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"A misyeet d1, even me, is better than getting a wolf."
I can quote in a little but not going to run back to find the quotes on a mobile so retyping from memory.
It read v much to me this "alas, you have it wrong. But persevere it will be okay, send my love to my wife and children." Dramatism.
Maybe I'll reread when at computer and see how I got this wrong but I think I got this right
I dislike the "dramatism" take of this summary.
I dislike the "dramatism" take of this summary.
It's essentially correct while completely missing the point in favor of shading me.
At the risk of wolf reading Amy incorrectly as per the last few games.... Where I was overzealous
Kinda just feeling a straight up wolf vibe there
I just got the notification that this has started. I have no idea how long it's been going or when EoD is except that I see we're on page 26.
So YEAH.
Raskolnikov
12-06-2022, 23:09
Logic (3): Amy, Ender, Vulgard
Ender (3): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei
Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Boquise: (1): Visor
Ampharos (1): Boquise
Vulgard(1): luv2spooge
Raskolnikov
12-06-2022, 23:10
I just got the notification that this has started. I have no idea how long it's been going or when EoD is except that I see we're on page 26.
So YEAH.
EOD in 1 hour 50 minutes. :hide:
glglgl
I just got the notification that this has started. I have no idea how long it's been going or when EoD is except that I see we're on page 26.
So YEAH.
Vote me.
That can't possibly go wrong.
/s
EnderWiggin
12-06-2022, 23:11
I dislike the "dramatism" take of this summary.
I was pointing out how someone said you hadn't been all "yeet meh" and I was being overdramatic in pointing out you had.
Forgive me my flair for the dramatic.
EOD in 1 hour 50 minutes. :hide:
glglgl
help.
Vote me.
That can't possibly go wrong.
/s
vote: Logic
I don't remember how to vote here either.
I guess that's not it.
vote: Logic (bold?)
Somebody do something scummy.
Raskolnikov
12-06-2022, 23:14
vote: Logic
I don't remember how to vote here either.
Be bold. Vote: Raskolnikov
I guess that's not it.
vote: Logic (bold?)
You got it!
Now I am compelled to defend myself.
Since visor isn't taking off, I am okay with voting ender.
Vote: EnderWiggin
Somebody do something scummy.
26179
EnderWiggin
12-06-2022, 23:18
I'm not sure if I have time this EOD to properly do what I want (Everyone in irl wants my attention suddenly at work.)
But quick worldview:
I think Logic is wolf and the wagon dissolution has some wolf motivation. I could be tunnelled on this. I haven't checked but the first person to say "Logic is towny now" is probably town but there's probably some echo-chambering there if he is wolf.
Visor's treatment of Logic is iffy.
Amy's treatment and "I have too many townreads" is also iffy.
Both of those are notes regardless of Logic.
If Logic is town:
Boq's treatment of the wagon and the state screams as wolfy in the world I'm wrong about Logic. I can't grab quotes and do correct me if I've misremembered but I'm pretty sure Boq was the one who was like "Oh yeah I'm agreeing with the scumreads on Logic! Yeah! And I'll vote over here." (If that was not Boq apply this sus to whoever it was because I'm 100% that this was someone.)
Anyway I gotta get back to a migration while simultaneously setting a switch up.
EnderWiggin
12-06-2022, 23:19
Hey Renata, take a quick read through Logic and tell me what you think with fresh eyes.
(I'm assuming you know how to ISO here?)
I'm not sure if I have time this EOD to properly do what I want (Everyone in irl wants my attention suddenly at work.)
But quick worldview:
I think Logic is wolf and the wagon dissolution has some wolf motivation. I could be tunnelled on this. I haven't checked but the first person to say "Logic is towny now" is probably town but there's probably some echo-chambering there if he is wolf.
Visor's treatment of Logic is iffy.
Amy's treatment and "I have too many townreads" is also iffy.
Both of those are notes regardless of Logic.
If Logic is town:
Boq's treatment of the wagon and the state screams as wolfy in the world I'm wrong about Logic. I can't grab quotes and do correct me if I've misremembered but I'm pretty sure Boq was the one who was like "Oh yeah I'm agreeing with the scumreads on Logic! Yeah! And I'll vote over here." (If that was not Boq apply this sus to whoever it was because I'm 100% that this was someone.)
Anyway I gotta get back to a migration while simultaneously setting a switch up.
I think you got someone mixed up with boq, because I recall he made a "I don't think that logic is scum from this" type of post.
From a position of total ignorance, Ender's post is better than yours.
Who else is likely to be a CFD? (Besides me for scummily avoiding the thread for two days.)
I don't know how to iso, no.
luvs2spooge
12-06-2022, 23:22
Vote: Ladd
EnderWiggin
12-06-2022, 23:24
I don't know how to iso, no.
Go back to the Gameroom forum.
Then press on replies here:
https://i.imgur.com/u1j0UWy.png
And then press on the number to the right of the name you want to ISO.
EnderWiggin
12-06-2022, 23:26
I think you got someone mixed up with boq, because I recall he made a "I don't think that logic is scum from this" type of post.
I will happily take a quote from anyone pointing out who I'm thinking of.
Unless I'm delirious I'm 99% sure someone made that "I think scumreads on Logic are right but not voting there." or something like that. I remember noting it for if I came back with a Logic townread later.
I will happily take a quote from anyone pointing out who I'm thinking of.
Unless I'm delirious I'm 99% sure someone made that "I think scumreads on Logic are right but not voting there." or something like that. I remember noting it for if I came back with a Logic townread later.
I think I recall the post being made, but I cannot recall the author. I'm fairly certain it was not boq.
Raskolnikov
12-06-2022, 23:31
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Renata
Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Visor (1): Montmo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Boquise: (1): Visor
Ampharos (1): Boquise
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
EOD in 1 hour and half
At first read the Logic wagon seems sound, there's definitely not anything there that screams mislynch.
I suppose I will tip toe my way through this so sorry if disjointed but at the end of these notes, I will rank said players on a town reads list.
When I get to Boq, I will answer Vul's question probably. But hint: it was kinda just a random comment that I'm not attached too, since I know my own post quality dropped at a certain point.
Oh, and when I get to Taffy, I will answer their question on "why am i not tunneling this game" or whatever.
Order = HIGHEST => LOWEST posters (as of when I am typing all this out)
ATPG - Long posts seem fine, they do not remind me of his wolf game. I get the vibe of him chilling in the thread. A lot of the nulltown or whatever reads do kind of lack in substance. Almost gives off town leader vibes at times, but not quite. I do not think 327 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836874&viewfull=1#post2053836874) is a slam dunk though valid points are here. But saying this Amy post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game/page7?p=2053836727#post2053836727) is Amy struggling to read Pizza is a pretty big stretch to me as to me, it reads as an NAI banter post that was meant to be more funny then analytical. I think some responses have been poor in response to Pizza. I am not completely won over by ATPG's reads, but I do townlean them and will ofc keep his EW/Amy/Vulgard/luvs suspicions in mind.
