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EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 09:50
Why would you want to carry the legacy of someone who you think is accusing a bunch of townies?
Because you're a better solver than me when you latch onto wolves.
You and Luvs together are the reason I'm sitting here fully willing to review/yeet Vul because if there are two people I think are good solvers telling me I'm wrong on Vulgard then...
Well
I could very well be wrong on Vulgard.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 09:50
You are allowed to be wrong Pizza.
I am not mad at you for that.
And I'm sorry if any of that came across as any of what you just said.
I shouldn't have come in here with any of that.
(Hells, I have already been terribly wrong on D1 so.)
Did you leave a reads list recently? I've been buried in D1.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 09:51
Okay, I'm formally apologising for my tone coming in here.
I have been unfairly snarky because of how I felt being pushed by a majority of players.
I'm going to stop snarking and going to take your reads list and try to sort the info you've given to provide my viewpoints. ^^
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 09:55
Forewarning:
I need to sleep.
I'm shooting soon.
It will be between these three names:
Visorslash
Enderwiggin
Vulgard
No other names.
If you desire the death of a specific person on this list, tell me why theyre a wolf.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:00
Vulgard
When you say you "want to flip" are you deliberately or accidentally misunderstanding how desperado works?
If you're town I literally can never flip you except by vote.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:00
Did you leave a reads list recently? I've been buried in D1.
Not a full reads list.
But basic list of where I am:
Town Clear:
Pizza (Desperado claim)
Town:
Renata - Solving and their approach today has been good, alongside yesterday entrance felt uninformed
Cape - I have had a few doubt points but every time I read the ISO some of their points feel very good
Taffy - I just won against wolf!Taffy and there's a significant play here that is different, I would be very impressed if this is Taffy as wolf again
Townlean with doubts:
Hollowkatt - Possible white-knighting wolf but otherwise there's just not a lot of reasons for why he chose to hard defend me after sussing me.
Csargo - Not with Visor, but if Visor is town there's a few odd posts.
Null:
Kage - Honestly don't have a read here and even ISO'd them.
ladd - I want to wolfread them for their treatment of me but I know that's OMGUS so I'm reserving this slot until I have someone else read them for me.
Dyachei - I suck at reading Dya, as she sucks at reading me. We've had some fun bad reads of each other in the past and last time we played I tried pushing them hard when I was told they were obvious town. They were town. I was too.
Wolfread with doubts:
Boq - I outlined a case on him earlier which everyone ignored, but his actions after it felt very town. So, I'd tentatively put it further up above anyone else.
Amy - I had townreads on this person and then their catchup felt terrible. Not with Boq.
Wolfread through Osmosis:
Vulgard - They have put forward gamestate and read thoughts that match mine before I have multiple times. If they're wolf I have been wolfsiding hard, which is possible.
Wolf:
Visor - I don't like how they treated the Logic thing or me.
Monty - I think they're wolf. I actually forgot the exact reasons but if I read the ISO I'm pretty sure I'd find out why again.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:01
I realise I forgot to say "them" at the Dya entry at first.
I'm sorry for that.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:08
Forewarning:
I need to sleep.
I'm shooting soon.
It will be between these three names:
Visorslash
Enderwiggin
Vulgard
No other names.
If you desire the death of a specific person on this list, tell me why theyre a wolf.
I'm afraid of being wrong on Vulgard. So part of me wants to tell you to shoot there.
But I shall instead put together thoughts about Visor because if you asked me honestly I'd pick them in that pool of 3.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:08
I realise I forgot to say "them" at the Dya entry at first.
I'm sorry for that.
Ender
If you are town
I want you to yeet Visorslash today.
Vote: Visorslash
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:10
Ender
If you are town
I want you to yeet Visorslash today.
Vote: Visorslash
Vote: Visorslash
I am not against this.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:10
We who are about to die salute you.
It has been an honor and a privilege.
Here's the thing: I have a long.... long..... long.... entirely unbroken streak of hitting mafia with my shots.
I have never been a vigilante and not shot a wolf.
I also have a lot going on and wasnt able to fully read this game for comprehension.
And I'm tired. And my hosted game. And the AMA popped up just this week.
I was expecting a chill VT game.
The stress on me is unimaginable.
But I am about to have no more stress. Regardless of the outcome.
I either die a villain, or live long enough to see myself become a hero.
Don't know why you'd troll me like this as town instead of solving the game.
It's not even trolling, I have more or less the same wolfreads as you now. Or at least I did until you removed Amy.
You have been extremely antagonistic toward me the entire game and you still are now.
Renata solely because of that godawful post about Ender.
dyachei can be bussing Ender
Hollowkatt- independently wolfy
EnderWiggin- I think your leans list is killing nothing but villagers for a very long time
Visor- incredibly wolfy game so far
Vulgard- trolling me, gaslit me, insulted me, entire iso is scumtells.
I don't know what you're talking about.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:12
I hope you didn't shoot who I think you shot.
Because I'll have to see you in DVC later if you did.
Vulgard
When you say you "want to flip" are you deliberately or accidentally misunderstanding how desperado works?
If you're town I literally can never flip you except by vote.
I was under the impression you weren't going to shoot me when I wrote that post.
I was expecting a chill VT game.
You are the ONLY reason it is not chill.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:13
Okay, one last time then.
Vulgard, do you think Ender and Visor are wolfy?
I see you voting Ender, how about Visor?
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:13
Vul.
Pizza has not been the only one causing tension this game, I'll say that.
For one, I have been guilty of it a little.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:13
I hope you didn't shoot who I think you shot.
Because I'll have to see you in DVC later if you did.
Havent shot yet.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:15
Okay lol.
I was waiting for the flip.
Okay, one last time then.
Vulgard, do you think Ender and Visor are wolfy?
I see you voting Ender, how about Visor?
It's less that I personally think they're wolfy and more that I think you are likely to have a better handle on the game than me. Personally I would still go for Montmorency or Amy but neither push has garnered any traction at all and you seem to be moving away from Amy + townreading Montmorency so maybe those are wrong lol.
Vul.
Pizza has not been the only one causing tension this game, I'll say that.
For one, I have been guilty of it a little.
Oh, I meant that he made it non-chill for himself.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:16
If Visor is wolf I might have been right about Amy originally.
Visor does go Amy over Me or Logic on D1.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:17
Ok.
If I die here, can you both legacy yeet Visor into the sun please? Thanks.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:18
Ok.
If I die here, can you both legacy yeet Visor into the sun please? Thanks.
Was already on that guv.
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 10:19
Ender (4): Renata, Vulgard, Ladd, Boquise
Visor (3): HK, ATPG, Ender
HK (2): Kagemusha, Taffy
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Amy (1): Visor
Ok.
If I die here, can you both legacy yeet Visor into the sun please? Thanks.
Not Ender? Are you townreading him rn?
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:19
Remember,
Montmorency
Cape90
Ampharos
Totally not Taffy
Kagemusha
Csargo - not with Katt
Boquise
Upon my death I am sending a desperado shot to one of these names.
That's actually something that really happens, is i give the second shot away. That's not a gambit or a bluff either.
It won't be revealed when I die, just my role name, but yes, there is absolutely a second desperado shot.
Why exactly do you have Amy as hard town now?
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:20
So that green pool contains a mafia if they don't claim the desperado shot.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:21
Not Ender? Are you townreading him rn?
Ive got them all in the bottom of my pile. Some may not be wolf wolf.
Like, if it's Visor, then it can still be ender. If it's Ender, if can still be visor. If it's one, it might not be the other.
I do not think my bottom three are all misses.
So when I miss on my bottom three shot, you eliminate the other two names.
Whoever you are. Visor, Ender, or Vulgard.
Is my wish, but, if youre town and I got your alignment wrong I can get others wrong.
Ready?
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:22
Why exactly do you have Amy as hard town now?
