Small Mafia Game Representative Democracy [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 9

Cass_

12-23-2016, 12:32

Winston Hughes,

I could answer that question a whole lot clearer if a) I could quote it and b) if I'd read Zack's ISO.

My GTH read at the moment is.... russian roulette?

Early game, nope, couldn't see the Towny intent, felt like hedging and just stirring from the sidelines/not thinking critically/trying to solve.

Somewhat mitigated by the splash through his ISO in Star Fox where tone/attitude is similar. Plus the fact there have been a few relaxed posts that may be ok?

I have concerns that he was a bit like this in Rappers, especially with the Visor-Cuth VV Showdown that went down there, with him carefully leading it on UTR from the side.

Currently these concerns are followed by maybe it's just difference in playstyles between him and I /maybe just me/paranoia - I know I tend to give too much attention to too many emergent reads based on possibilities being triggered by stuff that other players tend to find insignificant.
(Like early this game it was him being not suspicious of being voted for Chancellor before he'd even posted. If I'd been in his position it would have really ruffled me/I would have felt set up). Focusing on this sort of stuff sometimes works for me, but it can also lead to a lot of wtf tunnels so I'm hesitant to push before I'm caught up. Which I'm not, so grain of salt and all that.

Being quite honest, the size of Zack's ISO (which I would have to read carefully as a whole to feel more confident in an actual alignmentdecision either way) scares me.

TLDR Not really, but I'm not read up on him. I'm working on limited time but if you pull out the stuff you're thinking/analysing I can give thoughts on it while I catch up?

Have you found/do you have other concerns besides perceiving a lack of Towny intent?

Cass_

12-23-2016, 12:38

Also, on that, I find it interesting that Zack and Atheotes haven't voted for a rep in our District?

Part of me considers letting someone else take the leadership for this vote, but lolParanoia that that might be scum's plan depending on where I vote to lynch?

Zack and Atheotes what are you thinking/ what do you want to do?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 12:45

As promised, I've looked at Zack's case for the defence around choxorn's death, but I still don't get it.

I mean, I can see that he's not sticking his neck out to try and save chox, but nor is anyone else, not least because the chox lynch came up on the outside, emerging from the pack late and defying the fact that both the chancellor nor the claimed double-voter were voting elsewhere.

This is the only really relevant post I can find from Zack:

it bothers me a little that renata isn't really considering herself for any position when i'd think she would be a pretty good candidate

On the most charitable interpretation, I guess this could be taken as very slightly supportive of the chox lynch, albeit indirectly, by suggesting Renata put herself forward for the rep position. It's worth noting, however, than Dp101 was clearly in line for the rep position at that point, and he was already following Renata on chox.

The least charitable interpretation would be that it's throwing a hint of shade at Renata, intended to make the author of the case on chox look a little less trustworthy.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 12:50

Yey New Quotes!

I was a little suspicious of Renata. But once i saw her response to Choxorn's post, it was a mindmeld which made me change my read on her. So yes, i thought Choxorn was wolfy.
barto was still my first choice though. And i did not want you to go for a 4th candidate (outside of Chox, Cuth & Barto)

Last thing you said was to choose between Chox and Cuth? No mention of Barto as a part of that choice at the time. Hence why the vote on Barto over Chox stands out.

Cass, please choose between Choxorn and Cuth

Can't give you ISOs, but here are the games:

Town (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-Concluded)
Town (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-Concluded)
Scum (https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/notw-lvii-tempus-fugit-game-thread.563169/) (subbed in D2)
Scum (https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/notw-lvi-the-demon-council-game-thread.551992/)

Fair warning: I only posted about ten times in each of those scum games.

(Just be grateful I decided that the game where I posted only in quotes from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas didn't really count.)

Thanks
Thanks

red dwarf would be a better example

Thanks

Noting you comment here despite originally saying my whole request was stupid. Can't figure out where your head is aaat

Visor

12-23-2016, 12:54

So whats this going to be

Cuth/Barto/GH?

Cuth/x/GH

Cuth/Schema/GH

Cuth/BSmith or inactive/GH

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 13:34

Being quite honest, the size of Zack's ISO (which I would have to read carefully as a whole to feel more confident in an actual alignmentdecision either way) scares me.

Aye, and it's not just the number of posts that makes it difficult - it's the lack of clarity and consolidation of his opinions, meaning that you often have to read a load of context to understand what he's saying at all.

Have you found/do you have other concerns besides perceiving a lack of Towny intent?

Not really. I wasn't minded to push him for the lynch today before he pulled his defence-by-emotion bit, and I'm by no means convinced that he's actually scum.

At this stage, I don't want to put any more time into reading him, as there are other people who need a closer look.

Renata

12-23-2016, 13:48

I'd like to see any of GH, Cuth and one of the inactives up for lynch. I'd like to say about Csargo that if he comes back to to put in a valid lynch vote, lynch him, because otherwise I think he might be facing wrath of Pizza right now. Not positive though. Otherwise, any of the others is fine by me.

I haven't done the work I need to do on Schema or Zack, to say anything useful about them.

I may not post again today, I'm up against some stressful shit until after the deadline, hopefully thatll be the end of it but I can't be sure. I'll see how it goes.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 13:48

GH's D1 substance:

Morning all.

Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?

Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.

DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.

Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.

The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.
This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.

Vote: Sooh
Let me elaborate on this, Zack's been taking a pretty common-sense "we want townies as district representatives/idk what my plan is going to be, a lot of it will be depending on the game flow" tactic when questioned about his strategy, which is exactly what I'd expect from town Zack in a position of power.
[Referring to Jabbz] Definitely not seeing the incorruptible pure pureness that other folks have talked about, but I'm not ready to tar and feather him as an enemy of the state quite yet.

Gimme a sec for athetoes.
Townread to dicetosser.

It was because of a bet.

Visor

12-23-2016, 13:55

GH/Zack, winston?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:09

GH's D2 substance:

Okay so when I checked in on Monday a few hours after the lynch I had 13 pages staring at me. So if you ask me for specifics on what happened in the final 24 hours of D1, you're going to be out of luck.

I saw that Renata made a nice point on someone not following a logical train of thought (hell, that might have even been choxorn?) so I like her.

Somebody else had a good argument too that I noticed but I might be imagining things.

Oh also I'm perfectly fine with Cass remaining entrenched in power for as long as possible considering the result yesterday.

Vote: Cass_
What even is the Pizza strategy at this point?

FWIW I think scum Visor is more likely to try to keep the entire team alive for as long as possible, so I don't see him trying to pull something weird like that off on D1.
I'll be honest, I'm half-tempted to vote for Monstrbro and/or Zack to be lynched simply because it will cut down on my reading time and perhaps allow half of the other players to get a word in, but the problem is that I just don't see their interactions, particularly Monstrbro's, as something that a mafioso could pull off. Especially with regards to volume.

As it appears Cuthilius is my main competition, even though I'm obviously not going to get elected district rep anytime soon, I'm just going to do the sensible thing here and

Vote: Cuthilius

There was probably a case on him at some point but I couldn't remember the finer details in the Black Hole of Calcutta that is... well... this entire game, basically.
I want people to make a note of those who are pushing my lynch for "not making a case" and yet totally giving people like Csargo/Al Sips/Riedquat etc. a pass when the only difference seems to be that I'm at least posting more. I'm pretty sure at least one of the people on my wagon, especially those who are using this logic, are scum looking for an easy victim.
This appears to be the CONSENSUS READS LIST and not my own:

Cleared by D1
Cass
Dp101
Renata
atheotes

Good vibes
Monstrbro
Winston
Visor
Jabbz

Slightly less good vibes
Zack
Schema
dicetosser

Monty
Monty

Low posters
Csargo
Al Sipsclar
Riedquat
BSmith

Lynchbait
El Barto
GH
Cuthilius

Let's assume four scum. I think, contrary to popular belief, we're going to find at least one in some of the upper categories. Not the topmost obviously, unless there was a serious error in thought during the late stages of D1, but I'm guessing 1-2 in the combined "vibes" categories plus Monty, 1 in the low posters, and 1 in the lynchbait. The reason for this is simple: it's never that easy, and the consensus is never 100% accurate.

If the situation does look to be as rosy for town as it appears, then I'd pin down Schema as a possible maf that's higher up the reads list. Her(?) D2 has shown some warning signs:

[Responding to Schema's post 1203]

This was never properly explained and Schema instead in future posts went with the handwave defenses of "for now" and "I have reasons".

There is a decent amount of "I'm not scum partners with Cuth" and attacks on Cuth, which could strike me as a maf doing a partial deflection because she perceives the town as attacking the right target but for the wrong reasons. I don't think it's likely that Schema and Cuth are m/m but if Cuth is the lynch and flips town... well.

[Responding to Schema's post 1744]

Tone feels somewhat off for me (don't like the first paragraph/sentence especially) but this could just be a lack of familiarity with her meta.