Vulgard - Oh... no. This just doesn't feel like town Vulgard, it doesn't even feel like mafia Vulgard to me. I think recent posting is like slightly better then it was with his rocky start, and yeah, I can definitely have a good ol' rocky start as town, trust me, this is not one of those games btw. But I do feel he responded poorly to any inclination of pressure of his slot. I also felt an odd ignoring the slot from a certain group of people on the slot when Pizza and I were suspecting them. Something I cannot say for Logic for instance, and ATPG wasn't even suspecting Logic at all, they hardly interacted from what I recall. Mindmeld on the Taffy comment about Taffy looking towny, especially around that point. How did I even glance over the fact that Logic was pushing on Visor for being wrong on him (it was 2am leave me alone), which is odd since later Logic omitted him from the list of people that could read him. I would say it probs spews Visor town if Logic wolf. I really don't think the whole spooge thing is AI, let's say I have a POE of you/ATPG/Logic, this doesnt mean all 3 of you are automatically paired, I really do not know how many times. Curious to see worst towngame. I guess trending up, maybe at a null now :D
I have to brb for a sec, k?
this is why im breaking it up XD
Not to mention early mindmeld with Ender.
Given my record lately I'm probably wrong on both.
If it comes down to it I'll prob go logic over ender fwiw
Montmorency
12-06-2022, 23:52
Was the Logic wagon Logic slipping again - hard to believe if Pizza's not voting there, though I haven't seen his commentary yet - or Logic TWTBAW again?
Ampharos is fine other than the stuff pizza brought up.
Summarize pls.
Talk to me about amy
Why?
I have skimmed through what I have missed. I should compile a coherent worldview though since I haven't done so. Then I will answer Vul's question since I don't exactly remember since I was townreading him
No, no, no, bad! :thwack:
I dislike the "dramatism" take of this summary.
It's essentially correct while completely missing the point in favor of shading me.
I guess I agree.
Somebody do something scummy.
Recommends Logic-Ender dome.
Visor's treatment of Logic is iffy.
Amy's treatment and "I have too many townreads" is also iffy.
Both of those are notes regardless of Logic.
To put my cards on the table, my YOLO during the first 12 hours or so was Amp-Logic-Ender-Visor plus one secret sauce. Has that concept turned out to be the basic shape of the day somehow?
Unless I'm delirious I'm 99% sure someone made that "I think scumreads on Logic are right but not voting there." or something like that. I remember noting it for if I came back with a Logic townread later.
Maybe it was me, subconsciously projecting.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:02
Vulgard - Oh... no. This just doesn't feel like town Vulgard, it doesn't even feel like mafia Vulgard to me. I think recent posting is like slightly better then it was with his rocky start, and yeah, I can definitely have a good ol' rocky start as town, trust me, this is not one of those games btw. But I do feel he responded poorly to any inclination of pressure of his slot. I also felt an odd ignoring the slot from a certain group of people on the slot when Pizza and I were suspecting them. Something I cannot say for Logic for instance, and ATPG wasn't even suspecting Logic at all, they hardly interacted from what I recall. Mindmeld on the Taffy comment about Taffy looking towny, especially around that point. How did I even glance over the fact that Logic was pushing on Visor for being wrong on him (it was 2am leave me alone), which is odd since later Logic omitted him from the list of people that could read him. I would say it probs spews Visor town if Logic wolf. I really don't think the whole spooge thing is AI, let's say I have a POE of you/ATPG/Logic, this doesnt mean all 3 of you are automatically paired, I really do not know how many times. Curious to see worst towngame. I guess trending up, maybe at a null now :D
I only vaguely remember Vulgard. We played together in Visor's mini, the game before this one in the Gameroom. He got destroyed D1 by some consensus that he was scummy, and then I became consensus for pointing out that he was the towniest player in the thread. Unfortunately I don't remember any meta for anyone anymore, let alone that D1. But people who like to read should read his D1 in that game for the solve I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znWeeMbSve0
Summarize pls.
327 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836874&viewfull=1#post2053836874)
Ampharos's demeanor seems good to me, but content wise lacking essentially.
Can someone talk about boq and Amy a bit more please
Amy feels like she's been talking to the crowd. Lot
Boq just feels tonally weird, disconnected
vote: ampharos
For now :curtain:
I only vaguely remember Vulgard. We played together in Visor's mini, the game before this one in the Gameroom. He got destroyed D1 by some consensus that he was scummy, and then I became consensus for pointing out that he was the towniest player in the thread. Unfortunately I don't remember any meta for anyone anymore, let alone that D1. But people who like to read should read his D1 in that game for the solve I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znWeeMbSve0
QFT (the meme)
vote: ampharos
For now :curtain:
Hi Visor. You scumming this game?
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:11
Hi Visor. You scumming this game?
With or without Amy?
Hi Visor. You scumming this game?
Damn you're good
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:11
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Renata
Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Ampharos (2): Boquise, Visor
Visor (1): Montmo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
I feel hamstrung a little
I'm obv never killing monty Kage or csargo (or Renata or ATPG) D1
Boq and Amy are new to the org and I kinda don't want to kill them
I don't super feel like cape and hk are wolves
Ender is shrug so far
Apooge seems alright
Who am I even left with lol
Can someone talk about boq and Amy a bit more please
Amy feels like she's been talking to the crowd. Lot
Boq just feels tonally weird, disconnected
Ampharos seems like they're just going along for the ride imo. I don't feel like it's performative, but I have no idea if that's normal/bad/etc.
I've liked Boq's posts, I dont get the disconnected part. Just seemed like someone going through just giving thoughts yesterday.
Nothing to read ladd off and dya meh
Lol
vote: ampharos
For now :curtain:
If anyone but visor made this vote, I'd probably hop off ender and hope Amy takes off.
Where do U stand on logic ender csar
With or without Amy?
I haven't read a word that Visor wrote aside from this page.
Amy can be a wolf, I guess.
Nothing to read ladd off and dya meh
Lol
I oddly completely agree with the former and must agree with the latter.
Commentary from Amy wrt "Logic re-enter" was, um, commentary I guess you could say.
Sorry I am battling against 4pm which is an hour 4 me okay?
EnderWiggin - A lot of not wanting to fight with Pizza comments. Kinda shrug at latest posts. Really pushing against Logic with 398 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836948&viewfull=1#post2053836948) being the I guess grand slam post of the whole saga. RE: 243 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836786&viewfull=1#post2053836786), I didn't say that you had TMI at all, I was saying that Pizza was playing around your slot as if you had TMI, at least this is what I was thinking at the time. Didn't see this earlier oop. The whole situation with Ender making intentionally wolfy moves is interesting and could either mean the truth or it could mean w!him knows he messed up at least twice. I am guessing the first one has to do with the offer of me pocketing him? I am not convinced this is wolf as I think there at least are towny moments, but I guess nothing I outright melded with I suppose. Maybe even tempted to wolflean this, but that's depending on what I see from others.
