13er summer game thread

[Visor]

How are you believing the most obvious fake peek of all time good lord

I am actually a pr, would prefer not to claim (for obvious reasons if you knew my claim, but alas, I will if I have to).

I can also prove it, if given the time

[Cuthillius]

How are you believing the most obvious fake peek of all time good lord

I am actually a pr, would prefer not to claim (for obvious reasons if you knew my claim, but alas, I will if I have to).

I can also prove it, if given the time

town poisoner?

[Winston Hughes]

town poisoner?

:laugh4:

[Visor]

town poisoner?

Nah whoever or what alignment the poisoner is that's someone else

I am a vigilante

Yes I holstered n1, I wanted to let D2 play out before I made a shot, just thought the information would be helpful

[Cuthillius]

huh

a lot of kp in this 13er it seems

[katze]

i believe you

vote: sleep

i want him to have the time
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[dyachei]

vote: sk

[Cuthillius]

i believe you

vote: sleep

i want him to have the time
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heck's sake you keep getting me with these jokes

seriously though ender needs to say more words before we ever even think about risking just giving wolves a free shot

[katze]

heck's sake you keep getting me with these jokes

seriously though ender needs to say more words before we ever even think about risking just giving wolves a free shot

i mean if ender is a wolf faking a red why is he gonna fake it on someone who already had rly high odds of dying...?

idk it seems kinda pointless unless like, exactly the world where he was rolecopped as a vig happened, and if that happened then uh

well ok lets be honest visor shoots n1 lol

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[Cuthillius]

i mean if ender is a wolf faking a red why is he gonna fake it on someone who already had rly high odds of dying...?

idk it seems kinda pointless unless like, exactly the world where he was rolecopped as a vig happened, and if that happened then uh

well ok lets be honest visor shoots n1 lol

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i'd expect it to be a nerfed investigative role (tracker or something idk) rather than an explicit cop peek that he just repped as cop peek to hide actual info, and if it is that could actually clarify things without making the situation any worse rn

if visor w he is like a night 2 vig or something like that, otherwise he shoots n1 ~always i assume

unless it's like some random joat situation? but eh even then kp is big deal

[Visor]

The reason I didn't shoot n1 is the other side of the coin from my poisoning Robyn in the last game, I wanted to make a shot I was comfortable with in a small game given little room to move, and I didn't feel comfortable making a shot n1

There is obviously never going to be a wolf vig in a 13er, C'mon now

[Cuthillius]

dya talk to me?

[dyachei]

dya talk to me?

idk how many posts I have and Idk what to do with the claim. Usually when there are 2 competing claims i let them take care of themselves overnight

[katze]

and if ender is a wolf poisoned then the poisoner is almost certianly a town poisoner and town poisoner + town vig in a 13er is like

lol

i could maybe maybe maybe see a 1 shot vig and 1 shot poisoner in a 13er and if i randed 1 shot vig id maybe not shoot n1 but his claim does not sound like a 1 shot vig claim "made *a* shot", "i holstered"


okay thats a lie i skimmed some of katzes and achros posts

90%

80% on a bad day


and like idk if i have a gun i can shoot n1 im probs doing more than this but thats not rly a smoking gun



heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

[...]

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

but clearly v!visor would have scumread him enough to say that

like i realistically can see some of these things coming from a villa but none of it rly adds up to me and its easier to just say hes catting and laugh if wrong

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[Cuthillius]

vote: visor

short of ender straight up faking it

[Cuthillius]

i did not complete my thought

i think there are very few fringe worlds where visor's ever v

like maybe some weird pr interaction bs but even then it just doesn't seem probable

[EnderWiggin]

Hmmm.

I don't have a hard guilty on Visor. (I'm an investigative role not a cop, as someone correctly guessed.) I'm trying to work out if he's actually town or if he's wolf kp trying to get one more night.

[katze]

expand

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[EnderWiggin]

expand

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I'm a motion detector.

[Cuthillius]

oh so he's just a wolf

if he said he holstered but you saw him moving

lmao

gutsy fake though, props for that

[EnderWiggin]

oh so he's just a wolf

if he said he holstered but you saw him moving

lmao

gutsy fake though, props for that

Any MD game you gotta be wary of wolves have a firefighter.

[EnderWiggin]

Also another PR doing something to Visor also creates motion.

[EnderWiggin]

Like I wanna believe I pinned a wolf but I also might not have.

[Cuthillius]

Any MD game you gotta be wary of wolves have a firefighter.

a firefighter?

[EnderWiggin]

a firefighter?

Wolf role I've seen Rask use before.

They visit a target and do nothing. But it creates motion at the target for MD.

[katze]

I'm a motion detector.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. kinda wish you said something sooner but lets THINK

v!visor = visited by a player of either alignment

w!visor = visited a player for some reason or was visited by a player, probably a villager

im kinda assuming that they werent visited by a villager personally but we know where the poisoner landed and the factional kill and he claimed a role that would not have visited so

if visor visited then hes outed af

i dont rly trust the vig claim anyway but

if i look at it objectively, and assume the poisoner is a villager (im not convinced a town poisoner would target the guy who claimed PR at eod but) then we can assume wolves have some sort of PR

id wager rolecop/roleblock (or JK)

could be missing some possibilities but those seem like the two most likely candidates. could be a different investigative role but the target pools for wolf investigation roles are usually the same bar watcher

so like. ok does visor ever get roleblocked last night. probably not id imagine the roleblock would land on the gyu who claimed PR if ur not killing him, or if ur poisoning him (rb+poisoner feels like a weird combo) but since we know it didnt then we would have to assume if a RBer exists there was a very good reason for it to target outside of ender. i don't really THINK that reason exists its not IMPOSSIBLE for the wolves to think he was a PR i guesssssss but it feels really unlikely unless i open his iso and i feel like it screams PR which i am too lazy to do rn

a rolecop otoh could rly land anywhere. i actually do believe that if the wolves have a rolecop theres decent odds it targeted visor because i think that world would be one where ender is a wolf trying to bring visor down with him. but if we assume ender is town then like... hm. i mean its kinda hard to guess where that lands. i think its possible i guess. presumably they dont rolecop the pr claim or ladd and if theres 3 wolves then that leaves like 8 people. i think i get rolecopped pretty often in my games but really thats anecdotal so objectively if i wanted to be super generous i could say this has like a 20% chance of happning which is almost certainly above the realistic odds of this happening

i refreshed and saw mention of the possibility of a wolf firefighter/visitor, which. meh, i feel like it doesnt REALLY fit here but maybe rask was inspired by champs. reasonably... well lets use the same logic as abve, doesnt target the PR claim or ladd, doesnt target a wolf. 8 names. possibility for overlap here but lets assume there's none, i dont think a role like that lands on benneh/cuth/taffy gun to head. maybe a few other names, mostly thinking it doesnt land on someone whos kinda consensus villager and doesnt likely get investigated. i could see it landing on visor i guess. i dont know how likely id put it. a pure 1/5 would be another 20% and... idk i guess that feels reasonableish.

i do think it's likely wolves have some sort of PR, maaaybe 2.




as for the other side of the point

if we assume visor is mafia, what are the odds of him doing the factional kill? i can see it happening over like... insom SK pretty easily. i soulread achro as not wanting to carry it. ladd ender obv out of the question. same as myself but i also probably wouldnt want to carry it anyway because #THEFEAR :curtain:

mmmm idk. pure numbers its 1/3. i dont know if id say visor was in a terrible position to carry a kill last night nor would i say he was in an amazing one. this is pretty hard to really judge just because the mentality of the wolf team is hella hard to guess on day 2 with no wolves dead lmao


theres also the possivblity visor himself visited. which. is outing given his claim






uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk id probably still kill him i dont trust the claim and i dont super feel like he gets visited by a wolf last night but if it happened then lolMD or ender is dying at eod anyway

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[insomnia]

the likelihood is that he’s just a wolf imo

[insomnia]

if it isn’t obvious to anybody else then you can ask and i’ll try to explain

[katze]

you can tell im neurodivergent because i went into that post knowing i would end it saying "i dont believe the claim lol we should still kill him" then still wrote like four paragraphs

i amuse myself

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[SilverKeith]

I'll get home in like an hour which is conveniently eod

I'm caught up, re:visor I think he's a wolf but mechanically speaking I think there's merit in letting him live. That said if we let him live here y'all are prolly lunching me so I'm going to pretend I'm fully confident in visor being a wolf from now on

[EnderWiggin]

Someone needs to say Cap has lifted so Achro can throw down the wall he's preparing in wolfchat.

[SilverKeith]

Katze asked me a q and the tldr is that I made an imaginary line between "every move is methodically calculated and every step carefully measured, every word has a meaning in my master plan" type of wolves and "push villas be loud be wrong with confidence don't give a fuck further wincon while looking villagery" type of wolves. I think dya push on me falls on the second category but I think they are the first type of wolf. I think benneh can play the second type. Not sure about cuth, prolly first type

[EnderWiggin]

Oh wait I reread and still 30m until postcap lifts. I blame just waking up

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


Visor(6): Achro, SK, insom, Ender, Taffy, cuth
SK(2): Visor, Dya
katze(2): Benneh, WH


sleep(1): katze

[Raskolnikov]

Someone needs to say Cap has lifted so Achro can throw down the wall he's preparing in wolfchat.

Cap has lifted
Achro katze @allspammers

[katze]

Oh wait I reread and still 30m until postcap lifts. I blame just waking up

oh i thought you were fucking with them lmao

and SK i see. i... get it, actually. i might even agree with the conclusions

achro is probably reading this thinking you're an obvious villager for saying it






BUT HES NOT HERE SO LMAO UR SOOOOOOO WOLFY

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love u

[Raskolnikov]

EOD in 1h32 minutes roughly.

[Visor]

Okay this is beginning to get annoying

First: it Is entirely possible that I was visited by members of both alignments. It is entirely possible I was roleblocked or rolecopped or whatever else from wolves (especially if the reads I had that were against the grain were correct!), it is also possible for villagers to have targeted me with particular powers too (I could see a villager targeting me with a rb for some reason).

Then we come to the matter of the poisoning of ender. If you believe ender to be a villager, then you should believe the poisoner to be a wolf because HE CLAIMED PR AT EOD. WHY WOULD A VILLAGE POISONER POISON A CLAIMED PR. If you then understand that the poisoner is likely a wolf, you should be able to come to the correct conclusion that I have to be a villager.
Yes, I did express a ‘strong’ read against achro sod2, I did consider shooting him n1, but I thought I should wait and see what d2 brings, because I am not the player I once was who put in a lot of effort into games, so when I make a game warping shot in a 13er, I want to have confidence that its not going to backfire horribly, so I came in.

Seeing motion in my vicinity is not some stupid goddamn slam dunk, and its besides the point when I can actively prove my ability tonight.
Just because you/others would have played this role a certain way, don’t fucking project your shit onto me. I made a bad decision in the last game I played here and I wanted to make up for it in this game.

This Is a closed game, wolves are almost certain to have multiple prs, especially if we have a motion detector (it seems reasonable for a rask game) and a vig.

“and if ender is a wolf poisoned then the poisoner is almost certianly a town poisoner and town poisoner + town vig in a 13er is like”

If ender is a wolf poisoned, he doesn’t claim fucking MD to get the person who already had a high chance of dying dead. Hes a villager who has an actual result on me who thought I might be a wolf. Hes a villager, who IMO, was likely poisoned by a wolf poisoner, given the fact he claimed PR outright and this isn’t some inactive game where people wouldn’t see it. It was a deliberate decision.

(on a side note, I think the straight forward kills of ladd/poisoning ender speak towards achro being a wolf but that’s neither here nor there)
I can understand being hesitant to let someone you cant get a good read on live who is repping kp, but frankly, ive been heavily scumread all my recent towngames so perhaps yall should adjust your expectations around my play accordingly, I feel like if I take a game easy on d1 its just immediate oh he isn’t showing joie de vivre, therefore he has to be a wolf, as if its some lazy tell you can just magic into existence.
I don’t really like pointing to meta as a defence, but part of the reason I won my last wolf game here was that I played it very smoothly, didn’t give any real jagged edges for people to latch onto, like I do when I play my dgaf village game. You can see it when I get heat, I change my mind from post to post, I don’t play in a typical a-b-c village game because even though that is the best for being village read, its really bloody boring and ive never really cared about being village read as a villager (except sometimes as pr :P)

For the most part it is hard to parse the responses to the claimed motion – most people as wolves will double down on it because its an easy kill that gives them no blame, and as villagers it plays into our sense of confirmation bias that oh we were right to notice that niggling thing that we never mentioned – “he always seemed a little off/strange… etc”

For the most part I am waiting to see what benneh says when he comes back, i think he is probably going to be the most even keel if he is a villager.

Surprisingly don’t like cuths reaction, cuth seems to me to be someone who would be considering every angle, so having lost the guaranteed red peek on me, clutching to it and not considering well maybe it could be something else, just something that stands out.

Don’t know what to make of katzes wall considering the possibilities of me being a villager mismotioned, seems a little like busy work but ymmv.

