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Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 04:50
achro says they don't want to call katze an anime villain at least twice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547930631976517651/1138680626170568865/image.png
Visor
achro says they don't want to call katze an anime villain at least twice
It's true, as a fellow sufferer of 'your wolf range is infinite' I kind of hate that aspect sometimes. So I decided to give katze a fair shake.
They are an incredible wolf though and I was feeling CAGEY already after the first two votes.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 04:51
it's kinda funny how their poe d1 is pretty close to the lylo playerlist
except for v-reading winston for agreeing on katze!w (lol)
good v read, (maybe?) bad reason.
Winston is never with you in any world imo given treatment of them I think so kudos if you pulled that one off.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547930631976517651/1138680626170568865/image.png
Visor
i just realized that probably nobody actually gets the source image here except for me and MAYBE benneh?
...oh well i laughed making it
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 04:55
God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.
All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'
Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.
Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'
Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.
More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.
In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.
achro snap voted sk for his first couple posts and asked some softball follow up questions to try to get him to actually post more and engage with the thread while shading people for calling sk wolfy and weakly white knighting cape lmao
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 04:55
i just realized that probably nobody actually gets the source image here except for me and MAYBE benneh?
...oh well i laughed making it
i have no clue what this is
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 04:56
i have no clue what this is
i think it's a solar car
but upside down
achro snap voted sk for his first couple posts and asked some softball follow up questions to try to get him to actually post more and engage with the thread while shading people for calling sk wolfy and weakly white knighting cape lmao
Let me fix that for you.
Shaded people for not voting SK.
Also I know how to prod in wolf chat my dude.
As for SK day 1, sadly he got me with apparently one of his new favorite tricks which I went and checked out day 3. A skill issue to be sure.
i have no clue what this is
oh
in a team mafia game orangeandblack5 randed town 2 shot vig and took two terrible (in my teams opinion) vig shots to the point where we convinced ourselves that slot was never vig until we realized they had to be vig in which we fakeclaimed vig and they let us cover for them and then in team chat we were like "lol he cant take good vig shots cause hes picking up bitches in his solar car" because hes a solar car nerd
anyway heres the original image
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812505094129844275/812936930756657172/unknown.png
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:00
oh
in a team mafia game orangeandblack5 randed town 2 shot vig and took two terrible (in my teams opinion) vig shots to the point where we convinced ourselves that slot was never vig until we realized they had to be vig in which we fakeclaimed vig and they let us cover for them and then in team chat we were like "lol he cant take good vig shots cause hes picking up bitches in his solar car" because hes a solar car nerd
anyway heres the original image
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812505094129844275/812936930756657172/unknown.png
wish i didn't ask
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:00
Let me fix that for you.
Shaded people for not voting SK.
Also I know how to prod in wolf chat my dude.
As for SK day 1, sadly he got me with apparently one of his new favorite tricks which I went and checked out day 3. A skill issue to be sure.
point isn't the prodding it's the shit sk posts are kinda wolfy lemme ask questions and let him post words and people will probably see him as more v
it's a textbook wolf play
Hello SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.
102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?
As for Taffy first off way to shade my town sorting process, but also most would agree with the process I use to sort townirs being as you described so fair.
Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.
Now if this is stuff Taffy does all the time as a wolf someone will have to let me know.
Hmm
Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.
Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.
If Taffy does this type of thing as a wolf with proof then they haven't done much else and fair, but it would for sure never be my first thought to think wolf.
Wall was ok although not out of sk's scum range and catchup walls are kind of the easiest thing to fake. Good look if I am wrong about Taffy though as sk could have easily pivoted to me instead.
Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.
I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.
Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.
So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.
vote:silverkeith
Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.
my 'snap vote' of keith btw.
I kind of put a lot of thought into this lol
anyway benneh what do you think about this crossvote
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:02
snap referred to its actual meaningfulnes not how many words were appended
point isn't the prodding it's the shit sk posts are kinda wolfy lemme ask questions and let him post words and people will probably see him as more v
it's a textbook wolf play
Hmm, maybe. I kind of like what you did - ignore the slot for the majority of the day.
Avant Garde sort of wolfing, if I do say so.
the dichotomy of me explaining stupid memes and achro/cuth duking it out is really funny but i also feel bad for the potential villager in the cross
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:05
Hmm, maybe. I kind of like what you did - ignore the slot for the majority of the day.
Avant Garde sort of wolfing, if I do say so.
yeah it let him be wolfy without giving him stuff to reply to and write generically villagery stuff in response to so i could bus the shit out of him with my partner benneh for the entirety of d2 onwards and then win in lylo off the credit apparently
huge
the dichotomy of me explaining stupid memes and achro/cuth duking it out is really funny but i also feel bad for the potential villager in the cross
Don't, I am in good spirits. My brain broke but when my brain doesn't break I am actually really chill lol. If we lose this its nbd
I think I planned this well though. In v!Benneh worlds he simply always votes Cuth here since I am his top villager and he both agreed with my case on cuth yesterday and also suspected cuth before.
In w!benneh worlds, I think I also forced his hand because if he suddenly turns around and votes me then I hope that winston would find that very strange indeed.
So my cross today should be rather pain free, I think. It's f3 that's more scary in my estimation.
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:05
anyway benneh what do you think about this crossvote
honestly not sure
im withholding judgement til im slightly sober
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:07
i liked the part where i literally explained how literally what i literally posted in the past addressed every single reason you had to call me a wolf d3 and then you voted me and said i was making shit up
yeah it let him be wolfy without giving him stuff to reply to and write generically villagery stuff in response to so i could bus the shit out of him with my partner benneh for the entirety of d2 onwards and then win in lylo off the credit apparently
huge
tbh I'd have probably just bussed SK for being so absent and then won this game off the cred of that + ladd town reading me.
I don't usually bus day one in general as its not nice, but SK's a pro.
Katze also at least knows that what you are describing is really not in my wolf playbook - below skill floor as it were.
Although winston I am guessing will be the game's decider unless benneh does a super heel turn here lol
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:07
Don't, I am in good spirits. My brain broke but when my brain doesn't break I am actually really chill lol. If we lose this its nbd
I think I planned this well though. In v!Benneh worlds he simply always votes Cuth here since I am his top villager and he both agreed with my case on cuth yesterday and also suspected cuth before.
In w!benneh worlds, I think I also forced his hand because if he suddenly turns around and votes me then I hope that winston would find that very strange indeed.
So my cross today should be rather pain free, I think. It's f3 that's more scary in my estimation.
this stuff makes me want to snap vote lol
i liked the part where i literally explained how literally what i literally posted in the past addressed every single reason you had to call me a wolf d3 and then you voted me and said i was making shit up
Well, obviously I disagreed and was correct so I can't say I am sorry.
Your reasons lacked genuineness to me. Can't exactly be too sorry for being right lol
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:09
tbh I'd have probably just bussed SK for being so absent and then won this game off the cred of that + ladd town reading me.
I don't usually bus day one in general as its not nice, but SK's a pro.
Katze also at least knows that what you are describing is really not in my wolf playbook - below skill floor as it were.
Although winston I am guessing will be the game's decider unless benneh does a super heel turn here lol
below skill floor lmao
this stuff makes me want to snap vote lol
go ahead, I think you're a wolf atm anyway my dude.
If we lose, we lose, that's alright.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:10
Well, obviously I disagreed and was correct so I can't say I am sorry.
Your reasons lacked genuineness to me. Can't exactly be too sorry for being right lol
yeah well at least maybe you'll be able to feel proud for winning a game by blatantly not even trying to read posts
skill issue of me to try in the first place tbh
Although winston I am guessing will be the game's decider unless benneh does a super heel turn here lol
this stuff makes me want to snap vote lol
i lol'd
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:10
go ahead, I think you're a wolf atm anyway my dude.
If we lose, we lose, that's alright.
nah ill wait and not do anything on impulse
you've ceded all power to me so i can make both of you suffer
yeah well at least maybe you'll be able to feel proud for winning a game by blatantly not even trying to read posts
skill issue of me to try in the first place tbh
you sound like you need a hug
hug
Arguing that I would post walls about SK being wolfy after ladd and ender - two town leaders - both seemed to like the post feels very stupid for wolf me to do tbh. You, on the other hand, gave no direct comment on the massive wall and instead just asked ender why it was towny and moved on.
You made the simple decision, and it worked for awhile and may pan out correctly so it wasn't a bad one.
nah ill wait and not do anything on impulse
you've ceded all power to me so i can make both of you suffer
alas, I am not suffering at all. I am enjoying talking to my wolfy friend.
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:12
casimir is probly the best but he's boring to play
casimir is probly the best but he's boring to play
thats the polish civ right
im p sure they were banned in comp play lol
yeah well at least maybe you'll be able to feel proud for winning a game by blatantly not even trying to read posts
skill issue of me to try in the first place tbh
perspective slip on his part, btw
as a wolf I would have no need to act in good faith. But he knows I am not a wolf, he is Caught For The Wrong Reasons and is not happy rn.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:13
Arguing that I would post walls about SK being wolfy after ladd and ender - two town leaders - both seemed to like the post feels very stupid for wolf me to do tbh. You, on the other hand, gave no direct comment on the massive wall and instead just asked ender why it was towny and moved on.
You made the simple decision, and it worked for awhile and may pan out correctly so it wasn't a bad one.
i asked ender why he thought it was towny lol because i didn't
not the same thing
i don't know why i'm having this conversation
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:13
thats the polish civ right
im p sure they were banned in comp play lol
ya
free social policy by spamming tech is too OP
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:14
perspective slip on his part, btw
as a wolf I would have no need to act in good faith. But he knows I am not a wolf, he is Caught For The Wrong Reasons and is not happy rn.
no i'm literally saying they can look at what you wrote and what i wrote and see that your reasons for calling me a wolf are nonexistent
and yet you might still win
ya
free social policy by spamming tech is too OP
i mained venice because i always couldnt be bothered like... managing multiple cities
my mega cities went hard
i asked ender why he thought it was towny lol because i didn't
not the same thing
i don't know why i'm having this conversation
To put on a performance for our 2 town friends in the audience, of course.
