Casual december game

[Raskolnikov]

Hello friendos

Gauging interest for another org game this year, prolly early December or something.

Would like something casual (my goal isn't to die tallying) so max 15 players I guess.

Set up to be discussed.

Players:

1. Visor
2. Csargo
3. Hollowkatt
4. Montmorency
5. Ampharos (Amy)
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
8. ATPG
9. EnderWiggin
10. Cape90
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
14. Logic
15. Renata!!!!!
16. Totally not Taffy
17. Kagemusha

Subs:
1. Chleb, katze (scary tbh tbh)

Spec: Sabi, Winston, Benneh

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Current Game Status:

Alive: (4/17)
Players:


2. Csargo
3. Hollowkatt
4. Montmorency
9. EnderWiggin



Dead: (13/17)

1. Visor
5. Ampharos
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
8. Askthepizzaguy
10. Cape90
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
14. Logic
15. Renata
16. Totally not Taffy
17. Kagemusha

Updates:

> SOD1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836637&viewfull=1#post2053836637)
> EOD1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837456&viewfull=1#post2053837456)
> Pizza died! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838152&viewfull=1#post2053838152)
> EOD2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838693&viewfull=1#post2053838693)
> SOD3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838718&viewfull=1#post2053838718)
> Ladd died! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838796&viewfull=1#post2053838796)
> EOD3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839088&viewfull=1#post2053839088)
> SOD4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839111&viewfull=1#post2053839111)
> EOD4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839431&viewfull=1#post2053839431)
> SOD5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839435&viewfull=1#post2053839435)
> EOD5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839584&viewfull=1#post2053839584)
> SOD6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839611&viewfull=1#post2053839611)
> EOD6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053839726&viewfull=1#post2053839726)

Cheers,
Raskol

[Visor]

prob gonna be p busy but should be able to make it work if you dont expect much

/in for now

[Csargo]

Sure :pop2:

probably low activity tho

[Raskolnikov]

Cool guys! any idea about the set up? iirc there was some discussion about a modified Zack's poisoner in the last game.

Montmorency El Barto Sunbae katze

[Raskolnikov]

EnderWiggin Hally dyachei Ephemeral Dobby

edit: if I haven't pinged you here, check your DMs on discord. Otherwise, just sign up nerd.

[hollowkatt]

confirming my in

[nebjiamn]

in for casual

[Montmorency]

Probably.

[Hally]

maybe idk

[luvs2spooge]

i lova 2 maphier plz let me play ur sexy game

[Raskolnikov]

i lova 2 maphier plz let me play ur sexy game

Sweet, sweet, a newcomer! You are in to die D1. congrats buddy

[luvs2spooge]

do you people like 2 play the mafia or the werewolf?

[dyachei]

im in

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the shame and stink of chess mafia has finally washed off of me.

I could be in, depends on if it fills and runs!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note, if it does fill, and I go back to work

My activity will actually be in the you have never seen me be this inactive before levels.

As in I check in and vote and give raisins and actually go away within an hour.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ping me on discord or PM me here to gain my attention I don't check my old stomping grounds very often!

[Raskolnikov]

Ping me on discord or PM me here to gain my attention I don't check my old stomping grounds very often!

Sure, don't worry. I'll ping everyone closer to the actual start of the game. Also to select a set up (I can do a quicky too. I have appointed the bronana as reviewer if need be)

[Montmorency]

I think the shame and stink of chess mafia has finally washed off of me.

I could be in, depends on if it fills and runs!

You already punished me mercilessly in the other princely game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You already punished me mercilessly in the other princely game.

Not just you, Monty. Lots of wolves.

I feel better about it now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still the most painful villager loss. Lots of lessons learned from it tho.

Stuff I avoided repeating, and making sure to check my towncores over and over.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger.

[EnderWiggin]

:peek:

/in

[EnderWiggin]

Hey Raskol, if you could throw me a ping on Disc when this starts that'd be appreciated <3

I don't check this forum often enough

[Askthepizzaguy]

If people actually start playing here I would be open to hosting duty when I cannot play.

[Cape90]

/in

[ladd]

in.

[ladd]

Plz remind me on discord or on MU close to start tho

Thanks

[Vulgard]

Early December works fine. Would like to be reminded as well but I'll probably remember on my own.

[Vulgard]

Oh yeah, any setup's fine but mountainous, I've had enough of mountainous lately lol.

[Totally not Taffy]

Spec please ❤️

And since nobody else is making suggestions, may I advocate for this setup (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695-Borderlands-Mafia-Game-thread)? It is simple and elegant, yet adds an extra layer of tactics to the game, and I know some of the players here are already familiar with it.

[Chleb]

can sub after the 15th

[Visor]

boquise says hes in and early dec works for him

[Boquise]

i am in tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Early December works fine. Would like to be reminded as well but I'll probably remember on my own.

I took this as an in Vulgard.

One spot left. I'll take subs before the actual start of the game.

[Raskolnikov]

Spec please ❤️

And since nobody else is making suggestions, may I advocate for this setup (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695-Borderlands-Mafia-Game-thread)? It is simple and elegant, yet adds an extra layer of tactics to the game, and I know some of the players here are already familiar with it.

I am game. I played (poorly) the second opus, fun set up. Ill run some numbers by next week to check if the balance is OK (but I guess Logic did it anyway)

[Totally not Taffy]

I am game. I played (poorly) the second opus, fun set up. Ill run some numbers by next week to check if the balance is OK (but I guess Logic did it anyway)

:couch: In that case, I suggest you check if Logic wants to come fill that last spot, I think I remember him saying he'd like his hand at playing it.

[Raskolnikov]

:couch: In that case, I suggest you check if Logic wants to come fill that last spot, I think I remember him saying he'd like his hand at playing it.

I pinged him on discord. :bow:

[Logic]

In!

[Visor]

if i could pick a setup id like something closed and a little funky

if possible

im a bit tired of random open setups

[katze]

15p closed 12v3 vanilla setup is a go imo

put me on the spec list or a low prio backup or something (if u think 1 isnt enough or just want to scare boquise)

[Renata]

Visor sent me. *facepalm*

Pencil me in as a maybe for main list, sub or whatever. I'm going to have to see how I feel about playing again so soon after the game I'm in right now finishes. Just expressing potential interest.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My interest in this org revival game is maximum.



https://i.imgur.com/mAmOq8M.gif

[Logic]

(pretend this is a relevant meme regarding my hype level)

[Montmorency]

Capacitating savoir faire reservoirs.

https://i.imgur.com/E0S5SIx.gif

[Raskolnikov]

Visor sent me. *facepalm*

Pencil me in as a maybe for main list, sub or whatever. I'm going to have to see how I feel about playing again so soon after the game I'm in right now finishes. Just expressing potential interest.

You are in, boss. So glad to see you ;) small dedicace in the sign up list, just for you :p

katze Chleb Totally not Taffy. This is going to be a 17er, first to speak , first served (one spot left iirc).

I am planning to start on the 4th of December. Does that work for everybody? SOD/EOD should be 7PM EST. (48/24 game)

Regarding the set up, Visor seemed a bit grumpy about Logic's one and it is a 15er anyway. So I may do something on my own, unless unless (speak up, fight, nerds).



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[Askthepizzaguy]

Copless! Copless!! Copless!!! Copless!!!! Copless!!!!!

Give town like, a roleblocker and a doctor masonry and tell them to figure it out.

Fight against 4 wolves with just that. Get em!

[Askthepizzaguy]

You make it four wolves so there's a chance town loses. Otherwise I don't think so, scooter. Not with this lineup.

You're giving us roles so the people that want roles can be like

Can I has roel

And you go fine, here, do something with that

Make the NK roleblockable and doctorable. That is all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NO POWERS FOR THE WOOFS!!!

YOU GET NOTHING!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U)

YOU LOST THE RAND!!!

GOOD DAY, FURS!

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know I was just riffing, but that setup sounds kinda awesome.

[Raskolnikov]

Copless! Copless!! Copless!!! Copless!!!! Copless!!!!!

Give town like, a roleblocker and a doctor masonry and tell them to figure it out.

Fight against 4 wolves with just that. Get em!

