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Askthepizzaguy
12-17-2016, 20:04
Welcome all. This is a small game for 21 players, with a twist in the voting mechanics.
Violating the rules in red can cause you to be modkilled or lose the game or both. Host's judgment what happens.
Game rules:
You may not talk after death. There will be a dead quicktopic if you want to talk.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
No screenshots or any similar workarounds that allow someone to confirm your role.
Do not discuss when you received your role PM.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread, unless I say so.
Please do not post in the game thread during Night Phase.
Don't edit posts. If you edit out game-related content in particular, it may result in a modkill.
Post minimum is twice per day phase, and you must place a legal vote each round. If you don't, there may be dire consequences.
Alignment and role will be revealed upon death.
48 hour days and 24 hour night phases, except where indicated (holidays).
If you are replaced or modkilled, please do not post in the thread.
For votes that end in a tie it will be decided by the Chancellor.
No lynch is not a viable option and will be counted as not voting.
Abstain is not a viable vote and will be counted as not voting.
If you have a question, send it to me via PM, otherwise I may not answer it publicly or at all.
Vote Mechanics: Read this, it is important.
You may be required to vote for someone to represent your district. To place such a vote, do so in bold and blue, like so... Vote: seireikhaan
You may end up voting for someone to become Chancellor. To place such a vote, do so in bold and green, like so... Vote: Andres
You must vote for someone to be lynched. To place such a vote, do so in bold and red, like so... Vote: Sigurd
If you wish to unvote any of these things, type unvote and place it in bold and the color in question, such as red.
Some rounds will not include an election of Chancellor.
Unless you are a duly elected Representative of a District, your lynch vote will not be counted. You still might want to have your vote on record, in case you suddenly got elected to represent your district. Also to avoid dire consequences.
If you are the Chancellor, you may be asked to break a tie. You will have 24 hours to send me your verdict, otherwise I kill you. Ties are bad, mmkay.
If you are the Chancellor, you may be asked to redraw the districts. You will have 24 hours to redraw them, otherwise something bad may happen.
If you need to see the vote tags and colors, they look like this.
Vote: Name
Vote: Name
Vote: Name
Vanilla Town Role PM:
Reminder: Do not quote your role PM. See the rules in red. This is to give the mafia a general idea what a town role PM would look like in a paraphrasing context.
You are a vanilla townie. You have no special powers other than your vote.
Victory condition: All the members of the Mafia team are eliminated.
Mafia victory condition:
You must achieve parity against the Town faction. Once parity is reached, nothing and no one can stop your victory.
Round End time:
Rounds will end at 8:30 PM local time in Norway, which is currently UTC+1. Eastern time in the United States is -6 hours from that time, so 2:30PM Eastern time, USA. Votes placed at :30 minute mark are valid, votes placed at :31 minute mark are invalid, and posts must stop after that. If the game host is late for whatever reason, please be patient and don't wait up to see the results. I will try to avoid ever being late.
Lynch reveal:
It may take me several minutes to tally the results and do the reveal. If there's a need for a tie-breaker, I'll ship it to the Chancellor and everyone else can sit and cool their jets for a day, unless they have been kind enough to tell me their decision already.
Representative Mechanics and Sample Game:
Read this summary and/or click through to read the sample game and see how it will work. If confused, send me a PM with a question.
Representative Democracy!!!
The players will be randomized into an odd number of districts.
Each district will elect a representative, and only that representative will actually vote in a manner that matters when it comes to the lynch.
The rule for districts is that the largest-sized district cannot have two or more people more than the smallest-sized district, so all districts will be of the same approximate size, off by a maximum of 1 person.
As people die off, the districts may need to be re-drawn.
At game start, there will be a special election for "Chancellor-for-life".
Only the Chancellor can re-draw districts.
If the Chancellor dies, a special election for the new Chancellor will happen.
Whenever the size difference between districts becomes 2 or more, the Chancellor will decide who goes in what district.
Districts have a minimum size of 3 people.
Districts can be as large as you like, but there must always be 3 or more districts, and there must always be an odd-number of districts.
District voting ends when there are 8 players or fewer, because at that point, there would be either one district, or an even number of districts, or districts would end up with 2 people or 1 person.
If the voters in a district tie, they will not have a representative that round.
If the district representatives' lynch vote ends in a tie, the Chancellor decides between the tied candidates, and someone will be lynched anyway.
It is Night. Don't post at night.
ROLE PMS HAVE NOT BEEN SENT OUT YET.
Askthepizzaguy
12-17-2016, 20:16
Reserved for game host and updates.
Day One begins (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy&p=2053728710&viewfull=1#post2053728710). Live players and districts listed here.
Day One ends (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053730139&viewfull=1#post2053730139). Flavor result for elections found here.
Choxorn is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053730141&viewfull=1#post2053730141). 24 hour extension given.
Sooh is murdered. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053730303&viewfull=1#post2053730303)
Generalhankerchief is lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053731486#post2053731486)
dp101 is murdered. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053731536#post2053731536)
El Barto was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053732271&viewfull=1#post2053732271)
Renata and Cuthillius were murdered. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053732320&viewfull=1#post2053732320)
Al Sipsclar was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053732862&viewfull=1#post2053732862)
Cass_, Jabbz, and BSmith were murdered. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152347-Representative-Democracy-In-Play&p=2053732889&viewfull=1#post2053732889)
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Askthepizzaguy
12-17-2016, 20:16
Live players and reveals
Monstrbro
Montmorency
Zack
dicetosser1
atheotes
Winston Hughes
Schema
Visor
Fenn
Riedquat
Dead:
Choxorn- Mafia Goon, died D1
Sooh- Town watcher, died N1
Generalhankerchief- Vanilla town, died D2
dp101- Vanilla town, died N2
El Barto- Mafia Goon, died D3
Renata- Vanilla town, died N3
Cuthillius- Vanilla town, died N3
Al Sipsclar- Vanilla town, died D4
Cass_- Vanilla town, died N4
BSmith- N3 town vigilante, died N4
Jabbz- Vanilla town, died N4
Askthepizzaguy
12-17-2016, 20:20
Randomized districts for Day One:
DISTRICT ONE
Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Choxorn
Dp101
Jabbz
dicetosser1
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency
Al Sipsclar
Sooh
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief
Zack
atheotes
ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR DAY ONE:
You WILL be voting to elect a Representative today, whose lynch vote will be counted. Bold and Blue, Vote: Name
You WILL be voting to elect a Chancellor today. Bold and Green, Vote: Name
You ALWAYS must place a vote to Lynch someone. Bold and Red, Vote: Name
Voting ends 48 hours from Day Start.
Unvoting is bold plus the associated color, plus Unvote.
Abstain and No Lynch are not valid.
If you need to find the vote tags so you can copy and paste them, they're in the original post in noparse tags.
It is still Night, do not post.
Askthepizzaguy
12-17-2016, 20:29
OK we should be all set to begin.
@Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
@El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=93318)
@Monstrbro (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100476)
@GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
@Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
@Cass_ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100059)
@Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
@Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=46115)
@Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
@Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
@Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=59017)
@dicetosser1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100477)
@Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=53365)
@atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23809)
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
@Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=49887)
@Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100481)
@Schema (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100482)
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432)
@Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12337)
@Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)
ONE LAST REMINDER:
Remember to be friendly to one another, don't get personal.
It's just a guessing game on the internets with friends or soon-to-be-friends.
If you annoy the impartial game host enough with uncivil behavior I may boot you from play.
Round ends at 2:30 PM Eastern Time USA, UTC -5, Monday the 19th of December.
You have 48 hours to meet vote and participation requirements.
Votes at :30 are legal, votes at :31 are not counted.
It is 8:30 PM local time in Norway, UTC +1.
Reading the OP and rules is a great idea.
IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 20:30
~~~An Appreciation of One of Our Betters~~~
Friends, Orgahs, fellow countrymen. I stand before you all today with the intent to extol the many virtues of one of our number. You may be surprised by whom I about to speak of, but the reason for my doing so is simple: Among his many admirable qualities, his humility perhaps shines most gloriously of them all. Thus the task falls upon me to wax poetic about the man who deserves all of the accolades we can think of. I speak, of course, about Zack.
If you're not familiar with Zack, perhaps you might know him by one of his alter egos. Zaccino, ZackCFC, he even briefly went as Zackbeard in a very successful tenure aboard the legendary vessel Presence where, of course, he was immediately named Captain and steered the ship home and presided over the smallest loss of life in all three of the ship's great voyages. His gold total accumulated from that expedition still singlehandedly pays for the satisfaction - and pleasure! - of many a night worker in Nassau even today, and his name still rightly strikes fear in the heart of many a Frenchman.
He is a decorated and exemplary host, welding together many universes in his famous None Shall Pass series with the raw power of an overclocked jackhammer yet also the fine precision of a razor for ants. In terms of hosting games set in an established universe - which I notoriously despise - there is perhaps no finer and more talented figure at this than Zack. His Futurama game aptly demonstrates his skill at this always-difficult task.
Zack's skill as a player is also, of course, unmatched. Truly Visor's better half, Zack has weaved through the myriad of thankless roles he has been assigned over the years, always cutting the most dashing figure on the dance floor that is our lives. He also made the finals of the annual Mafia Championships a year before such noted competitors as GeneralHankerchief, Apoc, and Newcomb, and did better than Askthepizzaguy, who could only muster up a N1 death while Zack, as part of the winning mafia team, gentlemanly subbed out on D2 in order to give the doomed town at least a fighting chance.
Yes, truly Zack is a shining example and role model to all of us on all possible fronts that you can think of. While I, GeneralHankerchief, may have been around the longest, while Sasaki Kojiro was the most influential of us in the early days, while Askthepizzaguy may have more posts, and while seireikhaan may be my best internet friend (and occasional secret dalliance partner), there is one person who shines above them - and us - all. I speak of the one and only...
Heart-stopping,
Pants-dropping,
House-rocking,
Earth-quaking,
Booty-shaking,
Logic-taking,
Looooooove-making...
The one...
The only...
The great...
ZACK!!!
Long may he grace us with his presence!
Say no more. I'm convinced.
Vote: Zack
Wait, was the the wrong color?
Wait, was the the wrong color?
