs, one for active and one for passive. Also, please label all such as "n2"

What would a passive order be?

[Erebus]

ACIN was panicking, he thought he was about 4 or 5 votes from being lynch (the reality he was about 10 or 11) and revealed Stranger to save his ass.

There is some sort of woven fabric of lies between them that is entirely impenetrable with some sort of subpena for hard drives.

If they survive the night, they need to lynched. We can sort the truth from the bodies.

There's most likely 1 scum (possibly 3!) among them, and I like those odds.

[Choxorn]

Can we have Subotan and The Stranger killed tonight? That will solve so many problems we are having right now.

And ACIN, kill him too.

[a completely inoffensive name]

There's most likely 1 scum (possibly 3!) among them, and I like those odds.

There are 6 scum among the three of us!?!?!?!

[landlubber]

What's your point, ACIN; that making jokes about math is fun? Could we please get more done and spam less? As far as I can tell, we've been fluctuating wildly between targets lately, with little to no real consensus on any of them.

[slashandburn]

The inherent scumminess of the entire exchange has caused you all to level up to scum level 2, your new trait is
Scummy: This trait insures that you will either be killed, lynched or repeatedly investigated in 3 days most likely more than one. Good Luck.

[Erebus]

What's your point, ACIN; that making jokes about math is fun? Could we please get more done and spam less? As far as I can tell, we've been fluctuating wildly between targets lately, with little to no real consensus on any of them.

I'm just sad that it took me way too long to figure out he was talking about factorials.

The fact of the matter is, those walls of texts are them arguing with each other and proving nothing to us. People did scummy things, whether for the good of the town or not, they got caught. There's nothing they can do that can save them, in my opinion. Sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I need two protection groups to do work for tonight.

I will take the first 6-8 volunteers. PM me only.

[Xenoneb]

What for?

[El Barto]

Giant obnoxious pictures, on the other hand, are extremely important, and should never be skipped.

For the love of monkey, could you please stop posting memes?
For the love of Ceilingcat, you mean. You have to catmaniacs here, be respectful.

So, ACIN made up the story about the mafioso contacting him (my initial impression) just for fun.

Later, The stranger contacts Subotan asking about the hub.

Subotan tells ACIN about it.

ACIN comes under heavy pressure, and decides to act like his story was real all along by saying it was the stranger. Subotan goes along because they are buds.

Thus our current scenario where the stranger is clearly scum of some kind but knows that subotan is lying about part of the story and trying to exploit that.
So, um…all for the lulz? Yes, acin, it might have made a scummer come out, but at the cost of several hundred posts of nonsense that force dozens of people into lurker mode.

Trolls trolling trolls. What better summation of this board today...
Better summation? Trololololololololol, trololololo!!!

Vote: Abstain
Eh? At least make an anti-lurker pressure vote, all you have to do is open the Who's Posted? tab. That is, if it were day…

There are 6 scum among the three of us!?!?!?!
Not funny.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What for?

For protection, obviously. Seems I've reached the limits of what I can do behind this desk and others might have more luck.

[El Barto]

Same as I said two or three hundred posts ago. Unburden something on people you can trust or you'll have a brain asplosion. Good night. Oh, and it's just past midnight here, so it's Caturday!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I need one volunteer to fill in for a vigilante group person who dropped out.

You get to attack me. Seriously. Why would you say no, honestly?

Either I make a doctor or I kill myself in hilarious fashion. It's a win-win for the spectators.

[El Barto]

And for whoever isn't on your side, which will be proved by your autopsy. :p

Edit: what???? no :P=tongue smiley? Grrrrr.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You'd think finding folks who would get their jollies from killing me would be easy.

[El Barto]

Your user title discourages us.

[sturmhauke]

I'm in favor of whacking ACIN just for using the trollface picture. Subotan and Stranger can go along for the ride too.

