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i hope visor is real and we yeet him anyways so he can see that i wrote like a billion words just to be wrong in the end
you know i say these things but then they actually happen and i wish id just have kept my mouth shut
I think i am leaving thread now. I was fine earlier but not being asked a single question is fundamentally against how I would handle this situation and I don't want to be around anymore. Ping me if I am needed. Hope you and winston find me.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:23
I think i am leaving thread now. I was fine earlier but not being asked a single question is fundamentally against how I would handle this situation and I don't want to be around anymore. Ping me if I am needed. Hope you and winston find me.
hug
also achro keeps saying sk would have obviously crossed other people
which is just nonsense
insom was the only sensible person to cross there today without making extra clears, since they were already hard split
and i think sk threatening to cross early was probably meant to make sure he had the initiative to do that and control who he voted
I know gaslighting is part of the job but geesh
(But good job seriously this is A+ wolfing you did great. Hug)
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:24
I know gaslighting is part of the job but geesh
dude you're one to talk
The hardest person not to vote is the wolf who fooled you last game. One of my favorite sayings. Got a bad pit in my stomach that is my comeuppance for umineko. Ah well, that was a good one and I should have never let sk go day 1. What a skill issue tbh
really i wish i had more questions to ask but i feel like 90% of my doubts with you are like... the SK shit. and ive asked questions about that
but sure, fuck it, maybe it'll help. can you just like... outline your progression on SK from his first post until his death? like an entire fuckin thesis
i need to get better at asking questions you're right
really i wish i had more questions to ask but i feel like 90% of my doubts with you are like... the SK shit. and ive asked questions about that
but sure, fuck it, maybe it'll help. can you just like... outline your progression on SK from his first post until his death? like an entire fuckin thesis
i need to get better at asking questions you're right
Oh. Yes. Let me get to my computer to type.
nebjiamn
08-09-2023, 23:25
Idt gaslighting is a term we should throw around lightly fwiw
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:27
you're right, sorry
Idt gaslighting is a term we should throw around lightly fwiw
In the context of a wolf it's a term I use in admiration of how skilled a lie is, but fair.
i again kinda wish you'd stop assuming that i only have doubts on your alignment because of umineko
i think i could find that one post winston made about how i used words earlier and apply it to that a bit, but meh. i dont rly mind having lost that game but i mean i basically locked ladd town hella early despite him having snowed me just as hard as you snowed me in that game and me knowing he is one of the best wolves to ever do it
its not just THE FEAR, its uncertainty
im good at being uncertain
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:28
i do feel like i keep being told I've done and said things i haven't done over and over and every time i try to clarify that it's like nothing i say is considered
but you're right and this isn't the place to use that language
i again kinda wish you'd stop assuming that i only have doubts on your alignment because of umineko
i think i could find that one post winston made about how i used words earlier and apply it to that a bit, but meh. i dont rly mind having lost that game but i mean i basically locked ladd town hella early despite him having snowed me just as hard as you snowed me in that game and me knowing he is one of the best wolves to ever do it
its not just THE FEAR, its uncertainty
im good at being uncertain
I don't think it is the fear, I just don't think you have any idea what makes town Achro tick vs Wolf achro which tbf I guess is the point. You haven't seen me from a completely uninformed POV before as town, so your only experience being Umineko probably makes you more inclined to wolf read me.
I could be wrong, but I don't think I am atm.
I wouldn't ever call that 'the fear.' Gamefaqs and MTGS had the fear lol
I don't think it is the fear, I just don't think you have any idea what makes town Achro tick vs Wolf achro which tbf I guess is the point. You haven't seen me from a completely uninformed POV before as town, so your only experience being Umineko probably makes you more inclined to wolf read me.
I could be wrong, but I don't think I am atm.
I wouldn't ever call that 'the fear.' Gamefaqs and MTGS had the fear lol
oh that makes more sense
yeah im sure having a few more games with you would help. ive definitely seen you village but ive never villaged WITH you
carry on
i do feel like i keep being told I've done and said things i haven't done over and over and every time i try to clarify that it's like nothing i say is considered
but you're right and this isn't the place to use that language
I mean if you really feel this way post game I will be glad to discuss it with you but I really do think I am right on the facts here and notice obvious holes in your story fmpov or I wouldnt have voted you. Like I know as a wolf you can think 'I shouldnt have been caught for that' but I think I am right here. Or maybe I just got lucky
anyway SK wall
oh that makes more sense
yeah im sure having a few more games with you would help. ive definitely seen you village but ive never villaged WITH you
carry on
(see what communicating does? ;_;. ONE MISUNDERSTANDING DOWN)
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:34
I mean if you really feel this way post game I will be glad to discuss it with you but I really do think I am right on the facts here and notice obvious holes in your story fmpov or I wouldnt have voted you. Like I know as a wolf you can think 'I shouldnt have been caught for that' but I think I am right here. Or maybe I just got lucky
anyway SK wall
i can 100% promise you i will really feel this way post game lol
i can 100% promise you i will really feel this way post game lol
I believe you, buddy. No problem. right now it's he/she said, but since we both know the score of what's REALLY going on, I'll save it for post game and tell you in more detail why I thought certain things and even if you disagree if we ever play again (...and I hope we do, as I have found your play good and not problematic for me at all, but I will understand if it isnt mutual) you will know the things I read into so you can trick me next time.
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:36
you don't need to respond to that I'm aware that it's obvious that i believe that if I'm a villager I'm just venting
Cuthillius
08-09-2023, 23:38
I believe you, buddy. No problem. right now it's he/she said, but since we both know the score of what's REALLY going on, I'll save it for post game and tell you in more detail why I thought certain things and even if you disagree if we ever play again (...and I hope we do, as I have found your play good and not problematic for me at all, but I will understand if it isnt mutual) you will know the things I read into so you can trick me next time.
fantastic
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848445&viewfull=1#post2053848445
i feel like i can solve the game based off of this post alone i just need to figure out how
THESIS TIME (will try not to write an actual thesis)
really i wish i had more questions to ask but i feel like 90% of my doubts with you are like... the SK shit. and ive asked questions about that
but sure, fuck it, maybe it'll help. can you just like... outline your progression on SK from his first post until his death? like an entire fuckin thesis
i need to get better at asking questions you're right
Okay so I obviously have played with SK before, poked him in the ribs about champs, and didn't think much about him until I saw his ‘opening wall’ which FMPOV had two town people listed as two wolves, so I wanted to respond to it to both explain my own actions and defend my town read, below.
Hello SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.
102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?
As for Taffy first off way to shade my town sorting process, but also most would agree with the process I use to sort townirs being as you described so fair.
Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.
Now if this is stuff Taffy does all the time as a wolf someone will have to let me know.
Hmm
Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.
Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.
If Taffy does this type of thing as a wolf with proof then they haven't done much else and fair, but it would for sure never be my first thought to think wolf.
Wall was ok although not out of sk's scum range and catchup walls are kind of the easiest thing to fake. Good look if I am wrong about Taffy though as sk could have easily pivoted to me instead.
So let me break down my thought process behind why I asked the things I did and say the things I said here. First, as I said in our last encounter I did something kind of neat that actually outed a wolf early on (...that I also let go day 1, fuck SK is a jinx) so I didn’t know why SK would have that read as town.
I thought the point about 102 was poor and for sure not AI for me, so mentioned it to him.
He then calls my town read of Taffy ‘illegitimate’ which is interesting because as I replied yeah, a
lot of people think so so har har. I couldn’t argue that point.So then I went into more detail for SK my read because yeah wolf achro will fudge stuff like this, it’s a fair critique objectively and I am working on explaining my reads better, and leaving off with hey if taffy is a known trickster, someone let me know. No one ever really indicated that, so my TR of taffy held until they were gone.
Then I sat back and reflected on the way the wall was written and it didn’t feel great, I felt a sense of ‘it’s fine…I guess?’ but I couldn’t understand why you would ever go after Taffy of all people and not me given my history of good wolf play. If SK had us both as wolves, I would think pushing me into more votes when I had 2-3 at the time (I think benneh JUST voted before the wall dropped) would be a good move to pressure me. If I think there is a good scum player, I want to pressure them.
So then I ask him to provide a specific game for his vote reasoning on Taffy because I didn’t like the vote at all, referencing my cited theory on taffy’s vote and wanting to see where HIS mind was at for why he thought that was a good vote. It was meant to challenge him to provide evidence and foundation for disagreeing with my town read, because my town reads are usually pretty good so I wanted to see history with Taffy.
I then ended this first post thinking I was a little weirded out but it would take me more reflecting to go ‘ehh I shouldn’t actually give this a pass’ because my parting commenting about walls being easy to fake lingered with me.
I will post this now so you don’t have to read a whole thesis at once, but this concludes my thoughts on one post.
…
I am so sorry.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848445&viewfull=1#post2053848445
i feel like i can solve the game based off of this post alone i just need to figure out how
'does wolf achro really control + f the word 'visor' on his phone for a afternoon to make a case for someone who is publicly red checked but he knows isn't a wolf to then link this non red checked person to two people exclusively over dozens of posts and digging into micro tells of partnerships he knows is completely fabricated instead of doing literally anything else with his time.'
(the answer is no. I fell for the FPS of Ender because I was town and happily did this work. That is 22000 words of text. Some quoted, but oh my god I spent time on that)
Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.
I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.
Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.
So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.
vote:silverkeith
Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.
So first paragraph is me coming back and going 'no, I can't let that slide and this is one of my comments but certainly not the only one about me being a little itchy about the thread state. I've gotten a good sense for those things lately, and as it turned out I was correct so I wanted to shake things up. I feel like most of that first post is well within partner range for me and sk, but this next part would be doing the most for a thread who isn't listening and me who has gone through quite a few posts. It's needlessly bussy when my questions before feel relatively unpartnered to me.
Bu anyway as I explain I just couldn't get over him not voting me there. Because he found us both wolfy, but he never thought to say 'well obviously they can't BOTH be wolves with that opening' like I believe you did when I brought this to your attention. It bothered me a lot that SK didn't have that click moment between the two reads he was wolfing. Like the reads weren't actual thoughts, just convenient words to play the part. I used the word unintuitive, and it's a good word. You, who were taking into the game, had issues with me but it was almost an off hand remark that me and taffy weren't paired. It's a difference check in mentality looking back. Then I took note of the ladd/me interactions which were WAY more mild than me/taffy but he note ladd's towniness because... I honestly think I fucking nailed this one, it was a way to town read ladd without being too weird. But he didn't take into account that TRing ladd off me but not Taffy off me fundamentally is a reach. If you do both that's okay, but pulling ladd (the strong town player) vs taffy (the suspected player at the time) into different pockets felt manipulative and almost had to be agenda'd I thought. But also I try to keep in mind that people communicate and think differently, so I was suspicious but this wasn't a SLAM DUNK or anything, especially since SK could have later produced Taffy stuff and be like "a-ha!" and I'd be like 'ok cool, thanks for explaining."
So then I voted, and I didn't have a lot of posts because I am an idiot and need to work on pot cap pacing (legit skill issue) so I left it there for the post.
'does wolf achro really control + f the word 'visor' on his phone for a afternoon to make a case for someone who is publicly red checked but he knows isn't a wolf to then link this non red checked person to two people exclusively over dozens of posts and digging into micro tells of partnerships he knows is completely fabricated instead of doing literally anything else with his time.'
(the answer is no. I fell for the FPS of Ender because I was town and happily did this work. That is 22000 words of text. Some quoted, but oh my god I spent time on that)
thats definitely the easy answer yeah
i think a thing with good wolves is that they see stuff like that as a prime opportunity to flex and show a LACK OF TMI so to say
that might be partial projection (i know if i were mafia id see that and be like "damn i could totally write a whole ass wallpost" but idt id have DONE it this game) but ive seen it come from a few other ppl i consider elite wolves and its part of why i was kinda suspicious of you/winston being paired. i actually still think winston is your most likely teammate which
well, i think he's probably town
but i'm still thinking on it. im still reading that big wall (ill get to what you're writing now in a bit, not gonna go wall to wall to wall i might die if i do that) and seeing how i feel about it, yknow? in realtime a few things confused me such as you quoting me talking about visor/cuth/benneh and then calling dya mafia off of it, you said it was probably your way of townreading me, but i still don't really GET that
ill probably get to writing out nitpicks in a bit but i smell chicken so i will probably take a break to eat it :bow:
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 00:17
https://media.giphy.com/media/13fVUJnoXtXiQ8/giphy.gif
Anyway I think I like Visor's vote on me now when earlier I didn't. I 5hink he would be wary of just having a vote chill on a villager for most of the day and not care that I didn't like it as a wolf since he knows I can be prickly at times. Nothing too indicative or anything since he is just floating with it but maybe more town than scum.
