13er summer game thread

[nebjiamn]

LOL

[Cuthillius]

i feel so bad for cuth if hes town ngl

also kind of if hes mafia but id imagine he would be relatively resigned to the fate in that world

no this is the most fun i've ever had in a mafia game no cap

[nebjiamn]

i can only imagine the pretzel based shenanigans cuth and I would have gotten up to if we were w/w this game

woulda been great

[katze]

no this is the most fun i've ever had in a mafia game no cap

im glad watching two clowns decide how to lose the game is fun

[Achro]

alright legit tho

achro, ill let you decide

do you want me to give katze hammer here and let them decide (or win if w)

or do you want me to maj cuth straight away

Well. If you think katze is a wolf in equity you never give katze hammer as it is always a loss. Versus katze wolf in f3 being a 50/50 from your pov. Especially if winston has it his way with his voting methods.

So majing is always proper here if you want to end day early.

[Achro]

im glad watching two clowns decide how to lose the game is fun

Redacted

[Cuthillius]

im glad watching two clowns decide how to lose the game is fun

well that part's actually kinda funny at this point

though if y'all straight up put it off until eod and then kill me anyway i'm gonna say mean words

[katze]

Redacted

the fuck did you just say about my mother

[Cuthillius]

Well. If you think katze is a wolf in equity you never give katze hammer as it is always a loss. Versus katze wolf in f3 being a 50/50 from your pov. Especially if winston has it his way with his voting methods.

So majing is always proper here if you want to end day early.

lol

[Achro]

the fuck did you just say about my mother

Also idgi you could just hammer now it just wouldn't be a 3-2 hammer

You guys confuse me (legitimately)

[Cuthillius]

cuthillius more like cortisollius

[Achro]

lol

I'm missing a joke aren't I.

[katze]

Also idgi you could just hammer now it just wouldn't be a 3-2 hammer

You guys confuse me (legitimately)

the difference is that a 3-2 hammer means that the hammerer can never be a wolf and a 3-1 hammer doesnt really say much

benneh seems pretty comfortable with me so i figure getting the MECHANICAL confirmation is epic and cool but like

it's a gamble! i could be mafia!

[Cuthillius]

I'm missing a joke aren't I.

not really i just find your being like "yes maj is always the right play here" funny

[Achro]

the difference is that a 3-2 hammer means that the hammerer can never be a wolf and a 3-1 hammer doesnt really say much

benneh seems pretty comfortable with me so i figure getting the MECHANICAL confirmation is epic and cool but like

it's a gamble! i could be mafia!

Yeah but it's 100% a loss if you are

Ita bad math to give someone a hammer. Idgi

[Cuthillius]

the difference is that a 3-2 hammer means that the hammerer can never be a wolf and a 3-1 hammer doesnt really say much

benneh seems pretty comfortable with me so i figure getting the MECHANICAL confirmation is epic and cool but like

it's a gamble! i could be mafia!

you're not tho

[Cuthillius]

ah yes the math

you must consider the math, katze

[katze]

cuthillius more like cortisollius

you know i never asked

what's a cuthillius and whys it not a cuthalion

or vice versa

[nebjiamn]

its gona feel so bad if i do this and its cuth/katze lol

[Achro]

Well my decision is to maj but I clearly don't play like you guys do so it's your votes.

I will just be making magikarp noises while making my flavor for my game.

[nebjiamn]

you're not tho
lmfao

[Cuthillius]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1VHfnqw6RoAVztLMCt/giphy.gif

[katze]

its gona feel so bad if i do this and its cuth/katze lol

lol if ur scared then just vote cuth

you clearly think its just cuth so

[Cuthillius]

you know i never asked

what's a cuthillius and whys it not a cuthalion

or vice versa

cuthalion is from book

cuthillius was what i used when i was a wee tiny thing and cuthalion was taken idk why it's not how anything works

it's like a fake latin variation of an elvish name and it's kinda cringe tbh

[Achro]

It's me themed. Which I guess comes off conceited but gamefaqs has a tradition where players host a game about their games every once in awhile for fun. This one is about my time away from gamefaqs. Really excited for the flavor tbh. Katze is in it.

[katze]

i googled cuthillius and found a reddit post crediting your deviantart

lmao

[Cuthillius]

i googled cuthillius and found a reddit post crediting your deviantart

lmao

wait what

[katze]

wait what

https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/r1bbvm/i_apologize_in_advance_for_the_feels_im_gonna/

you're famous

[Cuthillius]

lmfao what on earth

that's so funny

who how what

[katze]

now that you've made it we get to kill you

[Cuthillius]

now that you've made it we get to kill you

but like actually can you not

[nebjiamn]

alright ill be back in like 10 and legit vote then ish

[Cuthillius]

alright ill be back in like 10 and legit vote then ish

i hate you

[katze]

but like actually can you not

i mean thats kinda bennehs call

if i get given hammer i dont intend on just instantly murdering you

but i think its obvious i think it's you

[Cuthillius]

(derogatory)

[Achro]

Thats really cute ngl

[Cuthillius]

i mean thats kinda bennehs call

if i get given hammer i dont intend on just instantly murdering you

but i think its obvious i think it's you

wait actually?

[Achro]

But yes to be clear every compliment I have given this game has been very sincere and something I 100% believe. I am sorry it came off otherwise I will make sure to remember that if we interact in the future.

I think people's ambad impressions of me come from misunderstandings. I do my best to accommodate people when asked. Although day 2 was just me losing it so I understand people not liking that.

[Cuthillius]

But yes to be clear every compliment I have given this game has been very sincere and something I 100% believe. I am sorry it came off otherwise I will make sure to remember that if we interact in the future.

I think people's ambad impressions of me come from misunderstandings. I do my best to accommodate people when asked. Although day 2 was just me losing it so I understand people not liking that.

ok wolf

[Cuthillius]

(i acknowledge the actual sentiment)

[katze]

wait actually?

to which part

i did say to benneh part of the suggestion was INFO (for everyone involved)

would be pretty selfish to just say "lol sike" and deny working with it

ig that doesnt mean much for you, but for benneh/achro it does. to some extent at least

[Achro]

ok wolf

Alright town.

Oh no I slipped!

[Achro]

(i acknowledge the actual sentiment)

(Hug bros forever.)

[Achro]

Tbh if we ran this back with the knowledge I have now I would probably be much more chill and relaxed. New people make me nervous and when I am nervous I try hard.

[Cuthillius]

to which part

i did say to benneh part of the suggestion was INFO (for everyone involved)

would be pretty selfish to just say "lol sike" and deny working with it

ig that doesnt mean much for you, but for benneh/achro it does. to some extent at least

to you thinking it's me

it was a little hee hee hoo hoo

i mean realistically if benneh did give you the hammer and you think benneh's a wolf with me that just makes you think benneh's more likely to be the wolf with me, no?

idk man lol

i would have laughed really hard if achro had actually been like yes please tie and give katze the hammer so that they're clear going into f3

[Cuthillius]

to which part

i did say to benneh part of the suggestion was INFO (for everyone involved)

would be pretty selfish to just say "lol sike" and deny working with it

ig that doesnt mean much for you, but for benneh/achro it does. to some extent at least

i mean i feel like you've been playing this pretty selfishly in general

not that it would probably make any difference given the circumstances

but idk i don't think it really helped in the long run lol

[katze]

ur not wrong tbh

[Cuthillius]

ur not wrong tbh

we'll get em next time

[nebjiamn]

alright im back

[Cuthillius]

alright im back

vote achro?

[nebjiamn]

vote achro?
alright

[Cuthillius]

alright

sick

[Cuthillius]

but like actually

[Achro]

Wrong chat cuth

:curtain:

[nebjiamn]

vote: achro

yolo@katze enjoy the free win

[Cuthillius]

Wrong chat cuth

:curtain:

:sweatdrop:

[nebjiamn]

vote: achro

yolo@katze enjoy the free win katze

[Cuthillius]

lmfao

[Achro]

It was benneh and katze all this time

[katze]

hi\

[nebjiamn]

tip tap tip tap

[Achro]

Oh cool my solve is almost certainly correct.

Or winston 4k iqed me

Ballin

[nebjiamn]

hi\
oh.

[katze]

id like to thank ladd

i dont know why, but im sure he's appreciative of it

[katze]

oh.

were you hoping i was mafia

[nebjiamn]

were you hoping i was mafia
honestly, a little bit

[Achro]

Lylos are great but also a little glad I do this once every 7 years.