[White_eyes:D]

You'd think finding folks who would get their jollies from killing me would be easy. I just imagined everyone plotting your demise in there evil secret lair right now.:evil:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just imagined everyone plotting your demise in there evil secret lair right now.:evil:

FOS White_Eyes.

Title used to be incorruptible, now Semi-corruptible. You just admitted to being mafia.

[White_eyes:D]

They had cookies.:shrug:

[Subotan]

The inherent scumminess of the entire exchange has caused you all to level up to scum level 2, your new trait is
Scummy: This trait insures that you will either be killed, lynched or repeatedly investigated in 3 days most likely more than one. Good Luck.

FOS: slash and earn

[Moros]

Do you still need someone to help you out Pizza?

[Moros]

Just saw you were searching for someone to attack rather than protect. I'd rather do the latter really.

Damn guys, it's going to take a while for me to be up to date after being away for three days. I think I'm just going to read the last ten to eight pages or something. It's always the same with these capo games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you still need someone to help you out Pizza?

Protection is fine, but we won't have the people required to protect everyone important forever. As such, we need doctors.

As such, we need vigilantes. Simple, simple.

Why there isn't more support for this is beyond me.


@All-
You're all a bunch of mafia gangsters or mafia gangsters to be! Why do you even keep up this pro-town pretense? Honestly?

That said, don't care. I offered, you declined. Bebe, you're still kewl.

[Diamondeye]

Just skip the text walls. They aren't very important. :)

This is rule #1 in Mafia strategy. It works every time :beam:


This is getting stupid now... next day can we lynch ACIN, Subotan and The Stranger?

Yes.


Edit: what???? no :P=tongue smiley? Grrrrr.

Try colons; :tongue:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There will be a delay for the results and writeup.

Orders stamped before the timed deadline will be accepted and processed as soon as I get time.

Real Life is intruding. We moved homes on the 9th, and today is not a siesta day (like I had thought) but a work day -- I will be back online to get stuff done as soon as possible.

Thanks for your forbearance.

[Xenoneb]

No new post in five hours?

[Montmorency]

Don't worry, there will be 500 more posts within 24 hours.

[Populus Romanus]

Grrr...moar activity please.

[Xenoneb]

At least it's better then the text walls...

[Askthepizzaguy]

So before we continue, how about we start making preparations for tomorrow?


It's very clear that folks are having trouble with the groups. Because I got almost no volunteers today, I was forced to recycle N1 people and not all of them wished to be involved. Some made that clear at too late an hour.

As such, doctor promotion is getting delayed due to lack of vigilantes and no time to fix it.

So, if you're a member of these groups and you see that your efforts are for naught, I have a proposal for your consideration-



1) At the start of each day phase, people identify as "group organizers", and they send out invites to folks they want to work with, except to people who have chosen to opt-out.
2) People can choose not to identify as "group organizers" and keep their efforts in secret.
3) People can ask to be automatically signed up for group operations the next night, to save time and invites. And say they'd rather protect, kill, or attack a protected target.
4) Group organizers can try to lock in several groups before night time comes. That way, fewer people will bail at the last minute.


I'd like to try to cut down on the disorganization.

You see, when folks agree to do actions, if they change their minds or make multiple requests to join groups, the organizers are left with 2-6 people who were relying on that other person to show up and they must all change their orders for a new order to function, and there isn't time for that with 6 hours or 2 hours left in a night phase.

If people want to promote to ANYTHING, they must understand that signing up to multiple groups is going to get people very frustrated with them. Enough to, you know, kill them immediately if given the chance.

However, if the organizer has assumed incorrectly that they wish to be signed up again, that's the organizer's fault and the organizer should have prepared for 1 drop out due to error.

Ordinarily I would but folks didn't show as much enthusiasm for N2 actions as they did N1. As such, I didn't have room for drop-outs this time, and my groups (vigilante, anyway) will be mostly non-functional. That's a waste of like 30 people's time.

We can't afford that to keep happening. So the new system is in place. That covers my end.