Katze's suspicion of me is fine I guess if we aren't assuming they are an anime villain which I am unsure how prudent it is but also I will give benefit of the doubt and imagine they are being genuine.
So really only sk sticks out to me as not feeling too genuine atm.
I also dont like how much cape is being discussed unless he is a wolf and then I knew it all along. I don't get how he is the most wolfy out of everyone and if someone could explain it I would appreciate it. It almost feels like 'yeah we don't like that guy' which is fine and all if he is a wolf but I would like to know why exactly and I don't. So insomnia that's for you and others.
So then I take a moment to re-evaluate some things. I decide you know what, Visor is fine for now with his vote on me it feels good enough, because in our previous w/v meeting he WAS concerned about his appearance to me as a wolf so I was referencing a past game thinking about it. A good read I got away from due to brain breaking, oops.
Then I took my hand off the trigger with you and decided I shouldn't treat you unfairly just because you are skilled, and you felt more genuine than SK did due to the reasons in my above post.
I then try to pull discussion away from cape.
A post mostly NOT about SK but it also gets into my head and I like this post because this has 4 correct opinions and we take those when you're a fish.
Moving on I question winston, think we have a mindmeld on katze even though I am not pushing katze anymore and call that town (p sure that's a W)
I can get behind Katze sus.
I now very much like Winston/Achro/Taffy as town tbh.
Ender thought I was pocketing him but actually he was just mirroring my world view and I could UNDERSTAND the katze sus unlike taffy sus (and taffy imo was lhf like cape so ender defending that slot made me think he was being not predatory and thus town) so I tr'd him instantly for this since I jut tr'd winston myself.
I prefer to think of it as inquiring and looking for actual answers to that question but anyway ender and I are masons now. Sorry not sorry.
(Town read for the person not named ender who can guess why I am tring ender correctly.)
I stand by this... I wasn't trying to be self-righteous :(
Personally if I were in Katze's position as a town slot I woukd be a bit curious why SK and I both as wolves but voted Taffy and along with that didn't make any comment about our pairing being unlikely.
The fact katze thinks of that in relationship to Taffy intuitively but Keith in a big wall doesn't think about it at all along with the fact that walls are pretty easy makes me start to think more than they were just faking their thoughts. Would love to hear Keith's thoughts on the matter though.
So this was me trying to prompt you on SK and maybe doing a bad job. I was trying my best to highlight and appeal to you that SK's suspicion of me and taffy really flew in the face of your own solving at the time which I felt was good if I stopped being paranoid of you. This was meant to be a difference check, and also really wanting to get SK in thread to discuss it.
You misunderstood it, I tried to clarify
My point is sk thought Taffy and I were wolf both but made no comment on how that pairing is weird while you did.
Also how do I see how many posts I have in a topic. I counted earlier lol
Ah yes the replies. I looked at that thread before but manually forgot about it since I only played once. Okay cool. Tbh not bad that I will only be capped for like an afternoon. But also not surprising that I will be capped lol.
Anyway 12 players let's see.
Town people in order of confidence roughly
Ender - like their world view a lot, feels chill and I can buy that they think self righteousness is a town tell for me generally (it is not it is mood dependent but this observation makes sense from the games he has played with me).
Taffy - I am. Fucking literal GOD at reading into votes on me being suspicious vs not and this slot is NEVER A WOLF. Phrased this way for maximum funny if wrong but until proven otherwise I trust my read on that because fr I am good at understanding thread position of myself.
Winston - good vibes. Like the katze sus because it felt solvey to me
Cuth - had a post I really liked earlier but I forget what now. But I will trust early Chris.
Ladd - chill vibes, like most of their thoughts we shall see if he leads us off a cliff.
Cape - god help me I think he is town at this point but not confident. Lots of talk about him being scummy tho so maybe a little thread spewed. Not sure not usually my type of read.
Insomnia - not much experience with this one but seems alright to start.
Not so towny 5
Katze - not feeling the MOJO but also willing to see what they come up with. Probably not bussing given reputation so if they bag a wolf today probably ok
Visor - I remember nothing
Neb - I remember nothing but felt compelled to put them here
Dya - starting to get bad vibes but nothing definite
Sk - see many posts above, but basically I don't think that wall post was wrll thought out and genuinely solving the game from an uninformed perspective. Felt like he was placing chess pieces instead of trying to form reads. Want to hear from him tho because it could be a simple misunderstanding on my end.
That's my legacy for now if I get capped.
My paragraph here on SK I think stands without further commentary, I did a great job both with my problems and explaining confidence level. A+ communication.
Also Christopher.
ONE TOWN READ
IS ALWAYS A WOLF
WHY
anyway we move on.
im soulreading that achro, if town, thinks that i am a wolf but is trying to pretend hes unsure so i bus at EoD and then he buries me tomorrow
im posting this to fuck with your head
glgl
It didn't fuck with my head but it made me smile.
taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk
i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy
cape
benneh
cuth
sk
not in any order
i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth
This is a town post and dya is a town who is having trouble getting into the game.
Let's actually go back 3 years in time to the last time I pulled scum sk out of my hat day one in champs and commit some metallurgical murder.
So I thought this was a town post because it had sk at the bottom when sk wasn't getting any attention and I town read dya because of her ALSO sussing SK when people weren't really talking much about him other than me AND having that feeling that the thread wasn't quite right. So this was an appeal to the thread as a whole but benneh and dya hey, let's stab SK in the face right now.
Unfortunately, no one in thread ever responded to this lol.
On the one hand I did say if I thought cape was town I should reverse that and scum read him and after cap lifts maybe I will do that. On the other hand you nerds did kill illario day one in the game I was in so I am not sure how much you lot can be trusted.
(For legal purposes this is a joke)
Anyway if cape is a wolf he was bussed already, so whatever I got the information I need to do work overnight if that happens. Probsbly good for thread to see people's positions on him too as everyone had SOMETHING to say.
But also I think sk is howling atm so I will stick there.
Anyway that's my post cap thanks for joining me on this wacky debut episode of achro tries to understand how to deduce things without posting 300 times.
Context: I keep being wrong about cape and everyone thinking he is scummy but not me gave me vibes to a recent game. I defended him for half a day until finally sheeping so I was nervous, because this format and new players do make me nervous. I hate being hedgy as a rule but I didn't have big confidence.
ok sick achro is gone time to talk shit and cfd
vote: achro
whenever cap lifts i don't rly understand why u think sk is HOWLING i know you made the connection on how me and him viewed taffy/you dynamics differently but
shrug
on the bright side i dont think i can wolfread achro for lack of confidence anymore :curtain:
Me trying to get people onto sk, having no one respond, and then katze votes me in hindsight: :wall:
Oh, actually ladd did say my sk murder post was pure but... didn't comment on my sk read much at all, no one really interacted with my analysis... at all. It just kind of passed the thread. No one asked me any questions. You responded to me prompting you but then didn't respond to that. I had limited posts so I couldn't jump up and down begging people to notice.
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro
1pm vote totals, a bit after I voted SK and prompted people with no replies.
I think I may have been capped or 1-2 off cap at that point, so next post will be discussing SK juking me.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 00:26
i will not be writing a novel today
i will not be writing a novel today
if u were town you'd write a novel :curtain:
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 00:42
if u were town you'd write a novel :curtain:
i am and i won't
i am and i won't
wtf
as we all know wallposts = locktown soooooooo
i gotta vote u now :/
(this is a joke)
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 00:47
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Perfectwall.jpg/170px-Perfectwall.jpg
i wasnt convinced but the attached thumbnail sold me
... It's kind of cute that you and winston both think my most likely wolf buddy is the other one, and I think it is benneh. That's a bit of an issue for town in my world view lol.
But we move on.
Okay we pick back up at 4:14pm, these are the votals
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh
So last thing I did was ask people to kill SK, I capped, and soon I will be coming back to a thread that is voting Cape someone I am not CONFIDENT is town but believe so, and think thread has been 'bad' today.
4:51 it's sk time.
Cape(5): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze, Visor
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh
Not voting (0):
Dya votes SK, cool
5:00 pm I drop THIS:
So some things.
No idea how to read into cape being wrong on 3 different posts about scum tells when I am town. I wonder if this is genuine or appearing to be solving an active slot to buy himself time? What are my scum tells in those posts Cape90 although if you are town at least you know to throw them away next time. Cape are we having a pokemash moment or a smas all stars moment? Hard to tell with you tbh
Anyway much has been made about my insecurity as it were. Jokes on you I took a binding vow at the beginning of 2023 that every time in a game I mention I am flawed, I have imperfect skills, and I have weaknesses my skills actually sharpen and I bend reality to make it so my team always wins.
I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed. I am 15-1 as town. 9-0 as wolf. I am skilled, calm, and ferociously violent as either alignment if need be but mostly chill and here for a good time not a long time. I believe my town game is crisper than ever and my ability to both lead and follow has improved. My read are crystal-like in their clarity and I re evaluate very well these days. As scum my games and the fear I leave behind will speak for themselves.
Ok, so clearly I literally know I am awesome. So what's the deal with what I said earlier? All of that I just rambled about is true but also I recognize that I DO struggle more without meta at times and I do often use posting to help me in scum hunting through real time interactions and sneaky lines of inquiry and play. 50 feels rough compared to I believe the 80 or 100 of the previous game.
Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that fake solving as a wolf and actually figuring out people are very different experiences with limited posts. And if they aren't then they are to me. I guess you can murder me if you want if you think for some weird reason wolf achro faked this sentiment and then proceeded to do his best to solve before post capping. Don't really get it tbh. That post cap didn't obstruct me from wolfing because I just needed to fake solve. I worry for this post cap because I need to actually solve. I feel we may be speaking different languages. Also I posted almost double post cap because you said the game ended in 5 days but I 0 posted day 5 because town messed up and voted before I could post. Just FYI. I THINK this is town from you but also you running this like a treadmill is a little confusing. My solving has clearly at this point been eventful. Sorry for showing a little humility I guess I can turn up the ego if you like lmao. I know that's not what you are saying yeah yeah, it is just the ultimate mountain out of a mole hill and would never be wolf indicative for me. My posting after doesnt really fit into this narrative as I did my best Anyway yknow?
Anyway as for my list idea I thunk I saw it in some game recently and I was like 'oh yeah that sounds fun' I of course know that good mafia players abhor fun (they play mafia after all) so I didn't expect it to be completed but I thought it would be fun if it did. The main purpose is fuck RVS and look, barely any RVS. Beautiful. Secondly I was just vibing with everyone's reactions and going from there. How people talk about things early isn't always apparent day 1 in terms of alignment but I bet if I go back after a scum flips something in that discussion will help me solve, or help others if I am dead. Laying weird situations as groundwork for people to come back to is fun and it has helped me a lot in games.
Anyway I think today has proven my fears to be true in that I feel the game has been really stagnant. Feels like it was mostly me and katze churning the butter while everyone else sat around talking about cape or me or katze all day. For all this talk about solving day one dya hasn't fulfilled much in the way of sharp conclusions. But dya, benneh, and myself all have sk in our bottom 5 and so does katze. So lets kill him for the crime of wall posting and move on.
Oh
Right.
I thought wolf katze wouldn't have their scum partner as 1 town and me as wolf there because of she pushed me over they would look paired if one of them died. Most wolves get really nitpicky about things like that. It wasn't a major read but I liked the thought so I ran with it.
.
God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.
All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'
Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.
Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'
Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.
More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.
In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.
I am ready to fucking NUKE SK at this point. I hate the thread state. I think it's ALL wrong but I don't want to be bossy or rude but my instincts are SCREAMING. I appeal to benneh, you katze, and dya and dya had already listened and you ended up listening too before I got juked. This is a letter of intent that SK is about to DIE if he doesn't do something.
So, he did something.
The first thing SK does when he posts, THE FIRST thing of note, is he responds to me. Because HE knows that accurate day 1 achro is, as the kids say, "a fucking problem" for wolves. So he wants to make this go away.
I don't think trying new things is unlike you. I think there's a big difference between you trying to make someone claim their item in draft mafia, which is something really proactive/bossy of you, you wanted to command thread. This was more like a silly experiment with no real mech reason behind it, it was also a lot more, uh, dependant on circumstances I'd say, a "Hmmm I wonder what will happens or what conclussions can be drawn from it" rather than "This is an strategy that I can agree with or at least understand". I don't think it's really AI (maybe it is but for that I'd need to know more about how you open a game as both alignments)
None, I think. Maybe I've read a game where you were wolfing but can't remember rn. I just felt it was wolfy. Or that must've been the case since I don't currently know which post we're talking about.
Don't think I can reference a wolf game where I reference other games tho I think I reference other games relatively often but it's not something I actively do.
I think something you said later that bothered you was related to me having both you and Taffy as wolves which didn't make any sense and my answer is that you're misunderstanding how I think about games. I can think about things that different players do are individually wolfy witouth having to check into the macro universe where I concilliate both of those things making sense. I see things I say things about them.