I have been posting analysis for hours, it's contained in there.
Just read back and ctrl + F her name.
I'm aware, but you just wrote one thing about one post of hers that made her town and seemingly that's the only reason when idk if that's sufficient. You didn't even take my case on her into consideration (though I suppose that part's understandable because you seem to be stuck in day 1).
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2022, 10:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en2D_5TzXCA
Good luck, Good luck town.
I can't look. Success or failure, I have to sleep now.
It's gotta wait until after.
https://i.imgur.com/glmLVmo.gif
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:26
:salute:
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 10:28
Askthepizzaguy has died suddenly. He flips vanilla town.
You may proceed.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:30
I'm going to say that was me that he shot.
Legacy for Pizza, pls let's get Visor.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:31
(I am once again sorry if you felt I was undermining you Pizza. I just felt attacked for my sudden drop in confidence after yeeting Logic. I still shouldn't have snarked at people like that.)
I want to flip Ender but I'm going to feel really bad about it if he's town.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:34
I want to flip Ender but I'm going to feel really bad about it if he's town.
Bro you literally just promised to yeet Visor. :/
What makes you think I wasn't shot?
Bro you literally just promised to yeet Visor. :/
What makes you think I wasn't shot?
I asked him why he wouldn't shoot Ender and he wouldn't respond. Idk who he shot honestly.
Could yeet Visor, perchance.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:38
Could yeet Visor, perchance.
He didn't shoot Visor. Because he asked us both that "If he flips then can we yeet Visor into the sun for him"
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 10:38
So idk about you but I'll try my hardest to do exactly that.
I admit from the "Ender if I die can you please do this for me" direct call out I think he shot me.
Vote: Visor
For having no visor.
Askthepizzaguy has died suddenly. He flips vanilla town.
You may proceed.
Vanilla town question mark?
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 11:54
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Vulgard
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Boquise
HK (2): Kagemusha, Taffy
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Amy (1): Visor
:bow:
And never said for sure who he shot at? I?m not feeling happy about mech right now.
Like, you can’t just die mid day by your own actions and be VT. So Ras is lying to us.
Because he did say his role would reveal.
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 12:03
Like, you can’t just die mid day by your own actions and be VT. So Ras is lying to us.
host note: I am not. Game isn't bastard either. :bow:
So all of this has been completely useless? We can’t trust any of it other than that Pizza was sincere about his reads? I’d kind of like to sheep him on Visor because I didn’t get to play with him for even a full Day AGAIN, but the mech is making me want to cry. He wasn’t a desperado. Nobody is cleared from this. We just lost a town player for no apparent reason.
i am almost caught up finally
Ladd: "Cape is towny because this thought is too convoluted for a wolf to have."
Also Ladd: "Ender is wolfy because this thought is too convoluted for a town to have."
Pick one.
cape's thought process was a believable one for a villager to have and one that i don't think wolves would even think about
yours is something wolves THINK villagers do while they actually rarely do
your posting on d2 also seems wolfy, all your pushes feel fake:
I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact. Which is a major soft-footprint style read. Especially with the number of nulls put.
monty is a wolf cause they are low impact? cmn really lol
Limited town reads, wide scumpool.
renata is wolfy cause of too many wolfreads...when thats village indicative if anything ime
The amount of nulls in this post is too damn high.
again this feels too level 0
I just want to say in general calling me not solving is a little silly, I have solved plenty
I turned around on logic!
ya but you voted them at EoD
i mean it's not a crime but if ender is a wolf it may become one :curtain:
my gut says that this is a wolfy post tbh
the whole scum reading someone for "active for the sake of being active" is kinda a cop-out. Idk this all feels like a manufactured hollow read
tho i saw now that you're Finnish.
So maybe it is just my blood that makes me wanna scum read here tbh
i can see this
and i think a bunch of people semi-cleared themselves so far in my read of d2 so PoE isnt that big IYAM
kage also kinda fits with literally any team
Lmao pizza
All that work to shoot me and be wrong
Maybe you should've worked with me at some point!
(how do you not tell people exactly who you targeted anyway)
ya but you voted them at EoD
i mean it's not a crime but if ender is a wolf it may become one :curtain:
Yeah I did because I felt guilty about pushing Amy and ender
Sorry for being wrong.
Askthepizzaguy has died suddenly. He flips vanilla town.
You may proceed.
no offense but how can someone as good as pizza misplay this so bad mechanically
he should have just told us clealry who he shot
Lmao pizza
All that work to shoot me and be wrong
Maybe you should've worked with me at some point!
wait he shot you? wat
Yeah I did because I felt guilty about pushing Amy and ender
Sorry for being wrong.
its fine its fine
as i said its not crime
since you are around thought on the orgers?
i am fully caight up and renata/csargo both seem v villagery and kage seems >rand wolf by PoE but i got 0 meta on them
monty also seems more villagery than not
Lmao pizza
All that work to shoot me and be wrong
Maybe you should've worked with me at some point!
He?s VT. He didn?t shoot anybody.
He?s VT. He didn?t shoot anybody.
I suspect he got given the desperado shot
I suspect he got given the desperado shot
yep
But I?d really like to know what makes you think you can claim to be cleared.
no offense but how can someone as good as pizza misplay this so bad mechanically
he should have just told us clealry who he shot
200% agree I am very frustrated rn
its fine its fine
as i said its not crime
since you are around thought on the orgers?
i am fully caight up and renata/csargo both seem v villagery and kage seems >rand wolf by PoE but i got 0 meta on them
monty also seems more villagery than not
Okay, so I haven't played with Kage in years, but I did find his posts a bit stilted and Wolfy, felt like a rusty wolf
Csargo hasn't quite shown the depth of thought I'd like so far to lock him in, certainly been active and posting thoughts but nothing that I feel super duper confident in
Monty.... I'm feeling a genuine lack of montyness, he feels restrained somehow
I'm just not picking up a lot of townreads in general this game and I truly blame pizza for warping the entire game around him
Renata is probably self resolving
But I?d really like to know what makes you think you can claim to be cleared.
Because pizza is nothing if not egotistical and shooting me would killing me as a wolf would be a huge feather in his cap, especially when he just called me a wolf 20 times recently
That is not a read Visor.
I could be wrong sure, but that's my take rn
Also nobody seems to be able to give an actual reason for me being a wolf
Not solving: what the hell do you think I've been doing
Voting logic: so did 6 other people, why was my vote explicitly the worst
Logics case: dumb
Give me something that actually makes sense please
That is not a read Visor.
Of course it's a read
Because pizza is nothing if not egotistical and shooting me would killing me as a wolf would be a huge feather in his cap, especially when he just called me a wolf 20 times recently
Yeah no.
She’ll self resolve is not a read.
It's about as real as the read you've given me pal
You come in here trying to claim a mech clear you don’t have, you fake claimed three times for no reason except presumably to look quirky and carefree, and all of the reads in that last post are kinda nothing burgers with mine being the worst. There’s no way on gods green earth at this point you lack anything to say about me other than you expect me to turn up dead.
Also, it's pretty clear I softed a PR and I am town so the wolves discrediting me idea is false from the get go, so Spooge found a wolf.
Vulgard would be the one he found, because he missed everywhere else for quite a bit I believe.
This is why I was trying to get Hollowkatt to talk about Luvs reads. Taffy?s idea that it was instead due to Luvs reading Hollowkatt as town is interesting and not actually incompatible, but not what I was going for.
I don?t know anymore if it?s true. Ender might be mech cleared (and if he isn?t, I don?t even know how to deal with that. I think we just lose and I?ll blame Pizza). And right before I left earlier I was about to post that I no longer really think Vulgard is scum. So like, was Hollowkatt right? It?s such a weird way of thinking to me.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:17
Does this work
EnderWiggin
If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?
Can you devote massive hours to the game?
How do you feel about your solve? Confident?
