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Why is Beskar a good lynch?
Read Andres checklist...
atheotes
04-19-2010, 17:21
@ Sasaki - Why is ATPG a good lynch?
is it bcos he roleplayed a droid, which he admitted later on that he wasnt and has now been identified as someone who is susceptible to recruitment?
Read Andres checklist...
Which is wrong and Husar's check-list is obvious surperior and actually shows I am not a Sith, but hey, ignore the obvious, and prove town incompetence.
According to Beskar, what happened to him last night was a recruitment attempt; if that's true, recruitment attempts are visible in the thread.
I don't think ATPG knows very much sensitive information, but I'm not sure how to confirm if that's true or not.
If it is true, there's no urgency to lynch ATPG, as he has claimed his role to several people. If he's recruited, we'll all know it.
Andres or someone else innocent and with functioning brain cells please check my logic here.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 17:29
That sounds about right Renata, I hadn't noticed the beskar recruitement attempt in the write up.
unvote, vote:belisarius
Which is wrong and Husar's check-list is obvious surperior and actually shows I am not a Sith, but hey, ignore the obvious, and prove town incompetence.
The only bit I saw as being out right proven wrong is the bit that says you claimed neutral.
Well on second thought if Beskar is lying, there is a decent chance that the investigation result is nonetheless the truth. (In that case either it was a conversion and it was successful -- if vig kills are the only way to the Dark Side, then how could ATPG be recruitable right now?; or it was something else, and Beskar is fishing for whoever did it to come forward.) Which would mean still no urgency, but might mean ATPG does have to die soonish. :( Blah.
Why aren't you posting, ATPG?
Hes to busy Haiku'ing I think, given hes mafia he needs to devote attention to it. :laugh4:
The conversation attempt might have been incorrect, as I lost a force-power last night, so the Sith might have stolen or removed a force-power from me. However, I thought that was because of other reasons, or it could be infact a failed conversation attempt. Either way, nothing is known.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 17:53
It probably wasn't a conversion attempt then...
unvote, voet:atpg
I thought it was a failed conversation, only when I spoke to some one they said "that could have been what happened last night", I realised my mistake.
Also, some one claiming to be "obi-wan kenobi" has sent me a list of confirmed people in the game, saying it is part of their ability. On the list were names like Palpatine, Starkiller, etc.
I think it is a very good hunch that "Palpatine" is definitely a sith. So waiting for them to reply with whoever it was.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 18:05
Why aren't you posting, ATPG?
Because I've been accused of being not a Sith, but a potential Sith.
It's the funniest lynch ever.
Also, some one claiming to be "obi-wan kenobi" has sent me a list of confirmed people in the game, saying it is part of their ability. On the list were names like Palpatine, Starkiller, etc.
I think it is a very good hunch that "Palpatine" is definitely a sith. So waiting for them to reply with whoever it was.
That doesn't make sense. If the individual says they're innocent, then why do they believe them to be Sith? Or are you disbelieving obiwan?
That doesn't make sense. If the individual says they're innocent, then why do they believe them to be Sith? Or are you disbelieving obiwan?
Because I have no proof they are actually Obi-wan kenobi? They also seem to be in possession of the identity of Palpatine and not said anything, and Palpatine has never been a Jedi in any lore.
Hence, I asked Obi-wan for the identity of Palpatine, so Palpatine can be lynched.
Greyblades
04-19-2010, 18:14
Could someone put up a tally or some sort of summary of whats been going on?
According to Beskar, what happened to him last night was a recruitment attempt; if that's true, recruitment attempts are visible in the thread.
Failed recruitment attempts, at least. It would be rather foolish to expect successful attempts to be broadcast, no? Though now I see Beskar has made a 180 on that conversion attempt - hmmm!
sorry Hus... no f-bomb abbrevations on my watch.
Nono, I'm sorry, I saw it as more of a cracker than a bomb but that was probably wrong, sorry.
Because I've been accused of being not a Sith, but a potential Sith.
It's the funniest lynch ever.
More like accused of working towards being a Sith somehow.
And to bring that up again, if the Sith can do two night actions, then why did we have three last round?
My initial thought was a critical pr-town role that role-blocked Beskar, then he brought up conversion attempt, that would make three night actions by the Sith.
Now it was corrected to possible power-theft so the question is who did that and why? :inquisitive:
Could someone put up a tally or some sort of summary of whats been going on?
Summary:
Beskar is a pro-town who keeps getting voted against/metagamed each round.
Beskar gets accused of killing Methos.
People call out Beskar saying he killed Methos and that he is obviously Sith.
People doubt his claim he is actually an investigator and wants proof or he should die.
Beskar logs on, and gives people proof he is infact an investigator and displayed last nights results. Which shows ATPG is full recruitable. Also states he didn't know Methos was Mace Windu.
Some people vote ATPG because it is now known is he easily recruitable.
Beskar now gets accused of being mafia because he posted his results, even though it was requested of him.
People use the prior arguments who are now obviously disproved because he was investigating.
Beskar gets more metagame votes by people who just want to lynch a pro-town for the lulz.
Obi-wan given a list of 26 people in the game out of the blue, on the list are names like Palpatine. (True blood Sith)
Beskar posted this, saying he has requested the name. (Which means Obi-wan won't get revealed in public, and Beskar will give name out by proxy)
Beskar has no proof this is actually Obi-wan giving this information.
This is apparently scummy, because beskar doesn't trust everyone who claims to be they are asap like jedi Master Guil ible.
Because I've been accused of being not a Sith, but a potential Sith.
It's the funniest lynch ever.
I'll buy that. I need a few more laughs.
Here, have a tally:
Beskar 7: (Subotan, pever, Niklas, Diamondeye, autolycus, khaan, Thermal)
ATPG 5: (Secura, GeneralH, Kage, TinCow, Sasaki)
Subotan 1: (Psycho)
Obi-wan given a list of 26 people in the game out of the blue, on the list are names like Palpatine. (True blood Sith)
Someone is claiming to have investigated 26 people already? I suggest you name this person, because that it absurd.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 18:45
Presumably he's claiming to have the role names, not to have them assigned to players.
Obi-Wan should not be named in the thread :stare:
Someone is claiming to have investigated 26 people already? I suggest you name this person, because that it absurd.
I believe it is a different investigation to me. As you saw with my result, there are no names in it, just their force-alignment.
Majority of the list were in write-ups, it is roughly 12 or so, possibly some were behind the scenes reveals.
I am giving them a chance to at least give me the name of who Palpatine was (for obvious reasons), I don't want this person killed if they were actually Obi-wan Kenobi and a pro-town, but it doesn't mean I believe them at face value either.
Here is the list of names, as there are no users attached (except for the ones we know), I think it is safe to reveal them, as I doubt it would help the Sith in any way.
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Count Dooku
Yoda
Kenth Hamner
Dhidal Nyz
Aayla Secura
Sifo Dyas
Atris
Barrison Draay
Kyp Durron
Corran Horn
Tahiri Veila
Qui-Gon Jinn
Palpatine
Luke Skywalker
X2
Jacen Solo
Galen Marek
Galleros Nul
Daye Azur-Jamin
Den Siva
Eeth Koth
Hoth
Barriss Offee
Anakin Skywalker
Mace Windu
Presumably he's claiming to have the role names, not to have them assigned to players.
Obi-Wan should not be named in the thread :stare:
Indeed, I am not going to reveal them. He claimed it is part of his ability, what ability, I don't know. trying to get more information and hopefully lynch Palpatine.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 18:49
More like accused of working towards being a Sith somehow.
No, Beskar was very clear. I am susceptible to becoming a Sith. It didn't say I was working toward it at all. I have no powers or abilities, and I can't choose to become Sith. Something needs to happen to me first, which is beyond my power. Given how lynch-bait I am, I have my doubts I'll be converted ever.
Obi-wan given a list of 26 people in the game out of the blue, on the list are names like Palpatine. (True blood Sith)
Beskar posted this, saying he has requested the name. (Which means Obi-wan won't get revealed in public, and Beskar will give name out by proxy)
Beskar has no proof this is actually Obi-wan giving this information.
This is apparently scummy, because beskar doesn't trust everyone who claims to be they are asap like jedi Master Guil ible.
You're original statement didn't say 26 people, just named two, of which you mentioned accusing one of them. The fact its 26 makes more sense.
I would like to see that list Obiwan.
Those results do not appear to be faked, I doubt there's any way someone could have gotten that many names of roles without a real ability.
If Luke Skywalker is in this game, then he could be the expedition leader instead of Yoda. He is, after all, a bit short to be a stormtrooper.
Ignore the above, totally missed that Yoda was actually on the list as well. I'm not very good at reading today...
Looking at Beskar's list of names, they fall under three categories:
Confirmed in thread:
Count Dooku
Kenth Hamner
Dhidal Nyz
Aayla Secura
Barrison Draay
Kyp Durron
X2
Jacen Solo
Galen Marek
Galleros Nul
Daye Azur-Jamin
Den Siva
Eeth Koth
Hoth
Barriss Offee
Mace Windu
Hot shots easily guessible:
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yoda
Qui-Gon Jinn
Palpatine
Luke Skywalker
Anakin Skywalker
Randoms I have never heard of:
Sifo Dyas
Atris
Corran Horn
Tahiri Veila
Not saying it's significant in any way, just that I "did the maths" and might as well put it up there for the rest of you as well, in case anyone finds it useful.
I only heard of Corran Horn when Csargo falsely claimed that role to me.
Some one claimed Tahiri Veila to me.
Person claiming to be the Expedition Leader to me mentioned they were Yoda.
Obi-wan is the person who sent the list is claiming.
etc
Atris is from KOTOR2.
Sifo Dyas is mentioned in the 2nd film, never seen.
I got a question for you Niklas, who is claiming Garen Marak? i haven't seen anyone claim him.
Nevermind, Niklas beat me to it.
trying to get more information and hopefully lynch Palpatine.
So, do you actually have any evidence against Palpatine, or are you pushing for his lynch just because of his name? From where I'm sitting it seems pretty odd for you to try and convince us that name means nothing in this game to save yourself, and then go after Palpatine just because of his canon role.
atheotes
04-19-2010, 19:11
So, do you actually have any evidence against Palpatine, or are you pushing for his lynch just because of his name? From where I'm sitting it seems pretty odd for you to try and convince us that name means nothing in this game to save yourself, and then go after Palpatine just because of his canon role.
His reasoning is that Palpatine has never been a Jedi :laugh4:
So, do you actually have any evidence against Palpatine, or are you pushing for his lynch just because of his name? From where I'm sitting it seems pretty odd for you to try and convince us that name means nothing in this game to save yourself, and then go after Palpatine just because of his canon role.
Please show me where Palpatine has ever been a Jedi.
Exactly.
Where as Dooku was converted in lore, he was a Jedi Master before that, plus the fact it states quite clearly in my role-pm that I am a Jedi Master. Palpatine was raised a Sith from birth, thus it could easily make sense for the starting mafia to actually be the true-blooded sith. There are many other roles like mine on that list where they were Dark-side some time or another, but Palpatine is some one on that list that has never been on the Light side.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 19:18
So can we please get some sense to this game. Currently we are lynching Beskar while simultaneosly people are revealing themselves to him privately.Or are we lynching ATPG for being able to be recruited by the Sith? while that might be the case with majority of us.
atheotes
04-19-2010, 19:19
Please show me where Palpatine has ever been a Jedi.