But from this time forward, if proper group etiquette is not adhered to, the vigilantes in question will be prioritizing the utter annihilation of deserters. And this will be your only warning.

[Xenoneb]

So if some one leaves a group, they're dead?

[DaveShack]

I guess people want to see what happened first, which is understandable. Edit: to clarify, I was responding to the "nothing happening" posts... :bow:

No complaints surfaced, that's good. My commiserations to the host, and since nobody else has said it, I for one can live with a speed bump or two along the way. And I really appreciate the notice, lets me know to use today as a "honey do" day instead of sitting by the computer and ignoring the family.

Thinking ahead to the impending day, we have a selection and a lynch, right? I found yesterday's lynch method to be quite different, though I haven't had the pleasure of Capo before so have nothing to compare to. Nevertheless I'm satisfied, for now, to select: GH for another term. <yes, I know that may not count -- won't mind repeating myself later if necessary>

[DaveShack]

So if some one leaves a group, they're dead?
Leaving a group openly, by declining an invitation, is one thing. Deserting is another. I know I'd be pissed if no shows resulted in a bunch of wasted time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So if some one leaves a group, they're dead?

Depends on the circumstances. If it can be shown it's the group organizer's fault because the organizer assumed too much, or if others in the group fail to send in orders, then it is legitimate cause to leave a group at any time.

If someone opts-out with 24 hours notice (start of night phase) no reason is even required.

If someone opts-out with 12 hours notice and a good reason, that's fine.

If someone opts-out with less than 12 hours to go, they're going to be considered a traitor and will be directly blamed for group failures, and assumed to be mafia.

[DaveShack]

However, if the organizer has assumed incorrectly that they wish to be signed up again, that's the organizer's fault and the organizer should have prepared for 1 drop out due to error.

I heard about someone who didn't like that kind of assumption, but carried on with the assignment anyway. But I'd say it's best not to assume anything about the next night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I heard about someone who didn't like that kind of assumption, but carried on with the assignment anyway. But I'd say it's best not to assume anything about the next night.

Yeah, and ordinarily I wouldn't, but with peeps who need protection every night, I can't afford not to make some assumptions. They're sort of persuasive and it gets people involved in the security of Fatlington.

That said, a chance at protecting folks is better than none, but I won't hold anyone responsible but myself if someone was in a group because I said so, and they didn't say so. We'll be cutting down on that tomorrow and I'll be more proactive about confirming people before locking.

[Moros]

I understand your frustration Pizza, but it sounds a bit drastic. On the other hand it's not a bad idea to get us more work done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Speaking of which, lets' save some time and a whole lot of PM headaches.


If you'd like to opt-in to my groups automatically, PM me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/private.php?do=newpm&u=23872) and state your preference. I'll maintain a list with your name on it.
If you'd like to opt-out and never get another message or invite from me again, PM me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/private.php?do=newpm&u=23872), and I'll consider you someone I'm not allowed to pester.



Feel free to change your mind later with another PM message.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand your frustration Pizza, but it sounds a bit drastic. On the other hand it's not a bad idea to get us more work done.

The drastic part is the consequences of being a traitor intentionally. Surely that requires some drastic consequences.

It is a reflection of not only my own personal frustration, but you know those folks out there who want to become doctors, detectives, vigilantes, wiseguys, rogue detectives, and surgeons? They're risking their lives and investing their time in something that doesn't work. They're going to get super ticked off at folks who intentionally sabotage them.

I won't be responsible for what happens if people backstab their group partners.

I will be responsible if it is my fault, and I'm putting policies in place to ensure it will never be my fault again.

[Moros]

The drastic part is the consequences of being a traitor intentionally. Surely that requires some drastic consequences.

It is a reflection of not only my own personal frustration, but you know those folks out there who want to become doctors, detectives, vigilantes, wiseguys, rogue detectives, and surgeons? They're risking their lives and investing their time in something that doesn't work. They're going to get super ticked off at folks who intentionally sabotage them.

I won't be responsible for what happens if people backstab their group partners.