Also I don't currently think you're a wolf, kinda? Your push here towards me reminds me of your push in draft mafia. I think that if you were a wolf I'd be more bothered by your reasonings.
Okay. Great wolf post imo to attack 2023 town Achro. Just a clinic on how to disarm me. First, he gives kind of a reasonable explanation that I could see any town making about the difference in the two things. But it's apples to oranges and I know that, draft mafia was VERY mech heavy and so of course my opener wouldn't be mech heavy, but it's like 'ok MAYBE'
Next, he simply gives the answer 'we understand games differently' and that hits me because yeah, there's a lot of different ways to solve and I know sometimes I chop people over a misunderstanding rather than something wolfy. I am not INTIMATELY familiar with SK's game so him thinking of things different is possible and reasonable.
Then he hit me with the sucker punch. It will usually work if it's been awhile. We were both town in draft mafia and I suspected him a lot early. I hate when I tunnel badly and try my best to learn from it, so the above answers were reasonable enough and then he reminds me 'yeah this is like draft mafia, I think you're probably fine as it reminds me of that and your reasoning doesn't bother me' and it's like... oof. Right. Calling back to a specific time is something I like to see people do, it feels like they are recalling a memory. once day 1 after I did it. So I am now trying to make sure I am re-evaluating properly. This post knocked me down to 'okay I am not buying you completely here, but I am not in the mood to tunnel you after swinging and missing in draft mafia and town do remind me of this a lot'
so I got one last good look in before I got juked, from my apparent wolf partner (maybe more idk lol)
pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here
just for the joy
said to dya about voting sk
I respond with:
Why is the low posters the golden goose?
That snapped my attention RQ. I was voting SK. I believed in it. And Winston was going to vote anywhere BUT there? What!?
The response
too easy
So I attack SK on his first point, really the only one I can
Oh hello Keith. If you are town question. Why would my thing be as mech heavy as a draft mafia in a 13er lol
Come on that don't make any sense.
So why are we voting cape again?
Clever. I am attacking him and he takes a moment to defend someone I am defending. Very fucking clever. He knows how my town mind operates. I don't care if you town read me, but if you defend my town reads... it will soften me. It's so good. I don't know if he did it on purpose but this did soften me more. So now I think, 'okay I still don't get the opening post BUT now more importantly SK is pushing in the direction I want of not cape. Cool!'
back at my computer for the finale
I have changed my mind, SK is town
unvote: Silverkeith
time to murder a wolf in 51 minutes.
Oops.
Yes, very true. You can be town for understanding this and mistaking it for wolfy intent.
I like chaos as town.
I read his explanation and at this point I am focused on saving cape and go 'sure, it happens' because he did understand my intent before pretty well.
So from here I am obv town reading SK for the rest of the day off of this and I start by voting ladd for stated reasons.
I have killed a thousand towns and a thousand wolves. I fear no cringe. I am the embodiment of mafia justice itself.
I am a nerd.
But sincerely it feels like ladd is sipping drinking coffee and his observations feel okay but also his logic that one of me/katze must be a wolf because we wolf read each other is very predatory if katze is town. Like, 'ah I think they both look good, but idk...'
Also I feel like ladd's posting has kind of encouraged a lethargic feel to the thread. Like it's just easing the momentum towards 'yah bye cape' which we can flip today and if it is town makes ladd's efforts today look shady, chill game or no
also ladd what posts of mine are obvious villager posts. I will know if you are lying.
I think this post against ladd shows where my mind is at and how I got tripped up by sk. I am not preoccupied about 'got to murder a wolf' atp, I am thinking 'ok I think this game state is bad, ladd led the game state into being bad, even though I hedged I just think cape is town and I don't want cape to die.'
Have skimmed some of the last pages.
I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.
I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.
I glance at this. I'm okay with dya too, no reason to second guess this - sk is on my side here so far.
yo achro why is SK town
this isnt a loaded q just not sure what u saw
because I get when he was explaining why he suspected me he drew a very specific read to a very specific game and I immediately can understand how v!SK could take that to be wolf achro posturing.
oops, but explained more above.
Achro did you really wanted to tdome Katze at one point?
I mentally checked out by there I think but that's the last thing I member which didn't really made sense.
SK trying to recruit me to kill Katze.
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Sk(2): Dya, katze
Katze (2): ender, SK
ladd(2): Cape, achro
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Winston
Nah not really I wouldn't have minded some votes there to see what she did but I was just seeing how it panned out.
Reading katze off day 1 is hard so I like to prod people of her skill level to see what happens. Often can be telling in future days.
Me being like 'nah, I didnt really want a tdome' and moving on lol
I thought it was only SK you didn't want to touch. Now ladd? Why is that?
to winston not touching ladd. imo obv not partnered lol
No interest in Ender who is a capable mid to late game solver whose world view mostly lines up with mine, at least for day 1.
Pass.
Based read tbh
My kill order from that list is ladd > cape > katze fyi
Look I was in my feels and was growing comfortable with a cape info chop. I'm sorry.
vote: silverkeith
Note: I think cuth's only mentions of SK for day 1 are asking a question to ender about the wall, putting him in the middle of a reads list, and this vote up to this point. I could be wrong about that but if someone wants to check I don't think I am VERY wrong about that.
I've backread a bit and I don't want to lunch taffy, mostly because I think their post building structure makes them a player that's possible to read for me.
More agreement with me, of course I'm going to like this.
Ender was vibing with me heavily on several town reads which unless I am heavily skill issue'd usually indicates town in my experience.
He could be playing around me though, I suppose. I don't think he'd bother.
Me defending my town reads.
vote: benneh
stop trying to kill my town reads tbh
I think this is looking like a pretty cool vote personally.
Benneh(3): Winston, cuth, Achro
Sk(2): Dya, katze
Katze (2): ender, SK
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Achro(1): Taffy
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Cape
After this, I will note, cuth then goes to me to ender. I should have burned them all metaphorically.
I liked that last big taffy post.
Likes my tr yes yes I like this.
I am going to make dinner, have fun at end of day and if you kill me it was fun playing with everyone again.
Wolf achro starves rather than missing a chance to fuck with a town.
(for legal purposes this is a joke)
Then I see the insomnia post and agree with SK, it made my nose wiggle so I sheeped and went to make dinner.
And that's EOD.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 00:53
Wolf achro starves rather than missing a chance to fuck with a town.
honestly props for having the guts to admit it
Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender
Ender(3): benneh, katze, Cuth
insomnia(2): SK, Achro
Hmm.
Hmmmm.
lame day tbh
glgl
And I pop back in letting my thoughts be known lol
okay that's really eod
So I attack SK on his first point, really the only one I can
this is super nitpicky and you're free to ignore it but this wording sounds like a weird perspective even though it kind of makes sense in context anyways
but im posting it anyway
uhhh i just realized i kinda got distracted and forgot to nitpick at that one wall earlier oops lol
ill read over all the SK stuff in a bit too, trying to not information overload myself and i. still do want the other players outside the cross to do stuff today
also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth
maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug
Could not even allow me the honor of being paranoid of that man after he let cape die. The wolves are monstrous.
Also hopefully ender tricked me.
I will look back later to see if I notice anything about day 1 that proves useful.
I'm fucking dumb and have gotten so used to talking about Semis format + my only game on here having a town poisoner my first thought was 'aww man, a town poisoner' since people were sussing ender.
I am going to skip over ... a lot of things that irked the fuck out of me lol
My town reads are not all allowed to be right day 1 so I need to figure out which one is the imposter and figure out two below. Although I think dya had a post I really liked and insomnia had one I hated so hnmyes.
1/2 isn't bad as far as re-evals go.
I have multiple other commitments that consumed my time. I think it isn't that hard to find these commitments if one tries if you know me but that is all I will say.
I was in 4 other mafia games lol I am sick please help.
(I am healthy and pushing my mental limits, ironically, but different type of sickness)
You were trying to kill my top town read. It isn't that complicated.
I confused insomnia with benneh lol. I am so good at mafia tbh
bruh are you guys alright?
i’ve villa read ender xD i never wolf read him.
Achro was not, in fact, alright.
then I voted katze and laid down lol
Yeah I didn't like the obvious claim but also if I am mixing things up then yeah. Down with cuth and katze
Ok gn
Needed more follow through tbh
vote: silverkeith
seems like i can sleepwalk another lunch
because it worked so well the first time?
like did no one else think it was weird that someone who wasnt post capped only showed up at EOD
katze note dya's problem with this was my problem with it in real time. Like, yesterday (er day 1) I noted how shitty the thread felt so when you said that I was like "....really? a shrugyeet?"
i mean im not particularly unhappy with that eod so.. yes?
why are you snarking me when you agree with my vote
(...)
I hated the eod because I just felt a sense of doom the whole day. Your comment could have been about most people and I'd have gotten annoyed at it, from mafia philosophy.
Ah that was a bit of a joke you see. Intended as jest. A light hearted comment. The real read is in a thread full of several people who felt like either something was wrong or were trying to move things you had time to joke vote ladd. It felt like you were standing there knowing perfectly well the day was killing a town rather than a town trying to do something.
I tried to signal a few times to thread I felt like the game state was really bad but not only did you not notice you kind of were joking. Which is fine I guess it's just a game but if you are town actually trying to solve and win I am not seeing it in your process or your results atm.
You can only do so many 'sleep walk through the day' posts before I as a town player currently losing start thinking you are literally open wolfing because you probably do similar things as town.
So why I wanted questions is multiple times this game you have completely misread my intent so I am like 'hold up dont leave it to you' because in my head I am like 'oh god'
There are rarely one shrugyeet in achro games.
There are never 2.
I want a chill game too but if people want to shrugyeet again they can do it in a game I am not in.
Anyway will discuss more tomorrow. Eyes barely open.
Remains true even though I fought for the wrong team on this one. Shrugyeets were common on gamefaqs and it led to so many losses after I was n1'd they make me ITCH.
(also you sussed me early day 2 and asked rhetorically 'how does he believe the words he is saying' and my point to you now is 'ask about specific words and I will say, and if you dont like it fair enough but give me a chance to explain my very weird brain)
Oh, I missed some things in this wall
why is this towny??????????
like. what?
what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother
like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit
what??
well, explained.
...........................................
you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year
inchresting
not my style tbh
i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from
god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but
sighs
I had you outside of my bottom 3 even though you were in my POE for day 1 wariness and I was growing suspicious of ladd so he was too below you, so someone I suspected going 'okay this villager (me) and this other ??? may have a wolf" it makes me squint.
and seriously what the FUCK is this
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO
EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS
Okay so the post is this:
ladd: I am not getting up out of bed for this
cape and katze: bring it on
difference check choo choo
and seriously what the FUCK is this
(I just missed this because I was unwell btw lmao oops)
So
I thought you and cape were trying to get thread moving: good good yes yes
Ladd was just sitting back: wolf ok with game state
I was a level off here, they were fine with cape but really a stronger villager later (like insomnia or ender) was what they were aiming for. Alas.
also I had like 5-6 fake claim posts day 1 and saying ladd would be shot tonight was supposed to be a fake vig claim, and also not my style as wolf at all.
you said 'awoo' to me understanding taffy was town. gdi lol
MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT
you are spouting actual garbage this eod
Your world view at the time is 'Achro sheeps wolf buddy on v/v wagons and then goes to make dinner'
I mean, it'd be an interesting choice ngl.
this is super nitpicky and you're free to ignore it but this wording sounds like a weird perspective even though it kind of makes sense in context anyways
but im posting it anyway
uhhh i just realized i kinda got distracted and forgot to nitpick at that one wall earlier oops lol
Well one is a difference in solving philosophy so I can just say 'nuh-uh' and the other SK had on the facts that I was wrong about him so like ... yeah I was, sure.
also I think I said earlier: it's not an achro game if I don't sound weird. I think I sound less weird as a wolf tbh because I am creative writing more.
also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth
maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug
This makes sense.
But also I feel like I am just unpaired with both and also with SK given angle of attack and angle of retreat. It's such a stupid angle to take if I know SK is a wolf, but also to side eye winston over SK too? It's really doing the most day 1 when I don't particularly bus much day 1 when I can help it, and town was sleep walking through that eod if me/sk were both wolves tbh
Visor asks Benneh 'who after SK if wolf'
hopefully dvc
idk honestly, prob in the you/ahcro/katze triangle
Cool.
Anyway I got angry like an idiot zzz
Anyway, that being said good morning friends and foes alike.
I don’t really mind dying today if you all can’t gel with my world view, it’ll probably make each side happier and it is just a fun, chill game after all.
Anyway I found the Ladd kill a little odd at first, not that I would tunnel him or anything - that was mostly to reflect back on after the fact and see how people moved around others - but he was undoubtedly the leader yesterday who sent us into the rocks of a Cape kill.