Ender
If you are town
I want you to yeet Visorslash today.
Vote: Visorslash
You can't convince me that Pizza didn't shoot me.
*Shrug*
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:20
Also if Visor is town after that blatant attempt to claim the shot then idk what this game is.
villagers
ladd - lack clear
taffy - genuinely lack clear for their d2 posting and post 1375 is just never from a wolf
cape - the obvious villager by solving
vulgard - the obvious villager by solving #2+ i am a sucker for some of their more "emotional" posting and i buy it. also my guess for who got shot by pizza
renata - never played with them but they post extremely sharp and very direct. not trying to appease at all and notices/pushes things wolves don't imo
leaning villa
csargo - similarish to renata but a bit less strong. good thoughts/solving
dya - i havent been too hot in reading dya lately but i think the way they are making reads at their own pace and the SNARK everytime anyone dares to shade or wolf read them is >>>rand villa
upper PoE (mostly villa leans that i don't feel strong enough about)
boq- has done even less than me eheh. but when he posts i agree with everything he says just dunno if its enough to really move him up
HK - push on pizza d1 was villagery, d2 posting seems fine. keeps going after players who he should know will bite back (pizza,dya) which is rand iyam
monty - dunno maybe he should be the tier below but i bought some of his d1 posts (the yolo team guess, the pushback on ender). if ender is a wolf i think he looks ok
low PoE (null but leaning wolf by PoE)
visor - i mostly read visor by how much he is pondering different scenarios/being paranoid about the direction the game is taking cause ime thats his biggest villa tell. i don't really see it in his d1, kindaaaa see it in his late d2. couple of posts also give me the creeps (post about cape and 1 about monty around mid d2)
kage - ngl the formatting made me skip their huge post and the rest of the posts do nothing for me (and push on HK feels weak)
wolves
ender - refer to my big post
amy - refer to my big post+ their wall post feels like a wolf making a huge post to get people off them
this is where i am at
i still think we should flip ender. if he is not a wolf gimme the desperado tonight, like for real
if he is a wolf, always kill amy next
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:21
I want to say Ladd is probably wolf too.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:22
Ladd still trying to push me when I was obviously the desperado shot is nagl.
You can't convince me that Pizza didn't shoot me.
*Shrug*
he made ~identical posts about vulgard
idk what he was thinking not claiming the shot
i even tried to see if he left some crumb or maybe if there was somehow a crumb in the video he posted but nothing
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:24
he made ~identical posts about vulgard
idk what he was thinking not claiming the shot
i even tried to see if he left some crumb or maybe if there was somehow a crumb in the video he posted but nothing
Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.
He never asked Vul to lead the town.
Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.
Find anyone else he asks that of.
Anyone.
A significant portion of dya's iso is either defending/explaining why logic/ampharos/vulgard are town. Is this normal? Does town Dya just defend their townreads a lot? Dya called cape and taffy v, but I didn't really see much else.
ender/hk/visor(?) woof leans, most of that centered around hk. I didn't see much about ender except can't read them and counter wagon. Visor lackluster(:boxedin:)
Extremely narrow focus says woof to me. There's a lot of chatting with other players, but not really any takes on them that I saw. It honestly feels like I've missed reading some of their posts somewhere. The arguments defending ampharos/vulgard are reasonable good content-wise imo. I tend to agree with stuff like ampharos's demeanor, thoughts on why vulgard's townie, or hk being different.
Is this just how Dya plays as town? Did I miss some posts somewhere, because isoing here sucks?
My main takeaway from playing with Dya back in the day was that they as town would go very aggro on me (as town) a lot. The closest I ever came to being a town-led mislynch on MU was due to a Dyachei death tunnel. I?m not used to them being so soft, either on me (they basically haven?t commented on me at all) and I do read it as wolfy.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:25
Tbh that's part of why I was caught off guard by the whole Vul shoot bluff he did.
Because I thought he was gonna shoot me since early in the day.
Part of why I was so annoyed.
Ladd still trying to push me when I was obviously the desperado shot is nagl.
you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!
but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot
i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2
but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard
Was supposed to be either on me or in general.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:26
you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!
but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot
i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2
but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard
Help us lunch Visor then.
Like Pizza explicitly asked.
You even have him POE, what is your issue and why would you ask to yeet me instead?
Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.
He never asked Vul to lead the town.
Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.
Find anyone else he asks that of.
Anyone.
he asked you to lead the village and tagged you 8 hours before he made the shot
he clearly had not made up his mind by then
if you read his posts before the shot there is no clear indication of who he is shooting
Help us lunch Visor then.
Like Pizza explicitly asked.
You even have him POE, what is your issue and why would you ask to yeet me instead?
cause you are easily my top wolf
if you got desperado'd and pizza didnt claim it itt it sucks but what can you do
again no offense but if pizza wanted to be followed maybe he should have palyed this correct
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:29
If we all agree I can be the Desperado shot clear I can die at night.
Pls let me.
If we all agree I can be the Desperado shot clear I can die at night.
Pls let me.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlvtIPzPdt2usKs/giphy.gif
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:30
cause you are easily my top wolf
if you got desperado'd and pizza didnt claim it itt it sucks but what can you do
again no offense but if pizza wanted to be followed maybe he should have palyed this correct
No offense but voting in 1 of 2 potentially desperado clears is bad mech too.
No offense but voting in 1 of 2 potentially desperado clears is bad mech too.
its not cause half a clear is worth 0 to me
its like saying you have a peek that someone is 50% a villager
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:31
So you think me claiming mech clear when it's not clear is scummy but you don't think Visor trying to claim it is?
there is an alternative - that he never was a desperado at all
but the timing is weird
and if he wasnt given a desperado, its possible he was trying to make us think he was to get us to follow his way of things
So you think me claiming mech clear when it's not clear is scummy but you don't think Visor trying to claim it is?
i never said that. I am just showing you why you are not mech clear
(tho i do find 1591 wolfy)
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:33
Visor > Ladd is probably 1 or 2 wolves.
I humbly ask town to help me fulfill Pizza's dying wish and yeet Visor.
Who multiple people have mentioned is scummy but has not had a wagon prior to this.
there is an alternative - that he never was a desperado at all
but the timing is weird
and if he wasnt given a desperado, its possible he was trying to make us think he was to get us to follow his way of things
he made a last post and then died
he either had a desperado or wolves suicided bombed him and he decided to fake having a desperado or something but it happened at a weird time for it to be so
occam's razor he just had a desperado
i gotta say this game doesnt feel so casual
i didnt notice it earlier cause i barely read lol
anyway this is where i am at, if i am wrong c'est la vie
i should be able to make eod
adieu
you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!
but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot
i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2
but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard
That?s not really a reason to conclude that it probably was Vulgard or that it definitely couldn?t have been Ender, which is what your reads list implies.
he made a last post and then died
he either had a desperado or wolves suicided bombed him and he decided to fake having a desperado or something but it happened at a weird time for it to be so
occam's razor he just had a desperado
i mean i think someone just made him a desperado
sorc 17er but its desperado :curtain:
i gotta say this game doesnt feel so casual
i didnt notice it earlier cause i barely read lol
anyway this is where i am at, if i am wrong c'est la vie
i should be able to make eod
adieu
it really doesnt
i blame a certain someone who is now dead
That?s not really a reason to conclude that it probably was Vulgard or that it definitely couldn?t have been Ender, which is what your reads list implies.
no it doesn't
my read on vulgard's posting is that he is a villager
my read on ender's posting is that he is a wolf
my read on the depserado shot is that vulgard or ender was shot
my GUESS for who was shot is vulgard but it's just that - a guess
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 13:43
We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.
Vote: Visor
I will defend Renata with my life, if I must. Vulgard I believe is town but there's been enough doubt about it and enough people including Luvs who pointed at em that I will believe I could be wrong there.