Bottom line is though that if the PoE is working but isn't 100% I'm probably shooting Schema.

~~~~~~~~~~

This is a little unorthodox, but I would also not complain if one of the extremely high posters was lynched today (I guess Cuth would count for this as well) just to allow the thread to breathe a bit and see if it makes things any more appealing for the low posters to offer their thoughts without them. If they start being able to contribute, great. If not, we should probably start sharpening our scythes or otherwise it will be as Monstrbro said in 1773.
[Responding to Monstr switching dice and Jabbz in the consensus list]

I won't fight you on that, I remember pretty much only Zack beating the drum about Jabbz getting townread and him openly wondering why there's not more suspicion towards him, so that's what caused me to put Jabbz in the upper vibes tier.

[Responding to Monstr saying all scum unlikely to be in the inactive zone]

Precisely.
So let's say my "consensus PoE isn't correct, jump around the categories" theory wins the day. Shot in the dark, I need to pick out four scum right now, in order:

Cuthilius - wait for flip
> if town, Schema
> if scum, Jabbz
Riedquat, for the hell of it
Jabbs if not already shot, Barto if Jabbz isn't an option

And then Askthepizzaguy to be totally safe.
I think when Schema was taking heat earlier she was doth protesting too much about a possible M/M linkage between her and Cuth. Struck me as one of those "partially true" defenses.
[Responding to Renata]

Going by Monty's tally near the top of Page 59, it looks like my current voters thusfar are you, Monstrbro, and Cuth (I could have sworn that there were more but I guess you always assume the outlook's worse for you than it actually is when votes are staring you in the face). Of the three I don't really see you or Monstrbro being scum so I guess it would be Cuth, but I was speaking more of the general concept.
Let me clear up the bolded sentence you quoted.

(This is a universe where Schema is maf but Cuth is town)

The sequence of votes is that Cuth has votes and Schema's taking some heat.
Schema sees, whether real or imagined, people linking her to Cuth.
Schema wants to defend this, makes a couple of posts saying the link to her and Cuth is off base.
Partial defenses always ring truer than entirely fabricated defenses, Schema takes the tactic that "we can't be M/M because X Y and Z", that part she mostly focuses on is her affiliation with Cuth, that's not a lie (they're not M/M together) so all's good.

~~~~~~

In a universe where Cuth *is* scum then Schema's stated defense makes sense and I don't see them being mafia together.Note: there were quite a few posts I left out here that were not irrelevant, but didn't really add anything new to the discussion.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:11

GH/Zack, winston?

GH/Zack/chox would mean the scum came out all guns blazing to try and take the throne right from the start.

Not impossible, I guess, but I would be rather surprised if they were that full-on about it.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:20

First thing I'd say about GH is that his D2 has shown far more skin than his D1, to the point where I'm tempted to let him slide for today in the hope that he'll keep getting better as we go on.

It's still not great, though. There's the vague impression of a townie mind, but I'm not getting that warm, fuzzy feeling just yet. So far, there's nothing I'd put past him to fake.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 14:21

Monty maybe not a WTL today after rest of (this game) ISO.

There's a lot more direct questioning and less generalised sideline comments than earlier on, so on general principles he's moving up.
FTR I do struggle to see how someone as analytical as he appears to be missed the differences between Chox's play but tinfoil can maybe rest for a while and I'll go look somewhere else for now.

In other news, gonna YOLO that interactions don't feel WW.

To be more specific, why do you (GH) dismiss the bold, and why does it look like Schema-scum if Cuth is town? What exactly is your relational argument here for opposite alignment, since the relation seems to be the focus?

Why isn't it a wash, either?

Let me clear up the bolded sentence you quoted.

(This is a universe where Schema is maf but Cuth is town)

