13er summer game thread

[nebjiamn]

gm

thinking i am mafia for being self conscious is reasonable but i assure you it is just a thing i am. its kinda amusing that the people who've seen me play the most are the people who townread me tho (i think, cant rly tell if insom is there yet but it felt like he was)

regarding taffy, ive been kinda sitting on my read on them all game because i've not really agreed that their push on achro was CLEARING (altho if hes a wolf it might be lol) but it seemed like everybody was comfortable clearing them for it and they seemed to be the player itg who had the highest odds of getting yeeted d1 prerand and i didnt rly want that to happen unless they were actually mega wolfy (hence why i answered taffy to the achro "veto a yeet today" thing)

earlier i thought there was good odds achro was a wolf which in my mind would probs clear them and/or taffy was just kinda threadspewed town + i do believe their posting is ~villagery to some extent

hmm

this may be useful later

p#40 start

p#52 ladd TR
p#65/p#84 achro TR
p#68 insom TR

p#157 benneh doubts
p#159 cape doubt
p#162 visor agrees w doubt

eh. i guess "threadspewed town" probably never applied to them. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057) i noticed you never rly commented on taffy during that period of posts, whys that?
i don't really trust my read on you fwiw

paincat is a thing

[nebjiamn]

im finding it hard to get into this game for some reason. weird because I love the player list

my secret wolf read is benneh
https://media.tenor.com/FyQYd6RqqHYAAAAC/boo.gif

(this is gona look bad now cause i was going to say i thought you've been wolfy :/)

[ladd]

my secret wolf read is benneh

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZoXlLG40E71zW/giphy.gif

[Winston Hughes]

you're free to go for now

It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

[dyachei]

https://media.tenor.com/FyQYd6RqqHYAAAAC/boo.gif

(this is gona look bad now cause i was going to say i thought you've been wolfy :/)

yeah, but like...you've done nothing villagery. so I know it's a chill game but like even in chill games you do more than this

idrc if you think i'm wolfy. I think i've been villagery but the sample size is low so it's whatever

[EnderWiggin]

alrighty thx


why do you think katze is a wolf?


Vibez


i dont think I'm wrong in saying we don't tend to read each other well, particularly in early game. I also don't think I'm wrong to say we clash rather often.

I think you took the opportunity to sheep someone who you think reads me better and vote me

Okay this is kinda in line with what I expected and didn't understand your other message equaling lmao.

I didn't, I am trying something else out to hopefully improve my ratio of reading you, but I'll agree I tend to not have the best rate of successfully doing so.

[katze]

im finding it hard to get into this game for some reason. weird because I love the player list

my secret wolf read is benneh

can u articulate that read some?

id be interested to hear it cause ive kinda shelved him as obvious town a while ago but i could be selling him short (i probably am even if im right, this guy won a wolf award once upon a time!)


i don't really trust my read on you fwiw

paincat is a thing

fair enuf, point was that it sounded like you agreed i was probably town [for now] and id consider you someone with more exp with me than most this list

i know the FEAR will probs always kinda exist on d1


It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

nod nod

funnily enough im not really trying to shift any narratives this game im just kinda pressing buttons and seeing where i feel comfortable, i just talk a lot

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

[dyachei]

can u articulate that read some?

id be interested to hear it cause ive kinda shelved him as obvious town a while ago but i could be selling him short (i probably am even if im right, this guy won a wolf award once upon a time!)



fair enuf, point was that it sounded like you agreed i was probably town [for now] and id consider you someone with more exp with me than most this list

i know the FEAR will probs always kinda exist on d1



nod nod

funnily enough im not really trying to shift any narratives this game im just kinda pressing buttons and seeing where i feel comfortable, i just talk a lot

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

he's just kind of falling flat rn. Town benneh usually does more solving and I havent seen that here. That said, wolf benneh tries to lead more and he's not doing that either. So I'm not super confident but he's not doing enough for me to v read him and if i don't v read him, he's more likely to be a wolf

[nebjiamn]

yeah, but like...you've done nothing villagery. so I know it's a chill game but like even in chill games you do more than this

idrc if you think i'm wolfy. I think i've been villagery but the sample size is low so it's whatever
i mean, same, other than i hope that if we're v/v we can get there on eachother eventually. or we die early and laugh about it in dvc

i don't really know if i've been villagery or not but i'm a villager so /shrug.

i've decided to take a more laid back approach and not try to lead or drive the thread in a particular direction. this has kinda manifested with me mostly observing and waitng for people to check in. e.g. i didn't wanna do much with my taffy read until last night cause i wanted to give them time, a lot of yesterday was me waiting on winston/sk/someone else to check in, and the katze/cape/achro discussions were all kinda w/e to me at the time

if you think there's something else up w/ my posting i could address it if u want

[dyachei]

i mean, same, other than i hope that if we're v/v we can get there on eachother eventually. or we die early and laugh about it in dvc

i don't really know if i've been villagery or not but i'm a villager so /shrug.

i've decided to take a more laid back approach and not try to lead or drive the thread in a particular direction. this has kinda manifested with me mostly observing and waitng for people to check in. e.g. i didn't wanna do much with my taffy read until last night cause i wanted to give them time, a lot of yesterday was me waiting on winston/sk/someone else to check in, and the katze/cape/achro discussions were all kinda w/e to me at the time

if you think there's something else up w/ my posting i could address it if u want

idk that i want to vote you today, I just can't clear you and very few people were talking about you

[katze]

dya+benneh can u both drop a list of like 5ish names you'd be willing to vote today? smaller is fine if u cant think of 5

my impression on how benneh wolfs/villages is a bit different than yours dya but i expect that to be a difference in beliefs more than a difference in alignment between us, but for example i thought the way he brought up taffy to be fairly villagery for him regardless of taffys alignment; i strongly doubt it's w/w and if taffy is a villager i feel like benneh wouldn't be the wolf to try to push them back into contention when he did. plus i just think he has villagery tone lol its probably not that simple with him but so far it hasnt rly failed me

as it stands i guess i can see where you're coming from that he's not doing a ton but i could say that about most the players here and its in my mind partially just because im not used to games this slow. maybe. that explanation makes sense to me at least

[nebjiamn]

wolf rangevilla range


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/customavatars/avatar102428_1.gif
shitpost range

[dyachei]

dya+benneh can u both drop a list of like 5ish names you'd be willing to vote today? smaller is fine if u cant think of 5

my impression on how benneh wolfs/villages is a bit different than yours dya but i expect that to be a difference in beliefs more than a difference in alignment between us, but for example i thought the way he brought up taffy to be fairly villagery for him regardless of taffys alignment; i strongly doubt it's w/w and if taffy is a villager i feel like benneh wouldn't be the wolf to try to push them back into contention when he did. plus i just think he has villagery tone lol its probably not that simple with him but so far it hasnt rly failed me

as it stands i guess i can see where you're coming from that he's not doing a ton but i could say that about most the players here and its in my mind partially just because im not used to games this slow. maybe. that explanation makes sense to me at least

cape
benneh
cuth
sk

not in any order

[ladd]

dya+benneh can u both drop a list of like 5ish names you'd be willing to vote today? smaller is fine if u cant think of 5

my impression on how benneh wolfs/villages is a bit different than yours dya but i expect that to be a difference in beliefs more than a difference in alignment between us, but for example i thought the way he brought up taffy to be fairly villagery for him regardless of taffys alignment; i strongly doubt it's w/w and if taffy is a villager i feel like benneh wouldn't be the wolf to try to push them back into contention when he did. plus i just think he has villagery tone lol its probably not that simple with him but so far it hasnt rly failed me

as it stands i guess i can see where you're coming from that he's not doing a ton but i could say that about most the players here and its in my mind partially just because im not used to games this slow. maybe. that explanation makes sense to me at least

vote benneh for purest toan in ww history

fwiw he has been the most original thinker ITT so i am inclined to agree he is villa tho your read on him seems unecessarely convulted


otoh i think dya push on benneh is prob >rand v for them

[Achro]

im soulreading that achro, if town, thinks that i am a wolf but is trying to pretend hes unsure so i bus at EoD and then he buries me tomorrow

im posting this to fuck with your head

glgl

"...but nothing happened."

:stare:

[katze]

cape
benneh
cuth
sk

not in any order

why cuth?

ive been fighting myself on him a bit so maybe you can put my own thoughts into words here


tho your read on him seems unecessarely convulted

yea thats my specialty

to be honest my own personal read is like 80% "he just sounds like v!benneh lol" but i know that's probably not convincing to someone who knows benneh better than i do and. does not think he sounds like v!benneh

[ladd]

cuth seems fine in general to me but this thought in particular:




i wanted to snapvote ladd for his first (?) post last night but i don't want to do that any more



they don't really phrase like that as a wolf imo. they'd just vote me



re skimming visor ISO i mayyy have been a bit too generous there. he is fine but objectively there isnt really that much villagery

ender has a GAP between the confidence in his reads vs his reasoning for it that is pinging me a bit


the good news is that I feel cape has good odds of just being a wolf atp, the bad news is that it's prob gonna be a bit hard to find the other 2 :curtain:

[nebjiamn]

dya+benneh can u both drop a list of like 5ish names you'd be willing to vote today? smaller is fine if u cant think of 5

my impression on how benneh wolfs/villages is a bit different than yours dya but i expect that to be a difference in beliefs more than a difference in alignment between us, but for example i thought the way he brought up taffy to be fairly villagery for him regardless of taffys alignment; i strongly doubt it's w/w and if taffy is a villager i feel like benneh wouldn't be the wolf to try to push them back into contention when he did. plus i just think he has villagery tone lol its probably not that simple with him but so far it hasnt rly failed me

as it stands i guess i can see where you're coming from that he's not doing a ton but i could say that about most the players here and its in my mind partially just because im not used to games this slow. maybe. that explanation makes sense to me at least

taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk

i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy

[dyachei]

why cuth?

ive been fighting myself on him a bit so maybe you can put my own thoughts into words here



yea thats my specialty

to be honest my own personal read is like 80% "he just sounds like v!benneh lol" but i know that's probably not convincing to someone who knows benneh better than i do and. does not think he sounds like v!benneh

i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth

[Achro]

taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk

i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy

This is a town post and dya is a town who is having trouble getting into the game.

Let's actually go back 3 years in time to the last time I pulled scum sk out of my hat day one in champs and commit some metallurgical murder.

[nebjiamn]

wolf rangevilla range


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/customavatars/avatar102428_1.gif
shitpost range





btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

org GOAT

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Katze

Not enough memes.

[EnderWiggin]

btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

org GOAT

I'm Commander Shepard and that was my favourite post on the Citadel.

