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atpg made a post saying ender if you are town will you kill visor - implying that he is a) not shooting me b) shooting ender, as in if atpg shoots right, it wont amtter, but if he shoots wrong and dies, he is giving instructions to ender
and that renata post is not hard to make
he made that post 8 hours before he got the shot off. idk why both you and ender are even bringing it up (i mean i get why ender does)
in his last posts he clearly hedges between them
im still angry about the way he played that
what the fuck was he thinking
i feel like he didnt shoot me
even saying he mightve, i dont feel he wouldve shot me
i feel like he didnt shoot me
even saying he mightve, i dont feel he wouldve shot me
i think he definitely didnt shoot you because he kept talking about wanting you to go over after he died
So when I miss on my bottom three shot, you eliminate the other two names.
Whoever you are. Visor, Ender, or Vulgard.
Is my wish, but, if youre town and I got your alignment wrong I can get others wrong.
so goddamn bullshit and selfish jfc
its not solitaire, you play with other people in the game
this is a goddamned team game pizza, you shouldve treated it like one.
if it comes down to it, ill vote ender, whatever
but there are other wolves in the game so people should be looking at other peope (besides me :curtain:)
let's say you are villager
why not something like ender/amy/kage/(hk/monty/maybeee boq)
i feel like you are either a villager going too down in the rabbit holes and making the game harder on himself or a wolf going for the YOLO. i am leaning the 2nd right now but WHO KNOWS
or it's also possible i am the villager on upside down world but if ender/amy are v/v idek what teams are possible, i think my top villagers +dya are all villagers a lot of the times
i think he definitely didnt shoot you because he kept talking about wanting you to go over after he died
i agree, you gotta be a buffoon to say to yeet visor if i die and then shoot me
pizza aint that dumb lol
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 19:36
im still angry about the way he played that
what the fuck was he thinking
If I'm guessing, that he would shoot a wolf, and probably that Raskolnikov's post would reveal who got shot.
let's say you are villager
why not something like ender/amy/kage/(hk/monty/maybeee boq)
i feel like you are either a villager going too down in the rabbit holes and making the game harder on himself or a wolf going for the YOLO. i am leaning the 2nd right now but WHO KNOWS
or it's also possible i am the villager on upside down world but if ender/amy are v/v idek what teams are possible, i think my top villagers +dya are all villagers a lot of the times
yes that is possible
but i keep getting pushback whenever i push against amy
csargo is the only one pushing kage with me
also + about lunching ender besides 1)hopefully getting us a wolf, 2) solving eod1wagons and 3)giving us lots of info on whats going on
is that if he is a wolf you get a free vulgard v peek
the main goal of wolfreading you all was to break people out of sleep killing ender and me (esp if ender is v which is possible, but feels pointless talking about cause hes just gonna die eithe rway)
i felt like people were just sleeping into killing me along with ender and its wrong
i just want people to talk about NOT ender and NOT me for a change
i just want people to talk about NOT ender and NOT me for a change
lettuce talk super briefly (cause i gotta go and i am already late lol) about dya and boq
imo dya was very villagery last couple of pages, i feel the renata/HK pushes are the "hipster" pushes dya makes as a villager where they think they latch onto something and go for it despite what everyone else thinks
how is this a villagery post lmao
its rubbish, there is no way she actually believes that
I kinda did, in the mindset I'm in right now. I havne't liked your comments since the shot at all. You seem personally offended by the idea of being read as scum for inadequate reasons, but like, that's not how town tends to react when that happens. At least it's not how I react. I don't sit around complaining; I have from probably two days before had an itemized list of everybody's who's thrown a nonsense push in my direction and have been scumreading them for it long since. You have like no energy focused that way. It's not like you ever pushed Taffy before, you just kind of complained about it. You're feel like your belief is that the bad pushes toward you are coming from villagers, and that's a wolf mindset.
You also are trying so hard to put together a PoE that doesn't include you or Vulgard or Ender and it just feels forced. You spent several posts begging for people to talk to you so you can be cleared, instead of just putting your head down and getting to work on solving on your own.
Then Dyachei, who's also been in my PoE, shows up, continues to have Ender in her scum pile despite Pizaa stuff (she was right on that I now think and I was wrong, but oh well), and engages with your push on Taffy in an encouraging sort of way.
So yeah. It's probably not, but please do forgive me that I thought so.
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 19:42
also + about lunching ender besides 1)hopefully getting us a wolf, 2) solving eod1wagons and 3)giving us lots of info on whats going on
is that if he is a wolf you get a free vulgard v peek
If I assume that both Ender and Visor are town, then Ender is by far being the most constructive today. For that alone I'd yeet Visor first.
boq idk
i am not the best boq reader. he has felt very chill this game and i havent really disagreed with anything he has said
i also think he defended a lot of people i think are villagers so that wins him points too
but clearly none of those things are impossible to fake as a wolf
If I'm guessing, that he would shoot a wolf, and probably that Raskolnikov's post would reveal who got shot.
I could swear he said somewhere that the flip would only reveal his role. Don't trust my memory though.
kage feels like someone who is gonna die to the villagers regardless of alignment
best i got is that he is not w/w with boq (probably)
renata you seems to have more experience with them than me and i have no clue what their wolf range is but if a random player was posting like they are this game i'd easily call them a villager and call it a day
for amy my only fear is dya villa reading them, maybe i should respect dya's read more. but besides that i think they have been wolfy (tho not excessively so) and they fit like a glove in an ender!wolf world
when? i genuinely dont remember this ever being a thing
which game?
(i mean i am sure you can find one where i did it but it's a pretty uncharitable interpretation of my post considering that you should know i make posts like that plenty as villa too)
dunno friendo, your read on me really dosn't look real :stare:
also can you answer this?
cause i feel like you said generic things that simply aren't true
reskimming monty iso mega quick i could also see him being a wolf
kinda weird him/kage have got so little heat considering they'd be the 2 easiest target (no offense)
i liked a couple of minor points from monty but really nothing i care to hang onto when there is so many villagery people
alrighty thats all from me
i'll try to pop in for eod
i think visor is right regardless of alignment that we gotta talk about rest of players too
i still don't get how visor could possibly think i am overexplaining stuff this game
i feel i have never explained so little lol i almost feel guilty for it
i just want people to talk about NOT ender and NOT me for a change
I mean, a few hours ago you were complaining about everybody NOT talking about you. Specifically, that they were wolf reading you without engaging with your posts. Now that they are engaging with your posting, you have a problem with that.
reskimming monty iso mega quick i could also see him being a wolf
kinda weird him/kage have got so little heat considering they'd be the 2 easiest target (no offense)
i liked a couple of minor points from monty but really nothing i care to hang onto when there is so many villagery people
This is true. I kind of don't trust gamestate reads even when I have them so I'm going to stop there.
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 20:00
Ender (4): Renata, Ladd, Boquise, Vulgard
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Taffy
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Taffy (1): Visor
I hate everything about toDay.
Totally not Taffy
12-09-2022, 20:11
I hate everything about toDay.
Do you agree with Ladd's assessment of Kagemusha and Montmorency? (p1771 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838393&viewfull=1#post2053838393))
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:12
the last game i played with him (last month) he pushed his thoughts and tried to get people to elim with him. he was absolutely convinced his reads were right. he's not doing that here
What the fuck was the Logic wagon then?
Hello tbh
Gonna phone post for a while
rip
Ampharos
Boquise
back a brother up
What
Boquise do you have outstanding questions for me from d1 I didnt answer?
Keep getting bleepin distracted from reading due to real life.
I know youve got d2 questions i didnt get to.
Nah only got a D1 question where I thought you were being inconsistent. Lemme find it for you tbh
Amy is a tone read for me (much like AM is). I can't explain it well, i just think her tone is her villager tone. I think hedging is NAI for Amy
The last time I trusted Dya on their lock reads, it ended up being the correct call. So I will trust that Dya and Amy are strictly the same alignment - either v/v or w/w tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:20
There are too many people coming up with reasons for them all to be wolves.
But I legit feel like people are just making shit up on me.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:21
Ladd calling out Visor's posts as wolfy but continuing to vote me is an interesting mood
Askthepizzaguy has died suddenly. He flips vanilla town.
You may proceed.
Oh
Never mind then
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:22
Taffy could be snowing me, she's done it before. But even the fact that her handling of me since the shot is better for town than wolves comparatively is just yea
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:25
All the "muddled before firing" doesn't change that atpg asked me if I could lead town if I was lock cleared but never asked anyone else.
