Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Monstrdude]

If Jabbz is a wolf Winston is probably a villager?

I need to reread to make sure of that one

[Cuthillius]

i think schema's about 89% town here

[Sooh]

About 90% this for me:



It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.

You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.

So basically anti-omgus/pocket read.

[Cuthillius]

i want to say one of gh/winston

but i'm not 100% on that

meh on sooh's posting

it's nothing a wolf couldn't do and i don't really lean either way on it

[Monstrdude]

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

Which posts make you think visor is scum and why?

[Cass_]

Of the content I could actually understand without brainslide/disappointment


Wait, Dp. Are you seriously stating that you want to put the mafia in charge of the lynch? I might have to read the OP to get to grips with this.

Had the same thoughts so considered it could be Towny.
In retrospect he didn't follow up though.



Saw about 250 posts, read two dozen of 'em at most, selected from those related to me:



Hey, we both did that!



It wasn't me, I didn't do it.

Sheeping Renata?

OK, I am not obligated to vote for you anymore. And Dp101 has put Sooh in the lead, so I must abide by lawful custom and Vote: Winston Hughes.

(Cass_, I vote you in spirit).

Didn't like this post, especially the bold.

But I liked most of this, because ?effort ?thought.


I meant he was pocketing you, actually.

Let's see.
It's D1.
I've spent a lot of the day doing stuff and then an hour calculating bets and RPS results.
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.

I'd honestly tell you to vote Sooh just to save my sorry arse and see what I can do in a few days when the RPS game has ended, but honestly, no. You can always burn Monty for having been scum last game, but that would apply only to me.

I'm not sure whether Monstrbro pings me because I've never played with him before or because he's doing something scummy. Beyond that… I always tend to analyse on the basis of votes. I'll see about that tomorrow. The group stage of RPS ends then and then the number of matches is halved every 24 hours. Yay.

Don't understand the Monty comment.

But Winston Hughes is this post more in the vein of the extra effort you mention he's been putting in? Or is it still scum.

[Cuthillius]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

[Sooh]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

[Schema]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

Well damn. New informations.

Can you explain your change, please?

[Zack]

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town
why chox specifically

[Renata]

Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either

I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers

Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"

I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

[Monstrdude]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

I sort of do, but I'm kind of waiting for that "Aha! There it is!" Moment I get that bolsters my towns for me

[Zack]

wow i shitposted in discord for a minute and a new page happened

[Sooh]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy
Probably town, because I don't think scum would vote for a claimed PR at this point.

[Monstrdude]

I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

I made a post about not liking those posts directly to winston before that

This isn't point a to b

It's from a to B back to a

[Cuthillius]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

she's making short posts with weak reasons, citing omgus and using WIFOM

also the classic "why isn't <> getting looked at very closely" without really saying much else, in particular when combined with the previous line

also helps me evaluate visor

[Schema]

i think schema's about 89% town here

Why?

[Zack]

i think schema's about 89% town here

why not 90 lol

[Zack]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[Monstrdude]

Cuth is a villager btw

[Zack]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

raises hand

[Cass_]

i think schema's about 89% town here

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?


I like the casual tone and humour is :) regardless of alignment but 'catching up' etc and reads left me feeling eh

- Why Mont/Renata/Winston? for scum? Town reads on myself and Dice possibly too easy.

Interactions when she came in seemed a good start, concerned they didn’t seem to go anywhere/follow up on/relate to reads.

She backtracks from Renata on general grounds quickly after Renata initiates a little pressure but still pushes back in that direction.
Not sure what to make of that atp.

Question to her about Atheotes because 'I noticed you commented on their reads list earlier' feels leading and I can't figure out the Town purpose/thought process behind it.

Similar one to Visor about GH because nothing was previously expressed in either of those directions.
Mentions she works better on interactions, pokes at Monstr and Visor questions but doesn't give own opinions. Also doesn't do any digging into other scum reads despite saying 'considering all their posts and any arguments made toward them and a lynch in that direction'.

TLDR, atp it feels more general than solvey. Leaning meh-possi-scumm. Want to see follow ups and more substantial reads.
Schema

- What don't you like about Mont/Renata/Winston?

- What's your read/lean on Atheotes and why'd you ask Renata where she was at?

- Why'd you ask Visor for his opinion of GH? Where are you at on both of these players?

[Monstrdude]

I made a post about not liking those posts directly to winston before that

This isn't point a to b

It's from a to B back to a

In fact I'm surprised you don't remember because I spoke directly to you as well

[Cuthillius]

why chox specifically

because we actually know each other

unlike other people

and he actually voted for me

and i don't think dp knows me as well

sooo there are really only two people that i could possibly say that about and chox is the only one where it would be realistic?

[Dp101]

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101

[Monstrdude]

In fact I'm surprised you don't remember because I spoke directly to you as well

And you claim to have iso'd me

[Sooh]

raises hand

Why?

[Sooh]

Atheotes: You still haven't explained why El Barto was in your first list of scum leans.

[Zack]

cass i feel like you are always making long posts that are talking about "old" stuff

i don't think it's really alignment-indicative but i thought it was interesting, i'm pretty sure it's just a playstyle quirk

[Cuthillius]

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

i like

1)her thing on renata-she clearly elaborates why renata is where she is
2)mildly goes against thread consensus
3)actively gamesolving in a towny fashion

[Renata]

renata, i'd be willing to give the representative power to you

i voted for myself and am campaigning not because i trust myself to make the proper decisions, but because i didn't have any townreads in my district other than dp

and i don't want dp to have that vote; not because he's scummy but because he's relatively inexperienced and somewhat pocket-prone

and i don't think has the current mafia personality to use the role properly

if you want it, i'll vote for you for rep

I'm not going to stop you, but I'm much more comfortable backseat gaming right now. For one thing ,the only reason I'm even here right now is because my son is sick -- I was planning to go out this afternoon and am definitely going to be out this time two days from now. My husband is talking about Christmas shopping right now even at that.

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?

[Cass_]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

Me for now. Feel like he's pulling trains of thought out of my head throughout, and he's seemed questioning/solvey.

[Cuthillius]

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101

would you be willing to vote renata

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally as of 1020
Not verified yet, PM me with corrections.
<1.5 hours remain.

Straw polling results:

Person voting - District / Chancellor / Lynch

Schema --- Cass ---
Cuthillius Cuth Zack Sooh
Renata dp101 Cass Choxorn
Choxorn Cuth Zack ---
Dp101 Cuth GH Sooh
Jabbz dp101 Cass Zack
Dicetosser1 Dice Cass Monty

Winston Visor Cass El Barto
Bsmith Winston Visor Al Sips
Visor Visor Visor Cuthillius
Csargo Winston Cass Sooh
Riedquat Visor Visor Visor
El Barto El Barto El Barto Winston
Monstrbro Monstrbro Visor Winston

Montmorency GH Cass Visor
Al Sipsclar --- --- ---
Sooh Cass Sooh Zack
Cass_ --- --- ---
Generalhank GH Zack Sooh
Zack Zack Zack Jabbz
Atheotes Cass Winston choxorn


RESULTS SO FAR:

District One
Cuthillius leads the district with the support of 3:7 registered voters. Hardly a mandate, and his lead in the polls is tenuous, running on a campaign to change his name back to Cuthalion. dp101 is the nearest candidate with 2:7 registered voters supporting him. His platform confuses his supporters, mainly because he's supporting his opponent. Dicetosser1 is the only other candidate with any name recognition, unfortunately he gives speeches to supporters in empty arenas while wearing nothing but fuzzy dice in a strategic location. If Cuthillius is elected, he promises to lock Sooh up and investigate her emails. At least one undecided voter has yet to comment on the election.

District Two
Visor leads the district and is polling at (3:7), running on a campaign of slashing taxes for the middle class, but raising it for the upper class, and giving puppies to the poor. When asked how he will pay for it, he said "free trade", confusing everyone. Winston is in second place, running a long shot campaign against the current favorite, with only two supporters, not even including himself. Winston's strategy mainly involves electing Visor instead, curiously. And finally, El Barto is running a Quixotic campaign against the unstoppable Visor powerhouse, reminding people of Charles Doty, who couldn't even get his wife to vote for him. If Visor is elected, he promises to deport Cuthillius back to wherever he came from, probably the moon.

District Three
With several constituents not responding to pollsters, the race for district three is too close to call. Some people seem to support Cass, although she has yet to even accept the nomination to run for the district and is apparently unaware she's in the running. Noted four-star General Cornelius P. Hankerchief has announced his candidacy, and has even managed to win the support of his own campaign manager. Meanwhile, at Zack headquarters, the candidate sits alone in an unlit office with no electricity, heat, or running water, dreaming of at least being elected Chancellor. If Cass is elected, she promises to decide on a campaign platform. If GeneralHankerchief is elected, he promises to get at least five stars at his pirate-themed restaurant, noted for its ornate pocket squares. If Zack is elected, he promises to be even more Zack-like. It's unclear who the lynchee will be in this race.