So, why kill Ladd? I think it is either something else he posted, or what he would have thought after reflecting on the fact Cape was town over night. So I’m going to put my Ladd cap on and try to go over the thread a bit before I have to leave, not sure how much I will get done.
Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.
Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya
Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.
So in total I need to find 3 scum in 9 names
Katze
Insomnia
SK
Cuth
Benneh
Winston
Visor
Taffy
Dya
And my starting premise is Katze/Insomnia are unlikely to be w/w. Alright then.
My first town core slot is going to Taffy. 95% confidence on this one. For starters, I know personally my ability to perceive intent on who votes me has a stellar track record, I’d give that 90% by itself, but the thread state of poking Taffy a lot over what I thought was an interesting and towny way of voting me brings it up another 5%. I know they are a skilled player, so I leave myself open to being fooled as we haven’t played together before and that’s where my social reads are weakest, but as of this moment I think I’d just lose to Taffy for that play + the thread state around them.
Which that alone now makes my job reading day 1 kind of a lot easier. I now have 5 villagers in my head that I can see how the other 8 suspects interacted with to see who pushed pro-town agenda, who pushed anti-town agenda, who coasted along, and who is unclear even with this.
Cool, that’s a lot of data. But let’s try to add at least 1-2 more likely town to this list to make it even better.
I liked Cuth in general yesterday but soured in real time in EOD, however if Ender is willing to let that go so am I, who am I to OMGUS for another man? So I’ll put Cuth in my town pile.
I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK nebjiamn
(This isn’t loaded I don’t understand)
Dya I warmed back on due to these posts:
Wolves typically complete assignments as asked, Katze asked for 5 names but said less was ok, and Dya took the opportunity to give less. Not hugely confident, but a note.
I felt yesterday this was like me - concerned about moving the thread. There was a lot of dead air around Cape and I am presuming Taffy yesterday, so when Dya had cuth listed because the thread wasn’t being moved I really liked that comment a lot. It felt like a non-obvious mindmeld of concern for the state of things. I didn’t feel pandered to or manipulated, although I don’t know dya’s complete wolf range it is enough for me to slot them into my town pile for now.
Ender (Poisond)
Taffy
Cuth
Dya
Current town pile, leaving me with:
Katze
Insomnia
SK
Benneh
Winston
Visor
3 wolves, 3 villagers. I do not believe Katze/Insomnia are paired.
I paused for a second to wonder what Visor is even talking about, and now my head is back to hurting.
SK probably has wolf equity. I was running strats at EOD and was handwaving people as towny/wolfy to try to see where the chaos led, my town read on SK was pretty weak tbh.
I will leave it here for now as I am overdoing it I think still, but my direction is pretty clear atm. Go through the thread and see how the above six moved around the other 7 players and try to find the 3 most pockety/predatory among them while keeping an eye out for signs of being partnered.
Cool.
So I review things and I realize 'okay, the SK town read at eod was pretty weak' which yeah, it was. I make the intuitive thought that perhaps all of the wolves were off of Cape (I think this is correct now) so I start breaking it down.
I thought benneh/sk were unaligned in this post due to how it felt like he was treating sk/dya the same but yeah, not liking my reason for really thinking SK was town at the time so back into the suspect pile he went.
Then visor said more things...
Lmao
*moves Winston to town pile*
I'm stupid okay I really thought that was a town poisoner claim lol
EnderWiggin
Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.
I wanted to solve with ender because I trusted him, good decision making to want to solve with a slot you trust.
unvote: katze
Executive decision in my brain to leave katze for last in my thinking. I have devoted too much time to my second favorite MU champs winner, I will come back to them at the close of the show c
Good decision making.
Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.
Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.
Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!
Like... I didn't want to be at lylo with this person who was tunneling me this is such a really weird out of the box way to get town cred lmao. I was being really sincere here. I felt like taffy was obv town but I just wasn't reaching them at all so I didn't want to be the game ending chop (oh boy)
vote: SK
I have decided katze is probably town whose marketing for this chop needs a lot of revisement.
But also I made a bad change of read eod and I will go back to sk being frozen and crying in wolf chat as in my current world view there are no viable teams that do not involve him.
Cool cool. Cool.
Good post. Great post. Katze just said it wrong, all times revolve around SK. We're good.
could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me
(towntell)
I argue with visor some more, baffled how I did nothing for cape in his view.
Achro seething in Google docs rn
true
I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?
I am just stupid, katze. lol. I wasn't trying to push any weird narrative I just misread the intent all day.
i meant in general because I have no idea how to approach his posts for the most part and that extends beyond this game
I think this is dya agreeing with this take atp but lol
vote: silverkeith
for now in italics
me and visor agree, ok based
Brain too mush to give you questions rn. I'm trying to catch up and maybe will see something to ask you about.
Ender responds to me and I am like cool, we're going to solve together.
Vote: Achro
I changed my mind.
Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."
This... broke my brain. I had been struggling to get traction in the thread but was feeling a bit better day 2 and ender's sudden turn around from solving with me to voting with me just... ruined my mafia day real quick.
I... don't really want to discuss the rest of day 2 tbh because I went from this to thinking visor was red checked most of the day to after he wasnt red checked me just having a head full of confirmation bias. But reading this back... it kind of hurts that it was my top town read at the time that kind of demoralized me. He is just trying to solve the game, it isn't a blame thing, but... fuck. I was voting SK before this. This is where things started to go wrong.
katze you and winston are my jury in my eyes atm. Is it okay if I move on to SOD3?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 02:02
yes
yes
I like you, enemies we may be.
Good egg, I was right about that.
katze you and winston are my jury in my eyes atm. Is it okay if I move on to SOD3?
was afk, yeah i won't force you to go over eod2 i can reread it for myself if i deem it necessary
(still not really here)
Fuck storm just knocked my power out when I was on an epic rant on why a post cleared me here.
I did not think about this game once meaningfully in the past 24 hours because my solve got so warped around thinking Visor was red checked.
I had taffy and cuth as town regardless of visor things though, so now cuth.
If you suspect me all I can ask is that you try to ask questions before voting for me, and I will do my best to answer them in in a meaningful way.
I was looking forward to voting sleep to get more time, but guess not.
o/
also i think you're a villager? probably my top v read tbh
Man it was great. I was mentioning how I was shad in pokemash and cuth is you and how I swerved him when he was pocketing me and stuff. It was dramatic.
Anyway katze the simple fact is wolf achro at lylo at least before f3 has no reason to ever turn on cuth there when I was being top tr'd by him and a known town also tr'd him. What was I trying to accomplish here? Solving.
I feel like this is intuitive and straight forward. It requires no hoops. If you had crossed me like you threatened and cuth is town I would have won, katze. I could have crossed you then and there. Winston may be my buddy in your world but cuth was top town reading me. Now maybe that scenario isn't 100% true. Maybe town cuth woukd have found it odd. But I certainly had no reason to then do a massive dump on my top town read.
Anyway moving on but the wolf mentality is just not there at all imo
Man it was great. I was mentioning how I was shad in pokemash and cuth is you and how I swerved him when he was pocketing me and stuff. It was dramatic.
Anyway katze the simple fact is wolf achro at lylo at least before f3 has no reason to ever turn on cuth there when I was being top tr'd by him and a known town also tr'd him. What was I trying to accomplish here? Solving.
I feel like this is intuitive and straight forward. It requires no hoops. If you had crossed me like you threatened and cuth is town I would have won, katze. I could have crossed you then and there. Winston may be my buddy in your world but cuth was top town reading me. Now maybe that scenario isn't 100% true. Maybe town cuth woukd have found it odd. But I certainly had no reason to then do a massive dump on my top town read.
Anyway moving on but the wolf mentality is just not there at all imo
Also insomnia thought I was town and you were bad yesterday
And benneh too
Everyone in the thread but sk thought I was townier than you. I just go after you as a wolf and win my dude lmao. Winston won't understand this but you should if town.
Hell, I just cross you TODAY and win if winston is my partner, or anyone if you are town.
I feel like this is where you vote cuth because if you're town I am... just right?
Cuth said I was still town
Benneh said I was town and asked winston to NOT vote me.
katze my guy. I have no wolf equity in v you worlds lol. This won't help winston but... I shouldn't need to go on I just realized.
but also I am tired now and I realize somewhere today I posted a breakdown of my thoughts on SK day 3 already and how him trying to cross insomnia before cuth could even respond to me raised, like, a million red flags for SK and got me to change my mind on insomnia.
At no point after SK posted that did I do anything but grill the fuck out of SK compared to Insomnia.
tldr;
Scumread SK to start
start of EOD1 want to nuke SK
SK posts response hitting my weak point, defends multiple town reads of mine (cape, dya, and taffy - reversing earlier stance) gets me to back off due to all of this.
Day 2
Re-evaluate, realize I was probably too soft on SK and vote there again. Ask for Ender's help. Ender votes me. Nothing else happened day 2.
Day 3
I start thinking about the game, I realize cuth has done some things I find shall we say disagreeable at eod. I relate to my own scum game. I think cuth >> benneh >> insomnia in terms of confidence.
SK says he will read the Cuth posts later and says he will cross Insomnia in an hour
My immediate reaction: the fuck you are (pretty much lol)
And from there it was a lot of suspicion, I dug out an old game, and suggested winston to kill SK.
If the team was SK/Me/? insomnia was a pretty terrible target given the 3 way way between benneh/winston/katze tbh. Someone from town would misvote there if 2 of you were town imo. Maybe it's simple for me to say because I know my wolf game, but it also feels incredibly intuitive to say as well.
I think my SK thoughts felt rather rapid but weren't really. I mostly ended up liking SK because I thought he was unpaired from visor iirc.
Winston Hughes Heya. I think you are town. You haven't been on today and I know you don't want to read through all of that muck I have posted for katze so if you have any questions please let me know when you are on. I will do my best not to give you a book.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 02:59
Winston Hughes Heya. I think you are town. You haven't been on today and I know you don't want to read through all of that muck I have posted for katze so if you have any questions please let me know when you are on. I will do my best not to give you a book.
Winston Hughes Heya. I think you are town. You haven't been on today and I know you don't want to read through all of that muck I have posted for katze so if you have any questions please let me know when you are on. I will do my best not to give you a book.
Okay that's funny.
But I thought winston was my scumbuddy iyo?
AH-HA!
Winston Hughes Heya. I think you are town. You haven't been on today and I know you don't want to read through all of that muck I have posted for katze so if you have any questions please let me know when you are on. I will do my best not to give you a book.
fwiw the "i just cross you" argument is definitely one ive considered
i might have said that earlier? idk i definitely thought bout it
im definitely confident in winning crosses and i know you know that but i also know you're just as confident in yourself so that evens out
winning crosses is easier than deciding which side of a cross to support at least smh
although to be honest i think most of why i havent placed a vote is because nobody else has either
i like, really want benneh to vote b4 me
although to be honest i think most of why i havent placed a vote is because nobody else has either
i like, really want benneh to vote b4 me
He won't. And Hughes has a deadline of well before eod
Tbh. I am supremely confident as a wolf with any third yesterday if I snap voted you for your opening saying you wanted to snap vote me i win 100% in cuth v worlds.
The thread was way too against you atp
Benneh probably second wolf. He ain't bailing you and winston out.
Don't know if I have the last wolf right tbh. I don't know either one of them well. But I know I got the second. Re evaluation later days. You should remember this quite well from poke mash my friend. This is peak magikarp.
tbf during pokemash i just watched you kill people and was hoping you were wrong since i didnt know my bros
at least i got to misyeet the most obv villa itg rip my man lol
tbf during pokemash i just watched you kill people and was hoping you were wrong since i didnt know my bros
at least i got to misyeet the most obv villa itg rip my man lol
LMAO.
poor ace, literally the only wolf that fooled me.
But I mean yeah tr'ing cuth for days and then going 'wait a second' is classic robyn tbh tbh
But yeah, I think I did everything I could today. I am proud of myself for getting over my nerves and crossing correctly. That shit is tough. I kept waiting for a good answer (FMPOV still hug bros) from cuth and I kept not getting them. So I... took the plunge.
I think I got it, unfortunately I don't know the magic words to convince you/winston, and there may be none.
I think to put it simply for cuth, the smoking gun that he says he explained but I disagree is why he was in insomnia with 4 minutes left with SK but never voted benneh once at eod when he said he suspected him and I offered to NOT vote visor in exchange for that wagon, when benneh was in his top tier scum with sk and insomnia was below in a pool with you and I think taffy maybe? someone.
It just doesn't have a good explanation. Yeah, he voted sk at 7:58 at the very end, but before that if he had used his thread pull to kill benneh with me he could. Yet he claims, despite me not being in his broad poe at any point or I think even mentioning suspicion of me at that eod, that I was the reason to not vote benneh? When visor/benneh was part of my solve and I was willing to concede visor for one of his top scum reads?