You may stop at any time. But also for someone who didn't find it towny you never really talked about it at all. A strange thing to do, as a villager imo.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:15
To put on a performance for our 2 town friends in the audience, of course.
You may stop at any time. But also for someone who didn't find it towny you never really talked about it at all. A strange thing to do, as a villager imo.
not really, no
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:15
i mained venice because i always couldnt be bothered like... managing multiple cities
my mega cities went hard
ya same i hate goin liberty, i am usually tradition because managing >4 cities just too much of a hassle, especially in late game when you start taking over other cities
ill give venice a go
no i'm literally saying they can look at what you wrote and what i wrote and see that your reasons for calling me a wolf are nonexistent
and yet you might still win
Is this what wolves tell themselves at night? "They didn't catch me, they just didn't read"
Haven't lost as wolf in awhile, you'll have to tell me sometime.
(I am just teasing, no heat is behind these words and I accepted my loss the moment visor flipped town because I skill issue'd very fucking hard there, I should have known better. Getting this correct makes me happy, even if I didnt always do my best this game)
ya same i hate goin liberty, i am usually tradition because managing >4 cities just too much of a hassle, especially in late game when you start taking over other cities
ill give venice a go
im p sure objectively venice is SUPER weak but like
idk i had fun who cares
cuth who do you think #2 is
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:17
I have killed a thousand towns and a thousand wolves. I fear no cringe. I am the embodiment of mafia justice itself.
really throwing off the balance here smh
should have bussed more
Give him time, I believe he is currently looking at my iso desperately attempting to find pairings that make sense.
He might have to settle for winston but we'll see
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:19
Is this what wolves tell themselves at night? "They didn't catch me, they just didn't read"
Haven't lost as wolf in awhile, you'll have to tell me sometime.
(I am just teasing, no heat is behind these words and I accepted my loss the moment visor flipped town because I skill issue'd very fucking hard there, I should have known better. Getting this correct makes me happy, even if I didnt always do my best this game)
yeah well guess what i've won as wolf every game i've played in like three+ years except for the ones where the sk shot me n1 lol
and there is heat behind my words because i'm pretty upset at you for playing this game like you have, and not just this phase
and also again you didn't even try to listen to what i was saying
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:21
im p sure objectively venice is SUPER weak but like
idk i had fun who cares
cuth who do you think #2 is
venice is chill i thought i would dislike it more since it's so touristy but it has more soul than i expected
still kinda exhausting
hr hr
genuinely no clue any more
probably winston at the end of the day but if i squint i could see either of you two theoretically
atm if i had two guns i'd probably shoot winston but that's immaterial here
yeah well guess what i've won as wolf every game i've played in like three+ years except for the ones where the sk shot me n1 lol
and there is heat behind my words because i'm pretty upset at you for playing this game like you have, and not just this phase
and also again you didn't even try to listen to what i was saying
Oh come on, I have won every wolf game except for one where I was sick taking care of my partner since early 2019 I believe! We have streaks. Exciting.
No but really you played beautifully all joking aside. If I was like, capable of being chill in terms of effort (spoilers: lol) I never catch you. Never. Your rhetoric was SO good until your EODs which were sloppy but also I think I was literally the only player on this list who would ever bother to check that. In a chill game, not expecting anyone to give a fuck about stuff like that, I believe you had actually a winning strategy. I think it is ... probably still going to win? I think your fail safe here is winston may just never be able to unstuck themselves from katze unfortunately if the partner s benneh. It gives benneh the freedom to say you look bad so if he has to he can bus you today and then win in f3. Or it's katze which if so 1) good interactions, holy shit and 2) might be kind of spicy actually for who dies if it doesn't end today.
You played great, tbh, I just am talking shit because I 100% read everything you wrote and just didn't believe you.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:24
i still don't think it would make a ton of sense for w!benneh to bus sk the way he did, though with achro!w it's a bit more plausible now
i really didn't like your posts in light of sk stuff but i have a hard time seeing your posts with achro d1 as partnered
Actually I guess with you being wolf it just can't be katze either.
Lacks wolf cohesion. You were showing my deference early and kind of staying out of my way when I was doing stuff with SK while Katze voted me after and was a pain in my behind.
so FMPOV atp it's probably just you and benneh. But hey if I am wrong and I die tonight then all I have is a spectator seat.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:27
Actually I guess with you being wolf it just can't be katze either.
Lacks wolf cohesion. You were showing my deference early and kind of staying out of my way when I was doing stuff with SK while Katze voted me after and was a pain in my behind.
so FMPOV atp it's probably just you and benneh. But hey if I am wrong and I die tonight then all I have is a spectator seat.
lmfao sorry but no
respectfully i think you're a skilled player but deference does not apply here in the slightest
i was mostly disregarding your posts because i thought your reads were bad and tunnel-y but still villagery
but here we are
tbh it's not really a big deal if we lose to me because I essentially made it very hard to push me after day 2 due to EOD, and that was an option that should have always been possible for you and probably game winning so town losing on merit from day 1 and day 2's play is very fair imo and doesn't bother me.
Just happy I turned the ship around and played well after that.
lmfao sorry but no
respectfully i think you're a skilled player but deference does not apply here in the slightest
i was mostly disregarding your posts because i thought your reads were bad and tunnel-y but still villagery
but here we are
Well you're a wolf, and I am loud, so you kinda gave me good boy pats and then moved on.
Deference perhaps too strong a word? Ah yes it is, sorry.
you didn't want to be bothered by me, I should say.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:29
this game contains some of the people i do actually have deference for
and one of them happens to be benneh, who either dunked on sk or hellbussed his partner, and who you're voting me for not trying to kill d2 lmao
and also visor, who you tunneled the living daylights out of even after it was pretty obvious he was a town pr
this game contains some of the people i do actually have deference for
and one of them happens to be benneh, who either dunked on sk or hellbussed his partner, and who you're voting me for not trying to kill d2 lmao
and also visor, who you tunneled the living daylights out of even after it was pretty obvious he was a town pr
Yeah, that second one is for sure a skill issue. I even have a rule and everything. It's like "if someone makes you angry, don't vote for them."
That's my first strike this year though! I used to do it more often, so I am improving.
Also frankly, Visor started it. But that's okay, I am unlikely to ever play with him again so no biggie.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:35
dude the only reason you built a case on me anyone actually took seriously was because i was busy irl saturday and wasn't able to actually post until after you postcapped
and then you didn't acknowledge my responses d3, and then you did the shit today
because the entire damn case was built on me allegedly contradicting myself, which i objectively did not do, and despite my explanations today literally being "hey look at how these posts were at different times" and "hey look at this post that clarifies the nuance you're trying to ignore on my read there", and if i'd been able to be in thread then i could have pointed it out
if i was a wolf there's no shot i'd be intimidated by your play this game lol
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:37
anyway i think the situation is pretty clear i'll write more words later if the game's still going on but right now i wanna read a book because it seems like a better use of everyone's time than the current conversation
and it's a really good book
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 05:37
anyway i think the situation is pretty clear i'll write more words later if the game's still going on but right now i wanna read a book because it seems like a better use of everyone's time than the current conversation
and it's a really good book
is it the bible
dude the only reason you built a case on me anyone actually took seriously was because i was busy irl saturday and wasn't able to actually post until after you postcapped
and then you didn't acknowledge my responses d3, and then you did the shit today
because the entire damn case was built on me allegedly contradicting myself, which i objectively did not do, and despite my explanations today literally being "hey look at how these posts were at different times" and "hey look at this post that clarifies the nuance you're trying to ignore on my read there", and if i'd been able to be in thread then i could have pointed it out
if i was a wolf there's no shot i'd be intimidated by your play this game lol
Well I hope not, I've been a nervous wreck. I didn't say you were intimidated by me, just that I am loud and bothersome.
But you for sure twisted yourself into a pretzel to not vote Benneh with me but you were fine voting insomnia (dead town) with sk (top suspect) and you can lie all you like, your duty as a wolf, but it doesn't change that fact.
But you can go "it's not true" because tbh I doubt the town will fact check this and just go off vibes so lol
anyway i think the situation is pretty clear i'll write more words later if the game's still going on but right now i wanna read a book because it seems like a better use of everyone's time than the current conversation
and it's a really good book
okay, deal!
Nice chat with you, ggwp seriously. Sorry I have frustrated you. I'll go read a book too.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:39
Well I hope not, I've been a nervous wreck. I didn't say you were intimidated by me, just that I am loud and bothersome.
But you for sure twisted yourself into a pretzel to not vote Benneh with me but you were fine voting insomnia (dead town) with sk (top suspect) and you can lie all you like, your duty as a wolf, but it doesn't change that fact.
But you can go "it's not true" because tbh I doubt the town will fact check this and just go off vibes so lol
i hope they fact check it lmao it's all there on the table
Current tally
katze(3): WH, Visor, cuth
Visor(3): Taffy, insom, Achro
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
Cuth(1): SK
EOD in 10 minutes
Current tally
Visor(4): Taffy, insom, Achro, WH
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
insom(3): cuth, SK, Visor
EOD in 5 minutes
10 minutes and 5 minutes before EOD Day 2. Presented without comment about how much you wanted SK dead.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 05:42
ok?
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 06:15
i guess thinking about it more i'm not really surprised you voted me there
it kinda makes sense given the circumstances
sorry for being so snappy about it
i guess thinking about it more i'm not really surprised you voted me there
it kinda makes sense given the circumstances
sorry for being so snappy about it
No worries. Mafia is tough. I feel like going into lylo with you being my strongest wolf read instead of continuing to pocket you is a very strange play for me tbh. I hope the villagers agree!
Just to give my poe
Let's say I am a wolf with x
Benneh town reads me
You town read me
Katze kind of does
Winston does not.
