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Not disagreeing or agreeing, just wondering, what about that do you dislike?
i assume because a wolf will be more concerned with pushing villagers than clearing them
You might like our Seamus Fermanagh. He's a Communications professor or sommat, though he seems to have retired from Mafia.
We have a Comm prof on our forums, though he teaches in China IIRC.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 08:54
i assume because a wolf will be more concerned with pushing villagers than clearing them
This too
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:54
In my eyes this argument holds a lot of weight
???
We have a Comm prof on our forums, though he teaches in China IIRC.
I was not aware of any such Comm prof's existence, who is it? Also you are now lock town for me, GJ.
Yeah, sure Zack, I'm using your hounding of me to avoid putting out the town and scum reads I already have to date. I get I misread you dude, but you need to get over yourself when it comes to me, you're just being an ass, and I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful. Cheers.
i hate how you keep using these faux polite phrases when you're being condescending
"you're being an ass. cheers mate! good day pal!"
stop it
I also don't get what your problem is with me. You've had a weird obsession and you keep inventing new reasons to keep your vote on me instead of talking about actual meaningful candidates for the lynch. It's annoying and I think you're wolfy for it, but you just keep dismissing that and moving the goalposts to make some highhanded remark on what you perceive to my bad behavior.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:56
Not disagreeing or agreeing, just wondering, what about that do you dislike?
meh
ime town tend to have more scum than town reads off the bat
particularly though it does feel like very much fishing for a lynch on any of three, 0-1 of which would be scum if teamed
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:56
#ruleofthrees
/commits suicide
i'm sorry you have an ego :P
you seriously always do it except when you're a wolf
oh, was that the hydra game?
you did it as a wolf in mountainous iirc
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:58
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:58
you did it as a wolf in mountainous iirc
i also did it as town in hydra
which is recent and actually relevant
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 08:59
anyway
i think there are probably
if visor is scum
one-two scum always in with him in that district
i definitely don't trust him with the power of that and highly recommend choosing someone else and yeah
zack did you start liking him more
Overall I find the argument against Sooh to be fairly compelling, there are a lot of posts that don't really say much of anything. The response they gave when confronting those arguments really came across as a last ditch scum effort to avoid swinging, figuring there was nothing left to lose, and feeling cornered. I feel for them, I've been there. It may be my irritation with his style, but I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown. At this point I'm ok with either being lynched.
I'm still feeling solid about Cass for Grand High Muckymuck. Unlike the votes for Zack, these feel earned by solid analysis and examination of how the game would function, and how Cass could impact that as Muckymuck, Grand High grade.
Cass, I did find your arguments about why I should be voting for myself to be district rep compelling to a point, but I think I value getting a solid read on one of the two players I know vs trying to read everyone in my group and determining whether or not I should follow their lead and vote accordingly, or strike off on my own. It also sounds like more work, and since I just started my winter break, doesn't sound fun.
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
her
i also did it as town in hydra
which is recent and actually relevant
why is mountainous less relevant than a game where visor did nothing but troll
I was not aware of any such Comm prof's existence, who is it? Also you are now lock town for me, GJ.
Lewwyn IIRC.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:02
also i just saw sharknado and i can't stop laughing
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:02
why is mountainous less relevant than a game where visor did nothing but troll
bc i was town in the hydra game
and he's playing more like that as far as attitude than he did in mountainous
and i'm not just talking about lolcatting vs shitposting
I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown..
what?
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:04
Overall I find the argument against Sooh to be fairly compelling, there are a lot of posts that don't really say much of anything. The response they gave when confronting those arguments really came across as a last ditch scum effort to avoid swinging, figuring there was nothing left to lose, and feeling cornered. I feel for them, I've been there. It may be my irritation with his style, but I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown. At this point I'm ok with either being lynched.
I'm still feeling solid about Cass for Grand High Muckymuck. Unlike the votes for Zack, these feel earned by solid analysis and examination of how the game would function, and how Cass could impact that as Muckymuck, Grand High grade.
Cass, I did find your arguments about why I should be voting for myself to be district rep compelling to a point, but I think I value getting a solid read on one of the two players I know vs trying to read everyone in my group and determining whether or not I should follow their lead and vote accordingly, or strike off on my own. It also sounds like more work, and since I just started my winter break, doesn't sound fun.
cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum
i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game
and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack
who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need
what time is eod again
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:04
her
kek
cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum
i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game
and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack
who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need
what time is eod again
i've been scum with cass multiple times and she REALLY struggles to talk
what time is eod again
11:30 PST, can't remember what time zone you are in.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:07
i've been scum with cass multiple times and she REALLY struggles to talk
hydra 8 she talked plenty
tone was a little different but she did keep up as far as word count
had giant talky walls
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 09:07
Zack, you have an interesting habit of speaking up on players' personal details.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:08
11:30 PST, can't remember what time zone you are in.
is this pm or am
Zack, you have an interesting habit of speaking up on players' personal details.
huh?
is this pm or am
It is glorious 24 hour time comrade.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 09:10
it's am
oh that's fun
oh well
ugh
Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started
lolchox
I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with. Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:
i instinctively hate generic pr claims like that especially combined with the passive-aggressive sentiment
but wolves are usually big cowards who claim vt
I also hate generic PR claims and don't see what the point is of soft-claiming and trying to string everyone along unless you have some kind of uber-secret mafia-killing thing of doom going on, and it would be an easy claim to lie about because you're not being specific, and I don't like how she's reacted to pressure, but I also don't think she's scum for it.
No real opinion yet on most people.
Last, but not least:
wow is float on the only modest mouse song that isn't actual garbage?
https://media.tenor.co/images/e7a5ef64aa378330bd9f5eb66008c617/raw
atheotes
12-19-2016, 09:36
Sooh should not be lynched today.
I think Zack is going to vote Jabbz and i dont want GH to be the rep.
so, Vote: Cass
Vote: Winston
atheotes
12-19-2016, 09:46
<tbody>
Tally # 4
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cass
Cuthillius
Cuth
Zack
Visor
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Jabbz
Choxorn
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Sooh
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Dice
Cass
Monty
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Visor
Winston
El barto
BSmith
Visor
Visor
Visor
Sooh
Csargo
Winston
Monty
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Winston
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Sooh
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Cass
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
Monty
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
Jabbz
atheotes
Cass
Winston
El barto
</tbody>
i hate how you keep using these faux polite phrases when you're being condescending
"you're being an ass. cheers mate! good day pal!"
stop it
I also don't get what your problem is with me. You've had a weird obsession and you keep inventing new reasons to keep your vote on me instead of talking about actual meaningful candidates for the lynch. It's annoying and I think you're wolfy for it, but you just keep dismissing that and moving the goalposts to make some highhanded remark on what you perceive to my bad behavior.
It's not faux polite Zack, I'm a polite person as a general rule. I find life to be more enjoyable that way. Further, I would say that what you're viewing as condescension is being misread. Regardless, you might genuinely be missing my points as opposed to being a scum who found a target they find easy and is sticking to them, or just someone that tunnels on anyone that accuses them OMGUS style. So to try to rectify that potential situation, I'll break down my "problem" as you state it, with you.
It starts in #109 where I make the observation that I found your rapid votes to be fishy. Please note I also made the observation it could be due to your fellow players having a solid opinion of you, saying "That could simply be his personality, we have some very good townies on my board as well."
In #190 I conflate you and Dp101, though you don't really see where I'm confusing the two of you until #193. That's when I make claims about you that are actually arguments DP101 makes. You then, validly, question what the hell I was talking about, and then through out the "lolpressurevotes" comment.
In #197 I point out we use a different style, and try to not be a dick in response to your belittling statement. I again confuse you for Dp, going into detail about why that plan was bad. In the next post, #198, you note that you didn't say the things, and then instead of wondering how I made the mistake, you just say I'm full of it, which is surprising because you also read Dp's posts, and should have recognized the source, but whatever, that's fine.
Then, where it should have stopped, in #206, I acknowledge my mistake. I apologize to you for making unfounded arguments, and explain why I use pressure votes. Instead however in #216, you ignore my apology, and instead attack my logic as wolfy. At this point, the only reason my vote is on you is because I haven't gotten around to unvoting, and I'm not making further arguments against you, but you're being hyper defensive anyway.
In #228 I call you out on that, addressing your question about how many people were voting for you, and commenting that picking one part of my argument out and ignoring the rest as context is invalid. I also note a few posts down in response to Cass that my choice of Cass as chancellor wasn't in relation to you, but stood by itself based on their arguments.
There is a long lull, then you pick up on my post #390 where I explain how I feel day 1 is more for setting baselines. You say "isn't the best way to establish trends and analysis to treat it seriously and play it like any other day?" The next post you say you can't understand why people read me as town, followed by an argument saying it "seemed like artificial support from wolfbros." Two posts later you drop a vote on me with no further reasoning given.
I address that I feel I've been playing the day just like I would any other day in #404, responding directly to your comments in depth, and noting that your vote is sketchy. Rather than deal with it, you jump to a Tu quoque fallacy, saying that I can't call your argument about me bad because I said people early voting for you was potentially suspicious.
Then the real fun begins. In #406 you say "and if you actually read what i said instead of inserting your own interpretation as you seem wont to do, you'd realize that comment was an afterthought as a possible explanation for the number of inexplicable townreads on you" The problem is you gave zero other reason for putting a vote on me. Reading it as your justification, sandwiched between your vote and a comment on how day 1 should be played. Then you try to insult me with your "if you need me to explain..." comment.
