13er summer game thread

[insomnia]

Bc Cape is being sussed for things I've seen him do all the time, and you've been more generally agreeable which is how I think of you as a wolf.

we've played 1 normal xD

[Visor]

Time to CFD Ladd again ofc

[ladd]

is that "i wish, but hes town" or "i wish, but it won't happen"

I wish but he is a villager

[katze]

This is the same person who has said in the thread they were confident that I would probably flip wolf

KILL LADD WITH FIRE

vote: ladd

thats

post 110 of the game

he said he was growing confidnet you'd flip wolf at like

idk but it was pretty recent

wat

[Winston Hughes]

Time to CFD Ladd again ofc

:laugh4:

[Cuthillius]

vote: ender

Seriously.

[ladd]

This is the same person who has said in the thread they were confident that I would probably flip wolf

KILL LADD WITH FIRE

vote: ladd

This post happened before i said you were probably a wolf

[Winston Hughes]

ladd is my top town read...

:sweatdrop:

[insomnia]

vote: ender

Seriously.

this is incredibly wolfy for anyone paying attention

[katze]

cape is wolfing but its either as town or as mafia

the jury is out on that

hi winston

[Visor]

vote: ladd

Let's do it Winston :curtain:

[Totally not Taffy]

Time to CFD Ladd again ofc

No.

[EnderWiggin]

vote: ender

Seriously.

I'm PR you dunce.

[Cape90]

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.

i


i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.
am not

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.
lying

[SilverKeith]

vote: ender

Seriously.

hmm no

[Cuthillius]

this is incredibly wolfy for anyone paying attention

lmfao

[katze]

i


am not

lying
post 332 vs post 110

[insomnia]

I'm PR you dunce.

yep

[Winston Hughes]

vote: ender

Seriously.

yeah, alright

vote: ender

[Raskolnikov]

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender
Ender(3): benneh, katze, Cuth
insomnia(2): SK, Achro

ladd(2): Cape, Visor
Katze (1): Winston
Sk(1): Dya
Achro(1): Taffy

[Cuthillius]

vote: visor

[insomnia]

one of the most obvious things

[katze]

I'm PR you dunce.

factional kill locked in, time to get my mislunch on cape and this games smooth sailing

[Visor]

vote: cuth

[Totally not Taffy]

we've played 1 normal xD

Haven't we turboed together? Am I mixing you up with someone?

[ladd]

i


am not

lying

Thats ppst 330

You quoted me on post 100

Lol

[katze]

vote: cape

he said i was wolfy and then said i was towny

[Cuthillius]

vote: cuth

uwu

[EnderWiggin]

factional kill locked in, time to get my mislunch on cape and this games smooth sailing

Yer welcome

[SilverKeith]

i'm ok with cape flipping I think

[nebjiamn]

vc?

[insomnia]

i'm ok with cape flipping I think

lol

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm PR you dunce.

OMG it was already clear why would you spell it out

Vote: Cuthilion

[Winston Hughes]

:bow:

[Raskolnikov]

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
Ender(2): benneh, , Winston
insomnia(2): SK, Achro
Visor(1): , Cuth
ladd(1): Cape,
Cuth(1): Visor
Sk(1): Dya
Achro(1): Taffy

[Cuthillius]

exciting!

[nebjiamn]

i have another meeting after this and hopefully i'm not getting laid off but it sounds ominous lol

[Winston Hughes]

most enjoyable

[katze]

i have another meeting after this and hopefully i'm not getting laid off but it sounds ominous lol

would you rather be laid off or laid on

[ladd]

i have another meeting after this and hopefully i'm not getting laid off but it sounds ominous lol

Damn

[Raskolnikov]

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
Ender(2): benneh, , Winston
insomnia(2): SK, Achro
Visor(1): , Cuth
ladd(1): Cape,
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
Sk(1): Dya
Achro(0):

[Cuthillius]

vote:insomnia

[katze]

im glad we lunched the guy who was obv getting lunched like 2 hours into the game

glgl

[Cuthillius]

glgl

[katze]

my legacy is that im a wolf

[Achro]

lame day tbh

glgl

[nebjiamn]

glgl

to us and me

[Cape90]

insomnia
Taffy

dyachei
Cuth
katze
Winston

Achro
benneh
SK

Visor

ladd

[Raskolnikov]

Stop Posting! 5 minutes to meme about Visor.

[Winston Hughes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxueXf0thE

[Raskolnikov]

Day 1: Final tally

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya


Cape90 has been lunched! He flips vanilla town!

SOD2 in 24 hours. NA due in 23 hours. (use Raskolnikov#5968 on discord or PMs here)

[Raskolnikov]

Start of Day 2 update

https://media.tenor.com/U1mp5s7MXZgAAAAM/good-morning-minions.gif

ladd has been killed! He was vanilla town.

EnderWiggin has been poisoned!

EOD2 in 48 hours. No majority. Visor and I want to have the time.

Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Achro
katze

[Achro]

Could not even allow me the honor of being paranoid of that man after he let cape die. The wolves are monstrous.

Also hopefully ender tricked me.

I will look back later to see if I notice anything about day 1 that proves useful.

[Visor]

vote: achro

[EnderWiggin]

I was expecting to die so I didn't read the pages I missed lol.

I'm going to work rn but I'll reread and come back with thoughts.

[EnderWiggin]

Could not even allow me the honor of being paranoid of that man after he let cape die. The wolves are monstrous.

Also hopefully ender tricked me.

I will look back later to see if I notice anything about day 1 that proves useful.

Why are you hoping I tricked you?

[katze]

will probs not be super active today for irl reasons that are non alignment indicative and i will probably get annoyed if someone were to imply otherwise so please dont
EnderWiggin you need to hardclaim your PR and results if applicable asap
insomnia im probably sheeping you today and killing you tonight if we ML today, glgl

[Visor]

Kinda surprised how few people didn't jump off cape at the end but I might be overselling the doubts

[Totally not Taffy]

Also hopefully ender tricked me.

You want to spell that out for me?

Take your time I'm going to bed.

[Achro]

Why are you hoping I tricked you?

Because if you are town and poisoned that sucks.

I did no reading over night and didn't absorb much so I need to re-read

[EnderWiggin]

will probs not be super active today for irl reasons that are non alignment indicative and i will probably get annoyed if someone were to imply otherwise so please dont
EnderWiggin you need to hardclaim your PR and results if applicable asap
insomnia im probably sheeping you today and killing you tonight if we ML today, glgl

Katze's irl is definitely AI. There's no way they're a human!!!!

Also my PR info will not change the day much yet. I'm still holding onto it for raisins.

[EnderWiggin]

Because if you are town and poisoned that sucks.

I did no reading over night and didn't absorb much so I need to re-read

Ah, no, I'm a mafia that got hero poisoned by the dumbest town poisoner to exist.

[Achro]

Ah, no, I'm a mafia that got hero poisoned by the dumbest town poisoner to exist.

I mean poisoning robyn was pretty bad too.

And on MU they poisoned their MD N1.

Town poisoner on the mind.

Rip ender

[nebjiamn]

Ah, no, I'm a mafia that got hero poisoned by the dumbest town poisoner to exist.
well i'm not so dumb now, am i?!

[insomnia]

will probs not be super active today for irl reasons that are non alignment indicative and i will probably get annoyed if someone were to imply otherwise so please dont
EnderWiggin you need to hardclaim your PR and results if applicable asap
insomnia im probably sheeping you today and killing you tonight if we ML today, glgl

if you say so, even night vigilante in a game with a poisoner

idk why you’d even react like this tho, i had ender / ladd villas and had the same wolf guess as ladd did

[EnderWiggin]

Lmao. Anyway I'll read back and solve. At the very least I have a few ideas as to one of the wolves.

[Achro]

Ah yes the replies. I looked at that thread before but manually forgot about it since I only played once. Okay cool. Tbh not bad that I will only be capped for like an afternoon. But also not surprising that I will be capped lol.

Anyway 12 players let's see.

Town people in order of confidence roughly
Ender - like their world view a lot, feels chill and I can buy that they think self righteousness is a town tell for me generally (it is not it is mood dependent but this observation makes sense from the games he has played with me).

Taffy - I am. Fucking literal GOD at reading into votes on me being suspicious vs not and this slot is NEVER A WOLF. Phrased this way for maximum funny if wrong but until proven otherwise I trust my read on that because fr I am good at understanding thread position of myself.
Winston - good vibes. Like the katze sus because it felt solvey to me
Cuth - had a post I really liked earlier but I forget what now. But I will trust early Chris.
Ladd - chill vibes, like most of their thoughts we shall see if he leads us off a cliff.
Cape - god help me I think he is town at this point but not confident. Lots of talk about him being scummy tho so maybe a little thread spewed. Not sure not usually my type of read.
Insomnia - not much experience with this one but seems alright to start.


Not so towny 5

Katze - not feeling the MOJO but also willing to see what they come up with. Probably not bussing given reputation so if they bag a wolf today probably ok
Visor - I remember nothing
Neb - I remember nothing but felt compelled to put them here
Dya - starting to get bad vibes but nothing definite
Sk - see many posts above, but basically I don't think that wall post was wrll thought out and genuinely solving the game from an uninformed perspective. Felt like he was placing chess pieces instead of trying to form reads. Want to hear from him tho because it could be a simple misunderstanding on my end.

That's my legacy for now if I get capped.