Renata - Solving and their approach today has been good, alongside yesterday entrance felt uninformed
Cape - I have had a few doubt points but every time I read the ISO some of their points feel very good
Taffy - I just won against wolf!Taffy and there's a significant play here that is different, I would be very impressed if this is Taffy as wolf again
Which significant play is different here?
Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?
dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.
We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.
this is a bad approach IYAM
we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead
taffy am i still a wolf because i didnt remember ur posts
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 13:49
We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.
Vote: Visor
Which significant play is different here?
Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?
dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.
Is it fakeable? Sure
Is it LIKELY to be faked?
Not so much.
Also Renata's interactions with Pizza are part of the towniness.
I can case her when it's not 12am and/or when she's actually in danger.
Your play difference I'm not going to outline since I wanna keep the read on you intact for future games.
But others townread you anyway so it's not like I have to convince em.
no it doesn't
make
my read on vulgard's posting is that he is a villager
my read on ender's posting is that he is a wolf
my read on the depserado shot is that vulgard or ender was shot
my GUESS for who was shot is vulgard but it's just that - a guess
It sucks because my reads at the time I left last night were the same, but I can’t just ignore the posts that Ender pointed out. I can’t see Pizza being that irresponsible. If he was, fuck that I’m blaming him.
Vote: Ender
I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.
I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?
Vote: Ender
I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.
I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?
i mean
if hes a villager hed be doing the same thing
why is this factoring into your read
i mean
if hes a villager hed be doing the same thing
why is this factoring into your read
Because he's trying really hard to clear himself with this and I don't feel great about him focusing on doing that instead of doing something else.
Because he's trying really hard to clear himself with this and I don't feel great about him focusing on doing that instead of doing something else.
if hes a villager.... why wouldnt he do that
if hes a villager he believes he is lock clear mechanically
while the cat is trying to eat my breakfast and i get ready for the day
can yall please give me some actual questions to answer given im a major wagon today
thanks
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 15:12
@Kagemusha (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11472) why do I need to build a case or vociferously push someone I suspect? Why isn't voting for them enough?
Like sure if all I have are naked votes ask me why I'm voting, or vote me and say something about it, but your push is predicated on some kind of "do work" metric that frankly I could not possibly care less about.
And I've given reasons why I suspect people, not my fault you're either not reading them or don't think they match up with your arbitrary metrics.
hollowkatt I will reply you in a bit.~:wave:
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 15:18
His posts kinda sketched me out, felt a little like rusty wolf lol
Never knew wolves do rust. I guess you learn new things every day!~;p
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 15:22
Nice. Seems like a lot of folks I know from the olden days settled down and made copies.
AKA replacement players for when we all get forcibly subbed out forever.
Best thing that ever happened to me. Im sure the next generation will be next level as well compared to us. :2thumbsup:
sup kage
any new thoughts?
someone pls actually talk to me instead of about me
(if you're a wolf ignoring me seems to be a great strat because it takes away my strength which is villagery interactions and when nobody fucin talks to me and the thread goes silent i can't exactly expound villageriness)
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 15:41
this is a bad approach IYAM
we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead
I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.
If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.
Also realised why Asks pretended to be the desperado himself, that way if he lived the wolves wouldn't be tempted to go PR hunting. So at least that part now makes sense to me.
sup kage
any new thoughts?
someone pls actually talk to me instead of about me
(if you're a wolf ignoring me seems to be a great strat because it takes away my strength which is villagery interactions and when nobody fucin talks to me and the thread goes silent i can't exactly expound villageriness)
Who do you want dead at the moment and why?
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 15:53
taffy am i still a wolf because i didnt remember ur posts
while the cat is trying to eat my breakfast and i get ready for the day
can yall please give me some actual questions to answer given im a major wagon today
thanks
I thought you were a wolf this morning, and I really don't believe Asks shot you. At this point I think you are the correct yeet regardless of your alignment because you're never going to be able to completely townclear yourself. But at least if you flip cop we know Montmorency's a wolf so that's good.
I do think you're in a shit position tbh, best thing I can suggest is that if your reads have changed since this morning say how and why in case you flip green?
Who do you want dead at the moment and why?
im not entirely sure
the game is hard to parse for me
lots of ppl feel wolfy
because you're never going to be able to completely townclear yourself.
i cant because the reasons i am a wolf are stupid
the closest to a reasonable wolfread is from vulgard of all people jfc
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 15:58
sup kage
any new thoughts?
someone pls actually talk to me instead of about me
(if you're a wolf ignoring me seems to be a great strat because it takes away my strength which is villagery interactions and when nobody fucin talks to me and the thread goes silent i can't exactly expound villageriness)
Just got through the thread.Askthepizzaguy, just want to say, sir you are legend my friend. :bow: That was one interesting dip inside your head and i have to collect my thoughts from all that you said today. I dont remember how many years it has been since we last played, but it never gets old.
Visor. I still think you are gray/null but i have to reread the thread to get hang of the line of Pizza?s thinking, why he came to other conclusion.
Just got through the thread.Askthepizzaguy, just want to say, sir you are legend my friend. :bow: That was one interesting dip inside your head and i have to collect my thoughts from all that you said today. I dont remember how many years it has been since we last played, but it never gets old.
Visor. I still think you are gray/null but i have to reread the thread to get hang of the line of Pizza?s thinking, why he came to other conclusion.
thats kind of u to say
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 16:00
Apparently i cant use mention 50% of the time. Askthepizzaguy it was you who i wanted to mention.
have you ever been just sitting around vibing while other people post 699 times in one game day but it's a small game so you didn't expect the activity to be so high and you made a joke about how hard the game is to follow and then people took your posts seriously like you couldn't follow the logic of the posts being made when really you were saying you didn't want to read all their shit but they've spent so many posts about trying to re-explain their reads to you in a different way that now you feel bad and don't want to tell them you just don't wanna read their posts at all but they've put so much effort into trying to work with you so you half heartedly agree because you're tyring to be nice but then someone else comes in and says your agreeing with them contradicts your post from 29 hours ago so you get even more heat and all you wanted to do was shoot the shit with your friends but two of them subbed out and now the game is full of try hards that ate constantly and made mafia so unfun for you that you took a break and now you're regretting coming back but you can't say that because it'll sound like ate and you don't want to be a hypocrit so instead you just make something up to explain the contradiction because you still don't want to read 3k posts on day 1 but then your explanation contradicts another post you made and a third person starts pestering you about it so you spend the next 7 hours actively engaged in a game you don't want to be in because you feel some unreasonable sense of pride for not getting mischopped in games but really you want to just sub out like your friends did and then you eventually do talk your way out of it but the counterwagon flips villager so you sit there throughout night one stressing about how tomorrow is gonna be more of the same? Has that ever happened to you?
okay you goddamn clowns
https://media.tenor.com/aFVEy2UGnA4AAAAC/turbo-time-turbo.gif
LOCK CLEAR:
1. Visor
HOPEFULLY CLEAR:
10. Cape90
IS A CHANGED MAN
17. Kagemusha
PROBABLY SHOT
9. EnderWiggin
GET YOUR CLOWN SHOES ON PIZZA
12. Vulgard
IDKWHATIMDOINGDOG.JPG
5. Ampharos
13. Boquise
YALL NEED TO STEP UP 2: THE STREETS
2. Csargo
4. Montmorency
KILL DAY BEFORE F9 (hopefully villa)
15. Renata
THE SECRET IS YALL WRONG
11. Ladd
16. Totally not Taffy
7. dyachei
3. Hollowkatt
we're townreading wolves u root vegetables
time to stop the juggernaut you limey potatoes
taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward
ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)
i feel stronger about the first two, but can be convinced the later two are wrong
(perhaps an amy or boq replacement, along with someone else)
i dont actually think pizza shot me, given his comments, and ill be damned if ill let him try to control any moer of teh game, one of the most selfish games ive ever seen played and im shocked yall cant see that
i think he probably shot ender, (ill concede he could be right on vulgard being a wolf tbh)
wouldnt shock me if it was ladd/taffy/vulgard/x (x is amy/boq/hkatt..../monty? maybe csargo).