[insomnia]

cuth seems fine in general to me but this thought in particular:



they don't really phrase like that as a wolf imo. they'd just vote me



re skimming visor ISO i mayyy have been a bit too generous there. he is fine but objectively there isnt really that much villagery

ender has a GAP between the confidence in his reads vs his reasoning for it that is pinging me a bit


the good news is that I feel cape has good odds of just being a wolf atp, the bad news is that it's prob gonna be a bit hard to find the other 2 :curtain:

this is where im at

[katze]

btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

org GOAT

oh the formatting didnt work for me but i quoted it and see what u were trying to do and lol'd a bit


Vote: Katze

Not enough memes.

i thought i had a couple banger posts earlier but it is true that my meme game is probably fairly weak this game compared to most games. i think its like 80% the fault of the postcap because whenever im "close" to a cap i always feel really self conscious about preserving posts and this cap is low enough i kinda always feel like im close to it

maybe when the cap lifts towards eod ill earn your shitposting approval

[dyachei]

this is where im at

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him

[katze]

ive not really had a strong read in any direction on cape but i kinda expect him to die today (and have expected it most of the day) and probably wouldn't stop it

we'll see how it feels closer to eod tho

[Achro]

On the one hand I did say if I thought cape was town I should reverse that and scum read him and after cap lifts maybe I will do that. On the other hand you nerds did kill illario day one in the game I was in so I am not sure how much you lot can be trusted.

(For legal purposes this is a joke)

Anyway if cape is a wolf he was bussed already, so whatever I got the information I need to do work overnight if that happens. Probsbly good for thread to see people's positions on him too as everyone had SOMETHING to say.

But also I think sk is howling atm so I will stick there.

Anyway that's my post cap thanks for joining me on this wacky debut episode of achro tries to understand how to deduce things without posting 300 times.

[insomnia]

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him

this feels like the opposite of "he was villa read by so many people for no reason that he's spewed town", but im not exactly sure that's how it works

[katze]

ok sick achro is gone time to talk shit and cfd

vote: achro

whenever cap lifts i don't rly understand why u think sk is HOWLING i know you made the connection on how me and him viewed taffy/you dynamics differently but

shrug

on the bright side i dont think i can wolfread achro for lack of confidence anymore :curtain:

[dyachei]

this feels like the opposite of "he was villa read by so many people for no reason that he's spewed town", but im not exactly sure that's how it works

i just mean that like...no one is even trying to defend him and that makes me nervous

[insomnia]

i just mean that like...no one is even trying to defend him and that makes me nervous

if he's a wolf, why would wolves be trying to defend him? his wagon was already stale and other interactions were going down that weren't pertaining to him

spew comes from the wolves

[ladd]

ive not really had a strong read in any direction on cape but i kinda expect him to die today (and have expected it most of the day) and probably wouldn't stop it

we'll see how it feels closer to eod tho

didnt you think he was a wolf and with achro or am i misremembering?


this you/acho thing is starting to get a bit concerning. i have both of you as villagery but you are both (somewhat) widely wolf read and think each other is a wolf so i feel like odds are not in my favour on it being v/v


not that i care for d1

[dyachei]

if he's a wolf, why would wolves be trying to defend him? his wagon was already stale and other interactions were going down that weren't pertaining to him

spew comes from the wolves

wolves don't always outright defend but they often will subtly defend and I'm not even seeing that

regardless of whether he's a wolf or a villager, he's being tossed aside here

[katze]

i can see the argument dya is going at "nobody is defending cape" -> "wolves are not defending cape" -> "wolves dont care if cape dies" -> "cape is town"

i dont know if i quite agree with it in this case because its honestly felt like a foregone conclusion all day (and achro kinda is defending cape is is LOCK MAFIA since he cant post (ok if it isnt obvious i dont rly wolfread him much anymore))

its kinda like c4 in my last game where he kinda just had one defender at all (ara) defending him for the sole reason that "he was probably going to get d1ed in this list regardless of alignment" altho i think that'd describe taffy this game more than cape like. sometimes that player can still just be a wolf and capes posting isnt great, ive definitely seen cape be pretty villagery and get mislunched but idt this game is rly one of them. there's a few names floating in my head i could see voting today but meh, it feels like the Right Vote to me rn

[dyachei]

i can see the argument dya is going at "nobody is defending cape" -> "wolves are not defending cape" -> "wolves dont care if cape dies" -> "cape is town"

i dont know if i quite agree with it in this case because its honestly felt like a foregone conclusion all day (and achro kinda is defending cape is is LOCK MAFIA since he cant post (ok if it isnt obvious i dont rly wolfread him much anymore))

its kinda like c4 in my last game where he kinda just had one defender at all (ara) defending him for the sole reason that "he was probably going to get d1ed in this list regardless of alignment" altho i think that'd describe taffy this game more than cape like. sometimes that player can still just be a wolf and capes posting isnt great, ive definitely seen cape be pretty villagery and get mislunched but idt this game is rly one of them. there's a few names floating in my head i could see voting today but meh, it feels like the Right Vote to me rn

i kind of see cape and taffy as very similar for d1 chances tbh

[Winston Hughes]

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

[katze]

didnt you think he was a wolf and with achro or am i misremembering?


this you/acho thing is starting to get a bit concerning. i have both of you as villagery but you are both (somewhat) widely wolf read and think each other is a wolf so i feel like odds are not in my favour on it being v/v


not that i care for d1

oh good timing

ive been kinda lightening up on him, i felt like he was lightening up on me earlier (yes i know i made a post that directly implied otherwise, this was mostly me messing with him but also a funny post regardless of accuracy imo)

if cape is a wolf ill probably give achro a big ol' squint for it and then probably solve him ignoring it anyways because i know there is some truth in "achro usually townleans a wolf d1" so like. idk ive definitely burnt myself on townreading people for shitty reasons because i want to be right on someone who is kinda controversial. but obv he can just be a wolf defending a bro

if cape flips like a wolf PR or something id probably feel worse about it but given that's setup speculation i don't want to get into it beyond that


wolves don't always outright defend but they often will subtly defend and I'm not even seeing that

regardless of whether he's a wolf or a villager, he's being tossed aside here

yea he definitely is kinda being tossed aside i agree w that

i think in this game that means less for his alignment than in other games though. if hes a wolf i dont think many people would find much to defend him off of his opening string of posts, which objectively werent GOOD and were easy to wolfread

his later string i tried to see if people would bite onto as being villagery but nobody really did, i didnt think they were great


i kind of see cape and taffy as very similar for d1 chances tbh

if you asked me pregame who had hte highest odds of getting d1ed just off the playerlist id prob have said taffy, but cape would be a runner up probs

there's a small bit of fear in the vote for me because of this but im mostly ignoring it because i don't care enough to get myself into a mental war with myself based off of something like that again

[Winston Hughes]

I started that response sober...

:wine:

[Winston Hughes]

katze = obvscum for distracting me from drunken shitposting by being interesting

[ladd]

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)


villas
ladd
benneh
cuth
dya


thinner villas
insomnia
winston


wanna say v/v, but there may be 1 here cause of game state
katze
achro

had as villagery at some point but back to null
sk
visor

PoE
taffy - mostly benneh sheep, blame him eheh
ender


hopefully just a wolf
cape90



feels SUPER lazy but its how i feel so nothing i can do about it. i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager lol


we'll see how EoD plays out


bbl

[nebjiamn]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.
sick post

i hope you're a wolf cause this is a masterpiece

[dyachei]

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)


villas
ladd
benneh
cuth
dya


thinner villas
insomnia
winston


wanna say v/v, but there may be 1 here cause of game state
katze
achro

had as villagery at some point but back to null
sk
visor

PoE
taffy - mostly benneh sheep, blame him eheh
ender


hopefully just a wolf
cape90



feels SUPER lazy but its how i feel so nothing i can do about it. i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager lol


we'll see how EoD plays out


bbl

talk to me about cuth?

[katze]

i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager loll

can u explain how u were feeling about dya before their suspicion on benneh?

i think i know the answer but i want u to type it anyway

[ladd]

talk to me about cuth?

i think their posts and thoughts are good. As I said idt they make the below post as a wolf - they'd just vote me given their wolf mojo imo:


i think i've forgotten how to play werewolf

i wanted to snapvote ladd for his first (?) post last night but i don't want to do that any more


and this was a pretty villagery explanation on cape:


my best case on cape is that they were shitposting with me and then they just didn't respond at all when i responded a little acerbically and a part of me ~strongly feels that that could be a nervous wolf thing to do lol because you're scared to answer weirdly and get my attention but it's rvs so you can get away with not engaging

but i don't love how people are treating the slot otherwise so i've been cooling on that recently

that lines up with how they played in their opening

[ladd]

can u explain how u were feeling about dya before their suspicion on benneh?

i think i know the answer but i want u to type it anyway

not great lol

i def had them leaning on the wolfy side more (not by much tho) but didnt really wanna get pushback if they were a villager so i waited and it seems like that was the correct move

[dyachei]

i think their posts and thoughts are good. As I said idt they make the below post as a wolf - they'd just vote me given their wolf mojo imo:



and this was a pretty villagery explanation on cape:



that lines up with how they played in their opening

ok

i think you're a villager here

and I really like your points on cuth

[ladd]

ok

i think you're a villager here

and I really like your points on cuth

sounds good to me :thumbsup:

[dyachei]

you know what's surprising? cape has like 20 posts and i honestly couldnt have told you that he had posted

[katze]

ok i accidentally closed the tab i was replying to winston to thinking i already replied so fuck me i guess but

tldr: yeah thats kind of how i type which i think ppl can attest to and i don't particularly mind your suspicion since im always generally confident in talking myself out of being executed i just ask a lot of questions to make people post more content that they can be read off of and i think your reply to me is a good start for you

i dont think you're interested in reading other games since thats for nerds but https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/38093-The-Story-About-a-Story-Invitational?p=6573876#post6573876 my last towngame if u want to see how i type there, its also my last (real) game so i guess i could say im a bit rusty



@ ladd i kinda thought u SR dya harder earlier but alrighty, i kiiiinda think they might be getting a bit too much of a pass for the benneh sus but its not something im interested in exploring today anyways because i agree they've generally tended up a decent bit



probs last post for a bit since im dangerously close to gap so anyone who posts in the next hour is legally obligated to explain their posts more than they intended to so i dont have to pop in and ask them to do it <3

[nebjiamn]

dya what are your thoughts on ender?

[nebjiamn]

like i know you said his vote on you doens't mean anything for his alignment but what about the rest of his (and i guess visor's since you said the same there) posts in general

[Raskolnikov]

Visor(1): Cape
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro

Not voting (1): Dyachei

Still posting from phone, sorry for the formatting.

[dyachei]

dya what are your thoughts on ender?