Chancellor race
Cass: 7/21
Visor, Zack: 4/21
GH, El Barto, Winston, Sooh: 1/21

At Cass headquarters, supporters are cheering due to their lead in the polls. Supporters intend to inform Cass that she's about to be elected Chancellor anytime now, as she is blissfully unaware and still hasn't announced that she was even a candidate. She's in for a big surprise. Meanwhile, Visor and Zack are splitting the left wing vote, causing problems between the Judean people's front and the People's front of Judea, not to mention the Popular Front of Judea (Sooh). At the third party debates, El Barto promises to dismantle the entire federal structure and replace it with kitteh pictures.


Lynch
Who knows? Could be Sooh, could be Cuth, could be anyone at this rate. The leading candidates for the district races don't even agree on a suspect, so forming a united coalition in the currently divided Gameroom Congress could be difficult. Or it could be easy. I just do polls, don't ask me. They're usually wrong, too.


Editors note: This just in!
Poll does not reflect this updated information:

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101
We will adjust our tallies accordingly.

[Zack]

Why?
something something T O A N

[Renata]

That's two game days from now. Wednesday I'll probably be around.

[Cuthillius]

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?

I don't have enough experience with him to say really, but i haven't read him either way and i don't feel like i can trust him.

[Schema]

Schema

- What don't you like about Mont/Renata/Winston?

- What's your read/lean on Atheotes and why'd you ask Renata where she was at?

- Why'd you ask Visor for his opinion of GH? Where are you at on both of these players?

1) I'm better with Renata based on consistency and breadth of pushes. No bad feels there anymore today. Winston is more a weird gut feeling, not really aligning with posts he's made. Same thing with Monty, really, except that I have a thought and sometimes Monty says something that is the exact opposite of where my head goes, if we're talking mechanics and reads. But that might be more temperament. I need to read more specifically on what he has said since I was itt last night.

2) Atheotes hasn't done much that makes me go, "Look, there's a townie town." Just kind of hereabouts. I asked Renata because I was trying to sift reads and wanted to see how she responded to that, but I called it a night soon after and didn't make it back to see what kind of reply she gave. Hope she did.

3) I asked Visor for a read on GH because I hadn't noticed him saying much that direction. Reply from him was... unwilling, noncommittal. Didn't care for it.

[Zack]

I'm not going to stop you, but I'm much more comfortable backseat gaming right now. For one thing ,the only reason I'm even here right now is because my son is sick -- I was planning to go out this afternoon and am definitely going to be out this time two days from now. My husband is talking about Christmas shopping right now even at that.

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?
just shop on amazon, if you have prime i'm pretty sure they're giving free one-day shipping around this time of year (i know i had that option even though normally only 2-day shipping would be free)

[Schema]

I don't have enough experience with him to say really, but i haven't read him either way and i don't feel like i can trust him.

Based on any evidence, or feels?

[Sooh]

Unvote
Unvote

Vote: Cass
Vote: Sooh

[Cuthillius]

Based on any evidence, or feels?

again, no read

so basically the whole feels thing, yes?

[Zack]

love the flavor pizza

[Cass_]

cass i feel like you are always making long posts that are talking about "old" stuff

i don't think it's really alignment-indicative but i thought it was interesting, i'm pretty sure it's just a playstyle quirk

It is/I feel the same way and it's frustrating as hell. I find it hard to have a structured approach to solving, I start looking into one thing and get sidetracked into a million others trying to decide if my original thought was right or wrong.

I've asked for updates on game state/votes etc.

What new stuff is most relevant right now?

I've got maybe half hour before everyone wakes up.


Are you caught up?

Currently the rep for Div 3?

[Monstrdude]

love the flavor pizza

+1000

[Zack]

It is/I feel the same way and it's frustrating as hell. I find it hard to have a structured approach to solving, I start looking into one thing and get sidetracked into a million others trying to decide if my original thought was right or wrong.

I've asked for updates on game state/votes etc.

What new stuff is most relevant right now?

I've got maybe half hour before everyone wakes up.


Are you caught up?

Currently the rep for Div 3?

i dunno read the update pizza just posted lol

[Sooh]

Unvote

Vote: Atheotes

[Cuthillius]

love the flavor pizza

+ 1

[Zack]

Unvote

Vote: Atheotes

but why?

[Cass_]

District Three
With several constituents not responding to pollsters, the race for district three is too close to call. Some people seem to support Cass, although she has yet to even accept the nomination to run for the district and is apparently unaware she's in the running. Noted four-star General Cornelius P. Hankerchief has announced his candidacy, and has even managed to win the support of his own campaign manager. Meanwhile, at Zack headquarters, the candidate sits alone in an unlit office with no electricity, heat, or running water, dreaming of at least being elected Chancellor. If Cass is elected, she promises to decide on a campaign platform. If GeneralHankerchief is elected, he promises to get at least five stars at his pirate-themed restaurant, noted for its ornate pocket squares. If Zack is elected, he promises to be even more Zack-like. It's unclear who the lynchee will be in this race.

Chancellor race
Cass: 7/21
Visor, Zack: 4/21
GH, El Barto, Winston, Sooh: 1/21

At Cass headquarters, supporters are cheering due to their lead in the polls. Supporters intend to inform Cass that she's about to be elected Chancellor anytime now, as she is blissfully unaware and still hasn't announced that she was even a candidate. She's in for a big surprise. Meanwhile, Visor and Zack are splitting the left wing vote, causing problems between the Judean people's front and the People's front of Judea, not to mention the Popular Front of Judea (Sooh). At the third party debates, El Barto promises to dismantle the entire federal structure and replace it with kitteh pictures.


ILY Pizza :D

FTR, I get the feels I'm partly being pushed up as Chancellor simply because I can't make decisions and will probably get stuck on something like colours for my campaign platform :D >.<

Lucky I work hard when choices are limited :D

[Cuthillius]

but why?

nobody expects the spanish inquisition

[Sooh]

but why?
Because I don't see the TOAN that you do. I see that he gave a number of easy FOSes to start of the game, and the rest of his ISO was underwhelming IMO. Couple that with TMI digs and PR fishing, and there you go.

[Cuthillius]

ILY Pizza :D

FTR, I get the feels I'm partly being pushed up as Chancellor simply because I can't make decisions and will probably get stuck on something like colours for my campaign platform :D >.<

Lucky I work hard when choices are limited :D

this is why i'm voting for zack

[Cass_]

1) I'm better with Renata based on consistency and breadth of pushes. No bad feels there anymore today. Winston is more a weird gut feeling, not really aligning with posts he's made. Same thing with Monty, really, except that I have a thought and sometimes Monty says something that is the exact opposite of where my head goes, if we're talking mechanics and reads. But that might be more temperament. I need to read more specifically on what he has said since I was itt last night.

2) Atheotes hasn't done much that makes me go, "Look, there's a townie town." Just kind of hereabouts. I asked Renata because I was trying to sift reads and wanted to see how she responded to that, but I called it a night soon after and didn't make it back to see what kind of reply she gave. Hope she did.

3) I asked Visor for a read on GH because I hadn't noticed him saying much that direction. Reply from him was... unwilling, noncommittal. Didn't care for it.

KK ta

What's your read on GH?

[Zack]

Because I don't see the TOAN that you do. I see that he gave a number of easy FOSes to start of the game, and the rest of his ISO was underwhelming IMO. Couple that with TMI digs and PR fishing, and there you go.

have you played with atheotes before?

[Sooh]

have you played with atheotes before?

A couple of times. Can't really remember meta.

[Cass_]

this is why i'm voting for zack

And I don't hate that, except if Zack is scum.

Also, you mentioned that earlier but with the reasoning that you didn't think I'd be around enough? You do realise Chancellors role is redrawing districts and breaking ties?

[Cass_]

Unvote
Unvote

Vote: Cass
Vote: Sooh

Thought process?

[Csargo]

Entire Csargo ISO

This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.

Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

I would probably post more if it was possible for me to keep up with this game, and not have to spend most of my time reading the thread. I feel like a thousand posts is a lot for day 1.

I thought they were town enough in my opinion for day one. I was going to vote BSmith, but he hadn't shown up yet.

Same reason as above, and to avoid a Zack/Visor Chancellor. Mostly the latter though if I'm honest...

[Dp101]

would you be willing to vote renata

She would not be able to win, so no.

[Zack]

i think his toan here is good for him

idk quite how to explain it

but when he is scum he is very agenda-driven whereas here he feels transparent and genuine

at least that's my impression of his play

[Sooh]

Thought process?