Hmm last time I did something close you butchered 6 wolves. I am prolly stacking the pack with 4 pizza killing powers tbh. Inb4 you rand woof :hide:

[katze]

katze Chleb Totally not Taffy. This is going to be a 17er, first to speak , first served (one spot left iirc).

nah, ty for offering tho (doubt chloe is interested either but ill link her this and if she doesnt reply in the next day assume shes not interested)

should be no issue finding a 17th in this list tho glgl

might link it to a few cool peeps in a few days if i remember to check and its not filled by then ��

[Totally not Taffy]

Ok if Katze isn't interested, sign me up :daisy:

[ladd]

if i could pick a setup id like something closed and a little funky

if possible

im a bit tired of random open setups

I'd also prefer this but fine with anything

4 dec is ok but ill be v v busy until 11th dec so expect even more slank than usual

[El Barto]

Please don't send me invitations to games with people such as Hollowkatt or Timsup2nothin, among others.

[Visor]

Go nuts with the setup rask Yolo

Time works for me see y'all then

[Kagemusha]

Ok. ​In.

[Visor]

Sup Kage nice to see you

Looks like you gotta run an 18er raskol, thems the rules

[Raskolnikov]

Taffy and Kagemusha are in. Sign up closed. tyvm everyone.

[nebjiamn]

i have to out unfortunately

even as a casual event i won't be able to put the time in with other things happening in life atm

[Raskolnikov]

i have to out unfortunately

even as a casual event i won't be able to put the time in with other things happening in life atm

Tx for letting us know Benneh.

*removes a jester from the set up*

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok I am ready to lose the rand.

Hit me with an actual random rand though, I do want a chance of being town. I am on a sick hot streak of that.

Daddy wants a new pair of pelts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza upon wolf rand: Frantically goes and looks up previous games just to try to look identical to myself. Tries to remember what it is like to be a villager. Notes that everyone knows I bus and that they condemn me to die anywhere near LYLO. Also this lineup. *hyperventilation*

Pizza upon town rand: Time to kill 3 out of 4 wolves and then still somehow lose, as is culturally mandated. I shall sip tea and relax like a shining golden god.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not going to have a towncore this game. That solves the 4th wolf in my towncore problem.

You're all various degrees of scummy. Haters gonna hate.

That's not true if you're mech clear I will put you above null.

I will have a towncore I just will keep it to myself and not tell any of you people about it. How's that for an adjustment?

Look, I gotta do something, tired of being competent and also getting Ls.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. ​In.

Sexy Kagemusha.

[Totally not Taffy]

Look, I gotta do something, tired of being competent and also getting Ls.

It's ok just rand with me and keep me alive. I have a 100% winrate for regular games where I'm alive D2, despite being decidedly incompetent most of the time. And if we lose you can say you were part of breaking that streak, which is perhaps even more satisfying!



...now as soon as Ender is done laughing and picks himself up off the floor he can tell you the numbers behind that percentage :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's ok just rand with me and keep me alive. I have a 100% winrate for regular games where I'm alive D2, despite being decidedly incompetent most of the time. And if we lose you can say you were part of breaking that streak, which is perhaps even more satisfying!



...now as soon as Ender is done laughing and picks himself up off the floor he can tell you the numbers behind that percentage :laugh4:

New bug, who dis

[Totally not Taffy]

New bug, who dis

I'm pretty sure we've never played together, I'm from giantitp but I only started after the Popo game.

[Montmorency]

Pizza upon wolf rand: Frantically goes and looks up previous games just to try to look identical to myself. Tries to remember what it is like to be a villager. Notes that everyone knows I bus and that they condemn me to die anywhere near LYLO. Also this lineup. *hyperventilation*

Pizza upon town rand: Time to kill 3 out of 4 wolves and then still somehow lose, as is culturally mandated. I shall sip tea and relax like a shining golden god.

When is the last time you were ousted in LYLO as any alignment? 2013?

[Raskolnikov]

Ok I am ready to lose the rand.

Hit me with an actual random rand though, I do want a chance of being town. I am on a sick hot streak of that.

Daddy wants a new pair of pelts.

Dude. There is nothing but random.org. and a good beer.

[Zack]

You are in, boss. So glad to see you ;) small dedicace in the sign up list, just for you :p

katze Chleb Totally not Taffy. This is going to be a 17er, first to speak , first served (one spot left iirc).

I am planning to start on the 4th of December. Does that work for everybody? SOD/EOD should be 7PM EST. (48/24 game)

Regarding the set up, Visor seemed a bit grumpy about Logic's one and it is a 15er anyway. So I may do something on my own, unless unless (speak up, fight, nerds).



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can use the 17er version of my poisoner setup if u want

1x Mafia 2-Shot Poisoner
1x Mafia Backup Poisoner
2x Mafia Goons

1x Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
1x Town N1 + N3 Vigilante
1x Town N2 Vigilante
10 Vanilla Town


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[Visor]

Make it closed and have weird mechs like the games of yore

ETA: pls

[Visor]

Omg it didn't say I posted from a mobile device

I'm free! 10 years! (I'm still posting on a mobile device)

[Vulgard]

let's goooooooooo

praying i don't make bad life choices and stay up for the eods

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm pretty sure we've never played together, I'm from giantitp but I only started after the Popo game.

You know me from seeing me from afar.

And I was memorable enough to remember. Awwww

You're making me flushed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When is the last time you were ousted in LYLO as any alignment? 2013?

I almost just was last game, but it technically happened to someone else. Negligible difference because I had to vote to defend myself and a townie voted me, so its the same. I was otherwise 95 percent sure the wolf was a wolf and 5 percent worried the townie was a wolf. I usually nail LYLOs as town.

Before that, I dont know. I usually do not lose at LYLO unless I am a wolf, and as a wolf, I avoid there ever being a situation where I am the final wolf at LYLO, unless town is just that good.

In which case I be gooder and then I win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Make it closed and have weird mechs like the games of yore

ETA: pls

+1 because he said YORE.

[Askthepizzaguy]

let's goooooooooo

praying i don't make bad life choices and stay up for the eods

Palpatine: Do It.

Me: Don't do it. Take care of yourself. Only one of us has your best interests at heart.

Mathematician: Or neither of us. That is also a mathematical possibility remaining, technically.

[Montmorency]

I almost just was last game, but it technically happened to someone else. Negligible difference because I had to vote to defend myself and a townie voted me, so its the same. I was otherwise 95 percent sure the wolf was a wolf and 5 percent worried the townie was a wolf. I usually nail LYLOs as town.

Before that, I dont know. I usually do not lose at LYLO unless I am a wolf, and as a wolf, I avoid there ever being a situation where I am the final wolf at LYLO, unless town is just that good.

In which case I be gooder and then I win.

So in other words, there can be no expectation that you will be condemned by FEAR to die at LYLO. This is Mafier, not horseshoes and hand grenades, so 'almost under threat' doesn't count.

It's fine so long as we rand together. :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am gonna reserve a day for myself to be yeeted if I do not find a wolf or be NKed.

And if I find a wolf and am not NKed then I kill another wolf and insist on NK.

If they let me gobble up their team I will, but I'll eat a NK instead, up to them.

If I wolf then I die and you find my buddies, simple.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is all part of that ++++EV for me when I rand town, and better not rand wolf strat I got going.

I will still play to my wincon but I'd rather kick ass in 9 games as town than add yet another wolf win to my gigantic pile.

wolf wins dont interest me except as a task I complete to stay in form. Town wins are all that I care about now.

[Raskolnikov]

So much pressure on random.org :sweatdrop:

[Totally not Taffy]

This is all part of that ++++EV for me when I rand town, and better not rand wolf strat I got going.

I will still play to my wincon but I'd rather kick ass in 9 games as town than add yet another wolf win to my gigantic pile.

wolf wins dont interest me except as a task I complete to stay in form. Town wins are all that I care about now.


What about neutral rands? If you're SK, will you try to kill the entire wolf team on your own or would you help them?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What about neutral rands? If you're SK, will you try to kill the entire wolf team on your own or would you help them?

I am probably the single most pro town neutral that has ever existed.

As SK, neutral, third party, cult, one of the 2 mafia factions, you name it, I almost always team up with town against our common threat. Either openly or in secret when I can't reveal myself.

I couldn't give a rat's booty about like a survival wincondition. I want to kill a wolf and die gloriously.

Serial killers can do that but act like vigs.

I've even as neutral with killing power traded that power to town for protection and annihilated anti town cults and mafia families in big games.

I'm also good at it. I am as careful about not killing townies then as I am as town.

In fact, I'm more careful, because as town I can make more heroic shots, as neutral SK third party etc, my survival depends on town's trust.

There's already an alignment based reason not to trust me. I wouldn't damage relations further by hitting their consensus townies. I will hit their POE, and I will be very careful about interrogating the POE person first because I don't want to miss.