Probably not. I'm personally all in favor of allowing the scum to lead us though. That's how these games usually go. vote: Zack
For my local district, it must of course be the only person in the group I've played with before, excepting choxorn, who should be immediately disqualified for obvious reasons. The one, the only, vote:Dp101!
vote: El Barto can die.
GeneralH, that was most delicious.
Thanks for your confidence Renata. Voting on mobile with all the tags is horrible this game, so I will probably not vote anytime soon. Also GH that was lovely.
~~~An Appreciation of One of Our Betters~~~
Friends, Orgahs, fellow countrymen. I stand before you all today with the intent to extol the many virtues of one of our number. You may be surprised by whom I about to speak of, but the reason for my doing so is simple: Among his many admirable qualities, his humility perhaps shines most gloriously of them all. Thus the task falls upon me to wax poetic about the man who deserves all of the accolades we can think of. I speak, of course, about Zack.
If you're not familiar with Zack, perhaps you might know him by one of his alter egos. Zaccino, ZackCFC, he even briefly went as Zackbeard in a very successful tenure aboard the legendary vessel Presence where, of course, he was immediately named Captain and steered the ship home and presided over the smallest loss of life in all three of the ship's great voyages. His gold total accumulated from that expedition still singlehandedly pays for the satisfaction - and pleasure! - of many a night worker in Nassau even today, and his name still rightly strikes fear in the heart of many a Frenchman.
He is a decorated and exemplary host, welding together many universes in his famous None Shall Pass series with the raw power of an overclocked jackhammer yet also the fine precision of a razor for ants. In terms of hosting games set in an established universe - which I notoriously despise - there is perhaps no finer and more talented figure at this than Zack. His Futurama game aptly demonstrates his skill at this always-difficult task.
Zack's skill as a player is also, of course, unmatched. Truly Visor's better half, Zack has weaved through the myriad of thankless roles he has been assigned over the years, always cutting the most dashing figure on the dance floor that is our lives. He also made the finals of the annual Mafia Championships a year before such noted competitors as GeneralHankerchief, Apoc, and Newcomb, and did better than Askthepizzaguy, who could only muster up a N1 death while Zack, as part of the winning mafia team, gentlemanly subbed out on D2 in order to give the doomed town at least a fighting chance.
Yes, truly Zack is a shining example and role model to all of us on all possible fronts that you can think of. While I, GeneralHankerchief, may have been around the longest, while Sasaki Kojiro was the most influential of us in the early days, while Askthepizzaguy may have more posts, and while seireikhaan may be my best internet friend (and occasional secret dalliance partner), there is one person who shines above them - and us - all. I speak of the one and only...
Heart-stopping,
Pants-dropping,
House-rocking,
Earth-quaking,
Booty-shaking,
Logic-taking,
Looooooove-making...
The one...
The only...
The great...
ZACK!!!
Long may he grace us with his presence!
:laugh4:
I should probably read the rules.
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 21:37
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 21:38
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
How on earth does "#blue" translate to that color???
Unvote: GH
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 21:38
Vote: GH
Should probably preview my posts before actually posting them.
Those in District 1 and 2 should post their resumes. I want good underlings.
In the dastardly circumstance where I do not become Chancellor, I'd want to at least represent District 3. Failing such nonsense, I officially endorse GeneralHankerchief on my ticket.
Wait, was the the wrong color?
Yes. Use green.
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 21:53
Also, this is not included in Pizza's list of rules, but I am adding this on my own initiative as moderator:
Real-world political discussion is strictly prohibited. You may lightly reference politics for flavor and roleplaying purposes (i.e. "let's vote this person and make the Gameroom great again"), but anything more than that, particularly editorializing, will not be tolerated.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding. :bow:
Zack, how would you draw the districts if you are elected?
Yes. Use green.
Testing
Vote: Sooh
My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!
Vote: Zack
Omg what is this Zack parade!?
Seriously!?
*barf*
We're all a bunch of lemmings. Don't worry, it's better that way.
Zack, how would you draw the districts if you are elected?
Expertly.
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 22:53
Omg what is this Zack parade!?
Seriously!?
*barf*
You're perfectly welcome to put up an alternative choice and advocate for him/her. This is a democracy, after all.
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 22:53
Beh
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
But who steps up when they die?
Who steps up when they need to die?
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 22:53
You're perfectly welcome to put up an alternative choice and advocate for him/her. This is a democracy, after all.
Would you like to be Chancellor? :yes:
ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK!
Zack?
TWTBAW?
Expertly.
All I want is a general plan for what you would do and an explaination for how it will benefit town more than wolves. Without that I will not elect you.
GeneralHankerchief
12-17-2016, 22:57
Would you like to be Chancellor? :yes:
I would not decline the position if it was offered to me, however, I would rather see Zack as Chancellor.
All I want is a general plan for what you would do and an explaination for how it will benefit town more than wolves. Without that I will not elect you.
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Dp101 Can I get a similar plan and explanation from you?
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 23:05
I would not decline the position if it was offered to me
We might consider lynching him tomorrow.
Elect me on D2 to lynch GH!
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Dp101 Can I get a similar plan and explanation from you?
Well, I haven't really planned one out because I was not planning on running, but basically what I was thinking was early on to split people into as many districts as possible, to make as many votes visible as possible. Then, once we have something resembling information/when I need to split them, I would make a small number (probably 5) of large districts, spreading the people I find scummy around so they can't control a district, and thus hopefully only let town vote. Probably terrible, but we are all experimenting here.
~~~An Appreciation of One of Our Betters~~~
Friends, Orgahs, fellow countrymen. I stand before you all today with the intent to extol the many virtues of one of our number. You may be surprised by whom I about to speak of, but the reason for my doing so is simple: Among his many admirable qualities, his humility perhaps shines most gloriously of them all. Thus the task falls upon me to wax poetic about the man who deserves all of the accolades we can think of. I speak, of course, about Zack.
If you're not familiar with Zack, perhaps you might know him by one of his alter egos. Zaccino, ZackCFC, he even briefly went as Zackbeard in a very successful tenure aboard the legendary vessel Presence where, of course, he was immediately named Captain and steered the ship home and presided over the smallest loss of life in all three of the ship's great voyages. His gold total accumulated from that expedition still singlehandedly pays for the satisfaction - and pleasure! - of many a night worker in Nassau even today, and his name still rightly strikes fear in the heart of many a Frenchman.
He is a decorated and exemplary host, welding together many universes in his famous None Shall Pass series with the raw power of an overclocked jackhammer yet also the fine precision of a razor for ants. In terms of hosting games set in an established universe - which I notoriously despise - there is perhaps no finer and more talented figure at this than Zack. His Futurama game aptly demonstrates his skill at this always-difficult task.
Zack's skill as a player is also, of course, unmatched. Truly Visor's better half, Zack has weaved through the myriad of thankless roles he has been assigned over the years, always cutting the most dashing figure on the dance floor that is our lives. He also made the finals of the annual Mafia Championships a year before such noted competitors as GeneralHankerchief, Apoc, and Newcomb, and did better than Askthepizzaguy, who could only muster up a N1 death while Zack, as part of the winning mafia team, gentlemanly subbed out on D2 in order to give the doomed town at least a fighting chance.
Yes, truly Zack is a shining example and role model to all of us on all possible fronts that you can think of. While I, GeneralHankerchief, may have been around the longest, while Sasaki Kojiro was the most influential of us in the early days, while Askthepizzaguy may have more posts, and while seireikhaan may be my best internet friend (and occasional secret dalliance partner), there is one person who shines above them - and us - all. I speak of the one and only...
Heart-stopping,
Pants-dropping,
House-rocking,
Earth-quaking,
Booty-shaking,
Logic-taking,
Looooooove-making...
The one...
The only...
The great...
ZACK!!!
Long may he grace us with his presence!
Probably not. I'm personally all in favor of allowing the scum to lead us though. That's how these games usually go. vote: Zack
For my local district, it must of course be the only person in the group I've played with before, excepting choxorn, who should be immediately disqualified for obvious reasons. The one, the only, vote:Dp101!
vote: El Barto can die.
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!
Vote: Zack
Omg what is this Zack parade!?
Seriously!?
*barf*
Well, I haven't really planned one out because I was not planning on running, but basically what I was thinking was early on to split people into as many districts as possible, to make as many votes visible as possible. Then, once we have something resembling information/when I need to split them, I would make a small number (probably 5) of large districts, spreading the people I find scummy around so they can't control a district, and thus hopefully only let town vote. Probably terrible, but we are all experimenting here.
I follow the first bit (splitting into as many groups as possible to start)
Torn on the rest.
Is it a good idea to let people you find scummy be involved in/influence the vote of many districts rather than control a single District's vote?
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 23:26
Strange to think that the entirety of the game will proceed with just 3 or 5 effective votes - other than perhaps one day with 7 or 8 votes.
What we should focus on then is managing the representatives' votes and obliging them to canvass in such a way as to avert sheeping and gutsing. Although that can't actually be enjoined in the given system...
They ass trustee!
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 23:28
Is it a good idea to let people you find scummy be involved in/influence the vote of many districts rather than control a single District's vote?
A single representative's vote is more powerful than any dozen inter-district votes.
Boooo MQ
Dp101 ignore the top stuff
Zack, have more popcorn cooking waiting on your reactions wrt everyone's early thoughts/votes/supports/pushes on you whenever you're ready.
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I follow the first bit (splitting into as many groups as possible to start)
Torn on the rest.
Is it a good idea to let people you find scummy be involved in/influence the vote of many districts rather than control a single District's vote?
The fact that they can influence the vote means that we will be able to see what more people are voting for, we can't put them all into one district at this point because we still need to figure out who the mafia are, which is the point of the small-district stage.
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 23:34
Unless you are a duly elected Representative of a District, your lynch vote will not be counted. You still might want to have your vote on record, in case you suddenly got elected to represent your district. Also to avoid dire consequences.
Remember guys, our lynch-votes don't matter. It will be interesting to see whether this will make diffusion more reliable for scum, or less. How much will "record" really come to mean?
All I want is a general plan for what you would do and an explaination for how it will benefit town more than wolves. Without that I will not elect you.
it depends entirely on the gamestate so asking me ten minutes into d1 is dumb
Boooo MQ
Dp101 ignore the top stuff
Zack, have more popcorn cooking waiting on your reactions wrt everyone's early thoughts/votes/supports/pushes on you whenever you're ready.
