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hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 05:43
Honestly?
As best I can tell it's a mix of people thinking I'm somehow playing underwhelmingly (lol) and people who didn't like how I opened this game?
Oh and the good old "Ender is stilted" when I feel like I'm just poking around and having fun in thread.
cool
@ thread ender is town
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:57
Wut
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 05:57
Out of all the posts "Salty about being scumread" is so far in my scum wheelhouse compared to other posts I've made.
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 07:57
Out of all the posts "Salty about being scumread" is so far in my scum wheelhouse compared to other posts I've made.
yeah but it tracks combined with some things you said earlier on D1. Don't think of me saying you're town off of that post, think of it as me saying you're town off of several posts spread out throughout the game.
Montmorency
12-08-2022, 08:37
my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.
Not "our" Amy. ?
3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.
Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. :creep: But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?
4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.
None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.
it is
The claim is fake?
and I got scared
So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 :quiet: feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.
Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?
Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.
Renata D1 specifically did towny.
Hold your horses.
(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)
My frown had a different object of regard.
Montmorency
12-08-2022, 08:43
Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships. :quiet:
HK
Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.
Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender
Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
I feel like I should go back to some of my previous games and show you examples of me having very similar thoughts as town.
Yep.
Well well well, you both are going to be surprised if you're town. More and more people will find out that I actively change the way I think about my reads to account for tunneling town.
Since you're you, can you skim D1 of the last Org game (mini) and discern why Vulgard was the D1 ML?
I know I'm not the person being asked, but I was the D1 ML in that game because I was frozen and I'm actively trying not to be in this game to avoid that.
Taffy is my top town.
I would not have voted Logic yesterday had I been around at EOD, but I wasn't. It became increasingly obvious toward the late hours of EOD that Logic wasn't a hit and people should've switched. Some did. Ladd in particular changing his vote is a good look for him imo considering how confident he was before, I think he could've kept pushing for that wagon as a wolf.
I feel roughly equal about the chances of Amy and Ender being wolves, except I like the wagon composition on Ender more. I think dya is town, I think ladd's vote switch was towny, I think Csargo has been towny. I have Montmorency in null but he voted on both Amy/Ender so his presence on the Ender wagon is kinda whatever. The Amy wagon has a lot of people I have no read on, I just have a bad reason to call Visor town from his day 1 treatment of ladd but I don't even believe in it very strongly so I'm just going to outright drop it.
Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.
I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.
I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town
Thank you.
If I asked you questions and you do not answer them like you are trying to convince a fellow townie of your solve, we WILL NOT see day three together.
What if I don't think you're town?
I'm realizing I'm townreading people who are townreading me, those being Csargo, dyachei and Taffy. I feel like Taffy is the towniest of the three, and I also know that wolves often townread me when I'm the thread's wolfread, so I'm thinking I might be wrong on one of Csargo/dyachei (hopefully not both).
Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
EnderWiggin How have Renata and Amy towntold?
the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it
That's not the process, the process is "I think this about you right now but I have a feeling I'm wrong so I'll just reverse the read.
I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.
Vote: Montmorency
Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.
I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.
Taffy is my top town.
Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.
I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.
ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.
Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.
Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.
Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.
Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.
I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.
I think Montmorency is a wolf.
Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.
Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a :quiet: emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).
Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.
But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.
Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.
I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.
Vote: Montmorency
He still doesn't have them today. Refer to his posts directly above mine.
Feels like an easy wolf that escaped me because I barely read his content on day 1.
I think Visor defended him, too, and Visor is also wolfy. 2+2.
Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a :quiet: emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).
I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?
I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?
I generally liked his posts on day 1.
I agree this is a bad reason and I am concerned I am townreading one, possibly multiple wolves who have townread me. I also found the way Csargo denied being masons with Visor a bit awkward.
Also this isn?t really strong but Monty trying to ask if I could be being coached feels like an odd thought from a wolf. It?s not much but it?s kind of there. Ender is the one where I can?t see any belief in reads. I cant even figure out from that big reads discussion who he thinks is a wolf. Right now I?d buy a him, Visor and maybe still you world pretty cheap.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:35
Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. :creep: But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?
Not really at all. I don't yeet someone I townread because they're not me. I hope people understand my positions later. And then hope I'm not wrong.
None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.
Question = "Who do you think could be wolf on Logic wagon."
My response = "I don't think there is (Because I townread a lot of them) BUT IF I WERE TO PICK A NAME IT WOULD BE IN THIS SUBSET."
Now next time read more closely if you're confused.
So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 :quiet: feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.
What the hell is this post.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:36
Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships. :quiet:
HK
Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.
Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender
Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.
The amount of nulls in this post is too damn high.
Raskolnikov
12-08-2022, 13:37
Vulgard (2): pizza, Renata
Visor (1): HK
Monty (1): Vulgard
EOD in roughly 35 hours and half
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:40
Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
EnderWiggin How have Renata and Amy towntold?
Renata townread is a dumb read but I believe in it.
The late entry to thread and generally how they've acted around that reads as town.
Amy's general interactions with me early and how we both vibed on the same reads-ish early felt like town. It's probably one of the weaker townreads (I kinda believe in the Renata one more than this one) but between that and how she acted when wagoned I kinda don't think it's a hit?
Writing that out it feels weaker than it felt in my head ngl.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:41
Also Vulgard is too onside with my viewpoints to honestly be scum.
I'm ditching my re-eval for now because I just keep coming back to him being towny.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:41
If Vulgard is wolf then one of us is hard wrong-siding lmao.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:42
Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.
It's open on Giraffeboards forum.
Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 13:44
Also this isn?t really strong but Monty trying to ask if I could be being coached feels like an odd thought from a wolf. It?s not much but it?s kind of there. Ender is the one where I can?t see any belief in reads. I cant even figure out from that big reads discussion who he thinks is a wolf. Right now I?d buy a him, Visor and maybe still you world pretty cheap.
Help me bus then.
Vote: Visor
Help me bus then.
Vote: Visor
This can’t be real.
Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon
This seems fun though vote:Ender
This can’t be real.
I'm certainly regretting not killing him over logic
One day I'll learn to not be sentimental
Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon. Yawn.
Good chat see U fellas tomorrow
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:04
Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.
...
What.
How the hell am I disconnected from engaging with it?
I didn't strongly do anything because I started the day while working, took a nap after work, and have been reading back up.
I literally haven't been able to reread thread until like...
20m ago.
I explicitly said I wouldn't have any time for a bunch more hours when responding to Pizza.
My POE right now is probably:
Boq - Top of POE which means least wanted. Their progression on some slots feels wolfy to me, to explain:
#385 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836935&viewfull=1#post2053836935) - Approves of the Logic wagon and doesn't jump on, this is part of my iffiness about how they treated Logic.
#390 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836940&viewfull=1#post2053836940) - The whole "I townread Amy buuuuut side-eyes."
#405 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836955&viewfull=1#post2053836955) - This was one similar to what I was remembering EOD, Boq is like "This is wolfy but maybe not. But I sus it."
#432 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836982&viewfull=1#post2053836982) - Almost constant "Logic is sus but maybe."
#449 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836999&viewfull=1#post2053836999) - This is the thing I was thinking of at EOD. "I sus Logic but voting somewhere else don't mind me."
Followed by:
#580 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837141&viewfull=1#post2053837141) - "I didn't try to change the wagon, I just didn't want towny blood on my hands."
#607 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837168&viewfull=1#post2053837168) - It's more of the same.
#719 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837290&viewfull=1#post2053837290) - Doesn't townread Logic, but treats Logic like town in the way he talks about his Amy vote.
I got distracted casing Boq, but the other are like Visor and Monty.
Csargo is an ehehhh with Dya/ladd/Kage just above.
I have added HK to town leans but that's because I don't see why HK would pull that "Nah Ender's town." when I'm an easy misyeet for him rn if he's wolf. Like cutting off a misyeet and defending me feels bad for a wolf when I'm prime tasting fruit rn.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:05
This can’t be real.
You will have to live with my snark.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:09
It's past midnight already, I'll briefly cover Monty/Visor.
I think Visor's scum because of their treatment of Logic when Logic went hard on "Visor is wolf" felt like someone desperately putting out fires.
This is a review of the scene with the clarity of knowing I was wrong on Logic. I'll admit I ignored 90% of that when it happened because I was tunnelled on Logic.
I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact. Which is a major soft-footprint style read. Especially with the number of nulls put.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:13
Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.
I've given you your thoughts. And corrected this horrific interpretation of my status with regards to my POE.
Feel free to launch what questions you have at me.
It's past midnight already, I'll briefly cover Monty/Visor.
I think Visor's scum because of their treatment of Logic when Logic went hard on "Visor is wolf" felt like someone desperately putting out fires.
This is a review of the scene with the clarity of knowing I was wrong on Logic. I'll admit I ignored 90% of that when it happened because I was tunnelled on Logic.
I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact. Which is a major soft-footprint style read. Especially with the number of nulls put.
I don't understand why you think I would care about someone saying I was a lock wolf for daring to be wrong on them.
I was the first logic pusher to turn around on the wagon - I went back there to save you because I felt bad about killing you in the syndicate game when it was you vs hollowkatt - but I still did - which would be reasonable to push me for I guess, but that isn't your argument.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:16
I don't understand why you think I would care about someone saying I was a lock wolf for daring to be wrong on them.
I was the first logic pusher to turn around on the wagon - I went back there to save you because I felt bad about killing you in the syndicate game when it was you vs hollowkatt - but I still did - which would be reasonable to push me for I guess, but that isn't your argument.
Treatment of it is why. But shrug.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:17
But I've changed my mind anyway.
Vote: Boq
Made myself believe in this one more lmao.
Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon
If this is true, then lmao.
Renata townread is a dumb read but I believe in it.
The late entry to thread and generally how they've acted around that reads as town.
Amy's general interactions with me early and how we both vibed on the same reads-ish early felt like town. It's probably one of the weaker townreads (I kinda believe in the Renata one more than this one) but between that and how she acted when wagoned I kinda don't think it's a hit?
Writing that out it feels weaker than it felt in my head ngl.
I feel like you're townreading everyone who suspects you.
I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact.