My wins as compatible win condition rely on wiping out the mafia. Incompatible? Just means I do the same thing but then try and outlast the town against our mutual enemy.

Our mutual enemy usually shoots them, and if they shoot me, it ends all my cares and worries.

Alliance always lasts until our mutual enemy is defeated, at least on my part. Town is usually not so unified or trustworthy or trusting, but you know what? I'd rather gamble with them than side with a team that cannot openly work with me, because they also have to hide.

And they have a nightkill and will kill me the moment it is convenient for them. I only have the one hit point as SK, so theyre the most dangerous.

I work with town until they backstab me and I die, or until the mafia ends my suffering.

But I will go for the glory and find half their team for town anyway. That's how I neutral, that's how I SK.

I am usually town's MVP when I am non town in a multiball.

Nothing adds to town's likelihood of success than a game balanced for a three way war suddenly becoming the soviet union and the allies beating down the fascists together.

No matter what you think of the Soviets at that point, you're glad they're beating our mutual enemy.

Neutral pizza is OP, please nerf.

I do it for fun, for sport, and because in my heart, I am always town unless I am absolutely forced to fight against them with no other options.

I may not be as good a townie as I am a wolf, but damned if I won't try to be.

[Montmorency]

This is all part of that ++++EV for me when I rand town, and better not rand wolf strat I got going.

I will still play to my wincon but I'd rather kick ass in 9 games as town than add yet another wolf win to my gigantic pile.

wolf wins dont interest me except as a task I complete to stay in form. Town wins are all that I care about now.

Same energy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-RhC63QDQ&t=54s


See also:

https://i.imgur.com/1skhw4t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DbvdJU0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aCC2B9B.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T252yuU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ulL0kBt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tul7vxs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZicReya.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HJwEYbt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5R4Toe9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0kainHY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/woj9Ciq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YxlV4ij.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5l66nwO.jpg

[Raskolnikov]

also,


https://youtu.be/hAtQ7S8rOjs

[Kagemusha]

Mafia game in Org feels Mushy in so many good ways. Maybe rename to Kagemushy is in order?

https://youtu.be/eTa1jHk1Lxc

[Raskolnikov]

Game starting in a bit more than 48 hours. I pinged everyone on discord but Kagemusha (I guess I don't need your confirmation, do tell me if anything comes up in the meantime though, also give me your discord if you have. if you don't, would be cool to create an account for out of thread communcation).

Cheers folks

[Askthepizzaguy]

glgl

may you be blessed with a glorious town rand.

if you lose the rand, remember. Morale is the most important thing a wolf team has. Make the correct kills and let town be wrong.

You dont gotta force it. Town decides to let wolves go all the time.

And if they don't let you go and you just die, thats what happens. Its an asymmetrical game. If blindfolded town has more hit points than you and kills you, you can't stop them. They win when theyre right, thats the point.

Youre in a forced checkmate that town hopefully doesnt see. If they see it, you lose, through no fault of your own.

Every wolf game is a loss until town loses instead. Its always a loss until its too late for town to ever win again.

If you're losing a game you cannot forcibly win, youve got nothing to lose. So keep your chin up, it allows miracles to happen.

See- hitman's gambit, a game I won solo as a SK while also being cop checked night zero as guilty by the town cop before I could murder anyone.

If town makes enough mistakes literally anything is possible. Let go of everything you fear to lose.

Fear of loss is a path to the dark side.

[Boquise]

Confirming tbh

[hollowkatt]

firmcones

also why is pizza wolfing the signup thread

[Raskolnikov]

Visor Csargo hollowkatt Montmorency luvs2spooge dyachei Askthepizzaguy EnderWiggin Cape90 ladd Vulgard Boquise Logic Renata Totally not Taffy Kagemusha


Will rand the game tmr 12 am EST. I was to do it now but I am looking for a sub. tx for your patience. Game should start at 7 PM EST as announced though.

:bow:

[Vulgard]

Let's go!

[Kagemusha]

Let the dices fall as they may.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As mentioned elsewhere in a different signup thread and also at the end of the most recent game I towned-

I have been in (besides 1 mash, of 2) in multiple concurrent town games since the end of September, and have gone HAM. Maximum postcapping myself, topposting, 1,147 posting a Day One in one game, being killed n1, n1, n2, n1, n1, n2, n1 etc over and over again every game, trying to find entire wolf teams before day one ends, rushing analysis, yeeting 4 wolves on the first round of play in half of my games, outing a fifth, making a POE that includes most of the wolf team in a single round, and so forth.

In other words, I've never in my life towned harder or more effectively, so early in games. And early game is super difficult for me.

But, I lived to a day 6 doing that as town, someone was particularly nasty to me in a previous game that had ended, and despite going ham on the whole wolf team that game, I was immediately told how bad I was as soon as that game ended. At that point I kinda lost it from the stress of performance anxiety and pushing myself too hard and being told I was playing the game wrong in a guessing game, while being almost entirely correct.

I vowed to be a potato villager from then onward, and just play for fun, and for the social experience.

I'm hype to play here after so long, but I'm gonna sorta keep to that promise, so if you expect me to hyperpost here and solve the whole game day one and even be above average as a villager before d2 starts, like

Don't. You're picking the exact wrong time to expect me to be my usual self.

I am aiming for 50 percent memes and jokes, and 50 percent I dunno, here's my guesses.

That's gonna have to be acceptable from now on because my rubber band broke pretty hard in postgame that game and I dont need the stress or expectation of being megavillager anymore. I proved what I came here to prove in 2022 I dont gotta prove myself any further. Capice?

Unlike other prerand slank warnings, there's a zero percent chance I dont keep to this one. My WIM should go up the longer I live, thats about all I can tells ya.

Good luck good luck.

[Askthepizzaguy]

firmcones

also why is pizza wolfing the signup thread

Better than wolfing during the game! XD

[Boquise]

Is this the game thread?

[Raskolnikov]

Is this the game thread?

Yes. I will make a post starting the game (pinging everybody) at 7 PM EST (a bit more than 3 hours from now). Role PMs and private com with the host (me) will be made on the discord server. Ping me if you have any issue. Good luck!

[Raskolnikov]

Thanks all for signing up. The game starts Now.

Rules:


48/24 phases, at 7pm american eastern. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
You may not talk after death.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
No screenshots, etc.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread unless otherwise specified in your role PM.
You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Raskolnikov. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote. You must use that specific vote format with the colon or the vote WILL NOT count. (this is so i can find the votes easier)
Subs are not allowed.
You may not thank posts before game has ended.
Do not talk at night.
Votes that end in a tie will be decided by random lynch.
No lynch is allowed as is abstain.
Don't edit posts please.
If you miss a day phase I will message you and see whats up. Missing two days is an instant modkill.
Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
Night orders are due 1 hour prior to start of day. (Please use your discord channel.)




Players:
Players:

1. Visor
2. Csargo
3. hollowkatt
4. Montmorency
5. Ampharos
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. EnderWiggin
10. Cape90
11. ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
14. Logic
15. Renata
16. Totally not Taffy
17. Kagemusha

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Game has been randed and you should all have access to your role pms on discord. tell me if there is an issue.

Don't discuss role pms in thread obv, they're all just you randed x congrats anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thanks all for signing up. The game starts Now.

Rules:


48/24 phases, at 7pm american eastern. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
You may not talk after death.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
No screenshots, etc.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread unless otherwise specified in your role PM.
You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Raskolnikov. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote. You must use that specific vote format with the colon or the vote WILL NOT count. (this is so i can find the votes easier)
Subs are not allowed.
You may not thank posts before game has ended.
Do not talk at night.
Votes that end in a tie will be decided by random lynch.
No lynch is allowed as is abstain.
Don't edit posts please.
If you miss a day phase I will message you and see whats up. Missing two days is an instant modkill.
Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
Night orders are due 1 hour prior to start of day. (Please use your discord channel.)




Players:
Players:

1. @Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432)
2. @Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12337)
3. @hollowkatt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102127)
4. @Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
5. @Ampharos (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100738)
6. @luvs2spooge (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102525)
7. @dyachei (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101700)
8. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
9. @EnderWiggin (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102430)
10. @Cape90 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102435)
11. @ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101710)
12. @Vulgard (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102486)
13. @Boquise (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102529)
14. @Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100589)
15. @Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=46115)
16. @Totally not Taffy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102455)
17. @Kagemusha (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11472)

---------------------------------------------

Game has been randed and you should all have access to your role pms on discord. tell me if there is an issue.

