Large Mafia Game StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 13

Sigurd

05-10-2010, 00:16

Round 15

Night

Qui Gon was too tired to go anywhere else but sit on his chair and watch the voting procedure taking place. The votes shifted from one Jedi Member to the next and when the voting session neared the end, there was yet again a clear candidate.
Qui-Gon knew who it was before the Jedi Knight brought the tally.
Qui-Gon had recovered some of his strength and managed to get up. He declared: “Could Mas Amedda please come forward.” The big blue Charigan got up smiling and replied: “Is all this really necessary?” A few of the Knights and Masters moved to Qui Gon’s side ready for any trouble that the large Charigan might cause. Mas simply put his hands in the air with a shrug. “I am not going to cause any trouble, if that’s what you think. But I doubt another space walk will make any thing different from yesterday.” Qui-Gon looked grim. “Let’s get this over with!”
The Jedi walked ceremoniously out to the hangar with Mas Amedda as lead. The Charigan stepped out into space and floated slowly away. He turned to the gathered Jedi and started smiling… but then that smile froze and his eyes glazed over. Mas Amedda died the cold death.
His body was retrieved and placed among the others in the morgue.

“I guess that was a surprise” Qu-Gon smiled. “I hope that was the end of the Sith.” Qui-Gon was not too sure though.
“Let’s get back to work people”

Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1, night orders in by 22:00 GMT+1 (21 hours from now)

Tally:

Centurion1: 7 (ATPG, atheotes, Cent1, Diamondeye, pever, Subotan, TinCow)
Subotan: 1 (Chaotix)

Not voting: 2 (Niklas, Psycho)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Centurion1

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom
splitpersonality

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Subotan
TinCow

TinCow

05-10-2010, 00:26

Lynching someone three days in a row is a victory in any mafia game, even if they're innocent. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-10-2010, 00:31

Centurion wins the "lynched most times in a single game" award. And you guys say vigging isn't pro-town :bounce:

Centurion1

05-10-2010, 00:38

I hope you guys can still win now......

Beskar

05-10-2010, 01:10

Guess who the mafia is, and you get a cookie. You have been told enough times.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-10-2010, 01:20

We know pizza is mafia, but we are trying to lynch the original sith or something.

Choxorn

05-10-2010, 01:23

Probably pever and ATPG, nothing else makes sense.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 01:26

Can we at least agree if I were Sith, I'm delivering an awesome performance?

ULC

05-10-2010, 01:37

Why oh why hath Sigurd broken canon? Why give out a role that has scum written all over it?

TinCow

05-10-2010, 01:38

Why oh why hath Sigurd broken canon? Why give out a role that has scum written all over it?

Jar Jar Binks is in this game?

ULC

05-10-2010, 01:41

Jar Jar Binks is in this game?

Hardy Har, :daisy: Har. There was no reason to include Mas Amedda in this game - it's like Sigurd intentionally setup Centurion to die, or whomever obtained Mas Amedda's role.

Centurion1

05-10-2010, 01:45

Ha a conspiracy but I held outbas long as I could by simply not saying a single thing for 75 pages

TinCow

05-10-2010, 01:51

Hardy Har, :daisy: Har. There was no reason to include Mas Amedda in this game - it's like Sigurd intentionally setup Centurion to die, or whomever obtained Mas Amedda's role.

That wasn't the only role like that actually. I can't remember which role or who had it now, but I remember one of the early lynches was some kind of bounty hunter who tracked down Jedi. No history of being a Jedi or anything, and actively hunted down and captured some Jedi. At the time I thought it was some independent role, but in hindsight it was probably just another normal townie role.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 02:07

Palpatine was a townie, so we can't even say we didn't have a heads up about roles that were never Jedi that turned out to be Jedi.

Mas Amedda threw me though because he was never force-sensitive. I forgot about the bounty hunter.

Ha a conspiracy but I held outbas long as I could by simply not saying a single thing for 75 pages

Moral of the story:

Next time someone gets a role like Mas Amedda or Palpatine, they reveal early and go "hai guys, I might sound like I am Sith but I am not. Lynch me if you wanna."

TheFlax

05-10-2010, 03:29

That wasn't the only role like that actually. I can't remember which role or who had it now, but I remember one of the early lynches was some kind of bounty hunter who tracked down Jedi. No history of being a Jedi or anything, and actively hunted down and captured some Jedi. At the time I thought it was some independent role, but in hindsight it was probably just another normal townie role.

That was me as Dhidal Nyz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dhidal_Nyz).

Chaotix

05-10-2010, 04:30

Well, assuming there aren't two mafia, they don't kill two Jedi Masters, and they don't win next morning, I think we've got one round left to catch them. At this rate, if the Sith are anyone but pevergreen and Subotan, they deserve the "You duped Chaotix and had him thinking you were innocent the whole time" award.

And if it's ATPG, then I will bang my head on my desk for a minute straight, and ATPG will probably go back to being the first lynch in every subsequent game.

pevergreen

05-10-2010, 04:34

At this rate, if the Sith are anyone but pevergreen and Subotan

Well, thats just mean.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 04:47

And if it's ATPG, then I will bang my head on my desk for a minute straight, and ATPG will probably go back to being the first lynch in every subsequent game.

And after I'm dead by lynch 7 times in a row, I'll become mafia and that will be the game you don't lynch me, as usual. :beam: Nearly broke that pattern with Mafia IX and this game, so keep the faith.

You were right... You were right about me. Tell your sister.... you were right.

Niklas

05-10-2010, 10:30

Oh, you're done now? Great, I can speak again. I hardly dared breathe in here for fear I would disturb you in your endeavor to have poor Centurion1 lynched. Triple mislynch, makes my Sith heart all warm and stuff. :smitten:

Oh, and btw: :end: :laugh4:

naut

05-10-2010, 15:11

I get the feeling we need to vig one of pever or Subo. I'd lean towards pever, if he has Force Breath that'd be to much to deal with.

Yaropolk

05-10-2010, 16:25

Hi, can we lynch the known mafioso (ATPG) next?

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 20:28

Hi, can we lynch the known mafioso (ATPG) next?

Oh please do. That would be the finishing touch this game needs.

Diamondeye

05-10-2010, 21:42

TinCow

05-10-2010, 21:46

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 21:49

Subotan

05-10-2010, 21:52

You're right, I think all this recirculated air is messing with my respiratory system.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 21:53

You're right, I think all this recirculated air is messing with my respiratory system.

Nice of you to pop by when your name is mentioned.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 21:54

You're right, I think all this recirculated air is messing with my respiratory system.

It's a little known fact that all Sith have asthma.

Niklas

05-10-2010, 21:57

Meh! I just came online and wanted to alter my orders, but TC has told me he already got his "Under attack" notice...

I hope we manage. Tincow, I know it might be too late, but please try to alter your orders to reflect this; I think Psycho is right in thinking we should not hit Subotan after all.

I'll try, probably too late though. Doesn't really matter if I die though... if the Sith strike me down, I shall become more powerful than they could possibly imagine.
So TC managed to tell you that he received his "under attack" notice via private channels, yet you couldn't ask him to alter his orders via the same channels? You're putting on a nice show, I just wonder what kind of reaction you're looking to get from it. :clown:

TinCow

05-10-2010, 21:58

I just wonder what kind of reaction you're looking to get from it. :clown:

Personally, I'd like a Tony Nomination.

Subotan

05-10-2010, 22:03

Nice of you to pop by when your name is mentioned.
I'm always watching.

It's a little known fact that all Sith have asthma.
Why do you think they have the power Force Choke?

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 22:05

I'm fine with whoever gets lynched today. If it was Psychonaut, YLC Renata and I get the mother of all I told you so's, but I doubt that's going to happen. If it was Subotan, I was crawling up his behind well before we even wasted 3 lynches on Centurion1, and DE will tell you I argued passionately for his lynch in private. If it was pevergreen, he's the probable lynch anyway, and my apologies. If it was Diamondeye, I will be dumbfounded how that is possible. Same with the metallic cow. It it is me, then I will wear it as a badge of honor and won't stop chuckling for days.

Renata

05-10-2010, 22:07

Getting nervous, Niklas? Wasn't expecting you to pop up just then.

Centurion1

05-10-2010, 22:09

i want a most stubborn to live medal!

Niklas

05-10-2010, 22:10

Not nervous, just biding my time until the update comes around so I can finally laugh properly. ~:)

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 22:11

Not nervous, just biding my time until the update comes around so I can finally laugh properly. ~:)

Still a bit of a departure from your Centurion1 silence.

Centurion1

05-10-2010, 22:17

which should have been a bit of a sign no.........

Niklas

05-10-2010, 22:34

Still a bit of a departure from your Centurion1 silence.
Indeed, Centurion is already lynched. It's been so boring to be silent all this time!

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 22:37

which should have been a bit of a sign no.........

Don't look at me, I spent an hour arguing with Diamondeye about it. I agreed with you as a number two choice, but I strongly argued against it.

Diamondeye

05-10-2010, 22:40

Don't look at me, I spent an hour arguing with Diamondeye about it. I agreed with you as a number two choice, but I strongly argued against it.

And you must agree that we were both very reasonable in that hour of discussion, and we reached lots of smart thoughts and so on.

Also, I survived a 1-hour convo with ATPG without descending further into madness. Just give me an award already :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 22:42

And you must agree that we were both very reasonable in that hour of discussion, and we reached lots of smart thoughts and so on.

I gotta give you that. I felt like I was actually being listened to, not just dismissed as a block of words. You gave me the floor and let me speak my piece, and that's all I can ask.

Sigurd

05-10-2010, 23:03

Round 15

Day

Belth Allusis was heading towards a certain part of the quarters section. He was grim of sight and walked with a purpose. He was ready for anything.
As he rounded a corner he was met by a dark cloaked being standing in the middle of the hallway. Belth quickly erected a force protection barrier around him. It was just in time too, because the dark and cloaked being with burning amber eyes leaped from a crouching position releasing something. The walls on either side of Belth, including roof and floor were flayed like leaf before the north wind. The force was so strong that it opened the roof of the quarter’s section beneath him and Belth lost footing and fell down to the floor below. His force field took most of the impact and he got up ready for whatever came next. The cloaked being came sailing through the air and landed like a cat next to Belth. Belth could sense that this Sith was about to launch the follow up attack. But Belth was ready for it. He grabbed the being with the force and flung it down the hallway. The being was tired after the destruction up stairs and being thrown is this manner did take the rest of the strength it had.
Belth Allusis was walking over to where the cloaked and beaten being lay, when another cloaked being approached from the other side. Belth was getting tired holding the protection field up by the force. The new and fresh Sith stared at Belth with evil and hateful amber eyes. “So you bested my apprentice did you? I sense the dark side in you, but I can’t let you live.” The dark being stretched forth both hands and lightning danced forth from them. Belth’s protective barrier was nearly failing but it took the main part of the torrent of blue energy. When he couldn’t hold it up any longer, electricity danced on his body which made him scream. When the torrent finally subsided, Belth was kneeling on the floor panting. Every muscle in his body was cramping and he couldn’t utter a word. The cloaked being got nearer to Belth and leaned over and whispered with a sinister voice: “You are powerful, Jedi, but the Sith will always prevail.” And by that Belth felt his lungs being emptied and something tightening around his throat. Soon darkness came to Belth as he lost consciousness.