Boquise - 724 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837295&viewfull=1#post2053837295) - Towny thought process. I like Boq's thought about Amy hiding info from the thread. I guess to answer Vulgard's question, I guess the posts kinda looked like potshots to me, fairly simple posts, but I think 608 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837169&viewfull=1#post2053837169) is towny looking back. 448 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836998&viewfull=1#post2053836998) is believable given my history with boq. Boq opened a lot more like town!him then mafia!him tbh. I liked Boq's defense over Amy, even if Amy is wolf, it certainly didn't feel w/w, especially with how instead of fighting with me or whatever, he just townread me over my push on Amy which I feel like Boq is boxing themself in if amy = v. This is town tbh
Visor - Interesting shift off of Logic, though I have actually kind of started thinking the same about Logic actually. But to a minor degree, but from what I have skimmed. Also it ain't Boq m8. I like the thought process behind Logic push. I am not sure about how my post construction is wolfy, I am just kind of being myself. I kind of like the bluntness to Visor's posts. I kind of townread that quality about them, they are blunt, but have enough substance to back it up. I wonder if that cliffs post was gonna be literally anything more. I think this is town. Maybe posted so much by default since Visor was active pregame :p.
luvs2spooge - Seems to be enjoying the game, cool! Yeah I agree that Logic/ATPG could be paired, that feels a bit on the nose and I feel like ATPG would just distance himself a lot more from someone who appears to look like they are going over. I agree with literally everything luvs said about Vulgard, though Vul was scummy town in Gravity Falls game. I do not feel like Pizza has TMI this game, I didn't get those vibes on skim. IDK I just read luvs' posts and they just make sense to me. Town
EnderWiggin
12-07-2022, 00:22
Must
Resist
Scumleaning
Cape
For
Hedging.
(I've gone down this path before.)
Where do U stand on logic ender csar
I wanna yeet both tbh
I just don't get the reasoning around you and me, it all feels flaily to me.
didn't like some early ender posts, i think most have already been brought up(atpg, stuff with hk, 20hrs vague whatever it was) and it seems pretty similar to the Zack(?) game, really bantery with some solid posts mixed in. A lot more intuition based on ender.
EnderWiggin
12-07-2022, 00:27
I wanna yeet both tbh
I just don't get the reasoning around you and me, it all feels flaily to me.
didn't like some early ender posts, i think most have already been brought up(atpg, stuff with hk, 20hrs vague whatever it was) and it seems pretty similar to the Zack(?) game, really bantery with some solid posts mixed in. A lot more intuition based on ender.
It's almost like that's my game regardless of alignment.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:27
Must
Resist
Scumleaning
Cape
For
Hedging.
(I've gone down this path before.)
Cape now vs. Cape town in your scum game here (Visor's preceding Zack's)
It's almost like that's my game regardless of alignment.
I had no idea
EnderWiggin
12-07-2022, 00:29
Cape now vs. Cape town in your scum game here (Visor's preceding Zack's)
Are you asking a comparison from me with regards to this?
i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:31
Are you asking a comparison from me with regards to this?
I think it's safest not to post my full response, but sure.
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:33
if i'm talking to the crowd a lot it's because i'm very deliberately trying to avoid getting emotionally invested in this game
read into that at your own peril
well shit gamers i kinda also think logic's town now
Like, why.
Ampharos
Yo Visor.
i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform
DYACHEI!!!!
(Hi)
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:36
dya probably shields me as either alignment here but i think she puts more effort into the read if they're wolfing here, cause i think they know i'd get pocketed by a well-reasoned and thoroughly explained defense of me
and yes, i am aware of the irony inherent to me townreading them for this
DYACHEI!!!!
(Hi)
hey! how's it going? long time no see
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:37
please correct all "she"s in the previous posts to "they"s
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:39
inherently aware of my own omgus tendencies but
hello renata, i don't think we've ever met before but i think you entering thread and immediately jumping on ambient ampharos wagon momentum is a touch sketchy
and i would appreciate you explaining your thoughts a bit more thoroughly
Logic - Kind of wolfy in the beginning, felt like it was a bit blown out of proportion initially until the weak pop in a little later on, but with later times comes a later Logic who feels a bit better to me. I agree with his town dya comment. I am still looking for a bit more to bite on in terms of Logic's reads. I suppose Amy has been kind of stilted. Kind of feels potshotty , might not know how to ISO on this site (go to gameroom, click on replies, profit). I could maybe shrugkill but it feels a bit 50/50 to me.
Csargo - Says ender is similar to his wolf game. Csargo is reminding me of town game. Reminds me of the Visor slot in terms of short posts that give thoughts. I don't really have strong feelings besides that. Could slap on a light town and at least give them a daypass and move on.
Ampharos - Feeling like I hardly have an idea, I guess probably a bit less scummy then the im retired game. I would have to look at meta since I don't remember too well and my playstyle has changed from that point at least. I feel like some thoughts come off naturally even if there are some awkward/hedgy posts thrown in there. I really am not super sure about Amy's reads on like half the playerbase of the game though. They apparently townread a good amount of people.
dyachei - I am bad at reading this slot, but it feels like town them. I feel comfy letting them live today.
hollowkatt - On one hand, feels like they are their town selves. On another they feel... non-committal to me. Their luvs push is like... okay? no? yeah no. Usually HK doesn't make posts like this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837084&viewfull=1#post2053837084) as wolf so. and I like 697 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837265&viewfull=1#post2053837265) for seeming curious.
Totally not Taffy
12-07-2022, 00:40
I feel hamstrung a little
I'm obv never killing monty Kage or csargo (or Renata or ATPG) D1
Boq and Amy are new to the org and I kinda don't want to kill them
I don't super feel like cape and hk are wolves
Ender is shrug so far
Apooge seems alright
Who am I even left with lol
~:wave:
It seems I closed a tab before clicking submit and one of my previous posts never got made, have you ever explained why you thought Cape was a wolf earlier?
I'm also five pages behind and not getting caught up before EoD, what's happening?
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:41
Like, why.
Ampharos
Yo Visor.
I take this as a vote (am I right?). (pls use the vote: xxxx format, it's easier for me to catch when scrolling)
Boquise's point about Ender/Pizza interaction could be correct, but the AI part of it is probably a stretch.
Thanks Ras.
vote: Ampharos
inherently aware of my own omgus tendencies but
hello renata, i don't think we've ever met before but i think you entering thread and immediately jumping on ambient ampharos wagon momentum is a touch sketchy
and i would appreciate you explaining your thoughts a bit more thoroughly
I didn't like when renata did that to logic
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:43
Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Logic (3): Amy, Ender, Vulgard
Ampharos (3): Boquise, Visor, Renata
Visor (1): Montmo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
EOD in 18 minutes friendos
~:wave:
It seems I closed a tab before clicking submit and one of my previous posts never got made, have you ever explained why you thought Cape was a wolf earlier?
I'm also five pages behind and not getting caught up before EoD, what's happening?
Oh hello
I did explain
I actually have no idea what your thoughts are
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:43
it's gonna be really fucking funny if i got dragged out of retirement to get d1ed
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:44
Like, why.
Ampharos
Yo Visor.
It would be fun if the English language replaced the first person plural with "gamers."
~:wave:
It seems I closed a tab before clicking submit and one of my previous posts never got made, have you ever explained why you thought Cape was a wolf earlier?
I'm also five pages behind and not getting caught up before EoD, what's happening?
Like, "gamers should give Monty space to determine the Logic-Ender-Amp TD."
EnderWiggin
12-07-2022, 00:44
Watch me listen to Amy's ATE by not voting them.
I have no reason to change my vote rn.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:45
it's gonna be really fucking funny if i got dragged out of retirement to get d1ed
Take the Pizza route and train until your impressive power level increases astronomically.