There's no way I'll be chancellor, I trust you to be chancellor.

I don't know who else in our group to trust, therefore I vote myself for now.

[Zack]

I would probably post more if it was possible for me to keep up with this game, and not have to spend most of my time reading the thread. I feel like a thousand posts is a lot for day 1.

I thought they were town enough in my opinion for day one. I was going to vote BSmith, but he hadn't shown up yet.

Same reason as above, and to avoid a Zack/Visor Chancellor. Mostly the latter though if I'm honest...

:furious3:

[Monstrdude]

vote: monstrbro

Look at me! I matter!

If elected I promise to take no prisoners and give no quarter, except for people that surrender or anyone who wants to do laundry

[Cuthillius]

And I don't hate that, except if Zack is scum.

Also, you mentioned that earlier but with the reasoning that you didn't think I'd be around enough? You do realise Chancellors role is redrawing districts and breaking ties?

you are australian, 11:30 pst is... a bad time of day

i would assume even for you

and i would like you to be around as much as possible at swing points

[Cass_]

I would probably post more if it was possible for me to keep up with this game, and not have to spend most of my time reading the thread. I feel like a thousand posts is a lot for day 1.

I thought they were town enough in my opinion for day one. I was going to vote BSmith, but he hadn't shown up yet.

Same reason as above, and to avoid a Zack/Visor Chancellor. Mostly the latter though if I'm honest...

I totally understand the first part. I signed up cos this was promised as low volume >.<

Game wise though:

What made Monty and Winston Towny?

What do you make of Monty's 'case' on Visor?

What don't you like about Zack/Visor?

[Dp101]

Paranoia right now says that a Renata-Cuth scumteam jumped on Choxorn as an easy lynch when Cuth was being pressured. Look there next if Chox is town.

[Cuthillius]

you are australian, 11:30 pst is... a bad time of day

i would assume even for you

and i would like you to be around as much as possible at swing points

you being the chancellor in the last case

[Cuthillius]

Paranoia right now says that a Renata-Cuth scumteam jumped on Choxorn as an easy lynch when Cuth was being pressured. Look there next if Chox is town.

???????????????????

?????????????????

[Csargo]

:furious3:

:clown:

[Cuthillius]

Paranoia right now says that a Renata-Cuth scumteam jumped on Choxorn as an easy lynch when Cuth was being pressured. Look there next if Chox is town.

like literally

??????????????????????????????????????

[Cass_]

you are australian, 11:30 pst is... a bad time of day

i would assume even for you

and i would like you to be around as much as possible at swing points

If you mean the EoD time, yup, it's awful. Unless I'm at work and just happen to not have a job then/coming in at that point.

[Dp101]

???????????????????

?????????????????

I did not claim that my paranoia generally makes sense.

[Monstrdude]

Paranoia right now says that a Renata-Cuth scumteam jumped on Choxorn as an easy lynch when Cuth was being pressured. Look there next if Chox is town.

I don't think cuth is a wolf

Renata idk I was pretty sure she was town but there have been MOMENTS OF CONCERN. I think you're a villager still so noted

[Sooh]

i think his toan here is good for him

idk quite how to explain it

but when he is scum he is very agenda-driven whereas here he feels transparent and genuine

at least that's my impression of his play

It's just that I felt, maybe in particular because I have a PR, that when he asked Monty about PRs it was all fishing and agenda driven. Same when he pushed Renata to start off about her DP vote I believe.

Idk, vote isn't set in stone, but that's where I'm at, and that's why I'm there.

[Cuthillius]

I did not claim that my paranoia generally makes sense.

uh

no like

can you explain how that is the case at all

and why you are talking about chox being lynched

and why you are talking about the two of us going after anyone together, let alone chox

[Monstrdude]

I totally understand the first part. I signed up cos this was promised as low volume >.<

Game wise though:

What made Monty and Winston Towny?

What do you make of Monty's 'case' on Visor?

What don't you like about Zack/Visor?

Sorry that I ruined it for you

[Sooh]

i think his toan here is good for him

idk quite how to explain it

but when he is scum he is very agenda-driven whereas here he feels transparent and genuine

at least that's my impression of his play

This post kind of makes me feel better about you though. Feels like you're just sharing thoughts, which is nice.

[Cass_]

Vote: Cass
Vote: Renata
Vote: El Barto

[Monstrdude]

I'm not really sorry tho

[Zack]

Sorry that I ruined it for you

monstrman you dog

[Monstrdude]

This post kind of makes me feel better about you though. Feels like you're just sharing thoughts, which is nice.

Ya Zack has been on point this game

[Cuthillius]

cuth
monstr
schema
zack
cass
dp101? does he ever say that as scum?

malevolent evil people going to kill us

[Monstrdude]

monstrman you dog

I am a dog

I'm everyone's best friend and shiny things and squirrels are way likely to catch my attention

[Cuthillius]

cuth
monstr
schema
zack
cass
dp101? does he ever say that as scum?

malevolent evil people going to kill us

not completely in order

[Dp101]

uh

no like

can you explain how that is the case at all

and why you are talking about chox being lynched

and why you are talking about the two of us going after anyone together, let alone chox

Lots of people were stating your tone was weird and generally casting shade on you. Chox shows up, and Renata starts trying to convince people to vote him, citing how you were probably going down as a villager. But again, this is just paranoia for now, notice that my vote is not on you ATM.

[Monstrdude]

not completely in order

It never is but :thumbsup:

[Cass_]

There's no way I'll be chancellor, I trust you to be chancellor.

I don't know who else in our group to trust, therefore I vote myself for now.

To vote who?

Atheotes?


If so I struggle with this since I/others townread him for now and you vote me for Chancellor. Doesn't seem to match up?

[Cuthillius]

Lots of people were stating your tone was weird and generally casting shade on you. Chox shows up, and Renata starts trying to convince people to vote him, citing how you were probably going down as a villager. But again, this is just paranoia for now, notice that my vote is not on you ATM.

can you illustrate this idea with posts

like show me a few of the actual posts that would support this

because i'm still not seeing it

[Renata]

???????????????????

?????????????????

Shrug.

[Cuthillius]

monstr what are your warmish takes on the game rn

also ion i probs won't be around for eod

[Sooh]

To vote who?

Atheotes?


If so I struggle with this since I/others townread him for now and you vote me for Chancellor. Doesn't seem to match up?
I don't need you to agree with me on scum. I just need to have someone I believe is town on top. I might be wrong, you might be wrong. It's a guessing game, and I don't expect a townie who is elected chancellor to have all great reads, especially not on D1.

We have an hour to talk about your scum reads if you want to.

[Cuthillius]

Shrug.

renata do you want dp to end up as rep

if so vote him

if not either vote yourself or myself

we only have like an hour left and i'm going to leave soonish

[Monstrdude]

monstr what are your warmish takes on the game rn

also ion i probs won't be around for eod

Winston potential scum

I'd say at least 2 wolf members are doing ~nothing

Thread is too chaotic to make sense of while I'm still in it and I want to see someone die already so I can have more complete information

[Cuthillius]

yeah sooh's probably scum

i don't suppose i could convince you to claim your actual role, sooh

[Zack]

it bothers me a little that renata isn't really considering herself for any position when i'd think she would be a pretty good candidate

[Cuthillius]

Winston potential scum

I'd say at least 2 wolf members are doing ~nothing

Thread is too chaotic to make sense of while I'm still in it and I want to see someone die already so I can have more complete information

makes sense

[Cuthillius]

it bothers me a little that renata isn't really considering herself for any position when i'd think she would be a pretty good candidate

she said something about wanting to hang back and be busy irl

[Dp101]

Sorry Cuth, I have to go soon too and am on mobile anyway, so posts will probably be shown tomorrow if we are both still alive.

[Renata]

Lots of people were stating your tone was weird and generally casting shade on you. Chox shows up, and Renata starts trying to convince people to vote him, citing how you were probably going down as a villager. But again, this is just paranoia for now, notice that my vote is not on you ATM.

Actually that's not true. I never cited Cuthilius as a villager. IIRC my first read of him was as null, then shaded more negative after Winston did his iso. Whatever you're looking at here, you're probably misremembering or misreading something. I mean, I'm currently trying to get Cuth OUT of the top slot for rep, so what are you even talking about?

[Sooh]

yeah sooh's probably scum

i don't suppose i could convince you to claim your actual role, sooh

I could. Would rather not, but I could.

[Cass_]

It's just that I felt, maybe in particular because I have a PR, that when he asked Monty about PRs it was all fishing and agenda driven. Same when he pushed Renata to start off about her DP vote I believe.

Idk, vote isn't set in stone, but that's where I'm at, and that's why I'm there.