Don't discuss role pms in thread obv, they're all just you randed x congrats anyway.

-------------------------------------------------

Current Game Status:

Alive: (17/17)
Players:

1. Visor
2. Csargo
3. Hollowkatt
4. Montmorency
5. Ampharos
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. EnderWiggin
10. Cape90
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
14. Logic
15. Renata
16. Totally not Taffy
17. Kagemusha

Dead: (0/0)
Updates:

I like that rule set and I encourage everyone to read it carefully because there's stuff there that is relevant.

Game hosts do not generally lock the threads at night here, so you have to voluntarily remember not to post at night.

Thanking posts is not disabled during play, but you need to play as if they were. Don't thank posts.

Don't edit your posts if you can do so, I believe regular permission set still can.

[Raskolnikov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QFj59PON4

[hollowkatt]

I wish I knew fun was required before signing up
vote: raskolnikov

[Totally not Taffy]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a518b6cbac324fa5bb0a3e85bfb46e71/tenor.gif

I am ready!

[Visor]

Lmao that's my rules op

Hi all

Atpg didn't have 1000 words in his op, lock wolf

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.

I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.

Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.

I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.

Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.

I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lmao that's my rules op

Hi all

Atpg didn't have 1000 words in his op, lock wolf

Vote: ATPG

The wolfy "I agree".

Wolfy self vote:

Vote: myself

The wolfy "I find it interesting" that pizza would immediately open day one claiming to want a doctor/jailer.

Frankly, I think he's mafia and he wants to catch the town protective role using a teammate's watcher power.

Frankly, that plan proves he's a lock wolf.

The wolfy Hmmmmmm

The wolfy I can see it both ways, maybe he's a townie. I don't know.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wolfy ATE post goes here.

Wolfy claim to never play this game again, wolfy "seems like" Visor is weird/odd/off for shading me so soon on reasons such as those.

Insert suspicion of Visor here.

Wolfy vote for someone else, instead of Visor.

Later, I unvote that person, and never vote Visor.

Man, that's wolfy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may need to dive my gigantic list of wolfy behaviors and verbal tics to go mine more of those.

Maybe may day one will be nothing but memes about wolfy behavior that appears in every single game for years and years and years...

You don't know. I might find that more amusing than flailing desperately on zero info until a wolf outs themself by playing badly on day one.

[Ampharos]

im retired

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wolfy fluff and jokes rather than solving

Wolfy lack of reads or progressions

Wolfy nulls on everyone so far and no desire to change it

Wolfy deliberately calling their own behavior wolfy

What else.

I got voted, I should do the wolfy lol to indicate nervousness even though nothing funny has happened, including all my jokes so far.

[Montmorency]

Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.

I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.

Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.

I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.

Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.

Joke's on you, the Mafia doctor don't care.


I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.

That's legalistic even for Pizza. Maybe joke's on us.

There are no watchers though.


Man, that's wolfy.

No, that's WIFOM.

[Cape90]

So I see Pizza randed wolf

How is your day going?

[Ampharos]

pizza are you ok

[Askthepizzaguy]

im retired

Then you should go take a renap.

In the dirt.

Vote: Ampharos

Joke vote.

None of the humor is funny. Bad sense of humor tell, it's all wolfy.

It's the first all-wolfy iso in existence. Let's go for rock bottom and dig below the bedrock and hit magma. We can do it, gang (wolfy usage of we)

[Cape90]

Wolfy fluff and jokes rather than solving

Wolfy lack of reads or progressions

Wolfy nulls on everyone so far and no desire to change it

Wolfy deliberately calling their own behavior wolfy

What else.

I got voted, I should do the wolfy lol to indicate nervousness even though nothing funny has happened, including all my jokes so far.

The game just started and we are in RVS. There ain't 0 way you are town thinking like this already. Page 30 read on page 1 of the game

[Askthepizzaguy]

pizza are you ok

I am exceedingly amused right now.

I'm having fun in my own very unique ways.

[Cape90]

am I not getting the joke? :oops:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The game just started and we are in RVS. There ain't 0 way you are town thinking like this already. Page 30 read on page 1 of the game

Actually, in post 1285, I clearly explain how I got to this read on that player. Read my iso.

Wolfy repeating of previous work, and reads that stagnate and never evolve or change, and a wolfy demand to be townread for my busywork so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

am I not getting the joke? :oops:

LIKELY

Cape90 is town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Joke's on you, the Mafia doctor don't care.

Give me a mafia lawyer then. Hit me one time!


That's legalistic even for Pizza. Maybe joke's on us.

Pizza clearly interested in the town PRs and wants to hunt them. Dome him D1, no matter what he claims, kill him.

Read his reveal and explain how it is his fault anyway.


There are no watchers though.

And no cats in America.


that's WIFOM.

A wolf in front of me?

Vote: Pizza

[Montmorency]

I'm having fun in my own very unique ways.

Just go ahead and reset your avatar already.

https://i.imgur.com/HzDwNHl.jpg

[Logic]

Pizza doing stuff that I won't be able to read until later, most likely after he is dead, where I will go "oh, that was so obvious of alignment in hindsight!"

As for me, I kinda wanted to copy-paste from my last wolfgame here on the org, but that would be solely for pizza's benefit, and I've already devoted 2 paragraphs to him and mentioned literally no one else.
,

[Totally not Taffy]

There are no watchers though.


How do you know?

[Visor]

Go rams

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just go ahead and reset your avatar already.

Darth Bill Belichick is the avatar of ultimate evil already. I have no need to change it.

But, as a pizza-based human person, I am interested in how the streets in America are paved with cheese.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQMtp2WxEA4

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza doing stuff that I won't be able to read until later, most likely after he is dead, where I will go "oh, that was so obvious of alignment in hindsight!"

As for me, I kinda wanted to copy-paste from my last wolfgame here on the org, but that would be solely for pizza's benefit, and I've already devoted 2 paragraphs to him and mentioned literally no one else.
,

If you did that I'd instantly recognize it as repeated behavior, mainly because I'd iso you in previous games for comparison.

It might take me several hours to all day or night but by d2 it would have been found.

[Logic]

Go rams

:smug2:

[Montmorency]

Darth Bill Belichick is the avatar of ultimate evil already. I have no need to change it.

But, as a pizza-based human person, I am interested in how the streets in America are paved with cheese.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQMtp2WxEA4

Werewolves killed the cats. Mice gooned up and became Mafia. Ergo no watchers.

[Logic]

If you did that I'd instantly recognize it as repeated behavior, mainly because I'd iso you in previous games for comparison.

It might take me several hours to all day or night but by d2 it would have been found.

But would it really be instant?

[Visor]

Pizza doing stuff that I won't be able to read until later, most likely after he is dead, where I will go "oh, that was so obvious of alignment in hindsight!"

As for me, I kinda wanted to copy-paste from my last wolfgame here on the org, but that would be solely for pizza's benefit, and I've already devoted 2 paragraphs to him and mentioned literally no one else.
,

S h r O O p

[Cape90]

Actually, in post 1285, I clearly explain how I got to this read on that player. Read my iso.

Wolfy repeating of previous work, and reads that stagnate and never evolve or change, and a wolfy demand to be townread for my busywork so far.

Yeah sorry, you are right. also I think post 1329 was a wolfy response to your read.

The dude literally just posted a gif and said "lol ur wrong" "git good" I think you have them on the ropes.

Okay they gave a proper response in 1357 but I don't think it's super good either.

The way visor said that he hasn't been coasty at all and has well-thought out reads totally contradicts the whole gameplay of them so far.

You know Visor, in 981 you quoted a few of my posts and said some words about them like you were gonna give a read on me or something. But then you just walked away and said null, what's up with that? You even called other players wolfy as ATPG said and yet you say you don't have a strong stance on them? My dude that is a stance u know.

I think ATPG is onto something

[Montmorency]

This is going to be even harder if we play off fictional reads.

Vote: Visor

[Logic]

I saw these postnums being quoted and assumed they were legit for a minute.

Actual postnum? 130

[Logic]

S h r O O p

Interesting use of capital letters.

[Cape90]

This is going to be even harder if we play off fictional reads.

Vote: Visor

interesting how you just go with the fictional read after saying this

[Montmorency]

Fictional read? He who spelt it dealt it.

Pizza gone real quiet since the vote dropped.

[hollowkatt]

Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.

I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.

Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.

I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.

Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.

I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.


The wolfy "I agree".