If I am scum with winston two villagers are tring me and benneh has indicated he finds katze very wolfy. Easy win.
If I am wolves with benneh then winston trusts benneh and we kill katze.
If I am scum with katze I simply play up Winston's terrible progression with sk and cross with them. Likely overwhelming them in the process and winning since I was your top villager and benneh thought I was very towny and specifically was not ruling out winston w worlds.
The fact I chose you is something that only comes from town me tbh. All of these other choices are much more straight forward.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 06:50
i think any world where you would have survived until f3 you start getting looked at real closely tbh
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 06:57
like maybe if you'd gone into today repping a hard v read on me and/or benneh still but you haven't and so you're kinda up the creek without a paddle if you don't get a yeet today
should have thought about that yesterday
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 06:59
and things are uncertain enough otherwise that you decided you have to force a yeet through on me
because it started looking less like you'd be able to get someone to vote me for no good reason once i started pointing out the holes in your case
because if your partner dies before you you're in a really uncomfortable spot in f3
no this makes complete sense for you here
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 07:14
honestly this is probably the highest odds chance of your winning the game
because you were riding on the cred from people thinking you weren't a wolf after d2, but that would have basically expired tomorrow
whereas even now if you die it's not fully clear who your partner is, but if they got yeeted today you're gonna have a rough time surviving tomorrow
but here you can lean on the fact that you're very town-read and leverage it to try to dunk on me after pushing me yesterday when i wasn't around to provide any resistance
you kinda had to take the initiative
i respect it
Nah. All I had to do in any world is yesterday push katze/winston depending on wolf buddy and its gg based on world view.
Turning on you in f7 never makes sense really even if sacking sk was on the table.
Hopefully the two town can see that. The fact that you can barely say who my partner might be is proof your world is incomplete and a bit shoddy. I found a lot of evidence for you being a wolf w/ benneh based on things and you can say you refuted it but you heavily contradicted yourself by being on insomnia with your top suspect while today saying you never joined benneh once in the entire post cap lift because you were suspicious of me despite it making very little sense. You hopped on sk last second and were fine voting insomnia with your top suspect for a stretch. You can say you 'explained this' but it makes little sense why you would ever not be voting one of your top two suspects. Especially one your top suspect pushed at eod1. You are wolf.
To put it simply, if I were a wolf with info the easiest thing to do would be to probably quietly fan the flames of katze/winston instead of trying to diffuse it at every turn.
Winston I think got the gist in f7 when you and sk had that little chat where you asked sk about winston tbh. Atp sk was confirmed scum to you but you weren't treating him that way asking him world view questions as if he was to answer earnestly about why winston was town. You were feeding him opportunities for antispew.
The problem for the wolf team imo came when sk rushed yesterday for insomnia. It IMMEDIATELY set off an alarm in my head - my reaction is evidence of this I threatened to snap vote if ak voted insomnia (a known town) when if he had voted you as villager I had convinced winston that you were wolfy atp.
What I am thinking is sk hung back a bit until he saw the lay of the land and then went after someone I was suspecting and positioned him that way to win yesterday. I started the day thinking sk could be town. As did winston. Katze was nervous that everyone suspected sk. Our mental model of the game was 'this is a tough one'
Sk and I make no real sense as a coordinated team if you look at it. We were not on the same page at all. Ig it's me/katze for example, why would sk choose my third most confident sr to cross? Someone who winston had said looked good? You were right there for the plucking as villager. I had just slammed down a case on you. If it is me/winston then sk can choose either you or katze or bennh and the other would cross vote the other given so many suspicions.
No one was looking at you before I did in f7. Everyone thought you were fine. You had me as your top town read. You can explain it however you like but it makes no sense for me as a wolf to go so hard after someone who thinks so highly of me and then not even have my wolf buddy cross THAT person when both winston and benneh agreed with the case. I can't be both wolf with benneh AND winston and both said you looked wolfy yesterday to me.
Sk didn't cross you because he is your wolf buddy, not mine.
Also a huge thing imo is you trying to downplay your dya read eod2. You said you weren't sure but during eod you said visor and dya were 100% town outside of fringe worlds. That's pretty clear tmi but if it wasn't why would you downplay it today objectively? Why would a villager downplay a correct read? They wouldn't. You as a wolf realize that you calling visor/dya 100% villagers sounds exactly like the tmi it is so today you tried to muddy the waters and say dya wasn't a confident read. But it clearly was.
Winston Hughes katze
Want your eyes on this specifically because this is a blatant contradiction of thought. Why say you weren't confident when the wording is so obvious that he was? Because he knew it came from tmi.
Anyway that's all for now. Like if anyone has questions for me.
uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)
mostly just a) visor is a villager b) dya is very probably just a villager c) sure dya and benneh are good enough players that visor would probably feel less responsible to carry than otherwise but it really isn't a productive discussion because a)
Oh, okay so katze can be fpsing vllager in your eyes. Got it.
Well, I need to see some proactive solving. You just need one more villager, and EOD2 you had a very good eye on things - you saw before me that visor and dya were town. So if you are a villager I trust you can find the one other villager besides us, explain it in a way I can understand, and hey I turned around a benneh/cuth/insomnia solve to stab SK so I am a bit unpredictable at lylo. I like it that way.
i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all
but like they were never really a confident v read
visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)
but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here
First two eod2. Second today with me giving him credit for finding dya and him trying to tell me it wasn't a confident read.
He is trying to say the sky is green and hoping someone believes him. He did this a lot answering my questions. Try to move things around but after he did it like the 5th time I was pretty confident I was being lied to. And thank God I was right lol.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 14:07
Also a huge thing imo is you trying to downplay your dya read eod2. You said you weren't sure but during eod you said visor and dya were 100% town outside of fringe worlds. That's pretty clear tmi but if it wasn't why would you downplay it today objectively? Why would a villager downplay a correct read? They wouldn't. You as a wolf realize that you calling visor/dya 100% villagers sounds exactly like the tmi it is so today you tried to muddy the waters and say dya wasn't a confident read. But it clearly was.
Winston Hughes katze
Want your eyes on this specifically because this is a blatant contradiction of thought. Why say you weren't confident when the wording is so obvious that he was? Because he knew it came from tmi.
Anyway that's all for now. Like if anyone has questions for me.
no
stop trying to twist my words.
you were like omg cuth so proud of you wow you found visor and dya
and i was like sure i found visor and i ended up on dya very likely town but i didn't find them
also literally i didn't say dya was 100% town outside of fringe worlds i even quoted the explanation
and explained it further in other posts
my point was that i thought dya probably v AND most importantly never w/w with benneh
like the hundred percent was indicating that even if dya was w i didn't think they made sense with benneh
the receipts are there
I'm not saying anything new
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 14:15
To put it simply, if I were a wolf with info the easiest thing to do would be to probably quietly fan the flames of katze/winston instead of trying to diffuse it at every turn.
Winston I think got the gist in f7 when you and sk had that little chat where you asked sk about winston tbh. Atp sk was confirmed scum to you but you weren't treating him that way asking him world view questions as if he was to answer earnestly about why winston was town. You were feeding him opportunities for antispew.
The problem for the wolf team imo came when sk rushed yesterday for insomnia. It IMMEDIATELY set off an alarm in my head - my reaction is evidence of this I threatened to snap vote if ak voted insomnia (a known town) when if he had voted you as villager I had convinced winston that you were wolfy atp.
What I am thinking is sk hung back a bit until he saw the lay of the land and then went after someone I was suspecting and positioned him that way to win yesterday. I started the day thinking sk could be town. As did winston. Katze was nervous that everyone suspected sk. Our mental model of the game was 'this is a tough one'
Sk and I make no real sense as a coordinated team if you look at it. We were not on the same page at all. Ig it's me/katze for example, why would sk choose my third most confident sr to cross? Someone who winston had said looked good? You were right there for the plucking as villager. I had just slammed down a case on you. If it is me/winston then sk can choose either you or katze or bennh and the other would cross vote the other given so many suspicions.
No one was looking at you before I did in f7. Everyone thought you were fine. You had me as your top town read. You can explain it however you like but it makes no sense for me as a wolf to go so hard after someone who thinks so highly of me and then not even have my wolf buddy cross THAT person when both winston and benneh agreed with the case. I can't be both wolf with benneh AND winston and both said you looked wolfy yesterday to me.
Sk didn't cross you because he is your wolf buddy, not mine.
dude there's no upside to crossing me from sk
he never wins it in a thousand years and it also makes me look good
he had to cross insomnia because they were already hard spewed unaligned
you were just able to shift thread opinion on me because i wasn't there (evidenced by your not trying to engage with it when we were both in thread again at eod) and try to make this game even winnable for you
sk was always dying yesterday, voting insom minimized spew and was one of the only crosses he ever wins in some worlds
it's a win win for you to play like you did, since you minimize clears going into today and then play your big gross town credit card now before it stops working forever
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 14:18
you just misplayed this, sorry
you just misplayed this, sorry
Fwiw this would be very true if I were a wolf. There was really no reason to be so proactive in the two lylo days when the 3 of benneh/katze/winston had so much heat between them and winston starting off believing sk was town.
Although if sk was always dying yesterday I am surprised you or benneh didn't vote him to decide the cross. It was very possible that winston would vote katze and that would be a wrap.
I noticed right away that sk only got urgency to cross when I cased you. There is no answer to why wolf sk doesn't cross v you in a world where both benneh said you were wolfy and winston who tr'd sk said you were wolfy. If you were a villager I believe winston would have voted you over sk especially if I talked to them about it like I talked about sk during the cross with insomnia.
You have provided very little in the way of substantive argument that I am a wolf because very little exists. I am, unfortunately for you, very obviously not aligned with either katze or benneh given the first two days. If you try to push me hard with winston they will likely understand you are working in bad faith. So you just keep saying the same 2-3 lines over and over hoping it might work. Maybe it will. Who can say?