Totally not Taffy
12-07-2022, 00:45
Oh hello
I did explain
I actually have no idea what your thoughts are
that's cause they're pretty spread out over the thread, why Ampharos over Ender?
Montys lack of weirdness is weirding me out
inherently aware of my own omgus tendencies but
hello renata, i don't think we've ever met before but i think you entering thread and immediately jumping on ambient ampharos wagon momentum is a touch sketchy
and i would appreciate you explaining your thoughts a bit more thoroughly
Hey.
You feel detached, like you're just kind of watching the thread go by without engaging much, and I didn't like your approach to Logic though I can't quite remember why.
Dyachei's take on you is interesting(?) and I'm considering it.
I don't have anything else to do but follow momentum or choose not to. There's zero chance I'm doing real reads when I entered an active thread with less than two hours to end of day and things to do.
that's cause they're pretty spread out over the thread, why Ampharos over Ender?
Don't really get the ender wolfreads
He's pretty null to me rn
Totally not Taffy
12-07-2022, 00:47
that's cause they're pretty spread out over the thread, why Ampharos over Ender?
or Logic
I'm about to have dinner fellas so I'll prob just final vote and ditch in a sec
Totally not Taffy
12-07-2022, 00:48
EnderWiggin come tell me if my HK read is bad
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:49
Montys lack of weirdness is weirding me out
I didn't want o have to do it this way, but very well.
Vote: Amp
hey visor whats your read on hk?
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:50
meh i think im gonna stay on logic
my reasons to wolfread him initially were a lot more well-founded than my reasons to walk it back and i want to believe it's just a classic case of "gut doubts a wolfread after said wolfread posts more, regardless of what the posts actually say"
i did think the whole "i think d1 misses are good actually" was a strange line for a wolf to take but i guess it's not really villagery either
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:51
side helping of "my brain is melting out of my skull rn and im having trouble forming any sort of concrete read on ender"
Totally not Taffy
12-07-2022, 00:52
Vote: Logic
three-way tie
Taffy - RE: 641 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837204&viewfull=1#post2053837204) I feel like I do start tunneling usually around day 2 or so for the most part, not sure if my playstyle has exactly evolved since that point. Especially mashes it can be hard to try to talk directly to a person with so much noise going on, I also would chalk it up to mashes being more generally an environment where being aggressive is a decent play as you do need a good amount of WIM stored up for those games. So basically roundabout way of saying I don't think my play has evolved, but moreso I play differently in mashes then regular games. Anywho, I think you are town this game, much more I guess, in depth then you have been in FAM2 so that's good, you feel more in the comfort zone and curious on other players. I would give this a pass/10!
ladd - I am confused over 736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837307&viewfull=1#post2053837307). Ur null otherwise and could just b wolf idk.
Montemorency - I would say probably town and leave it at that just off of gut vibes. Why? Running out of time and I want to quick skim last min vote combo wombo
Kage - Feels pretty formal, feels like playstyle thing, feels like can die smiley face.
Renata - Went back, looked, found recent dyachei comment kind of towny. Thats about it
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:52
Hey.
You feel detached, like you're just kind of watching the thread go by without engaging much, and I didn't like your approach to Logic though I can't quite remember why.
Dyachei's take on you is interesting(?) and I'm considering it.
I don't have anything else to do but follow momentum or choose not to. There's zero chance I'm doing real reads when I entered an active thread with less than two hours to end of day and things to do.
my detachedness is a deliberate choice and i don't really intend to go out of my way to alter how i'm interacting with the thread, so shrug
willing to talk more about logic if you'd like
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:53
Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
EOD in 8 minutes.
Vote: EnderWiggin
I like this better then Amy
Logic is meh
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:53
votes at :00 good, 01 bad. thank you for your cooperation.
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:53
I didn't want o have to do it this way, but very well.
Vote: Amp
et tu, gamer?
EnderWiggin
12-07-2022, 00:53
I have to go onsite. I won't be around for the end end of the day.
Legacy reads if I keep being tipped over:
The "Actual cinnamon roll innocent and should be protected" pile:
luvs2spooge - (Yes I am putting luvs here, you can't stop me.)
Vulgard
Totally not Taffy
The "I have gut reason/thread reason to think they're town and despite recent doubt I still kinda believe it?":
Ampharos
The "Mildly towny but shouldn't be trusted" pile:
Hollowkatt
dyachei
The "Stop wearing questionmarks" null pile
Visor
Renata
Kagemusha
The "I hate their read on me but might be omgus" pile:
Csargo
Cape90
Ladd
The "I think they're wolfy but not really convinced of myself" pile:
Montmorency
Askthepizzaguy
Boquise
The "Wolfy post milord" pile:
Logic
i mostly hate these wagons cuz i think logic and amy are v
i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD
Hey.
You feel detached, like you're just kind of watching the thread go by without engaging much, and I didn't like your approach to Logic though I can't quite remember why.
Dyachei's take on you is interesting(?) and I'm considering it.
I don't have anything else to do but follow momentum or choose not to. There's zero chance I'm doing real reads when I entered an active thread with less than two hours to end of day and things to do.
i was looking at this post and liked it btw, it wasn't clear since it was literally not directed at dya, but ampharos.
i see nuance in the bolded
vote: logic
Meh
Might switch to ender but meh
my detachedness is a deliberate choice and i don't really intend to go out of my way to alter how i'm interacting with the thread, so shrug
willing to talk more about logic if you'd like
No, I think I'm just going to switch back and leave it there. GTH you have a bigger chance of being a tonal misread than Logic does.
vote: Logic
vote: logic
Meh
Might switch to ender but meh
Eeenteresting (TM).
I've had hk as maybe woof for most of the day, but I'm also hilariously bad at reading hk.
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:56
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, Cape
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
If Ender turns up wolf ever this EoD going to be fun.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:57
Vote: Ender
ugh, a part of me thinks ender is town but I just do not want Amy to go over at all
Vote: Ender
As expected lol
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2022, 00:57
Vote: Ampharos
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:57
i'm going logic over ender
gl
Vote: Logic
this is probably a healthier vote
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:58
As expected lol
Regardless of what I feel, I won't [] Logic-Ender. I owe Logic one for the MLs, and I owe Ender mild violence after giving him a pass in your game.
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:58
Vote: Ampharos
isn't it past your bedtime, old man
Vote: Ampharos
Pizza-dude how are you.
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 00:58
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, Cape
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, Cape
Ampharos (3): Boquise, Visor, Montmo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
sorry, Renata doesn't get double vote
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2022, 00:58
isn't it past your bedtime, old man
Do you have any reason not to be dead today?
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:59
Vote: Ampharos
You aren't the pop-in sort are you?
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2022, 00:59
You aren't the pop-in sort are you?
I can't discuss it.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 00:59
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, Cape
Ampharos (3): Boquise, Visor, Montmo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
sorry, Renata doesn't get double vote
Wrong tally!
Ampharos
12-07-2022, 00:59
Do you have any reason not to be dead today?
because i'm town? idk boss is this a riddle
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2022, 01:00
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
This wagon contains wolves.
I think it's safest not to post my full response, but sure.
we sure mont isnt being weird?
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 01:00
Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2022, 01:00
I need a doc tonight.