[Cuthillius]

Do you wanna be in my pocket?

so this post was meant primarily as a joke

the humor lay in repeating what cape said back to them

but i also think that this sort of thing is like a thing wolves of cape's temperament do generally often gravitate towards because it's an easy jokey way to start a game so i was kinda curious how he'd respond

not to say that it's more often a wolf thing to do than not just light-hearted engagement and a funny joke thing to start reads off of that is a safe way to enter a game

[nebjiamn]

so this post was meant primarily as a joke

the humor lay in repeating what cape said back to them

but i also think that this sort of thing is like a thing wolves of cape's temperament do generally often gravitate towards because it's an easy jokey way to start a game so i was kinda curious how he'd respond

not to say that it's more often a wolf thing to do than not just light-hearted engagement and a funny joke thing to start reads off of that is a safe way to enter a game
so this post was meant primarily as a joke

the humor lay in repeating what cape said back to them

but i also think that this sort of thing is like a thing wolves of cape's temperament do generally often gravitate towards because it's an easy jokey way to start a game so i was kinda curious how he'd respond

not to say that it's more often a wolf thing to do than not just light-hearted engagement and a funny joke thing to start reads off of that is a safe way to enter a game

[Achro]

Hello I don't know how to solve a game in 50 posts so I have decided to be an agent of (hopefully) town agenda chaos by suggesting we do this: pick a name. First come first serve, remove it from the list. Each user gets one. You cannot remove yourself. Last person is killed. We start day 2 with a day of social interactions. If this fails to kill a wolf I don't mind dying day 2 for suggesting this. Life is too short.

1. Visor
2. Totally not Taffy
3.Winston Hughes
4. Cuthillius
5. nebjiamn
6. SilverKeith
7. Cape90
9. EnderWiggin
10. ladd
11. insomnia
12. Achro
13. katze

I removed dya

So you see as a wolf I struggle to fake solve with post caps as can be seen in my previous wolf game here. Forgot who won. Anyway so I thought the smoothest entrance would be to say to randomly eliminate people while me and my buddies sk and winston memed in wolf chat about how hard we were going to own town by post capping but then sk broke his finger so it hurt to type so plans changed.

Anyway turns out this was a Terrible idea as town kept voting me and saw through my ruse it sucked tbh

[Cuthillius]

why on earth would i want that

he repeated the same thing back to me, which was neither good improv nor an interesting interaction, so i pushed back

a bit more abrasive than maybe necessary but i wanted to see how he'd respond, since if he matched my energy i thought it would be at least a little bit villagery

cape's played with me as a v and knows i can dish out, and again i think for a player like him there's some amount of caution involved early game that other more experienced players wouldn't have

as it turned out he didn't respond and that made me a little bit sus for the above reasons

[Cuthillius]

So you see as a wolf I struggle to fake solve with post caps as can be seen in my previous wolf game here. Forgot who won. Anyway so I thought the smoothest entrance would be to say to randomly eliminate people while me and my buddies sk and winston memed in wolf chat about how hard we were going to own town by post capping but then sk broke his finger so it hurt to type so plans changed.

Anyway turns out this was a Terrible idea as town kept voting me and saw through my ruse it sucked tbh

hey you've already done the schtick once it's my turn

[Achro]

That in fact would be hilarious. I think I will be okay though

I feigned confidence here to villager cuth to protect that I was calm. But internally I actually panicked. I hadn't considered that. Would the org take my gambit seriously and then through luck vote me out? I have told sk and winston to not take me off so if the town thought it was funny it was my neck on the line.

I was relieved cuth liked it though. He seemed swell

[Achro]

hey you've already done the schtick once it's my turn

Oh sorry I was trying to help.

Continue.

[katze]

alrighty

im still pretty conflicted, ngl

i think achro has several posts that just. like. if hes a wolf then ill clap and he'll hold this game over me teasingly just like umineko, and ill be like "yeah true" and then call him a maniac back

i still cant get over the fact cuth feels so fucking real to me today tho. idk. he has all game

ive been kinda reading thru a few other games (yeah yeah im a nerd)

and also this one obv

still

with umineko i feel like i had more doubts on achro and i had ~locked him village off of a few things early on and kinda stubbornly kept it up because he kept killing wolves, and i was blind to him actually wolfsiding a fair bit inbetween

in this game it's still the silverkeith thing. i need to read it all over again i think. probs same with cuth

cuth/achro

cuth/benneh
cuth/winston

achro/winston


i think if it's cuth/achro then whatever man they can have it and they're both stupid lol i mean i get that they're prob gonna win in f3 if its the team because of exactly this but they really truly could have easily won today

really if i solve winston i solve the game

and i do think he's town

which would make it cuth/benneh, the team ive kinda thought it was all day, and mechanics supporting that

but i'm not making a decision yet obv

[Cuthillius]

this is kinda villagery but i also think it would be really funny if yours was the last name on the list

not much to say about this one really i thought it was villagery because it was a pointless idea and nobody would ever take it seriously and if they did it wouldn't be helpful so that's a faintly more often v than w thing to do


vote: cape

for the aforementioned reasons, they had kept responding jokingly to other people but not to me and i legit thought they'd maybe gotten nerves and not been sure how to reply and then been like oop it's been too long i'll pretend it didn't happen


Do you wanna be in my pocket?
been here explained this

damn this post made me half convinced zack was actually playing and it stuck in my brain and i had to check to make sure

sad
just included for the sake of completion

i can confirm i wasn't lying; i didn't remember the playerlist very well heading into this and so i got confused afterwards when i was away from the thread because i was like wait is zack in? that would be hype but i feel like i would have remembered seeing his name

[Cuthillius]

Oh sorry I was trying to help.

Continue.

all good

[katze]

Day 1: Final tally

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya


Cape90 has been lunched! He flips vanilla town!

SOD2 in 24 hours. NA due in 23 hours. (use Raskolnikov#5968 on discord or PMs here)


EOD2 update.

End day tally


Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender


Tie resolved randomly

Visor has been chopped! He flips town vigilante!

EnderWiggin has also died! He flips town motion detector!

SOD3 in 21h50 minutes roughly. NAs due one hour before.

glglgl


EOD3 update.

End day tally


Insomnia(1): SilverKeith
SilverKeith(3): Insomnia, Cuthillius, Winston

Not voting(3): Benneh, katze, Achro

SilverKeith has been chopped! He desn't flip vanilla town!

He flips mafia goon!


SOD4 is the 8th of august 6PM EST.

Send in NAs etc etc

glglgl

quoting for stuff

[Achro]

Can we erase everyone's memories but my social knowledge and start over. I feel like I would fit in better now lol

[katze]

Can we erase everyone's memories but my social knowledge and start over. I feel like I would fit in better now lol

ok

why did i just get stuck into a literal coinflip game what the fuck i didnt sign up for this

[Achro]

ok

why did i just get stuck into a literal coinflip game what the fuck i didnt sign up for this

This bit is a lot funnier when I know your alignment tbh. I really do stress too much lol

[katze]

lmao

i expect to go a bit insane but i'm just writing everything out instead of doing it all in my head or in notepads because

well, actually i dont know. it just feels right

there's no point not having all cards on the table i suppose

[Achro]

lmao

i expect to go a bit insane but i'm just writing everything out instead of doing it all in my head or in notepads because

well, actually i dont know. it just feels right

there's no point not having all cards on the table i suppose

This is what I do all the time.

*looks at thread*

My mind is a fun place.

[nebjiamn]

agreed

plus now i can laugh at you if you fuck it up

[katze]

i thought they were memeing at first and when they kinda sorta kept the claim after others engaged w/ it i just figured they realized they did something dumb and decided not to fully rescind but no i didnt believe it

speaking of which: fuck you

lmao. yeah, i'm uh. not sure why that happened. it felt needed. i need to stop doing stupid things like this.

sorry, i do actually think it only brought bad. im glad i kinda can get away with being a dumbass because "i dont believe you but [this isnt outing]" is... well, i shouldnt really need to have that treatment

just ripping that one off cause ive felt pretty bad about it

[nebjiamn]

speaking of which: fuck you

lmao. yeah, i'm uh. not sure why that happened. it felt needed. i need to stop doing stupid things like this.

sorry, i do actually think it only brought bad. im glad i kinda can get away with being a dumbass because "i dont believe you but [this isnt outing]" is... well, i shouldnt really need to have that treatment

just ripping that one off cause ive felt pretty bad about it
polarized tbh

[Achro]

speaking of which: fuck you

lmao. yeah, i'm uh. not sure why that happened. it felt needed. i need to stop doing stupid things like this.

sorry, i do actually think it only brought bad. im glad i kinda can get away with being a dumbass because "i dont believe you but [this isnt outing]" is... well, i shouldnt really need to have that treatment

just ripping that one off cause ive felt pretty bad about it

Katze eyes only.
you are a nerd but not the point. mafia likely does not have an rb if you aren't bg which is why cuth and benneh didn't believe you. Although also you probably do stupid shit too much I wouldn't know.