Alas, i am just a villager doing his best.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 16:27
at least the things I'm saying over and over are true and also don't depend on the alignment of someone who hasn't flipped yet
The sky is still not green, cuth. Sorry to say. Although yes I know you are a wolf now so my perspective will be biased. But I also covered scenarios for all possible team mates of mine in v you worlds so yeah.
Anyway here's some me and sk unpairing (also sk/winston unpairing imo they had a similar reaction to the vote early)
I'll vote in like, an hour or so if everyone's ok with that.
Please comment on my Cuth thoughts, Insomnia is my third strongest wolf read and it would make today hard for me if you vote there just fyi.
wait, sorry, why are you doing that? ~:confused:
I think we should put the first vote early-ish and I think I should cross with someone here based on the fact that half the game wanted me dead yday.
I'll comment on what you have to say about Cuth in a bit. But I'm partially wary because I'm not sure a team of those three is reasonable actually. Like, they just decide on the same configuration of blindly pushing me? And then I flip town there and Visor shoots one of them and they lose all of their cred? I'm not that sure about that. I think one of you/katze/winston is a wolf. And I'm wary of being one of you/katze because they will want me to vote whoever could be a villager between my three pushers. So yeah I'm kind of riding the theory of y'all three being mostly villagers but I'm trying to make thoughts on my own and not be potentially sweet talked.
You're saying Cuth now and Katze said me/benneh were never v/v so... Idk. I'm wary. And tempted to vote Insom because If he's a wolf I think he'd be the one wolves would put their stocks in, if that makes sense.
Originally he wasn't even planning on commenting on my big cuth thoughts before he voted insomnia.
Because every vote creates new information and we need time to digest that information.
If I cross with X, and game doesn't end, it means there's for sure a wolf between us (or two).
If then Z votes me, then it means Z and X are wolves, or I am one (or all three).
In response to winston
If you think the latter I think you're going to lose the game atm, but I can't stop you.
They didn't really blindly push you much tbh. I think, personally and just my pov, if you are a villager you are using pretty bad reasons for unaligning people when the eods were more nuanced than you are making them seem.
katze/insom don't make a lot of sense together fwiw
katze doesnt make a lot of sense with anyone reading their game, just like you dont imo
do what you think is best though.
but if you vote before cuth has a chance to address my concerns I am snap voting you
SilverKeith
just fyi
This is when I decide 'wait, its really suspicious that sk and cuth got so heated at eod yesterday but sk doesn't even care to let cuth defend himself from me when it's lylo'
Understood even if I do not think you're snapvoting me.
If you're clearing katze/me your worry is 2 out of Benneh/Cuth/Insom and winston I'm getting?
Hmmmm.
re:your points with cuth that he doesn't vote benneh ever, eh. If I'm arguing for hypothetical v!cuth, he jumped votes all over the place so maybe he didn't land on benneh. If I'm arguing on w!cuth then yeah he might be with wolf benneh and don't want to bus each other, just pretend like they're having some kind of conflict while distancing.
Sadly I'll have to somewhat agree with Benneh here that w!cuth prolly has like a meticoulously planned PATH TO SUCESS which prolly doesn't involve getting benneh there lunched, maybe because Benneh is my main pusher alongside Insom, so if wolf cuth lunches v!Benneh, he loses cred and it makes it harder for them to push me. Instead if they flip v!me it'd be like "welp everyone wanted sk dead and his posts sucked anyway so can't blame me".
So I do not think "not voting benneh" is a lock for them being partnered. Because I think, talking about w!cuth, that him voting insom witouth really meaning to like he did EOD2 alongside me and visor is more partner-y than him not voting benneh, regardless of what he has to said about benneh. Like, If Cuth is a wolf, he neither wants benneh or insom dead, either because they are partners or bc he needs me them to misslunch me. And in that regards, I do not think there's that much of a difference between pretending to vote insom and not voting benneh, because they were never the lunches there.
If we're talkign v!cuth idk what he was thinking but I also don't know wtf he was thinking at eod1. That one he'll have to answer. But the easier answer is that it's easier for him to be wrong about me being a town, than it is to him being wrong about say benneh or insom.
Why would he be arguing for hypothetical v!cuth as a wolf? With his own wolf buddy? When I am telling him to not vote insomnia? Why not spin a tale of them being partnered? It is lylo. You just need one. Yet he gave 3 paragraphs here about v!cuth when he gave no consideration to now known v!insomnia. It's because sk was probably panicked that I was hitting very close to home at this point.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39274-Helltaker-Mafia?p=6797711#post6797711
Hm hm hm.
Hm hm hmmm.
I like Benneh better today than SK tbh. SK has gotten a bit word salady for me and the EOD reads I liked before not so much now.
The above two quotes feel very 'same picture' like, and I am quoting a wolf SK game.
If SK is town he has messed up here, because before I was thinking he was town but now I am forced to wonder if the team is SK/Cuth/? and Benneh just got caught in the cross hairs because his reads and way of playing confuse me.
Really I can always go back to 'fuck it we ball' and the person mafia chose to kill was dya, so if I just vote for them like a COWARD then I can't really be blamed.
idk
the whole me trying to press cuth hard, cuth saying to give time, and then sk excusing cuth going SUPER HARD on him last eod for reasons SK at the time thought were bad in thread to 'nah, cuth doesn't have to respond, I'll vote insomnia within an hour'... idk, just not prudent town play, and maybe we're just never winning if sk is town here because I hate the not giving katze/cuth time to dig into the day much. It's been mostly me and a little bit of benneh atp.
it just feels bad.
I have like 3 posts left so we'll see, but those are my thoughts. If the cross is sk/insomnia I don't know which way I'll go, but probably sk for the above message and how it potentially pocketed me + dya's last will + the forced vote not feeling good at all.
You can see the gears turning. I reference another game on MU because I wanted to see recent play and I find him doing the same thing as wolf there as he did here to get me to town read him and the illusion begins to crumble.
Uh huh.
Achro do you realize this is the exact thing I think wolf!you would be doing right?
I'm reading the last page where you theorize a team of Cuth/Benneh/Insom and say that "Not seeing a lot of evidence it's not the team I think it is". You also say that you want one of those three to be voted. You have basically no problem with me.
I come in declaring intention to vote Insom.
Then you're like "welp actually I like Benneh more than SK now because whatever" and start sprouting anti-sk language and suddenly you have a problem with me voting insom and say that if I cross insom you're like "well idk I'll prolly vote sk here or something".
I'm not sure if you're a wolf, but if you are, this is a textbook example of trying to install fear in me for reaching a decision. By casually claiming that you'd vote me in that cross, then I'm suddenly like "welp can't vote insom now I guess I'll vote with the vote Achro wants me to go". It doesn't work like that. Fuck thinking who tf would vote alongside me, I want to vote a wolf and that's that.
He tries to scare me by calling it wolfy despite him never seeing my wolf game before lol.
If there is one thing town achro is that wolf achro never is, it is whimsical.
Good luck with your decision.
I am a fish. Unbothered by his bluster.
I need a sanity check on Achro's turnaround from y'all
Appealing to the audience. 'Should I cross with achro?' Is the unasked question here. I think to my fellow villagers it should be pretty this isnt w/w so here is hoping.
gm
i have thoughts but want benneh and winston to speak first
Cuthillius if you had to pick a voting order, what would it be and why?
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 16:59
gm
i have thoughts but want benneh and winston to speak first
Cuthillius if you had to pick a voting order, what would it be and why?
i don't care
probably winston first but i don't think it matters vastly
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:01
itt: achro continues to suggest various ways sk could commit suicide and spew people in a way that genuinely wouldn't help wolf win chances instead of crossing someone who might actually get killed that day and who's already clear if sk dies lol
why winston over benneh?
i get ur kinda annoyed w achro and i kinda wanna tell you to just stop talking to him but you probably know that already. im a neutral third party in this argument
I do think it matters vastly especially when you consider that winston is sring me and if town is the game losing vote. You do love your subtle manipulation don't you? Just a thumb on the scale. The order here matters a lot but by playing it cool you can seem relaxed. A good facade.
My order is benneh first - he has the most partner equity imo and since he had me as top town read and you as wolfy it should be an easy decision. If not, his turn around is interesting.
Next katze. Second most partner equity
If it is tied 2-2 after that I trust my fate ultimately to Winston once all votes are on the table.
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:05
im voting last :)
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:05
why winston over benneh?
i get ur kinda annoyed w achro and i kinda wanna tell you to just stop talking to him but you probably know that already. im a neutral third party in this argument
because i still think benneh is more likely v than winston?
idk bro I'm in bed
also it's hard not to respond to the person who's saying I'm making things up wholecloth while repeatedly claiming i said things i didn't
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:06
also im heading into the office today so ill be pretty much gone all day except when i can sneak in some phone time
enjoy the agony nerds
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:06
I do think it matters vastly especially when you consider that winston is sring me and if town is the game losing vote. You do love your subtle manipulation don't you? Just a thumb on the scale. The order here matters a lot but by playing it cool you can seem relaxed. A good facade.
My order is benneh first - he has the most partner equity imo and since he had me as top town read and you as wolfy it should be an easy decision. If not, his turn around is interesting.
Next katze. Second most partner equity
If it is tied 2-2 after that I trust my fate ultimately to Winston once all votes are on the table.
didn't winston use thumb on the scale first
didn't winston use thumb on the scale first
I believe the phrase is fairly old
also im heading into the office today so ill be pretty much gone all day except when i can sneak in some phone time
enjoy the agony nerds
I'm chilling lol. No agony for me tbh
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:10
I'm chilling lol. No agony for me tbh
i envy it tbh
im voting last :)
ngl i dont think im ever voting before you
we can both abstain and let winston decide
im moderately amused that we all just agreed to ignore the postcap. raskol is in shambles
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:12
I'm actually voting last
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:12
ngl i dont think im ever voting before you
we can both abstain and let winston decide
well then we might be in a game of chicken until deadline*
*peepee poopoo
im voting last :)
Weird stance considering your prior reads.