Full disclosure, I am a full vig, no restrictions. No 1 shot or anything.
Honestly ender, I think you should’ve been able to get there on me idk, I don’t think I played anything like that wolf game you referenced earlier, I think people just see low energy and think well has to be a wolf.
Don’t know if I have anything else to say at the moment, but seeing people say nonsense while not able to post is tilting the fuck out of me so im just writing my MAD down here . :P

Taffy is definitely not getting their hands dirty in this fight fwiw – if you look at their post about me/ender earlier its just very…. Middle of the read well if enders fake we kill him, no actual thinking about the situation or what it could mean, just a commentary on what potential action we might take down the line.
Might as well elaborate on the ladd kill re achro – if I was a wolf id probably not kill ladd n1 (well, I definitely didn’t last time lol), simply because it is extremely boring to me and wolfing against good players is part of the fun to me. Killing ladd is unfortunately likely to happen from most of you so it isn’t really a good point but when I wolfed with achro, he was a proponent of keeping it simple in that regard, and the killing of ladd and poisoning of ender just feels like an achro type of kill, poison the claimed pr, kill ladd, deal with he rest. It’s a perfectly valid way of playing and honestly could happen from anyone, but ladd did lead a kill on a villager d1, leading to some others possibly being willing to let him live, get heat, be wrong etc. but some wolf players believe you don’t give a good player multiple chances and I think achro is someone like that who would kill ladd and not think twice because that’s just the way you do it. My 2c.


raskol said the cap has lifted so im posting, you can enjoy my slander for the next hour and ahhalf

[nebjiamn]

well, that was annoying to read

i blocked/saved visor last night

im jk

[Visor]

tldr

[katze]

well then




for the record visor i thought if the poisoner was a wolf then you were even more likely to be lying but i dont remember why

[Visor]

well, that was annoying to read

i blocked/saved visor last night

im jk

lmao turns out i wouldnt have been able to shoot anyway

[Visor]

well then




for the record visor i thought if the poisoner was a wolf then you were even more likely to be lying but i dont remember why

that doesnt make any sense lol

[Achro]

D-dobby is free?

One moment, finishing dinner.

[katze]

that doesnt make any sense lol

i had a reason for it and it made sense to me but i deadass do not remember it.

this sounds like a lie and i feel like in most games i would lie about this but i am 100% srs rn lol

[katze]

also yes that post was kinda busy work because idk

this is a situation alright

benneh why did u target visor?

[Achro]

Anyway I have reached peak fish/nerd. Enjoy the appetizer.

Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen is one of my favorite characters in fiction, and is a bit of my motif over on FOL these days as a whimsical and skilled individual. He is, one could say, a mood. Anyway let's briefly discuss his Domain Expansion, more or less his ultimate technique.


Unlimited Void

This Domain Expansion brings the user and their targets inside the Limitless itself, a vast void of infinite knowledge. Boundless raw information floods into the target's mind, overwhelming them to the point where they're completely immobilized. Alongside Self-Embodiment of Perfection, Nanami called Unlimited Void an almost-guaranteed win once it ensnares its target


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(click it)

Poor cool, and a neat visual too. Anyway this got me thinking earlier today. A vast void of infinite knowledge. Boundless information floods into the target's mind. Sounds cool. I'm not an anime character, but I might have something that will do the trick in winning this game for town. I am after all, just a fish. A magikarp swimming along doing its best. My new title on MU is 'The Fish of Town Justice', a play on 'Fist of Justice.' I thought it sounded cool.

Sooo... I have a google document open with a 3/3 solve for this game that I am confident in unless someone has been particularly ridiculous as a wolf, and if you are not one of those 3 names you leave me impressed. It is fortified by both the suspicious behavior from a game state perspective, but also between the three wolf suspects as well. Not only that, but assuming Visor flips wolf (which even without the now MD motion, I assumed it was incredibly likely socially) I believe I have found a massive amount of unpairing behavior with the other six would-be suspects on my list. If he is town, well, I guess that would just be bad luck for me, huh. I will be happy if I'm right though, as I am the first person this game to propose this exact solve (and I would know, I looked over every post in the game that featured the word 'Visor')

Anyway, the word count on the doc is 12,664.

I feel like it's better to real time with my friends and foes alike at this time. I'll just make sure to post that document before EOD at 8pm so everyone can enjoy it overnight. If I am horribly skill issued on the game the wolves I don't name can laugh at me for an entire night. The price you pay for going above and beyond only to be wrong. Such is the life of a fish like me. Karp.

EnderWiggin yo, would you mind as the dying town PR give me your endorsement for King tomorrow? I will name who is to die, and if that person is town I in turn die the next day. If they are a wolf, I get a chance to name the third. If THAT person is also not a wolf, I die the next day.

This should clear up any need to be paranoid of me as I can never end game, and at worse if I am an evil wolf devising some ridiculous plan I am agreeing to a 1 for 1, which is hardly beneficial to me especially if Visor is a wolf and especially given who will be my first name tomorrow if this is allowed because I think a lot of people I strongly town read have found this name on the tips of their tongues today.

All that being said...

sup?

[nebjiamn]

thta was a joke fwiw

not really sure what to do with the claims now that ender's clarified as md tbh

[Visor]

i had a reason for it and it made sense to me but i deadass do not remember it.

this sounds like a lie and i feel like in most games i would lie about this but i am 100% srs rn lol

lol.

lmao, even.

[nebjiamn]

also yes that post was kinda busy work because idk

this is a situation alright

benneh why did u target visor?

im reformed sorry

[katze]

i hope visor is real and we yeet him anyways so he can see that i wrote like a billion words just to be wrong in the end

[Visor]

thta was a joke fwiw

not really sure what to do with the claims now that ender's clarified as md tbh

LET

ME LIVE

goddamnit.

the one goddamn time i rand vig and try to play it safe i get this nonsense happening

the poisoner is a friggin wolf, which should be obvious given they posioned claimed pr ender

SO I AM A VILLAGER.

[katze]

alright ill come clean, im actually the real town vig. i targeted visor n1 which is why there was motion

[Achro]

am I the only one who saw Winston literally claim the poison early in the day? Was this a joke that I missed? Is Winston known for such jokes? They felt serious. Weird.

[Visor]

alright ill come clean, im actually the real town vig. i targeted visor n1 which is why there was motion

actually im a motion detector and i detected motion at raskols mums house

[nebjiamn]

LET

ME LIVE

goddamnit.

the one goddamn time i rand vig and try to play it safe i get this nonsense happening

the poisoner is a friggin wolf, which should be obvious given they posioned claimed pr ender

SO I AM A VILLAGER.
who do you wanna kill

[katze]

actually im a motion detector and i detected motion at raskols mums house

shit guys hes real, i was at her house...

(achro i saw it, i am not sure what to think of it and have been mostly ignoring it)

[Visor]

who do you wanna kill

ACHRO

though truth be told i will read the thread like twice before making a decision

BUT ACHRO

[Achro]

hoho, I bet you do want to kill me.

[Totally not Taffy]

Ok so the reason I don't like Achro's Visor case (and thanks to Raskolnikov for the extenstion, this took a while):



This is fairThis is a reply to insomnia about 20 minutes before eod. For the record by this point I believe I had gone to make dinner so my only post after this was the very end. So here he says insomnia's take on cape's wolfiness is fair.


you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

i also think a player like achro prob shouldve recognised cape wasnt acting in a way that wolves do when they are going down on d1

i mean, i picked up on it and i wolfread cape earlier so i dont get it

in hindsight i wish i uh said something instead of just pushing cuth instead but yolo (also i blame ladd :curtain:)



The multi quote on this site sucks. Anyway Visor is lock scum first off katze

vote: visor

Anyway earlier Visor voted me because I did nothing to stop the cape kill ans he expected me to do more. Cape was an obvious villager at eod. He expected me to see that. but here he told insomnia that his take was fair. Visor has an agenda, isn't actually interested in solving, is a proven liar because he had a chance above to push back but chose not to, and either has a much higher opinion of my town game than insomnia's and if so can you please explain that to insomnia I am sure he will be insulted, or this is just an agenda push from a wolf.

I changed my mind sk isn't with insomnia and is probably town based on how he was fighting hard to stop the Cape kill but was also OK with the flip generally (where I was at too)

Insomnia is probably scum. Reinforced the gamestate of 'yeah like ladd said I think cape is wolfy' and then said if there's a tough wolf it's katze' so from your pov katze he did nothing but push town all day 1 and in a way that fits my model of the team. I will have to go back and check again but the conversation around cape eod feels like a partner wanting to say something to a partner but I might be biased since I thought insomnia was scum. But he for sure hard wolf sided day 1 and planned to do so in future days if katze is town so keep in mind.

Okay that's one wolf.

That first quote is the end of this conversation:


think im good with voting cape still, i took a look back and checked

still feel the same way about his reads. even in this position he doesn't seem to have a strong reason for a wolf read

he's voted 2 people on the basis of "i feel you are a wolf"
and why does that make him a wolf
he has the best view of the game and is struggling to make a case for a wolf

he's just posting at this EoD to live in my eyes /shrug. most of his heat and passion comes in the form of asking questions in the form meant of shade, yet his votes don't come with any of that
This is fair

Votes are changing around a lot, Insomnia reasserts his Cape vote, gets questioned for it, explains, and Visor comments that this is fair reasoning. Yes, it's subtly encouraging the misyeet. But it is not such a great contradiction as you make it out to be given how EoD proceded after that. In the spoiler are all posts from both you and Visor from the last half hour of the day:


Katze (3): ender, SK, Winston
Sk(3): Dya, katze, cuth
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
ladd(1): achro
Achro(1): Taffy
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Cape

Not voting (0):






My kill order from that list is ladd > cape > katze fyi
i thought cape was town?do you even read my posts.
im getting the feeling i accidentally skipped one or did not fully digest your wallpost."if I think cape is town it means he is scum"

As is Achro tradition.

(Cape would be an info chop based off movement around them today)

Continuation of a conversation with Katze. There is no reason to think this is an attempt to stop a Cape elimination, to the contrary.


Ender was vibing with me heavily on several town reads which unless I am heavily skill issue'd usually indicates town in my experience.

He could be playing around me though, I suppose. I don't think he'd bother.

This is a comment on the ongoing conversation about Benneh's Ender vote.



vote: benneh

stop trying to kill my town reads tbh

This comes after two other people (Winston, Cuthelius) voted Benneh






Ender was vibing with me heavily on several town reads which unless I am heavily skill issue'd usually indicates town in my experience.

He could be playing around me though, I suppose. I don't think he'd bother.Or it could literally just be a coincidence since he only had 3 v reads and one was youthe other two were taffy and someone else, I didnt care about me lol

"Several town reads" = Taffy and someone else I don't remember



im a cop
no you aren't.




i dont have a village perspective from that game but i am like... really not feeling a ladd vote. but maybe im pocketed. i can be wrong. you were all there tho, i think your perspectives might hold valueI am not a wagon and i am not going over lolno but you might be shot tonight.

Two posts just going along with the general banter that's going on.


I was fine with taffy's vote on me - more than fine, really, I liked it - but I just realized that has been on me all day now. Kinda lazy. Dont know their meta tho.

Checking if I could be wagoned mere minutes after I'm the only memorable town read from the mindmeld with Ender



vote: ladd

now ladd is a wagon so my question makes more sense

hehevote: ladd

now he is the lead wagon.

Katze's vote is clearly not serious here, and apparently Achro's "stop killing my town reads" vote on Benneh wasn't either. But to be fair he did say he preferred a Ladd yeet so this makes sense.


I am going to make dinner, have fun at end of day and if you kill me it was fun playing with everyone again.




cape, how come katze is such an obv villager now? last time i checked you were conflicted
Insom is a wolf for this post.

No real reason I just felt like this is the kind of things wolves would be asking at eod.vote: insomnia

sheeping SK

okay now I am gone

(my spider sense agrees)

And now Ladd and Insomnia are both forgotten. Also I'm confbiasing this "spider sense" as tmi.


This is fair

This is actually Visor's first post during the last half hour, I quoted the full convo higher up. Definitely not doing anything to stop the Cape yeet.



I will say one thing

Visor sussing me is Visor all rightLol what is this, I have both townread and scumread you in games

Get your selective memory outta here

Cape apparently not obvtown yet.




I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)

Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms

Like a wolf working the elbow grease
what exactly do you mean here?Just a string of posts that had the feeling of a wolf putting in work

I didn't really like the way the posts were constructed, they felt well... Constructed rather than a natural free flowing thing that I normally get from villa cuth

But he seems more interested in Cuthelius atm.



Nevermind this is wolfier.

vote: insomniaI
I am regretting townreadjnf you earlier I think

Changing his mind on Ender being town. Also note who Ender's voting here.



i feel like cuths posts always lok constructed because he uses words that no human on earth knows exists and also makes minecraft villager noises and i think sometimes words in other languages or just gibberish im not rly sure

this is to say i feel like hes always free flowing and also crafting his posts simultaneouslyNo ofc he does that

That's not the point

It's the way his thoughts flow on the page


Damn raskol is Wolfy he's only posted tallies

:curtain:


We could always kill achro


(this is the point where Cape first posts his case against Ladd)


Time to CFD Ladd again ofc


vote: ladd

Let's do it Winston :curtain:

Tries to start a flash wagon on the main voter for Cape, and the person you originally said you preferred.


