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dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 10:35
Because the same would apply to a town player.
not necessarily. Revealing it D1 is a bit out there but not that much but scum?? ideally they wouldn't want it outted if possible. keeping it secret can cause mislynches as town scrambles to figure out who caused the weirdness.
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 10:39
There's a possibility here that Scum depend on Town pulling itself apart D1 and would take a deliberate step back from the heat of being a rep.
You taking a step back and making suggestions for someone else to take the wheel when you're a kind of "I'll do it MY way" player is kind of my point.
Who cares if people don't like your vote? If you like it and can defend it, why wouldn't you want it to count?
If you're Town just scumhunt. Do you. Justify your position and let us figure out if it's Scummy or not. Like normal.
ISO here is by going to the main gameroom, then clicking on the number of replies link next to this game, then the number of posts link next to the player you want to ISO.
I'm running with the theory that monstrbro has to be ours unless people confirm otherwise, I suggested to Pizza he might like this setup since he's hunting for new ways to Town, and how many players are gonna run with 'monstr' spelt that way?
cass how well does my defence of a gut read ever go on any site except DM where they know me?
I don't really care tbh they want me to rep I will rep and if they don't like my decision that's tough. Or I can sit back and scumhunt as im doing.
right now if I had my way id be lynching hankerchief that one IS a gut read plus a little logical poaranoia
and whoever this guy I just replied to is. (I ended up in a different screen somehow and cant see his name)
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 10:40
just gonna call him monty grin
i read his posts when i was half asleep
and they were okay, didn't really lean me one way or the other
maybe slightly good
in fact lets just make a yolo judgement call here
sooh is a wolf
zack is a villager
renata is a villager
monty is... probably a wolf (yolo)
cass is a villager
choxorn is a villager
dice is a villager
dp is (yolo) a villager
gh is a villager
jabbz could be a wolf but idk yet
and thats my reads rn
and if you ask why #feels
:yes:
Glad you're becoming proficient at reading me.
Soohbear, got brain's on what will work best for Town here?
My head hurts
I'm having trouble seeing how the mechanics will work best for either party at the moment. It's all up in the air for me right now.
Like, a viable scum strategy could be to keep their own members in just enough groups to where they could swing the vote their way, while stacking obvious villagers together in other groups making those groups larger, but with less votes or influence. That's my understanding of gerrymandering, and I assume that's what we're trying to avoid here. I think keeping the groups as even as possible is the most pro-town, regardless of the amount of groups.
And I'm caught up.
Guys, please don't expect me to be here at night, or early morning, or even day or evening. Just don't expect me, that's all.
I'll attempt to make my opinions known, however with this much mechanics talk it's hard to assess who's being genuine or not. It's not hard to do mechanics talk when scum.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 11:50
keeping it secret can cause mislynches as town scrambles to figure out who caused the weirdness.
And if he continues in his position of rep?
:yes:
Glad you're becoming proficient at reading me.
We've barely played together
We've barely played together
True. You have an excuse.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 12:32
Vote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Visorslash
Vote: El Barto
I should be chancellor because for once I've actually got enough time to play properly. This also means I'm going to get killed early by the scum, which means you'll get another pick soon enough.
Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.
El Barto should swing because he's trying to stretch a self-serving metagame justification for non-revealing behaviour to cover actively anti-town behaviour.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 12:54
Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.
Only in like the first post. All downhill from there. Be on panic alert.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:22
Jabbz's tone seems quite different from my (admittedly very limited) experience of his scum game.
Could be any number of reasons for that, not least that he's playing to a different audience.
But I like how he's playing it so far. Gets a town point.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:28
Only in like the first post. All downhill from there. Be on panic alert.
Do you ever act this hammy as town?
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:32
That's a genuine question, btw.
I don't recall having seen it before.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:36
Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.
Is that why you have him voted as representative?
Why not yourself?
My top criteria for rep is someone I think is a townie; failing that, as it's only day one, someone I think I can read. After the game I just played with dp in it, I hope I can read him and be comfortable he's a townie before too long. Certainly more of a chance there than anyone else in my group, none of whom I've played with.
I'm not sure why not me. I may miss end of days this week and into the holiday weekend, but that might not have stopped me if I really wanted the job. I just don't.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:43
Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.
W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.
W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.
[QUOTE=Jabbz;2053728925
As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.[/QUOTE]
What is with this defeatism about day one from you and dp? Its hogwash, IMO. Of course you can catch wolves on day one, and for real reasons, too. I don't think my reads are much better than chance right now on the whole, but in another game I called out three wolves on day one -- voted two and vigged another -- and was right all three times. It can happen.
Your first post reminded me of one of them.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 13:45
Why should I never be lynched, Renata?
cass how well does my defence of a gut read ever go on any site except DM where they know me?
I don't really care tbh they want me to rep I will rep and if they don't like my decision that's tough. Or I can sit back and scumhunt as im doing.
right now if I had my way id be lynching hankerchief that one IS a gut read plus a little logical poaranoia
and whoever this guy I just replied to is. (I ended up in a different screen somehow and cant see his name)
Leaning the bold here tentative Towny tone for Dice.
I also want more from GH and Montmorency and can see TownDiceMind latching at these two.
Have never known him to be self conscious about how things go over so my own 'logical paranoia' says the other part still currently stands out.
dice, what alignment were you on PerC and could you link me to your ISO from that game pls?
Other thoughts: Monty's thing with Visor requires popcorn and input from other players.
Visor claimed double voter.
What do we do with that?
I say elect him as voter for his district and see what pans out.
or lynch him.
But I don't currently want to do that. Want real reasons from everybody before that becomes a thing.
Sooh, Dice, where you at?
Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 13:57
Do you ever act this hammy as town?
Only when I'm town. Old-school.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 13:59
Monty, who snowed me
What?
What's standing out to me so far is a focus mostly on mechanics and banter, and a possibly opportunistic vote on Jabbz who seems pretty Towny in follow-up.
:stare:
What?
Pocketed, fooled, snowed, trashed, destroyed, take your pick of verbs.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:03
Pocketed, fooled, snowed, trashed, destroyed, take your pick of verbs.
Are those all meant to be synonyms? :inquisitive:
Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.
i don't bite... much
why would i scare you, i was but a babyfaced young mafiate when we last played
What's standing out to me so far is a focus mostly on mechanics and banter, and a possibly opportunistic vote on Jabbz who seems pretty Towny in follow-up.
Just to follow up on this, I've been thinking you're town and I guess I still am, but characterizing my vote as opportunistic gets under my skin and makes me itch in the worst way given it's possibly the best early-day-one scum tell I have. I don't find his follow-up posts to be towny either and I think you're the second person to have asserted that they are, for no reason as far as I can see. What did he say that makes you think a scum-Jabbz wouldn't do that?
My top criteria for rep is someone I think is a townie; failing that, as it's only day one, someone I think I can read. After the game I just played with dp in it, I hope I can read him and be comfortable he's a townie before too long. Certainly more of a chance there than anyone else in my group, none of whom I've played with.
I'm not sure why not me. I may miss end of days this week and into the holiday weekend, but that might not have stopped me if I really wanted the job. I just don't.
Kk, when you're caught up on his play could you elaborate on your lean/thoughts?
And I'm caught up.
Guys, please don't expect me to be here at night, or early morning, or even day or evening. Just don't expect me, that's all.