Streen was heading back to his cabin in a hurry. He felt as he was being stalked…Then he heard the quick footsteps in the hallway. Streen was worried now. Who would be walking here at this hour? It was only him that had taken a cabin in these parts. The footsteps came closer and he saw the green hue of what could only be a lightsabre around the hallway corner. Streen stepped back into the shadows of the hallway just before a person came striding round the corner, looking grim and with lightsabre in hand. The person obviously had expected that someone was there around the corner, because he looked up and down the hallway and seemed confused. The person grunted when he couldn’t see anyone and continued down the hallway mumbling something. When the coast was clear, Streen reentered the dim light of the hallway and wondered what that was all about.

Kyp Durron was utterly tired after a long day fixing the ship’s power grid. He really needed some rest after today’s ordeal. Along the way, he met a recognizable person who asked if it was alright that he tagged along. Kyp didn’t mind as this was a person he trusted. They walked along chatting about the ship and how to best get it up and running. When they got to Kyp’s cabin, the other person asked if he could talk with Kyp some more. Kyp agreed and the both entered the cabin. The other person suddenly turned towards Kyp abd gestured. Kyp slumped lifeless to the floor. The other person looked concerned and walked over to the now comatosed Kyp. “I am sorry friend, but I have to do this.” He crouched down and closed his eyes. The world would have spun around Kyp had he been conscious. The other person cursed that he had used his powers in the wrong order … again.
Kyp Durron woke up right before the meeting in the auditorium and couldn’t remember at all why he had fallen asleep on the floor of his cabin fully clothed.

The meeting was in session and everybody was there except Kyp Durron and Belth Allusis. Kyp Durron finally arrived looking haggard.
Qui Gon took one look at Kyp before continuing; We lost a Jedi Master last night and we need therefore to promote a new one.
I have decided to raise Nomi Sunrider to the rank of Jedi Master. She is certainly capable of such an office. Congratulations!!! A bright light appeared behind Nomi Sunrider and a personage materialised. The personage lay a hand on Nomi's shoulder and nodded in approval. The being looked like Belth Allusis and the other Jedi looked at him in awe. The personage uttered: "Find my killers, they are among you", before he vanished like he came.

Qui-Gon admonished them to start voting.

Voting ends at 23:00 GMT+1 (in 23 hours) Tuesday 11th of May

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Centurion1

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
TinCow

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
TinCow

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Subotan

ULC

05-10-2010, 23:08

Well, GG.

Diamondeye

05-10-2010, 23:13

I'm pretty annoyed at the pedanticism of me ordering the interrogation and the block on the same person in the wrong order rendering the investigation useless.

Nevertheless, this clears pevergreen, as both Sith are accounted for tonight. Since I am also in the clear, two of the following must be sith; ATPG, Psychonaut and Subotan.

However; ATPG talked to me and suggested lynching Subotan, while Psychonaut asked me to try and vigilante kill either pevergreen or Subotan.
This makes Subotan unlikely to be sith, in my opinion;

I was not roleblocked tonight....
Psychonaut is the sith lord.
ATPG is his (new) apprentice.

Therefore;
vote: Psychonaut

ULC

05-10-2010, 23:14

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...I told you didn't I? No one listens.

^ I'll save that for later.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 23:16

Well why on earth would Subotan be using Force Stealth I wonder.

Vote: Subotan

edit: Just learned that isn't Force Stealth, but Force Cloak.

Choxorn

05-10-2010, 23:21

Vote:ATPG

I don't care that I'm dead.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:25

Something has been bothering me about this game for a little while now: the lack of any attacks on Psychonaut. Psycho revealed himself as Jedi Master Obi-wan during D5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2475226&viewfull=1#post2475226). There have now been TEN night phases since that time, but Psychonaut has never once been attacked by the Sith.

At certain points, that was understandable. Mafia want to let lynchbait live, and Psycho was certainly under a lot of heat at various points in time. However, that hasn't been the case for the last couple day phases. There is no way anyone could read yesterday's lynch round and conclude that Psycho was a likely lynch. In addition, Psycho claimed to to have a Doctor power, and was known to be claiming to be protecting Diamondeye. Obviously the Sith fear DE's powers, or they would not be blocking him all the time. So, it also stands to reason that the Sith would want DE dead. The lack of attacks on DE makes sense, because we all know about Psycho protecting him. However, that should make Psycho himself a priority target for the Sith: kill Psycho to drop the defense on DE, then kill DE.

That hasn't happened. Indeed, the Sith seem to have gone out of their way to avoid him. They clearly don't like me much, but after failing to kill me the first time, they actually tried a second and a third time. Why would they go after me a second time, someone who clearly has very strong defensive powers, when there's another publicly revealed Master who had stated that he had only two defensive powers, and one had been drained? And a third attack on top of that after I was strong enough to dodge the second, when Psycho was still sitting there without any lynch pressure on him at all, with a Doctor ability, and claiming to have only Force Speed (Padawan level) as a protection? It doesn't add up.

Now, as I have mentioned before, the problem with accusations of Psychonaut are the fact that he was roleblocked on two consecutive nights: N9 and N10. Chaotix specifically told me that the GM roleblock power appears to block all actions, not a finite number, so the continued activity on the night Psycho was blocked have been strong evidence in his favor... until now.

After my failed vig attempt on ATPG, I gained a new power: Force Cloak (Jedi Master ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Force_Cloak.png

This is the role PM descriptions of that power:

By harnessing this force you feel you can do the following:
...
Use the force to deflect light around you in such a way as to completely hide you (Force Cloak) – counters most attacks and all types of investigations.

Night actions:
You can elect to do one the following:
...
Completely hide from night actions that might be targeting you (force cloak)

That appears to me to be a power that could make someone immune to a roleblock. Now, check out this PM (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484809&viewfull=1#post2484809) Psycho sent to Renata much earlier in the game (first spoiler in the post). Notice that he specifically referenced Force Cloak in conjunction with Palpatine, and actually linked to the Wookiepedia page that has the exact same image that Sigurd is using for that ability in this game. How would Psychonaut know that ability was in the game that early if he didn't have it himself? That PM was also sent on April 21st, which is about N5. That's LONG before he was blocked by DE, which occurred on N9 and N10. So, if Psychonaut had that ability on N9/N10 and knew that he was going to be blocked/investigated, all he had to do was use one of his actions on Force Cloak, and then he would be free to use the rest of his actions killing, disco dancing, or whatever else it is the Sith do for fun. That would explain how Psycho was able to kill on N9 and N10, despite DE's roleblocks.

Use of Force Cloak also explains the contradictory results on Psychonaut when he was investigated. For those who do not remember, Psycho claimed to still have one defensive ability when he was blocked the second night. However, DE's scan of him showed no abilities at all, and was unusually vague about his alignment and his race. Psycho claims this is some kind of conflict that results from blocking and investigating someone on the same night, but it seems far more likely to be the result of an investigation performed on someone using Force Cloak... especially since Force Cloak specifically says it counters "all types of investigations."

Another thing to note, on N12 when I was first attacked (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2482905&viewfull=1#post2482905), the write-up included this bit:

Belth was not going to stand here contending further with this Sith. He was exhausted but managed to use the last bit of strength and force. Before the cloaked person was again on the feet ready to finish the fight, Belth was gone. The cloaked person looked up and down the long hallway but couldn’t see Belth anywhere. The cloaked being cursed: “Impossible, only I am that fast.”

My disappearance was because I was using Force Speed. The final quote by the Sith indicates he has that power too. Psychonaut has stated that he has Force Speed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484481&viewfull=1#post2484481).

This is, of course, on top of all of the other scumtastic stuff that was pointed out about Psycho during the round when I defended him.

Vote: Psychonaut

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 23:26

unvote, vote: Psychonaut

Our "doctor" should be dead by now. And how in the blue heck would he know about Force Cloak, which I didn't even know existed until about two seconds ago.

holy poop I must have missed something, let me read.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:27

On top of my pre-prepared case, there is other evidence as well from this write-up. Last night I targetted Psychonaut for a vig hit. Notice that there is no independent attack on Obi-wan listed. Therefore my attack on Psycho is part of my duel with the Sith, which proves Psycho is Sith.

Diamondeye

05-10-2010, 23:32

Allow me to rephrase the part about ATPG:

Psychonaut suggested I attacked Subotan or pever. This would indicate that they are not on his team, but Subotan was hiding tonight.

As such, the Sith master is Psychonaut.

His apprentice is either ATPG or Subotan. Not 100 % certain on ATPG, so lynch Psycho today.

If he has Breath Control I'm going to cry.

ULC

05-10-2010, 23:39

I love being vindicated.

And no, I'm not going to stop.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 23:41

Streen was heading back to his cabin in a hurry. He felt as he was being stalked…Then he heard the quick footsteps in the hallway. Streen was worried now. Who would be walking here at this hour? It was only him that had taken a cabin in these parts. The footsteps came closer and he saw the green hue of what could only be a lightsabre around the hallway corner. Streen stepped back into the shadows of the hallway just before a person came striding round the corner, looking grim and with lightsabre in hand. The person obviously had expected that someone was there around the corner, because he looked up and down the hallway and seemed confused. The person grunted when he couldn’t see anyone and continued down the hallway mumbling something. When the coast was clear, Streen reentered the dim light of the hallway and wondered what that was all about.

Subotan was caught using Force Cloak, a power the Sith would have.

Psychonaut was caught with knowledge of Force Cloak, which he said Yaseikhaan would have. That was a lie.

Psycho and Subo are the Sith.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:42

His apprentice is either ATPG or Subotan. Not 100 % certain on ATPG, so lynch Psycho today.

The apprentice is ATPG. I had the following conversation with him shortly before the results were posted:

Can you do anything at night to stop the Sith, or are you self-defense only?

I 've got nothing but defensive powers. Otherwise I would have attacked Subotan myself.

That's a shame, though keeping yourself alive is useful enough at this point. Try not to let yourself get killed tonight, if my vig fails tonight we will need your vote.

You'll find I'm full of surprises.

http://www.ossus.pl/images/d/d6/Vader_Luke_DeathStarII.jpg

*Sith knocks lightsaber out of my hands*

Uh, whoops.

The bit about "I'm full of surprises" is full of gloating by someone who knew he had submitted orders to kill me.

Chaotix

05-10-2010, 23:45

Vote: Psychonaut

You got blocked, there was only one kill attempt last night, and you have so far survived ten nights so far without being attacked, despite the fact that we gave you a full pass in the thread and declared you innocent by those roleblocks before- which we know now that you avoided using your Force Cloak.

There is no other explanation left.

Sith, you are, Obi-Wan. Betrayed the Jedi you have. To the Dark Side turned.

ULC

05-10-2010, 23:46

My bet is he is Darth Krayt - the two had quiet a relationship IMS.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:47

BTW, I have to say that Force Ghost is my favorite mafia 'ability' ever.

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 23:51

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:54

Interesting, though the font size was unnecessary. That is certainly worth exploring more. Fortunately, we have plenty of time left since Psycho is the solid lynch today.

Beskar

05-10-2010, 23:54

I like to point out, Psychonaut's nonsense power made him suspect ages ago, I am surprised he hasn't already been investigated now. I thought he already had been.

Diamondeye

05-10-2010, 23:55

That was a joke, and indeed, a reference to Star Wars V, which Luke says to Vader before he gets his saber knocked away.

Also, Force Cloak. Who is likely to have that? Jedi Master, as confirmed by Diamondeye.

Streen isn't a Jedi Master. Why would he have FORCE CLOAK????

Subotan is no Jedi Knight.