Are you saying the same thing twice because you're struggling to find arguments?
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:20
I feel like you're townreading everyone who suspects you.
Prettyyyyy sure not?
Also I townread Renata and Amy before they sussed me soooo.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:22
Are you saying the same thing twice because you're struggling to find arguments?
No, it's past midnight and words aren't the greatest when I'm exhausted.
Reads vs Position was the difference in that statement.
Their reads have been vastly full of Nulls. I haven't felt like any of them are put out to change thread.
Position has been very hands off with regards to the logic wagon/progression of things EOD (which I know is v/v so perspective advantage gg) which feels right for a wolf who knows it's v/v.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:23
Is this the arc where Vulgard gives up on townreading me and then I really have started by townreading all the people who suss me eventually.
Is this the arc where Vulgard gives up on townreading me and then I really have started by townreading all the people who suss me eventually.
You're just being fishy right now, though we agree on Montmorency.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:25
You're just being fishy right now, though we agree on Montmorency.
Lmao.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:26
Would you get back in my pocket if I join you on Monty? =P
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:32
if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection
Catching up now that I have gotten a full night's rest.
Basically, if it was not a PR hunt, then killing one guy voting for Ladd because Ladd is afraid he will find him is like...
Not a thing that happens.
It's more like a PR hunt always, and if it was just a kill to kill someone, then Ladd should be innocent because the kill "implicates" Ladd on a level zero level.
It is null as a PR hunt, if it wasn't then I think it's less likely Ladd is scum because it's antispew as a decision, to implicate Ladd.
You pick someone who, if town decides to think like it's their first game ever, tries to yeet a townie, not a wolf.
But its more like a PR hunt.
Someone who sussed me even though i claimed a PR, leads them to think he's a PR a lot, and they're wrong.
Would you get back in my pocket if I join you on Monty? =P
No comment.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:35
vote: dya
Yeah that's what I call "hurdling"
Just the bare minimum effort to answer a question.
Why is Vulgard villagery? Oh, because he's been so villagery.
That is not even hurdling at that point, it's tripping over the hurdle.
Wolves see town solving questions as obstacles. I can link you an endgame where the townie answered my questions in detail, enlightening me as to the full depth of his thoughts, while the wolf just gave me a couple liners at most, directly responding to the question but just acting like these questions were challenges that needed to be met, at the bare minimum.
By contrast the villager was more like pole vaulting over the hurdles. Just exceeding the minimums.
Dya's response here is wolfy.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:36
Pizza reason for trying to kill Ampharos EoD please.
Did you not see me suss Ampharos all day?
Generally villagers try to yeet their suspects.
But a large enough flashwagon killed Logic that voting blade or amy wouldn't have mattered, and both were suspects of mine.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:38
You, mostly agreed with you woof leans, except vulgard.
Currently Taffy's look very similar to where I'm at now
3. Bad opening, continuous pressure leads to more negative opinions/responses and no optically worse candidate, something along those lines. Probably people wanting to save ender/ampharos as well
4. everyone but vulgard, cape, taffy, maybe visor. I don't get visor currently
Wow look at that
Cooperating with the investigation and giving me a whole three or four minutes of his time.
Thanks Csargo. You are already ahead of almost everyone else so far.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:39
Hardclaim Masons with csargo
So you can take that feather out of your cap bronanas
(The other post was just a joke for @Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=49887))
Not really.
But I can accept Csargo as villagery.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:43
Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.
Besides being villagery because she doesn't know my alignment (you get one of those, no one else emulating it will)
What makes it not a great post, considering she has two of your same suspects?
Besides being villagery because she doesn't know my alignment (you get one of those, no one else emulating it will)
What makes it not a great post, considering she has two of your same suspects?
That post doesn't even mention you. How is it villagery "because she doesn't know your alignment?"
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:46
I am very unfamiliar with Renata so it would be helpful to know more. I know you suspect them but I felt it was out of POE since they were here last minute basically. Has your read changed? Did you have a more deep reason for suspecting the slot?
I currently think she is a villager who doesn't know what she's doing as there hasn't been any useful info so she's grasping at a lot of names she doesn't trust and doesn't have a reason to make a big towncore because that's not her style even though that is the current meta for MU players is building big towncores.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:47
This is a good point out tbh
Hey how about that.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:48
This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.
Yeah this is Renata pointing out Vulgard is a wolf, because Vulgard wrote something a townie never writes and said it like it was a sincere thing.
That post doesn't even mention you. How is it villagery "because she doesn't know your alignment?"
Never mind, it does mention you, but it just throws you and a list of like 4 other people into a group of suspects that are a sheep of spooge, the dead villager. How does this make her town specifically for the read on you?
Yeah this is Renata pointing out Vulgard is a wolf, because Vulgard wrote something a townie never writes and said it like it was a sincere thing.
Want to see a quote from me where I wrote something extremely similar as town?
You seem to have an extremely binary perspective on the game of mafia, good player or not.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:49
it is
There was no basis for Visor doing it, and I already need doc protection if I succeed, so it was fake as soon as I saw it and your response was not a confirmation.
Visor is not doing much solving today and I'm inclined to want him dead.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:50
if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket
I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?
Dya Visor Vulgard Ender with a side bit of Amy sus I can't let go of rn.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:52
Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?
Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.
Renata D1 specifically did towny.
So Monty/HK are your partners? Good to know.
(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)
How about you put some real effort into your solve as if you want to convince anyone at all that your solve is one you believe
For your whole day one you played with some level of confidence. To enter day two and suddenly have less confidence instead of more, doesn't make sense.
Don't you have MORE information now than you did on day one?
Don't you have a smaller pool of suspects?
As the counterwagon, you have a unique insight as to what the wolves probably did. I don't see you aggressively pursuing any suspect.
Dya Visor Vulgard Ender with a side bit of Amy sus I can't let go of rn.
Anything on Kagemusha?
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:54
How about you put some real effort into your solve as if you want to convince anyone at all that your solve is one you believe
For your whole day one you played with some level of confidence. To enter day two and suddenly have less confidence instead of more, doesn't make sense.
Don't you have MORE information now than you did on day one?
Don't you have a smaller pool of suspects?
As the counterwagon, you have a unique insight as to what the wolves probably did. I don't see you aggressively pursuing any suspect.
It's almost like I confidently lead town to yeet...
A town.
Lmao.
I'm tiredly reading along but I couldn't let this go.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:54
Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships. :quiet:
HK
Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.
Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender
Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.
Yes villager Monty, I explode today and kill others.
You being the last person to figure it out makes you town.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:56
Also that period was literally me checking in while doing work. Idk whatcha want from me. I shouldn't even be up now but here we are.
Yes villager Monty, I explode today and kill others.
You being the last person to figure it out makes you town.
???
[had to write more than ? because 3 character lower limit]
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 14:58
I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.
I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.
It makes no sense to me either, but I don't have any previous experiences to draw from.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 14:58
What if I don't think you're town?
Then for some reason you are incapable of being a villager with me, and I will remove you from play.
I'm realizing I'm townreading people who are townreading me, those being Csargo, dyachei and Taffy. I feel like Taffy is the towniest of the three, and I also know that wolves often townread me when I'm the thread's wolfread, so I'm thinking I might be wrong on one of Csargo/dyachei (hopefully not both).
Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
@EnderWiggin (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102430) How have Renata and Amy towntold?
That's not the process, the process is "I think this about you right now but I have a feeling I'm wrong so I'll just reverse the read.
I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.
Vote: Montmorency
Just like your wolf game, you give your positions on people being town or scum and you go I actually think this.
Great, if you did you could demonstrate why.
Your solve is all paper thin surface level "If I am right on this read I have no reasoning on, then this other person whose posts look good are a wolf."
That's not how villagers do.
Then for some reason you are incapable of being a villager with me, and I will remove you from play.
Wait, so if I don't townread you I am automatically scum? It looks like that's what you're saying.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:04
Taffy is my top town.
Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.
I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.
ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.
Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.
Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.
Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.
Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.
I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.
I think Montmorency is a wolf.
Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.
Between the no reason positioning on certain people, level zero thoughts, townreading people who townread you, in a cluster, without individually elaborating on why, while also hedging on that position, the fact that your iso reads just like your most recent wolf iso in terms of depth of thoughts and solving processes (none), "Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised." which are thoughts that take several positions at once and contains no actual belief system, oodles of scumtells throughout your iso, and my strong wolf read of you on day one followed by no interest in killing you and a strong desire from many to hit between Ender and Logic, one of which is town, and the other is more villagery than you,
I am probably going to select you as one of the people who die today.
I will continue to interact with you as if you are town and ask you more questions and have you actually substantiate why you believe anything, or more to the point, why you are taking positions without any process behind believing it and or visibly not believing in it at all.
This is intended to prevent a bad death today.
This is me trying to protect you from your own wolfy behavior if you're town.
While you're going WHAT IF I DONT THINK YOURE A VILLAGER AT ALL
Well you're about to find out how villagery I am. As soon as I bold your name in red and say detonate, you die.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:05
Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.
But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.
Even on your biggest and most incorrect "belief" based on absolutely nothing you still hedge.
You can be the yeet today if I hit someone else and blow them up instead, as my legacy read.
Either way you do not see day three. You're all done, from my perspective.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:06
Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.
Yep.
And I can also hand you your own iso from your recent wolf game and point out how flooded with red scumtells it is and compare it to your game here as well.
You're about to find out how effective those tells are.
This is me trying to protect you from your own wolfy behavior if you're town.
You're the only person who thinks I'm super wolfy, Pizza.
While you're going WHAT IF I DONT THINK YOURE A VILLAGER AT ALL
Well you're about to find out how villagery I am. As soon as I bold your name in red and say detonate, you die.
Least egotistical mafia player.
I know this is an attack on character rather than anything productive, but come on. You're being ridiculous regardless of your alignment here.
Yep.
And I can also hand you your own iso from your recent wolf game and point out how flooded with red scumtells it is and compare it to your game here as well.
You're about to find out how effective those tells are.
Have fun.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:08
I think Visor defended him, too, and Visor is also wolfy. 2+2.
Visor is wolfy because he townread someone.
Why.