He says he has answers. And... they are words, but I think even from just an objective POV it's twisting into knots. If cuth was town, I am 100% confident he would have voted benneh with me to remove a vote from visor. It's just good townplay to vote with your town reads, but today he acted like I was suspicious to him but there's nothing backing that up in thread.
So I reasoned he is a wolf. And I hope you and Winston can too.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:28
i don't care about playing games with you (wrt voting benneh)
that does not interest me
i get that you think i should play games with you
but i don't
i don't care about playing games with you (wrt voting benneh)
that does not interest me
i get that you think i should play games with you
but i don't
It wasn't a game, I was trying to kill your top tier scum read lol.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:31
It wasn't a game, I was trying to kill your top tier scum read lol.
and you were also trying to kill my top two townreads lol
even after i townread you i had no real reason to trust your judgement or want to vote with you
cuth i kind of dont get what you're doing in thread anymore
you sound miserable talking to achro
maybe im reading the tone wrong
(fwiw im probs not gonna do ~anything tonight beyond surface level stuff/realtiming, kinda just vibing with people tonight. maybe later ill get a random urge tho)
and you were also trying to kill my top two townreads lol
even after i townread you i had no real reason to trust your judgement or want to vote with you
Hold on, which one is it?
Because earlier you said...
this is the post i made to explain more when you asked me about that the first time lol
i didn't think dya was a 100% villager
but i did think it was pretty likely towards eod given i did believe pretty strongly in sk at that point and they were one of the people not killing visor and our reads lined up a fair amount
but i wouldn't call that finding them like i didn't really assess their posts individually and decide ah yes this is a villager it just got there towards the end of the phase based on how stuff was playing out
---
the post with five names was my poe with the top two being most likely wolves at that point in time and then the backup candidates
Also, I wasn't using my judgment to vote benneh, it was yours. He was YOUR scum read. I offered, and then did vote Benneh, stopping pushing on both of your top town reads.
Shouldn't that make you happy that I am willing to sheep your vote?
So now Dya is your second town read of the game, so you did find her. Earlier you tried to say you didn't. Probably because internally you know it sounds like TMI with how you phrased it. But now they are back to being super town reads and you don't let me sheep one of your top scum reads due to... MY judgment? I was compromising with you. Visor and Dya have no issues that day from me if we vote benneh. Frankly visor lives and probably shoots me lol.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:39
cuth i kind of dont get what you're doing in thread anymore
you sound miserable talking to achro
maybe im reading the tone wrong
(fwiw im probs not gonna do ~anything tonight beyond surface level stuff/realtiming, kinda just vibing with people tonight. maybe later ill get a random urge tho)
you're not wrong
waiting for the game to end, mostly, and expecting it to have done by now
my relationship with mafia isn't a super healthy one
i went and stared at my valley and breathed for half an hour earlier I'll be ok
To summarize. Me voting your top tier scum read (one which was SK) for some reason weirded you out more than the time you spent on Insomnia WITH SK, despite SK being your top scum read near EOD and despite Insomnia being a lesser read?
The math has never mathed, and I just hope katze and winston see that.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:40
So now Dya is your second town read of the game, so you did find her. Earlier you tried to say you didn't. Probably because internally you know it sounds like TMI with how you phrased it. But now they are back to being super town reads and you don't let me sheep one of your top scum reads due to... MY judgment? I was compromising with you. Visor and Dya have no issues that day from me if we vote benneh. Frankly visor lives and probably shoots me lol.
I can't read my literal explanation of the point you're still trying to make in the quotes you just posted for you, unfortunately
but it's there!
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:40
To summarize. Me voting your top tier scum read (one which was SK) for some reason weirded you out more than the time you spent on Insomnia WITH SK, despite SK being your top scum read near EOD and despite Insomnia being a lesser read?
The math has never mathed, and I just hope katze and winston see that.
ok
my bad I'll vote better next time
you're not wrong
waiting for the game to end, mostly, and expecting it to have done by now
my relationship with mafia isn't a super healthy one
i went and stared at my valley and breathed for half an hour earlier I'll be ok
I am glad my relationship with mafia is (much) healthier now than it used to be. Day 2 really was like my first bad moment all year, improvement etc.
But yeah take care of yourself, I'm just trying to prove you are a wolf if you want to stop lmk and I'll just leave thread with you so you don't feel the need to be here with me. It's just a game.
ok
my bad I'll vote better next time
I am in no position to judge votes, but what I am critiquing and I believe fairly is the thinking process behind those votes. Your posts for 47 hours of the Cuth were spotless. You did a great job. But I couldn't reckon your EOD actions with your reads list, and nothing you said made it better for me personally and that's what led to my vote.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:45
I am in no position to judge votes, but what I am critiquing and I believe fairly is the thinking process behind those votes. Your posts for 47 hours of the Cuth were spotless. You did a great job. But I couldn't reckon your EOD actions with your reads list, and nothing you said made it better for me personally and that's what led to my vote.
yup
So here's what I think happened.
I think start by the start of day two you and Benneh, the deeper wolves, had figured out that SK was expendable for thread cred and I am sure this was reinforced by Katze over here wanting to just shrugyeet SK. He was, in mafia terms, damaged good. Honestly, he probably dies a lot more cleanly Day 2 without an FPS but hey what can you do. So you and Benneh, the informed minority, know SK is a wolf and Visor is town for all of the day. You accept the FPS because it's fun, but when Ender drops it you go hard defense and bus SK like you two were always planning to do, with a faint hope of maybe getting away with an Insomnia chop if possible until last second.
There are two wolves remaining, there are three people alive who were on Visor.
The question katze and Winston need to ask themselves, among others, is 'I am a town on Visor. Why can't Achro be a town on Visor too?' What good does it do me to try to push over Visor? If visor ISN'T killed, I am obviously paired with my scumbuddy and I look terrible. Same applies to the other two. When SK was thought of a shrugyeet who could POSSIBLY want to kill Visor except for silly, uninformed town members? Even SK himself only joined minutes prior when it was a matter of survival.
There are two wolves. Two members left from the SK wagon. You positioned yourself to win, and you use it as a hammer against those who didn't have the answer. A perfectly executed use of your informed minority status to wrest control of the game once SK flipped except your EOD just doesn't quite make sense. It's such a tiny flaw in an otherwise beautiful game. Too tiny, I think, for most to even look at it twice. I am only hoping, as we enter perhaps the final hours of this game, that I have done enough to be convincing for my fellow townies to see the good in my flawed and uninformed view of the world.
you're not wrong
waiting for the game to end, mostly, and expecting it to have done by now
my relationship with mafia isn't a super healthy one
i went and stared at my valley and breathed for half an hour earlier I'll be ok
were you not breathing until then that sounds bad
and yeah i feel that, im trying to find a good medium. i think this game was closer than ive ever really gotten at least
Days 3 and 4 have been fantastic for me.
Game started on day 3, right?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:55
Days 3 and 4 have been fantastic for me.
Game started on day 3, right?
I'm glad you're having fun
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 03:56
genuinely
genuinely
I appreciate this more than you know. I am gentler than I might sometimes seem in the midst of mafia.
You said you aren't having fun atm though. I think any more is just beating the point and my last few posts sum up my feelings well. Shall we both adjourn for our peers to judge us?
question for the class: if a fish went fishing would that be fucked up or what
question for the class: if a fish went fishing would that be fucked up or what
I mean, it depends on the fish species I think? Like, is the fish super closely related or is it distant so like would it be... a human hunting apes or something. Maybe still wrong but not the same as cannibalism you know?
i was woefully unprepared for an actual analytical answer and that is a skill issue on my part
i was woefully unprepared for an actual analytical answer and that is a skill issue on my part
Cuth is frozen and crying in wolf chat.
gn.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 04:27
no i was eating pizza and playing chess
a good life
no i was eating pizza and playing chess
a good life
what kind of cheese
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 04:28
what kind of cheese
cheddar
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 05:38
question for the class: if a fish went fishing would that be fucked up or what
nope
nope
wolfy
(gn, i am vaguely hoping i wake up to one of the other two having cast a vote and the game not being over, but either way ive had fun today ty for gaming gamers)
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 05:45
night katze
sleep well! get good rest in your brain
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 08:07
for now i'm ignoring everything being said lately and just reading back over previous days
so far the main takeaway is that katze looks better and everyone else looks worse
if it comes to it again today, instead of a coin flip i'm thinking of giving my cat two bowls of treats to choose between
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 08:12
oh, and another thing, the term 'skill issue' really needs to fuck off
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 09:17
heh
skill issue
Raskolnikov
08-10-2023, 09:20
oh, and another thing, the term 'skill issue' really needs to fuck off
Blame MU and its dumb memes...
Tally is unchanged :bow:
oh, and another thing, the term 'skill issue' really needs to fuck off
I say skill issue instead of I am an idiot tbh sounds better to me.
QUOTE=Achro;2053848504]I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.
But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?[/QUOTE]
i'm open to the possibility for sure
QUOTE=Achro;2053848504]I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.
But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?[/QUOTE]
i'm open to the possibility for sure
insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?
this is a bizarre way of framing it?? i don't think sk's posts have been fantastic either but i don't think his posts have been so terrible that he'd be being run up no contest if there weren't wolves propping him up for ?some reason?
QUOTE=Achro;2053848504]I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.
But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?[/QUOTE]
i'm open to the possibility for sure
QUOTE=Achro;2053848504]I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.
But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?[/QUOTE]
i'm open to the possibility for sure
insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?
this is a bizarre way of framing it?? i don't think sk's posts have been fantastic either but i don't think his posts have been so terrible that he'd be being run up no contest if there weren't wolves propping him up for ?some reason?
vote: insomnia
How you liking this?
sk's posts kinda got reasonable for a little bit in the middle and now i'm back to "how are those actual opinions on this game"
anyway I tell myself if I get angry I am skill issued as a rule, so maybe visor is a silly vig and its benneh/dya/?
votes on benneh, good luck, I'm just a fish who tried his best and... yeah, won't be playing here again either way I think, bad vibes.
This is important because at 7:19 I am willing to concede that I fucked up on visor. I am confirmation biased on dya but 40 minutes until eod and I am actively reconsidering visor w. Cuth response to this post is fine he talks about my attitude but notably never brings up the fact that I am reconsidering visor or wanting benneh over first atp because actually good for me I had forgotten I did realize that my anger serves me no good. 40 minutes to eod I am no longer pushing visor. I am pushing benneh. Cuth still doesn't vote benneh and reading this back cuth's answers today don't add up as to why he never voted benneh because I was suspecting visor. His vote was on insomnia here and atp he had soft defended sk at times.
explain to me in detail how the visor vig claim makes more sense as a wolf than as a villager here
Instead of engaging with me saying visor may be v and I am sucking he does engage with sk instead.
vote: nebjiamn
sorry for the rand brother, sorry to the town for skill issuing this one earlier lol
Katze joins benneh wagon.
again there are a lot of claims that would give him a much higher chance of making it another day and aren't nearly as suspicious as vig, since unless ender full rescinded there the vig claim was always completely unbelievable
and i don't think it makes sense that he'd a) make a pr claim and b) assume ender didn't have any results, because if he was a wolf the only way he could assume b was if he didn't do anything last night, in which case he'd have no need to claim pr because he'd know it was fps?
Cuth keeps talking to sk.
vig claim means visor dies today unless fully rescinded
other pr claims mean visor could survive even motion detected or something like that
but his specific claim would be suicidal as wolf unless he had 100% confidence ender was faking the peek
unless i'm missing something
Visor(3): SK, Taffy, insom
Benneh(3): Achro, ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, Benneh
katze(2): WH, Visor
insom(1): cuth
In context cuth quoted a post of mine 15 minutes ago saying 'hey nabbed I am wrong on visor let's go benneh' and he ignored that part, discussed another part, and is off both main wagons on insomnia which really makes no sense with his poe.
yes but his claim would not maximize his chances of living one more day??
Keeps talking to sk (he snuck in a visor response about him almost certainly being v - something most people without tmi were not saying)
vote: silverkeith
it's literally mechanics
Votes sk after going back and forth 20 minutes after I stopped pushing visor.
ok can we just kill sk
Pushing the mafia goon for thinking visor isn't confirmed when most people were saying that. Yes sk was mafia goon but lots of people didn't think visor was lock town but cuth chose to have a spar with sk. It's intentional. It's informed. Everyone else was in chaos but cuth talked mostly with just sk for awhile back and forth here.
dude
i think visor is ~clear at this point by the mechanics of his claim
and that makes a big difference in my reads
and you're still w-reading him
and so i'm trying to explain the logic to you and it doesn't seem like you're even trying to hear what i'm saying
what on earth else should i be doing right now
A lot of people were still suspicious of visor. But cuth really wanted everyone to see him and sk go at it and sk obliged.