My town reads are not all allowed to be right day 1 so I need to figure out which one is the imposter and figure out two below. Although I think dya had a post I really liked and insomnia had one I hated so hnmyes.

[katze]

Kinda surprised how few people didn't jump off cape at the end but I might be overselling the doubts


Katze's irl is definitely AI. There's no way they're a human!!!!

Also my PR info will not change the day much yet. I'm still holding onto it for raisins.


if you say so, even night vigilante in a game with a poisoner

idk why you’d even react like this tho, i had ender / ladd villas and had the same wolf guess as ladd did

i actually vigged ladd n1 (/s)

im reacting like this because cape was a villa, ender is presumably a villa, and im misclearing some1

glgl

[nebjiamn]

probably going to go back and reread later tonight with more info but i skimmed a bit after the flip and i was not a fan of silverkeiths eod at all

kinda hedgy on cape but no defense. i didn't like the insomnia wagon he spun up or how he was kinda ignoring ender despite ender being in his poe. i note he asked me for clarity on 'why ender' and also pushed back on insomnia about ender receiving votes for his eod posting

idk felt like undue scrutiniy on a poe vote maybe laced with tmi?

[insomnia]

i actually vigged ladd n1 (/s)

im reacting like this because cape was a villa, ender is presumably a villa, and im misclearing some1

glgl

but i read ender villa tho? how is he on my tab for wolfiness

[nebjiamn]

i actually vigged ladd n1 (/s)

im reacting like this because cape was a villa, ender is presumably a villa, and im misclearing some1

glgl
the #ladd-must-die channel can finally be archived

thank you for your service

[katze]

but i read ender villa tho? how is he on my tab for wolfiness

my pov not yours

[EnderWiggin]

probably going to go back and reread later tonight with more info but i skimmed a bit after the flip and i was not a fan of silverkeiths eod at all

kinda hedgy on cape but no defense. i didn't like the insomnia wagon he spun up or how he was kinda ignoring ender despite ender being in his poe. i note he asked me for clarity on 'why ender' and also pushed back on insomnia about ender receiving votes for his eod posting

idk felt like undue scrutiniy on a poe vote maybe laced with tmi?

What's the points about ignoring me? You do realise my post earlier was sarcasm right?

[katze]

my pov not yours

in other words im not docking you for being wrong on ender i dont care what your ender read is im docking you because im wrong somewhere because my poe is a flipped villager, a poisoned PR claim, and two other players; and i am considering that you are that somewhere

[EnderWiggin]

Katze is still up my top sus pre-reread.

Sk/Winston/Cuth all didn't have great EODs imo

I still think Taffy is town.

[nebjiamn]

I think winston is funny and have liked their style so my current poe is made of all the ppl I've had nothing to say about (Visor/Benneh/Ender/Insom) + Taffy who has apparently posted and I should prolly read.


why is ender a wolf?


The only thing I have to say about ender is that he townread me for my wall which sucked and he shouldn't know me that much to townread me for it but i'm biased about this.


yes.

Your comment seems to imply that Ender is a wolf who's jumping on the cape wagon to save himself.

but you actively believe cape is a wolf if I'm not mistaken

so I'm asking for clarification


What's the points about ignoring me? You do realise my post earlier was sarcasm right?
yes lol

see quotes above

it felt like there was a focus on you for defense despite him being in your poe

meanwhile i think he just kinda pushed insom outta nowhere?

it looks good if insomnia is wolf but without knowing fmpov it just feels off. maybe like a wolf wanting to be 'right'

similar with cape maybe

[nebjiamn]

oh i didn't get laid off btw
for anyone following along

but i did get some frustrating news in that meeting

[katze]

EnderWiggin

your sr on me is vibes based isnt it? i cant rly uh, help you with that. and my vibes today will probably not be great, maybe ill feel better tomorrow and my VIBES will be immaculate but meh, i might just ask if you'd be willing to truce w me for today and i can give you a proper burial at EoD
Visor

why achro?

also why are you a villager but this question is boring so if you give me a boring answer i wont rly blame you but while i am poking insomnia harder than i am poking you i am more actively concerned with your alignment than his
Achro

not a loaded question: why didnt you do anything overnight

[dyachei]

so sk is probably a wolf?

[insomnia]

tinfoiling achro / sk w/w because they both picked up on my lvl 0 wolfy post and stuck to it despite all the content out there

had a recent game where myself and a wolf partner pinged out a wolfy post by a villager in almost the same exact way

[Achro]

EnderWiggin

your sr on me is vibes based isnt it? i cant rly uh, help you with that. and my vibes today will probably not be great, maybe ill feel better tomorrow and my VIBES will be immaculate but meh, i might just ask if you'd be willing to truce w me for today and i can give you a proper burial at EoD
Visor

why achro?

also why are you a villager but this question is boring so if you give me a boring answer i wont rly blame you but while i am poking insomnia harder than i am poking you i am more actively concerned with your alignment than his
Achro

not a loaded question: why didnt you do anything overnight

I have multiple other commitments that consumed my time. I think it isn't that hard to find these commitments if one tries if you know me but that is all I will say.

[Achro]

tinfoiling achro / sk w/w because they both picked up on my lvl 0 wolfy post and stuck to it despite all the content out there

had a recent game where myself and a wolf partner pinged out a wolfy post by a villager in almost the same exact way

You were trying to kill my top town read. It isn't that complicated.

[dyachei]

You were trying to kill my top town read. It isn't that complicated.

your town read on me dropped precipitously last night

I wasn't around because EOD is at a bad time for me. Why did it drop off?

[nebjiamn]

tinfoiling achro / sk w/w because they both picked up on my lvl 0 wolfy post and stuck to it despite all the content out there

had a recent game where myself and a wolf partner pinged out a wolfy post by a villager in almost the same exact way
ya i gave this a thought too

the volatility of achros reads (e.g. his reverse on SK after wanting him dead up til EOD) also bugged me but i could see that being more town indicative tbh. thoughts?

[Achro]

your town read on me dropped precipitously last night

I wasn't around because EOD is at a bad time for me. Why did it drop off?

Can you quote the post? Last thing I did was say you were town for a post iirc. If it was before then it was because I hadn't seen you do much that pinged me and others had pinged me positively.

[insomnia]

You were trying to kill my top town read. It isn't that complicated.

ok, but i was doing it all day. why change at EoD?

thought i was ~fine, in your words

[dyachei]

Can you quote the post? Last thing I did was say you were town for a post iirc. If it was before then it was because I hadn't seen you do much that pinged me and others had pinged me positively.

it was like you r last post before EOD. you had me in the POE when i had been in your town before that

[insomnia]

ya i gave this a thought too

the volatility of achros reads (e.g. his reverse on SK after wanting him dead up til EOD) also bugged me but i could see that being more town indicative tbh. thoughts?

just saw that as ultra confusing, don’t know what to make of it

[nebjiamn]

Can you quote the post? Last thing I did was say you were town for a post iirc. If it was before then it was because I hadn't seen you do much that pinged me and others had pinged me positively.
i think there is confusion since you reposted your old reads list even tho its apparently outdated

[Achro]

ok, but i was doing it all day. why change at EoD?

thought i was ~fine, in your words

I hate trying to iso people on this site and that read list was off the memory of early day stuff. If I had realized you were trying to kill ender sooner I would have been voting you sooner.

[Achro]

i think there is confusion since you reposted your old reads list even tho its apparently outdated

Well yeah but in my post I said dya and insomnia flipped tbf

Need to review others more closely. I liked some of sk's responses but need to double check there.

[insomnia]

I hate trying to iso people on this site and that read list was off the memory of early day stuff. If I had realized you were trying to kill ender sooner I would have been voting you sooner.

bruh are you guys alright?

i’ve villa read ender xD i never wolf read him.

[nebjiamn]

I hate trying to iso people on this site and that read list was off the memory of early day stuff. If I had realized you were trying to kill ender sooner I would have been voting you sooner.
insom wasn't trying to klll ender tho

[Achro]

Am I alright

...

Maybe not tbh

Might be stretching myself a little thin here and remembering names and events wrong.

:dizzy2:

That's not a good sign. I am going to go rest. But before I do

vote:katze

They were having too much fun at eod for the clusterfuck that it was. I felt dread trying to get reactions for things (my wall start of eod explains why) but katze had the time to joke vote ladd and not really feel a lot of issue. Feels a lot different. I have seen katze town. I am not sure they know how to have fun as that alignment and 'it's ender or cape' is very wrong.
insomnia I apologize for getting things wrong. Were you the one that made a comment about the pr claim? Yes I didn't like it that much and I tr'd cape so I wanted you to die instead but people trying to kill ender (cuth was one I think) will get my eye more.

But I am going to go rest before I turn into more of a pumpkin. Be back tomorrow.

[insomnia]

idk what comment about a PR claim

i said it was obvious that ender was a PR after he claimed and that cuth was wolfy for voting him in that spot

[Achro]

idk what comment about a PR claim

i said it was obvious that ender was a PR after he claimed and that cuth was wolfy for voting him in that spot

Yeah I didn't like the obvious claim but also if I am mixing things up then yeah. Down with cuth and katze

Ok gn

[katze]

I have seen katze town. I am not sure they know how to have fun as that alignment .

lol

[insomnia]

feels like 1 in katze / achro

and then 2 in sk / cuth / winston / i’ll think of it later

[katze]

feels like 1 in katze / achro

and then 2 in sk / cuth / winston / i’ll think of it later

im a villager and achro probably is too but "katze is having fun and doesnt have fun as town" is a pretty enticing case i might have to reread my alignment

[katze]

vote: silverkeith

seems like i can sleepwalk another lunch

[dyachei]

vote: silverkeith

seems like i can sleepwalk another lunch

because it worked so well the first time?

like did no one else think it was weird that someone who wasnt post capped only showed up at EOD

[insomnia]

I've liked what Cuth has to say but not vibing with his votes

wanna check if im the only feeling like this post is incredibly strange?