Exactly.
Where as Dooku was converted in lore, he was a Jedi Master before that, plus the fact it states quite clearly in my role-pm that I am a Jedi Master. Palpatine was raised a Sith from birth, thus it could easily make sense for the starting mafia to actually be the true-blooded sith. There are many other roles like mine on that list where they were Dark-side some time or another, but Palpatine is some one on that list that has never been on the Light side.
Thing is...Palpatine is just a name! It need not be the emperor...
Randoms I have never heard of:
Sifo Dyas
Atris
Corran Horn
Tahiri Veila
In the films, Sifo Dyas was the Jedi who ordered the Clone Army from the Kaminoans; he was apparantly a close friend of Dooku's.
Atris, as stated, was a Jedi Master in KOTOR2; she falls to the Dark Side after extensive studying of Sith holocrons and the Exile has to defeat her before heading off to fight Darth Nihilus, I think.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 19:24
So can we please get some sense to this game. Currently we are lynching Beskar while simultaneosly people are revealing themselves to him privately.Or are we lynching ATPG for being able to be recruited by the Sith? while that might be the case with majority of us.
Due to the fact you guys have no real suspects and I am going to be lynched eventually, I'm fine with it this round.
At least here you have confirmation I'm a potential threat, if not a real one yet. That beats the Sasaki "lynch yourself" thing.... that would have driven me nuts for a year.
Thing is...Palpatine is just a name! It need not be the emperor...
:rolleyes: As if that is believible.
Anakin Skywalker? I can buy it.
Galen Marak? I can buy it.
Atris? I can buy it.
List of other names...
Palpatine?! No way.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 19:27
Due to the fact you guys have no real suspects and I am going to be lynched eventually, I'm fine with it this round.
At least here you have confirmation I'm a potential threat, if not a real one yet. That beats the Sasaki "lynch yourself" thing.... that would have driven me nuts for a year.
Well thats why my vote is on you.Though im playing with a thought of lynching Beskar just to stop this chaos we are in right now.
I got a question for you Niklas, who is claiming Garen Marak? i haven't seen anyone claim him.
Galen Marek was promoted to Padawan in the Round 2 - Day (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2470289&viewfull=1#post2470289) update.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 19:29
I'm totally neutered and completely powerless. I have too much reek of scum on me, and now reek of potential scum on me. My ability to contribute positively to the town has been compromised.
I should have just gone quietly the other round, but I couldn't help but fight for my life. I was pissed off. :laugh4:
atheotes
04-19-2010, 19:31
Well thats why my vote is on you.Though im playing with a thought of lynching Beskar just to stop this chaos we are in right now.
Agree that we have no clear direction right now... as seen by the no. of posts without any vote...
I guess we are just waiting for this Ben-Kenobi and Palpatine distraction to clear out.
Galen Marek was promoted to Padawan in the Round 2 - Day (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2470289&viewfull=1#post2470289) update.
Well, I think that proves if Galen Marek is a Jedi, that I am telling the truth too. :laugh4:
Galen Marek was Starkiller, he was pretty much Darth Vaders apprentice untill he decides in the last moments, to turn to the Light-side and sacrifice himself to save the Rebel Alliance leaders.
Argh Beskar why do you keep doing this? There's no reason to suspect you based on your role name, I agree.
However I have to point out there's nothing anywhere to suggest that the sith (presumably in the form of their cover roles) cannot be promoted, nor that they cannot be "called". Most likely they can, and possibly they have been. In other words, Galen Marek may be a Jedi, or he may be a sith cover role, and there is no way to tell based on that write-up. Similar reasoning applies to you, I'm sorry you don't like it, I know you don't like it, but it's still true!
This round is giving me a headache, I think we need to focus more on actions and in-thread behavior and less on the gibberish information we're getting about roles and night actions. I feel like we're starting to get into some serious confusion which could be avoided if we stuck to classic mafia-detection techniques.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 19:41
Yes, the case on beskar seems to be night kill wifom and "he keeps saying he's confirmed innocent, lynch him!".
Belisarius would probably have been better, but now we have to lynch pizza of course.
Would be easier if the town didn't keep trying to lynch off pro-town roles out of spite.
Belisarius would probably have been better, but now we have to lynch pizza of course.
Agreed, I suspected him, unfortunately, when i got to the thread, there were 3 pages on me.
unvote
vote: thermal mercury
Because I want no part of the ATPG/Beskar thingy.
autolycus
04-19-2010, 19:45
Beskar has satisfactorily answered my questions. Therefore, unvote, vote: atpg.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 19:50
unvote, vote:Belisarius
Let's lynch this guy. Pizza is at least not a Sith right now.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 19:51
Guys, one small request if I may:
In a game where we had no pro-town roles whatsoever (Mafia IX) and two mafia, the town did very well, and without any drama.
Here, in a game with at least a few pro-town roles, we are little more than a pack of cannibals, starting to be too emotionally invested.
You'd think having pro-town roles would help us, instead it has become a curse.
Just play the game with a minimum of drama and forget the pro-towns even exist. We can't do worse than a vanilla game at the very least.
vote:Belisarius
I approve of Sasaki's lynch-choice, especially as he hit my scumdar earlier.
Greyblades
04-19-2010, 20:01
What did belisarius do?
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 20:02
I can do nothing much except follow or abstain, really.
vote: Belisarius
Unvote; Vote: Belisarius
Any non-WIFOM vote is a good vote at the moment.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 20:07
I dont want to sound rude.But can someone compile to me what suspicious Belisarius has done.Whats the case?
Not be Beskar or ATPG :laugh4:
Isn't Palpatine also the chancellor of the republic? He could be here in that role, facing some rogue sith elements while he actually tries to work with the expedition here since that suits his wider goal of becoming emperor better than killing off the expedition.
Isn't Palpatine also the chancellor of the republic? He could be here in that role, facing some rogue sith elements while he actually tries to work with the expedition here since that suits his wider goal of becoming emperor better than killing off the expedition.
If he was in this game, I would expect it to be in the Darth Sidious capacity rather than the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine one.
I dont want to sound rude.But can someone compile to me what suspicious Belisarius has done.Whats the case?
I give the floor to Sasaki on the matter.
If he was in this game, I would expect it to be in the Darth Sidious capacity rather than the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine one.
How very naive of you. ~;) I mean, everyone would, maybe that's exactly the twist in this game. And besides, I'd also be surprised if Beskar finds out who has that role easily.
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 20:23
In memory of Husar, who got shafted out of this game, I will from now on vote however way he says without hesitation or bias.
How very naive of you. ~;) I mean, everyone would, maybe that's exactly the twist in this game. And besides, I'd also be surprised if Beskar finds out who has that role easily.
The twist is that people like Count Dooku are innocent, while they would be "zomg suspect" because of the name. A name like Palpatine who was never a Jedi.. now that is something to actually worry about.
With no really strong conviction, I will unvote: Beskar; vote: Belisarius. I fear we are lynching a new guy for being inexperienced here, but there are implications going around. The least we could hope for is for him to speak up.
What he said, and somebody give me an Advil.
unvote, vote Belisarius
Diamondeye
04-19-2010, 21:06
Took some time to read up here, but I think there's plenty of reason to let Beskar live. So, unvote: Beskar, vote: Belisarius
Greyblades
04-19-2010, 21:12
So why are we lynching him again?
I dont want to sound rude.But can someone compile to me what suspicious Belisarius has done.Whats the case?
Odd behavior in-thread. Read the conversations prior to the N4 write-up. Andres, Sasaki, and ATPG all thought he was off.
Odd behavior in-thread. Read the conversations prior to the N4 write-up. Andres, Sasaki, and ATPG all thought he was off.
You forgot me from that as well. I thought he was off too. :cry:
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 21:28
Odd behavior in-thread. Read the conversations prior to the N4 write-up. Andres, Sasaki, and ATPG all thought he was off.
After the game we've had so far, having the three of us agree on anything must be the will of the force. :beam:
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 21:31
Well works for me. Unvote and Vote: Belisarius
Tally:
Belisarius II: 9 (ATPG, Beskar, Diamondeye, Kage, Niklas, Renata, Sasaki, Thermal, TinCow)
Beskar: 3 (pever, Subotan, Yaseikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (autolycus, GH)
Subotan: 1 (Psychonaut)
Abstain: 1 (Joooray)
Not voting: 14 (atheotes, AVSM, Belisarius, Centurion, Chaotix, Diana, Greyblades, johnhugh, Jolt, Lord W, Secura, WE:D, Winston, Yaropolk)
Just a remainder people - since the trouble with the writeup, the voting will not end at normal time but will end in approx. 12 hours
Greyblades
04-19-2010, 21:39
Hmm I dont like it. But, I guess if I dont vote this turn I could be wogged, so Vote: Belisarius
Of course, it is "scummy" to be voting for Beskar when there is loads of evidence piled up against him, but just the done thing when it's done to Belisaurus when he hasn't even been given a chance to respond :rolleyes:
Diana Abnoba
04-19-2010, 21:41
So no real suspects again today. Please pass the advil when you are done with it Renata. The posts today are just confusing, I don't like any of the choices for today, so for now I will Vote: Abstain
and check back later, and reread to see if I can find anything.
Of course, it is "scummy" to be voting for Beskar when there is loads of evidence piled up against him, but just the done thing when it's done to Belisaurus when he hasn't even been given a chance to respond :rolleyes:
There is no evidence piled against me. That is the entire point of it.
atheotes
04-19-2010, 21:52
Belisarius has not posted since 4/17... i dont see any point to this runaway bandwagon.
Vote: Autolycus - gut feeling...he seems to be active but just under the radar.
Why do I get a feeling of deja vu? Two nights back the wagon was on ATPG, then swerved towards Beskar, then suddenly both agreed to go after ACIN instead and there it went. Today the wagon was on Beskar, then veered to ATPG instead - until they both agreed (and with Sasaki too!) to go after Belisarius instead. Something is genuinely wrong here, if perhaps only from a meta-game perspective.
Since the bandwagon on Belisarius seems to be doing just fine without me, I'll just go back to unvote: Belisarius; vote Beskar. Consider it only a stubborn, contrary statement.
vote: Abstain.
I think Belisarius owes an explanation to your accusations, certainly, but a runaway bandwagon?
Maybe not now (I personally still hold reservations). But there certainly was when the votes where piling up on you, and yet the majority of people who voted for you were derided as bandwagoners, and scummy.
Now, we are now doing exactly that to Belisaurus. Sith-hide-much?
vote: Abstain.
I think Belisarius owes an explanation to your accusations, certainly, but a runaway bandwagon?
There's only an hour left, so runaway or not is probably irrelevant.
Edit, apparently this is incorrect, so never mind, see below.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 22:10
Well the options are laid out there. All three will probably be lynched at some point.Take a pick. If you dont like these options then pick another like me for example as the amount of hogwash we are receiving each round makes it bit hard to remain sane in this game. How it seems. We dont get detective results worth the paper those are written into. We have no ability to network as the pro town figures cant do anything for us that has any weight on it. All we can do is play the old fashion way. Follow our instincts and vote people we think could be guilty. To me ATPG is just a potential threat = Could be handled later. Beskar is distraction =will be handled later if he cant come up with anything helpful. Belisarius, Sniff of Sasaki´s instinct = Has worked in the past.If Sasaki´s sniff will show up as hoax later.He can be dealt with.