?????????
this is the most pointless interaction i have had all game and that's saying something
Why would v!cuth ever say this if he thought he was exposing a wolf? Not pointless at all then.
w/w
:curtain:
Benneh couldn't help himself tbh. He says sk/cuth is w/w and he is right and this imo will maybe prove to be tmi in the end.
sk/benneh
katze/insom/taffy?
I said I could be wrong on visor 20 minutes ago but it was never addressed. Doesn't mention thinking I was suspicious for my benneh push once like he claimed he thought today. It's just made up.
ok i think you have a bit of a point i might be generalizing the feelings from visor being lock w after md claim into the stuff before
i still think there are a lot of better claims than vig there??
but you're right it's not lock
In response to katze confused why cuth thinks visor is a lock. Cuth's tmi is showing and pulls it back.
vote: insomnia
Why vote insomnia here as a villager? When sk/benneh are wagons. There is no answer that's good because cuth is a wolf. I know this for a fact. I hope the villagers see it too.
taffy feels similar to sk in my mind
which is a thing
Comparing taffy to sk.
...
That is certainly a comparison alright.
i wouldn't trust in me
Tells visor not to trust him on insomnia. Good advice tbh.
then why are you on it
Why is cuth not more concerned at 6 minutes before eod that his top suspect is on a wagon with him as a villager? Again. No Good answer. He is a wolf. And he avoided benneh like a plague for reasons he said today that are not backed up by reality. He claims I was hard tunneled on visor but actually when I extended the olive branch on benneh I SPECIFICALLY SAID you know what. My anger gets the best of me. Maybe I got this wrong. So no. I was not in fact trying to kill Visor for long stretches of eod. My vote on benneh and my olive branch was extended for quite some time. Taffy even hilariously in hindsight accused me of moving votes away from visor in a partnered fashion which admittedly I didn't respond to well. I was trying to admit my wrong and vote with my town read but cuth was too busy atp voting with his top scum read sk
no but like actually why are you on it
No unvote yet. No recognition of 'oh wait sk has been scummy this is a bad wagon' just a back and forth between buddies.
i probably will do that
Just more theater with sk
is this a good time to say that i thought your eod was pretty wolfy actually
Sneaks in a jab at katze
And that is cuth's eod
katze Winston Hughes I think if you read this and then read his explanations today why he didn't vote benneh with me you will see why I voted him and why you should too. It is cuth/benneh.
Sorry about the beginning I fucked that up lol
I will also note that cuth basically quoted 3 total messages of mine and said vague things how I could be partnered with sk and when asked who my buddy id abs having three choices my friend over here literally said 'could be anyone'
He is almost in anti spew at this point hoping you guys are either paranoid of me or benneh can clutch it in f3. The man who had top town reads on visor and dya at a time where we were confused and uncertain now feels like he is clueless. It is because his tmi doesn't suit him here. Making reads and analyzing the game isn't beneficial as it might cause one of the villagers to suspect something. So he reacts to me and hopes it is enough.
It is easy to look good with tmi and games are hard at the start because a lot of pieces are unflipped. But as you remove pieces it brings clarity to things. So how could cuth who nailed sk, who called visor obv town, top town read dya (his words today not mine) miss so badly on me being a wolf to the point that I was his top town?
He didnt. The reads aren't real. Even after I cased him yesterday he held fast that I was his top town read and he tried to speak to me. Say it was a misunderstanding. I asked questions. He in my estimation gave answers that did not satisfy me so I voted. It is only then when suddenly I am a self but the evidence he has for this isnt a lot and I have shown pretty well imo that his eod mindset is very pairing with benneh and his interactions with sk are intentional, two way, and different from any sk interactions with flipped town.
If you are uncertain I would really again ask winston and katze to ask me any question you like. I think I have presented a really solid case.
But either way the back half of the game was super fun for me tbh. It's been a long ass time since I was at lylos as town. The pressure is wrecks my nerves but it is also really thrilling.
I love mafia.
Sorry I am phone posting warly in the morning so the typos are real lol
Anyway I have talked a lot about cuth but if we don't get both wolves in the next two days town loses so my observations about benneh are less than cuth because benneh is harder to pin down. Benneh mostly posted well and was on sk early which is different from cuth. Also benneh says that the reason a wolf cuth wouldn't vote for him was THE FEAR and that sounds hollow but maybe it isn't? I don't know their relationship so if wonston or kkatze thinks this makes sense maybe it does. I found the behavior pairing but it doesnt have to be.
I found sk's appealing to katze calling me wolfy yesterday to be unpairing but there are worlds where sk is always going to try to take the fall and this is anti spew. Katze day 1 did vote me after I voted sk which could be a chainsaw defense. I found cuth's movement around katze pretty predatory in places in terms of the ease of it and they didn't feel like they were on the same wavelength very much.
Winston going 'not sk' is a bad look and also insomnia thought winston was very wolfy. But cuth's treatment of them also feels like they were concerned when winston suspected them compared to when benneh or sk said it.
They both have some wolf equity but it always felt like when cuth and benneh discussed things it was like brothers arguing. I didn't feel any real heat. A lot like sk/cuth eod where they argued on and on but somehow with 5 minutes left they were both voting for insomnia.
My reads are less accurate the less I know people. I would have loved to get some real time going with benneh but since I placed my vote on cuth he has not had any thoughts for me other than me being brain dead for suspecting him. Which tbf I did say if that's all he had then he shouldn't reply so I guess that checks out.
If cuth is voted out and I die consider my spirit vote on benneh in f3 but also I would want to ask anyone alive in f3 questions similar to the ones I asked cuth today. I would not be above re evaluation.
Rn I am stuck on why v!benneh offers?winston no guidance on who to vote after the cross. He has suspected cuth and katze for days so complete radio silence feels like a wolf claim fmpov but again I don't know benneh so I don't know if this is always how he is at lylo and it's just different. Like how Katze's was different.
So yeah if game continues that's my f3 legacy. Strongly leaning benneh but I would treat both people like I did cuth today and ask questions before making my mind up.
Another difference check between katze/winston and benneh/cuth imo is how both benneh and cuth have wielded 'being right' like a cudgel while both winston and katze have shown humility and understanding.
Winston will admit when things make them look bad. They will own up to their flaws and resolve to do better. Katze will mostly say they understand mindsets or things are reasonable. They admit to making errors and even saying something like being happy about eod1 when a villager was killed feels very towny to me because I disagree but it is also earnest sounding. It did help them solve despite a town being dead.
Cuth seemed to enjoy telling katze I was alive be ause my solve yesterday was benneh/visor/dya so of course I would live. He tried to beat me over the head that I was WRONG about visor and WRONG about dya ao why woukd he vote benneh with me? Despite that not making sense since he was the one who cased benneh independent of me. But he uses what I was wrong about to stab me. It's very wolfy. Very 'informed minority' style of play.
Benneh as well let's us know 'I had the best play of any villager here except maybe dya(who is dead)' so I have EARNED the right to vote last. He wields what I believe is TMI like a weapon. Ready to disarm anyone who dares approach him.
That's just a very wolfy tactic tbh. 'I am town because I was right' at lylo is actually a really bad argument. Because all of the best town were night killed by the mafia so if you were so right then why are you here?
I know why me winston and katze are here. We are silly and voted visor. Defended sk in places. Suspected obvious town. We kind of fucked up. We were uninformed.
But if benneh is so good... why is he so certain he is even going to make f3? Why does he feel the need to 'be confirmed' by voting last? Rhetorical of course. It's all imo just games. Just tricks of light.
Katze is here because they have been paranoid of me all game
Winston is here because they have been paranoid of katze all game
I am here because I have been paranoid of katze all game.
Just three little town mice dancing to the tune of the wolves. Benneh and cuth playing fucking amazing. Why are they here then?
They will have answers to this of course. There are always answers to any question in mafia. But they weren't killed so either they are wolves (in the case of cuth this is a certainty) or maybe they didn't play well enough to call people brain dead for suspecting them.
I just like philosophizing. Don't mind me
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 14:54
i dont play lylo like you do and i dont need to appeal to the other two players who both have mafia equity about who to vote between two players where at least 1 is confirmed mafia. information is power in this scenario and i hold all the cards because i'm a villager and i don't need to do anything other than cast a good vote today and i can be stubborn as all hell and demand i vote last which is what im going to do
if katze is a villager they'll understand. they might not like it but they'll understand. i have no idea what winston will do but he was also gone all day yesterday, so please don't try to spin this as if i'm leaving people out to dry and not participating
if game continues after today one of us will have to read katze or winston and i don't need to 'help them' solve the game. they can ask questions and engage you or solve today however they want, but imo, the game is solved, its in the previous 33 pages. the only thing coming out of you and cuth today is self preservation and not at all alignment indicative, which is why ive been spending the day reading rather than engaging either of you two
i dont play lylo like you do and i dont need to appeal to the other two players who both have mafia equity about who to vote between two players where at least 1 is confirmed mafia. information is power in this scenario and i hold all the cards because i'm a villager and i don't need to do anything other than cast a good vote today and i can be stubborn as all hell and demand i vote last which is what im going to do
if katze is a villager they'll understand. they might not like it but they'll understand. i have no idea what winston will do but he was also gone all day yesterday, so please don't try to spin this as if i'm leaving people out to dry and not participating
if game continues after today one of us will have to read katze or winston and i don't need to 'help them' solve the game. they can ask questions and engage you or solve today however they want, but imo, the game is solved, its in the previous 33 pages. the only thing coming out of you and cuth today is self preservation and not at all alignment indicative, which is why ive been spending the day reading rather than engaging either of you two
Yeah sure. Like I said I don't know you and I am working off imperfect information.
If this is your villager play so be it. However if you believe the only thing coming from both of us today is self preservation when I am the one that out myself in this position I believe someone here once told me I was a bad villager but now I don't mind as much. I don't think that person had good criteria to be able to judge me.
There is no spin. Winston doesn't have to be here to talk to winston. Play how you want though. It's your game too. I can only comment on how your play effects my perception of your alignment.
Anyway I was in the middle of this..
Anyway since I was a giant dick day 2 I feel like being vulnerable about my mafia play style.
So back on gamefaqs when I was a teenager, centuries ago, wolves didn't really play fair. They would use every dirty trick in the book to get you to unvote them. ate, anger, toxicity every day, and just anything to win. That's the environment I was raised in as a mafia newbie. That's where I learned to play and those habits were mine for a little bit. Luckily it didn't take too long for me to realize that's not how I wanted to play anymore but other people weren't willing to change so my town game had to adapt.
I am actually always willing to change my reads. Hell sometimes I might even try to sheep a town read (like I did with conceding visor for benneh because I liked cuth's case day 2) but I learned I have to be firm. I have won every non mash town game this year but it's not because I am always right. No one could live up to that standard. If you frequent spec chat you hear me say the worst part about my fame are my reads. It's true. I am a better wolf than villager because I will make mistakes. Sometimes choosing the micro (sk's response to me) over the macro (sk's wall and the game state ignoring it should have stuck to me better)
So why do I come across as super confident? I guess because I want to challenge people so I can try to understand them. I am really bad at reading people who don't post a lot or float around so I usually like to world build with assumptions and then go from there. 'Does my world still make sense' after day one mostly yea. With ladd dead cape dead and ender dead after thinking back over the day my middle of the day 1 was validated so I was back to mostly my original poe. My town reads so far had been all correct. So I pursued sk. Then things happened.
I will adjust my language in the future based off feedback, but tbh I am always fearful of being wrong I just have learned that fear doesn't help me solve games so I set it aside and press on.
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 15:19
just to be clear, beyond skimming for anything truly revelatory, i'm not reading achro's posts at all at this point and haven't been for a while
and, for that matter, i don't need anyone else petitioning me for one side or the other
the only helper i'm prepared to take on at this point is cute and furry and named daisy (because my son wouldn't let me change her name to barbara like i wanted)
I am mostly posting to relieve my anxiety although I think if you ever want to read them after you will find them interesting.
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 15:35
one of my biggest problems right now is that a significant portion of my brain wants to get this wrong, so that i don't have to go through it all again tomorrow
the early part of the day is all good, but the closer it gets to where i have to decide the more it starts to consume my entire being
one of my biggest problems right now is that a significant portion of my brain wants to get this wrong, so that i don't have to go through it all again tomorrow
the early part of the day is all good, but the closer it gets to where i have to decide the more it starts to consume my entire being
It's just a game. If you get it wrong I am not going to be upset. Fun is rule # 1. Do what you've got to do. I enjoyed playing with you.