Wolfy self vote:

Vote: myself

The wolfy "I find it interesting" that pizza would immediately open day one claiming to want a doctor/jailer.

Frankly, I think he's mafia and he wants to catch the town protective role using a teammate's watcher power.

Frankly, that plan proves he's a lock wolf.

The wolfy Hmmmmmm

The wolfy I can see it both ways, maybe he's a townie. I don't know.


Wolfy ATE post goes here.

Wolfy claim to never play this game again, wolfy "seems like" Visor is weird/odd/off for shading me so soon on reasons such as those.

Insert suspicion of Visor here.

Wolfy vote for someone else, instead of Visor.

Later, I unvote that person, and never vote Visor.

Man, that's wolfy.


I may need to dive my gigantic list of wolfy behaviors and verbal tics to go mine more of those.

Maybe may day one will be nothing but memes about wolfy behavior that appears in every single game for years and years and years...

You don't know. I might find that more amusing than flailing desperately on zero info until a wolf outs themself by playing badly on day one.


Wolfy fluff and jokes rather than solving

Wolfy lack of reads or progressions

Wolfy nulls on everyone so far and no desire to change it

Wolfy deliberately calling their own behavior wolfy

What else.

I got voted, I should do the wolfy lol to indicate nervousness even though nothing funny has happened, including all my jokes so far.

vote: ATPG

[hollowkatt]

Go rams

yes, go rams... into a freefall and rest all your high priced players so I can have a better draft pick

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Montmorency

Thanks for the easy wolfread.

[hollowkatt]

did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got

[Logic]

yes, go rams... into a freefall and rest all your high priced players so I can have a better draft pick

I don't think that's how you football.

[hollowkatt]

I don't think that's how you football.

it is when you traded your best player to the rams for picks, they won a SB off of him, and then got hit with residual lions curse

[Totally not Taffy]

vote: Montmorency

Thanks for the easy wolfread.

Ah, the man I was waiting for ❤️

Vote: Ender and gn!

[Montmorency]

vote: Montmorency

Thanks for the easy wolfread.

Put a pin in this one.

Scummy fishing for "easy wolfreads" at SOD1.

[Cape90]

did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got

you just said the same thing, kind of, twice. But the implication is the same

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Montmorency

Thanks for the easy wolfread.

Montmorency, one of the wolfiest townies in existence.

And oddly, one of the most villagery serial killers in existence, mainly because he didn't want to play to his actual win condition and just pretended to be townie.

Monty is S-tier cloud-cuckoolander and I say that with love and due respect.

I can also say, depending on the game, he is as wolfy as a wolf as he is as town, or, he's extremely villagery because he's disconnected from the entire wolf team and doing nothing they ask of him and not assisting with their wolf plan and generally being his very weird self, and that's why I never found him in chess mafia.

The wolf team had a plan, and he was like: no.

And it worked. And the rest of the team got dunked because their wolf plan was a very very very readable wolf plan. They all died for that wolf plan.

Except Monty.

This is my meta based fair warning about how utterly bizarre Monty is as a player, and how certainty on Monty's alignment is folly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got

I want to believe you believe that, but he's already reading incomprehension towntell'd himself immediately after rand so.

I don't know if I will believe that, but I will weigh one singular mostly reliable towntell against scumtells and solving for the remainder.

It's a pretty hefty one. I'd value it as much as like 9/10 true alignment cop check, 1/10 wrong check.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fictional read? He who spelt it dealt it.

Pizza gone real quiet since the vote dropped.

I will be intensely distracted this game by other games, hosting, baby, and hanging out and socializing.

My WIM meter is at 50 percent which is staggeringly low for someone like me.

I am very much in super casual mode here rn and I also will not megapost or hog the whole discussion here.

I need you people to post more so I have something to cold read, actually. Make with the ending of RVS and get closer toward meaty solving as soon as possible.

Start with reads on me wolf or town.

Reads you can reverse. Reads you will not bind to the souls of your firstborn child. Reads that are in dry erase marker, and have eraser in hand.

But I should already be someone people have an opinion on, a real one, which means RVS can be mercifully done and over with as soon as people cold read me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza tolerates RVS for over 1 hour, a new record.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish to neither pocket nor buddy but specifically holla at HollowKatt and say, lettuce neighbor.

Not a claim. Not a masonry. Two people of unknown alignment working closely together for a solve this game.

Why?

Because I'd like to try that at least once before I die IRL with you. You are an interesting person and I have yet to town-town with you once IIRC?

[Logic]

Put a pin in this one.

Scummy fishing for "easy wolfreads" at SOD1.

I was thinking the same thing but didn't have the courage to say it right off the bat.

[Logic]

Early vibes from people with posts memorable enough for me to read to some degree

Towny:
Pizza
Monty
Hollowkatt
Cape

Neutral
Visor

Scummy
Ender
Taffy

I'll leave you guys to figure out the "why" on each, as I'm off to make dinner.

[hollowkatt]

I want to believe you believe that, but he's already reading incomprehension towntell'd himself immediately after rand so.

I don't know if I will believe that, but I will weigh one singular mostly reliable towntell against scumtells and solving for the remainder.

It's a pretty hefty one. I'd value it as much as like 9/10 true alignment cop check, 1/10 wrong check.

I don't believe in towntells

[hollowkatt]

I wish to neither pocket nor buddy but specifically holla at HollowKatt and say, lettuce neighbor.

Not a claim. Not a masonry. Two people of unknown alignment working closely together for a solve this game.

Why?

Because I'd like to try that at least once before I die IRL with you. You are an interesting person and I have yet to town-town with you once IIRC?

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

[Ampharos]

Vote: Logic

[Montmorency]

The wolf team had a plan, and he was like: no.

And it worked. And the rest of the team got dunked because their wolf plan was a very very very readable wolf plan. They all died for that wolf plan.

It's much more a Pizza-specific fact pattern. Namely, we showed you the plan, you utterly destroyed it within 5 hours of game start, inarguably so - believe me, I tried to argue the case - so I scurried away while...

It was like if Mace Windu and the Masters confronted Palpatine, but with Anakin Skywalker on their side. Palpatine was got dead to rights, nothing for him to do but go out sword a-blazing, but Count Dooku fucked off to the Outer Rim because discretion is the better part of valor. The other apprentices didn't have to stay to confront the Jedi Council out of solidarity, with predictable results. If that makes sense to you.

I could afford to be a towny SK in my one SK game because, well, because it was Old Gameroom, but also because I had NK invulnerability.

But for the past 5 years I haven't even been able to reach 'average' as town unless I can make it to mid-game without a strong theory of the game.


But I should already be someone people have an opinion on, a real one, which means RVS can be mercifully done and over with as soon as people cold read me.

You erect these sorts of tiered defensive perimeters and full-spectrum slot reads as any alignment. You love confusing and overwhelming the player base with connections because it works just as well on Mafia as on Town. And you're always improving your game, so AFAIK your scum games used to be more endgame heavy but now your town games probably match them. I haven't caught you red-handed in 9 years, and if I've found you as town-town it was most likely when you were in the process of being wagoned by scum (which you could no longer allow to happen anymore). Even before MU you warned that you're not a good D1 read, and all the less so by now surely.

[Cape90]

Early vibes from people with posts memorable enough for me to read to some degree

Towny:
Pizza
Monty
Hollowkatt
Cape

Neutral
Visor

Scummy
Ender
Taffy

I'll leave you guys to figure out the "why" on each, as I'm off to make dinner.

Bet

Pizza - Probably for their townread of me + response to HK. Mayyyybe meta read on Monty.
Monty - No idea, vote on visor?
Hollowkatt - Probably for this towny sentence "did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got"
Cape - Push on ATPG while ATPG was roleplaying and then retracting that and that being like a towntell. Haha get fooled!

Visor - Hasn't done anything noteworthy so far.

Ender - Entered the game insta voting someone you find towny to blend in? May hav e to do with your Monty read I don't necessarily get yet. Sheeping ATPG?
Taffy - Guessing they feel stilted.

I am so good at mafia gameplay and totally got everyone by suspecting ATPG "on accident" to get townreads as planned.

:cheerleader:

[Cape90]

Oh I get it, Logic just predicted the future with Monty

[EnderWiggin]

Montmorency, one of the wolfiest townies in existence.

And oddly, one of the most villagery serial killers in existence, mainly because he didn't want to play to his actual win condition and just pretended to be townie.

Monty is S-tier cloud-cuckoolander and I say that with love and due respect.