EnderWiggin
nut up pal
Csargo
Montmorency where r u
Vote: totally not taffy
cmon you nutters
like friggin cmon man
taffys main push is me beacuse i didnt notice their posts cause they were underwhelming
PRIMO SOLVO
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 16:25
@Kagemusha (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11472) why do I need to build a case or vociferously push someone I suspect? Why isn't voting for them enough?
Like sure if all I have are naked votes ask me why I'm voting, or vote me and say something about it, but your push is predicated on some kind of "do work" metric that frankly I could not possibly care less about.
And I've given reasons why I suspect people, not my fault you're either not reading them or don't think they match up with your arbitrary metrics.
You dont. I want you to help me out here and open your decision making process to me:
vote: ATPG
This post is #136. You had 4 quotes from Pizza there and you voted him. Can you tell me what was in those quotes that triggered the vote?
Here is the post: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836675&viewfull=1#post2053836675
disappeared, yeah...
went to sleep, woke up at 9am late for a meeting. meeting till 11am
ran errands from 11:30 to 1pm
continued my work day till 5:30pm, had a few projects to deploy today.
went to dinner with the family, came home, put kiddo to bed (it's a process lol)
played some video games.
now I'm here.
Next time I'll be sure to not have a real life going on so that I don't "disappear".
Also luv2 is a wolf.
vote: luv2spooge
Here you voted luv2spooge. Can you tell me why?
kage back me up
look into taffy and ladd for me bronana
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 16:31
kage back me up
look into taffy and ladd for me bronana
Sorry nope bro. Taffy is in the lightside of things in my books from what ive seen so far and so is ladd.
Sorry nope bro. Taffy is in the lightside of things in my books from what ive seen so far and so is ladd.
rip
Ampharos
Boquise
back a brother up
My main takeaway from playing with Dya back in the day was that they as town would go very aggro on me (as town) a lot. The closest I ever came to being a town-led mislynch on MU was due to a Dyachei death tunnel. I?m not used to them being so soft, either on me (they basically haven?t commented on me at all) and I do read it as wolfy.
that was a long time ago. I still do tunnel but I focus more on villager reads than finding wolves these days. Like I said, my meta changed after I had the baby
visor's reads are bad but I think ender's posts are worse
Vote: Ender
that was a long time ago. I still do tunnel but I focus more on villager reads than finding wolves these days. Like I said, my meta changed after I had the baby
yeah it really has
its been hard adjusting to reading u tbh lol
ur like a diff player
yeah it really has
its been hard adjusting to reading u tbh lol
ur like a diff player
yeah i kind of wish I could go back to the way i was because i was good at finding wolves and now not as much
what do u think of ladd and taffy
what do u think of ladd and taffy
ladd is lean villager so is taffy. I think the way taffy's approaching the game is decent. I find myself nodding along with his posts
but what about taffys actual approach to pushes
but what about taffys actual approach to pushes
i'd have to look again. you have any specific posts?
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 17:03
Ender (5): Renata, Ladd, Boquise, Vulgard, Dyachei
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Taffy
HK (1): Kagemusha
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Taffy (1): Visor
chillax friendos.
i'd have to look again. you have any specific posts?
its more of an overall body of work in how they havent really been pushing things
i checked out their recent game on gitp out of curiousity and they pointed out the same thing there
(they were a wolf)
that they said plenty of reasonable things.... but didnt really progress the game forward a lot
like they have responded to things fine, but when you look at their posts as a whole, what part of them are truly pushing towards a genuine solve?
its more of an overall body of work in how they havent really been pushing things
i checked out their recent game on gitp out of curiousity and they pointed out the same thing there
(they were a wolf)
that they said plenty of reasonable things.... but didnt really progress the game forward a lot
i'll read through now
he has fewer posts than I remembered
i believe they are a she? fwiw
i believe they are a she? fwiw
oh my bad. FSR I thought they were a he
oh my bad. FSR I thought they were a he
on MU discord they have it as any pronouns are fine
on MU discord they have it as any pronouns are fine
Ah no worries then, iirc on gitp they have a female gender symbol so that's what I was going off
ok i see what you mean, they don't really try to get anyone over to their viewpoint. But I think most of their reads are fine? I agree with many of them. Doesn't really make taffy a wolf but I dont see them as clear villager now either
well its not just about getting ppl over to their viewpoint its that they dont move the game forward either
(and impo, their handling of me just a bit earlier is like oops sorry you're dead hehe, instead of actually trying to figure me out (n fact i dont think theyve genuinely tried to figure me out at all, just piggybacking off atpgs dumbass read (which if there is a god makes him go 0/3)
reads are whatever, who cares about reads
u care about genuine solving and they dont have it impo
reads are whatever, who cares about reads
u care about genuine solving and they dont have it impo
i think their reads do show solving though. Just not hardcore solving. and they don't really try to push their viewpoints. If they were really convinced about a wolf read you'd think they would do more to push that viewpoint
what are your top 4 wolf reads then if i can pick ur brain some more
what are your top 4 wolf reads then if i can pick ur brain some more
I'm most concerned about ender
HK is in that list
Renata
you
I'm most concerned about ender
HK is in that list
Renata
you
okay talk to me about renata and hk if you can
renata hasnt been brought up much, what have you seen there
okay talk to me about renata and hk if you can
renata hasnt been brought up much, what have you seen there
I think renata is grasping at relatively little things and pushing them as bigger than they are
HK isn't really pushing his reads either. He's got a pretty small thread presence and I find that wolfy for him
I think renata is grasping at relatively little things and pushing them as bigger than they are
HK isn't really pushing his reads either. He's got a pretty small thread presence and I find that wolfy for him
can you give some examples for renata things?
i tend to agree on Hkatt - ive found his pushes a little lacklustre - i dont necessarily care that he has a small thread presence, he just doesnt have..... the same ticker in his posts that i just saw when we were villaging together in a casual game
can you give some examples for renata things?
i tend to agree on Hkatt - ive found his pushes a little lacklustre - i dont necessarily care that he has a small thread presence, he just doesnt have..... the same ticker in his posts that i just saw when we were villaging together in a casual game
well like that one post from vulgard she found wolfy. She went on and on about it being so wolfy without considering other options at all
do you think renatas nittery is more playstyle indicative or wolf indicative?
what do u think of csargo and kage?
(and csargos push of kage and kages nonexistent response to it?)
do you think renatas nittery is more playstyle indicative or wolf indicative?
that's the part idk. I dont remember a lot about her gameplay.
but like, i'm pretty sure pizza checked vulgard. so that would make her main push wrong
what do u think of csargo and kage?
(and csargos push of kage and kages nonexistent response to it?)
i dont know kage at all so im not really sure. they dont have thread presence though
csargo seems like he's town
i dont know kage at all so im not really sure. they dont have thread presence though
csargo seems like he's town
talk to me a bit more about csargo
and id actually appreciate your thoughts on vulgard and ender too - ive found both of them ahrd to parse this game
talk to me a bit more about csargo
and id actually appreciate your thoughts on vulgard and ender too - ive found both of them ahrd to parse this game
I'm really bad at reading ender but I think he's been pretty defensive this game. I also think that his reads aren't great (other than his hk wolf read)
vulgard I think I get to a certain degree and the only thing I haven't liked from him was that lie to get pizza off his back that Renata pointed out. I posted some posts from him earlier that I think show his towniness. I also think he was pizza's likely check
why do you think he was pizzas check?
(to me it seemed like ender was the shot tbh)
i agree ender has been defensive this game - do you feel that is something hes likely to step into as a wolf?
why do reads seems to matter a lot to you atm?
boq has had a different energy this game, whats your take on it?
why do you think he was pizzas check?