And I think that should lock it in.
I think that everyone who didn't pick a person and go all in to defend them of vul/me played the shot wrong.
I think vaguely shooting between 2 players is good mech and everyone shitting on pizza for it needs to shut the fuck up. But I also think it requires town to play along after he dies.
Visor as town usually insults my game and says I am playing badly when I go against consensus and stuff, or when I am being wishy-washy. Especially when I shade, scum read and vote him tbh
In this game Visor is a mate I can throw a bbq party and pop some cold ones with tbh.
Let's see if Visor can muster that tone here or if it will sound like an imitation tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:26
And I'm awake at 6am because fuck if I know sitting on this forum because I am irritated and staring at the sky as if it can gimme answers.
how is this a villagery post lmao
its rubbish, there is no way she actually believes that
Tho this post sounds like town Visor tbh
smh smh decisions decisions
And I'm awake at 6am because fuck if I know sitting on this forum because I am irritated and staring at the sky as if it can gimme answers.
Do you want a hug tbh?
Visor as town usually insults my game and says I am playing badly when I go against consensus and stuff, or when I am being wishy-washy. Especially when I shade, scum read and vote him tbh
In this game Visor is a mate I can throw a bbq party and pop some cold ones with tbh.
Let's see if Visor can muster that tone here or if it will sound like an imitation tbh
when have i insulted ur game (nonlovingly)
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:29
I think there have been some uncharitable meta takes I don't like being thrown about this game. On me as well as not.
I think the take "you have villagery fire" is a take that forces good players to burn themselves out to match their meta or be shrug yeeted for stupid reasons.
HK and Visor could be wolves outside that but that read is basically the reason Thunal got scumread in the team game I played alongside her and it's the most frustrating experience because you're trying to force something that just isn't there when you just wanna relax.
when have i insulted ur game (nonlovingly)
When i have pushed you tbh
And when i pushed someone you thought were obvious villa
Uuuh the game where Beck and I almost yeeted AM at end game out of annoyance knowing that Amy was scum tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:30
Do you want a hug tbh?
Sometimes
I think there have been some uncharitable meta takes I don't like being thrown about this game. On me as well as not.
I think the take "you have villagery fire" is a take that forces good players to burn themselves out to match their meta or be shrug yeeted for stupid reasons.
HK and Visor could be wolves outside that but that read is basically the reason Thunal got scumread in the team game I played alongside her and it's the most frustrating experience because you're trying to force something that just isn't there when you just wanna relax.
I am feeling this on a deep emotional level tbh
When i have pushed you tbh
And when i pushed someone you thought were obvious villa
Uuuh the game where Beck and I almost yeeted AM at end game out of annoyance knowing that Amy was scum tbh
Like I have been legit nervous previously to play games with you Visor because I feel like I will get mangled lmao tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:31
I am feeling this on a deep emotional level tbh
I hope my wolfread came off as intended about how you treated the Logic wagon d1
I mean, a few hours ago you were complaining about everybody NOT talking about you. Specifically, that they were wolf reading you without engaging with your posts. Now that they are engaging with your posting, you have a problem with that.
oh fuck off renata
i was specifically talking about people talking ABOUT me rather than TO me being a problem
you read the post, dont be a cunt
at this point in today ender and I (and vulgard too tbh) have been major talking points, and there are other players in the game worth talking about
both of those things can individually be a problem
a) people talking about me rather than to me (to try and figure out my alignment)
b) people talking solely about a select group of people instead of a wider range
why do you have to be such a passive aggressive nit, fuck
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:33
I'm going to yeet Visor today if I can because I promised Pizza.
I don't like how Ladd or Vulgard treated the shot.
Especially Vul who promised to help yeet Visor if he lived but then turned around while Pizza was fresh in the grave.
also + about lunching ender besides 1)hopefully getting us a wolf, 2) solving eod1wagons and 3)giving us lots of info on whats going on
is that if he is a wolf you get a free vulgard v peek
What lots of info will we learn with an Ender flip? ladd
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:35
Next time I join a casual game someone remind me to be actually casual =P
I hope my wolfread came off as intended about how you treated the Logic wagon d1
I have not read it so idk tbh
My handle of Logic was the correct one tho
Boq scooooooores
Next time I join a casual game someone remind me to be actually casual =P
People should be like me tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:36
Ladd is wolf and I think with Visor based on how neither wants Visir to flip. Or is that prefliopy ego talking? Idk
Ladd is wolf and I think with Visor based on how neither wants Visir to flip. Or is that prefliopy ego talking? Idk
Ladd said he was leaning on Visor wolf tho
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:37
I'm going back to sleep
lettuce talk super briefly (cause i gotta go and i am already late lol) about dya and boq
imo dya was very villagery last couple of pages, i feel the renata/HK pushes are the "hipster" pushes dya makes as a villager where they think they latch onto something and go for it despite what everyone else thinks
Oi what about me then tbh
I'm going back to sleep
/Rood
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:37
Ladd said he was leaning on Visor wolf tho
And yet he never stops voting me. :thinking:
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:38
Oh thinking is an emoji here lel
boq idk
i am not the best boq reader. he has felt very chill this game and i havent really disagreed with anything he has said
i also think he defended a lot of people i think are villagers so that wins him points too
but clearly none of those things are impossible to fake as a wolf
Oh you did tbh
Carry on
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:39
Like "but Ladd said Visor was a wolf."
Ladd called me wolf when we were w/w on d1 but never really pushed me.
ill prob vote ender closer to eod
but i do want people to talk about kage some more, i think his narrow focus on hollowkatt is getting a little old at this point, and im not sure hes really cared about any the questions hes asked
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:40
There's a non-0 chance my reads are off here.
Because I'm annoyed and that colours my reads.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:40
ill prob vote ender closer to eod
but i do want people to talk about kage some more, i think his narrow focus on hollowkatt is getting a little old at this point, and im not sure hes really cared about any the questions hes asked
Why
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:42
Should I legacy an "insta-yeet Ladd" for everyone to ignore too?
Reading page 58 or something and Visor doesn't seem to be in control of the situation or the thread. I reckon he as scum would stay composed? Maybe I am just spouting fiction here, but it is my gut speaking now tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 20:42
Okay actually curling back up now. Snark to recommence in like 3 hours
the last game i played with him (last month) he pushed his thoughts and tried to get people to elim with him. he was absolutely convinced his reads were right. he's not doing that here
This is the second shallow scum read i have seen from you Dya (first being your Vulgard read) tbh
me and at least one of the blokes in the death pool of ender vulgard
cmon man i need more than just feel good, explain why taffy could easily be v, explain to me why it doesnt stand out to you?
taffy was in the 10er recent game here, caleld me socially awkward d1 and pushed hard for their beliefs as v, they have approximately zero of that in this game
I did say I'd look at them again, i.e. read it and get back to you. I don't really care about stuff I can't see in this thread, just like with logic's view of you d1. I think they've pushed their beliefs, I think they've poked and prodded for information, I think their reads and views all have depth and make sense to me. Feels like I can pretty easily follow their train of thought and why they're acting the way they are. I don't think your views here are valid for the most part. I don't think they've pushed anyone particular hard, but I don't really view that as a positive or negative without meta knowledge of their game tbh. I also kinda think the reason they woof read you was valid, not super good probably but I can see the point. There's very little from Taffy that makes me question my read honestly.
I've kinda just left you alone because thought you were just having fun ergo town. Hated your logic vote eod1, didn't think it made sense given what you'd said itt. I haven't really been able to follow what you're trying to accomplish, you just seem chaotic to me. Until recently it just seemed like you were just doing stuff to do stuff. Maybe I'm just dumb idk. I'd put you over before I'd ever put over Taffy tbh. I think you're more likely to be a woof than Taffy, maybe even ladd as well.
Why
because the wagons are between you and me
why else
Right now, sufficiently convinced that if I had a suicide vest you'd be the one coming with me.
Everything you've done today is what I expect a wolf to do. You're trying to undermine the people wolfreading you, to get people to engage with you and you alone so town isn't communicating with eachother, swell the thread by making jokes and meaningless posts, appealing to your friends hoping they'll keep you around out of friendship. Also:
(for the memes ~;) )
Logic used his remaining time to make one case on his strongest wolfread hoping town would follow him after the flip. Could I ask you to do the same?
What has Hollowkatt done today to go from fine to your strongest wolfread? Can you lay it out in detail please?
