Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Monstrdude]

mm

not seeing it

i can make guesses but meh

I know wolves have an internal monologue too but I mean it seems like he was talking to me like he knew I was a villager with that kind of wording

[Montmorency]

because i remembered that i still read him >rand scum?

5% >rand scum goes below


-monty if i had to pick a scum out of the >200 posters, he would be it

[Monstrdude]

I mean think about it this way

What is a wolf's internal monologue?

This is my wolfteam

These are the mislynches

Maybe pr reads

And are villagers?

These are my reads and why

Vote:Monstrbro
Vote: El Barto

[Cuthillius]

I know wolves have an internal monologue too but I mean it seems like he was talking to me like he knew I was a villager with that kind of wording

still not really seeing it per se

or at least doesn't scream to me

[Monstrdude]

I mean think about it this way

What is a wolf's internal monologue?

This is my wolfteam

These are the mislynches

Maybe pr reads

And are villagers?

These are my reads and why

Vote:Monstrbro
Vote: El Barto

And are villagers is a sentence that is supposed to mean "and what is a villager's internal monologue"

[Montmorency]

I mean think about it this way

What is a wolf's internal monologue?

This is my wolfteam

These are the mislynches

Maybe pr reads

And are villagers?

These are my reads and why

Vote:Monstrbro
Vote: El Barto

Why do you want to be Rep in a district with Renata and Cass? Your sudden reasoning on the Barto post is n o n s e n s e.

[Cuthillius]

5% >rand scum goes below

yes

[Cuthillius]

I mean think about it this way

What is a wolf's internal monologue?

This is my wolfteam

These are the mislynches

Maybe pr reads

And are villagers?

These are my reads and why

Vote:Monstrbro
Vote: El Barto

oh i see what you're saying

[Montmorency]

yes

That's logically inconsistent.

Monstr's support for Barto strategy-lynch yesterday was relatively weak.


This is a logical choice

Idk if it will be right but I believe in you

[Monstrdude]

Monty

Chill I'm not trying to misrepresent anything here

Reread what I said

"I had him as a villager but I kind of wish he flipped"

I am well aware of exactly what I've said on this thread dood

[Cuthillius]

That's logically inconsistent.

Monstr's support for Barto strategy-lynch yesterday was relatively weak.

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

[Monstrdude]

Why do you want to be Rep in a district with Renata and Cass? Your sudden reasoning on the Barto post is n o n s e n s e.

And by the way, I couldn't care less about your opinion of my opinion of the thread

K thx

[Monstrdude]

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

Cuthillius is goat at this game fuck the haters

[Monstrdude]

Monty is probably a villager but wanting to link random villagers to one of your scumbros is definitely something a wolf does to get mislynches

It also would mean I was initially right on my Monty read d1

[Monstrdude]

We'll see if I'm right on El Barto

The post Monty makes about me saying my reasoning is non sense was villagery

[Monstrdude]

We'll see if I'm right on El Barto

The post Monty makes about me saying my reasoning is non sense was villagery

I guess by this point I can't really claim credit

But cass said she wanted one of us to be reps so if you were paying attention Monty you'd notice that

But it seems like you're just trying to shade me

[Monstrdude]

Maybe I'm too close to it

Visor has your opinion of Montmorency changed or is he still "exactly as weird as I'd expect in either alignment?"

[Cuthillius]

Monty is probably a villager but wanting to link random villagers to one of your scumbros is definitely something a wolf does to get mislynches

It also would mean I was initially right on my Monty read d1

have you played with mont before

[Monstrdude]

have you played with mont before

Not once

[Cuthillius]

Not once

do you have the wim to scan another game

[Monstrdude]

do you have the wim to scan another game

Mmmm

Yes

[Jabbz]

idk about jabbz

a lot of mechanical talk

i'm not sure how much credit to assign to the DP lock town read on him

Jabbz have you played with dp before if so how much

also was out for a while because of the neck thing

null to me

I hosted one game with Dp101 in it. He was scum in that particular game.

I have also played a number of games with Fenn, and hosted a few as well. His content so far to date though has been limited enough that I have no reads at the moment on him.

[Monstrdude]

I think I have the wim to re-reread this game I just feel a bit unfocused

I need coffee

But yes

[Monstrdude]

I hosted one game with Dp101 in it. He was scum in that particular game.

I have also played a number of games with Fenn, and hosted a few as well. His content so far to date though has been limited enough that I have no reads at the moment on him.

You remind me of someone

I can't place exactly who but it's a guy I used to play with ten years ago.

What do you make of Montmorency this game?

[Cuthillius]

Mmmm

Yes

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-Concluded

[Cuthillius]

I hosted one game with Dp101 in it. He was scum in that particular game.

I have also played a number of games with Fenn, and hosted a few as well. His content so far to date though has been limited enough that I have no reads at the moment on him.

so iyo he doesn't have enough meta on you for a lock read to mean overmuch?

[Cuthillius]

also did the forum email you when you were mentioned, did you just happen to show up, or have you been lurking?

[Monstrdude]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-Concluded

I'm gonna try to guess his alignment firsr

[Cuthillius]

I'm gonna try to guess his alignment firsr

:y:

[Monstrdude]

Based off page one he and Winston are scumbros

[Monstrdude]

How'dido

[Monstrdude]

He has a few posts in there to Crimson that remind me of him asking me about whether or not I was claiming

[Monstrdude]

Seems like Winston was a pr and Monty was a wolf

1 for 2 ain't bad

[Monstrdude]

I focused more on reading Monty anyway because time is precious

[Monstrdude]

I could lynch him this game

[Monstrdude]

Potentially even today depending on what he has to say coming up to EoD

[Jabbz]

You remind me of someone

I can't place exactly who but it's a guy I used to play with ten years ago.

What do you make of Montmorency this game?

I've only been playing Mafia for 9 years, and the first 4 or 5 were strictly in person games, so that's unlikely.

I'm currently starting my process of breaking down everyone and trying to fit puzzle pieces together. I would normally have done that day 2 but I had issues, and then Christmas sucked up time on day 3. I should be done with something later tonight or early tomorrow at the latest, well before EOD unless something horrid pops up.

[Monstrdude]

I've only been playing Mafia for 9 years, and the first 4 or 5 were strictly in person games, so that's unlikely.

I'm currently starting my process of breaking down everyone and trying to fit puzzle pieces together. I would normally have done that day 2 but I had issues, and then Christmas sucked up time on day 3. I should be done with something later tonight or early tomorrow at the latest, well before EOD unless something horrid pops up.

Kk I look forward to it glgl if you're a villager die pls if you're a wolf

[Jabbz]

also did the forum email you when you were mentioned, did you just happen to show up, or have you been lurking?

Forum doesn't email that I noticed, and I've been checking in periodically when I could do so without the wife getting overly angry at me. I like yall, but she can be scary :P

[Riedquat]

I also don't have much on Riedquat, but I think this is slightly scummy? Maybe.

I mean, his posting comes across as disengaged town, but that really isn't very hard to fake.

I do agree! Compare my behavior here with futuramafia, lied my ass off there and it was so easy... there is no point faking anything here. But I like being in the bottom of your or anyone list's, that is the spot I deserve ;)

[Monstrdude]

Forum doesn't email that I noticed, and I've been checking in periodically when I could do so without the wife getting overly angry at me. I like yall, but she can be scary :P

Tell her we said it's okay though

And that makes it okay

And then play a laugh track in the background so she knows she's in a sitcom

[Monstrdude]

unvote
Vote: Montmorency

[Monstrdude]

I do agree! Compare my behavior here with futuramafia, lied my ass off there and it was so easy... there is no point faking anything here. But I like being in the bottom of your or anyone list's, that is the spot I deserve ;)

What do you think of Montmorency this game

I know you've vested a lot into this "I'm scummy" spiel but I want reads and I want them now

[Jabbz]

Tell her we said it's okay though

And that makes it okay

And then play a laugh track in the background so she knows she's in a sitcom

Something tells me you've either not been married, or are on your 4th wife :p

[Monstrdude]

Something tells me you've either not been married, or are on your 4th wife :p

...

Nu uh

ya tho

[Monstrdude]

Zack what do you think of Montmorency right now?

Do you still think El Barto is scummy?

[Fenn]

Monstr, I must be pretty dumb because I don't see how that quoted El Barto post screams scum. I mean your posts do have a stream-of-consciousness quality to them (a towny sign imo). Would town Barto really word that post differently?

Anyway.

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated, buuut I did like eg Visor's interactions with Monty and Zack in general, and my only doubt on Cuth scum is that he's sounded almost too scummy to be scum, so I'm only going to think more about that if Cuth is lynched and flips town.