(to me it seemed like ender was the shot tbh)
i agree ender has been defensive this game - do you feel that is something hes likely to step into as a wolf?
why do reads seems to matter a lot to you atm?
reads matter to me because I think people are pushing villagers a lot (like amy)
ender can be defensive as both alignments. I just think there's more of it than warranted currently
I think pizza wanted you as the elim so you're not likely to be the target. But if you look at his posts right before his shot, he spends a lot of time talking about how wolfy vulgard is. And that he wants him flipped. He barely talked about ender iirc
boq has had a different energy this game, whats your take on it?
boq seems to be solving so I think he's probably town. like he's actually showing his thought process in the thread
reads matter to me because I think people are pushing villagers a lot (like amy)
ender can be defensive as both alignments. I just think there's more of it than warranted currently
I think pizza wanted you as the elim so you're not likely to be the target. But if you look at his posts right before his shot, he spends a lot of time talking about how wolfy vulgard is. And that he wants him flipped. He barely talked about ender iirc
i agree i dont think im the target
but that means pizza is at best 1/3
i think its close to a game losing poe
i could be convinced vulgard is the shot tbf
but i also think its possible atpg just had a bad game cause he misread stuff cause of self applied pressure
in the world where ender, vulgard and myself are all villagers, where would you go next? (please indulge me in this hypothetical - what would be your top 4 suspects after that, who would stand otu to you from pushing us as a grouping?)
in that world, to me, ladd and taffy stand out massively
i agree i dont think im the target
but that means pizza is at best 1/3
i think its close to a game losing poe
i could be convinced vulgard is the shot tbf
but i also think its possible atpg just had a bad game cause he misread stuff cause of self applied pressure
in the world where ender, vulgard and myself are all villagers, where would you go next? (please indulge me in this hypothetical - what would be your top 4 suspects after that, who would stand otu to you from pushing us as a grouping?)
renata
hk
kage
taffy
how much of a lock is amy for you?
how much of a lock is amy for you?
she's not a lock, but she's one of my top reads
she's not a lock, but she's one of my top reads
can you give me a deep dive into why shes a villa for you? i know ive asked you similar thigns before - but im talking about a how do you approach reading amy, what are the kind of tells she is giving off to you, what did you think of the post vulgard called out for complete hedging?
can you give me a deep dive into why shes a villa for you? i know ive asked you similar thigns before - but im talking about a how do you approach reading amy, what are the kind of tells she is giving off to you, what did you think of the post vulgard called out for complete hedging?
Amy is a tone read for me (much like AM is). I can't explain it well, i just think her tone is her villager tone. I think hedging is NAI for Amy
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 18:21
I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.
If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.
This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.
i just feel like vulgards reading of people has been uncharitable at times
esp his posts about ender
This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.
its jsut a bog standard echanics post that i dont care about
sorry
how convinced are you that i am a wolf taffy?
can you lay it all out in detail please?
Amy is a tone read for me (much like AM is). I can't explain it well, i just think her tone is her villager tone. I think hedging is NAI for Amy
do you have any questions for me?
i just feel like vulgards reading of people has been uncharitable at times
esp his posts about ender
i dont think that's out of his village range though
it is interesting to me that taffy had nothing to say on anythin gelse that happened in the meantime except to talk about her own post
just feeling like they're a wolf bronana
Csargo
Montmorency where r u
Why did you mention me?
Why did you mention me?
to save my ass (and hopefully take a look at taffy and ladd and figure out we're marching to the death of at least two villagers)
can you talk more about your ladd read?
i didnt like taffy's pop in either
i mean i dont even get the logic. if you were a wolf pushing taffy (who in this scenario would be a villager) wouldn't you be more likely to call out a wolfy post by them?
can you talk more about your ladd read?
i didnt like taffy's pop in either
i had to move the poor sleeping cats head to type this i hope you're happy :P
but:
so when ladd popped in with the logic read i loled, cause it was a funny post and the kind fo thing i mightve posted a one time in a fucking around mood.
i jokingly called it lock v cause i found it funny and why not
ladd goes afk and thats fine i dont super care about that
his notable popin comes in after (iirc) i try to turn around the logic wagon - he agrees with me and tries to step back off the logic wagon
i end up going back to logic (which im sure some can think is suspect, thats fine - (though a bunch of othe rpeople were wrong, so im still unsure of why i get all the heat for it lol)
then the next day ladd comes in saying he is struggling to find me as a villager because i am often more paranoid of being wrong etc etc (which is true (though i can fake it pretty well too)), but the thing is - i DID do that, and I WAS one of the catalysts for switching off logic
ive done that song and dance plenty of times as a villa, and i dont think ladd is really trying to read me at that point, esp with pizza putting me in his poe, hes just seems likes hes going to hem and haw and then kill me because he 'just can't get there', when we've both managed to get there on each other in difficult circumstances in the past and i dont think im really trapped in wolf meta or anything
plus the post about his dunk on ender reminds me of his posting in one of his recent wolf games when he came in with an overwritten case on a player. just feels like hes playing up a wolf agenda, but i could be wrong, iw ould like some more face time with him to get a better read of where hes at
just feeling like a mixture of bad progressions and overwriting that is standing out to me
i had to move the poor sleeping cats head to type this i hope you're happy :P
but:
so when ladd popped in with the logic read i loled, cause it was a funny post and the kind fo thing i mightve posted a one time in a fucking around mood.
i jokingly called it lock v cause i found it funny and why not
ladd goes afk and thats fine i dont super care about that
his notable popin comes in after (iirc) i try to turn around the logic wagon - he agrees with me and tries to step back off the logic wagon
i end up going back to logic (which im sure some can think is suspect, thats fine - (though a bunch of othe rpeople were wrong, so im still unsure of why i get all the heat for it lol)
then the next day ladd comes in saying he is struggling to find me as a villager because i am often more paranoid of being wrong etc etc (which is true (though i can fake it pretty well too)), but the thing is - i DID do that, and I WAS one of the catalysts for switching off logic
ive done that song and dance plenty of times as a villa, and i dont think ladd is really trying to read me at that point, esp with pizza putting me in his poe, hes just seems likes hes going to hem and haw and then kill me because he 'just can't get there', when we've both managed to get there on each other in difficult circumstances in the past and i dont think im really trapped in wolf meta or anything
plus the post about his dunk on ender reminds me of his posting in one of his recent wolf games when he came in with an overwritten case on a player. just feels like hes playing up a wolf agenda, but i could be wrong, iw ould like some more face time with him to get a better read of where hes at
just feeling like a mixture of bad progressions and overwriting that is standing out to me
yeah i think he hasn't spent enough time in the thread for me to get a good read on him
i mean i dont even get the logic. if you were a wolf pushing taffy (who in this scenario would be a villager) wouldn't you be more likely to call out a wolfy post by them?
i mean i dont even understand whats wrong with the post LOL ist just someones mechanical beliefs, even if its right or wrong people understanding or not understanding what to do isnt alignment indicative in the slightest lol
i think the argument is that because im a wolf imjust making stuff up to push them and not using their wolfy stuff to push them? but i dont even think that post is wolfy and i have already expressed what my wolfread on them is based on and it has nothing to do with anything they've talked about lol
i have a privileged position of being reasonably sure i wasnt shot and knowing that we are marching to the death of at least two villas, so people unwilling to consider the scenarios in which we are killing two min villagers are standing out to me
(like taffy rn - i also think their post abotu the fake desperado thing was weird too, but more weird than wolfy)
wolves just want us to march to the death, thats it
i mean i dont even understand whats wrong with the post LOL ist just someones mechanical beliefs, even if its right or wrong people understanding or not understanding what to do isnt alignment indicative in the slightest lol
i think the argument is that because im a wolf imjust making stuff up to push them and not using their wolfy stuff to push them? but i dont even think that post is wolfy and i have already expressed what my wolfread on them is based on and it has nothing to do with anything they've talked about lol
I think the logic is that they had a possible wolf and they want to vote outside of that
I think the logic is that they had a possible wolf and they want to vote outside of that
i guess, i skimmed the post saw it was about mechs and stopped carin glol
fwiw, I'd be up for an hk elim, too
I can hardconfirm myself tomorrow and wolves shouldn't be able to stop it unless they have a very unusual role.
fwiw, I'd be up for an hk elim, too
the only thing that is really givin gme pause is cape and spooges meta read on hkatt atm
i guess thoughts on cape aorn?