(Ender claims, Cuthilius moves from Ender to Visor)



vote: cuth


lame day tbh

glgl

And either you made it back just in time to comment or you were here the entire time without pushing your preferred counterwagon or speaking up for Cape. Point is, Visor's comment about you not doing anything to save Cape would've been justified if coming from town!Visor.

Now of course we know that Visor's a wolf, so I'm not arguing that he's not, I'm arguing that Achro might still be a wolf for making the case and/or Insomnia for accepting it as convincing.

[Achro]

nah, you just don't understand my thinking process. It's chill though, you're like an IC after my re-read even more Taffy, but don't worry about it.

[Visor]

im not a bloody wolf taffy smdh

[nebjiamn]

am I the only one who saw Winston literally claim the poison early in the day? Was this a joke that I missed? Is Winston known for such jokes? They felt serious. Weird.
i dont think thats a thing that happened my friend

[Raskolnikov]

actually im a motion detector and i detected motion at raskols mums house

It was Ender.

For legal purpose this is a running gag since Sunbae's first game here. Don't read into it.

[nebjiamn]

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

:shame:
is this the post you're talking about achro?

[Achro]

i dont think thats a thing that happened my friend


I have a terrible confession to make...

:sweatdrop:


Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

:shame:

You thanked the second post.

[Achro]

It could not be the case I suppose, but terrible confession is usually...well, you murdered someone lol

I guess I could be mistaken

[nebjiamn]

It was Ender.

For legal purpose this is a running gag since Sunbae's first game here. Don't read into it.
modspew that visor detected raskol and ender's moms house

[katze]

I have a terrible confession to make...

:sweatdrop:


Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

:shame:


So, accepting that I'm even more of a dunce than Cuth, could you please explain this in terms that even I can follow?
Winston Hughes

hello friend

i have a redcheck on you

how do you plea

(quotes unrelated)

[Achro]

what's your current solve, benneh? I've been a bit out of it.

[nebjiamn]

You thanked the second post.
i think that was Winston explaining why he voted Ender for EOD1

that is how i took it

inb4 winston clarifies that he saw someone at my mom's house

[Achro]

i think that was Winston explaining why he voted Ender for EOD1

that is how i took it

inb4 winston clarifies that he saw someone at my mom's house

Maybe so, and in that case fair enough. That's how I saw it. But good news I think they are town anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

I didn't check Visor at all ftr.

I just thought it was the best social fake guilty to make.

Unvote

Taffy had no motion (paranoia check)

I think Katze treated the fake the worst but idk.

Also Visor's initial reaction was bad but I can kinda see it from a PR

[katze]

sighs loudly

[Achro]

sigh, Ender I would have made my post look better if I knew it was needed now gfc.

[Visor]

I didn't check Visor at all ftr.

I just thought it was the best social fake guilty to make.

Unvote

Taffy had no motion (paranoia check)

I think Katze treated the fake the worst but idk.

Also Visor's initial reaction was bad but I can kinda see it from a PR

oh my god i fucking claimed for nothing i am going to punt you into the sun

[katze]

i hope ur a wolf lol

christ man i told you to claim at the 24 hour mark at the latest

[EnderWiggin]

i hope ur a wolf lol

christ man i told you to claim at the 24 hour mark at the latest

24 hour mark claims get less hard traction in terms of serious reactions.

[katze]

more thrilling developments in the 13er summer game thread

[Achro]

Anyway, I'm king for the day. If I am wrong, I'll eat the loss for town.

Team is Visor/Benneh/Dya. Have fun.

First off, sorry for being so dramatic at points today. I am still growing emotionally after some tough things in my life and although I am proud of my progress, and I certainly have done worse unfortunately, it wasn't in the spirit of a chill game. Sorry about that! I hope you enjoy your night reading, and maybe you will agree with my conclusions or think of good discussion points for day 3! Also please forgive any typos, I have tried to rectify them once I got to my computer but all of this was originally typed on my phone.

Also normally I provide music for my long posts, but this is an overnight reading assignment, but it is a lot to dig through so I’d suggest you set aside some time, if that’s your thing.



Possible visor links time. Beginning fresh with w!visor and v!ender. Also apparently Winston wasn't claiming poison or I am the only one who reads so I guess my bad there lol. Maybe it was a joke I didn't understand
Also now to add to my assumptions about the wolf team. They were fine pushing along the narrative of cape day 1 to kill ladd and visor was content to waste the day on me. Seeing how others interact with his suspicion on me could prove enlightening as I am usually good at detecting bullshit.

You know what is great about post capping early? In exchange for thread control I get to focus my thoughts while jamming to music throughout the day as I do other things. Time to see if I can do the trick I have done a few times this year and just ruin the wolf team's day on one post. Attack me, will you? You think I would settle for only one pelt? NAIVE! Normally this is where I would try to sound cool and edgy but tbh? You are about to be owned by a fucking fish, friends. This is what peak magikarp performance looks like.

Karp. Karp. Magikarp.

Anyway ctrl + f visor gogo


damn this post made me half convinced zack was actually playing and it stuck in my brain and i had to check to make sure

sad

Maybe cute wolf theater



Last game (and I think that's his only game here?) Achro made 336 posts over 5 days, for an average of ~67, which is close enough to 50 not to have to panic at the thought of a 50 postcap, so yes, scumpoints deserved.

Vote: Achro

Taffy is like always town for following up visors vote on me with good faith (if a bit slanted) research. Least surprising town read of my life.




Because Visor was the first to vote Achro. Do you think he was serious, or that he was just voting to see what would happen?





I think Ladd was talking about this exchange:



Dyachei was only the second to decline to participate.



Just to make it more obvious how town Taffy is lol. I will say though that I find Taffy impossible to solve with if they can't see how horrible visors inconsistency was. I took two posts to illustrate but if they took the time to read through visor the post from day 2 was one of several he made along these lines that made it blatant that he was full of it. From 'I wish I had said something' to his mind bending rationale that I did 'nothing' to save cape when I was on several counter wagons and spoke up throughout the day how the game state felt bad. I apologize profusely Taffy but I just don't think you are on my level as a solver (as in, on the same floor not that i need to be above or below you. Different. I thought to clarify this because it sounded like i was downgrading you) that's your take from visors posts about me today that they aren't outing. Like I think you are clearly town, kill me if you must tomorrow since we will have breathing room I don't take suspicion personally I am a fantastic wolf, but this in particular makes me think you are just unable to perceive the game like I do and I know this will be taken badly but like. I don't mean it in a bad way I have my faults when I solve too. We are just too different to work well together solving. I am sorry if you can't find me but I understand first time achromatic experiencers do tend to have trouble with my thinking hopefully we can work better together in the future.


Oh I see. This is nai I think for Kat's range as both alignments so nothing much to say about that one.

Hello visor you have shown no problem sussing me early as wolf to get me to think you are being genuine. What's up


What a great early game read by me lol. I remembered visor susing me early before and I was like 'I remember this story before'


I don't think I am going to re evaluate Taffy until lylo at the minimum tbh.

Because it takes a type of wolf to not only go through my last game here to calculate my posts, but then to not even stop to consider what my rand was in that game and how it had nothing to do with solving. It feels like the essence of 'hah, I caught you in your LIES wolf'

Although I will confess even though I don't know how to solve with a mere 50 posts what I left unsaid is that I am willing to learn. My opening as per tradition didn't really matter it was just another way to avoid the drivel that is rvs and get people into the swing of things.

Thread control is a common way of discussing how people interact with the thread. I don't really need control although as long as I set the pace of things and wolves are dancing to my beat. Which they are for now. Who knows if I will catch one, but the thread seems fun to me.

Anyway

Taffy
Insomnia
Ender
Dya

Towny to kinda towny

Still processing please hold
Katze

A little tiny bit wolfy
Ladd
Visor

(I think puffing out your wolf game is slightly towny. Downplaying slightly wolfy. Visor has shown he doesn't mind suspecting me early as wolf so I know this fits his wolf profile so I need positive answers for why he voted for me rather than assuming the best in people like I often do since it's math accurate)



'I am good at reading into people voting for me' is not an empty boast. I know for a bit day 1 I was like 'well I mean he hasn't done much maybe it is town' but I changed that read by eod so I am still good lol.



i don't get the cape... resignment? seems ~fine and basically a guess atp

ladd my strongest tr. i kinda wanted to yolo visor v earlier but now it seems a bit blaze to do but i'll prob just ride it anyway.

katze seems better but i'm going to keep voting them so i don't look silly when they flip w

cuth seems good too



Yolo visor v but idk feels potentially partnered


i am choosing to not answer this

any inconveniences this may cause you may be forwarded to visor



Note I did in fact forward it to visor. Ty.



Visor if cape were to reveal as an innocent child what would your preferred vote be?



yep



Kind of a nothing question to visor




vote: cape

I don't think anyone else really stands out

Dyas posting hasn't kicked on but I'm fine with that for now

Cuth seems okay for now

Nothing really moving the needle re ladd or benneh



I feel like this post has a second scum on it. Based off nothing admittedly. Will keep an eye out for cuth/dya/benneh things


Achro/dya/cape wilves GG :curtain:


I could see dya being a wolf here. Visor was never afraid of a little distancing. But it's contrary to my game read of dya atm but I can reconsider that in light of visor being a wolf.


ye ngl, didn’t really get it

feels odd to reference anni and not just a general read there. particularly because idk what was different in anni, and if there was something different, then im pretty sure i didn’t open the same way in here


Doesn't feel very partnery on reply to visor hm



vote:visor

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak


I love cuth's wit tbh. Also feels unpartnered with visor


they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

Hmm.

Visor/dya/? Would fulfill my traditional 'I am wrong on one of my day 1 town leans' hmm yes.


i don't dig the taffy read. the way they questioned visor's vote on achro and then instantly piggybacked it with him deserving pressure because he can post enough as a wolf

maybe i didn't really understand their point about how many posts he had vs how many post caps we have here, but regardless of that, it just felt like a wolfy way to shoehorn in a vote after asking for why visor made it in the first place

otherwise i agree with most of ur reads


Attacking obvious town Taffy is noted.


pretty close to ladd's list. i'd drop taffy and maybe take you down a shade even tho i want to believe.

cape's pretty null and i kinda expected something similar to his last post regardless of his alignment so that didn't help

some slight wolf leans but really i want to see more posting from winston/ender/dya before i did into anything cause i don't wanna force the thread perspective onto anything before ppl are really settled in



Bad take on Taffy and a meaningless read of visor. 'I would take you down a shade' doesn't mean a thing. Rule of 3 on the last list if dya is wolf with benneh hmm yes.


Fair read, I like it



Nothing response to benneh. Felt no need to really impress benneh by like. Saying anything. Noted.

Shout out for cape wolf reading visor on gut here. And you monsters killed him for it smh Cape90 the GOAT.


you tried the corndogs didn't you



Benneh responds with a joke to a visor vote.


visor thinking I'm a wolf is probably whatever. i dont get what he didnt get about my insom read. And he didnt really ask me, which is kind of annoying



Surface level unpartnered but then ... why didn't dya ask visor what he didn't get. I have been asking people to explain things all day but dya just notes annoyance here and moves on. Hmm yes.


sup dya

what game u playin

any thoughts on what visor/insoms reads on you means for their alignment, if anything? or any general reads unrelated to reads on you


for the purpose of the above you can pretend im not voting you because i am not sure what im doing with my vote as of now

Towny question for katze to ask imo



I get what yall are saying about taffy

In my mind their thought process was: see player they respect in visor vote achro--> ask why-->check for themself on achro-->find the 50 post stuff (i agree the reasoning is not great but is it something a wolf would bother to think about?)-->vote achro-->ask people opinions on achro/visor cause in their mind either visor is right or he may be a wolf



I read it as something like this and it seemed okay but obv need more



~Everyone coming in with an achro wolf read. Isitmewhoiswrong.jpg


Nah its the children

ladd nope lol.


I always wolfread taffy (it's their own fault ofc, I'm innocent), so I'm gonna just let them do their own thing

Taffy is an innocent child etc etc


The phrasing just felt too explanatory


What does this even mean lol


i guess he ended up voting visor

idk, his outlook on some things are just weird to me /shrug. didn't like the post he had addressing you / katze ~at all


if i end up having something better by EoD, i'll swap



Idk this feels a bit unpartnered. 'He voted my wolf buddy idk kinda sus' is a post most wolves would hesitate to make.


Diablo 4. It's hard for me to find time to play with a toddler running around so I'm trying to finish the campaign in order to be able to play the seasons with others.

I do think taffy's vote kind of sucked but not really sure i want to vote there today. Idk, I don't know taffy well enough and it's still essentially very early game.

If I had to choose someone else to vote, I'd probably choose cape.