[Cuthillius]

i think i've forgotten how to play werewolf

i wanted to snapvote ladd for his first (?) post last night but i don't want to do that any more

katze is, as ever, too self-aware for their own good

achro calling rvs "drivel" made me guffaw a little in a good way

i feel like the thread is moving a particular way around achro but i haven't quite put a pin on it yet

but i do think there's something there
looking back, i think i wanted to snap ladd for his opening reads post being like cape/achro both v (which is an easy and yawny read to make there, not in that it's correct, but in that they're easy to push later on and idk just general playerlist positioning), but mostly also him being like "cuth seems fine so far" when i'd done absolutely nothing villagery lol

but then i remembered that i always want to kill ladd off the bat and decided to wait to see how visor/benneh reacted to his posts

katze is performative in a very similar way to how i am-- we're both really conscious of how we're presenting ourselves to other people in particular ways, and there were posts that i looked at and were like this is substantive somehow but not something that can be read off of that

wrt the thread moving around achro i meant that he was in the weird position in this sort of playerlist where it's easy for people to start w-reading him but like it felt like there was indirect stuff happening

like people interacting with or reading his slot rather than him, if that makes sense

what % satirical is this?
this was actually a serious question, because kinda similar to the ladd thing but kinda different katze was saying they were considering cape/achro w/w and that's also an easy and lazy take and i guess that sort of thing always bothers me because i would expect people to generally be more cautious about how they approach reading slots like those in games like these

vote:katze
then i voted you for more or less the same sorts of reasons

focus just felt weird and not super villagery

my best case on cape is that they were shitposting with me and then they just didn't respond at all when i responded a little acerbically and a part of me ~strongly feels that that could be a nervous wolf thing to do lol because you're scared to answer weirdly and get my attention but it's rvs so you can get away with not engaging

but i don't love how people are treating the slot otherwise so i've been cooling on that recently
explaining the above but noting how people like ladd/kat treat cape (along with achro) in a weird way gave me a little ick and it felt to some extent like the way people would start out the game treating lhf-y slots

not that i thought they were doing that per se just the prevalence of that in the thread made me cautious in that respect

vote:visor

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak
i voted visor since he felt kinda mechanical and unengaged, idk

katze thoughts on visor/insomnia/ladd?
insomnia because he was also doing the soft cape defending thing he kept up kinda all phase

visor because he seemed a bit wooden

ladd for aformentioned reasons

asking you because i wanted to pin down what you were actually thinking a bit more and none of them were ones that were necessarily easy answers

[Cuthillius]

ok

why did i just get stuck into a literal coinflip game what the fuck i didnt sign up for this

just put two bowls of chicken in front of yourself with lil stickers on the bottom or something and shuffle em up

ez dollars

[katze]

polarized tbh

chupie

(i think wolves probably have something to deal with the MD and vig regardless, the claim was more calculated than a usual me being dumb moment but me actually COMMITTING to it was. not.)

[Cuthillius]

chupie

(i think wolves probably have something to deal with the MD and vig regardless, the claim was more calculated than a usual me being dumb moment but me actually COMMITTING to it was. not.)

(they know don't even worry about it)

[nebjiamn]

Katze eyes only.
you are a nerd but not the point. mafia likely does not have an rb if you aren't bg which is why cuth and benneh didn't believe you. Although also you probably do stupid shit too much I wouldn't know.
almost certainly incorrect

mafia almost has to have an RB and more likely its in the form of a jailkeep

there is zero shot rask gives village a MD and a full vig to such simple mafia power like 1x poisoner. a firefighter/backup would be good as a PR but only as a 3rd role IMO

another reason katz claim had to be fake after SK's death since he was a goon and the wolves need 2 PRs for this to be balanced in some way and a RB/JK is the only thing that makes sense thta i can think of

#setupspec

[Achro]

almost certainly incorrect

mafia almost has to have an RB and more likely its in the form of a jailkeep

there is zero shot rask gives village a MD and a full vig to such simple mafia power like 1x poisoner. a firefighter/backup would be good as a PR but only as a 3rd role IMO

another reason katz claim had to be fake after SK's death since he was a goon and the wolves need 2 PRs for this to be balanced in some way and a RB/JK is the only thing that makes sense thta i can think of

#setupspec

Oic. Don't know the host or 13ers that well. Thanks.

[nebjiamn]

kat would be a 3rd pr (and a pretty strong one tbh, on top of the full vig) to a what seems to be weak wolf power overall

just couldn't be imo

[Achro]

kat would be a 3rd pr (and a pretty strong one tbh, on top of the full vig) to a what seems to be weak wolf power overall

just couldn't be imo

Ah but they claimed rbed last night so I thought maybe it was 3 v 2 but when they claimed rb wolves would know it was fake cause they don't have one.

But maybe they still do idk

[nebjiamn]

at the end of the day you also have to remember that kat is not reformed

[katze]

EOD2 update.

End day tally


Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender


Tie resolved randomly

Visor has been chopped! He flips town vigilante!

EnderWiggin has also died! He flips town motion detector!

SOD3 in 21h50 minutes roughly. NAs due one hour before.

glglgl


EOD3 update.

End day tally


Insomnia(1): SilverKeith
SilverKeith(3): Insomnia, Cuthillius, Winston

Not voting(3): Benneh, katze, Achro

SilverKeith has been chopped! He desn't flip vanilla town!

He flips mafia goon!


SOD4 is the 8th of august 6PM EST.

Send in NAs etc etc

glglgl
so the thing is

benneh/achro cannot be the team

which means that in F7 keith was voted by a wolf at a point. and that day ended up pretty scuffed so idk how to super read into the vc on its own

what does that mean for the D2 vc tho

im flat out disregarding cuth/achro and if thats wrong then it's wrong but i don't think benneh or winston are going to... particularly disagree with that logic?


cuth/benneh

Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender


cuth/winston

Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender

achro/winston

Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender




more to come but dog desires attention

[Achro]

at the end of the day you also have to remember that kat is not reformed

At the end of the day I don't even know what kat is reforming from so fair enough lol

[Cuthillius]

ok but could you write more words


or just explain your ladd reasoning more and then talk about the dya vote

your call

ebay
i was trying to get people to engage in discussion about and give takes on people who weren't in the obvious poe/lhf-y group from the start, but y'all kept not responding lol

it was kinda annoying

vote with me you won't

also, thoughts on the term "omgut"?
telling cape to vote with me on visor

again just trying to get some sort of commitment/interaction out of it

sk/winston/dya eyes emoji?
i think dya had like 4 posts and the others 0, idk why i made this post it wasn't even funny at the time

that said in retrospect it's gotten better

ender whose body of work (of the people who have posted more) has made you been like oooh the most

and whose has made you been like mmmh the most
i think maybe part of my issue was that i kept trying to engage with people who were prs and thus playing things more to the chest than they would have been (and katze) and so they were reticent

like in retrospect that's a lot of why i was so suspicious of visor d1

i was just reading it as having a hard time getting comfy and lack of organic-ness rather than them being guarded

[Cuthillius]

lmao ok

a couple things

what do you mean by "in no particular order"

and also i just mean not like taffy or dya or someone

but also could you please justify what makes you be like oooh or mmh about whomever you talk about


this thread feels stifling right now


i'll bite

what about it is towny

all of these posts were directed at ender

i previously had asked the question, which was super softball, just like what stood out to him

and he just said two names

and then i asked him to clarify and he was like no

and after the similar interaction with katze earlier i was just frustrated because not many people were posting and i wanted to real-time and chat and have a good time but every time i tried to talk to one of the people who was there they would basically stonewall lol

iirc ender straight up said something along the lines of "because" to that last question

and i just gave up and went to bed

which was probably good in the grand scheme of things but didn't feel good

[Achro]

I have made a meme.

26593

[nebjiamn]

I have made a meme.

26593
dont host them on the org otherwise they're teeny tiny like this one

[Cuthillius]

dont host them on the org otherwise they're teeny tiny like this one

Thumbnails:

[Achro]

I keep trying to link it to a site and it says it's invalid.

Idgi

[nebjiamn]

thumbnails are for losers with bad internet servi--

wait keep the thumbnails

[Achro]

thumbnails are for losers with bad internet servi--

wait keep the thumbnails

26595

I don't know why it won't accept my jpg links but it isn't my internet.

[nebjiamn]

26595

I don't know why it won't accept my jpg links but it isn't my internet.
you havea discord notification from wolf chat

please answer it

[Achro]

But it's from you why did you vote me you fucking nerd

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally:

Achro(2): Cuth, Benneh
Cuth(2): Achro, Winston

Katze, you have a bit less than 2 hours to vote. (or I will kill someone at random :curtain:)

glgl

[katze]

lettuce look at the dead villas

insom uh. he didnt have time it looks like to SOLVE the game (rask wolfsiding!!!!!) so uh. idk lol. he did call cuth just villa a bit before eod but i think earlier he also said similar about achro

taffy would probs vote achro here but kinda hard to say cuz it looks like it was mostly off visor being maf

visor would definitely lean achro

ender looks like they'd vote cuth

dya i think had cuth as a stronger town

ladd i think had both as hard town but seemed to be warier of achro cause of me

cape also seemed to prefer cuth






looks like i have ppl to blame if i get it wrong

[katze]

that was my 420th post apparently

so much for lowposting

[katze]

god i really do feel like winston is just a villager though

i also feel like achro is pretty villagery but im obviously a bit more hesitant

keith knew he was dying yesterday

[Cuthillius]

god i really do feel like winston is just a villager though

i also feel like achro is pretty villagery but im obviously a bit more hesitant

keith knew he was dying yesterday

yeah but their (sk/winston) most unpartnered interactions are from yesterday

winston's posts on sk before were legitimately super slimy

[Achro]

Taking any feedback or is this Katze's corner?