[dyachei]

wanna check if im the only feeling like this post is incredibly strange?

i'd need to see the context tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Small note: links added in the OP for easier access. (VCs in my ISO ofc)

[insomnia]

i'd need to see the context tbh

you can click on the arrow and see :P

[Cuthillius]

wanna check if im the only feeling like this post is incredibly strange?

you're not!

[dyachei]

cuth voted taffy, achro, and ender right before that.

So like, not a crazy post. Though I was starting to think ender was a wolf when I read that part originally, so maybe SK had tmi

[Cuthillius]

cuth voted taffy, achro, and ender right before that.

So like, not a crazy post. Though I was starting to think ender was a wolf when I read that part originally, so maybe SK had tmi

i mean i was voting everyone

and i don't think i was saying much meaningful by that point

[insomnia]

cuth voted taffy, achro, and ender right before that.

So like, not a crazy post. Though I was starting to think ender was a wolf when I read that part originally, so maybe SK had tmi

i meant more that it feels like an odd thing to point out

like, i feel fine with someone’s posting and im that bothered about some random votes when they don’t matter that i write a post about it at EoD?

i don’t get the mindset behind it, but maybe his votes were that wolfy or something i dunno

[dyachei]

i mean i was voting everyone

and i don't think i was saying much meaningful by that point

actually, I disagree. I really liked your post about cape that came right before sk said that - you said something about cape's read on visor being one of the best in the game because visor wasnt funny enough

[insomnia]

why’d you vote ender, cuth?

[Cuthillius]

I've been cooking my brain in the sun all day i don't have many coherent thoughts right now

also in general i feel a bit lost and need to reorient myself in the game and reread some stuff

things made sense in my head at eod but the spools have unraveled overnight

[katze]

because it worked so well the first time?

like did no one else think it was weird that someone who wasnt post capped only showed up at EOD

i mean im not particularly unhappy with that eod so.. yes?

why are you snarking me when you agree with my vote

[dyachei]

i mean im not particularly unhappy with that eod so.. yes?

why are you snarking me when you agree with my vote

why wouldn't I snark you? I'm a snarky POS

[katze]

why wouldn't I snark you? I'm a snarky POS

...fair enough

bites u

[Cuthillius]

why’d you vote ender, cuth?

i remember at at least one point voting him because i liked the people voting him

and i didn't feel great about other votes either

at no point did the thought of pr stuff cross my mind but i usually don't really notice those things very well at the best of times

i think my subconscious tries to will mountainous into existence every game until it can't possibly do so

[EnderWiggin]

Cuth's posts 5 hours before EOD are actually just bleeding town. Especially the whole diatribe about wanting to engage but feeling locked out (sorry about any contributions I did to that, I was feeling sassy due to not-mafia things and probably shouldn't have channelled it so much into the game.)

[EnderWiggin]

i have also considered this fwiw

also that this is pretty distinct from what i remember him doing as wolf in a similar list here on the org last year. which isn't to say he can't have that range but just something i've picked up on and noted

but if we're wrong on cape and/or taffy he'd be my next best guess aorn and i felt like no one was really talking about him.

speaking of that taffy post feels decent and looking forward to see what else they post

Knowing what I know with Cape flipping town and me thinking Taffy is townish this kinda looks bad because it feels like trying to line up the most easily ML-able targets.

[EnderWiggin]

<3 <3

thank you for this post!

and no worries

glad you're playing too and good to see you around in general!

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

but on top of that when some of the people who like are in the poe and could be sorted are just refusing to elaborate or talk through their thoughts it's frustrating

I want it on record that I also don't enjoy this facet and actively try and work against it. Which is mildly amusing because I think I'm being accused of being closed off and encouraging it here. =P

[EnderWiggin]

idk man, i know you can argue why would he ever post like this as a wolf


but this reasoning for what seems to be a genuine villa read makes 0 sense to me



the wolfiest thing about katze is pobably their cape read which...I am not sure i follow


Benneh thoughts on visor?

...

I am struggling to see what was so non-sensical about that.

I have played a lot with Taffy and while it's not a 100% venn diagram, the games she gets heavily sussed early are often her town games. (She got voted out within 2 days in... all 3 of her first town games I think?)

Taking the follow on, initial townread because she was quickly becoming a consensus scumread behind Cape felt like a legitimately strong gamestate read despite it being early D1.

And I stand by that.

The Achro and Winston reads in that post I am reconsidering rn.

[EnderWiggin]

(And yes I'm aware that Ladd is dead but I wanted to clarify that still *shrug*)

[EnderWiggin]

visor has plenty

cuth has some

taffy has one

ender surely must do, but i can't remember when

I know I had some before I stopped playing with you in like 2014.

But recently? I actually think maybe 1 game on GITP. But I don't remember clearly.

----

I'm reading through this EOD and I think I can settle on Dya being town too. Which is a bold move for me tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

now for EnderWiggin, I actually just dont think he's posting like his wolf self, but he is posting wolfier, but I think that means he's town

hmmyes

This is probably the most accurate read on me lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Visor actually feels like his posts are wolfy at EOD. There's an encouraging tone to it that also just doesn't take centrestage yet.

[EnderWiggin]

this questions to benneh/cuth/winston/ender/cape (esp cuth/winston cuz they voted him in sorc)

y'all were all villagers in the sorc17 game i was wolves with ladd in, its eod1 again and hes being proposed as a wagon

how do you feel about that? do you think this is similar in correctness? does it feel right to you?

i dont have a village perspective from that game but i am like... really not feeling a ladd vote. but maybe im pocketed. i can be wrong. you were all there tho, i think your perspectives might hold value

I was one of your partners that game.

(Irrelevant results because Ladd died but anyway just amused)

[EnderWiggin]

Okay I have read up and need to do work, but before that he's an overview of my current state:

The Greener Pastures:
Cuthillius - Anger and frustration felt legitimate. Also like feels super oblivious in a towny way (the vote on me after I basically PR claimed)
dyachei - The read process feels more like the town-play I've seen. I shouldn't be confident in this but I am. Plus Ladd townread them.
Totally not Taffy - People treating Taffy like town!Taffy + The Achro "catch" feels like the kind of catch town!Taffy gets in her teeth and can't let go of.

There's a bit of grass here:
nebjiamn - As much as the tunnel on me felt single-focused, there's been a few thoughts I've liked.
SilverKeith - The wall and the lack of care for my read on the wall both feel like town-SK. His EOD wasn't great which is why I've dropped him but I liked his posts during my catchup.

Seeds ungrown:
Winston Hughes - Feels laid back in a reserved way. This is towards their wolf-play but their early posts were also very town for me, so I'm stuck at a crossroads on em.
Achro - I thought they were super town early but need to reconsider to see if I'm not being pocketed. Their first post today was... ew.

There's a few Weeds:
insomnia - I don't have a good reason for this read. I really didn't like their post about me EOD but that could be me not feeling happy of waking up to being tied for lead and being already grumpy that morning.
katze - I called it Vibezzz earlier. But I had this thought early on that they were constantly positioning themselves around thread. It never felt like they were forging their own path, or addressing things not brought up. They were just reverberating what was happening in thread and changing the frequency. Which is part of what I remember noting when I was wolves with them, but idk if this is the clearest/best case.

Absolutely Choked with Weeds
Visor - Chill Visor is chill. Except that his care for banter or interest in playing around doesn't feel very high. It kind of reminds me when we wolved together when we both got covid vaccines on the same day. We clearly won that, but he preferred to play a chill water redirector than any sort of other play. Not an exact 1-for-1 but feels closer than any other thing I can recall with us playing together.

[EnderWiggin]

I also admit part of my current worldview is a combination of POE and the fact that Visor/Katze works together really well as a wolf pairing.

[Achro]

First post ew but I was wondering if you had been pocketing me. We are the same you and I. (As are a lot of our reads)

Ok back to bed.

[dyachei]

I also admit part of my current worldview is a combination of POE and the fact that Visor/Katze works together really well as a wolf pairing.

i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

[katze]

me when i get back to seeing achro saying "hi im back but im also leaving"

cringe i wanted to wrestle a bit

but im done GAMING so uh

idk i dont have many thoughts i kind of want to complain about enders read on me but its not going to be productive so ill prob just refresh again in a bit and see if anyone wants to realtime and go to bed otherwise

[Achro]

me when i get back to seeing achro saying "hi im back but im also leaving"

cringe i wanted to wrestle a bit

but im done GAMING so uh

idk i dont have many thoughts i kind of want to complain about enders read on me but its not going to be productive so ill prob just refresh again in a bit and see if anyone wants to realtime and go to bed otherwise

I joined for you so go ahead. Beware a wounded magikarp though.