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
This wagon contains wolves.
TMI the movie?
But no, you're probably right.
Montmorency
12-07-2022, 01:01
Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
This wagon contains wolves.
Not advanced
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 01:01
stop posting, pls. 5 minutes for corrections and flip(s)
Raskolnikov
12-07-2022, 01:08
EOD1, final tally:
Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Logic has been chopped! He was vanilla town!
Start of day 2 in roughly 24 hours. (7 PM EST)
Raskolnikov
12-08-2022, 01:00
SOD2
luv2spooge has been killed! They were vanilla town!
End of day 3 in roughly 48 hours. (7 PM EST)
hf, glglgl
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:08
to the tune of California Dreamin'
all my reads are shit (all my reads are shit)
and I can't find wolves (and I can't find wolves)
to the tune of California Dreamin'
all my reads are shit (all my reads are shit)
and I can't find wolves (and I can't find wolves)
What was your issue with luv exactly?
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 01:09
Town
Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos
Little Bit Towny
Mont
Blade
Dya
Ladd
Meh
Visor
Sorta Wolfy
Taffy
Boq
Kage
Quite Wolfy
Logic
Pizza
Vulgard
I again have read all the posts, and these are my reads. Goodbye.
Just posting this in Memorium. (He doesn't change reads lists from this and says he's basically here still later)
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:11
Vote: Vulgard
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:13
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:14
2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:14
3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic
4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
You, but you're bussing. I approve though.
vote: Vulgard
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:19
Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Blue: Mech clear
Green: Town
Purple: I am not revealing the order of how villagery or null they are. Consider all these publicly null.
Grey: Null because I legit have no read at all there yet.
Yellow: Top 5 suspects.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:20
What was your issue with luv exactly?
Town
Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos
Little Bit Towny
Mont
Visor
Blade
Meh
Sorta Wolfy
Taffy
Quite Wolfy
Logic
Pizza
Vulgard
I have read all the posts, these are my reads. Goodbye.
why
This reads list looked like it had an agenda. I had Logic in the null zone, pizza hadn't done anything overtly wolfy in my opinion and while there are concerns there they're not "blinking neon sign" wolf tells (I think)
I also felt like his top town bucket was weird. I didn't think I'd done anything to be obvs town, and Ampharos was wolf read by a vast swath of the game, which to me was indicating that luv was super disconnected from what was going on. It felt like a reads list a wolf might produce that has just the right level of spice.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:21
You, but you're bussing. I approve though.
vote: Vulgard
This pre-flips Vulgard or Ender or Amy.
Presumably Vulgard.
Why aren't you the one bussing Vulgard? What is the basis of your suspicion on Vulgard after you voted with him Day One?
Why did you suspect Logic over Amy or EnderWiggin?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:22
This reads list looked like it had an agenda. I had Logic in the null zone, pizza hadn't done anything overtly wolfy in my opinion and while there are concerns there they're not "blinking neon sign" wolf tells (I think)
I also felt like his top town bucket was weird. I didn't think I'd done anything to be obvs town, and Ampharos was wolf read by a vast swath of the game, which to me was indicating that luv was super disconnected from what was going on. It felt like a reads list a wolf might produce that has just the right level of spice.
I can follow all this in your footsteps.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:22
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.
Q1: probs you. partially because you brain dumped on the regular but also because if you're a baddie I think there's enough in the thread to start making a real assessment on your alignment. Today I think is really going to cement that.
I'll be sheeping luv
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:23
From the murder choice, I tend to not think it is Ladd.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:24
Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Blue: Mech clear
Green: Town
Purple: I am not revealing the order of how villagery or null they are. Consider all these publicly null.
Grey: Null because I legit have no read at all there yet.
Yellow: Top 5 suspects.
I'll be reading dya and boq today as I remember functionally nothing either of them said and both of them are extremely competent players on all sides of the alignment aisle
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:25
Q1: probs you. partially because you brain dumped on the regular but also because if you're a baddie I think there's enough in the thread to start making a real assessment on your alignment. Today I think is really going to cement that.
I'll be sheeping luv
I could see Vulgard, Enderwiggin (blade) and Visor based on the wagon comp.
They are not his bottom three, but there's reasons for me to discount two of his bottom four and I'm the third, and he clearly doesn't know a town PR when he sees one claim repeatedly.
Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).
If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.
I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:27
Does this work
EnderWiggin
If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?
Can you devote massive hours to the game?
How do you feel about your solve? Confident?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:28
Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).
If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.
I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.
Explain your wolf read on me please.
Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.
I meant to also have Visor in the iffy category. A bit lacking.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:29
At the 24 hour mark, I will reveal all of my leans and also what power role I am, and reveal all my mechanical info so far.
Everyone needs to be active and attentive and cooperative with me until that time.
After that, you can do with me whatever you wish, you will have 24 hours to decide my alignment past that point.
I am cutting the day in half.
I am leading this town during the first half. This is NOT negotiable by anyone.
Fuck me I did have Visor written down. This is what I mean by not functioning.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:30
If you have reason not to cooperate say your piece now, otherwise I will turbo yeet you today after the 24 hour mark.
Totally not Taffy
12-08-2022, 01:30
A loosely ordered reads list since I didn't get around to it yesterday. It's also late and I will not read posts until tomorrow morning.
People I would prefer not to reconsider until LyLo:
Boquise: you voted Kagemusha shortly after I got pinged (see below), and I don't believe a wolf would have started a wagon with so little chance of success at a time when that could not but draw a lot of unwanted attention (as it did). My impression of you as a wolf is more one of slyly steering people than of making fancy twtbaw plays, correct me if wrong.
Vulgard: your early game gave me the impression that you were uncomfortable in the thread (which is probably where all those scumreads come from), and I believe that you'd be happier and more confident if you had randed wolf. If we both live till LyLo I'll put in some work to look at former wolf games of yours to see if faking this is something you like to do.
Cape: you made that post saying that you sometimes as a wolf like to up your obliviousness to jokes and if that was a lampshade of what you were actually doing at SoD then mad props to you but for now you look very towny to me.
People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on:
Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.
Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.
Spooge: I've liked most of your posts, I'm interested in having you explain why you think HK is so obviously town because as you can see we disagree there.
Ladd: I thought your post with the quotes from Logic was awful until someone called it a joke. I'm pretty sure you haven't done anything that would let me read you yet.
Asks: I have made zero effort to guess your alignment, you count as my null on this list. The fact that half of the players ended above and half below is a coincidence I find particularly funny.
Renata: missing most of D1 and then obviously not being able to contribute much could be a way for a wolf to get past D1 and out of having to fool Asks I guess, but really you're just null atp.
Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little.
Kagemusha: p286 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836833&viewfull=1#post2053836833) pinged me as potentially a wolf who had been happy to have found something to push Monty for and then had that taken away from them. This is little more than a fleeting impression. Other than that you haven't done much, so if I were looking for a wolf trying to fly under the radar you're a top candidate.
Ampharos: you're mainly here because you were one of the counterwagons and therefore of interest. I'm not finding you stilted, but I've no idea what you are like in other games, so... would you agree that in general you enjoy wolfing much more than towning?