I find it difficult to backread in this environment which is why my reads keep changing. Somebody comes in with new information and I find it reasonable and I change my view.
Like Visor now. Visor, what do you think about Amy? I had a case earlier, I'll pull it up in a moment.
You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.
Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.
You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.
You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.
You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.
You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?
You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.
You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:
You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.
That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.
Here.
i think we should be killing outside of vlgard ender and me (no bias, honest)
if you cant confirm yourself tomorrows (esp with what i think ur saying)
then we can just kill you
but otherwise i think we should be killin gOUTSIDE that group
the only thing that is really givin gme pause is cape and spooges meta read on hkatt atm
i guess thoughts on cape aorn?
cape is still one of my top towns
if you cant confirm yourself tomorrows (esp with what i think ur saying)
then we can just kill you
Yes, do this. Wolves have to kill me or I hardconfirm myself. Like I said, I don't think most setups would have a role that can stop me from confirming.
Here.
i agree with you fwiw lol
i havent played with amy in a hot minute and she wasnt really in a good headspace for some of those games, so my beliefs could be off but i thought this was a reasonable post when i saw it lol (this is the post i mentioned above to dya)
well like that one post from vulgard she found wolfy. She went on and on about it being so wolfy without considering other options at all
This is completely inaccurate. I acknowledged your interpretation likely being the correct one almost immediately, and my other pushes towards Vulgard were based on other parts of their ISO that I had noted on my day one re-read.
Go back and look. You cannot back this up.
dyachei
This is an actual request for you to do this.
vulgard ,all three of u me and ender are v
where are you looking to
who is suspect in this world to you
can you pelase talk to me about ladd and taffy?
thats kind of u to say
Apparently i cant use mention 50% of the time. Askthepizzaguy it was you who i wanted to mention.
looooooooooooool
thx for the laughs
to save my ass (and hopefully take a look at taffy and ladd and figure out we're marching to the death of at least two villagers)
I'll look at taffy and ladd again, my impression was they're both town. Feel like the stuff you said about taffy could easily be v stuff to me. Ladd was just feelies, felt good about their posting as they were catching up.
Who are the villagers we're marching to the death of? You and Ender?
that's the part idk. I dont remember a lot about her gameplay.
but like, i'm pretty sure pizza checked vulgard. so that would make her main push wrong
What is this based on? He made some pointed posts toward Ender. Nothing in that last little bit about Vulgard unless you can point out something I missed.
looooooooooooool
thx for the laughslol at the time i was like, thats a strange thing to say to me when we ahvent interacted that much
but i was like oh guess hes jsut being nice
turns out im an idiot lmao
I'll look at taffy and ladd again, my impression was they're both town. Feel like the stuff you said about taffy could easily be v stuff to me. Ladd was just feelies, felt good about their posting as they were catching up.
Who are the villagers we're marching to the death of? You and Ender?
me and at least one of the blokes in the death pool of ender vulgard
cmon man i need more than just feel good, explain why taffy could easily be v, explain to me why it doesnt stand out to you?
taffy was in the 10er recent game here, caleld me socially awkward d1 and pushed hard for their beliefs as v, they have approximately zero of that in this game
What is this based on? He made some pointed posts toward Ender. Nothing in that last little bit about Vulgard unless you can point out something I missed.
keep reading
vulgard ,all three of u me and ender are v
where are you looking to
who is suspect in this world to you
can you pelase talk to me about ladd and taffy?
I think Amy is likely a wolf in that world. Amy's approach to Ender is an approach of not trying to solve him at all while still expecting him to flip. It's also possible that ladd is a wolf by association in that world because Amy's townread on him is extremely contrived. I had a V/V read on you/ladd and I've gone back and forth on who among you was actually town and who wasn't but rn I'd just like to flip Amy and go from there I think.
I also haven't really dropped my suspicion on Monty but that one feels like a less likely hit. Kagemusha I feel like is off in his own world, his posting looked a bit like busywork but I admittedly haven't given it a very close look.
Taffy I honestly had a very likely villager, someone who would need to have a sick wolfgame in order to be a wolf. Which could be possible and I could be getting snowed. But her and Renata's posts I've found sharp and pointed and that's the type of thing wolves usually don't have. I also feel like these two are genuinely pursuing their reads, most importantly Taffy's push on HK and Renata's suspicion of me (when she correctly figured out I was lying).
taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward
this seems completely opposite to how they seem to be posting
afaict they have plenty of attitude/sassiness
ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations
i dont think you actually believe this. This is the least I have explained myself as either alignment in a while and i am surprised people havent asked me more questions tbh
where have i been over -explainy?
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
did you read the sorcerer game you hosted? i don't think he is posting differently from there
(but i concede he may be a wolf)
dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)
maybe if it was 2 years ago but their meta changed a ton
i dont really like any of these reads tbh
are you clearing ender just cause maybe he got shot?
i dont even know why people actually think ender is a wolf
vulgard i get why ppl wolfread, ppl just called ender a wolf and im just like ???
This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.
To be honest I wasn't going to say anything about that post either and I'm not 100% sure what mistake it is that you are referring to. I am absolute shit at mechanics however.
This is hard because I think you are both posting reasonably but I also feel like there's a wolf between you. Never two, though.
Vote: totally not taffy
cmon you nutters
If it was a fake claim I called it in my private thread.
sometimes ww is an easy game and you get to clear people for free
https://media.giphy.com/media/G5X63GrrLjjVK/giphy.gif
and even besides that taffy is the villageriest player itg IMO
i can villa case them if needed but they'd be my 1 do not ever kill
also the fact that yall jus tpivoted to ender so effortlessly after the logic wagon dissolved a touch skeeved me out, like switching from villa to villa
perhaps thats just paranoia speaking
sometimes ww is an easy game and you get to clear people for free
https://media.giphy.com/media/G5X63GrrLjjVK/giphy.gif
and even besides that taffy is the villageriest player itg IMO
i can villa case them if needed but they'd be my 1 do not ever kill
taffy can beleive it is a fake claim as a wolf!
i dont even know why people actually think ender is a wolf
vulgard i get why ppl wolfread, ppl just called ender a wolf and im just like ???
the last game i played with him (last month) he pushed his thoughts and tried to get people to elim with him. he was absolutely convinced his reads were right. he's not doing that here
i will say ender thinking the team is me amy and monty is weird
but idk bronanas
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 19:12
how convinced are you that i am a wolf taffy?
can you lay it all out in detail please?
Right now, sufficiently convinced that if I had a suicide vest you'd be the one coming with me.
Everything you've done today is what I expect a wolf to do. You're trying to undermine the people wolfreading you, to get people to engage with you and you alone so town isn't communicating with eachother, swell the thread by making jokes and meaningless posts, appealing to your friends hoping they'll keep you around out of friendship. Also:
200% agree I am very frustrated rn
(for the memes ~;) )
Logic used his remaining time to make one case on his strongest wolfread hoping town would follow him after the flip. Could I ask you to do the same?