Current read list, roughly ordered:

definitely villagers:
Atheotes
Renata
Cass

probably villager:
Monstrbro
Visor
Zack

(Would preferentially vote any of the above as rep if they had been in my district)

villager lean:
Winston
Schema
Reidquat
Al Sipsclar

no idea:
Jabbz
BSmith
Montmorency (lot of posts, and I agree with him wrt districting and Cuth...but weird tone I don't like)

scum lean:
dicetosser
El Barto

probably scum:
Cuthillius (strangely find his last few posts villagery, but his earlier stuff still makes me think scum)

Vote: Cuthillius

[Monstrdude]

Monstr, I must be pretty dumb because I don't see how that quoted El Barto post screams scum. I mean your posts do have a stream-of-consciousness quality to them (a towny sign imo). Would town Barto really word that post differently?

Anyway.

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated, buuut I did like eg Visor's interactions with Monty and Zack in general, and my only doubt on Cuth scum is that he's sounded almost too scummy to be scum, so I'm only going to think more about that if Cuth is lynched and flips town.

Current read list, roughly ordered:

definitely villagers:
Atheotes
Renata
Cass

probably villager:
Monstrbro
Visor
Zack

(Would preferentially vote any of the above as rep if they had been in my district)

villager lean:
Winston
Schema
Reidquat
Al Sipsclar

no idea:
Jabbz
BSmith
Montmorency (lot of posts, and I agree with him wrt districting and Cuth...but weird tone I don't like)

scum lean:
dicetosser
El Barto

probably scum:
Cuthillius (strangely find his last few posts villagery, but his earlier stuff still makes me think scum)

Vote: Cuthillius

If you don't like my reasoning why is Barto scummy to you?

[Monstrdude]

I mean I can think back to when I asked Barto to quantify his read of me

And then he just didn't listen

He's clearly not reading my posts

[Monstrdude]

There are a thousand reasons to say Barto is scummy, what does it matter if "oh the way you got there is wrong?"

Not like I approach this game the same way twice pretty much... ever, and I expect the same from everyone in the game

Every game is different and requires a different strategy. Sure my process for reads remains the same but you can't just do exactly the same thing and expect it to work out every time

[Cuthillius]

yeah i'm fine with this

thought about your monologue idea, and i think you have a point

vote:el barto

[Monstrdude]

Now, I'm interested in hearing your response to my question because I am trying to read your alignment

Why is El Barto scummy to you?

What about Montmorency's tone is off?

Can you pinpoint a specific post for me that you can justify some of your reads?

[Fenn]

I don't exactly understand the reasoning around that particular quote but I do think Barto is scummy overall. Wasn't trying to knock your read of him in general.

[Monstrdude]

I don't exactly understand the reasoning around that particular quote but I do think Barto is scummy overall. Wasn't trying to knock your read of him in general.

Okok

I have two more questions pls answer I am not trying to be demanding, just precise

[Cuthillius]

i don't get the whole monty thing

like 'i agree with him on this one topic, but his tone is bad'

i regularly disagree with townies and agree with scums

so if you have an actual reason for townreading him i'd like to hear it

and +1 to monstr's q

[Renata]

Monstr, I must be pretty dumb because I don't see how that quoted El Barto post screams scum. I mean your posts do have a stream-of-consciousness quality to them (a towny sign imo). Would town Barto really word that post differently?

Anyway.

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated, buuut I did like eg Visor's interactions with Monty and Zack in general, and my only doubt on Cuth scum is that he's sounded almost too scummy to be scum, so I'm only going to think more about that if Cuth is lynched and flips town.

Current read list, roughly ordered:

definitely villagers:
Atheotes
Renata
Cass

probably villager:
Monstrbro
Visor
Zack

(Would preferentially vote any of the above as rep if they had been in my district)

villager lean:
Winston
Schema
Reidquat
Al Sipsclar

no idea:
Jabbz
BSmith
Montmorency (lot of posts, and I agree with him wrt districting and Cuth...but weird tone I don't like)

scum lean:
dicetosser
El Barto

probably scum:
Cuthillius (strangely find his last few posts villagery, but his earlier stuff still makes me think scum)

Vote: Cuthillius

He's totally town, isn't he?

[Monstrdude]

Renata what do you think of montmorency?

[Monstrdude]

Fenn/barto/monty/Schema Yolo

Least confident in schema

[Monstrdude]

Fenn/barto/monty/Schema Yolo

Least confident in schema

Ftr, this is 100% correct like .003% of the time so

Not likely, but hey maybe I just won the lottery

[Monstrdude]

Ftr, this is 100% correct like .003% of the time so

Not likely, but hey maybe I just won the lottery

To elaborate, the chance that any three names are the exact scumteam is about that high

[El Barto]

Monstrbro, you've made >50% of the posts in the last few pages. Can you consolidate?

Promises, Promises... but good.

If you're Town I want you to use the time you have to hunt and clear yourself through action rather than self defense. Go ahead and continue what you're doing if you're Scum :p

The context of Rappers is much like here imo. I disagree you're more Towny here so far. Iirc you started same as both here and Snake cult, but picked up your game and branched out after the beginning phase in Rappers to a point where it was plausible you were Town.

My debate with you is the same discussion we've had ?there/before. If you're Town, drop the 'I'm always scummy'/random talk and a)focus on finding/pushing/hunting wolves; b)give your alignment-related opinions/reasons on the play of other players - form opinions and make them known more than you focus on self pres. Until that happens in a way that furthers/is relatable to Town agenda you stay scum-lean/WTL for me.
Vote: Cass_

Are you daring me?

OK, then


Visor, do you want to be Rep, or can I be Rep? If you're Rep today I want to be Rep tomorrow.#powergrab
vote: Montmorency

El Barto Monstrbro Renata

Also need to know your top WTL for D3
What's wtl? Wolf top list?

Oh... my... :( This district sucks!!!
Look at its constituents!

Vote: Riedquat because I do not trust anybody else in the district!
That's playing exactly as I do.

FfoS: Riedquat

[Renata]

Renata what do you think of montmorency?

Heck if I know. There was something yesterday I found suspicious about him, but I can't remember what it is. On the whole he talks too much for me to take him too seriously as mafia, but I know he's capable of that, so I can't give him too much credit for it. I need to see him be right about some things, maybe.

[Monstrdude]

0.000167084378

Here's the chance I got four wolves so

Prolly not but I bet at least one or two

[Monstrdude]

Heck if I know. There was something yesterday I found suspicious about him, but I can't remember what it is. On the whole he talks too much for me to take him too seriously as mafia, but I know he's capable of that, so I can't give him too much credit for it. I need to see him be right about some things, maybe.

Noted. I want to see what he says coming up to EoD

[Monstrdude]

Monstrbro, you've made >50% of the posts in the last few pages. Can you consolidate?

Vote: Cass_

Are you daring me?

OK, then

vote: Montmorency

What's wtl? Wolf top list?

Look at its constituents!

That's playing exactly as I do.

FfoS: Riedquat

No, I will interact with the players in this game as I see fit.

[El Barto]

The only player you were interacting with was yourself.

[Monstrdude]

Many of those posts are me canvassing reads from the players in this game

I single them out individually so that I can have a reason to talk to and read them

If I asked everyone no one would pay attention

[Monstrdude]

The only player you were interacting with was yourself.

Again, false. Many of those posts were me canvassing reads from other players in the game.

[Monstrdude]

Besides, posts are easier to read when bite sized and it forces people to pay attention to me

Which is necessary for me to read them

[Renata]

Monstr, you keep reading Cuth as strong town. What are you thinking of how everyone's reacting to him? Most particularly those who have pushed the case the hardest? I don't see Visor or Zack on your mafia list, why not?

[Monstrdude]

Monstr, you keep reading Cuth as strong town. What are you thinking of how everyone's reacting to him? Most particularly those who have pushed the case the hardest? I don't see Visor or Zack on your mafia list, why not?

I don't think visor can be scum with Montmorency if Monty is scum, but otherwise his d1 was pretty freaking villagery. If he continues to disagree with me tomorrow on villagers I'll reassess, and if cuth gets lynched and flips wolf I'm willing to put the egg on my face and say "fine."

The last sentence is the same sentiment I have for Zack, because he is also never a wolf with cuth. Admittedly, I have slightly less confidence in Zack town than in visor town but I never got the case against him that people made where they said he "wasn't posting reads" because, well, from my perspective at least d1-d2 he was. Today is an exception but with the holidays who cares. He's also never a wolf with Jabbz, but I still am unsure about whether I want to lynch him today

He COULD theoretically be wolves with visor for the way visor approached zack's slot at EoD by calling to save him, but that argument can also be made against myself and one wrong read does not a wolf make

[El Barto]

Again, false. Many of those posts were me canvassing reads from other players in the game.
i.e. you're using the thread as your personal notepad.

[Monstrdude]

i.e. you're using the thread as your personal notepad.

Hmm I wonder what benefit this has gained the thread and myself in the case that I am a villager that I am using the thread as my personal note pad

Oh yeah, it means I say exactly what I mean and everyone is well aware of that fact

[Riedquat]

What do you think of Montmorency this game

I know you've vested a lot into this "I'm scummy" spiel but I want reads and I want them now

Odd behavior on day1 but his first post at beginning of day 2, a comprehensive summary about how and why choxorn got lynched makes him more townie than many others in my view. No scum would take the time to do that!

