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Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 00:59
Choxorn, DE, and now Pizza need to die.
How is Diamondeye still even alive?
Choxorn, DE, and now Pizza need to die.
Ah, :daisy:, I was hoping we had another day before a new recruit showed up. ATPG is the obvious recruit. While I would far prefer to see DE dead this round, that's not currently an option due to yesterday's idiotic voting. So, best to go for the Sith we can lynch rather than the Sith we cannot.
Vote: ATPG
How is Diamondeye still even alive?
Simple, DE is perfect lynch bait. He's unlynchable, so that means we waste two days lynching him, which means that's two days that we don't lynch a Sith. Or the other obvious option.
DE should probably not answer choxorn's question in public until he's run it past a few people in private first. He should start by talking to whomever he roleblocked. I still have an instinct that the Sith Lord may be investigation-proof, so I'm less sure of the innocence of those investigated.
It does look like someone was recruited last night. I expect if the Sith Lord can recruit twice on the same night, the Sith Lord can also kill twice on the same night, and additional actions are also probably not out of the question.
I hate to say it, but I rather agree about Pizza. Though possibly not for the same reasons. But I think we really have to remove DE's get-out-of-lynch-free card first.
As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?
I'm not sure what I think about being killed, and what that might mean. Same with Yaropolk.
I don't think it is TinCow, I have another suspect. However, the Sith master needs to go first.
Simple, DE is perfect lynch bait. He's unlynchable, so that means we waste two days lynching him, which means that's two days that we don't lynch a Sith. Or the other obvious option.
But we *have to* remove the get out of lynch free card. Otherwise we could literally have ruled out everyone else as the Sith Lord a couple of days from now and still lose. And he has been SO scummy. Offering up as a defense for not protecting Chaotix that *he* suggested to Chaotix he protect someone else? That doesn't exactly help, does it?
Like I implied but didn't quite say above, on the chance he is Town he should definitely keep quiet about who he's roleblocked and possibly about who he investigated, if that person turns up innocent. Only bring it up if the person is on the verge of being lynched.
I don't think it is TinCow, I have another suspect. However, the Sith master needs to go first.
Let me know what you're thinking?
I hate to say it, but I rather agree about Pizza. Though possibly not for the same reasons. But I think we really have to remove DE's get-out-of-lynch-free card first.
I'm seriously waffling on this issue. If you feel like making a case for why it's better strategically to go for DE this round, even though we can't kill him, I'd like to hear it. 12 alive with 2 mafioso is not a good spot to be in, and my knee-jerk reaction is to try and get rid of the new recruit to reduce the kill rate again.
As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?
Yes, any publicly revealed role who remains alive needs to give a full account of all their actions every single day at this point in the game.
Also, are there any Jedi Masters out there who can kill? I seriously should have killed suspects in-hindsight. The reason I ask is obvious, we need to get the "scumpects" out of the game before the town loses. If we get to the last round with Diamondeye, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn, Psychonaut, TinCow and Johnhughthom are not dead....
Ah, :daisy:, I was hoping we had another day before a new recruit showed up. ATPG is the obvious recruit. While I would far prefer to see DE dead this round, that's not currently an option due to yesterday's idiotic voting. So, best to go for the Sith we can lynch rather than the Sith we cannot.
Vote: ATPG
This is a bad enough suggestion at first thought that it makes me wonder about you yourself being the recruit, TinCow. Removing the recruit helps us only marginally and temporarily. You were insistent on not only lynching once but killing Diamondeye outright yesterday -- now the mere appearance of a recruit has changed your mind? Explain your reasoning for changing your mind much better than you have -- right now I'm not buying it.
I think DE should be "lynched".
I'm seriously waffling on this issue. If you feel like making a case for why it's better strategically to go for DE this round, even though we can't kill him, I'd like to hear it. 12 alive with 2 mafioso is not a good spot to be in, and my knee-jerk reaction is to try and get rid of the new recruit to reduce the kill rate again.
Yes, any publicly revealed role who remains alive needs to give a full account of all their actions every single day at this point in the game.
I can sort of see why I was killed given no one seemed to be going after me (and given they evidently didn't feel like trying to recruit me). I don't see the reasoning on Yaropolk at all -- his behavior has been enough different this game than in Shadow Fort that he could probably have been lynched; I was thinking of him as vaguely suspicious myself though I didn't tell anyone.
As for DE: assume for a moment he is the Sith Lord. We lynch him today. Tonight two kills, down to 8 townies. Tomorrow lynch again. That night only one kill (if the recruit can ALSO recruit I think we have already lost, so let's assume he can't). Down to 7 townies, 1 mafia. That's not bad odds for an endgame.
Assume DE is the Sith Lord and we leave him alive. Assume best case and we do get the recruit (far from certain despite some weird posturing the last couple of days that has me extremely suspicious of Pizza). Based on the events of the night before last, presumably they must get two chances to recruit. If the first one works, the second is killed. If the first one can't be recruited, a try is made on the second one. Something like that. Either way odds are we wind up with one dead, and one additional recruit on that night. 9 townies alive against two mafia. And DE is *still* two lynches from death. What do we do now, repeat? Odds are we don't get it right a second time, now it's 7 townies against two mafia. And what do we do about DE?
We're in a horrible position if DE is not mafia, but I think we have to bite the bullet and just hope he is. And DE, if you're not, then just do your damnedest to hit mafia tonight. And hope you play in a less scummy fashion the next time you're pro-town.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 01:42
Yeah, we hit DE today. Pizza isn't guaranteed to be the recruit. Even though the writeup last night that made it look like they were trying to recruit Luke could have been designed to keep pizza from being lynched right off.
And hope you play in a less scummy fashion the next time you're pro-town.
Fortune Cookie lesson of the day. :bow:
Yaropolk
05-03-2010, 01:58
Writeup shows 3 kill scenes, but only 2 dead people. Anyone know which 2 people are dead?
You and me. The other one you're thinking of is probably Githany, which appears to have been a roleblock.
Yaropolk
05-03-2010, 02:18
Darn, so much for the lightsaber. I can't open spoilers on Blackberry
Alright, I'll keep the faith.
Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 02:53
I was not converted last night. I am willing to abstain from voting and be scanned or roleblocked to prove it.
Until I am cleared, I will not vote unless Chaotix tells me to.
Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?
-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.
-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).
-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.
Diamondeye's still a bad lynch. I want to hear the results he's got.
Vote: Autolycus
ATPG, please vote for Autolycus if a bandwagon on Diamondeye forms.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 03:07
Autolycus and choxorn lynch are also good.
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 03:12
Vote: Autolycus
ATPG, please vote for Autolycus if a bandwagon on Diamondeye forms.
Will do. I am suspect of the following people:
Most suspect
Centurion1
Subotan
johnhughthom
Fairly suspect
TinCow
autolycus
pevergreen
IMO not the Sith Lord (starting role)
Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
Psychonaut
Choxorn- replacement
splitpersonality- replacement
YLC- replacement
However I am suspect enough of Autolycus to vote for him. The reason why I am not as suspicious of him is because he was on the correct side of the Niklas tie. The others were on the "spare Niklas" side of the Niklas tie.
If you know better about one of those suspects than I, take that into consideration. I'm working with less info.
Keep in mind that Choxorn, YLC, and split could easily be the newly converted Sith apprentice.
Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?
-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.
-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).
-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.
Is there anything about Diamondeye's actions outside the thread that has made your suspicious of him?
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 03:41
Keep in mind that Choxorn, YLC, and split could easily be the newly converted Sith apprentice.
This I know. But I am more focused on who is the Sith Lord. Killing him is a priority.
Unless we gain more abilities, the game would seem unbalanced if the recruits were as powerful as their masters. I believe defeating the other starting Sith should give us an advantage.
Yaropolk
05-03-2010, 03:49
Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 03:51
Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.
Indeed. I had forgotten that, thank you Yaropolk.
Both of your votes this round have been unimpressive, Tincow. :brood:
Is there anything about Diamondeye's actions outside the thread that has made your suspicious of him?
Yes, actually.
The fact that I revealed a few roles to him, and a couple of them were killed. However, Yaropolk makes a really good case, better than mine:
Diamondeye both investigated Niklas and found him guilty, AND removed his extra life so we could lynch him. All before he went public with his role, so it's not as if he was forced to do so.
Although I'm tempted to vote Diamondeye, I have to admit Chaotix and Yaro make a good point.
How is Diamondeye still even alive?
My guess would be that Niklas was in fact the master, and as such there's a good chance they aren't strong enough to attack a Jedi Master yet. It took two of them to take out Yoda, and now they are possibly without their original master.
As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?
I was protecting Diamondeye.
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 05:15
I'd love some pressure on Centurion, Subotan, or Johnhughthom, if someone is undecided.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 05:19
Hmm, part of the reason I was suspicious of choxorn was because he popped up out of nowhere. I see now that he's a replacement.
A few things I looked over make Autolycus a VERY tempting lynch choice. Given that there actually was a 2nd recruit yesterday, take a look at the autolycus vs WE bit.
Splitpersonality
05-03-2010, 05:43
I'd love some pressure on Centurion, Subotan, or Johnhughthom, if someone is undecided.
Vote: Subotan
PRESSURE!
autolycus
05-03-2010, 05:47
I'm going to vote:Centurion1. He's contributed virtually nothing to the thread all game long, and only votes about one out of every three days, including casting one of the votes on pevergreen that kept niklas alive an extra day.
I'm going to hold back until Diamondeye posts his results. We don't want to start an unstoppable wagon on someone only for Diamondeye to dismiss it entirely. Some pressure is fine though.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 06:18
Really, autolycus has to be lynched. He plays just like cowhead, who was very successful as mafia.
I'm sorry, but has everyone gone mad? There is no new convert, just a Sith Lord of MASTER rank performing a kill and a recruitment - pay attention to the kill methods! I'm betting a successful recruitment reveals no name, otherwise a full name reveal would make recruitment useless.
Vote: Subotan, FoS: pevergreen, autolycus
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 06:46
I'm sorry, but has everyone gone mad? There is no new convert, just a Sith Lord of MASTER rank performing a kill and a recruitment - pay attention to the kill methods!
Yaropolk
Renata
There were two kills, though.
Yaropolk
Renata
There were two kills, though.
Unsuccessful recruitment, host reflections, or mafioso meddling, take your pick - and yes, confirmed with Sigurd there is some leeway with the write ups. I'd think it would make sense, really, if it was a recruitment attempt - most Sith apprentices are recruited through force and aggression, those who fail were never meant to be Sith anyway.
Again, kill methods are the same for both, thus it is the same Sith, and he isn't using Force Avalanche, which appeared to be Niklas's ability.
I would like to hear ATPG's case for me being Sith. Something more substantial than the use of the word "We", please.
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 11:40
I would like to hear ATPG's case for me being Sith. Something more substantial than the use of the word "We", please.
If you have a better method for finding scum, then demonstrate it. I don't see you putting pressure on anyone, just blending in when necessary. And of course, defending yourself and saying "we" a lot, like two very different players did in two very different games.
psst.... they were scum.
Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.
Why the heck wouldn't he? It was part of the "deal" that kept Niklas alive another night -- he'd have been lynched himself if he'd failed to take that.
Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?
-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.
Easy. You might not be a ghost, but you'd still be around to say nice things about him, presumably. Also witness Niklas cooking up yet another attack on Beskar (both to me in private, and in the thread) after he'd already sent in the kill order on him. He did it to make it look as if he *didn't* know that Beskar was about to be dead. Diamondeye could easily be the same thing.
-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).
Diamondeye up above claims exactly the opposite, that he suggested he protect someone else, so you could investigate/protect him. Can you check your records on this? It seems a fairly important point.
-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.
Given this is (in part) Niklas that we're dealing with, I am confident to say this is a BAD assumption.
Diamondeye's still a bad lynch. I want to hear the results he's got.
This much we agree on (about the results -- I think he has to be lynched today).
I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online.
Vote:John
Your wish is my command ATPG :beam:
johnhughthom
05-03-2010, 11:59
Vote: autolycus
Following Yoda.
Unsuccessful recruitment, host reflections, or mafioso meddling, take your pick - and yes, confirmed with Sigurd there is some leeway with the write ups. I'd think it would make sense, really, if it was a recruitment attempt - most Sith apprentices are recruited through force and aggression, those who fail were never meant to be Sith anyway.
Again, kill methods are the same for both, thus it is the same Sith, and he isn't using Force Avalanche, which appeared to be Niklas's ability.
On re-read, I think YLC is correct. Check out this bit from the Barrison Draay kill:
The cloaked figure stared at him with glowing amber eyes as if assessing him. Barrison was not too comfortable with the situation. The figure finally looked a bit disappointed, if one could attribute such emotions to those hard amber eyes emitting pure hatred.
That does indeed look like an attempt to recruit, followed by a kill. While there were two kills, the Rule of Two would presumably prevent the Sith from recruiting if there were already two of them. So, we may indeed still be dealing with a single mafioso. Note that that would almost certainly clear ALL of the replacement players.
The question then becomes... what was the Sith doing with his other night action two nights ago?
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2010, 12:07
I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online.
Vote:John
Your wish is my command ATPG :beam:
That at least gets us somewhere. I doubt you'd be able to shield yourself from investigation, kill, and also attempt to recruit all at the same time. Maybe, but still....
Fair enough, John needs pressure.
@Tincow
Take a look at how Barrison was killed
The figure lifted one hand and lightening shot out of it. Barrison Draay felt the agonizing electricity pounding the very core of his being
Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.
Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.
The amber eyes and the red lightsaber are not consistent with a vig kill.
On consideration...
Unvote; Vote: autolycus
I suspect there's a reason I haven't been attacked yet. :stare:
*sigh* If it's Diamondeye, I reserve the right to say I told you so. If not, well, that would hardly be anything unusual for me for this game.
What reason, TinCow?
Also, good God I hate to say this, but a missing action from the night that Psychonaut was investigated/roleblocked and a recruitment attempt was made on Diana might even imply that Psychonaut should be back in the mix ...
Ugh I hate this. I need coffee.