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 15:48
It's just a game. If you get it wrong I am not going to be upset. Fun is rule # 1. Do what you've got to do. I enjoyed playing with you.
oh i know
funny thing is, i don't sweat the big decisions in life at all - easy come, easy go
it's just that this god-forsaken game gets in my head so bad (hence why i'm on a strict two-games-per-year diet these days)
ridiculously, i even had a moment where i considered blowing off the jam i'm going for tonight - with a very good friend who is an amazing musician and who is only over from australia for a couple of weeks - just so i could be here at eod
~:smoking:
oh i know
funny thing is, i don't sweat the big decisions in life at all - easy come, easy go
it's just that this god-forsaken game gets in my head so bad (hence why i'm on a strict two-games-per-year diet these days)
ridiculously, i even had a moment where i considered blowing off the jam i'm going for tonight - with a very good friend who is an amazing musician and who is only over from australia for a couple of weeks - just so i could be here at eod
~:smoking:
Lmao I feel you! I was shaking at the end of poke mash this year when I was already dead watching people nervously. Mafia is my main hobby for a variety of reasons so I get it.
I know you don't really feel like reading my random stuff but do you have any outstanding questions for me? Just making sure. Katze had some misunderstandings about my intent thia game that got cleared up.
(But if you want to be wrong just vote me and your suffering will end)
i dont play lylo like you do and i dont need to appeal to the other two players who both have mafia equity about who to vote between two players where at least 1 is confirmed mafia. information is power in this scenario and i hold all the cards because i'm a villager and i don't need to do anything other than cast a good vote today and i can be stubborn as all hell and demand i vote last which is what im going to do
if katze is a villager they'll understand. they might not like it but they'll understand. i have no idea what winston will do but he was also gone all day yesterday, so please don't try to spin this as if i'm leaving people out to dry and not participating
if game continues after today one of us will have to read katze or winston and i don't need to 'help them' solve the game. they can ask questions and engage you or solve today however they want, but imo, the game is solved, its in the previous 33 pages. the only thing coming out of you and cuth today is self preservation and not at all alignment indicative, which is why ive been spending the day reading rather than engaging either of you two
id understand if i were mafia too but i'm sure you understand its kinda unideal for me when i think you're mafia and think you're very readable if you were to just post
but yeah its basically the same mentality i was going into this day with and then i talked myself out of it
i dont think you're going to get your hammer vote though although winston is voting before you probably because he has a life and we're nerds so i guess thats more INFO for you if you're town
just to be clear, beyond skimming for anything truly revelatory, i'm not reading achro's posts at all at this point and haven't been for a while
and, for that matter, i don't need anyone else petitioning me for one side or the other
the only helper i'm prepared to take on at this point is cute and furry and named daisy (because my son wouldn't let me change her name to barbara like i wanted)
send pictures of her if shes a cat
otherwise idk turn her into a cat and send pictures anyway
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 16:40
id understand if i were mafia too but i'm sure you understand its kinda unideal for me when i think you're mafia and think you're very readable if you were to just post
but yeah its basically the same mentality i was going into this day with and then i talked myself out of it
i dont think you're going to get your hammer vote though although winston is voting before you probably because he has a life and we're nerds so i guess thats more INFO for you if you're town
i hope to god you're a wolf
i hope to god you're a wolf
If they are just say hi in wolf chat lol
one of my biggest problems right now is that a significant portion of my brain wants to get this wrong, so that i don't have to go through it all again tomorrow
the early part of the day is all good, but the closer it gets to where i have to decide the more it starts to consume my entire being
relatable
but also no pressure, if you get it wrong i'll probably also thank you for freeing me sooner glgl
i hope to god you're a wolf
why
or at least why is that your thought to that post
Trying for flashes of purity to show towniness in lylo smh
What a VILLAIN.
(Compliment)
Although while I don't mind everyone ignoring my posts today, cause I get it, if you choose right I really think my thoughts on the three of you will at least be helpful in f3 in understanding how I link cuth/benneh and the possible pitfalls of that logic in places. Confidence is about 90% but I would real time with whoever is alive for sure before voting if at all possible.
i plan to vote cuth, ignore all of your posts today, and then vote winston in f3 out of spite
what are u gonna do, stop me?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 16:50
If they are just say hi in wolf chat lol
lol
i plan to vote cuth, ignore all of your posts today, and then vote winston in f3 out of spite
what are u gonna do, stop me?
Look I told cuth not to performatively town tell so I have to be fair. Don't try to town claim by saying you will do something bad alright. Wolf katze can fake this level of bad.
(:curtain:)
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 16:51
why
or at least why is that your thought to that post
idk
it's probably the only way we don't lose here
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 16:52
Look I told cuth not to performatively town tell so I have to be fair. Don't try to town claim by saying you will do something bad alright. Wolf katze can fake this level of bad.
(:curtain:)
mafia is inherently performative
as either alignment
i'm just town telling my guy
mafia is inherently performative
as either alignment
i'm just town telling my guy
Of course. I do love a good performance. I am moreso joking around with you than anything. Of course I know the dance you must perform. I am in good spirits.
Look I told cuth not to performatively town tell so I have to be fair. Don't try to town claim by saying you will do something bad alright. Wolf katze can fake this level of bad.
(:curtain:)
/s
(3)
The last time I was in a cross situation in lylo as town I was hammered before I could even post. That was 7 years ago. So I consider today an absolute success tbh
idk
it's probably the only way we don't lose here
are you that sure i'm voting you here?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:03
are you that sure i'm voting you here?
that's the impression i've gotten
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:05
The last time I was in a cross situation in lylo as town I was hammered before I could even post. That was 7 years ago. So I consider today an absolute success tbh
instead it seems like it's been benneh and winston getting hammered so far this game
that's the impression i've gotten
i assure you if i were that sure i'd have just voted by now lol
im no stranger to... lying about my true intentions, but i also know when im not going to change my mind and to rip the bandaid off then and there
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:08
id understand if i were mafia too but i'm sure you understand its kinda unideal for me when i think you're mafia and think you're very readable if you were to just post
but yeah its basically the same mentality i was going into this day with and then i talked myself out of it
i dont think you're going to get your hammer vote though although winston is voting before you probably because he has a life and we're nerds so i guess thats more INFO for you if you're town
i ... am posting. i didnt hang out last night cause of various reasons but im happy to answer questions about my play but not really interested in engaging on the happenings of today. honestly it shouldnt be some grand mystery about how i'm leaning anyway
if you're v i'm sorry im making it hard on you here but my priority is figuring out today's vote and seeing how you/winston play this out around 'uncertainty' in my vote lol
and ya, i may not get my hammer in some scenarios, but thats fine, cause it'll be valuable info for me anyway or the game will be over. if it comes to f3 and i look bad for it then thats a problem for tomorrows benneh (fuck that guy)
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:09
i assure you if i were that sure i'd have just voted by now lol
im no stranger to... lying about my true intentions, but i also know when im not going to change my mind and to rip the bandaid off then and there
fair enough
is it ok with you if i still hope you're a wolf deep down inside because it soothes my nerves?
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:10
instead it seems like it's been benneh and winston getting hammered so far this game
i wish
winston seems to have much more potent potables than i do
Tbh it's interestin katze how today and sk's defense day 1 mirror themselves. Sk said my problems with his thought process was a difference in mindset. Today benneh, you, and Winston's mindset chafes at me similarly but I know for a fact only one of you is a wolf so I can disregard this as a meaningful difference check.
That's why I said I couldn't argue. There really is no way of knowing if certain mindsets are indicative or just a difference in play. Mafia is fantastic
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:12
Tbh it's interestin katze how today and sk's defense day 1 mirror themselves. Sk said my problems with his thought process was a difference in mindset. Today benneh, you, and Winston's mindset chafes at me similarly but I know for a fact only one of you is a wolf so I can disregard this as a meaningful difference check.
That's why I said I couldn't argue. There really is no way of knowing if certain mindsets are indicative or just a difference in play. Mafia is fantastic
oh they're indicative all right
fair enough
is it ok with you if i still hope you're a wolf deep down inside because it soothes my nerves?
i don't mind, it wouldn't be the first time i've encouraged misinformation online
and benneh yeah i get it. what i want to know is exactly the stuff you're intentionally hiding tho, so
i'll sit and wait until the cards are all on the table. and if that never happens then ill bite you
oh they're indicative all right
How so? From your perspective two of them are town as well. What is indicative about their eods iyo?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:14
How so? From your perspective two of them are town as well. What is indicative about their eods iyo?
idk i'm just saying words
realistically everything is indicative you just have to have enough information to be able to decipher it
nothing is always indicative in every case
but everything is always indicative in every case
y'know?
My super bad read is wolf katze doesn't vote mecto bring me to 3 in a chill game and then doesn't say the reasons.
This read would have kept visor as v for me.
I am thankful I have more than this but gth I probably always believe this
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:15
i don't mind, it wouldn't be the first time i've encouraged misinformation online
and benneh yeah i get it. what i want to know is exactly the stuff you're intentionally hiding tho, so
i'll sit and wait until the cards are all on the table. and if that never happens then ill bite you
sure ill out it, its close enough to eod
im a cop
sure ill out it, its close enough to eod
im a cop
i believe u, what are ur peeks?
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:16
can confirm, am backup cop
idk i'm just saying words
realistically everything is indicative you just have to have enough information to be able to decipher it
nothing is always indicative in every case
but everything is always indicative in every case
y'know?
Hmm. I disagree philosophically. For example I am often accused of pocketing people when I am town because of how I town read people. True of you know everything then you know the roles but then you just confirmation bias yourself. I would say great players have about a 10% difference in their town and wolf games. The rest is filler.
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:17
can confirm, am backup cop
big if true
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:18
i breadcrumbed it when i said 'im a cop' day 1
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:18
Hmm. I disagree philosophically. For example I am often accused of pocketing people when I am town because of how I town read people. True of you know everything then you know the roles but then you just confirmation bias yourself. I would say great players have about a 10% difference in their town and wolf games. The rest is filler.
my point is that there are no single actions people can make that are inherently always town or wolf indicative
but yet that every action an individual makes is town or wolf indicative
like not to the extent that you can figure it out for the huge majority of posts, but like
idk how to explain what i'm trying to say
I shouldn't have bothered dropping fake hints day 1 I was a pr waste of time smh
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:19
vig if true
rigged if true
rigged if true
im town (vigged if true)
my point is that there are no single actions people can make that are inherently always town or wolf indicative
but yet that every action an individual makes is town or wolf indicative
like not to the extent that you can figure it out for the huge majority of posts, but like
idk how to explain what i'm trying to say
I think I do understand. It's about motivation. Every movement is clouded by their role pm no matter how subtle if I am understanding. I still disagree for me personally because I detach myself from my role ans immerse myself a lot in creatively writing town achro as best as I can. But perhaps that is a very strange and unique way of wolfing, so in the end you might be right.
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:21
im town (vigged if true)
im bald (wigged if true)
I want katze to be v so either I am undefeated in games with them or they haven't won in games with me. We take either of those dubs
I want katze to be v so either I am undefeated in games with them or they haven't won in games with me. We take either of those dubs
flexing wolf above
flexing wolf above
Pfft. As if that is my style. I stay in character until the final curtain. I was so anxious in f5 in umineko I didn't even attempt a last second scum hammer if you recall.
I know you are joking but that is really out of my wolf range tbh
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:30
Pfft. As if that is my style. I stay in character until the final curtain. I was so anxious in f5 in umineko I didn't even attempt a last second scum hammer if you recall.
I know you are joking but that is really out of my wolf range tbh
lol
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 17:32
26590
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 17:33
26591
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 17:33
26592
Winston Hughes
08-10-2023, 17:33
vote: cuth
if thats how the game ends i am negative percent mad
(ack'd obv)
Oh thank God.
did i get pranked by you again
They used to call me the luck god in my pokemon days
we take these.
did i get pranked by you again
No I am the town lol
spicy
benneh get ur ass in here
spicy
benneh get ur ass in here
Also I hammered the next post in f3 I don't do bs.
When did I prank you the first time?
Also I hammered the next post in f3 I don't do bs.
When did I prank you the first time?
oh i know you dont slowroll your initial reply was ambiguous enough and i wouldn't really like... judge someone for going "THANK FUCK" before hammering lol
i just used prank in place of "getting owned by" because. it felt right
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:44
ok
that's cool
oh i know you dont slowroll your initial reply was ambiguous enough and i wouldn't really like... judge someone for going "THANK FUCK" before hammering lol
i just used prank in place of "getting owned by" because. it felt right
Oic
Well in the future since votes are locked I would just say gg or something.
But also you thought it possible me and benneh were the wolves together?
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:45
my internet literally went down with that vote
ack'd and stuff
Benneh haven't we pranked them long enough you said to let it go for a bit but I don't usually do this.