[Cuthillius]

Taking any feedback or is this Katze's corner?

lemme guess you think you're a villager

[Cuthillius]

like winston was taking every opportunity to v-read sk lmao without actually backing it up

but not in an obvious way or in a way that really put his neck out there

specifically him calling sk v off of wagons was bizarre

and insisting that wolves would never not all vote visor

(editor's note: he was right lmao)

[Achro]

Nah. I think winston is a villager.


I think winston is funny and have liked their style so my current poe is made of all the ppl I've had nothing to say about (Visor/Benneh/Ender/Insom) + Taffy who has apparently posted and I should prolly read.


So stuff like this is meant to jive with Winston's world view. Winston I have learned isnt really big on tells or anything. Sk saying 'hey. You are funny and got style' will naturally warm someone up to winston rather than my walls.

Also I was suspicious of winston at sod but I felt disarmed when their explanation on sk was 'well I was drunk I forgot' lmao. I went snd checked and it is because sk was low posting when I asked day 1. It feels very uninformed. There is no burden there from winston. Winston is just trying to make sure low hanging fruit doesn't get diced because winston wants to protect people imo. It felt like a very pure reason to not want to kill sk and also winston chose to engage dya on sk instead of ignoring it. Just feels super pure. Uninformed.

[Cuthillius]

Nah. I think winston is a villager.




So stuff like this is meant to jive with Winston's world view. Winston I have learned isnt really big on tells or anything. Sk saying 'hey. You are funny and got style' will naturally warm someone up to winston rather than my walls.

Also I was suspicious of winston at sod but I felt disarmed when their explanation on sk was 'well I was drunk I forgot' lmao. I went snd checked and it is because sk was low posting when I asked day 1. It feels very uninformed. There is no burden there from winston. Winston is just trying to make sure low hanging fruit doesn't get diced because winston wants to protect people imo. It felt like a very pure reason to not want to kill sk and also winston chose to engage dya on sk instead of ignoring it. Just feels super pure. Uninformed.

sk didn't need to make winston warm up for him winston loved him from the get-go

[Achro]

sk didn't need to make winston warm up for him winston loved him from the get-go

Maybe so. But both ladd and ender, very good players, liked him too and they are dead town. Sk is a good player. It is natural some town will like him. We know for sure several did at least for a bit. Winston is more relaxed than say myself or ladd. They aren't constantly re evaluating everything. They had a katze tunnel for 4 days.

[Achro]

Sk saying katze bad a few times was music to Winston's ears lmao.

Kind of simple when you boil it down.

[Cuthillius]

Maybe so. But both ladd and ender, very good players, liked him too and they are dead town. Sk is a good player. It is natural some town will like him. We know for sure several did at least for a bit. Winston is more relaxed than say myself or ladd. They aren't constantly re evaluating everything. They had a katze tunnel for 4 days.

yeah but they actually had believable reasons to call sk v

winston literally didn't at any point

[Achro]

yeah but they actually had believable reasons to call sk v

winston literally didn't at any point

Yeah. Being uninformed sucks. If winston was sk's wolf buddy he probably is more careful.

[Cuthillius]

Yeah. Being uninformed sucks. If winston was sk's wolf buddy he probably is more careful.

that's what i'm saying though it was always really tentative and weak but still boosting sk until d3 when he suddenly hard v read him for an absolutely bs reason

[Cuthillius]

also, you wouldn't know

[Achro]

that's what i'm saying though it was always really tentative and weak but still boosting sk until d3 when he suddenly hard v read him for an absolutely bs reason

Sure. But the problem becomes the team then. You are supposing a world where winston gives this type of read to a team mate but is then able to treat me with a lot of nuance and introspection? Get into a fake fight to begin the day? All of that theater and I wouldn't have helped winston fake a believable progression on sk? It doesn't make sense. It would need to be two different Winstons and there's only the one.

[Cuthillius]

Sure. But the problem becomes the team then. You are supposing a world where winston gives this type of read to a team mate but is then able to treat me with a lot of nuance and introspection? Get into a fake fight to begin the day? All of that theater and I wouldn't have helped winston fake a believable progression on sk? It doesn't make sense. It would need to be two different Winstons and there's only the one.

yes?

[Achro]

yes?

Well if that is Katze's answer then nothing I can do about that. I will find out soon I suppose.

[Cuthillius]

Well if that is Katze's answer then nothing I can do about that. I will find out soon I suppose.

like literally that's not unusual

also sk barely posted until eod1 and then was gone a good chunk of early d2 as well

of course there's gonna be a difference in how winston reads you two lmao

[Achro]

I believe this is a fair response independent of knowing how I lead wolf teams so I am going to say 'ok'

[Cuthillius]

sweet

glad they had you to lead them

[katze]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.


why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.


I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.


i'll bite

what about it is towny


Hello SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.

102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?

As for Taffy first off way to shade my town sorting process, but also most would agree with the process I use to sort townirs being as you described so fair.

Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.

Now if this is stuff Taffy does all the time as a wolf someone will have to let me know.

Hmm

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.

Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.

If Taffy does this type of thing as a wolf with proof then they haven't done much else and fair, but it would for sure never be my first thought to think wolf.

Wall was ok although not out of sk's scum range and catchup walls are kind of the easiest thing to fake. Good look if I am wrong about Taffy though as sk could have easily pivoted to me instead.


Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.

I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.

Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.

So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.

vote:silverkeith

Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.


This is your second post and you have no content. Is this a joke vote and if not what have you not liked about katze so far? Do you enjoy playing mafia or are you here for the experience? Do I know you by another name?

Thanks if and when you get to these questions.


Winston is probably always town for mindmelding with me about Katze's posts but saying it a different way. Katze did indeed feel like they were managing image a lot. It doesn't make katze wolf but I think observing that quietly does make Winston town.

pt1

[Achro]

It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

Lmao winston is so uninformed I am sorry but this is just so cute and paranoid omg

[Achro]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

This is the type of post from someone like winston that if you think it came from a wolf people make fun of you for it post game.

I get voting me I am a villain but winston as my only partner is very lmao imo

(I have been saying this for awhile now recency bias)

[Achro]

Only two kinds of town chop Achro today:

i) a brilliant one

ii) a foolish one

Based.

[Achro]

pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here

just for the joy

This is sickeningly uninformed lol. 'Anyone but my scum buddy snd I would have joined you' is really reaching to the moon


Defending another person is fun tbh

[nebjiamn]

achro stop defending wolves broham

[Cuthillius]

achro stop defending wolves broham

that's what i'm saying

[Achro]

achro stop defending wolves broham

It would be funny if it was winston/cuth and winston faked rng both lylo days to bus to set up a f3 win.

If you are town I guess thats a very spooky thought 4 you

[katze]

Personally if I were in Katie's position as a town slot I woukd be a bit curious why SK and I both as wolves but voted Taffy and along with that didn't make any comment about our pairing being unlikely.

The fact katze thinks of that in relationship to Taffy intuitively but Keith in a big wall doesn't think about it at all along with the fact that walls are pretty easy makes me start to think more than they were just faking their thoughts. Would love to hear Keith's thoughts on the matter though.


My point is sk thought Taffy and I were wolf both but made no comment on how that pairing is weird while you did.

Also how do I see how many posts I have in a topic. I counted earlier lol


This is a town post and dya is a town who is having trouble getting into the game.