I then drop some serious responses to your arguments, two nice pretty paragraphs worth. Your (non) response is to say you don't understand what I'm talking about and that my second paragraph is "rich". You don't respond to any of my arguments, you try to blow it off while attempting to insult me yet again.
In #413 you try to drive another shot at me with your "making up new reasons not to change his vote from me" comment, that ignores the arguments I gave that you evidently didn't feel were worth understanding or responding to.
That's pretty much our entire engagement prior to the 700's. I respond to your "second paragraph is rich" comment, to which your only response is to accuse me of not making reads, which I had been doing, and ignore you asking what my thoughts on the wagons were, which you asked after I said I was leaving, and responded to shortly after I posted when I returned.
Then In #749 I make my only statement that could be less than polite when I point out you're being an ass. A statement I will repeat here. You have, for whatever reason, decided you have a problem with me. I don't see you insulting anyone else, so I must be special in that department. I've been polite to you, as I am to everyone. I don't act condescendingly, I simply pointed out repeatedly that you were being non-responsive to my posts. You ask a question, I answer, and then you pretend I never said anything, or cherry pick out one or two things. Its either rude, wolfy, or both. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming its wolfy, because I don't know you and I can't imagine you have found a reason to dislike me already.
I'm done with this argument Zack. You have no valid reason to vote against me. You have no valid reason to be rude to me. Regardless I don't think either will change, but I've wasted enough energy on this. If you bring up new comments, like the observation about the voting with no reps having been selected yet, I'll be happy to engage with you on that, as for the rest, come up with a better reason to vote for me, or not, I don't much care at this point.
Cheers.
TLDR: Zack has no valid reasons for voting for me or being rude, he doesn't respond to my arguments, and that's wolfy as hell.
It may be my irritation with his style, but I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown.
what?
I'm referencing this.
i hear ya it's a decent case
not sure if i will follow because of ego and competing for n1 kill etc
what?
You talk about not voting for them because of competing for n1 kill. You have a weak argument against me, and only one other person is currently voting for me out of 21. Hell, I'm not even 2nd behind Sooh, that would be Visor, then tied for third would be you, me, elbarto and monty. The idea that I'm competition for Sooh with their 5 votes seems unlikely. This is your only articulated reason for not voting for them, and it comes off as an attempt to avoid committing to whether someone is fishy or not, something scum buddies often like to do.
And with that, I'm crashing. It's 1:02 ugh, so did not realize it was this late. Gnight all.
instead of wondering how I made the mistake, you just say I'm full of it, which is surprising because you also read Dp's posts, and should have recognized the source
is this a joke??
it's all just hogwash and i really don't even know to respond to it because it's just... ridiculous and rife with hypocrisy. The line I quoted above is particularly absurd and shows that you seem to have a lot of trouble even understanding how I might be thinking.
I'm referencing this.
You talk about not voting for them because of competing for n1 kill. You have a weak argument against me, and only one other person is currently voting for me out of 21. Hell, I'm not even 2nd behind Sooh, that would be Visor, then tied for third would be you, me, elbarto and monty. The idea that I'm competition for Sooh with their 5 votes seems unlikely. This is your only articulated reason for not voting for them, and it comes off as an attempt to avoid committing to whether someone is fishy or not, something scum buddies often like to do.
that line was obviously not serious
I also as a rule don't like to lynch claimed PRs on d1, how incredibly wolfy of me.
also you don't understand how the lynch works, re-read the opening posts
iirc renata and i are both in contention for district rep (in different districts) and both voting you, so you are in fact a viable wagon
i also already explained the claimed PR thing with sooh, which you ignored
there's also plenty of time left for me to change my vote
this is what i have been talking about when i say you keep twisting my words and actions to justify a vote on me. How many times can it be an "accident"? You either ignore other things I have said, misattribute things others have said to me, or misrepresent it. And then you wonder why I'm annoyed with you or how I could possibly think you're being wolfy.
Like, HALF of your reason for voting me was for something dp101 said. When it was determined that I didn't say it, HE did, you completely dropped it. How come you didn't then think dp101 was suspicious? Because it's all just made up crap.
i don't get the "easy target" thing either, winston (?) mentioned it too
you are not an easy target, half the game thinks you're town for some inexplicable reason
but whatever, there's a narrative to write
<tbody>
Tally # 4
Blue
Green
Red
Choxorn
Zack
You missed my district vote for Cuth.
It's not faux polite Zack, I'm a polite person as a general rule. I find life to be more enjoyable that way. Further, I would say that what you're viewing as condescension is being misread. Regardless, you might genuinely be missing my points as opposed to being a scum who found a target they find easy and is sticking to them, or just someone that tunnels on anyone that accuses them OMGUS style. So to try to rectify that potential situation, I'll break down my "problem" as you state it, with you.
It starts in #109 where I make the observation that I found your rapid votes to be fishy. Please note I also made the observation it could be due to your fellow players having a solid opinion of you, saying "That could simply be his personality, we have some very good townies on my board as well."
In #190 I conflate you and Dp101, though you don't really see where I'm confusing the two of you until #193. That's when I make claims about you that are actually arguments DP101 makes. You then, validly, question what the hell I was talking about, and then through out the "lolpressurevotes" comment.
In #197 I point out we use a different style, and try to not be a dick in response to your belittling statement. I again confuse you for Dp, going into detail about why that plan was bad. In the next post, #198, you note that you didn't say the things, and then instead of wondering how I made the mistake, you just say I'm full of it, which is surprising because you also read Dp's posts, and should have recognized the source, but whatever, that's fine.
Then, where it should have stopped, in #206, I acknowledge my mistake. I apologize to you for making unfounded arguments, and explain why I use pressure votes. Instead however in #216, you ignore my apology, and instead attack my logic as wolfy. At this point, the only reason my vote is on you is because I haven't gotten around to unvoting, and I'm not making further arguments against you, but you're being hyper defensive anyway.
In #228 I call you out on that, addressing your question about how many people were voting for you, and commenting that picking one part of my argument out and ignoring the rest as context is invalid. I also note a few posts down in response to Cass that my choice of Cass as chancellor wasn't in relation to you, but stood by itself based on their arguments.
There is a long lull, then you pick up on my post #390 where I explain how I feel day 1 is more for setting baselines. You say "isn't the best way to establish trends and analysis to treat it seriously and play it like any other day?" The next post you say you can't understand why people read me as town, followed by an argument saying it "seemed like artificial support from wolfbros." Two posts later you drop a vote on me with no further reasoning given.
I address that I feel I've been playing the day just like I would any other day in #404, responding directly to your comments in depth, and noting that your vote is sketchy. Rather than deal with it, you jump to a Tu quoque fallacy, saying that I can't call your argument about me bad because I said people early voting for you was potentially suspicious.
Then the real fun begins. In #406 you say "and if you actually read what i said instead of inserting your own interpretation as you seem wont to do, you'd realize that comment was an afterthought as a possible explanation for the number of inexplicable townreads on you" The problem is you gave zero other reason for putting a vote on me. Reading it as your justification, sandwiched between your vote and a comment on how day 1 should be played. Then you try to insult me with your "if you need me to explain..." comment.
I then drop some serious responses to your arguments, two nice pretty paragraphs worth. Your (non) response is to say you don't understand what I'm talking about and that my second paragraph is "rich". You don't respond to any of my arguments, you try to blow it off while attempting to insult me yet again.
In #413 you try to drive another shot at me with your "making up new reasons not to change his vote from me" comment, that ignores the arguments I gave that you evidently didn't feel were worth understanding or responding to.
That's pretty much our entire engagement prior to the 700's. I respond to your "second paragraph is rich" comment, to which your only response is to accuse me of not making reads, which I had been doing, and ignore you asking what my thoughts on the wagons were, which you asked after I said I was leaving, and responded to shortly after I posted when I returned.
Then In #749 I make my only statement that could be less than polite when I point out you're being an ass. A statement I will repeat here. You have, for whatever reason, decided you have a problem with me. I don't see you insulting anyone else, so I must be special in that department. I've been polite to you, as I am to everyone. I don't act condescendingly, I simply pointed out repeatedly that you were being non-responsive to my posts. You ask a question, I answer, and then you pretend I never said anything, or cherry pick out one or two things. Its either rude, wolfy, or both. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming its wolfy, because I don't know you and I can't imagine you have found a reason to dislike me already.
I'm done with this argument Zack. You have no valid reason to vote against me. You have no valid reason to be rude to me. Regardless I don't think either will change, but I've wasted enough energy on this. If you bring up new comments, like the observation about the voting with no reps having been selected yet, I'll be happy to engage with you on that, as for the rest, come up with a better reason to vote for me, or not, I don't much care at this point.
Cheers.
TLDR: Zack has no valid reasons for voting for me or being rude, he doesn't respond to my arguments, and that's wolfy as hell.
And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...
Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.
cuth how do you sleep at night?
why on earth do you think I am scum, what in GODS NAME is wrong with my push on Sooh.
GO READ WHAT I QUOTED AND REFUTE ANY SINGLE PART OF IT.
I want you to TELL ME that the 25 posts of absolute NOTHING in relation to the game at hand is villagery. PLEASE. Tell me it is how a villager plays the game. From someone who is up to date and continually catches up and provides absolutely ZERO relevant thoughts on the game state at numerous times.
And you think I am a wolf pushing that for ????????????????????????????? reasons?
TELL ME HOW SHE IS A VILLAGER FROM THE POSTS SHE HAS MADE.
I didn't want to go all caps, but you seem to be interested in showcasing some serious performance art, so please, show me.
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
Sooh is always UTR? WHAT. You do realise I am calling her out for saying LITERALLY NOTHING in 25 posts? Not NOT ENOUGH.