It's possible.
I had the same thought about Renata's/Jabbz's vote on DP, thought the push there was Towny but IIRC it did come after my comments. Don't think Atheotes commented on Jabbz doing the same thing so WW there is possible especially if Renata is Town.

The rolefishing thing I put less stock in. That's something I think wolves push as a thing as opposed to really use as a thing. How many Town PRs actually bite that sort of bait?

[Schema]

To vote who?

Atheotes?


If so I struggle with this since I/others townread him for now and you vote me for Chancellor. Doesn't seem to match up?

Forgive me if this has been covered, but I'm townreading Sooh and now I'm interested in why you are townreading atheotes. What town motives do you see in their play?

[Renata]

it bothers me a little that renata isn't really considering herself for any position when i'd think she would be a pretty good candidate


After the wreck I made of LYLO last game you really believe that?

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: BSmith ~:wave:

Sorry for my absence - busy weekend, when I was barely able to peek out at the thread. And now I have to work, so I'm giving up on my catch up effort. Voting now based on the 200+ posts I was able to read so far. See you all tomorrow, maybe.

Vote: Cass_
Vote: Zack

[Csargo]

I totally understand the first part. I signed up cos this was promised as low volume >.<

Game wise though:

What made Monty and Winston Towny?

What do you make of Monty's 'case' on Visor?

What don't you like about Zack/Visor?

Why haven't you voted at all? The deadline is soon, so you probably should. Just saying.

I'm not going back to find it, but Visor doesn't strike me as scummy compared to the other times I've played with Visor. Most cases at this point are feelers in the dark really...

I'd just prefer them not to be Chancellor is all, both seem to be town to me from previous experiences with them.

It's early on in the game, so I'm just winging it really.

[Sooh]

It's possible.
I had the same thought about Renata's/Jabbz's vote on DP, thought the push there was Towny but IIRC it did come after my comments. Don't think Atheotes commented on Jabbz doing the same thing so WW there is possible especially if Renata is Town.

The rolefishing thing I put less stock in. That's something I think wolves push as a thing as opposed to really use as a thing. How many Town PRs actually bite that sort of bait?

I don't know, but it read awkward, and the logic of

knows there are PRs in the game

must be scum because TMI

is lost on me.

[Cuthillius]

i'm surprised that dp is self confident enough to vote himself there

[Dp101]

Ok last thing before I go, Jabbz is town, do not lynch him.

[Schema]

Me for now. Feel like he's pulling trains of thought out of my head throughout, and he's seemed questioning/solvey.

Never mind got this.

Which trains of his have you liked, then?

[Cuthillius]

Ok last thing before I go, Jabbz is town, do not lynch him.

whatever alignment dp is

jabbz is town to the best of his knowledge

[Zack]

After the wreck I made of LYLO last game you really believe that?

i know this is rhetorical but yes ldo

[Monstrdude]

whatever alignment dp is

jabbz is town to the best of his knowledge

:thumbsup:

[Zack]

whatever alignment dp is

jabbz is town to the best of his knowledge

what is the point of this comment?

[atheotes]

You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?

There was not a whole lot to elaborate on.
I generally ignore El barto as weird and leave him alone. But off late i have seen him do townie stuff when town. Here, he has not done anything. and i got burned for ignoring him when he was this way in the previous game. so it is probably a biased read.

[Monstrdude]

I don't like this thumb emoji and saying "seconded" has become tired

So instead I will say

I agree, yes it appears to me that your assessment is correct, cuth

[Renata]

All right, I'm headed out to buy a camera. District is a mess, but I don't know what to do about it. I'm voting choxorn, so if you think that's a good lynch candidate to put up against Cuthilius (probably) from Visor, vote me for representative. Otherwise, do whatever.

[Cuthillius]

what is the point of this comment?

if dp scum jabbz still town

[Monstrdude]

what is the point of this comment?

If dp is scum Jabbz is town

If dp is town it might be meaningless but I mean, it's information to take into account either way

[Renata]

i know this is rhetorical but yes ldo

Thank you Zack that's very kind.

See you all tomorrow, anyone who's alive.

[atheotes]

possibly, but that is not a guarantee

if not Visor, who else?

[Zack]

cool beans

[Schema]

Maaaaaaan.

Vote: Renata


Does ANYONE have thoughts about General Hank this game? Experience playing with him, how he acts D1, etc?

[Cuthillius]

if not Visor, who else?

hmmmm

well right now i'm voting sooh, so maybe that

[atheotes]

hmmmm

well right now i'm voting sooh, so maybe that

Why would you want to lynch a claimed PR?

[Monstrdude]

Maaaaaaan.

Vote: Renata


Does ANYONE have thoughts about General Hank this game? Experience playing with him, how he acts D1, etc?

No clue really

I'll iso him and get back to you

Never played with him before (maybe once? Don't remember)

[Schema]

hmmmm

well right now i'm voting sooh, so maybe that

Even with Visor's mega push on Sooh?

Thoughts on that?

[Sooh]

There was not a whole lot to elaborate on.
I generally ignore El barto as weird and leave him alone. But off late i have seen him do townie stuff when town. Here, he has not done anything. and i got burned for ignoring him when he was this way in the previous game. so it is probably a biased read.

Cool, so two were in there for not doing anything, while several other players had one post.

[Cuthillius]

Why would you want to lynch a claimed PR?

because she's not claiming her role, because that's a very easy thing for scum to do, because her other behavior is also rather scummy, and because people talked about her a lot today

[Monstrdude]

I'll try letting other people post a bunch tomorrow and see how that goes

[Cass_]

Aaaaaaaaaannnd baby is awake/I'm out.

Thoughts on District Divisions and who/where appreciated just in case.

GLGL

[Cuthillius]

Even with Visor's mega push on Sooh?

Thoughts on that?

meh

rn i think sooh is scummy

will reevaluate after sooh flip

[Cuthillius]

I'll try letting other people post a bunch tomorrow and see how that goes

lol gl with that

[Monstrdude]

Let me elaborate on this, Zack's been taking a pretty common-sense "we want townies as district representatives/idk what my plan is going to be, a lot of it will be depending on the game flow" tactic when questioned about his strategy, which is exactly what I'd expect from town Zack in a position of power.

This post was a little wolfy because it seems like a "I need to say Zack is town now" post I can't really explain it better than that

[Sooh]

meh

rn i think sooh is scummy

will reevaluate after sooh flipSo you're saying you'll tunnel me until I die?

[Schema]

meh

rn i think sooh is scummy

will reevaluate after sooh flip

What do you make of Atheotes? Thought-out read please.

[Cuthillius]

So you're saying you'll tunnel me until I die?

i'm saying i'm aiming for your lynch today

[Cuthillius]

What do you make of Atheotes? Thought-out read please.

not much to say, he normally plays like this, does not read scum or town

[atheotes]

I don't know, but it read awkward, and the logic of

knows there are PRs in the game

must be scum because TMI

is lost on me.

Why? it is fairly straight forward if you look at it from vt point of view.
I have no idea if there are PRs in the game. Scum can guess if there are town PRs.
Monty tries to explain things using a PR. ergo my suspicion.

[Sooh]

Why? it is fairly straight forward if you look at it from vt point of view.
I have no idea if there are PRs in the game. Scum can guess if there are town PRs.
Monty tries to explain things using a PR. ergo my suspicion.

So why is the leap that when he knows there are PRs he must be scum? He could just as likely be town PR, or even just guessing. Also fairly straight forward thoughts btw.

[Cuthillius]

oi whoever is chancellor please draw me up a better district kthxbye

[Schema]

not much to say, he normally plays like this, does not read scum or town

Considering he's Sooh's vote there's plenty to say. You're voting Sooh.

I also noticed reluctance on Atheotes' side to read you.

[BSmith]

yeah, not keeping up today at all. :shame:


I will give unvote; vote: Visor a chance to test the double vote claim. (at least I think that is still a thing?)

[Cuthillius]

Considering he's Sooh's vote there's plenty to say. You're voting Sooh.

I also noticed reluctance on Atheotes' side to read you.

it's d1

there's not much to say

i don't know anyone's alignments

i can have suspicions or potential things

but they're really not worth anything in this case at this point

[atheotes]

So why is the leap that when he knows there are PRs he must be scum? He could just as likely be town PR, or even just guessing. Also fairly straight forward thoughts btw.

yeah...theoretically it is possible he could be town PR or guessing. but i did not get that feeling.

[Schema]

So yolo it pains me.

Vote: General Hank

[atheotes]

Considering he's Sooh's vote there's plenty to say. You're voting Sooh.

I also noticed reluctance on Atheotes' side to read you.

:inquisitive: What do you mean? I am pretty sure i iso'd him and gave my opinion.