This was kinda my thought before re-entering the thread tho
I need to consult my beer can tbh
Do you agree with Ladd's assessment of Kagemusha and Montmorency? (p1771 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053838393&viewfull=1#post2053838393))
Not sure if this is a crosspost but yeah. They're both kind of coasting. GTH I go with Monty as wolf over Kage, half because Kage feels so artless in his lack of engagement and half because Visor likes Kage less.
LOCK CLEAR:
1. Visor
HOPEFULLY CLEAR:
10. Cape90
IS A CHANGED MAN
17. Kagemusha
PROBABLY SHOT
9. EnderWiggin
GET YOUR CLOWN SHOES ON PIZZA
12. Vulgard
IDKWHATIMDOINGDOG.JPG
5. Ampharos
13. Boquise
YALL NEED TO STEP UP 2: THE STREETS
2. Csargo
4. Montmorency
KILL DAY BEFORE F9 (hopefully villa)
15. Renata
THE SECRET IS YALL WRONG
11. Ladd
16. Totally not Taffy
7. dyachei
3. Hollowkatt
What made you change your mind on Kage? Iirc your most recent post about Kage was that he should be a vote
i gotta say this game doesnt feel so casual
i didnt notice it earlier cause i barely read lol
anyway this is where i am at, if i am wrong c'est la vie
i should be able to make eod
adieu
This reads more like town!ladd
I did say I'd look at them again, i.e. read it and get back to you. I don't really care about stuff I can't see in this thread, just like with logic's view of you d1. I think they've pushed their beliefs, I think they've poked and prodded for information, I think their reads and views all have depth and make sense to me. Feels like I can pretty easily follow their train of thought and why they're acting the way they are. I don't think your views here are valid for the most part. I don't think they've pushed anyone particular hard, but I don't really view that as a positive or negative without meta knowledge of their game tbh. I also kinda think the reason they woof read you was valid, not super good probably but I can see the point. There's very little from Taffy that makes me question my read honestly.
I've kinda just left you alone because thought you were just having fun ergo town. Hated your logic vote eod1, didn't think it made sense given what you'd said itt. I haven't really been able to follow what you're trying to accomplish, you just seem chaotic to me. Until recently it just seemed like you were just doing stuff to do stuff. Maybe I'm just dumb idk. I'd put you over before I'd ever put over Taffy tbh. I think you're more likely to be a woof than Taffy, maybe even ladd as well.
villagery post
What made you change your mind on Kage? Iirc your most recent post about Kage was that he should be a vote
that was mostly just because of pizzas read on him tbh (though the real aim of that post was to get people talking about the players in the bottom section because its such the opposite of the thread state).
(i do actually think there are wolfy things about ladd and taffy, but on reflection im willing to let them go for now (and just kill ender, hope hes a wolf and see what d3 brings)).
I think there have been some uncharitable meta takes I don't like being thrown about this game. On me as well as not.
I think the take "you have villagery fire" is a take that forces good players to burn themselves out to match their meta or be shrug yeeted for stupid reasons.
HK and Visor could be wolves outside that but that read is basically the reason Thunal got scumread in the team game I played alongside her and it's the most frustrating experience because you're trying to force something that just isn't there when you just wanna relax.
Do you have an opinion on Visor's play that's not just complaining that other people aren't trying to read him in the right way? (Basically the same as he keeps doing himself?)
I'll give you a prompt, what do you think of him writing me off as "self resolves" one line above the wolf reads in his last list.
cause you are easily my top wolf
if you got desperado'd and pizza didnt claim it itt it sucks but what can you do
again no offense but if pizza wanted to be followed maybe he should have palyed this correct
Mmmmh
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Vulgard
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Boquise
HK (2): Kagemusha, Taffy
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Amy (1): Visor
:bow:
Interesting
Pizza's vote still remains tbh
Havent shot yet.
Hm
Well it isn't weird that Ender thinks he got shot at least judging by these snap responses
Ive got them all in the bottom of my pile. Some may not be wolf wolf.
Like, if it's Visor, then it can still be ender. If it's Ender, if can still be visor. If it's one, it might not be the other.
I do not think my bottom three are all misses.
So when I miss on my bottom three shot, you eliminate the other two names.
Whoever you are. Visor, Ender, or Vulgard.
Is my wish, but, if youre town and I got your alignment wrong I can get others wrong.
Ready?
Thing is
I kinda town read both ender and vulgard atm tbh
I think I'm going to kill Enderwiggin today after I kill Vulgard.
Hmmm
I thought you were a wolf this morning, and I really don't believe Asks shot you. At this point I think you are the correct yeet regardless of your alignment because you're never going to be able to completely townclear yourself. But at least if you flip cop we know Montmorency's a wolf so that's good.
I do think you're in a shit position tbh, best thing I can suggest is that if your reads have changed since this morning say how and why in case you flip green?
I do kinda dislike this post. I think if Visor's town then people would be able to find him and I just think the arguments bad. I just don't like the sentiment of it.
Who cares, I'll be too dead to actually yeet them for it if I shot you, wouldn't I?
What is this undermining my confidence ploy you're doing right now?
Why would you care at all about how I'm about to remove myself from play and stop accusing those people I am falsely associating with you and you as well?
This is a good point though
He's not trying to get townreads and doesn't know whats going on and isnt involved in creating a narrative.
He can he a disconnected and Ignore strategy wolf at best.
Until he does stuff that is wolfy someone can explain to me, he's town, especially because I have six wolves and there are only four.
Unvote
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 21:18
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (3): Cape, Visor, Boq
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy
Tx Boquise (for reminding me about pizza's vote)! You get a cookie.
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 21:19
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy
argl, ninjaed by Boq
EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly
vote: boq
come do something interesting
also dya is still on my chopping block today. Visor, Taffy, Ender, Cape, Csargo all probably not.
Ergh
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy
argl, ninjaed by Boq
EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly
Rekt
Oh pizza's vote was a remnant of the past
Cookies are cool
I have thoughts that need to be marinated in brooding silence tbh
Vote: Ender
see yall tomorrow
that was mostly just because of pizzas read on him tbh (though the real aim of that post was to get people talking about the players in the bottom section because its such the opposite of the thread state).
(i do actually think there are wolfy things about ladd and taffy, but on reflection im willing to let them go for now (and just kill ender, hope hes a wolf and see what d3 brings)).
Mmh okay
I feel like it is such a high placement of him just for that, to then suggest voting him. And you didn't follow my vote. Why?
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (3): Cape, Visor, Boq
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy
Tx Boquise (for reminding me about pizza's vote)! You get a cookie.
I am fucking stupid
Sorry Visor
Mmh okay
I feel like it is such a high placement of him just for that, to then suggest voting him. And you didn't follow my vote. Why?
it wasnt a serious placement
let's say you are villager
why not something like ender/amy/kage/(hk/monty/maybeee boq)
i feel like you are either a villager going too down in the rabbit holes and making the game harder on himself or a wolf going for the YOLO. i am leaning the 2nd right now but WHO KNOWS
or it's also possible i am the villager on upside down world but if ender/amy are v/v idek what teams are possible, i think my top villagers +dya are all villagers a lot of the times
I agree with this take, it's more or less how I feel.
I'm struggling to articulate my feelings and reads in this game, a lot. So I'll agree with whatever resembles my perspective the most.
I also find Renata's posting around the current time quite villagery.
I kinda did, in the mindset I'm in right now. I havne't liked your comments since the shot at all. You seem personally offended by the idea of being read as scum for inadequate reasons, but like, that's not how town tends to react when that happens. At least it's not how I react. I don't sit around complaining; I have from probably two days before had an itemized list of everybody's who's thrown a nonsense push in my direction and have been scumreading them for it long since. You have like no energy focused that way. It's not like you ever pushed Taffy before, you just kind of complained about it. You're feel like your belief is that the bad pushes toward you are coming from villagers, and that's a wolf mindset.
You also are trying so hard to put together a PoE that doesn't include you or Vulgard or Ender and it just feels forced. You spent several posts begging for people to talk to you so you can be cleared, instead of just putting your head down and getting to work on solving on your own.
Then Dyachei, who's also been in my PoE, shows up, continues to have Ender in her scum pile despite Pizaa stuff (she was right on that I now think and I was wrong, but oh well), and engages with your push on Taffy in an encouraging sort of way.
So yeah. It's probably not, but please do forgive me that I thought so.