Alright benneh cuth it is. Gl to Winston.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:13
im moderately amused that we all just agreed to ignore the postcap. raskol is in shambles
point in my favor: i wouldn't have suggested that as a wolf
I'm actually voting last
wolfy contradiction m'lord
point in my favor: i wouldn't have suggested that as a wolf
if it makes you feel better i have legitimately considered this argument
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:14
Weird stance considering your prior reads.
Alright benneh cuth it is. Gl to Winston.
lol not so cakewalky as you expected eh?
point in my favor: i wouldn't have suggested that as a wolf
Lol
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:14
Weird stance considering your prior reads.
Alright benneh cuth it is. Gl to Winston.
lol
lol not so cakewalky as you expected eh?
I kind of explained this scenario when I voted so about as expected. Wolves forcing town to make a choice. Reasonable tbh
lol
go easy on him "picking up on jokes" is a gyarados exclusive move
Look I am autistic if I dont know you I don't know tone ok
So if you are joking it is hard for me
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:19
I kind of explained this scenario when I voted so about as expected. Wolves forcing town to make a choice. Reasonable tbh
yeah you should have let town vote your partner instead tbhtbh
yeah you should have let town vote your partner instead tbhtbh
That's what I usually do in these spots as a wolf tbh. I trust myself in f3s as a wolf to clutch.
Hi katze nothing to see here.
fr tho benneh do u have any thoughts
im trying to sit back and read the two people outside the cross meanwhile the only people posting about the game are the two inside the cross smh
yeah you should have let town vote your partner instead tbhtbh
Oh remind me
Whose my partner again? Was it winston?
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:30
Oh remind me
Whose my partner again? Was it winston?
could be anyone really
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:30
That's what I usually do in these spots as a wolf tbh. I trust myself in f3s as a wolf to clutch.
Hi katze nothing to see here.
yeah but as previously discussed it looks super gross if you're alive in f3 lol
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:32
fr tho benneh do u have any thoughts
im trying to sit back and read the two people outside the cross meanwhile the only people posting about the game are the two inside the cross smh
ya of course but dont take any offense to this but i dont really plan on sharing them with you (or winston)
i want to see how day plays out and what you/winston do and for better or worse i really do intend to be the last vote so i'm clear heading into f3 should we have one and wolves have to kill me or accept i'm clear (or try to wifom this cross as w/w i guess? seems unlikely tho)
inb4 this backfires and the villa in you/winston misvotes and we lose or alternately yall maj the wolf and then i look dumb and wolfy heading into f3 but i'm ok with that risk
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:33
do take offense if you're a wolf
(erogatory)
ya of course but dont take any offense to this but i dont really plan on sharing them with you (or winston)
i want to see how day plays out and what you/winston do and for better or worse i really do intend to be the last vote so i'm clear heading into f3 should we have one and wolves have to kill me or accept i'm clear (or try to wifom this cross as w/w i guess? seems unlikely tho)
inb4 this backfires and the villa in you/winston misvotes and we lose or alternately yall maj the wolf and then i look dumb and wolfy heading into f3 but i'm ok with that risk
curse you for doing like, the exact same thing im doing
are you discounting a w/w cross entirely?
could be anyone really
For someone who will be dead tonight as a villager if I am voted out as a wolf you sure don't have a lot of urgency to puzzle that out ya'know.
Anyway I win this game as a wolf pretty simply given gamestate in Winston's world view of katze and I.
I let winston cross with katze in f7. I bus katze
Winston dies because of being the cross.
You or insomnia or benneh cross sk f5. Or this is reversed same diff. I bus sk unabashedly. One of you dies.
F3 is two people who tr me heavily who suspect each other heavily and I have no reason not to be alive (and wolf katze doesn't come in f7 going WHY ARE YOU ALIVE!? at that lol) and I win pretty easily in that scenario I think.
My play around everyone this game is very uninformed and I just have to hope winston sees that. If not that's OK too. I am a very tricky person to read and first time players with me usually are very suspicious. I just hope I get asked some questions because I love answering them.
do take offense if you're a wolf
(erogatory)
https://media.tenor.com/frOjgVit9XIAAAAd/rrane-battal.gif
yeah but as previously discussed it looks super gross if you're alive in f3 lol
Not really tbh
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:37
For someone who will be dead tonight as a villager if I am voted out as a wolf you sure don't have a lot of urgency to puzzle that out ya'know.
yeah well I'll be dead
I'm more concerned about dying the right way here than i am about trying to solve further
i have confidence in town to take it home if we vote right today given that you clearly didn't have confidence in town to vote wrong today lol
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:37
Not really tbh
i respect your opinion
i respect your opinion
I respect yours too man.
Hug?
can you two unvote so we can just maj benneh lol
can you two unvote so we can just maj benneh lol
Literally no
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:38
curse you for doing like, the exact same thing im doing
are you discounting a w/w cross entirely?
i think its very unlikely just cause of the dynamics of how day was going prior to achros vote
and also some of the back and forth
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:39
a) winston crossing katze probably hits a wolf a lot of the time
b) even if benneh's the third wolf lmao i don't think you're the only thing that stopped winston from crossing katze my dude
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:39
Literally no
but figuratively?
Literally no
let me dream smh
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:39
I respect yours too man.
Hug?
sure i like hugs
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:40
can you two unvote so we can just maj benneh lol
i can't because it's lylo and votes are locked
a) winston crossing katze probably hits a wolf a lot of the time
b) even if benneh's the third wolf lmao i don't think you're the only thing that stopped winston from crossing katze my dude
im not sure if it does lol
i think regardless of the villa in the cross that winston more likely town than benneh lol
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:41
im not sure if it does lol
i think regardless of the villa in the cross that winston more likely town than benneh lol
huh
talk about that?
Anyway since cat's got benneh's tongue I will help him out.
winston i'd implore (emplore?) you not to vote achro fwiw
a cross between you/cuth or you/kat is guaranteed to hit a wolf fmpov. i'm just locking achro in as town and wh ile i think you are a good chance to be a wolf i think the equity i'm assigning to that vs what i've assigned to achro v makes it a much better play for town if you don't vote him and either you vote your partner or you vote someone >95% to be a wolf in the worlds you're v
This logic still applies, Winston. Perhaps benneh is being mysterious because this is how he plays lylos and it really is katze/cuth but I would like to point out I feel like benneh was subtly pointing you to doing a cross yourself today but katze has been your top suspect the entire game so I find it suspicious that he labels it as you/katze or you/cuth when in reality if you got to decide it just feels overwhelmingly likely you always choose katze. In a world where I am correct that would be a wrap. It's subtle but it's there imo.
sure i like hugs
Hell yeah
*gives you a big hug*
huh
talk about that?
winston make towny post
benneh cliff diver
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:44
i am giggling at the idea that achro/katze are t/t and appealing to wolf winston on where his vote should go because they're scared of me
i am giggling at the idea that achro/katze are t/t and appealing to wolf winston on where his vote should go because they're scared of me
I fear no wolf tbh.
But winston is very unpartnered to cuth imo
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 17:45
winston make towny post
benneh cliff diver
oh!
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:45
"so I find it suspicious that he labels it as you/katze or you/cuth when in reality if you got to decide it just feels overwhelmingly likely you always choose katze"
achro you are literally brain dead lol
i am giggling at the idea that achro/katze are t/t and appealing to wolf winston on where his vote should go because they're scared of me
it would be kinda funny and im sure if i reread d1 id have DOUBTS on u being a wolf but idk
im not seeing it anymore
im not rly appealing to winston tho
he told me to stop caring so i stopped caring
Benneh why wouldn't the wolf in winston/katze just bus their team mate to deny you a chance to be confirmed? Are you not worried the town in that pair will make the wrong decision and lose?
Katze, same thing to you. Why leave so much on the shoulders of winston? Why are neither one of you helping your likely team mate? It's a bad way to play lylo imo
"so I find it suspicious that he labels it as you/katze or you/cuth when in reality if you got to decide it just feels overwhelmingly likely you always choose katze"
achro you are literally brain dead lol
I am literally not and I would appreciate you not resulting to insults every time I call you a wolf like a child tbh
Benneh why wouldn't the wolf in winston/katze just bus their team mate to deny you a chance to be confirmed? Are you not worried the town in that pair will make the wrong decision and lose?
Katze, same thing to you. Why leave so much on the shoulders of winston? Why are neither one of you helping your likely team mate? It's a bad way to play lylo imo
ive tried to talk to winston
or do you mean something else
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:50
Benneh why wouldn't the wolf in winston/katze just bus their team mate to deny you a chance to be confirmed? Are you not worried the town in that pair will make the wrong decision and lose?
Katze, same thing to you. Why leave so much on the shoulders of winston? Why are neither one of you helping your likely team mate? It's a bad way to play lylo imo
if the wolf wants to bus and try to win f3 against me then good luck to them
if a villager votes wrong thats just the game, no that does not worry me since anyone could vote wrong. maybe i dont understand that part of your question
ive tried to talk to winston
or do you mean something else
Just your own thoughts on me vs cuth wolf equity. You don't need to like talk to Winston directly. Just lay out thoughts on things. Cards on the table. If we lose we lose. I mean no offense but honestly katze this isn't a good lylo strategy. If it's the team I think you just need to stop playing 4d chess and be earnest and chill with your explanations. Either eindton finds us town or they don't. Your tact is going to fail because it failed the first 3 days with winston. Be earnest and hope to be found.