[katze]

i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

oh hi dya

i think in terms of players i could be paired with visor makes some sense like

if he said it was me/achro or me/you id probably bonk him in the head

[katze]

i dont think visor is villagery posting wise but i think hes playing similarly to last game i villaged w him

my read on him has probably been kinda weird cuz of that so

yea sure u can call it w/w i wont stop u
Achro okay if ur here uh

"katze is a wolf because they are having fun"

can you like

i want to say "never make that read again" but that sounds mean but its also something i want to be mean about but i dont want to be mean

cause its definitely a read alright

[Achro]

i dont think visor is villagery posting wise but i think hes playing similarly to last game i villaged w him

my read on him has probably been kinda weird cuz of that so

yea sure u can call it w/w i wont stop u
Achro okay if ur here uh

"katze is a wolf because they are having fun"

can you like

i want to say "never make that read again" but that sounds mean but its also something i want to be mean about but i dont want to be mean

cause its definitely a read alright

Ah that was a bit of a joke you see. Intended as jest. A light hearted comment. The real read is in a thread full of several people who felt like either something was wrong or were trying to move things you had time to joke vote ladd. It felt like you were standing there knowing perfectly well the day was killing a town rather than a town trying to do something.

I tried to signal a few times to thread I felt like the game state was really bad but not only did you not notice you kind of were joking. Which is fine I guess it's just a game but if you are town actually trying to solve and win I am not seeing it in your process or your results atm.

You can only do so many 'sleep walk through the day' posts before I as a town player currently losing start thinking you are literally open wolfing because you probably do similar things as town.

[katze]

Ah that was a bit of a joke you see. Intended as jest. A light hearted comment. The real read is in a thread full of several people who felt like either something was wrong or were trying to move things you had time to joke vote ladd. It felt like you were standing there knowing perfectly well the day was killing a town rather than a town trying to do something.

I tried to signal a few times to thread I felt like the game state was really bad but not only did you not notice you kind of were joking. Which is fine I guess it's just a game but if you are town actually trying to solve and win I am not seeing it in your process or your results atm.

You can only do so many 'sleep walk through the day' posts before I as a town player currently losing start thinking you are literally open wolfing because you probably do similar things as town.

fair enough, ig that stuck out to me and soured me on an already sour day for me

i did actually notice that you were taking issue with the threadstate, and i signaled back to you multiple times i was ready to veto a ladd yeet and fight you on it if it came to one. i guess that's not entirely what you're suspecting but you're free to look back and reread my eod between the lines/specifically on the less memey parts

i did a joke ladd vote because... it was funny and i can move my vote? worst case scenario it does nothing and best case scenario i find the reactions to the joke votes to be telling. i don't really recall having any revelations from the jokes, just a few laughs.

and sorry not sorry that i feel like today is very likely going to be a SK shrugyeet, maybe i'm wrong and we vote visor instead, maybe i'm wronger and something spicier happens, when this day phase started i was intending on making like 2 posts and closing the thread until i woke up tomorrow and every time ive come back ive told myself not to refresh the thread until a bit ago. still, that's my vibe of the gamestate right now, and i don't particularly mind

wrt results: i actually think this is objectively false, maybe this is a stupid reason but i believe that me and v!ladd having literally identical towncores (with sorta different orders) that we posted at the ~same time is like... either im a townsiding wolf, a wolfsiding wolf in a game where v!ladd is hella wrong, or... just town for that? maybe im putting too much stock into that because i know the answer but given we have 2.5 flips, of which i said at eod cape was being villagery (yes i voted him anyway and if you scumread that then FAIR ENOUGH) one being a very easy to tinfoil player i had ~locked town all game and one being. a player who was openwolfing harder than i was and then claimed pr. like

yeah i guess thats not GREAT but its not AWFUL!

as for process i think i am very findable on them but meh, willing to agree to disagree on that. i feel like you're saying that because of specifically my read on you and that wouldn't be unreasonable but i think you are the exception and not the rule


14/50

[Achro]

There are rarely one shrugyeet in achro games.

There are never 2.

I want a chill game too but if people want to shrugyeet again they can do it in a game I am not in.

Anyway will discuss more tomorrow. Eyes barely open.

[katze]

truth be told i dont think cape was a shrugyeet and i absolutely consciously kept my vote on him after his ladd push at eod and also thought he was actively likely to flip wolf for like half the day

i also don't tihnk my vote on SK is a shrugyeet

i am calling it a sleep vote because it feels sorta decided already

it would not feel sorta decided already if people had no reason for it

15

[katze]

if you'd like achro i'd be willing to extend my offer to insomnia (its basically a kingmaker offer) to you, where you pick the yeet and i kill you if it's wrong, but i don't think you fit my criteria for people i'd make that offer with right now since i feel like im one puzzle piece away from locking insomnia as either alignment and am trying to push him to find that last piece for me

and also you'd probably pick me because it's kinda funny and also you think im wolfy when thats my towntell

but if you can't tell i'm not particularly inspired to make a case for a player today, and since you intend on reading me off results then i guess thats me giving you permission to push that avenue harder

mayhaps i am taking this too chill but im doing my thing
dyachei you still around?

[EnderWiggin]

me when i get back to seeing achro saying "hi im back but im also leaving"

cringe i wanted to wrestle a bit

but im done GAMING so uh

idk i dont have many thoughts i kind of want to complain about enders read on me but its not going to be productive so ill prob just refresh again in a bit and see if anyone wants to realtime and go to bed otherwise

Do you disagree on my Visor/Insom wolfreads or just about your own?

I am happy for you to engage with my reads process outside yourself.

[EnderWiggin]

Nm I just read more and got my answer lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Nominally I think SK isn't a great pick. That being said I could absolutely be wrong on it. But for right now I don't think I am.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Achro going "omg same" is actually worrying me more.

[katze]

actually i changed my mind i dont feel like realtiming tonight im just going to go reread the game and see what my autistic ass brain decides to do with it



Of course you need not rush your decision. Socialize a bit. When you feel good about a pick take them off.

I removed dya because I feel I have a way to read them accurately where as most of this list I don't have the faintest clue. Except perhaps sk but I can't keep living off years ago success forever.


achro->SK
achro->dya


Oh I see. This is nai I think for Kat's range as both alignments so nothing much to say about that one.

Hello visor you have shown no problem sussing me early as wolf to get me to think you are being genuine. What's up

does achro really intend to only read me off of results this game

i still kinda viscerally dislike a lot of achros early postings but i don't really think i can put why into words still beyond "how does he believe the words he is saying"


didn't claim godread or anything with my vote

i am taking minor grievances on insomnia not picking up on a very obvious joke. what that means for his alignment who will know but im commenting anyway because i feel like there's someone out there who has some nerdy analysis on how not getting jokes when you ordinarily do get jokes is actually alignment indicative


i don't get the cape... resignment? seems ~fine and basically a guess atp

ladd my strongest tr. i kinda wanted to yolo visor v earlier but now it seems a bit blaze to do but i'll prob just ride it anyway.

katze seems better but i'm going to keep voting them so i don't look silly when they flip w

cuth seems good too

benneh is a villager


katze

You had a front row seat as towm before to the living hell thT is wolf achro's mind. What about my posts so far indicate to you that this is wolf indicative for me? Please be as specific as possible.

man this shit so feels like a trap question though?

my read on him to this point had cited the word "vibes" like multiple times, my front row seat to achros wolf game wouldn't mean shit here and if anything me being paranoid because i watched him bus his bros and post a billion times after a weaker start whichis not that far off this game is like

yeah sure its not something you should clear a good player for but for him to go onto making a big show about this just seems disingenuous to me and i know he later says it was mostly for reactions and he didnt like mine yadda yadda yadda but that doesn't really change the fact that i don't think that the world of "achro is a villager and this post right here is the start of him doing some reaction testy shit", i think if he's town this was a genuine question and if hes wolf then it was a trap question and either way he just eased it into a reaction thing later

on the other hand i don't rly think achro knows my towngame THAT well so i don't know if w!him really knows what to expect here. if he knew me better id say this is even worse but his saving grace is that the only game we've played together i was a villager and. it was not a normal game

subconsciously this might have been how i felt a bit in realtime


Where's your head at benneh

(And you, Winston)

anyway unrelated to all of the above. actually directly related. visor like, does not at all comment onit. he makes a post with a wolf team guess that includes achro and im sure if you ask him he'd probably say that might have influenced it, but like. hes literally NOT TOUCHING IT at all.

which is weird. and i know he would say "i dont want to deal with that shit" but man, there's like three wallposts of me and him spilling our hearts and hes just like "hey benneh, hru"


Fair read, I like it

and his next post is just kinda

in my current worldview its pretty laddavi.gif, maybe taffys a wolf and im GETTING SNOWED (VISOR LOOK I SAID THE THING) but i don't think they are and from my current view of the game the reads on taffy are like

"taffy is just town" -> a villager (benneh) expresses doubt -> ??? aligned visor shuts it down

worth thinking about i guess.


Sensing this is wolf on gut feel

AND THE GUY WE SHRUGYEETED EVEN AGREES. IM GONNA AVENGE U CAPE. maybe

i love u cape im sorry we did that to you i rly wish you just listened to me at eod but maybe that would have been worse cuz i thought u had good posting catching up until the final stretch

im currently pondering on if achro/visor is an unpairing or not because i am right now wanting to vote both of them but like. i also might think him flat out ignoring me and achros argument and just dropping a 3/3 solve with achro in it might be weird if w/w

but i guess thats not something id bet the game onyet


SK catchup wall

i have a really really stupid read that SK is a wolf for this post because he, instead of saying *who* he would say to the achro thing, he instead said "oh id just say someone i wanna play with"

this read is probably really dumb but idk it mkes a bit of sense to me???