Dya pushing wolf agenda here. 'Yup let's all just kill cape who is voting a wolf rn oh btw taffy later though' didn't even answer the question about insomnia or visor either.



visor's read on me means nothing for his alignment katze

not sure about insom's tbh.

It... means nothing. I remember I read a post from dya some time ago where I said if ender is v it could be tmi of that from dya wolf. Now I am thinking this is likely the case.


(At this point my level 1 team is visor/dya/benneh but continuing still as it's early)


Ah yes the replies. I looked at that thread before but manually forgot about it since I only played once. Okay cool. Tbh not bad that I will only be capped for like an afternoon. But also not surprising that I will be capped lol.

Anyway 12 players let's see.

Town people in order of confidence roughly
Ender - like their world view a lot, feels chill and I can buy that they think self righteousness is a town tell for me generally (it is not it is mood dependent but this observation makes sense from the games he has played with me).

Taffy - I am. Fucking literal GOD at reading into votes on me being suspicious vs not and this slot is NEVER A WOLF. Phrased this way for maximum funny if wrong but until proven otherwise I trust my read on that because fr I am good at understanding thread position of myself.
Winston - good vibes. Like the katze sus because it felt solvey to me
Cuth - had a post I really liked earlier but I forget what now. But I will trust early Chris.
Ladd - chill vibes, like most of their thoughts we shall see if he leads us off a cliff.
Cape - god help me I think he is town at this point but not confident. Lots of talk about him being scummy tho so maybe a little thread spewed. Not sure not usually my type of read.
Insomnia - not much experience with this one but seems alright to start.


Not so towny 5

Katze - not feeling the MOJO but also willing to see what they come up with. Probably not bussing given reputation so if they bag a wolf today probably ok
Visor - I remember nothing
Neb - I remember nothing but felt compelled to put them here
Dya - starting to get bad vibes but nothing definite
Sk - see many posts above, but basically I don't think that wall post was wrll thought out and genuinely solving the game from an uninformed perspective. Felt like he was placing chess pieces instead of trying to form reads. Want to hear from him tho because it could be a simple misunderstanding on my end.

That's my legacy for now if I get capped.


Hmm yes. Perhaps a GOATed post by Achro.


i wouldn't have minded this so much until he just dropped the read on me later when he was grocery posting. initially it felt like he had a good reason to wolf read me and we'd see 'a case' and i'd have a better chance to read him off that but then he just let the read on me go.

i'm not really sold on his visor read either. visor could be a wolf but its prob not for a random shitpost linking cape with ahcro and ... dya? i think it was

Lmao this feels so partnered in my level 1 world. I don't think I am confbiased either tbh. 'And... dya?' Like it's not that hard to remember a one line post my guy lol.


like i know you said his vote on you doens't mean anything for his alignment but what about the rest of his (and i guess visor's since you said the same there) posts in general


dya what are your thoughts on ender?

Nothing post to dya really


Visor(1): Cape
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro

Not voting (1): Dyachei

Still posting from phone, sorry for the formatting.



Maybe I am flattering myself but I don't think aligned visor/katze both go into a chill game together thinking 'let's hard push achro out of the gate' lmao. Katze had been trying to be better to themselves lately. Joycat emoji here.

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk

Visor is visoring is such a nothing read at this stage tbh. Not beating the allegations.


hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh


I will say visor feels a little off and then do nothing at all about it or question visor in any meaningful way. Look at how town I am, said the wolf.


Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

this post made me very happy

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol



Cuth literally always v for this take down of my EGOTISTICAL AND INCORRECT take on visor. Cuth has a lot of town posts but this just feels super unpartnered to me in how it was presented.


Through page 4 visor/benneh/dya are not beating the allegations.

Ladd prompts benneh for a Visor read because he trusts benneh. Benneh last page something felt off. When asked by ladd..



i think he's v. its not a strong read but it doesn't feel like he's trying to push an agenda into the thread

like, i don't imagine a wolf visor halfway thru day being like "Welp, guess we're lunching cape cause i don't see anything better" regardless of cape's alignment. and then when asking me for more thoughts he just kinda accepts them but still gives ppl time to breathe. i feel like he'd force there to be more than one suspect on his radar atp


Ah. I see. A malfunctioning imagination, was it?


ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod



Feels like a town reads list at this stage. Visor was obviously doing odd things in hindsight and it has me as town so of course its a villager. (For legal purposes this is a joke)


spicy

can you talk to me about insom? i don't remember you mentioning him before



Benneh not asking about visor when this same page he said he was a villager lmao. Excuse me? Why would you, if town, NOT ask why someone is wolf reading someone you think is towny having not discussed it with them before?

(There Are No Good Answers Edition)


katze/visor/benneh?

Okay even assuming the poison claim sod was a joke this is town because I can EASILY see this team on this reread if not for specific experience with katze so hmm yes.

Note taffy keeps obvious towning day 1 I just am not bothering to quote it.


:medievalcheers:

It's true. If Visor and I were both scum here, I'd be having a ball.


I believe you.

Through page 5

Town (not counting ender or visor this is for the future)
Taffy
Cuth
Winston
Katze
Insomnia
Sk


Wolves
Dya
Benneh

katze I am ready for that king maker proposal tomorrow tbh.

Also taffy is so mean to me. Saying I should pace myself but was suspicious of me for saying I would have trouble solving in this game. Cruel. Unusual! But also I don't need cheap tricks to beat any of you as a wolf I am the top of the food chain there. As a town I am but a humble fish doing my best to splash around and kill wolves.

Anyway back to my ctrl + f fun.



i can dig that. but that doesn't really align with what your reasoning was to vote him at the time?

like your posts re: achro today woudl have made a lot more sense in that context but the part that bugs me is that you found something almost certainly NAI to use to vote him (e.g. his ability to post above the post cap?)


No pushback at all on visor's vote of me, but taffy gets grilled.


i think visor probably holds ladd and i to a slightly higher standard fwiw

both in terms of wolf and village reading us

Excuses for visor


alrighty ty for the info

id be pretty hyped for a benneh/katze wolfrand but id bus visor so hard u have no idea...

SPEAKING OF WHICH visor is rly wolfy uwu (this isnt a real read) (maybe???)

current worldview looks something like


REDACTED READS: Winston, katze

ladd
benneh
Taffy

Cuthillius
dyachei
insomnia*
Achro

Visor
SilverKeith

Ender
Cape*

i kinda think these two are w/v like 90% of the time

feel free to ask questions in the meantime, this is my capping post ill be back in 40 min or so glgl



I believe katze would be hyped. The problem is they are posting a lot. Oh no.


I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)

Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms

Like a wolf working the elbow grease

Cuth obv town again and we are at eod whoo.


vote: visor

the student has become the etcetera


Hmm yes


the foreign language tell

gottem

Benneh is incapable of saying a serious word when responding to visor votes.


I think winston is funny and have liked their style so my current poe is made of all the ppl I've had nothing to say about (Visor/Benneh/Ender/Insom) + Taffy who has apparently posted and I should prolly read.



Reasonable list from sk tbh


let's do visor

Winston the GOAT. Miles ahead of my sorry ass lol. Great job.


am i the only one that keeps confusing visor and cuth's posts?

yall should change avatars

This almost feels like open wolfing in wolf visor world.


town will see they have to kill Visor tomorrow :argue:

Cape with the GOAT call out.


I don't remember any visor I unironically think this is a wolftell for lack of spice

Sk stocks to the moon

Remember that time day 1 where I tried to kill the n1 kill? Good times. I do always say day ones are my worst days lol


visor what are your actual reads where are you at wrt gamestate overall?

Obv town post



vote: ender

imo its this or cape

sk or visor are acceptable as well



Think this is towny in the spot tbh. Wolves by my narrative with a ladd kill were playing to not rock the boat too much.


idk br0ski, you've made 2 votes, no?

in both of them you vote people of feels that weren't really explained. makes it hard to think you're developing wolf reads for real



Direct aggressive attack on cape feels like it comes from town tbh. It's the directness I like.


visor is the lowest poster in the game and i feel like this is alignment indicative and i might even say its town indicative for him?

Excuses for visor but I also can see town katze thinking this tbf


Visor what are ur reads

Sk trying to sort visor at eod hmm yes yes.


let's give visor another day here

Towny mindset imo wolves would be afraid to be so blatant.


katze/visor/dya

:creep:



Another 2/3 solve and all 3 wolves over both guesses? Hmm yes.

I think tomorrow taffy can just like. Kill me I guess and I hope my legacy is right. I don't like being in the position to ever be in a game losing chop and they are trying to read way into things. I know how that goes I do that sometimes so I am empathetic at not being able to let go of something no one else sees. Got a little prickly today but I am not upset at taffy they just aren't on the same wavelength as me and haven't been from the start. It's totally chill tbh I have loved most of their posts tho


Anyway back to ctrl f


We could always kill achro


While I was making dinner. Gee. Thanks Visor.


towny post from visor regardless of achro alignment imo

Visor is a tricky one tbh

So ends day 1. My completely ordered reads list is...


Taffy
Cuth
Winston
SK
Katze
Insomnia
-
Wolf-dya
Wolf-benneh

Those top four seem really unaligned from visor. Super unaligned. Katze/insomnia feel unaligned as well but maybe in range of a good wolf. Bottom two are 100% the level one solve though. Not even a question at this point based on interactions.

Day 2!

So now the wolf agenda is updated to:

Attack me
Attack Sk
Attack Taffy
Attack Cuth
Attack Winston

Imo. Those are the five towniest people. So now I will ctrl f visor and then ctrl f the other two potential wolves to see if wolf agenda is being followed or if interesting things are afoot.


Kinda surprised how few people didn't jump off cape at the end but I might be overselling the doubts


I mean. Given his eod this is very lmao in hindsight but apparently my case on visor is very bad or something.


EnderWiggin

your sr on me is vibes based isnt it? i cant rly uh, help you with that. and my vibes today will probably not be great, maybe ill feel better tomorrow and my VIBES will be immaculate but meh, i might just ask if you'd be willing to truce w me for today and i can give you a proper burial at EoD
Visor

why achro?

also why are you a villager but this question is boring so if you give me a boring answer i wont rly blame you but while i am poking insomnia harder than i am poking you i am more actively concerned with your alignment than his
Achro

not a loaded question: why didnt you do anything overnight

Good post front katze hmm yes.


actually, I disagree. I really liked your post about cape that came right before sk said that - you said something about cape's read on visor being one of the best in the game because visor wasnt funny enough

Dya says visor's name but does not talk about visor.


i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

So worried they were that they did nothing about it day 1 at any point other than to express vague concern. Hmm yes.


oh hi dya

i think in terms of players i could be paired with visor makes some sense like

if he said it was me/achro or me/you id probably bonk him in the head



Towny post imo


actually i changed my mind i dont feel like realtiming tonight im just going to go reread the game and see what my autistic ass brain decides to do with it





achro->SK
achro->dya



does achro really intend to only read me off of results this game

i still kinda viscerally dislike a lot of achros early postings but i don't really think i can put why into words still beyond "how does he believe the words he is saying"



i am taking minor grievances on insomnia not picking up on a very obvious joke. what that means for his alignment who will know but im commenting anyway because i feel like there's someone out there who has some nerdy analysis on how not getting jokes when you ordinarily do get jokes is actually alignment indicative



benneh is a villager



man this shit so feels like a trap question though?

my read on him to this point had cited the word "vibes" like multiple times, my front row seat to achros wolf game wouldn't mean shit here and if anything me being paranoid because i watched him bus his bros and post a billion times after a weaker start whichis not that far off this game is like

yeah sure its not something you should clear a good player for but for him to go onto making a big show about this just seems disingenuous to me and i know he later says it was mostly for reactions and he didnt like mine yadda yadda yadda but that doesn't really change the fact that i don't think that the world of "achro is a villager and this post right here is the start of him doing some reaction testy shit", i think if he's town this was a genuine question and if hes wolf then it was a trap question and either way he just eased it into a reaction thing later

on the other hand i don't rly think achro knows my towngame THAT well so i don't know if w!him really knows what to expect here. if he knew me better id say this is even worse but his saving grace is that the only game we've played together i was a villager and. it was not a normal game

subconsciously this might have been how i felt a bit in realtime



anyway unrelated to all of the above. actually directly related. visor like, does not at all comment onit. he makes a post with a wolf team guess that includes achro and im sure if you ask him he'd probably say that might have influenced it, but like. hes literally NOT TOUCHING IT at all.

which is weird. and i know he would say "i dont want to deal with that shit" but man, there's like three wallposts of me and him spilling our hearts and hes just like "hey benneh, hru"



and his next post is just kinda

in my current worldview its pretty laddavi.gif, maybe taffys a wolf and im GETTING SNOWED (VISOR LOOK I SAID THE THING) but i don't think they are and from my current view of the game the reads on taffy are like

"taffy is just town" -> a villager (benneh) expresses doubt -> ??? aligned visor shuts it down

worth thinking about i guess.