I'll attempt to make my opinions known, however with this much mechanics talk it's hard to assess who's being genuine or not. It's not hard to do mechanics talk when scum.
There's a bit more than mechanics talk now.
Jabbz's tone seems quite different from my (admittedly very limited) experience of his scum game.
Could be any number of reasons for that, not least that he's playing to a different audience.
But I like how he's playing it so far. Gets a town point.
Third person who likes Jabbz and I'm still wondering why.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 14:13
Only when I'm town. Old-school.
Standard brush-off, not convincing.
Where's the solving, Monty?
You're top of the post pile, but it's all chatter and ham.
Give us some reads.
Why should I never be lynched, Renata?
Because I like you and you've gotten a lot of bad games lately.
I guess you could say that Hardclaim: Liar is a pretty bold start for a scum but really I just like you and want to play a game with you and not have you lynched for dumb reasons on like day two.
Your subsequent posts do not worry me either.
hey renata, why do i scare you?
is it my tendency to post in all lowercase?
i don't bite... much
why would i scare you, i was but a babyfaced young mafiate when we last played
You have a rather terrifying reputation you've developed by now, King of Turbos.
Kk, when you're caught up on his play could you elaborate on your lean/thoughts?
He's still looking good to me, a bit better than before even. Indistinguishable tone from last game where he was town.
Are those all meant to be synonyms? :inquisitive:
More like variations on a theme.
Renata - I saw the quoted post, but where did he keep talking about NK?
Only way I see NK helping us figure scum is by reducing the pool of players.
Both strange comments afaict?
He mentioned NKs twice in ways I don't understand, seemed to be suggesting there's something different about them this game than usual. I haven't figured it out.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:23
Standard brush-off, not convincing.
Where's the solving, Monty?
You're top of the post pile, but it's all chatter and ham.
Give us some reads.
I gave the correct answer. I won't dance to brush you on.
The mania is passing, so don't expect the rate to keep.
District One is looking town. District Three is looking powerful.
You have a rather terrifying reputation you've developed by now, King of Turbos.
who's been telling porkies
i just click buttons as zack would put it
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:24
Visor, I wanted to save this for later but whatever:
Under what circumstances are you planning to not use your ability?
atheotes
12-18-2016, 14:27
Woah...10 pages already. ppl making election promises?
catching up now.
Visor, I wanted to save this for later but whatever:
Under what circumstances are you planning to not use your ability?
when I'm not a representative?
Schema come out and plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.
W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.
W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.
Does Monty's Town style include prolonged fishing for reactions? (Anyone?)
Liking/mindmelding most of Winston's entry to here.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:30
when I'm not a representative?
Schema come out and plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Come back when you can admit that you know what I'm asking. ASAP
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 14:30
Because I like you and you've gotten a lot of bad games lately.
:laugh4: at 'gotten'.
It all was my own doing. The D1 lynches were an unfortunate side-effect of my experiments in scumhunting-by-way-of-shitposting, and most of the early kills were a consequence of me tricking the scum into thinking I was a PR.
I guess you could say that Hardclaim: Liar is a pretty bold start for a scum but really I just like you and want to play a game with you and not have you lynched for dumb reasons on like day two.
This makes me both happy and paranoid.
I've never seen Monty's town style. I will say that as scum he definitely has the willingness to pick fights with fellow wolves, which is what I guess Winston is getting at. I will say that so far he's not much reminding me of scum Monty from last game tone-wise. He was more deliberate then, less out there and weird. I hesitate to give him any town points for it, but there it is.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 14:34
Must be very painful to do tallies at EOD.
I will try to do one as i read.
a guy who is actually willing to do work for the town! make him the Chancellor already!:thinking2:
Monty, do you think I am a wolf or villager (ignoring everything about my claim)
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 14:41
How on earth does "#blue" translate to that color???
Unvote: GH
Missed this the first time. :laugh4:
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:42
Monty, do you think I am a wolf or villager (ignoring everything about my claim)
A large part of my suspicion has to do with your posts and posting, less with immediate mechanics of your claim. But you've acted in a way just suited to maximizing the baleful potential of mechanics. I hope you get elected. Then we can see how compromisable your alignment really is.
(If it were permitted, I would have just PMed you)
And I'm caught up.
Guys, please don't expect me to be here at night, or early morning, or even day or evening. Just don't expect me, that's all.
I'll attempt to make my opinions known, however with this much mechanics talk it's hard to assess who's being genuine or not. It's not hard to do mechanics talk when scum.
Thoughts beyond mechanics incoming?
A large part of my suspicion has to do with your posts and posting, less with immediate mechanics of your claim. But you've acted in a way just suited to maximizing the baleful potential of mechanics. I hope you get elected. Then we can see how compromisable your alignment really is.
(If it were permitted, I would have just PMed you)
okay so what is wrong with my posts and posting?
atheotes
12-18-2016, 14:50
Probably not. I'm personally all in favor of allowing the scum to lead us though. That's how these games usually go. vote: Zack
For my local district, it must of course be the only person in the group I've played with before, excepting choxorn, who should be immediately disqualified for obvious reasons. The one, the only, vote:Dp101!
vote: El Barto can die.
iirc, you have played only one game with Dp right? the one where he was mislynched D1?
iirc, you have played only one game with Dp right? the one where he was mislynched D1?
The one where I got him killed, yes. I'm trusting I've learned the error of my ways.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 14:54
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
Vote: GH
Should probably preview my posts before actually posting them.
hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 14:56
hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH
Interesting note: given the timing, GH had that spiel saved to paste as soon as the game started. I suspect it is non-indicative, or even townish.
okay so what is wrong with my posts and posting?
They're not town Visor. You know I can't answer that.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 15:01
dicetosser feels relaxed.
Cool if scum.
Easy enough to fake it D1, but not a lynch candidate on current evidence.
Interesting note: given the timing, GH had that spiel saved to paste as soon as the game started. I suspect it is non-indicative, or even townish.
They're not town Visor. You know I can't answer that.
:stare:
useful
i'm asking you to have a discussion with me here
copout answers like this lead only one way
atheotes
12-18-2016, 15:01
The one where I got him killed, yes. I'm trusting I've learned the error of my ways.
Well, in that case you are not able to say if he is effective in scum hunting since his vote will be the one that matters. FOS: Renata
Well, in that case you are not able to say if he is effective in scum hunting since his vote will be the one that matters. FOS: Renata
I've said elsewhere that my number one priority is in electing someone I can read/who I've read as town. Both of those are true for Dp at this point and not true of anyone else in my group, although dicetosser looks OK.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 15:07
:stare:
useful
i'm asking you to have a discussion with me here
copout answers like this lead only one way
There's nothing to discuss for the moment, unless you have the new ideas ready. I will be watching.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 15:14
I've said elsewhere that my number one priority is in electing someone I can read/who I've read as town. Both of those are true for Dp at this point and not true of anyone else in my group, although dicetosser looks OK.
Well, Dp had not yet posted when you voted him as rep. TMI?
There's a bit more than mechanics talk now.
Yeah, and I will attempt to reread. See if it gets me anywhere. Kind of burned out atm, so don't expect greatness on D1 please.
He's still looking good to me, a bit better than before even. Indistinguishable tone from last game where he was town.
Who's "he" here?
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the nested quotes. At least then I would be able to find out who people were talking about.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 15:23
Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 15:23
:laugh4: at the x-post.
Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.
Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 15:25
Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.
Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.
Thoughts beyond mechanics incoming?
Nah, I'll probably talk only mechanics all game.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 15:28
We are split to maximum.
First, only the Chancellor can do it so the question is moot. But if I were Chancellor, separating - let's say I peeked them scum - scum should not have a clear effect on the lynch in any particular way. The only possible scenario is if I knew how someone would vote if elected and created ground for representatives mostly interested in lynching some scum.
I think with every redistricting, so not exactly every day.
Not really. It looks awful for representatives, and whether or not they are scum you can fix the situation by forcing byelections.
:inquisitive: No PRs in the game right?
hmm...Voting the Chancellor to power and being the representative of your district is probably the best place for scum to be...
FOS: GH
Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.
:inquisitive: No PRs in the game right?
Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.
Fishing attempt noted though :P
Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.
Visor is one that scares me too. So is Zack. I'm trying hard not to let fear get in the way of reads/logical play though, and I don't think it should have much place on D1?
On the other side of Visor, he can be an amazing asset if Town and he's come out YOLO and guns blazing and is questioning/probing/giving opinions on a wide range of players, which I lean Town for now.
The power he's claimed is valuable to either alignment and one reason I suggest we elect him and let him use it is his actions should eventually speak for themselves/be a clue to his alignment.
He might be a Deep Wolf, but if that's the case we won't catch him out letting him play in the shadows imo.
:stare:
Just to follow up on this, I've been thinking you're town and I guess I still am, but characterizing my vote as opportunistic gets under my skin and makes me itch in the worst way given it's possibly the best early-day-one scum tell I have. I don't find his follow-up posts to be towny either and I think you're the second person to have asserted that they are, for no reason as far as I can see. What did he say that makes you think a scum-Jabbz wouldn't do that?
I can understand that itch, but for me there's a difference between 'possibly opportunistic' and 'opportunistic' so maybe that helps. Using the former like I did means I'm still in the stage of trying to figure you out.
Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.
On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.
What specifically don't you like about his replies?
Third person who likes Jabbz and I'm still wondering why.
What do you make of each of those players themselves?
Well, Dp had not yet posted when you voted him as rep. TMI?
I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 15:53
Rereading El Barto, I'm content with my vote.
Defence by meta doesn't wash.
Need to see some actual townie intent, beyond the self preservation.
Visor is one that scares me too. So is Zack. I'm trying hard not to let fear get in the way of reads/logical play though, and I don't think it should have much place on D1?
On the other side of Visor, he can be an amazing asset if Town and he's come out YOLO and guns blazing and is questioning/probing/giving opinions on a wide range of players, which I lean Town for now.
He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.
Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.
On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.
What specifically don't you like about his replies?
Nothing in particular that I don't like, but nothing that strikes me as towny in a way to counteract my first impression, either. You're giving him points for reconsidering his comments in light of Zack's correction, but what is a scum Jabbz supposed to do there? Argue? Zack was clearly correct on the merits, it wasn't even debatable. And it wasn't like it was a discussion over reads or anything either, it was just a misinterpretation of early comments. I'd think it would not be difficult for a scum Jabbz to give in gracefully.
What do you make of each of those players themselves?
Winston -- town
You -- town, with reservations
I don't remember who the third person was.
renata how do you feel on me
ignore 'scary'
town/wolf?
atheotes
12-18-2016, 16:01
Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.
yes..the eulogy(?) was not game related.(it was good, GH :2thumbsup:) i was judging his votes only based on his posts.
Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.
Fishing attempt noted though :P
:stare: fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!
He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.
i stated my position
give me rep.
tell me, town/wolf
renata how do you feel on me
ignore 'scary'
town/wolf?
If you put a gun to my head, I'd say town. I don't want to get pocketed again.
Quick read on atheotes, Visor. And El Barto I guess, anyone else who's shown up more recently.
He mentioned NKs twice in ways I don't understand, seemed to be suggesting there's something different about them this game than usual. I haven't figured it out.
Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 16:12
I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?
its the way you phrased it. I read it as "being able to read AND being your town read", which was not possible when you voted. Its something that pinged me. I was hoping to get a second opinion. Nothing more for you to explain on this. I will just keep you in my suspect list for now :bow:
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 16:13
Dp101 with his standard townie look.
I'm seeing some hints of greater confidence here, which is something I'd expect from Dp as scum. Could just as easily be progress in his town game, though.
Rereading El Barto, I'm content with my vote.
Defence by meta doesn't wash.
Need to see some actual townie intent, beyond the self preservation.
Does El Barto ever deliver Townie intent? I've seen him focus on self-pres in both alignments.
Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.
vote: Cass_
Reservations are silly.
El Barto wolfy
Atheotes null at the moment
Maybe light town but it's very light
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 16:17
Does El Barto ever deliver Townie intent? I've seen him focus on self-pres in both alignments.
He can do townie intent.
Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 16:18
Morning all.
Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?
Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.
DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.
Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.
The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 16:21
Hi Jabbz! vote: Jabbz
For an innocuous "here's the state of the game, yup" intro.
i like this because its what i thought about the post
i want to give him some time though, see where he goes from there yet
could just be a style clash
This is a fundamental problem for me! I read Jabbz post and thought "his thinking is similar to mine - must be town!" :dizzy2:
Yet, you guys think the exact opposite. explains why people find me wolfy all the time.
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 16:26
Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.
This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.
Vote: Sooh
He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.
Nothing in particular that I don't like, but nothing that strikes me as towny in a way to counteract my first impression, either. You're giving him points for reconsidering his comments in light of Zack's correction, but what is a scum Jabbz supposed to do there? Argue? Zack was clearly correct on the merits, it wasn't even debatable. And it wasn't like it was a discussion over reads or anything either, it was just a misinterpretation of early comments. I'd think it would not be difficult for a scum Jabbz to give in gracefully.
Winston -- town
You -- town, with reservations
I don't remember who the third person was.
Checking Visor ISO, after Monty starts at him, he mentions/comments on posts from you, Jabbz, Dp101 and GH, votes Sooh and gives lists of his leans/thoughts in a couple of places. I don't have Sooh in my personal vote-for-lynch range but I can follow everything else.
Wrt Jabbz, I don't disagree with anything you say there, at all, and will be factoring that in down the line. I don't really think it's worth going around in circles on, first read-through it and tone seemed Towny, other things were null to possi-scum and he could still go either way /shrug.
Also, lol at the 'with reservations' since it gets under my skin in the way you mentioned previously.
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 17:21
Holy jeez sorry guys it's been a hectic couple days
Just woke up gonna do morning things then post stuff that actually matters
HI I'm monstrman for those who haven't met me
:stare: fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!
How is that ever TMI? Might just as well be a claim for all I know.
Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.
Apart from the obvious "night kills inform town who the scums are afraid of" I don't know either.
This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.
Vote: Sooh
I love you too, GH.
Holy jeez sorry guys it's been a hectic couple days
Just woke up gonna do morning things then post stuff that actually matters
HI I'm monstrman for those who haven't met meMonstrman, pls be town and be my friend <3
Vote: Montmorency
Vote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Sooh
vote: Cass_
Reservations are silly.
My play is silly sometimes. Reservations are understandable.
So much for me ever getting sleep this game :rolleyes:
He can do townie intent.
Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.
This is harrowing, since I assume it means he's also regularly an easy mislynch?
El Barto until he steps it up/someone else is more clearly scum.