How is it SUB PAR
Did you read a THING I SAID?
in the hydra game I joked around the entire game because the rest of my team bar zack was COMPLETELY INACTIVE.
DISTRICT ONE
Schema - bleh
Cuthillius - weird and bleh
Renata - fine
Choxorn - meh
Dp101 - meh
Jabbz - wolf
dicetosser1 - meh
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes - meh
BSmith - has he made a post?
Visor - town
Csargo - has he made a post?
Riedquat - has he made a post?
El Barto - bleh
Monstrbro - town
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency - meh
Al Sipsclar - has he made a post?
Sooh - claimed pr but otherwise bleh
Cass_ - town
GeneralHankerchief - meh
Zack - (mm)
atheotes - town
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well that was kinda depressing
anyways good night, i'll be here before eod
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 10:24
As scum, Zack vs. Jabbz brings would bring me great joy.
Je ne regrette pas de rire
But Visor ruins it. Maybe Sooh can vig him.
Tell me it is how a villager plays the game.
Why should we believe that it isn't?
cuth how do you sleep at night?
why on earth do you think I am scum, what in GODS NAME is wrong with my push on Sooh.
GO READ WHAT I QUOTED AND REFUTE ANY SINGLE PART OF IT.
I want you to TELL ME that the 25 posts of absolute NOTHING in relation to the game at hand is villagery. PLEASE. Tell me it is how a villager plays the game. From someone who is up to date and continually catches up and provides absolutely ZERO relevant thoughts on the game state at numerous times.
And you think I am a wolf pushing that for ????????????????????????????? reasons?
TELL ME HOW SHE IS A VILLAGER FROM THE POSTS SHE HAS MADE.
I didn't want to go all caps, but you seem to be interested in showcasing some serious performance art, so please, show me.
Sooh is always UTR? WHAT. You do realise I am calling her out for saying LITERALLY NOTHING in 25 posts? Not NOT ENOUGH.
How is it SUB PAR
Did you read a THING I SAID?
in the hydra game I joked around the entire game because the rest of my team bar zack was COMPLETELY INACTIVE.
fake wolfy anger
cuth how do you sleep at night?
lol
As scum, Zack vs. Jabbz brings would bring me great joy.
Je ne regrette pas de rire
But Visor ruins it. Maybe Sooh can vig him.
Why should we believe that it isn't?
Sometimes I wonder if we are of the same species.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 10:28
Interspecies love is real, Futurazack.
Zack, before I blow a gasket at cuth tunneling me d1 yet again
how likely do you think that this is a repeat of mountainous?
also the discussion about who is being rude re zack and jabbz is stupid
just play the game
Zack, before I blow a gasket at cuth tunneling me d1 yet again
how likely do you think that this is a repeat of mountainous?
Reasonably? I dunno
I think he's being absurd which unfortunately is par for the course
But not really in the way that I think he acts as town? Idk, i can't even comprehend why he is pushing you.
I think he has decent wolf equity but so do a lot of people and he at least is someone that will get easier to read with time
It's super late and i made like fifteen typos trying to post this on my phone in bed
Yikes that was stupid and went nowhere
Just ignored everything i said after"reasonably"
alright cuth you have infuriated me enough that I went and quoted every single one of your posts regarding me from mountainous
visor hasn't posted 200 times so he's a wolf :fine:
i do kinda think his entry was weak
the amount of visorsheeping going on bothers me a little
i think visor might be scum
posting reminds me of the turbos where he slanked
also a "soulread" on scoobs who is sheeping his vote
Cuthalion
Zack
Empoof
dyachei
Wytch
Sociopath
Scoobs
lulz
Phighter
NeedMoreManasi
Visorslash
MarkoRaj
Fable
MarkoRaj something like that
i don't think the phi lynch is that justified
half of the people are sheeping visor and the other half are reading him for p much no reason beyond slanking
Visorslash
still open to marko or fable lol
Visorslash
Read through visor's ISO and I'll pass thx.
why do you think he's town
why the votes on visor?
i kinda think he's scum
similar to slankish turbos i've seen before
lacking a certain amount of fire
reminds me a bit of mike hunt lol
why the votes on visor?
i kinda think he's scum
similar to slankish turbos i've seen before
lacking a certain amount of fire
reminds me a bit of mike hunt lol
he laid slank cover pre-game iirc
i know
that's why i'm saying
given that he seems more like slanking scum visor than town to me
Read through visor's ISO and I'll pass thx.
why do you think he's town
He's given his reasoning for his reads (Though I disagree with a number of them) and his tone seems villagery overall, I don't actually see any reason to wolf read him as of right now.
lol?
he's given reasoning for his reads?
he randomly voted at a bunch of different people and then said two wolves are in four people
he's talked a bit more since then, but i don't see how you reach that conclusion
not that giving reasons for his reads is a particular trait of villager Visor in any case
no but saying that's why you find him towny when he's done very little of it in this game is also not the best
fable
"he's talked a bit more since then, but i don't see how you reach that conclusion"
he gave one sparse read wall and elaborated on it once
this is after he's voted like 5 people without reasoning and been sheeped on several of them
I'll play how I want
Lolu
i'm not wolfreading you for not giving reads
it's how you play
i DO take issue with fable townreading you for giving reads
i think visor might be scum
posting reminds me of the turbos where he slanked
also a "soulread" on scoobs who is sheeping his vote
why the votes on visor?
i kinda think he's scum
similar to slankish turbos i've seen before
lacking a certain amount of fire
reminds me a bit of mike hunt lol
he laid slank cover pre-game iirc
i know
that's why i'm saying
given that he seems more like slanking scum visor than town to me
i kinda think he's scum
similar to slankish turbos i've seen before
lacking a certain amount of fire
reminds me a bit of mike hunt lol
you're very mikey this game
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
you're very mikey this game
time to die in a fire cuth
Vote: Cuthillius
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 10:45
Visor, how the F did your quotes - what
wHAT?
How have you been anything like mike in this game anyways
you're very mikey this game
the quotes from the mountainous games are from a game on MU where I was town and Cuth was scum and he shot me n1 because i pushed him and his wolf bro
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 10:48
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And threads from 2005. What did you do, Visor?
OK going to bed for realz
Will read cuth in more detail in the morning
Schema too cause raisins
Insert the person also because lists need the things and there's probably a third person i should look over again. Maybe ask the have they even posted guys, or winston, or monty, or a meh person. Or maybe I'll just be lazy and not
And threads from 2005. What did you do, Visor?
From a different site
Cuth also mega town read me in that mountainous game without really exciting it
Okbye
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 10:59
I am a town PR, so thanks for the pushes and making me claim on D1.
Yup. I'm pretty sure I'm the ONLY ONE this game who hasn't said much.
Whatever. Even if you find another lynch candidate I'll be dead tomorrow, so.
I don't like these posts tonally. ive seen sooh get a bit emo about not being listened to and being mislynched but it didn't sound like this.
it makes me nervous.
But she IS claiming town PR peeps need to get off her. And yes I know shes been vague. im hoping D2 we find out what she is
I wanted to comment on this actually.
@ Dice, did wheels turning and the vote mean that you were reading me Town there?
Also - Cop, Doc, Vig?
wheels turning means I can see you thinking. youre aussie enuff to know that maroon. the bote? I think ure the best choice. ive got u at 60-65% town but if you think im trusting MY ability to read you correctly ure nuts. Part of the advantage to making you the boss is I get to watch you make ure choices, I suggest you make sure you do it ITT.
COP and DOC is same answer Sooh. If sooh is cop then cop you. id rather get u two straight early so I then have people I can work with
vig hankerchief
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
ummm what??? UTR sooh means scum sooh. How much have you played with her?
[QUOTE=Zack;2053729554]i've been scum with cass multiple times and she REALLY struggles to talk
chokes. exweese me? This is cass your talking about? She of the massive WOT? She of constant verbal diarrhoea about her paranoia? She who does this as scum which she has randed on DM 50% of the time? THAT cass??
cass do you play differently here?
DISTRICT ONE
Schema - bleh
Cuthillius - weird and bleh
Renata - fine
Choxorn - meh
Dp101 - meh
Jabbz - wolf
dicetosser1 - meh
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes - meh
BSmith - has he made a post?
Visor - town
Csargo - has he made a post?
Riedquat - has he made a post?
El Barto - bleh
Monstrbro - town
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency - meh
Al Sipsclar - has he made a post?
Sooh - claimed pr but otherwise bleh
Cass_ - town
GeneralHankerchief - meh
Zack - (mm)
atheotes - town
---
well that was kinda depressing
anyways good night, i'll be here before eod
Zack confirmed not reading the thread.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 11:02
Monty, you have been fairly active in the thread. can you give me your list of reads?
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 11:07
I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.
As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 11:11
District 3 towny, District 1 powerful".
Sorry, other way around.
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 11:13
I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.
As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.
can u explain what u mean by powerful?
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 11:27
can u explain what u mean by powerful?
DISTRICT ONE
Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Choxorn
Dp101
Jabbz
dicetosser1
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor - power
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief
Zack
atheotes
Cass, Zack, and GH are powerful in District 3, while District 1 has Renata and District 2 has Visor and maybe Winston.
Powerful players are more likely to maintain the direction of activities, to express plausible goals and conditions, and to achieve their goals.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 11:31
I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.
As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.
btw, thanks for keeping tally with me.
I am asking about individuals. So you have reads on only 4 ppl? that is very small number. Why do you think you have such a small number of reads?
I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.
Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.
I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely. It is likely that my vote does not change from Cuthillius, and I would like support from the other likely electors.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 11:38
that is very small number.