I suspect there's a reason I haven't been attacked yet. :stare:
He knows who you are, correct? He's claimed to have been in contact with several players.
Also, good God I hate to say this, but a missing action from the night that Psychonaut was investigated/roleblocked and a recruitment attempt was made on Diana might even imply that Psychonaut should be back in the mix ...
That would only be true if the roleblock stopped one action of the target, but not more than one. That seems... unlikley and unbalanced. My bet would be that the Sith was doing some other kind of night action, another investigation power maybe.
[edit] Worth noting that a Niklas + autolycus mafia team is a 100% CFC mafia team. That would explain the N1 hit of Husar... no way for them to know that he'd been gone from mafia games for a long time.
autolycus
05-03-2010, 14:32
I'm clean, I don't know what more I can do to prove it. TinCow, before I started playing here, I read most of the mafia games of the past year, so I knew who had and hadn't been playing recently.
atheotes
05-03-2010, 14:39
I'm going to vote:Centurion1. He's contributed virtually nothing to the thread all game long, and only votes about one out of every three days, including casting one of the votes on pevergreen that kept niklas alive an extra day.
Is that an attempt to find a scapegoat?
Vote: Autolycus
I was away for the last couple of days. Apologies i couldnt be of any assistance.
Renata, i started as a Jedi Knight and got promoted to a master. I did not have any night actions except "Hide my force powers from investigators" - so the sith could make himself investigation immune if he had that.
@ Chaotix - one of my force powers was "Force Ghost" and it was stated that i could vote even after i die. I am not sure why you did not know about it before you died.
autolycus
05-03-2010, 15:00
Atheotes, it's more a vote against someone who may be attempting to lurk their way to victory. It was also an attempt to pressure him to speak up and it was a vote somewhere else that anyone who believes me to be innocent could join. I'm not going to vote for myself when I know I'm innocent, so I voted for someone else.
White_eyes:D
05-03-2010, 15:07
Psychonut was BLOCKED last night....Now the Sith Lord has two kills this night?(while he was protecting Qui-Gon?):inquisitive:
Psychonut was BLOCKED last night....Now the Sith Lord has two kills this night?(while he was protecting Qui-Gon?):inquisitive:
Not this rubbish again. I've had my name cleared what 3ish times, and now you are trying to drag it through the mud, again. Sorry buddy, but I don't see your angle, there's no feasible way for me to be Sith. Diamondeye investigated me, and then didn't try to get me lynched, comprende? Unless we are scum buddies with our BFF necklaces, your insinuation is hollow as a log convention.
As I see it, and I said earlier, my guess is that the Sith, in the same way Diamondeye does, have two actions, and spent 2 nights ago finding a recruit. That would result in 1 kill two nights ago and 2 last night, because we are once more up against 2 Sith. :wacko:
autolycus
05-03-2010, 15:32
Here are my thoughts currently. I know you all probably won't listen to them now, but if I get lynched, please look back over them, once you know I'm innocent.
Did anyone actually scan atpg? I remember someone saying they'd scanned him as susceptible, but would their scan turn anyone up as outright Sith? I think that may have been Psychonaut's general sense power thing. Speaking of which, what have you found out recently psychonaut? Johnhughthom and centurion1 are both quite suspicious to my mind. Subotan's claimed streen, and therefore is innocent. But if I die today, I'd recommend putting some heat on atpg tomorrow. Chaotix asked him to vote for me if a Diamondeye wagon started. He chose to feed the wagon immediately. I'll look back through the thread, but I don't think he's actually been scanned definitively yet, and even if he has, he may well have been converted.
I don't know if I'll be back on today, but good luck to the rest of the innocents if I die. You'll need it, given the likely conversion mechanic.
Diamondeye
05-03-2010, 15:38
I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online.
Vote:John
Your wish is my command ATPG :beam:
Since Subotan brought this up himself; this is correct. I scanned Subotan last night.
Not this rubbish again. I've had my name cleared what 3ish times, and now you are trying to drag it through the mud, again. Sorry buddy, but I don't see your angle, there's no feasible way for me to be Sith. Diamondeye investigated me, and then didn't try to get me lynched, comprende? Unless we are scum buddies with our BFF necklaces, your insinuation is hollow as a log convention.
As I see it, and I said earlier, my guess is that the Sith, in the same way Diamondeye does, have two actions, and spent 2 nights ago finding a recruit. That would result in 1 kill two nights ago and 2 last night, because we are once more up against 2 Sith. :wacko:
I remind everyone that I blocked and investigated Psychonaut that night. He is not sith.
I think it's likely that autolycus or john is sith, and that ATPG might have been recruited a night ago. I hope we are still dealing with only one sith but I am not convinced.
I am going to vote:autolycus and hope that it turns out to be the right thing to do. I have an extremely busy week in school and that annoys the **** out of me when we're entering the final phase of this game...
[edit] Worth noting that a Niklas + autolycus mafia team is a 100% CFC mafia team. That would explain the N1 hit of Husar... no way for them to know that he'd been gone from mafia games for a long time.
Didn't I mention that in the beginning?
And why would Niklas have wanted to kill me after I said hello to him so nicely? :no:
There might have been more sinister reasons, like my denial to join pevergreen's game(even though I like him I would not put that beyond him at all, the game he creates even has revenge in it's name), but then I think this is what you call metagaming(something i never heard of last time I played, same for OMGUS btw) and everybody is going to lynch me now.
autolycus, you wait until now to stop posting in a scum manner? That in itself is scummy, lack of consistency and all. But, I won't lodge a vote against you, I'll have to trust my second instinct. Vote: centurion1
I have more information about autolycus that is worth discussing. It all comes from this conversation, from several days ago:
I haven't been mentioned yet in the thread. I'm Jorus C'Baoth and wield a yellow lightsaber. I claimed the role to both Diana Abnoba and GeneralHankerchief at the start of the game.
I haven't been in out-of-thread communication with almost anyone all game long, so I don't have any external data to contribute.
Sincerely,
Autolycus
Why did you claim to Diana and GH?
It's my standard modus operandi in most mafia games. I try to trade relatively unimportant pieces of info early in the game with a few people to start communication flowing. It hasn't worked as well over here as it did on cfc. The third person I contacted was jolt. He, now split, is *****.
Diana Abnoba I'd played with before over on CFC, jolt I'd talked to somewhat during Shadow Fort, and GH had a reputation of being a strong and interesting character, so they're the ones I chose to reach out to as I try to establish semi-standard channels here on the .org. Contact me if you have any other questions.
There are two things to note from his statements. First, autolycus has been attempting to network and get information from people since the start of the game. Second, he claims to be Jorus C'Baoth, who was promoted to Jedi Master after N9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2479781&viewfull=1#post2479781). It seems likely that Jedi Masters would have powers that would be useful to the town, so I find it odd that he has not role-claimed as part of his defense. Particularly since his last post included a "I'm going to be away for a while and this may be my last post in my defense" bit. Surely if he was going to mount a last-ditch attempt at defense, a reveal as Jedi Master would have been useful to him...
White_eyes:D
05-03-2010, 16:03
I still say it's Psycho....your denying it all way too much....and we know the Sith can block investigations:stare:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 16:40
Atheotes, it's more a vote against someone who may be attempting to lurk their way to victory. It was also an attempt to pressure him to speak up and it was a vote somewhere else that anyone who believes me to be innocent could join. I'm not going to vote for myself when I know I'm innocent, so I voted for someone else.
Johnhughthom and centurion1 are both quite suspicious to my mind.
Yes, autolycus is guilty. Contrary to what psycho says, he has not looked more pro town this past day. If you read over his votes he's just picking up on some in thread suspicions (in this case, atpg random accusation of cent, john, and subo) and making up a reason to vote them. This low key in thread approach is very different from his "pm people at the start of the game, and exchange info in order to get things going" approach.
Unvote:, Vote:Autolycus
If DE will vouch for Subotan...
White_eyes:D
05-03-2010, 16:45
So, you find Psycho's vote of cen1 suspicious as well?:book:
If Auto is revealed as Sith.....you know who to lynch next:bow:
pevergreen
05-03-2010, 16:47
Didn't I mention that in the beginning?
And why would Niklas have wanted to kill me after I said hello to him so nicely? :no:
There might have been more sinister reasons, like my denial to join pevergreen's game(even though I like him I would not put that beyond him at all, the game he creates even has revenge in it's name), but then I think this is what you call metagaming(something i never heard of last time I played, same for OMGUS btw) and everybody is going to lynch me now.
I got plently of people to kill for personal reasons before you.
OMGUS has been around for ages though.
I think I should be scanned tonight.
autolycus seemed scummy to me early in the game. It seems to me that he would still be a good lynch. Just my :2cents:
autolycus
05-03-2010, 16:56
I didn't bother claiming my role (Jorus C'Baoth) in thread because without holocron abilities, it didn't seem to me to matter, especially given that niklas had a cover role. I just got a message from sigurd informing me that my powers did get activated last night. I wish he'd told me sooner, as it would have made me care more. Sigurd, will you confirm that holocron messages got sent out late today? I now have two self-defence powers and healing.
Sasaki, I tried the message people at the beginning of the game strategy and only jolt gave me a real respons. Without response from others, I reverted to a low-key thread analysis strategy.
I got plently of people to kill for personal reasons before you.
OMGUS has been around for ages though.
I think I should be scanned tonight.
Actually, Husar might be onto something. First round, I voted Niklas then pevergreen then voted for me saying I killed Husar about something with facebook I still haven't seen or read yet. Which some people used to vote on me with.
Perhaps pevergreen was trying to protect his scumpartner Niklas and thought of blaming the Husar thing on me, while he did it.
pevergreen needs to die.
White_eyes:D
05-03-2010, 18:02
Actually, Husar might be onto something. First round, I voted Niklas then pevergreen then voted for me saying I killed Husar about something with facebook I still haven't seen or read yet. Which some people used to vote on me with.
Perhaps pevergreen was trying to protect his scumpartner Niklas and thought of blaming the Husar thing on me, while he did it.
pevergreen needs to die.Renata and TinCow disagree.....:brood:
Renata and TinCow disagree.....:brood:
I don't like pevergreen's behavior, but this argument (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480812&viewfull=1#post2480812) is pretty convincing to me. pevergreen needs to be examined by the power roles, but I don't think he's a priority lynch for the reason Renata gave.
White_eyes:D
05-03-2010, 18:55
But I was told by Sigurd how many rounds it would take till, I was WOG. You REALLY don't think that the Sith would not ask what a tie does?? so, I tossed that opinion out the window:juggle:
Of course I asked what a tie would do. That's not the same thing as getting an answer though.
Oh, what¨now? No, no, nothing. Just carry on, as you were. ~:)
I didn't bother claiming my role (Jorus C'Baoth) in thread because without holocron abilities, it didn't seem to me to matter, especially given that niklas had a cover role. I just got a message from sigurd informing me that my powers did get activated last night. I wish he'd told me sooner, as it would have made me care more. Sigurd, will you confirm that holocron messages got sent out late today? I now have two self-defence powers and healing.
Sasaki, I tried the message people at the beginning of the game strategy and only jolt gave me a real respons. Without response from others, I reverted to a low-key thread analysis strategy.
I will not confirm or deny anything. There was a late update in the writeup...
I will not confirm or deny anything. There was a late update in the writeup...
I read the first version posted and the version after the edit. I do not recall there being a mention of someone getting a holocron visit in the original write-up, while there is one in the edited write-up. I think that was the thing which was omitted, which would make it consistent with autolycus' claim that he got a late message about a holocron update today.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2010, 19:51
...Which doesn't tell us anything about autolycus.
autolycus
05-03-2010, 21:06
Do we know if niklas ever got holocronned? Also, I owe an apology to atpg because I said he voted for me, when looking back over the thread, it's clear he didn't. To those who don't think I'm scum, weigh the benefits of a tie vs my death. On the one hand, a tie, if it leads to no lynch, makes no progress, but my death loses some powers for the innocents. Bear those trade-offs in my mind before bringing the vote count close enough together for niklas to swing things.
Current Vote Total (I think)
Autolycus-4-Diamondeye, atheotes,johnhughthom, chaotix
Centurion1-2- Autolycus, TinCow
Diamondeye-1-YLC
Subotan-1-Split
Correct Tally:
autolycus: 5 (Chaotix, johnhughthom, TinCow, atheotes, Diamondeye)
Centurion1: 2 (autolycus, Psychonaut)
Diamoneye: 1 (YLC)
Subotan: 1 (split)
johnhughthom: 1 (Subotan)
vote: Centurion1
Come on, can't we make it a tie?
Vote: Aut... oh wait, voting is over.
Round 12
Night
The voting session was at end and yet again there was a clear candidate. Qui-Gon Jinn was quite happy about their diligence in finding and rooting out Sith. If they had been successful remained to be seen. Today’s tally keeper gave Qui-Gon proudly the tally. One name stood out among the others. When Qui-Gon saw who the candidate was his mood darkened. It couldn’t be one of the remaining masters. But yet it was and they would now lose a powerful hunter of the Sith. Qui-Gon cursed and phased back and forth. The Padawan tally keeper backed away from the seething Qui-Gon.
Qui-Gon finally stopped and scanned the gathered Jedi. “Alright Jorus C’baoth, you have been accused of being a Sith and sentenced to death. Now would you please step forward.” The Jedi Knights looked worried when the Master composed himself and got up. Another master had already been on his feet a little while and moved in close to Qui-Gon and whispered something in his ear. Qui-Gon turned and said:”No, that would not be necessary. I don’t think he would make a scene. Would you Master C’baoth?” the ageing Master looked at Qui-Gon and the other Master next to Qui-Gon with stern eyes, but didn’t make a move for his lightsabre. “Good lad, now if you would be so kind to follow us.” The rest of the procedure went as it did last time. The Master went without complain out into space and the body was later recovered and put in with the others in the morgue that were now keeping quite a few members of the crew.
Qui-Gon was not too sure they had got a Sith this time.
“Back to work crew!!”
Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1 (23 hours from now) Tuesday 4th of May. Orders in by 22:00 GMT+1 (22 hours from now)
Tally:
autolycus: 5 (atheotes, Chaotix, Diamondeye, johnhugh, TinCow )
Centurion1: 3 (autolycus, Niklas, Psycho)
Diamondeye: 1 (YLC)
johnhugh: 1 (Subotan)
Subotan: 1 (split)
Not voting: 4 (ATPG, Centurion1, Choxorn, pever)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Choxorn
Diamondeye
johnhughthom
pevergreen
Psychonaut
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow
YLC
Obi-Wan: I was beginning to wonder if you'd got my message.
Anakin: I retransmitted it to Coruscant, just as you'd requested, Master. Then we decided to come and rescue you.
Obi-Wan: [looks at his handcuffed hands] Good job!
Even Obi-Wan senses just how much of a fantastic job the town's doing currently... the only reason that we've bagged a Sith thus far is through metagaming reasons and now we're just lynching townie after townie.
It didn't require Yoda to figure out Autolycus wasn't Sith.
Even Obi-Wan senses just how much of a fantastic job the town's doing currently... the only reason that we've bagged a Sith thus far is through metagaming reasons and now we're just lynching townie after townie.
It didn't require Yoda to figure out Autolycus wasn't Sith.
Criticism from the peanut gallery is meaningless. If you want to complain, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion next time.
Criticism from the peanut gallery is meaningless. If you want to complain, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion next time.
Because people would genuinely listen to what I have to say, right?
Personally, I would have lobbied for Pizza to be lynched long ago; instead, you've all allowed him to talk himself out of trouble, throw around litres of Pinot Grigio and generally slip under the radar while the likes of Greyblades and Autolycus are lynched in his place.
Neither of them were Sith and they both appeared to be scummy because y'all made them out to be such. We're not all as competent at coping with pressure as yourself, Pizza or Sasaki... the level of heat that you were all putting on them would have made anyone buckle, let alone two people who to me just seemed to be lazy rather than scummy. That sort of pressure would have been better utilised elsewhere.
Lynching Pizza next day phase would be the best step in my opinion; Shadow Fort should have taught us that you can never trust him, even if previous games have not done so. The entire reason that the Turks won that was down to Pizza's clever manipulation and his way with words; despite all the suspicion, he made it to the final two.
The town would benefit without his WIFOM either way, wouldn't you agree?
Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?
See, this is why you should contribute. :yes:
autolycus
05-04-2010, 00:04
Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?
See, this is why you should contribute. :yes:
Because you can support her with what I'd already pointed out? ;)
That being said, I'd like to see a scan or block on johnhughthom, and a discussion/lynch of atpg tomorrow, assuming that johnhughthom isn't exposed as scum during the night.
autolycus
05-04-2010, 00:07
Even Obi-Wan senses just how much of a fantastic job the town's doing currently... the only reason that we've bagged a Sith thus far is through metagaming reasons and now we're just lynching townie after townie.
It didn't require Yoda to figure out Autolycus wasn't Sith.
Apparently it not only didn't require Yoda, but Yoda couldn't figure it out. Also, either Sigurd's tally is wrong, or I got my vote forced onto a ghost.
White_eyes:D
05-04-2010, 00:09
I am of the opinion the "Pro-town"(DE, Psycho and TinCow) are just doing a "scorched earth" policy(Look it up in mafia terms) to thin out the Sith recruits....You guys realize that didn't go so well in "Shadow Fort". So, cut the :daisy: and start lynching those who are good at dodging the limelight:stare:
I am of the opinion the "Pro-town"(DE, Psycho and TinCow) are just doing a "scorched earth" policy(Look it up in mafia terms)
That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.
And others have brought up looking for lurkers before but usually it's easily forgotten after someone says they will get WoGed anyway, but then they won't and just lurk along, doing an occasional post and vote here or there.
Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?
I actually asked Chaotix to investigate me to find out more about how the investigation ability worked, but he died that night unfortunately. I believe that the Grand Master and the basic Initiate are not susceptible to the Dark Side; the former because it's the head honcho, the latter because they're pretty much useless beyond a vote, as they cannot utilise a lightsaber and have no ability to use the Force either.
I believe that whoever drained Niklas of his lynch immunity would be the best person to ask about what the investigation result said; I believe the investigation and power drain combined into a single power, is that correct?
See, this is why you should contribute. :yes:
As a dead player, there's only so much I can contribute within the confines of the rules though! :P
That being said, I'd like to see a scan or block on johnhughthom, and a discussion/lynch of atpg tomorrow, assuming that johnhughthom isn't exposed as scum during the night.
I'm surprised that johnhughthom isn't dead yet, to be honest.
That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.
Don't make me go all History teacher on you! :P
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 01:08
Because people would genuinely listen to what I have to say, right?
Personally, I would have lobbied for Pizza to be lynched long ago; instead, you've all allowed him to talk himself out of trouble, throw around litres of Pinot Grigio and generally slip under the radar while the likes of Greyblades and Autolycus are lynched in his place.
Neither of them were Sith and they both appeared to be scummy because y'all made them out to be such. We're not all as competent at coping with pressure as yourself, Pizza or Sasaki... the level of heat that you were all putting on them would have made anyone buckle, let alone two people who to me just seemed to be lazy rather than scummy. That sort of pressure would have been better utilised elsewhere.
Lynching Pizza next day phase would be the best step in my opinion; Shadow Fort should have taught us that you can never trust him, even if previous games have not done so. The entire reason that the Turks won that was down to Pizza's clever manipulation and his way with words; despite all the suspicion, he made it to the final two.
The town would benefit without his WIFOM either way, wouldn't you agree?
OMGUS....
First of all, there was a late addition to my role, which I didn't get until now because I was asleep. I was the other one who went to the jedi holocron today. I'll tell Chaotix what powers I just got.
If you guys lynch me, that's your business. But you should have listened to me and focused on John or Centurion1.
I also particularly like how I asked to be blocked or scanned or drained, after I was already scanned, and that would prove I'm not the starting Sith Lord, plus the fact that the Sith Lord is still looking for a recruit....
Is anyone even paying attention to this game? Because it's getting pretty tiring having to explain the same basic stuff over and over.
Centurion1
05-04-2010, 01:16
ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.
pizza is squirming away again.......
vote: pizza
Speaking of Psycho, did he ever report any results from last night?
OMGUS....
Do you mean that you're inflicting the horror of OMGUS upon me or vice versa? Bit hard for me to do that since I'm dead, but I thought I would ask anyway.
I'll tell Chaotix what powers I just got.
Of course, you're a very intelligent young man, so there is the chance you could be making this sort of thing up, right? You don't actually have to dignify that with a response, I've gotten to know how good you are at doing that exact thing and it amazes me how many times myself and others can fall for it. :P
I also particularly like how I asked to be blocked or scanned or drained, after I was already scanned, and that would prove I'm not the starting Sith Lord, plus the fact that the Sith Lord is still looking for a recruit....
Is anyone even paying attention to this game? Because it's getting pretty tiring having to explain the same basic stuff over and over.
I don't believe that you were a starting Sith, in all honesty; I think Beskar's investigation result would have yielded more indicative results if that was the case. But it doesn't mean you're not Sith now; the people who should have and could have investigated you through whatever means they wield have either died or been on the old death sticks, to be honest. Someone does need to scan you, I would agree with that.
As for the paying attention part... well you don't honestly need to ask that, it answers itself; the answer for most players would be a negative one.
ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.
Why the lurking though, Cent?
vote: pizza
Now, this is OMGUS, right? :curtain:
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 01:38
ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.
pizza is squirming away again.......
vote: pizza
Okay, NO.
YOU WILL LISTEN. LISTEN
Two Sith to start the game. First to die was Niklas. That's one.
You're looking for ONE other Sith, because HE IS STILL TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
That means I NEVER GOT RECRUITED!
Will you guys BLOCK ME or DRAIN ME or SOMETHING if you THINK I AM A SITH, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD????
It's so frickin aggravating to be IGNORED. Why do you listen to everyone else's non-defenses, and totally ignore my actual, LOGICAL, PROVEABLE DEFENSE? WHY? Is it because I am Askthepizzaguy and therefore I am guilty even when I am not?
Why am I so dangerous, or supposedly dangerous? It is because I think.
I'm NOT "slithering away". Whenever you exercise your Pizza fetish and latch onto me, I give you good reasons not to lynch me. Then a round or two goes by and you TOTALLY FORGET why I am not a good lynch. Then I have to explain it to you, and I'll do that, but it would be nice if you had some memory of the previous reasons. It's not a trick! Do you know that logic isn't a trick? It's logic. It's actually good stuff! It is helpful when determining guilt! RIGHT???
Like when someone gets attacked and survives, why, they are usually not mafia, RIGHT?
Or when someone is scanned as a potential sith recruit, BEGS to be BLOCKED at night, and there's only 2 mafia max due to the rule of two, and one of the starting Sith Lords is still looking for a recruit, LOGIC dictates that you BLOCK your suspect who asks to be BLOCKED. Because the Sith Lord won't want to be!
So, I am the Sith Lord, HUH? BLOCK ME THEN. Put your money where your mouth is.
:wall:
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 02:03
You should lynch Centurion1 for pretending to not know that it is night phase, and block Johnhughthom tonight.
I apologize if I sound frustrated, but I am. That is all for now.
Beefy187
05-04-2010, 02:03
To completely change the topic. Happy International Starwars day.
bye :creep:
Honestly Pizza if you want people not to be paranoid about you, you should stop doing things that encourage paranoia.
I loved that post, personally...
pevergreen
05-04-2010, 03:37
I read the first version posted and the version after the edit. I do not recall there being a mention of someone getting a holocron visit in the original write-up, while there is one in the edited write-up. I think that was the thing which was omitted, which would make it consistent with autolycus' claim that he got a late message about a holocron update today.
~:wave:
Sasaki's argument is pretty good.
Someone investigate me already.
Kagemusha
05-04-2010, 04:58
I think you should lynch Tincow.
autolycus
05-04-2010, 05:11
I would bet just about anything that TinCow is innocent. I think Atpg is lying when he says he was called to the holocron last night, because the write-up only mentions a single person being called, and I claimed to be that person already. I now say block johnhughthom tonight and lynch atpg tomorrow.
Diana Abnoba
05-04-2010, 05:39
Okay guys, since all the power roles are dead or outed (I'm guessing ) by now, you need to just put in thread, who has been investigated or blocked or had power taken from them, in some safe form. Town needs some real direction. We only have a few more rounds to get this right.
My FOS's are;
Cent 1- lurking, but every time a vote is on him he comes out of the woodwork.
pever- not sure he is mafia, but need to remove the distraction.
Johnhughthom- lower post then usual, just not his usual self, something is off.
So one of these should be the next lynch.
As for;
Choxorn- very low prob. that he is Sith Lord, replacement player of Lord Winter, who IIRC didn't even vote once. Not lurker on purpose, not active at all.
YLC- for the same reason as Choxorn.
Split is only a bit more guilty because he replaced Jolt, that started out in the 1st -2nd round somewhat active the got wog'd.
Psyco- was Role blocked and we still had kills- not Sith Lord.
I think the Sith Lord IS still looking for recruits, so IMO you should role block or drain or investigate...Pizza, and Tin Cow and see what happens. This will prove them townie or not, then continue down the line to the next 2...should have been doing this all along. Or if you want, block pever or johnhughthom... whoever, just do it, and state who was blocked, in thread next day.
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 05:52
I would bet just about anything that TinCow is innocent. I think Atpg is lying when he says he was called to the holocron last night, because the write-up only mentions a single person being called, and I claimed to be that person already. I now say block johnhughthom tonight and lynch atpg tomorrow.
Take that up with Sigurd. I was absolutely at the holocron.
If I get lynched over that, I'm sure Sigurd will apologize after the game for his mistake. I was ABSOLUTELY at the holocron last night. I only just got the update today after I woke up.
I was at the holocron a night when zero people going there were mentioned in the update, so that being a mistake on Sigurd's part is entirely possible.
Diamondeye
05-04-2010, 06:56
You should lynch Centurion1 for pretending to not know that it is night phase, and block Johnhughthom tonight.
I apologize if I sound frustrated, but I am. That is all for now.
This actually sounds good. Especially the Cent lynch. Can we agree on it?
I loved that post, personally...
Take that up with Sigurd. I was absolutely at the holocron.
If I get lynched over that, I'm sure Sigurd will apologize after the game for his mistake. I was ABSOLUTELY at the holocron last night. I only just got the update today after I woke up.
There was the same issue with me and Psychonaut one night.
I think Sigurd only mentions those who are "force virgins", if I may be that blunt, in the writeup. People who have already been awakened to the force can keep going to the holocron and will learn new abilities, but will not be mentioned in the public writeup.
That's the way I've come to understand it after all these misgivings with it.
Sending in scan/block orders...
White_eyes:D
05-04-2010, 06:59
That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.
And others have brought up looking for lurkers before but usually it's easily forgotten after someone says they will get WoGed anyway, but then they won't and just lurk along, doing an occasional post and vote here or there.The "scorched earth" mafia term is used quite a bit over at Mafia scum.....they use it when they have confirmed Pro-towns on there side and it is a "all-or-nothing gamble" to lynch/vig every other role, to make sure there are NO Room for scum...I have seen it used there to GREAT effect, unlike here sadly....(Shadow Fort being the worst):stare:
I don't know if there players are just that good....or we are just that inexperienced...:juggle2:
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 07:55
I was at the holocron a night when zero people going there were mentioned in the update, so that being a mistake on Sigurd's part is entirely possible.
Possible, or it could be Diamondeye's explanation. But thank you for backing me up. :bow:
If a Sith were to claim to be at the holocron, and someone else could claim the opposite, then there is no advantage in doing so. The likeliest outcome is getting lynched because of it.
This actually sounds good. Especially the Cent lynch. Can we agree on it?