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 17:52
I am literally not and I would appreciate you not resulting to insults every time I call you a wolf like a child tbh
if you're not then you're purposely misframing what i said and its annoying tbh
saying its suspicious i labeled it as "you/kaze or you/cuth" (you being Winston) when i was talking to winston about who his vote would be and then saying who cuth would pick is either braindead or misframing so you choose
if the wolf wants to bus and try to win f3 against me then good luck to them
if a villager votes wrong thats just the game, no that does not worry me since anyone could vote wrong. maybe i dont understand that part of your question
True I mean hmm
If I was in your position as town I would at least be weighing into the decision. Like I said with katze. It's not about appealing but leaving winston on an island feels strange to me. Or not discussing with each other.
if you're not then you're purposely misframing what i said and its annoying tbh
saying its suspicious i labeled it as "you/kaze or you/cuth" (you being Winston) when i was talking to winston about who his vote would be and then saying who cuth would pick is either braindead or misframing so you choose
I am afraid the third option is neither. If your best retort is an ad hominem attack then perhaps it is best you don't say anything at all.
Just your own thoughts on me vs cuth wolf equity. You don't need to like talk to Winston directly. Just lay out thoughts on things. Cards on the table. If we lose we lose. I mean no offense but honestly katze this isn't a good lylo strategy. If it's the team I think you just need to stop playing 4d chess and be earnest and chill with your explanations. Either eindton finds us town or they don't. Your tact is going to fail because it failed the first 3 days with winston. Be earnest and hope to be found.
oh
the problem with that is that i truly have no idea who the wolf between you two anymore and ive already decided im holstering tonight
going into it i thought it was pretty clearly cuth but i am now pretty conflicted. i think i generally am good at reading into peoples lylo posting and i think cuths posting today has rung more villagery than yours
from a purely strategic pov i think you are correct that your vote on cuth is not-optimal-for-w!you unless your teammate is exactly me, which i know it isnt. i could see a world where the cross is w/w and you're doing something thats kinda stupid in the moment but ~locks the win for you in the long term (see: s8 finale) but that seems like too unlikely of a world to actually buy and if its the case then gj i guess the theater is great but i dont think its theater. i guess i can see a world where you/winston agree on something like this but i figure you'd just try to mislunch me in that world
i havent really had the time or motivation to go back and do a deeper dive than what ive been around to see in realtime, which im sure isnt what anyone wants to hear but i've been juggling this lylo with some pretty stressful OOG stuff that if it werent lylo id prob just say "alright" and stop posting as a result of. im kinda using the thread to blow off steam rn ngl and was intending on stopping posting flat out yesterday until you two crossed because i was emotionally burnt
i guess in my heart i think you're the wolf and in my brain i think you're not
oh
the problem with that is that i truly have no idea who the wolf between you two anymore and ive already decided im holstering tonight
going into it i thought it was pretty clearly cuth but i am now pretty conflicted. i think i generally am good at reading into peoples lylo posting and i think cuths posting today has rung more villagery than yours
from a purely strategic pov i think you are correct that your vote on cuth is not-optimal-for-w!you unless your teammate is exactly me, which i know it isnt. i could see a world where the cross is w/w and you're doing something thats kinda stupid in the moment but ~locks the win for you in the long term (see: s8 finale) but that seems like too unlikely of a world to actually buy and if its the case then gj i guess the theater is great but i dont think its theater. i guess i can see a world where you/winston agree on something like this but i figure you'd just try to mislunch me in that world
i havent really had the time or motivation to go back and do a deeper dive than what ive been around to see in realtime, which im sure isnt what anyone wants to hear but i've been juggling this lylo with some pretty stressful OOG stuff that if it werent lylo id prob just say "alright" and stop posting as a result of. im kinda using the thread to blow off steam rn ngl and was intending on stopping posting flat out yesterday until you two crossed because i was emotionally burnt
i guess in my heart i think you're the wolf and in my brain i think you're not
Really. Oh wow. Maybe benneh is the town how the fuck have you not found me lol. Holstering? Why would you ever want to be at lylo instead of dead when you can protect the clear from this lol
Katze what
Holstering is literally game throwing as town.
What.
Ok forget the vote
holstering? Wtf. Explain
it really isnt though
i'll probably change my mind anyway just to increase the odds i get died but i'm more concerned with "the game not ending today" anyway
it really isnt though
i'll probably change my mind anyway just to increase the odds i get died but i'm more concerned with "the game not ending today" anyway
Ok sure but if you are bg you 100% can't holster. You always protect me tonight like. Oh my God I will never forgive you if we live today and you pull some stupid shit like that my dude. Like. Holster????
Imagine a world with you benneh and wonston in f3
And it isn't game throwing???
Katze
Dear god
the 1% chance the cross is w/w and i bg you/cuth and the survivor shoots me and "clears" themself because "why would they shoot katze" seems like a good enough reason for me to put my carsd on the table and force the wolf to make a simple NK
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 18:09
the 1% chance the cross is w/w and i bg you/cuth and the survivor shoots me and "clears" themself because "why would they shoot katze" seems like a good enough reason for me to put my carsd on the table and force the wolf to make a simple NK
we would never do that you should definitely not holster
nah its definitely pretty unhinged but if the day ends to a 3/2 hammer then the hammerer is confirmed town anyway and id probs just bg them unless its me in which case i would absolutely holster
the 1% chance the cross is w/w and i bg you/cuth and the survivor shoots me and "clears" themself because "why would they shoot katze" seems like a good enough reason for me to put my carsd on the table and force the wolf to make a simple NK
This is not it. There is a way more than 1% chance that winston if town nukes you tomorrow if you do this lmao.
Omg is this clever wolf katze or issue'd town katze I can't tell.
I can't tell. I guess it isn't my decision anymore
Oh right I was responding to benneh
Further. Why would I be brain dead? If your world view holds I turned around correctly on sk yesterday and voted cuth correctly today. Is it such a crime if I am wrong about you? I have never played with you but I hear nothing but glowing things. The manipulation I accuse you of if you are is subtle and very clever if it is true. I am actually telling you 'benneh, if you are a wolf I think very highly of you based on what others have told me' and so I see things I think a skilled wolf would do in lylo.
I don't think having respect for you makes me brain dead tbh.
This turned my world upside down ngl
What a twist
lettuce focus on today before we think about tonight lol
im not really going to overthink a night action when i dont even know who the wolf in the cross is
"how have you not found me" you underestimate my lack of confidence and my excessive hedginess
You literally have someone you think is town tunneling you and you want to be alive in f3???
When they could just kill you anyway and be like 'guess they changed their mind' or you are alive and prime winston bait
Katze why are you like this :wall:
clearly this is just expert level wine and i am baiting the wolves into shooting the obvious bg target so i can eat the shot
:curtain:
lettuce focus on today before we think about tonight lol
im not really going to overthink a night action when i dont even know who the wolf in the cross is
"how have you not found me" you underestimate my lack of confidence and my excessive hedginess
I guess I do. At least I know you will gladly visit onto others what you yourself do not wish visited on you. A little disappointing tbh
I wish I got 2 wolf Rands in champs it will be so nice to make another finals.
I guess I do. At least I know you will gladly visit onto others what you yourself do not wish visited on you. A little disappointing tbh
I wish I got 2 wolf Rands in champs it will be so nice to make another finals.
to be honest it's not really me being SCARED of you
like i said cuth feels town to me today lol idk what to tell you
could be false pings i don't intend on placing any votes without doing my due diligence
to be honest it's not really me being SCARED of you
like i said cuth feels town to me today lol idk what to tell you
could be false pings i don't intend on placing any votes without doing my due diligence
Why do you need to rely on your feelings I have taken this dude to task lol. Cuth will deny it (sorry cuth still hug bros) but what the fuck? How do you play as town? What are your thoughts? I have laid out so clearly how his eod process doesn't make sense, his replies don't add up (again sorry cuth still hug bros) and the best you have to offer meis 'He feels town at times' what the fuck lol
Now I am just confused. I thought I had the game figured out but like. You don't comment on any of my points. You ask me no questions. If you are town your lylo approach fucking sucks.
'I don't know the answer'
*sits quietly not saying anything*
What the fuck lol
Like if you get it wrong 'fine' but you aren't even trying to find me or cuth. Stop sitting back. You don't have to care much but please care a little enough to at the very least respect the effort of dead town who probably want to win the game
sigh
alright ill just stop posting until im fully up to tune with the game
For the record I am not mad just stunned is all.
If you make a decision and it is wrong I 100% will not be angry or upset at all. Mafia is hard for the uninformed. Don't I know it. This isn't about winning or losing. I just want to feel like I am at least heard is all. That my time was respected.
I am surprised you don't think I am town atp but it's just that. Surprise. I am not like mad about that or anything lol
Raskolnikov
08-09-2023, 18:28
im moderately amused that we all just agreed to ignore the postcap. raskol is in shambles
Stop posting!!! Ill maj someone randomly in a few :curtain:
Stop posting!!! Ill maj someone randomly in a few :curtain:
Knowing you, you think 1 was the hammer on 5
:curtain:
For the record I am not mad just stunned is all.
If you make a decision and it is wrong I 100% will not be angry or upset at all. Mafia is hard for the uninformed. Don't I know it. This isn't about winning or losing. I just want to feel like I am at least heard is all. That my time was respected.
I am surprised you don't think I am town atp but it's just that. Surprise. I am not like mad about that or anything lol
my guy it has nothing to do with disrepecting anyones time it has to do with the fact that my mind is not fully in solving mode and is instead in a floaty void because two of my closest friends are simultaneously going through completely unrelated crises and i don't particularly have the capacity to completely ignore that
Raskolnikov
08-09-2023, 18:30
Lolol. U may proceed.
my guy it has nothing to do with disrepecting anyones time it has to do with the fact that my mind is not fully in solving mode and is instead in a floaty void because two of my closest friends are simultaneously going through completely unrelated crises and i don't particularly have the capacity to completely ignore that
Oh. Well fuck mafia then lol. That matters way more. I have no way of knowing that of course but now that I have that information it's understandable. Sorry you have a very play it cool attitude a lot and it is hard to know what is facade vs outside things.