Still his conviction about my own towniness makes me a tiny bit nervous, but still town in my view.

[Monstrdude]

Odd behavior on day1 but his first post at beginning of day 2, a comprehensive summary about how and why choxorn got lynched makes him more townie than many others in my view. No scum would take the time to do that!

Still his conviction about my own towniness makes me a tiny bit nervous, but still town in my view.

Kk

What do you think about El Barto?

[El Barto]

Hmm I wonder what benefit this has gained the thread and myself in the case that I am a villager that I am using the thread as my personal note pad

Oh yeah, it means I say exactly what I mean and everyone is well aware of that fact
Look, I'm not trying to be testy, I'm simply trying to keep the thread readable. Learn how to multiquote at least.

[Renata]

Odd behavior on day1 but his first post at beginning of day 2, a comprehensive summary about how and why choxorn got lynched makes him more townie than many others in my view. No scum would take the time to do that!

Still his conviction about my own towniness makes me a tiny bit nervous, but still town in my view.

I found nothing distinctly townie in that long post of his.

[Renata]

Which reminds me, the reason I found him scummy day 2 was because of what he chose to leave out of that post.

[Riedquat]

Monstrbro, you've made >50% of the posts in the last few pages. Can you consolidate?

+1 It's like a pizza minion!



Look at its constituents!

Obviously that was the idea!



That's playing exactly as I do.

FfoS: Riedquat

Not true! You go around voting and accusing anyone in range, the only thing similar to you could be my lack of commitment, a bit intended and a bit of pure laziness on my part! ;)

[Zack]

When does day end?

[Riedquat]

I found nothing distinctly townie in that long post of his.

Perhaps because you were active and paying attention at what happened late on day 1, I wasn't and was wondering how exactly choxorn got lynched, so for the lazy townie on me that was a good townie post!

[Zack]

Zack what do you think of Montmorency right now?

Do you still think El Barto is scummy?

I don't really know what to think of Monty, though I want to say slight town lean for raisins but I've been burned on that before.

Yes, though I don't really get your particular point on him or why it would 180 your view. He's scum because he doesn't give a shit about the game or what's happening in it.

[Riedquat]

Which reminds me, the reason I found him scummy day 2 was because of what he chose to leave out of that post.

And what was that? Care to elaborate?

[Zack]

I WISH FOR A DAYVIG

[dicetosser1]

What is your take on Cuth & El Barto?


therees some cuth stuff below

barto I could happily lynch. I didn't like the scum claim I dont hinks he was hunting and I don't like some of his posts at monstr.




Vote: Visor





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Due5R99GmYE



:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

How's that, then? I demand an explanation. Frivolous sussing is out of vogue atp.


you already quoted it. I think youre trying to set it up so u get power at what u feel is the opportune time.





The closest to Bart last game here is dicetosser.

Bart is dissimilar from last game in activity and intensity (so far), but the difference in content (i.e. single-issue voting, commenting to distraction) may be more driven by his specific strategy vis-a-vis Pizza-partner, so that may come out null. More or less as I said before, nothing towny but not really scummy atp.

Scenarios for that could be one scum partner under heavy criticism or engagement, with the rest UTR. It begs more data, surely.



so straight up you calling me scum? for tthese reasons above or others?




i told you i would

no complaining :P


ok so here cuth had been doing pointless isos which looked like busy work.

But then he dropped the above quote. THAT sounds EXACTLY like me when im defending myself after answering the chick who was dumb enuff to ask me if her butt looks big in those pants. Flat. Factual. Absolutely unapologetic.

I know everyone seems to want to lynch cuth but I think I just came down on the town side of him.




We must interpret Cuth's latest as running interference in face of impending lynch.


We MUST must we?? Why? particularly if hed told you he was going to do it.


I read this and my immeadiate thought is that monty REALLY doesn't want this lynch to miss. I read it as a scum pushing a mislynch they really want



mm

not seeing it

i can make guesses but meh



he already answered but I was gonna say internal monologue lol. Thing is monstr doesn't HAVE an INTERNAL monologue. Its always out in the thread.

[Zack]

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated

That's what they said about Ghosting.

[Montmorency]

Monty

Chill I'm not trying to misrepresent anything here

Reread what I said

"I had him as a villager but I kind of wish he flipped"

I am well aware of exactly what I've said on this thread dood

I wasn't addressing you, but it's nice to vaguely answer a point that I wasn't making.


And by the way, I couldn't care less about your opinion of my opinion of the thread

K thx

What?


But cass said she wanted one of us to be reps so if you were paying attention Monty you'd notice that

But it seems like you're just trying to shade me

Yeah. The shade applies. Elect Renata bro.


Seems like Winston was a pr and Monty was a wolf

1 for 2 ain't bad

lol what?

Why did you come here just to collapse Monstr? You were doing so well. Drop to null at best. If Cuth is town Monstr-Bart is on the table.


no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

That has nothing to do with my point or your quoted posts.


I read it as a scum pushing a mislynch they really want

Seriously? Of all the people in the thread I'm the one with the highest stake in Cuth's lynch?

dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.

[Zack]

http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/gre_1482867000.png

Since no one answered me, this is how much time is left.

[Zack]

Multi-quote walls are my least favorite kinds of posts ever, and it's not even close. Pain to read or respond to.

[dicetosser1]

dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.[/QUOTE]



the red was a question in relation to that post you made mention and comparing me to someone else. I don't know that person so am not saure why im in that post or the meaning of putting me there

[Cuthillius]

monty, that post is trash

sorry to use such strong of language

but seriously

you feign ignorance at what monstr is saying

and then just state "it's a pity you're doing so badly, those posts you just made are terrible but i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

which is the ultimate douche defense in mafia

like literally that accomplishes nothing as town except pissing literally everyone off at you

also you say "well yes i am throwing shade what about it"

and then you address me

i recommend you reread the original post

because that has exactly everything to do with it

finally you turn to dice

and you take his accusation of you and just treat it like there's nothing behind it, and then misunderstand what he was saying (you are doing x does not equal you are the person who is most doing x)

instead of telling dice why his reasoning was bad iyo you just say it was and start complaining about how you're not in power/being condescending and showing that you're the better person and not trying to power grab

i mean even if you're town that post is ---------ev

please, if you want to try and get town to win and play the game in a profitable fashion

i suggest meeting people on their own terms and treating their ideas and thoughts as worth a similar amount of while as your own

[Zack]

Cuth town-reading the entire thread except for two people seems problematic.

I know as a wolf I find it really easy to make town reads, because I know which people are town, and I will notice the things they do that are indicators which point towards them being town (while not noticing the stuff that might make them look bad as much) in a way that I don't as a villager because I'm always suspicious of everyone, even if I have a strong town read on them. I also try to avoid giving out too many wolf reads for fear of either spewing someone clear or drawing attention to a partner and having to deal with the consequences of that.

I find it really unusual for a villager to be townreading the entire game at this point. This also kinda applies to monstr, but his tone has been good enough that it doesn't really bother me that much.

[Cuthillius]

oh and i don't mind if you just decide not to answer someone's posts

no issues with that

but implying that they're of such little value that someone like YOU would never bother

that's something else

[Cuthillius]

Cuth town-reading the entire thread except for two people seems problematic.

I know as a wolf I find it really easy to make town reads, because I know which people are town, and I will notice the things they do that are indicators which point towards them being town (while not noticing the stuff that might make them look bad as much) in a way that I don't as a villager because I'm always suspicious of everyone, even if I have a strong town read on them. I also try to avoid giving out too many wolf reads for fear of either spewing someone clear or drawing attention to a partner and having to deal with the consequences of that.

I find it really unusual for a villager to be townreading the entire game at this point. This also kinda applies to monstr, but his tone has been good enough that it doesn't really bother me that much.

it was only two people on the list that i immediately corrected, yes?

[Zack]

i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

wow who would EVER do that

i can't think of ANYONE

:stare:

[Montmorency]

dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.



the red was a question in relation to that post you made mention and comparing me to someone else. I don't know that person so am not saure why im in that post or the meaning of putting me there[/QUOTE]

I was asked about Barto. You were only incidental. I was using you as comparison to some of Barto's other play.


monty, that post is trash

sorry to use such strong of language

but seriously

you feign ignorance at what monstr is saying

and then just state "it's a pity you're doing so badly, those posts you just made are terrible but i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

which is the ultimate douche defense in mafia

like literally that accomplishes nothing as town except pissing literally everyone off at you

also you say "well yes i am throwing shade what about it"

and then you address me

i recommend you reread the original post

because that has exactly everything to do with it

finally you turn to dice

and you take his accusation of you and just treat it like there's nothing behind it, and then misunderstand what he was saying (you are doing x does not equal you are the person who is most doing x)

instead of telling dice why his reasoning was bad iyo you just say it was and start complaining about how you're not in power/being condescending and showing that you're the better person and not trying to power grab

i mean even if you're town that post is ---------ev

please, if you want to try and get town to win and play the game in a profitable fashion

i suggest meeting people on their own terms and treating their ideas and thoughts as worth a similar amount of while as your own

That's enough. I disagree with all of this.