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk

[dyachei]

vote: cape

[Raskolnikov]

Benneh gets a cookie for powerfull use of smileys :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Visor(1): Cape
Cape(3): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro

Not voting (0):

[nebjiamn]

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk
hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh

[insomnia]

turns out EoD timing is convenient for me

cya then

[Totally not Taffy]

I looked at the thread yesterday before going to bed, saw that I was 100 posts behind and decided to leave it till today to read up. I am now made of regret, but at least I have some time till EoD.




I was a wolf and swept a town that had 5 of these players in it.

Please point to the part where my world view is inconsistent.

"Inconsistent" is your word, not mine, but sure. So remember that fmpov you played last game just fine while posting close to the current postcap (which lifts an hour before EoD anyway, so you should be fine, really). Now look at these snippets from your first few posts this game.


Hello I don't know how to solve a game in 50 posts so I have decided to be an agent of (hopefully) town agenda chaos by suggesting we do this: pick a name. First come first serve, remove it from the list. Each user gets one. You cannot remove yourself. Last person is killed. We start day 2 with a day of social interactions. If this fails to kill a wolf I don't mind dying day 2 for suggesting this. Life is too short.

1. Visor
2. Totally not Taffy
3.Winston Hughes
4. Cuthillius
5. nebjiamn
6. SilverKeith
7. Cape90
9. EnderWiggin
10. ladd
11. insomnia
12. Achro
13. katze

I removed dya


Of course you need not rush your decision. Socialize a bit. When you feel good about a pick take them off.

I removed dya because I feel I have a way to read them accurately where as most of this list I don't have the faintest clue. Except perhaps sk but I can't keep living off years ago success forever.


Ah well in particular I am better when I have meta and practice with others or I think I have a strong feel for a person. Most of this list I don't play with too too often and is highly skilled. Perhaps it won't be rocket science though.

Most of all I think it's fun and a little intriguing. Mixes it up a bit. A truly chill experience.


Hmm, alright.

I'll sheep you day one then, boss.

Solve away.

You project a lot of insecurity, that I feel is unwarranted. Could be a wolf laying the groundworks for lacking in the solving department. Good enough for an early D1 vote imo, but let's see if the coming 200+ posts bring something meatier!

[Cuthillius]

Dyachei(2): katze, ender
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(1): ladd
Katze (2): insomnia, cuth
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Not voting (3): Dyachei, achro, Winston

Will be driving today. Should post more tallies close to EOD.
Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

Anyway I think I like Visor's vote on me now when earlier I didn't. I 5hink he would be wary of just having a vote chill on a villager for most of the day and not care that I didn't like it as a wolf since he knows I can be prickly at times. Nothing too indicative or anything since he is just floating with it but maybe more town than scum.
respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

eh. i guess "threadspewed town" probably never applied to them. Cuthillius i noticed you never rly commented on taffy during that period of posts, whys that?
there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

wolf rangevilla range


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/customavatars/avatar102428_1.gif
shitpost range




this post made me very happy

i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth
not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him
i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol

[dyachei]

Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

this post made me very happy

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol

hi cuth!

I am happy to be playing with you again. Sorry I made you meh.

I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

[Cuthillius]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.
this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

I started that response sober...

:wine:
that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)
yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty

hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh

atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

[Totally not Taffy]

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more
I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

Would you two prefer to chat rather than have me read up rn? Mind you I have very few opinions yet.

[nebjiamn]

atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list
i have also considered this fwiw

also that this is pretty distinct from what i remember him doing as wolf in a similar list here on the org last year. which isn't to say he can't have that range but just something i've picked up on and noted

but if we're wrong on cape and/or taffy he'd be my next best guess aorn and i felt like no one was really talking about him.

speaking of that taffy post feels decent and looking forward to see what else they post

[Cuthillius]

hi cuth!

I am happy to be playing with you again. Sorry I made you meh.

I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

<3 <3

thank you for this post!

and no worries

glad you're playing too and good to see you around in general!

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

but on top of that when some of the people who like are in the poe and could be sorted are just refusing to elaborate or talk through their thoughts it's frustrating

[dyachei]

Would you two prefer to chat rather than have me read up rn? Mind you I have very few opinions yet.

why dont we start with what reads you do have and why?

[Cuthillius]

why dont we start with what reads you do have and why?

@Cuthillius thanks this post.

[Totally not Taffy]

why dont we start with what reads you do have and why?

Ladd would be my strongest townread atm. Ender, Cape and Katze very lightly.

Nothing really pinged me in the first 100 posts outside of Achro, especially since I've now reached his post where he suspects Ladd for downplaying his abilities when that's exactly what he's doing himself.

[Totally not Taffy]

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

I disagree btw, first of all it makes no logical sense to me that you'd start by sifting through the players you know the least and secondly it makes for a very unwelcoming experience for newer players.

[Cuthillius]

I disagree btw, first of all it makes no logical sense to me that you'd start by sifting through the players you know the least and secondly it makes for a very unwelcoming experience for newer players.

i think a lot of the players i know the best i've known for long enough to know that in most circumstances they're not going to be obviously villagery or wolfy right off the bat, while that isn't necessarily the case for the people i know less well (though it could be)

it's not like i'm not trying to sort other people or avoiding asking the people i know questions

and also it's not even a thing of people i know well or don't-- as you probably know, ender is from GitP and we've technically been playing together for like 10 years, but i still think it's easier to sort him than, say, katze or ladd

but i think i do agree with you to some extent in that i don't think it's the funnest way to play, and isn't nice when you're one of the consensus poe people just because you're not one of the big scary veterans, but like unless unexpected things happen this is just how these sorts of games tend to start, because it rarely makes sense to roll the dice super hard off the bat and that can put the game off on a really wrong foot if done badly

idk if the above words make sense

but i guess my point is that when i say broadly okay i don't mean strictly ideal i just mean it happens and it happens for reasons and idk

[Cuthillius]

Ladd would be my strongest townread atm. Ender, Cape and Katze very lightly.

Nothing really pinged me in the first 100 posts outside of Achro, especially since I've now reached his post where he suspects Ladd for downplaying his abilities when that's exactly what he's doing himself.

to follow up on what dya said, could you go into a bit more reasoning on why you have the first four reads?

and if you've not been able to catch up to a place where you can explain/justify reads beyond gut feel, then I'd appreciate your doing so before having these interactions

[dyachei]

Ladd would be my strongest townread atm. Ender, Cape and Katze very lightly.

Nothing really pinged me in the first 100 posts outside of Achro, especially since I've now reached his post where he suspects Ladd for downplaying his abilities when that's exactly what he's doing himself.

what pinged you specifically about achro

[Cuthillius]

i don't think that achro's been wildly villagery, but i think they've been villagery enough that i'm definitely not interested in going there today and feel fine about being able to figure them out down the road if need be

[Totally not Taffy]

i think a lot of the players i know the best i've known for long enough to know that in most circumstances they're not going to be obviously villagery or wolfy right off the bat, while that isn't necessarily the case for the people i know less well (though it could be)

it's not like i'm not trying to sort other people or avoiding asking the people i know questions

and also it's not even a thing of people i know well or don't-- as you probably know, ender is from GitP and we've technically been playing together for like 10 years, but i still think it's easier to sort him than, say, katze or ladd

but i think i do agree with you to some extent in that i don't think it's the funnest way to play, and isn't nice when you're one of the consensus poe people just because you're not one of the big scary veterans, but like unless unexpected things happen this is just how these sorts of games tend to start, because it rarely makes sense to roll the dice super hard off the bat and that can put the game off on a really wrong foot if done badly

idk if the above words make sense

but i guess my point is that when i say broadly okay i don't mean strictly ideal i just mean it happens and it happens for reasons and idk

For me it's more repeated experiences of people saying "I know this person well, I'll find them in FX" and then getting snowed in said FX while the newer players that sussed the wolf are dead. But eh.

[dyachei]

For me it's more repeated experiences of people saying "I know this person well, I'll find them in FX" and then getting snowed in said FX while the newer players that sussed the wolf are dead. But eh.

Im definitely not doing that fwiw. Benneh is probably one of my favorite people to play with and I outed a wolf read on him d1 lol

so lets talk about other things

[dyachei]

i don't think that achro's been wildly villagery, but i think they've been villagery enough that i'm definitely not interested in going there today and feel fine about being able to figure them out down the road if need be

this is basically how i feel about achro

[Totally not Taffy]

to follow up on what dya said, could you go into a bit more reasoning on why you have the first four reads?

and if you've not been able to catch up to a place where you can explain/justify reads beyond gut feel, then I'd appreciate your doing so before having these interactions

The way they're approaching the game, combined with how I've seen them play in the past, mostly.


what pinged you specifically about achro
Scroll up a bit, I replied to a post of his asking the same.



i don't think that achro's been wildly villagery, but i think they've been villagery enough that i'm definitely not interested in going there today and feel fine about being able to figure them out down the road if need be

Funny cross post is funny ~D

[Cuthillius]

ok i'm closing the thread for a bit i can't

[nebjiamn]

Im definitely not doing that fwiw. Benneh is probably one of my favorite people to play with and I outed a wolf read on him d1 lol

so lets talk about other things
just probably?

vote: dya

[nebjiamn]

taffy my assumption is you're still not caught up? i'm happy to see ur thoughts on the first 100 posts but would really like to see how you piece the game together when ytou look at the next 200~, especially since i probly won't be around for the last hour of eod

[ladd]

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder. the achro/katze is really the trickiest part for me cause they have been wolfread by so many people that some of them have to be villagers AND they have a weird on/off dynamic between them so i am kinda worried i am misreading them and 1 of them is a wolf playing a villagery game




how confident are you on benneh atm

he is not 100% obvious villager benneh, but let's say he is 80% obvious villager benneh. pushing cool angles, pristine toan and generally making good posts

my way to read benneh is similar to katze really

i was kinda worried about him potentially being a wolf with cape and pushing on villa taffy to try to avoid the cape lunch for a bit which is why i did not call him villa earlier but he has been villagery enuf where most likely he is just one



can you go into your dya read a bit more


they seemed a bit grumpy/not having fun from the beginning which i associated with them having randed wolf when not wanting to

but their recentish string of posts feels a lot like villa dya and their push on benneh seems like a classic push dya makes as a villager. don't really feel like they'd bother pushing on benneh of all people d1 as a wolf considering how little into the game they seemed to be

they would have just made a bunch of consensus-y reads and called it a day IMO



and also talk about insomnia


seems fine and probably has an okay view of the gamestate, nice post on cape

wouldnt be shocked if he is a wolf but it FEELS like he is a villager

[Totally not Taffy]

taffy my assumption is you're still not caught up? i'm happy to see ur thoughts on the first 100 posts but would really like to see how you piece the game together when ytou look at the next 200~, especially since i probly won't be around for the last hour of eod

Yes that does seem more useful then. Ttyl

[insomnia]

taffy my assumption is you're still not caught up? i'm happy to see ur thoughts on the first 100 posts but would really like to see how you piece the game together when ytou look at the next 200~, especially since i probly won't be around for the last hour of eod

im not sure how much threadpull you can have by missing out on the most influential part of the game

[ladd]

taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk

i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy


This is a town post and dya is a town who is having trouble getting into the game.