He has Force Cloak, a MASTER level ability. That means he's not a Jedi Knight.

Subotan is a Sith Lord. That's why he has a MASTER level Cloaking power.

He and Psychonaut are now doomed. :beam:

This is essentially correct; Subotan is seen avoiding (my) vigilante attack. The only known ablility that allows him this is Force Cloak, a Master ability.
Subotan is a Jedi Knight.

ATPG, my sincere apologies.

We will lynch Psychonaut first, and then his apprentice Subotan.

Subotan commands the Force Cloak-ability, or something like it; do not count on being able to vigilante-kill him: pevergreen and ATPG, please activate your defensive powers tonight when Psychonaut has been lynched.

seireikhaan

05-10-2010, 23:58

/Grumbles about how awesome everyone else apparently is. *in jest, of course*

I am most interested to see how this plays out.

TinCow

05-10-2010, 23:58

Also, looks like I need to apologize to Renata, ATPG, and YLC. They were right all along about Psycho, and I was wrong. Like I said, winning an argument isn't good if it hurts your team. Obviously my earlier defense of Psychonaut let the Sith kill for longer than was necessary. :creep:

ULC

05-10-2010, 23:59

Also, looks like I need to apologize to Renata and ATPG. They were right all along about Psych, and I was wrong. Like I said, winning an argument isn't good if it hurts your team. Obviously my earlier defense of Psychonaut let the Sith kill for longer than was necessary. :creep:

:brood:

Askthepizzaguy

05-10-2010, 23:59

Switched to Size 3.

It bears looking at. That one post is worth more than all my other hundreds of posts combined. But yeah 5 was too big

TinCow

05-11-2010, 00:01

:brood:

:laugh4: fixed

Subotan

05-11-2010, 00:01

We will lynch Psychonaut first, and then his apprentice Subotan.
Heh.

Renata

05-11-2010, 00:02

I can't believe it. Literally can't believe it. I'm still looking in all the sig files looking for the "haha this is just a joke", metaphorically speaking. Let's just hope it's not too late.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 00:04

Heh.

Don't even try.

Psychonaut knew about Force Cloak way back when? With his fictional power he made up, back when Niklas was alive? Yeah he's basically a confessed Sith Lord. And you, my golden friend, are his submissive boy-toy.

Diamondeye

05-11-2010, 00:05

I can't believe it. Literally can't believe it. I'm still looking in all the sig files looking for the "haha this is just a joke", metaphorically speaking. Let's just hope it's not too late.

I sent you a "You win" message on MSN.
Actually, it says something like "You share a cookie with Sasaki", but the idea's the same.

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 00:10

You took my favourite defence ability :no:
Lucky I didn't use the anti investigation ability.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 00:57

Darn, psychonaut is good with the fake claims.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 01:13

Darn, psychonaut is good with the fake claims.

But the doctor claim comes back and bites you in the butt. You have to die by murder, and you can't, and you can't attack who you're claiming to be protecting.

That's how Double A got screwed in that Swords and D20's mini game we were in together. Fake doc claims are worse than fake detective claims, because you become priority number one for the murder if it were real. And you handicap yourself murder wise.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 01:16

But the doctor claim comes back and bites you in the butt. You have to die by murder, and you can't, and you can't attack who you're claiming to be protecting.

That's how Double A got screwed in that Swords and D20's mini game we were in together. Fake doc claims are worse than fake detective claims, because you become priority number one for the murder if it were real. And you handicap yourself murder wise.

Ironically, Cent1's triple lynch helped us out here... it made it really obvious that Psycho was intentionally being ignored by the Sith at night. Had we lynched him in one go, we might have lynched ourselves into oblivion before turning attention back on Psycho again.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 01:22

It's kind of funny that we went "oh ok, he doesn't have a scum investigative ability, he got the names the same way TinCow does" and not "psycho was faking a detective role==scum" in retrospect. That's what you get for asking the wrong questions I guess.

Chaotix

05-11-2010, 01:26

Funny he doesn't even show up to defend himself now that even I'm against him.

Unfortunately for the whole town, it was pretty much me who kept giving him a free pass this whole time and believing his increasingly-unlikely stories.

Frankly, in retrospect, we should have lynched him when Diamondeye counterclaimed him on gaining an ability that one night so long ago, and we just dropped it and assumed it to be a host error.

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 01:32

Funny he doesn't even show up to defend himself now that even I'm against him.

$20 says he i still asleep...If I wasnt in class right now, I would be.

Chaotix

05-11-2010, 01:45

What time is it where you are? It's almost 9 PM in the States.

I keep forgetting Psycho's in Oz.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 01:58

There's proof Subotan is the apprentice, and Psycho is the lord, and here is the one-sentence answer.

Psychonaut with his fake investigation powers claimed that Palpatine had Force Cloak (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484809&viewfull=1#post2484809), a Master Level ability, and Palpatine was an Initiate and was innocent.

Palpatine - my results suggest he has Force Cloak, so I know he exists, but my own or any other investigative abilities may not correctly identify him.

:bow:

So yeah. And force cloak beats ALL investigations too, so that's a double whammy. That was 5 rounds before Niklas died, so based on the rule of two, Psycho is the master psychopath, and Subo is the submissive pawn.

Centurion1

05-11-2010, 02:13

you all focused wayyyyyyyy to much on my scumminess near the end here while subo just goaded you on...... seriously because i used my phone to post i was scum :inquisitive: What??????

yes i am very bitter.

naut

05-11-2010, 02:14

But the doctor claim comes back and bites you in the butt. You have to die by murder, and you can't, and you can't attack who you're claiming to be protecting.
It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then certain events unfolded that I had no control over and it was no longer pertinent to be a doctor.

Chaotix

05-11-2010, 02:17

It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then certain events unfolded that I had no control over and it was no longer pertinent to be a doctor.

Is that some sort of an admission of guilt?

:shrug:

Maybe he's the apprentice then. No big difference.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 02:20

It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then certain events unfolded that I had no control over and it was no longer pertinent to be a doctor.

Okay, I'll bite.

Explain how Yaseikhaan/Palpatine, Jedi Initiate later proved innocent, you claimed had a Master-level anti-investigation power which would defeat even the investigation which apparently found it. Which you claim was a fake power to begin with.

Obviously, Master Obi-wan, you have Force Cloak and lied and said Palpatine had it.

Also, explain why you volunteered to be scanned and roleblocked when you had Force Cloak, when you knew that would prove absolutely nothing?

Why did you keep Force Cloak from Chaotix? Yeah.... :yes:

naut

05-11-2010, 02:22

Okay, I'll bite.

Explain how Yaseikhaan/Palpatine, Jedi Initiate, you claimed had a Master-level anti-investigation power which would defeat even the investigation which apparently found it.

It's pretty easy to look up any force power on wookiepedia and make an educated guess that it is in the game and what it does. Force Cloak (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cloak).

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 02:27

It's pretty easy to look up any force power on wookiepedia and make an educated guess that it is in the game and what it does. Force Cloak (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cloak).

Yeah, so you decided to frame Palpatine with a guess ability made out of pure lies. That sounds innocent.

Why would you need to frame him anyway? We already thought he would be guilty.... you overkilled it. That was your biggest mistake.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 02:39

I'm not even sure psycho is arguing for his innocence.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 02:40

He's arguing he got recruited, and I know why.

So, Psychonaut, where were you last night when Belth was trying to vig you? Don't see your name in the writeup anywhere. No Sith has ever attacked Obi-wan. But, when you get scanned, you're shown as having no abilities, no race or alignment. Sounds very Force Cloak to me, which you have to activate and know about. So you actively used Force Cloak to escape investigation and the block around N9 and N10. Well, why would an innocent person do this? And you had this ability before Niklas even died, and were using it to hide your powers and alignment back then.

So, that means you are original Sith number two, and with Subotan being caught using it, that makes him recruited apprentice Sith.

Which means if we lynch Subotan, you recruit me and win.

Nope, you had your chance, guys. :beam:

Psycho dies, Subotan dies, and in that winning order.

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 03:19

Vote: Subotan

Choxorn

05-11-2010, 03:39

pever, don't be an idiot. Unvote:ATPG, Vote:Psychonaut.

I still don't care that I'm dead.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 03:53

pever, don't be an idiot. Unvote:ATPG, Vote:Psychonaut.

I still don't care that I'm dead.

I am still flattered by the suspicion. :bow: Thank you.

naut

05-11-2010, 05:50

So, Psychonaut, where were you last night when Belth was trying to vig you? Don't see your name in the writeup anywhere. No Sith has ever attacked Obi-wan. But, when you get scanned, you're shown as having no abilities, no race or alignment. Sounds very Force Cloak to me, which you have to activate and know about. So you actively used Force Cloak to escape investigation and the block around N9 and N10. Well, why would an innocent person do this? And you had this ability before Niklas even died, and were using it to hide your powers and alignment back then.
You don't ever stop being wrong do you ATPG. ~;p

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 05:53

You don't ever stop being wrong do you ATPG. ~;p

Please do show me where I am wrong. I am all ears.

You need to do more than stick your tongue out to defend yourself here Psychonaut. How about you respond to the substantive points made against you by.... well, just about everyone.

Should I give you something more condensed and point by point to respond to?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 06:06

Pizza you character, why do we need the sith lord to defend himself?

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 06:11

Pizza you character, why do we need the sith lord to defend himself?

Entertainment value. And, you know, that 1/100 chance he could be innocent. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

For your convenience, Psycho:

You claimed to have a power which allows you to see the names of all the various characters in the game. Which, you later admitted was a lie. True?

You claimed to be able to sense that Palpatine had Force Cloak, a power you'd only know about if you had such a power, because again, you admitted the first assertion was a lie, correct?
You claimed just this very round to have made up "force cloak" using your own imagination, and claimed Palpatine had it. Well he obviously did not, yes?

You claimed to have the ability to heal people with Force Healing, correct?

Problem with that is that you never got attacked by the Sith, and no one you defended ever got attacked. After Centurion1 gets lynched 3 times and you're nowhere near being lynched, and you're a claimed doctor, protecting Diamondeye, who is attempting to vig Sith lords, don't you think you'd have been attacked by now? Having claimed to be both a Master and Obi-Wan since round 5?

Can you explain how you get targeted by a vigilante and it not appear in the writeup?

Can you explain how you get investigated and have it reveal nothing about your abilities, alignment, or race, when others have that information readily available?

Do you deny having the power known as "Force Cloak"?

Which night of the game did you gain such power?

If you have the ability Force Cloak, do you not see how it is suspicious that you'd never bring it to Chaotix' attention?

Why did you waste our roleblocks and investigations by request, and then use Force Cloak? That means we CANNOT confirm you are who you say you are, and wastes our valuable time. Only a Sith would do this, do you agree?

Here's a fact: Force Cloak is a Master level Force power. Subotan having that power means that he is a Sith, because he is not a Jedi Master, correct?

I've been arguing for Subotan's head several times, yesterday included, and it seems he's now proven Sith. Are you suggesting I am the Sith lord?

pevergreen was successfully drained last night, and investigated, I believe. Do you contend that he is the Sith Lord?

How about Diamondeye, do you contend that he is the Sith Lord?

There's two left, Psychonaut. Which two are they, Subotan and who? Big hint: You'll never convince me it is me, and you'll need MY vote to survive. So you're accusing Diamondeye then, who keeps getting blocked by the Sith?