[Zack]

it was only two people on the list that i immediately corrected, yes?

ok, three people

[Cuthillius]

feel free to disagree with it monty

but i would still like to ask that you give more of an effort to cooperating with the other players in their game and making sure that you're making assertions that are grounded in fact

that's all

[Cuthillius]

ok, three people

mmm

[Montmorency]

feel free to disagree with it monty

but i would still like to ask that you give more of an effort to cooperating with the other players in their game and making sure that you're making assertions that are grounded in fact

that's all

I have. In an effort to avoid using bad language, I will just call you wrong and hypocritical.

[Cuthillius]

I have. In an effort to avoid using bad language, I will just call you wrong and hypocritical.

okay

then i'd like to ask you to try a little harder, if it's not too much of a bother

i think it would help

[Zack]

okay

then i'd like to ask you to try a little harder, if it's not too much of a bother

i think it would help

Your above long post suggests you think he is suspicious but you are talking to him like he is a villager who needs to shape up?

[Cuthillius]

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

i just realized

you may have misunderstood the point of this statement

i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

sorry if that wasn't clear

[Montmorency]

i just realized

you may have misunderstood the point of this statement

i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

sorry if that wasn't clear

To close with this particular strand:

1. I am one of your top lynches.
2. Riedquat is barely above random for scum lean.
3. Riedquat is scummier/better lynch than Monty.

3 was conveyed by your placing Riedquat lower than me in your modified list, and 3 is inconsistent with 1 and 2.

[Cuthillius]

Your above long post suggests you think he is suspicious but you are talking to him like he is a villager who needs to shape up?

i find it helps, at least as far as amiability, and solving the game from a certain pov, to talk to people as if they were town

assume the best of them

since i am not actively scumreading monty and because most of my problems with the post were not necessarily that is was that scummy

it was, however, scum-sided for other reasons imo

but feel free to interpret it however the hell you want

[Montmorency]

since i am not actively scumreading monty

When you say things like this...


-monty if i had to pick a scum out of the >200 posters, he would be it

it's hard to take seriously.

[El Barto]

+1 It's like a pizza minion!
And he thinks that making 200 posts makes one certain town, so maybe I should just make 200 posts.

Obviously that was the idea!
What idea?

Not true! You go around voting and accusing anyone in range, the only thing similar to you could be my lack of commitment, a bit intended and a bit of pure laziness on my part! ;)
I only vote and/or accuse those who vote for me.

When does day end?
At EoD.

I WISH FOR A DAYVIG
You're not the GM this time, stop posting in purple.

[Cuthillius]

To close with this particular strand:

1. I am one of your top lynches.
2. Riedquat is barely above random for scum lean.
3. Riedquat is scummier/better lynch than Monty.

3 was conveyed by your placing Riedquat lower than me in your modified list, and 3 is inconsistent with 1 and 2.

1. I would not consider #4 in my readlist top lynches, nor would i ever consider a mild town lean a "top lynch" under any circumstance when referring to my reads
2. True
3. True
4. Are you attempting to argue that I read you as a higher scum than I said in the list? Because what I saw as your evidence for that point of view was the post in which i said that if i HAD to pick a scum from the >200 posters i would pick you

Could you restate that part of the case again, please?

[Zack]

i find it helps, at least as far as amiability, and solving the game from a certain pov, to talk to people as if they were town

assume the best of them

since i am not actively scumreading monty and because most of my problems with the post were not necessarily that is was that scummy

it was, however, scum-sided for other reasons imo

but feel free to interpret it however the hell you want
Must be a new strategy because I've seen you talk to people as if they were scum plenty of times.

Why do you find it scum-sided but not scummy?

[Zack]

And he thinks that making 200 posts makes one certain town, so maybe I should just make 200 posts.

What idea?

I only vote and/or accuse those who vote for me.

At EoD.

You're not the GM this time, stop posting in purple.

another post that is pointless and contains zero amount of solving

[Zack]

When you say things like this...



it's hard to take seriously.
lol, but that post you quoted does show he's not "actively" scumreading you.

"if i had to pick"

[Cuthillius]

When you say things like this...



it's hard to take seriously.

to quote myself

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town...

...i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

[Cuthillius]

Must be a new strategy because I've seen you talk to people as if they were scum plenty of times.

Why do you find it scum-sided but not scummy?

usually when i think they're scummy, yes?

he is still in the town part of my read list, yes?

okay, well there we go

[Zack]

usually when i think they're scummy, yes?

he is still in the town part of my read list, yes?

okay, well there we go

That is not what you said and you ignored part of my post so you could smugly pat yourself on the back.

[Montmorency]

My head is spinning.

"If I had to pick one" - in other words, if I had one shot I would use it on X. Why would you use your shot on someone you aren't actively scumreading?

Or if X is least townie or one of the least townie and one isn't scumreading as such, then the effect is still the same.

[El Barto]

Why is 'quat a better lynch than Monty?

another post that is pointless and contains zero amount of solving
Not quite. Are you gonna have a go at everyone in the thread at the same time?

[Monstrdude]

Lynch Montmorency immediately

[Zack]

My head is spinning.

"If I had to pick one" - in other words, if I had one shot I would use it on X. Why would you use your shot on someone you aren't actively scumreading?

Or if X is least townie or one of the least townie and one isn't scumreading as such, then the effect is still the same.

it implies he's not actively scumreading you

he wouldn't pick unless he HAD to

[Montmorency]

it implies he's not actively scumreading you

he wouldn't pick unless he HAD to

THEN WHY WOULDNT HE PICK SOMEONE HE DOES SCUMREAD

[Monstrdude]

And Zack

there's probably a total four wolves left maybe five or something

It makes total sense to have a disproportionate amount of village reads

[Zack]

THEN WHY WOULDNT HE PICK SOMEONE HE DOES SCUMREAD

are you kidding me?

[Monstrdude]

When you say things like this...



it's hard to take seriously.

These two statements are not contradictory

[Montmorency]

And Zack, oh yeah. When push comes to shove lynch your townreads, they're getting too dangerous.

[Zack]

And Zack

there's probably a total four wolves left maybe five or something

It makes total sense to have a disproportionate amount of village reads
it makes sense to have 20 village reads and no null reads?

[Montmorency]

are you kidding me?

Head to wall.

[Monstrdude]

it makes sense to have 20 village reads and no null reads?

He said Jabbz was null iirc

[Zack]

And Zack, oh yeah. When push comes to shove lynch your townreads, they're getting too dangerous.
https://i.imgur.com/63p0KXD.gif

[Montmorency]

https://i.imgur.com/63p0KXD.gif

I'm sorry, I didn't realize he was addressing you directly.

[Cuthillius]

That is not what you said and you ignored part of my post so you could smugly pat yourself on the back.

i said i'm not actively scumreading him

therein lies the difference

[Monstrdude]

Lynch montmorency

[El Barto]

Lynch Montmorency immediately
We're finally in agreement!

Are you gonna have a go at everyone in the thread at the same time?
#stillunanswered

[Zack]

am i going crazy or is monty speaking in non sequiturs and making zero sense??

[Montmorency]

If I had to pick scum out of >200 posters, I would lynch Monstr.

[Cuthillius]

My head is spinning.

"If I had to pick one" - in other words, if I had one shot I would use it on X. Why would you use your shot on someone you aren't actively scumreading?

Or if X is least townie or one of the least townie and one isn't scumreading as such, then the effect is still the same.

i am honestly not sure what to say to this

[Zack]

i said i'm not actively scumreading him

therein lies the difference
I hate talking to you. Why do you always insist on speaking in cryptic fucking riddles.

[Renata]

And what was that? Care to elaborate?

Too long, you'll have to go back and find me flailing ineffectually over it. Basically, I took exception to his leaving out his own choxorn-related comments, while he says that was perfectly justified because he wasn't covering that sort of comment.

[Cuthillius]

And Zack, oh yeah. When push comes to shove lynch your townreads, they're getting too dangerous.

/tilts head to side

[Monstrdude]

am i going crazy or is monty speaking in non sequiturs and making zero sense??

No he's not making sense and disregarding everything I say by just simply saying "I disagree"

[Cuthillius]

I hate talking to you. Why do you always insist on speaking in cryptic fucking riddles.

oh the other part of the post

right

missed that

because it's actively pissing off town if town and pissing off town if scum

town does better when cooperating than when pissed off imo

[Monstrdude]

oh the other part of the post

right

missed that

because it's actively pissing off town if town and pissing off town if scum

town does better when cooperating than when pissed off imo

...

What?

[Cuthillius]

And Zack, oh yeah. When push comes to shove lynch your townreads, they're getting too dangerous.

i legitimately don't see how town ever makes this post

[Cuthillius]

...