This post in particular was something I quite liked. It has an aspect of truly believing that wolves are coordinating something in front of her. I don't think wolves are commonly able to fake this sort of thing, and in fact, they often simply don't come up with reads like this in the first place.
reskimming monty iso mega quick i could also see him being a wolf
kinda weird him/kage have got so little heat considering they'd be the 2 easiest target (no offense)
i liked a couple of minor points from monty but really nothing i care to hang onto when there is so many villagery people
I tried to talk about Monty a fair bit, I just haven't gotten any engagement on it.
I'm going to yeet Visor today if I can because I promised Pizza.
I don't like how Ladd or Vulgard treated the shot.
Especially Vul who promised to help yeet Visor if he lived but then turned around while Pizza was fresh in the grave.
I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.
Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.
Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.
The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.
I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.
I'm leaving my vote on Ender.
As mentioned before, I confirm myself tomorrow, so don't kill me. I don't confirm myself first thing tomorrow = you instakill me.
Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.
The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.
I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.
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Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 21:48
oh fuck off renata
i was specifically talking about people talking ABOUT me rather than TO me being a problem
you read the post, dont be a cunt
at this point in today ender and I (and vulgard too tbh) have been major talking points, and there are other players in the game worth talking about
both of those things can individually be a problem
a) people talking about me rather than to me (to try and figure out my alignment)
b) people talking solely about a select group of people instead of a wider range
why do you have to be such a passive aggressive nit, fuck
Visor. Dont talk like this to people in the Org, not in here.
I think Hollowkatt is just mafia.
vote: Hollowkatt
sure why not
the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.
Not an uncommon response to Pizza from wolves who can't cope with his weirdness. Hollowkatt never goes harder on him than this; it's very kid gloves.
if logic randed wolf I'm gonna laugh, and then ignore him and chop ender instead
Probably his best town post and I wouldn't be shocked if this was a major part of luvs town read.
none of this doesn't make sense so sure.
I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053836728&viewfull=1#post2053836728) only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.
The tone here, on the other hand, is horrible.
the thing about pizza I'm noticing in this game is he is almost entirely relying on mafia theory rather than exploring why players have said the things they've said. For example when he suses Ampharos it's about "wolfy phrasing" not necessarily about what Ampharos was talking about.
Likewise with Ender it is more about "what would a wolf do in this situation" not "why is Ender doing what he is doing" and on D1 that's not a super bad approach to the game. Aim a wide net and hope to catch something in it. As the game progresses though it starts to lose effectiveness.
I think Pizza can do this as town or wolf and unfortunately there aren't really context clues to indicate which team he's playing for. If he's town the wolves are likely laying low, trying to skate through today and working on a plan to eliminate him at night.
If he's a wolf the rest of the wolves are staying out of his way and letting him run the show. I think the best I'm going to do is judge him on results. Where does he vote, how do the wagons he's on flip, how do the wagons he is not on, or not interested in flip, that kind of thing.
This is such a perfectly accurate assessment of Pizza, immediately undermined by a couple paragraphs of stuff that means nothing and goes nowhere. None of this is ever followed up on.
Multiquote started bugging out on me after this, but to continue:
The vote on luvs was OK I guess, but there wasn't much to it either. Hollowkatt wasn't present for end of day and didn't give any opinion on the wagons (of which there's a reasonable chance right now were v/v) either before or after. His contribution today is extremely weak. Easily half the posts are on some kind of process or meta, or "why did the towny get nked" stuff. (And his take on that was a little weird. Next to nothing that looks like scumhunting.
Q1: probs you. partially because you brain dumped on the regular but also because if you're a baddie I think there's enough in the thread to start making a real assessment on your alignment. Today I think is really going to cement that.
I'll be sheeping luv
This was in response to ATPG's quiz show. Does it really make sense to sheep the dead guy you voted the previous day when your reason for voting him was that his reads didn't have any explanation? I mean maybe, but it sure does if Ender/Logic/Vulgard are all town and you're a wolf. (Not that Hollowkatt proceeded to vote in that pile so who knows.)
He voted Dya with little conviction, switched off of that onto Visor as a joke response to Visor's survivor claim, and now has switched off of Dya to Boquise also with no clear reason. He's just a wolf.
Peeps be puzzling with pizza reads but none seems to have taken mich note of his scum lean on Renata tbh
Switched off *Visor* to Boquise.
Kagemusha
12-09-2022, 21:54
ill prob vote ender closer to eod
but i do want people to talk about kage some more, i think his narrow focus on hollowkatt is getting a little old at this point, and im not sure hes really cared about any the questions hes asked
Please do elaborate. Concerning the questions i have not answered and the push from you and Csargo. You mean the day1 shitvote from Csargo with the lash emoji?
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 22:00
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Renata, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
EOD in 3 hours.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:03
taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward
ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)
i feel stronger about the first two, but can be convinced the later two are wrong
(perhaps an amy or boq replacement, along with someone else)
i dont actually think pizza shot me, given his comments, and ill be damned if ill let him try to control any moer of teh game, one of the most selfish games ive ever seen played and im shocked yall cant see that
i think he probably shot ender, (ill concede he could be right on vulgard being a wolf tbh)
wouldnt shock me if it was ladd/taffy/vulgard/x (x is amy/boq/hkatt..../monty? maybe csargo).
EnderWiggin
nut up pal
if I knew spooge was mac I'd have doubled down on the wolf read. He's used that play to pocket me several times in the last year. Not as much recently as we've talked about it in the last several months but it was long enough ago that I wouldn't put it past him to try that again.
I'm not super interested in chopping taffy today. vulgard, boq, amy, monty, dya sure
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Renata, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
EOD in 3 hours.
@Rasknolnikov didn't HK vote for Boquise? #1419
Raskolnikov previous post
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:07
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Renata, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
EOD in 3 hours.
I'm pretty sure I'm voting for boq unless this didn't count for some reason
vote: boq
come do something interesting
also dya is still on my chopping block today. Visor, Taffy, Ender, Cape, Csargo all probably not.
villagery post
Sorry if harsh, was just trying to lay my thoughts out plainly.
I'm pretty sure I'm voting for boq unless this didn't count for some reason
voting me is illegal tbh
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 22:11
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Renata, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
Visor (2): Ender, Taffy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
Boq (1): HK
Tx for the back up pals. (saw it but redacted)
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:12
voting me is illegal tbh
so is you being as not townie as you're being but I guess I'm the only one noticing it
so is you being as not townie as you're being but I guess I'm the only one noticing it
whats not townie with my posts tbh?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:13
probs won't be here for EOD so here's my obvs wolfy self-press vote on ender
vote: ender
probs won't be here for EOD so here's my obvs wolfy self-press vote on ender
vote: ender
i hope you are not planning to log off now because I want you to show me your teeth tbh
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 22:14
None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.
Question = "Who do you think could be wolf on Logic wagon."
My response = "I don't think there is (Because I townread a lot of them) BUT IF I WERE TO PICK A NAME IT WOULD BE IN THIS SUBSET."
So, why not just say "Vulgard or Visor from Logic wagon?" Which is where you've been today anyway. And you want to get on my case for nulls...
Also Vulgard is too onside with my viewpoints to honestly be scum.
Ugh.
Montmorency why was that your guess? any particular reason?
Vibes.
What lots of info will we learn with an Ender flip? ladd
Lots. Wagonomics. D2 interactions.
Oh thinking is an emoji here lel
Emoticon.
Peeps be puzzling with pizza reads but none seems to have taken mich note of his scum lean on Renata tbh
I'm not good at reading, but last I saw he was townleaning her.
Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.
The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.
I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.
I don't believe Mafia want to tunnel me at this point, because I am still limbait and there are more dangerous players around for them to clash with. Therefore I don't believe more than two of the leading wagons can be scum (or maybe HK is the counterwagon). Prove me wrong if you wish, I'm still kind of hoping you drop dead at EOD.
I think Hollowkatt is just mafia.
Deec post but I haven't a strong enough command to rule on the content one way or another.
Yes villager Monty, I explode today and kill others.
You being the last person to figure it out makes you town.
I don't think I was anywhere near the last to figure it out, if judging only thread content, and this isn't a good point of discrimination anyway.
So what's the score on Pizza, then? He straight-up failed 2 or even 3 desperado shots? How is that even possible? Are we sure it's not delayed?
Almost makes me hesitate on sheeping on Visor over Ender, but oh well #Trusttheplan Vote: Visor
This vote is wolfy, the reasons arent given late entry to the game.
Just sucks when townies dont know whats going on.
If this is a wolf I am grumpy because you need to play the game.