Respond to ALL of these points, and show me your defense. I have my popcorn ready. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

naut

05-11-2010, 06:29

So Pizza if I have been using Force Cloak all along, why are the write-ups of me being blocked not like these two:

A cloaked person moved unnoticed in the hallways looking for tonight’s target. Cabin doors were passed and the cloaked person halted a bit in passing each one, letting the force guide the way. The cloaked person tilted head up and back and seem to sense something, or rather the lack of something. Golden, or rather amber burning eyes were searching the shadows of the hallway. Someone was approaching, but somehow the cloaked being couldn’t sense who it was or if it was the one.
The cloaked person shifted into the shadows and vanished.

Streen was heading back to his cabin in a hurry. He felt as he was being stalked…Then he heard the quick footsteps in the hallway. Streen was worried now. Who would be walking here at this hour? It was only him that had taken a cabin in these parts. The footsteps came closer and he saw the green hue of what could only be a lightsabre around the hallway corner. Streen stepped back into the shadows of the hallway just before a person came striding round the corner, looking grim and with lightsabre in hand. The person obviously had expected that someone was there around the corner, because he looked up and down the hallway and seemed confused. The person grunted when he couldn’t see anyone and continued down the hallway mumbling something. When the coast was clear, Streen reentered the dim light of the hallway and wondered what that was all about.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 06:33

So Pizza if I have been using Force Cloak all along, why are the write-ups of me being blocked not like these two:

Indeed, why aren't they? If a roleblock is a Jedi Grandmaster-level ability, given all the other abilities people have, it is perfectly conceivable you have a different "Sith Lord only" anti-roleblock power. It isn't conclusive either way.

That uncertainty is not enough. You must respond to all the other points.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 06:37

It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then certain events unfolded that I had no control over and it was no longer pertinent to be a doctor.

What did you mean by this, Psychonaut?

Which certain events? Fully explain. I thought you said that you were defending Diamondeye. Which is the truth?

EDIT:
Hmm.... it's been over an hour. It's awfully quiet in here.

How about some music?

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Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left it's seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"fools" said i, "you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon God they made.
And the sign flashed out it's warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "the words of the prophets

Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls."
And whisper'd in the sounds of silence.

Nothing from Subotan either, so I'll take that (and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2486796&viewfull=1#post2486796)) as an admission of guilt. Nice of them both to vote, too..... for if either of them were innocent, it would be patently obvious who they are supposed to be voting for: each other.

"Good townie" act all dropped, then?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 07:34

Yeah, town power roles, when accused in the endgame, aren't like "oh...well...explain this then".

Diamondeye

05-11-2010, 08:00

It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then certain events unfolded that I had no control over and it was no longer pertinent to be a doctor.

"It wasn't a claim, it was true. But then I was mafia so why would I protect anyone at all?"

Vote: Subotan

pevergreen, we can win this without your vote on Psychonaut if all other townspeople and foce ghosts vote with us, but I'd much prefer if you changed your vote to Psychonaut straight away so we'll be in the clear :stare:

Please do show me where I am wrong. I am all ears.

I believe Tincow, like I, targetted Subotan tonight. We wanted to change orders to hit Psychonaut instead, but we were both late :shame:

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 08:27

I believe Tincow, like I, targetted Subotan tonight. We wanted to change orders to hit Psychonaut instead, but we were both late :shame:

Well I thought you'd be roleblocked tonight, so even I thought both of you should have targeted him. Who came up with the idea to attack Psychonaut too?

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 08:43

pevergreen, we can win this without your vote on Psychonaut if all other townspeople and foce ghosts vote with us, but I'd much prefer if you changed your vote to Psychonaut straight away so we'll be in the clear :stare:

maybs later

naut

05-11-2010, 08:54

Indeed, why aren't they? If a roleblock is a Jedi Grandmaster-level ability, given all the other abilities people have, it is perfectly conceivable you have a different "Sith Lord only" anti-roleblock power. It isn't conclusive either way.
Lol. The write-up of me being blocked is the same as pever being blocked. By your logic then, both pever and I are Sith Lords. :laugh4:

You are so far off the beaten path that it is hilarious.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 08:58

So, that means you are original Sith number two, and with Subotan being caught using it, that makes him recruited apprentice Sith.

This is a complete lie. When did I get recruited?

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 09:19

Lol. The write-up of me being blocked is the same as pever being blocked. By your logic then, both pever and I are Sith Lords. :laugh4:

You are so far off the beaten path that it is hilarious.

I see you have time to respond to the case made against you, so why don't you do that? :beam: It's only been three hours.

This is a complete lie. When did I get recruited?

Heh.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 09:21

No, seriously. Where's the evidence that I ever got recruited?

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 09:22

No, seriously. Where's the evidence that I ever got recruited?

Well gee, I dunno "Jedi Knight". How'd you manage to use Force Cloak?

naut

05-11-2010, 09:26

I see you have time to respond to the case made against you, so why don't you do that? :beam: It's only been three hours.
Because it's so hilariously wrong that there is no point, but to just look and laugh. Or write songs:

There's holes in your arguement, dear Pizza, dear Pizza
There's holes in your arguement, dear Pizza, dear Pizza
There's holes in your arguement.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 09:29

Well gee, I dunno "Jedi Knight". How'd you manage to use Force Cloak?
I rolled super-lucky in the Random.org lotto. Sigurd said so himself.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 09:35

I rolled super-lucky in the Random.org lotto. Sigurd said so himself.

What a coincidence! Sigurd told me you were a Sith lord.

Qui Gon made a final statement before he went: "We lost a Jedi Master and a Padawan last night. I am happy to announce that Jorus C'baoth has been promoted to Jedi Master. I would also like to announce that Streen has been promoted to Padawan. Congratulations!!!!"

We lost a Padawan and one of our Jedi Knights last night. I will therefore promote Sifo-Dyas to the rank of Padawan. I would also like to promote Streen to Jedi Knight, you have been showing great progress lately. Congratulations to the both of you!!!

Oh Psychonaut, you rascal.

Because it's so hilariously wrong that there is no point, but to just look and laugh. Or write songs:

There's holes in your arguement, dear Pizza, dear Pizza
There's holes in your arguement, dear Pizza, dear Pizza
There's holes in your arguement.

So many holes, so many holes, and not a logical defense in sight. What a shame, you should be able to overturn such a fragile case with ease. I guess you must be "too busy" at work.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 09:44

I'm still waiting for the evidence that I got recruited.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 09:55

I rolled super-lucky in the Random.org lotto. Sigurd said so himself.

Such a shame you neglected to tell the proven, dead townie Chaotix about your awesome new power, Streen. So here you admit that you have Force Cloak, and you used it last night... skipping ahead in class, were you? Or were you getting trained on the side by your new master? I find it interesting that you're both so obviously Sith, but one is acting dumbfoundingly scummy, and the other one is trying to play head games. You both really want Subotan lynched, don't you? Or you'd just sith back and let what will happen, happen.

I'm still waiting for the evidence that I got recruited.

Sure, you lied by omission about a Master-level power you're not supposed to even have, neglected to tell Chaotix about this awesome power, and used it on a night you knew you would be vigilante attacked, but since there's no direct recruitment evidence, I guess we have to let you go.

But, Subotan, if you're innocent, then.... you must know Master Obi-Wan is guilty. Because pever was blocked, and by Psychonaut's logic, that means he must be innocent, or else Psychonaut himself is a suspect. :wink: So therefore it is me and Psychonaut, and the townies are screaming at you to vote for him, and your defense is: "But but but but you can't prove I got recruited!"

So what, are you arguing that you are the Sith Lord? Do tell me what your story actually is, because I'm having trouble making sense of it. :idea2:

You admit you have powers beyond Jedi Knight which you shouldn't legally have, and neglected to tell the dead, proven Jedi about. Powers which the Sith would need in order to survive this game, because they hide from investigation far better than Force Stealth does. Your defense is that you are the Sith Lord, and we should vote for you? That way Psychonaut can live? Or is it the opposite, you're innocent, and the host just *slaps forehead* plumb forgot to mention you're a Jedi Master, so therefore me and Psycho are guilty? Or is it pevergreen who is guilty?

Pick a story, because I like hearing stories.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 10:07

I vistied the holocron the night before last, and I wanted to try out my new power. The thought of telling Dead Master Yoda just never crossed my mind. The fact that you announced that you were going to give an investigated townie his "medicine", it was clear it was in our best interests for me to hide from your Sith-ish ways.

People are screaming at me to vote for Psycho? Like who? I don't see anyone who wishes this "apprentice" to vote for Psychonaut.

And I think you're scum. It's clear that you're attempting to mess with the towns voting strategy to clear yourself, you Darth Scum you. You also have absolutely no information, not even a date, of the time when I was recruited. You're making stuff up as you go along, and it's showing.

Vote:ATPG

Andres

05-11-2010, 10:08

I think it's Psychonaut.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 10:29

I really don't know why you're arguing with me, gentlemen. (Or, in the case of Psychonaut, throwing in the towel while simultaneously arguing "it's too easy! That's why I can't do it!") Perhaps you just want to stare at my awesome sexy body for a few moments longer. Here you go, fellas.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/575px-Young_Nomi.jpg

But whatever the reason is, of 5 people alive, 2 are Sith, and every townie knows that he not one of them. So, you have 4 people to pick from.

*Diamondeye, who is still alive, (and you know, the only one who could have possibly roleblocked pevergreen, and who was recently roleblocked by Sith) was out roleblocking pevergreen. So uhhhh he's not the Sith. And if you believe pever got roleblocked then he weren't out killin' last night, or else you admit Psychonaut has no defense.

*pevergreen- see above on Diamondeye.

*Askthepizzaguy. Now, I know I'm not Sith. But you can keep trying to convince me of such. It will work, eventually, I promise. Pinky swear!

:laugh4:

So..... who does that leave, that you could possibly convince others to vote for? If not Pizza, If not Diamondeye, if not pever, and if not yourself.... why that leaves *gasp* either Psychonaut (if you're Subotan) or Subotan (if you're Psychonaut)!!! Yikes! Gee you'd better place a vote on that guy.

I vistied the holocron the night before last, and I wanted to try out my new power. The thought of telling Dead Master Yoda just never crossed my mind. The fact that you announced that you were going to give an investigated townie his "medicine", it was clear it was in our best interests for me to hide from your Sith-ish ways.

LOL @ "Investigated townie". Actually, to be fair, the whole thing is hilarious.

In a game with
Force Stealth (a Knight ability which is garbage)
Force Cloak (a master-level ability which seems designed to fool investigations and other night actions, one you're not allowed to have, "Knight")

Means your "investigated townie" wasn't investigated properly. :tongue:

People are screaming at me to vote for Psycho? Like who? I don't see anyone who wishes this "apprentice" to vote for Psychonaut.

:laugh:

And I think you're scum. It's clear that you're attempting to mess with the towns voting strategy to clear yourself, you Darth Scum you. You also have absolutely no information, not even a date

I've got a date with you tonight, my sweet dark prince. :mellow:

of the time when I was recruited. You're making stuff up as you go along, and it's showing.

Powerful stuff. I'm moved.... deeply. No, wait, that was a bowel movement.

Your argument makes me want to go poopy.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 10:34

Fluff fluff fluff fluff fluff.

Once again, you fail to produce any evidence that I am Sith other than "Hey Guys, trust me! I'm always town!".

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 10:42

Once again, you fail to produce any evidence that I am Sith other than "Hey Guys, trust me! I'm always town!".