Let's actually go back 3 years in time to the last time I pulled scum sk out of my hat day one in champs and commit some metallurgical murder.

this is genuinely the purest post itg


iyam

[nebjiamn]

im not sure how much threadpull you can have by missing out on the most influential part of the game
plese don't tell sabi

[insomnia]

if there's a tougher wolf, it probably is katze imo

i don't have the best reason and it has plausible deniability, but the reason sounded elite enough (if right) to not make me reconsider my read

[dyachei]

I just found out on my monster calendar that monday aug 21at is bring your unspeakable horror to work day. But i'm off mondays, so how will I bring amy to work?

[ladd]

I can get behind Katze sus.

I now very much like Winston/Achro/Taffy as town tbh.


Taffy being hard sussed early feels like town!Taffy. And if it isn't I'll work it out later.

Winston I liked their jib.

Achro is doing the particular thing he does where he's like "But why would I do this???" with self-righteousness. Which he doesn't *usually* do as wolf.

idk man, i know you can argue why would he ever post like this as a wolf


but this reasoning for what seems to be a genuine villa read makes 0 sense to me



the wolfiest thing about katze is pobably their cape read which...I am not sure i follow


Benneh thoughts on visor?

[ladd]

i am re reading achro ISO and man the dude is just a villager

katze how do you plead?

[dyachei]

i am re reading achro ISO and man the dude is just a villager

katze how do you plead?

she's a wolf! burn her!

[nebjiamn]

idk man, i know you can argue why would he ever post like this as a wolf


but this reasoning for what seems to be a genuine villa read makes 0 sense to me



the wolfiest thing about katze is pobably their cape read which...I am not sure i follow


@Ben (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=14552)neh thoughts on visor?
i think he's v. its not a strong read but it doesn't feel like he's trying to push an agenda into the thread

like, i don't imagine a wolf visor halfway thru day being like "Welp, guess we're lunching cape cause i don't see anything better" regardless of cape's alignment. and then when asking me for more thoughts he just kinda accepts them but still gives ppl time to breathe. i feel like he'd force there to be more than one suspect on his radar atp

[insomnia]

driving humbled me and then turned me even more egotistical because everybody who drives here sucks at driving and now i hate driving

glgl



i wouldn't really feel bad misreading you on post 70 of a game tbh; i currently dislike your vibes, not really something i can go into much detail on if i wanted to and i don't particularly want to anyways

what's stopping me from being a wolf and going 0/2 on purpose i don't actually follow sheeping me on insomnia because im wrong on you iyo?

this felt like a weird line to add in so early, especially when katze didn't seem to have any tangible reason to think achro is a wolf. it's worded in a big shading manner, but there isn't any evidence to support him responding like this. remember when he got asked why achro was a wolf, he could barely explain it. not to mention that it's just a poor point to nitpick imo

it's like he's never seen someone sheeping someone's read before. in this case, katze's read on achro is irrelevant to him sheeping katze on me


feels like it's meant more to make a point of being seen pushing something "big" than him believing in it, but there is plausible deniability that he somehow did believe achro was a wolf on some gut level and he was ramping up on achro, but still, feels weird

there's even more plausible deniability that i straight up misinterpreted the t0an of the post, case could be made that it's an inquisitive tone but i took it more as a shade

[Winston Hughes]

ladd, dya, taffy all picking up townpoints

cuth, benneh going the other way

insomnia is deeep in my null zone - got no feels at all here from 22 posts - worth an iso

[katze]

if there's a tougher wolf, it probably is katze imo

i don't have the best reason and it has plausible deniability, but the reason sounded elite enough (if right) to not make me reconsider my read

well now i want to hear it

i have a feeling ill laugh at it but call it villagery


i am re reading achro ISO and man the dude is just a villager

katze how do you plead?

im not sure what the pleading emoji has to do with achro but basically you just go https://em-content.zobj.net/thumbs/120/twitter/351/pleading-face_1f97a.png and then yeah

ive had him as probably town for a while now i've just been sitting on it because i'm stubborn and still have some doubt

[nebjiamn]

this felt like a weird line to add in so early, especially when katze didn't seem to have any tangible reason to think achro is a wolf. it's worded in a big shading manner, but there isn't any evidence to support him responding like this. remember when he got asked why achro was a wolf, he could barely explain it. not to mention that it's just a poor point to nitpick imo

it's like he's never seen someone sheeping someone's read before. in this case, katze's read on achro is irrelevant to him sheeping katze on me


feels like it's meant more to make a point of being seen pushing something "big" than him believing in it, but there is plausible deniability that he somehow did believe achro was a wolf on some gut level and he was ramping up on achro, but still, feels weird

there's even more plausible deniability that i straight up misinterpreted the t0an of the post, case could be made that it's an inquisitive tone but i took it more as a shade
that sequence is weird in general because achro was the one positing they wouldn't be 0/2 which implies they really think katze is a wolf since he acribed intent to the accuracy

i don't think its a weird add in for katze to then ask "why can't i be a wolf who's wrong"

[Winston Hughes]

:laugh4:

perfect timing

Confidence says my feels are right!

Paranoia says catching katze shouldn't be this easy?

[ladd]

i think he's v. its not a strong read but it doesn't feel like he's trying to push an agenda into the thread

like, i don't imagine a wolf visor halfway thru day being like "Welp, guess we're lunching cape cause i don't see anything better" regardless of cape's alignment. and then when asking me for more thoughts he just kinda accepts them but still gives ppl time to breathe. i feel like he'd force there to be more than one suspect on his radar atp

yea that was similarish to my read on him (i also liked his ender villa read at the time)

but i feel like you can apply this to almost anyone so i dunno

[insomnia]

that sequence is weird in general because achro was the one positing they wouldn't be 0/2 which implies they really think katze is a wolf since he acribed intent to the accuracy

i don't think its a weird add in for katze to then ask "why can't i be a wolf who's wrong"

tbh i didn't even read the context that carefully

like i said, it was just something on the backburner that im not sure on rn. i still wanna lunch cape

[Winston Hughes]

Only two kinds of town chop Achro today:

i) a brilliant one

ii) a foolish one

[insomnia]

didn't even wanna lay it out because it can be so easily wrong, but $tat$ in case it's right

[nebjiamn]

tbh i didn't even read the context that carefully

like i said, it was just something on the backburner that im not sure on rn. i still wanna lunch cape
sure

that just doesn't do much for me. i get that you mean it would be weird for katze to be unaware of the idea that someone sheeps them on another player but i just think its a fair point to reference since achro started it with some questionable conditional

[Winston Hughes]

https://em-content.zobj.net/thumbs/120/twitter/351/pleading-face_1f97a.png

fuuuck me that's a big face...

:creep:

[insomnia]

my head hurts even trying to make sense of the whole discussion between achro / katze

im not reading allat

[Winston Hughes]

who thinks cuth is town and what are you smoking?

:book2:

[Winston Hughes]

katze/cuth/visor

obviously i'm wrong

but can someone tell me why?

[Totally not Taffy]

id be very surprised if i got n1ed this game

Why? Who do you expect to be on the top of the wolf hitlist?



and maybe visor too (ur not allowed to make vocab reads on me anymore bro im gonna get snowed so hard by marmot this game)

Which player here is a Marmot alt, or who were you actually thinking of?




Alrighty thx


I re skimmed cape iso and i have a feeling we ll end up lunching him :curtain:

Maybe rightfully so

I wanted to ask why, but you already explained that later so now it's a reminder to myself to ISO Cape if I get the time. I do agree that it's not like him not to keep posting when under suspicion, he tends to be very feisty. But maybe he came back and I'm just not there yet.




I have no idea how you play as either alignment so I am taking a cautious approach in assigning alignment intentions from other posts. ladd you are free to quote posts or stances you feel I SHOULD have a take on and I will give one but without much confidence. I can read into everything, but it isn't always the best course to do so early with skilled players.

Cape huh for a wolf buddy. Tbh I would probably just hard bus him for the cred instead of being cute about not being able to read him. Maybe not though.

More misplaced lack of confidence to add to what I said earlier. I just wanted to state that I agree with everything Benneh said about this statement, and it doesn't add up to my (admittedly very limited) view of your wolfing, this early in the game I'd be more inclined to expect you to push somewhere else to distract people from your wolfbuddy. Noting though how you're actually not doing that, so I'm personally inclined to think that if Cape ends up flipping wolf you're probably not his partner.




i am choosing to not answer this

any inconveniences this may cause you may be forwarded to visor
Okay lets dome then.

Vote: katze

This to my sense feels like how wolf katze thinks town achro thinks town katze thinks like.

Let's find out.

Yeehaw and such.
nah

not interested

have a nice day
i'm just going to mentally ignore any posts of yours that are along the lines of "we are thunderdoming on day 1, katze" and carry on with my day

i could go on about how i believe plays like this are just bad for the game health but i'm just going to solve around it instead

if it makes you feel better i do find it hard to believe that you as a villager thinks that this is how i would respond as a wolf, but i'm not weighing that very much into my read on you
I am sorry but if you are going to vote me and then proceed to shade me for several posts and when I ask you to explain your read you say 'no thanks and sorry how this impacts you' then you don't exactly vst to soap box about thread health. If you are unconcerned about how things impact me then I will in turn reinvest that attitude into you. But worse. Because while I am chiller these days and want a fun game for everyone I am not going to sit here and be shaded while I don't understand your perspective with a smile 'golly gee katze I guess that's fine'

If you think I am scum as town then you are wrong, which is chill but you make yourself unfindable and considering you keep mentioning I am scum every other post I find it very relevant to understanding your alignment why it is you do so.

You may of course ignore me if you like. You have no obligation to participate and I don't need it in order to get votes on you. Hopefully someone agrees that 'teehee won't say' isn't conductive to solving anything.

And if not hey, that's life.

But don't preach to me about game health. How sanctimonious can you be.

I think both Achro's defensiveness and Katze's refusal to engage with it are towny for them. Which is annoying for me in Achro's case.

[dyachei]

who thinks cuth is town and what are you smoking?

