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Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 22:24
Let's lynch TheFlax, we don't want a repeat of yesterday.
The bad thing about these last minute massive bandwagons is that they:
1) could easily lynch a power role without giving them a chance to claim
2) make those involved look scummy
3) make the person saved look scummy
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 22:25
And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.
I'm always online, as in, I leave my firefox browser with me logged on all day long even if I'm not here or I'm sleeping. Unless for some reason my computer crashes or I decide to turn it off for one night, I'll always appear in an online list, no matter the time of the day.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the online status works, I've never cared much about it. Though I've never said I wasn't online, I just though my name in the list was as much proof as saying someone is in invisible mode, turns out I was wrong. Alright. Looking at the timestamp of Sigurd's message concerning orders, I can say that at that time and for an hour after that I was at home and on the org. How I can prove I actually wasn't up to something nefarious during that time, I have no idea.
I don't like this. He immediately jumped to an excuse rather then just coming out and admitting he was online. Vote: TheFlax.
Ok.. this is my 30 minute last call to vote notice.
Let's lynch TheFlax, we don't want a repeat of yesterday.
The bad thing about these last minute massive bandwagons is that they:
1) could easily lynch a power role without giving them a chance to claim
2) make those involved look scummy
3) make the person saved look scummy
4) Scares Sasaki :wiseguy:
And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.
It also causes the town to be more inclined to remove the last minute wagoners rather then go after the mafia.
Lynching me is not so bad, I'm Dhidal Nyz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dhidal_Nyz), an initiate, what I believe is the lowest rank for a townie. Farewell and good luck town.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 22:32
And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.
If the town agreed on using random.org to decide, it would also be impossible for scum to prevent. One doesn't cast out scumhunting for randomness.
The last person almost saved by a last minute wagon was psychonaut (who almost got a pro town role lynched instead), and the last scum to try and prevent a wagon on a buddy was chaotix, who got lynched because his attempt at prevention seemed scummy.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 22:32
It also causes the town to be more inclined to remove the last minute wagoners rather then go after the mafia.
Bah, that never solves anything. :beam:
I think Sasaki is mafia, he has not even tried to convict some one of scum yet.
Guys, you are aware that AVSM has not made a single post in this thread yet, right?
Guys, you are aware that AVSM has not made a single post in this thread yet, right?
Hence why he will be getting wogged in 2 minutes.
I would be more worried if AVSM was active.
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 23:07
I believe too many people are going on pressure votes. One person says to get Flax, and now Flax is on the verge of being lynched. And, I for one don't see why Flax is being targeted, especially since he's done nothing scummy this whole game.
The reason I voted Pizza is that he seems to be trying to kill off Beskar. I could be wrong, but for this round he just seems suspicious.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 23:08
The reason I voted Pizza is that he seems to be trying to kill off Beskar. I could be wrong, but for this round he just seems suspicious.
Could you possibly be mistaking me for someone else?
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 23:20
Could you possibly be mistaking me for someone else?
I could be very well be.
What I do believe is that none of the first time players are the murderors. Reason being is that this is a big game that Sigurd has been cooking up. Why would he place trust in making one of the noobs the murderor? They wouldn't have a clue who to kill off, and it would be complete randomness. Sigurd has been promoting this game so much that I don't think he would give the power of murder to an unexperienced player.
But once again, that's just my opinion.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 23:27
Belisarius...you are somewhat suspicious.
Belisarius...you are somewhat suspicious.
Agreed.
Also, combined with the fact the Sith have been making a lot of "new player" mistakes as well, sort of sinks your boat in the water.
What I do believe is that none of the first time players are the murderors. Reason being is that this is a big game that Sigurd has been cooking up. Why would he place trust in making one of the noobs the murderor? They wouldn't have a clue who to kill off, and it would be complete randomness. Sigurd has been promoting this game so much that I don't think he would give the power of murder to an unexperienced player.
I think that's a little harsh; what do you define as a "noob"?
Are you judging this by post count? The time they've been at the Org? The fact you've never seen them before?
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 23:30
*sigh*
And how is that?
EDIT: just saw your post Secura. I define noob as in me. Noob, newbie, new player, new guy. They all mean a person that has no experience in something he is doing for the first time. This is my first time playing a Mafia game. I didn't mean for any insult.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 23:33
Heh heh heh... I think Belisarius has stepped in it, but I'd be more inclined to believe he's innocent at this point. I believe the odds are quite high he would have a more experienced partner to advise him to avoid making such mistakes, no offense Belisarius.
You clearly have the wrong guy, I've been Beskar's biggest don't-lynch-him-a-second-time advocate.
Also, usually who is the mafia is totally random. I doubt Sigurd plays favorites with his roles.
Well this begs the rather more important question, what do you mean by experience?
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 23:37
I believe that Sigurd doesn't play favorites either, it's just I don't see him giving the murderer position to a first time player.
EDIT: We posted at the same time Subotan. I don't understand your question. First time players have not played a Mafia game and therefore wouldn't have any experience at it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 23:42
I believe that Sigurd doesn't play favorites either, it's just I don't see him giving the murderer position to a first time player.
That's sort of the same thing, though, isn't it?
Well, I could go through his previous games and look for examples of such, if you'd like. I honestly don't recall offhand because he's not one to host very often.
In my experience, in almost every game or every other game, "newer players" (those with lower post counts or less experience playing mafia, or newbies to the .org) end up getting important roles. Whenever you find new players, they seem to have an equal chance of such. One of the best ways to encourage newer players to stick around is to treat them equally and bless them with important roles rather than give them out to the usual suspects.
I'd hate to play a game where the host denies important roles to newer players, because then those important roles are easier to identify and that makes the game less challenging.
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 23:44
But I couldn't see him giving the newer players the most powerful role.
Round 4
Night
The auditorium doors opened with a bang and in strode the expedition leader.
Before anyone could announce the results of today’s voting, he announced:
“I have an announcement… I have been meditating on what is haunting this ship. There is only one answer that comes to me.”
The expedition leader paused and took a deep breath. “We are dealing with the Sith.”
Some of the older and more experienced Jedi shifted uncomfortably on their chairs, the Knights coughed hiding mirth and the Padawans and Initiates had a question mark written all over their face.
One Jedi Master replied: “Excuse me, Master … but the Sith is only ancient myth. Surely there must be another explanation.”
The other Masters nodded approvingly. The expedition leader looked into the eyes of each of his audience and continued: “I can’t explain all that has happened to me, to us, in the days spent onboard, but I have rediscovered profound truths about our heritage; The Jedi religion.
Many watched with disbelief at the little man standing there at the center of the floor in front of the seated auditorium. A very few however looked thoughtful and nodded, but just enough to not be noticed.
He was spouting heresies towards the scientific ways of the Jedi. The Jedi was beyond religion.
The expedition leader continued: ”I believe the Sith are here among us, in this very room. You need to find them before they destroy all of us. If I hadn’t thought this ship was very important for the Jedi and the universe, we would already be on our way back to Coruscant on the boarding craft. I believe if we returned now – the Sith would come with us and there would be another Empire ruling our Republic in a not too distant future.
We need to stay put and root out this evil that has befallen us. And we need to find them fast. They are gaining in strength every day they get to roam free.”
“Ok… what have you got for me?”
The Jedi member with the tally stepped hesitantly forward with today’s voting tally.
The expedition leader took one look at it and continued: “It seems you have picked a clear candidate. Will someone please apprehend Dhidal Nyz?”