I can also say, depending on the game, he is as wolfy as a wolf as he is as town, or, he's extremely villagery because he's disconnected from the entire wolf team and doing nothing they ask of him and not assisting with their wolf plan and generally being his very weird self, and that's why I never found him in chess mafia.

The wolf team had a plan, and he was like: no.

And it worked. And the rest of the team got dunked because their wolf plan was a very very very readable wolf plan. They all died for that wolf plan.

Except Monty.

This is my meta based fair warning about how utterly bizarre Monty is as a player, and how certainty on Monty's alignment is folly.

This ain't my first rodeo bucko

[EnderWiggin]

I was thinking the same thing but didn't have the courage to say it right off the bat.

Wolfy agree right here.

[Ampharos]

help i've never done a rodeo before

the horse is angry and i'm scared

[Cape90]

153 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836692&viewfull=1#post2053836692) also is a town post that belongs to town thanks for listening. This is a pocket attempt but I hope people read this point anyways and agree with me and pocket me too!

[EnderWiggin]

153 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836692&viewfull=1#post2053836692) also is a town post that belongs to town thanks for listening. This is a pocket attempt but I hope people read this point anyways and agree with me and pocket me too!

Get in my pocket.

[EnderWiggin]

help i've never done a rodeo before

the horse is angry and i'm scared

Have you tried reciting to it the little book of calm?

I find that helps whenever I'm feeling angry.

[Cape90]

I saw these postnums being quoted and assumed they were legit for a minute.

Actual postnum? 130

I wonder what ATPG thinks of this dumbtell

Which is a roundabout way of me asking him :D

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Logic

For ? reasons.

[Ampharos]

if logic's readslist is vibes-based, why does he then go out of his way to add "i'll let you guys figure out the reasons"

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason

strikes me as a worry that his readslist won't look legitimate enough without the implication that there's additional reasoning happening behind-the-scenes

[EnderWiggin]

I am now calling Ampharos my mindmeld townbuddy.

This is not a pocket attempt.tm

[Ampharos]

wait fuck i got tricked into actually playing mafia

this isn't persona 5 royal at all

[hollowkatt]

if logic's readslist is vibes-based, why does he then go out of his way to add "i'll let you guys figure out the reasons"

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason

strikes me as a worry that his readslist won't look legitimate enough without the implication that there's additional reasoning happening behind-the-scenes

if logic randed wolf I'm gonna laugh, and then ignore him and chop ender instead

[Cape90]

if logic's readslist is vibes-based, why does he then go out of his way to add "i'll let you guys figure out the reasons"

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason

strikes me as a worry that his readslist won't look legitimate enough without the implication that there's additional reasoning happening behind-the-scenes

I made up reasons for Logic, which means they are exactly his thoughts

[EnderWiggin]

There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.

[Cape90]

I made up reasons for Logic, which means they are exactly his thoughts

hydras be like

[EnderWiggin]

wait fuck i got tricked into actually playing mafia

this isn't persona 5 royal at all

And here I thought this was just a rodeo

[EnderWiggin]

if logic randed wolf I'm gonna laugh, and then ignore him and chop ender instead

*Single tear*

[EnderWiggin]

HK used to like playing with me.

Then he took an EnderTunnel to the knee.

[Cape90]

There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.

Yeah I agree with your read on Ampharos


I am now calling Ampharos my mindmeld townbuddy.

This is not a pocket attempt.tm

wait

[Cape90]

EnderWiggin might be town ;)

[Ampharos]

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

[Ampharos]

Yeah I agree with your read on Ampharos



wait

get smoked

[EnderWiggin]

Amph, your icon makes me think of Manwha comics except I can't place it.

[Ampharos]

cape and ender are the only actually funny people in this thread so they can be town

the rest of you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your souls

[Ampharos]

Amph, your icon makes me think of Manwha comics except I can't place it.

unfortunately it's fanart of makima chainsaw man

not much of a manwha gal

[EnderWiggin]

Cape is making me laugh.

Not AI but it makes me wanna keep him alive.

[EnderWiggin]

unfortunately it's fanart of makima chainsaw man

not much of a manwha gal

This explains why I felt like I recognised it but couldn't place it lol.

[Cape90]

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

From what I have experienced with Pizza, I can say that a lot of the words you are saying are true in terms of Pizza's meta.

Pizza has not actually thrown out that many reads, but he does townread me

What would be "the read that ends rvs" what exactly does that look like? I am not sure enough people are here out of the 17 players to crawl out of RVS quite yet.

Also I hate the last thing you said in this post. Why all of the sudden do a slight backtrack on your thoughts. It literally contradicts what you said "but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter"

[Ampharos]

What would be "the read that ends rvs" what exactly does that look like? I am not sure enough people are here out of the 17 players to crawl out of RVS quite yet.

the secret is that rvs is literally fake and ends at a different point for every player

i, for one, am no longer in rvs. perhaps you disagree, and that's fine!


Also I hate the last thing you said in this post. Why all of the sudden do a slight backtrack on your thoughts. It literally contradicts what you said "but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter"

mostly because vibes, with a side helping of "i'm stupid"

[Askthepizzaguy]

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

[Ampharos]

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

posts dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wonder what ATPG thinks of this dumbtell

Which is a roundabout way of me asking him :D

I don't know if I believe it but here is the thing

Let me tell you the kinds of derps and dumbtells I have seen in my ancient amount of years

Last year (I think) Return of the Clowns game, Lightfoot as town with moderator powers was reading the game, and making a post with claims in it.

instead of replying to an old post, she edited that old post, so that she edited in a claim she saw later in the thread, before the claim was ever made.

It looked like, since no "edited by" showed up, since she is a moderator, that she predicted Colby's claim.

Colby was obviously a wolf, and therefore, her predicting Colby's claim in advance made it seem like she had wolf chat with Colby.

Everything else she posted all game was townie and herself.

Worse, she has terrible memory and DIDNT REMEMBER SHE EDITED THE POST. FLAT OUT DID NOT KNOW SHE DID IT AT ALL. Couldn't explain how it happened, didn't even know that it happened.

That one post made me throw out my town read on her and start over as possibly outed.

I eventually decided..... if every single other post in the game is townie, then she fooled me.

If I can't town read her or wolf read her based on all her other posts, outside of that one anomaly, that might have spewed her wolf wolf with Colby, evidence of sharing a wolf chat, then I didn't want to let a mistake that gross impact the game.

I chose to ignore what should have been outing evidence she couldn't explain as TMI and always wolf wolf with Colby.

I town read her based on 99 percent of her iso otherwise.

And she was town. And we defeated all 3 actual wolves.

I have seen the impossible, wolfiest derps.

I do not accept derp clears anymore, and I do not find derps to be wolfy. Derps are tactics as wolf, and townies can derp so hard, in a wolfy enough way, that I refuse to alignment read a derp anymore.

Forever, as a policy.

If I cannot read you based on 99 out of 100 other posts in your eventual iso, I dont deserve to townread you or wolf catch you based on any derp.

End of policy rant about derpclears and dumbtells.

TLDR, as a policy, due to specific examples over the years, nothing derpclearing is clearing, and wolfy dumbtells can come from townies enough that I throw away all that evidence as crappy evidence.

It's as valid to me now as third on the wagon is always a wolf. It's just not true, it correlated once upon a time.

Derpclears correlated with townie behavior, wolfy dumbtells that look fake correlated with wolfy behavior once upon a time.

We're mostly stone cold veterans.

All that stuff is beyond NAI now. Throw it away.

My advice, ignore me on it if you wanna solve it your own way.

This is the most assertively i think Ive ever declared something null, ever. I am passionate about this being null.

This is in general, I reserve the right to find something particularly difficult to fake derp or find something impossibly wolfy and vote it, but.

It's gotta be super exceptional. Way worse than the Lightfoot example above.

[hollowkatt]

HK used to like playing with me.

Then he took an EnderTunnel to the knee.

I still like playing with you. I'm just not as free with the town read as I used to be

[Askthepizzaguy]

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

cape and ender are the only actually funny people in this thread so they can be town

the rest of you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your souls

To assist me in "NotWolfreading" you, please give post numbers or quotes of the things they said you found funny.

Do not tell me why you found them funny.

[Visor]

Random aside - I don't think monty is a Wolfy villager, I just think people find it hard to follow his logic sometimes and then assume it must make him a wolf

[Logic]

cape and ender are the only actually funny people in this thread so they can be town

the rest of you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your souls

I feel more attacked by this than your naked vote.