Even if he's wrong or right on the townread, what differentiates Visor from literally anyone else in the game who made a read?
These declarative statements backed by no specifics don't look like real beliefs to me.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:10
Want to see a quote from me where I wrote something extremely similar as town?
You seem to have an extremely binary perspective on the game of mafia, good player or not.
Go for it, link me a village game containing behavior similar to your game here.
The more it matches the more null your behavior is.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:13
You're the only person who thinks I'm super wolfy, Pizza.
No, because several others have named you today and said I was the top solver on day one when you were my top suspect and the dead guy also thinks you're a wolf.
[QUOTE=luvs2spooge;2053836825]Town
Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos
Little Bit Towny
Mont
Blade
Dya
Ladd
Meh
Visor
Sorta Wolfy
Taffy
Boq
Kage
Quite Wolfy
Logic
Pizza
Vulgard
I again have read all the posts, and these are my reads. Goodbye.
You're spending your time trying to gaslight me rather than show me why you believe your own solve.
At this point I'm losing my ability to care about you being a miss if I explode.
Call me egotistical instead of solving, see how that kind of wolfy dark side tactic works out for you.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:14
You are also beginning to upset me but I will wait until postgame to deal with that aspect.
Right now, I'm looking for reasons not to kill you and you keep giving me reasons to cement the scum read.
How about you give me the time of day and cooperate for five minutes of your life.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:16
I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.
Read my last dozen posts and tell me this isn't exactly how I scum hunt and how my reasoning on Vulgard hasnt caught dozens of wolves in the past year.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:17
I dare you to take that position, with a straight face.
Because you're the other person I want flipped today if you do.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 15:19
Read my last dozen posts and tell me this isn't exactly how I scum hunt and how my reasoning on Vulgard hasnt caught dozens of wolves in the past year.
Reacting to your townreads not your scumread here.
I am redoubting on Vul but will think about it again at not 1am
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:20
Right now I want to kill two names in this list:
Vulgard
Dyachei
Enderwiggin
Visor
Amy
Top to bottom is my current priority.
And then I want to yeet a third name.
Now you people whose names appear on this list tell me why I should or should not kill a different name on that list in the time you have remaining.
Give me reasons on every name.
If you don't cooperate, then you're not solving, and for reasons, I don't want to blow up someone who isn't solving.
I want to yeet someone who isn't solving due to how my role works.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:21
Reacting to your townreads not your scumread here.
I am redoubting on Vul but will think about it again at not 1am
Ok tell me who I townread and why I townread them.
Since I havent said why yet, not even really on Cape.
tbf i think i am the player most often in mafia history who people refuse to elaborate on wolfreads on and just say visor is wolfy as if it stands on its own
Vote: Vulgard
:curtain:
Right now I want to kill two names in this list:
Vulgard
Dyachei
Enderwiggin
Visor
Amy
Top to bottom is my current priority.
And then I want to yeet a third name.
Now you people whose names appear on this list tell me why I should or should not kill a different name on that list in the time you have remaining.
Give me reasons on every name.
If you don't cooperate, then you're not solving, and for reasons, I don't want to blow up someone who isn't solving.
I want to yeet someone who isn't solving due to how my role works.
kill all of em
:curtain:
Go for it, link me a village game containing behavior similar to your game here.
The more it matches the more null your behavior is.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37462-Gravity-Falls
This one is probably the most similar, pretty sure I did this sort of thing a couple of times.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 15:23
Ok tell me who I townread and why I townread them.
Since I havent said why yet, not even really on Cape.
You gave Cape town points for reacting to your quiz. Gave nothing to anyone else who did.
Idek your monty townread reasons but you said it in response to a list I didn't like so feels weird.
Rhose were the two I felt weird about
Call me egotistical instead of solving, see how that kind of wolfy dark side tactic works out for you.
The part I quoted was undoubtedly egotistical. I haven't said you weren't solving.
You are also beginning to upset me but I will wait until postgame to deal with that aspect.
Right now, I'm looking for reasons not to kill you and you keep giving me reasons to cement the scum read.
How about you give me the time of day and cooperate for five minutes of your life.
I'm cooperating by responding to your posts. In fact, responses to your posts constitute most of my content today.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 15:26
Might've been Csargo you gave points to in a weird way for responding, I actually am not sure
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 15:27
I actively need to pass out and have work in the morning.
I'll try to get back on before 24hr mark but idk
tbf i think i am the player most often in mafia history who people refuse to elaborate on wolfreads on and just say visor is wolfy as if it stands on its own
Vote: Vulgard
:curtain:
I mean. Logic thought you were wolfy, and your SoD today looked a bit like you were doing damage control after that. I had a townread on you during day 1, but looking back makes me think it's silly, and I'm walking it back for that reason. You also haven't really been solving the game IMO. The point about you moving your vote away from Logic is genuinely a pretty good point, however.
What do you think about Csargo's treatment of your mason claim with him? The whole thing. Holistically.
No, because several others have named you today and said I was the top solver on day one when you were my top suspect and the dead guy also thinks you're a wolf.
[QUOTE=luvs2spooge;2053837016]
You're spending your time trying to gaslight me rather than show me why you believe your own solve.
At this point I'm losing my ability to care about you being a miss if I explode.
No, though I guess I could've phrased it better. The emphasis was on super. No one else wolfreads me as hard, especially no one alive. I suppose Spooge had me in his PoE, but he didn't even vote me at EoD.
Not that this matters. I was just saying.
[QUOTE=Askthepizzaguy;2053837694]No, because several others have named you today and said I was the top solver on day one when you were my top suspect and the dead guy also thinks you're a wolf.
No, though I guess I could've phrased it better. The emphasis was on super. No one else wolfreads me as hard, especially no one alive. I suppose Spooge had me in his PoE, but he didn't even vote me at EoD.
Not that this matters. I was just saying.
Idk what happened to this quote, I'm clearly quoting Pizza.
I mean. Logic thought you were wolfy, and your SoD today looked a bit like you were doing damage control after that. I had a townread on you during day 1, but looking back makes me think it's silly, and I'm walking it back for that reason. You also haven't really been solving the game IMO. The point about you moving your vote away from Logic is genuinely a pretty good point, however.
What do you think about Csargo's treatment of your mason claim with him? The whole thing. Holistically.
logic thought i was wolfy specifically because he believed i had a god read on him and that me getting him wrong was wolfy
my posts p clearly indicate i was trying to work with him in spite of that to get to a correct read on him (and eventually did, before everyone else (of the logic pushers) - which nobody else has brought up but me!)
i can understand that my SOD seems like damage control - but even if you think that i think that is pretty nai - i like to apologise when i think ive made a mistake or poor play (and im more than capable of pretending to do so too as a wolf). i just dont see myself as being in danger from the logic flip (unless u want to tie me to ender which could be reasonable).
i expected csargo to hold it for a little longer and then drop it, csar has never struck me as the type as willing to do a risky play like that, but i found his reaction to it surprisingly awkward and 'weak'. but my opinion on this hardly matters. is csar is a wolf he knows i have a chance to go down today so making sure that he isnt keeping me afloat is in his best interest. if hes a villa and genuinely thinks im a wolf trying to cling to him for a lifeline id expect a stronger rebuttal, but perhaps he is just surprised and not sure how to deal with it (as either alignment).
don't think i got a huge amount out of it.
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 15:40
Afternoon folks! Ok. It seems we are starting to have some meat around the bones so does speak. So im gonna dig in the thread and give some impressions ive got so far. This might take a while.
Afternoon folks! Ok. It seems we are starting to have some meat around the bones so does speak. So im gonna dig in the thread and give some impressions ive got so far. This might take a while.
looking forward to it
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 15:43
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37462-Gravity-Falls
This one is probably the most similar, pretty sure I did this sort of thing a couple of times.
Thank you.
Keep going this is at the very least basic levels of cooperation which is all I asked for.
Any outstanding question I have that wasn't answered also helps.
Boooo csargo booooo
I thought it was funny, so I was planning to go along with it to see what you would do. Then I chickened out cause I have no idea what's in this game. :bow:
I thought it was funny, so I was planning to go along with it to see what you would do. Then I chickened out cause I have no idea what's in this game. :bow:
believable tbh lol
if you kept it up all day id prob have lock cleared u smh
Look, I've seen town leadership and I've seen a lot of people wolfread me. I am a commonly wolfread player, especially early into the game. I am so wolfread that me even voting a town can be seen as mafia indicative even when I killed a wolf before. My ability to project town is not there at all, or at least people's ability to figure out my alignment is not there. I've met very few people who can consistently read me well, and none of them are in this game.
I'm saying this for one reason only: I think the way you're treating me is awful and pro-mafia. If you're a wolf, you're doing great, keep it up. If you are town, you are so stuck in your own head that you're making it extremely difficult to "cooperate," let alone find wolves alongside you. I've seen good wolfreads on me, I've seen lazy wolfreads on me, I've seen it all. I know I am a hard player to read correctly, or at least when I am town. I almost never get townread. The only places where I'm able to enter towncores game after game are mashes, where I also tend to have really good reads. In that sense, it appears you and I are opposites.
But even with that in mind, your approach to my slot is frustrating - and the way you're posting, annoying. You're calling everything I do wolfy, and from my perspective, you are calling people town and mafia for bizarre reasons that do not compute to me at all. Admittedly, I have said this about Spooge and he was the night 1 kill, I recognize that, I've already said that my reads are bad. That's the reason why I'm doubting myself on wolfreading you, I think it's easily possible I'm leveling myself into the wolfread. It happens a lot. But to you, any amount of hedging in my posts, any number of thoughts you consider unsubstantiated, is wolf indicative.
You are saying I am playing exactly like in my last wolfgame. You are not wrong. My ranges are very close together. I've already said this, I am a pretty bad town and a good wolf. I am saying this entirely based on results and not self-perception, it's just true. With that in mind, is it really so surprising that I do not have a clear-cut view of the game and am not writing paragraphs upon paragraphs about someone being mafia/town? I just find it pointless. I can think someone is X alignment for X reasons and then immediately believe it's a bad read, which it often is. It's really not worth my time to devote hours to writing a case on someone only for it to be picked apart or for me to stop believing it pretty quickly, often correctly so. Like I've already said, I would rather just provide my thoughts - I am only giving a lot of reads because that's expected of me and I might get yeeted otherwise. They are and will always be malleable until I discover a process that allows me to consistently catch wolves.