What?

zack asked why post scumsided but not necessarily scummy

[Montmorency]

No he's not making sense and disregarding everything I say by just simply saying "I disagree"

I was actually accusing you of that.

[Montmorency]

i legitimately don't see how town ever makes this post

I misunderstood Monstr's post to Zack.

[dicetosser1]

i just realized

you may have misunderstood the point of this statement

i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

sorry if that wasn't clear


if you guys really equate high post counts with town then I need to show you a zander game and let you guess at him. shakes head

[Monstrdude]

Eh maybe Monty is town after all

Fuck that means I haven't pushed a single scum all game then unless Barto is scum and that doesn't even count

[Zack]

oh the other part of the post

right

missed that

because it's actively pissing off town if town and pissing off town if scum

town does better when cooperating than when pissed off imo
no shut up

you said it's better to talk to people as if they're town

then i pointed out you talk to people like they're scum all the time, and you disregarded this and said it's because you find them scummy when THAT IS NOT A PROVISION YOU ORIGINALLY STIPULATED, you just said it was better to talk to people in general as if they're town. and now you're continuing that line and saying it's better to cooperate and completely missing the point. Are you responding to me or some imaginary strawman who is asking you questions?

And I asked you WHY "scum-sided" actions didn't make monty scummy, to which you responded by saying because you don't think he's scum.

And all this after you gave monty a huge damn lecture on the importance of communication and explaining yourself clearly so please die.

[Montmorency]

Nuke the past 5 pages. Call the whole thing off. Start over.

[Zack]

if you guys really equate high post counts with town then I need to show you a zander game and let you guess at him. shakes head

Did you read the post you just responded to?

[Monstrdude]

Nuke the past 5 pages. Call the whole thing off. Start over.

Seconded

Let's just start from d2 all over again

We were doing so much better then

[Cuthillius]

if you guys really equate high post counts with town then I need to show you a zander game and let you guess at him. shakes head

like i said i don't

[Cuthillius]

dice thoughts on anything else

[Monstrdude]

vote: Renata

[Renata]

Your above long post suggests you think he is suspicious but you are talking to him like he is a villager who needs to shape up?

^^^

[Renata]

1. I would not consider #4 in my readlist top lynches, nor would i ever consider a mild town lean a "top lynch" under any circumstance when referring to my reads
2. True
3. True
4. Are you attempting to argue that I read you as a higher scum than I said in the list? Because what I saw as your evidence for that point of view was the post in which i said that if i HAD to pick a scum from the >200 posters i would pick you

Could you restate that part of the case again, please?

This is unfortunately also true. Monty is flogging a slip here that doesn't exist.

[Cuthillius]

no shut up

you said it's better to talk to people as if they're town

then i pointed out you talk to people like they're scum all the time, and you disregarded this and said it's because you find them scummy when THAT IS NOT A PROVISION YOU ORIGINALLY STIPULATED, you just said it was better to talk to people in general as if they're town. and now you're continuing that line and saying it's better to cooperate and completely missing the point. Are you responding to me or some imaginary strawman who is asking you questions?

And I asked you WHY "scum-sided" actions didn't make monty scummy, to which you responded by saying because you don't think he's scum.

And all this after you gave monty a huge damn lecture on the importance of communication and explaining yourself clearly so please die.

incorrect

in my original post

the one you originally quoted

i said "since i am not actively scumreading him"

in addition, in my readslist, he was in the town section

it is clear that i do not think he is >rand scum

abundantly, including in the particular post

AS SUCH

/goes and reads stuff

alright

so you say hey bro your post looks like you suspect him but you are talking to him like he is town

and i say yes because it helps to talk to people as if they were town, generally speaking

then in the same post i continue to clarify and say

"since i am not actively scumreading monty and because most of my problems with the post were not necessarily that is was that scummy"

which looks like a stipulation of a provision to me

and then you say but you talk to people like they were scum before

and i say yes ofc because i had them as scumreads; i'm not scumreading monty

as to the other part

you asked why scum-sided actions didn't make monty scummy, which should be clear from

a)i called it scum-sided instead of scummy in the first place, and said that as town OR scum it doesn't make the game better or easier to win for town, as a result the fallout benefits town more than scum, as town needs cooperation and people to treat each other in a reasonable fashion
b)and you ignore that and just take my post to mean "i think it's scummy but i don't want to call him scum

i think your points are invalid

but meh

i also don't think it's profitable to continue this conversation, given

[dicetosser1]

Did you read the post you just responded to?


yeah I did and it said in this game hed be inclined to do it. that means it could happen othertimes too and postcounts are THE stupidest reason to just town read people




vote: Renata

why the change from screaming for monty her @monstr

[Cuthillius]

here's what i said

"i mean even if you're town that post is ---------ev

please, if you want to try and get town to win and play the game in a profitable fashion

i suggest meeting people on their own terms and treating their ideas and thoughts as worth a similar amount of while as your own"

i get that the "even if you're town" could be interpreted the way in which you guys seem to have

and i have nothing really to say in response to that

and yeah

[Renata]

I mean, if someone went through my own posts with a fine-toothed comb I'm sure they'd find any amount of confusion in my reads that could be used to paint me scum. It's just no one really wants to, because choxorn.

[Renata]

yeah I did and it said in this game hed be inclined to do it. that means it could happen othertimes too and postcounts are THE stupidest reason to just town read people





why the change from screaming for monty her @monstr

He's not, that's a representative vote. But he does seem to be back to thinking monty is town.

[Cuthillius]

yeah I did and it said in this game hed be inclined to do it. that means it could happen othertimes too and postcounts are THE stupidest reason to just town read people





why the change from screaming for monty her @monstr

that was the post in which i was literally explaining to monty that i was specifically reading all the posters who had >200 posts in this game town because i thought they were towny

after i had posted a post that could have been misinterpreted to mean that i thought >200 posts was towny in and of itself

[Montmorency]

Cuth, I see what I misunderstood now. For some reason I thought that by ">200" posters you meant 'all players in game' rather than 'people who have more than 200 posts.

My umbrage regarding Monstr on page 84 was that he suddenly seemed to have a firm stand against Barto, and that the reasoning he gave after teasing the single egregious, motivating post (a post I found of no account) seemed to have nothing to do with anything, hit a number of generic notes used in casebuilding that struck me as inappropriate, and for all its verbiage compared to earlier Monstr chains came off as fabricated. In conjunction with the self-vote for Rep and bizarre statements to me, there was a gas leak that knocked us out for a few hours. We'll see how that works out eventually.

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, I see what I misunderstood now. For some reason I thought that by ">200" posters you meant 'all players in game' rather than 'people who have more than 200 posts.

My umbrage regarding Monstr on page 84 was that he suddenly seemed to have a firm stand against Barto, and that the reasoning he gave after teasing the single egregious, motivating post (a post I found of no account) seemed to have nothing to do with anything, hit a number of generic notes used in casebuilding that struck me as inappropriate, and for all its verbiage compared to earlier Monstr chains came off as fabricated. In conjunction with the self-vote for Rep and bizarre statements to me, there was a gas leak that knocked us out for a few hours. We'll see how that works out eventually.

ok, that makes sense

fair enough

[Cuthillius]

and now i wait for zack's long ranty post which will make me sad inside

[Monstrdude]

yeah I did and it said in this game hed be inclined to do it. that means it could happen othertimes too and postcounts are THE stupidest reason to just town read people





why the change from screaming for monty her @monstr

Idk I lost faith in myself and my ability to make reads again

Feels like I've sucked this game except maybe in the villager reads department

[Monstrdude]

And even there I technically called choxorn villagery so

All I have is my tone ;.;

[Monstrdude]

It's okay

We'll be fine

[El Barto]

vote: Renata
Why her rather than Cass_ who has a 50% success rate?

Cuth, I see what I misunderstood now. For some reason I thought that by ">200" posters you meant 'all players in game' rather than 'people who have more than 200 posts.

My umbrage regarding Monstr on page 84 was that he suddenly seemed to have a firm stand against Barto, and that the reasoning he gave after teasing the single egregious, motivating post (a post I found of no account) seemed to have nothing to do with anything, hit a number of generic notes used in casebuilding that struck me as inappropriate, and for all its verbiage compared to earlier Monstr chains came off as fabricated. In conjunction with the self-vote for Rep and bizarre statements to me, there was a gas leak that knocked us out for a few hours. We'll see how that works out eventually.
Is the bolded part a RL thing or a metaphor?

[Monstrdude]

Why her rather than Cass_ who has a 50% success rate?

Is the bolded part a RL thing or a metaphor?

Cass wanted one of us to be the reps

She didn't say it but she secretly wants it

I also secretly think she wanted it to be me because even if she doesn't say it she's totally still freaking out about me potentially being a wolf and I guarantee you that

[Monstrdude]

Her language of constantly thinking about proverbial "deepwolves" and her placement of myself and Renata in this district along with El Barto pretty much points directly at her thinking that one of Renata and I potentially being a deepwolf

[El Barto]

…

…

…

I'll just assume Cass_ keeps her notes in a .txt file and you hacked into her computer.