[Visor]

Logic and ender a touch Wolfy so far

[Askthepizzaguy]

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

You don't believe in towntells, I stopped believing in dumbtells and derpclears.

I am also open to discussing who you think is town, when you have townreads.

I will null every townread I have publicly and leave probably only Cape90 as town today, as a policy.

If I am to be yeeted I will out all my townreads at once and explain why and also tell people not to blindly sheep it.

If I am to be murdered it is because wolves think I can solve it or I have partially solved it and it is not something you should read me for spew to sheep.

If I have something I do want sheeped I will say so publicly in a very easy to understand manner and people can flat out ignore that request and solve it their own selves based on superior data from later rounds.

If all of those policies pass your okayness bar, lettuce hunt werewolves.

If you suspect me keep two lists, one where pizza is town, and devote some time to solving in that world. Any amount will do, just believe it can happen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Random aside - I don't think monty is a Wolfy villager, I just think people find it hard to follow his logic sometimes and then assume it must make him a wolf

I am thinking of games that are ancient at this point. Last 2 meetings with Monty, again, over the past 5 years, were when he was a wolf twice.

[EnderWiggin]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

[EnderWiggin]

Random aside - I don't think monty is a Wolfy villager, I just think people find it hard to follow his logic sometimes and then assume it must make him a wolf

If I'm honest I was weaponising exactly this to see how people reacted to my Monty vote with no reasons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

[EnderWiggin]

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

I actually probably should collate reasons more I'm just baffled by how it changes game to game.

And yes usually by villagers with some wolves mixed in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I actually probably should collate reasons more I'm just baffled by how it changes game to game.

And yes usually by villagers with some wolves mixed in.

I was asking specifically, the people wolf reading you this game.

Name by name, do you think they are town or mafia yet, or do you not have an opinion?

[EnderWiggin]

I was asking specifically, the people wolf reading you this game.

Name by name, do you think they are town or mafia yet, or do you not have an opinion?

Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet
Pizza = I have thoughts about this response but it's NAI broadly
Logic = wolfy (If I'm right on this then Monty is 100% town because the tell is how Logic "Piggybacked" off the read to push me.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Leans list, Closed Notebook style: (All other names redacted, in some order of townie to null, with tiers.)



Lean wolf (barely... call this "votable" tier.)

5. Ampharos

Unsorted (which means I have reads on everyone else and do not wish to vote unless I can townread Ampharos and/or a lot of unsorteds.)

2. Csargo
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
15. Renata
17. Kagemusha

Vote: Ampharos

Confidence level: Barely above rand wolf levels of confident, but this slot is neither null nor town lean yet.

[EnderWiggin]

For Monty I think the piggyback and the response is broadly a towny response.

Taffy I think doesn't treat me like this as wolf but that's much weaker and pending further posts.

Hence why both are in the Towny/NAI bracket and no one is Towny with no NAI

[EnderWiggin]

Leans list, Closed Notebook style: (All other names redacted, in some order of townie to null, with tiers.)



Lean wolf (barely... call this "votable" tier.)

5. Ampharos

Unsorted (which means I have reads on everyone else and do not wish to vote unless I can townread Ampharos and/or a lot of unsorteds.)

2. Csargo
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
15. Renata
17. Kagemusha

Vote: Ampharos

Confidence level: Barely above rand wolf levels of confident, but this slot is neither null nor town lean yet.

Allow me to put a "Wolfy Inch-resting" on this post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For Monty I think the piggyback and the response is broadly a towny response.

Taffy I think doesn't treat me like this as wolf but that's much weaker and pending further posts.

Hence why both are in the Towny/NAI bracket and no one is Towny with no NAI

Phrased exactly how I mean it, because I am adopting the new closed notebook style for everything null and above.

I do not object to Taffy and Monty seeing Day 2, so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Allow me to put a "Wolfy Inch-resting" on this post.

"interesting" to translate for those hard of parsing stuff like that. Wolfy because he's referring to my scumtells.

You are the name that is one slot above Ampharos atm, Bladescape.

The reason you are not in votable tier is because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery or is "scummy" on purpose.

That's clever and all but don't please.

[Ampharos]

All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

[EnderWiggin]

"interesting" to translate for those hard of parsing stuff like that. Wolfy because he's referring to my scumtells.

You are the name that is one slot above Ampharos atm, Bladescape.

The reason you are not in votable tier is because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery or is "scummy" on purpose.

That's clever and all but don't please.

I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me.

Here's the fun part though.

I think we aren't aligned, you and I. Maybe it's the closed notebook. Maybe it's something else, but there was something I expected to see from you if you're town that I haven't already seen.

I don't want to push this yet because I prefer playing town/town with you and want to find you if you are on my side. (Look, intentional wordage to imply my towniness!)

But I have my eye on you friendo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is now 4am, and last I slept was around 11am yesterday.

Sense of humor dropped off because large levels of tired creeped in about an hour ago, but I wanted to do opening leans list isos.

Couldn't do that and also maintain jokey socializing. Brain turned "socially switched off" around then due to exhaustion.

Isoing here is a pain, I find something unique-to-the-player, or their exact postcount (with lots of open tabs that do not update even if they keep posting) and use CTRL+F to search next post.

Takes a few more clicks, but it's faster than the Org's servers ever generating a valid search. Waited 2 minutes, gave up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me.

Here's the fun part though.

I think we aren't aligned, you and I. Maybe it's the closed notebook. Maybe it's something else, but there was something I expected to see from you if you're town that I haven't already seen.

I don't want to push this yet because I prefer playing town/town with you and want to find you if you are on my side. (Look, intentional wordage to imply my towniness!)

But I have my eye on you friendo.

If we aren't aligned then I vote for you today and yeet you in so doing.

Try again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe it's the tired, but "i was expecting to see X from pizza so far" in the first 20 posts I make a couple hours into the game is F tier and I don't have patience for that because it isn't any sort of villaging I expect from a player of bladescape's caliber as town.

Vote: Bladescape

Dropped a full tier.

And sleep.

[EnderWiggin]

Eh.

It is a not great read and I should've kept mum on it like I said I would because I wanted to see if you'd get back to it later and it wasn't 24 hours into the day.

I regret posting that for purely the reason that you're right it's very premature.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have more posts than 20, nearly double that. Correction.

Didnt think it was that many.

Call it 20 solving posts then.

[EnderWiggin]

If we aren't aligned then I vote for you today and yeet you in so doing.

Try again.

No try again, I do feel that way.

You threatening to yeet me if I feel that way won't change that.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to leave it and not vote you back because I want to see more from you before I actually commit to a "kill Pizza" project.

Also I'm keyed in on this Logic push I have.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eh.

It is a not great read and I should've kept mum on it like I said I would because I wanted to see if you'd get back to it later and it wasn't 24 hours into the day.

I regret posting that for purely the reason that you're right it's very premature.

It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.

But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.

I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.

If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.

Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.

Sleep.

[EnderWiggin]

It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.

But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.

I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.

If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.

Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.

Sleep.

No promises. My D1 was never as good as yours at finding a wolf. =P

But you know I always shall try.

[EnderWiggin]

But yes go sleep, I'm going to continue my own stuff and we'll see where we stand when suns rise.

[Logic]

Did I miss something where a no-poster drops a full tier?

[hollowkatt]

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

[hollowkatt]

You don't believe in towntells, I stopped believing in dumbtells and derpclears.

I am also open to discussing who you think is town, when you have townreads.

I will null every townread I have publicly and leave probably only Cape90 as town today, as a policy.

If I am to be yeeted I will out all my townreads at once and explain why and also tell people not to blindly sheep it.

If I am to be murdered it is because wolves think I can solve it or I have partially solved it and it is not something you should read me for spew to sheep.

If I have something I do want sheeped I will say so publicly in a very easy to understand manner and people can flat out ignore that request and solve it their own selves based on superior data from later rounds.

If all of those policies pass your okayness bar, lettuce hunt werewolves.

If you suspect me keep two lists, one where pizza is town, and devote some time to solving in that world. Any amount will do, just believe it can happen.

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836728&viewfull=1#post2053836728) only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

[hollowkatt]

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

once high and drunk I threw up on a cops shoes. I call that a win

[hollowkatt]

once high and drunk I threw up on a cops shoes. I call that a win

he was wearing them at the time

[Kagemusha]

Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?

[Vulgard]

Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.

I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.

Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.

I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.

Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.

I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.

This is towny.


So I see Pizza randed wolf

How is your day going?

Did you read his pregame posting? It's relevant here.