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huh?
A single representative's vote is more powerful than any dozen inter-district votes.
Then don't you want as many District votes to be as 'pure' as possible?
At least in the beginning of the game, if you have a large number of districts, and confine the players you find scummiest to one district/vote only, then their power/potential influence is only on one vote versus the many you find Towny?
Tldr: Internal district influences will matter because they add up to form the final votes.
Then don't you want as many District votes to be as 'pure' as possible?
At least in the beginning of the game, if you have a large number of districts, and confine the players you find scummiest to one district/vote only, then their power/potential influence is only on one vote versus the many you find Towny?
Tldr: Internal district influences will matter because they add up to form the final votes.
In the early game, confining the scummiest people to one district may reduce their early voting power, but early on the town is very misinformed and probably won't catch mafia anyway. Better to allow the mafia to control the lynch a bit in order to hold the accountable for it.
it depends entirely on the gamestate so asking me ten minutes into d1 is dumb
It was not 10 minutes in, and anyway I was not asking for a detailed list, just some theorycrafting.
Montmorency
12-17-2016, 23:53
Then don't you want as many District votes to be as 'pure' as possible?
At least in the beginning of the game, if you have a large number of districts, and confine the players you find scummiest to one district/vote only, then their power/potential influence is only on one vote versus the many you find Towny?
Tldr: Internal district influences will matter because they add up to form the final votes.
Because "many" means 5, this isn't a sound approach. What will become the driver is as-yet unknown, but in principle your suggestion is not how it can or should work.
In the early game, confining the scummiest people to one district may reduce their early voting power, but early on the town is very misinformed and probably won't catch mafia anyway. Better to allow the mafia to control the lynch a bit in order to hold the accountable for it.
Why do you think they will or would want to control the lynch?
huh?
Your opinions on other player's pushes/reactions concerning you this early could be valuable later on. Effectively, I'm watching that space to try and figure things out.
I accidently MQ'd a whole heap of posts relevant to that in the post prior to the one you quoted. Hence the 'Boo MQ' comment and the explanation.
Wot?
Why do you think they will or would want to control the lynch?
Mafia always will try to some extent, in case town randomly finds mafia and they need to save them. The more lynch votes we have, the more data points we have to look at later as to who exactly tried to swing the lynch.
In the early game, confining the scummiest people to one district may reduce their early voting power, but early on the town is very misinformed and probably won't catch mafia anyway. Better to allow the mafia to control the lynch a bit in order to hold the accountable for it.
is that how you want me to align districts?
Your opinions on other player's pushes/reactions concerning you this early could be valuable later on. Effectively, I'm watching that space to try and figure things out.
I accidently MQ'd a whole heap of posts relevant to that in the post prior to the one you quoted. Hence the 'Boo MQ' comment and the explanation.
Wot?
what pushes lol
is that how you want me to align districts?
I wouldn't be proposing it as a potential plan if I didn't. The more mafia that get elected to vote in the actual lunch, the more mafia that have to justify their votes, and the more that we can catch.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:11
Mafia always will try to some extent, in case town randomly finds mafia and they need to save them. The more lynch votes we have, the more data points we have to look at later as to who exactly tried to swing the lynch.
Remember that, beyond electing the voters, Joe Blows can only make public arguments. Because there is a layer of disconnect between vote and argument here, and because the votes are so few, relying on a calculus oriented towards more typical games won't fit here.
The big question will be, who will receive cases, and why?* I may well be wrong, but I suspect a large random curve.
*In general sense, not in connection to scum motivations
Chancellor fun aside, my eye is really on the district reps and what they do with the votes from the rest of us. So Dp, I'm voting for you for rep currently. What are your ideas there?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:12
Mechanic suggestion for future: Representatives can communicate privately with the Chancellor.
3 districts, 1 mafia voter, 2 townie voters
3 districts, 1 town voter, 2 mafia voters
3 districts, 3 town voters
3 districts, 3 mafia voters
I don't know that I'd be able to distinguish one from the other here based on votes, but perhaps I'm missing something. Seems to me like scum would be able to easily slip under the radar in either of these configurations. What am I not seeing?
Not sure a bigger selection would be better either, I just don't really understand the sort of techniques that would be applicable to scum here.
I wouldn't be proposing it as a potential plan if I didn't. The more mafia that get elected to vote in the actual lunch, the more mafia that have to justify their votes, and the more that we can catch.
Don't you think that us ordinary non-reps will have to justify our votes as well? (We don't get to just not have one -- see rules.) I'd say that any rep who didn't demand some kind of accountability from their home-district voters isn't doing their job.
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 00:16
vote cass
shes thinking already. I can see the wheels turning.
cass You are going to get too wrapped up in this game I can see it a mile off. No posting after 10pm or I start dobbing to ure better half
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:16
Don't you think that us ordinary non-reps will have to justify our votes as well? (We don't get to just not have one -- see rules.) I'd say that any rep who didn't demand some kind of accountability from their home-district voters isn't doing their job.
Don't push this too far, however. Mafia could use similar reasoning to support town representatives and lynch them and around them on the basis of scapecatting. Most power with scum chancellor to shuffle the board in a way that draws attention to targets.
I don't think I understand what you mean.
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 00:18
vote hankerchief
Remember that, beyond electing the voters, Joe Blows can only make public arguments. Because there is a layer of disconnect between vote and argument here, and because the votes are so few, relying on a calculus oriented towards more typical games won't fit here.
The big question will be, who will receive cases, and why?* I may well be wrong, but I suspect a large random curve.
*In general sense, not in connection to scum motivations
Don't you think that us ordinary non-reps will have to justify our votes as well? (We don't get to just not have one -- see rules.) I'd say that any rep who didn't demand some kind of accountability from their home-district voters isn't doing their job.
Both good points, I will think about these and maybe come back.
I wouldn't be proposing it as a potential plan if I didn't. The more mafia that get elected to vote in the actual lunch, the more mafia that have to justify their votes, and the more that we can catch.
helping the mafia in the hopes of better late-game analysis is a really preposterous suggestion, I thought you were trolling
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:26
I don't think I understand what you mean.
It's cool if its me doing it, but we should be looking out for perpetual "backbenchers" accusing representatives and others along the stratagem of creating perceived mistakes or pitfalls for representatives and then condemning them on those grounds.
We can't put the snake around our wrists!
Chancellor fun aside, my eye is really on the district reps and what they do with the votes from the rest of us. So Dp, I'm voting for you for rep currently. What are your ideas there?
Dice seems weird, Cass feels solvey, Zack is his normal self, and you/Monty kinda feel similar, neither taking very bold positions on any of the issues. I think on balance I would vote for Dice, but I don't know his style + it is early in the day so will probably change.
In the early game, confining the scummiest people to one district may reduce their early voting power, but early on the town is very misinformed and probably won't catch mafia anyway. Better to allow the mafia to control the lynch a bit in order to hold the accountable for it.
The fact that they can influence the vote means that we will be able to see what more people are voting for, we can't put them all into one district at this point because we still need to figure out who the mafia are, which is the point of the small-district stage.
I think we already agreed on this bit in that I think the best strategy early on is many groups, and small.
Although I think it's defeatist to say we probably won't catch Scum anyway - I'd rather an active, coherent Town successfully control the lynch and catch Scum, even on D1, and have Scum get held accountable that way :p
I'm trying to understand when/why you would split into a smaller number of groups and why you would spread your scum-reads amongst those like you suggested in your initial plan?
Spreading scum makes it easier for them to influence multiple district votes, no?
Because "many" means 5, this isn't a sound approach. What will become the driver is as-yet unknown, but in principle your suggestion is not how it can or should work.
a) You and DP101 have both suggested 5. Why 5? Iirc Districts only need a minimum of 3 players and we start with 21. Mathsarehard but that gives us 7 if we split to maximum?
b) Why does the number 5 make the strategy of separating those you find scummy from those you find Towny not a sound approach?
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 00:30
Dice seems weird, Cass feels solvey, Zack is his normal self, and you/Monty kinda feel similar, neither taking very bold positions on any of the issues. I think on balance I would vote for Dice, but I don't know his style + it is early in the day so will probably change.
how am I weird?
It's cool if its me doing it, but we should be looking out for perpetual "backbenchers" accusing representatives and others along the stratagem of creating perceived mistakes or pitfalls for representatives and then condemning them on those grounds.
We can't put the snake around our wrists!
On what schedule do we choose our reps? Every day?
helping the mafia in the hopes of better late-game analysis is a really preposterous suggestion, I thought you were trolling
My point was that town is very wrong early on, so having a higher-than-normal chance of mafia votes mattering will not drop the chances of mafia getting lynched by any significant margin.
Dice seems weird, Cass feels solvey, Zack is his normal self, and you/Monty kinda feel similar, neither taking very bold positions on any of the issues. I think on balance I would vote for Dice, but I don't know his style + it is early in the day so will probably change.
That wasn't actually my question. I'm saying, if you are the representative for our district, what do you plan to do with all our votes/ideas? Vote with the plurality always, follow your own star, try to make a choice in light of other district votes ...?
how am I weird?
Just something about your tone, as mentioned this is probably just me not being familiar with you so I will most likely abandon it later.
Mafia always will try to some extent, in case town randomly finds mafia and they need to save them. The more lynch votes we have, the more data points we have to look at later as to who exactly tried to swing the lynch.
I think you may be overlooking the option where Town isn't coherent and mafia just sit back and then later let/push them take the fall for early confusion. Not sore if that's deliberate or just blinkers at this point.
Solution either way: Town just be awesome and find Scum!
what pushes lol
Pushes for you as Chancellor etc.
*keeps popcorn warm*
if there's more than 1 mafia in the district reps, then a scum is almost never going to get lynched. Pretty high price to pay for slightly better late-game analysis.
I think we already agreed on this bit in that I think the best strategy early on is many groups, and small.
Although I think it's defeatist to say we probably won't catch Scum anyway - I'd rather an active, coherent Town successfully control the lynch and catch Scum, even on D1, and have Scum get held accountable that way :p
I'm trying to understand when/why you would split into a smaller number of groups and why you would spread your scum-reads amongst those like you suggested in your initial plan?