This one post threatens to wipe away all reasons I have to townread Renata completely.
The partner analysis here if Wiggin is a wolf is exactly as strong as the townread so far.
I want to believe this is just a really ill advised comment.
Askthepizzaguy
luvs2spooge
Logic
Montmorency
Cape90
Ampharos
Totally not Taffy
Kagemusha
Csargo - not with Katt
Boquise
Ladd
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Renata solely because of that godawful post about Ender.
dyachei can be bussing Ender
Hollowkatt- independently wolfy
EnderWiggin- I think your leans list is killing nothing but villagers for a very long time
Visor- incredibly wolfy game so far
Vulgard- trolling me, gaslit me, insulted me, entire iso is scumtells.
4 wolves in my bottom six names.
this isnt a town lean
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:18
whats not townie with my posts tbh?
you're posting like you're coasting
I was tempted to leave it there b/c rhymes and brevity but I figure I do at least owe you an answer that has meat on the bone.
The way you're posting is very reminiscent of someone who doesn't want to make a lot of waves, doesn't want to attract attention, and generally doesn't want to wade into anything complex or potentially outing. Your posting is very safe, basically.
I'm more accustomed to you having strong opinions on things even as you go back and forth about whether or not those opinions are correct to have but here you're very much "I'm going to do x thing..." and then immediately after, or even in the same post you're very much "the thing I've done has burned me before". Your opinions aren't all that strong and the way you're presenting them is basically "I could go along with this" and less "I believe thing to be correct"
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:20
i hope you are not planning to log off now because I want you to show me your teeth tbh
fishing for a wolf claim I see. Here's teeth: v--v
Montmorency ime it is a bit too classic to say "wagonomics" and "interactions" and then not elaborate. Idk how many times I have seen people yeet someone because "info yeet" and then go "oops" if they flip town then carry on, or go "sweet" if they flipped wolf (although this one is rarer). Or, if town, "this shows both wagons were fucked, wolves could take it easy" and then nothing else really happens
So what solving will you do, based on wagonomics and D2 interactions, will you do if Ender flips town? What specific D2 interactions are you thinking of?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:22
Montmorency ime it is a bit too classic to say "wagonomics" and "interactions" and then not elaborate. Idk how many times I have seen people yeet someone because "info yeet" and then go "oops" if they flip town then carry on, or go "sweet" if they flipped wolf (although this one is rarer). Or, if town, "this shows both wagons were fucked, wolves could take it easy" and then nothing else really happens
So what solving will you do, based on wagonomics and D2 interactions, will you do if Ender flips town? What specific D2 interactions are you thinking of?
I predict Monty will struggle to answer this in a meaningfully towny way
you're posting like you're coasting
I was tempted to leave it there b/c rhymes and brevity but I figure I do at least owe you an answer that has meat on the bone.
The way you're posting is very reminiscent of someone who doesn't want to make a lot of waves, doesn't want to attract attention, and generally doesn't want to wade into anything complex or potentially outing. Your posting is very safe, basically.
I'm more accustomed to you having strong opinions on things even as you go back and forth about whether or not those opinions are correct to have but here you're very much "I'm going to do x thing..." and then immediately after, or even in the same post you're very much "the thing I've done has burned me before". Your opinions aren't all that strong and the way you're presenting them is basically "I could go along with this" and less "I believe thing to be correct"
i think your analysis here is correct but with the wrong conclusion.
I am indeed coasting. Coasting in the sense that I am being low energy, and I have had some easy reads.
But I also think I have done some unsafe statements, like being a fence-sitter on Logic and concluding "he is being wolfy but last time I thought so he was town so I wont vote there" is the opposite of safe since it is a classic thing to get scum read for.
I also think it is a bit uh... to discredit my opinions and solving, is short-sighted? Idk how to explain. Like, I have done a pretty constant drive by solving. When I appear, I appear and start asking questions and solve. Then I go silent for several hours. Recency bias! Thats how it feels like tbh
Recency bias are mostly town oriented and it makes sense of you as town to have this point of view, given our last two games tbh
Unvote
I predict Monty will struggle to answer this in a meaningfully towny way
are you then implying that monty is a wolf or that my questions are unhelpful in solving monty tbh?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:26
i think your analysis here is correct but with the wrong conclusion.
I am indeed coasting. Coasting in the sense that I am being low energy, and I have had some easy reads.
But I also think I have done some unsafe statements, like being a fence-sitter on Logic and concluding "he is being wolfy but last time I thought so he was town so I wont vote there" is the opposite of safe since it is a classic thing to get scum read for.
I also think it is a bit uh... to discredit my opinions and solving, is short-sighted? Idk how to explain. Like, I have done a pretty constant drive by solving. When I appear, I appear and start asking questions and solve. Then I go silent for several hours. Recency bias! Thats how it feels like tbh
Recency bias are mostly town oriented and it makes sense of you as town to have this point of view, given our last two games tbh
Unvote
I'd rather be wrong for the right reasons than right for the wrong ones. With the former I can at least learn.
i have some strong opinions tho
havent wavered on cape and vulgard one bit tbh
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:27
i have some strong opinions tho
havent wavered on cape and vulgard one bit tbh
cape town vulgard wolf? That's how I'd divide them
cape town vulgard wolf? That's how I'd divide them
no, both town
probs won't be here for EOD so here's my obvs wolfy self-press vote on ender
vote: ender
do you think ender is town?
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 22:30
Montmorency ime it is a bit too classic to say "wagonomics" and "interactions" and then not elaborate. Idk how many times I have seen people yeet someone because "info yeet" and then go "oops" if they flip town then carry on, or go "sweet" if they flipped wolf (although this one is rarer). Or, if town, "this shows both wagons were fucked, wolves could take it easy" and then nothing else really happens
So what solving will you do, based on wagonomics and D2 interactions, will you do if Ender flips town? What specific D2 interactions are you thinking of?
That's all for consideration later. And don't @ me when I'm right here in the thread.
Pizza noted numerous times that he thought of Renata as "village." I'm not going to fish for all of them. I of course don't feel great about Renata, but I don't like you misrepresenting dead-Pizza.
This vote is wolfy, the reasons arent given late entry to the game.
Just sucks when townies dont know whats going on.
If this is a wolf I am grumpy because you need to play the game.
This one post threatens to wipe away all reasons I have to townread Renata completely.
The partner analysis here if Wiggin is a wolf is exactly as strong as the townread so far.
I want to believe this is just a really ill advised comment.
I currently think she is a villager who doesn't know what she's doing as there hasn't been any useful info so she's grasping at a lot of names she doesn't trust and doesn't have a reason to make a big towncore because that's not her style even though that is the current meta for MU players is building big towncores.
Yeah this is Renata pointing out Vulgard is a wolf, because Vulgard wrote something a townie never writes and said it like it was a sincere thing.
I predict Monty will struggle to answer this in a meaningfully towny way
Correct.
you're posting like you're coasting
I was tempted to leave it there b/c rhymes and brevity but I figure I do at least owe you an answer that has meat on the bone.
The way you're posting is very reminiscent of someone who doesn't want to make a lot of waves, doesn't want to attract attention, and generally doesn't want to wade into anything complex or potentially outing. Your posting is very safe, basically.
I'm more accustomed to you having strong opinions on things even as you go back and forth about whether or not those opinions are correct to have but here you're very much "I'm going to do x thing..." and then immediately after, or even in the same post you're very much "the thing I've done has burned me before". Your opinions aren't all that strong and the way you're presenting them is basically "I could go along with this" and less "I believe thing to be correct"
This is true of both of you. I think of the two of you, Boquise shows a little more life.
That's all for consideration later. And don't @ me when I'm right here in the thread.
Pizza noted numerous times that he thought of Renata as "village." I'm not going to fish for all of them. I of course don't feel great about Renata, but I don't like you misrepresenting dead-Pizza.
Correct.
I am noticing aggression coming out from nowhere with you tbh
Like
How should I know that you are in the thread? You have been inactive previously. Sorry, I don't have a Monty signal to know when I can and can't @ you tbh. But alright, fair enough. But if Ender flips town and you do absolutely nothing meaningful with the flip I will tunnel you until you flip, with gloves off.
I missed those posts, but I do not think I misrepresented Pizza. He pointed out something that he found wolfy on Renata. This was ignored. He then walked it back, but he still had that pov for a time tbh.
Montmorency that was Pizza's legacy on me in the end, one post from EoD1 that he didn't like.