The people I'm most interested in today:
Hollowkatt: I realise that it was unfair of me to say you disappeared. I still think your interactions with other people SoD looked more wolfy than towny, your wagon never went anywhere, and you're someone others have expressed reads on, so you're a person of interest.
Ender: you were the main counterwagon and also I've realised that that gradual way you developed that townread on me is exactly the right way to pocket me and you would know that. The main reason you're above Visor is that I've never been in a game where you're tryharding before and it's rather fun to see.
Visor: I've made enough posts yesterday that you shouldn't have completely forgotten that I'm in the game. To me that looks like a wolf trying to project an air of detachment, hoping that people will reason "oh he'd put more effort in if he were a wolf".
Explain your wolf read on me please.
Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.
I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.
The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.
I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:34
@ Taffy
Would you bet the game that Vulgard is town?
Meaning, you have no doubt at all.
If so, explain how you got there in a manner that presupposes I have never played with Vulgard, do not know how to read him, and if you are that confident you must have strong reasons.
I need you to hold my hand, and walk me through it like I am stupid. Do not assume I understand anything you're saying but the definitions of the words you're using.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:34
I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable
Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:35
I could see Vulgard, Enderwiggin (blade) and Visor based on the wagon comp.
They are not his bottom three, but there's reasons for me to discount two of his bottom four and I'm the third, and he clearly doesn't know a town PR when he sees one claim repeatedly.
well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)
Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.
Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:35
I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.
The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.
You have no idea I am town.
Awesome, gonna set you aside in the null pile.
Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?
you're a grouch today aren't you
I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem
I think visor and ender are also in the POE
Vulgard and Amy are likely v
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:38
well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)
Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.
Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.
Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum. I have no other basis to townread Ladd at the moment, but I have reading to do so I can get there.
Taffy seems okay from what I saw of day one, but I will look again.
If Vulgard is town the reason for the kill is almost certainly that it was a PR hunt, because his reads were therefore not scary.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:38
you're a grouch today aren't you
I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem
I think visor and ender are also in the POE
Vulgard and Amy are likely v
Can you tell me the whys behind some of those before midday today?
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 01:40
I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable
interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me
Can you tell me the whys behind some of those before midday today?
sure
Amy read is based almost entirely on tone atp. I have played with her many times and have hydra'd with her. I think my read on her tends to be better than most people's read on her.
Vulgard I think has approached this game in a very villagery way. I find his solving villagery.
Visor is pretty lackluster this game. Not sure if it's because it's a casual game or if he's a wolf. I feel like visor, when he's villaging, has these like...bright moments of insight that I haven't really seen this game
Ender was counterwagon to a villager and that's enough to put him on a short list. I suck at reading him
Nice casual wallposts
:Curtain:
I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.
Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me
i'm dead tired today (kiddo is sick and woke me up in the middle of the night and did not want to go back to sleep) and sick. I will ask you stuff but it might not be tonight
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
why not?
Just want to apologise to logic for not pushing back hard enough at the end, prob should've killed ender (or stuck on Amy) but I felt bad about pushing both of them and copped out to killing you cause it'd get people talking elsewhere
My fault bronana, should've pushed back earlier
Luv2 spooge got killed for two (three) reasons
He was repping a decent player
He also presented as someone who is a town leader and wouldn't be pushed out
(Also potentially his reads)
I expect wolves to have either known who he was, suspected, wanted to control the thread more than I care about his reads (though I do care about his reads)
Ymmv
well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)
Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.
Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.
They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.
Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:50
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
Yep.
Montmorency
12-08-2022, 01:51
Who was l2s anyway?
3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic
4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.
By standard theory Visor and Renata look pretty odd for wagonomics, though I suppose it's NAI if it turns out Ender is town as well. Is there any sense at all that Renata was being coached in her approach?
I called out your brusque EOD comment that there are scum on the Logic wagon because, well, it would be very rare for there not to be with such a distribution. Generally I was struck by how you didn't advance the thread state with your EOD pop-in, so why do it that way at all? As either alignment it feels like you should be working some grand strategy, but the pop-in didn't feel like any meaningful strategy.
I'm sure you have good reasons, wrong or right, for suspecting all the same people I have been pinged by (I have no thoughts on Vulgard), but I figure I'll encounter them as I pore over your D1 contributions. Can you lay out in just a paragraph how all their activities fit against each other? What's the grand theory for the Mafia plan?
Since you're you, can you skim D1 of the last Org game (mini) and discern why Vulgard was the D1 ML? If he's your top suspect this will be relevant.
Because...
It's much more a Pizza-specific fact pattern. Namely, we showed you the plan, you utterly destroyed it within 5 hours of game start, inarguably so - believe me, I tried to argue the case - so I scurried away while...
...
If I were to put it to a vote, I wonder what the results would be.
1) Logic should be checkmated
2) Logic should deliver checkmate
3) Pat Buchanan
Be careful, I hear option number 3 got unusually popular that one time.
Maybe chads aren't the only thing that should be hanging.
Check!
Vote: Logic
Hint: Vote for Logic. It's the first move in a 3 or 4 move checkmate, don't know which. I didn't check it with a computer and I'm old.
This was 150 MINUTES after game start. The only time I've had soul reads like that was on GH in Pizza's Nuzelock game, whereupon I fumbled my conditional vig in expectation that I could oust GH on D2 (and GH happened to be the one player vulnerable to my vig). Not only can Pizza crush reads the majority of games, he can deliver on them as well.
Tangentially, an honorable mention from shortly after the qy. Posts like this must be why I killed reinoe N3.
Given Zack commenting on pretty much everyone except Logic, he's either scum with him or mason with him or neighbors with him. I think they're talking to each other.
Regardless, Zack's quality vs quantity isn't very good at all. There's almost no gamesolving other than OMGUS.
Unvote: Logic
Vote: Zack
ATPG and GH probably town.
What I'm trying to say is, I recall asking you about your Logic case in comparison to his play in the then-previous game (XCOM), and you used that opportunity to deliver a slam-dunk meta case for why Logic couldn't be blue-aligned. My apologies if you did this already yesterday (wrt Vulg).
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:53
Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.
I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.
why not?
Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"
Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.
Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"
Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.
I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 01:58
Is there any sense at all that Renata was being coached in her approach?
Renata is one of the last people I expect needs coaching as any alignment.
I called out your brusque EOD comment that there are scum on the Logic wagon because, well, it would be very rare for there not to be with such a distribution. Generally I was struck by how you didn't advance the thread state with your EOD pop-in, so why do it that way at all? As either alignment it feels like you should be working some grand strategy, but the pop-in didn't feel like any meaningful strategy.
There's no strategy behind calling out how my top 3 suspects were on that wagon and it was on someone I did not read as wolf.
I didn't advance the thread state because I was busy for hours before that end of day elsewhere. I was leaving a legacy read in case the game had no doctor.
I'm sure you have good reasons, wrong or right, for suspecting all the same people I have been pinged by (I have no thoughts on Vulgard), but I figure I'll encounter them as I pore over your D1 contributions. Can you lay out in just a paragraph how all their activities fit against each other? What's the grand theory for the Mafia plan?
I have not built teams yet, I am saying who is individually wolfy before I pre-flip an entire team.
Since you're you, can you skim D1 of the last Org game (mini) and discern why Vulgard was the D1 ML? If he's your top suspect this will be relevant.