I will be responsible if it is my fault, and I'm putting policies in place to ensure it will never be my fault again.
Yeah, I guess you are quite right. I was just a bit surprised about this decision of yours. Actually its mostly sad it had to happen.

[DaveShack]

I don't think this is so much a decision as it's good insight into reality. Someone who backstabs a townie group is most likely scum or potential scum. And if they have a good excuse they shouldn't face repercussions. Sounds like a good policy all around.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh god.

I've become a politician.

Great, now I'm Senator Askthepizzaguy. :wall: I've become my own worst nightmare.

[White_eyes:D]

Depends on the circumstances. If it can be shown it's the group organizer's fault because the organizer assumed too much, or if others in the group fail to send in orders, then it is legitimate cause to leave a group at any time.

If someone opts-out with 24 hours notice (start of night phase) no reason is even required.

If someone opts-out with 12 hours notice and a good reason, that's fine.

If someone opts-out with less than 12 hours to go, they're going to be considered a traitor and will be directly blamed for group failures, and assumed to be mafia.Good guideline, it is surprising that we are even having trouble with this. I know I never had this problem in Capo 3.:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good guideline, it is surprising that we are even having trouble with this. I know I never had this problem in Capo 3.:no:



A lot of new players
It's still early in the game, sending orders isn't familiar yet
People are less sure which path they want to take
My groups are the ones most likely to be targeted for infiltration and disruption since they're being coordinated together, thus they're a bigger threat.



All of this is expected and I should have more adequately prepared for it, I just have RL concerns this time I didn't have last time.

[White_eyes:D]

People need to get used to sending in orders early, I know it sucks to spam peoples inbox's but you do what you need to do. The path that one should take if townie or wiseguy is...."Go with the flow", You can't predict what will happen and getting infiltrated is par for the course right now. Paranoia and bailing out of groups at the last second get you lynched/killed. I know I am "Mr.Paranoid himself" but its a little weird finding people more paranoid then me.:sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

People need to get used to sending in orders early, I know it sucks to spam peoples inbox's but you do what you need to do. The path that one should take if townie or wiseguy is...."Go with the flow", You can't predict what will happen and getting infiltrated is par for the course right now. Paranoia and bailing out of groups at the last second get you lynched/killed. I know I am "Mr.Paranoid himself" but its a little weird finding people more paranoid then me.:sweatdrop:

You did well in Capo III though, you were one of the few peeps consistently in my corner, and I was revealed to be neutral and a murderer.

You've never been more correct on a call, mister White_Eyes. :bow: And I concur with your present plan. Seems you're on your game with this Capo business.

[Xenoneb]

I really feel your pain, ATPG. I got 13 people, and ended up making a protection group that night. That's all.

[Ishmael]

Hi guys, unfortunately I'll be away from a computer until 4pm tomorrow Australian EST (about 31 hours by my mental calculations). Try not to lynch me while I'm out :beam:. From what I gather, we vote to lynch today but don't select the director? In which case, I'll vote: abstain (as I have no idea what the deal is with Subotan/TS). Sorry to bail on you guys, I'll be back for tomorrow's day phase.

[DaveShack]

While we're on this lull, I'll take the opportunity to ask what's up with that mailing list thing. I had given some contact info but never received any of the mass mailings -- or any email for that matter.
daveshack {dot} cfc {at} gmail {dot} com

[El Barto]

Oh god.

I've become a politician.

Great, now I'm Senator Askthepizzaguy. :wall: I've become my own worst nightmare.
You have not been elected. Is this legal?

While we're on this lull, I'll take the opportunity to ask what's up with that mailing list thing. I had given some contact info but never received any of the mass mailings -- or any email for that matter.
I don't hold much with email contact, but I check my inbox here at least once a day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really feel your pain, ATPG. I got 13 people, and ended up making a protection group that night. That's all.

This is a tragic waste of resources, manpower, and time, and a travesty of the highest order.