I don't believe so.
Why do you think you have such a small number of reads?
Secret records. Behind-the-scenes notes that mean nothing to outsiders.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 11:40
Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.
I already have. I'm not sorry that I can't grace you with a case based on everything you will do before you do it. That's life.
I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely.
I knew it. Goddarn dog whistle. I see what you're talking about. Are you ready to directly answer my question on how you will use your ability?
atheotes
12-19-2016, 12:45
I don't believe so.
Secret records. Behind-the-scenes notes that mean nothing to outsiders.
Maybe you can categorize them in a form that everyone can understand?
atheotes
12-19-2016, 12:57
I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.
Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.
I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely. It is likely that my vote does not change from Cuthillius, and I would like support from the other likely electors.
I did not see anything alignment indicative from Cuth. I will read again because it looks like it might come down to you vs Cuth and to be decided by Cass. Wait what happens if the same person is leading for District rep and Chancellor?
Valid observation, and amusing the rest of us missed it. Perhaps our votes for rep goes through first, then their vote for lynch is tallied?
Not to get too paranoid and OMG scum slip on someone I was already voting or whatever, but what on earth is this post replying to? I've just read all the posts leading up to it, and there seems to be nothing it could possibly be. Jabbz
If you are so sure you are going to be lynched, then any reads you have are useful to town. While we won't trust your judgement necessarily, at least we can trust your perspective to be townish, and your words would be the only unimpeachable ones in game. Gives us what you can, and I will be grateful, even if no one else is (which I doubt would be the case).
TEEE EMMM IIII
You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.
LOL @ Monstrbro for calling this villagey.
Yeah, sure Zack, I'm using your hounding of me to avoid putting out the town and scum reads I already have to date. I get I misread you dude, but you need to get over yourself when it comes to me, you're just being an ass, and I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful. Cheers.
So are you saying your earlier scumread on Zack is now a townread? With zero progression? Even if "I misread you" refers to something specific instead a general read on Zack, "I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful" doesn't seem like the sort of thing you say to your top scum suspect. Or about comments about yourself, for that matter.
Please explain.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 13:08
I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.
Not sure I trust my judgement of Cuth, as I know that as town he does things I find incredibly scummy.
Nevertheless...
i strongly dislike this post
Responding to Monty.
Maybe just a gut reaction, but that word 'strongly' could do with greater explanation than the drop-and-run it gets.
zack, cass, dp, all town
visor>monstr scum
mm
monty weirds me out a little but i don't think he's worth thinking about right now, plus he can resolve through connections
I'm not on board with the Zack=town bit here. No idea how anyone ever reads him straight town from early exchanges, given his skill at fakery. Zack's clearly going to be powerful here, so you can see how a snuggle might appeal.
Dp and Cass are easy names to put on a town list.
Don't even understand the visor>monstr thing.
Previous 'strongly dislike' of Monty post now translates as 'slight weirdness, ignore it for now'.
Vote: Cuthillius
Vote: Zack
Vote: Visor
Self-vote is cheap.
Zack-vote is cheap.
Visor-vote seems a little risky if scum, but lack of explanation makes it much less so than it might have been.
interesting
care to elaborate what you mean
hi
This to Monstr.
Far as I can see Monstr doesn't reply, and Cuth doesn't follow up.
So not that interesting.
Abortive w/w exchange not beyond possibility here.
gh could also be scum
Obvious thought, phrased weakly and unjustified.
eh
i think this is scum visor
he's saying the right things but i really feel like it's off
he hedges on zack initially
he's just off
and then monstr pops into thread and basically just says that he thinks visor is town in a certain way
meh
wrt monty he has taken a number (which i think is over one but am not fully sure) of relatively strong stances for/against players that will go farther towards resolving his alignment than his posting alone
can you summarize your thoughts on the gamestate; in particular talk to me about our district
In reply to Renata.
Visor read is all gut, with 'hedging' barely even an excuse of a reason. Monstr reaction flows pure and direct from Visor read.
Monty explanation is reasonable but easy. Would have been much more helpful if Cuth had given some explanation for his strong reaction to Monty's post in the first place, so that some kind of thought progression might have been observed.
visor is lacking
you're very mikey this game
Lack of anything to help others understand the read makes these pure spam.
More to follow.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 13:09
You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.
Well, yes, that was presumably the idea. :inquisitive:
Overall I find the argument against Sooh to be fairly compelling, there are a lot of posts that don't really say much of anything. The response they gave when confronting those arguments really came across as a last ditch scum effort to avoid swinging, figuring there was nothing left to lose, and feeling cornered. I feel for them, I've been there. It may be my irritation with his style, but I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown. At this point I'm ok with either being lynched.
I'm still feeling solid about Cass for Grand High Muckymuck. Unlike the votes for Zack, these feel earned by solid analysis and examination of how the game would function, and how Cass could impact that as Muckymuck, Grand High grade.
Cass, I did find your arguments about why I should be voting for myself to be district rep compelling to a point, but I think I value getting a solid read on one of the two players I know vs trying to read everyone in my group and determining whether or not I should follow their lead and vote accordingly, or strike off on my own. It also sounds like more work, and since I just started my winter break, doesn't sound fun.
This about Sooh from someone who just trotted out a patronizing post about how she should always share her thoughts if she thinks she's about to be mislynched, because then at least we can trust they come from a town perspective. No progression. It's just words.
I'm done commenting post by post now because this is getting ridiculous. Either Jabbz is the scummiest scum who ever scummed or we're on totally different wavelengths and always will be. I'll make a proper summary in a couple hours and what will be will be.
I did not see anything alignment indicative from Cuth. I will read again because it looks like it might come down to you vs Cuth and to be decided by Cass. Wait what happens if the same person is leading for District rep and Chancellor?
I imagine they become both district rep and chancellor and can break ties
aka supreme power
aka give it to me
Renatas recent posts read very well to me.
Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started
lolchox
I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with. Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:
I also hate generic PR claims and don't see what the point is of soft-claiming and trying to string everyone along unless you have some kind of uber-secret mafia-killing thing of doom going on, and it would be an easy claim to lie about because you're not being specific, and I don't like how she's reacted to pressure, but I also don't think she's scum for it.
No real opinion yet on most people.
Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.
Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.
100% agree (not on that necessarily but that chox post is Bad)
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 13:20
TEEE EMMM IIII
You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.
This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.
But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 13:29
This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.
But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.
Again, that's nonsense. Jabbz makes a totally banal statement from the perspective of town Sooh going to lynch, and suddenly Renata's on him as though this was some hidden meaning inconsistent with his other posts.
Thumbs down.
I'm referencing this.
You talk about not voting for them because of competing for n1 kill. You have a weak argument against me, and only one other person is currently voting for me out of 21. Hell, I'm not even 2nd behind Sooh, that would be Visor, then tied for third would be you, me, elbarto and monty. The idea that I'm competition for Sooh with their 5 votes seems unlikely. This is your only articulated reason for not voting for them, and it comes off as an attempt to avoid committing to whether someone is fishy or not, something scum buddies often like to do.
First thing I've seen from Jabbz all game that resembles genuine townie thought for me, but even here I wouldn't comment on what Zack said in quite those terms.
I don't know, I hate to go against an actual town read even for a single post, but you make my skin itch, dude. We'll see.
Schema - lean mild town on gut
Cuthillius - lean scum, though admittedly I've seen this kind of bizarre posting from Cuth before, particularly a hardon for lynching me, but its mostly like Wolf!Cuth due to the way he has gone about it, no interaction with me
Renata - town, last posts solidified that read for me.
Choxorn - wolfy, recent post is a bit of pinger.
Dp101 - null, really, will give him a town lean for now.
Jabbz - null, some bad posts, some okay ones, will probably give another day.
dicetosser1 - lean town on gut/tone for now.
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes - lean town on freedom of posting/tone.
BSmith - inactive
Visor - town
Csargo - inactive
Riedquat - needs to post more
El Barto - utter meh, probably lean wolfy just due to the fact
Monstrbro - surprisingly hard to read for me right now, going to call him null, maybe mild town lean.
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency - utterly bizarre posting. Steadfast refusal to engage me in a dialogue about my posts which he continues to call scummy with no reasoning. Could be either, but the spiteful person inside me says wolf.
Al Sipsclar - inactive
Sooh - claimed town PR, hasn't posted a villagery thing. Should sort itself out.
Cass_ - too much mechanics talk, clearly engaged in the game which is good, but would like to see more of a focus on solving.
GeneralHankerchief - Posts are... a little stilted. Expected a little more from town GH, though I imagine he is probably busy. Hopefully see more tomorrow
Zack - Posting okay for now.
atheotes - feel town for tonal reasons, hits a few notes I associate with atheotes town game.
So
Visor
Renata
Winston
Zack
Atheotes
Dicktosser
Schema
Dp101
Sooh - claimed PR so meh
Monstrbro
Al Sipsclar
Csargo
BSmith
Riedquat
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Cass
Choxorn
El Barto
Cuthillius
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 13:34
Montmorency - utterly bizarre posting. Steadfast refusal to engage me in a dialogue about my posts which he continues to call scummy with no reasoning. Could be either, but the spiteful person inside me says wolf.
To put it in a way you can recognize, you made scumtells and from then on you have never posted anything townie. Now talk about why you don't want to "burn out" as rep tomorrow.
Thoughts?
I could potentially slide Cass up a spot I guess, I just need to see some more game related things.
Think Riedquat possibly town on a hunch.
Er, that was supposed to be Dicetosser not Dicktosser SORRY.