You're right, I must always be mafia, good point. :beam:

Ah! But there are two of "us". :thinking:

So, who is my Sith partner? Mmmm? Oh please tell me, I must knows this. I will write it down in my magical book of lies and faerie tales and pixie dust.

:stupido:

Niklas

05-11-2010, 10:50

Force Stealth (a Knight ability which is garbage)
Force Cloak (a master-level ability which seems designed to fool investigations and other night actions, one you're not allowed to have, "Knight")
Force Stealth allows the hiding of alignment and abilities from scans. I didn't have this ability, which proved my ultimate downfall. ~:(
Force Cloak allows the hiding of your person, making anything that targets you find nothing at all. I had this ability, but I didn't use it since it was obvious that Qui-Gon not finding me at all would be just as damning as Qui-Gon scanning me and finding the Dark Side in me. I gambled that his investigation would prove inconclusive, but alas.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 10:52

Unvote: Subotan, Vote: Pyschonaut

1. Subotan is annoying me with his attitude, so if pyscho makes it ends quicker, good.
2. Pyscho is annoying me with his attempt to throw it off and the fact that Origin is coming up.
3. ATPG is annoying me with his big posts.
4. I don't like Pyschonauts name.

Husar

05-11-2010, 11:04

I'm expecting that the town loses now.

I'd say let's stick to lynching Psycho and if we're wrong, we're wrong, all this arguing is becoming very boring. :sweatdrop:

TinCow

05-11-2010, 11:55

Yeesh... ATPG, you're trying to hard. When it comes down to it, this is all you need:

1) Psychnaut has been revealed for 10 night rounds and never attacked, even though he has publicly claimed Doctor for at least 3 of those.
2) I attacked Psychonaut last night and Obi-wan does not show up in a separate night attack: therefore he is one of the Sith I was fighting.

Simple, don't give yourself a headache by arguing with the mafia.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 11:56

You're right, I must always be mafia, good point. :beam:

Ah! But there are two of "us". :thinking:

So, who is my Sith partner? Mmmm? Oh please tell me, I must knows this. I will write it down in my magical book of lies and faerie tales and pixie dust.

:stupido:
You're the only Sith left, obviously.

1. Subotan is annoying me with his attitude, so if pyscho makes it ends quicker, good.

HEY I CALL YOU pevergreen NOW

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 12:10

First time I've seen you do it. Keep it up for a while and I'll agree that you are on the road towards redemption.

naut

05-11-2010, 12:16

:laugh4:

This is hilarious.

Andres

05-11-2010, 12:42

2) I attacked Psychonaut last night and Obi-wan does not show up in a separate night attack: therefore he is one of the Sith I was fighting.

This is all the evidence we need.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 13:15

Yeesh... ATPG, you're trying to hard. When it comes down to it, this is all you need:

I think I'm just disorganized. I know there's relevant information inside my head, but I just throw everything but the kitchen sink at them until something sticks. You get them talking and then they say self-destructive things like:

You're the only Sith left, obviously.

Where Subotan is admitting he's a Sith lord, plus that earlier "really lucky" lottery comment. It's useful to get confessions, even when you're pretty sure.

Psychonaut never bothers to respond to the entire case, (or anyone else besides me) so he just picks out a bit here and a piece here that he can attack, hoping that discrediting one tiny piece of the case causes everything else to fall apart. In so doing, he also admits that he cannot respond to the rest of the accusation. Then he doesn't vote or bother accusing anyone of being mafia, so that's as good as a confession as well. I realize there's some temptation to give up and laugh it off when you lose as townie, but most respond to direct questioning that should be simple enough to answer. So yeah, those two facts are the most damning and there's no rebuttal to them. His silence on the matter is the same as an admission of guilt.

Try as I might, I can never just focus on the one or two seemingly irrefutable pieces of facts, I also add examples of scummy behavior, seemingly contradictory statements, convenient coincidences, and information-gaining questions that townies should be able and willing to answer. I guess my brain takes more wiring just to keep up with everyone else, and some of the wires are redundant so it ends up being a mess.

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:21

Pizza, I get the feeling that you're talking far, far too much for a townie now; your point has been made, post-after-post, why continue with the WIFOM and such?

As Husar said, there's no need now.

naut

05-11-2010, 13:22

Pizza, I get the feeling that you're talking far, far too much for a townie now; your point has been made, post-after-post, why continue with the WIFOM and such?.
That's what the Pizza does, fill up pages with WIFOM. ~;p

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:24

Subotan

05-11-2010, 13:27

Where Subotan is admitting he's a Sith lord, plus that earlier "really lucky" lottery comment. It's useful to get confessions, even when you're pretty sure/
You're not sure, ATPG, you're in denial, intentionally or not.

Try as I might, I can never just focus on the one or two seemingly irrefutable pieces of facts, I also add examples of scummy behavior, seemingly contradictory statements, convenient coincidences, and information-gaining questions that townies should be able and willing to answer. I guess my brain takes more wiring just to keep up with everyone else, and some of the wires are redundant so it ends up being a mess.
Seems more like a bowl of pasta than a pizza.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:28

Try as I might, I can never just focus on the one or two seemingly irrefutable pieces of facts, I also add examples of scummy behavior, seemingly contradictory statements, convenient coincidences, and information-gaining questions that townies should be able and willing to answer. I guess my brain takes more wiring just to keep up with everyone else, and some of the wires are redundant so it ends up being a mess.

Oh, the responses you're getting out of them are definitely further evidence of their guilt... but it's preaching to the choir at this point. Mafioso don't throw themselves at your mercy and beg for forgiveness, and all the rest of us are already voting according to the evidence (Master Psycho first, then Apprentice Subotan).

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:30

Pizza's continued posting beyond the point where it's required reminds me of a few previous games and serves only to put a specific, Pizza-engineered scenario in my mind that he's more than capable of coming up with and that the town could easily fall for.

I don't like it, and the living town shouldn't either.

If Subotan was town, he wouldn't be claiming there was only one living Sith (two are shown in the write-up) and he would be voting for Psycho.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 13:30

Further evidence? I have yet to see one tiny iota of evidence that I was ever recruited!

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:32

Further evidence? I have yet to see one tiny iota of evidence that I was ever recruited!

You are a Jedi Knight and you used a Jedi Master ability last night. It's in the write-up.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 13:33

@ Secura-

Maybe it would remind you of situations where we've been oh so sure about when someone is guilty (Centurion1, for example) but we failed to ask the right questions.

If there was even a sliver of doubt about Psychonaut's guilt, he should have been answering those questions.

But if my being thorough and not wanting to blow the game based on overlooking one small detail makes me scummy, I have good news: It's 8:30 AM and I am going to sleep. Worry all you want, but Subotan confessed and the case on Psycho is exactly what Tincow said, and Psycho can't answer basic questions. So, I've done my job and put the required amount of thoroughness into it, and my work is done. I'm sorry if that's bad to you.

Good mor/night.

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:38

If Subotan was town, he wouldn't be claiming there was only one living Sith (two are shown in the write-up) and he would be voting for Psycho.

I'm fully aware of that discrepancy, yes...

However, you know full-well how capable Pizza is at playing the town (Shadow Fort, anyone?), and I think we have to wonder exactly why and how he's survived this long too; Sasaki was killed quite early on, why not Pizza too? His WIFOM doesn't help the town one iota and he's going to be a constant threat to the mafia in terms of his analysis... so how is he still alive?

Also, there's nothing indicative that he hasn't been recruited just as there's nothing concrete that states Subotan has.

I have no doubts on Psychonaut's guilt, every single issue raised against him has been concrete, really... but when it comes to Pizza or Subotan, I have to say that the jury isn't out in my opinion.

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:41

You are a Jedi Knight and you used a Jedi Master ability last night. It's in the write-up.

That shouldn't be something indicative of guilt; I recall that you all lambasted Beskar for what you all saw as discrepancies in his claims about the holocrons... Subotan could have gotten lucky in the same manner.

Worry all you want, but Subotan confessed.

Sorry... at what point did Subotan confess?

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:41

I'm fully aware of that discrepancy, yes...

However, you know full-well how capable Pizza is at playing the town (Shadow Fort, anyone?), and I think we have to wonder exactly why and how he's survived this long too; Sasaki was killed quite early on, why not Pizza too? His WIFOM doesn't help the town one iota and he's going to be a constant threat to the mafia in terms of his analysis... so how is he still alive?

Also, there's nothing indicative that he hasn't been recruited just as there's nothing concrete that states Subotan has.

I have no doubts on Psychonaut's guilt, every single issue raised against him has been concrete, really... but when it comes to Pizza or Subotan, I have to say that the jury isn't out in my opinion.

Regarding ATPG, he's still alive because he's been lynchbait from the moment he was revealed as susceptible to conversion. He is the perfect person for the mafia to keep around to the last round.

Regarding Subotan, like I said, he is a Jedi Knight and used a Jedi Master ability (Force Cloak) last night. I don't think it gets more solid than that.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:42

That shouldn't be something indicative of guilt; I recall that you all lambasted Beskar for what you all saw as discrepancies in his claims about the holocrons... Subotan could have gotten lucky in the same manner.

That's not a discrepancy... Jedi do not get powers above the rank of their role. That's how the game works.

atheotes

05-11-2010, 13:43

Vote: Psychonaut

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:43

I get the feeling that you're being played, to be honest.

naut

05-11-2010, 13:44

I get the feeling that you're being played, to be honest.
All the way up the garden path.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:45

I get the feeling that you're being played, to be honest.

Please explain how Subotan's use of a Jedi Master power when he is only a Jedi Knight makes ATPG scum.

Subotan

05-11-2010, 13:49

I quote:

You scored double in the force lottery, but most of the abilities you got you already had. But at least you hindered another to get abilities.

Scored twice in the force lottery again!! Amazing Luck!!
By the time of the second, I already had all the knight abilities, so he gave me a random Knight one, Force Cloak. I was bored of not being able to do anything at night, so I tried it out.

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:52

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Subotan

Psychonaut is going to be lynched for this phase, right?

Let's look at the remaining two people alongside Pizza/Subotan; we have pevergreen and Diamondeye. I don't think anyone's going to be able to successfully take down Qui-Gon Jinn now (it took two to take down a Grand Master last time), so it's likely that pevergreen will be killed during the night, leaving Pizza, Subo and Diamondeye alive, with Niklas, TinCow, atheotes and Chaotix able to vote.

It's obvious that Subotan will vote for Pizza and vice versa... so the remaining five people have the deciding votes, right? As things currently stand, Pizza has essentially encouraged everyone to lynch Subotan, and that's the most likely outcome; I wouldn't be surprised if it's unanimous against Subo to be honest. Which would mean town victory... or would it?

What if Pizza is mafia and the arguing with Psychonaut is staged? I direct you to The Revenge of Inishmore! game where Pizza and TinCow were allied and staged their arguments to confuse and mislead the town to great effect; what if Pizza and Psychonaut were employing such a tactic now, which you have all fallen for?

Consider it, that's all I'm saying; this isn't as open-and-shut as you all think.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:54

By the time of the second, I already had all the knight abilities, so he gave me a random Knight one, Force Cloak. I was bored of not being able to do anything at night, so I tried it out.

You just 'tried out' the most powerful defensive ability in the game? If you were a townie, you would have used it intentionally, not casually.

You do realize your failure to vote for Psycho even now has ruined any attempt you might have otherwise made to blend in. You should have jumped fully on the Psycho case when it was posted.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:56

What if Pizza is mafia and the arguing with Psychonaut is staged? I direct you to The Revenge of Inishmore! game where Pizza and TinCow were allied and staged their arguments to confuse and mislead the town to great effect; what if Pizza and Psychonaut were employing such a tactic now, which you have all fallen for?