I can go for a walk in the park or something. Mafia isn't the most important thing.
i
tend to keep the outside world out of my games because i don't think its rly appropriate to bring into the game, i do tend to kinda play it cool regardless of how i feel because... idk really. i guess i usually actually am doing more behind the scenes though so its not generally a problem, whereas rn i am basically using the thread as a chat room
i do intend to get myself rolling by the end of the phase because i signed up for a game and don't intend on like. not playing it. but this game is very much so not my top priority rn
Makes perfect sense yeah, good priorities.
I have a few skill issues emotionally as I say so I just always tell people ate/emotions are null and not read into them. I try not to get too personal if I am having a bad time other than maybe saying 'I am having a bad time'
Probably why I just null ate super hard because I would feel a deep sense of shame as a mafia player if people thought they could clear me due to emotional things instead of my play.
This is a town post and dya is a town who is having trouble getting into the game.
Let's actually go back 3 years in time to the last time I pulled scum sk out of my hat day one in champs and commit some metallurgical murder.
this is genuinely the purest post itg
iyam
I miss you more every day, ladd. I was a fool falling for sk's honeyed words.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 20:48
a a a a
Anyway reading over day 2 again makes it clear it is just cuth/benneh imo. Lots of talk with sk and benneh back and forth over things. Sk making me his top town read while trying to shade katze often only to turn around and to try to butter katze up to me in f7, probing for which was his best bet if he had any win conditions then and there.
Would genuinely surprise me if katze or winston is paired with cuth.
Tbh I saw a post from cuth eod2 when I was having a bad time saying I am very confident in my reads and I think this is a misread of tone of confidence vs me being disoriented by lack of communication.
Visor voted me for no stated reason. I tried to engage. He did not. Taffy voted me for basically such a silly reason (comparing a wolf game to a town game for reasons I don't understand to this day) and every time I tried to engage it felt like they were twisting a knife and my words. I found them town just because I didn't think a wolf could ever make that up. Which was nice I guess. Admittedly blew a gasket when they said I was leading votes away from visor. Shouldn't ever do that of course. That conclusion based on evidence was... interesting.
Visor day 2 felt like he was actively gaslighting me with the cape stuff. I should have known if I was getting upset he was town but in the moment I was disoriented and baffled how anyone could not speak up and lmbe like 'yo visor. You are probably tunneled achro spoke up against cape momentum a lot day 1' but he just kept trucking along. Telling me he didn't read all my posts. Telling me I said nothing but nonsense (half the day was spent on a wolf so some of my posts were Ok at least) and it felt very demeaning. Dya said I was the reason this game wasn't chill, but for me I was really trying to slog through the mud since hour 1 day 1 with two town tunneling me and me trying to communicate and feeling as if I got either bad faith or really strange arguments that made no sense back at me. I didn't feel chill at all. Katze brings me to 3 and I ask 'what's your read' and they literally are like I don't want to tell you. How is that supposed to be fun and chill for ME? It's really hard because I like a lot of information and to understand people and for a lot of say 1 I had 2 people who didn't tell me why they suspected me and another who suspected me because I was unsure of my solving ability with a post cap based off a game as a WOLF. It was ridiculous to compare the two. And I never wavered from that town read because I knew only town think of things like that.
Like outside of the game I am confident because of my work inside the game. Once I am inside I have no confidence other than when I have already made a decision. I was looking for a sanity check from ender on visor and asked my top tr to solve with me so I could get a better grip on things and instead he votes me because he thought I was pocketing him, which okay sure, and declines to engage with me. He then red checks visor and I am like oh OK. It was just a ruse to get visor to spill. Cool. Let me spend some time solving partners with visor since ender says he is a wolf. So yeah I spent hours conformation biased because I think its a literal red check and by the time it is revealed not to be it's probably too late. The soup has been boiling for hours now ita time to serve it.
Then dya brings up real life and eod and I have never not once in my life blamed anyone for missing eod for any rl reason. I had a problem with their progression on some reads and it had nothing to do with eod. I just was confused (and wrong) about a couple of things but for some reason they thought I was taking a swing I would never take.
Like. To a point you have to be confident in mafia if you want to be a good player. Wolves are going to try to shake you. So you can't blow with the breeze. But I was willing to vote benneh with you cuth. In an instant I let go of my main tunnel and was like 'no problem' that's not overconfidence. That's trying to solve together and good town play. I now know why you didn't join me, so fair, but yeah I finally had enough and lost my cool which is never ok btw literally never ok but also I understand the circumstances for why it happened and know what to avoid in the future.
Like I think I omgus a lot less than most people so to act like me getting confirmation biased by visor when I held out him as ok for awhile as uniquely achro confident doesn't make sense. I relaxed on katze. I was back and forth on sk a lot not sure. I asked to solve with people a lot.
Someone will have to tell me after the game what word choices I use to sound super confident and not changing my mind because I lead the game saying I was insecure and going to do my best. Please tell me the phrases I used to make it seem like I didn't want to solve together and I will delete them from my mafia play. Never to be seen again. Because thinking I am some confident berserker is a misunderstanding. My hands were shaking voting cuth because I was nervous I got snowed but I had finally made my mind up.
yeah?
cuth i dont understand help me help you help us or something idk
taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk
i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy
nebjiamn
dno if u answer this later but im like... vaguely reading up on the game now
why did you list dya/sk and then be like "idk if i ACTUALLY want to vote them tho..."
bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape
i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender
i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all
katze got this from benneh d2
if the team is benneh/cuth then dya had a poe of 4 with all 3 wolves like halfway into d1 what a legend
if its achro/x then taffy had a pretty elite early d1 too (and if not then their townreads were still p good on contested slots)
fun to reread with flips in mind
if the team is benneh/cuth then dya had a poe of 4 with all 3 wolves like halfway into d1 what a legend
if its achro/x then taffy had a pretty elite early d1 too (and if not then their townreads were still p good on contested slots)
fun to reread with flips in mind
26587
The why are you booing me meme since text covered up some
ladd, dya, taffy all picking up townpoints
cuth, benneh going the other way
insomnia is deeep in my null zone - got no feels at all here from 22 posts - worth an iso
im sorry for ever doubting you
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 21:48
cuth i dont understand help me help you help us or something idk
i am doing other things that are stressful right now and i was just venting some of my stress at nothing happening into this game while i did things to account for the other stresses
i am doing other things that are stressful right now and i was just venting some of my stress at nothing happening into this game while i did things to account for the other stresses
Thats a mood tbh
Haven't had the best week myself.
All the hugs to you
i am doing other things that are stressful right now and i was just venting some of my stress at nothing happening into this game while i did things to account for the other stresses
oh i feel that
i second the hug notion
what if i told you i took catalyst on floor 2 without any poison cards
you sonofa...
I want to cards with friends one day again
i dont know why dya took issue with this, catalyst is strong enough that its worth an early game gamble
wait benneh did u mean act 2...
Ooh, yeah, I've not talked about Cape at all. Good catch.
oh shit, we're lynching cape?!
:sweatdrop:
why have i been ignoring cape?
cant believe this guy called me withholding my read on him performative after doing this tbh!
Katze literally pulled a litten on me holy shit.
Katze literally pulled a litten on me holy shit.
fun fact: my first game ever was a hydra with him
but what does this mean LMAO
Only for katze
in a game on fol recently we killed leafia day 1 over my objections and litten it turned out hadnt read any of my arguments until after I died for the mafia member I was pushing so day 2 he was like 'oh man achro was so right' after I was a corpse. I was not happy in dvc lmao
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:06
fun fact: my first game ever was a hydra with him
but what does this mean LMAO
i'm so sorry
Litten is the beat illiterate mafia player to ever play this game I will have you know.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=2852&dateline=1533292298
i just now went and figured out whos profile picture this is and
1. lmao
2. i hate you
3. how much effort was it
4. why didnt you just say what you were trying to say without pulling up her PFP? is it really that recognizable for the MU boomers and im the one left out here or did you just do a hehe for yourself?
ah, okay
because cape doesn't seem to be acting at all
naturalistic doesn't necessarily mean townie
but i'd need something more specific to convince me to chop here
otherwise cape just seems like low hanging fruit
ladd
sell me on cape
aye, i get that
but who could be his buddies?
and why have they played it like this?
its a mildly unfair comparison since benneh has almost certainly talked about cape before now (i should probably read back) but between benneh and winston its kinda clear that benneh isnt afraid to push down and winston is, like, INVESTIGATING the case
he does cave kinda easily to ladd but its better than nothing
Only for katze
in a game on fol recently we killed leafia day 1 over my objections and litten it turned out hadnt read any of my arguments until after I died for the mafia member I was pushing so day 2 he was like 'oh man achro was so right' after I was a corpse. I was not happy in dvc lmao
oh lmao
yeah i mean i read them but i definitely have not fully processed every post today
i'm so sorry
it was supposed to be a newbie friendly mafia game and then it was bastard and stupid and arguably incredibly unbalanced and inarguably very very unorthodox which probably doesnt fit a newbie friendly mafia game
anyway a wolf faked a redcheck on our slot that game because they didnt like litten and then endgamed and won off of a faux mechclear
im sure this explains a lot about how i play
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 22:13
its not recognizable at all and took not much effort, i just googled for FA on site:mu
it was a fun little joke for me and now you get to share in the experience
I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)
Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms
Like a wolf working the elbow grease
if i vote wrong i now can blame visor because i will say my vote is a sheep or an antisheep
ez
pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here
just for the joy
:curtain:
for why (there is an answer i kind of expect you to say regardless of alignment but i want you to answer anyway)
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 22:17
My laptop died mid post but the just of the other quote kat is I was asked for 5 so I gave my bottom 5 and that didn’t align fully with people I was willing to kill
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:17
i just now went and figured out whos profile picture this is
fwiw i recognized it instantly lol
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 22:18
i should ahve stayed home
theres no empty cubicles and people are loud af
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:19
it was supposed to be a newbie friendly mafia game and then it was bastard and stupid and arguably incredibly unbalanced and inarguably very very unorthodox which probably doesnt fit a newbie friendly mafia game
anyway a wolf faked a redcheck on our slot that game because they didnt like litten and then endgamed and won off of a faux mechclear
im sure this explains a lot about how i play
my first mafia game i subbed in eod11 and was yote d12
i was town
I don't remember my first forum mafia game or turbo mafia game. It's been awhile.