[Schema]

Presents to wrap but I'm watching EOD. Glgl.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Person- District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema- Renata/ Cass/ GH
Cuthillius- Cuth/ Zack/ Visor
Renata- dp101/ Cass/ Choxorn
Choxorn- Cuth/ Zack/ ---
Dp101- dp101/ GH/ choxorn
Jabbz- dp101/ Cass/ Zack
Dicetosser1- Dice/ Cass/ Monty

Winston- Visor/ Cass/ El Barto
Bsmith- Visor/ Visor/ Al Sips
Visor- Visor/ Visor/ Cuthillius
Csargo- Winston/ Cass/ Sooh
Riedquat- Visor/ Visor/ Visor
El Barto- El Barto/ El Barto/ Winston
Monstrbro- Visor/ Monstr/ Winston

Montmorency- GH/ Cass/ Visor
Al Sipsclar- Zack/ Cass/ Bsmith
Sooh- Sooh/ Cass/ atheotes
Cass_- Cass/ Renata/ El Barto
Generalhank- GH/ Zack/ Sooh
Zack- Zack/ Zack/ Jabbz
Atheotes- Cass/ Winston/ choxorn

Current tally with roughly 21 minutes left to go. Any corrections?

[Schema]

I did not see anything alignment indicative from Cuth.

He said much the same about you.

Just funny to note. I'll look more into this in night phase though.

[atheotes]

Vote: El Barto

[Monstrdude]

Person- District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema- Renata/ Cass/ GH
Cuthillius- Cuth/ Zack/ Visor
Renata- dp101/ Cass/ Choxorn
Choxorn- Cuth/ Zack/ ---
Dp101- dp101/ GH/ choxorn
Jabbz- dp101/ Cass/ Zack
Dicetosser1- Dice/ Cass/ Monty

Winston- Visor/ Cass/ El Barto
Bsmith- Visor/ Visor/ Al Sips
Visor- Visor/ Visor/ Cuthillius
Csargo- Winston/ Cass/ Sooh
Riedquat- Visor/ Visor/ Visor
El Barto- El Barto/ El Barto/ Winston
Monstrbro- Visor/ Monstr/ Winston

Montmorency- GH/ Cass/ Visor
Al Sipsclar- Zack/ Cass/ Bsmith
Sooh- Sooh/ Cass/ atheotes
Cass_- Cass/ Renata/ El Barto
Generalhank- GH/ Zack/ Sooh
Zack- Zack/ Zack/ Jabbz
Atheotes- Cass/ Winston/ choxorn

Current tally with roughly 21 minutes left to go. Any corrections?

All my votes are me now

[Monstrdude]

All my votes are me now

Er except still winston

[atheotes]

He said much the same about you.

Just funny to note. I'll look more into this in night phase though.

sure. I think i said the same about you as well. and a few other ppl.

[Monstrdude]

Cuth is gonna be lynched

#democracy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Monstrbro- Monstr Monstr Winston

Is this correct?

[Sooh]

Unvote

Vote: Zack

[Monstrdude]

Monstrbro- Monstr Monstr Winston

Is this correct?

Yes

[atheotes]

i can influence the lynch! i can force Cass to choose between Cuth, Choxorn, Sooh and Jabbz.
But i dont want to lynch Jabbz or Sooh. hmm..

[atheotes]

Unvote

Vote: Zack

thats wicked!

[atheotes]

What happens if Reps are tied on votes?

[Cuthillius]

Person- District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema- Renata/ Cass/ GH
Cuthillius- Cuth/ Zack/ Visor
Renata- dp101/ Cass/ Choxorn
Choxorn- Cuth/ Zack/ ---
Dp101- dp101/ GH/ choxorn
Jabbz- dp101/ Cass/ Zack
Dicetosser1- Dice/ Cass/ Monty

Winston- Visor/ Cass/ El Barto
Bsmith- Visor/ Visor/ Al Sips
Visor- Visor/ Visor/ Cuthillius
Csargo- Winston/ Cass/ Sooh
Riedquat- Visor/ Visor/ Visor
El Barto- El Barto/ El Barto/ Winston
Monstrbro- Visor/ Monstr/ Winston

Montmorency- GH/ Cass/ Visor
Al Sipsclar- Zack/ Cass/ Bsmith
Sooh- Sooh/ Cass/ atheotes
Cass_- Cass/ Renata/ El Barto
Generalhank- GH/ Zack/ Sooh
Zack- Zack/ Zack/ Jabbz
Atheotes- Cass/ Winston/ choxorn

Current tally with roughly 21 minutes left to go. Any corrections?

I'm voting sooh rn

[atheotes]

Cass, please choose between Choxorn and Cuth

[Sooh]

thats wicked!

Oh hm. I didn't realize I tied Cass and Zack. I was thinking Cass would be Chancellor so she couldn't be rep, no?

[Cuthillius]

Person- District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema- Renata/ Cass/ GH (1)
Cuthillius- Cuth/ Zack/ Sooh (3)
Renata- dp101/ Cass/ Choxorn (2)
Choxorn- Cuth/ Zack/ ---
Dp101- dp101/ GH/ choxorn (2)
Jabbz- dp101/ Cass/ Zack (1)
Dicetosser1- Dice/ Cass/ Monty (1)

Winston- Visor/ Cass/ El Barto (3)
Bsmith- Visor/ Visor/ Al Sips (1)
Visor- Visor/ Visor/ Cuthillius (1)
Csargo- Winston/ Cass/ Sooh (2)
Riedquat- Visor/ Visor/ Visor (2)
El Barto- El Barto/ El Barto/ Winston (2)
Monstrbro- Visor/ Monstr/ Winston(2)

Montmorency- GH/ Cass/ Visor (2)
Al Sipsclar- Zack/ Cass/ Bsmith (1)
Sooh- Sooh/ Cass/ atheotes (1)
Cass_- Cass/ Renata/ El Barto (3)
Generalhank- GH/ Zack/ Sooh (3)
Zack- Zack/ Zack/ Jabbz (2)
Atheotes- Cass/ Winston/ el barto (3)

Current tally with roughly 21 minutes left to go. Any corrections?

tied sooh and el barto afaict

[Cuthillius]

@monstr please vote sooh

[Cuthillius]

how do people itt right now feel about barto

i'd like us to consolidate

[atheotes]

Oh hm. I didn't realize I tied Cass and Zack. I was thinking Cass would be Chancellor so she couldn't be rep, no?

I think you put Zack in the lead. I was told Cass would be Rep and Chancellor. Dont know if it is true.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm voting sooh rn

fixed in notes

[Sooh]

Hardclaim: Town Watcher

[Monstrdude]

how do people itt right now feel about barto

i'd like us to consolidate

All of my meh but not enough time to iso probably

[Monstrdude]

Hardclaim: Town Watcher

She's watches people

at night

[Sooh]

I think you put Zack in the lead. I was told Cass would be Rep and Chancellor. Dont know if it is true.
She can be both?

Idk what to do now.

[atheotes]

tied sooh and el barto afaict

:dizzy2: what? only the Reps vote will be counted.

[Choxorn]

Vote: BSmith ~:wave:

Sorry for my absence - busy weekend, when I was barely able to peek out at the thread. And now I have to work, so I'm giving up on my catch up effort. Voting now based on the 200+ posts I was able to read so far. See you all tomorrow, maybe.

Vote: Cass_
Vote: Zack

Why BSmith? I know you haven't read much, but you have to give better reasons than that.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Cuthillius]

:dizzy2: what? only the Reps vote will be counted.

either way

[Monstrdude]

Why BSmith? I know you haven't read much, but you have to give better reasons than that.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

You have nothing else to say about the thread?

[atheotes]

She can be both?

Idk what to do now.

Vote Cass, you already trust her to be the Chancellor. Why not the rep as well?

[Cuthillius]

schema

vote me as rep

or someone else

but renata ain't going to be rep

so

ball in your court

please consider fast

[Sooh]

Unvote

Vote: Cass

[Askthepizzaguy]

:30 legal votes

:31 won't count

Stop posting before :32 please.

[Choxorn]

You have nothing else to say about the thread?

I have other things to say, but not the time to say them before the deadline.

[Cuthillius]

this'll be fun

[Sooh]

Unvote

Vote: Cass

Listening to my scum read.

*rolls eyes*

[Monstrdude]

Glgl I believe in us

[Cuthillius]

Glgl I believe in us

you obv have more faith in mankind than i do

[Monstrdude]

I have other things to say, but not the time to say them before the deadline.

Glgl

[Monstrdude]

you obv have more faith in mankind than i do

If I believe we will win hard enough we have to

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stop voting now.

Tallying...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:32 now,

No more posting please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If my initial tally is correct, there will be a lynch tie, and the Chancellor will have to decide it.