The sequence of votes is that Cuth has votes and Schema's taking some heat.
Schema sees, whether real or imagined, people linking her to Cuth.
Schema wants to defend this, makes a couple of posts saying the link to her and Cuth is off base.
Partial defenses always ring truer than entirely fabricated defenses, Schema takes the tactic that "we can't be M/M because X Y and Z", that part she mostly focuses on is her affiliation with Cuth, that's not a lie (they're not M/M together) so all's good.

~~~~~~

In a universe where Cuth *is* scum then Schema's stated defense makes sense and I don't see them being mafia together.

You didn't recall it? I'm asking why you didn't include yourself in the big choxorn related post you made at start of day. You dragged out quotes from everybody who ever said a word about him but left out yourself. Why did you make that choice?

Because it isn't important to me.

Montmorency:

I mean, here's your post. You represent it at the outset as being explicitly about "the choxorn affair", and then you talk about everybody involved except yourself. The focus on Visor doesn't come until later.

It's not comprehensive. Frankly, the exchange between you and me had no bearing on how players related to Choxorn and how that in turn could relate to Visor.

Nooo

Renata, most of your ISO links are broken btw.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:32

Looking at Schema now. My impression of the early stuff is good. Don't know who I'm reading here, though.

Anyone give me some meta info on experience, style, skills, etc?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:46

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

Well damn. New informations.

Can you explain your change, please?

Was this picked up already?

Unlikely w/w?

Visor

12-23-2016, 14:47

Was this picked up already?

Unlikely w/w?

Yes, I mentioned it, though I find that interaction to not be clearing in the slightest. I find Cuth appealing to Schema to vote him as representative at EOD1 to be far more clearing of w/w.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:47

What's the current strength of your scumread on Cuth, Visor?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:50

Vote: Riedquat

This is just precautionary, in case something unexpectedly stops me from voting later on.

Visor

12-23-2016, 14:53

What's the current strength of your scumread on Cuth, Visor?

Part of me wants to say, he's just having a really really bad game in terms of appearing townie, but I'm a softie. Some of his moves have been bizarre from any alignment, but Cuth does continue to baffle me in most games. His interactions rarely seem to be pushing the game forward, more replying to whatever happens to be in the thread at the time, his progressions on other players just seem too... quick to jump to conclusions and the conclusions he DOES make seem wrong or too weird/strange.

The other issue is, his progression on me is what he would have to do if he was scum, but he might genuinely have it as town.

Look, I can't clear him and I never will this game. I'm at the doubting stage because of how stagnant the game seems to feel, feels like the POE is mostly sorted here.

I feel like my scumread on him is fairly strong, he has a large amount of things against him that I agree with, but there is the little nagging voice that says, maybe he's just having an off game?

But I don't feel like I can listen to that voice with how he has played this game and specifically today. I might reread his posts today and see how they flow, if they're more of a okay we lynched scum, lets springboard off there, or its an okay we lynched scum, how can I control this situation.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 14:54

I… I can't make sense of most of what people say. I read the first hundred unread posts out of >400, then my brain again started to feel as if if were melting into cheese. So any analysis comes from those posts plus one in which Cass_ used the mention feature.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/which-movies-have-you-watched-not-an-iota-of-bad-movies-but-maybe-bad-taste.549653/page-29#post-14606841

I OMGUS a lot, especially in the earlier stages of the game. When vanilla town. (if you want to treat that as a hardclaim, by all means).

It wasn't my first post and it was obviously a joke post addressed at Winston. And yes, my username on CFC is Takhisis.

He might seriously be a power role but I doubt it.

I don't find the move odd. I find the procedure itself odd. Town strikes gold, yes, but someone being very scummy could not be lynched because the chancellor and/or representatives of the day felt otherwise. We have a gerrymanderable lynch vote.

btw if you hadn't dropped that mention I would have skipped straight through your post, as I said above.

i kinda like that el barto post, maybe

Yeah, there will need to be more, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Cuthillius Winston
Walk me through why?

Tbh I don't see anything Towny about it apart from the fact it has more words. There's still no hunting. It's self-talk and a general comment about the mechanics of the game. The bottom part potentially suggests he's only looking at those things, so there's an excuse, but it doesn't make it Town play.

Re-ISO'd and there has been no content since then.

Still at square one/WTL for me.

unvote

These guys on the other hand...

Summary of Riedquat's meaningful contributions thus far:

*Votes Visor for all three categories on D1.
*Votes Winston for the D2 election + suspects Visor.
*Orders his town reads within district 2: Winston, Monstr, Visor, El Barto.
*Acknowledges his own and others' scumminess by reason of inactivity.

Summary of BSmith's meaningful contributions thus far:

*D1 votes Winston for rep, Visor for chancellor, and Al Sips for lynch, claiming he hasn't read the thread yet.
*Changes rep vote to Visor to test his ability claim.
*D2 votes Winston for rep + calls Visor and Winston townie + votes Cuth for lynch on the Sooh thing + says Monty is 'making good cases' + various other obvious reads

BSmith's read of Monty is the closest thing to a deviation from the path of least resistance in those two ISOs.

But I'm not sure if that makes him more scummy than Riedquat or less.

Mindmeld with bold and would suggest that it makes Riedquat's contributions possibly more genuine?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 14:56

Finishing off Schema's D1 ISO, it all looks fairly townie to me.

Nothing that I want to cuddle up with in front of the fire, but nothing I want to leave freezing outside in the snow either.

Visor

12-23-2016, 14:57

Finishing off Schema's D1 ISO, it all looks fairly townie to me.

Nothing that I want to cuddle up with in front of the fire, but nothing I want to leave freezing outside in the snow either.

That was my feeling after her D1 too. I need to see more though, more leading on her part in terms of pushing her own reads.

Visor

12-23-2016, 15:02

Vote: Cuthillius

Alright, rereading his ISO I can't in good faith let him live another day.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 15:05

Part of me wants to say, he's just having a really really bad game in terms of appearing townie, but I'm a softie. Some of his moves have been bizarre from any alignment, but Cuth does continue to baffle me in most games. His interactions rarely seem to be pushing the game forward, more replying to whatever happens to be in the thread at the time, his progressions on other players just seem too... quick to jump to conclusions and the conclusions he DOES make seem wrong or too weird/strange.

The other issue is, his progression on me is what he would have to do if he was scum, but he might genuinely have it as town.

Look, I can't clear him and I never will this game. I'm at the doubting stage because of how stagnant the game seems to feel, feels like the POE is mostly sorted here.

I feel like my scumread on him is fairly strong, he has a large amount of things against him that I agree with, but there is the little nagging voice that says, maybe he's just having an off game?

But I don't feel like I can listen to that voice with how he has played this game and specifically today. I might reread his posts today and see how they flow, if they're more of a okay we lynched scum, lets springboard off there, or its an okay we lynched scum, how can I control this situation.

Since when with the bold?

I understand all the other thoughts, but I've never seen you give quarter for a performance you think is poor.

Visor

12-23-2016, 15:10

Since when with the bold?

I understand all the other thoughts, but I've never seen you give quarter for a performance you think is poor.

Just cause I don't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. :knuddel:

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2016, 15:11

Moderator note: This is a friendly reminder that this is a GAME and we are all here to have fun. If this is no longer the case for you, it is more productive for everyone if you step away from the computer for a while and do something else, not lash out at the other players.

Thank you for your understanding. :bow:

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 15:12

Walk me through why?

It was just a gut reaction from me. Can't really explain it, except to say I felt encouraged that maybe he might be preparing to give us more.

That he hasn't done so since is disappointing, and means he's still high on the suspect list.

Mindmeld with bold and would suggest that it makes Riedquat's contributions possibly more genuine?

Relatively? Yeah, I guess it might.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 15:18

I'm campaigning for District 1 today.

Vote: Schema

I can't see what the point of this is from scum. It's obviously never going to happen, and it's too likely to draw suspicion to be worth a shot for some kind of derpclear.

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 15:19

FTR I do struggle to see how someone as analytical as he

I'm not sure what to make of that.

Visor

12-23-2016, 15:22

Winston, how's your read on Cuth?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 15:25

The rest of Schema's D2 is meh.

Loss of energy isn't necessarily scummy, but it's certainly less townie.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 15:28

Winston, how's your read on Cuth?

Mostly, I flip-flop between thinking he looks terrible and thinking my ability to read him is terrible.

There have been moments where, in the flow of the thread, I've thought he doesn't look quite so bad, but they never really stand up to much on review.

One thing seems certain: if we lynched him and he showed up scum, the game would get a lot simpler.

And that makes me nervous.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 16:07

From the 100+ posters, only Zack and Cuth are currently in my poe. I'm still a bit leery of Monty, but he's grown on me as the game has gone on.

From the middle band, GH and El Barto are in there. Ideally, I'd need to do proper rereads on Jabbz, dicetosser and atheotes, but my family will be getting home early soon, so that won't be happening today. Out of the three, I guess Jabbz is the scummiest based on my own reads and others' reactions.

All of the sub-20 posters are in there. Checking them again, I'm inclined to give Al and Ried passes for today, leaving Csargo and BSmith as the options.

unvote

Vote: Csargo

Defaulting to the suspect who's shown the least skin while I let things percolate some more.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 16:09

Zack
Cuth
GH
El Barto
BSmith
Csargo

All opinions on the above will be gratefully received, especially from each other.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 16:20

Host note-

I'll be doing my own tally soon, a second set of eyes doing the tally would be appreciated for comparison.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 16:24

Not gonna lie. This game is taxing my ability to keep up. Sad thing is that I am probably spending more RL time on this game than one I am able to participate in more. I don’t like posting without being caught up on the thread, and just getting caught up is taking more time than I have in a day.

Anyway, no more excuses.

I’m fine with either Visor or vote: Winston for our rep. Renata, DP and Cass all obvious town at this point (or at least clear enough to focus elsewhere). Town lean on Visor and Winston, mainly based on tone what I would expect from them. Note that they are good at looking town, so not ready to go all in on that assessment. Csargo and Al I can’t really get on too much as I am in the exact same boat wrt to keeping up. Reid has I think one post, so basically null, but I would have expected at least some more “I can’t keep up” types of posts if that was indeed the case.

I agree that the vote: Cuth transition on the Sooh case is odd.

I actually understand his point is what I was trying to get at. Usually that is not so easy. I can see his logic.

That said the case on Cuth resonates with me more.

El Barto and Zack aren’t really being helpful at this point, Barto mainly being his normal self, and Zack started helpful but Zack’s mood seems to have gotten in his way. Monty is making some good cases. Many other new names here that I just don’t have a lot of history on.

First paragraph and a bit could come straight from my head so tempted to lean that Towny, also aware that's dumb.

Rest is very thread consensus plus new suspicion at Reid, which could go either way. Probably not going to vote here today but there's nothing that puts BS in the clear.

BSmith

What cases do you like of Monty's?
Do you have/Can you make a read of GH?

What about Cuth's transition on the Sooh case bothers you in particular?

I have been back and forth on the Cuth-votes-Sooh thing. I don't think Scum votes there , solo at EoD even if they're trying to redirect a lynch - too much insta-pressure when the PR/Townie flips. Unless they're counting on this exact WIFOM to clear them, which is just convoluted and less likely.