Pizza doing stuff that I won't be able to read until later, most likely after he is dead, where I will go "oh, that was so obvious of alignment in hindsight!"

As for me, I kinda wanted to copy-paste from my last wolfgame here on the org, but that would be solely for pizza's benefit, and I've already devoted 2 paragraphs to him and mentioned literally no one else.
,

?

[Vulgard]

vote: ATPG

Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

[Vulgard]

Early vibes from people with posts memorable enough for me to read to some degree

Towny:
Pizza
Monty
Hollowkatt
Cape

Neutral
Visor

Scummy
Ender
Taffy

I'll leave you guys to figure out the "why" on each, as I'm off to make dinner.

That's a lot of reads this early in the game. Probably towny, though?

[Vulgard]

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

Okay, that's funny.

[Vulgard]

That's a lot of reads this early in the game. Probably towny, though?

Meh, I immediately stopped believing my own logic.

Vote: Logic

[Vulgard]

I don't actually have reads aside from this at the moment, so don't ask me to give them.

[Boquise]

Hi!
This is a pretty hype playlist tbh

At work so will have to be on catch-up mode this afternoon
See ya then tbh!

[EnderWiggin]

Hm hm hm.

I like Vulgard's posts. But not entirely sure how much of that is because it feels like they're seeing what I see.

[Vulgard]

Hm hm hm.

I like Vulgard's posts. But not entirely sure how much of that is because it feels like they're seeing what I see.

With Logic? I barely made any other observations.

[EnderWiggin]

With Logic? I barely made any other observations.

Yes. Specifically the "Oh Logic looks fine. Wait no they're sus."

[Vulgard]

Yes. Specifically the "Oh Logic looks fine. Wait no they're sus."

It was more like:

1. Hey, this is probably towny even if weird.
2. Vulgard, you are being stupid.
3. /vote Logic

[Vulgard]

I've realized this isn't very helpful.

My opinion switch was less about what Logic did and more about my thought process. I wasn't happy with me having called Logic towny for that post and 180'd.

[EnderWiggin]

I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P

[Cape90]

posts dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

Yeah that's kinda true...


I don't know if I believe it but here is the thing

Let me tell you the kinds of derps and dumbtells I have seen in my ancient amount of years

Last year (I think) Return of the Clowns game, Lightfoot as town with moderator powers was reading the game, and making a post with claims in it.

instead of replying to an old post, she edited that old post, so that she edited in a claim she saw later in the thread, before the claim was ever made.

It looked like, since no "edited by" showed up, since she is a moderator, that she predicted Colby's claim.

Colby was obviously a wolf, and therefore, her predicting Colby's claim in advance made it seem like she had wolf chat with Colby.

Everything else she posted all game was townie and herself.

Worse, she has terrible memory and DIDNT REMEMBER SHE EDITED THE POST. FLAT OUT DID NOT KNOW SHE DID IT AT ALL. Couldn't explain how it happened, didn't even know that it happened.

That one post made me throw out my town read on her and start over as possibly outed.

I eventually decided..... if every single other post in the game is townie, then she fooled me.

If I can't town read her or wolf read her based on all her other posts, outside of that one anomaly, that might have spewed her wolf wolf with Colby, evidence of sharing a wolf chat, then I didn't want to let a mistake that gross impact the game.

I chose to ignore what should have been outing evidence she couldn't explain as TMI and always wolf wolf with Colby.

I town read her based on 99 percent of her iso otherwise.

And she was town. And we defeated all 3 actual wolves.

I have seen the impossible, wolfiest derps.

I do not accept derp clears anymore, and I do not find derps to be wolfy. Derps are tactics as wolf, and townies can derp so hard, in a wolfy enough way, that I refuse to alignment read a derp anymore.

Forever, as a policy.

If I cannot read you based on 99 out of 100 other posts in your eventual iso, I dont deserve to townread you or wolf catch you based on any derp.

End of policy rant about derpclears and dumbtells.

TLDR, as a policy, due to specific examples over the years, nothing derpclearing is clearing, and wolfy dumbtells can come from townies enough that I throw away all that evidence as crappy evidence.

It's as valid to me now as third on the wagon is always a wolf. It's just not true, it correlated once upon a time.

Derpclears correlated with townie behavior, wolfy dumbtells that look fake correlated with wolfy behavior once upon a time.

We're mostly stone cold veterans.

All that stuff is beyond NAI now. Throw it away.

My advice, ignore me on it if you wanna solve it your own way.

This is the most assertively i think Ive ever declared something null, ever. I am passionate about this being null.

This is in general, I reserve the right to find something particularly difficult to fake derp or find something impossibly wolfy and vote it, but.

It's gotta be super exceptional. Way worse than the Lightfoot example above.

Good choice, someone tried to derpclear me when I was mafia before, it is a play I sometimes like doing on purpose. I was just wondering because of this + the reasons you were townreading me. I know both instances are fairly different though.


All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

Interesting post


Random aside - I don't think monty is a Wolfy villager, I just think people find it hard to follow his logic sometimes and then assume it must make him a wolf

I think last game I played with Monty, Monty got POE voted out I think when they were indeed town.


I feel more attacked by this than your naked vote.

I don't necessarily get this. You see, with some of my posts I had humor in mind. I do not get that impression from your posts this game. Perhaps this was posting just to post :hide:


Phrased exactly how I mean it, because I am adopting the new closed notebook style for everything null and above.

I do not object to Taffy and Monty seeing Day 2, so far.

Interesting read especially on Taffy who is hardly a presence so far and hasn't been towny at all.
I am assuming this all has to do with some of what Ender said about Taffy


Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet


Taffy I think doesn't treat me like this as wolf but that's much weaker and pending further posts.

So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.


Leans list, Closed Notebook style: (All other names redacted, in some order of townie to null, with tiers.)



Lean wolf (barely... call this "votable" tier.)

5. Ampharos

Unsorted (which means I have reads on everyone else and do not wish to vote unless I can townread Ampharos and/or a lot of unsorteds.)

2. Csargo
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
15. Renata
17. Kagemusha

Vote: Ampharos

Confidence level: Barely above rand wolf levels of confident, but this slot is neither null nor town lean yet.

as exemplified here. Which also just feels like it isn't exactly aligning with


All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

But maybe I am cosmic braining this since ATPG is saying that Amy was wolftelling over here...

[EnderWiggin]

I've had a think about it and I'm throwing away the Pizza read pending further info.

I'll explain it later just in case as to why I got there, but I've been thinking and I was critical of others doing the "But x would've seen this!" in past games and its kinda hypocritical of me to use it. People miss things or don't do things all the time and it's not always because of alignment like that.

I will circle back around to this in like...

24 hours.

[Vulgard]

I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

[EnderWiggin]

So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.

Taffy comes from my forum. We have some history of me fooling Taffy, and me reading her based around how she treats me.

Why did you think my take was TMI? It was specifically around a read based on me?

[EnderWiggin]

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

Get in my pocket damnit! D:<

[Cape90]

The reason you are not in votable tier is because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery or is "scummy" on purpose.

That's clever and all but don't please.

I missed this part and I apologize.

You kind of put word soup here. What are you even saying with the first part?

because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery
I am simply missing the context I feel like.

And about the scummy on purpose thing, why if it is so clever should he not do it? I don't think a play like that is quite clever myself.

I feel like that's not what Ender is doing, I just feel like if this was the case, Ender would be more overtly scummy rather then how low-key they have felt. (low-key is not the right word since it's true Ender has posted a lot, but my point is if I were doing that play, I feel like I would moreso mess around and poke buttons while giggling to myself to see how far I could take it).

I had to remember this was bladescape on another note.

[Cape90]

I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me.

Well there is also this, and I kind of want to townread it lmao.

But it's obviously wolfy self-awareness so cape is wrong :joker:

[Cape90]

Did you read his pregame posting? It's relevant here.

Okay so it's NAI. Figured after a while

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did I miss something where a no-poster drops a full tier?

Ender/Bladescape is not a zero poster.

[Cape90]

Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

also maybe technically falls under OGI so get rekt :computer:

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

I grant townreads on gut this early because box in the wolves, 2+2 turbo golden sweep style and have actually had success in so doing five times since September on day 1 or first day of play if it wasn't day 1.

So, not TMI, but gut that's actually getting better at early snapreads. Better meaning above rand, which... wow, thats a huge improvement because my gut is connected to my ass for a reason.

They're the same. My gut is ass, and usually produces poopy reads this early.