Yeah, unless something more conclusive happens in the meantime. But please block John, if possible. Either that or block me and finally put this to rest. It would be more useful for ME if you blocked John, because that would reduce the suspect list more and I could actually have a better perspective than I do now. But anything that prevents me from being lynched is superior to the alternative. Do what needs to be done.
pevergreen
05-04-2010, 08:29
How am I a distraction?
ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.
pizza is squirming away again.......
vote: pizza
Oh wow, that's not even funny.
Two Sith to start the game. First to die was Niklas. That's one.
You're looking for ONE other Sith, because HE IS STILL TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
That means I NEVER GOT RECRUITED!
Please reveal to us your source which confirms 100% the bolded part of your post.
OMGUS....
Why is that whenever ATPG is accused, this or that other five letter acronym always pops up in ATPG's defence? Just an observation. :juggle2:
Considering the interaction between ATPG and Cent1, I am of the opinion that either one or both is mafia scum. The "conversation" between them seemed melodramatic and forced on ATPG's part, and Cent1 is ever-so blisfully innocent and naive that one might be inclined to think that he wasn't paying attention to the thread.
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 09:36
Barrison Draay was utterly tired after a long day. He never got used to the 24 hour days. The hallways were dark around his cabin and he was not enjoying walking alone here after the happenings since they arrived on this ancient beast.
He was getting close to his cabin when he felt a presence. His lightsaber ignited and the green hue lit up the dark hallway. He walked slowly towards an adjacent hallway and sneaked around the corner. There in the middle of the hallway stood a dark figure shrouded in a dark cloak and crimson lightsabre burning in the right hand. Barrison walked out into the hallway determined to not lose this fight. He took his defensive stance. The cloaked figure stared at him with glowing amber eyes as if assessing him. Barrison was not too comfortable with the situation. The figure finally looked a bit disappointed, if one could attribute such emotions to those hard amber eyes emitting pure hatred. The figure lifted one hand and lightening shot out of it. Barrison Draay felt the agonizing electricity pounding the very core of his being. It took only a little while before darkness overcame him.
This matches the previous night's attempted recruitment of Diana.
Luke Skywalker walked alone in the hallways of the living quarters heading to his particular cabin when he felt the presence of danger. Green lightsabre sprang to life as he scanned his proximity. He could see no one, but the feeling wouldn’t go away.
He turned back the way he came a bit, but saw nothing. When he turned again towards his own cabin, there was a personage blocking the way. The person was cloaked in a long blackish cloak with a deep hood hiding face and features. From the dark of the hood, Luke could see glowing amber eyes. They betrayed utterly hatred for him. Luke was ready, his Jedi Knight training took over and he took his defensive stance. The cloaked person just stood there watching, contemplating. Luke got a little uncomfortable when it seemed the person was not going to attack. This was getting a little silly so Luke broke the silence: “What do you want?” The cloaked person stared at Luke with those hateful amber eyes. A little moment passed before the cloaked person responded: “You won’t do.” The cloaked person lifted both arms towards Luke and cascading blue energy was released from the hands. Luke was ready though and formed a absorbing field of force which turned the electric energy to nothing right before him.
When the cloaked person saw this, he stopped. And that was the break Luke needed. He jumped at the cloaked person, lightsabre swinging in to strike. The cloaked person moved away, dodging Luke’s attack. When Luke landed, he felt excruciating pain in his head and fell to the floor. It was as if the very life force was dragged away from his physical self. Darkness came fast.
Of course that's not 100% confirmation, just 99% so I am certain that's not good enough.
Wait until the end of the game and you'll get that remaining 1%.
I'm glad you're convinced that Centurion1 must be guilty, so hopefully you will vote for him next round.
Why is that whenever ATPG is accused, this or that other five letter acronym always pops up in ATPG's defence?
Always? :laugh4: Almost never is more like it. Where is your evidence?
There, I was saying OMGUS in the literal, joking sense. As in "your play is bad." Secura is dead, so accusing her (which OMGUS is usually intended to do) is dumb.
I wish people wouldn't be so confident that scorched earth will work. I know the temptation, believe me, but this is a game that started with two mafia out of 40 players and multiple town power roles. Even considering recruitment and single-shot lynch immunity and all that -- what makes people SO sure that the Sith Lord can actually be investigated accurately? Even the roleblocks -- you think the Sith can't manipulate the appearances of those to some effect, whether limited or not? Heck I'm still not convinced that Psychonaut can't be mafia, despite the text description of a roleblock being pretty unambiguous and Psycho having been blocked on a night when there was certainly only one Sith alive.
And have we forgotten that our chief investigator is also a suspect, even if people seem to have given up on actually winning the game if he is not town?
Anyway, telling the mafia publicly what will be done tonight is sheer insanity under the circumstances. Diamondeye should take this into account.
Don't make me go all History teacher on you! :P
I wouldn't mind that but I know where the term comes from and what it means.
The "scorched earth" mafia term is used quite a bit over at Mafia scum.....they use it when they have confirmed Pro-towns on there side and it is a "all-or-nothing gamble" to lynch/vig every other role, to make sure there are NO Room for scum...I have seen it used there to GREAT effect, unlike here sadly....(Shadow Fort being the worst):stare:
I don't know if there players are just that good....or we are just that inexperienced...:juggle2:
Well, we haven't had a vig-kill so far I think and it seems it makes people more likely to turn bad so it may not even work in this game at all.
And it's a dirty tactic.
Kagemusha
05-04-2010, 13:44
One Sith and numerous townies has been lynched. Again last round there were semi lurkers voting, but still they dont get any attention from the town. Town is simply just runnning around like headless chicken + people like pevergreen are only making it worse by acting scummy and intentionally drawing intention towards himself, just for the kicks. What you need to do is to stop creating theories about twists and conspiracy theories and lynch the people who are just throwing random votes without any input in discussion.Namely people like: spL1tp3r50naL1ty.Scan the suspicious ones like ATPG so no new lynch baits will not be created by the Sith.
Namely people like: spL1tp3r50naL1ty.
We're looking for someone who started the game as Sith. split, YLC, and Choxorn all came in as replacement players. I very seriously doubt whether one of the two starting mafioso would have gotten themselves WoGed in a game this interesting.
White_eyes:D
05-04-2010, 16:29
Well, we haven't had a vig-kill so far I think and it seems it makes people more likely to turn bad so it may not even work in this game at all.
And it's a dirty tactic.Mafia is a dirty game...look how you were killed round one:no: Any and ALL tactics are allowed within hosts rules(and with the few we have been given), We will use underhanded tactics....I helped win Capo 3 though constant vig-kills and town still won, but we did use a Major "Scorched earth" policy for that.:shrug:
I even heard TinCow say he would betray his own mom to win a mafia game:laugh4:
Mafia is a dirty game...look how you were killed round one:no: Any and ALL tactics are allowed within hosts rules(and with the few we have been given), We will use underhanded tactics....I helped win Capo 3 though constant vig-kills and town still won, but we did use a Major "Scorched earth" policy for that.:shrug:
I even heard TinCow say he would betray his own mom to win a mafia game:laugh4:
So if we combine the two statements, that everything is fair, and TinCow would betray his mom to win, then maybe him stating the suspicion about Niklas only when it had almost surfaced anyway and the apparent fact(I don't think anyone checked that back with his mom, right?) he would even betray his sith partner to win a mafia game....
I mean doesn't that make TinCow look suspicious? ~;)
Still, a closer look at lurkers is hardly ever a bad idea.
Thanks for reminding me to mail my Mother's Day cards.
White_eyes:D
05-04-2010, 19:43
As Beefy should quote "It's always the one you least suspect":beam:
It's not totally out of the question; that TinCow would throw his scum buddy "under the bus" to make himself look more innocent:shrug:
I suggest a better look at TinCow.....because Niklas even become a force ghost and that would still help TinCow, even though he did throw him "under the bus" meta-gaming style, if true:inquisitive:
I suggest a better look at TinCow
WARNING: Observing TinCow without protective goggles risks blindness, deafness, erythema, paralysis, diarrhea, constipation, hypertension, second- and third-degree burns, syphilis, dry mouth, halitosis, and uncontrollable arousal. Consult your doctor and accountant before observing TinCow. Avoid observing TinCow if you are pregnant, about to become pregnant, or standing within 50 meters of someone who is pregnant, or about to become pregnant.
White_eyes:D
05-04-2010, 19:57
Looks like your happy to be looked into??:iloveyou::laugh4:
Avoid observing TinCow if you are pregnant, about to become pregnant, or standing within 50 meters of someone who is pregnant, or about to become pregnant.
You forgot "unless you want to become..." ~;)
Splitpersonality
05-04-2010, 22:35
What you need to do is to stop creating theories about twists and conspiracy theories and lynch the people who are just throwing random votes without any input in discussion.Namely people like: spL1tp3r50naL1ty.Scan the suspicious ones like ATPG so no new lynch baits will not be created by the Sith.
My random votes are cast by reading the arguments presented before me by better informed, higher ranking jedi than myself (read: Chaotix). Just because I'm not the loud townie making accusations doesn't mean I'm guilty. I'm pretty out of the loop about things, so I follow confirmed innocents. I'm a pretty valuable townie in that I am weight behind votes, and also I'm free to pressure people (who are deemed needed of pressure) without having the whole town follow me...
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 22:44
Scanning me is also pointless until my "stealth" power is removed from me. However, blocking me would be a wise move if I were a Sith which I'm not (yet).
What bugs me is that they keep trying and failing to recruit people and I'm RIGHT HERE!!! Darn you, Niklas! Darn you and your Sith-like ways. You and your.... um.... Sithery.
http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/773.png
Darn you kids and your music.
Round 12
Day
A cloaked person moved unnoticed in the hallways looking for tonight’s target. Cabin doors were passed and the cloaked person halted a bit in passing each one, letting the force guide the way. The cloaked person tilted head up and back and seem to sense something, or rather the lack of something. Golden, or rather amber burning eyes were searching the shadows of the hallway. Someone was approaching, but somehow the cloaked being couldn’t sense who it was or if it was the one.
The cloaked person shifted into the shadows and vanished.
Belth Allusius was approaching the place where the hidden and cloaked person stood.
He was very close when the cloaked being sprang up and towards Belth with crimson lightsabre ignited. The cloaked being was propelled backwards by some force field surrounding Belth Allusius. Belth was ready, Green lightsabre in hand. The cloaked person got up and watched Belth with burning amber hatred and lifted one hand. Belth Allusius felt the air from his lungs being emptied and something crushing his windpipe. Belth was seeing stars and reached out. There had to be something he could do… Yes there. A heavy pipe went over the head of the cloaked being and was attached to the roof. Belth formed his failing thoughts on the pipe and pulled at it with the force. The pipe and the ceiling came crashing down on top of the cloaked being. Belth Allusius soon regained full consciousness and saw that the cloaked being was not rendered harmless and was just about to get up. Belth was not going to stand here contending further with this Sith. He was exhausted but managed to use the last bit of strength and force. Before the cloaked person was again on the feet ready to finish the fight, Belth was gone. The cloaked person looked up and down the long hallway but couldn’t see Belth anywhere. The cloaked being cursed: “Impossible, only I am that fast.”
Githany had been working especially long and diligent this day and was utterly fatigued.
She was dragging her feet along the hallway when she heard a sinister voice: “Githany… Oh Githany… Where are you?” The fatigue vanished like a snack on a table near a Hutt. She was utterly afraid and was sure her last hour had come. This could only be the voice of a Sith. The evil stank from it. She saw the cloaked being materializing from the shadow and screamed. The cloaked being raised one arm and Githany’s world swirled before her eyes. She reached out and drew some of the force to her and released it in the direction of the cloaked being. The cloaked being was thrown against the wall and tumbled on to the floor. Githany was carefully retreating from the scene but hadn’t come far when the cloaked being stirred and got up. Githany screamed again. The cloaked being looked at her with utterly hateful, glowing and amber eyes. “So you know a few tricks as well. Too bad those will not save you.” The cloaked being crouched and jumped, releasing something. Githany was suddenly caught in a gale and was thrown through the air. So forceful was the force that hit her that it tore up the walls, floor and ceiling as it moved through the hallway. Githany never felt the impact on the far end of the wall as her body was utterly crushed against it and finally pushed through it.
Sifo Dyas was returning to his cabin when he met a well known member of the crew on the way. They talked about trivial things all the way to Sifo’s cabin. The other member asked if he could talk to the Padawan under four eyes. As they entered the cabin, Sifo felt the world swirl around him and he felt as if his mind was pulled out of his being.
It was an excruciating pain and it soon overcame him.
As he woke up again, he couldn’t remember how he got to his cabin.
Anakin Skywalker sat in the dining hall when a well known member of the crew entered. They talked a little about this and that a while when Anakin Suddenly went limp hitting his head against the table. The other crew member left Anakin where he was and exited the dining hall.
The night finally ended and the Jedi crew was again yet again gathered in the auditorium.
Anakin Skywalker looked particularly tired. There was only one missing from the meeting and Qui-Gon Jinn hoped that the missing person was just late. When Githany didn’t show up, Qui-Gon sent a few Knights to go and check. The Knights returned and told the tale of a disaster area right next to Githany’s cabin. They hadn’t found her anywhere and assumed she was dead.
Alright, that means we are a Padawan short. We no longer have any Initiates to promote so let’s continue to the voting shall we? We obviously haven’t caught the Sith.
Voting ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Wednesday 5th of Mai (about 23 hours from now)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Choxorn
Diamondeye
johnhughthom
pevergreen
Psychonaut
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow
pevergreen
05-04-2010, 23:26
Scanning me is also pointless until my "stealth" power is removed from me. However, blocking me would be a wise move if I were a Sith which I'm not (yet).
What is the name of that force ability.
Vote: ATPG
Booyah.
*flexes*
Oh, hello there. I am Belth Allusis, Jedi Master and Kicker of Sith Butt. I assume the doubts about me will end now?
On to business...
Original (non-replacement) scumtastic lurkers: Centurion1, johnhughthom, pevergreen
List of people who used my conveniently provided excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2479123&viewfull=1#post2479123) to switch their votes off of Niklas during the Niklas/pever tie round: Renata, White_eyes, johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2479162&viewfull=1#post2479162).