TLDR hinging on that and the Visor-Scum by Monty Case (which I still don't understand) is slightly sus to me.

Riedquat

12-23-2016, 16:47

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck! :stare:

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 16:49

Host note-

I'll be doing my own tally soon, a second set of eyes doing the tally would be appreciated for comparison.

Did you see my Tally # B2? Up to date through post #2001.

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 16:53

Yeah, Riedquat is town. Cass and DP, please close the Cuthilius case while we still have the Pristine Triumvirate.

atheotes

12-23-2016, 16:57

i think i should have some time close to EOD. But cant be 100% sure.
So Vote: Cass

I did not like GH's starting posts day. They sounded very fake.

Vote: GH

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 17:34

This is what I have. Double check me, send corrections via PM or mention me here.

Person District/Lynch

Schema dp101 / ---
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / ---
Jabbz dp101 / ---
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Csargo
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Cuth
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / ---
Cass_ --- / ---
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack --- / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:03

Just cause I don't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. :knuddel:

I know you're a softie at heart. My point was I don't think I've seen you make that allowance as Town when you play.

?Pocket?attempt almost successful with the :knuddle: though

I'm not sure what to make of that.
That I'm not sure if you're covering by saying you didn't read the differences between Chox's games, or that you really didn't see the differences.

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck! :stare:

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

Yeah, Riedquat is town. Cass and DP, please close the Cuthilius case while we still have the Pristine Triumvirate.

Vote: Cuthilius because he is so valuable a piece of the puzzle, though GH is more suspect. Zack should not be lynched, though he and Winston are now wrestling in the murk. Whichever eats the other is probably demon scum.

I am really struggling with this. As far as I can tell, Cuth has more 'possi-easy' votes on him than any other player. Which makes him more likely to be either reeeeeeeeeeaaally scummy or lynch bait.

Lynching players for info should not be a thing. Find the scummiest player and vote there imo.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:07

And is the 'Riedquat is town' thing serious or no? I'm tired and can't figure it out.

What makes them Town?

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 18:10

I was referring to "someone as analytical as [Montmorency]".

Cuth best lynch. Strongly consider.

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:13

So whats this going to be

Cuth/Barto/GH?

Cuth/x/GH

Cuth/Schema/GH

Cuth/BSmith or inactive/GH

i recommend option b) no

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:19

Zack
Cuth
GH
El Barto
BSmith
Csargo

All opinions on the above will be gratefully received, especially from each other.

i'm town

don't lynch zack today, or probably tomorrow

i haven't a clue about csargo

bsmith was one of the people who was like "Yeah that case is great" when the case was half-false; admittedly may not have read carefully enough to see but i still found the timing slightly opportunistic and i can't remember anything else from his posts

El Barto i really don't know

GH is my highest scum, just from chox spew/underwhelming posting/i think he normally posts more, and more game-related stuff, even with a lot of posts

i dunno

highest scum doesn't really mean that much for me rn

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 18:22

I was referring to "someone as analytical as [Montmorency]".

Cuth best lynch. Strongly consider.

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

I can understand this I get a villagery vibe from Riedquat but I can't in good conscience call him a villager because there's just not enough there

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:22

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

you literally just said the exact same thing a few posts ago

what do you mean by that; what does his scum game look like

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:28

cass d'you accept hydra games (or turbos lol)

Going through your ISO and cannot lean you either way other than your thoughts seem free flowing and I don't know that Scum come into a game making this much overt-vote-attracting noise. Neither of those things clear you imo.

I already looked at the hydra game we just finished, might try that again but essentially no, I'd prefer 'normal' games for cleaner analysis.

If I can't clear you I'm tempted to let the majority of voters have their way and lynch you for info tbh, so if you're Town you'd need to find a game that's easily comparable to how you've played here. If you're Scum, just carry on.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:32

i'm town

don't lynch zack today, or probably tomorrow

i haven't a clue about csargo

bsmith was one of the people who was like "Yeah that case is great" when the case was half-false; admittedly may not have read carefully enough to see but i still found the timing slightly opportunistic and i can't remember anything else from his posts

El Barto i really don't know

GH is my highest scum, just from chox spew/underwhelming posting/i think he normally posts more, and more game-related stuff, even with a lot of posts

i dunno

highest scum doesn't really mean that much for me rn

Why don't lynch Zack?
What makes you think he's Town?
What has he contributed that's valuable to Town?

(Zack, don't get up in arms, this isn't a push, moving to your ISO in a moment for my own opinion, I just want Cuth's thoughts on the board).

Zack

12-23-2016, 18:33

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:34

wth

choxorn was not in the immediate lynch range if you ignore reps

it was not like oh do i lynch sooh or barto or choxorn

it was literally guys we should pick one of sooh or barto or something bc otherwise we're not going to lynch town

again, not considering reps

if i had gone after chox, i would be a psychic

you're basically complaining that i didn't suggest everyone lynch the scum, when... the scum was not a main lynch target

i'm sorry, why didn't YOU lynch choxorn

Why would you ignore the only votes that count?

Zack

12-23-2016, 18:36

Vote: Zack

Ignore the phone typos in the above post

Cass_

12-23-2016, 18:38

I was a little suspicious of Renata. But once i saw her response to Choxorn's post, it was a mindmeld which made me change my read on her. So yes, i thought Choxorn was wolfy.
barto was still my first choice though. And i did not want you to go for a 4th candidate (outside of Chox, Cuth & Barto)

Atheotes you specifically asked me to choose between only Cuth and Chox.

You never mentioned Barto.

Why wouldn't you want me choosing from a PoE that includes your top scum read?

It doesn't add up.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 18:42

No winston

You did my play made more sense driving towards a scum win

I then pointed out that i did exactly nothing to save choxorn from his gate, which is a direct contradiction from the above

You then dismissed this as emotional manipulation (???) and seem to have intentionally or accidentally misunderstood the point. I didn't say i pushed choxorn, i didn't. I pointed out a flaw in your characterization of me.

The absence of an attempt to save chox is not evidence of anything.

You weren't in any position to save him.

To the contrary, it looks to me like such an attempt would only have made you look scummy at the time, let alone after he flipped.

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 18:42

you literally just said the exact same thing a few posts ago

what do you mean by that; what does his scum game look like

No I didn't. ISOISO Futuramafia and Confections here. You were there.

Zack

12-23-2016, 18:47

The absence of an attempt to save chox is not evidence of anything.

You weren't in any position to save him.

To the contrary, it looks to me like such an attempt would only have made you look scummy at the time, let alone after he flipped.

Regardless i don't know how you can say I'm scum siding when the most obviously beneficial scum play is something i decidedly did not do

Zack

12-23-2016, 18:48

I mean i don't think i have ever had/let a teammate be lynched d1 outside of a turbo, but i suppose pointing that out is just emotional wolf stuff.

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:50

Why would you ignore the only votes that count?

like i said, because i forgot about that mechanic

i was briefly under the impression that popular vote was the thing

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:53

Why don't lynch Zack?
What makes you think he's Town?
What has he contributed that's valuable to Town?

(Zack, don't get up in arms, this isn't a push, moving to your ISO in a moment for my own opinion, I just want Cuth's thoughts on the board).

he's had moments that make me think he's town

in particular near the end/after the argument about visor's case on me the other night and after winston's push on him

i can't say i'm convinced of his towniness, and there are things that make me worry wrt his tone

but i think he's both, in this game at least, possible to lynch later on if necessary, which isn't always the case, and has a decent likelihood of being town

and i'm not sure what to say to the last q

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 18:54

Regardless i don't know how you can say I'm scum siding when the most obviously beneficial scum play is something i decidedly did not do

Because that one thing you didn't do holds very little weight in the context of all the stuff you have done, as well as the other stuff you haven't done.

It's like all you care about is finding something you can use to defend yourself, to the point where you're resting on something that's just irrelevant.

At best, if you're actually town, you're just wasting my time and your own with this bit.

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 18:55

Going through your ISO and cannot lean you either way other than your thoughts seem free flowing and I don't know that Scum come into a game making this much overt-vote-attracting noise. Neither of those things clear you imo.

I already looked at the hydra game we just finished, might try that again but essentially no, I'd prefer 'normal' games for cleaner analysis.

If I can't clear you I'm tempted to let the majority of voters have their way and lynch you for info tbh, so if you're Town you'd need to find a game that's easily comparable to how you've played here. If you're Scum, just carry on.

then that's going to be harder since i haven't played a ton and there is a decent amount of variance

for example the last two org games i died because i was trying to hold back on posting and ended up in the weird spot between the two styles i'm really accustomed to, which are not talking much and faster mu-type

gimme a sec

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 18:58

I don't want to hear any more defence from you, Zack.

It didn't help last night, and its not helping now.

Talk about something else other than yourself.

Zack

12-23-2016, 18:59

Because that one thing you didn't do holds very little weight in the context of all the stuff you have done, as well as the other stuff you haven't done.

It's like all you care about is finding something you can use to defend yourself, to the point where you're resting on something that's just irrelevant.

At best, if you're actually town, you're just wasting my time and your own with this bit.
So anything i can possibly say is arbitrarily decided to be irrelevant or simply emotional manipulation and a good townie would have just at there and turn it up the ass and fine nothing

Literally nothing i could possibly do would ever satisfy you, which is why i said you're being ridiculous. It's the same thing as jabbz. Just contortions to suit confirmation bias.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:01

I don't want to hear any more defence from you, Zack.

It didn't help last night, and its not helping now.

Talk about something else other than yourself.

The are literally hundreds of posts of me doing that

The only current topic of the thread is me, my opinions on others are still the same

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:01

mafia, my most recent MU game and fairly representative of what i do as scum- also because apart from that i'd have to go back a long time (at least 8 months before this one, i think) to when i was an even worse player, so this is the one you get

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/5032-Mountainous-Mafia-A-Mafia-About-Mountains

my last town MU non-turbo non-hydra game, which was in August

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3198-Org-CFC-and-MTGS-inter-forum-invitational-exhibition-game

and two org games, both of which i was kinda slanking in for parts and just played absolutely terribly the whole game through, from august and november

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-Concluded
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-Concluded

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:11

here now. All decided for the day?

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:12

he's had moments that make me think he's town

in particular near the end/after the argument about visor's case on me the other night and after winston's push on him

i can't say i'm convinced of his towniness, and there are things that make me worry wrt his tone

but i think he's both, in this game at least, possible to lynch later on if necessary, which isn't always the case, and has a decent likelihood of being town

and i'm not sure what to say to the last q