Probably not, I need to read this game and question all my suspects before end of day.
What I'm trying to say is, I recall asking you about your Logic case in comparison to his play in the then-previous game (XCOM), and you used that opportunity to deliver a slam-dunk meta case for why Logic couldn't be blue-aligned. My apologies if you did this already yesterday (wrt Vulg).
I have no meta data on Vulgard except I skimmed a recent wolf game of his and found it to be somewhere between similar and not identical.
Not useful really.
I don't think meta is how I crack Vulgard's alignment. It's going to be other processes here, since I don't know him.
There was something else too (about Vulgard), it was earlier and I'm not going back to looking for it. But Ender did some kind of pocket joke. Vulgard first responded to it in a way that I thought was acknowledging the joke, but when Pizza challenged him on that in a way that I originally thought was taking the whole thing too seriously, Vulgard goes and calls it a reaction test, which is just . no. I don't believe that it was.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 02:02
I am going to be AFK for a while, the activities involved will be:
Sleeping
Reading chronologically
Isoing
Meta diving someone before rendering judgment if I am pretty sure theyre a wolf
Then I will return.
I am asking people to take my opening posts so far on D2 absolutely 100 percent seriously.
I am not doing a gambit or a bluff.
If you do not take me seriously it will affect town's ability to win this game in a severe way, meaning I will die, and I won't be the only one, and that's several townies down the shitter at once at end of day.
I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town
Realized that halfway through my response, yeah. If you're right, we're back at the AtE which I don't think is very productive. See my other comment though. It was somewhere in response to Pizza's 297.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 02:05
If I asked you questions and you do not answer them like you are trying to convince a fellow townie of your solve, we WILL NOT see day three together.
Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.
none of this doesn't make sense so sure.
I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836728&viewfull=1#post2053836728) only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.
I don't like the bolded, always feel like stuff like that seems made up to me.
nah, I read it. I also remembered how pizza posted to open a mash on mafiauniverse a short time ago and he was wolf there and this was similar enough that I wanted to let him know I remembered.
I find the end of this quote just weird. It's not like "I think you're a woof" and more to me like" I want you to think I think you're a woof" or like a gotcha type deal? It was just odd phrasing to me.
Plus a lower level of content from hk than I've been accustomed to imo, but they already explained that.
I didn't really push it, except a comment about the about the above quote that was semi-serious. These are things similar to stuff that's bothered me before about hk, and I'm always wrong, so I didn't really do anything with it. Just focused on other people.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 02:08
If I did not name you as a suspect, and asked you no questions, pretend I did.
In case I town read all my suspects one by one, your name might come up.
Stave off a death by showing me your town solve and CONVINCING me you believe it.
Under 11 hours remain.
Realized that halfway through my response, yeah. If you're right, we're back at the AtE which I don't think is very productive. See my other comment though. It was somewhere in response to Pizza's 297.
i guess I dont expect everyone to always be productive with every post?
Hardclaim survivor
Btw
i see
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 02:09
23 sorry.
48 hours here, derped it as 24 for a sec.
Hardclaim survivor
Btw
lulz
Montmorency What was your thought process that made you ask Pizza if I might be being coached?
i guess I dont expect everyone to always be productive with every post?
Productive to talk about, I mean.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:13
Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum. I have no other basis to townread Ladd at the moment, but I have reading to do so I can get there.
Taffy seems okay from what I saw of day one, but I will look again.
If Vulgard is town the reason for the kill is almost certainly that it was a PR hunt, because his reads were therefore not scary.
if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:14
sure
Amy read is based almost entirely on tone atp. I have played with her many times and have hydra'd with her. I think my read on her tends to be better than most people's read on her.
Vulgard I think has approached this game in a very villagery way. I find his solving villagery.
Visor is pretty lackluster this game. Not sure if it's because it's a casual game or if he's a wolf. I feel like visor, when he's villaging, has these like...bright moments of insight that I haven't really seen this game
Ender was counterwagon to a villager and that's enough to put him on a short list. I suck at reading him
vote: dya
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:14
i'm dead tired today (kiddo is sick and woke me up in the middle of the night and did not want to go back to sleep) and sick. I will ask you stuff but it might not be tonight
legit. looking forwards to our inevitable conversation
Pizza reason for trying to kill Ampharos EoD please.
why are you so...calm...this game hk?
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:23
They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.
Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.
if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.
I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.
Montmorency
12-08-2022, 02:23
Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.
Dirt-common strategy that most players probably participate in at least some of the time. I do it more deliberately than many, but as either alignment.
I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.
The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.
Admittedly, Pizza does feel unusually restrained to me. Not in terms of activity level but in the way he relates to players and in the opacity of his thread goals. I would expect whatever he is trying to achieve to be more obvious/telegraphed than it has.
It could after all just be part of his stated SOD gambit of keeping his cards closer to his chest than usual (though we know now that later on he'll fullclaim). I've seen him take the all-business approach on one other occasion just like this, but unfortunately I don't remember the context or alignment.
Renata is one of the last people I expect needs coaching as any alignment.
Because she genuinely seems to have come into the game cold at EOD, and as maf would have availed herself of scumchat's advice. There is at least potentially a way to read her approach as OOT-informed. But as with Visor the alignment of the counterwagons will be most indicative. I do wonder if anyone else got that impression.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:26
Hardclaim survivor
Btw
I'm obligated to vote you now
vote: visor
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:30
why are you so...calm...this game hk?
in the last year and a half or so I've eaten two bans, gotten several warnings, and several "off the record chats" with people I respect urging me to take a chill pill so to speak.
after tryharding for several games over the spring/summer and realizing it was negatively impacting my game I decided to do a 180 and try to be as unflappable as I could be, try to make fewer, but more insightful posts, and work more closely with others instead of shouting about "my solve" and pushing solo on people.
That's not to say I don't make pushes on my own, or come up with my own ideas and thoughts, I still do that, I just find myself less often bashing my head against a wall because it gets me nowhere.
if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.
I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.
It usually seems to work the other way. Gone is forgotten.
I feel like you're missing your village aggressiveness. I don't think you've really pushed your reads that much this game
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
You, mostly agreed with you woof leans, except vulgard.
2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.
Currently Taffy's look very similar to where I'm at now
3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic
4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.
3. Bad opening, continuous pressure leads to more negative opinions/responses and no optically worse candidate, something along those lines. Probably people wanting to save ender/ampharos as well
4. everyone but vulgard, cape, taffy, maybe visor. I don't get visor currently
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:47
It usually seems to work the other way. Gone is forgotten.
except that here it is not and the reason is that we're all highly skilled players who aren't going to forget about the recently dead. Come 3-4 days from now if we're still playing then sure but I don't know of anyone who would ignore the most recent NK reads list.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:48
I feel like you're missing your village aggressiveness. I don't think you've really pushed your reads that much this game
that's correct I haven't really pushed my reads much.
as far as being less aggressive I'm trying to find that line between aggression and antagonism.
that's correct I haven't really pushed my reads much.
as far as being less aggressive I'm trying to find that line between aggression and antagonism.