Again, see Spooge, see Logic. My take on Spooge was bad and incorrect, he was the night 1 kill, at least I recognized that while alive and didn't vote him. Logic was town, I incorrectly assumed he was likely a wolf that needed to die. He became towny later, I would not have voted him had I been around as EoD, but he was probably findable before then and I just didn't. My reads are not good. My thoughts can be. That is why I try to give thoughts. In the Org game where I was the D1 ML, I had a correct assessment of the gamestate that was inconcrete but game-solving. I sometimes do have stuff like that, I just usually don't recognize which one is good.
I am repeating myself at this point. Point is, I am not your average player. I am weird! I struggle with things others generally don't, and this isn't me beating myself up, this is from experience. I'm saying this again because you seem to be ignoring all of that, Pizza, and if you are town, you are being pro-mafia with this entire thing. And it frustrates me either way, because you are expressing such confidence and being so... threadstompy, while I don't even think your logic tracks about other people. And I could be wrong to question you, sure, but the very fact you implied I was a wolf if I didn't townread you is laughable to me. That's not how any of this works. That is not how it's supposed to work.
And this is why I mentioned seeing other town leaders. I've worked with other town leaders. I've worked with town leaders who had a wolfread on me. I do not believe that you are being a good town leader. This is all about you and what you think, and while you might even be mostly correct, the way you are approaching this game frustrates me. Especially if Ender is also town. In fact, if Ender is also town, you should feel ashamed, because the way you're playing is destroying this day phase.
I don't really have a townread on Ender anymore. I am conflicted, and I am conflicted mostly because of you, as well as due to the wagon formation from yesterday - the one on Ender, of course - looking good to me. You are wolfreading several players on his wagon from yesterday, but you still think he's mafia. I don't know how to reconcile that.
My top wolfread is still Montmorency, whom you still haven't talked about at all. That's the belief substantiated with reasoning that you wanted. I might change it later! I do often change those later. But I currently hold this belief.
And I also think Taffy is definitely town, and I don't see myself changing this one. I also thought Renata's posts right now were fairly towny. Not sure if I said that earlier.
logic thought i was wolfy specifically because he believed i had a god read on him and that me getting him wrong was wolfy
my posts p clearly indicate i was trying to work with him in spite of that to get to a correct read on him (and eventually did, before everyone else (of the logic pushers) - which nobody else has brought up but me!)
i can understand that my SOD seems like damage control - but even if you think that i think that is pretty nai - i like to apologise when i think ive made a mistake or poor play (and im more than capable of pretending to do so too as a wolf). i just dont see myself as being in danger from the logic flip (unless u want to tie me to ender which could be reasonable).
i expected csargo to hold it for a little longer and then drop it, csar has never struck me as the type as willing to do a risky play like that, but i found his reaction to it surprisingly awkward and 'weak'. but my opinion on this hardly matters. is csar is a wolf he knows i have a chance to go down today so making sure that he isnt keeping me afloat is in his best interest. if hes a villa and genuinely thinks im a wolf trying to cling to him for a lifeline id expect a stronger rebuttal, but perhaps he is just surprised and not sure how to deal with it (as either alignment).
don't think i got a huge amount out of it.
I had a townread on Csargo before but I felt his handling of your mason claim was kinda wolfy. Not sure how to substantiate this thought, though.
believable tbh lol
if you kept it up all day id prob have lock cleared u smh
:oops:
I had a townread on Csargo before but I felt his handling of your mason claim was kinda wolfy. Not sure how to substantiate this thought, though.
i dont disagree - but i do think its possible he just panicked as either alignment, so i am tossing it out
(thinking it over, his reaction is weak enough im leaning towards townreading now)
Yeah that's what I call "hurdling"
Just the bare minimum effort to answer a question.
Why is Vulgard villagery? Oh, because he's been so villagery.
That is not even hurdling at that point, it's tripping over the hurdle.
Wolves see town solving questions as obstacles. I can link you an endgame where the townie answered my questions in detail, enlightening me as to the full depth of his thoughts, while the wolf just gave me a couple liners at most, directly responding to the question but just acting like these questions were challenges that needed to be met, at the bare minimum.
By contrast the villager was more like pole vaulting over the hurdles. Just exceeding the minimums.
Dya's response here is wolfy.
I liked Dyacheis little sus of me, felt like old times, and disappointed she?s not halfway into a death tunnel already.
Ngl, I have a feeling Ender is V and the top 2 wagons were V/V. Maybe Amy was a wolf being wagoned.
This is making me want to gut Montmorency more. He switched from Amy to Ender.
Ngl, I have a feeling Ender is V and the top 2 wagons were V/V. Maybe Amy was a wolf being wagoned.
This is making me want to gut Montmorency more. He switched from Amy to Ender.
I wouldn't say this is a good thought but I'm trying to be transparent.
Ngl, I have a feeling Ender is V and the top 2 wagons were V/V. Maybe Amy was a wolf being wagoned.
This is making me want to gut Montmorency more. He switched from Amy to Ender.
montmorency voted at eod solely to tie it up
its his thing he does - he did that to kill ladd in the sorc game too
Raskolnikov
12-08-2022, 16:00
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Vulgard (1): pizza
Monty (1): Vulgard
Ender (1): Renata
How was I supposed to handle it?
I've seen this story before, and the person in Visor's position was a woof iirc. There's a lot of reasons why I didn't want to go along with it long-term.
Did you not see me suss Ampharos all day?
Generally villagers try to yeet their suspects.
But a large enough flashwagon killed Logic that voting blade or amy wouldn't have mattered, and both were suspects of mine.
Why Ampharos over Ender, to clarify. I think Ender had more votes and I?m sure he wound up with more.
How was I supposed to handle it?
I've seen this story before, and the person in Visor's position was a woof iirc. There's a lot of reasons why I didn't want to go along with it long-term.
I just felt the fact you acknowledged it at first but then denied it upon being questioned about it felt like a wolf trying to take advantage of somebody's attempt to align with you but no longer doing it once realizing it might make you looks sus.
That is certainly a sentence, sorry about that.
montmorency voted at eod solely to tie it up
its his thing he does - he did that to kill ladd in the sorc game too
Okay, I guess?
Does he do this even if he doesn't wolfread either player?
Okay, I guess?
Does he do this even if he doesn't wolfread either player?
yep lol
he just does it to create info
nearly every game he can (pretty sure its just a NAI thing for him)
I currently think she is a villager who doesn't know what she's doing as there hasn't been any useful info so she's grasping at a lot of names she doesn't trust and doesn't have a reason to make a big towncore because that's not her style even though that is the current meta for MU players is building big towncores.
To be more specific, I?m been burned a lot towncoring wolves and I?m sick of it and don?t want to do it anymore.
yep lol
he just does it to create info
nearly every game he can (pretty sure its just a NAI thing for him)
This is definitely going to mess up some of my analysis. Does he ever vote for people he actually wolfreads, then?
To be more specific, I?m been burned a lot towncoring wolves and I?m sick of it and don?t want to do it anymore.
I've been burned a lot wolfreading villagers!
I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.
He?s got nearly all the same suspects as me. This makes me happy and also makes me want to throw him off a cliff so I can read his guts.
I just felt the fact you acknowledged it at first but then denied it upon being questioned about it felt like a wolf trying to take advantage of somebody's attempt to align with you but no longer doing it once realizing it might make you looks sus.
That is certainly a sentence, sorry about that.
If I was a woof, I would have just told Visor to :daisy: off tbh, but I guess that's not something that anyone would be able to verify.
This is definitely going to mess up some of my analysis. Does he ever vote for people he actually wolfreads, then?
he def does - just at eod (at least on d1) he likes to force things to be a tie
Right now I want to kill two names in this list:
Vulgard
Dyachei
Enderwiggin
Visor
Amy
Top to bottom is my current priority.
And then I want to yeet a third name.
Now you people whose names appear on this list tell me why I should or should not kill a different name on that list in the time you have remaining.
Give me reasons on every name.
If you don't cooperate, then you're not solving, and for reasons, I don't want to blow up someone who isn't solving.
I want to yeet someone who isn't solving due to how my role works.
I think Dyachei?s defense kind of spews Amy town if Dya isn?t.
Spooge reads (with the caveat that I think ladd would be lower given he voted them)
Town
Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos
Little Bit Towny
Mont
Blade
Dya
Ladd
Meh
Visor
Sorta Wolfy
Taffy
Boq
Kage
Quite Wolfy
Logic
Pizza
Vulgard
I want to look into that sorta wolfy pile
id love people to talk about boq some more
just seems like a wolf to me
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 16:30
Vote: Dyachei
Making dinner and family time, Im not reading or processing right now.
This is my default vote for today as I am probably not detonating her.
Afternoon folks! Ok. It seems we are starting to have some meat around the bones so does speak. So im gonna dig in the thread and give some impressions ive got so far. This might take a while.
Kage! I noticed your greetings vote when rereading the thread yesterday. Good to see you.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2022, 16:31
Role is not standard and dyachei is too busy to process the game so I can't risk it on her.
That has to be sorted by yeet or not yeeting her.
You will see why when my role is revealed.
Rethinking Ender's reads from the start of this day phase, I see why they are wolfy.
renata, vulgard, pizza,
thoughts on boq?
renata, vulgard, pizza,
thoughts on boq?
I can’t do it while I’m stuck on my phone, too hard. Yesterday was reading them as fine, probably just town, until I saw luvs read and that made me reconsider. But I haven’t looked properly.
Kind of on my to do list.
Specifically why.
This question was for Vulgard.
renata, vulgard, pizza,
thoughts on boq?
Hard null.
Specifically why.
Why Ender's reads are wolfy? Because he has no suspects. So basically what Pizza said in a nutshell.
And as for Boquise, he's null because I don't feel like he's done anything significant. I did see some of his snark in some d1 posts which I've seen him exhibit as town, so I don't really want to kill him, but I wouldn't say I townread him.