A couple of Knights encircled Dhidal who looked resigned. I guess it doesn’t help to say that I am innocent? The expedition leader looked at Dhidal with stern eyes: “Not really. We have to do this democratically. If you couldn’t convince these that you were innocent during the interrogation, they will not listen to you now.
The execution went as it did yesterday. Dhidal went peacefully and the recovered body was laid in a casket and put in the morgue.
We have a new prioritized task people, in addition to getting this ship powered up and ready to go, we need to root out the Sith infestation of this ship. Watch each other for signs of unfriendliness and unpleasantries. The Sith feed on hate and strife, the Jedi for compassion and peace. The distinction should be easy to notice.
It is night people. Remember that I should get more than one pro-town order this round.
The Sith's missing orders have not and will not be announced publicly.
Deadline 00:00 GMT+1 Monday 19th of April (roughly 24 hours from now).
Tally
TheFlax: 6 (Joooray, Methos, Sasaki, TheFlax, TinCow, Winston)
Belisarius II: 3 (Andres, Centurion1, Diamondeye)
GeneralHankerchief: 3 (ATPG, Beskar, johnhugh)
Beskar: 2 (GH, pever)
Thermal: 1 (atheotes)
atheotes: 1 (autolycus)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Belisarius)
Joooray: 1 (Chaotix)
Lord Winter: 1 (Diana)
Secura: 1 (Niklas)
Sasaki: 1 (Renata)
A Very Super Marked: 1 (Subotan)
not voting: 11 (AVSM, Greyblades, Jolt, Kage, Lord W, Psycho, Secura, Thermal, WE:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Belisarius II
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Methos
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Clearly not Sith, but Dhidal Nyz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dhidal_Nyz) does not sound like a role that would be good for the Jedi. I think we did well here.
But I couldn't see him giving the newer players the most powerful role.
You'd be surprised at how often a first-time player is a mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2010, 00:19
It is night people. Remember that I should get more than one pro-town order this round.
The Sith's missing orders have not and will not be announced publicly.
:sweatdrop:
Wait, that means... Thermal Mercury is Mafia?
He says he sent in an order, and I know I am pro-town I sent in an order...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2010, 00:29
Wait, that means... Thermal Mercury is Mafia?
He says he sent in an order, and I know I am pro-town I sent in an order...
Did he say he sent one in before the announcement in the thread by Sigurd?
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 00:32
We have a new prioritized task people, in addition to getting this ship powered up and ready to go, we need to root out the Sith infestation of this ship. Watch each other for signs of unfriendliness and unpleasantries. The Sith feed on hate and strife, the Jedi for compassion and peace. The distinction should be easy to notice.
Lol.. According to this most people here are Sith's then! :laugh4:
Did he say he sent one in before the announcement in the thread by Sigurd?
He said this just after Sigurd's announcement:
30 minutes left and I have only received one order.
I'm the only one who bothered? :uhoh:
I originally dismissed it as a joke, because I presumed Sigurd meant both town and mafia, and since I sent in my order (like I already sent my order in now), it would mean if TM did send in his order, he would have done a Sith order.
Hence why he will be getting wogged in 2 minutes.
I would be more worried if AVSM was active.
:brood:
EDIT: We posted at the same time Subotan. I don't understand your question. First time players have not played a Mafia game and therefore wouldn't have any experience at it.
I was talking to ATPG, as he mentioned "experience" as opposed to "noobs" , as if it was some black/white thing.
Lol.. According to this most people here are Sith's then! :laugh4:
According to that, GeneralHankerchief is mafia for causing Strife, while I want to bring Peace.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2010, 00:34
He said this just after Sigurd's announcement:
:bounce:
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 00:36
According to that, GeneralHankerchief is mafia for causing Strife, while I want to bring Peace.
He said this just after Sigurd's announcement:
In that case people should lynch GH and TM.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2010, 00:38
No, I think Sigurd's comment about the Sith and strife was just a general reminder to keep it pleasant.
I believe too many people are going on pressure votes. One person says to get Flax, and now Flax is on the verge of being lynched. And, I for one don't see why Flax is being targeted, especially since he's done nothing scummy this whole game.
The reason I voted Pizza is that he seems to be trying to kill off Beskar. I could be wrong, but for this round he just seems suspicious.
Did you miss the whole conversation about Flax's online presence and scummy response to same?
Agreed.
Also, combined with the fact the Sith have been making a lot of "new player" mistakes as well, sort of sinks your boat in the water.
Like what? (What sort of mistakes are you referring to, that is.)
Like what? (What sort of mistakes are you referring to, that is.)
One of them is killing Husar straight away, when this is his first mafia game in a considerable amount of time.
Hardly encourages him to hang around, does it? >.<
Belisarius II
04-18-2010, 02:33
I was talking to ATPG, as he mentioned "experience" as opposed to "noobs" , as if it was some black/white thing.
Oops, my mistake. I was just talking about experience when you posted, so I thought it was directed towards me. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/smilies/gc/gc-embarassed.gif
Like what? (What sort of mistakes are you referring to, that is.)
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One of them is killing Husar straight away, when this is his first mafia game in a considerable amount of time.
Hardly encourages him to hang around, does it? >.<
pevergreen
04-18-2010, 02:45
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Quite a few people go by random.org for the first round, could be Husar just got unlucky.
If it happened multiple games in a row, sure.
You guys werent around when Ultrawar had his string of luck.
Ahh, Beskar, your original thought is the one you should stick with, I was messing about.
I do have some 'mild' evidence of this as one of my posts (way before yours asking about my supposed order) says it is a joke, this one in fact:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471760&viewfull=1#post2471760
Should I have sent in an order, it should still be Beskar's word against mine, yet you've already made your decisions, it would seem.
I noticed what Thermal Mercury said about sending in orders, too.
And it surprised me quite a bit that everybody ignored it and went for silly argumentations of other people instead.
At the very least I would have expected a discussion about whether Beskar or Thermal Mercury was lying or something like that.
And yes, this will be my last mafia game for the next ten years days or so.
If you want to get rid of me you have to try harder, I'm even reading most of this thread, Sigurd deserves as much for putting a lot of effort into the game. :smitten:
Clearly not Sith, but Dhidal Nyz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dhidal_Nyz) does not sound like a role that would be good for the Jedi. I think we did well here.
Looks like a cover role if I'm honest.
Wait, that means... Thermal Mercury is Mafia?
He says he sent in an order, and I know I am pro-town I sent in an order...
You aren't pro-town. You are neutral.
@ Beskar regarding my question: OK.
Regarding Thermal Mercury's post: looked like a joke to me due to the smily. It's everything else he's doing that looks a bit squirrelly.
@ Psychonaut re: Beskar -- Huh?
He's convertible, so he's not as pro-town as he wants us to think.
Askthepizzaguy
04-18-2010, 14:25
How many of us are convertible? I'm pretty sure my top comes down if direct conversion is possible.
Although I'm not sure why I am sure, because it's not in my role PM explicitly, and I've never heard of my character before.
Perhaps the name, and what they did in the Expanded Universe does :shrug:
You aren't pro-town. You are neutral.
No, I am pro-town.
He's convertible, so he's not as pro-town as he wants us to think.
So is Mace Windu and everyone else, after they have killed some one.
pevergreen
04-18-2010, 15:06
So is Mace Windu and everyone else, Jedi Master Dumb Hass.