Let's actually go back 3 years in time to the last time I pulled scum sk out of my hat day one in champs and commit some metallurgical murder.


pt2



i can totally see the world where achro is like, alright imma distance with the goon and towncore winston (who is presumably a wolf PR in that world)

but i don't know, it's definitely like... hes borderline burying keith here, right? he's encouraging me to scumread keith more when my read on him was basically "not enough content, ask later"

but like, otoh, literally no villager at this point of the thread really Feels That. and that's not damning, this read on keith is more analysis than most of us were putting in this early and also had some personal experience in it. also SK talked about achro a lot so its absolutely reasonable to put more attention to it

ender called it towny, ladd called it towny

cuth questioned why it was towny i suppose. but that's different and can easily be him interrogating ender more than SK

hrm

i do kinda. feel like the SK wall is written to like, look towny... i'm toying with the idea of it being partially tailor made to pocket achro (and failing) but its hard to tell since SK kinda dipped after writing it. that cunning bastard smh!

i also toyed with the idea of it being w/w because of the bottom line of the SK post being like, "haha im talking about katze and achro so much!" where he didnt reaaaalllllly talk about me that much but idk how much i actually believe this

i've seen w!achro kinda try to nudge v!me into wolfreading a wolf but in that case it was in a neighborhood and also not on day 1 and also someone i was wolfreading already kind of? yknow, in my hedgy hedginess.

the winston read is interesting, i know achro is a believer in village reading people who mindmeld with him but it is kind of funny (and concerning) to think that him/keith/winston is just him shielding his bros for pretty weak "mindmelds"

[nebjiamn]

It would be funny if it was winston/cuth and winston faked rng both lylo days to bus to set up a f3 win.

If you are town I guess thats a very spooky thought 4 you
not really

winston is all but confirmed wolf

the spooky thought is you/cuth tbqh

[katze]

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)


villas
ladd
benneh
cuth
dya


thinner villas
insomnia
winston


wanna say v/v, but there may be 1 here cause of game state
katze
achro

had as villagery at some point but back to null
sk
visor

PoE
taffy - mostly benneh sheep, blame him eheh
ender


hopefully just a wolf
cape90



feels SUPER lazy but its how i feel so nothing i can do about it. i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager lol


we'll see how EoD plays out


bbl

all im saying is every time im in xYLO and i look at a ladd reads list he was somehow right but idk he townread us all lmao

yes i see the achro/me dichotomy but im p sure at this point of the thread he thought the wolf in it was me not him

[Achro]

Tbh in my view the most unpairing thing about that is literally no one else gave a fuck about it but then sk spent a post breaking down the points and defending them when only I ever cared.

Maybe thats just bias but despite my efforts no one ever bit and then sk juked me. Sk made sure that the first thing he did was address my concerns and mold his world view to match more of mine.

Don't know if it is as obvious from a 3rd person pov.

[nebjiamn]

if i was a wolf i'd probly say something like:

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

so.

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

[Achro]

not really

winston is all but confirmed wolf

the spooky thought is you/cuth tbqh

Oic

[Cuthillius]

Tbh in my view the most unpairing thing about that is literally no one else gave a fuck about it but then sk spent a post breaking down the points and defending them when only I ever cared.

Maybe thats just bias but despite my efforts no one ever bit and then sk juked me. Sk made sure that the first thing he did was address my concerns and mold his world view to match more of mine.

Don't know if it is as obvious from a 3rd person pov.

it's not

unless you mean that you're both wolves

[Achro]

if i was a wolf i'd probly say something like:

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

so.

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

Man. I remember when ender hard defended dizzy from me and chopped me on syndicate and dizzy won in f3 when I had him nailed day 2.

Ender could read dizzy very well tbh

[Achro]

it's not

unless you mean that you're both wolves

Hey I stopped doing it to you.

[katze]

if i was a wolf i'd probly say something like:

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

so.

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

ladd and dya?

me finding you as a villager doesnt... really change that much for me anyway

[Cuthillius]

Hey I stopped doing it to you.

aight

to restate my point though the issue wasn't you calling me a wolf (obvs from your perspective i am) but rather the cute "i'm so impressed by your play you played REALLY well except for the time i caught you lul" and stuff

again it would already be incredibly irritating if it was sincere

feel free to state that you think i'm a wolf though lol

[katze]

benneh whens the last time u randed wolf lol i legit cant find anything outside of hydra games and old ass games

[Cuthillius]

what book(s) you been reading lately achro

[Raskolnikov]

what book(s) you been reading lately achro

Postcap will be reinforced D5 (if there is one :curtain: )

My F5 touch is broken

[Achro]

Katze, I am going to do a very stupid thing and be 100% with you, which will probably backfire but it's my game too.

Just vote Cuth. I controlled both days of LYLO. I made SK QUAKE when I said I was going to snap vote him. I made Cuth call me top tr over and over and try to placate me before snapping him early in the day where both days there is no need for any of this from w!Achro.

If you're going to be a paranoid person who asks what if's for another 50 minutes, just vote me, I'll say ggwp to the wolves, and I can move on and it's okay. I'm a great wolf player. I get the paranoia and the worry.

But this is day 4 with 50 minutes left. The only thing you're doing now is twisting and glaring at things again and again.

It's cuth. You know it's cuth. Deep down. But you don't want to be wrong. If you think I have snowed you, if you think winston has snowed you, then just vote me. But I am so tired of seeing town play lylos so much. I controlled every narrative since f7 started and if I chose this as wolf I am really dumb. But we both know, you and I, that I am not dumb.

Anyway closing the game and hoping to see f3 and not gg in 50 minutes lol.

(I am anxious)

[Cuthillius]

Katze, I am going to do a very stupid thing and be 100% with you, which will probably backfire but it's my game too.

Just vote Achro. I controlled both days of LYLO. I made SK QUAKE when I said I was going to snap vote him. I made Achro call me top tr over and over and try to placate me before snapping him early in the day where both days there is no need for any of this from w!Cuth.

If you're going to be a paranoid person who asks what if's for another 50 minutes, just vote me, I'll say ggwp to the wolves, and I can move on and it's okay. I'm a great wolf player. I get the paranoia and the worry.

But this is day 4 with 50 minutes left. The only thing you're doing now is twisting and glaring at things again and again.

It's achro. You know it's achro. Deep down. But you don't want to be wrong. If you think I have snowed you, if you think benneh has snowed you, then just vote me. But I am so tired of seeing town play lylos so much. I controlled every narrative since f7 started and if I chose this as wolf I am really dumb. But we both know, you and I, that I am not dumb.

Anyway closing the game and hoping to see f3 and not gg in 50 minutes lol.

(I am anxious)

[Cuthillius]

but i respect your decision

not mad if we lose here

idk if i'd get there in your shoes

[katze]

Katze, I am going to do a very stupid thing and be 100% with you, which will probably backfire but it's my game too.

Just vote Cuth. I controlled both days of LYLO. I made SK QUAKE when I said I was going to snap vote him. I made Cuth call me top tr over and over and try to placate me before snapping him early in the day where both days there is no need for any of this from w!Achro.

If you're going to be a paranoid person who asks what if's for another 50 minutes, just vote me, I'll say ggwp to the wolves, and I can move on and it's okay. I'm a great wolf player. I get the paranoia and the worry.

But this is day 4 with 50 minutes left. The only thing you're doing now is twisting and glaring at things again and again.

It's cuth. You know it's cuth. Deep down. But you don't want to be wrong. If you think I have snowed you, if you think winston has snowed you, then just vote me. But I am so tired of seeing town play lylos so much. I controlled every narrative since f7 started and if I chose this as wolf I am really dumb. But we both know, you and I, that I am not dumb.

Anyway closing the game and hoping to see f3 and not gg in 50 minutes lol.

(I am anxious)

apologies if it's frustrating, i'm exploring every corner before i cast a vote. it'd be unfair if i didnt. if im wrong i want it to be educated as fuck and if im right i dont want to feel like it was just a yolo yknow?

i feel for cuth and if i vote him right or wrong i want him to know why i did ig

...i did not expect it to take this long either

[katze]

anyway you're not gonna bully me into voting sooner than when i feel like im ready

im feeling the game as if you're a wolf before that happens

[Cuthillius]

i do genuinely appreciate the time and consideration you've put in regardless

i figured there was like a 99% chance the game would be over by now

[katze]

i do genuinely appreciate the time and consideration you've put in regardless

i figured there was like a 99% chance the game would be over by now

ill feel like a joycat(derogatory) if i do all of this, come to the same conclusion ive leaned the entire day, and its wrong

but thats a risk im willing to take and i dont think ill actually feel that bad about it

just islly

[nebjiamn]

ladd and dya?

me finding you as a villager doesnt... really change that much for me anyway

ya but now that i think about it i think cape is actually one of the better readers of me this game notwithstanding since i dont know what he read me as here


benneh whens the last time u randed wolf lol i legit cant find anything outside of hydra games and old ass games
moppo and pog anni 2020

[nebjiamn]

i legit cannot recall randing wolf in a normal game, its probably like 2016 for those

[Cuthillius]

voxx, newc, regfan, visor

this is the shortlist of people i am genuinely afraid to wolf against

because they can properly read me

maybe dobby actually but that feels like more a paranoia thing to some extent than a full on has a top tier read on me as a person

[katze]

winston flipping a coin and then letting his cat decide two lylos in a row is really funny regardless of alignment but also why

[Cuthillius]

winston flipping a coin and then letting his cat decide two lylos in a row is really funny regardless of alignment but also why

yes

[katze]

ya but now that i think about it i think cape is actually one of the better readers of me this game notwithstanding since i dont know what he read me as here

ack'd the two games

actual question tho: why does this matter

[nebjiamn]

ack'd the two games

actual question tho: why does this matter

it doesn't, i just like cape

he's a good lad

[katze]

it doesn't, i just like cape

he's a good lad

no i mean

why does it matter to me that you're town

[nebjiamn]

no i mean

why does it matter to me that you're town
i legit don't understand what you are asking here

[Cuthillius]

i'm gonna change out of my pajamas now

[katze]

if i was a wolf i'd probly say something like:

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

so.

consider that the two best readers of me both had me as villager itg

okay why did you make this post benneh

[Achro]

I closed it for a little bit I am proud.