[El Barto]

crosspost!

Her language of constantly thinking about proverbial "deepwolves" and her placement of myself and Renata in this district along with El Barto pretty much points directly at her thinking that one of Renata and I potentially being a deepwolf
Still, what/who/why?

[Monstrdude]

…

…

…

I'll just assume Cass_ keeps her notes in a .txt file and you hacked into her computer.

Lol no

She's just been saying it all game?

Like she didn't explicitly say it today but there's lots of things that point to it

[Monstrdude]

QUOTE=Monstrbro;2053729136]A few posts back have had some tone I don't like but this post prolly enough for me to

vote: montmorency

Prolly gone for a while now not sure if I'll make EoD this started at at really hectic time in my life

I'll be around more later tonight if I haven't missed anything

Playing on my phone and skimming because my compuser is broken so idk exactly when deadline is but I'll try to be back


Town-hunting is something Monstr does as Town. Not sure about his scum-game.
Mindmeld on the expressed thoughts to here and can ooook those he lists as possi-villagers but lolparanoia want to really catch up on them first.

Lolparanoia included Dice doesn't Town read me early, and you questioned his early GH vote immediately prior to this, why's he Town?


Gonna focus on catching up ITT. Have about 5 mins before family come home and then mafia playing is out-of-bounds until late tonight.[/QUOTE]

Like she says things like this all game

"Monstr probably town but I'm paranoid so secretly he's a deepwolf"

It didn't take sherlock Holmes to figure out she thinks I'm a deepwolf, and her avoiding explicitly town reading me pretty much points directly to her still thinking it

Unless she's secretly and off owning us all (unlikely)

[Monstrdude]

A wolf not and off

Sorry for my phone wrecking like 20% of my posts I wish I had a computer

[El Barto]

OK, right there is what I said earlier. You're posting a series of connected things based on references to posts which you're not linking to. Which are the posts in which Cass_ apparently wants you to be representative instead of her?

[El Barto]

A wolf not and off

Sorry for my phone wrecking like 20% of my posts I wish I had a computer
Heh, I just spent 20 minutes offline until I got the wifi working again. Don't worry.

[Monstrdude]

Monstr, this is probably total tinfoil but you sketch me out. Generally <3

Ily though

And this is just from searching her with my name keyworded.

There was more where she spoke directly to me

[El Barto]

I'm not even sure what she means by you sketching her out.

[Monstrdude]

Renata, Monstrbro - I will be on days off/should be able to be around to Rep/change my vote to the majority for our District towards EoD.

Happy to let one of you Rep if you can do the same - what will your movements be in last couple of hours of EoD?




What particularly do you like about the progression D1?Schema pushed and voted a now-confirmed Towny.

Why trust this over knowing your own alignment? You don't seem the lurker type either, so far.

Gun to head, who are your top choices for lynch right now?

And just ftr D3 Schema's jumps on Zack's 'Cass could be scum' consideration are making my skin crawl. Need to go back and look at *what happened with GH progression and if reasons were given for shifting to Cuth.

I'm leaning towards anyone from Cuth/Barto/Schema /District 1 aorn, *need a closer look at you and Riedquat.

She doesn't explicitly say it, and maybe I'm making assumptions but she said "I'll let you take over" and combined with "I think you can be a deepwolf" i said "okay I will take the lead then"

And then I crashed and burned

[Monstrdude]

That was why I 180'd on Barto

I wanted to take the lead on something so I did

Then I connected him to Montmorency and after successfully reading him wolf after 1 post in the other game got overconfident in my abilities and pushed too far in the other direction

I need to find a middle ground with my scum reads somehow

[Montmorency]

She doesn't explicitly say it, and maybe I'm making assumptions but she said "I'll let you take over" and combined with "I think you can be a deepwolf" i said "okay I will take the lead then"

And then I crashed and burned

She's explicitly saying she is OK with you as a Rep. She said she is capable of carrying out her duty as Rep, and that if either Renata or Monstr are capable of the same she is happy to see one of them in the position.

Nothing toward not wanting to be Rep, nothing relevant to scumreading you (privately, cryptically, or publicly).

She put you all in the same district because she - though I don't agree - feels that scumleans should be grouped in one district, and townleans in another. If anything she is townreading you with this.

[Monstrdude]

Unvote
Vote: Fenn

Until he answers my other two questions

[Monstrdude]

She's explicitly saying she is OK with you as a Rep. She said she is capable of carrying out her duty as Rep, and that if either Renata or Monstr are capable of the same she is happy to see one of them in the position.

Nothing toward not wanting to be Rep, nothing relevant to scumreading you (privately, cryptically, or publicly).

She put you all in the same district because she - though I don't agree - feels that scumleans should be grouped in one district, and townleans in another. If anything she is townreading you with this.

Yeah but she has been reminding me all game that she's skeptical of me so you'll have to excuse me if I take it with a grain of salt

[Monstrdude]

As for the other stuff, probably partly assumption

But I know from experience all about Cass and her paranoia so I figured it was a test for me or something idfk maybe I'm dum

[Renata]

I might not be around at EoD after all. I'll know by 4-5 hours prior.

[Zack]

would appreciate some sick chartz

[El Barto]

I might not be around at EoD after all. I'll know by 4-5 hours prior.
I won't be online either, but in Cass_ we trust.

would appreciate some sick chartz
Your posts are as illegible as Monstrbro's, but he at least tries.

[Zack]

You would know exactly what that meant if you'd read the thread.

[atheotes]

cuth
cass
monstr
visor
winston
renata
zack
dicetosser
atheotes
BSmith
schema
el barto
monty

riedquat
al sips
fenn


i just realized i missed jabbz in the iso

gimme a sec

is this in order?

[Winston Hughes]

Drunk.

Cass goat if scum.

Monstr boss if scum.

Cuth remarkable wim if scum.

Zack is my tunnel of love.

[Zack]

Drunk.

Cass goat if scum.

Monstr boss if scum.

Cuth remarkable wim if scum.

Zack is my tunnel of love.

think you meant to say

"Zack <superlative> if scum."

[Cuthillius]

is this in order?

yes, but i'm bumping monty to under BSmith rn

[Zack]

Drunk.

Cass goat if scum.

Monstr boss if scum.

Cuth remarkable wim if scum.

Zack is my tunnel of love.

think you meant to say

"Zack [superlative] if scum."

apparently bbcode ate it with <> tags

[Montmorency]

Monty wim if goat.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm too drunk to go looking, Zack.

What do you think of Cass, Monstr and Cuth today?

[Winston Hughes]

Monty has been ringing my scum bell again today.

Starting to worry about Visor a bit, too. D1 was townie, but it's all been very neat since.

Renata is pure town, though. If not, she's wrecking it.

[El Barto]

You would know exactly what that meant if you'd read the thread.
Wow, you suddenly start to use punctuation and capitalisation.

I'm too drunk to go looking
Then stop posting.

[Winston Hughes]

Then stop posting.

:sweatdrop:

[Winston Hughes]

Who's the scum, Tak?

[Monstrdude]

Wow, you suddenly start to use punctuation and capitalisation.

Then stop posting.

Don't get all high and grammar mighty if you can't even spell capitalization, sir

[Monstrdude]

Who's the scum, Tak?

Also I agree answer the question Barto, if that even is your real name

[El Barto]

:sweatdrop:
Don't have a cow, man!

Don't get all high and grammar mighty if you can't even spell capitalization, sir
Finish your sentence with a full stop. As a rule, I rarely use colonial orthography and grammar.


Who's the scum, Tak?Also I agree answer the question Barto, if that even is your real name
You might realise that I have already voted.

And my real name… I can't give you that, but my father's codename is El Homo.

[Visor]

Monty has been ringing my scum bell again today.

Starting to worry about Visor a bit, too. D1 was townie, but it's all been very neat since.

Renata is pure town, though. If not, she's wrecking it.

:evil:

[Monstrdude]

Don't have a cow, man!

Finish your sentence with a full stop. As a rule, I rarely use colonial orthography and grammar.

You might realise that I have already voted.

And my real name… I can't give you that, but my father's codename is El Homo.

Finish your face with a full stop

Monstrman a million El Barto negative the square root of four

[Monstrdude]

Capitalisation just looks so wrong tho

[Zack]

I'm too drunk to go looking, Zack.

What do you think of Cass, Monstr and Cuth today?
Go look imo

[Cuthillius]

bart, could i get you to put the playerlist in order from town to scum

[El Barto]

Finish your face with a full stop
I'll translate my usertitle for you, word for word:

Eat.

My.

Shorts.

[Cuthillius]

:evil:

your thread presence has been lacking, amigo mio

[Cuthillius]

I'll translate my usertitle for you, word for word:

Eat.

My.

Shorts.

but with more full stops than his actual undertitle

[Monstrdude]

Also Barto if I reread I wouldn't have been able to make my clever bad "if that even is your real name" quip and everyone would have suffered from that

This is for the greater good

[Monstrdude]

I'll translate my usertitle for you, word for word:

Eat.