Why? What made you think that (are you referring to his being upset in both cases?) was Town!Zack, instead of NullZack/ScumZack?

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:13

Cuth the lack of any paragraphs in your posts this game and the attitude to which you have approached visor, the wording you've used against him and the case you made to defend yourself and your arguments fit the scum game more than the town game. I understand that bad games happen but you were pretty god damn villagery in the first village game you posted.

I am gonna check your two games on org to compare though

If you're a villager I know you can do better and if you don't do better I might have to lynch you

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:13

Schema

Vote: Schema

Hi.

Hi hi.

If it's seriously down to Cuth v. GH, I don't know. Can't do both.

My thoughts on GH were and are: D1 lack of interest/solviness, detachment, what felt like a forced tone that carried over into early D2, where it seemed more like he was looking for ANYTHING suspect to latch onto instead of actually wanting to solve the game.

On Cuth: All over the place, really bad EOD Sooh stuff. Reads to me like a scummate was up for vote in District 1 and he wanted to make a last effort to save him.

Given the time of year and how a lot of people are playing more detached rn, and what we've seen about Cuth's progressions and lack thereof, and how much revolves around Cuth.

Vote: Cuthillius

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 19:13

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:15

You were a villager in the org games?

Whatever, I've witnessed you post better. I guess it's not that bad of a look anymore but you had a fire about you in the MU game that just seems lacking here

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:15

Who are your top villagers outside of the Brady bunch (Renata etc), schema?

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:16

Though I guess I can't do anything to you because it looks like Zack is the candidate from my district

But still

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:16

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:17

Hi hi.

If it's seriously down to Cuth v. GH, I don't know. Can't do both.

My thoughts on GH were and are: D1 lack of interest/solviness, detachment, what felt like a forced tone that carried over into early D2, where it seemed more like he was looking for ANYTHING suspect to latch onto instead of actually wanting to solve the game.

On Cuth: All over the place, really bad EOD Sooh stuff. Reads to me like a scummate was up for vote in District 1 and he wanted to make a last effort to save him.

Given the time of year and how a lot of people are playing more detached rn, and what we've seen about Cuth's progressions and lack thereof, and how much revolves around Cuth.

Vote: Cuthillius

explain to me what the time of year and more detachedness has to do with your vote, please

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:17

Dp101

Need to vote

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:17

lool

that town game i was trying to do full sentences because of mtgs people and org doing the same

read literally any of my mu games

both the hydras

ignore the punctuation and paragraph idea

I saw that on org you cut your words down differently after a quick iso

But you've still been more villagery I've seen it

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:18

Why? What made you think that (are you referring to his being upset in both cases?) was Town!Zack, instead of NullZack/ScumZack?

tone /shrug

Al Sipsclar

12-23-2016, 19:18

Vote: Monty

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:19

Vote: Monty

Spicy

Reasons?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 19:20

If Dp101 doesn't show as the deadline gets close, I'll switch my vote to whoever Cass wants as her second choice, assuming she's not happy with my current vote.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:20

unvote

Vote: Zack

There's no effort to help here. It's just self-serving demands to be lock-cleared for something that isn't even evidence.

Whatever opinions he's supposed to hold are buried in a gigantic pile of spam, and his refusal to make even the slightest effort to help others follow them is straight anti-town at this point.

I never said lock clear lol? I pointed at a flaw in your argument

It is not a gigantic pile that's a gross exaggeration. If you can't find anything you didn't look very hard

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:20

Regardless i don't know how you can say I'm scum siding when the most obviously beneficial scum play is something i decidedly did not do

Current list of leans with reasons?

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:21

Who are your top villagers outside of the Brady bunch (Renata etc), schema?

Me.

But seriously, dice, Monstr, probably Zack. Monty's play's been strange and I've gone back and forth there. Not a real strong feel on Winston but I'm inclined to think town. I'm not caught up on D2 to inform my earlier reads further.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:21

Current list of leans with reasons?

Oh my god does anyone read my posts or just pretend to

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:21

Vote: Monty

Hi there. Got evil?

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:22

Could be prudent for d1 people to be around to vote in another candidate, iirc elected candidates not voting.is punished according to op

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:22

@Monstr, same question for you

Who are your Current Villagers and PoE with reasons why?

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:22

I saw that on org you cut your words down differently after a quick iso

But you've still been more villagery I've seen it

i'm not denying i've been more villagery

i'm more direct and pushy as scum

i have a hard time making extra effort as either alignment

especially as scum

as far as things that are maybe helpful but not really worth the work

like ISOing

but given the fact that i rarely ever do that until the end of the game it's meh

but generally i would say i'm more aggressive in scum games, although i can dial it back and wait things out while still posting a lot, i tend to do that when i've done what i felt i could/needed to and am waiting either to die or for town to kill itself

nudge in right direction and lean back a little

mm

yeah i dunno

the differences between the scum and town games aren't huge

but they're there

maybe more subconsciously than anything

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:22

Atheotes you specifically asked me to choose between only Cuth and Chox.

You never mentioned Barto.

Why wouldn't you want me choosing from a PoE that includes your top scum read?

It doesn't add up.

I was just calling it as i felt. It was also a means to test you. My vote did not matter so did not bother changing it to Chox.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:23

Cuth jabbz and barto for reasons i have already explained

To a lesser extent bsmith for reasons i have also already explained

I am on my phone so I'm not digging it up

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:23

Oh my god does anyone read my posts or just pretend to

I'm going there, but the thing is a maze, can you stop hollering whymefryme and just answer please.

Dp101

12-23-2016, 19:23

I'm here Vote: GH

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:23

The biggest problem with your game cuth is that you howl in either alignment

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:23

Cuth jabbz and barto for reasons i have already explained

To a lesser extent bsmith for reasons i have also already explained

I am on my phone so I'm not digging it up

Thank you

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:23

i'm not denying i've been more villagery

i'm more direct and pushy as scum

i have a hard time making extra effort as either alignment

especially as scum

as far as things that are maybe helpful but not really worth the work

like ISOing

but given the fact that i rarely ever do that until the end of the game it's meh

but generally i would say i'm more aggressive in scum games, although i can dial it back and wait things out while still posting a lot, i tend to do that when i've done what i felt i could/needed to and am waiting either to die or for town to kill itself

nudge in right direction and lean back a little

mm

yeah i dunno

the differences between the scum and town games aren't huge

but they're there

maybe more subconsciously than anything

Meh I still think you're a villager

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:24

zack

i will say

you're not contributing as much as you say you are

it's not like your posts have been chock full of content

i've been in many games where they have

this is not one of them

you've been talking about certain things, mostly attacking or defending a very narrow idea

and almost off-topic commentating

so please stop saying "read my posts"

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:24

explain to me what the time of year and more detachedness has to do with your vote, please

Please explain to me why you won't talk about what I addressed regarding your play and are instead focusing on everything else around it?

It's the holidays, this is a post-heavy game with a lot of distracted people, what more about that really needs to be said? I'm leaning toward you because of the reason I stated. That should be the thing you address.

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:24

Current list of leans with reasons?

Cass, i think it is better for you to post your reads now. It is quite possible you may not be alive tomorrow.
and i think we are close to deadline.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:25

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:25

I'm here Vote: GH

Thumbs up. Let's see where this goes.

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:25

Vote: visor

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:26

Did Renata post her updated reads?

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:26

Meh on gh has to be a better lynch available then that

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:26

Looks like gh, zack, and your third choice cass

Who are you thinking

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:27

@Monstr, same question for you

Who are your Current Villagers and PoE with reasons why?

I've gone back and forth on a lot of people but I mean I kinda echo zack's sentiment here. I've made my reads pretty apparent multiple times and they haven't changed just cause I went to bed

Not really in the mood to reiterate myself

I mean, I kinda feel like the town is heading in ALL the wrong directions right now but I don't have a complete picture yet. I would lynch an inactive before a bunch of the wagons we have

I would say I've become more or less confident in a GH lynch but I haven't. He had a decently villagery post a ways back that seemed to jump all over thread consensus but he's still just kind of seemed... there. I've even found more reason to townread many of the inactives so

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:27

Vote: visor

Spicy

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:27

Did Renata post her updated reads?

No she said she was busy

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:27

Meh I still think you're a villager

Monstr, did you ever supply thoughts on GH? Have not had time to read back but I thought I saw your vote there. If your vote wasn't going to GH, where would it go today?

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:27

The biggest problem with your game cuth is that you howl in either alignment

there's something to be said for that point of view, perhaps

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:29

There is definitely more than people are insinuating

but there's not enough for you to say that properly

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:29

No she said she was busy

too bad.

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:29

Monstr, did you ever supply thoughts on GH? Have not had time to read back but I thought I saw your vote there. If your vote wasn't going to GH, where would it go today?

Cuth is a prime candidate for resolution but I think there are better ways than lynching him, or at least I want to give him a day

I guess I can see the case on Zack but his tone resonates with me in a way I can't explain

I would look somewhere the village isn't looking right now that's been decidedly absent

Like jabbz

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:31

Jabbz has fallen off a cliff

But it is Christmas :shrug:

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:31

Please explain to me why you won't talk about what I addressed regarding your play and are instead focusing on everything else around it?

It's the holidays, this is a post-heavy game with a lot of distracted people, what more about that really needs to be said? I'm leaning toward you because of the reason I stated. That should be the thing you address.

i'm asking why you put that in the area with the reasons

that's like

it's raining and i'm sitting in a chair and you're scummy

therefore i shall vote you

or did you put that there for a reason?

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:31

Yes please

Jabbz did nothing but tunnel me yesterday for silly made up reasons and disappeared today

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:31

BSmith hasn't said anything that makes me say "no don't lynch this guy he could be a villager"

Compared to Riedquat and Al who have at least at times posted things that make me go "I think a villager could plausibly think that"

So of the inactives I'd look there first if any? Don't think he's a od lynch today given the wagon situation

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:31

Looks like gh, zack, and your third choice cass