:book2:

i actually buy cuth's frustration and give him very small townpoints for it

[Totally not Taffy]

that sequence is weird in general because achro was the one positing they wouldn't be 0/2 which implies they really think katze is a wolf since he acribed intent to the accuracy

i don't think its a weird add in for katze to then ask "why can't i be a wolf who's wrong"

Oh that's funny I actually read that as treating Katze as town bc a wolf wouldn't be "wrong" they'd be pushing a town deliberately.

[nebjiamn]

i actually buy cuth's frustration and give him very small townpoints for it
i wasn't sure what he got upset about most recently but figured i might just have been reading the situation wrong

either way i think cuth's been pretty towny when around

[katze]

for clarification purposes, i don't think at any point today i have had the thought "i am going to vote achro at end of day today", i use my votes in the middle of the day more as a tool than as a weapon

sometimes even at end of day although i obviously won't fuck around at an eod where my vote is the decider between a player i think is town and a player i think as mafia. but if the eod wagon is a runaway then i dont rly give a shit where my vote lands

i am probably keeping too many cards to myself this game already though given that is something i was trying to do less in the past so going forward ill try to be clearer on things


ladd: my read on cape has been nearly nonexistent all day. his posting has not done it for me, i know he can easily do better as either alignment, i've felt like he was going to die since the first half of the day and i have not really cared to change that because his posting is. not good. especially as the day goes on and players are actually getting pretty villagery, especially dya trending up when they were my top wolfread for a bit. the game around cape is simply townier. if i ignore everything around him then his posts are still not great anyway so it's a ~fine D1. i guess in few words my read on cape is "a player who is failing to be villagery in a game full of villagery players"



winston: imo finding me as mafia isn't that hard, altho i think w!me is towniest on D1. killing me as mafia is rly hard. killing me as town is even harder (unless you're a town vig, then it's really really easy apparently. town vigs pls stop targeting me im literally always town when they try to vig me :angry:)

also the team isnt me/cuth/visor because im a villager :whip:

whats up with cuth iyo?



insom: shrug. i feel like benneh kinda hit it on the head i dont get what the nitpick here is he made a weird comment that made no sense to me and i was like "why is that your first thought what". ironically that is still one of the achro posts i still have concerns about


taffy: i dont generally expect to be n1ed in games where the playerlists are "stacked" just because i consider myself a player whose skill is pretty lopsided (i find myself to be a mid tier villager but a top tier wolf, players like me are valuable to keep around because i am prone to being tinfoiled) and also just generally easy to wolfread

also marmot is not in this game i was making an inside joke w/ visor because he was up my ass in our last game because i said "marmot might be snowing me" as a villager, which he refused to believe could come from a villager. spoiler alert: we were v/v :curtain:



achro: since i guess im no longer pretending to wolfread you
uhhh

i feel like i should have something to say here but i don't think i do

instead of deleting this i will instead be INSANELY SELF AWARE about it just so cuth can quote that one time he went "katze is too self conscious for their own good" because yeah




also i keep forgetting to move my vote, so uh

vote: cape90
Cape90 if ur a villager post villagery b4 eod thx



i think this might be cap for me or its 49/50 either way i will probably be around later and lurking vaguely in the meantime and if its not cap then ill post something silly before lift

[Cuthillius]

katze/cuth/visor

obviously i'm wrong

but can someone tell me why?

i do have a reputation of bussing!

[Winston Hughes]

i actually buy cuth's frustration and give him very small townpoints for it

okay, small or not, this might have legs

can you point to the post/sequence in question, and explain what you find townie about it?

[Winston Hughes]

killing me as mafia is rly hard. killing me as town is even harder

big game hunting

:rifle:

[dyachei]

okay, small or not, this might have legs

can you point to the post/sequence in question, and explain what you find townie about it?

that I called him a wolf and he was like frustrated that people weren't engaging with him and just sussing him

look, when I'm a wolf and people call me a wolf, I'm like hyperaware and try to be towny. I think cuth does to a certain extent too. But here he was like look, that's not really a fair call and whinged about it a bit. that's more what a villager does

[Cuthillius]

vote: winston

can you talk more about your thoughts on visor? also i'm curious what made you think i'm wolfy in the first place, since if you don't know what dya's talking about in terms of frustration it kinda gives me the sense that you haven't actually paid attention to ~any of my posts from the last 24 hours

also what did you think of sk's entrance

[Winston Hughes]

that I called him a wolf and he was like frustrated that people weren't engaging with him and just sussing him

look, when I'm a wolf and people call me a wolf, I'm like hyperaware and try to be towny. I think cuth does to a certain extent too. But here he was like look, that's not really a fair call and whinged about it a bit. that's more what a villager does

okay, that seems worth keeping in mind

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Ender

idt taffy's a good vote anymore as i'm getting pretty good vibes from their catchup (inb4 marmot is snowing me)

[nebjiamn]

vote: winston

can you talk more about your thoughts on visor? also i'm curious what made you think i'm wolfy in the first place, since if you don't know what dya's talking about in terms of frustration it kinda gives me the sense that you haven't actually paid attention to ~any of my posts from the last 24 hours

also what did you think of sk's entrance
don't take this the wrong way cuth but

nah

[Cuthillius]

ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod

[nebjiamn]

ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod
spicy

can you talk to me about insom? i don't remember you mentioning him before

[Cuthillius]

don't take this the wrong way cuth but

nah

nah u

i mean do you think winston's been particularly villagery?

i liked his posts overall, but i really don't jibe with his current push (not just because of me)

it feels like it fits neatly into correct winston!w play in a lot of possible worlds here based on how things have gone today

[katze]

question to the class: who here has actual experience with w!winston

i'm currently thinking about stuff. just wondering who i should poke should i need to

(also my last post was 48 so this is 49 lolme)

[Cuthillius]

spicy

can you talk to me about insom? i don't remember you mentioning him before

he's just kinda been there and vibing; i don't think he's a wolf if he's one of the stronger players on the team but i think he makes a lot of sense if our current poe is a bit off (which i think is entirely plausible)

i mostly don't like his cape progression, and otherwise i don't think he's contributed much relative to how many words he's written

[nebjiamn]

nah u

i mean do you think winston's been particularly villagery?

i liked his posts overall, but i really don't jibe with his current push (not just because of me)

it feels like it fits neatly into correct winston!w play in a lot of possible worlds here based on how things have gone today
yea, sorta?

maybe it was fabricated bs but his post to kat bout malicious intent blah blah blah was pretty neat if from wolf.

i don't really know what you mean by correct winston!w play unless you think cape is lock wolf and he's trying to drum up a diff wagon? but even then i don't think he's really pushing anyone that can/will die today and he's taking feedback on his reads

[Winston Hughes]

vote: winston

you know me too well :bow:


can you talk more about your thoughts on visor?

first impressions were townie enough, but i've not felt his guts in it

and the longer that goes on, the more i wonder...


also i'm curious what made you think i'm wolfy in the first place

skimming, i felt like your posts evinced a better understanding of the gamestate than i think you'd have as town

couldn't put my finger on where, exactly, at least without an iso


since if you don't know what dya's talking about in terms of frustration it kinda gives me the sense that you haven't actually paid attention to ~any of my posts from the last 24 hours

yeah, i haven't really

but that's not how i'm reading you

it's not in the details

it's in the vibe

you feel like you know more

maybe that's my imagination, but i've learned to give these vibes time to percolate


also what did you think of sk's entrance

i thought nothing at all

but i'll check it out

[nebjiamn]

maybe the nah was a bit much and im sorry if so cause that was maybe a bit overzealous of me based on my confidence anwyay

not trying to shut u down sorry if thats how it came off

[insomnia]

yea, sorta?

maybe it was fabricated bs but his post to kat bout malicious intent blah blah blah was pretty neat if from wolf.

i don't really know what you mean by correct winston!w play unless you think cape is lock wolf and he's trying to drum up a diff wagon? but even then i don't think he's really pushing anyone that can/will die today and he's taking feedback on his reads

dont think that's what it means. otherwise scoping me out feels unnecessary

[nebjiamn]

he's just kinda been there and vibing; i don't think he's a wolf if he's one of the stronger players on the team but i think he makes a lot of sense if our current poe is a bit off (which i think is entirely plausible)

i mostly don't like his cape progression, and otherwise i don't think he's contributed much relative to how many words he's written
fair enuff as they say

based off current events i think there's an evolvingly better chance cape is a wolf here. does that change your perspective or do you think he could be bussing (i don't remember his progression so i might go reread it after i ask you this) or would he be looking better here. i vaguely recall someone saying if cape is a wolf he's been bussed already, maybe that was achro

[dyachei]

i'm feeling better about benneh

[nebjiamn]

i'm feeling better about benneh
what if i told you i took catalyst on floor 2 without any poison cards

[Winston Hughes]

question to the class: who here has actual experience with w!winston

visor has plenty

cuth has some

taffy has one

ender surely must do, but i can't remember when

[dyachei]

what if i told you i took catalyst on floor 2 without any poison cards

you sonofa...

I want to cards with friends one day again

[nebjiamn]

you sonofa...

I want to cards with friends one day again
we did a 4 player one a few weeks ago with me/steve/tunak/mal and it was a ton of fun. i'd love if we could get a 5 or 6 player game goin

[dyachei]

we did a 4 player one a few weeks ago with me/steve/tunak/mal and it was a ton of fun. i'd love if we could get a 5 or 6 player game goin

depends on when it is but ping me

[Winston Hughes]

it feels like it fits neatly into correct winston!w play in a lot of possible worlds here based on how things have gone today

this is insightful and true

i'm not sure how townie that is, but i've got to give credit

:bow:

[Winston Hughes]

i'd really like to hear taffy's take on how i've played here

[Cape90]

I refuse katze's request until day 2.

Unless you somehow find the catch up I'm about to do, which isn't actually a catch up, im just gonna take the route of reading 1 person at a time through "ISOs" but like, it will catch me up

[Winston Hughes]

reading cuth's iso, there's a maturity to his posting i've not seen before as any alignment, and it's possible i've been misreading that as knowingness

[Cape90]

I think this


Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.

I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.

Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.

So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.

vote:silverkeith

Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.

and potentially this snippet (maybe the katze comment in the same post)


Katze's suspicion of me is fine I guess if we aren't assuming they are an anime villain which I am unsure how prudent it is but also I will give benefit of the doubt and imagine they are being genuine


I also dont like how much cape is being discussed unless he is a wolf and then I knew it all along. I don't get how he is the most wolfy out of everyone and if someone could explain it I would appreciate it. It almost feels like 'yeah we don't like that guy' which is fine and all if he is a wolf but I would like to know why exactly and I don't. So insomnia that's for you and others.

are wolf indicative.

I really have doubts though just given their little day 1 proposal play which I am still gonna bet is coming from town. This is me being fully aware that 1. Achro is a good player 2. That's such a trivial reason to slap a townread on someone.