My.

Shorts.

I approve of your reference.

What language is that?

[El Barto]

Also Barto if I reread I wouldn't have been able to make my clever bad "if that even is your real name" quip and everyone would have suffered from that

This is for the greater good
Tell that to them at Nurmengard.

I approve of your reference.

What language is that?
Obviously, it's Finnish.

[El Barto]

bart, could i get you to put the playerlist in order from town to scum
I haven't read about half the posts in the thread.

[Cuthillius]

I haven't read about half the posts in the thread.

all the more valuable then amiright

these are just gun to head read feelikinses

[Cuthillius]

El Barto
Monstrbro
Montmorency
Cass_
Renata
Al Sipsclar
Cuthillius
Zack
dicetosser1
atheotes
BSmith
Winston Hughes
Jabbz
Schema
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat

[Montmorency]

El Barto
Monstrbro
Montmorency
Cass_
Renata
Al Sipsclar
Cuthillius

Wait...

You're 7th-towniest? I'm townier than Cass and Renata? Barto is pure town?

[Cuthillius]

Wait...

You're 7th-towniest? I'm townier than Cass and Renata? Barto is pure town?

so you know how there's a player list in the OP

[Montmorency]

so you know how there's a player list in the OP

butwhy.gif

[Cuthillius]

butwhy.gif

so that takh couldn't say he was too lazy

[El Barto]

El Barto
Monstrbro
Montmorency
Cass_
Renata
Al Sipsclar
Cuthillius
Zack
dicetosser1
atheotes
BSmith
Winston Hughes
Jabbz
Schema
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
Thanks, I was trying to find atpg's latest player list. I will put it in some semblance of order within the hour.

[dicetosser1]

Don't have a cow, man!

Finish your sentence with a full stop. As a rule, I rarely use colonial orthography and grammar.

You might realise that I have already voted.

And my real name… I can't give you that, but my father's codename is El Homo.



colonial huh?? where are you from EL Barto?

[Montmorency]

Voting history in parentheses (not guaranteed to be complete).


<tbody>

Tally #C1 (Post #2722)



Blue
Green
Red


DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch


Fenn
Schema

Cuth


Schema


Cuth


Riedquat
Riedquat

Cuth


Cuthilius
Schema

(GH, Fenn, Barto), Barto


DISTRICT TWO





Cass
Cass (invalid)




Renata
Renata




Monstrbro
(Monstr), Renata

(Barto, Monty), Fenn


El Barto
Cass

Monty


DISTRICT THREE





Montmorency
Visor

Cuth


Al Sipsclar





Visor
Visor

Cuth


DISTRICT FOUR





Winston Hughes





Jabbz
Jabz




Zack
Zack

Cuth


DISTRICT FIVE





atheotes





BSmith





dicetosser1
dicetosser

Montmorency

[TR]
</tbody>


District Prospects:

1: Schema Rep, Cuth Lynch
2: Cass/Renata Rep, ? Lynch
3: Visor Rep, Cuth Lynch
4: ???
5: ???

Districts better get it in gear.

[Montmorency]

Schema, Cuth, and Montmorency placed lynchvotes on Cuth on Page 76, before redistricting had been implemented. Voting in earnest began Page 80.

[El Barto]

As I said, I haven't read about a third of the total posts here (they were probably all made by Monstrbro, but still) so I don't feel I can put them in real order, not so early in the game anyway.

El Barto: obviously town (read my role PM)
Cass_: highly likely town (50% success rate is not bad compared to usual town performances, if she were scum she would have just lynched me)

The following are neither cleared nor scum, these are just comments. I haven't done an ISO on anyone (my wifi broke down six times today, if I counted properly) and it's mostly vibes.
Also, someone posted something early on D2 about people being cleared by their actions on late D1, I agreed with that post and whatever I posted then should overwrite anything I post here.

Monstrbro: I'm not sure what to make of this. Someone shut him up though, he makes the thread unreadable.
Renata: pooo-ssible town.
Al Sipsclar: poo-sible town.
Cuthillius: scumscum
Zack: too aggressive, tries not to reply to me
dicetosser1 - ???
atheotes - probable town
BSmith - probable town
Winston Hughes - drunk, pretended my ‘I killed Sooh’ thing was real.
Jabbz - ???
Schema - don't know what to compare against.
Visor: can't bloody read him, could be scum or not. Don't see him as scum with Monty thought.
Riedquat: taking the mickey of us
Csargo/Fenn: Has posted too little.
Montmorency: powahgrabbah, my current vote.

[El Barto]

colonial huh?? where are you from EL Barto?
I'm from my place of origin.

[Montmorency]

So Cuth is town-scum, scum but town?

Why is Al on the same level as Renata?

Why are Jabbz and dice not together?

[Renata]

Monty, what's your read on Schema?

[Riedquat]

So Cuth is town-scum, scum but town?

Why is Al on the same level as Renata?

Why are Jabbz and dice not together?

It's not in any particular order Monty, by the time of the post I assume he was rushing going to bed ;)

[Zack]

day ends in 14 hours so I recommend people show up and vote and stuff :whip:

[atheotes]

Dice, please post your reads list. based on that i might be willing to vote you as rep.

[Montmorency]

Monty, what's your read on Schema?

Measured, low-impact reads of Visor, Zack, and Cuth. D3 read on Zack "could have her viewpoint challenged" on town lean, contains pandering to Zack on Cass conspiracy. To Cass on giving Zack another day on D2: "no more crazy than the rest of us." Sanguine on the GH lynch over Cuth d2, though voted on Cuth because though GH had less content Cuth "did something scummy". Maintains an airy sort of 'balanced' perspective on players, strategy, and game course which is superficially safe and offers less engagement and range than expected. Lady doth protest too much, or object too much as when I pointed out there isn't as much as she suggested dissociating her and Cuth. I'm still inclined to see a relationship for Cuth scum. Not as bad if Cuth town, scum schema here would be less likely to hedge on TownCuth.


It's not in any particular order Monty, by the time of the post I assume he was rushing going to bed ;)

No, look at it this way: the bottom-half of the list is scum, scum lean, and tak dealy. So if Cuth is literally "scum scum" and not sarcastically or flippantly, then putting him at the top among relative townleans should say something. Since whether consciously or not, the list does retain a town-scum spectral quality.

Beyond that, if jabbz &dice are equal nothings they might be together, just as "possi-town" al sips & Renata are together. Then that latter raises the question of why Al Sipsclar should be read in anywhere near the same territory or on similar terms as Renata. Since he didn't provide further notes on it.

#codedlanguage

[dicetosser1]

Dice, please post your reads list. based on that i might be willing to vote you as rep.

im not gonna lay out every one.

but

town

me
cass
monstr
probably cuth
Renata

zack gets his own category people have been pushing him since the start but I haven't seen anything scummy from him. the pushes just make me wonder

bunch of nulls


scummy end for me is

visor just cause he has dropped off since d1. d1 was good but the drop off has me a little tinfoily.
elbarto not helping claimed scum.
monty has been scummy as all game


part of my problem is that im behind from being sick and pizza hasn't updated the OP with who is dead or whgat their alignments were so atp im not totally certain exactly who is alive.

[Visor]

im not gonna lay out every one.

but

town

me
cass
monstr
probably cuth
Renata

zack gets his own category people have been pushing him since the start but I haven't seen anything scummy from him. the pushes just make me wonder

bunch of nulls


scummy end for me is

visor just cause he has dropped off since d1. d1 was good but the drop off has me a little tinfoily.
elbarto not helping claimed scum.
monty has been scummy as all game


part of my problem is that im behind from being sick and pizza hasn't updated the OP with who is dead or whgat their alignments were so atp im not totally certain exactly who is alive.

You haven't even interacted with me lol.

[dicetosser1]

I don't have to have interacted with you to see the driving force that was D1 visor has lessened.

its more of a tinfoil then a true read

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Visor
Vote: El Barto

Likely, not going to be around EOD.

Not lynching:
Cass_
Renata
atheotes
Winston Hughes
Visor

No idea:
Jabbz
dicetosser1
Fenn
Schema
Riedquat
Monstrbro

Ok to lynch:
Cuthillius
BSmith
Zack
Montmorency
El Barto

[Visor]

I think Dicetosser is a wolf, thoughts?

[Cass_]

If I was playing D1 I would have pushed Sooh too, at least until the PR claim (and IIRC Schema backed off at that point). APart from that I thought Schema did pretty well explaining her reasoning for her reads. And of course I'd like to be the rep, but I don't forsee getting elected. SOmebody has to vote for another person.

Top lynch choice right now is Cuthillius. El Barto maybe, but I think he can wait for later and he is less suspicious if Cuth is a wolf. I still haven't gotten around to doing the D2 reread like I was planning, need to ISO Riedquat and Schema too and compare them.