Be nice, or I'll tell all the people about how incredible you are at Europa Universalis 3.
I'll tell all the people about how incredible you are at Europa Universalis 3.
I liked how Incredible you was. I had to fight off two doomstacks, while your contribution was 2000 men who got killed within the first 5 seconds. You only did anything as you went behind them and took their terrority while I had those two doomstacks assualting me and the AI was too dumb to defend.
No, I am pro-town.
:laugh4:
You aren't fooling anyone Dooku. You are neutral, you know it, I know it, we all know it.
:laugh4:
You aren't fooling anyone Dooku. You are neutral, you know it, I know it, we all know it.
Nope, I am a Jedi Master. Nothing in my role-pm says anything about being neutral.
pevergreen
04-18-2010, 15:31
I liked how Incredible you was. I had to fight off two doomstacks, while your contribution was 2000 men who got killed within the first 5 seconds. You only did anything as you went behind them and took their terrority while I had those two doomstacks assualting me and the AI was too dumb to defend.
Ooooh, someone brought their grumpy pants.
Spoiled for offtopic
As I recall, it was 6000 men, who were assaulted by 16000 enemies and lost, so they retreated rather than take 2 years to get to any strength. Your 19000+ army stood beseiging a single province while I died. You then managed to lose to him when you outnumbered him and started losing territory, I came from behind with 12000 men, leaving my entire kingdom defenceless and took their lands, then wiped out their armies and then helped you against the second aggressors who were going around. I then made peace with them leaving you by that point, with a few thousand men vs none of theirs and 3 provinces to siege. I gifted you everything I took and you just had to fight rebels, my dear friend. 20 or so years in, you're up a number of provinces, I'm up nothing, and I'm poorer for it.
Ooooh, someone brought their grumpy pants.
Yes, because it is getting annoying having to listen to the same lies constantly by people who do not know what they are talking about.
Also, it was 15,000 of my men, which was against a stack of 17,000 and they won due to having lots of cav. They also pulled another 15k out of the blue and I had to keep fighting them off. Then you went at them from behind with like a total of 6k, in little armies of 1k and 2k, laughing at me for having to face doomstacks when I wasn't ready and you started the war. :p
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 16:04
Could you two stop talking about your EU3 game?
PM's and visitor messages are good for that.
So is Mace Windu and everyone else, after they have killed some one.
Not everyone else, because most of us can't kill.
Also, we don't know who Mace Windu is, as he isn't trying to organise the town on the sole basis of "Hey guys I'm unlynchable trust me".
Also, we don't know who Mace Windu is, as he isn't trying to organise the town on the sole basis of "Hey guys I'm unlynchable trust me".
I got a better idea, lets randomly confide in people who haven't been revealed at all, nevermind as a revealed pro-town. Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:
I only suggested myself because, you know, as a revealed pro-town, it makes perfect sense to trust me than anyone else in this game.
For example, you could be a Sith posting that on purpose to cause strife. Do we know that for sure? No we don't but he is far greater chance than you know, from a... "Oh, that is from a revealed pro-town" when it comes from me.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 17:04
You can all reveal to me as well. I am proven townie as you all know.
We shouldn't be confiding in anyone at all who isn't 100% pro-town. Anyone who isn't and suggests that we should be confiding in them alone should be treated with suspicion, as you rightly are.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 17:11
I am 100% pro-town!
The fact that I am dead is not that important :clown:
atheotes
04-18-2010, 17:31
Did Renata reveal as being the benefactor of the force calling (like Baskar) ?
I am not a squirrel :bow:
Observation: I, too am a townie, meatbags.
Extrapolation: Therefore, you can all reveal your roles to me. There is no risk whatsoever.
I like to apologise to everything if you were offended or displeased with my posts. Even though I was getting frustrated by people metagaming me because I am a pro-town and suggested things such as possibly using me to help a town effort, I shouldn't make any remarks/attacks upon them.
So sorry to the players and I apologise to the fantastic host, Sigurd.
Game on.
Statement: I am 110% town aligned. I am also 110% neutral aligned, and 110% mafia aligned.
johnhughthom
04-18-2010, 21:18
I like to apologise to everything if you were offended or displeased with my posts. Even though I was getting frustrated by people metagaming me because I am a pro-town and suggested things such as possibly using me to help a town effort, I shouldn't make any remarks/attacks upon them.
So sorry to the players and I apologise to the fantastic host, Sigurd.
Game on.
I'm not sure I like being called a thing. Definitely a Sith response not to consider other players real people.
Alright people... I got what can be marked down as a full participation.
I have "rolled the dice" and are going to finish the write-up. It could take a while - so I might cut a few corners on the story.
Beefy187
04-18-2010, 23:12
Statement: I am 110% town aligned. I am also 110% neutral aligned, and 110% mafia aligned.
Your Jedi mind trick don't work on me!
Ibn-Khaldun
04-18-2010, 23:30
Your Jedi mind trick don't work on me!
So, you admit being the Sith?
Diana Abnoba
04-18-2010, 23:46
Statement: I am 110% town aligned. I am also 110% neutral aligned, and 110% mafia aligned.
Wow, you are 330% of something, you must be Jabba the hutt!!!! :laugh4:
So, you admit being the Sith?
Jabba the Hutt and Watto were both immune to Jedi Mind Tricks...
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 00:02
Jabba the Hutt and Watto were both immune to Jedi Mind Tricks...
What about Peter the Hutt?
Raja naba dooa goola wookie nipple pinchy
Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2010, 00:04
What about Peter the Hutt?
Raja naba dooa goola wookie nipple pinchy
Okay Sally Struthers. Now give me the food relief, and no one gets hurt.
How about peter the rabbit?
:creep:
Argh!!!!!
I don't believe it... My ISP has malfunctioned or something. There is no internet in the house besides this phone I am writing this on.
I have no idea when it will be fixed and it is passed midnight.
I have no other choice but to extend this phase until I get to work and can post the finished night results.
Sorry about that people.
I am guessing you cannot change orders, right?
I had meetings this morning and I have a few minutes to spare before lunch... Luckily I remembered my memory stick with the writeup ... :beam:
Round 4
Day
Mace Windu the Jedi Master returned to his cabin after a meeting with the expedition leader. The tale the member of the Jedi council told was disturbing to say the least, but Mace knew the truth of it. The Force had been introduced to him as well and the feeling of its embrace had been nearly overwhelming. It was the Sith part which had disturbed him the most. If it was true that the force could not work without both sides, then the revelation of the force could only mean that the Sith had likewise had the force revealed to them.
He … Mace stopped and listened. He could clearly sense someone close, a disturbance, for the lack of a better word. He eased around a corner and saw someone standing there blocking the hallway. It was a personage shrouded in a dark cloak. In the dim to none lighting, it was as if this person’s eyes were glowing with an amber color.
The personage croaked: “Greetings Jedi Master Windu, I hoped it was you… I’ve got something to show you.” And by those words – the cloaked figure raised a hand. Mace Windu felt a overwhelming sensation of being dragged towards the cloaked figure and he sensed that his strength left him rapidly. He reacted without thought and drew what he could muster of the force, and it was hard as if it was leaking out of his very soul.