I am not trying to bully.

Think of it like... a spirited and biased pep talk?

[katze]

I closed it for a little bit I am proud.

I am not trying to bully.

Think of it like... a spirited and biased pep talk?

i know your intent isnt bullying but

yknow, im not placing my vote until i feel happy with it, idrc what you or cuth say about it

[nebjiamn]

okay why did you make this post benneh
thats in response to achro's hemming and hawing about me being a lock wolf

[Achro]

one of the beautiful things about mafia is I get to talk to many people that I don't understand.

It has really broadened my horizons over the years tbh

[katze]

ah, there's the nerves.

and here i thought i would make it to the voting part of this eod without them.

[Cuthillius]

ah, there's the nerves.

and here i thought i would make it to the voting part of this eod without them.

lemme know if you want some more unbiased pep talk

[nebjiamn]

oh im reading back and pog anni 2020 looks the pathetic game where i died d1

there is another anni i wolfed on pog that i ran the entire show and we won d3 or d4, it must be 2021

[katze]

lemme know if you want some more unbiased pep talk

whoever gives the peppier talk doesnt get voted

(probably voting soon)

[Achro]

ah, there's the nerves.

and here i thought i would make it to the voting part of this eod without them.

I was trying to avoid that with the pep talk, I may be biased but I am also pretty good at mafia theory and best practices.

Good luck.

[Cuthillius]

whoever gives the peppier talk doesnt get voted

(probably voting soon)

my favorite kind of pepper is black pepper

my favorite kind of pasta is cacio e pepe

my mom used to put an insane amount of pepper in her cabbage dishes it was genuinely the worst

vote achro he's a wolf

[Cuthillius]

or let it rand

that would be funny

[Achro]

Uh, I am super scary but Winston isn't and they are a marshmellow of pure vibes

so vote Cuth

Also Pepper Potts is a funny name.

[Achro]

if you let it rand regardless of outcome I am going to be very unhappy lol

[katze]

or let it rand

that would be funny

that WOULD be gamer...

[katze]

if you let it rand regardless of outcome I am going to be very unhappy lol

and here i thought you believed in your luck! smh my head tbh!

(no id never let it rand lol)

[Cuthillius]

legitimately i actually pushed for sk and killed him

none of achro's case on me is valid

everyone who knows me townread me

i probably would be a lot more nervy and feel like i had to push back harder despite everything if i was a wolf here

winston's posts towards sk are vbad

it's been fun

[Raskolnikov]

Rand in 15 minutes :curtain:

[nebjiamn]

oh damn i didnt realize its eod

cutting it close nerd

[Achro]

and here i thought you believed in your luck! smh my head tbh!

(no id never let it rand lol)

3/3 is pushing it.

[Cuthillius]

genuinely i really enjoyed playing this game

if we lose here i'm gonna clown on town but not on you specifically katze

you and benneh made a lot of funny posts

i appreciate you all

[Cuthillius]

actually no i really enjoyed like the first bit and then this last bit right now

most of today felt like shit

[Achro]

genuinely i really enjoyed playing this game

if we lose here i'm gonna clown on town but not on you specifically katze

you and benneh made a lot of funny posts

i appreciate you all


Good effort through (hopefully) your finish line.

day 1 and 2 sucked

last two days were cool

[Cuthillius]

Good effort through (hopefully) your finish line.

day 1 and 2 sucked

last two days were cool

i mean it's my finish line no matter what

[Achro]

i mean it's my finish line no matter what

yeah yeah I promised I'd let you have it so fine.

[Cuthillius]

yeah yeah I promised I'd let you have it so fine.

though if you die and then y'all kill katze instead i will both laugh so hard and be so mad

[nebjiamn]

don't vote yet

i want visor to wait more time

[Cuthillius]

i claim town poisoner

[Cuthillius]

don't vote yet

i want visor to wait more time

i almost blogged this post

[Achro]

I am listening to one piece music

everything is fine. it's just a game.

[Cuthillius]

everything isn't fine. it's so much more than just a game.

[Cuthillius]

katze frozen

[Achro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0brPUu1H6vM&ab_channel=H2KLirik

great song

[Cuthillius]

this is excruciating

[nebjiamn]

i can only imagine how extra cruciating it must be

[Achro]

ngl this is why I cross early

I aint doing this to myself lol

[Cuthillius]

ngl this is why I cross early

I aint doing this to myself lol

honestly it was pretty fucked up of you to do that

[Achro]

honestly it was pretty fucked up of you to do that

Why?

[Cuthillius]

kat's consulting winston's cat

[Cuthillius]

Why?

i was being playful

but the stress mostly

[nebjiamn]

anyone else sick to their stomachs rn

taco bell amirite

[Cuthillius]

anyone else sick to their stomachs rn

taco bell amirite

actually kinda yes

[Achro]

i was being playful

but the stress mostly

Ah.

Yeah see what I did day 2 with visor reading

but now I have to decide the game

it's like

lmao fuck that if I am wrong just let me know

[Cuthillius]

Ah.

Yeah see what I did day 2 with visor reading

but now I have to decide the game

it's like

lmao fuck that if I am wrong just let me know

will do

you're wrong

[Raskolnikov]

EOD in 5 minutes. No pressure :joycat:

[Cuthillius]

katze actually wolfing

[Achro]

technically winston's cat already decided

[Achro]

so yes

consult the cat

[Cuthillius]

please vote achro

for visor's sake

[katze]

alright so

first off: i kinda regret everything ive done today. right or wrong i wish i just kinda placed my vote earlier and buggered off and let the other people have the final decision, or just be wrong on the spot in which case yeah

second off: i wish i gave myself more time. for some reason i thought eod was at 8, not at 6. that deadline creeping up is evil.

anyways, where im at:

achro has been manipulative as hell this f5 imo. i think he's been pocketing me, i think he's kinda put me in a few situations where the only "correct" options are beneficial to him.

i think cuth has been like, the purest motherfucker on the planet today. like i think pretty highly in myself when it comes to solving players IN LYLO and on that metric cuth is so blatantly the villager here.

i think you've both played incredible games regardless of the accuracy of the above reads. this doesnt need to be said but i am saying it anyway because despite it being unspoken it is doubly true here

[nebjiamn]

its a ruse

he gave the cat catnip

[Achro]

I mean, if we're going to blame visor might be worth ngl

[katze]

so... i type all of that out, and my vote is going to land on achro, right?








you'd think so

right now i am seriously struggling with winston being mafia. ive read through the prior sorc17 game here last year and... yeah if i get into it i DO think he was townier in that game? but i just... feel like he's still rly fucking towny this game

in my brain i do actually believe that the team makes sense if achro is on it, but the team can't have achro on it if winston is a villager. and i believe he is a villager

well okay i guess it can be achro/cuth but lol, no




and this vote isn't ONLY because i think winston is town. like, i do think achro has been incredibly villagery in this game as well. yadda yadda its in his wolf range probably maybe but i dont know. i believe him. i believe the words he says and there are disconnects but i

i can't bring myself to vote him for it. im typing THIS out and i feel like i SHOULD be voting him. i started typing this and i FELT confident i would be correct voting cuth here.

i don't. i really don't.

am i doing this because it's less bad if im wrong? no, not really, i think nobody will judge me if im wrong here really. other than myself ldo



um


yeah i don't know. i think benneh is pretty wolfy. i think he's fallen off the face of the earth since like day 2. there's... some moments where i read a benneh post and i FEEL like his villager soul is there but... ugh. it's not often enough. if i was right on him d1 and dropped it here that'd feel dumb



it all feels like it just makes sense EXCEPT the part where calling cuth mafia is easier than calling achro mafia.






that's some shit, isn't it. if im right then im punishing cuth for being a VAMF and if im wrong then im punishing cuth for shit he didnt even do lol

sorry if wrong. truly. it's not on you.

vote: cuth

[Achro]

alright so

first off: i kinda regret everything ive done today. right or wrong i wish i just kinda placed my vote earlier and buggered off and let the other people have the final decision, or just be wrong on the spot in which case yeah

second off: i wish i gave myself more time. for some reason i thought eod was at 8, not at 6. that deadline creeping up is evil.

anyways, where im at:

achro has been manipulative as hell this f5 imo. i think he's been pocketing me, i think he's kinda put me in a few situations where the only "correct" options are beneficial to him.

i think cuth has been like, the purest motherfucker on the planet today. like i think pretty highly in myself when it comes to solving players IN LYLO and on that metric cuth is so blatantly the villager here.

i think you've both played incredible games regardless of the accuracy of the above reads. this doesnt need to be said but i am saying it anyway because despite it being unspoken it is doubly true here

welp. I fucked up being honest lol

[Raskolnikov]

EOD4 update.

https://media.tenor.com/j_ebj5WAFukAAAAC/stop-causing-trouble-smudge.gif

End day tally

Cuth(3): Achro, Winston, katze
Achro(2): Cuth, Benneh


Cuthillius has been chopped! He flips mafia PR poisoner!