I'm OK with Boquise fishing for reactions to that read. It all depends what he does with it.
on d1 i asked a question to pizza when he was posting but he missed it and only responded later on d2 when i wasnt around
like wtf
Also if you are unable to show a single interaction/connection right now that should be interesting come a flip, then I am convinced you have none of them right now.
Montmorency that was Pizza's legacy on me in the end, one post from EoD1 that he didn't like.
I'm OK with Boquise fishing for reactions to that read. It all depends what he does with it.
cheeky with the @ button are you tbh
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:41
no, both town
spicy on vulgard. what makes him town for you?
cheeky with the @ button are you tbh
I'm terrible.
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 22:44
I am noticing aggression coming out from nowhere with you tbh
Like
How should I know that you are in the thread? You have been inactive previously. Sorry, I don't have a Monty signal to know when I can and can't @ you tbh. But alright, fair enough.
I missed those posts, but I do not think I misrepresented Pizza. He pointed out something that he found wolfy on Renata. This was ignored. He then walked it back, but he still had that pov for a time tbh.
Because I had just posted minutes before and it's EOD.
Don't take it too harshly.
But if Ender flips town and you do absolutely nothing meaningful with the flip I will tunnel you until you flip, with gloves off.
Fine.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:44
do you think ender is town?
kinda yeah. the person I really want I don't think i'm getting today but fuck it I'll ball
vote: dya
spicy on vulgard. what makes him town for you?
his d1 reactions and how he chose to make reads
i do have a minus point for him though - he instantly town read me for the player salad stuff and said it made sense towards Amy, when it should have been obvious I was copy pasting a Sloonei post from a past game tbh
and well
i do think amy's post was a bit of a salad
so then i understood vulgard a bit more, he even started to base a bit of his amy read on my point
10 minutes have gone and a chance to duel with Monty has been put on hold tbh
sad
kinda yeah. the person I really want I don't think i'm getting today but fuck it I'll ball
vote: dya
heres the thing
if you think vulgard is scum, you should see ender as cleared.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:48
That's all for consideration later. And don't @ me when I'm right here in the thread.
Pizza noted numerous times that he thought of Renata as "village." I'm not going to fish for all of them. I of course don't feel great about Renata, but I don't like you misrepresenting dead-Pizza.
Correct.
you are correct yes
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:49
heres the thing
if you think vulgard is scum, you should see ender as cleared.
I mean I was pretty clear when I said I was self-pressing on ender and that I was unlikely to make EOD
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 22:52
This is true of both of you. I think of the two of you, Boquise shows a little more life.
how much of that is b/c I'm basically here for SOD and maybe a bit of EOD and boq is here for longer stretches and while more people are here doing stuff? something something recency bias (I stole that from boq don't hate me)
No, it was based on the content of what you both posted throughout. I iso'ed Boquise earlier today and you just now. I could be wrong but that's mafia, right?
Also think your interaction with Visor, such as it is, is highly possible to be w/w.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 22:56
I'm awake again, and will be around in a vague sense until EOD.
Time to yell at my glass box and see if people take notice now.
Like you both decided to self-pres onto Ender as opposed to each other.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 22:57
Pizza's sus on Renata was directly linked to a post he thought was sus if I flip wolf.
I have the unique perspective in this town that it mean nothing.
Renata is town.
Pizza agreed with me.
I would be surprised if between it all Renata managed to fool us both to the point that the only sus either Pizza or I brought to Renata was a post that Pizza paired with me.
some worlds i have been thinking of:
ladd disregards pizza maybe shooting Ender for the sake of his own read on Ender.
Visor loudly declaring that both he and ender are town
both discrediting Pizza's play. Visor more so.
I was thinking of ladd's possible scum motivations versus town motivations
If ladd is scum, Ender is always town. He is trying to ignore some semi-mech and make the thread do so to get an "impossible" yeet, as in, getting a cleared Ender chopped. This is within ladd's wolf range. However, would he be so direct with it? Not walking towards it carefully? Instead of TMIing Ender town by simply mentally eliminating him as a possible target and go for someone else?
Like if both Visor and Ender are town, and ladd is scum, he could just as easily park on Visor tbh
Or ladd is town and just really really believes in his scum read and will go for it over the semi-mech stuff. He is however not pleading for people to follow him because he is so sure, instead he goes ciao eventually and c'est la vie.
I think by occam's razors, ladd is town tbh. It is way more similar to his modus operandi as town than scum tbh.
I think Visor as scum needs to belittle pizza's play and move the focus elsewhere from the semi-mech. It is interesting though that Visor wants to move it away from all three of him, vulgard and ender tbh. However, as town I expect him to play similarly, so it is a tough cookie tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 22:58
I'll point out that lots of people sussed Visor earlier if I am not making things up in my head, I'll try and verify this but like...
If I'm right then so many sussed Visor and then like no one's willing to go through with it now.
This is a very common scumtell tbh.
I mean I was pretty clear when I said I was self-pressing on ender and that I was unlikely to make EOD
i just think that if you think a player is town cleared, you should yell a little more about it tbh
You in particular have taken no notice of him whatsoever other than the since-retracted joke vote on his survivor claim. You're still sticking with the vague dya/boq idea from earlier today as if the thread has done nothing in the interim.
how much of that is b/c I'm basically here for SOD and maybe a bit of EOD and boq is here for longer stretches and while more people are here doing stuff? something something recency bias (I stole that from boq don't hate me)
it is ok as long as you admit to my excellency tbh
I'll point out that lots of people sussed Visor earlier if I am not making things up in my head, I'll try and verify this but like...
If I'm right then so many sussed Visor and then like no one's willing to go through with it now.
This is a very common scumtell tbh.
For who?
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 22:59
I'mma be honest, if Ladd and Visor are both also town then I am never getting there.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:00
For who?
Visor.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:01
As much as I hate Vul's reaction to the death and lack of going through with what he said to Pizza I still think he's town.
Maybe I'm 5ft under snow but eh.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:01
No, it was based on the content of what you both posted throughout. I iso'ed Boquise earlier today and you just now. I could be wrong but that's mafia, right?
Also think your interaction with Visor, such as it is, is highly possible to be w/w.
due diligence, that's fair cool
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:02
taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward
ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)
i feel stronger about the first two, but can be convinced the later two are wrong
(perhaps an amy or boq replacement, along with someone else)
i dont actually think pizza shot me, given his comments, and ill be damned if ill let him try to control any moer of teh game, one of the most selfish games ive ever seen played and im shocked yall cant see that
i think he probably shot ender, (ill concede he could be right on vulgard being a wolf tbh)
wouldnt shock me if it was ladd/taffy/vulgard/x (x is amy/boq/hkatt..../monty? maybe csargo).
EnderWiggin
nut up pal
Why'd you self pres onto me instead of onto HK when that wagon came along?
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 23:02
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Renata
Visor (3): Ender, Taffy, Monty
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
Dya (1): HK
EOD in 2 hours peeps
town:
cape,
vulgard
renata
ladd
maybe ender
maybe hk
dya and amy are merged. They are strictly v/v or w/w and I will die on this hill.
unsure of:
visor, monty, kage, taffy
i think these are all the players?
ladd is unpaired with both ender and visor btw imo tbh
renata is unpaired with visor (unless what transpired before was a whole theatric spiel)
visor is also unpaired with cape due to trying to fish votes on him during d1
I know Ender effectively has one more vote on him from Hollowkatt (coming from offwagon).
vote: Visor
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:06
Like you both decided to self-pres onto Ender as opposed to each other.
when I voted ender was the only person I could even get into a tie with. Boq pressed me on did I really wolf read ender and the answer is no, I don't which is why I said fuck it I'm voting dya and leaving it there. If I get joiners great, if I don't and die that's mafia yeah?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:07
when I voted ender was the only person I could even get into a tie with. Boq pressed me on did I really wolf read ender and the answer is no, I don't which is why I said fuck it I'm voting dya and leaving it there. If I get joiners great, if I don't and die that's mafia yeah?
like I don't need to be alive for town to win the game, all that needs to happen is we kill wolves faster than we lose townies
Because I had just posted minutes before and it's EOD.
Don't take it too harshly.
Fine.
alrightie then.
mmmmh i am moving up hk to town
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:08
You in particular have taken no notice of him whatsoever other than the since-retracted joke vote on his survivor claim. You're still sticking with the vague dya/boq idea from earlier today as if the thread has done nothing in the interim.
visor can absolutely be a wolf. is that enough notice?