He released the little he could draw and the cloaked figure was thrown back and slammed as a sack against the far wall. It took only seconds for Mace Windu to recover from the nausea that followed the release of his… soul… for the lack of a better description. Mace looked up at the bundle of cloth that was the cloaked figure and ignited his purple lightsaber. He moved carefully towards the figure and was closing in when the figure with lightening speed jumped up. The cloak had shifted and the face was revealed. Mace looked perplexed: “What, you? How could this be…” That was all he managed before blue lightening streamed out of the fingers of this … Jedi expedition member. Amber eyes of hatred watched behind an electro storm of energy drawn from the very air surrounding them. Mace couldn’t counter the pure electric energy which coursed through his body – destroying organs and cells. He soon lost consciousness and fell to the floor. The killer sent a few extra bursts of electric energy for good measure before he left the crime scene. This didn’t go exactly how he’d planned. But a dead Jedi was a dead Jedi, and by those thoughts a smile returned to his face.
Aayla Secura the initiate had just finished eating her evening supper and was returning to her quarters. She had unsuccessfully flirted with the other young Jedi initates – giving them a good stare of her rather well formed attributes.
They were probably too scared of her to seem interested. She had that predatory way over her that just frightened men. What were they afraid of? That she would use them for her own pleasure? Well… they were probably right. She chuckled to herself as she continued down the dark hallway. Up ahead, someone was blocking the hallway and that someone was cloaked. She was always happy when people stared at her, but this … creature, had her skin crawling. The eyes were glowing amber and pierced her very being. The creature moved his arm and a glowing crimson plasma blade sprang to life in his hand.
Aayla Secura screamed and ran away from the creature in the direction she had come from. The creature cursed and started running after her. She was an agile runner and would probably outdistance him soon. She had to reach help… she had barely voiced those thoughts inside her head before she felt a rush behind her. Something hit her from behind and she was knocked unconscious in mid air before her lifeless body was crushed to pulp against the far wall. The cloaked creature walked the good distance up to her remains and chuckled: “Not so much to look at now, are you?” A rusty laugh could be heard in this part of the living quarters as the cloaked figure retreated back down the hall in the opposite direction.
Count Dooku returned from a previous engagement and was met by a familiar person outside his quarters. “Dooku, we need to talk, let’s enter the privacy of your quarters.” Count Dooku opened the door to his cabin and gestured for the person to enter”.
The person went in and walked over to the living room of this formerly officer’s cabin. He stood there in the middle of the room waiting. Dooku entered: “What was it you wanted to talk to me about?” The person turned around with an accusing stare. “I am sorry, but I have to do this.” And by those words Dooku felt a terrible pain in his mind. He fell to the floor in agony and everything went dark.
Dooku later woke up in his bed with a dried up nose bleed. What had happened to him? And why couldn’t he remember how he got to his cabin?
Somewhere else 2 other members of the Jedi expedition force were meditating.
They had started their usual routine, but were suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into their very being. They heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions they received. The directions led to a special storage area.
When the crew again met at the auditorium the next morning, there were only 30 present. The expedition leader sighed: “We have apparently not been successful in finding the Sith. It was worrying that they were missing one of the Jedi Masters.
He sent out a couple of Knights to check their cabins and when they returned, they just shook their heads. The expedition leader bowed his head a moment before continuing: “Very well, let’s proceed with the interrogations people, We lost a dear member of our team, Master Windu last night. We are short of a Jedi Master. There is one Knight which stands out and should have received the honor already. Kenth Hamner, you have been awarded the rank of Jedi Master.
The former knight bowed slightly and the expedition returned the favour before leaving the auditorium. As he went through the door, let’s hurry up with this people, we are all ready behind schedule, but I’ll give you 24 hours anyway.
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Vote away people. I have to rectify the unplanned extended time somehow. I hope we can do a shorter night in the next round. If we all make an effort to send in orders early I think we can have a 12 hour night in round 5.
Voting ends around this time tomorrow 20th of April.
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Belisarius II
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Double and triple :brood: in fact.
Double and triple :brood: in fact.
:inquisitive:
I say we lynch Beskar today.
Count Dooku returned from a previous engagement and was met by a familiar person outside his quarters.
The only previous engagements that night were the two kills.
Let's get this over with once and for all.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-19-2010, 10:28
Looks like someone stopped Beskar using his powers. Not that it mattered since now we know he is not a Sith.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 10:39
So Methos was Mace Windu and Andres Aayla Secura?
I don't know that that's significant (Methos was referred as meeting with the expedition leader, which almost certainly had no actual in-game import; and it could as easily have been referring to an investigation if it does mean something), but the rest is.
There have been too many coincidences. Only two people knew Methos' identity prior to his death: me, and Niklas. But Beskar suspected, enough to have done the brazen fishing expedition I referred to in comments yesterday, in which he named Methos to me as known to be Mace Windu. I don't think I lied well enough to Beskar to do much but confirm those suspicions. And Secura also was fishing strongly about it, Niklas says.
That's a group of four people who knew or are extremely likely to have suspected that Methos was Mace Windu, and all four also knew about Csargo prior to his death. It's not impossible this is just chance, but it would be stupid to ignore. I want Beskar to say who else he shared his suspicions about Methos with, and also to confirm or deny whether Secura was told.
For now it is a very short list:
Me
Niklas
Beskar
And probably,
Secura.
Who need lynching or investigation. Of the three who are not me, so far from Niklas I am getting good vibes. He's fooled me before, though. Secura is giving me bad vibes mostly: her claim not to have noticed Csargo's comments on MSN (see Niklas' vote of her yesterday) is difficult to believe. Niklas says that Beskar says she's been investigated, but is that a true investigation, or just investigation-by-friendship? And if the former, what are the results that are being learned? And Beskar -- well at this point I just want a full accounting, not only on what I referred to above, but also as regards his night actions so far. He believes I'm innocent? Let him start to act like it.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-19-2010, 10:46
Looks like it.
Edit: This was reply to Kage's question.
Looks like someone stopped Beskar using his powers. Not that it mattered since now we know he is not a Sith.
For all that I still find it hard to account for it if he is -- we do?
Yes, Methos was Mace Windu, which makes Andres Aayla Secura.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 10:51
I dont know whats happening behind the scenes, but apparently a lot.Andres did you have any personal communications with any of the people Renata mentioned in her post? Also Csargo to whom of these you were in contact with?
Namely:
Renata
Niklas
Beskar
Secura.
I confirm everything Renata has said. Only one thing:
And Secura also was fishing strongly about it, Niklas says.
To be fair, "fishing strongly" is perhaps putting too much emotion into it. She asked me about Mace Windu, and about Renata's contact with him, but did not mention Methos by name.
Still, I share Renata's suspicions (or she mine), and would like Beskar and Secura to explain thoroughly their activities and relation, with others and with each other.
Also, who did what to Beskar last night? That person might know more. Please tell what happened, in public or in private.
Also Csargo to whom of these you were in contact with?
Renata
Niklas
Beskar
Secura.
This one is easy, all four of us were present when he mentioned his ability. That said, looking at the logs it appears that Beskar was already aware before that conversation started, meaning Csargo may have had further contact with him prior to that. May or may not mean anything.