This I cannot accept. This will cease to be the case from now on. I want all organizers on board with the new system. You do as you will, but we become much more organized and we hold members accountable, and by accountable, I mean if they betray you then we will account for the many places they end up, and every piece that can be found.

[El Barto]

So if some one leaves a group, they're dead?
How? They might get killed, but no rule states anything about leaving groups. Still, after the mess you made on Night One…

[Xenoneb]

How? They might get killed, but no rule states anything about leaving groups.

Depends on the circumstances. If it can be shown it's the group organizer's fault because the organizer assumed too much, or if others in the group fail to send in orders, then it is legitimate cause to leave a group at any time.

If someone opts-out with 24 hours notice (start of night phase) no reason is even required.

If someone opts-out with 12 hours notice and a good reason, that's fine.

If someone opts-out with less than 12 hours to go, they're going to be considered a traitor and will be directly blamed for group failures, and assumed to be mafia.
This.

[El Barto]

Yes, I know, but it's not exactly the same as 'being dead' per the rules.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

“Destoyed and left to face the suffering a shttered fragment is all that remains a shttered fragment of the strength once left before destroyed and left alone alone no emotions left hatred is all that can survive existance persistance in the vain hope to to return alive when fighting is but a reflex on all sides blades are drawn…”
….The Slaughter Begins
….Day of Contempt


Night Two -- The Streets of Fatlington


Cal King – sometimes known as a completely inoffensive name strode briskly out of the lobby of the Convention Center, hat low to keep out the drizzle. He had barely reached the curb when the gunmen stood up and started hammering at him with revolvers and a shotgun.

He went down quickly, but before one of the trio of gunmen could move forward to make sure of their kill, a bus pulled up between them and Cal. As they move forward to flank the bus, a trio of balaclava-covered men grabbed Montmorency up bodily and spirited him back into the lobby of the convention center – and the waiting cadre of Fatlington’s finest.

Seeing this, the lead gunman signaled his two fellow shooters, shook his head that they were not enough, and sent them back to the shadows.

King was dazed but alive and more or less unhurt – and quite happy with whoever had sowed the armor plates into his coat and hat. They had come in handy.


El Barto had made it to the front stoop of his brownstone without any trouble at all. The night was drizzly, but not truly cold. Unknown to him, four well-hidden gunmen were standing up at various places across from his doorway as El Barto was reaching for his keys.

“Meeeeew….”

Hearing the kitten at the front of the side alley next to his brownstone, El Barto immediately swung himself over the railing, hopping down to see to the poor kitten’s needs – and neatly missing the barrage of gunfire that hammered his door. Another pair of gunmen opened fire from behind the brownstone, shooting down the alley. El Barto ducked down, but before he could think of anything to do to avoid his fate, the grate he was on collapsed and deposited him in the basement of his own home. Against all the odds, he hadn’t even taken a graze.

Hearing sirens, the gunmen moved back into the shadows and away from harm. El Barto, still a little stunned at his own blind luck, looked at the gently purring kitten still cradled in one arm.

“I think I’m gonna name you ‘Felix.’”


Master Necromanver was sitting outside, on the steps of his townhouse, staring off into the distance. He had been sitting there for quite some time, with a blank expression on his face.

A car pulled up to the curb, and a man in a trenchcoat and fedora stepped out of it. The glowing sign on top of the vehicle made plain who it was that was approaching. The man in the trenchcoat and fedora walked up the steps, carrying a steaming box of pizza.

"Pizza delivery for a Mister, sorry, Master.... Necro.... man...ver?"

Necromanver looked up at the man in bewilderment. "First of all, it's Master Necromancer, you've clearly got it misspelled. And I didn't order any pizza for delivery."

The man in the trenchcoat just stood there. "Do you mean you wanted to place it for take-out instead?"

"No, actually, I didn't order pizza for take-out either."

"That's funny...." sniffed the man in the trenchcoat. "The Pizza has been ordered to take YOU out!"