Therefore, I'll double check it, and you folks shouldn't wait up. It could be a while before I have a decision.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema Renata Cass GH
Cuthillius Cuth Zack Sooh
Renata dp101 Cass Choxorn
Choxorn Cuth Zack Al Sipsclar
Dp101 dp101 GH choxorn
Jabbz dp101 Cass Zack
Dicetosser1 Dice Cass Monty

Winston Visor Cass El Barto
Bsmith Visor Visor Al Sips
Visor Visor Visor Cuthillius
Csargo Winston Cass Sooh
Riedquat Visor Visor Visor
El Barto El Barto El Barto Winston
Monstrbro Monstr Monstr Winston

Montmorency GH Cass Visor
Al Sipsclar Zack Cass Bsmith
Sooh Cass Cass atheotes
Cass_ Cass Renata El Barto
Generalhank GH Zack Sooh
Zack Zack Zack Jabbz
Atheotes Cass Winston El barto


District Representative:
Dp101: Representative for District 1 (3/7 votes, winner)
Visor: Representative for District 2 (4/7 votes, winner)
Cass: Representative for District 3 (3/7 votes, winner)

Chancellor: Cass (9/21 votes, winner)
Zack: 4
Visor: 3

Lynch vote: Tie.
Dp votes for Choxorn
Visor votes for Cuthillius
Cass votes for El Barto
choxorn-Cuth-ElBarto tied.

Pop vote:
El Barto: 3
Sooh: 3
choxorn: 2
Al Sips: 2
Visor: 2
Winston: 2
Zack: 1
Monty: 1
GH: 1
Cuth: 1
Bsmith: 1
atheotes: 1
Jabbz: 1

Cass, in her position as chancellor, decides tie.
She can lynch her own suspect, El Barto, or lynch choxorn or Cuth. It’s up to her. But it must be between those three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will now go back and thoroughly double check each person one by one. If you spot an error, PM me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Verified Lynch Votes

Vote: Choxorn

Vote: Cuthillius

Vote: El Barto

Chancellor election not close, gonna accept the results for now.

Looking at Reps just in case.

[Askthepizzaguy]

November 8th, 2016
Election Night




District One

In a surprising upset victory, dp101 was elected to serve as the Representative of District One, narrowly defeating the early favorite Cuthillius. While not a landslide victory, and with most of the voters having voted against him, dp101 promised to do his best to represent ALL of the voters in district 1.

He gave a speech talking about togetherness, and unity, and other synonyms you'd find in a thesaurus, but he did little to reach out to the under-represented "Choxorn should live" demographic, mostly made up of choxorn himself. When asked for comment, choxorn noted that he felt like the new Representative didn't represent his interests very well, and took severe exception to dp101's campaign promise to string him up by his own zombified intestines. The harsh campaign rhetoric left choxorn chilled to the bone, cold to the touch, and in a corpse-like trance.

Dp101, eager to unite the people of his district, offered to take choxorn out for some McDonald's, and even offered to share his fries, but ultimately, the candidate failed to convince choxorn of the greater good of the "lynch choxorn" policy position. Political commentators noted that the choxorn voting bloc would have been a difficult sell to begin with. Quite the uphill battle indeed. Now it was up to dp101 to convince the newly elected Chancellor of his choxorn-killing platform.

District Two

Meanwhile, at Visor campaign headquarters, the candidate was seen throwing more shrimp on the barbie, drinking Foster's, and eating a Vegemite sandwich, while riding a kangaroo who was also surfing. In the middle of the desert. Mate.

He was interrupted by a wallaby who was petitioning the government for the right to marry a koala while carrying a gun. Visor promised to look into it, citing the recent Supreme Court decision Knife v Notaknife, believing it was possible for him to press the matter through the courts, if not through the legislature.

Just then, an aide pulled up in a Subaru Outback filled with puppies, and told Visor to put down the sandwich and hear the good news. It seemed that Visor had won the race for representative for District Two, in a clear majority victory. Visor soon gave a speech promising to rid the world of people who look like Cuthillius, sound like Cuthillius, and have a name spelled exactly like Cuthillius. Cuthillius could not be reached for comment, but Visor took the opportunity to speak to him specifically. "Cuthillius" Visor began, "it's nothing against you in particular, friend. I just have a certain set of principles and I am entitled to my beliefs. It just so happens they all line up against the continued existence of you and people who are nobody else but you. I'm sure you understand."

Those in the audience cheered for their Representative's platform. It must have been the puppies.

District Three

Supporters gathered in a large gymnasium to hear that Cass_ had been narrowly elected to represent District Three. They erupted in wild applause. Zack and GH stood outside, bickering between themselves, each referring to the others' supporters as a bunch of "splitters". Many inside the gymnasium gave victory speeches on Cass' behalf, and promised that soon enough, they would finally inform Cass of their decision to force her to run for office.

But not yet, because it was an extra a-special secret ballot and they didn't want anyone to know what the result was, even the candidate.

Democracy works in mysterious ways.

Very hush hush.

Illuminati confirmed?





much later....





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New York State
NYuk, NYuk, NYuk


All across the city, on bilboards, on the sides of buildings, on rooftops, and even written in the sky with a complicated fireworks display, and in holograms that appeared in the middle of traffic for some reason causing many multi-vehicle accidents, the Cass Campaign had successfully flooded the market with stories of a candidate who would bring hope and change. As far as they eye could see, the campaign had left its mark, like graffiti. In fact, it was written in graffiti as well. Then covered up with posters. Then the posters were covered in bumper stickers. Then the bumper stickers were covered in buttons. And then the buttons were covered in stickers. Everywhere, the candidate's face, name, and slogan could be found. It was impossible to get away from it all. Even people who didn't vote for Cass were covered from head to toe in "I voted for Cass" stickers.



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The best part about all of this was the fact that the Candidate was nowhere to be found, and no one was entirely sure if anyone had actually let her know that she had just been elected Chancellor. That poor, poor girl. What a rude surprise awaited her. Oh well. The people had spoken. The Secret Service finally located her, threw her in a burlap sack, and flew her to Campaign headquarters to deliver her victory speech. They tossed her on stage and, finally, they let the Cass out of the bag.

She was instantly surrounded by reporters. They started asking her tons of questions. In the newspapers the next day, the candidate was quoted repeating the campaign slogan "Who the heck ARE all of you people?" She then reiterated her campaign promise to "find out what the hell is going on here" and, when asked for a comment about her victory, the honorable Madam Chancellor-Elect was quoted as saying "you people are all seriously messed up in the head".

She gave a very brief victory speech, asking people in the audience for bus fare to the airport, and also, if someone in the audience could possibly loan her the money for a one-way airplane ticket to get home. But then she was whisked away in a motorcade and forced to take the oath of office at the Palace of the Chancellor, because apparently the United States has one of those now. I hear it has a lot of gold, perhaps way too much gold, and also, monogrammed towels. And the Luxor Sky Beam for good measure, why not? I'm sure it doesn't cost that much to relocate it to Washington.




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Lynch incoming....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nov 9th, 2016

The next day, at the victory rally, Madam Chancellor Cass was handed a gun and told to execute whoever she wanted. She began protesting this choice being forced upon her, and declaring how insane and inhumane this entire process was, not to mention a gross violation of the Constitution, several state and federal laws, not to mention international laws against extrajudicial killings. Her supporters cheered for her ever louder, even as she called them all lunatics. Finally, at their insane and relentless urging, she closed her eyes, and reluctantly shot blindly into the crowd of her own supporters.

"I dunno I dunno I dunno... should I kill him or should I kill him? Why is this even a choice? I don't knowwww..... ahhh, all this pressure is on me! It's too much pressure! I can't look!!!"

Cass shot and killed....
choxornwho turned out to be...
a Mafia goon.Proving once again that democracy is the worst form of government
...except all the others that have been tried.
"WHAT!?!?" cried Cass, in shock and disbelief. The crowd began chanting her name again. Cass became dizzy and slumped to the floor, resigned to the madness.

The US Treasury immediately began printing Cass' face on the 1 dollar bill, telling George Washington to "take a hike". The Treasury Secretary was overheard referring to the first President and founding father as "overrated", saying Madam Chancellor Cass was "obviously better".

Night will be extended 24 hours due to the late decision.

It is still night. Do not post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night of the Inauguration

Not everyone was celebrating the election results. It seems that certain fringe groups took exception to the new leadership. They made their presence known, for in front of the Palace of the Chancellor there was a burning effigy hanging by the neck....

Or, wait. That's not an effigy, that's a person! It seems that...

Sooh was killed. Town Watcher.

Still alive:


DISTRICT ONE



Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Dp101
Jabbz
dicetosser1


DISTRICT TWO



Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro


DISTRICT THREE



Montmorency
Al Sipsclar
Cass_ [Still Chancellor]
GeneralHankerchief
Zack
atheotes



Districts do not need to be re-drawn yet.