Spreading scum makes it easier for them to influence multiple district votes, no?
a) You and DP101 have both suggested 5. Why 5? Iirc Districts only need a minimum of 3 players and we start with 21. Mathsarehard but that gives us 7 if we split to maximum?
b) Why does the number 5 make the strategy of separating those you find scummy from those you find Towny not a sound approach?
I never suggested 5, and the idea to split scum up later was including the idea that the districts would be made larger, so each individual vote would matter less, so the small amount of votes controlled by the mafia will matter far less than town.
Pushes for you as Chancellor etc.
*keeps popcorn warm*
I appreciate the votes. Not sure what you think is supposed to be exciting about my reaction.
That wasn't actually my question. I'm saying, if you are the representative for our district, what do you plan to do with all our votes/ideas? Vote with the plurality always, follow your own star, try to make a choice in light of other district votes ...?
Probably a mix of all of the above. It will depend on how much I trust my district at the time.
Spreading scum makes it easier for them to influence multiple district votes, no?
I'm just imagining say five districts, one of which is nothing but scum and the rest of which are entirely controlled by townies. And what kind of position that would put the scum in. The most effective way to reduce mafia power may not be to dilute it, but rather to concentrate it into relative powerlessness. Think gerrymandering.
a) You and DP101 have both suggested 5. Why 5? Iirc Districts only need a minimum of 3 players and we start with 21. Mathsarehard but that gives us 7 if we split to maximum?
b) Why does the number 5 make the strategy of separating those you find scummy from those you find Towny not a sound approach?[/QUOTE]
I think you may be overlooking the option where Town isn't coherent and mafia just sit back and then later let/push them take the fall for early confusion. Not sore if that's deliberate or just blinkers at this point.
Solution either way: Town just be awesome and find Scum!
I like you.
Remember that, beyond electing the voters, Joe Blows can only make public arguments. Because there is a layer of disconnect between vote and argument here, and because the votes are so few, relying on a calculus oriented towards more typical games won't fit here.
The big question will be, who will receive cases, and why?* I may well be wrong, but I suspect a large random curve.
*In general sense, not in connection to scum motivations
What if ground rules become everybody in a District votes, and the District representative puts fourth the vote that reflects majority?
Am I wrong to assume we're effectively in a Democracy here?
Representative democracy, meaning that just like in the real world, our representative is free to tell their constituents to take a hike and vote according to the wishes of the lobbyists mafia or personal whims or whatever.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:45
a) You and DP101 have both suggested 5. Why 5? Iirc Districts only need a minimum of 3 players and we start with 21. Mathsarehard but that gives us 7 if we split to maximum?
b) Why does the number 5 make the strategy of separating those you find scummy from those you find Towny not a sound approach?
We are split to maximum.
First, only the Chancellor can do it so the question is moot. But if I were Chancellor, separating - let's say I peeked them scum - scum should not have a clear effect on the lynch in any particular way. The only possible scenario is if I knew how someone would vote if elected and created ground for representatives mostly interested in lynching some scum.
On what schedule do we choose our reps? Every day?
I think with every redistricting, so not exactly every day.
if there's more than 1 mafia in the district reps, then a scum is almost never going to get lynched. Pretty high price to pay for slightly better late-game analysis.
Not really. It looks awful for representatives, and whether or not they are scum you can fix the situation by forcing byelections.
I like you.
Now. You like me now .
Wait for the real crazy to come out.
Also, <3 but pocket attempt denied :p
Who else do you like right now?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 00:49
What if ground rules become everybody in a District votes, and the District representative puts fourth the vote that reflects majority?
Am I wrong to assume we're effectively in a Democracy here?
If you can get people to agree to it on informal grounds.
I'm just imagining say five districts, one of which is nothing but scum and the rest of which are entirely controlled by townies. And what kind of position that would put the scum in. The most effective way to reduce mafia power may not be to dilute it, but rather to concentrate it into relative powerlessness. Think gerrymandering.
Deeply unlikely to happen, and we won't know about it until after the fact. Russian roulette is a sounder approach than this. And if it did happen by chance, then in terms of strategy what would it tell us? The only case is if then they keep in the same district with each other and none of them is NKed, but even then since the grounds for NK will be shifted in this game it's a complete pie-sky thought.
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 00:51
What if ground rules become everybody in a District votes, and the District representative puts fourth the vote that reflects majority?
Am I wrong to assume we're effectively in a Democracy here?
Yes. The problem comes when someone has a strong feel on someone and that is opposite the rest of the area. They may vote with their feel no matter that they said theyd go with majority
Now. You like me now .
Wait for the real crazy to come out.
Also, <3 but pocket attempt denied :p
Who else do you like right now?
Dp, maybe? I don't like the defeatism, but so far he's about what I would have expected from last game.
If you can get people to agree to it on informal grounds.
Deeply unlikely to happen, and we won't know about it until after the fact. Russian roulette is a sounder approach than this. And if it did happen by chance, then in terms of strategy what would it tell us? The only case is if then they keep in the same district with each other and none of them is NKed, but even then since the grounds for NK will be shifted in this game it's a complete pie-sky thought.
I'm talking about approaches for the chancellor, not the extremes of outcome. There's two basic approaches: try to dilute scum influence in any given district by splitting the scummy people up, or doing exactly the opposite and trying to keep them together to minimize the districts they can influence. Or put another way, by keeping all the towniest people together such that a certain district might almost turn into a masonry and lead the rest. I don't know which is better, but Cass' comment got my mind spinning.
I'm having trouble understanding your wording at times; I'm not sure what's going on.
Morning
Gimme power
Bye
Vote yourself, silly.
Game.seems pretty simple
I choose.someone and everyone votes for them to die
I'll kill the scum eventually
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:05
Renata, never forget the night kill. It will be our best hope in weeding out scum. Don't pin hopes on electing "the right" people at this point.
What could be a killing blow against Town: 10 people left, scum Chancellor elected, "You want gerrymandering? You got it!"
Morning
Gimme power
Bye
You're next in line. Get rid of Zack first. Then we lynch GH and elect you Chancellor.
1. If you can get people to agree to it on informal grounds.
2. Deeply unlikely to happen, and we won't know about it until after the fact. Russian roulette is a sounder approach than this. And if it did happen by chance, then in terms of strategy what would it tell us? The only case is if then they keep in the same district with each other and none of them is NKed, but even then since the grounds for NK will be shifted in this game it's a complete pie-sky thought.
1. Question: Does it make most sense in favour of Town?
I think it does. Every player accountable for a vote, and either voting with or away from a consensus that has either a positive or negative outcome.
So scum hunting is still the same.
The main risk here as I see it is Scum have the potential/responsibility for a new/higher level of divide and conquer. Town have to step up and try and establish rules for the greater good.
2. In terms of strategy, what are you thinking will work best and why?
I don't think Russian Roulette is a fair comparison? We all play mafia, we all have scum hunting skills, scum hunting doesn't just fall down to luck/chance.
Off the cuff, Renata has voiced what I'm thinking and I can't tell if you're fear-mongering or just seeing things from a different side with a stronger point of view.
Renata, never forget the night kill. It will be our best hope in weeding out scum.
You keep talking about the night kill. I don't know what you're getting at.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:11
1. Question: Does it make most sense in favour of Town?
I think it does. Every player accountable for a vote, and either voting with or away from a consensus that has either a positive or negative outcome.
As I said, good luck arranging it.
2. In terms of strategy, what are you thinking will work best and why?
Nothing yet. That's for post-mortem. I'll do whatever makes sense in the moment or for perceived developing teams.
You keep talking about the night kill. I don't know what you're getting at.
No! Only now...
Yes. The problem comes when someone has a strong feel on someone and that is opposite the rest of the area. They may vote with their feel no matter that they said theyd go with majority
Aaandd in that case, representatives breaking the trust of their electors should be scrutinised heavily, and either way would probably provide valuable information for/through the next day, as long as as it isn't done by every representative in every phase.
?
Orrrr, is it smarter scum hunting strategy to elect people as representatives and force them to vote/justify their cases of their own volition, without direct input from their districts?
I don't care if I'm a chancellor, I do care about being a representative.
I'm a double voter if I get representative status, so if the two others don't vote the same or vote abstain or whatever
I get to choose the lynch
As I said, good luck arranging it.
Nothing yet. That's for post-mortem. I'll do whatever makes sense in the moment or for perceived developing teams.
No! Only now...
Lol the bold ...
It doesn't give me your opinion or input though, which is kind of what I was after :P
I don't care if I'm a chancellor, I do care about being a representative.
I'm a double voter if I get representative status, so if the two others don't vote the same or vote abstain or whatever
I get to choose the lynch
Winston Hughes BSmith Csargo Riedquat El Barto Monstrbro
gimme power please
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:19
It doesn't give me your opinion or input though, which is kind of what I was after :P
I don't think much of it, but I won't oppose the campaign to put it in place (or its enforcement).
Orrrr, is it smarter scum hunting strategy to elect people as representatives and force them to vote/justify their cases of their own volition, without direct input from their districts?
Keep in mind that we will elect new representatives whenever redistricting occurs. This will depend on where the lynches and kills fall, and the inclinations of the Chancellor. It might be more useful to spend time influencing others' representatives than just your own.
I don't care if I'm a chancellor, I do care about being a representative.
I'm a double voter if I get representative status, so if the two others don't vote the same or vote abstain or whatever
I get to choose the lynch
WHAT?
I don't care if I'm a chancellor, I do care about being a representative.
I'm a double voter if I get representative status, so if the two others don't vote the same or vote abstain or whatever
I get to choose the lynch
Oooohhhh
Visor for Representative!
And Doc protect as long as he lynches wolves.
Why can't we share a District v.v
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:21
Visor is evil and lying, especially if he's not lying.
What is the meaning of this?
I'm trying to understand why you don't think much of it?
1. Need to see if I'm not seeing holes.
2. Think it's best if everyone put opinions and thoughts on the board.
This mechanics talk is great and all, but where are the reads
I think Cass is town and renata probably also town
I kinda like Dices first post just because
zack is.... okay? i guess
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:31
I'm trying to understand why you don't think much of it?