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING


SK->(e)td



Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.

this feels pretty fkn villagery to me

in the sense that i could totally se it being one of those pretty posts a wolfwrites because it looks hella towny

id be very impressed if it was w/w with taffy and if hes a villager id imagine he's got good odds of being right and i agree with the conclusion anyway so like.

+achro
+++taffy

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.

Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.

same post

bold is kinda funny given what im thinking rn but also that second bit is...

"can you link me a wolf game where you do [what taffy did]

what does that... accomplish? SK is not taffy

i could probably find a wolfgame ive done that and if i posted it he'd say something about ranges, id reckon that probably applies to SK as well since hes just as good of a wolf as i am? seems weird and achro. knows SK.

um


achro->sk


vote:silverkeith

i think this is villagery vote timing

esp if SK is a wolf

kinda funny that two people (ender/achro) are townreading winston for. suspecting me.

im rolling my eyes and i guess since im posting this probably i shall say this.



im soulreading that achro, if town, thinks that i am a wolf but is trying to pretend hes unsure so i bus at EoD and then he buries me tomorrow

im posting this to fuck with your head

glgl

why does this post exist what the fuck me


ok

i think you're a villager here

and I really like your points on cuth

this post feels wrong to me which is weird because my first townping on dya was a similarish post where they were kinda appealing to ladd in a way that it felt like they hoped ladd was town and then here they are clearly stating they think hes town but idk

this might a medya thingbut im noting ti anyway


Ladd would be my strongest townread atm. Ender, Cape and Katze very lightly.

Nothing really pinged me in the first 100 posts outside of Achro, especially since I've now reached his post where he suspects Ladd for downplaying his abilities when that's exactly what he's doing himself.


if taffy sus read later


[dya] seemed a bit grumpy/not having fun from the beginning which i associated with them having randed wolf when not wanting to

but their recentish string of posts feels a lot like villa dya and their push on benneh seems like a classic push dya makes as a villager. don't really feel like they'd bother pushing on benneh of all people d1 as a wolf considering how little into the game they seemed to be

they would have just made a bunch of consensus-y reads and called it a day IMO


[insomnia] seems fine and probably has an okay view of the gamestate, nice post on cape

wouldnt be shocked if he is a wolf but it FEELS like he is a villager

im still not fully convinced dya isnt doing the bolded kinda even tho the benneh thing is obv the exception

again this isnt a today concern probably but... lets see

first read is light v on achro, then light v on insom, the latter being basically a reply to an insom light v read and the former being consensusish at that point imo

dya then pokes a few people (lightly on me, then on visor and ender) and makes no reads on any

then they drop the benneh wolfread, which is absolutely not consensus


he's just kind of falling flat rn. Town benneh usually does more solving and I havent seen that here. That said, wolf benneh tries to lead more and he's not doing that either. So I'm not super confident but he's not doing enough for me to v read him and if i don't v read him, he's more likely to be a wolf

and even this is fairly hedgy but its not bad


cape
benneh
cuth
sk

not in any order
this is their "who i would vote rn" list, cape is abso consensus, benneh is abso not. cuth also not i guess but i think he was floated a bit sometime before then... yeah i placed my vote and dya quoted it not that long before. could be coincidental but my read there was tinfoily and i did it partially because i felt like it wasnt consensus so sure

and then sk who at that point was probably kinda split

then they pushed harder on cape, poked visor in a negativeish way, agrees with a "achro is kinda villagery but not omega villagery but day 1 pass" read

then they hedged on cuth some (i think? looks like a bit of + and - from them)

continue pushing cape

and then pushing SK some at eod

meh

im getting AHEAD OF MYSELF but i find it easy to read "w!dya would just post some consensus reads" and then read their reads this game and say theres some parallels!

mrrrrrrrrrrr ok where was i


tbh i didn't even read the context that carefully

like i said, it was just something on the backburner that im not sure on rn. i still wanna lunch cape

this whole read on me is

its not great but it does kinda FEEL like v!insomnia words idk but it lik e so blatnatly falls flat on its face if you read the context? at least mostly? idk i guess i can see it as a thought that appeared in their head at some point that they didnt give much thought to and thn katze sus came up and theyre like "oh wait! i had something for this!" and dragged it out and honestly that sounds kinda plausible BECAUSE its obviously unconvincing
hrmm

i feel like insom is v much some1 who just wants to lunch villas as a wolf surely he could do better against a villa like me who just posts dumb shit all the time...?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfuck

i need to sleep on that one


insom


fuuuck me that's a big face...

:creep:

winston made like a borderline identical post to this in our game last year lol

ur a fun guy i will post more big faces at u.


i actually buy cuth's frustration and give him very small townpoints for it

oh this is dyas kinda backpedal on cuth and its in reply to "i scumread cuth, prove me wrong" hmm that changes that prior thing a bit ok hmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


that I called him a wolf and he was like frustrated that people weren't engaging with him and just sussing him

look, when I'm a wolf and people call me a wolf, I'm like hyperaware and try to be towny. I think cuth does to a certain extent too. But here he was like look, that's not really a fair call and whinged about it a bit. that's more what a villager does

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay i might be feeling the town dya again

im reading their soul

theyre not sure on cuth rn

they trust ladd, ladd trusts cuth, they dont really trust cuth

but theyre feeling it

they kinda see it

maybe???

im letting this marinate

dya hi


Ooh, yeah, I've not talked about Cape at all. Good catch.

hey u nerd i was JUST about to type that u hadnt made any cap comments!!!!! grrr ok

idk what this means for your alignment mister hughes.

i guess posting 3/3s with literally no comment on the most consensus wolf all game is kinda weird tho idk what kind of


oh shit, katze is v reading me. have they actually gotten accurate on me or are they a wolf?

ghoststab



villagery post

no its not its nai as fuck lol dya will eternally tease me on my record on them until i figure it out


Helloooo

what did I miss

i saw some1 say today that sk popping in for eod was weird but their post b4 this was "im going to sleep" and idk i kinda wanna believe that


Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)

visor what are you doing this game


vote: Silverkeith

+

yippee postcap lift


i find it sus he only showed up for EOD

lol i kinda wanna clear dya if sk is a wolf it might be dumb but i honestly feel like dya is about to pounce and maul sk and rip the poor kirby to shreds

i FEEL it

kinda like how they sound when i scumread them in a turbo ;)


I don't think trying new things is unlike you. I think there's a big difference between you trying to make someone claim their item in draft mafia, which is something really proactive/bossy of you, you wanted to command thread. This was more like a silly experiment with no real mech reason behind it, it was also a lot more, uh, dependant on circumstances I'd say, a "Hmmm I wonder what will happens or what conclussions can be drawn from it" rather than "This is an strategy that I can agree with or at least understand". I don't think it's really AI (maybe it is but for that I'd need to know more about how you open a game as both alignments)

None, I think. Maybe I've read a game where you were wolfing but can't remember rn. I just felt it was wolfy. Or that must've been the case since I don't currently know which post we're talking about.


Don't think I can reference a wolf game where I reference other games tho I think I reference other games relatively often but it's not something I actively do.

I think something you said later that bothered you was related to me having both you and Taffy as wolves which didn't make any sense and my answer is that you're misunderstanding how I think about games. I can think about things that different players do are individually wolfy witouth having to check into the macro universe where I concilliate both of those things making sense. I see things I say things about them.

Also I don't currently think you're a wolf, kinda? Your push here towards me reminds me of your push in draft mafia. I think that if you were a wolf I'd be more bothered by your reasonings.

ok Achro

im setting you on fire.

why is SK a villager for this post?

Yes, very true. You can be town for understanding this and mistaking it for wolfy intent.

I like chaos as town.

why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??

vote: ladd

I don't like the direction of the thread, and ladd feels like the one leading it. And following along on phone and see what they do? As if you are not in danger? Excuse me? Did you think calling me a villager would grant you some sort of clemency? Now is the fun.

...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting


But sincerely it feels like ladd is sipping drinking coffee and his observations feel okay but also his logic that one of me/katze must be a wolf because we wolf read each other is very predatory if katze is town. Like, 'ah I think they both look good, but idk...'

Also I feel like ladd's posting has kind of encouraged a lethargic feel to the thread. Like it's just easing the momentum towards 'yah bye cape' which we can flip today and if it is town makes ladd's efforts today look shady, chill game or no

also ladd what posts of mine are obvious villager posts. I will know if you are lying.

i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs


cuth is the one who says funny words, visor is the one who says words funny

banger post


I don't remember any visor I unironically think this is a wolftell for lack of spice

yeah i think SK is actually a wolf

ive been kinda looking at SKs eod and i feel like hes SAYING things but hes not ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE GAME


ladd: I am not getting up out of bed for this

cape and katze: bring it on

difference check choo choo

and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS


no but you might be shot tonight.

:curtain:


I was fine with taffy's vote on me - more than fine, really, I liked it - but I just realized that has been on me all day now. Kinda lazy. Dont know their meta tho.

awoo


vote: ladd

now ladd is a wagon so my question makes more sense

hehe


vote: ladd

now he is the lead wagon.


vote: ender

imo its this or cape

sk or visor are acceptable as well

MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod


I liked that last big taffy post.

why

why do you have these thoughts, keith.


vote: insomnia

sheeping SK

okay now I am gone

(my spider sense agrees)

yikes


katze being at the same place they were a while ago is wolf indicative of them yesyes mhmmm

yikes


*sucks air through teeth*

nah ur right winston that read was garbage

im done reading this game

SK and Achro are blatantly wolves together and Visor is prob the third

im going to bed

bye

[katze]

vote: Achro

dome me, coward.