Consider it, that's all I'm saying; this isn't as open-and-shut as you all think.

Then present evidence that ATPG is the last Sith instead of Subotan. Simply saying that ATPG is a good player isn't enough at this point.

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:56

Please explain how Subotan's use of a Jedi Master power when he is only a Jedi Knight makes ATPG scum.

How do we know he didn't just recieve it from Sigurd? You assume too much by game rules which are, by all means, malleable.

Pizza has appeared scummy all game, you said as such yourself; but what if Subotan's being set-up as the fall guy because of something out of his own control? Both you and Pizza did the very same thing to myself and Niklas in Inishmore, setting the pair of us up as scapegoats for your actions and using reasons beyond our control (my own conversion back to town, for example) as reasoning for your arguments.

Think about it, TinCow.

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 13:57

Sorry... at what point did Subotan confess?

This round, he's done the following:

1. Admitted he had a master-level power he shouldn't legally have, and used it last night to avoid being vig-killed or investigated.
2. Failed to vote for Psychonaut or accuse anyone of anything substantive, or even declare who my supposed partner was.
3. While so doing, he knowingly stated the falsehood that there is only one Sith left. He knows there was two in the writeup.

He's not being serious and he's not even bothering to put on a mask and pretend to agree with any part of the case on Psychonaut. His actions are the actions of a Sith who is caught out and losing the game, or attempting to make us think he is (WIFOM). Either way, at this time the evidence favors Psychonaut as master due to his early game lies and shennanigans and early reveal of himself as both Master and Obi-Wan, with no Sith ever attacking him. It's unlikely Obi-wan gets recruited, he's either the Sith Lord or he isn't. Subotan's character on the other hand was force sensitive and could easily have turned to the dark side, given his dislike for other beings. He's probably susceptible, and given his behavior this round, it's a confession of his intentions to be an unhelpful distraction. That's admission of guilt.

The consensus is that Psychonaut goes first, then Subotan, based on all this.

What if Pizza is mafia and the arguing with Psychonaut is staged?

Math. If three Sith are currently alive, plus a fourth, you lose. They could easily destroy all the remaining living townies tonight. This round is meaningless then.

Plus rule of two.

Plus Subotan's nonsense.

Now stop asking me questions or else I will just keep answering them! Good night already!

Secura

05-11-2010, 13:57

You should have jumped fully on the Psycho case when it was posted.

Like Pizza did, right?

TinCow

05-11-2010, 13:59

Like Pizza did, right?

ATPG was THE leading advocate for lynching Psycho a couple days ago. Psycho only survived ATPG's assault because of my stubbornness. Not exactly the work of Psycho's partner.

In any case, jumping on the Psycho case isn't proof of guilt... it's the failure to do so that is proof of guilt.

Secura

05-11-2010, 14:00

Pizza, I don't doubt that Psychonaut is one of the remaining Sith, and nor do I dispute the fact that the Rule of Two is being utilised; I've stood by the RoT from the beginning of the game!

What I dispute is that Subotan is his scum buddy; I think there's reasonable cause for you being the recruit.

I'm fine with being wrong about this, but I felt it was an outcome that had to be considered anyway; if I'm correct and I've been ignored, so be it... at least I considered every avenue and tried my best.

Secura

05-11-2010, 14:07

Subotan

05-11-2010, 14:11

You just 'tried out' the most powerful defensive ability in the game? If you were a townie, you would have used it intentionally, not casually.
Instead of just sitting there, twiddling my thumbs? Since I know I am a townie, an ability that stops me from dying during the night is hardly the work of a Sith Lord.

Then present evidence that ATPG is the last Sith instead of Subotan. Simply saying that ATPG is a good player isn't enough at this point.
(His recruitability + my lack of recruitability)*lack of evidence that I have been recruited = ATPG is Sith

Simply saying that ATPG is a good player isn't enough at this point.
Pff. Had I done that, you qould have used that as "evidence" that I was bandwagoning, and therefore scum.

Pizza Wall of text
One crucial point missing there is any evidence that I have been recruited. Funny that, eh?

ATPG was THE leading advocate for lynching Psycho a couple days ago. Psycho only survived ATPG's assault because of my stubbornness. Not exactly the work of Psycho's partner.
You know as well as I do that ATPG could have easily faked such a desire to see him lynched.

Secura

05-11-2010, 14:15

It would be funny if we're all wrong and the Sith is Diamondeye or pevergreen.

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 14:29

It would be funny if we're all wrong and the Sith is pevergreen.

You've got no idea how much I'm laughing.

Renata

05-11-2010, 14:30

But it isn't.

Edit: pever, you're not helping.

Secura

05-11-2010, 14:31

You've got no idea how much I'm laughing.

:curtain:

TinCow

05-11-2010, 14:39

Instead of just sitting there, twiddling my thumbs? Since I know I am a townie, an ability that stops me from dying during the night is hardly the work of a Sith Lord.

You missed the point entirely. You specifically said you wanted to "try out" the power:

I wanted to try out my new power.

I was bored of not being able to do anything at night, so I tried it out.

'Trying out' a power indicates a casual intent, not a calculated decision. It is a phrase someone uses when they want to discount their responsibility for an action. There is no reason for a townie to waffle on using a power like that, because it is very clearly marked in the role PM as an extremelly powerful defense. It would be a no-brainer to use it when trying to survive a Sith attack, and your failure to realize that is evidence that you are hiding something.

Your second comment is particularly telling: you used it out of 'boredom.' That makes no sense at all. The power would be used intentionally, not just because there was nothing left to do. Boredom? Really? This is probably one of the most interesting end-games I've ever seen at the Org, and you claim boredom as a surviving townie with a Master level defense power when you're only a Jedi rank? I don't think so.

Let me make this clear one final time: there is no casual excuse for using a Jedi Master ability as a Jedi Knight. No other person in the game has gotten a power above their rank; you are an abnormality. We know that both Sith have Master rank powers and above based on the powers they use to kill. As of last night, there were only 3 people in the game of Master rank or higher: Me, DE, and Psycho. Obviously DE and I are not scum based on last night, which means that one of the Sith was using a power above his rank. You're the only person in the game who has ever shown a power above their rank.

(His recruitability + my lack of recruitability)*lack of evidence that I have been recruited = ATPG is Sith

You keep focusing on this bit ad nauseum:

This is a complete lie. When did I get recruited?

No, seriously. Where's the evidence that I ever got recruited?

I'm still waiting for the evidence that I got recruited.

You also have absolutely no information, not even a date, of the time when I was recruited. You're making stuff up as you go along, and it's showing.

Further evidence? I have yet to see one tiny iota of evidence that I was ever recruited!

Why do we need to know when you were recruited? It's been well-accepted that the recruitments don't show up in the write-up for many days now. In fact, we know for sure that they don't show up because there were 2 Sith last night and we never saw a recruitment. Your only defense is to ask for evidence of the one thing that we all know will never be shown?

You're the only Sith left, obviously.

Justify this statement as a townie, btw.

Secura

05-11-2010, 14:43

Justify this statement as a townie, btw.

I do agree with this statement.

pevergreen

05-11-2010, 15:03

Edit: pever, you're not helping.

Who says I'm trying to. :beam:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 15:14

One of pizza's scummier habits is trying to prove that he's town when he is actually town.

Renata

05-11-2010, 15:25

Tell me about it. Makes you want to lynch him just so you can shut up your brain from finding all the loopholes in his "proof".

atheotes

05-11-2010, 15:28

One of pizza's scummier habits is trying to prove that he's town when he is actually town.

Tell me about it. Makes you want to lynch him just so you can shut up your brain from finding all the loopholes in his "proof".

QFT :yes:

TinCow

05-11-2010, 15:42

Subotan has been under pressure before. Let's review how he reacted back then. I won't bother with examining his behavior during Psycho's early pressure round (when he revealed) as we know that was before anyone was recruited. Post-Niklas-lynch posts are the only ones that are useful for analysis to find a relationship between the current Master/Apprentice.

Pressure on Subotan began on D13 with this vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483079&viewfull=1#post2483079) and this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483089&viewfull=1#post2483089) by ATPG. Subotan replies with this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483169&viewfull=1#post2483169), which is immaculately prepared and constructed off the forums with Microsoft Word. Subotan admits he put a lot of time and effort into that reply (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483332&viewfull=1#post2483332):

I admit, I did spend a lot of time polishing it. Rolling your head on the keyboard as a defence against Pizza is not a good strategy to keep yourself from being lynched.

If it wasn't a good defense then, why has Subotan made such a poor showing for himself here? He's even claimed that there's only one Sith alive, despite the write-up blatantly showing two and having one of the Sith call the other one his apprentice. Subotan's reaction to pressure is wildly inconsistent.

Worth noting that both Psychonaut and Niklas voted for Subotan that round. However, Psychonaut voted at the height of the bandwagon (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483247&viewfull=1#post2483247) when Subotan appeared to be the likely lynch, and did not return to the thread after that point until the write-up was over. Niklas voted at the last moment with full knowledge of the accurate tally (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483431&viewfull=1#post2483431), so he knew his vote wouldn't lynch Subotan.

Note this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2482032#post2482032) by Subotan as well, in which he says

@Tincow

Take a look at how Barrison was killed

Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.

At the time Subotan posted that, there was not a single post in the entire game which stated which rank could use it. He had no reason to believe that Lighting was a Knight rank ability, but he still said it. For the record, Force Lighting is a Jedi Master level ability, not a Knight level. Note that at the time he made that comment, Subotan was a Knight due to promotion after N11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2481793&viewfull=1#post2481793). Thus, Subotan's statement is consistent with someone with the cover role of Knight who knows he can use Force Lightning as a Sith. This fits with his use of the Master-level Force Cloak last night, despite still being a Knight.

Pressure started mounting on Psycho on D14 with this post by ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484201&viewfull=1#post2484201), which, incidentally, uses one of the main points about Psycho which is about to get Psycho lynched (lack of night attacks on him). Subotan votes for Cent1 early (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484075&viewfull=1#post2484075), before pressure starts on Psycho. He then goes to sleep (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484213&viewfull=1#post2484213), about 10 minutes after ATPG launched his case against Psycho but before it gets any traction. By the time he posts again, I've already launched my full-scale defense of Psycho. Subotan's first post-sleep post sides with me saying that Psycho doesn't look guilty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484527&viewfull=1#post2484527) and then backs up it with a strong attack on Cent1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2484572&viewfull=1#post2484572).

Note again the level of analysis and effort Subotan is putting into his posts. Contrast those with Subotan's behavior today. He is no longer acting like he's trying to find the Sith, he's acting like someone whose essentially given up and is just making a show of arguing. Why would townie-Subotan cease with his strong analysis-based posts at this point in the game?

Niklas

05-11-2010, 15:45

Will it make you feel better if I say that the innocents have no chance to win whatsoever?

Oh, and TinCow, Force Lightning is a Master level ability. As is Force Cloak.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 15:47

Oh, and TinCow, Force Lightning is a Master level ability. As is Force Cloak.

I'm well aware, I had them both after all.

atheotes

05-11-2010, 15:47

Will it make you feel better if I say that the innocents have no chance to win whatsoever?

Oh, and TinCow, Force Lightning is a Master level ability. As is Force Cloak.

So who has Force Breath?

TinCow

05-11-2010, 15:49

So who has Force Breath?