If you favor it for the sake of "data", then I don't see that it will produce more than leaving townies to speak whatever to no effect, and representatives to engage directly with each other.
This mechanics talk is great and all, but where are the reads
I think Cass is town and renata probably also town
I kinda like Dices first post just because
zack is.... okay? i guess
Why would you claim double vote?
Hey folks. Just checking in during some pre-Christmas cleaning. Given that I only know Dp here, I don't have much to offer at this point other than my initial reactions. The push to get Zack seemed to pick up a lot of steam very quickly. That could simply be his personality, we have some very good townies on my board as well, but it still strikes me as somewhat odd. I do find Cass' take on it to be more reassuring. Given the format of this game, the person in charge of setting districts has the capacity to either greatly hurt or greatly help town, and I'm more interested in someone who is going to take a strategic approach to the position rather than use it as a platform to test their own gut feelings on who is scum.
Vote: Dp101
Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
I think we already agreed on this bit in that I think the best strategy early on is many groups, and small.
a) You and DP101 have both suggested 5. Why 5? Iirc Districts only need a minimum of 3 players and we start with 21. Mathsarehard but that gives us 7 if we split to maximum?
b) Why does the number 5 make the strategy of separating those you find scummy from those you find Towny not a sound approach?
I think the more groups we have total, the less likely we are to have Scum in control of a majority of them. Seven sounds like a safer play for town.
Keep in mind that we will elect new representatives whenever redistricting occurs. This will depend on where the lynches and kills fall, and the inclinations of the Chancellor. It might be more useful to spend time influencing others' representatives than just your own.
Can you explain how the bold fits with the rest?
If we get redistributed we re-elect the person we want to either represent our, or justify their own, vote?
I'm getting the impression you're leaning towards playing independently with the setup as an additional piece if the puzzle?
Sounds like the easiest option to me and I can't hate it til I've had more time to think, but what ways can you see to make this setup work for Town?
FWIW, I see 4, max 5 wolves in this setup.
Either is about as equally likely, just depends how wolfsided atpg thinks the lynch mechanics and PRs are
Why is Zack ok?
Player-specific thoughts on the early push towards him as Chancellor etc?
Why is Zack ok?
Player-specific thoughts on the early push towards him as Chancellor etc?
i read his posts when i was half asleep
and they were okay, didn't really lean me one way or the other
maybe slightly good
in fact lets just make a yolo judgement call here
sooh is a wolf
zack is a villager
renata is a villager
monty is... probably a wolf (yolo)
cass is a villager
choxorn is a villager
dice is a villager
dp is (yolo) a villager
gh is a villager
jabbz could be a wolf but idk yet
and thats my reads rn
and if you ask why #feels
visor and cass should be reps, very likely villagers
No! Only now...
The only good thing about my current confusion, maybe, is that confusing the heck out of me was not part of your scum strategy from last game. You were "wonderfully" straight-forward.
if there's more than 1 mafia in the district reps, then a scum is almost never going to get lynched. Pretty high price to pay for slightly better late-game analysis.
So you're also for the 'put all the possi/consensus-scummies' in one District?
Mechanic suggestion for future: Representatives can communicate privately with the Chancellor.
Why privately?
So you're also for the 'put all the possi/consensus-scummies' in one District?
Why privately?
there I was specifically explaining why dp's "let the mafia decide who to lynch" strategy was bad
though I do tend to favor that line of thought, yes. not convinced either way yet, depends on game state like i said.
I don't care if I'm a chancellor, I do care about being a representative.
I'm a double voter if I get representative status, so if the two others don't vote the same or vote abstain or whatever
I get to choose the lynch
Who'd you bribe to get that role?
if there's more than 1 mafia in the district reps, then a scum is almost never going to get lynched. Pretty high price to pay for slightly better late-game analysis.
Mechanic suggestion for future: Representatives can communicate privately with the Chancellor.
3 districts, 1 mafia voter, 2 townie voters
3 districts, 1 town voter, 2 mafia voters
3 districts, 3 town voters
3 districts, 3 mafia voters
I don't know that I'd be able to distinguish one from the other here based on votes, but perhaps I'm missing something. Seems to me like scum would be able to easily slip under the radar in either of these configurations. What am I not seeing?
Not sure a bigger selection would be better either, I just don't really understand the sort of techniques that would be applicable to scum here.
Soohbear, got brain's on what will work best for Town here?
My head hurts
The only good thing about my current confusion, maybe, is that confusing the heck out of me was not part of your scum strategy from last game. You were "wonderfully" straight-forward.
I don't think straightforward is a word I would have ever used to descibe his play in that game lol
Forum help? Why do I keep getting extra quotes?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:49
Can you explain how the bold fits with the rest?
Don't put too much stock on the relationship within-district, I'm saying. One prediction I am willing to make is that scum don't want static groupings, whether or not they can push for groupings that highlight their targets. Static groupings, perhaps in a way that your thoughts foreshadow, are more difficult for scums to move in and pocket in than the larger mass of players.
If we get redistributed we re-elect the person we want to either represent our, or justify their own, vote?
I don't think a gameplan is helpful right now, but by all means compile a list of possibilities that we can refer to later.
I'm getting the impression you're leaning towards playing independently with the setup as an additional piece if the puzzle?
Yeah
EVIL
EVIL
Forum help? Why do I keep getting extra quotes?
think you have to go advanced to clear multi-quotes
Ok, someone else be chancellor since it is obvious that my plan is bad.
Who'd you bribe to get that role?
I gave Pizza a double stuffed crust
Also this mechanics talk, whilst great
is distracting from actual gameplay
No point worrying about reordering districts or chancellor or whatever
we have to work with what we have for this lynch right?
Worry about it in the next day phase, right now we need information on players in this game before we even decide about restructuring
so lets start doing that first
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:52
So you're also for the 'put all the possi/consensus-scummies' in one District?
Why privately?
Well, obviously they can do so publicly, but privately fits better with the theme and gives more personal weight to the positions than merely vote channels. Allows them to plan for future districting, to exchange favors.
You would probably need to permit more representatives, that I give you. A game with many players like in the old days, 30, 40, 50 - that would be a real run. Proper elite networking, though not necessarily PR networking.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:53
My EVIL EVIL remark was directed at Visor, but his quote disappeared from my post.
VISOR IS EVIL
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:54
Vote: Visor
Elect and lynch, or reject and lynch. Either way he must be purged.
I'm a fan of the mindless push monty, but you might want to give a reason for it at some stage
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:55
I don't think straightforward is a word I would have ever used to descibe his play in that game lol
Go on.
I gave Pizza a double stuffed crust
Also this mechanics talk, whilst great
is distracting from actual gameplay
No point worrying about reordering districts or chancellor or whatever
we have to work with what we have for this lynch right?
Worry about it in the next day phase, right now we need information on players in this game before we even decide about restructuring
so lets start doing that first
also this
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:56
I'm a fan of the mindless push monty, but you might want to give a reason for it at some stage
You claim and run. You can't run.
And I would have followed you, my brother, my partner, my don.
Go on.
no it's irrelevant
Hey folks. Just checking in during some pre-Christmas cleaning. Given that I only know Dp here, I don't have much to offer at this point other than my initial reactions. The push to get Zack seemed to pick up a lot of steam very quickly. That could simply be his personality, we have some very good townies on my board as well, but it still strikes me as somewhat odd. I do find Cass' take on it to be more reassuring. Given the format of this game, the person in charge of setting districts has the capacity to either greatly hurt or greatly help town, and I'm more interested in someone who is going to take a strategic approach to the position rather than use it as a platform to test their own gut feelings on who is scum.
[votes removed]
I think the more groups we have total, the less likely we are to have Scum in control of a majority of them. Seven sounds like a safer play for town.
Hi Jabbz! vote: Jabbz
For an innocuous "here's the state of the game, yup" intro.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:57
no it's irrelevant
Write me a letter.
You claim and run. You can't run.
And I would have followed you, my brother, my partner, my don.
???
I gave Pizza a double stuffed crust
Also this mechanics talk, whilst great
is distracting from actual gameplay
No point worrying about reordering districts or chancellor or whatever
we have to work with what we have for this lynch right?
Worry about it in the next day phase, right now we need information on players in this game before we even decide about restructuring
so lets start doing that first
:state:
Yes, sir, mr townie sir.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 01:59
???
He claims double vote, and leaves it hanging.
Hi Jabbz! vote: Jabbz
For an innocuous "here's the state of the game, yup" intro.
i like this because its what i thought about the post
i want to give him some time though, see where he goes from there yet
could just be a style clash
He claims double vote, and leaves it hanging.
What do you want me to say about it?
He claims double vote, and leaves it hanging.
he claimed a double vote if he is elected representative then pushed people to vote him representative
how in the fuck is that "claim and run" ?
why would that even be a wolfy thing to do?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:01
What do you want me to say about it?
Everything you can. Starting with why you would claim it.
Everything you can. Starting with why you would claim it.
so I can get voted into a position to use my power?
he literally claimed why simultaneous with the claim
Winston Hughes
12-18-2016, 02:04
Hardclaim: Liar
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:06
he literally claimed why simultaneous with the claim
That's exactly why it's evil and makes no sense ffs
That's exactly why it's evil and makes no sense ffs
https://i.imgur.com/0mw1I8e.gif
I never suggested 5, and the idea to split scum up later was including the idea that the districts would be made larger, so each individual vote would matter less, so the small amount of votes controlled by the mafia will matter far less than town.
Well, I haven't really planned one out because I was not planning on running, but basically what I was thinking was early on to split people into as many districts as possible, to make as many votes visible as possible. Then, once we have something resembling information/when I need to split them, I would make a small number (probably 5) of large districts, spreading the people I find scummy around so they can't control a district, and thus hopefully only let town vote. Probably terrible, but we are all experimenting here.
You did too say 5? See bold :p
I think I can see what you're saying with italics.
Does this arrangement help us catch out scum?
I think it's ok if we run Democratic Districts and force everyone to vote.
I think it's too easy for split scum to hide if District Representatives do their own thing and members don't have to be accountable for their vote.
Unless we make Representatives those we think are scummy, which is a baaaaaad idea.