So you can understand my concerns about you
Fwiw I think HK is doing fine
Hardclaim Masons with csargo
So you can take that feather out of your cap bronanas
(The other post was just a joke for Winston Hughes)
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 02:58
So you can understand my concerns about you
sure, I guess.
and if I turn this around and say "dya isn't playing like anything I've seen them play before" your response is going to be "illness, kiddo, life" (in a nutshell anyways) and I'm sure you could see how I could respond with "so you can understand my concerns about you" to which your response, if you're town, is going to be "look, context is important please judge me by my content" or something to that effect.
Kinda feels like we could be talking past each other not with each other, but that is also a function of me not being here approx half the day D1 as well as our non-aligned schedules.
I think I can find you town if you are and I think you can do the same for me.
sure, I guess.
and if I turn this around and say "dya isn't playing like anything I've seen them play before" your response is going to be "illness, kiddo, life" (in a nutshell anyways) and I'm sure you could see how I could respond with "so you can understand my concerns about you" to which your response, if you're town, is going to be "look, context is important please judge me by my content" or something to that effect.
Kinda feels like we could be talking past each other not with each other, but that is also a function of me not being here approx half the day D1 as well as our non-aligned schedules.
I think I can find you town if you are and I think you can do the same for me.
my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.
Hardclaim Masons with csargo
So you can take that feather out of your cap bronanas
(The other post was just a joke for Winston Hughes)
:quiet:
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:06
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
Luvs. Not said because they died but their thought process on you was good and I felt they paid attention to a few of the pushes and actually poked at it effectievly.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 03:07
my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.
as has mine and yet when I explain why your response is "so you can see why I have concerns"
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:07
2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.
Sponging from people I townread heavily is a thing I like to do so eh. Nothing I can commit to yet anyway.
as has mine and yet when I explain why your response is "so you can see why I have concerns"
you havent offered any examples
I really fricked that up, especially if Wiggin is mafia
I feel really bad
Sorry Logic
Anyways, I will be here shortly and hopefully not panicking EOD again
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:11
3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic
4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.
3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.
4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:12
Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).
If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.
I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.
Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:15
Does this work
EnderWiggin
If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?
Can you devote massive hours to the game?
How do you feel about your solve? Confident?
If I didn't catch an immediate death next night, probably? I tend to believe I have a good ability to solve games.
Massive hours? Iffy and pending day-to-day. I'll be looking to spend several hours more towards the middle of this day phase but there's no reliability for future days.
I'm going to say "No" to that last line, given my number one wolf read just flipped town. I'll get back to you when I have the chance to seriously consider my position.
Ender, what were the intentionally scummy things you did start of day yesterday.
Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.
Why.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:25
Why.
Limited town reads, wide scumpool.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:28
Ender, what were the intentionally scummy things you did start of day yesterday.
1. Naked vote for stupid reasons then dip.
2. Overt pocket attempts to anyone suggesting they had a townread on me.
Limited town reads, wide scumpool.
I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:33
Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.
I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.
Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.
Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.
Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.
Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.
HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.
This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:34
I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.
Unless you can tier your POE having a wide POE makes for very open kill pool which is exactly what a scumteam wants.
It means if you aren't wolf yourself there are multiple ways they can pull you to get you to help them wagon a town.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:38
It was unsaid but "Having a wide sus pool" as wolf has obvious benefits.
That's just going to happen, then. I'm not a strategic player.
Wondering right now how your talk about sheeping luvs correlates with Logic being town, you town-reading Vulgard (vague promise to maybe look at them later notwithstanding) and you saying you think Pizza clear. It really doesn't seem to.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:43
That's just going to happen, then. I'm not a strategic player.
Wondering right now how your talk about sheeping luvs correlates with Logic being town, you town-reading Vulgard (vague promise to maybe look at them later notwithstanding) and you saying you think Pizza clear. It really doesn't seem to.
I never said I'd sheep Luvs reads.
In fact I explicitly didn't name anyone for the Sheeping question because I review others thoughts at best.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 03:44
I said that Luvs had some of the best process D1 because of the way he poked at things.
Best process doesn't mean that I should sheep their reads. It does mean that I seriously consider it.
And as for the Pizza townread that is 90% allowing him his 24 hours of being treated as lock clear. I will give him his request and see what happens.
I think I misread, forget that comment.
Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:
1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right
I was actually not too sure on the ladder, but the former I would say you had the on paper "best solving"
2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.
If I had to sheep someone, I would say probably Boq or Taffy, I do see that Taffy made a readslist, I did want to look more in depth in that to refresh myself on the game.
Spooge is also a decent safe pick if I change my mind since I liked their posts day 1.
3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic
To me Logic kinda came off as stilted and I didn't like their first pop in. I also didn't like a lot of the surrounding noise around Logic
Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge
Blue: Mech clear
Green: Town
Purple: I am not revealing the order of how villagery or null they are. Consider all these publicly null.
Grey: Null because I legit have no read at all there yet.
Yellow: Top 5 suspects.
To point out the obvious, I do not think all wolves would have been on Logic here leaving a list of ladd/csargo/dya/monty/boq/you/hk/kage
Out of that group I probably least interested voting in Boq/HK/You (Pizza)
Most interested in voting Kage/ladd/Monty
4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.
When it comes to the Logic wagon, Ender and Vulgard are 2 names that come to mind, I do want to return to why I suspected Vulgard in another game Gravity Falls in the first place and compare to here
Taffy/Visor seem less likely to me then the others (not including myself)
Renata is one of the last people I expect needs coaching as any alignment.
I am very unfamiliar with Renata so it would be helpful to know more. I know you suspect them but I felt it was out of POE since they were here last minute basically. Has your read changed? Did you have a more deep reason for suspecting the slot?
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
This is a good point out tbh
why not?
the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it
Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.
I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.
Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.
Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.
Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.
Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.
HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.
This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.
i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming :shrug:
I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh
Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.
Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one
POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.
I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.
i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming :shrug:
I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh
Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.
Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one
POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.
I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.
it is
I think I want to see Csargo either confirm or deny Visor's mason claim right about now. It's getting in the way of my reads of the Logic wagon.
[quote'i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming [/quote]
This, more or less.
it is
fake just be clear.
It is fake?
Ok, if Ender is mafia then Visor is the save. It's not me and I don't think it's Cape.
It is fake?
Ok, if Ender is mafia then Visor is the save. It's not me and I don't think it's Cape.
I am not a mason with visor.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 04:57
3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.
4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.
EnderWiggin I didn't read a lot of the build up to your wagon. Why do you think people wanted you dead?
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 05:00
Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.
I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.
Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.
Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.
Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.
Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.
HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.
This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.
if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket
I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:08
i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming :shrug:
I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh
Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.
Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one
POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.
I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.
Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?
Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.
Renata D1 specifically did towny.
So Monty/HK are your partners? Good to know.
(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:10
EnderWiggin I didn't read a lot of the build up to your wagon. Why do you think people wanted you dead?
Honestly?
As best I can tell it's a mix of people thinking I'm somehow playing underwhelmingly (lol) and people who didn't like how I opened this game?
Oh and the good old "Ender is stilted" when I feel like I'm just poking around and having fun in thread.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:10
if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket
I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?
The reason I want to townread Vul is in D1 where I defend him for 90% of the day because I townread him.
And I say why even.
Surprisingly.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:11
I am not a mason with visor.
Well.
Lmao.
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