AND THE GUY WE SHRUGYEETED EVEN AGREES. IM GONNA AVENGE U CAPE. maybe

i love u cape im sorry we did that to you i rly wish you just listened to me at eod but maybe that would have been worse cuz i thought u had good posting catching up until the final stretch

im currently pondering on if achro/visor is an unpairing or not because i am right now wanting to vote both of them but like. i also might think him flat out ignoring me and achros argument and just dropping a 3/3 solve with achro in it might be weird if w/w

but i guess thats not something id bet the game onyet



i have a really really stupid read that SK is a wolf for this post because he, instead of saying *who* he would say to the achro thing, he instead said "oh id just say someone i wanna play with"

this read is probably really dumb but idk it mkes a bit of sense to me???

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING


SK->(e)td



this feels pretty fkn villagery to me

in the sense that i could totally se it being one of those pretty posts a wolfwrites because it looks hella towny

id be very impressed if it was w/w with taffy and if hes a villager id imagine he's got good odds of being right and i agree with the conclusion anyway so like.

+achro
+++taffy


same post

bold is kinda funny given what im thinking rn but also that second bit is...

"can you link me a wolf game where you do [what taffy did]

what does that... accomplish? SK is not taffy

i could probably find a wolfgame ive done that and if i posted it he'd say something about ranges, id reckon that probably applies to SK as well since hes just as good of a wolf as i am? seems weird and achro. knows SK.

um


achro->sk



i think this is villagery vote timing

esp if SK is a wolf

kinda funny that two people (ender/achro) are townreading winston for. suspecting me.

im rolling my eyes and i guess since im posting this probably i shall say this.




why does this post exist what the fuck me



this post feels wrong to me which is weird because my first townping on dya was a similarish post where they were kinda appealing to ladd in a way that it felt like they hoped ladd was town and then here they are clearly stating they think hes town but idk

this might a medya thingbut im noting ti anyway




if taffy sus read later



im still not fully convinced dya isnt doing the bolded kinda even tho the benneh thing is obv the exception

again this isnt a today concern probably but... lets see

first read is light v on achro, then light v on insom, the latter being basically a reply to an insom light v read and the former being consensusish at that point imo

dya then pokes a few people (lightly on me, then on visor and ender) and makes no reads on any

then they drop the benneh wolfread, which is absolutely not consensus



and even this is fairly hedgy but its not bad


this is their "who i would vote rn" list, cape is abso consensus, benneh is abso not. cuth also not i guess but i think he was floated a bit sometime before then... yeah i placed my vote and dya quoted it not that long before. could be coincidental but my read there was tinfoily and i did it partially because i felt like it wasnt consensus so sure

and then sk who at that point was probably kinda split

then they pushed harder on cape, poked visor in a negativeish way, agrees with a "achro is kinda villagery but not omega villagery but day 1 pass" read

then they hedged on cuth some (i think? looks like a bit of + and - from them)

continue pushing cape

and then pushing SK some at eod

meh

im getting AHEAD OF MYSELF but i find it easy to read "w!dya would just post some consensus reads" and then read their reads this game and say theres some parallels!

mrrrrrrrrrrr ok where was i



this whole read on me is

its not great but it does kinda FEEL like v!insomnia words idk but it lik e so blatnatly falls flat on its face if you read the context? at least mostly? idk i guess i can see it as a thought that appeared in their head at some point that they didnt give much thought to and thn katze sus came up and theyre like "oh wait! i had something for this!" and dragged it out and honestly that sounds kinda plausible BECAUSE its obviously unconvincing
hrmm

i feel like insom is v much some1 who just wants to lunch villas as a wolf surely he could do better against a villa like me who just posts dumb shit all the time...?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfuck

i need to sleep on that one


insom



winston made like a borderline identical post to this in our game last year lol

ur a fun guy i will post more big faces at u.



oh this is dyas kinda backpedal on cuth and its in reply to "i scumread cuth, prove me wrong" hmm that changes that prior thing a bit ok hmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay i might be feeling the town dya again

im reading their soul

theyre not sure on cuth rn

they trust ladd, ladd trusts cuth, they dont really trust cuth

but theyre feeling it

they kinda see it

maybe???

im letting this marinate

dya hi



hey u nerd i was JUST about to type that u hadnt made any cap comments!!!!! grrr ok

idk what this means for your alignment mister hughes.

i guess posting 3/3s with literally no comment on the most consensus wolf all game is kinda weird tho idk what kind of



ghoststab



no its not its nai as fuck lol dya will eternally tease me on my record on them until i figure it out



i saw some1 say today that sk popping in for eod was weird but their post b4 this was "im going to sleep" and idk i kinda wanna believe that



visor what are you doing this game



+

yippee postcap lift



lol i kinda wanna clear dya if sk is a wolf it might be dumb but i honestly feel like dya is about to pounce and maul sk and rip the poor kirby to shreds

i FEEL it

kinda like how they sound when i scumread them in a turbo ;)



ok Achro

im setting you on fire.

why is SK a villager for this post?


why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??


...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting



i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs



banger post



yeah i think SK is actually a wolf

ive been kinda looking at SKs eod and i feel like hes SAYING things but hes not ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE GAME



and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS



:curtain:



awoo







MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod



why

why do you have these thoughts, keith.



yikes



yikes



nah ur right winston that read was garbage

im done reading this game

SK and Achro are blatantly wolves together and Visor is prob the third

im going to bed

bye


1/3 not bad tbh


vote: Achro

dome me, coward.

18/50


Apparently I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this day because this is legitimately funny af lmao. Skill issue tbh


let visor be villagery tomorrow

i want him to have the time

Lmao




okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

-----

i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

-------

dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

Visor's case on me here is sewage and I cut it into pieces as I should have tbh. The fact anyone could read my eod and think this was a town perspective perplexes me severely. Also hey more empty dya sus that's cool.


dya >rand v

after we both confronted eachother i think we both kind of got into the game a bit more and i feel like that helped me get a more solid read on them. think the way they came around on me felt natural too. like, i think the way they initially wolf read me makes sense given how i was playing a little more watch and wait most of day 1 and when i decided to out more of my reads and engage with thread more, i think dya picking up on that and being open to it is prob just villa indicative imo

think the way they came out today pushing sk also feels like quintessential day 2 v!dya (helps i agree with the sk read). kinda matter of fact/to the point

also kinda just trust ladd when he and i agree on dya

achro i have nfi sorry bud

Lmao if the level 1 team is reality. No no, dya is fine. Also the corpse said dya was OK but idk can't hear the corpse about achro sorry mate.


i'm digesting kat's wall post

trying to sort out the kat/visor/achro triumvirate

not that theres anything linking you 3 i just am not sure how i feel about yall today

winston too actually

I bet.

Lmao my 'point on the doll' post. I am a funny guy when I am incredulous tbh.


bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all



I asked why he had dya at the bottom of his read but weren't primary wolf reads like the 3 villagers he just named here.


do me a favor and remind me of this ask 12 hours from now if i dont respond

ive pulled an allnighter prepping somethin for work and my brain is mush rn


This can be your reminder about visor lol


relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one


It is like I am watching a textbook on how to distance in this post. The lead with suspicion of a wolf mate based on personal interactions, the stating that someone else looks wolfier though, and saying that they don't mind either one. This is just once again a nothing post about visor.


i think he's just here for the zipline



Benneh try to talk about visor seriously 90% of the time level: impossible


look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting. Then he didn't post cap but waited until EOD post cap lifts to come back and play. it was a 48 phase and he wasn't interested in trying to solve until the last hour. I don't think his solving was very enlightened at that time either. Just read his EOD.

I wasn't feeling cape because tbh, cape came back and was like super aggressive about being a wolf read - he wasn't angry per him but he was accusing everyone else. SK fit the picture better but we ended up elimming cape instead. I couldnt be around at EOD to make this more clear becauase that's when we get AMy ready for bed

He could be partners with literally anyone


Visor wants to be walked through sk. Dya gladly gives him an sk case that's thoughtful.


See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

Hmm yes taffy with a good game state read.



wya on cuth and insomnia, dya?



I know you said you wolf read me but give me more reads please ty


i certainly didnt tryhard the last game i played on here as a villager lol


Just words to dya. No real oomph either way.


could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

Mmm. Sweet, sweet wolf agenda. Visor is wolfy, but visor's main push is also wolfy. Doesn't mention that when discussing me. Strange. (Sarcasm tag here)



i mean i agree

the thing with achro is he can say all the right things so i dont really care about his defence, i care about the way he projects himself in thread and it comes across as wolfy to me

ill see what sk gets up to overnight i guess


'I do not care about his words' is a fantastic take tbh.

Oh and then visor and dya make up and decide to town read each other. Well isnt that a happy, obviously not paired, ending?


one of my gripes with you is we've been in the thread at similar times before now and you havent tried to have a conversation until now

Wolfy self-awareness that they have both messed up because this has been two ways btw


meh

I know that's not entirely a fair answer. but like. Im kind of middling on him rn. I dont think i want to elim him but Im also not confident he's town

Visor asks where dya is on benneh. Another read that doesn't matter at all. Again I am not saying this has to be the solve but boy is it for sure the easiest one to get to based on how these 3 orbit around one another but do nothing meaningful.


Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."


... ender you were just testing visor to see how he reacted to this because you wanted him to lower his guard right? EnderWiggin

It feels... painfully obvious in hindsight. Yeah that for sure tilted me for a second lol.


im not particularly a tunneler most of the time and if you'd like i'd be willing to solve with you assuming you're a villager for some of today and see where it goes, i'm aware that regardless of your alignment it'll probably make me townread you some but it'll probably be fun and if i'm wrong on wolfreading you then perhaps you can help me find where im wrong in my towns
Achro
EnderWiggin

Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius

katze
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
insomnia
Visor

from my understanding this is ~vaguely where you're at, so lets work from here. i was gonna say to not bother with me but given one of my confusions w you rn involves me, i'm fine talking about me

i expect this to go nowhere or eat my entire postcap but given tomorrow im going to have a long day at work i dont rly mind

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Great reads list hmm yes. The fact that katze wanted to work with me when I had that reads list that very likely has 2/3 of the wolf team at minimum makes me feel good about Kat's town chances tbh.


ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am :curtain:




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think


Hmm yes. Katze is solving well imo. Dya has tmi and katze is town and very town for tilting their head at that take. Okay katze and I have randed v/v and will win the game now sorry haters.


This is my I havent totally cleared them list
Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
Achro
katze

of these, I think SK/achro/visor makes the most sense. but as you can see, there's room for error


Wolfy agenda again from dya.


gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

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It is because he is howling and fake solving, milord.

Okay up to page 14.


a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool


Cuthillius iyo would dya/benneh fit that criteria of 'high confidence in their wolf team'



visor/achro/katze

:yes:

I appreciate you got the visor one right at least.

Oh also visor benneh dya have kind of been gassing cuth up all day. So what would the agenda be there hmm.


okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

Visor says this is a villagery post and I agree. I believe he is absolutely correct on benneh but I doubt it's katze. Could be. But very complex game if so.


I thought visor and benneh were unpaired when I was looking through visor's iso fwiw.

Hello past Chris. You were probably wrong. But that's why we re-evaluate these days


first part of d1, dya is so townie

dgaf vibes, clear process, town intent

since then, dya's been fine

i'd like to see more fire

We have been tricked and deceived milord.


i’ll add dya in the winston tier

katze / sk / visor / benneh

idk if this can have 3 wolves but let’s see if there’s magic in PoE

Insomnia with a good poe when reading through the game imo. Towny.


Page 15 time very hype tbh almost done. Been working on this for awhile now lmao. Over night reading since visor is dead and I probably post this closer to eod to see how dya and benneh do. Secret stuff. Lmao. Actually what a great idea. I am just going to lie and say I had nothing ready and just reaction test stuff. Oh what fun I will have. Although less fun if am severely skill issued but I see no evidence of that currently so we tread on.



Thx cuth I just wanted to see what ladd's reads were

Ok sure

Vote:Visor

Sk with the very based vote from ladd's legacy tbh.


humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next



2/3 cuth doing good solving.


if insomnia is a villager id declare myself lock clear for not trying to kill insom over cape at eod

way better value mislunch iyam


yeah but at that point of the game i was being snowed by marmot and logic was posting well enough

so its not like i had a perfect poe, my poe wasnt great, i just had you as a very strong townread

also SK id be kinda willing to realtime w you but idk i might try to preserve posts instead? ill vaguely watch and see what happenz

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I believe you tbh


you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too


Lmao. Was really going for the obvious wolf agenda here weren't you buddy. This is such a twisting of ladd's legacy because he later said I was obvious town and later still said I was still obvious town even when pushing him. Not only that but now decides that the one person in ladd's legacy not in the proposed wolf team is the problem. If this is a coincidence it is surely hell of a one.


i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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Katze ready to pounce the wolf most excellent.


Oh yeah that's a pretty towny thought I think. This isn't scum SK speak, at least from what I recall.

sup buddy, I hope I am not as SKILL ISSUE'D as draft mafia :stare:

This is post 48, so anyway the potential scum teams with me are wild, jesus what do you guys think I do with wolf partners, torture them? Okay maybe a little.