Beskar should be lynched for the following reasons:
a) he revealed information to another player at the beginning of the game: suspicious;
b) he knows how to use the Force, he used it to escape death at the first lynch attempt, while it is clear that even the Jedi Masters are just slowly getting in touch with the Force. From how I interpreted the write-ups, it seems to me that the Masters are slowly gaining abilities, but didn't reach the level and competences Count Dooku showed in his lynch write-up;
c) he is Count Dooku; another indication that our friend Beskar is not exactly good;
d) he claims to be "neutral", perfect cover for a mafioso;
e) his very aggressive playstyle is helping to prevent us from lynching him. He probably has been a bit too aggressive, but I know Beskar enough to know that he's not afraid of acting like this if it would save his skin;
f) Beskar will remain a distraction for town for as long as he lives, we need to get it over with so that we can focus more on other things. Lynch him, then look into other players, I suggest Belisarius II and Secura.
g) Strange coincidences in the kill choice, too many Masters dieing and we all know Beskar was in contact with Jedi Masters. Either it's a frame attempt or the "small network" is infested with mafia, most likely Beskar.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 11:32
Maybe Beskar was role blocked somehow? I wonder Beskar were you thinking of making investigations last night? To me Beskar is becoming so obvious lynch bait that he might be innocent afterall. That can be judged in the future by the actual contributions he can do for the town or lack of those which will no doubt cause him to be lynched. Right now im thinking couple variations mafia could have done. The more obvious one is that indeed some player close to Beskar is mafia and he got the info about Methos from Beskies network. Other possibility is that the mafia could be working on discrediting Beskies network by making it look scummy. The second option seems kind of far fetched. Unless other players with knowledge who Mace Windu was will surface.
It's perfectly possible that Beskar is pro-town until he kills, but then he could still work with the mafia, rat out the other jedis and jedi masters, then vig-kill towards the end of the game, join the Sith and enjoy their three-man victory. IF he is lynch-immune until he turns Sith though, that would be a bit of an inconvenience for the town because the only way to win in the above scenario would be to kill the other two Sith prior to his conversion, towards the end there obviously tends to be a lack of townies.
I'm not sure another lynch-attempt now would give any better results than the first, like I said, maybe he only becomes lynchable when he converts, you can give it another try but lynching someone else who is a Sith would be preferable IMO, just too bad that noone knows who is a Sith. :laugh4:
Beskar should be lynched for the following reasons:
a) he revealed information to another player at the beginning of the game: suspicious;
Agreed.
b) he knows how to use the Force, he used it to escape death at the first lynch attempt, while it is clear that even the Jedi Masters are just slowly getting in touch with the Force. From how I interpreted the write-ups, it seems to me that the Masters are slowly gaining abilities, but didn't reach the level and competences Count Dooku showed in his lynch write-up;
This one is largely based on false premises. Beskar's lynch-escape ability is not unique. He claimed to have been called on Night Zero. Methos was called on Night One and received abilities that are almost entirely congruent with what Beskar claims, only (perhaps -- Methos may have misled me) less extensive. (Him wanting me to compare his newfound talents to Beskar's is how Beskar came to know that I knew who Mace Windu was, btw.)
c) he is Count Dooku; another indication that our friend Beskar is not exactly good;
Since I've put myself up as a lynch candidate already anyway, I'm just gong to say flat out that this is a false assumption. The background information for my own character is rife with Sith taint, but I am town.
d) he claims to be "neutral", perfect cover for a mafioso;
He doesn't; in fact, he's denied it up, down and sideways. Others have claimed to believe he is neutral.
e) his very aggressive playstyle is helping to prevent us from lynching him. He probably has been a bit too aggressive, but I know Beskar enough to know that he's not afraid of acting like this if it would save his skin;
Maybe. You might give too little credit to the people who have refused to put his name in bold.
f) Beskar will remain a distraction for town for as long as he lives, we need to get it over with so that we can focus more on other things. Lynch him, then look into other players, I suggest Belisarius II and Secura.
To a large extent this distraction is not his doing, but that of others, which makes it no less true. But I will not lynch someone I think is town without extraordinary reason, and I'm still leaning that way with Beskar. What I'm personally more concerned with is the mafia having left him alive so long *because he has been useful*.
g) Strange coincidences in the kill choice, too many Masters dieing and we all know Beskar was in contact with Jedi Masters. Either it's a frame attempt or the "small network" is infested with mafia, most likely Beskar.
Without knowing exactly how many Masters we began with the sheer numbers don't tell us much. But at a minimum Csargo and Methos -- yes. It has to be considered very likely that Beskar has a serious leak.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 11:48
Well i guess the best way to get people talking is starting bandwagon against them.Vote: Secura. What is your take on the deaths of Csargo and Methos?
And Secura also was fishing strongly about it, Niklas says.
Ummm, what is this about Niklas? Fishing strongly? That's utter carp and you know it... I asked for his thoughts on the matter, that was all, not "LULZ WHO IZ IT NAOW".
That's a group of four people who knew or are extremely likely to have suspected that Methos was Mace Windu
I didn't know that Methos was Mace Windu; I spoke to him last night over MSN regarding Chinese Zodiac and Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and we discussed very little about this game; he can come back later to clarify. Furthermore, Beskar and myself have not discussed this game over the last twenty-four hours or so; he has been in a boastful mood about R&R HoF, and I don't really like talking to him about mafia when that is the case.
Secura is giving me bad vibes mostly: her claim not to have noticed Csargo's comments on MSN (see Niklas' vote of her yesterday) is difficult to believe.
I did genuinely not pay attention to it; I felt the claim was questionable at best and ignored it and at the time I was concerned for Pizza after the... situation he had earlier in the day.
I was also at Beskar's where my full attention is never on a subject at hand; there is a previous game thread where Beskar chatises me in-public because I kept interrupting a game we were playing to check these forums, speaks volumes.
Furthermore, I have a considerable amount of real life worries that take precedence, principally the fact that I'm not currently employed and have a number of debts to pay off before I can even consider completing my degree. There are a multitude of reasons why I glossed over Csargo's claim.
It was only refreshed in my memory when Niklas brought it up; believe it or not, your choice.
Ummm, what is this about Niklas? Fishing strongly? That's utter carp and you know it... I asked for his thoughts on the matter, that was all, not "LULZ WHO IZ IT NAOW".
Indeed, which I also clarified a few posts up. I suggest you read the whole thread before answering.
What is your take on the deaths of Csargo and Methos?
Myself and Beskar had a suspect in mind for the death of Csargo.
As for Methos, I didn't know who he was.
Indeed, which I also clarified a few posts up. I suggest you read the whole thread before answering.
I read your post also, but it doesn't change the fact that it makes it look as though I was poking around asking questions about his identity and such, when that simply wasn't the case.
Oh, I recall what Methos asked me about this game last night; "why is Beskar asking to change his orders?", the answer to which I did not know.
He ceased discussing it after that.
Andres Aayla Secura?
:yes:
He was role-playing a Twi'lek earlier.
Without knowing exactly how many Masters we began with the sheer numbers don't tell us much. But at a minimum Csargo and Methos -- yes. It has to be considered very likely that Beskar has a serious leak.
Or he is the leak himself...
Out of your "group" or "network", who's the one who was most careless with information? That's probably the Sith among you. From how it looks, it seems to be Beskar. It would also make sense for him to already kill off the masters he knows, since it's clear that he'll end up lynched sooner or later; so why restrain from killing known masters to save himself as he's virtually dead already.
@Husar: it's possible that Masters are unlynchable as long as they don't convert, but that has the potential of seriously unbalancing the game in favour of the Sith; work for the Sith for the entire game and convert last minute to be on the winning side. I don't think Sigurd would allow that.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 12:29
It could also be that Beskar made a huge mistake by creating his network while not being Sith. If all the Jedi masters revealed to him, while a Sith made the same thing with faking to be a jedi master. In worst case scenario it could mean the Sith faction knows the identity of all the Jedi masters because of the reckless sharing of information.