Need a few more flips to feel comfortable with the progression of my reads
This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.
But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.
So he's talking like scum because he's a townie? I mean, that's pretty much where we're at, isn't it?
To put it in a way you can recognize, you made scumtells and from then on you have never posted anything townie. Now talk about why you don't want to "burn out" as rep tomorrow.
Considering the vast majority of the game disagree with you, either you're Cassandra, or you're dead wrong.
My posts have been quite townie, actually.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 13:36
I imagine they become both district rep and chancellor and can break ties
aka supreme power
aka give it to me
yeah..makes sense.
even if you, Cuth and Cass are the reps, with Cass unlikely to vote for you, your claimed double vote should see Cuth lynched.
Why are you after more power?
Visor a bit OTT on Sooh from a page or two back. Is anything she's done villagery? Nope, not a thing. Could she be a villager despite that? Maybe. I've seen worse.
yeah..makes sense.
even if you, Cuth and Cass are the reps, with Cass unlikely to vote for you, your claimed double vote should see Cuth lynched.
Why are you after more power?
Because
a) I want to die
b) I am the only person I fully trust to make the right decisions?
Visor a bit OTT on Sooh from a page or two back. Is anything she's done villagery? Nope, not a thing. Could she be a villager despite that? Maybe. I've seen worse.
We've all seen worse, I just thought she was a good candidate for lynching because of the way she had approached the game. The snark in her replies compared to the zero work she put in was not a good look.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 13:39
Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.
Renata trending up!
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 13:45
Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.
Why is that? Are you drawing some inference between
Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started
and
I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread
If so, that seems perfectly "natural" to me.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 13:47
In this game, killing inactives and lurkers may be the best strategy for Mafia to take when they don't have a pressing target.
I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.
He's null to me as someone who's never played with him before. No townie points at first glance, nothing that grabs my attention as coming from scum. You and Zack are saying he's acted a certain way towards you before when scum. What does he do as town?
Renatas recent posts read very well to me.
Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.
If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.
Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.
If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.
The latter. I don't care for the point you make in them so much, just that you come across as townie to me in the posts.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 14:03
Because
a) I want to die
b) I am the only person I fully trust to make the right decisions?
Dont worry you will die soon enough if you are telling the truth abt your vote. It is very likely that we have a 3 way tie for the lynch today. you prove your power and you get NKed. No chance of using your chancellor powers. :tongue2:
regarding Cuth, I iso'd and dont see anything to call him town. Dont know if he would get fixated like this as wolf. have to say Null.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 14:03
The rest of Cuth:
you get -points right away for having three scum and fishing for lynches while doing one hardish town read and one soft one
Responding to Schema's reads.
Not seen this before, and generally I hate pre-packed scumreading devices.
But it's an explanation, at least.
*skipping some spam posts around here*
meh
ime town tend to have more scum than town reads off the bat
particularly though it does feel like very much fishing for a lynch on any of three, 0-1 of which would be scum if teamed
Explaining his method. Don't like it, don't see it helping, but not scummy in itself.
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
I disagree with every lean here. Which, I suppose, illustrates my problem with reading Cuth.
anyway
i think there are probably
if visor is scum
one-two scum always in with him in that district
i definitely don't trust him with the power of that and highly recommend choosing someone else and yeah
zack did you start liking him more
Assumes Visor is scum, extrapolates from that to find other unnamed group members scummy, and says we should choose someone else, but gives no kind of explanation as to the why, who, what or how. This is never changing anybody's mind, so what is the point of it?
This is so bad I'd be tempted to push his lynch over it, except for one thing: I lynched Cuth for saying horrible stuff last time we met, and while I was right about it being horrible, I was wrong to think he was scum.
bc i was town in the hydra game
and he's playing more like that as far as attitude than he did in mountainous
and i'm not just talking about lolcatting vs shitposting
Responding to Zack on the Visor question. Hasn't really talked about much else.
cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum
i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game
and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack
who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need
what time is eod again
Responding to Jabbz. Justifies support for Zack on meta grounds. Finding new ways to talk about same stuff.
hydra 8 she talked plenty
tone was a little different but she did keep up as far as word count
had giant talky walls
Meta info on Cass is welcome. Still only talking about the same tiny handful of people, though.
Renata trending up!
Aww, you're trending up for me too. Symbolic-vote choxorn with me if your vote is not otherwise usefully occupied. I'm trending lolRenata on Jabbz and want to roll with that for a while.
vote: choxorn
I disagree with every lean here. Which, I suppose, illustrates my problem with reading Cuth.
This is so bad I'd be tempted to push his lynch over it, except for one thing: I lynched Cuth for saying horrible stuff last time we met, and while I was right about it being horrible, I was wrong to think he was scum.
Whilst I agree (and certainly Cuth's posting being 'bad' has been a reason I have correctly townread him before) this is... a little too far gone for my liking.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 14:07
Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.
Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.
Why is that? Are you drawing some inference between
and
If so, that seems perfectly "natural" to me.
Yes. If you've just spent the last couple hours catching up, since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 14:10
since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".
Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 14:10
So he's talking like scum because he's a townie? I mean, that's pretty much where we're at, isn't it?
Could be he's fooling me and others, while you and Zack have him bang to rights. But he vibes townie to me so far, and I feel like you're reaching.
Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.
Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.
In light of your iso it's hard to be overly concerned with Visor tunneling Cuth on meta, even if that is what he is doing.
Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.
Fine. Compare this first post to choxorn's output in Visor's game and tell me what you think.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 14:26
Fine. Compare this first post to choxorn's output in Visor's game and tell me what you think.
I don't get you. Half his posts were fluff, most of the rest declaiming Riedquat, and a bit of content venturing one or two other players. This was over a dozen posts or fewer, in two day phases.
If you are trying to say that he's making too much of an effort in this game at appearing engaged - which you don't seem to be - then even so the posts thus far have been nothing.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 14:41
Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.
Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.
I don't get you. Half his posts were fluff, most of the rest declaiming Riedquat, and a bit of content venturing one or two other players. This was over a dozen posts or fewer, in two day phases.
If you are trying to say that he's making too much of an effort in this game at appearing engaged - which you don't seem to be - then even so the posts thus far have been nothing.
That was in fact my contention. Post a few reads and leave choxorn is dubious to me.
Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.
Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.
Good to know I guess, because he's really different from his scum game last time out.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 14:59
Reading Cass.
Mechanics talk is substantive and reasonable. Townie enough, but easy.
Interactions generally feel quite relaxed.
Asks a lot of questions, which is an easy way to fake towning, but I'm following the thought processes.
Defence of mechanics talk in 178 is townie. 'Why stop it?' is a fair question.
Giving opinions and seeking info on multiple fronts, all from believable process.
Opinion on Visor's election in 328 is one of those explains-my-own-feelings-better-than-I-can moments.
Weighing of Jabbz in same and subsequent posts also feels townie.
Seems keen to talk with and about everyone, and seek understanding with it.
Repeatedly shows thoughts similar to my own.
Stalling response to Monstr's request for reads on Schema is about the worst thing I've found from Cass, and it's hardly a thing at all.
Overall, looks like town all the way. Impressive work if scum.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 15:01
but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.
Go on plz.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 15:09
Go on plz.
I tend to nudge townie on people who say stuff I don't follow, on the grounds that scum would usually prefer to avoid being misunderstood, and thus will aim for clarity.
But I repeatedly found myself struggling to understand you in Futaramafia, and there you were scum.
Throwaway point, I know, but I'm just saying what I see.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 15:18
Unvote
Vote: Cass
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 15:19
CSARGO! HE COULD BE scum.
But I repeatedly found myself struggling to understand you in Futaramafia, and there you were scum.
Interestingly, Renata seems to have found clarity and precision a hallmark of my scum game - but you two have seen me scum only once, and in separate games.
divide and conquer
Somebody somewhere drew attention to a possible inconsistency in monstr's reads, and I can't find that post again and it's driving me nuts. I could iso Monstr and try that way, but 100+ posts.
Not clarity and precision as such, Monty, but yeah. Nothing like this current impenetrable behavior.
Iso here ends at 100 posts: Oh joy.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 15:37
Iso here ends at 100 posts: Oh joy.
Bummer.
Still better than CFC, though, which had lost the function altogether last time I looked.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 15:51
Have to say, for all my historical paranoia, Renata's flow and activity does look townie here.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 16:02
And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...
Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.
Of all the things you could have talked about, why did you choose this?
Ugh. I was offline this weekend. Doing my best to get caught up... but 30 pages already ?!
Please tell me they are all worth reading.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 16:07
Please tell me they are all worth reading.
You will never see a finer display of democratic debate. Enjoy. :bow:
Just in case..
Vote: Winston
Vote: Visor
Vote: Al Sips
I have read absolutely nothing of the game so far, so take the above with a massive grain of salt…
You will never see a finer display of democratic debate. Enjoy. :bow:
Not sure my expectations have risen with this statement... :laugh4:
Hey BSmith. The thread is 100% spam, ignore it and just stay a while.
Maybe not really.
You missed my district vote for Cuth.
And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...
Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.
I tried repeatedly to get these idea's through Zack's head. Using direct quotes. It didn't work. If this doesn't work, that's fine, but I made the effort. Moving on.
OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.
The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.
If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.
Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.
tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.