What about a smaller number of large Democratic Districts?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:09
https://i.imgur.com/0mw1I8e.gif
Why would you have that prepared
You did too say 5? See bold :p
I think I can see what you're saying with italics.
Does this arrangement help us catch out scum?
I think it's ok if we run Democratic Districts and force everyone to vote.
I think it's too easy for split scum to hide if District Representatives do their own thing and members don't have to be accountable for their vote.
Unless we make Representatives those we think are scummy, which is a baaaaaad idea.
What about a smaller number of large Democratic Districts?
no because that's dumb and not fun
Why would you have that prepared
?
i used google to find it
Ok, sorry. I forgot that I named a number, it was just for the purpose of providing an example and was not something I would stick to.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:11
Cass, we can only have 3 or 5 districts in this game. 7 is unavailable as there is no Chancellor to redistrict yet, and tomorrow there will be 19 players. Just to clarify that.
Now, holding people accountable for votes needs to happen (in your view I assume) regardless of how representatives act, so the question is then: is it practical to enact or enforce, and if so will it actually keep voters accountable more than its absence?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:12
?
i used google to find it
In one minute? This is some 4chan nonsense.
why the sooh vote visor
just gut feeling about her early posts really
In one minute? This is some 4chan nonsense.
how long does it take you to type "nathan fillion gif"?
In one minute? This is some 4chan nonsense.
nathan fillion gif imgur
will get it
Hardclaim: Liar
Never lynch this man.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:18
DP101, just become elected to represent your district already, it's a mess.
here is the GAMEPLAN:
1. Vote villagery people in rep
2. Vote villagery person in chancellor
3. Lynch wolfy people
4. Win game
5. Don't let Renata anywhere near LYLO. Vig her if you have to.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:22
It can only work like this:
1. Lynch wolfy people
2. Win game
See, that's why electing and lynching you works just as well.
DP101, just become elected to represent your district already, it's a mess.
Why me? Sure I look town, but my votes never seem to help town.
I appreciate the votes. Not sure what you think is supposed to be exciting about my reaction.
I like analysing early stuff and the way people approach early game and thinking about whether it's more likely to come from Scum/Town them. I have next to no meta-understanding on how people playing this game tend to do that besides Dice.
Your reaction is 'exciting' because it should give me an insight into your thought process and reactions and help me understand if/how you're analysing the game.
Should you flip wolf it might help me find crumbs to teammates.
Like, what if anything do you make of each of the players suggestions/responses to the idea of you as Chancellor before we've seen anything of your play in the game?
I'm thinking it would be a VERY bold move for Scum to set up a scum-mate as Chancellor early on, though it might have some benefit.
I'm talking about approaches for the chancellor, not the extremes of outcome. There's two basic approaches: try to dilute scum influence in any given district by splitting the scummy people up, or doing exactly the opposite and trying to keep them together to minimize the districts they can influence. Or put another way, by keeping all the towniest people together such that a certain district might almost turn into a masonry and lead the rest. I don't know which is better, but Cass' comment got my mind spinning.
I'm having trouble understanding your wording at times; I'm not sure what's going on.
I was thinking one consensus/possi-scummy neighbourhood to try and limit the across-the-board influence of those players, and multiple little hopefully 'masonry-type' districts to overwhelm the Possi-Scum Town's vote.
This relies a lot on a cohesive and accurate Town in the majority of Districts though.
Not impossible, but could it work?
What are the holes?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:33
I was thinking one consensus/possi-scummy neighbourhood to try and limit the across-the-board influence of those players
Don't allow the existence of "districts" to create boundaries in your thought. Scum "influence" within a district is a phantasm until endgame, where we will have concrete teams to deliberate on in our process of voting reps.
Like, what if anything do you make of each of the players suggestions/responses to the idea of you as Chancellor before we've seen anything of your play in the game?
I'm thinking it would be a VERY bold move for Scum to set up a scum-mate as Chancellor early on, though it might have some benefit.
yeah i'm grateful all my scummates are voting me chancellor
is that what you're looking for? there's nothing interesting i have to say on it, and i still don't get why you would think i'd have anything interesting to say about people voting me chancellor in the first place
can we stop talking about mechanics please
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 02:38
Candidate for the Chancellorship promises to circumscribe speech on "wrong subjects" under heavy penalty.
Promises to live up to this promise.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 02:58
Oops. vote: El Barto
I haven't read beyond Page 2.
Vote: Renata
Vote: El Barto
Vote: El Barto
El Barto
12-18-2016, 03:07
Game.seems pretty simple
I choose.someone and everyone votes for them to die
I'll kill the scum eventually
Are you a small white dog owned by a disillusioned engineer who works under the orders of a pointy-haired boss?
how long does it take you to type "nathan fillion gif"?
https://i.imgur.com/0mw1I8e.gif
5. Don't let Renata anywhere near LYLO. Vig her if you have to.
We have to give the mafia a sporting chance, don't you think?
You keep talking about the night kill. I don't know what you're getting at.
Renata - I saw the quoted post, but where did he keep talking about NK?
Only way I see NK helping us figure scum is by reducing the pool of players.
Both strange comments afaict?
If you favor it for the sake of "data", then I don't see that it will produce more than leaving townies to speak whatever to no effect, and representatives to engage directly with each other.
Why would you claim double vote?
Why wouldn't you claim a double vote, as either alignment?
The claim itself is null, what he does later will be more relevant imo.
Hey folks. Just checking in during some pre-Christmas cleaning. Given that I only know Dp here, I don't have much to offer at this point other than my initial reactions. The push to get Zack seemed to pick up a lot of steam very quickly. That could simply be his personality, we have some very good townies on my board as well, but it still strikes me as somewhat odd. I do find Cass' take on it to be more reassuring. Given the format of this game, the person in charge of setting districts has the capacity to either greatly hurt or greatly help town, and I'm more interested in someone who is going to take a strategic approach to the position rather than use it as a platform to test their own gut feelings on who is scum.
Vote: Dp101
Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
I think the more groups we have total, the less likely we are to have Scum in control of a majority of them. Seven sounds like a safer play for town.
1. So lots of people early voting Zack for Chancellor makes him the most likely scum and hence your vote? Or something else?
Imo the bold should only apply in the context of the current game and once there's reason to think those types of players are Town ITT.
2. Why Dp101 over yourself for District Rep, beyond following trend?
FTR probably early for a Chancellor vote on me if those are your reasons. I'm not sold on how to set the Districts either way at this point and I'm ok at rapid possibilities but awful at actually making decisions when lots of possible outcomes are involved.
can we stop talking about mechanics please
I don't think it needs to be stopped altogether.
I actually think it needs to be a thing for Town alongside scum hunting.
Hunt your scum, figure out an optimal strategy for Town given the unique setup.
Why stop it?
If Scum are going to hide behind only focusing on that it'll eventually be an obvious tell?
visor and cass should be reps, very likely villagers
Happy to rep if it's free-for-all and ok for this phase since lynch is a non-work day when family is distracted, but generally speaking I shouldn't be a rep if we're going for Democratic representation of District votes.
I can't guarantee to be here for deadlines and there's a very real chance I miss what everyone in a District wants at those points given time restraints.
Town District Mates, roll up!! <3
I don't really give a shit about "democratic representation" i just want villagers in those spots
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:13
It's not as if people voting means that you have a democracy.
I don't really give a shit about "democratic representation" i just want villagers in those spots
And that is the crux of my argument, if we only elect town then how can we find mafia? Votes not matching claimed opinions is a common behaviour from mafia, but with no vote they can bus their buddies with no need for excuses as to why they aren't voting them.
visor and cass should be reps, very likely villagers
Initial YOLO lean (and I'm not caught up) on Visor is Towny start.
IF that's right, then this post looks good for Zack, don't see much scummy motivation in calling for other District leaders to be Town.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:15
Wait, Dp. Are you seriously stating that you want to put the mafia in charge of the lynch? I might have to read the OP to get to grips with this.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:16
Initial YOLO lean (and I'm not caught up) on Visor is Towny start.
IF that's right, then this post looks good for Zack, don't see much scummy motivation in calling for other District leaders to be Town.
Are you hardclaiming townie? ;)
And that is the crux of my argument, if we only elect town then how can we find mafia? Votes not matching claimed opinions is a common behaviour from mafia, but with no vote they can bus their buddies with no need for excuses as to why they aren't voting them.
Waaaaiiiiiiiit, what?
We should only elect players we think are Town as representatives...
Just make sure everyone in a District votes.
Wait, Dp. Are you seriously stating that you want to put the mafia in charge of the lynch? I might have to read the OP to get to grips with this.
I am not saying they should be in charge, I just want scummy people to have to match their opinions with votes for the first day or two so we can find contradictions. This is why I want more fewer districts, so we can force more people to make a choice.
Waaaaiiiiiiiit, what?
We should only elect players we think are Town as representatives...
Just make sure everyone in a District votes.
But then who are we going to vote on? How are we going to find mafia?
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:20
OK, then vote me for everything. You know I'm scummy as a townie and can't ever justify my actions.
Hi Jabbz! vote: Jabbz
For an innocuous "here's the state of the game, yup" intro.
If you ignore \ my take on Cass' towniness and suitability for chancellor, my observation of why more groups is better (which hadn't meed made to that point) and my problems with Zack, sure.
Are you hardclaiming townie? ;)
Hardclaim Townie
Yup :D
But then who are we going to vote on? How are we going to find mafia?
How do you find Mafia in a normal game?
Always vote red with that.
Put Towny people in a position that allows Town reads maximum power over lynch. Trust them to make a good call.
Analyse discussions and votes within Districs and by the leader when you get a flip.
Imo.
1. So lots of people early voting Zack for Chancellor makes him the most likely scum and hence your vote? Or something else?
Imo the bold should only apply in the context of the current game and once there's reason to think those types of players are Town ITT.
2. Why Dp101 over yourself for District Rep, beyond following trend?
FTR probably early for a Chancellor vote on me if those are your reasons. I'm not sold on how to set the Districts either way at this point and I'm ok at rapid possibilities but awful at actually making decisions when lots of possible outcomes are involved.
My vote for Zack is a combination of the early jump on him making me leery combined with the way he talks about using the chancellorship. As most votes are during this stage, it's just a pressure vote.