I thought Achro could have been initiating his scumtell earlier when pushed by katze but i just didn't voice that because I was confbiased into Achro being town this game but it's a thought that crossed my mind before i went to the store.

[Winston Hughes]

katze/visor/benneh?

[Totally not Taffy]

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak

I have to admit I have no idea what you're saying with that last sentence which makes me think I might not understand what you're saying in this post at all.




they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

How do you read Benneh?




Day 1s for me as town have always been about experimentation. I find mafia to be an interesting but repetitive exercise as town, and throwing a bit of ingenuity at a problem creates room for new solving opportunities.

I did admit after all I didn't know what I was going to do with only 50 posts to solve, but here's trying eh?

Plus it's best to assume as town everything I do has about 2-3 hidden motives and ideas behind it. I'm much more methodical than one might assume if they only read my bluster casually. At least, that's what I tell myself.

So what was your agenda behind the "take a name off the list" game SoD, what if anything did you learn from it and why did you drop it later?




i don't dig the taffy read. the way they questioned visor's vote on achro and then instantly piggybacked it with him deserving pressure because he can post enough as a wolf

maybe i didn't really understand their point about how many posts he had vs how many post caps we have here, but regardless of that, it just felt like a wolfy way to shoehorn in a vote after asking for why visor made it in the first place

Visor's vote stood out to me because he said it was serious so I wanted to know what I'd missed, then went looking for a possible reason myself bc a) I didn't think I was going to get an answer anyway and I was impatient, and b) if it really was a serious vote and Visor is town it's more worthwhile to look for a reason myself and maybe show Visor that I'm town by finding the same rather than thinking I'd be able to tell his alignment from his answer, if that makes sense.



question to the class: who here has actual experience with w!winston

Only once over a year ago but my impression was that Winston does not enjoy wolfing anywhere near as much as towning and the only thing that could make it bearable would be if Visor were also a wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

Only once over a year ago but my impression was that Winston does not enjoy wolfing anywhere near as much as towning and the only thing that could make it bearable would be if Visor were also a wolf.

:medievalcheers:

It's true. If Visor and I were both scum here, I'd be having a ball.

[Totally not Taffy]

i'd really like to hear taffy's take on how i've played here

It's coming but I haven't actually reached your entry to the thread yet ~;)

For now I'll say I think you're a more likely partner for hypothetical wolf!Cape than Achro is.

[nebjiamn]

katze/visor/benneh?
that would be fun

[Winston Hughes]

For now I'll say I think you're a more likely partner for hypothetical wolf!Cape than Achro is.

Ooh, yeah, I've not talked about Cape at all. Good catch.

[Cape90]

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.


This specific portion of 210 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053847319&viewfull=1#post2053847319) feels like it could be coming from the mindset of a wolf who's with Taffy

But that's too level 0

[Winston Hughes]

that would be fun

can't blame a boy for dreamin'

[Raskolnikov]

Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

I believe this is correct... maybe. Glgl

[Winston Hughes]

oh shit, we're lynching cape?!

:sweatdrop:

[nebjiamn]

Visor's vote stood out to me because he said it was serious so I wanted to know what I'd missed, then went looking for a possible reason myself bc a) I didn't think I was going to get an answer anyway and I was impatient, and b) if it really was a serious vote and Visor is town it's more worthwhile to look for a reason myself and maybe show Visor that I'm town by finding the same rather than thinking I'd be able to tell his alignment from his answer, if that makes sense.



i can dig that. but that doesn't really align with what your reasoning was to vote him at the time?

like your posts re: achro today woudl have made a lot more sense in that context but the part that bugs me is that you found something almost certainly NAI to use to vote him (e.g. his ability to post above the post cap?)

[Winston Hughes]

why have i been ignoring cape?

[Totally not Taffy]

vote: cape

I don't think anyone else really stands out

Dyas posting hasn't kicked on but I'm fine with that for now

Cuth seems okay for now

Nothing really moving the needle re ladd or benneh

Not sure why it fell off the previous quotes but I think Ladd had done enough atp to have an opinion about him one way or another so slight wolf points for Visor.

Wouldn't want to break with tradition, after all ~D

[Cape90]

ladd: my read on cape has been nearly nonexistent all day. his posting has not done it for me, i know he can easily do better as either alignment, i've felt like he was going to die since the first half of the day and i have not really cared to change that because his posting is. not good. especially as the day goes on and players are actually getting pretty villagery, especially dya trending up when they were my top wolfread for a bit. the game around cape is simply townier. if i ignore everything around him then his posts are still not great anyway so it's a ~fine D1. i guess in few words my read on cape is "a player who is failing to be villagery in a game full of villagery players"

This is the only time I wanna make this clear

If I am wolf, I would have made better posts a long time ago

But alas, you have caught the ultimate chill cape who doesn't care.

[nebjiamn]

Not sure why it fell off the previous quotes but I think Ladd had done enough atp to have an opinion about him one way or another so slight wolf points for Visor.

Wouldn't want to break with tradition, after all ~D
i think visor probably holds ladd and i to a slightly higher standard fwiw

both in terms of wolf and village reading us

[Totally not Taffy]

i can dig that. but that doesn't really align with what your reasoning was to vote him at the time?

like your posts re: achro today woudl have made a lot more sense in that context but the part that bugs me is that you found something almost certainly NAI to use to vote him (e.g. his ability to post above the post cap?)

No not his ability to post above the post cap, but the fact that he posted very little more than the postcap so it shouldn't feel as restrictive as he claims it to be.

[katze]

alrighty ty for the info

id be pretty hyped for a benneh/katze wolfrand but id bus visor so hard u have no idea...

SPEAKING OF WHICH visor is rly wolfy uwu (this isnt a real read) (maybe???)

current worldview looks something like


REDACTED READS: Winston, katze

ladd
benneh
Taffy

Cuthillius
dyachei
insomnia*
Achro

Visor
SilverKeith

Ender
Cape*

i kinda think these two are w/v like 90% of the time

feel free to ask questions in the meantime, this is my capping post ill be back in 40 min or so glgl

[nebjiamn]

This is the only time I wanna make this clear

If I am wolf, I would have made better posts a long time ago

But alas, you have caught the ultimate chill cape who doesn't care.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=2852&dateline=1533292298

[Cape90]

I'm still trying to find this mysterious Achro townleaning me thing where he didn't just say that this game reminded me of my wolf game from way early game.

If katze insists it exists then it obviously must

[nebjiamn]

No not his ability to post above the post cap, but the fact that he posted very little more than the postcap so it shouldn't feel as restrictive as he claims it to be.
ok

that makes a lot more sense lol

[Winston Hughes]

why have i been ignoring cape?

ah, okay

because cape doesn't seem to be acting at all

naturalistic doesn't necessarily mean townie

but i'd need something more specific to convince me to chop here

otherwise cape just seems like low hanging fruit

[ladd]

i am tired and working from office tomorrow so dunno how much longer i will be awake. will try to follow cape catch up to see if I have to switch vote (i'd probably switch to ender fwiw)

me/cuth/benneh/achro/dya/winston are all villagers imo (in this order)

i have gone back and forth a bunch of the rest but the above are p solidified. think i'd probablyyyyy have insomnia/taffy as the next villagers

[Winston Hughes]

REDACTED READS: Winston, katze

i'm pretty sure i know the result

but i respect the commitment to science

:bow:

[ladd]

so far it looks like keeping my vote should be fine tho

:curtain:

[ladd]

alrighty ty for the info

id be pretty hyped for a benneh/katze wolfrand but id bus visor so hard u have no idea...

SPEAKING OF WHICH visor is rly wolfy uwu (this isnt a real read) (maybe???)

current worldview looks something like


REDACTED READS: Winston, katze

ladd
benneh
Taffy

Cuthillius
dyachei
insomnia*
Achro

Visor
SilverKeith

Ender
Cape*

i kinda think these two are w/v like 90% of the time

feel free to ask questions in the meantime, this is my capping post ill be back in 40 min or so glgl

yea, this is more or less where I am at

why w/v on cape/ender?

[insomnia]

p sure she meant cape / i as we're the only two with stars next to our names

i've been kinda getting this w/v thing by a few people and in mashes too. always wondered if it's a way to say im right without wanting to sheep me directly

[dyachei]

oh shit, katze is v reading me. have they actually gotten accurate on me or are they a wolf?

[Winston Hughes]

oh shit, katze is v reading me. have they actually gotten accurate on me or are they a wolf?

:yes:

[ladd]

p sure she meant cape / i as we're the only two with stars next to our names

i've been kinda getting this w/v thing by a few people and in mashes too. always wondered if it's a way to say im right without wanting to sheep me directly

oh right, my bad

makes sense then


you can have the blame if cape is a villager and i can get the credit if he is a wolf


oh shit, katze is v reading me. have they actually gotten accurate on me or are they a wolf?

villagery post

[Winston Hughes]

ladd

sell me on cape

[Cape90]

I feel like I am wasting my time looking at katze, it's obvious by this point they are town

They way they have handled the Achro thing

There was like this post directed at dya where dya used some wolfy sounding logic to defend me and got called out.

You know what, on the topic of dya, they have also pointed out that they have hardly noticed me. Now I find this interesting because now I am thinking even though I have made posts this game, hardly anyone is engaging with the ideas I have put down, as simplistic as they may have been. Something is maybe going on, it kinda makes me wanna point fingers at ladd oddly enough for reasons, I will check back on that later.

Just 229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053847340&viewfull=1#post2053847340) in general LOL

Also it's obvious katze is talking through things with themselves. I believe this is in a towny way, just look at how they ramble about benneh (who I am leaning heavily as town as of about right now) for instance.

[Winston Hughes]

insomnia

where are you on katze?

[ladd]

ladd

sell me on cape

started the game with a bunch of commentary on the achro thing with no real purpose when as a wolf it was the easiest thing to talk about

next pop ins it felt like he didnt actually care nor truly had any belief in any of his reads (see: his reads on benneh and visor). posting to post etc..



seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

could be wrong but:

https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif

[dyachei]

I feel like I am wasting my time looking at katze, it's obvious by this point they are town

They way they have handled the Achro thing

There was like this post directed at dya where dya used some wolfy sounding logic to defend me and got called out.

You know what, on the topic of dya, they have also pointed out that they have hardly noticed me. Now I find this interesting because now I am thinking even though I have made posts this game, hardly anyone is engaging with the ideas I have put down, as simplistic as they may have been. Something is maybe going on, it kinda makes me wanna point fingers at ladd oddly enough for reasons, I will check back on that later.

Just 229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053847340&viewfull=1#post2053847340) in general LOL

Also it's obvious katze is talking through things with themselves. I believe this is in a towny way, just look at how they ramble about benneh (who I am leaning heavily as town as of about right now) for instance.