Not to get too paranoid and OMG scum slip on someone I was already voting or whatever, but what on earth is this post replying to? I've just read all the posts leading up to it, and there seems to be nothing it could possibly be. Jabbz
Sorry, post #661. Not sure why I thought that my response was contiguous, but it's more likely related to the fact that it was almost midnight, and I usually am not up that late.
ok i did some research and in fact elected reps are the only votes who count today which seems kinda wonky since they haven't been elected yet but whatever and also the phase is over in like 14 hours i think
So are you saying your earlier scumread on Zack is now a townread? With zero progression? Even if "I misread you" refers to something specific instead a general read on Zack, "I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful" doesn't seem like the sort of thing you say to your top scum suspect. Or about comments about yourself, for that matter.
Please explain.
No, this is in reference to conflating him with Dp101 early in the game. This is well documented in multiple other posts.
Oook, skimmed and sorting out my thoughts. Need to dig into more ISOs to have any confidence in most of this, but approximately where I'm at
Renata
atheotes
Monstrbro
Zack
Visor
dicetosser1
Dp101
Cuthillius
Jabbz /Winston Hughes
GeneralHankerchief/Montmorency/El Barto /
Sooh* / Schema
Inactive/low posters
Have no idea what to do with these given the superlowpost theme for some players at this site. I find most of it inherently scummy but it could be their normal styles/don't know how much bias I'm reading in for super low posts/late starts. Would really appreciate those who know them looking into it/meta help on these wrt volume/amount of content posts D1 in each alignment
Choxorn - 3 posts -
#25 fanfare/Zack for Chancellor
#783 Forgot game started, Reads: Zack still looks good, Town Renata, Cuth, GH. Cuth rep for District One. El Barto / Monty impossible to read. Was going to vote Sooh before she claimed PR. Nil scum reads.
#793 corrects atheotes for district vote.
Al Sipsclar - No posts.
BSmith - 3 posts.
#881 - was offline/catching up
#883Votes just in case/no reading
#884 fluff
Csargo - 3 posts,
Monty Chancellor, Winston Rep, Sooh scum;
comment on brain melting;
Me for Chancellor.
Riedquat - 1 post, voted Visor all colours with a clown. No game related comments.
This about Sooh from someone who just trotted out a patronizing post about how she should always share her thoughts if she thinks she's about to be mislynched, because then at least we can trust they come from a town perspective. No progression. It's just words.
I'm done commenting post by post now because this is getting ridiculous. Either Jabbz is the scummiest scum who ever scummed or we're on totally different wavelengths and always will be. I'll make a proper summary in a couple hours and what will be will be.
I'm not sure why you took my post to be patronizing. There are two possible situations that exist here, and I addressed both. In one, Sooh is town, feeling stressed and cornered, and no longer wants to contribute. In that instance I want their reads because they will be useful should they be lynched and flip town. I was attempting to be encouraging, if that came out patronizing, it certainly wasn't my intent.
The second situation, which I believe to be more likely, is that Sooh is scum and trying to use that as an out, hence me addressing it in another post. The lovely thing about this is that when/if Sooh is lynched, we find out which is applicable, and no harm is done by entertaining both possibilities. You'll note in the post encouraging Sooh to post that I don't one provide an out or question whether they should swing, just what they should do first.
Cass vote cuth with me if you get elected thx
Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.
If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.
I also agree with the latter. I feel those posts are coming after me with a preconceived notion of where I'm coming from, IE the perception I'm being condescending, but I didn't feel they were scummy.
Vote: Cuthillius
Just in case
Sorry -- D1 was going to be bad for me because RL important stuff, my presence should improve after today. Trying to get caught up. Should be here in about an hour until EOD.
Sorry, post #661. Not sure why I thought that my response was contiguous, but it's more likely related to the fact that it was almost midnight, and I usually am not up that late.
Thanks. Glad I can set that aside.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:24
TEEE EMMM IIII
You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.
LOL @ Monstrbro for calling this villagey.
THERE WERE OTHER POSTS TOO
you little weasel
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:24
You turkey sandwich you
No, this is in reference to conflating him with Dp101 early in the game. This is well documented in multiple other posts.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm being a dope. Ignore me.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:26
Somebody somewhere drew attention to a possible inconsistency in monstr's reads, and I can't find that post again and it's driving me nuts. I could iso Monstr and try that way, but 100+ posts.
I must find them and slay them with a toy hammer
You turkey sandwich you
I've never had such a creative insult flung my way. Tell me what you think of choxorn. He's only got a few posts, should be easy to iso.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:27
Have to say, for all my historical paranoia, Renata's flow and activity does look townie here.
Renata is Probably Town (tm)
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:28
I've never had such a creative insult flung my way. Tell me what you think of choxorn. He's only got a few posts, should be easy to iso.
Gibe like twenty minutes to eat and shower I just woke up
OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.
The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.
If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.
Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.
tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.
FTR
I'm not up with Monstr's ISO here but ITT the back and forth on Sooh and #467 stood out to me as possible future space for backtracking, not sure if that's what you mean by consistency?
As far as I know, TownMonstr is always stronger on his Town reads, and tends to interact more with them especially early on.
But here is a link to ISO scum game (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=677306)
And here is link to ISO for the game I just subbed in for him as Town (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=dde30396f552f36ab517a0b2b8bfbc29&search_author=manbat&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&cType=topic&cId=99725&search_content=both&search_app_filters[forums][noPreview]=1&search_app_filters[forums][pCount]=&search_app_filters[forums][pViews]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=0&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_term=&search_app=forums&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1).
He's a very good player as either alignment, but in my experience with him more motivated as Town/doesn't like playing Scum.
A couple of the questions he asked here I think showed inquisitive thought process that I could follow/don't hate.
I've noticed a tonal similarity in the scum game to here that could be something or just general personality. Waiting for more.
Gibe like twenty minutes to eat and shower I just woke up
Speak of the Monstr.
Do you have a Town core?
I'll give you ....
https://media1.giphy.com/media/r4NFWBPT6ksyQ/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/5xaOcLHAmsHsbvUtVYs/giphy.gif
?
Going to work, ok. Not giving reads because behind 3 pages is meh.
In Hackers you commented as you went afaict so this is a direct contradiction.
Why on Earth would you let us lynch you/not contribute the thoughts you have as a Town PR?
Cass, combined so far this game I think I've had one hour to spare to play. Do you think I have been able to form reads from that?
Cass vote cuth with me if you get elected thx
Why do you need my vote if you can double?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:32
Speak of the Monstr.
Do you have a Town core?
Same as yesterday
Dp
Renata
Dice
Cass
Visor
Winston
Zack
Sooh(probably because pr claim)
Maybe Schema too but it might just be me wanting her to be a villager for laughing at my joke
I will now proceed to collect my million dollars for every time someone has said "monstr is villagery but he can't pick at scum suspect and stick with it" despite that there are like 15 other waffles in this game
Dp101 and dicetosser1
I'm not sure which of you is going to wind up as rep. As your loyal constituent (whichever of you it is), please consider lynching choxorn with extreme prejudice. However, as it looks like Visor is going to have half the vote and will be lynching Cuthilius, you may also wish to consider merely giving in and letting him have his way for the sake of legislative comity and also later ammo to use against Visor if he's wrong and it ever seems warranted. Thank you, and please pass a measure to fix the potholes on my street. They're getting ridiculous.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:34
I would change from a visor rep but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with anyone else in my district yet except winston
I will now proceed to collect my million dollars for every time someone has said "monstr is villagery but he can't pick at scum suspect and stick with it" despite that there are like 15 other waffles in this game
Noted. A waffle (or otherwise) of a read on Cuthilius would also be nice. He was like the one person in your iso I noticed mentioned but never given a read.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:35
Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro
We got the district of inactivity
Cass, combined so far this game I think I've had one hour to spare to play. Do you think I have been able to form reads from that?
Do you have time now?
If so, go do you. Generic claim excluded, I need game stuff on you to actually make a call here.
You still get to keep the kittehs, regardless <3
I would change from a visor rep but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with anyone else in my district yet except winston
Why would you change?
I'm villagery af
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:35
Noted. A waffle (or otherwise) of a read on Cuthilius would also be nice. He was like the one person in your iso I noticed mentioned but never given a read.
I didn't have one
I said somewhere back I haven't read the full thread and thats still true, I've been isoing to get many of my reads
Why do you need my vote if you can double?
If you and dice/dp voted the same person it would presumably be a tie.
I didn't have one
I said somewhere back I haven't read the full thread and thats still true, I've been isoing to get many of my reads
Winston did an iso on Cuth if you want to give your thoughts on that.
This about Sooh from someone who just trotted out a patronizing post about how she should always share her thoughts if she thinks she's about to be mislynched, because then at least we can trust they come from a town perspective. No progression. It's just words.
I'm done commenting post by post now because this is getting ridiculous. Either Jabbz is the scummiest scum who ever scummed or we're on totally different wavelengths and always will be. I'll make a proper summary in a couple hours and what will be will be.
I thought the same when I saw it. I'm attempting to catch up.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:37
Why would you change?
I'm villagery af
Idk, boredom mostly
Partly that I want to be rep now
And partly that THE FEAR is real
But considering I know how you play wolf from super smash mash (slay villagers with extreme prejudice) I'm not worried because I'm sure you'll be obvious by d2 or d3
Vote whoever cass
Just hope the Chancellor can pick well
No chance I'm ever around for eod
We've all seen worse, I just thought she was a good candidate for lynching because of the way she had approached the game. The snark in her replies compared to the zero work she put in was not a good look.
Sorry for attempting to have some fun to start off the game. Won't happen again.
Idk, boredom mostly
Partly that I want to be rep now
And partly that THE FEAR is real
But considering I know how you play wolf from super smash mash (slay villagers with extreme prejudice) I'm not worried because I'm sure you'll be obvious by d2 or d3
Fair enough
Glgl
Sorry for attempting to have some fun to start off the game. Won't happen again.