18/50

[Cuthillius]

you didn't quote me big sad

[Cuthillius]

can sk/insomnia be w/w?

[Visor]

Damn that visor guy is villagery

[Winston Hughes]

hey visor

ask me a question

[Visor]

hey visor

ask me a question

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

[Winston Hughes]

:laugh4:

[EnderWiggin]

Damn that visor guy is villagery

Ohshit my bad.

You right.

[Visor]

I'll be home in an hour, I promise to be villagery then

[Visor]

okay i lied c u tomorrow

[nebjiamn]

let visor be villagery tomorrow

i want him to have the time

[Visor]

okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

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i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

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dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

[Visor]

benneh where are you at on dya and achro pls

[Visor]

i also think a player like achro prob shouldve recognised cape wasnt acting in a way that wolves do when they are going down on d1

i mean, i picked up on it and i wolfread cape earlier so i dont get it

in hindsight i wish i uh said something instead of just pushing cuth instead but yolo (also i blame ladd :curtain:)

[Visor]

would also appreciate thoughts on cuth/taffy/sk too

kind of my blind spots

[Visor]

oh also, glad you didnt get laid off benneh, unless you wanted to, in which case sorry that happened

[nebjiamn]

benneh where are you at on dya and achro pls
dya >rand v

after we both confronted eachother i think we both kind of got into the game a bit more and i feel like that helped me get a more solid read on them. think the way they came around on me felt natural too. like, i think the way they initially wolf read me makes sense given how i was playing a little more watch and wait most of day 1 and when i decided to out more of my reads and engage with thread more, i think dya picking up on that and being open to it is prob just villa indicative imo

think the way they came out today pushing sk also feels like quintessential day 2 v!dya (helps i agree with the sk read). kinda matter of fact/to the point

also kinda just trust ladd when he and i agree on dya

achro i have nfi sorry bud

[Visor]

so if you think sk is a wolf, who else stands out to you?

wya on cuth?

[nebjiamn]

would also appreciate thoughts on cuth/taffy/sk too

kind of my blind spots
taffy looks a lot better. their return to thread was really good imo and i think i prob misinterpreted their initial 'case' on achro. feels like they showed back up and started explaining more but it didnt feel manufactured or forced and just seemed genuine.

cuth eod felt a little rough from what i remember but i wanna reread. i could see him being a blindspot but i liked him a lot early d1 and agree that his frustration felt real and probly villa

sks eod sucks and is probly a wolf my dude

[nebjiamn]

i'm digesting kat's wall post

trying to sort out the kat/visor/achro triumvirate

not that theres anything linking you 3 i just am not sure how i feel about yall today

winston too actually

[Visor]

none of sks posts did anything for me, so i'm not against that, but thinking past that, where would you go next

assuming wolf

[nebjiamn]

for beter or worse i pretty much agree with you on insom fwiw

dont feel like i have a great reason to v read him but i just ... don't wolf read him either lol

[nebjiamn]

none of sks posts did anything for me, so i'm not against that, but thinking past that, where would you go next

assuming wolf
hopefully dvc

idk honestly, prob in the you/ahcro/katze triangle

[Achro]

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him



Thread cohesion killed a villager yesterday. Why would I be pro thread cohesion when I posted several times that I had a sinking feeling about things? This feels like two paragraphs of saying nothing substantial to me. I... gave reasons for all my reads. Like what.

If you're town you need to start participating more and asking questions if you don't understand where I am coming from because you sitting back and trying to read me without the aid of discussion with me isn't it.

[Achro]

Working on a post about other things but saw this,, Visor


i also think a player like achro prob shouldve recognised cape wasnt acting in a way that wolves do when they are going down on d1

i mean, i picked up on it and i wolfread cape earlier so i dont get it

in hindsight i wish i uh said something instead of just pushing cuth instead but yolo (also i blame ladd :curtain:)

:stare::stare::furious3:

I... never voted Cape yesterday, and had him as town most of the day with the caveat that Cape made me look very stupid recently as a wolf day 1, but my actions showed that I thought he was unlikely to flip wolf even with me being a little gun shy about screaming it from the roof tops and moreso I was discussing the thread state which led to this.


ladd: I am not getting up out of bed for this

cape and katze: bring it on

difference check choo choo



"if I think cape is town it means he is scum"

As is Achro tradition.

(Cape would be an info chop based off movement around them today)



But sincerely it feels like ladd is sipping drinking coffee and his observations feel okay but also his logic that one of me/katze must be a wolf because we wolf read each other is very predatory if katze is town. Like, 'ah I think they both look good, but idk...'

Also I feel like ladd's posting has kind of encouraged a lethargic feel to the thread. Like it's just easing the momentum towards 'yah bye cape' which we can flip today and if it is town makes ladd's efforts today look shady, chill game or no

also ladd what posts of mine are obvious villager posts. I will know if you are lying.



vote: ladd

I don't like the direction of the thread, and ladd feels like the one leading it. And following along on phone and see what they do? As if you are not in danger? Excuse me? Did you think calling me a villager would grant you some sort of clemency? Now is the fun.




So some things.

No idea how to read into cape being wrong on 3 different posts about scum tells when I am town. I wonder if this is genuine or appearing to be solving an active slot to buy himself time? What are my scum tells in those posts Cape90 although if you are town at least you know to throw them away next time. Cape are we having a pokemash moment or a smas all stars moment? Hard to tell with you tbh

Anyway much has been made about my insecurity as it were. Jokes on you I took a binding vow at the beginning of 2023 that every time in a game I mention I am flawed, I have imperfect skills, and I have weaknesses my skills actually sharpen and I bend reality to make it so my team always wins.

I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed. I am 15-1 as town. 9-0 as wolf. I am skilled, calm, and ferociously violent as either alignment if need be but mostly chill and here for a good time not a long time. I believe my town game is crisper than ever and my ability to both lead and follow has improved. My read are crystal-like in their clarity and I re evaluate very well these days. As scum my games and the fear I leave behind will speak for themselves.

Ok, so clearly I literally know I am awesome. So what's the deal with what I said earlier? All of that I just rambled about is true but also I recognize that I DO struggle more without meta at times and I do often use posting to help me in scum hunting through real time interactions and sneaky lines of inquiry and play. 50 feels rough compared to I believe the 80 or 100 of the previous game.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that fake solving as a wolf and actually figuring out people are very different experiences with limited posts. And if they aren't then they are to me. I guess you can murder me if you want if you think for some weird reason wolf achro faked this sentiment and then proceeded to do his best to solve before post capping. Don't really get it tbh. That post cap didn't obstruct me from wolfing because I just needed to fake solve. I worry for this post cap because I need to actually solve. I feel we may be speaking different languages. Also I posted almost double post cap because you said the game ended in 5 days but I 0 posted day 5 because town messed up and voted before I could post. Just FYI. I THINK this is town from you but also you running this like a treadmill is a little confusing. My solving has clearly at this point been eventful. Sorry for showing a little humility I guess I can turn up the ego if you like lmao. I know that's not what you are saying yeah yeah, it is just the ultimate mountain out of a mole hill and would never be wolf indicative for me. My posting after doesnt really fit into this narrative as I did my best Anyway yknow?

Anyway as for my list idea I thunk I saw it in some game recently and I was like 'oh yeah that sounds fun' I of course know that good mafia players abhor fun (they play mafia after all) so I didn't expect it to be completed but I thought it would be fun if it did. The main purpose is fuck RVS and look, barely any RVS. Beautiful. Secondly I was just vibing with everyone's reactions and going from there. How people talk about things early isn't always apparent day 1 in terms of alignment but I bet if I go back after a scum flips something in that discussion will help me solve, or help others if I am dead. Laying weird situations as groundwork for people to come back to is fun and it has helped me a lot in games.


Anyway I think today has proven my fears to be true in that I feel the game has been really stagnant. Feels like it was mostly me and katze churning the butter while everyone else sat around talking about cape or me or katze all day. For all this talk about solving day one dya hasn't fulfilled much in the way of sharp conclusions. But dya, benneh, and myself all have sk in our bottom 5 and so does katze. So lets kill him for the crime of wall posting and move on.


Oh

Right.

I thought wolf katze wouldn't have their scum partner as 1 town and me as wolf there because of she pushed me over they would look paired if one of them died. Most wolves get really nitpicky about things like that. It wasn't a major read but I liked the thought so I ran with it.

.

God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.

All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'

Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.

Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'

Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.

More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.

In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.

Point on the doll where the Achro didn't say enough about how the Cape wagon was very problematic, Visor.

I am now questioning if you read even half my posts. Which I don't know if that's wolfy or villagery but it is one of them.

[Achro]

Anyway, that being said good morning friends and foes alike.

I don’t really mind dying today if you all can’t gel with my world view, it’ll probably make each side happier and it is just a fun, chill game after all.

Anyway I found the Ladd kill a little odd at first, not that I would tunnel him or anything - that was mostly to reflect back on after the fact and see how people moved around others - but he was undoubtedly the leader yesterday who sent us into the rocks of a Cape kill.