Who are you thinking

Thoughts on Zack pls?

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:32

Od lynch = good lynch

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:32

Thoughts on Zack pls?

Good guy

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:32

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:32

Od lynch = good lynch

hm?

Dp101

12-23-2016, 19:33

Vote: visor

m8 pls

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:33

Zack is hit and miss for me this game, I want to give him another day though

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:33

m8 pls

Winston's getting elected it doesn't matter

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:34

i'm asking why you put that in the area with the reasons

that's like

it's raining and i'm sitting in a chair and you're scummy

therefore i shall vote you

or did you put that there for a reason?

To explain that given the candidate with less interest/content and the candidate who did something overtly scummy in appearance, I wanted to vote for the person who did something overtly scummy.

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 19:34

hm?

Read my previous post

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 19:35

I never said lock clear lol? I pointed at a flaw in your argument

But it's not a flaw in anything. It's just an excuse for dismissing my suspicions as ridiculous.

And, whether you said it or not, it seems very much to me that you're implying you should be cleared off the back of it.

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:35

Good guy

Define good.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:35

I know i was supposed to stop defending myself and take it like a good boy

But as wolf i typically try to snuggle/pocket town leaders which is opposite if what I've done here. I've directly antagonized every district rep

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:35

Define good.

Suave and dashing

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:37

But it's not a flaw in anything. It's just an excuse for dismissing my suspicions as ridiculous.

And, whether you said it or not, it seems very much to me that you're implying you should be cleared off the back of it.

Oh my god who cares

Get a grip a lynch a wolf

I am going to explode if i am mislynched d2 on this site two games in a row

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:39

Winston and zack drop it

Pick it up tomorrow

Cuth/gh/(Riedquat/Smith/sips)?

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:39

Winston and zack drop it

Pick it up tomorrow

Cuth/gh/(Riedquat/Smith/sips)?

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:41

I'm leaving today down on Zack, but perhaps more down on Winston. His words are the evil.

Please lynch GH or Cuth. These agendas need clearing.

Oh my god who cares

Get a grip a lynch a wolf

I am going to explode if i am mislynched d2 on this site two games in a row

You died N2. Oh yeah, you mean Confections. Great game!

Cuth/gh/(Riedquat/Smith/sips)?

Dude, you can't think Riedquat in there.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:42

riedquat and sips are just lurkers

don't think that's enough on its own to call them wolves when their few posts haven't been terrible

I would put csargo in before those two

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:42

I selfishly want cuth to die as he is poisoning my play thus game by being so lolcuth it's hard to ignore

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:43

well al's have been mostly fineish

i actually don't really remember quat's

Cuthillius

12-23-2016, 19:44

I selfishly want cuth to die as he is poisoning my play thus game by being so lolcuth it's hard to ignore

lol

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 19:45

Reading and trying to catch up before deadline. Dropping this in case I don't finish before deadline. Vote: BSmith.

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:45

Also it would mean my wolf.list d1 would be 2/2 so far if he.flipped wolf

Cass, you around?

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 19:46

I'll happily stop talking about Zack, and if Cass wants someone else in the lynch zone, I'll change my vote.

Schema

12-23-2016, 19:46

Winston and zack drop it

Pick it up tomorrow

Cuth/gh/(Riedquat/Smith/sips)?

Pick one more in the mid-post range, not one of the low posters. I agree with Zack on Csargo.

One more. Who else?

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:47

well al's have been mostly fineish

i actually don't really remember quat's

He're Riedquat's latest, descending:

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck! :stare:

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

Was saying when forum ate my post...

This is awful weird... if zack isn't town I'll eat everybody's hats!

I do not see how you can vote he and not me for example...

I've read all this day and I prefer to be lynched twice before attempting to read day 1 again!

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:48

Pick one more in the mid-post range, not one of the low posters. I agree with Zack on Csargo.

One more. Who else?

Who is even left, Jabbz?

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:48

He're Riedquat's latest, descending:

That isn't villagery for Riedquat

Dp101

12-23-2016, 19:48

Who is even left, Jabbz?

Yes, but no, he is town.

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:49

That isn't villagery for Riedquat

:stare:

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:49

Second post is a little admittedly

But the other two meh

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:49

Ok. Zack ISO wrt scum hunting.

Pushes Jabbz for OMGUS/intro post.
Questions/disagrees with Dp on Jabbz and BSmith.
No reasons why ZACK would have them in his scum leans apart from Jabbz OMGUS that I can see.
Questions of why people are understanding Monty's Visor push.

So Zack.

I can see who, but apart from Jabbz OMGUS and Monty's Visor push not making sense - both of which were early on, there's nothing in the thread that shows us WHY you have them top scum.

Other things that have reasons

meh

i said his reads list was cool beans because i mostly agreed with it

but then i looked back at it and it was basically just consensus

i don't think he's really done anything significant

he's someone i've never been better than rand at reading

wouldn't lynch him yet

This wrt Al Sips

i actually briefly considered this possibility

but i think it was mostly borne out of wanting a chancellor who's not going to cause night to be extended constantly

though barto and cuth are both wolfy

but cass was pretty towny yesterday and also it's a ridiculous conspiracy

also because she was voting barto but picked choxorn which i thought was odd

but she would have known she was going to become the rep anyways and could have changed her vote if that was going to be a problem

also why would she be voting a wolf in the first place to get to that spot

Analysis here is logical and correct. And I like it but also <.<

hmmm

sorta interesting

i want to say it is a slight bad look for jabbz and slight good for visor but i kinda doubt choxorn was really paying close attention to who cuth and renata were voting to lynch at the time

though it would suit my confirmation bias nicely

FTR this was in response to Visor suggesting Chox spew made sense with Cuth scum.

I haven't seen any reasons to here in ISO why Jabbz. IIRC the reason was OMGUS to start with.

Jabbz reads pure to me on tone, and bsmith's lack of time feels authentic, although the fact that their cases are basically just sheeping is making me rethink their place on the list, back to null for them.

that seems weak fo rjabbz and i don't quite get it

that seems completely null for bsmith and idk why you would think that's towny

what do you think of his comment that monty "makes good cases" then ignoring them to vote cuth, a case purported by the main person monty is casing

it's pretty bizarre and he didn't really have an answer for it, though to be fair i don't think i quite posed it to him that way specifically

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:50

Districts being redrawn is quite likely. Can we please talk abt this?
Want 5 districts.
El Barto, Cuth, GH, maybe Csargo, Monty - whoever is not lynched should be in different districts.
cass, Renata, Dp, Visor, Winston and myself - the 5 who are alive in separate districts as well.

Riedquat

12-23-2016, 19:50

No I didn't. ISOISO Futuramafia and Confections here. You were there.

In confections was SK and in futuramafia felt like one that couldn't kill, in that game you can ISO me like scum but also as townie if you ignore all my lies :laugh4:

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:50

Zack

Cass_ [Still Chancellor]
Dp101
Renata
atheotes

Monstrbro
Visor

Winston Hughes
dicetosser1
Al Sipsclar
Schema

GeneralHankerchief
Riedquat
Csargo
Montmorency
BSmith

Cuthillius
Jabbz
El Barto

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:50

Csargo is probably going to get WoG'ed

Rest is all consensus

:shrug:

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:51

Also it would mean my wolf.list d1 would be 2/2 so far if he.flipped wolf

Cass, you around?

I'm here.

Trying to figure where the next vote for consideration needs to go irt my possi-scum feels.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:52

Csargo is probably going to get WoG'ed

Rest is all consensus

:shrug:

at the very least jabbz is not consensus

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:53

oh you were talking to athetoes

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:53

Vote: Cass

Vote: El Barto

atheotes

12-23-2016, 19:53

I'll happily stop talking about Zack, and if Cass wants someone else in the lynch zone, I'll change my vote.

I dont like this post. if you think someone is scum try to convince the other districts to vote with you. if not try to push your 2nd read.
Why do you want Cass to decide? as long as you are not voting GH, she gets to choose anyway.

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:54

Deus vult cass

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:54

Zack

Cass_ [Still Chancellor]
Dp101
Renata
atheotes

Monstrbro
Visor

Winston Hughes
dicetosser1
Al Sipsclar
Schema

GeneralHankerchief
Riedquat
Csargo
Montmorency
BSmith

Cuthillius
Jabbz
El Barto

Why so low on me?

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:55

So we're at Zack, Barto and GH if I've figured that correctly?

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:55

Cass, not sure approve. May trigger coup.

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:55

Why so low on me?

you're weird and I strongly dislike your fascination with visor all game

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:56

Cass, not sure approve. May trigger coup.

don't really understand how you could possibly be townreading barto here

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:57

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:57

So we're at Zack, Barto and GH if I've figured that correctly?

Believe so

Take the full time to decide please

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 19:57

I dont like this post. if you think someone is scum try to convince the other districts to vote with you. if not try to push your 2nd read.
Why do you want Cass to decide? as long as you are not voting GH, she gets to choose anyway.

I've stated my reasons at length, as well as my reads on others.

Given that Cass showed last night the benefit of having viable options beyond her own vote in the final reckoning, and given that my vote is irrelevant if she doesn't share the read, I'm happy to change my vote at her request.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 19:57

Cass, not sure approve. May trigger coup.

Explain why you don't approve

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 19:57

don't really understand how you could possibly be townreading barto here

Null. Why lynch today? Or if not lynch, why set up another tiebreaker with him?

you're weird and I strongly dislike your fascination with visor all game

It;s been on hold for half the game lol.

Visor

12-23-2016, 19:58

Thoughts on Cuth over zack for the three?

Zack

12-23-2016, 19:58

Kind of freaking me out wrt Zack case that he asked me first what I thought too.

Zack/Cuth ppl?

can you rephrase this, i don't understand what you're saying

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:00

Null. Why lynch today? Or if not lynch, why set up another tiebreaker with him?

It;s been on hold for half the game lol.

what would bart have to do to elevate him to a scumread instead of null?

atheotes

12-23-2016, 20:02

Kind of freaking me out wrt Zack case that he asked me first what I thought too.

Zack/Cuth ppl?

Cuth

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 20:06

Jabbz has fallen off a cliff

But it is Christmas :shrug:

Cuth is a prime candidate for resolution but I think there are better ways than lynching him, or at least I want to give him a day

I guess I can see the case on Zack but his tone resonates with me in a way I can't explain

I would look somewhere the village isn't looking right now that's been decidedly absent

Like jabbz

I spent most of the last two days drugged to the gills. Pinched a nerve in my neck. Pretty sure I posted about it, if not, my apologies.

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:07

Kind of freaking me out wrt Zack case that he asked me first what I thought too.

Zack/Cuth ppl?

Cuth.

My latest thought is more annoyance that he addressed everything in my reply to him but my actual case against him.

Zack has taken a bit more of a balanced view of the game, questioning everything.

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:07

Oh I think I did read this somewhere now that you mention it

My bad, all good

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 20:09