I got a ruling from Sigurd that says the dead are allowed to communicate in private. Since I got night killed, I'm confirmed innocent.
I'd like to see some information: role pm's, night actions, pm conversations. Preferably here in the thread, in private if you must. I reserve the right to post the stuff you pm me here in the thread.
Who knew or probably could know that Methos and Csargo were Masters is the information I'm most interested in.
:yes:
He was role-playing a Twi'lek earlier.
He was roleplaying a Twi'lek well, but not Secura... :P
Out of your "group" or "network", who's the one who was most careless with information? That's probably the Sith among you. From how it looks, it seems to be Beskar. It would also make sense for him to already kill off the masters he knows, since it's clear that he'll end up lynched sooner or later; so why restrain from killing known masters to save himself as he's virtually dead already.
I believe that Beskar attempted to scope out the 'leak' last night, but was roleblocked.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 12:33
I got a ruling from Sigurd that says the dead are allowed to communicate in private. Since I got night killed, I'm confirmed innocent.
I'd like to see some information: role pm's, night actions, pm conversations. Preferably here in the thread, in private if you must. I reserve the right to post the stuff you pm me here in the thread.
Who knew or probably could know that Methos and Csargo were Masters is the information I'm most interested in.
If thats the case.It is crucial for Methos and Csargo to reveal your contacts.I think you should do that privately to Andres as going public might give out information that could be usefull to Sith.
He was roleplaying a Twi'lek well, but not Secura... :P
Maybe I was playing your alter ego :wink:
I believe that Beskar attempted to scope out the 'leak' last night, but was roleblocked.
Do you have any idea what this "previous engagement" the write-up mentions is about? It seems to suggest that his night action didn't get blocked... It would be nice to see the content of the pm Beskar received at the end of the night.
And yours', Renata's and Niklas'... And while we're at it, Belisarius II should share some info as well.
Maybe I was playing your alter ego :wink:
:laugh4:
Do you have any idea what this "previous engagement" the write-up mentions is about? It seems to suggest that his night action didn't get blocked...
I have no idea, sorry. It looked like a roleblock to me, though, especially considering the context of conversations over a day ago.
especially considering the context of conversations over a day ago.
I should have elaborated; Beskar informed me that he intended to investigate someone, a target that I agreed with his reasoning for, and requested that I promise not to talk to that target about the game any further, as I had told them something and been scolded for doing so; later in the evening, Beskar randomly messaged me over MSN and requested that I approach the target and inform them that they were subject to investigation that night, but I declined on the basis of the earlier-made promise.
It is possible that Beskar approached this person himself and told them, and that they roleblocked him as a result; this person is also aware of at least Csargo's claims, from what I'm told, and might have been privy to Mace Windu's identity, if Beskar had told 'em that too.
I got a ruling from Sigurd that says the dead are allowed to communicate in private. Since I got night killed, I'm confirmed innocent.
I can't keep quiet about this. We've spent a good deal of energy, both here and in another thread, discussing how townie networks can take all the fun out of a game, and how measures should be induced by the host to make them less powerful. The absence of perfect trust is the most important such thing - yet now you are saying that you as a confirmed innocent intend to do just that?
I will not participate. That is based on personal conviction and a will to not see this otherwise very fun game ruined.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 12:57
I can't keep quiet about this. We've spent a good deal of energy, both here and in another thread, discussing how townie networks can take all the fun out of a game, and how measures should be induced by the host to make them less powerful. The absence of perfect trust is the most important such thing - yet now you are saying that you as a confirmed innocent intend to do just that?
I will not participate. That is based on personal conviction and a will to not see this otherwise very fun game ruined.
As far as i understand in this case the townie network can only be constructed from the killed players safely. So all the network could do would be gathering information and guiding the living based on that intel.That is far from all powerfull.
I can't keep quiet about this. We've spent a good deal of energy, both here and in another thread, discussing how townie networks can take all the fun out of a game, and how measures should be induced by the host to make them less powerful. The absence of perfect trust is the most important such thing - yet now you are saying that you as a confirmed innocent intend to do just that?
I will not participate. That is based on personal conviction and a will to not see this otherwise very fun game ruined.
:embarassed:
That's right. Must have been the dark side in me :shame: Forget about pm'ing me with information; it would be a game breaker.
:shame:
Thank you Andres, that was very strong of you. Massive kudos. :2thumbsup:
As far as i understand in this case the townie network can only be constructed from the killed players safely. So all the network could do would be gathering information and guiding the living based on that intel.That is far from all powerfull.
Meh. What if the dead start organising the thing and give orders? Then we're in a situation no one likes.
That wasn't my intention, I was just looking for pm conversations to read and spot on oddities, but Niklas is right; confirmed innocents in a network, could eventually lead to confirmed innocents pulling the strings, making this game boring.
I guess people will have to post their info in this thread.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 13:23
Well if there is no way to collect data we are back to square one. We only have educated guesses and Beskies network that is clearly dysfunctional and wont share their data to the rest of us.In that case our only option is to kill the entire network to find the Sith amongst them. So as Beskar was the one creating his network why dont we start by resolving the problem from where it originated. Unvote and Vote: Beskar untill you spill out who was the person Secura mentioned who knew of your plans.
Beskar has either gone rogue, or his network is severely compromised due to carelessness. Either way, we're going to get a Sith's head by the end of today.
Vote:Beskar
GeneralHankerchief
04-19-2010, 13:39
Well well well now. Hate to say "I told you so" but... :shrug:
Vote: Beskar
I think you should wait to hear Beskar's suspicions about his investigation target before you start a runaway bandwagon on him.
I agree that Beskar needs to answer more question.
Vote: Beskar
If you want me to remove my vote, you need to list your night actions every night. You claim to have all kinds of powers, including investigation, and yet you have not given us a single word about anything.
I think you should wait to hear Beskar's suspicions about his investigation target before you start a runaway bandwagon on him.
This is bog-standard for early-game pro-town revealers. You get a few days of leeway, but if you don't prove yourself the votes start coming back. Since he revealed early, he has to produce to survive.
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 13:45
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Subotan
I'm no fan of Dooku, but your post bugs me. GH I can understand, TinCow's post is reasonable. Yours however, assumes too much.
I might as well put my money where my mouth currently is and vote: Beskar as well. It's time to talk.
Both of those are the most likely outcomes. Either Beskar has converted, voluntarily or not, or there is a Sith in his network. The only other possibility is that we have a very lucky Sith, which is unlikely.
Diamondeye
04-19-2010, 13:54
I agree with the others. I strongly suspect that Beskar is not pro-town aligned, to the point where I'm willing to risk another failed lynch if he is still immune to the lynch.
Vote: Beskar
Also,
FoS: Niklas, Renata, Secura
For the reasons Renata mentioned herself.
FoS: Everyone on the Beskar Bandwagon excluding TC and GH
Oh, hi, I'm the ticket inspector. Can I see your ticket please, or I'll have to to escort you off the bandwagon.
Ummm, what is this about Niklas? Fishing strongly? That's utter carp and you know it... I asked for his thoughts on the matter, that was all, not "LULZ WHO IZ IT NAOW".
Yikes, back off a tad. Niklas said you were fishing, and he clarified the extent of it just now.