Two of the convenient vote-switchers are now dead, and #3 turns up on the scumtastic lurkers list. Hmmm...
Vote: johnhughthom
Announcement:
I am embarrassed to say this, but I forgot my game data at work again, which means I can't do the force upgrades until I get to work. Expect a late delivery.
It shouldn't affect the voting anyway.
On the other hand, you could have been attacked by your mafia partner, but that does seem to be a bit unlikely.
Vote:Centurion1 for being a scumtastic lurker and for the night vote.
On the other hand, you could have been attacked by your mafia partner, but that does seem to be a bit unlikely.
Vote:Centurion1 for being a scumtastic lurker and for the night vote.
Again, again, and again, there was no second Sith. However, I believe it's possible they have recruited by now. For one, the Sith themselves were unsure of whether or not a player, during conversion would show up - thus, if there is a convert, it is a player that has not yet appeared in the write ups.
Sorry to DE, my suspicion was hasty, and although a possibility remains you are Sith, I'm filing it under unlikely for now.
What is the name of that force ability.
Vote: ATPG
It is called Force Stealth and is a Jedi Knight ability. I know because I have been using it every single night for most of the game. You can even see it in use in the write-up last night, where the Sith has difficulty finding me. There's nothing Sith-tastic about the ability at all, so it's a bad reason to vote for ATPG.
WARNING: Observing TinCow without protective goggles risks blindness, deafness, erythema, paralysis, diarrhea, constipation, hypertension, second- and third-degree burns, syphilis, dry mouth, halitosis, and uncontrollable arousal. Consult your doctor and accountant before observing TinCow. Avoid observing TinCow if you are pregnant, about to become pregnant, or standing within 50 meters of someone who is pregnant, or about to become pregnant.
*** Steps back slowly from TinCow ***
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2010, 23:47
It is called Force Stealth and is a Jedi Knight ability. I know because I have been using it every single night for most of the game. You can even see it in use in the write-up last night, where the Sith has difficulty finding me. There's nothing Sith-tastic about the ability at all, so it's a bad reason to vote for ATPG.
What he said.
I was told it could hide me from alignment scans as well. Too little too late, as I said before. Being a known susceptible makes it worthless to me. Is yours different from mine somehow? Or did I overlook that part?
Vote: Johnhughthom unless I hear he was blocked as I requested.
I was told it could hide me from alignment scans as well. Too little too late, as I said before. Being a known susceptible makes it worthless to me. Is yours different from mine somehow? Or did I overlook that part?
No, just seems to hide from alignment scans... though I have a theory (unproven) that it also hides us from the Obi-wan 'general info' scans as well.
pevergreen
05-04-2010, 23:55
My point was that ATPG said there was no point scanning him, as he had the power, whereas it is not a passive ability, as you have said.
How do I know? :wink:
Just so I have a vote lodged, I'll leave it on ATPG for now.
Belisarius II
05-05-2010, 00:01
Wow, someone (TinCow) actually survived a Sith attack.
I believe that the Sith Lord is a Master, so we should look here first. So out of John, pevergreen, and Centurion; I wonder if one of these three are a Master. Has any of them claimed a role yet?
Hey people, if anyone could give me a quick summary of what has happened since my death that would be fun. :juggle:
johnhughthom
05-05-2010, 00:08
The write up clears me.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 00:11
The write up clears me.
Who are you?
Unvote, vote: Centurion1
johnhughthom
05-05-2010, 00:17
Sorry, was going to make a more informative post but the phone went. I am Anakin Skywalker, I am sure the reason for my quiet game is obvious. I feared I would be highly susceptible to a conversion attempt (though my role doesn't mention this at all) so I've kept out of the way. Normally I don't mind being scum, but I hated the way Anakin's turning to the dark side was handled in the movies so I didn't want to turn in this.I have no abilities, apart from two defensive abilities in the event of my being attacked. It also seemed to be good roleplaying to be quiet, I mean why am I still not a master? :brood:
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 00:22
Wow, someone (TinCow) actually survived a Sith attack.
I believe that the Sith Lord is a Master, so we should look here first. So out of John, pevergreen, and Centurion; I wonder if one of these three are a Master. Has any of them claimed a role yet?
I was promoted to Knight a while back, I'm confirmed to be Kyp Durron.
Next...
Unvote; Vote: Centurion1
Time for an empirical analysis.
Confirmed not Starting Sith:
TinCow (Belth Allusis) - Roleblocked N8 when there were 2 Sith Kills, attacked by Sith on N12
Psychonaut (Obi-wan) - Roleblocked N9 when there were 2 Sith Kills, Roleblocked & Drained N10 when there was 1 Sith Kill
johnhughthom (Anakin Skywalker) - Roleblocked N12 when there were 2 Sith Kill Attempts
Very unlikely to be Starting Sith:
Diamondeye (Qui-gon) - Numerous night actions visible in the thread, including multiple nights with 2 visible actions while there were 2 Sith Kills
Choxorn (?) - Replacement Player
splitpersonality (Sifo-Dyas) - Replacement Player
Unlikely to be Starting Sith:
Askthepizzaguy (?) - Scanned earlier in the game as susceptible to the Dark Side, which was a different result than was returned against Niklas
Possible Starting Sith:
pevergreen (?) - Scumtastic, but has Niklas' unvote during the tie vote day in his favor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480812&viewfull=1#post2480812).
Subotan (Streen) - Drained N11, unknown whether that impacts Sith kill ability
Likely Starting Sith:
Centurion1 (?)
Please help fill in any evidence I am missing that moves people up or down on this list.
atheotes
05-05-2010, 01:48
Unlikely to be Starting Sith:
Askthepizzaguy (?) - Scanned earlier in the game as susceptible to the Dark Side, which was a different result than was returned against Niklas
Please help fill in any evidence I am missing that moves people up or down on this list.
I believe the scan on ATPG was different from the scan on Niklas (drain)
Centurion is a good lynch choice since we have next to no info on him. But pizza must be drained during the night.
Vote: Centurion
What of a plan of lynch Centurion1, then drain/roleblock two of 3 top suspects, then proceed to lynch the third if nothing comes up?
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 02:19
oh please im just a lazy lurker who cant be bothered to read the 81 pages yall put up in my rl time.
im a padawn.
but no go ahead and lynch me........ lets see what goes down.
vote: centurion1
YLC gets confirmed one night killed the next. *shakes head*
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 02:47
Why do you not block me as suggested already? I do not believe the drain does anything more than removing of a power. To me it would seem we would not be so fortunate as to have two blocking powers remaining. Use the block, that is more conclusive in my opinion.
Go ahead and drain me if necessary. If you were trying to be thorough you should block me instead, however. Unless someone knows something I don't about the drain. If it investigates, have at it, but remember I have the stealth power so that's still not conclusive.
I don't trust you guys. Nothing short of a block will convince you.
oh please im just a lazy lurker who cant be bothered to read the 81 pages yall put up in my rl time.
im a padawn.
but no go ahead and lynch me........ lets see what goes down.
vote: centurion1
There's both WIFOM here, and nothing to lead us to a better suspect. Not good. How about telling us who you are?
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 02:50
pevergreen (?) - Scumtastic, but has Niklas' unvote during the tie vote day in his favor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480812&viewfull=1#post2480812).
I take offence good sir!
Scumtastic indeed. :no:
edit: if the question mark is my name, I'm Kyp Durron, check the tie writeup with me and Niklas. Sigurd put two names in, one was him, the other is me...
One of my earlier posts is also alluding to that fact, but in a way in which none of you would understand. :wink:
I do not believe the drain does anything more than removing of a power.
IIRC the one Diamondeye has takes a power and checks alignment.
pever, the fact you were in the write-up means nothing. Niklas was also in the write-up, he was "Den Siva".
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 03:00
IIRC the one Diamondeye has takes a power and checks alignment.
But I do not know if Force Stealth counters that alignment check. Does Diamondeye know? If you do this, will I still be lynched anyway? I'm just saying one is more forceful and conclusive than the other. I'm not willing to leave any avenue open to the slight possibility of me still being a Sith in anyone's mind. Preferably while I am still alive.
Happy 7,000 my Rythmic friend.
What of a plan of lynch Centurion1, then drain/roleblock two of 3 top suspects, then proceed to lynch the third if nothing comes up?
Good plan. :bow:
vote: centurion1
But I do not know if Force Stealth counters that alignment check. Does Diamondeye know? If you do this, will I still be lynched anyway? I'm just saying one is more forceful and conclusive than the other. I'm not willing to leave any avenue open to the slight possibility of me still being a Sith in anyone's mind. Preferably while I am still alive.
Yes, of course a roleblock is more conclusive, by the very nature of it's purpose, blocking roles.
Happy 7,000 my Rythmic friend.
Cheers. Now to catch up to you.... or not. :wink2:
YLC gets confirmed one night killed the next. *shakes head*
Not a coincidence.
IIRC the one Diamondeye has takes a power and checks alignment.
This would be a good time to post all of your results Diamondeye. :yes:
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 04:44
But I do not know if Force Stealth counters that alignment check.
By invoking force Stealth your force susceptibility is hidden from prying force sensitive players.
Imma say, yes?
Diamondeye
05-05-2010, 07:59
What he said.
I was told it could hide me from alignment scans as well. Too little too late, as I said before. Being a known susceptible makes it worthless to me. Is yours different from mine somehow? Or did I overlook that part?
Vote: Johnhughthom unless I hear he was blocked as I requested.
Confirmed in case you needed that.
Not a coincidence.
This would be a good time to post all of your results Diamondeye. :yes:
I haven't gotten results from tonight (block john, scan spl1t), so I can't post them yet... The other results are as follows;
As you interrogate Subotan (Streen), you sense there is not much of interest in his mind. You find it difficult to read alignment, he is most likely not susceptible to the dark side.
You already have the Breath Control ability, and you find the knowledge in Streen. You remove it from his memory.
Sigurd
You go to Psychonaut and block him and then interrogate him.
You learn nothing much from Psychonaut and he has no available attack abilities. Neither does he have any protecting abilities or anti lynch abilities.
You learn that he could be susceptible to the dark side but it is hard to tell.
Sigurd
You visit with Den Siva (Niklas) and use force interrogation on him.
You sense the control breath ability in him and take if from him.
You also sense that he has other abilities, but they are shrouded from you.
You dig deeper but recoil as disturbing images of dying Jedi flashes before you. This Den Siva is not only susceptible to the dark side of the force, the dark side is very present in him.
(updating your role tomorrow when I get the game documents).
Sigurd
You go to Atris to use the force to interrogate her.
- She is dead when you arrive. Sadly you weren’t quick enough to heal her.
Sigurd
I'm going to go with vote:pevergreen, although Cent is definitely worth considering as well.
Waiting for results on Split but I suspect they do not change the picture or Sigurd would have been alarmed.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 08:32
As you interrogate Subotan (Streen), you sense there is not much of interest in his mind. You find it difficult to read alignment, he is most likely not susceptible to the dark side.
This should be followed up on. Any Sith Lord worth his salt should be able to defend himself from these scans. This is a major clue that you need to be more thorough. If I and others can defend against scans, then the Sith Lord most certainly can. Sith Lords are also notoriously difficult to read.... Palpatine moved among Jedi Masters all the time and none seriously suspected him until it was too late.
Do not be too hasty in striking him from the suspect list. He should be blocked.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 08:37
As a matter of fact, I'm going to place a bet on him.
unvote, vote: Subotan
johnhughthom
05-05-2010, 09:29
Vote: Cent
Ibn-Khaldun
05-05-2010, 09:32
ATPG, in that case you should vote for Psychonaut as well since it is said:
You learn that he could be susceptible to the dark side but it is hard to tell.
So, there is no clue in there. You find clues where there are none.
I'm with Pizza on this one - think about it, it either says yes, no or maybe. Subotan's just seems quite out of the ordinary, both empty, yet full capable of obfuscating an investigation. Also, did Pyschonaut claim two other defensive abilities, besides the anti-lynch one? Why would Sigurd claim he had no more?
However, before we all just jump on Subotan, lets let DE post this nights block and scan - see if there aren't any similarities.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 09:37
A summary of my case, since Subotan earlier asked for a case against him besides all the repeated and unnecessary and characteristically scummy usage of the word "we", so I will.
Here's his activity all game, with my commentary. 80posts per page.
Subotan
Page 1:
pre-game commentary
Page 2:
Vote: Lord Winter
quick to accept my Godfather theory.
Safest possible vote.
Page 3:
Nothing
Page 4:
Against mass role reveals
Against networks
Vote: Beskar
Agreeing too easily with role reveal and network sentiment. Seemed contrived and meant to blend in.
Page 5:
Post 323- unhelpful and bad theory
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2469581&viewfull=1#post2469581
This theory strikes me as quite misleading in retrospect.
Page 6
Vote: ATPG
Bandwagons me, which scum do.
Page 7
Defends ACIN
Anti-bandwagon post
"I notice how a lot of those people swoop down like bats onto other voters when they vote without any reasoning."
After bandwagoning me- interesting.
Overreaction to lynch of Hoth- feels entirely fake.
"Good Job Team".
Anti-network stance seems like overacting.
Anti-bandwagon stance is internally inconsistent with his bandwagoning of Beskar and myself. He's not being honest. He's also quite melodramatic (rich coming from me, I am sure, but it is not characteristic of Subotan to be this way. it seems fake)
Page 8:
So you're saying that we shouldn't be concerned if someone is revealed to be, say, Palpatine?
Spreads baseless anti-Zabrak fear.
Vote:AVSM
His arguments to-date have all been designed to lead us the wrong way. Especially with regards to Zabraks and Palpatine. Then he returns to the safest possible vote.
Page 9:
Post 738 feels like overacting.
Spreads more anti-AVSM sentiment.
Spreads more anti-Beskar sentiment.
AVSM won't defend himself, and Beskar is being attacked at too many angles to narrow down to Subotan.