Since there is time, though I doubt it will matter:
unvote, vote Psychonaut
Not much I can point my finger to, but I'm a bit suspicious of him. I'll write my reasons, such as they are, when I get time tomorrow.
I find this game amusing so far from an outside perspective - and I am also subscribing finally because it gets annoying to have to play catch up every 20 minutes :P
In memory of Husar, who got shafted out of this game, I will from now on vote however way he says without hesitation or bias.
While that seems and may actually be nice of you, I find it heavily suspicious behaviour and it absolves you of all responsibility for your votes, so don't expect any orders from this force-ghost. :bow:
Hi, guys! It's lurking me again. This thread doesn't move fast enough, does it?
Winston Hughes
04-19-2010, 23:58
vote: Niklas
...is what I'd do if I hadn't read the last six pages. :zzz:
I'm in catch-up mode right now. Vote: Abstain till I have read up on today's happenings.
Ok. Opinion formed. I feel bad about lynching Belisarius on the basis of him being mildly suspicious a while ago, but I'm going along with it for now because I don't want to see either Beskar or ATPG dead. If Beskar is found to be guilty, I am certain it will be brought to light by one of the Jedi Masters who can investigate besides him.
The only problem so far is that we do not know whether being guilty yields the same investigation result as being "susceptible to the Dark Side".
Unvote, Vote: Belisarius II
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 01:49
I know I'm a biased source, but: Susceptible won't always mean Sith, and that is a fact that I'm privy to now. When I die, that should become clearer.
So, if you find a result besides "susceptible" Then you have a serious lynch candidate.
Centurion1
04-20-2010, 01:53
finally finished reading........................again
vote:belisariusII
he is at least mildly scummy.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 02:01
Ok. Opinion formed. I feel bad about lynching Belisarius on the basis of him being mildly suspicious a while ago, but I'm going along with it for now because I don't want to see either Beskar or ATPG dead. If Beskar is found to be guilty, I am certain it will be brought to light by one of the Jedi Masters who can investigate besides him.
The only problem so far is that we do not know whether being guilty yields the same investigation result as being "susceptible to the Dark Side".
Unvote, Vote: Belisarius II
Come on... not everyone has to vote for him... what is the point of it.
I for one find you post contrived
unvote, vote: Chaotix
Centurion1
04-20-2010, 02:07
tally anyone?????
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 02:08
tally anyone?????
I think we need one more vote on belisarius to push him ahead of you.
Belisarius has not posted since 4/17... i dont see any point to this runaway bandwagon.
Vote: Autolycus - gut feeling...he seems to be active but just under the radar.
Hmm. I felt the same at first, but shelved the idea as IIRC English is not his native language, so it may just have been that affecting my thoughts.
Of course, it is "scummy" to be voting for Beskar when there is loads of evidence piled up against him, but just the done thing when it's done to Belisaurus when he hasn't even been given a chance to respond :rolleyes:
This. Trying to stop a runaway bandwagon while I sleep isn't really feasible though.
Since there is time, though I doubt it will matter:
unvote, vote Psychonaut
Not much I can point my finger to, but I'm a bit suspicious of him. I'll write my reasons, such as they are, when I get time tomorrow.
:kid: I look forward to it. :yes:
Come on... not everyone has to vote for him... what is the point of it.
I for one find you post contrived
unvote, vote: Chaotix
This.
Yaropolk
04-20-2010, 02:33
vote: pizza
atheotes
04-20-2010, 03:11
I think we need one more vote on belisarius to push him ahead of you.
:laugh4:
Come on... not everyone has to vote for him... what is the point of it.
I for one find you post contrived
unvote, vote: Chaotix
Sorry, but the post was not contrived at all.
I legitimately read through about 8 pages of argument and came to what I thought was the best option. As I said- I do not think Belisarius is the best choice for a lynch today. However, neither do I believe Beskar is guilty at all, and he currently has 3 votes on him. If there is any sort of turnaround, I want to make sure he isn't lynched.
Additionally, we really do not know what we will get for a guilty result. Will it say, "He has turned to the Dark Side", or will it say, "He is susceptible to the Dark Side"? We may never find out if the latter is true.
Rather, I find your post to be contrived, as if you were looking for a reason not to jump on the bandwagon.
FoS: atheotes.
Belisarius II
04-20-2010, 03:33
!!!!!!!!
What? How in God's name was I "scummy"?
I was just speaking my mind on who the murderer could be, instead of just lynching people at will.
Have I bandwagon-ed? No.
Beskar by now knows who I am at this point, I'm sure of it.
And apparently everyone here listens to Saskai whenever he shouts out to lynch someone. He's done it 3 times now in this very round!
atheotes
04-20-2010, 03:37
Sorry, but the post was not contrived at all.
I legitimately read through about 8 pages of argument and came to what I thought was the best option. As I said- I do not think Belisarius is the best choice for a lynch today. However, neither do I believe Beskar is guilty at all, and he currently has 3 votes on him. If there is any sort of turnaround, I want to make sure he isn't lynched.
Additionally, we really do not know what we will get for a guilty result. Will it say, "He has turned to the Dark Side", or will it say, "He is susceptible to the Dark Side"? We may never find out if the latter is true.
Rather, I find your post to be contrived, as if you were looking for a reason not to jump on the bandwagon.
FoS: atheotes.
Your attempt to save Beskar from any unexpected bandwagon and your accusation of me trying to staying away from the bandwagon would make sense only if Beskar had anywhere close to the number of votes as Belasarius :smash:
!!!!!!!!
What? How in God's name was I "scummy"?
I was just speaking my mind on who the murderer could be, instead of just lynching people at will.
Have I bandwagon-ed? No.
Beskar by now knows who I am at this point, I'm sure of it.
And apparently everyone here listens to Saskai whenever he shouts out to lynch someone. He's done it 3 times now in this very round!
Actually, I don't know who you are. However, if you are trying to suggest I am in a position of trust, reveal to me privately and I will validate it or not, then I will say inthread whether or not you actually made a good claim or not.
!!!!!!!!
What? How in God's name was I "scummy"?
I was just speaking my mind on who the murderer could be, instead of just lynching people at will.
Have I bandwagon-ed? No.
Beskar by now knows who I am at this point, I'm sure of it.
And apparently everyone here listens to Saskai whenever he shouts out to lynch someone. He's done it 3 times now in this very round!
That's the way it is, unfortunately. If you reveal your role, there is a chance the masses will shift their votes onto another, better candidate, although it is not likely at this stage.
We are really only lynching you for lack of a better target right now. It was either you, ATPG, or a random lurker. In GH's words, it's that "bad mid-game lynch".
Also, @atheotes: I might feel more threatened and inclined to continue this argument if I were under more pressure myself. Unfortunately for you, I am not and I won't.
Belisarius II
04-20-2010, 03:46
Vote:Chaotix
EDIT: If it makes any of you feel better my rank is Padawan
That's all I feel safe giving out.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 03:48
Also, @atheotes: I might feel more threatened and inclined to continue this argument if I were under more pressure myself. Unfortunately for you, I am not and I won't.
:yes: unfortunately, all i have is a single vote. to be honest i was surprised that you even responded to my vote.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 03:49
Vote:Chaotix
EDIT: If it makes any of you feel better my rank is Padawan
That's all I feel safe giving out.
Well, that is not going to help you. you need to do more than that.
Belisarius II
04-20-2010, 03:51
The killer has a lightsaber and Padawans do not.
What more can you possibly need?
The killer has a lightsaber and Padawans do not.
What more can you possibly need?
A Padawan could be hiding his red lightsaber after being turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Holocron.
Or, in other words, if you were a Sith that would only be a cover role and would have no bearing on your real identity.
Being honest, you might as well reveal your claim. The thing is, I can't actually test you, unless I investigate you, and since you are a low-level with no force-abilities, I can't even question you on these.
Belisaraus is claiming Galen Marak.
For info:
Galen Marak was Darth Vader's secret apprentice since a child, after Darth Vader killed his father.
The story goes on that ultimately, Darth Vader gives Galen Marak the task of uniting the disatified senate-leaders into a "secret location".
These leaders get kidnapped by Darth Vader and brought to the Emperor.
Galen Marak after figuring out, this was all a plan and he was being used, decides to turn "good" and save these leaders, and thus give birth to the Rebel Alliance.
Galen Marak's othername is Starkiller.
In his favour, he has been in a write-up getting promoted to Padawan. I leaning to believing this means he isn't actually a Sith.
I am going to unvote, if he is infact innocent, the sith will kill him, it saves that kill from going onto a jedi-master or kin.
Belisarius II
04-20-2010, 04:15
Beskar is correct.
I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel for me however.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 04:16
In his favour, he has been in a write-up getting promoted to Padawan. I leaning to believing this means he isn't actually a Sith.
Appearing in the write-up getting promoted doesnt clear anyone of being a sith because the expedition leader does not know the sith. The only thing in his favour is that he is claiming a known role...meaning he will be countered if it was a false claim.
That reminds me, Obi-wan came back and responded to my PM.
Who is Palpatine in your list? Looks like an obvious Sith there.
Not sure. If I was, I would have told you already. But, Palpatine is in the game, that's the extent of it right now.
Which I am guessing means "I know who he is, but I am not revealing him to you.", which also means I cannot investigate Palpatine either.
Corrected: He doesn't know who Palpatine is. The "If I was, I would have told you already" was reference to who Palpatine is, not the Sith part.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 04:18
No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
Also, I sent him a pm acting like I was mafia, which he didn't reply to because:
1) I thought you were actually part of the Mafia, which is why I decided to ignore your PM
But he didn't post it in the thread or act suspicious of me at all. Could be a new player mistake, could be mafia.
A Very Super Market
04-20-2010, 04:18
Vote: Abstain
I'm never going to catch up.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 04:19
I am going to unvote, if he is infact innocent, the sith will kill him, it saves that kill from going onto a jedi-master or kin.
perhaps it is prudent not to lynch anyone this round...
unvote, vote: No lynch
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 04:19
Vote: Abstain
I'm never going to catch up.
Weren't you accused of not voting at all the first round? Wouldn't that make this "vote:abstain" the WoG saving vote?
Meh, there is no real alternative, and that is a good case presented. On the plus side, think this will actually reveal if people promoted can be Sith as well.
Vote: Belisarius II
atheotes
04-20-2010, 04:22
No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
Also, I sent him a pm acting like I was mafia, which he didn't reply to because:
But he didn't post it in the thread or act suspicious of me at all. Could be a new player mistake, could be mafia.
that is interesting...
Did AVSM just pop in to avoid the WOG?
unvote, Vote: AVSM (apologies to Sigurd :sweatdrop:)
Weren't you accused of not voting at all the first round? Wouldn't that make this "vote:abstain" the WoG saving vote?
He hasn't voted at all, untill now, this is indeed a WoG saving vote.
Hold on... Didn't Niklas also claim Galen Marek?