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Renata
Visor (3): Ender, Taffy, Monty
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
Dya (1): HK
EOD in 2 hours peeps
monty, why are you voting visor if you believe that an ender yeet is good for the game state?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:10
town:
cape,
vulgard
renata
ladd
maybe ender
maybe hk
dya and amy are merged. They are strictly v/v or w/w and I will die on this hill.
unsure of:
visor, monty, kage, taffy
i think these are all the players?
ladd is unpaired with both ender and visor btw imo tbh
renata is unpaired with visor (unless what transpired before was a whole theatric spiel)
visor is also unpaired with cape due to trying to fish votes on him during d1
i take it all back boq is town and the reason is he's cutting off a lot of easy chops that wolf boq doesn't need to cut off. myself, ender, vulgard, ladd, all people he could get chops on. the unsure bucket tracks with how they're thinking about the thread as well.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:11
I know Ender effectively has one more vote on him from Hollowkatt (coming from offwagon).
vote: Visor
vote: visor
nobody tells me how to vote! I'm a monster, I vote by surprise!
Vote:Visor
oh i forgot about you tbh
sorry
i have csargo as town tbh
visor can absolutely be a wolf. is that enough notice?
It'll do for now.
oh i forgot about you tbh
sorry
i have csargo as town tbh
His posts today have been good I think.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:13
[QUOTE=Vulgard;2053838476I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.
Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.[/QUOTE]
Sure I've been spending 50% of my time being snarky about the reads on me, but I've actively tried to do things outside this. I have been low activity because I have an irl.
I also made a Boq mini-case earlier today.
I also put out multiple thoughts/reads outside that which had nothing to do with myself.
And yes that write-off as different alignments is stupid because people individually react differently. And both Amy and I probably have different ways of reacting even if we were wolves together.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:14
I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.
Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.
Sure I've been spending 50% of my time being snarky about the reads on me, but I've actively tried to do things outside this. I have been low activity because I have an irl.
I also made a Boq mini-case earlier today.
I also put out multiple thoughts/reads outside that which had nothing to do with myself.
And yes that write-off as different alignments is stupid because people individually react differently. And both Amy and I probably have different ways of reacting even if we were wolves together.
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 23:14
monty, why are you voting visor if you believe that an ender yeet is good for the game state?
I reiterate, #trusttheplan
I have faith that half the mafia team will be dead at EOD.
The sudden wagon activity on Visor is meeting my scrutiny however.
His posts today have been good I think.
they have also been isolated from current events of the thread. Basically approaching the game similar to me tbh
like when there was an argument before csargo popped up with a constructive post on something completely different tbh
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 23:15
The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:15
I do now think that Boq case may have been off the mark, but it exists as proof I've put effort into trying to solve and it's annoying for people to say "You've just defended!" when it's provable I haven't just defended.
And yes this is me posting about sus on me again.
I reiterate, #trusttheplan
I have faith that half the mafia team will be dead at EOD.
The sudden wagon activity on Visor is meeting my scrutiny however.
mmm yeah the pizza plan tbh
yea maybe, however prior to the movements on visor, we were at a 3-way tie with votes also trending on not visor (like on hk). Sooner or later the tie needs to be broken tbh
wait he shot you? wat
If I was feeling ungenerous, I could assume Wiggin could be doing this to cover up
Wait you quoted Visor
I wouldn't put it past Visor's claim to be not real though even more so :laugh4:
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:17
The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?
If Visor is town then someone needs to openly claim shooting me as Desperado so we can get me clear so everyone can see it's been v/v wagons.
But I don't think Visor flips green.
i really should read the boq mini case tbh
it can be my bed-time story tbh
Vote Visor
this is where i will go tbh
Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.
He never asked Vul to lead the town.
Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.
Find anyone else he asks that of.
Anyone.
okay okay
I see you
You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.
Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.
You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.
You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.
You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.
You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?
You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.
You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:
You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.
That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.
this is a reason i town read vulgard @Hollowkat
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:20
i really should read the boq mini case tbh
it can be my bed-time story tbh
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837646&viewfull=1#post2053837646)
It was mostly because your stance of "Logic wagon good! But I'll never join it." felt weird to me.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:21
I think Amy is also wolf because the reads list was acting like she expected me to die and preparing to have to "revise" her reads when I died.
ladd looks wolfy on page 53 but that could just be me big braining myself into that read. IDK it felt like they were playing up their ignorance
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game?p=2053837646&viewfull=1#post2053837646)
It was mostly because your stance of "Logic wagon good! But I'll never join it." felt weird to me.
neat tbh
this is usually how town scum reads me tbh. Town is allergic to nuance tbh
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:22
The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?
ngl I think this is a good hot take
I think Amy is also wolf because the reads list was acting like she expected me to die and preparing to have to "revise" her reads when I died.
yea
amy is my biggest wolf read but I respect Dya's tone reads tbh. There are several examples where they have been correct and I have been wrong. Hence why I have decided that Dya and Amy are always the same alignment tbh
The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?
what does saving in the d2 spread mean?
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:24
Do you have an opinion on Visor's play that's not just complaining that other people aren't trying to read him in the right way? (Basically the same as he keeps doing himself?)
I'll give you a prompt, what do you think of him writing me off as "self resolves" one line above the wolf reads in his last list.
I LITERALLY SCUMREAD THE GUY.
I can scumread him while also saying "That is an uncharitable way to read him."
A read can be CORRECT while also being a TERRIBLE WAY TO READ.
Raskolnikov
12-09-2022, 23:24
Visor (7): Ender, Taffy, Monty, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:25
I'll find the reads list Renata mentioned and respond to it individually as well.
i have a spicy take i will share come D3 if i am still here tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:27
Not sure if this is a crosspost but yeah. They're both kind of coasting. GTH I go with Monty as wolf over Kage, half because Kage feels so artless in his lack of engagement and half because Visor likes Kage less.
I kinda vibe with this read.
Vote: Ender
I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.
I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?
it might be hypocritical to think this post is towny, but it is
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:28
because the wagons are between you and me
why else
...
I admit that "Why" was because I thought the comment about voting me come EOD was from Boq.
I blame being half awake at the time.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:29
it might be hypocritical to think this post is towny, but it is
I mean I also think it's towny despite being wrong.
ngl I think this is a good hot take
ngl I have no idea what that meant.
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:31
ngl I have no idea what that meant.
sometimes a hot take is rubbish and sometimes it's good. this is one of the good ones
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 23:32
Vote Visor
this is where i will go tbh
You were the one who posted today that Visor getting tilted was a towntell, right? I see that. On the other hand, he did fake-claim mason.
Saving in the case of a town-flip for Visor means if particularly Ender but even Kage, HK or Vulg is scum, then we have a couple mafia wagoning town-Visor right now.
It is of course possible that Visor-Ender are teamed, in which case it's just bussing.
I'll find the reads list Renata mentioned and respond to it individually as well.
When you do, keep in mind that he subsequently disclaimed most of it as just trying to get some new people into the mix of discussion.
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:33
Ladd said he was leaning on Visor wolf tho
Then why has he been so averse to actually voting Visor?
hollowkatt
12-09-2022, 23:33
anyways that's me for today gl town
sometimes a hot take is rubbish and sometimes it's good. this is one of the good ones
No, it was the something something d1 spread part that I didn't understand.
You were the one who posted today that Visor getting tilted was a towntell, right? I see that. On the other hand, he did fake-claim mason.
Saving in the case of a town-flip for Visor means if particularly Ender but even Kage, HK or Vulg is scum, then we have a couple mafia wagoning town-Visor right now.
It is of course possible that Visor-Ender are teamed, in which case it's just bussing.
yea
but i prefer visor over ender and i want to sheep pizza
i have also had reasons to vote visor tbh
EnderWiggin
12-09-2022, 23:36
I also want to say on review that I was also guilty of uncharitable meta takes on Logic. Not the "Lacking Villagery fire" take but I still shouldn't have taken the whole awkwardness tell to such levels just because I correctly called Logic town in the past.