SOD5 is the 11th of august 6PM EST.

Send in NAs etc etc

glglgl

[Raskolnikov]

Start of Day 5 update

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/88/61/76/886176dfc6e3f746324e256fac542988.gif

katze has been killed! They were vanilla town.

EOD5 in 48 hours (or earlier :curtain:). It is LYLO, which means locked votes. Ping me here or on discord for hammer time.


Winston Hughes
nebjiamn
Achro

[Achro]

Winston. Benneh. Good to see both of you. I am leaning one way. Anything on your minds?

[nebjiamn]

evening

i'm off to a party but will have some thoughts later when i get back

[Achro]

I for one am glad we finally got rid of the last of the try hards, with just us three chill dudes this thread has really mellowed out.

Anyway going to sleep, talk to you guys tomorrow!

:curtain:

[Winston Hughes]

:Zzzz:

[Winston Hughes]

oh yeah, i have an even earlier deadline this time, probably about 8 hours before eod

[Achro]

oh yeah, i have an even earlier deadline this time, probably about 8 hours before eod

Heya winston. Got anything on your mind?

[nebjiamn]

alright now that everyone's checked in yall can vote eachother

[Achro]

alright now that everyone's checked in yall can vote eachother

True. We could do that in theory. What were those after party thoughts?

[nebjiamn]

real talk for a second but i have another bbq to attend this evening and then a flight to catch tomorrow around noon so i won't really have much time to dedicate to 'casing' much, whether that be wolf casing or villa casing myself

having said that, yesterday i thought would have made it easier because i've pretty much had the team as sk/cuth/X with x being winston/katze and some light paranoia elsewhere that has mostly been resolved. and with the good vibes i got from katze yesterday before yoling and giving them the hammer i'd have probably just said its always winston in this f3

but honestly rereading over yesterday and the game with everyones alignments in mind except you two just left me more confused. there's a lot to what katze was saying about how manipulative achro felt yesterday. i was feeling it too but i mostly shrugged it off because cuth felt like the wolf in that cross who was resigned to his fate. i thought that was obvious to both me and katze but i probably would not have given katze the hammer at the time if i knew they were as conflicted about achro as they were because, again, at the time, it just felt obvious

but maybe it was designed that way? SK was obviously dead meat the day he died, but i think cuth was equally done? and if im going to be a villager who doesn't just throw f3 i have to consider a world where achro and cuth designed yesterday to feel not w/w because that is exactly how it felt but its hard for me to imagine cuth thinking he wouldn't be voted

cuth danced around katze quite a bit. obviously they were trying to buy /earn their vote. in the world that winston is a villager, why doesn't cuth lean harder on winston the way they did w/ katze, especially given what winston mentioned was his early preference (achro/katze, who in this world would be w/v pairing)

in the world winston is a wolf, where is the alignment between cuth/winston? this pairing just doesn't make much sense in that way but maybe thats just winston?

achro has lots to look good for. overall villagery throughout the game but some questionable accuracy. lots of volatility in his reads and re-evaluations -- which i think probably means >rand v here given what i saw in the prevoius org game -- and again, the stuff yesterday looks unpairing with cuth

but there's the problem, cause i'm a villager and one of these unpairings is just manufactured and untrue

so anyway

i thought yesterday would provide clarity and give me confidence especially when katze was clear but i feel more liekly to want to enact winston's method of just flipping a coin here to decide who the wolf is between yall but i know thats super dumb and if i get it wrong i'll regret opting for that instead of, yknow, playing the game

but then i say to myself

counterpoint: its worked (so far)

[nebjiamn]

i also think it would just be super funny if winston is a wolf who 'randed' (whether real or not) his votes the last two days onto wolves and then i did it today and it landed on v!achro

it might be even funnier if it lands on w!achro but there's less self deprecation for me in that scenario so i'm not sure which is actually funnier

anyway im not doing that
maybe

[nebjiamn]

i don't really have many questions for either of you

achro cause i feel like you've answered most everything anyway the last few days and if i want to i can go read those novels

winston cause i doubt you'll post much anyway

and also i don't find that kind of stuff helpful to me in f3 as i believe the solve is already in the game thread up to now

but here and happy to answer questions until i have to go. i'm just gonna be rereading and trying to sortout who i think the wolf is and then try to muster up the courage to vote before i have to go to this bbq

[Achro]

Alright well. I personally think you should vote first. And if it makes you feel better we have the same eod wolf accuracy at 1/3. Winston is 2/4 and in the lead there.

Take your time. Interested to see where your vote lands.

[nebjiamn]

this post has gotten eaten 3 times and im trying again

achro can you talk to me about how your worldview changed after dya and visor flipped? they were a big part of your solve d2 and then 24 hours later 2/3 were dead and flipped v. curious on what your process was at that point more than the result but you can include the results too

specifically the part before EOD3 or votes though

[nebjiamn]

finally (this post will go thru with ease)

[Achro]

this post has gotten eaten 3 times and im trying again

achro can you talk to me about how your worldview changed after dya and visor flipped? they were a big part of your solve d2 and then 24 hours later 2/3 were dead and flipped v. curious on what your process was at that point more than the result but you can include the results too

specifically the part before EOD3 or votes though

Sure.

So visor flipped and I laughed. Because what else could I do at that point. I then reminded myself again that if I get upset then I am literally always wrong. Then I didn't think about the game for 24 hours. I needed time. I was confident my first post was going to be a sleep vote though because I just wasn't ready. Then opening happened.

Dya dying didn't really surprise me since my world view was already shattered and ready to start over minus liking cuth of the alive.

I remember as I started to think about the game really liking Katie's pov. They seemed confused by things. Them going 'wait I was starting to buy visor's pov lol me' when ender red checked felt very earnest to me. I felt they were pursuing the truth with how they handled things day 2. I thought that wolf katze also in hindsight wouldn't antagonize me so much day 1 when it was two villagers voting me especially. No need to draw my attention. I got jokes but sk drew my attention as an example.

I remember going through the eods and head tilting more and more at cuth's behavior. I had found you independently wolfy from visor and was compelled by cuth's posts on you as I read day 2. But then I noticed cuth's votes were very strange. Never on you. It was like he was doing everything but voting you. Felt wrong. I went back to eod1 and those votes were also strange to me. I detailed it day 3 but essentially I just thought cuth was incredibly not genuine as it related to his desire to see you hanged.

Got to insomnia because I compared cuth to me in terms of eod wolf play and thought it would be a good play. That was flawed for now obvious reasons but where I was.

Then sk said he was going to cross insomnia soon and uh yeah no. I immediately was like '?' Because I had read through eod2 recently. He and cuth had gotten into a knock down drag out fight eod2. So I was stunned he wasn't even going to make cuth respond to my case or respond to my own case on cuth. So I went back and looked at a recent sk wolf game and the thing he used to juke me is something he does as scum now. It was obvious at that point to me the two were paired wolves.

Then I told winston this and day ended early.

If pr poisoner was two use everything makes sense to my eye. The wolves wanted visor alive to poison him for extra kp and to shoot a town, probably me, and the bus cred on sk would be super valuable. Additionally it would explain why the bg claim was useless - katze had been attempted to be poisoned n3 but nothing happened rendering their claim moot.

Day 4 was mostly me trying to make it obvious that cuth was lying by asking direct questions where he contradicted himself a lot. Turns out winston didn't read that and katze wasn't swayed by more than a hair but we take those. I thought I did an excellent job against cuth but it was probably a bad style for the org. But it worked so maybe it was OK.

[Achro]

this post has gotten eaten 3 times and im trying again

achro can you talk to me about how your worldview changed after dya and visor flipped? they were a big part of your solve d2 and then 24 hours later 2/3 were dead and flipped v. curious on what your process was at that point more than the result but you can include the results too

specifically the part before EOD3 or votes though

Sure.

So visor flipped and I laughed. Because what else could I do at that point. I then reminded myself again that if I get upset then I am literally always wrong. Then I didn't think about the game for 24 hours. I needed time. I was confident my first post was going to be a sleep vote though because I just wasn't ready. Then opening happened.

Dya dying didn't really surprise me since my world view was already shattered and ready to start over minus liking cuth of the alive.