Padawan rank, I had that too.

atheotes

05-11-2010, 15:53

I'm well aware, I had them both after all.

i must be lamest Jedi Master of all :laugh4:
Apart from Force Ghost - all i had was Force Push (Padawan ability) and Force Stealth (Jedi Knight ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Force_Stealth.png

atheotes

05-11-2010, 15:53

Padawan rank, I had that too.

I was asking Niklas, who out of Psycho and his apprentice had Force Breath :grin:

TinCow

05-11-2010, 15:55

i must be lamest Jedi Master of all :laugh4:
Apart from Force Ghost - all i had was Force Push (Padawan ability) and Force Stealth (Jedi Knight ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Force_Stealth.png

I had three visits to the holocron (gained 3 + 3 + 1 on visits), plus Sigurd awarded me Force Protection as a bonus for accidentally revealing my role in-thread in one of the write-ups. This was my final list:

Breath Control (Padawan ability)
Force Speed (Padawan ability)
Force Grip (Jedi Knight ability)
Force Stealth (Jedi Knight ability)
Force Protect (Jedi Knight ability)
Force Cloak (Jedi Master ability)
Force Lightening (Jedi Master ability)
Force Ghost (Jedi Master ability)

Secura

05-11-2010, 15:56

Will it make you feel better if I say that the innocents have no chance to win whatsoever?

:sleeping:

Jog on, meanie. :P

Renata

05-11-2010, 16:03

Even if it's true, I'd consider it some sort of victory to figure it out. This really has been an interesting game.

Husar

05-11-2010, 16:22

naut

05-11-2010, 16:29

Then the game is already over, is it not?

pevergreen will die during the night... and then there will be five definite votes (Diamond, Pizza, TC, atheotes, Chaotix) against Subotan, one against Pizza (Subo).

No matter what happens, Pizza is going to come out a winner; the same cannot be said for the remaining players.
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Renata

05-11-2010, 16:29

Subotan probably can't -- Diamondeye took lynch-survival from him when he was investigated a few nights back, so Subotan would need at least some amount of luck to have picked it up again since then. Psychonaut may or may not have it -- DE found nothing upon investigation, but a) we don't know to what extent the Sith Lord can hide things like that, and b) it's been much longer since Psycho was investigated (more time for lucky holocron visits).

If Psycho can't be lynched, probably we do lose, but oh well them's the breaks.

I don't suppose there's any point to lynching Subo first and trying an all-out block/vig/everything on Psycho tonight? Anyone want to discuss this in private? I'm having a hard time working through it in my head.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 16:44

naut

05-11-2010, 16:58

No point in trying to block either of them. They both have Force Cloak and can avoid night blocks. There's also no point in worrying about whether either of them have lynch immunity because there's no way for us to figure that out before the end of the round. In any case, we have to lynch the Master here or he will just recruit ATPG and that will be game over. Master has to go first, then Apprentice.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

It's all too much. :laugh4: It's hilarious, it's like watching the one kid at school who doesn't realise his fly is open and walks around all day with it open, and then gets home and checks, and realises.

Renata

05-11-2010, 17:01

Well. That's just making me more convinced you actually can be lynched. If you couldn't, you wouldn't gloat about it *now*, when we might still change our minds and send a Grand-master, a Master and a Knight at you tonight.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 17:26

It's all too much. :laugh4: It's hilarious, it's like watching the one kid at school who doesn't realise his fly is open and walks around all day with it open, and then gets home and checks, and realises.

It's always hilarious when, at the end of the game you've been trying so hard to win that you spent hours on wookiepedia figuring out player names, the mafia fool the town into lynching you.

Chaotix

05-11-2010, 18:23

It's always hilarious when, at the end of the game you've been trying so hard to win that you spent hours on wookiepedia figuring out player names, the mafia fool the town into lynching you.

Does that mean you're on Psychonaut's side of the argument?

What would you do if you were in our position right now, Sasaki?

Diamondeye

05-11-2010, 18:28

I was about to mention that there is a roughly 80-90% chance that both of the remaining Sith can survive one lynch.
We might still win if the remaining townies kept their eyes and ears open during self-defence class but that seems rather unlikely.

80-90? I know there's a chance but in my opinion it's not that large. And the town will be defending itself tonight, since attacking is useless.

Does that mean you're on Psychonaut's side of the argument?

What would you do if you were in our position right now, Sasaki?

I would like to hear the answer to this aswell.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 18:32

Does that mean you're on Psychonaut's side of the argument?

What would you do if you were in our position right now, Sasaki?

I was being sarcastic :beam:

Diana Abnoba

05-11-2010, 18:41

Town stay on track- lynch Psyconaut today!!! Subotan next!!

TinCow

05-11-2010, 18:50

Tally:
Psychonaut: 6 (DE, TinCow, ATPG, Chaotix, pevergreen, atheotes)
ATPG: 1 (Subotan)

Not Voting: 2 (Psychonaut, Niklas)

Like I said, Force Ghost is the best ability ever.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2010, 19:12

Yeah, half the people voting him are dead jedi.

Sigurd

05-11-2010, 22:03

voting closed...

Sigurd

05-11-2010, 22:49

Round 16

Night

The crew was waiting for the arrival of Grand Master Qui Gon Jinn. They had swiftly put a candidate to the tally and nearly all had voted in unison. Qui Gon was still looking a bit haggard after receiving two doses of Morichro on subsequent night; that stuff wasn’t particularly good for you health. He took a long look at the tally and finally smiled. “I think you have chosen correctly. Would Master Kenobi please come forward.” Obi Wan Kenobi looked surprised at being called. Qui Gon continued: “I have had the fortune to know you a while Ben, but this comes as an extreme disappointment. You have been caught lying about yourself and your Master abilities; and you have stayed allusive in the hunt for the Sith. I believe you are one Ben…or should I say; Darth Ruin!!”
Ben Kenobi just laughed: “Hahahhahhaahh… you think you have caught a Sith do you? This is laughable at best.” Qui-Gon hesitated a little. This was not the reaction that he expected of an exposed Sith. While Obi Wan stated his tirade about how stupid this was, a light formed at the centre of the auditorium. The form of Belth Allusis appeared and he pointed an accusing finger at Obi Wan. “That is the person who attacked me yesterday and the day before that. He is the Sith Lord.”
Obi Wan Kenobi hissed and the irises of his eyes turned amber as hatred washed up in him toward the gathered Jedi. Obi Wan produced a crimson lightsabre in a fraction of a second and it was ignited and on the way to cut Qui-Gon down. The new Master was ready for something like this and stepped up with an outstretched hand and flung Obi Wan or Darth Ruin as Qui-Gon had named him, backwards. Qui-Gon was likewise ready and he too used his force push and added to the Master’s momentum. Obi Wan Kenobi hit the back wall with a large thud and fell to the floor unconscious.
Several lightsabres in the hues of green, yellow and blue sprang to life as Jedi Knights and Master encircled Obi Wan Kenobi.
There were not much fight left in him and he was dragged out into the hangar where they promptly disposed of him out through the space barrier. The dead body was retrieved and put together with the others in the morgue.

The ethereal beings of Belth Allusis, Yoda and Kenth Hamner stod in the hangar and nodded approvingly.
A 4th ethereal being appeared and it was the late Darth Nihl, who came gloating. He simply laughed at them before disappearing again.

Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1 orders in by 22:00 GMT+1 in about (22 hours)

Tally:

Psychonaut: 6 (ATPG, atheotes, Chaotix, Diamondeye, pever, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Subotan)

Not voting: 2 (Niklas, Psycho)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Centurion1
Psychonaut

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
TinCow

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
TinCow

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
pevergreen
Subotan

Diamondeye

05-11-2010, 22:59

Success!

Now, we have only one culprit left to root out...

I am leaving for Sweden (and no net) in roughly 14-15 hrs and will be gone for several days. This means that I will, sadly, not be able to vote during the next day phase.
I'm sad that I am forced to leave the game at this crucial stage, and I hope it will not do anything to change what's looking like a final town comeback.
I will be sending in night-orders tonight, myself. Tomorrow, if Subotan is still alive, I know that I will place my vote against him.

However, this game has proven full of surprises already. If these next two phases are not enough to win the game for the town, I offer up my role to a dead townsperson (not ghost) to take over. I am thinking of Andres, but since he is in the process of hosting his own large game, he may be unavailable. In that case, I would prefer Renata.

This is all providing that the Game Master allows it, of course.

TinCow

05-11-2010, 23:07

Psychonaut, you played a superb game. Despite the lynch, it was one of the best performances I think I've ever seen. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

05-11-2010, 23:31

Indeed. Good game Psychonaut. Sorry I had to be one of your accusers, I know how annoying that can be.

2 Sith started the game with cover roles. In my opinion any recruited Jedi would simply be fallen Jedi with a new name. So Streen would become Darth something, but retain the Streen role. IMO we got both starting Sith. If that is the case, the game would seem to be broken if both starting Sith are dead and they could still recruit. Then you would have needed to get rid of all Sith susceptible characters like myself.

Or, there is one other option, which I'll cover privately.

atheotes

05-11-2010, 23:42

well played Psychonaut :bow:

I think we need to look at all possibilities and cover our bases for the night...there is still work to be done. Perhaps it should be discussed in private.
People to be left out of the discussion - pever and Subotan (for sure), ATPG maybe (though i am 99% sure he is town - he could still get recruited...we dont know how it works)

Choxorn

05-12-2010, 01:09

You have fought well, Psychonaut, worthy of recognition in the archives of the Jedi Order, but now, it is finished.

Renata

05-12-2010, 01:25

Happy ...

Chaotix

05-12-2010, 02:55

As annoyed as I am for giving him a pass this whole time (I distinctly remember ignoring the comments about not trusting him just because "he's Obi-Wan" :ashamed:), I'm glad we actually did catch him befor it was too late. Given the voting today... there's no chance Subotan is innocent. He both accused proven townies and voted against us.

naut

05-12-2010, 03:13

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 03:16

:laugh4: Nope, it's too late. :laugh4:

The more laughing smiley faces someone uses, the worse their position generally is.

I don't see Sigurd letting this round and this lynch happen if you've already won and it is "too late".

Did you know a Jedi's life is full of personal sacrifice?

naut

05-12-2010, 03:30

I don't see Sigurd letting this round and this lynch happen if you've already won and it is "too late".
You'll see what I mean soon enough. :grin:

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 03:57

You'll see what I mean soon enough. :grin:

It's not hard to guess, Psychonaut. You'll attempt a recruitment. You do know we can vigilante kill, right?

Acting confident is different from being confident. If you truly were confident, you wouldn't be saying anything.

Diana Abnoba

05-12-2010, 05:05

Yeah!!! Now get Subotan!!

naut

05-12-2010, 06:32

It's not hard to guess, Psychonaut. You'll attempt a recruitment. You do know we can vigilante kill, right?