Morning all.
Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?
Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.
DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.
Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.
The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.
The 'one or two others' that would be in scumleans for discussing mechanics at that point would include Dp101, who you separate from that list and say looks good.
I've done more than just talk mechanics, don't like that that gets ignored.
Do you have a current read of Zack's play, or are you simply going with the intro post?
Vote: Name until he steps it up/someone else is more clearly scum.
EBWOP
Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's way past time for sleep.
Vote: El Barto
For the same reasons I voted him, and Name, before.
Will catch up and try to be coherent tomorrow after sleep.
Also.
Monstrrrrrrrrrrbroooooo! <3
Morning all.
Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?
Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.
DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.
Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.
The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.
I'm not sure I like this post. The first couple of reads are awfully general (who even are those who should be given town credit for wanting to stop mechanical discussion, GH? Why do you think that's such a difficult thing to do as scum, to look townie?) and at odds with a post that otherwise shows recognition of specific things that happened (like Winston's post about dp). I know this isn't exactly a drop-dead scum tell after misreading Khaan last game in part over something similar, but rightly or wrongly, I expect a little more sharpness and genuine feeling from you.
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:05
Monstrman, pls be town and be my friend <3
Yes and FINE
reading now in italics so this sentence has more emphasis
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:08
ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK!
Zack?
TWTBAW?
How could anyone be too wolfy to be a wolf by page 2?
All I saw was a bunch of people electing Zack chancellor
Hi, just woke up, bunch of stuff appears to have happened. The confidence thing that a couple of you have picked up on is a mixture of 2 things. 1, I feel that to be a more effective town player I need to stick to my reads more, so I'm trying to be more forceful. 2, I felt that the mechanics were an interesting way that the game could be solved very easily, so having a clear goal that I could try to accomplish D1 gave me something to post about. Hope this clears that up, I'm open to questions/vague accusations as always. Oh, and the Renata town read comes mostly off of tone at this stage, she seems to be operating as town.
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:11
vote cass
shes thinking already. I can see the wheels turning.
cass You are going to get too wrapped up in this game I can see it a mile off. No posting after 10pm or I start dobbing to ure better half
+1 town dice points for a post that reminds me of one he made the last game we played together
Cass on the rest of this page improves slightly, but I'd still like to see you answer my question tho cause I am very confused by it
I doubt these two are wolves together regardless because I don't think wolf dice makes the bold "elect a wolf chancellor d1" play
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:11
Hi, just woke up, bunch of stuff appears to have happened. The confidence thing that a couple of you have picked up on is a mixture of 2 things. 1, I feel that to be a more effective town player I need to stick to my reads more, so I'm trying to be more forceful. 2, I felt that the mechanics were an interesting way that the game could be solved very easily, so having a clear goal that I could try to accomplish D1 gave me something to post about. Hope this clears that up, I'm open to questions/vague accusations as always. Oh, and the Renata town read comes mostly off of tone at this stage, she seems to be operating as town.
This is a villager
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:12
Well I mean, maybe I guess
The biggest thing that reads villager to me is "I need to stick to my reads more" but I think that's more of a "echoes my playstyle" so I cant really say you're a lock villager for it as I implied but
Still villagery /shrugs
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 18:13
I've skimmed, sorry.
Do you have a current read of Zack's play, or are you simply going with the intro post?
Nothing that sets off any alarms.
I'll try to be more sharp and have more genuine feelings in the future though.
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:14
vote hankerchief
dice, what for?
If you explained it I'm sorry for asking but mostly I want to talk to you directly because that is how I best make reads
I suppose it will be difficult at this forum though, especially with how busy I am
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:14
I've skimmed, sorry.
Nothing that sets off any alarms.
I'll try to be more sharp and have more genuine feelings in the future though.
I just wolfed with Zack not too long ago so I'll see what I find
From what I recall he played mostly a utr pushing villagers game
Crossposts. That was aimed at GH.
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 18:17
I just wolfed with Zack not too long ago so I'll see what I find
From what I recall he played mostly a utr pushing villagers game
Let me elaborate on this, Zack's been taking a pretty common-sense "we want townies as district representatives/idk what my plan is going to be, a lot of it will be depending on the game flow" tactic when questioned about his strategy, which is exactly what I'd expect from town Zack in a position of power.
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:17
Now. You like me now .
Wait for the real crazy to come out.
Also, <3 but pocket attempt denied :p
Who else do you like right now?
Villagery
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:19
Let me elaborate on this, Zack's been taking a pretty common-sense "we want townies as district representatives/idk what my plan is going to be, a lot of it will be depending on the game flow" tactic when questioned about his strategy, which is exactly what I'd expect from town Zack in a position of power.
Yeah makes sense to me also, but I'm still gonna read him for completeness sake and for my reedz
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:24
Winston Hughes BSmith Csargo Riedquat El Barto Monstrbro
gimme power please
Considering it.
I like your claim, but I'm worried you are the kind of person who would just claim that power as scum so I'm gonna keep reading first
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:25
This mechanics talk is great and all, but where are the reads
I think Cass is town and renata probably also town
I kinda like Dices first post just because
zack is.... okay? i guess
Ok nvm visor is a villager lol these are like literally exactly my reads and exactly my feelings about the thread up to this point
visor
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:26
In fact
visor
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:27
Just in case of formatting problems
Vote: visor
Vote: visor
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:33
Okok bbl fronds
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:35
Dp
Visor
Dice
Cass
Renata probably
Villager list of people that are town friends yay
No strong scum suspects yet
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 18:42
It can only work like this:
1. Lynch wolfy people
2. Win game
See, that's why electing and lynching you works just as well.
A few posts back have had some tone I don't like but this post prolly enough for me to
vote: montmorency
Prolly gone for a while now not sure if I'll make EoD this started at at really hectic time in my life
I'll be around more later tonight if I haven't missed anything
Playing on my phone and skimming because my compuser is broken so idk exactly when deadline is but I'll try to be back
atheotes
12-18-2016, 18:57
How is that ever TMI? Might just as well be a claim for all I know.
Scum are in a better position to guess if there are any town PRs and what they might be.
hence i think it is coming from a position of added information. The fact that i have not liked Monty's posting also makes me lean wolf rather than town PR.
atheotes
12-18-2016, 19:24
OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.
Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.
Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.
Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto
Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
Vote: El Barto
atheotes
12-18-2016, 19:29
Current tally. request everyone to check their votes.
Pizza, if this is not really useful let me know.
<tbody>
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Jabbz
Choxorn
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Winston
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Cass
GH
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Winston
Visor
El barto
BSmith
Visor
Visor
Visor
Sooh
Csargo
Winston
Monty
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Renata
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
El barto
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
atheotes
Zack
Cass
El barto
</tbody>
My Internet is out. I,m useless on a phone so don't expect much if anything until it's fixed.
Ok, when you wake up, you need to tell me what this simile is meant to evoke, cause I'm really confused.
I'm saying you bounce around a lot from idea to idea and stance to stance.
Current tally. request everyone to check their votes.
Pizza, if this is not really useful let me know.
<tbody>
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Jabbz
Choxorn
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Winston
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Cass
GH
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Winston
Visor
El barto
BSmith
Visor
Visor
Visor
Sooh
Csargo
Winston
Monty
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Renata
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
El barto
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
atheotes
Zack
Cass
El barto
</tbody>
pretty sure I blued Cass.
but yay, El barto and I leading the lynch so far.