The man in the trenchcoat opened the box of pizza and planted it into the face of Master Necromanver. The scalding hot cheese and sauce caused the man to jump to his feet, screaming in pain. The man then drew his tommy gun and began shooting at the feet of his victim.

"Dance for me, Master Necromanver! Dance for your life!"

"Why are you doing this?" shouted Master in a panic, as he fumbled for the doorknob behind him.

"Because I can! Because I hate deadbeats like you clogging up the fair streets of Fatlington! And because you ordered pizza last week and you forgot to tip the pizza guy!"

Master Necromanver managed to open the door to his home and rush inside before further damage was done. He slammed the door and locked it, and then hid under his couch and cried like a little girl. Somehow, he escaped with his life.... just barely.


ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK had just stepped out of his favorite ‘hole-in-the-wall’ restaurant and was striding over to a cart selling hot, salted cashews when a masked man stepped sideways from the alley between two stores and shattered Elite’s right kneecap with a sharp swing from a mashie-niblick. Elite went down, shouting in pain, and trying to both run away and reach for his weapon at the same time – time he didn’t have.

Four more attackers appeared from the crowd and started swinging socks – each one with a 4 ounce can of salted cashews in the toe – at Elite. The blows rained down, hammering his head, ribs, neck and face, punctuated every so often with a swinging smash from the 1st attacker’s golf club. In a minute, Elite was a battered wreck; in three he was singing in the choir eternal.

One of the attackers went over to the hot nuts cart, rolled it toward Elite’s body, and dumped the steaming hot cashews onto his fresh corpse. The first attacker produced a bottle of milk, smashing it over the corpse with his golf club.

No words were spoken as the assailants slipped away into the shadows.


Cahoma wasn’t at all happy with events in Fatlington. Like any prudent Fatling he was now wearing body armor and carrying for his own self defense. The armor came in handy.

Four gunmen opened fire as he passed Iron Felix’s, rapid short bursts forcing him to run and duck for cover repeatedly…and forcing him ever closer to the alley between the five-and-dime and the pet shop. Forced into the alley, he expected to be greeted by a fusillade of fire.

He was surprised to find the alley deserted, the alley lamp still lit, and a clear run to the next block where he knew a couple of Fatlington’s finest would be patrolling. He made good his escape before the shooters could follow.


Chaotix walked carefully back to his apartment, someone had died last night – from a bazooka for pity’s sake, and many people had been attacked as well. Chaotix was in no mood to be another name in the obituaries. He was somewhat prepared therefore when the car filled with armed men drove at him and ducked into an alleyway. He ducked into a side alley as the four assailants approached him from the two main entrances. He rounded the corner and ducked into a small storage room. He peered around, willing his eyes to become accustomed to the dark shadows of the small room. He wasn’t ready, however, when nothing at all happened.

"Alright, already, where are they?,” he said softly to himself.

A fifth figure – dressed in a brightish, all-blue suit, with white shirt and black tie…and a matching snug blue ski mask leaned out of the shadows. A cigarette dangled from his masked lips.

The blue-suited man spoke quietly but clearly, "Juste derrière vous," and drove the balisong knife into Chaotix’s lower back with en economical and efficient upwards thrust. Chaotix collapsed to his knees and fell forward, a dull red stain spreading to mar the back of his jacket. The figure in blue flicked his cigarette butt onto the body, pulled another from his silver case and lit it, and then walked calmly away.

It was pure chance really, that Chaotix had stuck the leather hip-flask, filled with his favorite tomato juice, into his beltline at the back right of his outfit. The flask had been neatly transfixed, but the cut Chaotix himself received was no more than a tiny puncture. Chaotix had had a lucky night.


Montmorency [I]was headed home via the boardwalk when a quartet of bikers came bouncing up the entry steps and turning onto the boards behind him – motors roaring. They were dressed head to toe in black leather and each sported a bandanna on their ski-masked heads – red, white, and blue flag bandannas.