Hmm. Seems my mind is playing tricks on me.
autolycus
04-20-2010, 05:01
@ psychonaut English actually is my first language. Atheotes, I understand your concern about my floating just below the radar. I don't think there's any benefit to following every twist and turn of public opinion. I'll give my gut instinct early in the game morning, and if I change my mind later, I'll post then. Atpg still is feeling a little off his usual self to me. He might be innocent, but he doesn't feel like the usual atpg innocent.
@ psychonaut English actually is my first language. Atheotes, I understand your concern about my floating just below the radar. I don't think there's any benefit to following every twist and turn of public opinion. I'll give my gut instinct early in the game morning, and if I change my mind later, I'll post then. Atpg still is feeling a little off his usual self to me. He might be innocent, but he doesn't feel like the usual atpg innocent.
ATPG is currently town, that much is certain. Tomorrow.. a completely different question.
@ psychonaut English actually is my first language. Atheotes, I understand your concern about my floating just below the radar. I don't think there's any benefit to following every twist and turn of public opinion. I'll give my gut instinct early in the game morning, and if I change my mind later, I'll post then. Atpg still is feeling a little off his usual self to me. He might be innocent, but he doesn't feel like the usual atpg innocent.
Woops. Seems I got yourself and atheotes mixed up. Many apologies.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 05:39
Woops. Seems I got yourself and atheotes mixed up. Many apologies.
In that case, you are right that English is not my first language :yes:
In that case, you are right that English is not my first language :yes:
atheotes is from Habana, Cuba. Mafiascum City.
A Very Super Market
04-20-2010, 05:43
He hasn't voted at all, untill now, this is indeed a WoG saving vote.
Have there been any clearer attempts?
atheotes
04-20-2010, 05:56
atheotes is from Habana, Cuba. Mafiascum City.
Beskar should know as he is the Mayor of that place :tongue3:
@Beskar - you have a qn to be answered in the Shadow Fort thread.
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 07:21
ATPG is currently town, that much is certain. Tomorrow.. a completely different question.
I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast. That is of course, until I am lynched the very next day without having killed anybody, because apparently conversions are public knowledge. Oh the anticlimax...
I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed. :2thumbsup:
Anyone for some galactic chess? I'll let the wookiees win.
Diamondeye
04-20-2010, 08:00
vote: pizza
Hmm? Why jump on the Pizza bandwagon now? FoS: Yaro
A Padawan could be hiding his red lightsaber after being turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Holocron.
"Hi, I'm Chaotix, I know that there is a sith holocron" - can you say Perfect Information Syndrome?
Or just say unvote; vote: Chaotix instead...?
I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast. That is of course, until I am lynched the very next day without having killed anybody, because apparently conversions are public knowledge. Oh the anticlimax...
I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed. :2thumbsup:
Anyone for some galactic chess? I'll let the wookiees win.
Yay Galactic Chess!
And yeah your position isn't exactly awesome :tongue:
White_eyes:D
04-20-2010, 08:54
Vote:abstain
johnhughthom
04-20-2010, 09:00
Vote: Centurion1
Something off about his jump on the wagon.
Wait, when does the phase end?
No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
Also, I sent him a pm acting like I was mafia, which he didn't reply to because:
But he didn't post it in the thread or act suspicious of me at all. Could be a new player mistake, could be mafia.
Why are you not quoting the pm you sent him (the one he replied to)?
And the Belisarius quote starts with 1); where's the rest of his pm?
What are you hiding from us, Sasaki?
Wait, when does the phase end?
If I give you exactly 24 hours it should end 10:53. It is now 10:08 on my clock.
I will give you until 11:00 GMT+1 which is roughly 1 hour from now
"Hi, I'm Chaotix, I know that there is a sith holocron" - can you say Perfect Information Syndrome?
This. Chaotix, your response please? If it was earlier in the day I might have done more than FoS, but at this point it's pointless.
Why are you not quoting the pm you sent him (the one he replied to)?
This, I would like to see it as well.
It's definitely strange that Belisarius didn't go public with the information, especially if he thought you were the real mafia. But what would you have done if he had, Sasaki? An "I was just fishing" claim at that point would obviously seem a tad contrived. Explain please.
Round 5
Night
It had been a long day and when the expedition leader finally arrived, the decision had been made a long time ago. Galen Marek the newly appointed Padawan had received the most votes.
The expedition leader sighed: “Is this truly your candidate, you had no other? I have just promoted this young man to become a Padawan, and this is how you reward him. I am utterly speechless.” I have given you quite the room to move in and have lain down nearly no rules. Maybe it is time for you to agree on your own rules, show that you are truly Jedi who work systematically and scientifically.”
“Come Galen, I am sorry, but the power of democracy is none the less absolute.”
They all followed the expedition leader to the hangar area, where Galen Marek walked out into space by his own accord. No one forced him. The body was recovered later and placed in a casket in the morgue.
The expedition leader walked with troubled thoughts about the events last night. He had received troubling information.
Night time people…
This will be a short night as announced earlier. It shouldn't be too difficult to send in orders within that timespan. I need to do this at night instead of at work. Night ends 00:00 Central Euopean time (GMT+1) 21st of April (13 hours from now)
Tally:
Belisarius II: 10 (ATPG, Beskar, Centurion1, Chaotix, Greyblades, Niklas, Renata, Sasaki, Thermal, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (autolycus, GH, Kage, Yaropolk)
Beskar: 3 (pever, Subotan, Yaseikhaan)
Chaotix: 2 (Belisarius, Diamondeye )
Subotan: 1 (Psychonaut)
A Very Super Marked: 1 (atheotes)
Centurion1: 1 (johnhugh)
Niklas: 1 (Winston)
Abstain: 5 (AVSM, Diana, Joooray, Secura, WE:D)
Not voting: 2 (Jolt, Lord W)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Night ends 00:00 Central Euopean time (GMT+1) 21st of April (25 hours from now)
Surely you mean 13 hours from now (or 12½ at the time of my post)?
You also got my vote wrong, not that it matters. ~;)
Ibn-Khaldun
04-20-2010, 10:36
I'm quite positive that at least one of the mafias was in the Belisarius's bandwagon.
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 10:50
"Well, it wasn't me!" said Askthepizzaguy, as he slinks back into the shadows.
I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
I very strongly agree with this. I discourage anyone from accepting a role claim as proof of innocence, even a role claim with powers. Judge people on their behavior, not their identity.
Greyblades
04-20-2010, 12:08
Dang, I feel like a right fool now.
Surely you mean 13 hours from now (or 12½ at the time of my post)?
You also got my vote wrong, not that it matters. ~;)
ooops... thats what happens when you are late for a meeting. fixing...
I'm still interested in the entire pm conversation between Sasaki and Belisarius II.
I don't understand why Sasaki left out certain parts. I also fail to see why Sasaki contacted Belisarius and posted a part of the pm conversation at a time where it didn't matter much, since Belisarius' fate was pretty much sealed.
:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 13:29
I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast.
If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?
Abstain: 4 (AVSM, Diana, Joooray, WE:D)
Not voting: 3 (Jolt, Lord W, Secura)
I voted Abstain, Sigurd.
Catching up:
On the Chatoix/atheotes/(psychonaut) scuffle, I'm on Chaotix' side thus far.
Your attempt to save Beskar from any unexpected bandwagon and your accusation of me trying to staying away from the bandwagon would make sense only if Beskar had anywhere close to the number of votes as Belasarius :smash:
The second part is not true. Mafia have all the incentive in the world to stay away from what they know to be a bad bandwagon if they can think of a halfway decent reason for it. I'm gathering Belisarius was in fact a bad bandwagon, though I haven't read through all the posts or the update yet. (Starting at the beginning this time, go me.) The first part, about the saving Beskar bit, might apply better -- depends if Chaotix actually counted the votes or not -- but it doesn't rise to the level of 'contrived' for me.
Anyway to sum up:
Atheotes' vote on Chaotix: meh
Chaotix' FOS on Atheotes: justified, despite the OMGUS aspect
If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?
I don't like being ignored...
A Padawan could be hiding his red lightsaber after being turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Holocron.
Or, in other words, if you were a Sith that would only be a cover role and would have no bearing on your real identity.
Sith holocron? From where do we know of a Sith holocron?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 13:50
I don't like being ignored...
I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.
Sith holocron? From where do we know of a Sith holocron?
I mentioned it in relation to who the character Atris was (a Jedi Master in KOTOR2 who falls to the Dark Side after studying Sith holocrons), but there was no prior mention of it in terms of this game.
I am going to unvote, if he is infact innocent, the sith will kill him, it saves that kill from going onto a jedi-master or kin.
I don't understand this -- why would the Sith kill someone who's claimed Galen Marak of all people, who has been lynchbait in the past, and who, if innocent, has no abilities? (Or had, I assume -- still haven't gotten to the write-up.)
I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.
How many times do I have to post that you're acting suspicious and behaving scummy before the required quota for you to feel like answering some questions is reached?
No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
I had been meaning to mention: I'm convinced Sasaki is correct about mafia cover roles, and exactly for that reason: because so many players are showing up in the write-up in connection with the promotions. If that (or the "calling", even) could function as an investigation, it would break the game, recruitment or no recruitment.
I had been meaning to mention: I'm convinced Sasaki is correct about mafia cover roles, and exactly for that reason: because so many players are showing up in the write-up in connection with the promotions. If that (or the "calling", even) could function as an investigation, it would break the game, recruitment or no recruitment.
Could you be so kind to say that you think Sasaki seems scummy?
This was regarding the WOG-saving "vote: abstain" --
Have there been any clearer attempts?
I have no idea what this is meant to mean.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 14:01
I have no idea what this is meant to mean.
that was a response to Sasaki's question... Sasaki had asked if AVSM voted only to save himself from WOG.
I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast. That is of course, until I am lynched the very next day without having killed anybody, because apparently conversions are public knowledge. Oh the anticlimax...
Actually Beskar backed off on that and said it wasn't a conversion attempt; he'd just assumed it was.
I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed. :2thumbsup:
Heck, due to my previous comment, you stand to be scapegoated no matter what. I do fully support vengeance on Beskar for that, by the way; that was completely unnecessary.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 14:05
Catching up:
On the Chatoix/atheotes/(psychonaut) scuffle, I'm on Chaotix' side thus far.
The second part is not true. Mafia have all the incentive in the world to stay away from what they know to be a bad bandwagon if they can think of a halfway decent reason for it. I'm gathering Belisarius was in fact a bad bandwagon, though I haven't read through all the posts or the update yet. (Starting at the beginning this time, go me.) The first part, about the saving Beskar bit, might apply better -- depends if Chaotix actually counted the votes or not -- but it doesn't rise to the level of 'contrived' for me.
Anyway to sum up:
Atheotes' vote on Chaotix: meh
Chaotix' FOS on Atheotes: justified, despite the OMGUS aspect
You think the mafia stayed away from the "bad" bandwagon on Belisarius? I think not. We will see in the end.
When i called his post contrived, i meant his post with the vote not his response to my accusation. The reasoning he gave for voting Belisarius made me feel that way.:shrug:
It's definitely strange that Belisarius didn't go public with the information, especially if he thought you were the real mafia. But what would you have done if he had, Sasaki? An "I was just fishing" claim at that point would obviously seem a tad contrived. Explain please.