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

[Winston Hughes]

seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

aye, i get that

but who could be his buddies?

and why have they played it like this?

[insomnia]

insomnia

where are you on katze?

i dunno. i don't share the view that he's as villagery as other people say tho

wouldn't lunch him before cape

[Winston Hughes]

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

~:confused:

[dyachei]

~:confused:

keeping you on your toes

that post from cape is lashing out at everyone. I'd expect v!cape to continue solving

[ladd]

aye, i get that

but who could be his buddies?

and why have they played it like this?

probably 2 from ender/sk/visor and if not then katze (tho i kinda doubt it now tbh)/taffy

i think of the last 4 invitationals i played 3 have ended in a d1 lunch on a wolf with almost no resistance, i dont really think about "why it'd play out like this" I am just trying to lunch the person with the highest odds of being a wolf

[Winston Hughes]

wouldn't lunch him before cape

apologies for making you repeat yourself, but can you explain again why you're set on cape?

[Winston Hughes]

probably 2 from ender/sk/visor and if not then katze (tho i kinda doubt it now tbh)/taffy

i think of the last 4 invitationals i played 3 have ended in a d1 lunch on a wolf with almost no resistance, i dont really think about "why it'd play out like this" I am just trying to lunch the person with the highest odds of being a wolf

ah, that's decent meta

did scum win all the games in the end?

[ladd]

ah, that's decent meta

did scum win all the games in the end?

2 out of 3 iirc

[Winston Hughes]

keeping you on your toes

that post from cape is lashing out at everyone. I'd expect v!cape to continue solving

ah, i see

didn't parse that as aggressive myself

probably should have kept my mouth shut :shame:

[insomnia]

apologies for making you repeat yourself, but can you explain again why you're set on cape?

like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers. my confidence grew as others were posting

then i just didn't buy most of his reads, as well as him being commentary-ish

i made a slightly more detailed post on it if you wanna check it out

[Winston Hughes]

so katze and achro can't post for the next 15

i suggest we make it a thunderdome between them by the time they get back

[Winston Hughes]

like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers

do you find the odd one out is usually scum?

[Cape90]

went to check benneh only because they were next on the SBPC spectrum

Not as towny as I had thought in my head, I have found little to really say because it seemed like benneh was kinda bouncing off people who had villagerier points and like 308 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053847419&viewfull=1#post2053847419) with the suspicion on Ender somewhat voiced here was pretty mediocre, this is keeping in mind that before this, benneh did ask dya their read on EnderWiggin.

I think benneh's posting has been ~fine, I still think 147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053847256&viewfull=1#post2053847256) is just a post that usually always comes from villager. Like why care as mafia about a townread your getting, like wolf would likely just take it and shut up.

middle of the road, probably towards the bottom of my reads just because he's bounced a lot off other people who I am finding townier insom/kinda Cuth (but would have to read more there)

[insomnia]

do you find the odd one out is usually scum?

it makes it more likely. i could be wrong obv, this works way less on d1 and esp in a playerlist like this. but it's a combo of that and his general posting that makes me ok with it

don't think i can substantiate it to a satisfying degree of what it is that's wrong, it's just a "see it and you feel it" type of thing w/r/t his takes and how he approached the game.

[SilverKeith]

Helloooo

what did I miss

[Visor]

Uh I definitely voted cape?

Vote: Cape90

Raskolnikov

[Winston Hughes]

if cape is scum, his buddies have just left him to swing

i'm not sure anyone gets big credit from him flipping red

[Winston Hughes]

shit feels on rails and i hate it

[Raskolnikov]

While the tally remains largely (totally) unchanged,

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

let me introduce to you this allegoric gif of the mafia game:

https://www.wvnstv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/76/2023/02/image0-1.gif

EOD in 1h 6 minutes or so.

Vote at :0 good, at :01 bad

Cappers can post at EOD minus 1 hour (ie very soon, go get them)

[Raskolnikov]

Uh I definitely voted cape?

Vote: Cape90

Raskolnikov

Cape(5): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze, Visor
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

[Visor]

this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty


atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)

[dyachei]

vote: Silverkeith

[nebjiamn]

Helloooo

what did I miss
there were horses and a man on fire and dya killed a guy with a trident

[Cape90]

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

I feel like I have been aggro recently with my games. I'm gonna be less about chit-chatting right now in real time, and just spend time just compiling my thoughts since I haven't spent enough time here in this thread to have a clear picture of everyone.

I don't see the post as lashing out at everyone, like yeah, the first line is aggro but I am actually chill, but im also aggro at the same time LOL, like I am not angry right now in the slightest.


started the game with a bunch of commentary on the achro thing with no real purpose when as a wolf it was the easiest thing to talk about

next pop ins it felt like he didnt actually care nor truly had any belief in any of his reads (see: his reads on benneh and visor). posting to post etc..



seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

could be wrong but:

https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif

I beleived in my reads. They weren't the most solid reads in the world but I believed in them.

Posting to post is fair enough, I was under the impression of this being a chill game. My mistake :).


ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod

This worldview probably only comes from town so welcome to lazy towncore before I actually dig into you. If you are wolf, enjoy it while it lasts :D

[Cape90]

wait EOD is that soon

oh

Well gl LMAO, I will just super skim then

[Achro]

So some things.

No idea how to read into cape being wrong on 3 different posts about scum tells when I am town. I wonder if this is genuine or appearing to be solving an active slot to buy himself time? What are my scum tells in those posts Cape90 although if you are town at least you know to throw them away next time. Cape are we having a pokemash moment or a smas all stars moment? Hard to tell with you tbh

Anyway much has been made about my insecurity as it were. Jokes on you I took a binding vow at the beginning of 2023 that every time in a game I mention I am flawed, I have imperfect skills, and I have weaknesses my skills actually sharpen and I bend reality to make it so my team always wins.

I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed. I am 15-1 as town. 9-0 as wolf. I am skilled, calm, and ferociously violent as either alignment if need be but mostly chill and here for a good time not a long time. I believe my town game is crisper than ever and my ability to both lead and follow has improved. My read are crystal-like in their clarity and I re evaluate very well these days. As scum my games and the fear I leave behind will speak for themselves.

Ok, so clearly I literally know I am awesome. So what's the deal with what I said earlier? All of that I just rambled about is true but also I recognize that I DO struggle more without meta at times and I do often use posting to help me in scum hunting through real time interactions and sneaky lines of inquiry and play. 50 feels rough compared to I believe the 80 or 100 of the previous game.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that fake solving as a wolf and actually figuring out people are very different experiences with limited posts. And if they aren't then they are to me. I guess you can murder me if you want if you think for some weird reason wolf achro faked this sentiment and then proceeded to do his best to solve before post capping. Don't really get it tbh. That post cap didn't obstruct me from wolfing because I just needed to fake solve. I worry for this post cap because I need to actually solve. I feel we may be speaking different languages. Also I posted almost double post cap because you said the game ended in 5 days but I 0 posted day 5 because town messed up and voted before I could post. Just FYI. I THINK this is town from you but also you running this like a treadmill is a little confusing. My solving has clearly at this point been eventful. Sorry for showing a little humility I guess I can turn up the ego if you like lmao. I know that's not what you are saying yeah yeah, it is just the ultimate mountain out of a mole hill and would never be wolf indicative for me. My posting after doesnt really fit into this narrative as I did my best Anyway yknow?

Anyway as for my list idea I thunk I saw it in some game recently and I was like 'oh yeah that sounds fun' I of course know that good mafia players abhor fun (they play mafia after all) so I didn't expect it to be completed but I thought it would be fun if it did. The main purpose is fuck RVS and look, barely any RVS. Beautiful. Secondly I was just vibing with everyone's reactions and going from there. How people talk about things early isn't always apparent day 1 in terms of alignment but I bet if I go back after a scum flips something in that discussion will help me solve, or help others if I am dead. Laying weird situations as groundwork for people to come back to is fun and it has helped me a lot in games.


Anyway I think today has proven my fears to be true in that I feel the game has been really stagnant. Feels like it was mostly me and katze churning the butter while everyone else sat around talking about cape or me or katze all day. For all this talk about solving day one dya hasn't fulfilled much in the way of sharp conclusions. But dya, benneh, and myself all have sk in our bottom 5 and so does katze. So lets kill him for the crime of wall posting and move on.


Oh

Right.

I thought wolf katze wouldn't have their scum partner as 1 town and me as wolf there because of she pushed me over they would look paired if one of them died. Most wolves get really nitpicky about things like that. It wasn't a major read but I liked the thought so I ran with it.

.

God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.

All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'

Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.

Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'

Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.

More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.

In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.

[Winston Hughes]

anybody wanna grow some balls?

:whip:

[katze]

wrt my last reads: i guess calling insom/cape a DIFFERENCE CHECK is a bit unfair. but i do think insom wolf equity skyrockets if cape is a villager and plummets if cape is a wolf. its rly as simple as i dont think hes bussing cape and if capes a villager then im misclearing someone and i think that insom is one of the names id point at first in "someone i am currently misclearing"

anyway ive been being pretty coy on my winston read because i've been kinda uncertain and wanted him to keep cooking, but yeah he's probably a villager lmao. when i earlier poked him and he said he had more content in the sorc17 game at that point, i found this sequence of posts


whatever you want

you being under the radar and careful not to say anything untoward reminds me more of how you wolf than how you town


indeed

i know exactly how it looks

i'm not feeling the joy yet

and that is ++rand scum for me


but honestly i'm just not sure what to talk about

partly it's just rustiness, i think

but there's probably also just too much red meat already on the plate

in all of my games in recent years, i've felt like i needed to drive the conversation to some extent

this game's been generating it faster than i've been able to keep up

and have been kinda sitting on it since then. his postings gotten a lot better since then and i really think his play this game is like, actually really similar to that game and i think he's definitely getting a better idea of what to talk about as the day progresses. i imagine if its like day 3 or something and he starts kinda doing nothing of interest and the game starts going to shit then you probably just light his shoes on fire and see what happens but as of now i'm p comfy with him

it's also comforting that the ppl with experience seem to feel similarly since this isn't like, ironclad meta or anything

bet you didn't see that coming Winston Hughes!

ladd you earlier said i was probably your top townread/definitely had me amongst them, what changed between then and now where im not really even in your townreads in post 412?

either way our views of the game are p much identical albeit with slightly different ordering so we vibe
dyachei to be quite honest you're prob my weakest TL [my tiersare ~never ordered] but shrug, ive found your posts after you got going to be p reminiscent of what i recall from your villa game and i'm definitely sheeping ladd a bit. i think he might be a bit too confident but i mean. i say that every time he locks benneh or apoc town on page 2 and hes usually right so. yeah.
Cape90 it is really really funny to me that you are choosing to do sort by postcount isos instead of natural catchups given you had comparisons to c4 from the dobby game earlier

i'd kinda prefer you. did not do that. but ultimately you should catch up however ur comfortable doing it and if you're town then its on us to find it in you

whenever you have a more concrete worldview tho can you drop a readlist? explanations preferable, i think forming reads via isoing can lead to fragmented views of the game so it might reduce confusion if you do that
Achro ur a nerd and i expect u to have a paragraph for me to read. and if not then my soulreads are wrong. this is very important to



kinda surprised nobody questioned taffy being one of my top 3 townreads when i prior had sat on "they're getting townread too easily"

i dont know if that means anything though. just funny.

spoiler: i am projecting more confidence than i should on that read but i kinda just feel the villager in their soul and want to be right

[Achro]

That was a town claim btw

[Achro]

Only a paragraph lmao katze

Lmao

[Cape90]

I'm a bit in between on dyachei... which figures i guess

[Visor]

I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)

Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms

Like a wolf working the elbow grease

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Silverkeith

pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here

just for the joy

[ladd]

Posting to post is fair enough, I was under the impression of this being a chill game. My mistake :).