Happy to see you trust me enough to make me a contender for at least one of the positions today :P
What is with this defeatism about day one from you and dp? Its hogwash, IMO. Of course you can catch wolves on day one, and for real reasons, too. I don't think my reads are much better than chance right now on the whole, but in another game I called out three wolves on day one -- voted two and vigged another -- and was right all three times. It can happen.
Your first post reminded me of one of them.
Sure, you can catch a wolf day one, statistically its possible, and it might happen often enough that you get a sense of confirmation bias surrounding it. That doesn't mean its likely, or even probable that the reason you actually got them was because they did something that led to their righteous demise. More likely by far is the fact that you got lucky, and your brain doesn't pay attention to the number of cases where you were SURE you had a scum, and they turned out to be town. It's not fatalism or defeatism, its just reality. I prefer to accept that, and focus on day 1 content with the intent to use it in future days as an established baseline for trends and a backdrop to check future arguments against. It's effective.
OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.
Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.
Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.
Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto
The only one of these I've seen reasons for is me, and Im not so impressed with that one. Reasons for your other reads please, particularly GH, Monty, Jabbz, Zack.
Sure, you can catch a wolf day one, statistically its possible, and it might happen often enough that you get a sense of confirmation bias surrounding it. That doesn't mean its likely, or even probable that the reason you actually got them was because they did something that led to their righteous demise. More likely by far is the fact that you got lucky, and your brain doesn't pay attention to the number of cases where you were SURE you had a scum, and they turned out to be town. It's not fatalism or defeatism, its just reality. I prefer to accept that, and focus on day 1 content with the intent to use it in future days as an established baseline for trends and a backdrop to check future arguments against. It's effective.
Fine. I don't much care about that right now, though, would rather have reads as opposed to an excuse for not having any. Let's see this focus on day one content.
Sure, you can catch a wolf day one, statistically its possible, and it might happen often enough that you get a sense of confirmation bias surrounding it. That doesn't mean its likely, or even probable that the reason you actually got them was because they did something that led to their righteous demise. More likely by far is the fact that you got lucky, and your brain doesn't pay attention to the number of cases where you were SURE you had a scum, and they turned out to be town. It's not fatalism or defeatism, its just reality. I prefer to accept that, and focus on day 1 content with the intent to use it in future days as an established baseline for trends and a backdrop to check future arguments against. It's effective.
isn't the best way to establish trends and analysis to treat it seriously and play it like any other day?
Fine. I don't much care about that right now, though, would rather have reads as opposed to an excuse for not having any. Let's see this focus on day one content.
it reminds me of how i played in aspiring rappers on d1 (as scum)
i don't understand why so many people are town-reading jabbz, i feel like i am taking crazy pills
if anything it seems like artificial support from wolfbros
anyone hesitating to make a read out of fear of being wrong deserves a slap
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 21:07
And if he continues in his position of rep?
then the people in his electorate obviously like his work. Plus we see what he does and can evaluate KNOWING he is DV
Leaning the bold here tentative Towny tone for Dice.
I also want more from GH and Montmorency and can see TownDiceMind latching at these two.
Have never known him to be self conscious about how things go over so my own 'logical paranoia' says the other part still currently stands out.
dice, what alignment were you on PerC and could you link me to your ISO from that game pls?
the paranoia comment is me thinking what scum might do in a situation.
I cant find the one with visor in it I think it was disc world but this is a scum game I replaced into http://personalitycafe.com/mafia/870714-mafia-open-9-murder-justin-bieber-town-win.html
don't think I lasted long
Because I like you and you've gotten a lot of bad games lately.
I guess you could say that Hardclaim: Liar is a pretty bold start for a scum but really I just like you and want to play a game with you and not have you lynched for dumb reasons on like day two.
I wasn't sure what this meant when it was first posted, but now I'm even more confused, as you make it sound like something official. What do you folks mean when you say "Hardclaim: Liar?" Inside joke, or something more meaningful?
I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?
You realize that's the same criterion I put forth, for the same person, and I'm pretty sure I put it in before you, though I could certainly be wrong on the timing. Why exactly don't you like me again? Genuine question. (Sorry used to a forum tool that lets us pick out individual players so it's easy to quickly scan through every post of a specific person in a hurry. My kung fu at going through manually is less developed)
This is a fundamental problem for me! I read Jabbz post and thought "his thinking is similar to mine - must be town!" :dizzy2:
Yet, you guys think the exact opposite. explains why people find me wolfy all the time.
If it makes you feel better, I often get thought of as scum early. My approach to the game is different, as I was first exposed to Mafia as an in person game with a group of college speech and debate folks, so the style was different in the extreme. Towards the end of the game I just end up being hyper defensive, and still thought of as scum :P I'm pretty much used to that flow at this point, and am resigned to looking scummy, so I just do my best to hunt, and when I die, with luck, my arguments get some extra credibility and are used to find some wolves.
Well I mean, maybe I guess
The biggest thing that reads villager to me is "I need to stick to my reads more" but I think that's more of a "echoes my playstyle" so I cant really say you're a lock villager for it as I implied but
Still villagery /shrugs
That statement comes out every game I've played with him :P Pretty much a null tell in my book.
You realize that's the same criterion I put forth, for the same person, and I'm pretty sure I put it in before you, though I could certainly be wrong on the timing. Why exactly don't you like me again? Genuine question. (Sorry used to a forum tool that lets us pick out individual players so it's easy to quickly scan through every post of a specific person in a hurry. My kung fu at going through manually is less developed)
I was responding to atheotes in that post. I don't know why you're talking to me about it. It's your first post as a whole that I had a problem with (and lack of any signs of towniness since then), not whatever specific opinions you might have about the mechanics.
You can go through a person's posts individually by clicking on the total thread posts number on the game thread.
As for Winston, I'd say it's a joke, likely related to his (false) "Hardclaim: Survivor" post that got him lynched day one of a previous game. But as always, if you have to explain it, you ruin it.
Fine. I don't much care about that right now, though, would rather have reads as opposed to an excuse for not having any. Let's see this focus on day one content.
First, I have made reads where I felt they were applicable, note for instance the jump on Zack early. Implying I'm using my arguments as an excuse to not do so is disingenuous at best. Second, I noted early on that I know exactly one (maybe two, I think I played one game with Winston, not sure) people in this game, so my I have no baselines for my reads. The vast majority of reads so far have been based on individuals past experience with those they are reading, I've done the same with Dp101. Absent that however, I don't have much to work with.
isn't the best way to establish trends and analysis to treat it seriously and play it like any other day?
Sure, and I've poked and prodded where I found something interesting, and responded where appropriate. Please note the above section.
it reminds me of how i played in aspiring rappers on d1 (as scum)
i don't understand why so many people are town-reading jabbz, i feel like i am taking crazy pills
if anything it seems like artificial support from wolfbros
Given the size of this game, there likely between 4 and 5 wolves. You're saying three of them jumped to defend another, constituting the majority of the wolves, because.... reasons? That makes zero logical sense what so ever. As I noted above, when you haven't played with someone you have no baseline for their behavior and interactions. That means you folks are going into this blind in regards to me. Why would I need to be artificially propped up? I have what, one, maybe two votes on me? Not exactly enough pressure to warrant support by my team. This argument is sketchy as hell.