Anyway TOWN LIST TIME

VERY CONFIDENT HAHAHA I HAVE META ON SOME OF YOU
Ender
Dya
Winston (Town Poisoner, apparently, alright)
Taffy (lowering because I don't know them, but I am still pretty fucking sure that vote on me was pure)
SK
Cuth (Taking Ender's word on this one, if he is wrong it is his skill issue not mine)
Katze (This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)


Lock Wolf
Visor

He... literally went on a multiple post rant about how I didn't do enough at eod to save cape when I did everything to save cape and he didn't care that Insomnia did literally nothing in real time. If he is town, that is a hopeless skill issue on his part and I am never finding him lmao.

Oh wait there's only two other players
Insomnia
Benneh

Hm.

I didn't think Benneh was very partnered with Visor tbh, quite the opposite in fact. I think I have 2/3 of the wolves here though or perhaps I am still skill issue'd somewhere.

I probably am tbh

but if I am on Visor then I am just going to sulk in a corner tbh.

This is post 48 and I am not at all interested in having thread control, although I have 3 posts left because I had to waste one clearing multi quote and I am RECLAIMING MY TIME.

I am in better spirits now. I ate, and now I am just having fun with this game even though my mafia IQ tells me town loses like 90% of the time, I just don't know if town is the problem or I am the problem xd.



Glad I worked past my skill issue on benneh already. I got dya wrong but that's OK I wasn't really looking deeply there yet and I don't know insomnia very well. Not bad at all tbh.


i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

Yeah you're town probably. Sorry I gave you a tough time when you were trying to keep up with the spin cycle that is my brain. I am basically gojo from the present in JJK half the time and gojo in the past when he was tweaking out following his awakening the other half. Sometimes things go crazy lol.


I am very cute I tend to do that to people


You are SilverKeith I am glad we are (likely) towning again together. Very hype.


still v, probly not 'top town'? i feel pretty confident they are v and its more than just agreeing with their push on sk

if sk is a villa ... hmmm. visor probly lock wolf in that scenario? achro i think looks bad too tbh tho i dont think he can be paired with visor



So glad after we murder sk in this world you are offering the low posting wolf to us as a gift. Although who knows if that would have stayed true in reality.


i actually don't know if visor looks worse if sk flips v or w here

feels like his SK vote could be a concesssion to bus with his progression

i don't agree sk's posts have been villagery since he's showed back up fwiw

Quick, throw em off the scent!

(Too late)


the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Nah jk right back to power wolfing and bringing the game likely into lylo after a session of sleep with plenty of chop targets in town and you three having done some nominal distancing.

I wont bother quoting visor's two walls about thoughts on the game they largely reinforce stuff.

I dont think ender gave it away too much beyond nominal distancing if this


hardclaim?

I got caught up and still wanted it between sk and visor so I'm fine with this, but I guess if you're dying I want to know more

Lmao


vote: visor

Ah dya finally decides to vote the wolf. Excellent.


achro/sk fit?

Blatant wolf agenda milord


Then today has been a mess of multi-way bussing and I don't believe that.

Maybe I'm blind on it but the way Achro went after Visor actually felt unaligned.


You are not blind. I was just my usual town fish self. You probably won't be alive when you read this but I am glad we found each other early. It was fun playing with you again. Sorry for making you paranoid by being too agreeable I am trying to be nicer lmao.


Maybe it's Cuth and I'm just a sucker. =P

Nah he doesn't have a wolfy bone in his body imo

Ah katze called me a nerd. *glances up* correct.


i feel really weird about achro continuing to push this narrative where winston is the poisoner and so I'm posting about it in hopes that if i die, someone else will look into it

Wolf agenda. Just... blatantly continuing to shade me and act like visor achro makes any sense despite the dead town and the dying town going 'no it doesnt' just going for the power wolfing without an ounce of subtly. I kind of hope I am wrong tbh.


its obvious in hindsight for me. As I was catching up with EOD I was like...ender is being pretty wolfy but also not. I wonder if he's a wolf. Then he outed as pr and I was like oh yeah. those guys are usually pretty wolfy in thread


It really wasn't that obvious tbh

I appreciate that taffy is still living the wolf achro dream tbh. The truth is visor wasnt going to suddenly shift all his reads he had been pushing all day even if he did catch in to maybe something being wrong.

And I am caught up with thread. I will leave the spoiler tag here. I will be real timing at eod. Fun.

Tl;dr is that the team of visor/dya/benneh fits perfectly into my world of the scum plan day 1 surrounding cape and taffy, the death of ladd and pushing his legacy in spotty ways to suit wolf agenda, and to set up the required chops on town to win wolves the game. Additionally their play around each other has LOOKED unpairing at times, but as you dive deeper into the conversation you notice there is always either a stillness to their reads of one another or a vague movement where someone is wolfy, only for it always to be resolved internally between them and swept under the rug. They say each other is suspect at times, but never do anything about it nor express this suspicion when others ask. Benneh was worried about visor's vibe earlier in day 1 but when ladd, who trusted benneh, inquired to benneh, he said visor was v. To give one example. Dya also had a lot of wolfy self awareness and not convincing conversations with these two.

Further still, the six other slots I read as town have ranging from incredibly unpartnered/non wolf agenda consistent posting to good posting. I would be shocked and completely impressed if any of them are scum atm. I do recognize this is a level 1 solve though and those can at times be wrong. I think benneh is more blatant than dya, but it's really hard to ignore the consistent wolf agenda pushing from dya on regards to cape and now later in day 2 me.

[Visor]

you just outed me as a pr for nothing lol

wolves just get a free rolecop

unbelievable.

[EnderWiggin]

oh my god i fucking claimed for nothing i am going to punt you into the sun

I mean I was gonna lead on you anyway so this is just acceleration of the last minute claim process

[Achro]

Sorry that it got so long, I was under the assumption that the Visor portion was absolute and that the day was set. Sigh.

Oh well.

[Achro]

If visor is this skill issue'd as a town on how he approached me and as vig didnt put me out of my misery I am going to be pretty mad ngl

[katze]

24 hour mark claims get less hard traction in terms of serious reactions.

id agree if you read my reaction as towny like it is :P

memes aside i. get the idea of reaction baiting, id do it myself, just... ugh, i think you waited too long to come clean lol

like way too long

whatever, we can talk bout that another time maybe, i won't harp on it

[Visor]

Vote: Taffy

[Cuthillius]

what the fuck

[EnderWiggin]

Idk if skill issue but I actually don't want Visor. If he shoots and isn't a 1 shot that's actually pretty mech clearing unless poisoner is /actually/ town

[Cuthillius]

If visor is this skill issue'd as a town on how he approached me and as vig didnt put me out of my misery I am going to be pretty mad ngl

this is a wild take

[Achro]

yeah ender got to say man... I wrote a lot of that case under the assumption that things were chill today. I kind of used most of my energy.

Stupid fps tbh

[Visor]

achro = wolfy

these are the facts ppl dont want u to kno

[Cuthillius]

Idk if skill issue but I actually don't want Visor. If he shoots and isn't a 1 shot that's actually pretty mech clearing unless poisoner is /actually/ town

better hope wolves don't have jk/rb because otherwise there goes town kp dude

[Totally not Taffy]

LET

ME LIVE

goddamnit.

the one goddamn time i rand vig and try to play it safe i get this nonsense happening

the poisoner is a friggin wolf, which should be obvious given they posioned claimed pr ender

SO I AM A VILLAGER.

Earlier you said you didn't want to claim because of the specific role you were. Of all roles, vig is not one who needs to fear claiming, bc they still get to shoot if wolves kill them for being a PR.

You are very much a wolf.

[Achro]

this is a wild take

Man, I don't care ok? Like, you're a wild take. Get out of my face about how I solve. I've had it up to here.

[nebjiamn]

lol
lmao

[katze]

skimming achro wall cause words

https://i.imgur.com/3J2Tsqc.png

where does dya come from here? i am not dya even if we are both cat people

[Cuthillius]

softclaim town poisoner

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


Visor(5): Achro, SK, insom, Taffy, cuth
katze(2): Benneh, WH
Taffy(1): Visor
SK(1): Dya

sleep(1): katze

[nebjiamn]

honest to god its probly achro/silverkeith/cuth

ender you dingus

[Achro]

skimming achro wall cause words

https://i.imgur.com/3J2Tsqc.png

where does dya come from here? i am not dya even if we are both cat people

I promise everything is answered lol

[Totally not Taffy]

alright ill come clean, im actually the real town vig. i targeted visor n1 which is why there was motion

Yeah I'm the JOAT who docced Visor instead of Ladd or Ender, sorry.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston Hughes

hello friend

i have a redcheck on you

how do you plea

(quotes unrelated)

:hide:

[Visor]

i could see me/benneh as a wolf read fwiw, and possibly benneh/dya (for someone coming to that read)

but me/dya seems strange

[Achro]

i could see me/benneh as a wolf read fwiw, and possibly benneh/dya (for someone coming to that read)

but me/dya seems strange

Yeah I thought so too.

Then I kept ctrl + f'ing tbh

[EnderWiggin]

Seems I'm a dingus. I'll take it on the chin. I know why I thought it was a good play but I could be just wrong.

[insomnia]

ender might’ve outed the wolf poisoner with a fake red :skull:

[katze]

no i get why you scumread dya i just dont get why your reaction to my post there was to call dya wolfy when my post doesnt even mention them

still readin tho

[Achro]

Seems I'm a dingus. I'll take it on the chin. I know why I thought it was a good play but I could be just wrong.

Well, I mean, I have a lot of evidence of why he is a wolf but it sucks I spent so much time arguing perspectives with the premise he was outed man.

[Totally not Taffy]

am I the only one who saw Winston literally claim the poison early in the day? Was this a joke that I missed? Is Winston known for such jokes? They felt serious. Weird.

I think you misinterpreted Winston's posts where he "confessed" as talking about poisoning Ender, I think he was explaining his Ender vote EoD1.

This purely my speculation, bc yes my first thought at the time also was "town poisoner claim" until I remembered the vote.

[nebjiamn]

i could see me/benneh as a wolf read fwiw, and possibly benneh/dya (for someone coming to that read)

but me/dya seems strange
i would really enjoy that wolf team

you'd be ok too i guess

[Cuthillius]

uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)

[Achro]

no i get why you scumread dya i just dont get why your reaction to my post there was to call dya wolfy when my post doesnt even mention them

still readin tho

I think that may have been my way of townreading you lol

[Achro]

uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)

why? Please explain.

[Visor]

i would really enjoy that wolf team

you'd be ok too i guess

id have hit post cap d1 with that team lol

[EnderWiggin]

ender might’ve outed the wolf poisoner with a fake red :skull:

Idk why but your eod reactions ping the fuck outta me

[Achro]

I think you misinterpreted Winston's posts where he "confessed" as talking about poisoning Ender, I think he was explaining his Ender vote EoD1.

This purely my speculation, bc yes my first thought at the time also was "town poisoner claim" until I remembered the vote.

oh well fair enough, then it was mafia poisoner

alright. what a way to say you voted someone haha, that's funny.

[Cuthillius]

honest to god its probly achro/silverkeith/cuth

ender you dingus

oh come on

you can do better

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: insomnia

Watch my skill issue get worse in real time

[Achro]

Anyway, Cuthillius

fringe worlds? what? explain please!

[insomnia]

i kinda think visor saying he holstered due to shooting robyn last game incorrectly is a thing he’d probably never care about ever if he rands full vig here

the context is night and day. didn’t he rand 1 shot poisoner there or something?



but i assume we’re gonna be flashwagonning onto a villager

[Achro]

Vote: insomnia

Watch my skill issue get worse in real time

ender can you please stop falling for people you know's bullshit specifically day 2 in games where I tunnel them as wolf

ty

love you

[insomnia]

Vote: insomnia

Watch my skill issue get worse in real time

i didn’t wanna say it but i had it at about 70% im gonna die for no reason

not that im mad or anytging

[Achro]

i kinda think visor saying he holstered due to shooting robyn last game incorrectly is a thing he’d probably never care about ever if he rands full vig here

the context is night and day. didn’t he rand 1 shot poisoner there or something?



but i assume we’re gonna be flashwagonning onto a villager

yeah if he was town vig he'd have 100% shot me if he was being genuine lmao.

no shot

[Visor]

i kinda think visor saying he holstered due to shooting robyn last game incorrectly is a thing he’d probably never care about ever if he rands full vig here

the context is night and day. didn’t he rand 1 shot poisoner there or something?



but i assume we’re gonna be flashwagonning onto a villager

based on what exactly?

and weirdly, i agree ender, its a strange reaction

[insomnia]

Idk why but your eod reactions ping the fuck outta me

pro tip: if i were a wolf, they wouldn’t

as a villa i genuinely don’t care how i come across, as a wolf I know how to look ~normal, whatver that means to villas nowadays

[nebjiamn]

i kinda think visor saying he holstered due to shooting robyn last game incorrectly is a thing he’d probably never care about ever if he rands full vig here

the context is night and day. didn’t he rand 1 shot poisoner there or something?



but i assume we’re gonna be flashwagonning onto a villager
he implied he's a x-shot vig

unless you think my dude would ever holster (or CLAIM to holster) a full vig

cause i agree, he'd never do that

[Winston Hughes]

ender/visor/katze

and, no, i'm not the poisoner

[Achro]

but as with every case I make these days, do what you got to do. If you think I am wrong, vote elsewhere, but I'm confident on where I sit with visor and the reads between the three of those people. I would be willing to vote visor or benneh today if you guys prefer if you think visor is HEAVILY ISSUE'D and I noticed a lot of people were sussing benneh too for independent things, just let me know.