Why Ender's reads are wolfy? Because he has no suspects. So basically what Pizza said in a nutshell.
I’m just
I called him out on that same thing before Pizza entered the thread and you said nothing but ok maybe I’m not always the most clear. You want to vote him with me?
I’m just
I called him out on that same thing before Pizza entered the thread and you said nothing but ok maybe I’m not always the most clear. You want to vote him with me?
I did say nothing because I didn't think this beforehand. Note the last page where I just said I'm starting to think Ender might indeed be wolfy.
vote EnderWiggin
I haven't dropped my wolfread on Montmorency, ftr.
Also, I read Pizza's guide, or at least parts of it, and my head hurts. I don't get it. But maybe that makes him town in this game if he is following it, lol.
Raskolnikov
12-08-2022, 17:07
Ender (2): Renata, Vulgard
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): pizza
I think Dyachei?s defense kind of spews Amy town if Dya isn?t.
i can dig this fwiw
I guess?
I think dya could also be mafia, I suppose. I don't hate this. There are probably wolves among the people townreading me, because this is literally always the case (wolves have an easier time discerning my alignment because they aren't guessing and I'm hard to read), and dya is among my townreaders. In Gravity Falls, the game I linked to Pizza, I caught Aro on day 2 specifically because he was townreading me while most other players weren't. I dropped the read later, but I had him caught there.
I really went with "probably" and justified it with "always," didn't I.
I'm tired. Farewell.
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 17:53
Here is what i think after day 1:
Most town
ATGP
Totally Not Taffy
Enderwiggin
town leaning
ladd
neutral
Renata
Visor
Ampharos
Boquise
scum leaning
Csargo
scummy
Monty
dyachei
Vulgard
cape90
Hollowkatt
How i have come to this prediction. I have given points for being leader and building cases, creating pressure. People who are taking leadership from the start can get a pass at being scum for now as if they lead town to failures they are going to get the chop.
Because this was day 1 i have given neutrality points for shitposting and shitvoting. Shooting in the dark day one is completely acceptable and trying to get any reaction from other people is information for the town in the future. From day 2 onward shitvoting and posting should not be looked upon so kindly anymore.
I have given negative points for making non cases, lazy cases and giving follow votes without reasoning. Flip flopping without reasoning.These are the positions most easy for scum to hide and should be frowned upon. Under this i have posts i think are most telling about how i see things as of now:
Town
Totally not Taffy (#142 Push towards Ender to get the case out, pressure, no effect.)
EnderWiggin (#138 push towards Monty for reaction)
ATGP (#204 vote: Ampharos, pressure)
ATGP (#327 case Amphoros)
EnderWiggin (#398 case against Logic)
ladd (#422 case against Logic)
Totally not Taffy (#513 vote Hollowkatt reason disappearing, pressure.
Renata (#812 vote Ampharos, pressure)
ATGP (#862 returns to his vote on Ampharos, consistent)
Neutral
Visor (103# shitvote towards Pizza)
Monty (131# shitvote towards Visor)
Ampharos (#154 shitvote against Logic? No case.)
ATGP (#213 Vote Ender/Bladescape shit vote)
Kagemusha (#226 shitvote towards Csargo)
Csargo (#300 shitvote ATGP)
Kagemusha (#303 shitvote Renata)
Boquise (#449 shitvote Kagemusha)
Visor (#706 shitvote Boquise)
Boquise (#716 shitvote Ampharos)
luvs2spooge (#740 shitvote Vulgard)
Csargo (#744 shitvote Ender)
Visor (#788 shitvote Ampharos)
Totally not Taffy #842 ( 4th follow on Logic, three way tie, pressure.+-0)
Scummy
Hollowkatt (136# "case against Pizza" 4 quotes, nothing from his own mind, easy activity?)
EnderWiggin (#165 1st follow vote on logic."For? Reasons.")
Vulgard (#231 2nd follow vote on logic. No case just vote.)
ladd (#364 3rd follow vote on logic. "seems like an obvious wolf")
visor (#428 4th follow on the Logic vote "fwiw")
Csargo (#530 2nd vote Hollowkatt "I can get behind this" )
Hollowkatt ( #531 vote luv2spooge "also luv2 is a wolf.")
Logic (#536 Vote:Visor "After I flip villager, nuke visor.")
ATGP (#658 unvote personal reasons)
Csargo (#681 2nd follow Kagemusha)
dyachei (#751 second follow Ender)
Renata (#763 5th follow logic)
Logic (#768 third follow Ender)
Monty (#838 1st follow Ampharos)
cape90 (#846 4th follow Ender)
Visor (#853 5th follow Logic)
Renata (#854 6th follow Logic)
Monty (#860 5th follow Ender)
cape90 (#864 7th follow on Logic)
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 17:56
Kage! I noticed your greetings vote when rereading the thread yesterday. Good to see you.
Hi! ~:wave:
Sap
i finally got some time. Will start reading the thread from the start now, if anyone is around and wants to discuss anything while I am reading lmk
You really included yourself.
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 18:03
You really included yourself.
Analyze uber alles!:book2: Helping people so they can see all the players. More info the better.
Not "our" Amy. ?
Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. :creep: But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?
None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.
The claim is fake?
So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 :quiet: feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.
Hold your horses.
My frown had a different object of regard.
The Amy I'm referring to here is my daughter. Not the Amy in this game
Uh huh. You can go in the too fancy for me pile.
Also please use they/them pronouns for me. Thanks
I am not used to be this much behind except in mashes lol
I'll just spitball everything while I catch up
pizza def most noteworthy poster early on but i think how people approach him is more indicative than his actual posting
polarizing players tend to generate awkward posting from wolves
So I see Pizza randed wolf
How is your day going?
this is the villagery reaction to pizza weird early posting imo (and where my cape villaread from d1 actually started)
pizza are you ok
and this would be the wolfy reaction
___________________________________________________________________
sure why not
the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.
villagery read for early game
pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative
his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me
based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter
that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol
wolfy post about pizza #2
vote: Montmorency
Thanks for the easy wolfread.
Put a pin in this one.
Scummy fishing for "easy wolfreads" at SOD1.
I like the push back from monty here and ender just completely giving up on this read afaict after just this seems...so-so at best
I also think he did it again with pizza later in the day but i'll keep reading to see if I remember correctly
There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.
noting this for later cause I curious who it was
but feels performative regardless
Logic and ender a touch Wolfy so far
ya agreed even if logic flipped villager him/ender/amy seem the worst so far. Looking back logic clearly didnt fitwith either amy or ender but oh well
how do you eliminate multiquotes?
i am stuck with a bunch of quotes and have to delete them everytime
Also please use they/them pronouns for me. Thanks
Got it.
If I'm honest I was weaponising exactly this to see how people reacted to my Monty vote with no reasons.
what did you get from it?
idk this makes sense in THEORY but it feels like something a villager doesn't actually care to go to the lenght of doing
For Monty I think the piggyback and the response is broadly a towny response.
:thumbsup:
but you said you were looking for other people's reactioni to that vote and I don't see you trying to do this at all
Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet
Pizza = I have thoughts about this response but it's NAI broadly
Logic = wolfy (If I'm right on this then Monty is 100% town because the tell is how Logic "Piggybacked" off the read to push me.)
i guess there is this
idk it all feels a bit convulted from a villager pov
how do you eliminate multiquotes?
i am stuck with a bunch of quotes and have to delete them everytime
I have a vague memory that somebody upthread somewhere mentioned it's not possible and you do have to do it manually. I have not so far tried.
I have a vague memory that somebody upthread somewhere mentioned it's not possible and you do have to do it manually. I have not so far tried.
I think this is correct.
I have more posts than 20, nearly double that. Correction.
Didnt think it was that many.
Call it 20 solving posts then.
No try again, I do feel that way.
You threatening to yeet me if I feel that way won't change that.
I'm going to leave it and not vote you back because I want to see more from you before I actually commit to a "kill Pizza" project.
Also I'm keyed in on this Logic push I have.
It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.
But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.
I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.
If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.
Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.
Sleep.
No promises. My D1 was never as good as yours at finding a wolf. =P
But you know I always shall try.
oh so pizza was ender secret wolfread?
seems like he really doesnt want to pick a fight with pizza and keeps wanting to move off
:boxing::boxing:
Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.
i read it and dont get how it's relevant
explain plz?
Yeah that's kinda true...
Good choice, someone tried to derpclear me when I was mafia before, it is a play I sometimes like doing on purpose. I was just wondering because of this + the reasons you were townreading me. I know both instances are fairly different though.
Interesting post
I think last game I played with Monty, Monty got POE voted out I think when they were indeed town.
I don't necessarily get this. You see, with some of my posts I had humor in mind. I do not get that impression from your posts this game. Perhaps this was posting just to post :hide:
Interesting read especially on Taffy who is hardly a presence so far and hasn't been towny at all.
I am assuming this all has to do with some of what Ender said about Taffy
So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.
as exemplified here. Which also just feels like it isn't exactly aligning with
But maybe I am cosmic braining this since ATPG is saying that Amy was wolftelling over here...
prob villageriest post so far
red part is so convulted that I don't think a wolf would ~ever be able to coem up with it
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 18:37
After reading today?s posts as well. Im gonnavote: Hollowkatt. You seem to be all over the place, so much that it seems like you are just being active for sake of activity. Can you share your top suspects and give reasoning for why?
That's a lot of reads this early in the game. Probably towny, though?
Okay, that's funny.
Meh, I immediately stopped believing my own logic.
Vote: Logic
I don't actually have reads aside from this at the moment, so don't ask me to give them.
i have seen good wolves do both of these "tricks" a ton of times
Cape's ISO kind of feels like that in a lot of places. People who have Cape in nulls on down I don't really understand and would like an explanation for.
Lean wolf
12. Vulgard
6. luvs2spooge
5. Ampharos
9. EnderWiggin
nice list IYAM
coincidentally pizza also posting pretty villagery now
:shakehands:
After reading today?s posts as well. Im gonnavote: Hollowkatt. You seem to be all over the place, so much that it seems like you are just being active for sake of activity. Can you share your top suspects and give reasoning for why?