Page 10-11:
Also, we don't know who Mace Windu is, as he isn't trying to organise the town on the sole basis of "Hey guys I'm unlynchable trust me".
More of the same warrantless anti-Dooku sentiment.
"We shouldn't be confiding in anyone at all who isn't 100% pro-town. Anyone who isn't and suggests that we should be confiding in them alone should be treated with suspicion, as you rightly are"
Captain paranoia?
Vote: Beskar
"Both of those are the most likely outcomes. Either Beskar has converted, voluntarily or not, or there is a Sith in his network. The only other possibility is that we have a very lucky Sith, which is unlikely."
Stating the obvious.
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Psycho, who should we be voting for then?
I highly doubt that Beskar is permanently unlynchable, especially if he is convertible.
Nevermind, Niklas beat me to it.
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"Not be Beskar or ATPG"
Clearly nervous about both players.
"Of course, it is "scummy" to be voting for Beskar when there is loads of evidence piled up against him, but just the done thing when it's done to Belisaurus when he hasn't even been given a chance to respond" :rolleyes:
Seems to be arguing based solely on fear, irritation, or other emotions.
"Now, we are now doing exactly that to Belisaurus. Sith-hide-much?"
Doesn't feel like realistic investigatory statements. He's too quick to bandwagon and follow, he's aggressive but spineless. Willing to bend to whoever is trusted, and be more aggressive than one expects from a vanilla townie at this stage. Everything is more dramatic than natural.
Long period of silence.
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Vote: AVSM
Less lurking, more lynching
His voting pattern so far is utterly atrocious. He puts votes only on people who are later Wogged, lynched, or myself.
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Post 1527 is interesting.
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Vote: Thermal
Here he contradicts earlier sentiments he gave about "swooping in and voting without reasons."
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HOS: Joooray
Feels totally unnatural and out of place. You don't see him doing this HoS stuff very much. After being called on it's utter bizarreness, he doesn't do it again.
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Vote: Greyblades
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Vote: Autolycus
Vote pevergreen
No realistic rhyme or reason here. Ends up sparing Niklas of the lynch, too.
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No vote.
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So basically ATPG, you're saying we shoould all follow your opinion.
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Vote: W_E
I don't think we should lynch Diamondeye"
Odd voting pattern, then defending Diamondeye. Seems to be trying to act pro-town by sucking up to DE.
"It's a waste of a lynch. There are scummier individuals such as pevergreen and WE who don't have the alibis that Diamondeyes has. We should investigate him tonight, or if anyone else can, drain that lynch ability from him if you're concerned."
Attempts to control who gets investigated.
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I would like to hear ATPG's case for me being Sith. Something more substantial than the use of the word "We", please.
Post 2295: "I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online."
Vote: John
As if that investigation proved anything. Then wagoning my suspect John?
I cannot find any townie thought process that Subotan is using. He's simply voting for whoever is convenient.
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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2482571&viewfull=1#post2482571
This entire post reeks of guilt.
Plus he triggered mine and several other people's scum-dar earlier in the game for spending too much time playing the Nintendo "we". Then this investigation is nowhere near conclusive.
Analysis of his discussion contributions leads to the following:
1. First half of the game, he votes as safely as possible and makes statements which blend in to extant anti-reveal and anti-network sentiment. His voting pattern here is so bad, I can't explain it any other way than classic scum suspicion avoidance tactics. Going after AVSM and Lord Winter, and easy punching bags like Beskar and myself (only when popular, mind you!) is extremely bad.
2. Second half of the game, his votes usually have no reasons attached, nor do they make much sense. His suspects are varied and almost always end up dead soon thereafter, by lynch or murder. This is a noticeable shift in his voting strategy, right about the time Niklas dies.
3. His proposed theories all game long have been dead wrong, the kind of wrong which results in delays if you follow his reasoning. Damaging theories which if we followed, we might have been in even worse shape. I mention some in my above analysis.
4. Occasional mentions of Niklas' posts, in terms of "oh good, he did a tally" but that's the extent of his focus on Niklas. He acknowledges his name and his presence in the thread, in a curious way. Those little comments betray a consciousness of Niklas in particular in the game, but a desire to avoid accusing him or interacting with him too heavily. Later he helps create the tie that spares Niklas, by voting for pevergreen, which he doesn't even follow up on the next day.
5. He's focused on me in particular, in an inconsistent way. At times he's annoyed I'm even alive, and is quick to bandwagon me. Then, in at least TWO reversals, he suddenly agrees with my analysis or votes for who I say. But the quick shift to buddy-buddy doesn't seem sincere, because he then seems annoyed by the idea of anyone listening to me. Frequent mentions of things like "oh sure, ATPG is always right :rolleyes:" but then, whenever it is convenient, he will quickly vote for my suspect.
6. Other internal inconsistencies. He hates networks and bandwagoning, yet he is willing to follow the network's advice whenever it is convenient for him. He also bandwagons like a mother. He says and then does the opposite.
7. He's very defensive, and aggressive at the same time, but his offense seems totally contrived and his defense seems nervous. He's quick to paint himself as part of the group with words like "team" and "we" and also offer suggestion as to who gets investigated or blocked. Granted I do that as well, but he's almost as assertive in that regard as me. If he was such a vanilla townie, I would suspect he would be fine with whatever the town network came up with, especially given the fact he doesn't want to work with them this game. Oh wait... he does.
With an investigation result like that, I think you've found your Sith Lord. If you don't lynch him, you must block him.
I haven't gotten results from tonight (block john, scan spl1t), so I can't post them yet... The other results are as follows
Do you have any of Chaotix's results?
Unvote; Vote: Subotan
On the short list, let's explore ATPG's case for a little while. Worth noting though that both Subotan and Centrurion1 voted pever during the pever/Niklas tie. Whichever is not lynched today needs to be blocked tonight.
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 12:10
Oh wow that's an intensive investigation
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 12:15
Oh and my name is mas amedda a padawan I'm one of those twileks? I believe
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 13:09
[Bunvote;]
I vote for cinnamon, extra icing.
Why is such a definite investigation as the one above being used as "proof" that I am scum? "Most likely not susceptible" is about as good as it appears it’s going to get in this game, especially when compared to the other investigation results revealed, particularly when compared to Niklas’.
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And ATPG, you’re being unfair. If my posts appear inconsistent, then it is because my understanding of the game changes. Look, you say that my vote for Beskar “Seemed contrived and meant to blend in.”. Sure, now that we all know that Beskar was in fact a Jedi master my posts look silly, but after several people who had revealed to Count Dooku were killed by the Sith, it wasn’t difficult to be tricked by Niklas and connect the dots. You’re a good enough player to know that we don’t have all of the information all throughout the game, so obviously as some of my ideas are proved wrong and I subsequently change my opinion, it is going to look in hindsight as if I am being inconsistent.
<o:p></o:p>
You ignore context throughout your posts. You say my vote for Thermal Mercury was “contradictory”, just after commenting on my analysis as to why I thought TM was scum! Likewise, you frown upon my attempts to “control who is being investigated”; coming from you of all people! Meanwhile, Cent1 wanders on, apparently blissfully oblivious to the debate surrounding the fact that he has contributed nothing to the whole game. I have seen enough of Cent's behavious to see that he is clearly not pro-town, and his response to the accusations made against him was pitifully inadequate. Even if he's not a Sith, it's better to not have someone around who can easily be misled by one of them.
Vote:Centurion1
Subotan, why did you feel the need to compose that reply in Microsoft Word?
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 14:17
Why is such a definite investigation as the one above being used as "proof" that I am scum?
It's an investigation, which is explicitly not conclusive. It says "most likely", it does not say "absolutely".
You find it difficult to read alignment, he is most likely not susceptible to the dark side.
Difficult to read? And why is that? Is that because you have some power that protects you from investigations, Subotan? Why would he have a hard time reading you correctly. Can you shed some light on that?
"Most likely not susceptible" is about as good as it appears it’s going to get in this game, especially when compared to the other investigation results revealed, particularly when compared to Niklas’.
Niklas' result was more conclusive. But if you have a protection from investigation, then yours will not be conclusive.
"This Den Siva is not only susceptible to the dark side of the force, the dark side is very present in him."
And ATPG, you’re being unfair. If my posts appear inconsistent, then it is because my understanding of the game changes.
That's one explanation.
Look, you say that my vote for Beskar “Seemed contrived and meant to blend in.”. Sure, now that we all know that Beskar was in fact a Jedi master my posts look silly, but after several people who had revealed to Count Dooku were killed by the Sith, it wasn’t difficult to be tricked by Niklas and connect the dots.
A townie has no knowledge of who will be murdered at night.
A mafia has an idea who he will murder at night. Over the course of the game, the mafioso will have subconsciously revealed that they, apparently, have ESP. Those who they vote for tend to end up dead, unless that person is likely to be lynched. Usually, a mafioso murders those who don't seem likely to be lynched, or those who are apparently important townie roles. The reason is, you don't want to leave alive a person you've been accusing and isn't likely to be lynched. Eventually they will vote for you.
Your voting pattern to date indicates that you have ESP.
Not only have you been completely off the mark regarding who is or isn't scummy, but you've also given very bad advice and you've also been able to predict who lives and who dies.
Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen, yes? Your dark side is showing.
You’re a good enough player to know that we don’t have all of the information all throughout the game, so obviously as some of my ideas are proved wrong and I subsequently change my opinion, it is going to look in hindsight as if I am being inconsistent.
Not that often, and not based on no reason at all.
Explain why you switched your vote to pever on the Niklas tie round. Explain all your other votes since then.
Likewise, you frown upon my attempts to “control who is being investigated”; coming from you of all people!
Do you seriously expect me to consider myself a real suspect? Others may, and they may block me to satisfy those fantasies. But I am not delusional.
Meanwhile, Cent1 wanders on, apparently blissfully oblivious to the debate surrounding the fact that he has contributed nothing to the whole game. I have seen enough of Cent's behavious to see that he is clearly not pro-town,
ORLY. Centurion1 may have contributed nothing, but he's been far less damaging to our efforts than you have. All your bad theories, bad votes, and good predictions about who will live and who will die have created a black aura around you.
and his response to the accusations made against him was pitifully inadequate. Even if he's not a Sith, it's better to not have someone around who can easily be misled by one of them.
Better still to have someone around who isn't trying actively to manipulate the vote tally or convince people all game of things which aren't true.
Vote:Centurion1
You'd best bring more than your little lightning bolts to the showdown with me tonight, Subo.
I'm in college (High School), and when I'm on the school computers, I often time-out whilst writing a post.
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 14:18
Would the formatting carry over?
Diamondeye
05-05-2010, 14:19
I'm not buying the case on Subotan for the lynch. I think we should go ahead with this lynch; I'm suspicious of why people like it. Sure, the scan of Subo is not bulletproof, but a block probably be enough to find out whether or not he is in fact the sith.
Subotan, honestly I don't agree with much of ATPG's case against you. He's reading a lot of stuff into your posts that I am not seeing. That said, I voted for you just to see your reaction. That last post of yours was very polished... too polished. It looks to me like you spent a lot of time tweaking it to get it just right. An innocent reply is a spontaneous reply, not one that took a long time to compose.
There's also this interesting post by you:
@Tincow
Take a look at how Barrison was killed
Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.
There are two problems with this post. First, you were trying to suggest that a night kill where the killer had amber eyes and used a red lightsaber was not Sith. Second, you say that Force Lightning is a Jedi Knight ability. I just searched the entire thread for information on Force Lightning, and I did not see ANY posts which mentioned what rank could use it. There is no reason why you should have thought it was a Jedi Knight ability, so why did you say that?
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 14:28
Subotan, look at your ESP:
Subotan voted for:
Lord Winter- got WOGed
Beskar- Got killed
ATPG- nearly lynched several times
AVSM- got WOGed, replacement got murdered.
Beskar- Killed
AVSM- got WOGed, replacement got murdered.
Thermal- lynched
Joooray- murdered
Greyblades- Lynched
Autolycus- Lynched
pevergreen- close to being lynched before and recently.
WhiteEyes- Lynched
Johnhughthom- nearly lynched recently.
Centurion1- looks like he's toast....
The force is strong with you. The dark side I sense in you.
Difficult to read? And why is that? Is that because you have some power that protects you from investigations, Subotan? Why would he have a hard time reading you correctly. Can you shed some light on that?
Niklas' result was more conclusive. But if you have a protection from investigation, then yours will not be conclusive.
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I do not have a protection from investigation because I am not Sith. I don’t know how I can make this more clear to you.
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A townie has no knowledge of who will be murdered at night.
A mafia has an idea who he will murder at night. Over the course of the game, the mafioso will have subconsciously revealed that they, apparently, have ESP. Those who they vote for tend to end up dead, unless that person is likely to be lynched. Usually, a mafioso murders those who don't seem likely to be lynched, or those who are apparently important townie roles. The reason is, you don't want to leave alive a person you've been accusing and isn't likely to be lynched. Eventually they will vote for you.
Your voting pattern to date indicates that you have ESP.
Not only have you been completely off the mark regarding who is or isn't scummy, but you've also given very bad advice and you've also been able to predict who lives and who dies.
Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen, yes? Your dark side is showing.
<o:p></o:p>
Of the votes which you mentioned in your posts, half of those who died died due to town lynch. The other half are still alive. Where are you getting this from?
<o:p></o:p>
Do you seriously expect me to consider myself a real suspect? Others may, and they may block me to satisfy those fantasies. But I am not delusional
I wasn’t saying that. I was just confused as to why you think offering opinions on what the town should do was a scum-tell.<o:p></o:p>
Class now, I’ll post more later.<o:p></o:p>
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 14:40
Of the votes which you mentioned in your posts, half of those who died died due to town lynch. The other half are still alive. Where are you getting this from?
If I were to examine the voting patterns of townies, they would have voted for many of the people still alive right now. Because they don't know who will get murdered. They don't know who the Sith are. They don't know who will survive and who will not survive. But the mafia do know.
The mafia sees what townies cannot: which is what the mafia is thinking.
Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Choxorn
Diamondeye
johnhughthom
pevergreen
Psychonaut
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow
These are the remaining living players. Should I examine their voting record, how many of them do you think would have voted for players like Psychonaut, Diamondeye, or Tincow? There's a reason for that. They don't know that such players would still be around, still be alive, to vote for them. And, they also don't care. I can vote for Tincow and I am not concerned about him voting me to death later. However, if you are mafia and you vote for Tincow, eventually you have to deal with Tincow. Because you're nervous about keeping someone alive that you have accused.
But what I see in your voting pattern is that you seem to know who won't be alive at the end of the game. Because you have it in your list of priorities to lynch or murder certain people, to eliminate certain threats. Obviously there's less need to murder someone you haven't voted for and who isn't accusing you. Someone you are working with, and someone who perhaps shares your viewpoint. Someone you've been gaining favor with, like Diamondeye. Obviously you don't need to murder him, he's CLEARED you.
And you seem to know who will end up dead. I had no idea Tincow would still be alive. I had no idea Diamondeye or Psychonaut would still be alive. Many others had no idea. So, they were legitimate suspects. And we voted for them.
You, on the other hand, knew who would live and who would die. Your votes predict who ends up dead. (or nearly such... close votes like ATPG and pevergreen nearly got them lynched)
You have mafia ESP, Subotan.
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 14:55
pevergreen wonders why ATPG refers to himself in third person.
pevergreen thinks ATPG may be coming down with something he caught from this man:
https://img691.imageshack.us/img691/458/therocki.jpg
pever, if your'e the Sith Lord, I'll crown you Darth Lulz :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 15:08
Askthepizzaguy always speaks in the third person when he is laying the smacketh down.
Diamondeye
05-05-2010, 15:35
You sound convincing, ATPG.
I think I'm going with the unvote; vote: Subotan, then, in fact. Cent's too inactive for me to think of him as super scummy anyway.
atheotes
05-05-2010, 15:55
It will be helpful to look at more investigation results....if we have any.
Right now we have only 3 (Subotan, Niklas, Psychonaut) and all all three are different.
@ Subotan - Do you have the ability to hide your force powers? What other abilities do you have?
till he answers,
unvote: Centurion, vote: Subotan
It will be helpful to look at more investigation results....if we have any.
Right now we have only 3 (Subotan, Niklas, Psychonaut) and all all three are different.
:yes: If anyone has any of Chaotix's results, please post them.
Before I go to bed. ATPG, fantastic analysis. :bow:
unvote: Centurion, vote: Subotan
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 17:41
What time does thiks phase end
White_eyes:D
05-05-2010, 18:02
Askthepizzaguy always speaks in the third person when he is laying the smacketh down.:laugh4:
johnhughthom
05-05-2010, 18:51
There are two problems with this post. First, you were trying to suggest that a night kill where the killer had amber eyes and used a red lightsaber was not Sith. Second, you say that Force Lightning is a Jedi Knight ability. I just searched the entire thread for information on Force Lightning, and I did not see ANY posts which mentioned what rank could use it. There is no reason why you should have thought it was a Jedi Knight ability, so why did you say that?
Interesting, I'll see if Subo replies before deciding whether to change my vote. Although you've had time to answer...
If I were to examine the voting patterns of townies, they would have voted for many of the people still alive right now. Because they don't know who will get murdered. They don't know who the Sith are. They don't know who will survive and who will not survive. But the mafia do know
That is such a paranoid and unfounded allegation. Seeing as only 1/4 of all people who signed up are now alive, 5/14 of my votes still being alive isn't exactly evidence of some Grand Master Plan.
You sound convincing, ATPG.
There is a direct correlation between the length of posts and the gullibility of their readers.
Subotan, honestly I don't agree with much of ATPG's case against you. He's reading a lot of stuff into your posts that I am not seeing. That said, I voted for you just to see your reaction. That last post of yours was very polished... too polished. It looks to me like you spent a lot of time tweaking it to get it just right. An innocent reply is a spontaneous reply, not one that took a long time to compose.
I admit, I did spend a lot of time polishing it. Rolling your head on the keyboard as a defence against Pizza is not a good strategy to keep yourself from being lynched.
There are two problems with this post. First, you were trying to suggest that a night kill where the killer had amber eyes and used a red lightsaber was not Sith. Second, you say that Force Lightning is a Jedi Knight ability. I just searched the entire thread for information on Force Lightning, and I did not see ANY posts which mentioned what rank could use it. There is no reason why you should have thought it was a Jedi Knight ability, so why did you say that?
I skim read that write-up, and missed the bit about the eyes. I check write-ups in the 5 minute break before lessons I have in the morning, so...
I didn't know who used it. I figured that all the Masters were confirmed pro-town, so for my theory to stack up it had to have been one of the Knights. Of course, now it seems silly, but I was just putting the possibility out there.
Diamondeye
05-05-2010, 19:41
unvote; vote: Cent1
I'm on the fence here, so I'm going with the unscanned one, for what it's worth.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 20:45
@Subotan:
Explain why you voted for autolycus, then voted for pever, on the round Niklas slipped away. Why did you make those votes? Why did you not vote the next round?
Explain all of your votes/HoS' since then. Why do you not? Here, let's take them one at a time.
Lord Winter- Is an easy target, because he won't respond. There's no danger in voting him and he won't retaliate. Becomes choxorn who is quiet enough to not be a threat to you, and who rarely votes.
Beskar- You were only too happy to bandwagon him.
Beskar : 15 (Andres, ATPG, auto, Chaotix, Diamondeye, GH, Methos, Niklas, pever, Renata, Sasaki, Secura, Subotan, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
ATPG- wagon wagon wagon.... then right afterward, you complain about people "swooping in" to vote without reason. It's not consistent.
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (ACIN, Sasaki, Subotan, TinCow)
AVSM- Another easy target. No danger, no retaliation.
A Very Super Market: 1 (Subotan)
Beskar- Here, you're still riding the anti-Dooku sentiment to avoid having to make a controversial vote. He's dead by now, by murder.
Beskar: 3 (pever, Subotan, Yaseikhaan)
AVSM- Sheer lazy. YLC who replaced him is dead. More of that same wagoning.
A Very Super Market: 6 (Diamondeye, Greyblades, Kage, Niklas, Psycho, Subotan)
Thermal- Who ended up lynched. No muss, no fuss. No retaliation.
Thermal Mercury: 6 (ATPG, autolycus, Chaotix, GH, Greyblades, Subotan)
Joooray- Who ended up murdered. Another person you found scummy is silenced. What was your reason for that bizarre HoS, anyway?
Greyblades- Lynched of course. Can't vote you back, now that he is dead.
Greyblades: 5 (Diana, johnhugh, Secura, Subotan, TinCow)
Autolycus- EXPLAIN this vote. Of course he later winds up both dead and innocent.
pevergreen- EXPLAIN this vote. This is the one that spares Niklas. What were your reasons? Why didn't you follow up?
Of those, Renata, White Eyes are dead. Centurion1 is as good as dead. John is proven innocent. That leaves you as the only other person who seemingly intentionally spared Niklas.
WHY did you vote for pevergreen? Why did you leave it on him?
Niklas: 5 (atheotes, autolycus, Diana, Split, TinCow)
pevergreen: 5 (Centurion, johnhugh, Renata, Subotan, WE:D)
No vote when Niklas gets lynched.
Not voting: 7 (atheotes, AVSM, Centurion1, johnhugh, split, Subotan, WE:D)
WhiteEyes- Lynched of course. He's a nice soft target to go after.
White_Eyes:D: 6 (autolycus, Choxorn, Diamondeye, Renata, Subotan, YLC)
Johnhughthom- nearly lynched recently, until he was found innocent by being blocked, I believe.
Centurion1- looks like he's toast....
Of those alive, you voted for: (underlined)
Askthepizzaguy- I'm only alive because there's been strong sentiment all game to lynch me "maybe next round... let's block him... let's investigate him" which wastes time. Plus I am susceptible to the dark side, so if you ever needed an ally, here I am. But I'm too much lynchbait for you. What a shame.
Centurion1- Notice how you only ever found him scummy when others did? Once he's dead, he's one less vote for you to worry about. He's practically dead already.
Choxorn- You voted for Lord Winter, he wasn't choxorn at the time. He got WOG'ed so obviously that was a bad vote, and no realistic way you can vote for choxorn now. He's also been too inactive to warrant your attention.
Diamondeye- He cleared you (with an inconclusive investigation) He's your bestest buddy right now. Now, he's innocent, but as long as he's directing the vote elsewhere, you don't mind him alive.
johnhughthom- You voted for him before. Well he seems innocent now. He's not as aggressive with his vote, so he's not been a priority.
pevergreen- easy punching bag. You still have yet to explain why you voted him on the Niklas tie. He's easy lynchbait, so that's why you haven't murdered him.
Psychonaut- Perhaps he's too dangerous to attack at night, and so long as he's not voting for you he's not a pressing issue.
splitpersonality- Stepped in for Jolt who dropped from the game. Less likely to be someone you can get a wagon on, and he voted for John, Niklas, nobody, nobody, and you recently, but with no supporting votes. Obviously not a huge threat to you.
TinCow- Another nest of vipers you've steered clear from all game. Perhaps because TinCow's been focused on others, mentioning you here and there but never putting too much pressure on you.
When I add that with who you did vote for who is now deceased, the pattern is very clear. You're an opportunist, and those you vote for wind up dead by the lynch or the murder. Those who remain have very good reasons why they aren't dead yet. Their survival provides cover for you, or in the case of John, until recently he was able to provide cover for you, and in the case of pevergreen, he's tempting lynchbait, and in the case of me, you know that I will continue to attract votes and blocks and investigations off of you. Besides, why would you kill someone as tempting as a Sith recruitable?
The dark side is strong with you, Subotan. You need to go back and respond to the case against you. Your defense was measured, it appeals to pity, and avoids all of the harder questions to answer. That investigation result would not pass the sniff test in any other game, but here you cling to it as if it proves something, in a game where we KNOW there are powers which mess with investigation results.
:laugh4: It's absurd to use that result as a defense, especially when IMO it points more towards your guilt than anything else.
nothing to see here... yet
Diamondeye
05-05-2010, 20:52
((Do we have any kind of tally? We need to make sure Niklas doesn't tie it))
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 20:55
I haven't read that carefully so take this with a grain of salt, but TinCow's bit about gender is way better than the ESP stuff.
I haven't read that carefully so take this with a grain of salt, but TinCow's bit about gender is way better than the ESP stuff.
Yeah, hold onto that for a moment... may have made an error.
nothing to see here... yet
Copied and saved, let me know when you want it back :wink:
At least people are paying attention to my rantings now.
atheotes
05-05-2010, 21:00
I haven't read that carefully so take this with a grain of salt, but TinCow's bit about gender is way better than the ESP stuff.
I am not voting for Subotan based on the ESP stuff... just based on his investigation result and the fact that he has not answered me.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 21:01
I suggest everyone take a look at TinCow's lengthy analysis of gender and nightkills :p
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:01
I saw Tincow's case and it is perhaps the only thing that will move me off of Subotan.
What was the error?
Ok, here's what I posted in the edited post above:
I've been combing through the thread today, trying to put together the evidence. I spent a while reading the write-ups, and noticed that Sigurd really is giving signatures to the Sith killers. There was the lightsaber killer (Niklas) and the Amber Eyes killer, who is still at large. I took a look at Niklas' cover role (Den Siva (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Den_Siva)) and his Sith role (Darth Nihl (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihl)), and noticed something interesting... they're both the same gender and species: Male Nagai.
At that point, I started trying to identify the Amber Eyes killer. While doing so I ran across Darth Talon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Talon). Not only does Darth Talon have yellow eyes, like our killer, she was the partner of Darth Nihl. Both of them were the assistants of Darth Krayt, and they were called Krayt's Hands. Note the gender and race of Darth Talon: Twi'lek Female.
Now, take a look at our list of remaining players and their admitted roles:
TinCow (Belth Allusis)
Psychonaut (Obi-wan)
johnhughthom (Anakin Skywalker)
Diamondeye (Qui-gon)Re
Choxorn (?)
splitpersonality (Sifo-Dyas)
Askthepizzaguy (Nomi Sunrider)
pevergreen (Kyp Durron)
Subotan (Streen)
Centurion1 (Mas Amedda)
There is a grand total of ONE Twi'lek Female in that list: Centurion1 (Mas Amedda). While I cannot find Choxorn's role, he is a replacement player and unlikely to have been a starting Sith for that reason. Since Centurion1 is a major suspect anyway, this is enough to push me over the edge.
Unvote; Vote: Centurion1
I recommend that he be lynched today. Subotan is at least talking and defending himself, we can work with that and block him tonight. Centurion1 is unhelpful and doesn't participate in the discussion. Get rid of him first.
The reason I ID'd Centurion1 as a Twi'lek was because he said he was one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483130&viewfull=1#post2483130). Unfortunately, he's wrong about himself... Mas Amedda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mas_Amedda) is actually a Male Chagrian. So, my above analysis is not correct.
However, this raises another interesting question... why did he think he was a Twi'lek? Perhaps because that's the race of his Sith role? Another thing to note... if gender really does have something to do with it, there's only one female left in this game: ATPG (Nomi Sunrider).
Sorry if this wasn't as strong as I originally thought it was... my mistake for posting it slightly faster than I should have. Regardless, I still think Cent is a better lynch here than Subotan.
Unvote; Vote: Centurion1
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:05
It certainly has it's charm. I especially like the part where he claimed he was a Twi'lek and that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Make sure Subotan is blocked though, just in case.
unvote, vote: Centurion1
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 21:06
That's even better.
-edit-
Pizza. Wasn't I ahead of you after Shadow Fort? Did you make a thread in the spartan total war forum and post in it 500 times or something?
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:14
Pizza. Wasn't I ahead of you after Shadow Fort? Did you make a thread in the spartan total war forum and post in it 500 times or something?
No, I am afraid Subotan is to blame, once again.
C-3PO: This is all YOUR fault!