[Visor]

its like yall havent heard of being cautious or something

i guess i just come across as a massive risk taker all the time

(thats only 90% true!)

im a fairly conservative pr

[Achro]

ender/visor/katze

and, no, i'm not the poisoner

I think katze has been pretty towny tbh

[EnderWiggin]

ender can you please stop falling for people you know's bullshit specifically day 2 in games where I tunnel them as wolf

ty

love you

Glad you're admitting to being wolf at least =P

And also excuse you I was the one tunnelling Visor before you did today. I had him bottom of my list before your "Visor contradicted himself" post.

[insomnia]

based on what exactly?

and weirdly, i agree ender, its a strange reaction

cmon brah, you made the claim to fit in based on you shooting robyn and then you’re gonna say you’re a full vig

no reason for you not to shoot here imo and the two things have nothing to do with each other

[Visor]

he implied he's a x-shot vig

unless you think my dude would ever holster (or CLAIM to holster) a full vig

cause i agree, he'd never do that

no im a full vig and i holstered lol

[Cuthillius]

why? Please explain.

mostly just a) visor is a villager b) dya is very probably just a villager c) sure dya and benneh are good enough players that visor would probably feel less responsible to carry than otherwise but it really isn't a productive discussion because a)

[Winston Hughes]

I think katze has been pretty towny tbh

katze looks townier the more katze is in control of events

[insomnia]

he implied he's a x-shot vig

unless you think my dude would ever holster (or CLAIM to holster) a full vig

cause i agree, he'd never do that

didn’t he change his claim saying he’s a full vig?

[Visor]

cmon brah, you made the claim to fit in based on you shooting robyn and then you’re gonna say you’re a full vig

no reason for you not to shoot here imo and the two things have nothing to do with each other

they are not mechanically the same situation, you are correct, but they are intangibly the same - given i wanted to shoot achro lol (and people def tr him!)

[nebjiamn]

no im a full vig and i holstered lol


vote: visor

either wolf or coward, smh

[Achro]

mostly just a) visor is a villager b) dya is very probably just a villager c) sure dya and benneh are good enough players that visor would probably feel less responsible to carry than otherwise but it really isn't a productive discussion because a)

I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.

But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?

[Cuthillius]

ender might’ve outed the wolf poisoner with a fake red :skull:

it was just a softclaim

[Visor]

didn’t he change his claim saying he’s a full vig?

I NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING ELSE

I SAID VIGILANTE

I THEN SAID FULL VIGILANTE

at no point did i ever say x shot

i said i holstered n1 because i.... did because i wanted to be sure with my shot

[Totally not Taffy]

I didn't check Visor at all ftr.

I just thought it was the best social fake guilty to make.

Unvote

Taffy had no motion (paranoia check)

I think Katze treated the fake the worst but idk.

Also Visor's initial reaction was bad but I can kinda see it from a PR


I still think he's the best yeet today, I'm really not buying the holster story. And vigs don't need to fear claiming, as I said before.

[Visor]

amazing, all these years and people still read my personality wrong lol.

[Visor]

Vote: achro

w/e if i die as a claimed pr that can prove myself, at this point its on you guys

THE POISONER POSIONED A VILLAGE PR WHY DO YOU KEEP FORGETTING THIS

[insomnia]

idk if visor actually holstered here then unlucky lmfao

but he’s probably the poisoner who wanted one more day to poison someone else

i think there’s reason to think he was wolfy, i felt like it was the first thing i could see someone being an actual wolf for on posting and the claim doesn’t change that for me

[Cuthillius]

I don't know you and I don't trust your reads if you think this based off my isolation. I could be the skill issue, admittedly, but that's where I am at.

But okay, wanna kill the fuck out of benneh then?

i'm open to the possibility for sure

[Achro]

if I am not voting a wolf at day's end you can kill me tomorrow, I wont even fight it tbh

willing to vote either visor or benneh, that's it

[Totally not Taffy]

Sorry that it got so long, I was under the assumption that the Visor portion was absolute and that the day was set. Sigh.

Oh well.

There's no way I can read that right now, I'll do it overnight.

[insomnia]

Vote: achro

w/e if i die as a claimed pr that can prove myself, at this point its on you guys

THE POISONER POSIONED A VILLAGE PR WHY DO YOU KEEP FORGETTING THIS

to be fair, you’ve also yolo’d me in that game i softed vigi

i have my bases all covered LMFAO

[Visor]

if i am the goddamn wolf poisoner (KP!) then why has zero fucking people defended me today

[nebjiamn]

i'm open to the possibility for sure
w/w

[Achro]

i'm open to the possibility for sure

fish learns to compromise on common wolf reads in 2023.

vote: benneh

[insomnia]

i have a deep urge to yolo dya negl

[nebjiamn]

?vote: achro

[Achro]

if i am the goddamn wolf poisoner (KP!) then why has zero fucking people defended me today

actually that's a funny story tbh because if you read my big- *is shot*

[EnderWiggin]

If Visor is town Cuth is probably town for the weirdest defense. If Visor is wolf Cuth is still probably just town.

[Cuthillius]

insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?

[Visor]

to be fair, you’ve also yolo’d me in that game i softed vigi

i have my bases all covered LMFAO

lmao fair (though that situatiuon was a lil different, but still stupid on my part)

day play i will do whatever i want :P

[Achro]

i have a deep urge to yolo dya negl

yeah yeah just go with one of the other wolves please, she's not here and I was less certain on her lol

[nebjiamn]

i have a deep urge to yolo dya negl
honesly kinda gross

[katze]

i read the wall

tldr it for me? :curtain:

[Achro]

insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?

this is not the level of play I would think even close to beyond wolf visor, having seen him wolf twice.

He's just trying to buy a day but also like 'fine' since we agree on benneh tbh

[Cuthillius]

my head hurts

[katze]

hmmm
Achro Visor

lets say you're both off the table for today

who do you vote?

[Visor]

insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?

(also if i was a wolf fake claiming vig why would i claim not x shot and claim i holstered a full vig lol)

fwiw, i understand skepticism about people thinking i would holster a vig, i think its more than reasonable lol

but i dont always make decisions that make logical sense to other people in that way so it is what ti is

[Achro]

i read the wall

tldr it for me? :curtain:

everyone else super town, visor/benneh/dya suss a little bit, but when others ask they present a more positive light. They shared wolf agenda day 1 of silently letting cape die, benneh horribly manipulated ladd's legacy in places, all have pushed wolf agenda today IMO of me/sk

I am willing to be made King. If we kill any of them and they are town, you can kill me. Dya not today just cause MAYBE skill issue, but if visor or benneh is town then I have failed and deserve death.

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


Visor(4): SK, insom, Taffy, cuth
Achro(2): Visor, Benneh
SK(1): Dya
katze(1): WH
insom(1): ender
Benneh(1): Achro

sleep(1): katze

[insomnia]

insom i think it would be wild to specifically claim vig there as wolf vs other possible prs that would have a way higher possibility of letting him live if anything except it specifically being a completely fake result, no?

he needs to claim something that can “prove himself” by giving him a day, what other claim is there?

[EnderWiggin]

hmmm
Achro Visor

lets say you're both off the table for today

who do you vote?

Achro already said Benneh

[SilverKeith]

if i am the goddamn wolf poisoner (KP!) then why has zero fucking people defended me today

I won't get to f3 with enough cred if I defend you here.

Anyways I'm home what did I miss

[Achro]

hmmm
Achro Visor

lets say you're both off the table for today

who do you vote?

already voting benneh. Fish doesn't tunnel. new year new me baby.

[Visor]

hmmm
Achro Visor

lets say you're both off the table for today

who do you vote?

taffy or sk maybe i guess

[Winston Hughes]

Anyways I'm home what did I miss

d2 = the game descends into farce

[Achro]

taffy or sk maybe i guess

hey thats weird didnt you think benneh was kinda wolfy earlier. What happened there?

[katze]

everyone else super town, visor/benneh/dya suss a little bit, but when others ask they present a more positive light. They shared wolf agenda day 1 of silently letting cape die, benneh horribly manipulated ladd's legacy in places, all have pushed wolf agenda today IMO of me/sk

I am willing to be made King. If we kill any of them and they are town, you can kill me. Dya not today just cause MAYBE skill issue, but if visor or benneh is town then I have failed and deserve death.

"i read it, tldr it"

i guess the fact you missed a few obv joke posts in the wall makes more sense now hehe

but yeah im thinking

[SilverKeith]

I'm currently at visor/benneh/insom I think.

[Cuthillius]

(also if i was a wolf fake claiming vig why would i claim not x shot and claim i holstered a full vig lol)

fwiw, i understand skepticism about people thinking i would holster a vig, i think its more than reasonable lol

but i dont always make decisions that make logical sense to other people in that way so it is what ti is

1-shot even night vig

i'd lap that up like a saucerful of tepid milk

[insomnia]

fine we can kill sk

[katze]

hey benneh, it's EoD and i basically locked you town for "no reason" for most of D1

i'm not defending you here

thoughts?

[nebjiamn]

Katze asked me a q and the tldr is that I made an imaginary line between "every move is methodically calculated and every step carefully measured, every word has a meaning in my master plan" type of wolves and "push villas be loud be wrong with confidence don't give a fuck further wincon while looking villagery" type of wolves. I think dya push on me falls on the second category but I think they are the first type of wolf. I think benneh can play the second type. Not sure about cuth, prolly first type
casual reminder of htis guy #DoingWork at eod btw

fuck my life if wolves aren't in sk/ach/cuth/insom but theres gotta be at least 2 with how he's faded suspicion and the others are pushing every other fuckin wagon in the world especially now that visor is a claimed pr and mroe or less off the table

IF SK IS A VILLAGER it has to have two wolves in that realm defending him or he'd just be mislunch bait am i crazy or something

[Achro]

fine we can kill sk

Insomnia, please stop lol

[EnderWiggin]

I'm currently at visor/benneh/insom I think.

What. How insom.

[Cuthillius]

unvote

[Visor]

hey thats weird didnt you think benneh was kinda wolfy earlier. What happened there?

i talked about it earlier today - you could read my posts :curtain:

[SilverKeith]

taffy or sk maybe i guess

Is this a poe thing? I don't really follow this from you yet

[nebjiamn]

hey benneh, it's EoD and i basically locked you town for "no reason" for most of D1

i'm not defending you here

thoughts?
i dont care fuck off tbh

[Achro]

i talked about it earlier today - you could read my posts :curtain:

I have read every single one, just pointing out your progression is LMAO.

[katze]

i dont care fuck off tbh

oh

meowch

[EnderWiggin]

Like as in how with Visor after this eod

[nebjiamn]

I'm currently at visor/benneh/insom I think.
loooooooooooooool

[SilverKeith]

What. How insom.

I kinda think he fits well as a wolf. Everyone else is townie and I haven't really liked when Insom pushed me.

[katze]

mmm

okay shitposts aside

benneh how sure are u on dya v?

[Achro]

Insomnia has some meh posts but he isn't with visor after a full iso SilverKeith tbh

[Cuthillius]

casual reminder of htis guy #DoingWork at eod btw

fuck my life if wolves aren't in sk/ach/cuth/insom but theres gotta be at least 2 with how he's faded suspicion and the others are pushing every other fuckin wagon in the world especially now that visor is a claimed pr and mroe or less off the table

IF SK IS A VILLAGER it has to have two wolves in that realm defending him or he'd just be mislunch bait am i crazy or something

this is a bizarre way of framing it?? i don't think sk's posts have been fantastic either but i don't think his posts have been so terrible that he'd be being run up no contest if there weren't wolves propping him up for ?some reason?

[nebjiamn]

oh

meowch
sorry

intent the same but delivery different

i dont care about u or ur read on me rn

[insomnia]

Vote: Silverkeith

How you liking this?

[Visor]

i dunno how it makes sense to put me with insom tbh lol

[insomnia]

he doesn’t like how i pushed him but i didn’t even make a single post on him other than saying he’s PoE

aite

[nebjiamn]

this is a bizarre way of framing it?? i don't think sk's posts have been fantastic either but i don't think his posts have been so terrible that he'd be being run up no contest if there weren't wolves propping him up for ?some reason?
im not saying no contest and you're manipulating my words at worst and misunderstanding at best

[katze]

i think im seeing the light but im a little bit colorblind so bear with me if i get it wrong later ok guys?