New district representatives will need to be elected.

No chancellor election.

Today you will be electing district representatives and voting to lynch someone only.

You will need to meet minimum participation requirements if you failed to do so yesterday. No single-posting, in other words.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
@El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=93318)
@Monstrbro (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100476)
@GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
@Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
@Cass_ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100059)
@Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=46115)
@Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
@Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
@Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=59017)
@dicetosser1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100477)
@atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23809)
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
@Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=49887)
@Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100481)
@Schema (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100482)
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432)
@Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12337)
@Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)


IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.

Day lasts 48 hours from the :30 minute mark.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay so when I checked in on Monday a few hours after the lynch I had 13 pages staring at me. So if you ask me for specifics on what happened in the final 24 hours of D1, you're going to be out of luck.

I saw that Renata made a nice point on someone not following a logical train of thought (hell, that might have even been choxorn?) so I like her.

Somebody else had a good argument too that I noticed but I might be imagining things.

Oh also I'm perfectly fine with Cass remaining entrenched in power for as long as possible considering the result yesterday.

Vote: Cass_

[Montmorency]

From yesterday's events we have hard-cleared Renata, Cass, DP101, and (nearly-so) atheotes. They are inarguably the towniest players now.

Let's talk about the Choxorn affair in its sequence:

Early game vote for Zack.


I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!

Vote: Zack

Later entry, with town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH, expressing agreement with Zack on subject of role claims.



I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with. Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:

I also hate generic PR claims and don't see what the point is of soft-claiming and trying to string everyone along unless you have some kind of uber-secret mafia-killing thing of doom going on, and it would be an easy claim to lie about because you're not being specific, and I don't like how she's reacted to pressure, but I also don't think she's scum for it.

No real opinion yet on most people.

Final post for the time, a comment on Jabbz' posting.


You missed my district vote for Cuth.

And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...

Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.

Renata makes her negative assessment of Choxorn's entry (835).

Immediately after, Visor joins in condemning the Choxorn post.


100% agree (not on that necessarily but that chox post is Bad)

A few minutes later, he posts a comprehensive reads/leans list, marking Renata as lock town for her drawing attention to Choxorn, and making his own read on Choxorn as "wolfy". He puts Choxorn as lynch candidate above only Cuthilius and El Barto. One of his reads is a frivolous comment on Riedquat.



Renata - town, last posts solidified that read for me.
Choxorn - wolfy, recent post is a bit of pinger.

Riedquat - needs to post more


Then Visor makes an addendum to his reads post, for little value. With Riedquat having only one post at the time, there was no point in speaking like this of him, giving leans. "Possibly town" on a hunch???

"Need a few flips" to feel comfortable with reads is unimpressive in itself, all the more so when he had no problem with discomfort throughout the day or immediately prior to this post.


Thoughts?

I could potentially slide Cass up a spot I guess, I just need to see some more game related things.

Think Riedquat possibly town on a hunch.

Er, that was supposed to be Dicetosser not Dicktosser SORRY.

Need a few more flips to feel comfortable with the progression of my reads

Atheotes remarks that Renata is trending up for her Choxorn case.

Winston finds Renata's flow towny. Winston responds to one of Choxorn's posts with a complaint.


Of all the things you could have talked about, why did you choose this?

Jabbz responds to Choxorn's lament on textwalls, sticking to his disappointment with Zack.


I tried repeatedly to get these idea's through Zack's head. Using direct quotes. It didn't work. If this doesn't work, that's fine, but I made the effort. Moving on.

Cass' notes on Choxorn's main post~.


#783 Forgot game started, Reads: Zack still looks good, Town Renata, Cuth, GH. Cuth rep for District One. El Barto / Monty impossible to read. Was going to vote Sooh before she claimed PR. Nil scum reads.


Monstrbro thinks Renata is town.


Renata is Probably Town (tm)

Monstrbro comments on Cuth-Chox. Choxorn evaluated overall as barely villagery.


the district vote on cuth seems like it's w/w if choxorn is a wolf but meaningless if villager

Three posts don't seem particularly alignment indicative but if anything I think the way he's approaching certain people like echoing Zack's sentiment just flow really well so if anything I guess lightly villagery but only barely


Atheotes votes Choxorn.

Sooh's attack on atheotes gets well underway. This casts a small shadow over her. Renata, Zack, and others defend atheotes. Cuthilius is willing to vote Renata for rep over DP101 as more reliable or robust (999).

Cuthilius finds Renata's reads on Monstrbro towny (991).

Schema sees Renata trending up and acknowledges Choxorn's posts, asks for meta on him.



I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

Schema takes full scum lean on Visor.


I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.


Cuth speculates on how scumChox votes. Switches back to voting Sooh shortly after.


in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

DP comes in to put himself up for the Rep position and votes Choxorn (1025)

Sooh finally votes atheotes after this, looks to win the position of District Rep (1047).

Schema likes Sooh and doesn't like Atheotes.


Forgive me if this has been covered, but I'm townreading Sooh and now I'm interested in why you are townreading atheotes. What town motives do you see in their play?

Schema votes Renata for rep (1123).

On page 39, Bsmith changes rep vote to Visor ("to test double vote") and Sooh changes rep vote to Zack.

Atheotes petitions Cass on the lynch.


Cass, please choose between Choxorn and Cuth

Sooh hardclaims Watcher (1170).

Chox substantively closes the day by showing up EOD to vote Al Sipsclar, who a bit earlier appeared to make ritual-vote on BSmith and said little else (1175).

All of this looks clearing for DP, Cass, and Renata, and overwhelming in favor of Atheotes on top of previous behavior. But rather than assessing others in relation to them, right now the focus is on how Visor relates to it.


Visor's tone changes notably in his final activity of the day, which comes right after Renata opens the case on Choxorn. His claimed double-vote never manifests. Strikingly, he makes numerous pleas toward prospective Reps to vote Cuth with him. This is striking because even one (of the two other) reps voting with Visor would conceal any double vote effect should it exist, since 2-1 is indistinguishable on our part from 3-1: the result is the same. His calls for consolidation were just meant to erect a front that would give him a pass from putting up.


I'd also like to broach what I was hinting at earlier respecting the claim. Look here at Visor's comment just prior to Chox events that


I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely. It is likely that my vote does not change from Cuthillius, and I would like support from the other likely electors.

This is in other words a statement that he would not use his power on D2, toward the end of avoiding a burnout. I think his statement reflects the broader mechanical truth that Pizza would never grant a player, town or Mafia, an unlimited double vote. It could conceivably be more than a one-shot, but at best it would have an alternate-day effect. Visor was laying ground to avert consequences from future inconsistencies, without admitting details of the power. Since Visor went inactive before EOD, and DP had not voted Choxorn yet, and District 1 was still up in the air between Renata, Cuth, and DP, there is no argument that Visor is cleared by virtue of not taking action to save Choxorn, who anyway was killed by tiebreaker ability.
One of Cuth or Visor must be scum, opposite alignment. Who Cuth is in turn sheds light on Sooh, since Cuth was one of the few to carry a renewed push against Sooh late in the day. There is also a technical scenario in which Visor and Cuth were furiously bussing, and Visor never planned to apply special powers to lynch him. However, most players do not like the strategy of intense bussing from D1, and regardless it does not lessen the need to lynch Visor.

EDIT: Sooh is town, as we now know. Pending...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Feel bad about Sooh taking the hit and from what it looks like not having a good experience with this game, but in terms of the outcome that's a trade I'm pretty happy with.

[Montmorency]

Vote: Visor
Vote: Cass

[Schema]

I'm campaigning for District 1 today.

Vote: Schema

And great call, Cass, choosing Dp's vote. Best choice based on EOD.

[Montmorency]

Why shouldn't hard-cleared DP stay as Rep, Schema?

[Schema]

I'm campaigning for District 1 today.

Vote: Schema

And great call, Cass, choosing Dp's vote. Best choice based on EOD.

OH good grief.

Vote: Schema

[Renata]

Suck it, whoever told me I was wrong about choxorn.

Thank you, dp. <3 Thank you, cass.
Visor, please do let us know the results of your experiment in fancy play. I'm sure you have some, or you wouldn't have done it, right?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why shouldn't hard-cleared DP stay as Rep, Schema?

This is a good question.

I know it kind of goes against the spirit of the game when ATPG clearly wants lots of shifts in power etc. but the events of last day give us a pretty solid town core to entrench.

[Montmorency]

Suck it, whoever told me I was wrong about choxorn.

I am. Plz read big-post.

[Dp101]

Damn, a part of me was hoping that mafia would kill cass and Sooh would be watching them. Anyway, Vote: Dp101

[Schema]

Why shouldn't hard-cleared DP stay as Rep, Schema?