what would bart have to do to elevate him to a scumread instead of null?

How could a person possibly answer this kind of question?

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:09

I spent most of the last two days drugged to the gills. Pinched a nerve in my neck. Pretty sure I posted about it, if not, my apologies.

Welcome back, Jabbz. Hope you feel better.

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:10

Schema, your defence of zack is... A little sketchy.

It feels generic and vague

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:10

I spent most of the last two days drugged to the gills. Pinched a nerve in my neck. Pretty sure I posted about it, if not, my apologies.

Oh right sorry. :(

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:11

How could a person possibly answer this kind of question?

it was rhetorical

i assume you think he's null just because of who it is

he's done nothing even remotely villagery and has shown zero interest in anything game-related

so i'm wondering what it would take for you to actually scumread him instead of just saying "null, it's barto"

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 20:13

No worries, it was literally I think a 2 sentence post in the sea of day 2. Pains down enough now where I don't have to be on drugs, so that's a plus. On the plus plus side, I don't have to do anything on my "two days before christmas honeydo list."

Caught up, should have a more constructive vote post than I placed a bit ago. No time for ISO's so will be more general thoughts.

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:13

Schema, your defence of zack is... A little sketchy.

It feels generic and vague

It's my impression at this point in the game. I'm not going to harvest posts rn @ EOD. But it's no more and no less generic than your thoughts on GH when I asked you on D1.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 20:14

In case you hadn't noticed, Jabbz, there's only ~15 minutes to the deadline.

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2016, 20:14

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 20:14

I spent most of the last two days drugged to the gills. Pinched a nerve in my neck. Pretty sure I posted about it, if not, my apologies.

No probs. Post away friend, reads are appreciated

If you did post that I didn't see it

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:16

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:16

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:16

It's my impression at this point in the game. I'm not going to harvest posts rn @ EOD. But it's no more and no less generic than your thoughts on GH when I asked you on D1.

I posted more about him later that day

At that time.you asked he had nothing at all so idk why you care

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:17

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

Nah, we're good with what you've given us.

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 20:17

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 20:18

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:18

yeah seems fine

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2016, 20:18

Barto's on my list of people to shoot, so I'm 100% okay with his lynch should our Chancellor go that route.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:18

Cuth.

My latest thought is more annoyance that he addressed everything in my reply to him but my actual case against him.

Zack has taken a bit more of a balanced view of the game, questioning everything.

What's your case against him?

Honestly, if someone can explain to me why Cuth is scum beyond attacking Visor or voting a claimed PR I could consider going there.

Both those options seem like suicide to me if Scum and easy pickings for votes against him if he's Town.

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:19

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

thoughts on cuth/me/barto

those are the possible lynchees other than yourself

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:19

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:19

Nah I agree with give Zack another day

Monstr, this is probably total tinfoil but you sketch me out. Generally <3

Ily though

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 20:20

Monstr, this is probably total tinfoil but you sketch me out. Generally <3

Ily though

Stop smoking so much pot then

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:20

Ok, now Cuth/Barto ?

I'm currently strategically for going Barto since he's contributed the least out of Zack/Cuth/GH/Barto and they seem to where we're actually currently at.

Am I even making sense?

And ftr the pulling back from Zack is mostly because Visor seems Villagery as hell Turbo-read-styles to me right now and wanted to give Zack another day.

Am I crazy?

No more crazy than the rest of us.

Let's put it this way. Visor

I have LESS desire to lynch Zack than others. I haven't had time to read back through D2 to build a case on his overt towniness or scumminess, and so what I have to go on is my impression. If it were me in your shoes, I would too be giving him another day but keeping an eye open.

I think the fact that both the GH and Cuth wagons have been nice and full and going all day means that there's something there to pursue.

Renewed interest in Barto not bad, either.

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2016, 20:21

thoughts on cuth/me/barto

those are the possible lynchees other than yourself

In order of personal preference:

- Cuth will provide resolution to the most things
- Barto's been around but hasn't been as much in the thread, not sure if this is a mafia tell for him or not but it probably isn't a good sign. See my most recent post.
- You're most likely town IMO.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 20:22

You want me to switch Zack for Cuth, Cass?

It seems like I'm in a very small minority thinking there's anything to be suspicious about with the Z man.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:22

it's not that he did those things, it's how

there was no logical progression

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 20:22

Ok. Zack ISO wrt scum hunting.

Pushes Jabbz for OMGUS/intro post.
Questions/disagrees with Dp on Jabbz and BSmith.
No reasons why ZACK would have them in his scum leans apart from Jabbz OMGUS that I can see.
Questions of why people are understanding Monty's Visor push.

So Zack.

I can see who, but apart from Jabbz OMGUS and Monty's Visor push not making sense - both of which were early on, there's nothing in the thread that shows us WHY you have them top scum.

I haven't seen any reasons to here in ISO why Jabbz. IIRC the reason was OMGUS to start with.

I think this is part of why I'm pretty down on Zack. I get an omgus on day 1, and I did make a rather egregious mistake, which was the grounding of my vote against him in the first place. What I don't get is him being on my case for the next 96ish hours. I will give him credit for not focusing solely on me, but despite the arguments he's put against others for why they might be scum, some of which are fairly solid, he still has me at the bottom of his list with nothing new to add.

The other part is that he is just making the game less fun to play. He's raging at people for daring to question him. I'm totally down with getting indignant as town when people call you on stuff that you feel 100% doesn't make you look scummy, but this is well beyond that. To each their own and all that, but I find it hard to give credence to arguments that are rooted in ad hominum attacks, ignoring entire posts, and claims like "look at how much I've posted" when a large portion of his posts are like the inside of a twinky, all fluff and filler, and bad for you if you ingest too much.

That being said however, I think there are much better options on the board for day2 lynch. Mainly this is because while I don't care for his style, and there are certainly questions about his arguments, I don't find them inherently scummy, just not overly effective for town, and other posts of his are. I do find him questionable enough however that I wouldn't be sad to see him and his angry posts go away, especially if they showed a nice red tag in the process. On the other side, if he popped town, that's a crapload of confusing posts to go through to try to extrapolate his takes on others in looking for future scum.

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 20:23

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

I agree with this assessment in 9/10 cases btw

(Which is why I've been village reading cuth)

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 20:23

Differences from first tally formatted with underline and italics.

<tbody>

Tally # B3 (Post 2211)

Blue
Green
Red

DISTRICT ONE
Rep
Chancellor
Lynch

Schema
Dp101

Cuth

Cuthillius
Dp101

General Hankerchief

Renata
Dp101

Montmorency

[TR]
Dp101
Dp101

GH

Jabbz
Dp101

BSmith

dicetosser1

El Barto

DISTRICT TWO

Winston Hughes
Winston Hughes

Zack

BSmith
Winston Hughes

Cuthilius

Visor
Winston Hughes

Visor

Csargo
Winston Hughes

Riedquat
Winston Hughes

GH

El Barto
Visor

Monstrbro
Monstrbro

General Hankerchief

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency
Cass

Cuthilius

Al Sipsclar
Cass

Monty

Cass_
Cass

El Barto

GeneralHankerchief
Cass

Cuthilius

Zack
Zack

Cuthilius

atheotes
Cass

GH

</tbody>

it was rhetorical

i assume you think he's null just because of who it is

he's done nothing even remotely villagery and has shown zero interest in anything game-related

so i'm wondering what it would take for you to actually scumread him instead of just saying "null, it's barto"

I'm saying null not because of who he is, but precisely because he has done nothing of note in either direction. Granted, he could be trying to differentiate from last game, but I'll call it similar to old town Barto.

To directly answer the question, if/when he gets real cases going later on, examine them closely as that's where the real cracks should show.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:24

You want me to switch Zack for Cuth, Cass?

It seems like I'm in a very small minority thinking there's anything to be suspicious about with the Z man.

Personally, no, I'd rather not.

But if it comes down to it I'm probably voting Barto over both of them for strategy because none of them are clearly scummy.

I'd hero shoot at Zack but doubt and giving him time and *shrug*

Preferences please @all

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:24

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

yes clearly

i mean it's a oversimplification of things but there's no time for anything else

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 20:24

Differences from previous tally, that is.

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:24

My issue is cuth makes a lot of bad in game decisions so him doing one isn't clearing

Monstrdude

12-23-2016, 20:25

Personally, no, I'd rather not.

But if it comes down to it I'm probably voting Barto over both of them for strategy because none of them are clearly scummy.

I'd hero shoot at Zack but doubt and giving him time and *shrug*

Preferences please @all

This is a logical choice

Idk if it will be right but I believe in you

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:25

What's your case against him?

Honestly, if someone can explain to me why Cuth is scum beyond attacking Visor or voting a claimed PR I could consider going there.

Both those options seem like suicide to me if Scum and easy pickings for votes against him if he's Town.

The Visor-Cuth interactions weren't alignment indicative for me for either of them. It was his EOD maneuvers. That said, they aren't everything either. For his interactions with me, I didn't like how quick he was to make a read on me since I tend to be a scummier townie. A pocket attempt or whatever, it was too decisive. Lacked proper paranoia.

Cuth has a few town points for how engaging he has been, and posting old games threads. I caught that after my vote on him.

No meta to go off? Ehhh... GH/Barto probably the safest shots?

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:26

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 20:27

That's power.

atheotes

12-23-2016, 20:27

fine with Barto

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:28

Eh doesn't matter to me

Happy shooting cass glgl

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 20:28

so much for democracy eh

This is representative democracy.

Pretty much nobody gets what they want.

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:28

yes clearly

i mean it's a oversimplification of things but there's no time for anything else

Do people have massive issues taking out inactive Barto and relooking at Cuth/Zack/GH tomorrow?

IIRC there were links with Barto here and there anyway?

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:29

This is representative democracy.

Pretty much nobody gets what they want.

i was more referring to cass' d1 was largely spent advocating for a system where reps just voted how their constituents did

and she's not really done that at all lol

Schema

12-23-2016, 20:29

Do people have massive issues taking out inactive Barto and relooking at Cuth/Zack/GH tomorrow?

IIRC there were links with Barto here and there anyway?

Deal with the content you have from him as much as the inactivity, please.

Montmorency

12-23-2016, 20:30

Consider it capital expended, Cass.

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:30

Do people have massive issues taking out inactive Barto and relooking at Cuth/Zack/GH tomorrow?

IIRC there were links with Barto here and there anyway?

dunno what else need's to be "relooked" at with cuth he's been gone into in gory detail

but sure shooting barto is fine

Cass_

12-23-2016, 20:30

There's no game related content from Barto other than referencing himself

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 20:30

:30 good

:31 not a legal vote

:32 bad, no posting.