... 20/15 years
God I got old
back at my computer for the finale
I have changed my mind, SK is town
unvote: Silverkeith
time to murder a wolf in 51 minutes.
silverkeith is gonna write something that people dont understand and at eod he will be executed over cape and then achro will coach cape in wolfchat and theyll endgame together
a tale as old as time
son of a
god damn you!
unvote
Vote:Katze
this sequence of posts is still really funny
my first mafia game i subbed in eod11 and was yote d12
i was town
what the fuck
how am i convincing myself that SK/achro are unaligned for the same posts that i tunneled them for being w/w for together prior to him flipping
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:28
how am i convincing myself that SK/achro are unaligned for the same posts that i tunneled them for being w/w for together prior to him flipping
skill issue?
skill rejuvenation?
Fixed
skill issue?
mafia is a luck game
Raskolnikov
08-09-2023, 22:43
Current tally:
Cuth(1): Achro
Achro(1): Cuth
(Iirc)
Falling asleep in front of tv... stay stronk, stay chill.
EOD in 24 hours and GN
cuth i just typed a vote out on you and im too scared to send it can i get some motivation
How do you win a game as scum? By at some point in the game, attaining a majority.
This can happen in 3 way ELo, with one scum remaining. This can happen in 5 way ELo, with two scum remaining. This can happen in 7 way ELo, with three scum remaining. As scum, from as early as pregame, you should be thinking about how to cross the finish line. Who can't you eliminate, who can you eliminate, which scumteams are obviously not a possibilities. If you're playing reactively as scum, you're defeating the purpose of being informed. YOU are the one who holds the cards. YOU control the gamestate. You can't just miseliminate the easiest person every day. If in 7 way, there's you and your buddy who can potentially be connected, two confirmed innocents, and three VTs, two of whom have consistently defended each other in a way that the confirmed innocents think is kind of scummy and one of whom who is deathtunneling in a non-SvS way and is obviously not scum with either. If you eliminate one of the two scummy people the first day, congratulations you just ruined ELo. Now you HAVE to bus and push your teammate as scum with one of the others, and since you're backed into a corner reads wise it won't even look that towny if you bus. Whereas if you made the smart decision and together pushed the third person, you bring the two people who look like scum with each other into the endgame and it's a much easier elimination. You have to plan ahead, and you need to know how any of your actions will influence people's reads on the game. The future has to be in mind in every move that you make
Mafiascum article on how to bus. Good read tbh.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:49
cuth i just typed a vote out on you and im too scared to send it can i get some motivation
oh like actually don't do that
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:49
that is not all i have to say
that is not all i have to say
ngl itd have been kinda funny if it was
it just started storming outside
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 22:52
ngl itd have been kinda funny if it was
it just started storming outside
send me some it's downright swampy here
send me some it's downright swampy here
i live in florida its always swampy and also raining
not sure if you want any of that but if you do ill send you a florida man for free
I am in Georgia. Lived in Florida most of my life tho
We were close!
i can't wait to quit
for bennehs eyes only
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nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:03
for bennehs eyes only
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I am straight up miserable rn
thankfully I have some potentials but they can’t come soon enough
lol i keep telling myself to just drop a vote and fuck off and then i continue reading and i remember why i thought achro and sk were w/w before
yippee
really though, backreading has made me townread winston like twice as much as i did before
which is mildly inconvenient maybe because i could prob just tell benneh im polarized and he'd be like "yeah true" and vote with me
need to think on this though
okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill
i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol
main points:
-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way
anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now
some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?
point by point:
-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage
in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could
-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic
this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y
and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1
-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone
-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?
-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana
anyway
i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing
gross post tbh
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:07
yeah true
okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill
i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol
main points:
-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way
anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now
some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?
point by point:
-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage
in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could
-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic
this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y
and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1
-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone
-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?
-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana
anyway
i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing
gross post tbh
yeah true
u should vote some1
Katze my advice is to treat me like I treated cuth. Ask me questions. If you don't like answers vote me and no worries.
You haven't liked asked me anything all day lol
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:12
I will probably vote someone today
70%
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:13
anyway
this is what i have to say for myself
idk what's been going on all game and it's kinda felt like a shitshow and like i'm just a spectator from outside
like sometimes i felt alright going into eods but then i just sat there pressing buttons and being like i have no clue what's going on
legitimately achro was probably the single person i had as my highest v read all game (at any given point in terms of magnitude)
except for maybe visor
otherwise i've just been like what is going on
that said i still think i've played pretty well? i do think the fact that literally everyone v-read me (including visor, who's probably the non-retired player i'm most intimidated to wolf against) until d3 when i wasn't around and achro made shit up about my posts does count for something, though not a ton
i think the only comparable situation i've been in where i was wolf and was universally town-read was in the game where i bussed d1 because otherwise we would have just lost because everyone else was super villagery, but that's a different sort of situation than here
but like none of the reads on me were super depth-y so i respect that that's not maybe the biggest point in my favor but i think it is still something
i feel good about finding sk-- i called him out already eod1 and tried to kill him over visor d2
unlike achro, who engaged with sk early d1 and voted him but in a way that had no teeth and seems like it was just to give sk something to work off of, i actually followed through with that read consistently from eod1 on until he died
i think the biggest thing i can point to in my defense apart from that is just achro's approach to both visor and me
it's like. very big and grand and performative but it just feels like a switch is turned on and nothing can stop it
and i think his approach to eod2 was really gross in retrospect with the flips, and i think in a world where he's wolf this is his best play to secure victory, and i think he did it to make sure he had control over the day
his pivot onto me was just awful-- he constructed a narrative around me and benneh, two of the people who at least on paper look the best from sk, based on the fact that i didn't vote benneh with him despite having him as top town
ignoring the fact, which i clarified both in the moment and by indicating posts from then, that when he first asked that he was doing so as part of a ticket where he was trying to murder visor and dya, after all the claim stuff had unfolded, and then when i later did actually have him as top town it was because he had crossed some boundaries i straight up didn't think he'd cross as a wolf, and then i still didn't vote with him because i didn't want to kill benneh, because why would i
like i think there are absolutely worlds where benneh and sk were like hi yes i will bus the hecc out of you from the start of d2, but killing benneh before sk there would just be a super bad play, and it felt like it could be an opportunity to wring out a town yeet before we killed sk anyway
like i was gonna make sure sk died eventually no matter how benneh flipped, but the play there is never to go benneh
and sure i was voting other people but that's a very different thing
i have no clue who the third wolf is, and if it's benneh (and i understand that you think so atm?) idk what the play was there, but here we are
i think i've been pretty transparent in my solving process this game, and i also think it's pretty clear that achro's case, despite being transparent, is even more contradictory in and of itself than he is accusing me of being, and i don't think he's town-sided at a single point during this game
if you're a wolf then feel free to disregard and just vote me, but this is how it is
i'm kinda disappointed in a lot of things that have happened this game
if we lose here i wouldn't be that shook because i think we don't super deserve to win, but i also really don't want to reward the wolves for playing the way they have shrugze
respect the decision you come to and i know i'd have a hard time getting to achro!w here myself-- i don't think i'd ever have seriously considered him in f5 if he didn't vote me
godspeed
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:14
(Really tho I’m in the back of an Uber and falling asleep so if you are waiting on me it will be a while as I’m still reading thru the game and I’m not actually doing that at this point in time because of said Uber)
i feel really weird about achro continuing to push this narrative where winston is the poisoner and so I'm posting about it in hopes that if i die, someone else will look into it
dya u were too good for this world
achro i honestly dont have that much to ask. this is probably an issue for me
benneh im not rly waiting for a vote but id prefer to not vote first outside the cross
but i might do it anyway
Lmao I am glad that got cleared up at least. I was so confused.
achro i honestly dont have that much to ask. this is probably an issue for me
benneh im not rly waiting for a vote but id prefer to not vote first outside the cross
but i might do it anyway
Wish you did. Kind of weird you reading all of these interactions coming from a player known for being weird and you have 0 questions. But alright.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:17
katze that post kinda killed my initial strong belief in you/benneh world honestly
like after i read back i still saw a couple of posts that pinged me but his progressions seemed more fleshed out and egregious than they did the first time i'd backread
i thought he was more wolfy again towards eod2 because he was pushing bad worlds itt (kinda similar to sk honestly) but it felt different
and then i reread his post sod3 and Believed in it again
and then i read his push on sk and doubted myself
and now i'm somewhere in between idk
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:18
achro i honestly dont have that much to ask. this is probably an issue for me
benneh im not rly waiting for a vote but id prefer to not vote first outside the cross
but i might do it anyway
you and benneh should cross each other imo
that would be pogze
you and benneh should cross each other imo
that would be pogze
we're saving that one for f3
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:20
we're saving that one for f3
oh i feel so giddy already
The hardest person not to vote is the wolf who fooled you last game. One of my favorite sayings. Got a bad pit in my stomach that is my comeuppance for umineko. Ah well, that was a good one and I should have never let sk go day 1. What a skill issue tbh
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:21
if I’m alive at F3 I’m snapping bronana from the syndicate
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:21
also achro keeps saying sk would have obviously crossed other people
which is just nonsense
insom was the only sensible person to cross there today without making extra clears, since they were already hard split
and i think sk threatening to cross early was probably meant to make sure he had the initiative to do that and control who he voted
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:22
The hardest person not to vote is the wolf who fooled you last game. One of my favorite sayings. Got a bad pit in my stomach that is my comeuppance for umineko. Ah well, that was a good one and I should have never let sk go day 1. What a skill issue tbh
oh come on
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