Why Dp over myself, I don't know anyone here, so I have no reads on any of you, except for Dp. I feel putting myself in the position of power doesn't benefit the group in any way, and this gives me someone that I've watched in a few games (as host no less) and so the possibility of getting additional information out of him increases as he becomes more high profile. Basically, I'm working with what I have.
As to you, currently it appears to stand between you and Zack, who I don't want to get the job for the above mentioned reasons. IF another valid option comes along, I'll be happy to evaluate it, but again, you work with what you've got.
"the way he talks about using the chancellorship" ??
also lolpressurevotes
But then who are we going to vote on? How are we going to find mafia?
It's not as if no one else is making votes and arguments to sway the representatives. Just because you don't cast the final determining vote doesn't mean you aren't leaving a trail. Further, its not like we only argue in our own group, unless I missed some huge mechanic somewhere. Everyone will see the arguments made by others, its just that, theoretically at least, your own rep pays more attention.
How do you find Mafia in a normal game?
Always vote red with that.
Put Towny people in a position that allows Town reads maximum power over lynch. Trust them to make a good call.
Analyse discussions and votes within Districs and by the leader when you get a flip.
Imo.
One of the main ways that I have not used, but want to try because it seems effective is analysing vote patterns, which we cannot do under your plan.
"the way he talks about using the chancellorship" ??
also lolpressurevotes
Cool, so you guys have a different style, that's fine mate. We use them, often to good effect. If that bugs you, you're welcome to deal with it. As to using the chancellorship, someone tried to nail you down about that, and you started talking about going with your gut, and laid out some tentative plans for how you would deal with splitting the groups up. I found it did not inspire me. I'm pretty sure I articulated that above.
Cool, so you guys have a different style, that's fine mate. We use them, often to good effect. If that bugs you, you're welcome to deal with it. As to using the chancellorship, someone tried to nail you down about that, and you started talking about going with your gut, and laid out some tentative plans for how you would deal with splitting the groups up. I found it did not inspire me. I'm pretty sure I articulated that above.
vote for wolves not "pressure"
i did not mention gut anywhere
i don't think i gave any hint of plans when you made your big intro post
you are full of it
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:44
Jabbz, this is totalwar.org; here we do not behave seriously on D1. It is a longstanding tradition.
Dp, maybe? I don't like the defeatism, but so far he's about what I would have expected from last game.
Is that why you have him voted as representative?
Why not yourself?
The problem with pressure votes is that they don't work a few hours into d1 of a no maj game
Jabbz, this is totalwar.org; here we do not behave seriously on D1. It is a longstanding tradition.
ignore this
some people do actually try to win instead of just troll
Jabbz, this is totalwar.org; here we do not behave seriously on D1. It is a longstanding tradition.
No, thats hogwash
You don't, some of us do
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:48
I dunno, I won last game playing like that.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:51
Hah! See? You can't deny it.
vote for wolves not "pressure"
i did not mention gut anywhere
i don't think i gave any hint of plans when you made your big intro post
you are full of it
Actually, my bad, somehow I transposed you and Dp101. My apologies, my only excuse is I was bouncing back and forth between reading and cleaning. I still don't like the jump on you by the masses, but obviously the other part no longer stands. I need to go back now and reread what you said about it instead of Dp, but I'm likely still going to be pushing for Cass because no one else seems to be systematically approaching the idea, and I like that style.
As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 04:56
Indeed, I lobby whoever reps to lynch Visor. Most serious candidate to die D1.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 04:59
Indeed, I lobby whoever reps to lynch Visor. Most serious candidate to die D1.
So you want me to kill Visor in exchange for your vote? Hmmm-mmmh. This is interesting. I have Renata's destruction as my policy because she voted for me, but she is young and young people make mistakes. Visor has gotten old from trying to contradict me and this thing can be used to justifiably lynch him. Do I get any chocolate bars out of this?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 05:00
So you want me to kill Visor in exchange for your vote? Hmmm-mmmh. This is interesting. I have Renata's destruction as my policy because she voted for me, but she is young and young people make mistakes. Visor has gotten old from trying to contradict me and this thing can be used to justifiably lynch him. Do I get any chocolate bars out of this?
You're not in my district. Visor will be elected in your district, and if DP and GH don't vote him lynched he will kill you dead.
One of the main ways that I have not used, but want to try because it seems effective is analysing vote patterns, which we cannot do under your plan.
Why not?
If everyone votes red at some point you just
How do you find Mafia in a normal game?
Always vote red with that.
Put Towny people in a position that allows Town reads maximum power over lynch. Trust them to make a good call.
Analyse discussions and votes within Districs and by the leader when you get a flip.
Imo.
I think that plan is fine?
Putting players you find scummy in actual power when you're only aiming to take out Scum is not a good idea. If you're lucky the vote they cast might convince you more that they're scum, but a majority of the time from their/scum perspective it's likely going to cost the Town a Townie so ... not worth it.
Plus, if you call the Districts Democratic and elect scummy players as the representatives they can more easily hide behind their vote being 'what the District wanted' at any point.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 05:04
You're not in my district. Visor will be elected in your district, and if DP and GH don't vote him lynched he will kill you dead.
Yeah, no.
At some point Monty you'll actually have to explain your read on me
and why it makes me mafia, of all things
Monstrdude
12-18-2016, 05:06
Sorry I had work today still there
I'll read the thread tomorrow
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 05:07
and why it makes me mafia, of all things
Of all things?
El Barto
12-18-2016, 05:08
and why it makes me mafia, of all thingsOf all things?
Obviously Visor is a neutral survivor. :clown:
Actually, my bad, somehow I transposed you and Dp101. My apologies, my only excuse is I was bouncing back and forth between reading and cleaning. I still don't like the jump on you by the masses, but obviously the other part no longer stands. I need to go back now and reread what you said about it instead of Dp, but I'm likely still going to be pushing for Cass because no one else seems to be systematically approaching the idea, and I like that style.
As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.
how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself? why would that even warrant lynching me anyways?
this whole line of thought leading to your vote on me just seems like wolfy non-logic
El Barto
12-18-2016, 05:29
Does the vote-counter script work with all these colours?
Does the vote-counter script work with all these colours?
is this like last game again, where you care more about the counter's functionality than the votes themselves?
El Barto
12-18-2016, 05:37
is this like last game again, where you care more about the counter's functionality than the votes themselves?
Nah, last game I was mafia and kept expecting you lot to lynch atpg, which you kept failing to do.
Basically I'm OMGUS'ing Renata and voting for myself to be elected supreme ruler of the universe for now. :)
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 05:44
how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself?
Zack (5): Renata, GH, Zack, Choxorn, Montmorency
Nothing against you Zack, but it's time to break the early-lead advantage that invariably appears in this type of vote.
Unvote: Zack
Vote: Cass
Cass, we can only have 3 or 5 districts in this game. 7 is unavailable as there is no Chancellor to redistrict yet, and tomorrow there will be 19 players. Just to clarify that.
Now, holding people accountable for votes needs to happen (in your view I assume) regardless of how representatives act, so the question is then: is it practical to enact or enforce, and if so will it actually keep voters accountable more than its absence?
Ty for numbers #themathsarehard
I get that abstinence from voting sometimes adds info in itself and that incorrect Town votes get used as ammunition by scum, so the bold is the million dollar question...
I wish you'd given your own opinion/answer!
In short I don't want a world where each phase sees only the representative's votes up for analysis.
I think not taking a clear stance in this setup that voting is expected from everybody ups the chance that Scum just coast through and we minimise the information we have to work with in each phase.
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 06:18
I wish you'd given your own opinion/answer!
I don't know buddy, just take my vote and lead me.
El Barto
12-18-2016, 06:32
I think Cass_ is a lass.
Also, for an alternative to Zack, vote me!
just gut feeling about her early posts really
My vote for Zack is a combination of the early jump on him making me leery combined with the way he talks about using the chancellorship. As most votes are during this stage, it's just a pressure vote.
Why Dp over myself, I don't know anyone here, so I have no reads on any of you, except for Dp. I feel putting myself in the position of power doesn't benefit the group in any way, and this gives me someone that I've watched in a few games (as host no less) and so the possibility of getting additional information out of him increases as he becomes more high profile.
Basically, I'm working with what I have.
As to you, currently it appears to stand between you and Zack, who I don't want to get the job for the above mentioned reasons. IF another valid option comes along, I'll be happy to evaluate it, but again, you work with what you've got.
Ok for now except really early votes for a Representative/Chancellor with a "I'm lost" attitude seems strange to me.
Bold seems awkward for a reason to vote Dp101 when he was already contributing.
You should only vote me if you think I'm Towny enough for the role and that reasoning should have nothing to do with Zack.
Early Zack attention is freaky but in itself it's null wrt his own alignment imo, so many other players are involved and it can be twisted either way.
Do you have thoughts/leans on anyone else?
That randomly included Visor post shouldn't be there cos lolEarlyVisor reads, but my gut leant it probably Towny motivation.
See where it goes.
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 07:19
Aaandd in that case, representatives breaking the trust of their electors should be scrutinised heavily, and either way would probably provide valuable information for/through the next day, as long as as it isn't done by every representative in every phase.
?
Orrrr, is it smarter scum hunting strategy to elect people as representatives and force them to vote/justify their cases of their own volition, without direct input from their districts?
That allows mafia to hide in the mass. better that EVERYONE is accountable for who they wish voted and reps accountable for what they do with those thoughts
He claims double vote, and leaves it hanging.
what exactly do you want him to do with it? hes not a rep so he cant use it yet.
Also I think his claim helps put a towny sign on him. For mafia getting to be a rep and keeping DV secret is a better option. That way they can hide it and shrug and go idunno when it goes weird
But then who are we going to vote on? How are we going to find mafia?
its called scum hunting. that doesn't change
My vote for Zack is a combination of the early jump on him making me leery combined with the way he talks about using the chancellorship. As most votes are during this stage, it's just a pressure vote.
Why Dp over myself, I don't know anyone here, so I have no reads on any of you, except for Dp. I feel putting myself in the position of power doesn't benefit the group in any way, and this gives me someone that I've watched in a few games (as host no less) and so the possibility of getting additional information out of him increases as he becomes more high profile. Basically, I'm working with what I have.