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 20:30

Final thoughts before time. I don't think Zack is likely scum, but I understand why Winston is voting for him. Of the remaining, votes I haven't gotten any screaming scum tells from GH or El Barto. To be fair though, I went through most of day 2 with my cognitive processes impaired, so my reads are questionable at best. Gl all.

Winston Hughes

12-23-2016, 20:30

For what it's worth, one thing a dead Barto is good for is his reads.

The fact he suspected Zack has no bearing on my mentioning this, btw. :hide:

Zack

12-23-2016, 20:31

though i think barto has been scummy

don't shoot him because "inactive"

i've briefly touched on this but no one actually bothers to read most of my posts

Visor

12-23-2016, 20:31

There's no game related content from Barto other than referencing himself

Then go for it I guess

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 20:31

:31

Jabbz

12-23-2016, 20:33

though i think barto has been scummy

don't shoot him because "inactive"

i've briefly touched on this but no one actually bothers to read most of my posts

That might have to do with the volume... Just saying.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 20:35

That might have to do with the volume... Just saying.

Please do not post in the game thread during Night Phase.

(It happens, was close to deadline)

Warning, next is modkill.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 20:38

Tally looks like this, checking for discrepancies. PM me with any.

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema dp101 / Cuth
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / GH
Jabbz dp101 / Bsmith
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Zack
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Visor
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / Monty
Cass_ Cass / Barto
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack Zack / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

Dp would be re-elected district 1, is voting GH

Winston would be elected district 2, is voting Zack

Cass would be re-elected district 3, is voting Barto

Cass would decide tie-break.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 20:48

Those of you waiting for a decision may not get one right away-

Just letting you know, so you don't need to wait and refresh every minute.

It's possible the result will be posted in 24 hours.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 22:17

December, 2018
Madam Chancellor's Palace
aka Casa de Cass-a

A nameless bureaucrat with a pallid complexion approached the throne of the Chancellor in her palatial office, and knelt before her. "Your majesty, I have word from the regional governors. We can now report that dp101 has retained control over district one, and that Winston has achieved victory in district two. And you, your highness, obviously retain absolute control over the third and final district. Everything is proceeding as planned."

"Umm... who are you? And what plan are you talking about? Also, I don't know about this whole 'your majesty' and 'your highness' thing..." said Cass.

A hooded figure appeared behind Cass, and frightened the bejeezus out of her. "Do not be too concerned, Madam Chancellor. Honorifics are merely a way of showing respect. The people love you, and this is how they've chosen to show it. You have done well."

"Um, right. So, about that whole daily execution thing: Can't we just skip it and offer people free cheese and crackers instead?"

"Of course Mistress, if that is what you wish, we can do away with democracy entirely. You don't have to do as the people have asked. You have the power, and no one would think twice. You know you'll always have our support." said the hooded figure.

Cass bristled a bit. "I think I preferred 'Madam Chancellor'... actually, wait, what am I saying? No, I didn't. But, who are these people on these monitors that I'm seeing in... handcuffs and chains?"

"We have already done the exalted Madam Chancellor the courtesy of preparing for your daily... decision. These men have all been tried and convicted in a fair trial of being the guilty traitors among us, who all wish to do away with your Madam highness' government and install some kind of totalitarian state, we think. These monsters deserve no pity, no mercy. All you have to do is to decide which of them must be done away with first! Isn't that grand?"

"Well, as long as they were given a fair trial. We still have those in our country, yes?"

"As Madam Chancellor wishes, certainly, unless, of course, you wish to have the show trials done away with entirely? I doubt very much if the people will mind. They'll know it is for the greater good of us all. Are you prepared to push the button?"

"What button? Also, what did you just say about show trials?"

"These buttons here have just been installed on your Madam majesty's throne, all you have to do is press one of them and we'll be concluded with our official business for the day, and you can skip straight to the banquet hall, where we have prepared a massive feast in your Madam's honor. And anything else you desire will be yours, no questions asked..." whispered the hooded figure.

"Hang on a second..." said Cass, getting up from her throne.

As she did, she pushed one of the buttons, and on the monitor, she saw one of the prisoners burst into flames, and in a few seconds, was completely vaporized.

"What just happened to that man?" asked Cass.

"Well, it's a bit complicated Madam Chancellor, but to put it simply, we have some really large polished mirrors in orbit, and if enough of them are angled correctly, they turn pure and beautiful natural sunlight into absolutely remorseless justice."

Cass gulped.

"Now, if you please, Madam, come this way. There's fun and frivolity to be had" the hooded figure said.

Cass had one last question as she was being led away. "He was guilty, right? As long as he was guilty..."

"Yes, of course, Madam Chancellor, of course. He was a threat to our democracy."

A man was executed by the state. He was...

GeneralhankerchiefAnd it turns out, he was...

An innocent villager, with no special powers.Upon hearing the news, Madam Chancellor's supporters cheered for her again.

Everything was proceeding according to plan.

Fenn replaces Csargo

Do not discuss substitutions.

It is Night!

Please get me night actions, and we'll proceed with no additional delay or extension.

Askthepizzaguy

12-23-2016, 22:18

If I don't get all night actions I'll give an extension. Let's just try to keep this night short, mmk.

It is still night, don't post.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2016, 16:11

Results of night will be posted in delayed fashion as we're having Christmas Eve dinner with family. So might be delayed past the usual 8:30 my time start by an hour or so. I dunno.

Due to Christmas, the following day phase will be extended by a day. So you're getting an extra day, after a late start to Day Phase. That'll end up giving you more time than you would have had, but also fits my schedule. Even with the holidays, you should be able to show up and vote, but for this phase only, if you don't vote, it will be forgiven with no consequences other than shame on your family name for generations to come.

It is still Night.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2016, 21:34

Retaliation for the state-sponsored killings...

While Madam Chancellor-for-life Cass was still massively popular among the people, a small but dedicated resistance movement struck a blow deep inside her administration. This time, they targeted one of her closest allies and associates. He had been tied to his office chair and set on fire, and a message was scrawled on the outside of the building, written in pig's blood.

"For Generalhankerchief!"

dp101 was killed. Vanilla town.

Still alive:

DISTRICT ONE

Schema
Cuthillius
Renata
Jabbz
dicetosser1

DISTRICT TWO [must be redrawn]

Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor
Fenn
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency
Al Sipsclar
Cass_ [Chancellor-for-life]
Zack
atheotes

Districts will need to be re-drawn by the Chancellor within 24 hours.

New district representatives will need to be elected.

No chancellor election.

Today you will be electing district representatives and voting to lynch someone only.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2016, 21:35

@El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=93318)
@Monstrbro (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100476)
@Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
@Cass_ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100059)
@Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=46115)
@Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
@Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
@Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=59017)
@dicetosser1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100477)
@atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23809)
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
@Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=49887)
@Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100481)
@Schema (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100482)
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432)
Fenn
@Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)

IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.

Day lasts 3 days from the usual :30 minute mark. (About an hour ago)

Posting minimums will be ignored today due to the holidays.

Try not to go crazy with the posting with the extra time you were given.

Zack

12-24-2016, 21:40

Why do you keep voting el barto then lynching someone else

I've spent all night wondering if it makes sense for the wolf team to be exactly choxorn/El Barto/Cuth/Cass

I think it kinda does

Zack

12-24-2016, 21:45

As a sidenote, I'll try to post less and be more genteel but no promises. Can't help the way I am sometimes. :shrug:

Zack

12-24-2016, 21:46

Sorry, I ninja-edited "civil" to "genteel" in the above post

full disclosure

Montmorency

12-24-2016, 21:55

I have some stuff to say but sorry, I just got my Christmas pizza. Give me 15-30.

Zack

12-24-2016, 21:56

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema Renata Cass GH
Cuthillius Cuth Zack Sooh
Renata dp101 Cass Choxorn
Choxorn Cuth Zack Al Sipsclar
Dp101 dp101 GH choxorn
Jabbz dp101 Cass Zack
Dicetosser1 Dice Cass Monty

Winston Visor Cass El Barto
Bsmith Visor Visor Al Sips
Visor Visor Visor Cuthillius
Csargo Winston Cass Sooh
Riedquat Visor Visor Visor
El Barto El Barto El Barto Winston
Monstrbro Monstr Monstr Winston

Montmorency GH Cass Visor
Al Sipsclar Zack Cass Bsmith
Sooh Cass Cass atheotes
Cass_ Cass Renata El Barto
Generalhank GH Zack Sooh
Zack Zack Zack Jabbz
Atheotes Cass Winston El barto

District Representative:
Dp101: Representative for District 1 (3/7 votes, winner)
Visor: Representative for District 2 (4/7 votes, winner)
Cass: Representative for District 3 (3/7 votes, winner)

Chancellor: Cass (9/21 votes, winner)
Zack: 4
Visor: 3

Lynch vote: Tie.
Dp votes for Choxorn
Visor votes for Cuthillius
Cass votes for El Barto
choxorn-Cuth-ElBarto tied.

Pop vote:
El Barto: 3
Sooh: 3
choxorn: 2
Al Sips: 2
Visor: 2
Winston: 2
Zack: 1
Monty: 1
GH: 1
Cuth: 1
Bsmith: 1
atheotes: 1
Jabbz: 1

Cass, in her position as chancellor, decides tie.
She can lynch her own suspect, El Barto, or lynch choxorn or Cuth. It’s up to her. But it must be between those three.

Tally looks like this, checking for discrepancies. PM me with any.

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema dp101 / Cuth
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / GH
Jabbz dp101 / Bsmith
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Zack
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Visor
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / Monty
Cass_ Cass / Barto
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack Zack / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

Dp would be re-elected district 1, is voting GH

Winston would be elected district 2, is voting Zack

Cass would be re-elected district 3, is voting Barto

Cass would decide tie-break.
Tallies for both days, spoilered for size.

For Day 1, I don't think she was around for end of day. Maybe she believed Visor's doublevoter claim, reasoned it meant her vote wouldn't really matter so threw it on a teammate for bussing cred, then came back later to find a three-way tie between her 3 teammates and lynched the least important one.

The on Day 2, after spending Day 1 talking nonstop about how the strategy should be for everyone to vote as normal then the district representatives vote according to their constituents, she completely discards this without discussing it further. Her district overwhelmingly voted for Cuth and she was the only person to vote for Barto. She explicitly asked people if they'd prefer Winston to vote for me or Cuth, multiple people responded with all of them voicing a preference for Cuth, then she instructed him to keep his vote on me anyways. Then despite her voting for Barto again, she decides to break the tie by voting for GH, which came out of nowhere, and he flipped town.

She also was throwing some shade at me, commenting how I seemed unconcerned with a lot of people voting me Chancellor when it would have made her paranoid. First, that is nonsensical. Second, a LOT more people voted her than ever voted me, and not only did she not get paranoid about it (as she claimed she would have), she didn't even seem to acknowledge it whatsoever. When she was the only person around in the thread and I was talking with her, she got really uncomfortable and plain weird, demanding why I was "pressuring" her. It was really odd, and I just kind of brushed it aside at the time as a weird thing not to worry too much about, but combined with everything else I need to talk about it.

I don't really think it's that crazy, because I just don't understand her voting and play on D2 as town. It makes no sense to me.

Is there a vote mutiny option?