He hosted the Haiku Mafia, where I was only allowed to post in Haikus.... one per post max. it's really hard to make an intelligent case on someone with such post restrictions, and you saw a lot of people (not just myself) quintuple/sextuple/nonuple posting.
I didn't earn any of those posts. It is my secret shame. That and being the Sith lord, of course.
There is another level to this that I feel the need to mention. If the amber eyes killer does indeed turn out to be Darth Talon, that means that Sigurd intentionally made both of the Sith Krayt's Hands. That would not be a coincidence. If both of Krayt's Hands are in this game, and the game does not end with Darth Talon's death, it almost certainly means that Darth Krayt (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt) himself is also in this game. In fact, I'd say that's probably likely... as it stands right now, we're looking at 2 mafioso in a 40 person game. That seems like a VERY small number to me. It would make far more sense if it was three mafioso, two killers (Darth Nihl and Darth Talon) and one 'Godfather' (Darth Krayt).
If this theory turns out to be correct, there is one very strong candidate for Darth Krayt: ATPG. Why? Because he described this exact set-up of the game after the very first write-up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2468817&viewfull=1#post2468817).
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 21:18
I should dig up one of his shadow fort quotes about "I kept telling you guys the dead could attack".
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:19
Rule of two, Tincow. Sorry.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2478575&viewfull=1#post2478575
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/HolocronPlaque4.png
That was also separate from the murders. It's straight from Sigurd himself. Nice thinking though.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 21:20
It does say "should be" :p
Being under suspicion is fun Pizza.
Rule of two, Tincow. Sorry.
That's why you're not the best lynch today. My point was that you need to be removed IF the Amber Eyes killer is Darth Talon and IF the game does not end with Darth Talon's death. If either of those conditions are not true, then my theory holds no water.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:22
It does say "should be" :p
Being under suspicion is fun Pizza.
It is, though. Besides I already confessed.
What's even more fun is thinking that I was the Sith Godfather all along, after the game I've played. God that would have been an awesome performance. Sorry I can't claim credit. But if you wish, I will curse all of your names as you drag me to the airlock, and wish bad things upon you. I've wanted to all game long. :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:29
Wait a minute... are you suggesting that Nomi Sunrider is packing?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt
Darth Krayt is a male.
Check under my skirt.... IF YOU DARE!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHHAA...... :evil:
@Subotan:
Explain why you voted for autolycus, then voted for pever, on the round Niklas slipped away. Why did you make those votes? Why did you not vote the next round?
Same reason you did, at that point in time:
Oh, I agree with your candidates [Niklas/White_Eyes]. But, I think you're scummy as well, and I think I could be wrong about my candidates, and if so, those are the easy lynches and you went directly for them.
I did not want a huge runaway bandwagon to develop on some of the other candidates, ACIN style (Which, contrary to what you assumed, I was genuinely livid about, and I raged to Sigurd about it). I then switched to pever as Tincow demonstrated compelling evidence that he was behaving suspiciously. And if anyone saved Niklas, it was himself. I didn't come online the .Org for the rest of the day.
I didn't vote for Niklas the following day because I was extremely busy with schoolwork (I had already missed several "final" deadlines :sweatdrop... ). Besides, it's not like you needed my help, and there were others who voted for him as well.
When I add that with who you did vote for who is now deceased, the pattern is very clear. You're an opportunist, and those you vote for wind up dead by the lynch or the murder. Those who remain have very good reasons why they aren't dead yet. Their survival provides cover for you, or in the case of John, until recently he was able to provide cover for you, and in the case of pevergreen, he's tempting lynchbait, and in the case of me, you know that I will continue to attract votes and blocks and investigations off of you. Besides, why would you kill someone as tempting as a Sith recruitable?
Absolute rubbish. I've already demonstrated why your maths doesn't stack up. Statistically, if 3/4 of the players are killed, then 3/4 of whoever any given player votes for are going to die.
:laugh4: It's absurd to use that result as a defense, especially when IMO it points more towards your guilt than anything else.
This is of course ignoring the fact that a mafioso would likely have to give up one of his kills to avoid investigation, but whatever. We all know that your opinion actually means fact.
pevergreen
05-05-2010, 21:42
Unvote, Vote: Subotan
Wewt I managed to stay awake! I'm not going to miss class for the third day in a row!
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 21:43
Cheer up Subotan. I may be eating humble pie once again due to Tincow's excellent baking skills. And you might get cleared tonight by the block. Or I might. And that will put an end to all of this nonsense about ESP.
I never believed a word of that anyway. I was um.... just putting on some pressure. :creep:
Tally:
Centurion1: 7 (Choxorn, Centurion1, johnhughthom, Subotan, DE, TinCow, ATPG
Subotan: 3 (atheotes, Psychonaut, pevergreen)
I recommend against making the vote any closer than this. Centurion1 is a solid lynch, no matter how you look at it. Let's keep the votes skewed like this to prevent mafioso manipulation.
Note that Centurion1 is voting for himself, and Niklas has not voted yet. With the vote tally as it stands right now, the two of them together could swing the vote to 6:5, which is too close for comfort. Another vote on Centurion1 would be nice.
Your tally is incorrect.
vote: Subotan
Mwahahahaha.
Cheer up Subotan. I may be eating humble pie once again due to Tincow's excellent baking skills.
Baked in the oven of shame at gas mark egg-on-your-face?
:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2010, 22:02
Baked in the oven of shame at gas mark egg-on-your-face?
:laugh4:
Hey, just doing my job. Someone's got to put real or imagined pressure on peeps. Centurion1 was also high on my suspect list, but the result on Subotan seemed like it was just neutral enough where Sigurd could go "well I did say 'most likely', I didn't say it was a slam dunk". Plus I just had a bad feeling about Subotan. Unfortunately the true lurker escapes my detection once again. That's why I think Tincow is a good analyst. In a recent game he questioned why I thought that, iirc, but it's quite clear his analytical skills should not be sold short.
I'm also not so completely blind to my own fallibility that I couldn't immediately toss away all the work I did this round accusing Subotan and putting pressure on him for a candidate I sincerely thought was better. It's better to have egg on your face and victory, than getting your way and defeat.
Your tally is incorrect.
vote: Subotan
Mwahahahaha.
So scum count bunvotes as real votes, eh? Interesting.
EDIT:
And that will put an end to all of this nonsense about ESP.
:brood:
Ok, I'm running into coincidences all over the place now. I've been reading all kinds of Wookiepedia stuff on the Rule of Two/Rule of One/Darth Krayt, etc. lately. Apparently Darth Krayt was eventually killed by Darth Wyyrlok III (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Wyyrlok_%28III%29), who Wookiepedia describes as "the most trusted servant of Darth Krayt." Not only that, he was marked as 'the Third' because his mother (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Wyyrlok_%28II%29)and grandfather (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Wyyrlok_%28I%29)had the same names and had also been Sith Lords. ALL of them served Darth Krayt. All three of them were Chagrian... and I and III were both Male. In addition, Darth Wyyrlok III became the Master of Darth Nihl after Darth Krayt's death, and he had yellow eyes... like our current killer.
Like I noted before, Centurion1 is a Chagrian Male. Darth Wyyrlok III also fits better into the 'force user' killer than Darth Talon does, if you read his abilities.
*shrug* We'll find out soon I guess.
Only two mafia really doesn't seem like a lot in a 40 player game but I guess their potential ability to recruit was meant to balance this out.
Just wanted to point that out, otherwise good case on Centurion.
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 22:44
How about stupid case on centurion a wall of text does not a good case make his case assumes I actually know all south star wars which I most deibwtly do not I deleted my original role pm AB Olympic have an addendum to off of second of all I never said I WA female finally LOL our just Wrong bit hey wait for a surprise
How about stupid case on centurion a wall of text does not a good case make his case assumes I actually know all south star wars which I most deibwtly do not I deleted my original role pm AB Olympic have an addendum to off of second of all I never said I WA female finally LOL our just Wrong bit hey wait for a surprise
Are you drunk? o_O
That seems likely. It's certainly possible both Subo and Cent could be mafia, somehow. We'll see with the update.
And for all those who want to know the last unrevealed role, I'm Mara Jade.
Ibn-Khaldun
05-05-2010, 23:03
Are you drunk? o_O
No. Most likely we are too drunk to understand what he just said.
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 23:16
Typingon my Droid lovely device but wouldn't rwcommened writing essays on it
Round 13
Night
When Qui-Gon Jinn finally arrived, the Jedi in session had just finished a long and heated discussion and a tally was presented. Qui-Gon had a quick look at it and smiled. “Very good Jedi, I am pleased.” He looked up and scanned the gathered few. “Would Mas Amedda please come forward” A huge blue headed man got up and moved carefully to the front. Qui-Gon looked the man in the eyes. “You have been found to be most likely Sith of all the remaining crew. You know what that entails, right?” Mas just nodded. Qui-Gon nodded to the waiting Knights. They escorted the big blue man out of the Auditorium.
One Master leaned in:” We finally got the Twi’Lek, didn’t we?” Qui-Gon Jinn turned and faced the Jedi Master. “Twi’Lek? Mas Amedda is not a Twi’Lek. He is a Chagrian. What gave you the idea that He was a Twi’Lek?” The Master just shrugged. “They all look alike to me.”
Mas Amedda was brought to the space barrier and he unceremoniously stepped out into space vacuum. He drifted slowly outside and the coldness of space soon brought a frozen look to him. Mas Amedda waved back at his audience and smiled. He was soon brought inside again and he walked right past the Jedi Master who had accused him, giving him a long stare.
Let’s get back to work people, shouted Qui-Gon.
Tally:
Centurion1: 6 (ATPG, Choxorn, Diamondeye, johnhugh, Subotan, TinCow)
Subotan: 5 (atheotes, Cent1, Niklas, pever, Psycho)
Not voting: 2 (Chaotix, Split)
Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Thursday 6th of May (23 hours from now) Night actions in by 22:00 GMT+1 (22 hours from now)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Choxorn
Diamondeye
johnhughthom
pevergreen
Psychonaut
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow
He had Force Breath? And he didn't tell us? Good God, we've got our Sith!
He had Force Breath? And he didn't tell us? Good God, we've got our Sith!
:yes:
White_eyes:D
05-05-2010, 23:31
One Master leaned in:” We finally got the Twi’Lek, didn’t we?” Qui-Gon Jinn turned and faced the Jedi Master. “Twi’Lek? Mas Amedda is not a Twi’Lek. He is a Chagrian. What gave you the idea that He was a Twi’Lek?” The Master just shrugged. “They all look alike to me.” Proof that EVEN Jedi Masters are racist:no:
Proof that EVEN Jedi Masters are racist:no:
Hey, I fixed my error almost immediately!
Besides... they do look alike... :creep:
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 23:38
You ijits I found aholocton why tell you that you wouldn't believe me anyway bloody fool obviously subo is the sith why doesn't anyone investigate me for crying out loud
johnhughthom
05-05-2010, 23:41
You ijits I found alcohol why tell you that you wouldn't believe me anyway bloody fool obviously subo is the sith why doesn't anyone investigate me for crying out loud
Fixed.
You ijits I found aholocton why tell you that you wouldn't believe me anyway bloody fool obviously subo is the sith why doesn't anyone investigate me for crying out loud
Nilkas also had Force Breath Control. You know... it makes a 2 mafia versus 38 townie game a LOT more fair if both mafioso start with lynch immunity.
Centurion1
05-05-2010, 23:49
Do you want me to post the role addendum I don't understand why subordinate wit only a amybe he's innocent imvestigaion isn't under more scrutimy
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2010, 00:03
Needs to drain him of his power, or is it all used up?
Probably best to block Subotan and drain Centurion1. Lynch Centurion1 tomorrow, while clearing Subotan.
And then I can die, because I am clearly trying to weasel out of being a dude in chick's clothing. :beam:
Subotan also had force breath control, until Diamondeye removed it (as did Beskar obviously) -- it's Padawan level so it stands to reason a few people would have it.
Other than that -- don't ask me what's going on; I haven't been around the past couple of days.
Besides... they do look alike... :creep:
Door Number 1:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/3/3f/Mas12432.jpg/250px-Mas12432.jpg
Door Number 2:
https://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/mackrekerdude/SW-Cast-Aayla-Secura-01.jpg
The choice is yours! :laugh4:
They do look kind of similar...
Cent and Subo are both suspicious, I agree. Subo's behavior in particular reminds me of Mafia IX (when we were partners in crime).
Sorry for missing this phase, I just got home an hour ago.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2010, 01:28
Then of course we have contestant number 3... :wink: He knows who he is.
Better kill me now, buddy boy.
Splitpersonality
05-06-2010, 01:33
Sorry for missing this phase, I just got home an hour ago.
Same here, tennis match got out late.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2010, 01:47
Hmmmm.... just thinking out loud.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mas_Amedda
Served under Valorum and Palpatine as Vice-Chair.
He was not destroyed in the Great Jedi purge, where Palpatine tried to eliminate all the force-sensitives. Anyone with force sensitivity would be a threat to Palpatine, much as Luke and Leia were.
He was not ever discovered or trained by the Jedi, who usually notice such things.
He never demonstrated any force abilities whatsoever.
He was never either a Jedi or a Sith.
If he was ever able to become a Jedi, Palpatine would have eliminated him.
When did Mas Amedda get his force powers? From the holocron? If so, which night of the game? Did he begin with those powers? Because I find it highly unlikely he's anything besides a Jedi Initiate. How would Mas Amedda be a Padawan or even a Jedi Knight? What rank is he claiming to be? How could Palpatine himself be a lowly padawan and Mas Amedda, a non-force-sensitive politician who became Palpatine's puppet be at least as skilled with the force as Palpatine?
Please do explain, I am very interested in this. Show us your role PM and tell us when your role got updated. Which night of the game was that? He's claiming to have visited the holocron. Which night?
Why is Mas Amedda even in this game?
Diana Abnoba
05-06-2010, 02:00
IIRC he claimed or it was in the write up, that he was a padawan.
I see what you mean no mention of any Jedi training at all. Just a non-force-sensitive politician.
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