Take your pity party and go home
You can.have fun and you can play too
If you spent as much time playing the game instead of providing Snarky replies you wouldnt be up for lynching
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:40
Okok I will shower eat then iso and read choxorn and cuth
See you cats in a freckle past a hair
FTR
I'm not up with Monstr's ISO here but ITT the back and forth on Sooh and #467 stood out to me as possible future space for backtracking, not sure if that's what you mean by consistency?
Not really, I mean more like self-consciousness like 'oh wow I have the same reads as the guy I'm saying is my top scum, could that look suspicious'?
Sorry for attempting to have some fun to start off the game. Won't happen again.
Please don't be like that. :(
Do you have time now?
If so, go do you. Generic claim excluded, I need game stuff on you to actually make a call here.
You still get to keep the kittehs, regardless <3
I'm trying, except this is like the least fun ever.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:42
Not really, I mean more like self-consciousness like 'oh wow I have the same reads as the guy I'm saying is my top scum, could that look suspicious'?
No that post was "oh I have the same reads as the guy I'm suspecting. Could that mean I'm wrong?"
I'm drawing way too much attention to myself to care about looking suspicious
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:42
I'm trying, except this is like the least fun ever.
But I'm monstrman </3
Vote: Cuthillius
Just in case
Visor, do you have an updated list of reads?
Where are the holes in mine?
Your input on meta wrt low posters also appreciated.
One thing sticking with me about skim through with you is the being 'infuriated' at Cuth ... I don't get it.
Where are you at on Monty? I can't read him and trying to figure out whether his insistent push on you without explanation is Town/Scum is driving me nuts.
What makes Cuth a better vote than him or the players you voted/pushed earlier?
I thought the same when I saw it. I'm attempting to catch up.
Good luck. Embarrassingly I've decided for the moment that I'm being stupid about Jabbz and have moved him up into a low-town tier for the day.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:45
Good luck. Embarrassingly I've decided for the moment that I'm being stupid about Jabbz and have moved him up into a low-town tier for the day.
Oh sure but you can just lolmonstrman about village reading him no problem :,(
Also I lied about showering and eating I don't want to get out of bed yet so I'll do ISOs instead
Does anyone have current tallies for all vote areas?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:48
My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!
Vote: Zack
Serious post indicating some level of reading the OP
Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started
lolchox
I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with. Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:
I also hate generic PR claims and don't see what the point is of soft-claiming and trying to string everyone along unless you have some kind of uber-secret mafia-killing thing of doom going on, and it would be an easy claim to lie about because you're not being specific, and I don't like how she's reacted to pressure, but I also don't think she's scum for it.
No real opinion yet on most people.
Last, but not least:
https://media.tenor.co/images/e7a5ef64aa378330bd9f5eb66008c617/raw
"OMG when did the game start?"
???
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:52
Actually I think that's a reading comprehension fail on my part. Anyway, the biggest thing here I can note is that the district vote on cuth seems like it's w/w if choxorn is a wolf but meaningless if villager
Three posts don't seem particularly alignment indicative but if anything I think the way he's approaching certain people like echoing Zack's sentiment just flow really well so if anything I guess lightly villagery but only barely
Listen. There are 934 posts so far this game. If I'm going to go back and read them thoroughly it'll take me more than the 2 1/2 hours that are left until EOD. I can catch up overnight if I'm still alive, but that's a big IF. I'll try for the time that's left to get as far as I can, so that I can at least have some informed votes at EOD.
FTR
First time I posted this game was right after it begun. I was snarky and having fun, or at least I thought so. Next time I came in the majority was mechanics talk, and I gave my opinions on that, as well as commented on whatever I saw that I felt like commenting on. Sometimes just a fun quip, sometimes a thought.
Since then I've been pretty much up to my neck in Christmas preparations, sleep and work. I have been given ZERO leeway this game, compared to others who have barely posted.
tl:dr
Lynch me if you want.
I have claimed that I have a PR, but I have not claimed what yet. I was actually worried about revealing too much when I spoke to Atheotes when he was PR fishing earlier.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 17:56
My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!
Vote: Zack
Listen. There are 934 posts so far this game. If I'm going to go back and read them thoroughly it'll take me more than the 2 1/2 hours that are left until EOD. I can catch up overnight if I'm still alive, but that's a big IF. I'll try for the time that's left to get as far as I can, so that I can at least have some informed votes at EOD.
FTR
First time I posted this game was right after it begun. I was snarky and having fun, or at least I thought so. Next time I came in the majority was mechanics talk, and I gave my opinions on that, as well as commented on whatever I saw that I felt like commenting on. Sometimes just a fun quip, sometimes a thought.
Since then I've been pretty much up to my neck in Christmas preparations, sleep and work. I have been given ZERO leeway this game, compared to others who have barely posted.
tl:dr
Lynch me if you want.
I have claimed that I have a PR, but I have not claimed what yet. I was actually worried about revealing too much when I spoke to Atheotes when he was PR fishing earlier.
What posts of atheotes felt like pr fishing to you?
Im sorry you're not having fun but I want you to
Gdi I know exactly how you feel and I hate it so much
Actually I think that's a reading comprehension fail on my part. Anyway, the biggest thing here I can note is that the district vote on cuth seems like it's w/w if choxorn is a wolf but meaningless if villager
Three posts don't seem particularly alignment indicative but if anything I think the way he's approaching certain people like echoing Zack's sentiment just flow really well so if anything I guess lightly villagery but only barely
Mmm, I disagree. The third post which you didn't include is of him lecturing Jabbz on not doing word walls for the space of about 100 words -- that's just a really pointless thing to focus on IMO but I guess in certain lights it could have the appearance of being useful.
What posts of atheotes felt like pr fishing to you?
Im sorry you're not having fun but I want you to
Gdi I know exactly how you feel and I hate it so much
He was talking about how I believe Monty mentioned PR and said something to the effect of "But there aren't any PRs this game, are there?" and then he explained how he thought Monty talking about PRs was evidence that Monty had TMI.
Early, like pg 3-5 somewhere.
:inquisitive: No PRs in the game right?
Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.
Fishing attempt noted though :P
yes..the eulogy(?) was not game related.(it was good, GH :2thumbsup:) i was judging his votes only based on his posts.
:stare: fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!
Here's the exchange.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:00
Mmm, I disagree. The third post which you didn't include is of him lecturing Jabbz on not doing word walls for the space of about 100 words -- that's just a really pointless thing to focus on IMO but I guess in certain lights it could have the appearance of being useful.
Pointless sure but a pointless post does not a wolf make
Speaking probability most people are a villager most of the time
I'm a bit concerned that Winston is voting El Barto over players he's pushed/commented on more.
Monty/Sooh/Cuth
Is this a thing?
Will pull quotes but as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong Winston Hughes) his stance on El Barto is 'he's scummy and self-preservationy' and his pushes against Monty/Sooh/Cuth have more depth.
I'm not saying Barto isn't scummy, but I've found him scummy and self-preservationy when he's been Town.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:02
He was talking about how I believe Monty mentioned PR and said something to the effect of "But there aren't any PRs this game, are there?" and then he explained how he thought Monty talking about PRs was evidence that Monty had TMI.
Early, like pg 3-5 somewhere.
Noted and on the list for after my cuth iso.
I just wanted to see what was happening in real time for a minute
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:04
Aww, you're trending up for me too. Symbolic-vote choxorn with me if your vote is not otherwise usefully occupied. I'm trending lolRenata on Jabbz and want to roll with that for a while.
vote: choxorn
ok then...vote: choxorn
Good to know I guess, because he's really different from his scum game last time out.
Dont take the last game as the barometer...he was very different in that. As i said during that game, it was the first time i could comprehend what he was saying.
Now he is back to his old self. he is also refusing to give reads.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:07
Here's the exchange.
It's things like these that make me never want to post stuff about my PR reads that I have even though the reason I hesitated on voting you was because I thought you were a PR
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:08
That's why I have DP so strongly as a villager because literally everything he said about "I need to trust myself more"
<-----
It's things like these that make me never want to post stuff about my PR reads that I have even though the reason I hesitated on voting you was because I thought you were a PR
Huh?
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 18:11
I'm a bit concerned that Winston is voting El Barto over players he's pushed/commented on more.
Monty/Sooh/Cuth
Is this a thing?
Will pull quotes but as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong Winston Hughes) his stance on El Barto is 'he's scummy and self-preservationy' and his pushes against Monty/Sooh/Cuth have more depth.
I'm not saying Barto isn't scummy, but I've found him scummy and self-preservationy when he's been Town.
My vote won't be counting here, and El Barto has done nothing to deserve its removal.
I mean, I could wave it around at people for emphasis, but I couldn't be much clearer about who I suspect.
Help me? Pick out some posts for me that you think I should see and I'll give you my comments on them. Might be faster than me trudging through by myself.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:11
Huh?
Villagers can have PR reads too but the default reaction to a question about a PR is "that's rolefishing"
I had you as a pr read. That's why I kept defending-but-not-defending you when visor kept saying you were a wolf
But when he finally put your ISO out I just stopped listening to myself
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:12
Help me? Pick out some posts for me that you think I should see and I'll give you my comments on them. Might be faster than me trudging through by myself.
Okok I will
Okok will do
Name a player and I'll help you team iso them
I am REALLY tempted to lynch you anyway.
unvote vote montmerency
Why did you unvote GH just because he townread you?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:13
That was odd
Free shrugs thought
Isoing cuth
Okok I will
Okok will do
Name a player and I'll help you team iso them
I'm open to suggestions, but Atheotes is someone I've been wanting to ISO.