Given the size of this game, there likely between 4 and 5 wolves. You're saying three of them jumped to defend another, constituting the majority of the wolves, because.... reasons? That makes zero logical sense what so ever. As I noted above, when you haven't played with someone you have no baseline for their behavior and interactions. That means you folks are going into this blind in regards to me. Why would I need to be artificially propped up? I have what, one, maybe two votes on me? Not exactly enough pressure to warrant support by my team. This argument is sketchy as hell.
isn't your entire case on me that people voted me chancellor early?
and if you actually read what i said instead of inserting your own interpretation as you seem wont to do, you'd realize that comment was an afterthought as a possible explanation for the number of inexplicable townreads on you
if you need me to explain why wolves would townread their teammates, then lol
I was responding to atheotes in that post. I don't know why you're talking to me about it. It's your first post as a whole that I had a problem with (and lack of any signs of towniness since then), not whatever specific opinions you might have about the mechanics.
You can go through a person's posts individually by clicking on the total thread posts number on the game thread.
As for Winston, I'd say it's a joke, likely related to his (false) "Hardclaim: Survivor" post that got him lynched day one of a previous game. But as always, if you have to explain it, you ruin it.
I'm not talking about mechanics, I'm talking about your reasons for putting Dp101 in blue, as I did. Sorry if there was some confusion there, but the question remains.
I may be blind, but I'm not seeing a total thread posts number anywhere, could I get some additional clarification there? That sounds extremely useful.
On Winston, got it. Better a ruined joke though that thinking I might be missing something important.
isn't your entire case on me that people voted me chancellor early?
and if you actually read what i said instead of inserting your own interpretation as you seem wont to do, you'd realize that comment was an afterthought as a possible explanation for the number of inexplicable townreads on you
if you need me to explain why wolves would townread their teammates, then lol
There is a difference between a few people coming in to get a train rolling on voting you chancellor, and having someone artificially prop up someone who you claim is reading scum. I can say I voted for you for chancellor in the first 10 pages (I have mine on 10 posts per page) without being attacked for being scum if you pop wolf later, by just pointing out there were no other options at the time. To defend someone who you claim is looking scummy however, that puts those people on the spot should I pop scum later.
This is the second or third time you've attempted to dismiss my arguments by implying I lack the intelligence to understand how this game works. While that doesn't bother me, think what you will, it does come across as a very weak method of arguments, as you don't deal with my argument, but instead create a strawman and then insult me for arguing it. I made a clear argument regarding why wolves wouldn't, under these circumstances, support a teammate in the way you say. Rather than deal with that argument you "lolwut?" and try to move on. It's scummy as hell mate, and I'm glad my vote is already on you, saves me the effort of changing it.
i don't even understand what you are talking about in your first paragraph
your second is pretty rich
Go out to Gameroom forum itself. You'll see the thread for this game. To the right you will see the word "Replies" and a number, which is currently 406. If you click on the 406 you will get a list of people who've posted in the thread with the number of their posts to the right. Click on those numbers and you get all of that player's posts.
As for the answer to the question of 'why I don't like you', you'll find it if you look at my posts. ;)
I'd really like to see what you have to say when you're not defending yourself, so I'm not going to keep arguing with you right now. I'll just say that I don't consider what you had to say about the initial push for Zack as chancellor to be a read in the sense that I mean.
what is your read on sooh and barto
That was a response to 407.
that question was directed to jabbz
I'd like to hear him give an actual read that isn't just making up new reasons to not change his vote from me
And with that I'm caught up. Some thoughts before I take off for a while.
I still like the arguments being made by Cass, they come across as genuine and thoughtful. While there is some discussion about mechanics, which I think is appropriate given the nature of this format and the fact that Cass is a contender for Chancellor, there is also a great deal of other observations. More than anyone other than Rennata, Cass has been prodding and questioning others on their arguments, and hasn't been afraid to put those on record. To me that's a huge town read.
I also feel much the same way about Rennata. There are a great deal of posts, and the vast majority of them seem substantive, unlike others who don't seem to be contributing to much other than their post count. Rennata doesn't like me so far, but that in and of itself isn't a tell either way, especially given that their observations on me have been direct and thoughtful, rather than superficial.
Dp101 Seems pretty much the same as I've seen him in past games. In the past it has taken him a day or two to get in a groove, and even then he jumps at anything shiny. He's also pretty good about dropping them once he realizes he is wrong however, and that behavior seems to be continuing here. With him in my sectors representative spot, I'll be able to see him at work, but so far he comes across towny.
Visor's posts come across as fairly empty of content. He has made a number of statements regarding how he is going to win, by "finding wolves and lynching them" but hasn't contributed much beyond that. Most of his posts are short and are about him in some way or another. That could be his style, I don't know, but it comes across as artificially upping a post count by not saying much.
Zack comes across as very scummy to me. I addressed my reservations of him a post or two above, and said why my vote is on him, so I won't repeat it.
Everyone else so far I don't have a read on either way. Maybe later there will be more for me to work with. Off for a while. Have fun.
well glad i could hear your thoughts on the major wagons before you left
what is your read on sooh and barto
And atheotes and GH.
I like the shade on Visor. Not that I'm ridiculously confident in my Jabbz vote or anything, but if I do turn out to be right, that looks decidedly unlike w/w.
I like the shade on Visor. Not that I'm ridiculously confident in my Jabbz vote or anything, but if I do turn out to be right, that looks decidedly unlike w/w.
I've seen some variation of that line from lots of people playing with visor for the first time, regardless of alignments
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 23:21
I'm finishing off a bottle of Sangiovese that I started an hour ago, ask me anything.
I'm finishing off a bottle of Sangiovese that I started an hour ago, ask me anything.
Who are your scum partners?
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 23:39
Who are your scum partners?
You and Zack, check your PMs. We've missed you in the Quicktopic.
You and Zack, check your PMs. We've missed you in the Quicktopic.
Dammit!
Opinion of Jabbz, GH? Scummy scum, or victim of another lolRenata tunnel?
Atheotes too while you're at it.
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 23:48
Opinion of Jabbz, GH? Scummy scum, or victim of another lolRenata tunnel?
Atheotes too while you're at it.
Definitely not seeing the incorruptible pure pureness that other folks have talked about, but I'm not ready to tar and feather him as an enemy of the state quite yet.
Gimme a sec for athetoes.
GeneralHankerchief
12-18-2016, 23:49
OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.
Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.
atheotes
Do you want this to be the uniform strategy throughout the game?
Did an iso of Sooh. 25 posts, didn't take long. There's very little substance. The following quote is as close as she comes to a read, and it's a soft defense more than a read, I think. The closest she comes to looking towny to me is in her seemingly nonchalant attitude to being voted, and that's not much. I'm hard pressed to move her from null on this evidence and can't find myself much bothered right now if she winds up being the lynch.
Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.
If anyone's got any tasty meta on Sooh for me, that'd be good.
Nah, last game I was mafia and kept expecting you lot to lynch atpg, which you kept failing to do.
Basically I'm OMGUS'ing Renata and voting for myself to be elected supreme ruler of the universe for now. :)
I'm not voting for you anymore. You're free to follow your heart.
You have more posts than I thought you did before I looked, but that doesn't help. I'm actually trying, despite my experience last game, but I can't read this.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:09
Zack (5): Renata, GH, Zack, Choxorn, Montmorency
Nothing against you Zack, but it's time to break the early-lead advantage that invariably appears in this type of vote.