I'd also like a response to this.
I'm extremely curious about this "troubling information" Sigurd says the expedition leader has from the previous night.
I'm quite positive that at least one of the mafias was in the Belisarius's bandwagon.
Really, Ibn? You don't say.
I very strongly agree with this. I discourage anyone from accepting a role claim as proof of innocence, even a role claim with powers. Judge people on their behavior, not their identity.
Quoted for truth.
I mentioned it in relation to who the character Atris was (a Jedi Master in KOTOR2 who falls to the Dark Side after studying Sith holocrons), but there was no prior mention of it in terms of this game.
I think Chaotix needs some attention, then.
Could you be so kind to say that you think Sasaki seems scummy?
Happy to. Sasaki still seems scummy for baiting Pizza back on day one with questions only a half-step removed in effect from "have you stopped beating your wife". And though his report about the PMs to Belisarius had gotten around in private several hours prior to it coming up in public, I still want your questions and Niklas' answered. I have no idea why such information shouldn't have come forth in public much earlier than it did. It left Belisarius effectively no time to rebut what was in fact the meat of the accusation against him.
Greyblades
04-20-2010, 14:24
You do know there is an edit button right?
You think the mafia stayed away from the "bad" bandwagon on Belisarius? I think not. We will see in the end.
When i called his post contrived, i meant his post with the vote not his response to my accusation. The reasoning he gave for voting Belisarius made me feel that way.:shrug:
No, I think it's feasible that they did stay away, and Chaotix' FOS on you therefore reasonable.
I didn't read his post with the vote as contrived; I did read yours as off, though (why such a snap vote, based on a single post, that late in what had been an extremely busy day?), another reason I was on Chaotix' side as regards the FOS -- did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?
Kagemusha
04-20-2010, 14:28
I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.
Well i can assure you that once the night is over you will have atleast my full attention. It were your reasons that triggered the lynch of Belisarius and if you think you can walk away without even defending your own stand on the issue. Think again.
No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.
Also, I sent him a pm acting like I was mafia, which he didn't reply to because:
But he didn't post it in the thread or act suspicious of me at all. Could be a new player mistake, could be mafia.
Why wouldn't he post it as mafia? What danger does it add to himself? I think its more likely a new player cautiousness (not mistake as such).
I voted Abstain, Sigurd.
I shall update my game files. I doubt you will be in any WoG danger.
*cough* Its not like we keep track of participation and hand out badges. :beam:
I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.
Don't do a chaotix
You do know there is an edit button right?
I think the multiquote function would work better :beam:
I shall update my game files. I doubt you will be in any WoG danger.
*cough* Its not like we keep track of participation and hand out badges. :beam:
Thank you. :bow:
I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.
Sorry for the spam, though.
I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.
Amen to that. It's a good feature in theory. But, in practice its horrible and frustrating.
I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.
Sorry for the spam, though.
It is still not fixed?
I remember having that problem too a while back, but I am sure I have used multi-quote since where they were released on posting.
nvm... that was a digression, no need to discuss this here. Carry on.
I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.
Sorry for the spam, though.
I believe that there's an option to clear previous multi-quotes if you take your post to "Go Advanced". :3
atheotes
04-20-2010, 14:57
No, I think it's feasible that they did stay away, and Chaotix' FOS on you therefore reasonable.
I didn't read his post with the vote as contrived; I did read yours as off, though (why such a snap vote, based on a single post, that late in what had been an extremely busy day?), another reason I was on Chaotix' side as regards the FOS -- did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?
I did not know what the accusation on Belisarius was except that he was supposed to have behaved scummy. Take a look at the first 9 votes he got (Sigurd did a tally at that point)...and this is what Chaotix posted.
Ok. Opinion formed. I feel bad about lynching Belisarius on the basis of him being mildly suspicious a while ago, but I'm going along with it for now because I don't want to see either Beskar or ATPG dead.
lets just say it was the straw the broke the back. More importantly i was online at that time and was trying to provoke some responses.
did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?
Are you asking if i had any votes on me? or if i voted before my vote on Chaotix?
Yeah, if you had voted before then.
As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(
atheotes
04-20-2010, 15:04
Yeah, if you had voted before then.
As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(
I did...it was on Autolycus.
You can use the "search thread" function - go to advance search and search by user name for all posts by that user in this thread - Though it only lists the posts and you need to go in to see the content.
johnhughthom
04-20-2010, 15:04
As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(
Same method as CFC used to work, forum update borked it. Don't think there's another method.
Diamondeye
04-20-2010, 15:22
HoS:Chaotix - see my last reply (or Niklas', or Renata's, on the topic) for reason. He needs to spill some beans (or be killed by the mafia) if he wants to avoid my vote.
It isn't a Sith Holocron and nothing has even pointed to it as such.
It isn't a Sith Holocron and nothing has even pointed to it as such.
You misunderstand; Chaotix mentioned the Sith receiving a holocron, something that wasn't revealed in-thread at any point whatsoever, aside of my explanation of Jedi Master Atris which relates more to canon than this game.
This current trend toward FOSing the Belisarius lynchers is laziness or opportunism. Anyone who had actually read this thread would have seen a very acceptable case against Belisarius. It all started with Belisarius' vote for ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471566&viewfull=1#post2471566) several days ago. At the time, that was deemed suspect by Sasaki (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471588&viewfull=1#post2471588), Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471784&viewfull=1#post2471784), and Centurion1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471797&viewfull=1#post2471797). Belisarius then responded to these accusations (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472063&viewfull=1#post2472063) and a decent debate then started up about him. This debate continued off and on for the next 50 posts, until Belisarius stopped responding. During the debate, Belisarius was seen as somewhat off by ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472084&viewfull=1#post2472084), Sasaki (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472077&viewfull=1#post2472077), Beskar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472080&viewfull=1#post2472080), and Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472174&viewfull=1#post2472174). After the debate was done, Andres made (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2472950&viewfull=1#post2472950) a few (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473014&viewfull=1#post2473014) posts urging us to focus more on Belisarius. Sasaki agreed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473176&viewfull=1#post2473176). Thus, after the town was satisfied that neither ATPG or Beskar were a good lynch, Sasaki turned his vote on Belisarius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473530&viewfull=1#post2473530). The bandwagon then occurred and Belisarius was lynched.
It is clear that there was a very large amount of suspicion about Belisarius prior to his lynch. It had occurred in a previous day phase and had been somewhat buried by the controversy about Sigurd's post about failure to submit night orders. This suspicion was validly revived when a new suspect was needed after ATPG and Beskar were perceived to be bad votes. And yet, there are now several people attempting to paint the Belisarius lynch as bad and unfounded. They are also singling out Sasaki as the 'ringleader' of the lynch, when it is clear from the history of the discussion that he was nothing of the sort. When it was asked why Belisarius was being lynched, I kindly offered a brief summary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473871&viewfull=1#post2473871).
There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.
FOS: Niklas (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473916&viewfull=1#post2473916), Secura (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473917&viewfull=1#post2473917), Subotan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473921&viewfull=1#post2473921), and possibly (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474346&viewfull=1#post2474346) Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474385&viewfull=1#post2474385) (though her replies have solid reasoning behind them and are not as reactionary as the others).
There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.
*yawn*
Oh... you're finished with the finger pointing?
There was no point where I defended Belisarius; Beskar revealed to me in private that Belisarius had received PMs from Sasaki talking about mafia actions or something, but I wasn't prepared to cast my vote on him without hearing this from Sasaki and Belisarius in-thread.
By the time both posted about these private messages, I was asleep, and the round had ended by the time I had woken up. It was a solid lynch, yes, but by the time the true reasons came to light, I wasn't in a position to vote, being in bed and all.
I for one am not pointing a finger at Sasaki because he was in favour of lynching Belisarius II. I don't think that was a bad lynch.
What does raise my suspicion is a) he didn't quote the entire pm conversation he had with Belisarius II; b) the timing at which he posted a small part of his pm conversation.
I'd like to see the entire thing, that is all. And Sasaki doesn't want to cooperate. My guess is that it contains stuff that might make him look suspicious. If he's innocent, he shouldn't be too afraid of that, as he can probably give reasonable explanations. His unwillingness to cooperate makes him now even more suspicious to me.
b) the timing at which he posted a small part of his pm conversation.
I would have voted for Belisarius had the timing been more prompt, namely at a time I was awake to respond.
The lynch was a decent one, I just wanted to see the evidence that Beskar informed me of before making a decision.
Why'd you skip Ibn, TinCow? He's the one who said outright that he expected mafia on the Belisarius wagon; I raised my eyebrows at that (so to speak) here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474378&viewfull=1#post2474378).
As Secura alludes in her last post, there was something going on behind the scenes that might shed light on how she, Niklas and I reacted; namely, we all got the full-court-press from Beskar to vote Belisarius, based on the information that Sasaki later revealed. Whatever the motivation, it felt manipulative, and though I can't speak for the others, I know it has been an undercurrent to my own posts on the topic since that time.
Your FOS on Subotan seems misplaced entirely (at least for that reason), since in the post you quote he was clearly focused much more on the Beskar bandwagon evaporating than on what had sprung up in its place.
And as I said, you skipped the most egregious example of what you say you're suspicious of.
Why'd you skip Ibn, TinCow? He's the one who said outright that he expected mafia on the Belisarius wagon; I raised my eyebrows at that (so to speak) here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474378&viewfull=1#post2474378).
I assume he skipped over Ibn-Khaldun because he is dead. :3
That was a brilliant analysis, Tincow, if I were a Sith I'd also defend all the prominent players, blame a small group of individuals and go completely unnoticed though the game as the helpful guy. Maybe it's time someone has a closer look at you.
Urk. Nevermind. /Emily Litella.
pevergreen
04-20-2010, 16:05
HUrrrrrrr.
/thread
This current trend toward FOSing the Belisarius lynchers is laziness or opportunism. Anyone who had actually read this thread would have seen a very acceptable case against Belisarius.
[...]
There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.
Hmmmm. Yes and no. FoSing the people who instigated the lynch is suspect yes, but FoSing those who jumped on later for the sole-reason of being able to coast on by for another round is entirely acceptable.
You misunderstand; Chaotix mentioned the Sith receiving a holocron, something that wasn't revealed in-thread at any point whatsoever, aside of my explanation of Jedi Master Atris which relates more to canon than this game.
I thought he accused the holocron of being a Sith Holocron, Atria KOTOR2 style. My mistake.
Hmmmm. Yes and no. FoSing the people who instigated the lynch is suspect yes, but FoSing those who jumped on later for the sole-reason of being able to coast on by for another round is entirely acceptable.
Agreed, I was less sure after he revealed to be Galen Marak and he was promoted to a padawan earlier this round. But that is doubts due to new information arriving later. The original bandwagon wasn't flawed, I think Belisarius shot himself in the foot abit with some of his later actions, as he went into complete panick mode. I was watching a video clip while he sent me a PM saying he was Galen Marak, when I returned, I had 3 PM's from him going "you don't believe me do you!" and similar. What also didn't work in his favour is because he is Galen Marak. He was raised a Sith untill his final moments, where he became a Jedi as-such and this was only because Vader and Sidious kept on using him as a toy/plaything to do their dirty work.