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:46
no, we can go for a few more hours
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:46
huh ok cool
that makes me feel better
no, we can go for a few more hours
Okay got it boss. Good distancing glad cuth has THE FEAR of chopping you.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:47
so i still think it's benneh and katze
they're just obviously paired
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 17:50
i have at least 2 outages a month that last >4 hours each and these assholes have the nerve to charge me monthly data overages
they truly are the worst
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:51
honestly feel pretty dece about this
i was never going to find achro before f3 but i don't really care about that
but i think i did okay overall
would feel worse if benneh was actually a wolf lmao and achro was trying to roast me all day for not voting his partner with him
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 17:51
i have at least 2 outages a month that last >4 hours each and these assholes have the nerve to charge me monthly data overages
they truly are the worst
roger, they're the worst
over and out
Oic
Well in the future since votes are locked I would just say gg or something.
But also you thought it possible me and benneh were the wolves together?
not really likely but the confirmation is certainly comforting
so i still think it's benneh and katze
they're just obviously paired
wolfnod.gif
cuth and benneh what say you two
more intersted in benneh but achro is right that him/winston was my most likely achro-centric team so that world being confirmed to v!cuth maybe he and i can do some epic masonry rq
but bennehs got his info and i think officially unpairing me/achro (which should have been obvious smh!) should be helpful for the villager(s) outside the cross
honestly feel pretty dece about this
i was never going to find achro before f3 but i don't really care about that
but i think i did okay overall
would feel worse if benneh was actually a wolf lmao and achro was trying to roast me all day for not voting his partner with him
:heracross:
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 18:16
cuth and benneh what say you two
more intersted in benneh but achro is right that him/winston was my most likely achro-centric team so that world being confirmed to v!cuth maybe he and i can do some epic masonry rq
but bennehs got his info and i think officially unpairing me/achro (which should have been obvious smh!) should be helpful for the villager(s) outside the cross
thinking thru it
i wasn't particularly worried about achro being w but im just regoing thru things now that i know it can only be achro/cuth and achro/winston in w!achro worlds and im not really considering the first world
cuth/winston was my guess coming into today and i'm trying to sort out cuth's reaction here more than anything
why not me? like in general
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 18:19
why not me? like in general
vibes idk (but really)
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 18:22
thats framed in a way that im more certain on your alignment than i am lol
there were def winston/kat cuth/kat worlds coming into today
the latter still a chance but i'm cooling on it
u used polarized 0 times in those two posts
outed
(fair enough i think i am super readable on vibes)
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 18:24
having said that if you think there are worlds where its still achro then lmk i guess cause my vote is on cuth in spirit
well
i think its certainly less likely him than cuth
why are you so sure its not achro? i probably know the answer but shrug, i feel like up until mbe yesterday you had cuth as a pretty consistent townread
well
i think its certainly less likely him than cuth
why are you so sure its not achro? i probably know the answer but shrug, i feel like up until mbe yesterday you had cuth as a pretty consistent townread
He actually had cuth as wolfy eod2 with a couple of others.
(I read the game so no one else has to)
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 18:33
well
i think its certainly less likely him than cuth
why are you so sure its not achro? i probably know the answer but shrug, i feel like up until mbe yesterday you had cuth as a pretty consistent townread
eod2 and his billion word case on an 0/3 list that hinged on a fake red check
and going from that to blowing up on ender
the way his reads have been very volatile is extremely unlike how he wolfd on the org a while ago and the game state here up until sk's death yesterday was very similar to that one
some things have pinged me today with how he's framed stuff but i boil that down to achro just playing a style i find extremely annoying for an org (semi)invitational
cuth's slid down my poe for a while. that post he made about me.. i think mid-d2? was pretty nasty and super disingenuous and i've been pairing him with SK roughly since then
ah yeah i forgot you viscerally hated that me/you post
hrm
Sorry about my style tbh I was asked to replace last second and just got excited to play with katze
I didn't mean any harm when I said I wouldn't play here again. It just has at times felt like a bad fit is all.
It makes sense as wolf why it was fine though because as wolf I just blend into my environment. Wolfing is easy tbh
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 18:59
cuth and benneh what say you two
idk what would be helpful to say at this point
i'm tired
i've already talked about why i'm a villager here in a fair amount of detail
i can go look at achro/winston/sk stuff and discuss in length why they're w/w together but it doesn't feel like it would make much of a difference
if there's stuff i can say or do to help you find me and vote correctly, either of you, let me know and i'll do it
i would even consider writing a short novel
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:03
cos right now it feels like there's not much that can change and both of you think it's probably me
and i'm not in the headspace to go all out if it's just gonna end up the exact same way no matter what
Also katze or benneh if you plan to end the day voting cuth before eod I would like a chance to make a post giving last second thoughts about f3 in the event I do indeed die.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:03
Also katze or benneh if you plan to end the day voting cuth before eod I would like a chance to make a post giving last second thoughts about f3 in the event I do indeed die.
i misread this and thought you'd actually slipped lol
sad
i misread this and thought you'd actually slipped lol
sad
You did not. But I admire your play nonetheless.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:07
You did not. But I admire your play nonetheless.
ok you can stop saying that every time you respond to anything i post
it would already feel really condescending if i was a wolf, and since i'm not it's even more grating
Actually I will just say it now
I think it is benneh as partner and like there's a lot pointing to that in interactions with the other two wolves but I don't know benneh or winston at all and winston has done imo some questionable things like shielding sk at eod1 but the partner interactions are just meager in my view. Same for katze except I don't think katze has done much bad in hindsight so they just have a good partner unpairings to me and lots of decisions I really dont think wolf katze makes this game.
But I don't expect to be sheeped. Go with God as they say and hey I am glad I got the chance to play a bit better. If you can make sense of cuth's eod with v!benneh and you are correct I will bow down cause I just don't get it lol
ok you can stop saying that every time you respond to anything i post
it would already feel really condescending if i was a wolf, and since i'm not it's even more grating
Well if you would stop trying to earn last second town points I would stop pointing out what you are doing. Don't hate the player hate the game.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:09
Well if you would stop trying to earn last second town points I would stop pointing out what you are doing. Don't hate the player hate the game.
lol
I am truly a fish out of water here lol
Sorry I am grating. I don't mean to be I am just trying to do my best.
yo benneh if you're planning on casting a vote can you ping me before you do?
i should be vaguely around till eod but if i dont reply after 15 min then go with god
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:13
Actually I will just say it now
I think it is benneh as partner and like there's a lot pointing to that in interactions with the other two wolves but I don't know benneh or winston at all and winston has done imo some questionable things like shielding sk at eod1 but the partner interactions are just meager in my view. Same for katze except I don't think katze has done much bad in hindsight so they just have a good partner unpairings to me and lots of decisions I really dont think wolf katze makes this game.
But I don't expect to be sheeped. Go with God as they say and hey I am glad I got the chance to play a bit better. If you can make sense of cuth's eod with v!benneh and you are correct I will bow down cause I just don't get it lol
dont worry, ill carry us
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:14
yo benneh if you're planning on casting a vote can you ping me before you do?
i should be vaguely around till eod but if i dont reply after 15 min then go with god
give me hammer bitch
im polarized etc
give me hammer bitch
im polarized etc
no
i mean ill just flat out say that if you wanted to vote cuth id ask you to vote achro instead so i can give MORE INFO
but obv if u said no id. understand. lol
i wouldnt do it for you
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:16
no
i mean ill just flat out say that if you wanted to vote cuth id ask you to vote achro instead so i can give MORE INFO
but obv if u said no id. understand. lol
i wouldnt do it for you
i figured but i can still call you a bitch for it
bitch
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:16
no
i mean ill just flat out say that if you wanted to vote cuth id ask you to vote achro instead so i can give MORE INFO
but obv if u said no id. understand. lol
i wouldnt do it for you
oh my god are you actually trying to do the shit orange did in that team mafia
dont worry, ill carry us
Yeah man if you are town hell yeah brother. I don't know you from anyone so maybe I should have gotten it but I for damn sure am not issuing 'grr listen' on 2 people I don't know and katze if that's the f3 lol
i figured but i can still call you a bitch for it
bitch
true
oh my god are you actually trying to do the shit orange did in that team mafia
lmao
i am a lamisty mfer
orange is a massive omega nerd trying to optimize a f4 or something
we are not quite the same but tbh id probably do that too so.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:18
i can't believe neither of you are wolves lol
both of you want to kill me and if you do the game's just over
stop acting like this is a beauty pageant and get over yourselves
or ask me shit if there's anything i can do to clarify stuff or whatever
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:19
true
lmao
i am a lamisty mfer
orange is a massive omega nerd trying to optimize a f4 or something
we are not quite the same but tbh id probably do that too so.
the only good thing from my experience of that game was having regfan to vent back and forth with about how exhausting and unnecessary that shit was
i will go back to READING the game though instead of kinda vibing
i just ate a bit
no distractions
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:21
i will go back to READING the game though instead of kinda vibing
i just ate a bit
no distractions
you're a villager you don't need to ate here
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:23
i still don't think you're the bodyguard for the record
For the record I only stopped the thing because I like you and I get the sense real timing isn't as much a thing on the org given this f5
So you may do as you please without my shadow looming over you cuth. You were kind when you didn't have to be so have fun
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:25
well, my internet keeps going up and down so i might just vote now tbh katze
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:26
For the record I only stopped the thing because I like you and I get the sense real timing isn't as much a thing on the org given this f5
So you may do as you please without my shadow looming over you cuth. You were kind when you didn't have to be so have fun
thank you, seriously
lol @ cuth, u might be right!
well, my internet keeps going up and down so i might just vote now tbh katze
nod nod
well u know the thing, if ur too scared to do it i understand
if you hammer and its wrong then ill get to bully you tho
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:27
well, my internet keeps going up and down so i might just vote now tbh katze
my autonomic nervous system thanks you
Culture clashes suck. I get it. Gamefaqs was a feisty place born from turbos so constant real timing was a thing a lot.
I will take this game as a note to try to learn new skills in post management.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:29
i'm cool with real timing i've played a lot on mu
the nonstop faux condescension is less my cup of tea
kinda sucks that winston wont be here till eod
i still uh, kinda dont know what the "softclaim" was about. like if it wasnt a softclaim what were those posts
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:29
kinda sucks that winston wont be here till eod
i still uh, kinda dont know what the "softclaim" was about. like if it wasnt a softclaim what were those posts
he was softclaiming wolf
i'm cool with real timing i've played a lot on mu
the nonstop faux condescension is less my cup of tea
Oh. That's just me being autistic unfortunately and not getting it. In my mind I am just counterpointing your post with what you are doing to make it clear for others.
This is why I said I like when people tell me things bother them. So I then stop. I just don't get certain nuances especially with new people. That wasn't my intent but I get how it sounds like that. I was kind of trying to just bluntly state my observation.
I think this may be why a lot of people who don't know me too well think certain things about me. Will work on this too.
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:32
i am considering what some may call
a gamer move
i am considering what some may call
a gamer move
oh god hes gonna CC me
Like when I said I admire your play I was being 100% serious and sincere. Did that come off mocking?
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:34
oh god hes gonna CC me
i considred giving you the hammer
but thanks to this i rememebred youre still claiming bg so in the world thats actually a thing that's actually bad since you just die overnight if youre clear
and in the world you're not you're a wolf so we lose lol
so nvm
i considred giving you the hammer
but thanks to this i rememebred youre still claiming bg so in the world thats actually a thing that's actually bad since you just die overnight if youre clear
and in the world you're not you're a wolf so we lose lol
so nvm
LMAO
ok i rescind the claim gimme hammer
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:35
LMAO
ok i rescind the claim gimme hammer
lmao
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:36
Oh. That's just me being autistic unfortunately and not getting it. In my mind I am just counterpointing your post with what you are doing to make it clear for others.
This is why I said I like when people tell me things bother them. So I then stop. I just don't get certain nuances especially with new people. That wasn't my intent but I get how it sounds like that. I was kind of trying to just bluntly state my observation.
I think this may be why a lot of people who don't know me too well think certain things about me. Will work on this too.
it's not the pointing out why what i'm saying is apparently wolfy you should do that here that makes sense
the repeated "wow you're playing so well haha big respect amazing try to towntell" every time i say anything just makes me not want to post
not because i don't think there's stuff to input that would help people find me, but because i'm upset with you for pulling that shit as a wolf and i don't want to put more negative vibes into the thread than i already have been
idk
it is what it is
you played well
Oh I see. Okay I won't respond but now I understand. Sorry!
LMAO
ok i rescind the claim gimme hammer
Lmao.
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:38
lmao
god i wish that i was a wolf because that would be so fucking based
nah do whatever benneh. im still reading back, if you're never changing your mind then shoot your shot
nebjiamn
08-10-2023, 19:40
alright legit tho
achro, ill let you decide
do you want me to give katze hammer here and let them decide (or win if w)
or do you want me to maj cuth straight away
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:41
lmfao
Cuthillius
08-10-2023, 19:41
coward
i feel so bad for cuth if hes town ngl
also kind of if hes mafia but id imagine he would be relatively resigned to the fate in that world
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