Unvote: Zack
Vote: Cass
i strongly dislike this post
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:11
Vote: Cuthillius cause I feel like the worst person to be put in charge of a D1 lynch and all the candidates who have posted in the thread have either just come out of a stressful voting situation in their previous game or are new here, so right now just going for someone who will probably be rational if they ever show up.
lol
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:22
zack, cass, dp, all town
visor>monstr scum
mm
monty weirds me out a little but i don't think he's worth thinking about right now, plus he can resolve through connections
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 00:24
zack, cass, dp, all town
visor>monstr scum
mm
monty weirds me out a little but i don't think he's worth thinking about right now, plus he can resolve through connections
If visor is a villager like I think he will take note of this post as I have
Also hello
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:25
Vote: Cuthillius
Vote: Zack
Vote: Visor
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:25
If visor is a villager like I think he will take note of this post as I have
Also hello
interesting
care to elaborate what you mean
hi
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:27
gh could also be scum
Cuthilius, you may have your colors switched up. Zack is not a valid blue vote for you, but you are.
Would be interested in reasoning on Visor and Monstr.
Also about Monty resolving through connections. Hi :) by the way.
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:41
Vote: Cuthillius
Vote: Zack
Vote: Visor
Vote:Zack
Vote:Cuthillius
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:44
Would be interested in reasoning on Visor and Monstr.
eh
i think this is scum visor
he's saying the right things but i really feel like it's off
he hedges on zack initially
he's just off
and then monstr pops into thread and basically just says that he thinks visor is town in a certain way
meh
wrt monty he has taken a number (which i think is over one but am not fully sure) of relatively strong stances for/against players that will go farther towards resolving his alignment than his posting alone
can you summarize your thoughts on the gamestate; in particular talk to me about our district
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:45
visor is lacking
zack, cass, dp, all town
visor>monstr scum
mm
monty weirds me out a little but i don't think he's worth thinking about right now, plus he can resolve through connections
lolcuth
https://i.imgur.com/mDcMN7G.gif
visor is lacking
oh this is your way of pulling a reverse mike hunt
i get it
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:49
you're very mikey this game
visor is lacking
sensiblechuckle.gif
Cuthillius
12-19-2016, 00:51
you're very mikey this game
to clarify i did not see the prior post
this was in reply to the one with a gif
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 00:52
TALLY #2
<tbody>
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cuthillius
Cuthilius
Zack
Visor
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Jabbz
Choxorn
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Winston
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Cass
GH
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Winston
Visor
El barto
BSmith
Visor
Visor
Visor
Sooh
Csargo
Winston
Monty
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Renata
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
El barto
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
Jabbz
atheotes
Zack
Cass
El barto
</tbody>
i strongly dislike this post
That doesn't do you credit.
For Cuthilius:
Dp looks town to me. Jabbz doesn't. dicetosser hasn't made much of an impression, but a couple others have read him as town and I haven't seen anything to argue with them. Schema hasn't been here. Choxorn had a post or two but I don't remember what he said -- null, I guess.
At the moment I'm voting Dp for our representative as is Jabbz, while Dp is voting for you, sight unseen. I think you just tied it up.
I'm ok with your entrance tone-wise, but you seem to be hanging several of your reads on Visor being scum, and I don't know his meta at all, only his reputation. What in particular reminds you of his scum game?
Sooh and El Barto each have some votes -- reasonable ones but easy. Zack and I are on the same page on Jabbz. Winston looks towny to me.
Can't think of anything else of interest you haven't touched on, though I'm sure there's something.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 00:57
Prospects for Rep elections:
District 3
Zack - Jabbz
GH - Sooh
District 2
Visor - Sooh
Winston - El Barto
District
Cuth - Visor
Dp101 - Winston
Still in flux. The only way forward is to elect Cass Green, guys.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 00:58
Jabbz is one of the townier performances so far. Put him under Cass and DP.
I don't believe Winston is intended to be a real vote, but speaking of which, Dp101 should get to making one.
Jabbz is one of the townier performances so far. Put him under Cass and DP.
My head hurts.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 01:06
My head hurts.
Don't let it blow your mind, but consider how your Zack-meld is so strong that, beyond even its present manifestation, its force reached us across the intervening years of your hiatus from the moment of your return.
I'm sure that means something.
Here here here. Better late than never? I'm catching up this evening.
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 02:08
dice, what for?
If you explained it I'm sorry for asking but mostly I want to talk to you directly because that is how I best make reads
I suppose it will be difficult at this forum though, especially with how busy I am
gut reaction to that opening post. Feels like hes trying to set himself as the power behind the throne.
You're talking about the 500 word Ode to Zack? That was the result of a bet. How does that change your read, if it does?
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 02:22
that he deserves to be voted then for making stupid bets.
How do you know its a bet?
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 02:26
TALLY #2
<tbody>
Blue
Green
Red
DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch
Schema
Cuthillius
Cuthilius
Zack
Visor
Renata
Dp101
Cass
Jabbz
Choxorn
Zack
Dp101
Cuth
GH
Winston
Jabbz
Dp101
Cass
Zack
dicetosser1
Cass
GH
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
Winston
Visor
El barto
BSmith
Visor
Visor
Visor
Sooh
Csargo
Winston
Monty
Sooh
Riedquat
Visor
Visor
Visor
El Barto
El Barto
El Barto
Renata
Monstrbro
Visor
Visor
Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
GH
Cass
Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Sooh
Zack
Cass_
El barto
GeneralHankerchief
GH
Zack
Sooh
Zack
Zack
Zack
Jabbz
atheotes
Zack
Cass
El barto
</tbody>
I voted myself green and Visor blue.
GeneralHankerchief
12-19-2016, 02:28
that he deserves to be voted then for making stupid bets.
How do you know its a bet?
Townread to dicetosser.
It was because of a bet.
Just got out of movie, catching up. Jabbz town, Vote: Sooh cause they need to contribute more to be considered town.
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 02:54
Townread to dicetosser.
It was because of a bet.
I am REALLY tempted to lynch you anyway.
unvote vote montmerency
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 02:56
On Zack vs. Jabbz:
Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.
Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.
I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:01
As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.
It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.
That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.
I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 03:03
anyone know how many hrs to DL?
GeneralHankerchief
12-19-2016, 03:06
I am REALLY tempted to lynch you anyway.
unvote vote montmerency
So why don't you?
As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.
It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.
That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.
I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.
Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:07
anyone know how many hrs to DL?
It's at 2.30pm Eastern Time, which is just under 16.5 hours away by my reckoning.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 03:08
On Zack vs. Jabbz:
Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.
Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.
I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.
As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.
It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.
That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.
I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.
Do you have anyone that you can give town points to?
I ask because this seems like a lot of words to say "I am unsure of everything"
In fact, it's weird. I've completed three games since coming back, on two other sites and here, and here is where I've gotten by far the largest amount of skepticism despite that I think I'm playing similarly everywhere and have been town every time.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 03:09
Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.
It's tough to stay out of the paranoia box as a villager. What does scum!Winston look like in your experience?
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 03:11
In fact, it's weird. I've completed three games since coming back, on two other sites and here, and here is where I've gotten by far the largest amount of skepticism despite that I think I'm playing similarly everywhere and have been town every time.