So, why kill Ladd? I think it is either something else he posted, or what he would have thought after reflecting on the fact Cape was town over night. So I’m going to put my Ladd cap on and try to go over the thread a bit before I have to leave, not sure how much I will get done.

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

So in total I need to find 3 scum in 9 names

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Cuth
Benneh
Winston
Visor
Taffy
Dya

And my starting premise is Katze/Insomnia are unlikely to be w/w. Alright then.

My first town core slot is going to Taffy. 95% confidence on this one. For starters, I know personally my ability to perceive intent on who votes me has a stellar track record, I’d give that 90% by itself, but the thread state of poking Taffy a lot over what I thought was an interesting and towny way of voting me brings it up another 5%. I know they are a skilled player, so I leave myself open to being fooled as we haven’t played together before and that’s where my social reads are weakest, but as of this moment I think I’d just lose to Taffy for that play + the thread state around them.

Which that alone now makes my job reading day 1 kind of a lot easier. I now have 5 villagers in my head that I can see how the other 8 suspects interacted with to see who pushed pro-town agenda, who pushed anti-town agenda, who coasted along, and who is unclear even with this.

Cool, that’s a lot of data. But let’s try to add at least 1-2 more likely town to this list to make it even better.

I liked Cuth in general yesterday but soured in real time in EOD, however if Ender is willing to let that go so am I, who am I to OMGUS for another man? So I’ll put Cuth in my town pile.




taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk

i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy


I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK nebjiamn

(This isn’t loaded I don’t understand)

Dya I warmed back on due to these posts:


cape
benneh
cuth
sk

not in any order

Wolves typically complete assignments as asked, Katze asked for 5 names but said less was ok, and Dya took the opportunity to give less. Not hugely confident, but a note.


i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth


I felt yesterday this was like me - concerned about moving the thread. There was a lot of dead air around Cape and I am presuming Taffy yesterday, so when Dya had cuth listed because the thread wasn’t being moved I really liked that comment a lot. It felt like a non-obvious mindmeld of concern for the state of things. I didn’t feel pandered to or manipulated, although I don’t know dya’s complete wolf range it is enough for me to slot them into my town pile for now.

Ender (Poisond)
Taffy
Cuth
Dya


Current town pile, leaving me with:

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Benneh
Winston
Visor

3 wolves, 3 villagers. I do not believe Katze/Insomnia are paired.


I paused for a second to wonder what Visor is even talking about, and now my head is back to hurting.

SK probably has wolf equity. I was running strats at EOD and was handwaving people as towny/wolfy to try to see where the chaos led, my town read on SK was pretty weak tbh.

I will leave it here for now as I am overdoing it I think still, but my direction is pretty clear atm. Go through the thread and see how the above six moved around the other 7 players and try to find the 3 most pockety/predatory among them while keeping an eye out for signs of being partnered.

Cool.

[Visor]

you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

[Achro]

you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

I voted like 3 different counter wagons.

If I did nothing, you did some sort of imaginary number of things?

Like Visor, what? I don't have a dayvig.

[nebjiamn]

I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK @nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

[Achro]

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

That's true. Can you walk me through what you think about the ladd kill, the ender poison, and what it means for your thoughts on the game as a whole? I'll check back in later but your list of 5 got rocked by things and you felt dya was more villagery after. I saw you thinking SK could be shady, which is a take I am considering.

You showed an interest in Visor/me/(katze too) earlier, what do you think about Visor's sentiment that I did 'nothing' to stop Cape from going over? Do you think this angle of attack on me about my positioning on Cape is more consistent with w!visor or v!visor?

[nebjiamn]

That's true. Can you walk me through what you think about the ladd kill, the ender poison, and what it means for your thoughts on the game as a whole? I'll check back in later but your list of 5 got rocked by things and you felt dya was more villagery after. I saw you thinking SK could be shady, which is a take I am considering.

You showed an interest in Visor/me/(katze too) earlier, what do you think about Visor's sentiment that I did 'nothing' to stop Cape from going over? Do you think this angle of attack on me about my positioning on Cape is more consistent with w!visor or v!visor?
do me a favor and remind me of this ask 12 hours from now if i dont respond

ive pulled an allnighter prepping somethin for work and my brain is mush rn

[Winston Hughes]

I have a terrible confession to make...

:sweatdrop:

[nebjiamn]

I have a terrible confession to make...

:sweatdrop:
tell me in wolf chat before you spill the beans here

[insomnia]

i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

[Achro]

i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

Please tell me why you believe this is?

[Winston Hughes]

tell me in wolf chat before you spill the beans here

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

:shame:

[Achro]

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

:shame:

Lmao

*moves Winston to town pile*

[insomnia]

Please tell me why you believe this is?

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

[Achro]

EnderWiggin

Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.

[Achro]

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

[Visor]

Vote: dyachei

[Totally not Taffy]

i actually vigged ladd n1 (/s)

im reacting like this because cape was a villa, ender is presumably a villa, and im misclearing some1

glgl

This makes no sense at all. Insomnia's EoD was very towny, he got Ender's soft early on, called out Cuthélion's bad vote and then stayed on Cape bc Ender was still at three votes and better to resolve a questionable town (Cape) than a probably PR. I mean it's so obviously the correct town play that I'd expect a wolf to do it for lamist reasons, but since noone has pointed it out before me Occam's razor says he's just town.

I actually assumed you'd moved to Cape for similar "let's not kill the PR D1" reasons, but then why would you not see this? And if not then what were you doing on Cape after being so dead set against that wagon earlier D1? This is boggling me but I still want to townread it because it would be stupid for wolf!Katze to encourage town to start looking for a wolf on the Cape wagon.




I have played a lot with Taffy and while it's not a 100% venn diagram, the games she gets heavily sussed early are often her town games. (She got voted out within 2 days in... all 3 of her first town games I think?)

Taking the follow on, initial townread because she was quickly becoming a consensus scumread behind Cape felt like a legitimately strong gamestate read despite it being early D1.

And I stand by that.

I don't know why but it really upsets me when you make reads like this.


Absolutely Choked with Weeds
Visor - Chill Visor is chill. Except that his care for banter or interest in playing around doesn't feel very high. It kind of reminds me when we wolved together when we both got covid vaccines on the same day. We clearly won that, but he preferred to play a chill water redirector than any sort of other play. Not an exact 1-for-1 but feels closer than any other thing I can recall with us playing together.
i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

I feel like I've seen Visor play exactly like this as both alignments tbh so what exactly are you two looking for?



I want a chill game too but if people want to shrugyeet again they can do it in a game I am not in.

Urge to shrugyeet Achro rising ~D




Also Achro going "omg same" is actually worrying me more.

Where did he do that? I'm scrolling up but not seeing it.

[Winston Hughes]

this is incredibly wolfy for anyone paying attention

So, accepting that I'm even more of a dunce than Cuth, could you please explain this in terms that even I can follow?

[insomnia]

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

i guess my point is she is villagery

[insomnia]

So, accepting that I'm even more of a dunce than Cuth, could you please explain this in terms that even I can follow?

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho

[Achro]

i guess my point is she is villagery

Oh. I misunderstood I am sorry. I thought you were saying she should be more sussed. Got it. Yes same page on Taffy

[insomnia]

Winston, your worldview is a bit shaky for me atm. It’s tough to follow it

Can you point out a PoE or something? And where are you at on katze?

[Winston Hughes]

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho

I understand what happened. What I don't see is why Ender was obviously a PR.

(The whole PR hunting, breadcrumbing, softing, etc. bit is not something I have ever really bothered with - traditionally, my tastes are either pure mountainous or unique highly-thematic multiball insanity)

[nebjiamn]

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho
i mean, i was paying attention

is there a post ytou are referencing near eod or are you just saying the way he played was PR-ish, cause i did not pick up on that

nvm it doesn't matter

[insomnia]

he came in and had no intention of looking villagery

he had this air of “somebody other than me gotta die and i don’t care who it is” in a manner that screamed PR

i mean, he was a lead wagon at some point and he was telling the thread his vote options for self pres. He didn’t care to appear villagery cuz he knew he had the ace in his hand

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, your worldview is a bit shaky for me atm. It’s tough to follow it

It's pretty shaky for me too. I've only reached d2 as town twice in the last four years iirc, and both previous times were utter disasters, so I'm not exactly overflowing with confidence here.


Can you point out a PoE or something? And where are you at on katze?

I think katze and visor are most likely scum.

I think cuth is most likely town.

Beyond that, everything is up in the air.

[Achro]

unvote: katze

Executive decision in my brain to leave katze for last in my thinking. I have devoted too much time to my second favorite MU champs winner, I will come back to them at the close of the show c

[Visor]

It's pretty shaky for me too. I've only reached d2 as town twice in the last four years iirc, and both previous times were utter disasters, so I'm not exactly overflowing with confidence here.



I think katze and visor are most likely scum.

I think cuth is most likely town.

Beyond that, everything is up in the air.

woah thats like the opposite world view i have

talk to me about katze and cuth

[Winston Hughes]

woah thats like the opposite world view i have

talk to me about katze and cuth

no time for a full unpacking now, but katze is like the inverse of ladd: the latter vibed totally different from when he was scum in my last org game, whereas the former vibes exactly the same; i'm seeing the same tricks used for what appear to be the same purposes

cuth i thought scummy early on because he seemed more knowing, but as the day went on the usual cuthy vibes reappeared and i recognised that what i'd seen as knowing was more likely just greater maturity (bearing in mind that most of my meta for cuth is very old indeed)

[dyachei]

relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

[Totally not Taffy]

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.




Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.



Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

[dyachei]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

[Visor]

relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

i'm just feeling things out smh

walk me through sk (and his potential non me partners)

[dyachei]

i'm just feeling things out smh

walk me through sk (and his potential non me partners)

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting. Then he didn't post cap but waited until EOD post cap lifts to come back and play. it was a 48 phase and he wasn't interested in trying to solve until the last hour. I don't think his solving was very enlightened at that time either. Just read his EOD.

I wasn't feeling cape because tbh, cape came back and was like super aggressive about being a wolf read - he wasn't angry per him but he was accusing everyone else. SK fit the picture better but we ended up elimming cape instead. I couldnt be around at EOD to make this more clear becauase that's when we get AMy ready for bed

He could be partners with literally anyone

[nebjiamn]

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting.
i think he's just here for the zipline

[Achro]

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.





If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.




SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.

Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.

Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!

[Visor]

i dont disagree with anything you said, really

just looking for a tie that binds to someone else, if anyone feels connected to sk

[dyachei]

i think he's just here for the zipline

idk what this really means

[Visor]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

i havent been looking for it therefore i cant be a wolf

checkmate atheists

[nebjiamn]

idk what this really means
https://media.tenor.com/JrfZ53_xDo0AAAAC/itysl-zipline.gif

[dyachei]

https://media.tenor.com/JrfZ53_xDo0AAAAC/itysl-zipline.gif

havent seen that episode yet

[Totally not Taffy]

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

[Visor]

wya on cuth and insomnia, dya?

[Visor]

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

damn villagery post bronana, whyd you have to do that

i think people are just failing to adjust to the fact i am never tryharding a ww game ever again

[dyachei]

wya on cuth and insomnia, dya?

think both are villagers

Insom's attitude reminds me of his attitude in anni where he was v. Cuth has had a couple of very towny posts I think I've pointed out earlier. particularly when he pointed out cape's read on you

[dyachei]

damn villagery post bronana, whyd you have to do that

i think people are just failing to adjust to the fact i am never tryharding a ww game ever again

not tryharding ever again just makes you more likely to be a wolf imo :/

[Visor]

think both are villagers

Insom's attitude reminds me of his attitude in anni where he was v. Cuth has had a couple of very towny posts I think I've pointed out earlier. particularly when he pointed out cape's read on you

achro?

[Achro]

vote: SK

I have decided katze is probably town whose marketing for this chop needs a lot of revisement.

But also I made a bad change of read eod and I will go back to sk being frozen and crying in wolf chat as in my current world view there are no viable teams that do not involve him.

Cool cool. Cool.

[Visor]

not tryharding ever again just makes you more likely to be a wolf imo :/

i certainly didnt tryhard the last game i played on here as a villager lol

[Totally not Taffy]

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting. Then he didn't post cap but waited until EOD post cap lifts to come back and play. it was a 48 phase and he wasn't interested in trying to solve until the last hour. I don't think his solving was very enlightened at that time either. Just read his EOD.

I wasn't feeling cape because tbh, cape came back and was like super aggressive about being a wolf read - he wasn't angry per him but he was accusing everyone else. SK fit the picture better but we ended up elimming cape instead. I couldnt be around at EOD to make this more clear becauase that's when we get AMy ready for bed

He could be partners with literally anyone

I had forgotten that but you'd said that before and it's a good reason for being on a vanity wagon

[dyachei]

achro?

could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

[Visor]

i also now no longer think dya is a wolf i think

i guess i need to figure out katze more and probably stop turning a blind eye to benneh

[dyachei]

I had forgotten that but you'd said that before and it's a good reason for being on a vanity wagon

to be fair it wasnt a vanity wagon imo - i was really trying to get votes there when i was around

[Visor]

could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

i mean i agree

the thing with achro is he can say all the right things so i dont really care about his defence, i care about the way he projects himself in thread and it comes across as wolfy to me

ill see what sk gets up to overnight i guess

[dyachei]

i also now no longer think dya is a wolf i think

i guess i need to figure out katze more and probably stop turning a blind eye to benneh

just think, you could have gotten there hours ago if you had actually bothered to read my posts leading to now

[nebjiamn]

lets maj

itll be funny

[Visor]

just think, you could have gotten there hours ago if you had actually bothered to read my posts leading to now

but then we wouldnt have had this lovely conversation and the thread would be the worse for it

(i have actually read every post in this game, i just wasn't landing on solid ground with you so i wanted to get some direct conversation)

[dyachei]

but then we wouldnt have had this lovely conversation and the thread would be the worse for it

(i have actually read every post in this game, i just wasn't landing on solid ground with you so i wanted to get some direct conversation)

one of my gripes with you is we've been in the thread at similar times before now and you havent tried to have a conversation until now

[Visor]

okay thats a lie i skimmed some of katzes and achros posts

90%

80% on a bad day

[Achro]

but then we wouldnt have had this lovely conversation and the thread would be the worse for it

(i have actually read every post in this game, i just wasn't landing on solid ground with you so i wanted to get some direct conversation)

Please explain how I did nothing for cape yesterday in your world view if you have read every post in this game. This take hurts my brain but I try really hard to not omgus

[Visor]

one of my gripes with you is we've been in the thread at similar times before now and you havent tried to have a conversation until now

its hard for me to have consistent time in thread for the most part

is what it is

[Achro]

Achro seething in Google docs rn

[nebjiamn]

visor how confident are you on winston? (i am remembering you thinking he was v in that last read update you gave but i'm dead tired so this might be wrong)

i noticed he's one fo the leaders in posts but i woula sworn he was more like around the 30 post range. having said that i think his post about vibes between ladd/katze being different/same when they were w/w last game is interesting. and his overall fixation on katze might be villagery too but idk. besides that he feels pretty flat / disinterested to me (but also funny)

[nebjiamn]

i can't wait to quit

[Visor]

visor how confident are you on winston? (i am remembering you thinking he was v in that last read update you gave but i'm dead tired so this might be wrong)

i noticed he's one fo the leaders in posts but i woula sworn he was more like around the 30 post range. having said that i think his post about vibes between ladd/katze being different/same when they were w/w last game is interesting. and his overall fixation on katze might be villagery too but idk. besides that he feels pretty flat / disinterested to me (but also funny)

i wouldnt bet the game on it, but theres enough there that im willing to give him a pass for now

he started slow for sure - the biggest thing that stands out in my mind is him coming back to katze a lot as a suspiscion (now unfortunately, he knows that i know that he does that as a villager and its very possible he could be using that to get me to lay a meta defence on him so that he can ride it into the sunset later when the village inevtiably kills me and feels guilty about it)

im not sure why but that second paragraph feels a touch wolfy to me you rapscallion

[nebjiamn]

i wouldnt bet the game on it, but theres enough there that im willing to give him a pass for now

he started slow for sure - the biggest thing that stands out in my mind is him coming back to katze a lot as a suspiscion (now unfortunately, he knows that i know that he does that as a villager and its very possible he could be using that to get me to lay a meta defence on him so that he can ride it into the sunset later when the village inevtiably kills me and feels guilty about it)

im not sure why but that second paragraph feels a touch wolfy to me you rapscallion
fair enough

to your read and your last sentence

:curtain:

[dyachei]

how do you read winston? and by that I mean, tell me how to make a read on him because I have no fucking idea

[nebjiamn]

how do you read winston? and by that I mean, tell me how to make a read on him because I have no fucking idea
just ask zack

[Visor]

how do you read winston? and by that I mean, tell me how to make a read on him because I have no fucking idea

i mean, the same way you make a read on any good player, you assess their posts, judge from what angle they are coming from and whether they really believe it

theres no real methodology to it, you just have to decide whether you think he believes what he is saying and committed to getting it

i think hes someone willing to go hard to win as a wolf, but you look for those elements of paranoia, of circling back on things, of getting your teeth into something and not letting go


idk its the little things

[Achro]

how do you read winston? and by that I mean, tell me how to make a read on him because I have no fucking idea

I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?

[Visor]

i thought his eod was actively against cape dying and then he circled to katze and it made sense with his prior progression to me, plus he had a few posts earlier that were good

it makes sense to me that village him gets caught up in katzes posting because katze posts shit like getting snowed by a 10 poster

:curtain:

(hehe)

[dyachei]

I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?

i meant in general because I have no idea how to approach his posts for the most part and that extends beyond this game

[nebjiamn]

I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?
huh

[Visor]

wya on benneh dya

[dyachei]

wya on benneh dya

meh

I know that's not entirely a fair answer. but like. Im kind of middling on him rn. I dont think i want to elim him but Im also not confident he's town

[nebjiamn]

the fear lives on

[dyachei]

visor do you have a quick run down of your reads?

[Visor]

vote: silverkeith

for now in italics

[Visor]

visor do you have a quick run down of your reads?

you're lucky i am feeling generous!

visor
winston
dya

insomnia

taffy
katze
~~ender
benneh

cuth
achro

silverkeith

i would have to say i probably feel most strongly about the top top and bottom bottom but the rest can shift

[Visor]

https://y.yarn.co/652c9078-fc32-4c87-8f3b-63445b0baeaf_text.gif

[nebjiamn]

hmmmm

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

SK(2): Achro, Visor
Achro(1): katze

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