Though I will laugh if the Sith is Yoda and Obi-wan though, because they are the obvious "Good Guy" choices.
I thought he accused the holocron of being a Sith Holocron, Atria KOTOR2 style. My mistake.
Actually you're both wrong; he just referenced the existence of a Sith holocron, strictly speaking -- you can't infer from what he said that he thinks the holocron referenced in the write-ups is Sith, nor that the Sith received a holocron.
I still want to know where he got the idea.
Actually you're both wrong; he just referenced the existence of a Sith holocron, strictly speaking -- you can't infer from what he said that he thinks the holocron referenced in the write-ups is Sith, nor that the Sith received a holocron.
I still want to know where he got the idea.
I'm not wrong, these two parts of the entire gist of what I'm saying; there was no previous mention of Sith holocrons in relation to the game, so what led him to bring it up?
There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.
I never said anything of the sort. I agreed that there was evidence piled up against Belisaurus, and had it come down to the wire I would have voted for Belisaurus. But I did not like at all the way some of the exact same people who had chastised the players who had voted for Beskar, perfectly reasonably, were the same people who let loose a bandwagon on Belisaurus, piling up an unnecessary amount of votes when he hadn't been given a chance to respond.* Even if some of the people I'm referring to who voted for Belisaurus aren't scum buddies, that's unfair and bad sportsmanship, especially seeing as Belisaurus is a new player on the .Org.
*See: I agree with this, there are currently enough votes [on Beskar] to pressure [Beskar] to talk. Further votes at this point only risk an in-reversible bandwagon even if his reply is satisfactory. I do not want that. - Tincow
The responses from Secura, Renata, and Subotan are satisfactory and consistent with their statements at the time. That leaves Niklas. He is the worst of the bunch. He first lodged a vote against Belisarius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473836&viewfull=1#post2473836) and then reversed himself only 14 posts later (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473916&viewfull=1#post2473916), claiming that the bandwagon made him uncomfortable. Yet when he made his original vote, he was the sixth voter on Belisarius and solidly into the bandwagon numbers. The only thing that had changed since then was a post by Subotan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473902&viewfull=1#post2473902) objecting to the bandwagon and some questions about why people were voting for Belisarius. Essentially, when there was a temporary plateau in the bandwagon and the momentum slowed, Niklas jumped ship. When he originally voted, he hedged his bets considerably with the lines: "With no really strong conviction" and "I fear we are lynching a new guy for being inexperienced here." When he switched his vote back to Beskar, he hedged them again with the equally wishy-washy statement "Since the bandwagon on Belisarius seems to be doing just fine without me" and gave his reason for voting Beskar as "only a stubborn, contrary statement."
What that all adds up to is a whole lot of saying nothing while attempting to blend into the arguments. This also meshes with his 'names list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473683&viewfull=1#post2473683)' which makes him look like he was doing some serious work to help the town, but doesn't actually do anything useful.
FOS: Niklas
I'm not wrong, these two parts of the entire gist of what I'm saying; there was no previous mention of Sith holocrons in relation to the game, so what led him to bring it up?
There was references to an ancient Holocron, which hasn't been claimed either in private or in public to be Sith at all in any nature. Chaotix could have assumed it was a Sith Holocron mistakenly.
Now if he said "The Sith have used the Holocron" then this is a completely different point, as I believe there hasn't been any Sith contact with it. (Due to lack of a mentioning of it.)
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 20:28
Just sent this to our friend belisarius, we'll see how he responds :beam3:
Sasaki
It's pretty clear that you're with the mafia, are you one of the sith? My role is supposed to aid you in this game by serving as an informant, leaking information from the leading Jedi. I believe I can convince them of your innocence if need be.
Sasaki
Hah! If he falls for it, the results would be lulz-worthy.
Happy Andres? :p
Happy to. Sasaki still seems scummy for baiting Pizza back on day one with questions only a half-step removed in effect from "have you stopped beating your wife". And though his report about the PMs to Belisarius had gotten around in private several hours prior to it coming up in public, I still want your questions and Niklas' answered. I have no idea why such information shouldn't have come forth in public much earlier than it did. It left Belisarius effectively no time to rebut what was in fact the meat of the accusation against him.
Rebut how? That wasn't really the meat of the accusation to my mind anyway. Not bringing it forth could have had an interesting (and entertaining) reaction too, when he quoted the exchange (or didn't as it turned out).
It's definitely strange that Belisarius didn't go public with the information, especially if he thought you were the real mafia. But what would you have done if he had, Sasaki? An "I was just fishing" claim at that point would obviously seem a tad contrived. Explain please.
It's not contrived, it's a standard mafia game ploy, although it's probably fallen out of use recently.
Well i can assure you that once the night is over you will have atleast my full attention. It were your reasons that triggered the lynch of Belisarius and if you think you can walk away without even defending your own stand on the issue. Think again.
You were fine with it yesterday:
Well the options are laid out there. All three will probably be lynched at some point.Take a pick. If you dont like these options then pick another like me for example as the amount of hogwash we are receiving each round makes it bit hard to remain sane in this game. How it seems. We dont get detective results worth the paper those are written into. We have no ability to network as the pro town figures cant do anything for us that has any weight on it. All we can do is play the old fashion way. Follow our instincts and vote people we think could be guilty. To me ATPG is just a potential threat = Could be handled later. Beskar is distraction =will be handled later if he cant come up with anything helpful. Belisarius, Sniff of Sasaki´s instinct = Has worked in the past.If Sasaki´s sniff will show up as hoax later.He can be dealt with.
Diamondeye
04-20-2010, 20:34
FoS: Tincow
Also, Beskar, I find your defense of Chaotix worrying. Why trying to belittle the impact a sith holocron would have? Could it be that you've already told us you were awakened by a holocron that might just be the one and same?
Why FOS TinCow, Diamondeye?
Happy to. Sasaki still seems scummy for baiting Pizza back on day one with questions only a half-step removed in effect from "have you stopped beating your wife". And though his report about the PMs to Belisarius had gotten around in private several hours prior to it coming up in public, I still want your questions and Niklas' answered. I have no idea why such information shouldn't have come forth in public much earlier than it did. It left Belisarius effectively no time to rebut what was in fact the meat of the accusation against him.
Rebut how? That wasn't really the meat of the accusation to my mind anyway. Not bringing it forth could have had an interesting (and entertaining) reaction too, when he quoted the exchange (or didn't as it turned out).
Perhaps not to you, but it was what tipped me over the edge of voting Belisarious, after Beskar told me about it. Prior to that (though I never mentioned it here), the manner in which Belisarius defended himself had me leaning toward him just being a new townie.
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 21:07
If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?
Indeed. :beam:
He was kind of emo.
Kinda REALLY emo.... [/Milhouse]
Milhouse is not a meme
Is a meme
That leaves Niklas. He is the worst of the bunch.
Fair enough, you'll have my response as well. It will also give me a chance to bring some things out in the public that I think may shed some light on what happened last night.
For starters, you are operating from the assumption that everything that happens does so here in the thread. That's quite far from the truth. During the time you reference there was extensive communication via private channels, primarily IM. There was also over an hour between my "wishy-washy" statements, more than enough for me to regret my first decision. Also the main reason that made me switch back again, even though few votes had been cast in between, was Sigurd's tally (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473897&viewfull=1#post2473897) which made it clear just how strong the bandwagon was.
Nothing of what was said last night is in any way of the form that it needs to be kept from the public, so here is a recollection. Note that I am in Sweden, same time zone as the host, for the sake of referencing the times I post.
My first vote on Beskar, early on in the evening, was originally a pressure vote to make him talk. There was genuine concern behind it though, it wasn't just pressure, as others (such as Secura and Renata) could confirm. I don't mind relating my thoughts on the subject yet again, but for starters you'll find it coinciding on many points with what Andres posted.
19:00 - Beskar claims in thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473586&viewfull=1#post2473586) about receiving a list of names from "Obi-Wan Kenobi". Some time later this list is apparently passed around in private to some people, including Renata. She and I begin talking about it:
19:46:40 Renata: most of them are dead or otherwise known, via the write-ups
19:46:56 Renata: leaving a dozen or so
19:48:17 Niklas: are those dozen or so the top names you'd expect to find?
19:48:30 Niklas: i.e. Palpatine, Qui-Gon, Anakin, etc
19:48:30 Renata: mostly no
19:48:38 Niklas: interesting
19:48:45 Niklas: so it's not a "guess a name" ability then
19:48:56 Renata: all those are in there, but there are plenty of off the wall ones also
19:49:24 Renata: or well, a couple anyway
19:49:58 Renata: sifo dyas, for example
19:50:05 Niklas: ne'er heard of
19:50:09 Renata: me either
19:50:21 Renata: those are not the majority though
19:50:27 Renata: not even close
[we drift off to haiku mafia a bit]
19:53:55 Niklas: oh, beskar posted the names in thread
19:54:21 Renata: yeah, just saw
19:55:47 Renata: dhidhal niz is one of the dead correct?
19:56:33 Niklas: aye, TheFlax
19:58:41 Niklas: only four surprise names for me on that list
19:58:52 Niklas: Sifo Dyas, Atris, Corran Horn, Tahiri Veila
19:59:14 Niklas: all others were mentioned in thread, or hot shots
19:59:31 Niklas: as in obi-wan, yoda, qui-gon, palpatine, luke and anakin
19:59:48 Niklas: so in total, 10 names not mentioned in the list
20:00:06 Niklas: and only 4 of those being "non-trivial"
20:00:06 Renata: ok you're ahead of me
20:00:09 Renata: want to post that?
20:00:22 Niklas: I suppose I could
20:00:24 Renata: i'm not sure if it's releveant or not, but given the numbers it winds up with, it may be
20:00:35 Renata: it could be a real ability disguised as something other than what it is
20:01:58 Niklas: might as well put it out there for people to crunch
A few minutes later I post The Names List (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473683&viewfull=1#post2473683), which indeed wasn't overly helpful to town, but I also never claimed it was.
Time goes by, we talk mostly about other games, not much interesting happens.
20:50 - Sasaki starts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2473770&viewfull=1#post2473770) what will be a bandwagon on Belisarius. Beskar follows 6 minutes later, then Thermal, ATPG and TinCow in rapid succession over the next 10 minutes. What isn't obvious from the thread is what goes on behind the scenes here. Beskar is pressuring more people to vote for Belisarius, both me and Renata got versions of this:
21:02:47 Beskar: Hey Niklas, vote for Belisarius. Sasaki apparently has a really good hunch on him.
21:03:10 Beskar: Plus, it is better than lynching a pro-town, or lynching some one who is currently a town.
21:03:17 Niklas: anything more substantial than what's in thread?
21:03:54 Beskar: Sasaki fasely claimed to him the other phase ago, saying he is a neutral, and wants to co-operate with the sith.
21:04:06 Beskar: as they can apparently work together, again the town.
21:04:51 Beskar: Belisarius didn't even post this in the thread, or anything.
21:06:51 Niklas: was belisarius active after this?
21:06:56 Niklas: did he respond to sasaki?
21:08:12 Beskar: he was active after this
21:08:25 Beskar: Sasaki says there wasn't a reply, but he has read the message
21:09:40 Niklas: I guess you don't care if I double check your words with Sasaki?