If reps can be reelected, I'm fine with him staying rep. Much rather that, actually.

Voting me anyway for now.

Would like to read your text wall.

[Renata]

Feel bad about Sooh taking the hit and from what it looks like not having a good experience with this game, but in terms of the outcome that's a trade I'm pretty happy with.

I hate losing watcher, that's such a strong role.

[Visor]

'not use my power'

I don't have a power, I lied to get elected.

You'd all find some excuse not to vote me in so I forced yo her hand to do so.

Well done cass.

Monty/cuth look awful. Cuth progression on schema is literally bizarre, will show in a few hours.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I hate losing watcher, that's such a strong role.

Watcher role is lame. Now it's all down to intuition, baby. :2thumbsup:

[Montmorency]

You'd all find some excuse not to vote me in so I forced yo her hand to do so.

What?

[Visor]

Amusing note, all three lynch candidates were my strongest wolf list

[Schema]

This is a good question.

I know it kind of goes against the spirit of the game when ATPG clearly wants lots of shifts in power etc. but the events of last day give us a pretty solid town core to entrench.

I have raisins.

Who are your scum reads, GH?

[Visor]

What?

#fear

Also some of you are legitimately awful at reading me/in general

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have raisins.

Who are your scum reads, GH?

lol

[Visor]

lol

My advice is to say choxorn gh, he's definitely scum

[Schema]

Monty/cuth look awful. Cuth progression on schema is literally bizarre, will show in a few hours.

I look forward to what you have to add to yesterday's thoughts on Cuth.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My advice is to say choxorn gh, he's definitely scum

I was legitimately going to say "whoever Renata posted that good argument against in the last part of D1" but I kind of gathered from the posts so far that it *was* choxorn, so. :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

#fear

What?


Also some of you are legitimately awful at reading me/in general

Historically I've done well. I had you high town before you started lying, FWIW.

[Visor]

I look forward to what you have to add to yesterday's thoughts on Cuth.

Anyone can go read it for himself

He flips for no reason

His reads make no sense

He is scum reading you and then town reads you for??? Reasons

[Montmorency]

Why does scum Cuth want to elect Chox-voting Renata?

[Visor]

What?



Historically I've done well. I had you high town before you started lying, FWIW.

People are scared of me for some stupid reason

They mentioned it yesterday, cass, Renata, etc

[Visor]

Why does scum Cuth want to elect Chox-voting Renata?

As the old saying goes, the only time cuth kills a wolf he's a wolf

Doesn't look Iike anything to me

I thought he was electing himself anyway, not Renata

[Dp101]

I feel that the best way to solve this is to divide into 5 districts, elect someone as chancellor who everyone trusts, and then arrange for the lynch vote to be tied. That way, mafia has minimal input on the lynch.

[Montmorency]

I thought he was electing himself anyway, not Renata

He started pushing Renata over DP after you left.

[Visor]

Yeah I'm right, he voted himself and zack not Renata

[Jabbz]

These are posts I put together during the night phase, so they do not have the day2 results as context.



I don't think this was ever addressed or even acknowledged

You're right, I don't think it was. The reason I didn't find it suspicious in DP's case was the same reason I didn't have a problem with you just because you were pushed by a few different people for Chancellor, after I realized I was mistaking Dp's arguments for yours, they were suspicious together, not separately.



If Jabbz is a wolf Winston is probably a villager?

I need to reread to make sure of that one
Could you expound on that relationship? Further do you have any views on what happens if Winston is a wolf?



It's possible.
I had the same thought about Renata's/Jabbz's vote on DP, thought the push there was Towny but IIRC it did come after my comments. Don't think Atheotes commented on Jabbz doing the same thing so WW there is possible especially if Renata is Town.

The rolefishing thing I put less stock in. That's something I think wolves push as a thing as opposed to really use as a thing. How many Town PRs actually bite that sort of bait?
I can’t tell where you’re going with this. Is this questioning Atheotes, Renata, me, all the above?
If it’s about me, I would note that I voted for Dp101 as rep the first post I made, so I think it’s fair to say it wasn’t influenced by your observations, especially given the reasons I gave.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I feel that the best way to solve this is to divide into 5 districts, elect someone as chancellor who everyone trusts, and then arrange for the lynch vote to be tied. That way, mafia has minimal input on the lynch.

How many hardclears (or essentially close enough) are there? You, Cass, Renata, maybe atheotes according to Monty (or someone else)? Am I missing anyone?

I agree with the principle of your strategy but maybe chop it down to four for the time being.

[Visor]

Monty, if both Renata and dp are voting choxorn

A: does it matter
B: getting votes split

[Montmorency]

I feel that the best way to solve this is to divide into 5 districts, elect someone as chancellor who everyone trusts, and then arrange for the lynch vote to be tied. That way, mafia has minimal input on the lynch.

Cass is already Chancellor. I'd be interested to know if she can redistrict now that day has begun. For Mafia to have minimal input, elect DP/Renata for D1, and Cass for D3. D2 can never beat that whether town or scum.

[Renata]

Watcher role is lame. Now it's all down to intuition, baby. :2thumbsup:

So show some ;)

[Schema]

Anyone can go read it for himself

He flips for no reason

His reads make no sense

He is scum reading you and then town reads you for??? Reasons

I said add. I know the above well enough. I do not know Cuth's play but I was unimpressed with his last-minute push on the Sooh vote. He asked me to move my vote off Renata voting Choxorn and onto him with the hope that he could end up representative and get Sooh lynched. Nothxatall. Onto a town read of mine? Yeah right.

[Montmorency]

Monty, if both Renata and dp are voting choxorn

A: does it matter
B: getting votes split

DP voted Chox way after you left and after Cuth started pushing for Renata.

[Winston Hughes]

I don't have a power, I lied to get elected.

I was quite certain that you were lying.

My opening post was a multilayered extravaganza, but the initial inspiration came from your ludicrous claim.

I supported you, and continue to believe that you are most likely town, because it's a bloody idiotic thing to do if you're actually scum, and is still most likely to end up with you getting lynched.

[Schema]

I said add. I know the above well enough. I do not know Cuth's play but I was unimpressed with his last-minute push on the Sooh vote. He asked me to move my vote off Renata voting Choxorn and onto him with the hope that he could end up representative and get Sooh lynched. Nothxatall. Onto a town read of mine? Yeah right.

Not to mention she'd already claimed and the move made no sense.

[Visor]

Watcher being a role in this game surprises me greatly, as it's not exactly a fun role but it makes.sense with the setup

Just wondering if it makes 5 wolves total likely cause I think it might which is annoying, given the voting mechanics can likely be pro wolf

[Visor]

I was quite certain that you were lying.

My opening post was a multilayered extravaganza, but the initial inspiration came from your ludicrous claim.

I supported you, and continue to believe that you are most likely town, because it's a bloody idiotic thing to do if you're actually scum, and is still most likely to end up with you getting lynched.

I was sure your opening post was letting me know you knew I was.lying

[Renata]

As the old saying goes, the only time cuth kills a wolf he's a wolf

Doesn't look Iike anything to me

I thought he was electing himself anyway, not Renata

He had something going on with he would be willing to vote me for rep, or some such; he may have bee the one who said I was better than an easily-pocketed Dp. I don't remember the details so won't comment on it further right now.

From Monty's wall of quotes I'd say that choxorn related spew throws a little shade on Cuth and on GH for the soft town leans, and probably a little more than than on Monstrobro for what seems like a particularly contorted slight-villa read on choxorn.

I will need to go back and verify for myself that Monty didn't leave anything out.

You must have learned something from reactions to your double-voter claim.

[Montmorency]

Visor, anything that catches your attention from my big-post at start of day?

[Renata]

Oh, also, Jabbz moves up a few more towny slots for choxorn choosing to do his "lecturing the towny" routine on his post.

[Visor]

Visor, anything that catches your attention from my big-post at start of day?

No, I didn't read it because it was going to be a big wall of text 'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf'

[Montmorency]

No, I didn't read it because it was going to be a big wall of text 'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf'

Not quite. Read it plz. You're going to be reading a lot of it anyway if you ever go back through pages 28-40 for reference.


'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf

Holy disingenuous.

[Visor]

I didn't get anything from the claim itself except for Winston being likely town

Maybe Monty wolfy

I just did it to get elected, not for reads, like I said, I figured I wouldn't get elected otherwise

[Renata]

Seriously, rule of three on choxorn's slight town reads? Me, Cuthillius, GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seriously, rule of three on choxorn's slight town reads? Me, Cuthillius, GH.

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

[Montmorency]

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

[Visor]

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

In a world where we lynch either cuth or me, why on earth would you lynch me over him?