He didn’t hesitate, just leapt from the boardwalk onto the soft sand below. The bikes roared past above him, but couldn’t get down to the sands fast enough to prevent him making his way into a nearby apartment building. Nobody had been there to cut off his escape.


Moros police would later insure his girlfriends – all four – had almost certainly never felt any pain. His car had been hit from behind in a silly fender-bender, but Moros had fled the scene rather than stopping.

Rather than heading for the restaurant where he had arranged to meet one of his quartet of “we’re pretty close” friends for a bit of dinner, Moros had headed straight for his safehouse. He’d arrived without trouble and entered the room without a hitch, locking its bar locks behind him.

Police surmised that he had been surprised to see an open window in his carefully protected apartment. The shot that killed him had come through the open window, obviously fired by a skilled marksman, and had pithed his brain stem neatly.

The police couldn’t explain the map of the Alaska territory that had been nailed to the door of the saferoom, nor the writing – ‘Seward’s Folly’ – on the fringe of the map. All of the four women were moved to tears, only one asked about a will.


Askthe pizzaguy stood on the porch of his bungalow, pacing and looking at his watch. He’d been there for six minutes and thirty-four seconds. A shadowy figure 60 yards down the street stood up and opened up on the porch with a Tommy gun.

“About time,” muttered ATPG as he dropped to the floor of the porch.

A series of five armored plates slid rapidly upward, moving in a smooth and uniform fashion, protecting the porch completely.

“Very smooth,” said Pizza to himself, “very smooth indeed.”

He had had faith that he would be protected, that he would have no problems at all, and his faith had been rewarded….at least this time.


To all appearances, it was a chance meeting. For one of them, it had been. The conversation was soft – a ski mask does not make for easy conversation – and only took a few minutes.

“Think about it, and call me if you’re interested.”

“No need to wait that long.”

“Good, very good.”


Pharoah had already turned in when the phone rang. It was his buddy from his old homestead, A.C., so he didn’t brush him off and enjoyed the chat. The phone call, however, made sure that he never heard the glass break at his back door, or the steps of his assailants as they came up the stairs and poised outside his room.

“So anyway, it’s nice enough round here, but Atlantic City was loads better, I mean you really just can’t…”

Pharoah never finished the thought as a quintet of attackers burst through the door wielding mops, brooms, and – in one case – a rug beater. What the weapons lacked in elegance, they made up for in violence as the five attackers poked, swatted and battered poor Pharoah, his phone, and his pillows into ruin. The attackers left their tools and went away.

Pharoah died, hours later, never regaining consciousness.


10:52AM, Tuesday, 30 October 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey


“…so that’s as much as we are sure of. We’ll be adding information from the post mortem reviews as soon as they are completed.”

Fermanagh looked out at the committee.

“It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Do your best.”

Generalhankerchief strode to the podium, once again dressed in business gray. Another day had begun, and the committee still had a long way to go to save Fatlington, and they all knew it.



OOC

Day Three, lynch vote and selection for director for days 4 & 5, begins:

Phase ends:

Remember, do NOT edit a post with a vote in it; post the change in a separate post.

Results etc. as soon as I can get to them.



Attacked: a completely inoffensive name (n2), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n2), Cahoma (n2), Chaotix (n2), Earthling (n1), El Barto (n2), Master Necromanver (n2), Montmorency (n2), Raskolnikov (n1), Slash and earn (n1),

Wounded: Slysnake (n1)

Killed: Captain Black Adder (n1), ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK (n2), Moros (n2), Pharoah (n2)

Lynched: Earthling (d2)