[Cuthillius]

vote: insomnia

How you liking this?

[Visor]

Vote: SilverKeith

[insomnia]

visor ples poison me after we give you the day off on the WOAT CLAIM

[SilverKeith]

casual reminder of htis guy #DoingWork at eod btw

fuck my life if wolves aren't in sk/ach/cuth/insom but theres gotta be at least 2 with how he's faded suspicion and the others are pushing every other fuckin wagon in the world especially now that visor is a claimed pr and mroe or less off the table

IF SK IS A VILLAGER it has to have two wolves in that realm defending him or he'd just be mislunch bait am i crazy or something

Benneh why are you talking like you know how tf to read me here. Like even this reads is just an excuse to discredit ppl that might townread me. And even that is wrong bc I'm pretty open to being bused every game if wolfing (unless wolf pr I guess)

[katze]

nah but fr this eod feels like

uhhh how would cuth put it

perchance bang bang weirdness kind of like a hummingbird

[Achro]

anyway I thought this was going to be a chill eod due to the cop check, but now I am out of energy. I am fine with Visor or Ender.

FWIW, I think town Visor just claims vig first post after seeing ender's claim going 'lol no you didn't I'm the vig' the fact that it took awhile is probably always a scum claim trying to get ender to admit it's a fake and then saw light because Visor didn't move last night.

Just a guess tho

anyway glgl, if you kill me I forgive you but also uh try not to get full of yourselves, I guess? If you kill me then you have chopped people suspectng visor day 1 and day 2, with 0 scum dead. maybe you are having a bad game? just saying

I'll be on my phone to switch my vote later, but I really did wear myself out.

[Achro]

also last minute chaos for town sucks, I already said I'd take it on the chin tomorrow if visor or benneh flip town. You should stop trying so hard, this village has been terrible to work with tbh

no offense, but yeah just truth.

[Visor]

for real though why are we ignoring taffy

[SilverKeith]

Insomnia has some meh posts but he isn't with visor after a full iso SilverKeith tbh

I've skimmed your wall and ok sure ppl think insom is town. I'm ok with a benneh/visor lunch. I know visor is the one who made this argument but I do not think dya/visor makes sense.

Actually of all your pairings dya/benneh is the one that makes the most sense but I do think dya is a villager based on their push on me.

[katze]

this is the power of half shitposting at eods it makes them actually fun to attend and the tiredness goes away and then the next day people are like "wtf are u doing" and then i just do it again

[nebjiamn]

mmm

okay shitposts aside

benneh how sure are u on dya v?
ehh

90%

werewolf in inherently probabilistic etc

[Visor]

also last minute chaos for town sucks, I already said I'd take it on the chin tomorrow if visor or benneh flip town. You should stop trying so hard, this village has been terrible to work with tbh

no offense, but yeah just truth.

look in a mirror pal, you set the standard d1

[Achro]

also last minute chaos for town sucks, I already said I'd take it on the chin tomorrow if visor or benneh flip town. You should stop trying so hard, this village has been terrible to work with tbh

no offense, but yeah just truth.

well, THIS last minute chaos I guess. I have felt the thread was super villagery today compared to day 1

eh, whatever

you do you guys.

[SilverKeith]

I've skimmed your wall and ok sure ppl think insom is town. I'm ok with a benneh/visor lunch. I know visor is the one who made this argument but I do not think dya/visor makes sense.

Actually of all your pairings dya/benneh is the one that makes the most sense but I do think dya is a villager based on their push on me.

Alternatively Katze could be wolfing.

[Achro]

look in a mirror pal, you set the standard d1

lol get carried more as a wolf tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

SK(3): Dya, insom, Visor
Visor(2): SK, Taffy
insom(1): ender, cuth
Achro(1): Benneh

katze(1): WH

Benneh(1): Achro

sleep(1): katze

out for 10 minutes. stay calm, stay strong, remember this is just fun.

[Visor]

Alternatively Katze could be wolfing.

butwhy.gif

[insomnia]

can we request a double lunch on visor / sk?

[Achro]

I really didnt realize how godly I was as a wolf until visor tried to distance this game

I deserve a third award for umineko lol visor

[Visor]

lol get carried more as a wolf tbh

well that evidently touch a nerve LOL

[Cuthillius]

for real though why are we ignoring taffy

i feel like there are two different taffys representing two different players and wincons and coexisting at the same time and so i'm just ignoring it for now

[katze]

Alternatively Katze could be wolfing.

tbf i am actually hella frozen rn

[SilverKeith]

he doesn’t like how i pushed him but i didn’t even make a single post on him other than saying he’s PoE

aite

That's kind of the point you're like "ok i guess sk is a wolf" but have made no actual effort to fucking find out and I feel like if you were town you should like geez I don't think you should have that much of a hard time thinking I could be a villager here I don't even know why you think I'm a wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

this is the power of half shitposting at eods it makes them actually fun to attend and the tiredness goes away and then the next day people are like "wtf are u doing" and then i just do it again

i'm just sitting here clicking refresh and thinking what the fuck?

[Achro]

anyway I tell myself if I get angry I am skill issued as a rule, so maybe visor is a silly vig and its benneh/dya/?

votes on benneh, good luck, I'm just a fish who tried his best and... yeah, won't be playing here again either way I think, bad vibes.

[katze]

i'm just sitting here clicking refresh and thinking what the fuck?

at me, at the eod, or at everything?

cause honestly kinda same

you wanna just sit in our own corner and talk about chess?

[Cuthillius]

sk's posts kinda got reasonable for a little bit in the middle and now i'm back to "how are those actual opinions on this game"

[Visor]

wheres your head at, winston

[SilverKeith]

butwhy.gif

Why not.

It's a long shot and I think some players are untteamed with katze but I could definitely see bnneh/katze. I haven't liked their play around benneh so if benneh is a wolf I'd look at katze.

ANOTHER THING b4 I forget is that I thought at some point that if Insom is a wolf he tmi'ed cuth wolf but I cannot find the post right now I think

[EnderWiggin]

also last minute chaos for town sucks, I already said I'd take it on the chin tomorrow if visor or benneh flip town. You should stop trying so hard, this village has been terrible to work with tbh

no offense, but yeah just truth.

Last minute chaos is how I've caught wolves before.

It can kill town in the moment but generates enough action that wolves can and will give themselves away for later re-analysis.

Also your condescension this game has actually irked me.

[SilverKeith]

sk's posts kinda got reasonable for a little bit in the middle and now i'm back to "how are those actual opinions on this game"

Ok no.

Which one of my opinions is unreasonable and why.

I don't want people just furthering the "sk is on crack" world witouth actually backing up the shit they say.

[nebjiamn]

Benneh why are you talking like you know how tf to read me here. Like even this reads is just an excuse to discredit ppl that might townread me. And even that is wrong bc I'm pretty open to being bused every game if wolfing (unless wolf pr I guess)
how should I read you

you had what i call a bad eod d1

you were a heavy suspect to start day and have really... not done much other than make a few wall posts and be pretty cautious as to how you're framing the game fypov. idk, it feels like you only show up when your name gets tossed around in the pot a bit and when it starts to cool down you dip again

and there's been a palpable resistance to your wagon all day. granted some of that was because of some mechanical stuff at play today but even without that here at eod ppl are tossing out myself and dya. one villager and someone i think is very likeyl villager

it feels like people have been willing to re-eval on everyone but you and maybe that's a dumb reason but with everything else it adds up in my world view

[Visor]

Why not.

It's a long shot and I think some players are untteamed with katze but I could definitely see bnneh/katze. I haven't liked their play around benneh so if benneh is a wolf I'd look at katze.

ANOTHER THING b4 I forget is that I thought at some point that if Insom is a wolf he tmi'ed cuth wolf but I cannot find the post right now I think

i mean more, gimme something to go off here

[katze]

visor why are you defending me i thought your read on me was like, literally "they sound like katze" which isnt. a read. its not not a read but it's not a read

anyways i am um. i feel like this is a battlefield where benneh is in a war against achro and then there's some people who are kinda in the middle like myself and some people who are on one side or another but most of those feel vague except maybe dya on the side of benneh and sorta taffy too but they feel like theyre there because they don't know better not because they're trying to win the war if that makes sense

[Winston Hughes]

at me, at the eod, or at everything?

cause honestly kinda same

you wanna just sit in our own corner and talk about chess?

at everything

and sure...

personally, i like a bit of stilton, but i'm also partial to a good brie

[SilverKeith]

for real though why are we ignoring taffy

I like their posts.

I kinda think they are my top town unless they have a v good wolfrange for saying natural shit as a wolf.

[Visor]

visor why are you defending me i thought your read on me was like, literally "they sound like katze" which isnt. a read. its not not a read but it's not a read

anyways i am um. i feel like this is a battlefield where benneh is in a war against achro and then there's some people who are kinda in the middle like myself and some people who are on one side or another but most of those feel vague except maybe dya on the side of benneh and sorta taffy too but they feel like theyre there because they don't know better not because they're trying to win the war if that makes sense

i am not defending you, i want keith to give me something to go on, because i am currently voting him

[EnderWiggin]

I liked Taffy but could be blinders rn tbh.

[katze]

at everything

and sure...

personally, i like a bit of stilton, but i'm also partial to a good brie

how do you feel about american? that's the real shit

[Cuthillius]

anyway I tell myself if I get angry I am skill issued as a rule, so maybe visor is a silly vig and its benneh/dya/?

votes on benneh, good luck, I'm just a fish who tried his best and... yeah, won't be playing here again either way I think, bad vibes.

i'm sorry it hasn't been enjoyable and also sorry for the unnecessary snarkiness i sent your way

i will say it's been kinda hard to discuss things with you because you have a really high level of confidence in both your reads and your abilities, and often when people try to bring up opposing viewpoints you're like ok but trust me bro i'm really good at ww and if i'm wrong just kill me after this

instead of being like oh i really disagree but i could be wrong and werewolf is an inherently probabilistic game and we're all very good players and value each other's opinions

and it makes me want to engage with you less than i would otherwise tbh and i think made me be sarcastic in an unproductive way on multiple occasions

[Winston Hughes]

wheres your head at, winston

it should have been in bed over an hour ago

and i have no idea what is going on in this game other than that is very messy indeed

[Achro]

Last minute chaos is how I've caught wolves before.

It can kill town in the moment but generates enough action that wolves can and will give themselves away for later re-analysis.

Also your condescension this game has actually irked me.

I do not care. I have played 25 town games this year and this is by far the worst. I am done being told I'm the problem when games go side ways.

No.

You don't ask questions

you FPS like a third grader.

You don't solve.

Like, no. I have a sterling record and most people who have played with me tell me I am VERY enjoyable these days.

I am not the problem here lol.

Like my autistic brain just recognizes the insanity of this town, and especially how they treat me. There is no curiosity. There is no follow up. You just make assumptions. It is an objectively terrible and miserable experience.

I keep getting mad because... you guys are the problem lol. I dnt get mad playing with 99% of people. But like your logic is opaque, your solving is murky, and no one like... digs into anything.

visor, claimed town vig, apparently skipped most of my posts which is like 'oh ok cool'

so ... yeah. I put thoughts into this game and I GET FEEDBACK that no one cares.

so I dont actually care what irks you, my dude.

go fps harder some more and waste MY ENTIRE FUCKING AFTERNOON.

[Winston Hughes]

how do you feel about american? that's the real shit

it has its uses

[Cuthillius]

Ok no.

Which one of my opinions is unreasonable and why.

I don't want people just furthering the "sk is on crack" world witouth actually backing up the shit they say.

explain to me in detail how the visor vig claim makes more sense as a wolf than as a villager here

[Achro]

because I thought, ENDER WIGGIN

That I had caught a wolf. Because I thought I found you and you wouldn't FPS.

So I wasted HOURS of my LIFE on a FUCKING FPS.

So no.

I am no longer chill

and you can go irk yourself.

[SilverKeith]

i mean more, gimme something to go off here

If I had something I'd have already talked about it.

I talked about not liking katze wall for a bit and then some of the stuff katze has said just doesn't fit right with me. Their treatment of me is weird. Katze loves me (who doesn't haha) and I'm guessing they were excited to play with me so why tf is they "yeah we're shrugyeeting keith" like at half d2? Me not posting a lot shouldn't be alignment indicative here, katze is NOT the type of player who couldn't see that I could absurdly easy be a villager. Like, this is AFTER cape's lunch. I think it was dya who commented something like "Yeah that shrugyeet worked well last time" which katze SHOULD know imo.

[Achro]

stepping away because I know this isn't right.

I apologize for my behavior, in real time even though I am melting down I know it isn't right.

I wont post again, do what you want, I hope I am wrong and town succeeds despite my level of upsetness.

[Visor]

Vote: Winston Hughes

:curtain:

[EnderWiggin]

I'll talk about the game outside the game hopefully after we're all dead.

And it is specifically not to say you are the problem with town and town performance. This is something else.

Anyway not good for me to talk about so nyeh.

vote: Benneh

[nebjiamn]

alright maybe achro is a villager lol