Then why has he been so averse to actually voting Visor?
probably because you can only vote one person tbh
What are you're leans so far Renata on people? Or point me to post where you've talked about it, if you don't mind.
im not entirely sure
the game is hard to parse for me
lots of ppl feel wolfy
honestly, a lot of people feel kind of "middle of the pack"
like that type of vibe to me
LOCK CLEAR:
1. Visor
HOPEFULLY CLEAR:
10. Cape90
IS A CHANGED MAN
17. Kagemusha
PROBABLY SHOT
9. EnderWiggin
GET YOUR CLOWN SHOES ON PIZZA
12. Vulgard
IDKWHATIMDOINGDOG.JPG
5. Ampharos
13. Boquise
YALL NEED TO STEP UP 2: THE STREETS
2. Csargo
4. Montmorency
KILL DAY BEFORE F9 (hopefully villa)
15. Renata
THE SECRET IS YALL WRONG
11. Ladd
16. Totally not Taffy
7. dyachei
3. Hollowkatt
im not... cleared?
also i townread you on this page 55 my good visor i think
taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward
ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations
hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him
dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)
i feel stronger about the first two, but can be convinced the later two are wrong
(perhaps an amy or boq replacement, along with someone else)
i dont actually think pizza shot me, given his comments, and ill be damned if ill let him try to control any moer of teh game, one of the most selfish games ive ever seen played and im shocked yall cant see that
i think he probably shot ender, (ill concede he could be right on vulgard being a wolf tbh)
wouldnt shock me if it was ladd/taffy/vulgard/x (x is amy/boq/hkatt..../monty? maybe csargo).
EnderWiggin
nut up pal
i do not vibe with your reads for the most part though, like, at all
What are you're leans so far Renata on people? Or point me to post where you've talked about it, if you don't mind.
I don't think I can go back through a hundred posts for this purpose, not on this site.
Taffy, Cape town from earlier. Leaning town on Vulgard from posting today. Maybe Dya? I'm afraid of them. Town on you also from today.
Boquise probably town, Kage maybe, I don't really know. Monty a little below Kage.
Ladd, I don't know. I tend to like their posting when I read it (aside from the initial vote on Logic from day one) and then I get a little distance and don't like it as much. Nothing consolidated, not going to try today.
Hollowkatt, Visor wolf. Still reading Ender very hard as wolf outside of the more emotional posts, and have decided to suppress that.
Dya's tone read is the only thing keeping me from going back to Amy. In a vacuum I'd lynch her in a second.
Montmorency
12-09-2022, 23:58
Gravity takes effect. Every time I find a townie in my suspects pile or yeet a townie, that means a name goes to the top.
That pushes everyone else down. And if everyone else is going down, someone needs to be the new bottom name.
That means I iso every name and make sure I get the correct name.
I have been finding lots and lots and lots of wolves in my town pile ever since I began the shuffling process.
I have like 20 different processes I use, at least five regularly.
One of those processes correctly catches every wolf I have ever faced off against, because I have seen every wolf move, every wolf strategy, every tactic, every gambit.
I reread old games where wolves fooled me and I note exactly what they did to fool me and I create a process that identifies that move.
I usually already have a process that finds that move, but when I don't, a new process is added.
So I have about 20 processes, some of those used very rarely or situationally.
The complexity of my scum finding process is like the human immune system, it is designed to fight off many different kinds of pathogens and dangerous things, some things, certain parts of the immune system cannot handle. Other things, handle it better.
That's why there's such a complicated immune response. It generally keeps the host alive because ONE of those processes catches almost every disease.
One of my processes catches every wolf I've ever faced, every strategy I've seen. It is a question of if I am alive long enough to use all my processes on every person.
...
What I have is a very poor gut (serves me poorly in mashes and turbos) and a lot of experience based processes that do catch wolves if I have a lot of time.
...
If I was not polarized and there were not universal townreads on me every game and I played carefully and lived to day three, I would catch every wolf team.
Mainly because I catch most of, if not all, wolves if I ever exist on day three, and it's been the case for many years without exception.
26187
It's true, Pizza is only half-powered D2. But I want to believe.
I also crushed five mafia families and three serial killers and a cult in a massive game once by commanding the town PRs as a neutral. I killed all those scums as a sidequest. Wasnt even my victory condition, I was just scratching town's back for FUN.
Yeah, but he had that scum Lawyer he hinted at D1 this game. Possibly the only Mafia game in history won by a player who was (unsuccessfully) ousted three days in a row.
Sorry nope bro. Taffy is in the lightside of things in my books from what ive seen so far and so is ladd.
ladd's a strong wolf and there does lie my doubts, though i haven't fully caught up
maybe i should do so before EOD LOL
if we kill ender here, i am gonna be not happy
Raskolnikov
12-10-2022, 00:05
Visor (7): Ender, Taffy, Monty, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
EOD in 55 minutes
i think we should be killing outside of vlgard ender and me (no bias, honest)
if you cant confirm yourself tomorrows (esp with what i think ur saying)
then we can just kill you
but otherwise i think we should be killin gOUTSIDE that group
me agree
kage is right there
it's not hard
Remember,
Montmorency
Cape90
Ampharos
Totally not Taffy
Kagemusha
Csargo - not with Katt
Boquise
Upon my death I am sending a desperado shot to one of these names.
That's actually something that really happens, is i give the second shot away. That's not a gambit or a bluff either.
It won't be revealed when I die, just my role name, but yes, there is absolutely a second desperado shot.
ATPG had Kage as town I suppose...
And Montmorency who I was also thinking of thinking
kage feels like someone who is gonna die to the villagers regardless of alignment
best i got is that he is not w/w with boq (probably)
renata you seems to have more experience with them than me and i have no clue what their wolf range is but if a random player was posting like they are this game i'd easily call them a villager and call it a day
for amy my only fear is dya villa reading them, maybe i should respect dya's read more. but besides that i think they have been wolfy (tho not excessively so) and they fit like a glove in an ender!wolf world
hmm...
Vote: ladd
ill prob vote ender closer to eod
but i do want people to talk about kage some more, i think his narrow focus on hollowkatt is getting a little old at this point, and im not sure hes really cared about any the questions hes asked
I feel like they have had a narrow POV in general
Vote: Kage
I don't have much of a real scumread on ladd tbh and I misread the top part of the post i quoted earlier in voting ladd
Montmorency
12-10-2022, 00:16
It won't be revealed when I die, just my role name, but yes, there is absolutely a second desperado shot.
Also, yeah, I've never gotten over the VT flip. Was that ever adequately explained? I can't think of a mech reason for it.
Only person I'll go to other than Visor is Hollowkatt. I'm too tired to try to figure anybody else out today.
What made you change your mind on Kage? Iirc your most recent post about Kage was that he should be a vote
wait????
Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.
The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.
I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.
interesting
has amy like, come back at all?
Ladd or somebody suggested Pizza was given the desperado shot by somebody else, which doesn't quite square with Pizza's suggestion that he was softing PR from day one, but I'll go with it. Maybe Pizza was softing for some other reason, like just to WIFOM a doctor protect so he can live to day two for once.
HK might just be mafia
gaah
Ladd or somebody suggested Pizza was given the desperado shot by somebody else, which doesn't quite square with Pizza's suggestion that he was softing PR from day one, but I'll go with it. Maybe Pizza was softing for some other reason, like just to WIFOM a doctor protect so he can live to day two for once.
Given he flipped vt hard to think how else it played out
Dunno if I'll be around much for eod
Just a vt, all my claims were for silly
Gl all
i feel like there is 1 wolf in kage/hk so why not
Vote: hollowkatt
I liked Renata's page 62 case on HK
I don't believe Mafia want to tunnel me at this point, because I am still limbait and there are more dangerous players around for them to clash with. Therefore I don't believe more than two of the leading wagons can be scum (or maybe HK is the counterwagon). Prove me wrong if you wish, I'm still kind of hoping you drop dead at EOD.
wouldn't this thought process be the other way around? I feel like if you are limbait, then mafia would want to push on you, that makes a lot of sense to me
Only person I'll go to other than Visor is Hollowkatt. I'm too tired to try to figure anybody else out today.
Not ender?
you're posting like you're coasting
I was tempted to leave it there b/c rhymes and brevity but I figure I do at least owe you an answer that has meat on the bone.
The way you're posting is very reminiscent of someone who doesn't want to make a lot of waves, doesn't want to attract attention, and generally doesn't want to wade into anything complex or potentially outing. Your posting is very safe, basically.
I'm more accustomed to you having strong opinions on things even as you go back and forth about whether or not those opinions are correct to have but here you're very much "I'm going to do x thing..." and then immediately after, or even in the same post you're very much "the thing I've done has burned me before". Your opinions aren't all that strong and the way you're presenting them is basically "I could go along with this" and less "I believe thing to be correct"
i could almost agree with this actually. boq fell off today a little bit, post above this by him is still decent tbh
I predict Monty will struggle to answer this in a meaningfully towny way
NAI?
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