[U}Active[/U]:

a completely inoffensive name
AggonyKing
Ameranth
Andres
Arjos
Askthepizzaguy
B Ray
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Believer
Beskar
Bestrfcplayer
BillMc
Bow-wow-wow
BSmith
ByzantineKnight
Cahoma
Camikaze
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
Choxorn
Clitsome
cpdwane
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
DaveShack
dcmort93
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Double A
Drunk Clown
edse
El Barto
Erebus
Frozen In Ice
fubbleskag
fyremarble
GamezRule
GeneralHankerchief
gibsonsg91921
gnarley charlie
God Emperor
Guiri
hero di classico
Ibn-Khaldun
Ironside
Issaikhaan
Ishmael
Jarema
J.D.
Johhog
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
kennigit
Khazaar
Krill
landlubber
LazyMcCrow
Lewwyn
Lord Brennus
Lord Winter
Major Robert Dump
Master Necromanver
Memnon
Monk
Montmorency
Neri
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas
O!TheLastDays!
Peasant Phil
Populous Romanus
Psychonaut
qlphz
Raskolnikov
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Romanic
Sasaki Kojiro
Scienter
scottishranger
Secura
Seon
shlin28
Sigurd
Silver Jan
SisterCoyote
Skotsko
slash and earn
slysnake
Sprig
sturmhauke
Subotan
Suburban Plankton
taillesskangaru
Thefluffyone93
The Stranger
Tincow
Tratorix
ULC
Visorslash
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Xehh II

[Xenoneb]

Voting time!

[Xenoneb]

Okay. For now,
Select:The Stranger
Vote: The Stranger

[landlubber]

I'd rather not elect someone who'll most likely be lynched today.
Select: General Handkerchief.
Vote: ACIN.

[gibsonsg91921]

Select: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: ACIN

[Visor]

Vote: A completely inoffensive name

[glyphz]

Vote: The_Stranger

[Seon]

Vote: Stranger

[Memnon]

Vote: The Stranger

Select: GH, TWO MORE DAYS, TWO MORE DAYS!

[El Barto]

El Barto had made it to the front stoop of his brownstone without any trouble at all. The night was drizzly, but not truly cold. Unknown to him, four well-hidden gunmen were standing up at various places across from his doorway as El Barto was reaching for his keys.

“Meeeeew….”

Hearing the kitten at the front of the side alley next to his brownstone, El Barto immediately swung himself over the railing, hopping down to see to the poor kitten’s needs – and neatly missing the barrage of gunfire that hammered his door. Another pair of gunmen opened fire from behind the brownstone, shooting down the alley. El Barto ducked down, but before he could think of anything to do to avoid his fate, the grate he was on collapsed and deposited him in the basement of his own home. Against all the odds, he hadn’t even taken a graze.

Hearing sirens, the gunmen moved back into the shadows and away from harm. El Barto, still a little stunned at his own blind luck, looked at the gently purring kitten still cradled in one arm.

“I think I’m gonna name you ‘Felix.’”
a'Sheumais Fermanagh, thanks for the kittens, but why do people attack me? I thought we'd agreed on an insta-win if I happened to be alive on a Caturday?

See, Pizza? Scum attack me. Do send the reasons why I'm supposed to be scum, eh?

Okay. For now,
Select:The Stranger
Vote: The Stranger
What? You select him as Director,giving him power over lynches, and vote him for the lynch? fos:Xenoneb.

vote:the Stranger

select:General Handkerchief

[classical_hero]

El Barto, you just got lucky. How do you know you were attacked by scum?

[Craterus]

vote: ACIN
select: Craterus

[Xenoneb]

El Barto, you just got lucky. How do you know you were attacked by scum?
He set it up to avoid suspision. Duhh! :laugh4:

[Xenoneb]

Unselect;Select: Craterus

[El Barto]

El Barto, you just got lucky. How do you know you were attacked by scum?
'cos Askthepizzaguy said I wasn't a target?

vote: ACIN
select: Craterus

Unselect;Select: Craterus
Yeah, right, your forgot that tiny little detail and whoopsadaisy! you quickly select whoever's been selected right before you. fos not withdrawn from you.

[Seon]

'cos Askthepizzaguy said I wasn't a target?.

So why does that make your assailants any more scummy?

[El Barto]

My statement was directed at Pizza mainly. If he's not giving orders to attack me then -quite obviously- someone else is.