I think I'd like you nail down what you're looking at when you say "all over the place".
I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.
Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.
https://media.giphy.com/media/4JVTF9zR9BicshFAb7/giphy.gif
vote logic
seems like an obvious wolf
sick read
i read it and dont get how it's relevant
explain plz?
I thought it was relevant to his early-game posting. He has since stopped doing that, so it is relevant no longer. I said that because people were reading Pizza based on what were essentially shitposts from him and I thought that was silly.
I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.
Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.
i'll never get why people even try this instead of just waiting for me to post more when they know I (almost) always will have a lot more to read me on than 1 post
also I am kinda a sucker for vulgard's post on this page about their recent villa games and not making reads and I guess it adds up+read above is not a read wolves have ever made on me
so leaning villa on them now
I thought it was relevant to his early-game posting. He has since stopped doing that, so it is relevant no longer. I said that because people were reading Pizza based on what were essentially shitposts from him and I thought that was silly.
i still dont see what pre game posts had to do with it
reading anyone on shit posts is silly
but alrighty
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 18:50
I think I'd like you nail down what you're looking at when you say "all over the place".
Hollowkatt has so far voted ATGP, luv2spooge, dyachei and Visor, but i have not seen any attempt of case or building pressure against any of them.
i still dont see what pre game posts had to do with it
reading anyone on shit posts is silly
but alrighty
He said pregame he was going to shitpost, then he shitposted for part of day 1 and yet I saw people making reads on him based on it.
Some selected vulgard posts to show why I think he's villagery. Btw the iso process here sucks
I've realized this isn't very helpful.
My opinion switch was less about what Logic did and more about my thought process. I wasn't happy with me having called Logic towny for that post and 180'd.
I like that he's reconsidering his reads. This doesn't read as hedgy to me but thinking through his reads repeatedly. I don't think he would do this as obviously as a wolf
It's almost like there is nuance in mafia and not everyone has confident, binary reads on people ~12 hours into a game.
I think this sass is villagery.
I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.
Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.
I understand the thought process on this one and have explained already why I think other interpretations were pretty uncharitable. This is also from a person who has, on multiple occasions, talked about how bad their recent town games were.
And now I can answer Pizza's concerns from earlier in more depth. I feel genuinely scared of making reads now, because I just finished a game where I had 4 villagers as wolfreads and two wolves as towncore. We did end up winning that game, but I almost singlehandedly made us lose it, and it took the presence of another villager who became an IC for us to win. It was by far my worst town performance ever.
I also had really terrible reads in some other recent games, which doesn't help. So, yeah. I do have thoughts, but I'm afraid of expressing them because I don't want to be lolwrong again. My last game was an awful performance, so was the game before that, and I tried to express more confidence in both because people have historically wolfread me for hedging, much like you're doing. But me expressing more confidence just led to me becoming even more lolwrong and pushing the wolves' agenda for them.
Realistically, I suspect you for being so confident in such a major solve, Pizza, because I couldn't imagine being this confident this early. I simply could not. I don't have a single read right now that I would 100% commit to. I had two such reads early into my last game and both were horrendously wrong. You have a world of four already.
Your pushes on players other than myself also rub me the wrong way. The push on Ender especially feels like you're seeing something I can't possibly see. From my perspective, Ender did something that vaguely seemed pockety, I told him half-jokingly that he was trying to pocket an innocent townie, he bounced back. This could've just been banter or a V/V interaction on our part. He could be a villager for it! Or just a villager. But you seem to be reading his behavior there as really wolfy to the point that you see me as a wolf with him (or at least that's how I interpreted your posting about us). It's really hard for me to parse your confidence, even with your explanation just now, and the thought process around me and Ender. I just think you're reading into stuff with Ender that isn't necessarily there.
And of course, if Ender is a wolf, then you're going to have been right, then I'm going to look awful for making this post, then i might get yeeted and feel I deserved it for playing poorly yet again. Always a risk, and not even too unlikely. You could be right and I could be the dumbass for wolfreading you here. I'm just sitting here with my little perspective and my instinct says "this guy could easily be tryhard wolfing here despite saying he wouldn't tryhard. He shouldn't be trying this hard as a villager, he said he wouldn't try hard and villagers care less, especially when they give slank cover like this." But I'm not even sure if this is a good line of thinking.
It's basically that. I can't express a confident read. Because when I do, I ruin games. My ability to find wolves is bad and does not improve. My ability to find town is hit or miss. I sometimes write godly posts, but I can never recognize when, and I do not pursue it when I do. Me being accused of hedging, and you calling it so wolfy, and you putting so much pressure on me for it, it kinda just feels like you're being opportunistic, especially since you're not looking into why I might be hedging. I feel like that should be a consideration.
I'm talking a lot about myself in this post and it's probably not really helping, but I can't formulate my thoughts about you without talking about myself first and explaining why I'm not giving many reads, especially confident reads. I know that the way I'm reacting to my poor performance in the last game is probably not the best (outright not making confident reads because my last ones were wrong), but the inaccuracy of my reads has been consistent enough lately that I'd rather just give thoughts instead of reads, if that makes sense, and hope that these thoughts help other people - presumably with better reads than me - nail wolves.
I'm not sure how I will operate independently, and I probably won't figure it out this game.
I should end this post here, and I am.
I think the introspection in this post and it's rambliness is more likely to come from a villager. I think a wolf would be more succinct about it.
Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.
Although I don't agree with vulgard in this post, it shows he's thinking about reads and what they mean for the game. Also showing that he's grasping who can't be w/w even though it's about himself.
Taffy is my top town.
Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.
I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.
ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.
Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.
Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.
Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.
Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.
I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.
I think Montmorency is a wolf.
Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.
I think a wolf would be more...concrete in explaining their reads than this
I admit several of these are weak reasons to v read someone, but looking at the body of work from vulgard makes me think he's a villager
Hollowkatt has so far voted ATGP, luv2spooge, dyachei and Visor, but i have not seen any attempt of case or building pressure against any of them.
Would you say his pushes have been... hollow?
town reads:
cape, vulgard
town leans:
visor, dya, hk, luvs
i am too tired after today smh
i had previously a weak town lean on Amy, as described earlier. I am reverting the read to a weak scum lean because of how Amy is approaching the game and me reminds me of how they have approached those things previously as mafia. Like super easily town read me earlier today for my responses. Amy is a prone Boqusher and is easily paranoid of me tbh. I expected her to feel like I was pocketing her and react to that, if she is town. I have previously misread Amy due to her town reading me and due to how I usually read their mood (it is very relatable tbh).
Also this post:
Feels like Amy hiding thoughts from the thread. It is hard for Logic to combat this post due to its secrecy. i have more words but they cant get out atm tbh
oh and i voted Kage because there was a post I disliked and I wanted to see how the thread reacted tbh
Boquise: which post?
Oh yeah, Boquise townread me too, huh.
Tbh Boquise could just be good at reading me. Last time we played together he found me early as well when I was generally a wolfread.
Kagemusha
12-08-2022, 18:57
Would you say his pushes have been... hollow?
I think you hit the nail in the head there. Well said.
Speaking of my reads, I ought to compile them.
I have dya V for her approach to my slot and to the game in general, they're just chillin'. This is the type of read I'm somewhat likely to be wrong about, so I don't want to attribute too much weight to it, but I feel good enough about dya for now.
I also felt good about Csargo when he was posting. The read on him is dropping a bit because of recency bias, but it's still there.
I had a dumb read on Visor/ladd that they were V/V for ladd explaining his wolfread on Logic in a very memeworthy way and Visor V reading him for it immediately, then them entering banter. I felt like that was the type of thing villagers do with each other as they find each other but neither feels like making a show of it.
Ender/Amy/ATPG is a weird group that contains a wolf IMO. I currently think the wolf is most likely ATPG, but I also think that ATPG is the most isolated-in-thread of these players, and I want to respect his reads a bit, which is why the two people he sussed the most openly are also in this grouping. Basically, he's either a wolf pushing town (Ender and Amy) or he's right on at least one of them is the way I see the situation. Not exactly helpful to see it this way because it doesn't allow determining which one to vote, but it does narrow down the focus a bit, I suppose. I currently think ATPG is the wolfiest, but I have some concerns about this belief considering how big of a role he's played so far and how few people have actually talked about him in a meaningful way. Though on the other hand I don't know if him not being talked about in a meaningful way by most players (by meaningful, I mean with actual conclusions in regard to his alignment) makes him town, it could just make him a wolf lol (imagine knowing and applying consistent principles for catching wolves). Kinda tempted to move my vote there, but. Fwiw, if ATPG flips mafia, I would strongly consider clearing Ender and Amy, even though ATPG said he was more than happy to leave distancing spew. And if one of Ender/Amy flips mafia, probably give ATPG some time and see if he dies for it (because by his own admission, he should).
Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.
good post :thumbsup:
i have a bad feeling about visor posting around here tho :sad2:
him wolfreading cape cause of formatting when he has def played with cape before is :huh2:
damn i love the emojis here
Initial focused read of Boquise: Not in my immediate PoE after all, I think they're probably town. Whatever you're seeing Visor and whatever Spooge saw, I'm not seeing it. The only thing that's maybe a little iffy to me was the vote on Ampharos, how it was so much more explainy than their iso as a whole, but like, the actual content is I think supportable. I can tinfoil it as a protection of Ender-buddy but then I have to assume the criticism of Ender for not doing a proper reaction check is distancing, while himself actually doing a proper reaction check with his own vote on Kage, and blah. Convince me more, I'll leave the iso up.
Hollowkatt has so far voted ATGP, luv2spooge, dyachei and Visor, but i have not seen any attempt of case or building pressure against any of them.
Danke. Worth a look.
To put my cards on the table, my YOLO during the first 12 hours or so was Amp-Logic-Ender-Visor plus one secret sauce. Has that concept turned out to be the basic shape of the day somehow?