I remember as I started to think about the game really liking Katie's pov. They seemed confused by things. Them going 'wait I was starting to buy visor's pov lol me' when ender red checked felt very earnest to me. I felt they were pursuing the truth with how they handled things day 2. I thought that wolf katze also in hindsight wouldn't antagonize me so much day 1 when it was two villagers voting me especially. No need to draw my attention. I got jokes but sk drew my attention as an example.

I remember going through the eods and head tilting more and more at cuth's behavior. I had found you independently wolfy from visor and was compelled by cuth's posts on you as I read day 2. But then I noticed cuth's votes were very strange. Never on you. It was like he was doing everything but voting you. Felt wrong. I went back to eod1 and those votes were also strange to me. I detailed it day 3 but essentially I just thought cuth was incredibly not genuine as it related to his desire to see you hanged.

Got to insomnia because I compared cuth to me in terms of eod wolf play and thought it would be a good play. That was flawed for now obvious reasons but where I was.

Then sk said he was going to cross insomnia soon and uh yeah no. I immediately was like '?' Because I had read through eod2 recently. He and cuth had gotten into a knock down drag out fight eod2. So I was stunned he wasn't even going to make cuth respond to my case or respond to my own case on cuth. So I went back and looked at a recent sk wolf game and the thing he used to juke me is something he does as scum now. It was obvious at that point to me the two were paired wolves.

Then I told winston this and day ended early.

If pr poisoner was two use everything makes sense to my eye. The wolves wanted visor alive to poison him for extra kp and to shoot a town, probably me, and the bus cred on sk would be super valuable. Additionally it would explain why the bg claim was useless - katze had been attempted to be poisoned n3 but nothing happened rendering their claim moot.

Day 4 was mostly me trying to make it obvious that cuth was lying by asking direct questions where he contradicted himself a lot. Turns out winston didn't read that and katze wasn't swayed by more than a hair but we take those. I thought I did an excellent job against cuth but it was probably a bad style for the org. But it worked so maybe it was OK.

[Achro]

finally (this post will go thru with ease)

My post went through twice. Owned.

[Winston Hughes]

aye, the org is being really janky today

it's making reading back a pain

nevertheless, now i've actually been looking at what achro has been saying, and one comment that caught my attention said that my continued suspicion of katze (gg btw) shows i don't reassess my reads

which is entirely mistaken

as i said early in the game, it's a matter of probabilities

that i continued suspecting katze does not mean that i was convinced of his guilt, which is why i never made any real case for chopping there (which is not to say i wouldn't have chopped there - i would, i just wasn't confident enough to try and really push anyone else to do so)

the only exception was a brief period at the start of d4, before i reassessed cuth and benneh, whose apparent innocence effectively proved katze and achro guilty to me

indeed, the growing realisation (aided by a little light reading at MU) that cuth's tone is still radically better as scum than as town caused me to find katze townier, since he was no longer showing any effort to drive the game or manipulate people, which would have made no sense at all in the context of what cuth was doing

the way each of you was playing it, on the other hand...

well, there's the subtle approach or the crass approach

benneh, while i'm sure he's capable of throwing haymakers, during this game has consistently been gently nudging things around

achro, meanwhile, has engaged in some of the most overt attempts at manipulation i've ever seen in mafia

in light of cuth's flip, this can also be seen in the respective bussing strategies, with cuth/benneh hedging to try and stay in the sweet spot, whereas cuth/achro would be throwing it all down

(no idea where i was going with that, but seems i got somewhere close to giving actual content)

[Winston Hughes]

gah, this is intolerable

it's taking almost a minute to load a new page

[nebjiamn]

i don't think you could call what i was doing a hedge?

i mean, you can assign wolf poitns to it and i wouldn't blam you i guess but it wasn't a hedge at all. i was all in on a v!achro/w!cuth world yesterday

i was all in on wanting to be the hammer so i could be clear and earn the nightkill which i felt would make f3 much harder for the surviving wolf (whether that be you, achro, or katze) but as yesterday developed i felt a little more at ease with katze and also a little bit 'done' with the game and decided to trust them and hand them the hammer. i also thought this would make the game easier fmpov if kat was a v but it didnt really

idk, wifom and all, but i don't think wolf!me ever hands katze the hammer so they can clear themselves and put me in this specific f3 against you two. there was a lot of risk to it but it felt OK with how kat was posting yesterday and how i saw the worlds sharping out. w!me just doens't do pro-town stuff like that when i'm wolfing and whether or not you or achro is the wolf me ultimately clearing katze was very pro town

[nebjiamn]

yesterday

winston thinks its achro/katze
I think its cuth/x - x being between winston/katze
achro thinks its cuth/benneh?
katze thinks its x/benneh - x being between cuth/achro
cuth wolf doesnt matter what he thinks

if achro is a wolf, i think its likely he voted cuth with the intention that w!achro is the one who loses that thunderdome yesterday because
a) katze has suspicion on achro already
b) v!winston wants to vote between achro/katze already
c) although b is a 50/50 for achro to win, by solidifying a bus between him and cuth it looks VERY good for cuth at f3
d) even in a cross where cuth wins that f5, i don't think its suspicious if cuth is alive today whereas it would look very sus if achro was alive today at f3 after winning.

except: since kat was clear, they make sense dying and achro being alive does too. but achro could have no idea i was doing that.

the problem is this doesn't align with how cuth responded. achro kind of beat cuth up and while i think lots of those back and forths can look w/w it just makes more sense for cuth to try to be the winner here ultimately if this is the motivation achro had for voting first. the only thing i can guess is that if thats the team, cuth may have thought he'd be able to win over katze with his posting (and he apparently almost did, so c'est la vie if thats what happened ig uess)

[Winston Hughes]

i don't think you could call what i was doing a hedge?

no, it wasn't exactly the right word, but i couldn't figure out what was

if you'd killed achro last night, how confident would you have been of convincing katze not to vote you today?

[nebjiamn]

conversely

in the world winston is a wolf he came out pushing a v/v world to see what I would think of it and asked for permission to vote either achro/katze

there's some push back against that and winston then kinda dips outta thread but eventually returns to seemingly have his cat decide between bussing cuth or voting achro

since we're in a w!winston world in this scenario .. although id idnt pick up that katze was as close to voting achro yesterday as katzes last two posts show, its possible w!winston and cuth would have picked up on it and might have been ok with yoloing a vote onto achro there in hopes katze voted wrong. i dont think they could have expected me to vote achro there so they would need specifically katze

honestly this feels dumb deciphering whether or not winston's cat randing was real or not

its either real or not but one thing it does serve is allow w!winston to be less accountable for his vote regardless of how it swings. either its random so he can justify voting achro in that spot or it allows him to bus cuth despite how he opened the thread yesterday with his suspicions without having to really explain it

[Achro]

aye, the org is being really janky today

it's making reading back a pain

nevertheless, now i've actually been looking at what achro has been saying, and one comment that caught my attention said that my continued suspicion of katze (gg btw) shows i don't reassess my reads

which is entirely mistaken

as i said early in the game, it's a matter of probabilities

that i continued suspecting katze does not mean that i was convinced of his guilt, which is why i never made any real case for chopping there (which is not to say i wouldn't have chopped there - i would, i just wasn't confident enough to try and really push anyone else to do so)

the only exception was a brief period at the start of d4, before i reassessed cuth and benneh, whose apparent innocence effectively proved katze and achro guilty to me

indeed, the growing realisation (aided by a little light reading at MU) that cuth's tone is still radically better as scum than as town caused me to find katze townier, since he was no longer showing any effort to drive the game or manipulate people, which would have made no sense at all in the context of what cuth was doing

the way each of you was playing it, on the other hand...

well, there's the subtle approach or the crass approach

benneh, while i'm sure he's capable of throwing haymakers, during this game has consistently been gently nudging things around

achro, meanwhile, has engaged in some of the most overt attempts at manipulation i've ever seen in mafia

in light of cuth's flip, this can also be seen in the respective bussing strategies, with cuth/benneh hedging to try and stay in the sweet spot, whereas cuth/achro would be throwing it all down

(no idea where i was going with that, but seems i got somewhere close to giving actual content)

Ah, I have no idea how you play so fair. I only went off of what I saw.

Crass eh? Been awhile since anyone has called me that. I prefer to think of it as straight forward and persuasive.

Although I see no reason why wolf achro ever needs to bus cuth in f7 given the position we were both in. I do admit I do need to work on my marketing as town though, I do come off very mw ha ha ha villainous as town while I am charming as a wolf at times. I am working on being nice all the time.

[nebjiamn]

no, it wasn't exactly the right word, but i couldn't figure out what was

if you'd killed achro last night, how confident would you have been of convincing katze not to vote you today?
no idea

probably moreso than I would be to convince achro but less so than i'd probably think i could convince you?

hard to say