21:10:00 Beskar: Go ahead.
21:10:28 Beskar: "No response. Could be scared mafia, or just new. A townie should have posted it in the thread. " was the latest update from him
In parallel to this, here's the log with Renata:
21:07:11 Niklas: Beskar says: Hey Niklas, vote for Belisarius. Sasaki apparently has a really good hunch on him. Plus, it is better than lynching a pro-town, or lynching some one who is currently a town. Niklas says: anything more substantial than what's in thread?
21:07:16 Niklas: Beskar says: Sasaki fasely claimed to him the other phase ago, saying he is a neutral, and wants to co-operate with the sith. as they can apparently work together, again the town. Belisarius didn't even post this in the thread, or anything. Niklas says: was belisarius active after this? did he respond to sasaki?
21:08:03 Renata: he said the same to me, though i hadn't gotten around tothe questions yet
21:08:49 Niklas: Beskar says: he was active after this Sasaki says there wasn't a reply, but he has read the message
21:09:07 Niklas: I can't help but wonder if this is another case of "beskar is lying to strengthen his case"
21:09:14 Niklas: I'm going to double-check with Sasaki
21:09:28 Renata: good choice
I send the conversation log to Sasaki by PM, and ask for a confirmation. I receive it some time later.
21:33:28 Niklas: from Sasaki: "Yeah, that's what happened. I don't know why belisarius didn't respond, but it's lynch worthy at least, and I thought he was suspicious anyway."
21:33:45 Renata: ok
21:34:04 Renata: i guess i may as well vote belisarius
21:34:39 Renata: though like i said to beskar, his defenses of himself from the other night remind me so much of way too many badly-lynched newbies that i cringe to do it
21:35:58 Niklas: right
21:42:19 Niklas: I cast a vote that you can follow if you like
Also this with Beskar:
21:33:39 Niklas: okay, Sasaki confirmed
21:33:50 Beskar: why would I have lied?
21:33:53 Beskar: I rarely lie.
21:34:25 Niklas: you just have a history of claiming things and make them sound grander and more definitive than they actually are ;)
21:34:32 Niklas: like "I know Mace Windu"
21:34:39 Niklas: or "it was a conversion attempt!"
21:34:50 Beskar: I thought it was.
21:35:09 Beskar: Nothing actually told me for definition.
21:35:14 Niklas: yes, I'm sure you did think it was, but you made it sound definitive at first only to waver later
21:35:39 Beskar: only because I realised it could have been something else :P
21:35:48 Niklas: what made you realize that?
21:36:09 Beskar: When some one else said it could have been something else.
21:36:30 Beskar: As I lost an ability, and the PM never explained why, and some one said "it could have been that"
I cast my vote in 21:37, Renata followed some minutes later. After that, nothing much happened. In 22:12 I went for a walk with the dogs (at least that's when I told Renata I was), cleared my head and in general felt more and more like I had been dancing to Beskar's tune. I returned to find Sigurd's tally, saw that the wagon on Belisarius was strong enough without me, and so I made my second post, switching my vote back to Beskar.
I am not saying Belisarius was a bad lynch. If I felt he was, I would not have cast a vote on him in the first place. My second vote on Beskar was intended to put focus on how good both ATPG and Beskar had managed to turn yet another wagon around, not because I felt Belisarius was a bad lynch. And I guess this post is also partly an attempt to do that again.
Greyblades
04-20-2010, 21:52
Holy inpenitrable walls of text!
21:09:07 Niklas: I can't help but wonder if this is another case of "beskar is lying to strengthen his case"
"another case"? What were the others?
"another case"? What were the others?
Claiming in thread to know Mace Windu. Claiming to Renata that someone else (Subotan) had told him Methos = Mace Windu. I'm sure Methos will be happy to tell you all just how happy he was about that.
Interesting you are starting this argument now, Niklas.
How am I starting the argument now? It is something we have discussed off-thread for a number of days already. I am only bringing it in the open now, because I was asked to. Why don't you approve of that?
Never said I approved or disapproved, feel free to comment. I am just saying it is interesting.
:laugh4:
I can say one word, and now the whole town flips out because atheotes and Diamondeye want to think it's suspicious.
Simply put: The Jedi Masters (and possibly other Jedi) have been going to the Jedi Holocron every night or so to get their abilities, as has been mentioned by Beskar and/or Niklas, our resident confirmed Jedi Master.
I assumed that, since there were no Sith when we arrived, and the following night there were two Sith, while we did not gain any more people, that it was probably a Sith Holocron that was found, and that converted two of our Jedi knights. After all, they have been claimed by Star Wars lore (in this very thread) to be able to turn Jedi to the Dark Side, and as the Sith had dissappeared for a thousand years, it is virtually the only way for these Jedi (who believe the Sith are a legend) to turn.
That explain enough? It's a very logical line of thinking.
All right, Psychonaut, here we go. This starts a few days back (April 15), with Psychonaut's only vote against Beskar.
Vote for Beskar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2470582&viewfull=1#post2470582). Followed up with reinforcement of GH's pressure here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2470860&viewfull=1#post2470860), with a comment about Beskar not demonstrating his claimed investigative abilities.
Then just three hours after that, we have this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2470938&viewfull=1#post2470938):
Yes and no. May simply be susceptible to conversion.
All in all, this Beskie business is just a distraction, it's allowing the Sith to sneak on by.
To go from reinforcing suspicion against Beskar to dismissing the whole thing as a distraction in just three hours stands out. (And there were no intervening posts to signal this change of heart.) It stands out even more when you add Psychonaut's post the next day (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471049&viewfull=1#post2471049), where he nods along to TinCow's suggestion that a role name like Count Dooku can't be trusted. So he's reinforcing the bandwagon(s) on Beskar consistently, except, it seems, when he senses the chance to score some points by pooh-poohing it all.
Then there's this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471549&viewfull=1#post2471549) spectacularly disingenuous post:
Ok. I'll leave Beskie alone today. I wonder how much we should read into the write-ups. The yellow eye stuff would indicate Papatine, he has yellow eyes as a Sith.
Beskie could be the lightsaber Sith, as Dooku is, apart from Windu and Yoda, the best swordsman in the galaxy. So the "moves he'd never seen before", could indicate Dooku.
"I'll leave Beskie alone" followed by yet another reason to suspect him.
Continuing on, in 796 there's Psychonaut asserting that Beskar is not pro-town but neutral (repeated in 804). What the heck is that?
Post 882 (running out of time before dawn, so no more links, sorry)
FoS: Everyone on the Beskar Bandwagon excluding TC and GH
Oh, hi, I'm the ticket inspector. Can I see your ticket please, or I'll have to to escort you off the bandwagon.
Another turnaround, though not without a snuggle of two high-profile players. 891 is the closest to a justification for his behavior that Psychonaut offers:
You're missing the point. The first couple votes were to get Beskie to prove his investigative ability. Everyone after that point is seeing an opportunity to hide for a round and get to killing again.
but it doesn't hold up. There's no reason for Beskar to need to prove his investigative ability unless there is some reason to suspect he is no innocent, and if there's reason for that, then anyone might legitimately vote for him. Psychonaut is trying to have it both ways: to encourage suspicion in numerous different ways while simultaneously chucking mud at almost anyone who votes for him. Nice tactic, but not one that looks like town. You know that stereotypical "the mafia are just laughing at us" thing that gets trotted out whenever two people are having a big argument, and then half the time the person who says that is mafia? Well this is the first time I can remember finding something that actually looks like a laughing mafia.
As an aside, 991 is actually the post that first drew my attention. It's only commenting on the write-up:
If you, Master Windu could not avoid death, I am very, very concerned for the rest of us.
but it feels out of place, contrived. I've been "concerned for the rest of us" since Night Zero, you know? Anyway, that's what got me looking to find all of the above, though it's next to nothing in itself.
:laugh4:
I can say one word, and now the whole town flips out because atheotes and Diamondeye want to think it's suspicious.
Simply put: The Jedi Masters (and possibly other Jedi) have been going to the Jedi Holocron every night or so to get their abilities, as has been mentioned by Beskar and/or Niklas, our resident confirmed Jedi Master.
I assumed that, since there were no Sith when we arrived, and the following night there were two Sith, while we did not gain any more people, that it was probably a Sith Holocron that was found, and that converted two of our Jedi knights. After all, they have been claimed by Star Wars lore (in this very thread) to be able to turn Jedi to the Dark Side, and as the Sith had dissappeared for a thousand years, it is virtually the only way for these Jedi (who believe the Sith are a legend) to turn.
That explain enough? It's a very logical line of thinking.
Logical until you start adding up the numbers -- two additional Sith every night overwhelms the rest of us pretty soon by default. Plus, Methos was one of those called -- is he Sith despite being killed by one of them? Can you really have missed the posts that suggested or said flat-out (can't remember exactly which) that that had happened to him?
I'm dubious, Chaotix.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 22:47
hmm, nice. That "master windu" comment does look contrived.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-20-2010, 22:49
Huh.. triple post.
Renata, what Chaotix is saying that 2 people found Sith holocron and turned into Siths while the others were going to the Jedi holocron to gain new powers as pro-town players.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 22:54
One thing about next round...can we make it a bit less dramatic, and perhaps have a 6 vote "cap" after which people just fos? I think it would benefit us to cut down on the "reaction wagoning". "I don't like the beskar lynch, so I have to vote pizza" etc.
Huh.. triple post.
Renata, what Chaotix is saying that 2 people found Sith holocron and turned into Siths while the others were going to the Jedi holocron to gain new powers as pro-town players.
Thanks, Ibn, I think that makes more sense. Will have to think about it.
Round 5
Day
It was yet again night time and Count Dooku had some business to attend to before turning in. He finished his late supper consisting of canned expedition grub and some dried fruit. Not particularly satisfied he left his quarters and headed in a particular direction. He had just closed his door and started walking when he heard a sinister voice behind him. “Count Dooku!! I have been waiting for you.”
Count Dooku spun around just to see a cloaked being crouching like a cat just before it attacks its prey. The cloaked being released whatever it had charged and jumped forward with its hands stretched forth. Count Dooku reacted instinctively and raised his own hands and drew force to block whatever was released at him. A whoosh sound filled the whole corridor as if air was pushed forward by an immensely strong current. As Dooku tried with all his power to deflect the force current, he was beat to the ground. He managed however to alter the direction of the force current just a tad, but nothing could stop it. Instead of following the length of the hallway it crushed into Count Dooku’s quarters and cascaded through it and breeched a large hole in the ship side. Count Dooku was thrown into his no-wall quarters and the space vacuum was sucking it dry for debris and was pulling at Count Dooku himself. Dooku realizing what was about to happen, cried out: “This… can’t … be…happening!” Then he was gone, blown into space by the ship's pressure leaking out of the hole.
The cloaked being had gripped a pipe in the hallway and was struggling to hold on.
The ship’s anti hull breech system took effect and seals were plugging the now desolate quarters of former Count Dooku. Soon the air-.pressure normalized and the cloaked being could let go of the pipe. He turned and looked at the razed cabins and smiled. This was indeed a powerful force ability to be used with care.
Koffi Arana had been doing his Padawan exercises and hoped his extensive spare time training hours would give him a promotion to full Jedi Knight soon.