I didn't know that Methos was Mace Windu; I spoke to him last night over MSN regarding Chinese Zodiac and Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and we discussed very little about this game; he can come back later to clarify. Furthermore, Beskar and myself have not discussed this game over the last twenty-four hours or so; he has been in a boastful mood about R&R HoF, and I don't really like talking to him about mafia when that is the case.
I'm sure you didn't know that Methos was Mace Windu, because I don't believe that even Beskar KNEW -- he merely had good reason to suspect. Therefore I'm not really interested in learning whether he told you that Methos was Mace Windu. Rather, I'd like to know if he ever linked that name and that player for you at all. He clearly told you that I knew who Mace Windu was, and there was plenty of evidence in public that Mace Windu was not a plain old townie. Did he ever speculate with you on who Mace Windu might be? Did he ever mention Methos' name at all?
Also, I'm really sorry if you are having any RL difficulties that make this all harder for you, but I can't let that be relevant, can I?
Psycho, who should we be voting for then?
autolycus
04-19-2010, 14:08
vote:Beskar. Beskar, if you tell me what happened last night, I might consider changing this. Right now, if I read Secura's post right, you first told her not to talk to your scan target, then told her to talk to your scan target. Beskar and Secura, I'd also like to know who said target was to help inform our search for the Sith.
Psycho, who should we be voting for then?
The fact this bandwagon is running away at full speed just lets the Sith hide in among everyone. Not really helpful at the moment.
Yikes, back off a tad. Niklas said you were fishing, and he clarified the extent of it just now.
I apologise, it's just really annoying to have to defend myself simply for being associated with Beskar; he's the Master pulling the strings, I'm little more than a vote each round.
Rather, I'd like to know if he ever linked that name and that player for you at all.
I was sat there when you told Beskar that you were in contact with a second Master; I also agreed with your reasoning (and Mace Windu's) for not revealing his identity when Beskar probed for it, which was why I requested Beskar add me to the conversation. I don't believe that you revealed the identity to him and I would have done the same.
Did he ever speculate with you on who Mace Windu might be? Did he ever mention Methos' name at all?
No, he never connected Methos' name to the role of Mace Windu, at least not to me directly. There might be a chance he did so to our suspect, however, but only Beskie himself can clarify that. I think, considering Swords and D20s 3 and Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that he might have guessed Methos was Mace Windu, though.
Also, I'm really sorry if you are having any RL difficulties that make this all harder for you, but I can't let that be relevant, can I?
It's no problem, don't worry about it, that's my job... it was a bit silly of me to even mention it, but I genuinely forgot his claim, because it seemed trivial and there were other things going on at the time.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 14:16
FoS: Everyone on the Beskar Bandwagon excluding TC and GH
Oh, hi, I'm the ticket inspector. Can I see your ticket please, or I'll have to to escort you off the bandwagon.
And what problems you see in my reasoning to vote Beskar?
Beskar and Secura, I'd also like to know who said target was to help inform our search for the Sith.
It was Pizza.
While I don't know the in's and out's of Beskar's reasoning, I do know that, while I was concerned for him when he grew annoyed by the mass of votes on him in the previous round, I was suspicious as to why he reached that point in the first place. I recalled Swords and D20s 3, where Pizza was the main villain, investigated in the first night and promptly killed during the next day phase. Remember that he loathes being metagamed regardless of his role, but the extent of his frustration didn't seem to correlate with him being a simple Initiate.
To add to that, Pizza was present when Csargo made his claim and he stood to claim the greatest benefit when we bandwagonned ACIN in his stead. Also, he is pretty intelligent and good at getting information out of people, and may well have either been told Methos was Mace Windu or figured it out of his own accord.
Diamondeye
04-19-2010, 14:19
FoS: Everyone on the Beskar Bandwagon excluding TC and GH
Oh, hi, I'm the ticket inspector. Can I see your ticket please, or I'll have to to escort you off the bandwagon.
Sure thing, Mister Inspector, it's right here:
FoS: Psycho, GH
And what problems you see in my reasoning to vote Beskar?
:surprised:
You're missing the point. The first couple votes were to get Beskie to prove his investigative ability. Everyone after that point is seeing an opportunity to hide for a round and get to killing again.
I highly doubt that Beskar is permanently unlynchable, especially if he is convertible.
I highly doubt that Beskar is permanently unlynchable, especially if he is convertible.
:huh::huh::huh::huh:
Relevance? Sorry, just really out of context, and confusing to me.
The fact this bandwagon is running away at full speed just lets the Sith hide in among everyone. Not really helpful at the moment.
I agree with this, there are currently enough votes to pressure him to talk. Further votes at this point only risk an in-reversible bandwagon even if his reply is satisfactory. I do not want that.
Unvote: Beskar; Vote: Abstain
Unvoting to try and keep this from becoming irreversible, but moving to abstain because I want the focus to remain on Beskar until he responds.
Or he is the leak himself...
Possibly. The single thing most in his favor right now is, I think, that he was aware that vig-killing could turn one to the Dark Side. (Methos confirmed this.) It appears from the latest write-up that the Sith can also be "called" the way some of the Jedi have been, and gain seemingly legitimate powers in that fashion. However, I'm hard pressed to believe the information about vig killing would be relevant to them -- would Sigurd include it anyway, just because legitimate Jedi would get it? Regardless -- does anyone know anything to suggest Beskar did not learn this from his own PM?
Out of your "group" or "network", who's the one who was most careless with information?
Beskar. He provoked Csargo's reveal. He mentioned he would be investigating a Csargo suspect last night. A few other things possibly, which I can't rule out as having been misdirection. Here's the Csargo chat, by the way:
Csargo Who doesn't want to float around in space?
Secura I get confused ¬_¬
Secura Me!
Secura I don't want to die in the cold vacuum :(
Beskar That reminds me, you might be floating around soon. But I heard you are lynch immune too, Csargo :-O
ATPG Ichigo, you say you want to die
ATPG no powers, then?
Csargo Who said anything about dieing?
Niklas Broberg says (9:13 AM):
Csargo I want to float around out there
Csargo and I was trying to save you from being bandwagoned
Csargo I thought I already told you that Beskar?
Beskar Oh, you did?
That's probably the Sith among you. From how it looks, it seems to be Beskar. It would also make sense for him to already kill off the masters he knows, since it's clear that he'll end up lynched sooner or later; so why restrain from killing known masters to save himself as he's virtually dead already.
Sure, though the same applies even more strongly to anyone who has access to enough of Beskar's information. Make hay while the sun shines, get Beskar lynched when he starts to become a liability, then eventually people get around to lynching you ... maybe.
As regards Beskar's contacts, despite appearances I don't know much about them. I wound up in that quoted convo with Csargo completely by accident, as far as I could tell. Beskar was grabbing almost anyone who came online, it seemed. When Methos revealed to me, he wanted to double-check some information with what Beskar was claiming without exposing himself; that's how Beskar came to know that I knew who Mace Windu was. So I know a fair amount surrounding those two things, but not much else otherwise. I don't know to what extent he truly has what can be claimed to be a pro-town network. At one point he told me even the expedition leader had not revealed to him directly, for instance. And of course Methos hadn't.
:huh::huh::huh::huh:
Relevance? Sorry, just really out of context, and confusing to me.
Whoops, my fault, I thought that by
Everyone after that point is seeing an opportunity to hide for a round and get to killing again.
you meant that there was no point in lynching Beskie, as he would survive this say's lynch. Sorry, I can't think properly when I'm hungry.