As to you, currently it appears to stand between you and Zack, who I don't want to get the job for the above mentioned reasons. IF another valid option comes along, I'll be happy to evaluate it, but again, you work with what you've got.
I like this post. feels towny.
Also you not being familiar with people might be a really good reason to put you in charge D1. Have you just read off classic actions/reactions etc
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 07:20
@PIZZA can we get a VC plz? iv lost track of my own vote never mind other peoples
how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself? why would that even warrant lynching me anyways?
this whole line of thought leading to your vote on me just seems like wolfy non-logic
Quarter of the players, as noted below. Also, there was another side to that argument, which yes, I was looking at the wrong person, but that means the above argument didn't exist in a vacuum. If you want to call me scummy for getting mixed up, knock yourself out, but don't try to pretend I only made half of the arguments that I typed out.
Riedquat
12-18-2016, 07:22
Winston Hughes BSmith Csargo Riedquat El Barto Monstrbro
gimme power please
As you wish!
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
:clown:
Ok for now except really early votes for a Representative/Chancellor with a "I'm lost" attitude seems strange to me.
Bold seems awkward for a reason to vote Dp101 when he was already contributing.
You should only vote me if you think I'm Towny enough for the role and that reasoning should have nothing to do with Zack.
Early Zack attention is freaky but in itself it's null wrt his own alignment imo, so many other players are involved and it can be twisted either way.
Do you have thoughts/leans on anyone else?
I'm sorry, I thought I made that clear when I said I liked the style in which you were approaching the role. It felt solid towny. It wasn't in response to Zack, there were just only two options and I didn't, and still don't, like the speed at which votes piled on to him.
As to thoughts or leans, I'd say Dp is acting weird, but he's like a cat walking across a hot buttered skillet on a good day, so this is really par for the course here. Beyond that, not really no. I don't even have a lean per se on Zack, I just didn't like the attention he got. I'm positive that Jabbz guy is Town, beyond that, I'll get back to you tomorrow when I wake up. Night all.
As to thoughts or leans, I'd say Dp is acting weird, but he's like a cat walking across a hot buttered skillet on a good day, so this is really par for the course here.
Ok, when you wake up, you need to tell me what this simile is meant to evoke, cause I'm really confused.
Actually, my bad, somehow I transposed you and Dp101. My apologies, my only excuse is I was bouncing back and forth between reading and cleaning. I still don't like the jump on you by the masses, but obviously the other part no longer stands. I need to go back now and reread what you said about it instead of Dp, but I'm likely still going to be pushing for Cass because no one else seems to be systematically approaching the idea, and I like that style.
As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.
This reconsideration looks good and logic wrt confusing Dp checks out.
And ftr, Town have lynched wolves D1 in DM games pretty frequently. Not always 'drastic mistakes' on their part, just good pressure in the right places and straight talking from Townies.
Again, everyone just be awesome and hunt hard!
I think Cass_ is a lass.
Also, for an alternative to Zack, vote me!
I've been a lass in every game I've played, regardless as alignment :p
Do you propose yourself as an alternative to Zack as red or green vote?
You're a long way from Green for me :( If that's your aim you're going to have to step it onto the 'not-deliberately-scummy-all-the-time-because-whatever' side of things and use your time and wit to be Towny. Glgl!
Other thoughts: Monty's thing with Visor requires popcorn and input from other players.
Visor claimed double voter.
What do we do with that?
I say elect him as voter for his district and see what pans out.
or lynch him.
But I don't currently want to do that. Want real reasons from everybody before that becomes a thing.
Sooh, Dice, where you at?
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 07:43
For mafia getting to be a rep and keeping DV secret is a better option. That way they can hide it and shrug and go idunno when it goes weird
That's silly.
Also you not being familiar with people might be a really good reason to put you in charge D1. Have you just read off classic actions/reactions etc
Why him over you Dice?
How many people besides Sooh and I are you familiar with here?
You read off classic actions/reactions too and Town!You isn't traditionally afraid to bellow out your own gut scum reads for lynch vote on those?
Monstrbro...
*Pokepokepokepokepokepokepokepokepoke* Get in here!
Vote: Cuthillius cause I feel like the worst person to be put in charge of a D1 lynch and all the candidates who have posted in the thread have either just come out of a stressful voting situation in their previous game or are new here, so right now just going for someone who will probably be rational if they ever show up. I dunno, hard to vote in a district of lurkers.
Vote: GH because he seems to have his head on straight and is decently trustworthy.
Vote: Winston Hughes cause I want him to return to us.
All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.
Vote: Zack
Vote: GH
You're perfectly welcome to put up an alternative choice and advocate for him/her. This is a democracy, after all.
I would not decline the position if it was offered to me, however, I would rather see Zack as Chancellor.
Vote: GH because he seems to have his head on straight and is decently trustworthy.
(that was Dp101)
.....what?
those are GH's only game related posts and you think he has his head on straight and is decently trustworthy because of that?
Dammit, must have gotten people mixed up again. Let me reread the thread, I must have misattributed some posts.
Screw it, I'm reading the thread and can't come up with any candidates that I like for my district. Visor, you seem town, who from my district do you think would do a good job at voting correctly?
Screw it, I'm reading the thread and can't come up with any candidates that I like for my district. Visor, you seem town, who from my district do you think would do a good job at voting correctly?
Why are you reading me town so early?
Schema - not posted
Cuthillius - not posted
Renata - okay
Choxorn - 1 post
Dp101 - you, i need to reread you
Jabbz - ehhhhhhhhhh
dicetosser1 - okay
probably renata at this point
I will replicate your chancellor vote too, since that is the one you rightfully pointed out as bad, I'm just doubting my other one too.
Why are you reading me town so early?
Honestly I am feeling lost and confused after talking about mechanics to the point where I feel my ideas for how to play this are really really bad, and you seem like a voice of reason that I can latch on to for now. Your insistence on ending mechanics talk feels like the right choice and not something mafia would be interested in at this point, so I am inclined to trust you.
Any strong villager or wolf reads?
(that was Dp101)
.....what?
those are GH's only game related posts and you think he has his head on straight and is decently trustworthy because of that?
seems like some good posts to me
Any strong villager or wolf reads?
I would have thought you had seem enough of my games so far to know that I rarely have strong reads, especially at this stage. Anyway, Cass seems town, Zack's train of support feels really weird but his tone is town, Sooh is at least not W/W with you, but isn't looking that town, Monty is talking about mechanics a little more than I would have expected, but given that I have proved incapable of reading him he stays at null. Renata seems like her usual self along with Jabbz, both town for now. Everyone else is pretty much null due to lack of posts or being Barto.
seems like some good posts to me
Help help, my sarcasm detector is broken, are you being serious or not?
dicetosser1
12-18-2016, 09:13
That's silly.
WHY is it silly?
Why him over you Dice?
How many people besides Sooh and I are you familiar with here?
You read off classic actions/reactions too and Town!You isn't traditionally afraid to bellow out your own gut scum reads for lynch vote on those?
You know that if I do it im gonna listen to other people but am still likely to go my own way. And I don't think people are going to like that especially if town dies which numerically is more likely.
Plus im not totally up on the mechanism for this. If districts got a QT id be fine with it, if im just gonna have to go from what I see in thread im in trouble cause I have no idea how to iso on DM let alone here. Althou timewise this WOULD be the perfect week for me to do this.
im not against it im just not pushing it
Pizza said when recruiting ive played with a few here but tbh I don't remember my other game/s here and it was long enuff ago that I had to reregister. Ive played 1 with visor on perc and am in the middle of one atm on jn with him but that's about it.
is monstrbro our monstr/manbat??
Montmorency
12-18-2016, 09:21
WHY is it silly?
Because the same would apply to a town player.
Honestly I am feeling lost and confused after talking about mechanics to the point where I feel my ideas for how to play this are really really bad, and you seem like a voice of reason that I can latch on to for now. Your insistence on ending mechanics talk feels like the right choice and not something mafia would be interested in at this point, so I am inclined to trust you.
I don't think any of us understand or have the perfect solution for mechanics here, so if you're Town definitely don't let that get you down.
I would have thought you had seem enough of my games so far to know that I rarely have strong reads, especially at this stage. Anyway, Cass seems town, Zack's train of support feels really weird but his tone is town, Sooh is at least not W/W with you, but isn't looking that town, Monty is talking about mechanics a little more than I would have expected, but given that I have proved incapable of reading him he stays at null. Renata seems like her usual self along with Jabbz, both town for now. Everyone else is pretty much null due to lack of posts or being Barto.
Can you elaborate on Renata? I haven't got any particularly strong Town vibes from her posts/ISO at this point.
What's standing out to me so far is a focus mostly on mechanics and banter, and a possibly opportunistic vote on Jabbz who seems pretty Towny in follow-up.
Early game though and I have no meta on her. What makes you think she's Town?
WHY is it silly?
You know that if I do it im gonna listen to other people but am still likely to go my own way. And I don't think people are going to like that especially if town dies which numerically is more likely.
Plus im not totally up on the mechanism for this. If districts got a QT id be fine with it, if im just gonna have to go from what I see in thread im in trouble cause I have no idea how to iso on DM let alone here. Althou timewise this WOULD be the perfect week for me to do this.
im not against it im just not pushing it
Pizza said when recruiting ive played with a few here but tbh I don't remember my other game/s here and it was long enuff ago that I had to reregister. Ive played 1 with visor on perc and am in the middle of one atm on jn with him but that's about it.
is monstrbro our monstr/manbat??
There's a possibility here that Scum depend on Town pulling itself apart D1 and would take a deliberate step back from the heat of being a rep.
You taking a step back and making suggestions for someone else to take the wheel when you're a kind of "I'll do it MY way" player is kind of my point.
Who cares if people don't like your vote? If you like it and can defend it, why wouldn't you want it to count?
If you're Town just scumhunt. Do you. Justify your position and let us figure out if it's Scummy or not. Like normal.
ISO here is by going to the main gameroom, then clicking on the number of replies link next to this game, then the number of posts link next to the player you want to ISO.
I'm running with the theory that monstrbro has to be ours unless people confirm otherwise, I suggested to Pizza he might like this setup since he's hunting for new ways to Town, and how many players are gonna run with 'monstr' spelt that way?
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