Fenn

Schema town-read Sooh.
Voted GH on YOLO over Chox D1, Voted Cuth over GH D2.

Have you got an updated list of reads?



Vote: Visor

I think that's wrong in the first place, unless you expect 2 or more of District 1 to be scum. But that's not even the thrust of my argument, which is that there is a select group of acceptable candidates and only people from that group should be getting elected by your grace. At the very least, if you think a given district is scummy, then put someone like Renata or yourself over them because they'll have no excuses not to elect you. Your justification for grouping your scum leans (or whatever those guys are) was to avoid their gaining power, but if you are correct in your reads then giving them power is precisely what you accomplish by giving them a district. As for gaining information from votes, there are plenty of good Rep candidates - Winston, Monstr, Visor, Zack - whom we need such information on. Fenn or Riedquat as Rep over one of those is clearly suboptimal.

By the way, your vote was invalid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Due5R99GmYE



:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

How's that, then? I demand an explanation. Frivolous sussing is out of vogue atp.

I see what you're saying, but you're running on the premise that we, as a game, only analyse the votes put in by District Reps, and that those decisions be made independently of who's in their district?

I reconsidered members voting the same as their rep for now, too hard to coordinate and scum can probably hide there just as easily. I still think reps should vote to represent the majority of votes in their district - yes or no to this?

We need information on everyone. The justification for grouping the lower tiered players was to make them accountable for their own actions. The idea was/is that the game's vote for lynch actually belongs to the majority of players (the majority of players in the game being Town), and not just those elected to represent the district.



Cass_

Regarding Barto btw, I don't think Barto is playing like in Snake Cult, where he seemed much more direct and engaged. If you'll recall, having read it, I found him scummy from the beginning and tunneled him until LYLO, at which point I saw something alarming in GH and pushed his lynch, at which point Town lost.

The similarities in Barto's play earlier here and Snake Cult (IMO) is the way everything seems more focused on being tongue-in-cheek than solvey, with no logical flow as to who he pushes other than OMGUS. The level of directness is more like Rappers imo, but the tone is different.

WRT Bold - you weren't in Snake Cult unless you were using a different name? And Barto was a NK, not a lynch???

[Cass_]

BSmith. Sorry about quoting all of his posts but they're few enough for 'em to be of significance.

/snip
Above is just [people are posting a lot, i can't]

I thought about this one for a bit. Yes, it's consensus'y for the most part, but I have a very hard time finding any sort of scum alignment in it. I agree with what it says about Barto and Zack. Disagree on the quality of Monty's cases, but that's nothing new and I get what he's trying to say.

Basically, unless somehow he's teamed with a deep wolf and has 0 agendas to advance whatsoever, I don't see this coming from scum.

mild solvy attitude and i do think it feels genuine[/spoiler]


Mildly confident on town here, actually.

How is a post that votes you, sheeping points made by other players, very hard for you to find any sort of scum alignment in, if you're Town?


Interesting theory: Bart-Monstr. Monstr townread Bart early D2 and hasn't addressed him or on him since then according to my records. Bart spent late D1 and early D2 scum-reading Monstr with a few sentences and minimal reasoning. By last game's standards, this could be indicative. Or at least, if you are one to scumread Bart here then you have to seriously consider the possibility of Monstr being his partner.

Only other substantive activity from Bart (on D2) was questions on hard-clear townies; OMGUS policy-vote and mutual-unvote game with Winston, Zack (threat and suss apropos of nothing), and dicetosser; interpret criticism from Renata as accusation of Bart-dicetosser team; question me on sus "Why specifically Csargo [Fenn]?";

Other stuff for accountability:

*Assume 5 start scum
*If Cuth town, Visor back on agenda, Schema townier

*If Cuth scum, revisit Al Sips, Jabbz - distortion on Zack?
*Someone said Cuth flips scum clears Barto - who? Cuth for his part scumleaned Bart D2 (along with GH and Zack)
*Winston looks better?
*Damaging to Monstr for early Cuth scum read, since then townread Cuth? Both Cuth and Monstr insist lynch low-posters first? Cuth reads Monstr town.

*People I would lynch before Barto if Cuth is scum: Schema, Fenn,
*If Cuth is not scum: Fenn, Winston

How is Schema Townier in Cuth Town scenario? Need to look at the timing of the posts, but Schema voted with Cuth consensus rather than GH, when GH was previous vote for her and up for a flip.

[Cass_]

I think Dicetosser is a wolf, thoughts?

Why?

Haven't ISO'd but he's null/prickling/possi-Town to me in what I've seen ITT. Main thing that bothered me was him early calling me Town/possi-buddying.

Who are your top scum at this point Visor? What do you make of Cuth's ISOs this phase? Does he ever make that sort of effort as a Wolf?

Zack, being around for start of the day and a push on me/Cuth/Barto, with a change in style after he was up for lynch, but not having added anything since?

Anyone else?

[Visor]

Why?

Haven't ISO'd but he's null/prickling/possi-Town to me in what I've seen ITT. Main thing that bothered me was him early calling me Town/possi-buddying.

Who are your top scum at this point Visor? What do you make of Cuth's ISOs this phase? Does he ever make that sort of effort as a Wolf?

Zack, being around for start of the day and a push on me/Cuth/Barto, with a change in style after he was up for lynch, but not having added anything since?

Anyone else?

Yes I'm sure he could make that effort as a wolf.

I don't really know at the moment, I was planning on setting an alarm for 4am and doing some ISOs then.

How do you read Dice, Cass? Explain his town and scum games to me.

[Cass_]

FWIW I can see TownDice making the Scumreads he listed at the bottom in the latest reads list /shrug.

?Unlikely that he's WW with Cuth following the 'Cuth is Town cos their ass looks big' defence. He used similar rational in our most recent game to read Sooh/Eldrick hydra. Some tinfoil that he'd expect me/maybe Monstr to defend him for exactly that... meh.

[Visor]

FWIW I can see TownDice making the Scumreads he listed at the bottom in the latest reads list /shrug.

?Unlikely that he's WW with Cuth following the 'Cuth is Town cos their ass looks big' defence. He used similar rational in our most recent game to read Sooh/Eldrick hydra. Some tinfoil that he'd expect me/maybe Monstr to defend him for exactly that... meh.

Why?

There is no evolution on his scum reads?

Its:

visor just cause he has dropped off since d1. d1 was good but the drop off has me a little tinfoily.
elbarto not helping claimed scum.
monty has been scummy as all game

Monty for ???? reasons (basically just acting weird).
El Barto for something he claimed D1 (or D2).
And me for not posting as much.

Where is the evolution of these reads?

[Visor]

The reasons he has are neither detailed or thorough and seem like phoning it in with respect to solving.

Can you explain his scum and town games to me Cass?

[Cass_]

Yes I'm sure he could make that effort as a wolf.

I don't really know at the moment, I was planning on setting an alarm for 4am and doing some ISOs then.

How do you read Dice, Cass? Explain his town and scum games to me.

I don't actually read him well IMO. My best efforts at reading Dice go like this.

"Dice LOCK TOWN! for x-ATTITUDE-thing" - but that's when I've been Scum. It worked, cos that's his meta. I haven't got a recent scum game to compare it with but I think the logic goes that as scum he's more careful/hesitant.

As Town... His gut scum reads can be pretty good. His general meta goes/went that the more blunt and bull-headed he is, the more likely he's Town, though mechanic logic will trump a bull-headed tunnel (eg TownDice won't ever push to lynch a claimed PR IIRC). He picks up on stuff that sh*ts him personally, and immediately votes against it.

IMO as Town, his paranoia of me is high, especially early game. Don't think I saw that here. Questioned it but it went nowhere.

He should become clearer with more content.

[Visor]

Then how long do you give him for that content?

When you're town what do you look for with Dice?

[Cass_]

Why?

There is no evolution on his scum reads?

Its:

visor just cause he has dropped off since d1. d1 was good but the drop off has me a little tinfoily.
elbarto not helping claimed scum.
monty has been scummy as all game

Monty for ???? reasons (basically just acting weird).
El Barto for something he claimed D1 (or D2).
And me for not posting as much.

Where is the evolution of these reads?


The reasons he has are neither detailed or thorough and seem like phoning it in with respect to solving.

Can you explain his scum and town games to me Cass?

Why not make him do it himself?

My take on it is:

AFAIK, Dice doesn't do evolution of his reads, he doesn't really do levels, he does Dice does Black/White, you Scum!

You came in as a driving force, you were loud and proud and then you took a backseat.
Barto - being Barto/incomprehensible.

These are oddities similar to the entry by GH. Red flags to a bull and he'd jump on them either way, and he's an easy mislynch for this behaviour.

Monstr may have more experience with actually reading him than I. TownDice read/defended TownMonstr's play well in the game we just finished. Pretty much all I've got.

[Visor]

Do you think Dice posts more as town over scum?

[Cass_]

Then how long do you give him for that content?

When you're town what do you look for with Dice?

Last game I null-tinfoiled on him til I died.
Might be easier if I link you to games?