Fwiw I think HK is doing fine
LOCK CLEAR:
1. Visor
HOPEFULLY CLEAR:
10. Cape90
IS A CHANGED MAN
17. Kagemusha
PROBABLY SHOT
9. EnderWiggin
GET YOUR CLOWN SHOES ON PIZZA
12. Vulgard
IDKWHATIMDOINGDOG.JPG
5. Ampharos
13. Boquise
YALL NEED TO STEP UP 2: THE STREETS
2. Csargo
4. Montmorency
KILL DAY BEFORE F9 (hopefully villa)
15. Renata
THE SECRET IS YALL WRONG
11. Ladd
16. Totally not Taffy
7. dyachei
3. Hollowkatt
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
What has Hollowkatt done today to go from fine to your strongest wolfread? Can you lay it out in detail please?
i keep forgetting monty is in the game. visor whats your read on him and why?
i mean i dont even get the logic. if you were a wolf pushing taffy (who in this scenario would be a villager) wouldn't you be more likely to call out a wolfy post by them?
This whole conversation feels like the two of you got together in wolf chat and decided to stage a push on somebody to save Visor's butt from getting crisped.
This whole conversation feels like the two of you got together in wolf chat and decided to stage a push on somebody to save Visor's butt from getting crisped.
lol
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 19:16
it is interesting to me that taffy had nothing to say on anythin gelse that happened in the meantime except to talk about her own post
just feeling like they're a wolf bronana
This is what I mean with "everything a wolf would do". You asked me a question that you knew would take time to answer, and then use the fact that I need time to answer it to accuse me of popping in.
i dont think you really believe that
also who the fuck would actually do that
ive done that song and dance plenty of times as a villa, and i dont think ladd is really trying to read me at that point, esp with pizza putting me in his poe, hes just seems likes hes going to hem and haw and then kill me because he 'just can't get there', when we've both managed to get there on each other in difficult circumstances in the past and i dont think im really trapped in wolf meta or anything
when? i genuinely dont remember this ever being a thing
plus the post about his dunk on ender reminds me of his posting in one of his recent wolf games when he came in with an overwritten case on a player. just feels like hes playing up a wolf agenda, but i could be wrong, iw ould like some more face time with him to get a better read of where hes at
which game?
(i mean i am sure you can find one where i did it but it's a pretty uncharitable interpretation of my post considering that you should know i make posts like that plenty as villa too)
dunno friendo, your read on me really dosn't look real :stare:
taffy can beleive it is a fake claim as a wolf!
yea but thats not the part i meant
This whole conversation feels like the two of you got together in wolf chat and decided to stage a push on somebody to save Visor's butt from getting crisped.
villagery post
(but i disagree on dya, they look villagery in the exchange imo)
Right now, sufficiently convinced that if I had a suicide vest you'd be the one coming with me.
Everything you've done today is what I expect a wolf to do. You're trying to undermine the people wolfreading you, to get people to engage with you and you alone so town isn't communicating with eachother, swell the thread by making jokes and meaningless posts, appealing to your friends hoping they'll keep you around out of friendship. Also:
(for the memes ~;) )
Logic used his remaining time to make one case on his strongest wolfread hoping town would follow him after the flip. Could I ask you to do the same?
What has Hollowkatt done today to go from fine to your strongest wolfread? Can you lay it out in detail please?
are none of the things im doing today things that villagers would do?
no, i am not makign some dumbass case like logic
(and id like to say i am not appealing to my friends to keep me out of friendship im appealing to them to see my villageriness and act accordingly - id appreciate if you didnt accuse me of some shady gamesmanship there pal
hkatt is more of a nebulous read thats just kinda fell over time as i havent felt the consider curiosity from him that i saw in our recent game together
in part its also just a reaction to the consensus being very wrong and trying to fight against it with reads that are against the grain - i know im a villager and one of ender/vulgard at least is a villager, so people pushing in there feels very wolfy to me, so i am trying to push back and get people to think outside the simplest course of action (cause it is wrong)
i keep forgetting monty is in the game. visor whats your read on him and why?
normally the weirder monty is, the more likely he is a villager
he has been... less weird, doesnt have his off the wall pushes, doesnt have his soulread target that he pushes for with ominous wording - thats what stands out to me from him
really interested to see what he comes up with later
This is what I mean with "everything a wolf would do". You asked me a question that you knew would take time to answer, and then use the fact that I need time to answer it to accuse me of popping in.
damn you're good
got me nailed chief
LOL
i dont even know why people actually think ender is a wolf
vulgard i get why ppl wolfread, ppl just called ender a wolf and im just like ???
i cased him (and you even used my case on ender to say i a wolfy) and i am fairly sure i am not the only who did?
plenty of people pointed out problems with his posts
do you really not understand the wolfread on him
i cased him (and you even used my case on ender to say i a wolfy) and i am fairly sure i am not the only who did?
plenty of people pointed out problems with his posts
do you really not understand the wolfread on him
no.
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 19:22
To be honest I wasn't going to say anything about that post either and I'm not 100% sure what mistake it is that you are referring to. I am absolute shit at mechanics however.
It is entirely written from the perspective that there is one wolf between Vulgard and Ender, which I actually don't know to be the case. What we know (assuming Asks wasn't lying about it being a desperado shot and didn't shoot outside of them) is that there is at least one town between them. That doesn't make the other a wolf. The wolves know what the other one is ofcourse.
i cased him (and you even used my case on ender to say i a wolfy) and i am fairly sure i am not the only who did?
plenty of people pointed out problems with his posts
do you really not understand the wolfread on him
i mean you even wolfread ender yousrself lol
i genuinely don't get why you are turning around so hard on him rn. just cause of the chance he got shot?
villagery post
(but i disagree on dya, they look villagery in the exchange imo)
how is this a villagery post lmao
its rubbish, there is no way she actually believes that
i mean you even wolfread ender yousrself lol
i genuinely don't get why you are turning around so hard on him rn. just cause of the chance he got shot?
yes it looks to me as if he was the shot
how is this a villagery post lmao
its rubbish, there is no way she actually believes that
cause it's an hard post to make with tmi that at least 1 of you is a villager. alas it's an ahrd thought to fake as a wolf
i gotta go but will almost surely be back for eod at least on phone
yes it looks to me as if he was the shot
convince me he was the shot and not vulgard?
convince me he was the shot and not vulgard?
atpg made a post saying ender if you are town will you kill visor - implying that he is a) not shooting me b) shooting ender, as in if atpg shoots right, it wont amtter, but if he shoots wrong and dies, he is giving instructions to ender
and that renata post is not hard to make
ender was also the main wagon and the one ppl argued to be shot more
(hell he was the one i argued to be shot to clear him up)
if it comes down to it, ill vote ender, whatever
but there are other wolves in the game so people should be looking at other peope (besides me :curtain:)
Ender
If you are town
I want you to yeet Visorslash today.
Vote: Visorslash
Okay, one last time then.
Vulgard, do you think Ender and Visor are wolfy?
I see you voting Ender, how about Visor?
Ok.
If I die here, can you both legacy yeet Visor into the sun please? Thanks.
Remember,
Montmorency
Cape90
Ampharos
Totally not Taffy
Kagemusha
Csargo - not with Katt
Boquise
Upon my death I am sending a desperado shot to one of these names.
That's actually something that really happens, is i give the second shot away. That's not a gambit or a bluff either.
It won't be revealed when I die, just my role name, but yes, there is absolutely a second desperado shot.
Ive got them all in the bottom of my pile. Some may not be wolf wolf.
Like, if it's Visor, then it can still be ender. If it's Ender, if can still be visor. If it's one, it might not be the other.
I do not think my bottom three are all misses.
So when I miss on my bottom three shot, you eliminate the other two names.
Whoever you are. Visor, Ender, or Vulgard.
Is my wish, but, if youre town and I got your alignment wrong I can get others wrong.
Ready?
No, Dyachei's right. The last post with names is ambiguous, the suggestions it was probably going to be Ender aren't nailed down as being anything more than that, by virtue of being last. We lost a VT for absolutely nothing.
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