People are saying he's towny, want to see if I can see it.
Pointless sure but a pointless post does not a wolf make
Speaking probability most people are a villager most of the time
Coming from someone who has zero wolves right now I'll take that with as many grains of salt as required.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:16
If you and dice/dp voted the same person it would presumably be a tie.
Actually, Cuth is in the lead. and he will be voting for Visor.
I'm a bit concerned that Winston is voting El Barto over players he's pushed/commented on more.
Monty/Sooh/Cuth
Is this a thing?
Will pull quotes but as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong Winston Hughes) his stance on El Barto is 'he's scummy and self-preservationy' and his pushes against Monty/Sooh/Cuth have more depth.
I'm not saying Barto isn't scummy, but I've found him scummy and self-preservationy when he's been Town.
No, you're right. I'm still reading Winston as towny, but his vote doesn't have much to it at this point. That said, he could be right.
Actually, Cuth is in the lead. and he will be voting for Visor.
Really, since when? Who the heck vote for him besides himself?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:17
cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum
i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game
and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack
who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need
what time is eod again
meh i disagree with the case on sooh
i think it's bad
i think she's always utr
and i think visor is making a subpar push on him
his play is very similar to the hydra game i think
didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name
and saw glimpses
monstr is trending up a little
i still trust zack over cass
Posts like these that reassess the top townreads in the game always make me think that the play is too bold to come from a wolf and always make me think someone is a villager because it just draws so much attention to the slot
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:18
Vote whoever cass
Just hope the Chancellor can pick well
No chance I'm ever around for eod
so, no more double vote?
WRT El Barto
Votes Barto with generalised reasons/anti-town behaviour, later comments that it's unusual for him to do Towny intent unless there's threat of death.
Vote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Visorslash
Vote: El Barto
I should be chancellor because for once I've actually got enough time to play properly. This also means I'm going to get killed early by the scum, which means you'll get another pick soon enough.
Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.
El Barto should swing because he's trying to stretch a self-serving metagame justification for non-revealing behaviour to cover actively anti-town behaviour.
He can do townie intent.
Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.
WRT Monty, Sooh, Zack, Cuth.
Pushes strongly, with more specific reasons afaict.
Do you ever act this hammy as town?
That's a genuine question, btw.
I don't recall having seen it before.
Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.
Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.
W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.
W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.
Standard brush-off, not convincing.
Where's the solving, Monty?
You're top of the post pile, but it's all chatter and ham.
Give us some reads.
Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.
Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.
WRT Sooh
Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.
Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.
WRT Zack
On Zack vs. Jabbz:
Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.
Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.
I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.
WRT Cuth
After full ISO, when Visor votes him - which he does for no-one else in re-read
Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.
Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.
Winston Hughes / anyone
How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?
Why El Barto over other scummy reads?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:18
cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum
i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game
and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack
who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need
what time is eod again
Coming from someone who has zero wolves right now I'll take that with as many grains of salt as required.
You can play the game your way and I'll play mine
I don't go into your bakery and scream about how all your bread is a day old
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:20
On Zack vs. Jabbz:
Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.
Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.
I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.
As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.
It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.
That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.
I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.
These two posts still don't sit well with me
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:23
<tbody>
Tally # 5 (till post 930)
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cass
Cuthillius
Cuth
Zack
Visor
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Choxorn
Choxorn
Cuth
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Sooh
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Dice
Cass
Monty
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Visor
Cass
El barto
BSmith
Winston
Visor
Al sips
Visor
Visor
Visor
Cuth
Csargo
Winston
Cass
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Winston
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Sooh
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Cass
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
Jabbz
atheotes
Cass
Winston
Choxorn
</tbody>
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:24
unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:27
Listen. There are 934 posts so far this game. If I'm going to go back and read them thoroughly it'll take me more than the 2 1/2 hours that are left until EOD. I can catch up overnight if I'm still alive, but that's a big IF. I'll try for the time that's left to get as far as I can, so that I can at least have some informed votes at EOD.
FTR
First time I posted this game was right after it begun. I was snarky and having fun, or at least I thought so. Next time I came in the majority was mechanics talk, and I gave my opinions on that, as well as commented on whatever I saw that I felt like commenting on. Sometimes just a fun quip, sometimes a thought.
Since then I've been pretty much up to my neck in Christmas preparations, sleep and work. I have been given ZERO leeway this game, compared to others who have barely posted.
tl:dr
Lynch me if you want.
I have claimed that I have a PR, but I have not claimed what yet. I was actually worried about revealing too much when I spoke to Atheotes when he was PR fishing earlier.
you are not up for lynch today. Ppl have backed off since you claimed. But what are the odds that you will be alive tomorrow? thats why i would like to see some reads from you.
These two posts still don't sit well with me
Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?
Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:
OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.
Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.
Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.
Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto
Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
Vote: El Barto
He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.
Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?
unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes
Can you give all your reasons why pls?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:33
On Zack vs. Jabbz:
Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.
Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.
I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.
Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?
Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game
I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.
At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons
At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now
The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:34
Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:
He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.
Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?
You had made a few posts but there was no content.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 18:35
How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?
Lynch him and see what the host says is standard procedure.
But I do feel his contribution here has lacked town intent even by his usual standards, and this after he's shown glimpses of actual town play in a game or two more recently.
Why El Barto over other scummy reads?
As per my previous post, I've not placed him over other scummy reads, I've just not changed my vote.
Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? Schema, where's your vote? dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?
You had made a few posts but there was no content.You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:38
cuth how do you sleep at night?
why on earth do you think I am scum, what in GODS NAME is wrong with my push on Sooh.
GO READ WHAT I QUOTED AND REFUTE ANY SINGLE PART OF IT.
I want you to TELL ME that the 25 posts of absolute NOTHING in relation to the game at hand is villagery. PLEASE. Tell me it is how a villager plays the game. From someone who is up to date and continually catches up and provides absolutely ZERO relevant thoughts on the game state at numerous times.
And you think I am a wolf pushing that for ????????????????????????????? reasons?
TELL ME HOW SHE IS A VILLAGER FROM THE POSTS SHE HAS MADE.
I didn't want to go all caps, but you seem to be interested in showcasing some serious performance art, so please, show me.
i was taking issue with your stance of only/most noticable person without towny posts>scum
i think that position is contrived
particularly given that i personally am seeing sooh's normal behavior
and i'm not becoming less convinced that you're scum
but mostly not because of the push
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:38
Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? Schema, where's your vote? dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?
DON'T LISTEN TO RENATA IT'S A TRAP
Listen to me and do what Renata says
Entire Csargo ISO
Vote: Montmorency
Vote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Sooh
I feel your pain.
This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.
unvote, Vote: Cass_
Csargo
The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?
Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?
Why me for Chancellor?
Thoughts on anyone else?
everyone else
Does Csargo play like this as Town?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:40
Visor, cuth is a Probable Villager (TM)
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:42
Entire Csargo ISO
This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.
Csargo
The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?
Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?
Why me for Chancellor?
Thoughts on anyone else?
everyone else
Does Csargo play like this as Town?
I thought Csargo was Csarmi but he's probably not
Entire Csargo ISO
This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.
Csargo
The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?
Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?
Why me for Chancellor?
Thoughts on anyone else?
everyone else
Does Csargo play like this as Town?
Probably. It's been years, but I remember extreme low posting.
Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.
Which part was ballsy?
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:43
How have you been anything like mike in this game anyways
again
or maybe not again given i didn't go into this as much earlier
he is going after people less like a bitter pedantic normal visor
i genuinely don't think he believes what he's saying
his arguments and defenses of himself sounds like he thinks sooh is scummy but that he knows he's scum
and it does feel a tiniest bit cftwr to me
Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?
Right now this is shaping up as Visor (2 votes) vs Cuthilius (1 vote), with little to do for the third rep to do but agree or not agree on Cuthilius deserving death. I don't like this; neither of them should be reps IMO.
Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?
IMO townie tone later on.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:45
Vote: monstrman
I will vote as my people command
I am the vessel on which we will glide safely to victory
A bro you can trust
A vote for me is a vote for democracy
IMO townie tone later on.
Examples?
Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game
I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.
At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons
At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now
The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.
I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'
Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?
I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.
Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.
atheotes
12-19-2016, 18:48
Can you give all your reasons why pls?
Looks like Al sips is a no show and you can choose yourself as the rep. Who are you going to vote for?
Jabbz /Winston Hughes
GeneralHankerchief/Montmorency/El Barto /
Sooh* / Schema
Amoung your wolf tier, I dont want you to lynch Jabbz, Winston or Sooh. I am null on Schema.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:48
OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.
The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.
If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.
Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.
tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.
this is towny
Atheotes:
You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 18:49
I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'
Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?
I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.
Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.
Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either
I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers
Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:51
Actually, Cuth is in the lead. and he will be voting for Visor.
possibly, but that is not a guarantee
Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.
Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.
I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.
Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.
I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.
But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.
ISOing Cuth as well.
I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?
I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.
Like, HALF of your reason for voting me was for something dp101 said. When it was determined that I didn't say it, HE did, you completely dropped it. How come you didn't then think dp101 was suspicious? Because it's all just made up crap.
I don't think this was ever addressed or even acknowledged
Examples?
About 90% this for me:
Renata trending up!
It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.
You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:55
renata, i'd be willing to give the representative power to you
i voted for myself and am campaigning not because i trust myself to make the proper decisions, but because i didn't have any townreads in my district other than dp
and i don't want dp to have that vote; not because he's scummy but because he's relatively inexperienced and somewhat pocket-prone
and i don't think has the current mafia personality to use the role properly
if you want it, i'll vote for you for rep
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 18:56
in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town
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