Montmorency why was that your guess? any particular reason?
alrighty i am done with d1
i think ender is a wolf:
1) his interactions with pizza are a perfect example of how wolves approach a villager they don't want to get a fight into with If you read their interactions, ender is always subtly hinting at pizza that he wants the discussion to be over, despite not really conceding the point
2) i was with him on the logic wolfread to start but then when logic came back and he posted a lot better he just kept going to bury him. it doesnt feel like he is sorting him out he just wanted to kill him iyam. framing his play as "logic wouldnt give himself up like this as a villager" (or something along those lines) is not genuine nor true considering logic was making posts like this:
I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA
Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.
There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.
Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.
Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)
Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.
TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.
Vote: Visor
3) bunch of thoughts that are made to look villagery but actual villagers don't actually have (e.g. the reaction test on the monty vote, the "lets wait 20 hours" obvious wolf) and are made to look performative
if ender is indeed a wolf i think amy has to die 100% and is probably a wolf for this post and eod in general:
meh i think im gonna stay on logic
my reasons to wolfread him initially were a lot more well-founded than my reasons to walk it back and i want to believe it's just a classic case of "gut doubts a wolfread after said wolfread posts more, regardless of what the posts actually say"
i did think the whole "i think d1 misses are good actually" was a strange line for a wolf to take but i guess it's not really villagery either
they were switching to a logic villa read but once ender became a wagon they had this forced turn aroudn back to voting logic
imo they should have had more doubts on logic being a wolf
same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?
tho idk if visor/amy works together (maybe it does!) and i think amy post above was way worse
and even individually i think amy is wolfy, visor is kinda w/e
my strongest villa reads are cape/vulgard
then pizza/taffy (idk if i mentioned them but i really liked a string of posts they had on..some page. it was v genuine imo)
then i villa lean a bunch of people but i could easily be wrong on them -csargo/monty/dya/boq/HK
i gotta go, will try to read up on d2 tomorrow
oh and luvspooge was probably mac
for postgame credit
Idk maybe I should just sheep y'all and kill Ender/Amy.
I'm currently on Ender.
oh and luvspooge was probably mac
for postgame credit
agreed
was isoing them earlier and saw something that reminded me of them
Idk maybe I should just sheep y'all and kill Ender/Amy.
I'm currently on Ender.
i am ok with this
This is going to be such a pain to format.
Somewhere prior to post 300, Ender made what I took as a pocketing joke toward Vulgard and Vulgard responded with what read to me as joining in on the same joke. Pizza took it more seriously and asked how Vulgard was reading Ender. Vulgard replied town. Pizza does this:
Lean wolf
12. Vulgard
6. luvs2spooge
5. Ampharos
9. EnderWiggin
zipping Vulgard to the top of scum leans and asked this:
Then why are you suggesting he is pocketing you?
My mental thought on this was along the lines of "Oh bullshit, Pizza, that was obviously a joke". But Vulgard then answered this:
It was more of a reaction assessment than a read. I think he could possibly have been trying to pocket me, but I'm not sure. If I actually thought he was a wolf, I would be voting him.
And I still do not believe that it was actually a reaction assessment.
dyachei Can you comment on this please within the context of your Vulgard town lean. I agree with you that I misread that one post of Vulgard's, but it feels like you're sticking to the AtE aspect of Vulgard's posts and skipping over other things that I see, such as this.
There is also this post of Pizza's
Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.
I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.
Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.
I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.
Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.
I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.
to which Vulgard responded that it was towny. Which I also struggle to see as a real read.
And as long as I'm here:
Hm hm hm.
I like Vulgard's posts. But not entirely sure how much of that is because it feels like they're seeing what I see.
(This was about Logic.) The more I look at this the more it pains me.
By the way this is Vulgard's actual comment that he said later was a reaction assessment.
Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.
I can't see this as a reaction assessment, I just can't. I can be be persuaded by AtE, I can believe I'm probably wrong about everything else, but I'm stuck on this.
(Ender's pockety comment that this was in response to was "I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P")
Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.
My mental thought on this was along the lines of "Oh bullshit, Pizza, that was obviously a joke". But Vulgard then answered this:
And I still do not believe that it was actually a reaction assessment.
Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.
I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.
This is going to be such a pain to format.
Somewhere prior to post 300, Ender made what I took as a pocketing joke toward Vulgard and Vulgard responded with what read to me as joining in on the same joke. Pizza took it more seriously and asked how Vulgard was reading Ender. Vulgard replied town. Pizza does this:
zipping Vulgard to the top of scum leans and asked this:
My mental thought on this was along the lines of "Oh bullshit, Pizza, that was obviously a joke". But Vulgard then answered this:
And I still do not believe that it was actually a reaction assessment.
dyachei Can you comment on this please within the context of your Vulgard town lean. I agree with you that I misread that one post of Vulgard's, but it feels like you're sticking to the AtE aspect of Vulgard's posts and skipping over other things that I see, such as this.
There is also this post of Pizza's
to which Vulgard responded that it was towny. Which I also struggle to see as a real read.
And as long as I'm here:
(This was about Logic.) The more I look at this the more it pains me.
the thing about vulgard is that he's kind of an awkward player. so this doesn't feel out of the realm of the awkwardness I've seen from him in other games. i do see your point and I'm thinking about it. Idk that it makes me think vulgard is a wolf, but I'm not reading him as villager as much
Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.
Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.
I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.
So why did you respond to Ender in that way?
i dont like vulgard's explanation rn
So why did you respond to Ender in that way?
I felt like it. There was no actual reason. I also thought it would be mildly funny for him.
i dont like vulgard's explanation rn
Yeah, expected.
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I felt like it. There was no actual reason. I also thought it would be mildly funny for him.
Which is what I thought it was originally?
So what we're basically left with is, "I was slightly agitated by Pizza's questioning and thought that making up something about a reaction assessment would get him off my back, so I lied about my actually innocent and lighthearted response."
Okay.
Moving on.
Which is what I thought it was originally?
So what we're basically left with is, "I was slightly agitated by Pizza's questioning and thought that making up something about a reaction assessment would get him off my back, so I lied about my actually innocent and lighthearted response."
Okay.
Moving on.
Yeah, I know it sounds ridiculous when you put it like that.
there are a few issues i have with boqs posts, but one of the quick ones:
his kage vote seemed bad and he only elaborated on it when i mentioned my interpretation of what his vote looked likes (ages after he actually voted)
he never seemed like he particularly cared about kaeg (or anyone) going over and rather than someone off doing their own thing he felt like he was just posting stuff to keep afloat in thread and not draw much attention to himself
eg i dont remember him trying to actually convince anyone seriously of his susp or try to work with anyone to truly solve anything
(and i dont care about postcount, its a casual game - i just care about the methodology he used)
i will say: i am not sold on boq being a wolf or even kage being v, a few of kages posts have made me question my read there - but my initial feeling was that boqs push on kage was pretty weak - i expected a little more to it
any of yall got thougts on tafffy?
any of yall got thougts on tafffy?
My top town. Though I'm wondering if it was for bad reasons, but I thought she had a string of really good posts on the page where I townread her.
any of yall got thougts on tafffy?
gut says v
My top town. Though I'm wondering if it was for bad reasons, but I thought she had a string of really good posts on the page where I townread her.
can you quote them
im currently freezing to death in the siberian wastes and the thought of wading through posts seems forlorn rn
can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'
thx
(for my own personal curiosity)
can you quote them
im currently freezing to death in the siberian wastes and the thought of wading through posts seems forlorn rn
I was going to quote my take on her, but then I realized I just said "Taffy is my top town" in two separate posts on page 34 and left it at that, which doesn't seem exactly helpful.
It was also just one post.
I swear I remember my own reads.
A loosely ordered reads list since I didn't get around to it yesterday. It's also late and I will not read posts until tomorrow morning.
People I would prefer not to reconsider until LyLo:
Boquise: you voted Kagemusha shortly after I got pinged (see below), and I don't believe a wolf would have started a wagon with so little chance of success at a time when that could not but draw a lot of unwanted attention (as it did). My impression of you as a wolf is more one of slyly steering people than of making fancy twtbaw plays, correct me if wrong.
Vulgard: your early game gave me the impression that you were uncomfortable in the thread (which is probably where all those scumreads come from), and I believe that you'd be happier and more confident if you had randed wolf. If we both live till LyLo I'll put in some work to look at former wolf games of yours to see if faking this is something you like to do.
Cape: you made that post saying that you sometimes as a wolf like to up your obliviousness to jokes and if that was a lampshade of what you were actually doing at SoD then mad props to you but for now you look very towny to me.
People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on:
Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.
Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.
Spooge: I've liked most of your posts, I'm interested in having you explain why you think HK is so obviously town because as you can see we disagree there.
Ladd: I thought your post with the quotes from Logic was awful until someone called it a joke. I'm pretty sure you haven't done anything that would let me read you yet.
Asks: I have made zero effort to guess your alignment, you count as my null on this list. The fact that half of the players ended above and half below is a coincidence I find particularly funny.
Renata: missing most of D1 and then obviously not being able to contribute much could be a way for a wolf to get past D1 and out of having to fool Asks I guess, but really you're just null atp.
Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little.
Kagemusha: p286 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836833&viewfull=1#post2053836833) pinged me as potentially a wolf who had been happy to have found something to push Monty for and then had that taken away from them. This is little more than a fleeting impression. Other than that you haven't done much, so if I were looking for a wolf trying to fly under the radar you're a top candidate.
Ampharos: you're mainly here because you were one of the counterwagons and therefore of interest. I'm not finding you stilted, but I've no idea what you are like in other games, so... would you agree that in general you enjoy wolfing much more than towning?
The people I'm most interested in today:
Hollowkatt: I realise that it was unfair of me to say you disappeared. I still think your interactions with other people SoD looked more wolfy than towny, your wagon never went anywhere, and you're someone others have expressed reads on, so you're a person of interest.
Ender: you were the main counterwagon and also I've realised that that gradual way you developed that townread on me is exactly the right way to pocket me and you would know that. The main reason you're above Visor is that I've never been in a game where you're tryharding before and it's rather fun to see.