Acting confident is different from being confident. If you truly were confident, you wouldn't be saying anything.
I am truly confident. I'm enjoying bugging you all. Do you think if I wasn't confident I would have let you lynch me so easily yesterday? It'd take a freak set of events for anything other than the result I am expecting. As you aren't privy to the way Sigurd has set up this game you'll just have to wait and see. :grin:

Beskar

05-12-2010, 07:06

I know, but Choatix killed me. :cry:

Husar

05-12-2010, 07:10

I am truly confident. I'm enjoying bugging you all. Do you think if I wasn't confident I would have let you lynch me so easily yesterday? It'd take a freak set of events for anything other than the result I am expecting. As you aren't privy to the way Sigurd has set up this game you'll just have to wait and see. :grin:

So that means we'll have to lynch Pevergreen or Diamondeye after all?

pevergreen

05-12-2010, 07:13

I am truly confident. I'm enjoying bugging you all. Do you think if I wasn't confident I would have let you lynch me so easily yesterday? It'd take a freak set of events for anything other than the result I am expecting. As you aren't privy to the way Sigurd has set up this game you'll just have to wait and see. :grin:

Pfft. At least try to be classy like GH does when he is mafia after death.

Or screw around with the town more like I did in PSM.

Poor effort Pyscho. :no:

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 07:31

I am truly confident. I'm enjoying bugging you all. Do you think if I wasn't confident I would have let you lynch me so easily yesterday?

Yeah you wouldn't have been able to stop us, darling.

Hugs n' kisses, baby!

Subotan

05-12-2010, 08:57

The more laughing smiley faces someone uses, the worse their position generally is.

No, you genuinely have no idea how far you are up Poop Creek without a paddle.

Husar

05-12-2010, 09:35

No, you genuinely have no idea how far you are up Poop Creek without a paddle.

Well, now that's a confession that makes me wish I hadn't sent a PM around yesterday because it is now useless.
Not so unexpected, you haven't caught much suspicion until the end of the game, I wouldn't even be surprised if you are the Sith Master and Psycho was just a recruit.
You hid rather well in that labyrinth of text, I give you that, although it doesn't look too hard with the townies tearing eachother apart all the time. ~;)

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 10:48

No, you genuinely have no idea how far you are up Poop Creek without a paddle.

Yeah?

You guys are so full of it. If we were so royally boned, that we couldn't possibly beat your bare behinds tonight, then you could just say what your plan is, and there's nothing we could do about it.

Instead, it's more of the same bluffs and vague nonsense that got your friend lynched in the first place. How'd that work out, by the way?

So obviously we can still win the game. :tongue2: And since there's only so many moves you could possibly make, we're aware of all of them, doodz.

pevergreen

05-12-2010, 11:09

Yeah?

You guys are so full of it. If we were so royally boned, that we couldn't possibly beat your bare behinds tonight, then you could just say what your plan is, and there's nothing we could do about it.

Instead, it's more of the same bluffs and vague nonsense that got your friend lynched in the first place. How'd that work out, by the way?

So obviously we can still win the game. :tongue2: And since there's only so many moves you could possibly make, we're aware of all of them, doodz.

That makes me want to dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJS5n-mKbw

TinCow

05-12-2010, 12:00

No, you genuinely have no idea how far you are up Poop Creek without a paddle.

Well, thanks for confirming yet again that you're on Psycho's team.

Subotan

05-12-2010, 12:05

On Psycho's team?

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 12:41

I have an idea, we could :laugh4: back and forth at each other, or we could save the :laugh4: until someone has actually won the game.

Ya know, cause losing after all that fake laughter would just.... I dunno.... feel like sitting on a lightsaber and turning it on. :clown:

:tongue2:

Subotan

05-12-2010, 12:43

I'm just laughing at stuff I knoew to be wrong.

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 12:45

I'm just laughing at stuff I knoew to be wrong.

:laugh4:

So anyways. How about a truce, where we refrain from taunting each other, and wait until the round ends and let the republic credits fall where they may.

Andres

05-12-2010, 13:22

I want to know how this ends :mean:

The thing is, evil Sigurd knows we want to know, so he'll probably make a fake ending or three first.

Bad Sigurd :mean:

pevergreen

05-12-2010, 13:42

I want to know how this ends :mean:

The thing is, evil Sigurd knows we want to know, so he'll probably make a fake ending or three first.

Bad Sigurd :mean:

Hopes this is not a dig towards him? He doubts it though, as no one really cared how it ended...

Askthepizzaguy

05-12-2010, 13:44

Hopes this is not a dig towards him? He doubts it though, as no one really cared how it ended...

More likely a reference to other games. You're not even a pioneer of it, really. General got you covered there.

edit: at Sigurd below

I shall not believe your ending until the game has been over for at least 1 month.

Sigurd

05-12-2010, 13:45

:sneaky:

Subotan

05-12-2010, 13:55

:laugh4:

:shame:

So anyways. How about a truce, where we refrain from taunting each other, and wait until the round ends and let the republic credits fall where they may.

Alright, truce.

Andres

05-12-2010, 13:58

I think he will post the real ending and then he'll wait to make another post at the .Org for about a week, enjoying how we will be in doubt to know if it's the real ending or a fake one.

TinCow

05-12-2010, 14:17

The false ending is an evil tradition and it needs to be exterminated.

pevergreen

05-12-2010, 14:41

The false ending is an evil tradition and it needs to be exterminated.

I think I did overuse it. Should be very infrequent, and only in very vanilla games, when the town has no idea.

Andres

05-12-2010, 15:13

I never needed to do fake endings, my games were always already awesome enough as they were :snobby:

You can now collectively bow for your master.

Husar

05-12-2010, 15:33

:bow: Sigurd :bow:

Niklas

05-12-2010, 15:40

Hopes this is not a dig towards him? He doubts it though, as no one really cared how it ended...
The fake endings were very fitting for your game, and quite awesome too. Here, not so much.

pevergreen

05-12-2010, 16:12

The fake endings were very fitting for your game, and quite awesome too. Here, not so much.

The were all possible as well.

Anyway, bed time for pever, class in several hours.

Sigurd

05-13-2010, 00:04

Round 16

Day

Streen was in a hurry again and moved fast down the hallways near his cabin. He could sense he was being followed… again. What did this person want? Streen hurried along the shadows of the hallway and took at the next intersection a hallway leading away from his cabin. The person following him was still on his tale as if he sensed where he was. Streen stopped and backed into a small depression in the wall and vanished. The person following Streen finally caught up to the place Streen had vanished. The person looked around as if having just lost the bearings of the one being tracked. The person cursed: “Not again!!” And stalked back the way the person had come.

Qui-Gon returned to his cabin from a previous engagement when he felt a danger nearby and backed into an alcove near the door of his cabin and vanished. From the opposite direction came a cloaked being with burning amber eyes. The being looked up and down the hallway as if it expecting someone there but couldn’t see them. From the opposite direction around a corner came another dark and cloaked being, but this one was holding an ignited crimson lightsabre. The cloaked being halted as if it had expected someone there around the corner other than the other cloaked being.
They looked at each other with frustration. Their prey had escaped. They walked back down the hallway a bit when suddenly the first of the cloaked beings turned. Amber glowing eyes filled with utter hatred looked back the way they had left and cursed. The cloaked being crouched as a feline about to jump a prey and released a blast wave of the force. Qui-Gon still hiding in the shadows reacted by gathering force unto himself and released it toward the torrent that was heading his way. But his force Push was nothing against the Force Destruction that the Dark Lord of the Sith had unleashed in his direction. Qui-Gon was caught unprepared in the force full destructive wave which tore apart the entire section of the quarters. The wave punched a hole in the ship side the size of an AT-AT Walker and Qui Gon with the debris of most of the cabins in the path of the Sith’s onslaught was sucked out into space. Qui-Gon was unconscious from being thrown through several walls and couldn’t utilize his breath control and suffered death in the cold space.

The morning meeting only had 3 people. They looked at each other worrying about the absence of Qui-Gon their Grand Master. Suddenly a light appeared and an ethereal being materialized. It was Qui-Gon… The ethereal version of Qui-Gon announced: I have been murdered. This means you are a Grand Master short. I will put Nomi Sunrider in my seat. Do well Nomi, because this is your last chance.

And by that the ethereal being moved to the side. Several other ethereal beings appeared:
Yoda, Kenth Hamner and Belth Allusis appeared and stood next to Qui-Gon. Another being appeared: Darth Nihl came and stood grinning on the opposite side of them.

Nomi Sunrider who now held the mantle of the Grand Master declared: “Let the voting begin.”

Voting ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Tomorrow Thursday the 13th of May (in 22 hours)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Centurion1
Psychonaut

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
TinCow
Diamondeye

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
TinCow
Diamondeye

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
pevergreen
Subotan

TinCow

05-13-2010, 00:18

So much for the Rule of Two.

Vote: Subotan

atheotes

05-13-2010, 00:20

:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:
:wall::wall::wall::wall:
:speechless::speechless::speechless::speechless:

Niklas

05-13-2010, 00:20

vote: Subotan

atheotes

05-13-2010, 00:22

Force push? isnt that a padawan level ability?

Vote: Subotan

TinCow

05-13-2010, 00:33

I'm going to guess that one of those killers was Niklas or Psycho killing while dead. Otherwise, this makes no sense. If there are 2 Sith alive and only 1 town, the game should be over. It doesn't seem fair to the Sith to force the game to keep going when the town is nothing more than a bunch of Force Ghosts. The 2 Sith would just jump the last Jedi and be done with it. Also, there were 2 Sith 2 nights ago, we lynched 1 yesterday, and there were 2 more again last night. There was no time for another recruitment to occur. :shrug:

[edit] Yeah, I'm going to say that was Niklas using Force Destruction. The write-up specifically said it was the Dark Lord of the Sith, and we know Niklas used the handle "Dark Lord" in the QT. At the same time, Niklas is a Force Ghost, and Wookieepedia says that Sith Force Ghosts could interact with their surroundings (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost), and Exar Kun is cited as doing all kinds of nasty things while a Force Ghost.

Askthepizzaguy

05-13-2010, 01:09

I believe that could be the case, Tincow.

Vote: Subotan

vote: Subotan

And so much WIFOM.

Niklas

05-13-2010, 01:16

No WIFOM, he's a Sith alright. Just lynch him already.

Chaotix

05-13-2010, 01:16

Vote: Subotan

We've already had admissions of guilt; there's no chance he's innocent.

If pever or ATPG have been converted, then it's already too late. But if that were the case, then this game would have ended already.

Renata

05-13-2010, 01:17

I guess I'm replacing the late lamented Diamondeye,so

vote:Subotan

Has to be done regardless, right?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-13-2010, 01:22

So, it was possible that they could get 2 kills? That was the plan?

Renata

05-13-2010, 01:24

Diamondeye said something at one point about there possibly being a way to get around Force Cloak -- I assume that was it. Assistance from the dead, probably a one shot.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-13-2010, 01:26

So if town wins, it was by dice roll...

Askthepizzaguy

05-13-2010, 01:34

If two living Sith there are, pointless is this vote. This means the Sith could get into position of outnumbering the Jedi and still lose the game. Given Force Destruction, that's impossible here. If the round is legitimate, then there is only one move. Sigurd himself pointed to a Rule of Two, with an offical, Sigurd-created image to back that up. That means Niklas was an original Sith. I believe that Psychonaut is probably the other. Which means Subotan is the recruit, and given that two Sith here win the game, Subotan is still the Sith to lynch.

If there were some ridiculous scenario where pevergreen was also a Sith, that would mean either there is no point in this vote, or that we have to lynch the correct Sith. Given who was Sith yesterday, that means whichever is the more dangerous and experienced Sith, and who probably has the most abilities. Defeating Subotan likely means that even if pever were somehow a convert, he wouldn't have the abilities necessary to defeat me. I'd just outvote him with the force ghosts and defend myself at night better than he can attack.

So, obvious move is obvious. If Subotan has Force Breath, this round would be meaningless once again, because we cannot drain that power from him at night.