It is a chill game! But we still gotta accuse someone of being a wolf

[Winston Hughes]

I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)

Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms

Like a wolf working the elbow grease

:laugh4:

oh now you step in

[Cape90]

Cape90 it is really really funny to me that you are choosing to do sort by postcount isos instead of natural catchups given you had comparisons to c4 from the dobby game earlier

hoenstly EOD snuck up on me, I was like "oh yeah i better preserve post count

[Achro]

Cape is town I have decided. So he is sc-

I will stop.
ladd yo. Obv villager here. Mind helping me with sk for a bit with a vote? I think cape is under enough siege and we've got an hour. Let's cook.

[SilverKeith]

Hello SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.

I don't think trying new things is unlike you. I think there's a big difference between you trying to make someone claim their item in draft mafia, which is something really proactive/bossy of you, you wanted to command thread. This was more like a silly experiment with no real mech reason behind it, it was also a lot more, uh, dependant on circumstances I'd say, a "Hmmm I wonder what will happens or what conclussions can be drawn from it" rather than "This is an strategy that I can agree with or at least understand". I don't think it's really AI (maybe it is but for that I'd need to know more about how you open a game as both alignments)



102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game? None, I think. Maybe I've read a game where you were wolfing but can't remember rn. I just felt it was wolfy. Or that must've been the case since I don't currently know which post we're talking about.


Don't think I can reference a wolf game where I reference other games tho I think I reference other games relatively often but it's not something I actively do.

I think something you said later that bothered you was related to me having both you and Taffy as wolves which didn't make any sense and my answer is that you're misunderstanding how I think about games. I can think about things that different players do are individually wolfy witouth having to check into the macro universe where I concilliate both of those things making sense. I see things I say things about them.

Also I don't currently think you're a wolf, kinda? Your push here towards me reminds me of your push in draft mafia. I think that if you were a wolf I'd be more bothered by your reasonings.

[Achro]

pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here

just for the joy

Why is the low posters the golden goose?

[Winston Hughes]

why is katze giving that much attention to reading me?

[Winston Hughes]

Why is the low posters the golden goose?

too easy

[dyachei]

pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here

just for the joy

i find it sus he only showed up for EOD

[Cape90]

to be clear i dont think cape is an home run wolf cause like i don't have a gotcha moment like it felt i had the last couple of games here with capage/boq, its more of a body of work read

i have re read his last pop in and it still feels like he is kinda just saying things




the Sk wall flowed p well and i liked his progression of achro in it and how he linked me to my achro read. it feels like the classic Sk opening wall where i disagree with a bunch of reads but the wall itself is villagery



in a shocking turn of events katze may be my top villager, i am happy i didnt call their first post wolfy



i am curious to see where dya pushes

vote: ladd

you know i just have a feeling

[Achro]

Oh hello Keith. If you are town question. Why would my thing be as mech heavy as a draft mafia in a 13er lol


Come on that don't make any sense.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: ladd

you know i just have a feeling

so tempted to follow, just for the memes

but surely not...

[SilverKeith]

So why are we voting cape again?

[katze]

why is katze giving that much attention to reading me?

i thought u were wolfy and then you gave me a reason to think it was a false ping so i sat and watched and then wrote words about it

as to why i made a show about it

i dont have an answer ngl

[Cape90]

my best case on cape is that they were shitposting with me and then they just didn't respond at all when i responded a little acerbically and a part of me ~strongly feels that that could be a nervous wolf thing to do lol because you're scared to answer weirdly and get my attention but it's rvs so you can get away with not engaging

but i don't love how people are treating the slot otherwise so i've been cooling on that recently

I didn't respond to you to purposefully leave you in the dark about the pocket thing to just see

[Raskolnikov]

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, katze, Visor
Sk(2): achro, Dya
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
ladd(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

[ladd]

Cape is town I have decided. So he is sc-

I will stop.
ladd yo. Obv villager here. Mind helping me with sk for a bit with a vote? I think cape is under enough siege and we've got an hour. Let's cook.

Ill follow on phone and see what both do at eod

Unless i fall asleep

[katze]

vote: silverkeith

sure ill bite

no promises i stay

[SilverKeith]

Oh hello Keith. If you are town question. Why would my thing be as mech heavy as a draft mafia in a 13er lol


Come on that don't make any sense.

I didn't say that. My point is that last one felt like a strategy and this one doesn't feel like it. Just a "let's push buttons and see what happens witouth a clear direction".

[Achro]

back at my computer for the finale

I have changed my mind, SK is town

unvote: Silverkeith

time to murder a wolf in 51 minutes.

[Cape90]

i wouldn't say cuth has super towntold besides their worldview which is very clearly anti-consensus and therefore I think it's villagery

But they are reminding me of how they usually play as town

[Achro]

I didn't say that. My point is that last one felt like a strategy and this one doesn't feel like it. Just a "let's push buttons and see what happens witouth a clear direction".

Yes, very true. You can be town for understanding this and mistaking it for wolfy intent.

I like chaos as town.

[Visor]

vote: cuthillius

[katze]

silverkeith is gonna write something that people dont understand and at eod he will be executed over cape and then achro will coach cape in wolfchat and theyll endgame together

a tale as old as time

[Winston Hughes]

i thought u were wolfy and then you gave me a reason to think it was a false ping so i sat and watched and then wrote words about it

as to why i made a show about it

i dont have an answer ngl

it is with the greatest respect that i leave my vote on you here

:bow:

[katze]

back at my computer for the finale

I have changed my mind, SK is town

unvote: Silverkeith

time to murder a wolf in 51 minutes.

son of a

[Winston Hughes]

silverkeith is gonna write something that people dont understand and at eod he will be executed over cape and then achro will coach cape in wolfchat and theyll endgame together

a tale as old as time

god damn you!

unvote

[SilverKeith]

silverkeith is gonna write something that people dont understand and at eod he will be executed over cape and then achro will coach cape in wolfchat and theyll endgame together

a tale as old as time

Vote:Katze

[Achro]

vote: ladd

I don't like the direction of the thread, and ladd feels like the one leading it. And following along on phone and see what they do? As if you are not in danger? Excuse me? Did you think calling me a villager would grant you some sort of clemency? Now is the fun.

[Cuthillius]

yea, sorta?

maybe it was fabricated bs but his post to kat bout malicious intent blah blah blah was pretty neat if from wolf.

i don't really know what you mean by correct winston!w play unless you think cape is lock wolf and he's trying to drum up a diff wagon? but even then i don't think he's really pushing anyone that can/will die today and he's taking feedback on his reads

yeah i mean that's fair i do agree that it's probably >rand v in a vacuum

it did feel like. it was something constructed inside winston's head around a particular idea that then crystallized

which doesn't mean it can't have happened organically, but i think it was a lot of detail built around not that much of an initial feeling, and that fleshing it out solidified that

or at least that's the impression i got

getting a vibe and then describing how that would play at in kat's mind and playstyle versus like actually having concrete issues with kat's posts and discussing those? which is easier to do as a wolf (because you can replicate villagery nuance and depth of thought processes without actually having more drawn-out/grounded opinions/processes)

nah i don't think cape is lock wolf, but i do think whether or not cape is a wolf (and especially if so) then it behooves wolves to push back against town gelling further than it is, especially in this small of a game where every person who posts themselves consensus v makes a huge difference

and me/visor are good targets for that, especially if you approach it in a non-granular way and just be like huh does anyone else feel like we're reading these people v more than we should vs actually going out there with concrete reasons

i'm not saying that that's an inherently wolfy thing to do, because making sure people aren't getting cleared for no good reason is a good and productive thing to do as a villager as well, i just didn't love the timing of it vis a vis general sentiment towards cape and then going after specifically the trio of me/katze/visor here

[katze]

Vote:Katze

i dont understand this post

time to execute you

(i am laughing at you/winston having opposite reactions to that post)

[Winston Hughes]

vote: visor

the student has become the etcetera

[nebjiamn]

Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)
the foreign language tell

gottem

[Cape90]

insomnia is very obviously town but I stg if they get away with lunching katze this game town deserve to lose

But their whole post about katze not having a real reason to sus Achro was really towny (i lost the link though cuz i accidentally closed tab)

[ladd]

vote: ladd

I don't like the direction of the thread, and ladd feels like the one leading it. And following along on phone and see what they do? As if you are not in danger? Excuse me? Did you think calling me a villager would grant you some sort of clemency? Now is the fun.

Sadly i cant post gifs from phone

[Winston Hughes]

i am cackling like a maniac

[SilverKeith]

i dont understand this post

time to execute you

(i am laughing at you/winston having opposite reactions to that post)

It's a "Katze wouldn't do me like this if they were v" read.

[Achro]

Sadly i cant post gifs from phone

I understand. I am sorry for this sudden betrayal but your thread pull today has been unreasonable imo. I need to see you bleed in real time to see if you bleed town or wolf. I apologize.

[Cape90]

Why Visor?

Achro is playing an Achro start. It could be wolfy but I think people are overstating its wolfiness.

this post is kinda wolfy

[katze]

It's a "Katze wouldn't do me like this if they were v" read.

ok now i cant tell how serious you are but im still laughing at it

[nebjiamn]

Sadly i cant post gifs from phone
i gotchu
Achro

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=7811

[ladd]

i gotchu
Achro

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=7811

Thx

[Cape90]

i dont think I'm wrong in saying we don't tend to read each other well, particularly in early game. I also don't think I'm wrong to say we clash rather often.

I think you took the opportunity to sheep someone who you think reads me better and vote me

you know what

you are town

congrats i hope im reading you right for once