Visor: I've made enough posts yesterday that you shouldn't have completely forgotten that I'm in the game. To me that looks like a wolf trying to project an air of detachment, hoping that people will reason "oh he'd put more effort in if he were a wolf".
there are a few issues i have with boqs posts, but one of the quick ones:
his kage vote seemed bad and he only elaborated on it when i mentioned my interpretation of what his vote looked likes (ages after he actually voted)
he never seemed like he particularly cared about kaeg (or anyone) going over and rather than someone off doing their own thing he felt like he was just posting stuff to keep afloat in thread and not draw much attention to himself
eg i dont remember him trying to actually convince anyone seriously of his susp or try to work with anyone to truly solve anything
(and i dont care about postcount, its a casual game - i just care about the methodology he used)
He caught this:
then why did you earlier state that at least 2 wolves were in us inactives?
An inconsistency in Pizza's claimed worldview. Which to me says he's not just trying to appear engaged with the thread, he actually is engaged with it. I'll grant that that is the only such question I could find.
can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'
thx
(for my own personal curiosity)
Your avatar has no visor.
can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'
thx
(for my own personal curiosity)
That's pretty much it. A non-solving Visor goes straight in the PoE on principle. I could chuck in Logic's dying advice and potential pairing with Ampharos or Ender, but I have not read you properly otherwise.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 20:59
Ladd: "Cape is towny because this thought is too convoluted for a wolf to have."
Also Ladd: "Ender is wolfy because this thought is too convoluted for a town to have."
Pick one.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 21:00
Also Vul's reason for flopping on me stinks.
Once again:
I clearly have a POE of 4 in my first reads post.
How am I being frame as not having wolf reads.
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 21:02
Also literally no one has even given a glance at my explanation on Boq or thoughts on it, even to tell me I'm wrong, and it's disheartening tbqh
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 21:03
I exist in this thread to be wolfread because ? Reasons and not engaged with and if that's the case Pizza might as well blow me up now because I'll be doing more of a job fixing threadstate in the grave.
Your avatar has no visor.
also logic said he was a wolf
EnderWiggin
12-08-2022, 21:06
I gotta get up and go to work. I'll be around probably in 5 or 6osh hours but wanted to join thread before 24 hours in.
If I die my legacy poe is Pizza(unless his role clears him), Vul/HK(one of them probably pocketed me), Visor, Boq
Then one of the Nulls (kage/Dya/Ladd)
I really want to wolfread Ladd but that's 90% because I feel his treatment of my slot was shite with his "reread"
Raskolnikov
12-08-2022, 21:06
Ender (3): Renata, Vulgard, Ladd
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): Pizza
HK (1): Kagemusha
Ampharos
12-08-2022, 21:23
hello yes sorry i'm alive
blame persona 5 royal
i have like 10 pages of reading to do but i intend to be something resembling around today
Just pointing out that there were less than five posts between Ender's first comment here (explaining his "not a great post" shade on me a couple comments previously) and the second, in which I seem to be an uncomplicated town read.
Limited town reads, wide scumpool.
Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.
I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.
Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.
Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.
Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.
Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.
HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.
This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.
My bigger issue with this reads list, since Ender keeps questioning my and others' characterization of it, is that the wolf reads are prioritized so low and so weakly. Obviously they exist; they just don't feel real. "Disconnected", like I said. This post goes from arguably the least "to the bone" stuff for a wolf to talk about (a mason claim, WIFOM) and ends with the most difficult (reading villagers or teammates as scum). And even then it doesn't quite do it, they're just something to look into.
I haven't seen a ton of engagement from Ender with his suspects' posts either, aside from Boquise. Will need to double check this to see if it's strictly true, but on basic impression, I'm seeing someone who's really struggling to come up with scum reads. As someone who tends to almost have more scumreads than there are player in the game at most time, that does not compute.
To be clear, I'm not saying he needs to review all his suspects in whatever limited time he has today; I'm talking about showing little interest in Hollowkatt or Monty at all since the start of the game that would explain putting them in a small PoE ahead of anybody else. I could be wrong about that. This game is really hard to review properly.
Your avatar has no visor.
Acceptable
It's been 12 years, time for a change
also logic said he was a wolf
Why does that matter lmao
He caught this:
An inconsistency in Pizza's claimed worldview. Which to me says he's not just trying to appear engaged with the thread, he actually is engaged with it. I'll grant that that is the only such question I could find.
I don't get it, that question is kinda meaningless
Boquise: which post?
It was basically something born out of these three posts (with the last one being the breaking point):
Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?
I hope you brought your rope and pitchfork with you. Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out. But let us talk first and start hanging in a bit: Vote: Renata How has the world treated you all these years we have not played mafia together?
I dont have anything to point my finger into yet. Hope more people would chip in and talk.
There is a lot of talk about "lets talk" "lets get this started" etc. but at the point Kagemusha wrote the third quoted post here, I believe that there should be something to say. People had chipped in.
But I also voted because I wanted to see how it would affect the thread. Logic was the "obvi wolf" and not screaming for his death with a pitchfork would render scum reads (which they did on me). So an off-shoot vote would probably render some villagery or wolfy responses. I also thought that Kage was lhf so if he is town, perhaps I would be joined in with scum. This didnt happen. Only csargo voted him (naked voted) which was a bit sus, but nothing else really happened. And when Visor wrote how long it was since he played with Kage... I reckoned it was ultimately nai - because at sites like these (small, tight, people know each other) there is an honour in not voting out an old veteran on D1 tbh.
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Hi btw!
Sorry for my absence. Today has been busy smh
Luckily it is Friday tomorrow and tho I will also work a bit, I will have more time to dedicate to the game.
I don't get it, that question is kinda meaningless
It means he's not only drifting along with thread topics, like you said or characterized earlier; he's also doing this. It felt like a moment of towny curiosity the first time I read it.
Tbh Boquise could just be good at reading me. Last time we played together he found me early as well when I was generally a wolfread.
i am just awesome tbh
in the last two town games I have played (the mafia tournament one and a syndicate one) I was voting wolves correctly and town reading people correctly tbh. My powers are enigmatic for the mind tbh
Why does that matter lmao
was kind of a joke but I realized Idk how well logic reads you
Initial focused read of Boquise: Not in my immediate PoE after all, I think they're probably town. Whatever you're seeing Visor and whatever Spooge saw, I'm not seeing it. The only thing that's maybe a little iffy to me was the vote on Ampharos, how it was so much more explainy than their iso as a whole, but like, the actual content is I think supportable. I can tinfoil it as a protection of Ender-buddy but then I have to assume the criticism of Ender for not doing a proper reaction check is distancing, while himself actually doing a proper reaction check with his own vote on Kage, and blah. Convince me more, I'll leave the iso up.
lol is Visor actually scum reading me tbh
lol is Visor actually scum reading me tbh
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpressiveMassiveHoneyeater-size_restricted.gif
It means he's not only drifting along with thread topics, like you said or characterized earlier; he's also doing this. It felt like a moment of towny curiosity the first time I read it.
Idk man boq ain't a potato
He can post generic solving stuff as a wolf
alrighty i am done with d1
i think ender is a wolf:
1) his interactions with pizza are a perfect example of how wolves approach a villager they don't want to get a fight into with If you read their interactions, ender is always subtly hinting at pizza that he wants the discussion to be over, despite not really conceding the point
2) i was with him on the logic wolfread to start but then when logic came back and he posted a lot better he just kept going to bury him. it doesnt feel like he is sorting him out he just wanted to kill him iyam. framing his play as "logic wouldnt give himself up like this as a villager" (or something along those lines) is not genuine nor true considering logic was making posts like this:
3) bunch of thoughts that are made to look villagery but actual villagers don't actually have (e.g. the reaction test on the monty vote, the "lets wait 20 hours" obvious wolf) and are made to look performative
if ender is indeed a wolf i think amy has to die 100% and is probably a wolf for this post and eod in general:
they were switching to a logic villa read but once ender became a wagon they had this forced turn aroudn back to voting logic
imo they should have had more doubts on logic being a wolf
same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?
tho idk if visor/amy works together (maybe it does!) and i think amy post above was way worse
and even individually i think amy is wolfy, visor is kinda w/e
my strongest villa reads are cape/vulgard
then pizza/taffy (idk if i mentioned them but i really liked a string of posts they had on..some page. it was v genuine imo)
then i villa lean a bunch of people but i could easily be wrong on them -csargo/monty/dya/boq/HK
i gotta go, will try to read up on d2 tomorrow
i am going to town read ladd now tbh
which means sheeping
vote ender
also, if amy is a wolf it means i was awesome yesterday tbh
Idk man boq ain't a potato
He can post generic solving stuff as a wolf
my energy levels are quite low tbh
tho if you are scum reading me for being a potato, you are probably town tbh
agreed
was isoing them earlier and saw something that reminded me of them
that would explain his lol tbh
I just want to say in general calling me not solving is a little silly, I have solved plenty
same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?
I turned around on logic!
Looking forward to this pizza stuff whenever it shows up
i dont like vulgard's explanation rn
this explanation? dyachei
Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.
Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.
I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.
I just want to say in general calling me not solving is a little silly, I have solved plenty
I turned around on logic!
who said this to you visor?
i will assault them with a boomerang tbh
hollowkatt
12-08-2022, 22:08
Taffy is my top town.
Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.
I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.
ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.
Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.
Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.
Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.
Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.
I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.
I think Montmorency is a wolf.
Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.
I don't think any wolf team takes a shot at pizza last night because nobody knows if a doctor exists. doctor, if you exist, shut the fuck up no you don't
anyways, back to my train of thought. If you're a wolf the best play last night is assume there is some kind of protect and assume that protection is on pizza, then go from there. Tonight I expect pizza to die, so does pizza
also your comment on logic being pretty townie when he had a burst of posts on d1 was a reason why i kept biting on "i am misreading logic he is probably town" so yeh
who said this to you visor?
i will assault them with a boomerang tbh
Everyone tbh lmao
Get em boq
To be clear, I'm not saying he needs to review all his suspects in whatever limited time he has today; I'm talking about showing little interest in Hollowkatt or Monty at all since the start of the game that would explain putting them in a small PoE ahead of anybody else. I could be wrong about that. This game is really hard to review properly.
Actually I'm being dumb here. I shouldn't be the one reviewing this. EnderWiggin Can you show me whatever progression you have on either Hollowkatt or Monty from day one (or today) that shows there's something more to you putting them in the PoE than simply being out of options?
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