Perspective is a really weird thing. The biggest part of this game that most people don't realize is that we are all reading the same thread but ultimately getting different information from it
It's amplified for the villagers tho so that's why I try to find them first
It's tough to stay out of the paranoia box as a villager. What does scum!Winston look like in your experience?
I wish I remembered. Like he mentioned, it's been almost five years. He's good, I know that much -- I wouldn't expect him to fall prey to the more obvious scum tells. Otherwise, I don't know. Better to ask someone who's played with him more recently.
I will say that I have a town read on him so far. I can't swear the read is well founded, but he looks like he's doing what a villager is here to do.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 03:16
I will say that I have a town read on him so far. I can't swear the read is well founded, but he looks like he's doing what a villager is here to do.
Kk I am satisfied with your answer enough to both bolster my townread on you (full disclosure I sponged my original read from visor) and to give a little bit of leeway to Winston because the friends of my friends are my friends
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 03:20
Jabbz is one of the townier performances so far. Put him under Cass and DP.
Kind of sucks when your biggest wolfread has two of your biggest townreads as town though
Makes a man wonder
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:22
Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.
In general, as either alignment, my paranoia has declined considerably.
Where you're concerned, though, it may take a while to subside.
El Barto
12-19-2016, 03:36
Saw about 250 posts, read two dozen of 'em at most, selected from those related to me:
Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.
What?
Pocketed, fooled, snowed, trashed, destroyed, take your pick of verbs.
Hey, we both did that!
Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.
Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.
Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.
It wasn't me, I didn't do it.
vote: jabbz
Sheeping Renata?
I'm not voting for you anymore. You're free to follow your heart.
OK, I am not obligated to vote for you anymore. And Dp101 has put Sooh in the lead, so I must abide by lawful custom and Vote: Winston Hughes.
(Cass_, I vote you in spirit).
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:39
Do you have anyone that you can give town points to?
I ask because this seems like a lot of words to say "I am unsure of everything"
I am unsure of everything, and I'm not minded here to pretend otherwise.
But I have been giving/implying townpoints (to Jabbz, Visor, dicetosser, Dp101), as well as scumpoints (to El Barto, Monty, Sooh, Zack).
I haven't reread Cass yet, but the vibe was fairly positive on first look.
Everyone else is in the null pile until I take a closer look.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 03:41
Kind of sucks when your biggest wolfread has two of your biggest townreads as town though
Makes a man wonder
Why? Most players so far are willing to call Cass and DP townie.
Gimme a read, El Barto. Snarky comments about Zack sheeping me don't count.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:44
What does scum!Winston look like in your experience?
I don't post this freely.
Or, at least, I never have before.
Could I do so? My game has changed so much since I last randed scum, I'm unsure about that myself.
Montmorency
12-19-2016, 03:45
I don't post this freely.
Or, at least, I never have before.
Different from Futuramafia?
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 03:57
Different from Futuramafia?
I was town there, as I have been in every game for nearly a year iirc.
If you mean my game here is different from Futuramafia, then you're right. I was too jumpy and excitable there, and gave too much priority to emergent reads.
I'm trying to be more methodical here (not least because I actually have time to do so), but I'm still posting the first thing that comes to mind, rather than sweating over every post.
El Barto
12-19-2016, 04:04
Gimme a read, El Barto. Snarky comments about Zack sheeping me don't count.
I meant he was pocketing you, actually.
Let's see.
It's D1.
I've spent a lot of the day doing stuff and then an hour calculating bets and RPS results.
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.
I'd honestly tell you to vote Sooh just to save my sorry arse and see what I can do in a few days when the RPS game has ended, but honestly, no. You can always burn Monty for having been scum last game, but that would apply only to me.
I'm not sure whether Monstrbro pings me because I've never played with him before or because he's doing something scummy. Beyond that… I always tend to analyse on the basis of votes. I'll see about that tomorrow. The group stage of RPS ends then and then the number of matches is halved every 24 hours. Yay.
dicetosser1
12-19-2016, 04:05
So why don't you?
Because while its stupid its not alignment indicative of itself.
It's at 2.30pm Eastern Time, which is just under 16.5 hours away by my reckoning.
Thank you.
in that case i nominate myself Area 1
vote dice
Blue is for district voting, not green.
El Barto
12-19-2016, 04:11
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.
teal deer: see you tomorrow when my brain really works.
I meant he was pocketing you, actually.
Let's see.
It's D1.
I've spent a lot of the day doing stuff and then an hour calculating bets and RPS results.
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.
I'd honestly tell you to vote Sooh just to save my sorry arse and see what I can do in a few days when the RPS game has ended, but honestly, no. You can always burn Monty for having been scum last game, but that would apply only to me.
I'm not sure whether Monstrbro pings me because I've never played with him before or because he's doing something scummy. Beyond that… I always tend to analyse on the basis of votes. I'll see about that tomorrow. The group stage of RPS ends then and then the number of matches is halved every 24 hours. Yay.
I feel your pain.
I feel your pain.
Once your brain has decheesified, reads pls.
Still seven pages from caught up. My own fault, whatever, I'll get there. Also I'm incredibly rusty and haven't played in months, so bear with me as I get up to speed on all the players.
Don't feel too comfortable wrt Mont, Renata, Winston. I'm considering all their posts and any arguments made toward them and a lynch that direction. Feel pretty good about Cass and dice.
First, Cass is just solvey, engaging everyone, asking hard questions. I'm happy with her game play and her follow-through, she seems committed.
I believe I've played with dice before on PerC and idk, I'm getting town vibes from over there this game. Tonally on point, if nothing else.
Okay, few more pages to go. BBL.
You've just put one of my top town reads, my "distinctly different from last game where he was scum even if I still don't trust him" read, and myself in your to-lynch list. I'd love to know why we differ so sharply, but you didn't include reasons.
Winston Hughes
12-19-2016, 04:39
Am I right in thinking Monstr has played across a lot of different communities?
The vibe is townie enough in itself, but I'm picking up a hint of caution that might seem sensible as scum.
Obviously RL can't be helped, but the delay before substantive posting began could also have seemed convenient, giving time to get a feel for how this game is going to be.
Gonna go ahead and do the thing.
Vote: Cass_
Am I right in thinking Monstr has played across a lot of different communities?
The vibe is townie enough in itself, but I'm picking up a hint of caution that might seem sensible as scum.
Obviously RL can't be helped, but the delay before substantive posting began could also have seemed convenient, giving time to get a feel for how this game is going to be.
Yes
You've just put one of my top town reads, my "distinctly different from last game where he was scum even if I still don't trust him" read, and myself in your to-lynch list. I'd love to know why we differ so sharply, but you didn't include reasons.
Are you talking to me? Quotes would help.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 04:41
Why? Most players so far are willing to call Cass and DP townie.
Yeah it seems like a staggering amount but I can't help it when I get the feeling that I'm barking up the wrong tree
I dunno, I need a few days to get a handle on the thread and everyone in it first
Yes, sorry. Getting tired.
Monstrdude
12-19-2016, 04:42
Am I right in thinking Monstr has played across a lot of different communities?
The vibe is townie enough in itself, but I'm picking up a hint of caution that might seem sensible as scum.
Obviously RL can't be helped, but the delay before substantive posting began could also have seemed convenient, giving time to get a feel for how this game is going to be.
I've been on a ton of sites been playing mafia since like... 05?
Are you talking to me? Quotes would help.
Gah. Yes, I was talking to you. I'm sorry, I'm getting tired and stupid.
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