He neared the area where his quarters were when he saw someone standing blocking the hallway.
Fully knowing that this could be the killers of the last nights, Koffi stopped. He hoped he had not been spotted and dove into some shadows.
But he had been too slow. A sinister male voice could be heard: “Koffi…. Koffi Arana… come out to play…” Koffi’s face drained of blood and he started to shake uncontrollably. It was as if his legs couldn’t react. He tried to move but failed miserably. Then the creature was over him, dark cloak hiding face and features. A crimson blade sprang to life which bathed them both in an aerie reddish light. Koffi Arana never felt the glowing plasma blade shearing his head clean off from his body. The cloaked creature laughed uncontrollably. “Hahahhahhaa!!!...“
Another figure was out and about and when he reached his destination, he was met with a hallway and quarters blown up. It looked like a bomb had exploded and ripped a hole in the ship side. The person's cabin he intended to visit was just gone and the person was nowhere to be found.
Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force were meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he had received. The directions led to a special storage area.
The morning came and they were two less members of the expedition. The expedition leader gave a similar talk to the other mornings including the promotion of a Jedi Knight.
Belth Allusis has been raised to Jedi Master. Congratulations!!
Voting ends at 23:00 Central European time 21st of April (roughly in 23 hours ).
I am slightly changing the time schedule. Next round should be a full 24 hour session.
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 23:05
Interesting. I think the beskar wagon from yesterday is a good place to look for mafia. It seems like they killed him tonight because they gave up on getting him lynched--which presumably means they were trying to get him lynched.
The ones who remained voting for Beskar at the end were pever, khaan, and Subo.
I'm too lazy to find out who voted for him and changed it, though...
For now, vote: pevergreen.
I think it's been a looooooooong time since he was mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 23:15
The ones who remained voting for Beskar at the end were pever, khaan, and Subo.
I'm too lazy to find out who voted for him and changed it, though...
For now, vote: pevergreen.
I think it's been a looooooooong time since he was mafia.
:stare:
SoS:Chaotix
Earlier today, Beskar informed me that he had received Chaotix's word that he would be protected tonight, and yet here we are now, with a dead Jedi Master.
So, what happened Chaotix? How come you didn't follow through with your word and protect Beskar?
vote: Chaotix
I don't know. I am not the Jedi Master. I have a contact who is, and I was told that Beskar would be protected. Apparently he changed his mind, and I am awaiting a response.
Sasaki always thinks I am suspicious for some reason. I will change my vote soon, most likely.
It was yet again night time and Count Dooku had some business to attend to before turning in. He finished his late supper consisting of canned expedition grub and some dried fruit. Not particularly satisfied he left his quarters and headed in a particular direction. He had just closed his door and started walking when he heard a sinister voice behind him. “Count Dooku!! I have been waiting for you.”
Count Dooku spun around just to see a cloaked being crouching like a cat just before it attacks its prey. The cloaked being released whatever it had charged and jumped forward with its hands stretched forth. Count Dooku reacted instinctively and raised his own hands and drew force to block whatever was released at him. A whoosh sound filled the whole corridor as if air was pushed forward by an immensely strong current. As Dooku tried with all his power to deflect the force current, he was beat to the ground. He managed however to alter the direction of the force current just a tad, but nothing could stop it. Instead of following the length of the hallway it crushed into Count Dooku’s quarters and cascaded through it and breeched a large hole in the ship side. Count Dooku was thrown into his no-wall quarters and the space vacuum was sucking it dry for debris and was pulling at Count Dooku himself. Dooku realizing what was about to happen, cried out: “This… can’t … be…happening!” Then he was gone, blown into space by the ship's pressure leaking out of the hole.
The cloaked being had gripped a pipe in the hallway and was struggling to hold on.
The ship’s anti hull breech system took effect and seals were plugging the now desolate quarters of former Count Dooku. Soon the air-.pressure normalized and the cloaked being could let go of the pipe. He turned and looked at the razed cabins and smiled. This was indeed a powerful force ability to be used with care.
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
Earlier today, Beskar informed me that he had received Chaotix's word that he would be protected tonight, and yet here we are now, with a dead Jedi Master.
So, what happened Chaotix? How come you didn't follow through with your word and protect Beskar?
vote: Chaotix
This is also correct.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-20-2010, 23:21
I don't know. I am not the Jedi Master. I have a contact who is, and I was told that Beskar would be protected. Apparently he changed his mind, and I am awaiting a response.
Sasaki always thinks I am suspicious for some reason. I will change my vote soon, most likely.
unvote, vote:Chaotix
It is Chaotix? How bout that.
vote: Chaotix
(Another confirmation from a living person this time; Beskar told me about an hour ago that someone was supposed to be protecting him, and also that someone had the name of the person in question, in case the protection did not materialize.)
Waiting for your scapegoat, Chaotix, if it is one.
The ones who remained voting for Beskar at the end were pever, khaan, and Subo.
So did Niklas, Sigurd's tally was wrong.
I was talking to Beskar a good deal over the last 24 hours. First, his death should not have happened, Yoda told him he was protected:
I got some one claiming to be Yoda, protecting me. But being honest, I got nothing to suggest they actually are. I do know what the jedi power is and what rank to protect some one is. (I haven't recieved a reply from this "Yoda" yet, they seem too inactive for my liking)
Second, he was concerned about Niklas due to the death of Mace Windu:
Also, what is amusing, if you go back "Beskar guessed it might be Methos, but the only others that knew were me, methos and Niklas". Notice something? "Niklas". Csargo claimed to be immune for one lynch as well, guess who was there? Niklas. All-in-all, guess which name popped up constantly? At least we found the possible source.
My discussion with Beskar is what prompted me do a re-read of the thread, mainly targetted at Niklas. As far as I was aware, Beskar was intending to investigate Niklas last night. I believe Niklas got him first.
Vote: Niklas
I don't know. I am not the Jedi Master. I have a contact who is, and I was told that Beskar would be protected. Apparently he changed his mind, and I am awaiting a response.
Sasaki always thinks I am suspicious for some reason. I will change my vote soon, most likely.
This is utter bovine excrement; if it wasn't you that was intended to protect Beskar but this Jedi Master... well it seems to be that you've been well and truly hoodwinked.
Forget "waiting for a response", they need to answer for it directly. We have lost a Jedi Master... a role, who I might add, wielded seven abilities according to Beskar.
How the Dickens do we recover from losing that?
But presumably it is. All of a sudden I feel so much better about Sasaki. I KNEW there was something off about you not voting for either ATPG or Sasaki on day two.
Kagemusha
04-20-2010, 23:27
Well this seems solid.Either someone used Chaotix to take the blame.Or he is lying. Chaotix could you share with the rest of us whom this individual you mentioned could be?
Don't get defeatist, Secura. Plenty of ways to win a mafia game.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 23:30
Interesting. I think the beskar wagon from yesterday is a good place to look for mafia. It seems like they killed him tonight because they gave up on getting him lynched--which presumably means they were trying to get him lynched.
or they attacked Methos without knowing he was Mace Windu. Seeing as they could kill a Jedi master, they decided to attack Beskar.
Chaotix must be referring to the person that Beskar thought was Yoda. We need information on this.
I am not going to reveal the name of my contact. Beskar revealed he was a master, and we see where that got him.
Beskar, as a Master that was susceptible to the Dark Side, was utterly untrustable. As far as I know, the master I am in contact with had other abilities, and more than Beskar did. I believe he may have been trying to remove Beskar's ability to vigilante-kill so he could not turn- but did not realize he was actually going to be attacked.
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 23:32
I am not going to reveal the name of my contact. Beskar revealed he was a master, and we see where that got him.
You'll reveal that name to me, and I'll be lynched today instead. Otherwise:
vote: Chaotix
Kagemusha
04-20-2010, 23:34
I am not going to reveal the name of my contact. Beskar revealed he was a master, and we see where that got him.
Beskar, as a Master that was susceptible to the Dark Side, was utterly untrustable. As far as I know, the master I am in contact with had other abilities, and more than Beskar did. I believe he may have been trying to remove Beskar's ability to vigilante-kill so he could not turn- but did not realize he was actually going to be attacked.
Well in that case im sorry to say this but i guess we just have to lynch you. Vote: Chaotix
Ah. And now I am the next scapegoat.
Do you realize that if I reveal the protector, then he WILL BE KILLED? Do you want the protector to be killed?
You are all being incredibly irrational. If I didn't know better, I'd call scum on all of you.
Beskar, as a Master that was susceptible to the Dark Side, was utterly untrustable. As far as I know, the master I am in contact with had other abilities, and more than Beskar did. I believe he may have been trying to remove Beskar's ability to vigilante-kill so he could not turn- but did not realize he was actually going to be attacked.
This is utter carp.
Beskar was completely immune to the Dark Side as long as he didn't kill anyone; even a single night kill would make him susceptible, but until then, he was clean... it was town tunnel logic that made him untrustable, and now look what's happened, we're down a major power role.
Beskar had eight abilities until one was stolen from him by the Sith, so if you're saying that your contact has eight or more abilities... has this not raised any alarms for you? If you thought Beskar was untrustworthy, what makes this target so valid and believable?
Beskar is dead now, who is going to answer for that? Because he says it's you, and all I see is someone passing the buck to someone that they can't name.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-20-2010, 23:38
I am not going to reveal the name of my contact. Beskar revealed he was a master, and we see where that got him.
Beskar, as a Master that was susceptible to the Dark Side, was utterly untrustable. As far as I know, the master I am in contact with had other abilities, and more than Beskar did. I believe he may have been trying to remove Beskar's ability to vigilante-kill so he could not turn- but did not realize he was actually going to be attacked.
You do know that you currently doomed yourself?
Btw, if you don't want to reveal this name in public then reveal this to me since I am confirmed townie.
I'd call scum on all of you.
Scumtell.
Askthepizzaguy
04-20-2010, 23:38
Ah. And now I am the next scapegoat.
Do you realize that if I reveal the protector, then he WILL BE KILLED? Do you want the protector to be killed?
You are all being incredibly irrational. If I didn't know better, I'd call scum on all of you.
You do know better. I need to die at some point or else I will simply be recruited, that's a fact. I will die by the lynch this game, there's no way I'm getting murdered.
Since I am on my way out, and I was proven last round not to be a Sith by the guy who just got murdered by them, you can tell me and I can go verify your story with this person, to prove that you aren't lying.
If no such person exists and confirms your story, you die. Otherwise I die in your place. That's how I'm playing this, as it is the one useful function I can actually perform.
Kagemusha
04-20-2010, 23:39
Ah. And now I am the next scapegoat.
Do you realize that if I reveal the protector, then he WILL BE KILLED? Do you want the protector to be killed?
You are all being incredibly irrational. If I didn't know better, I'd call scum on all of you.
Well if the protector does not protect when he says he does that and causes deaths by that.He is either incompetent or scum.These kind of risks we cant afford to just shrug off.
atheotes
04-20-2010, 23:39
How about some attention for Niklas as well...
Vote: Niklas
I highly doubt this other person had as many abilities I did. I only had them through pure fluke. I got 3 hits of the Holocron.
What is also strange, the Mafia's powers seem to work like a wave. They get stronger and stronger till they hit a point. You got some one using Force Grip, then Force Lightning and then Force Current.
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