Do you have any idea what this "previous engagement" the write-up mentions is about? It seems to suggest that his night action didn't get blocked... It would be nice to see the content of the pm Beskar received at the end of the night.
And yours', Renata's and Niklas'... And while we're at it, Belisarius II should share some info as well.
You seem to be implying by this that you think I have received a night-end PM at some point. I will clarify on that point if you can tell me why it's more worthwhile to the town to reveal such things than it would be to the mafia to learn it.
It would be nice to see the content of the pm Beskar received at the end of the night.
And yours', Renata's and Niklas'.
Revealing orders, if I had any, in-thread would seem foolish, no?
I was sat there when you told Beskar that you were in contact with a second Master; I also agreed with your reasoning (and Mace Windu's) for not revealing his identity when Beskar probed for it, which was why I requested Beskar add me to the conversation.
Right, I had forgotten about that. It seemed as if you were in support of me not giving the name, whereas Beskar was pressing for it.
I don't believe that you revealed the identity to him and I would have done the same.
No, he never connected Methos' name to the role of Mace Windu, at least not to me directly. There might be a chance he did so to our suspect, however, but only Beskie himself can clarify that. I think, considering Swords and D20s 3 and Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that he might have guessed Methos was Mace Windu, though.
Who is "he" in this last sentece? Beskar or your suspect? And how are you getting from those two games to Methos=Mace?
In any case Beskar clearly did link Methos to Mace, or he wouldn't have fished for confirmation in such a brazen way as he did.
This is bog-standard for early-game pro-town revealers. You get a few days of leeway, but if you don't prove yourself the votes start coming back. Since he revealed early, he has to produce to survive.
Indeed. Beskar only has himself to blame. If he turns out to be pro-town, then this should be a lesson for all of us: don't reveal unless it's a) absolutely necessary for your survival; b) if you have gathered intel for town, e.g. conclusive evidence that somebody is mafioso.
Who is "he" in this last sentece? Beskar or your suspect? And how are you getting from those two games to Methos=Mace?
I'm referring to Beskar here; he accurately ascertained the roles of every single player in D20s 3 within a single phase of joining the game, far beyond what the rest of us learned. He also claimed to me privately that he has figured out the R&R game from the very first phase.
In both of these games, he was allied with Methos regardless of alignment; he has a pretty good idea of how he plays and he knows that Methos seems to lean towards trusting you and telling you things. I have made that same assessment in a previous game myself. It isn't too much of a jump for Beskar to believe Methos to be Mace Windu, I think, considering it had to be someone who felt they could confide in you and tell you their role.
In any case Beskar clearly did link Methos to Mace, or he wouldn't have fished for confirmation in such a brazen way as he did.
When did he ask you for confirmation that it was Methos?
Indeed... don't reveal unless it's a) absolutely necessary for your survival
Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.
Vote: Abstain
I have no idea what is going on except that I'm not going to join that "once about pressure" bandwagon on Beskar. I seem to haven ended up in one of those on TheFlax last day phase already.
All in all there is a lot of noise with little substance in my mind so far in the thread. It's funny, although it doesn't seem to be set up with multiple factions like Shadow Fort, there seems to be even more infighting in this game then in the later.
@ Secura -- Yeah, my friendship with Methos isn't exactly a big secret, which is one reason I hope he doesn't choose me as his middleman anymore! (The other reason being that, even given that issue, I still screwed it up.)
Here is Beskar's fishing expedition: (edit to use Beskar's screenname. times US EDT)
4/16/2010 4:24:42 PM Beskar I heard Methos is Mace Windu, is that true?
4/16/2010 4:25:01 PM Renata somebody claiming something they have no knowledge of?
4/16/2010 4:25:18 PM Beskar they are claiming Methos is Mace Windu
4/16/2010 4:25:31 PM Beskar not sure if it is correct or not, but they say they are working with him
4/16/2010 4:25:42 PM Renata i believe that is false
4/16/2010 4:25:51 PM Beskar ok, thank you
4/16/2010 4:25:54 PM Renata yw
4/16/2010 4:28:55 PM Renata who is this person?
4/16/2010 4:29:12 PM Beskar Subotan
4/16/2010 4:29:26 PM Renata why would he lie?
4/16/2010 4:30:17 PM Renata methos says he's not working with subotan in any capacity, btw
4/16/2010 4:30:29 PM Beskar ok
4/16/2010 4:30:40 PM Renata why would subotan lie?
4/16/2010 4:31:03 PM Beskar probably for the lulz
4/16/2010 4:31:18 PM Beskar since I should be able to validate it or not
4/16/2010 4:31:24 PM Beskar according to my claims
4/16/2010 4:31:46 PM Renata it's weird because i do talk to methos
4/16/2010 4:32:30 PM Renata but subotan shouldn't know that i'm your source in order to make such a directed comment
4/16/2010 4:32:49 PM Renata have you told him?
4/16/2010 4:33:02 PM Beskar just said "keep up the good work" rofl
It seemed likely to be a lie from Beskar, because Subotan has no reason to connect me and Methos the way Beskar would have, but I asked Subotan about it, with the result you saw in the thread.
My previous engagement was this:
You walk near to where Askthepizzaguy is without him noticing. You stretch your feelings out and get a reading of him.
- You feel that there is conflict in him. That he is susceptible to the Dark Side of the force.
If you wanted to know. I never touched Methos.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:06
Vote:Pizza
Beskar wagon has enough votes at the moment and I don't have time to sort it out.
fos:beskar, secura, belisarius
-edit-
(vote not based on beskar's post btw)
Diamondeye
04-19-2010, 15:08
Since Psychonaut seems to think it's scummy to be voting Beskar for pressure, I want to make sure that he's understood that my vote's intended to be a "reveal or die" vote. The "die" option seems to be the likely outcome. Which is absolutely fair when you take Beskar's behaviour into account. As Andres said, even if he's protown, it's his own fault.
Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.
Given the circumstances, you did the right thing by giving that info to town.
atheotes
04-19-2010, 15:11
putting aside the MSN conversations for a minute... I believe this is the first time we are seeing a role-block(?) mentioned in the write-up. Is it because this is the first time some one has been role-blocked (or whatever it is)? I dont think some one with that power will have waited for so long to use it. Either it was a newly acquired power or there is more significance to this particular action.
If it was mafia who had dual powers to kill and role-block, we should still have seen this action out to use earlier in the game atleast on Beskar. The only exception is if the scum were aware of Beskar's actions and did not see the need to use it to kind of quasi-validate his innocence.
My previous engagement was this:
If you wanted to know. I never touched Methos.
Can you give the results of all your previous night actions, please.
Funny that your investigation went through, while some think that the thing that happened to you was a role block.
So either you're lying or you didn't get role blocked last night. Any idea what it was, if it wasn't a block?
My previous engagement was this:
And that is what I've been waiting all day for.
vote: Pizza
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:13
Wasn't secura trying to pre-excuse a lack of result or something?
atheotes
04-19-2010, 15:14
Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.
That was a win-win situation even if you were mafia :wink:
atheotes
04-19-2010, 15:16
And that is what I've been waiting all day for.
vote: Pizza
have you seen other investigation results? :inquisitive:
Wasn't secura trying to pre-excuse a lack of result or something?
The write-up seemed to imply a role-block, and Beskar has only just logged onto MSN within the last ten minutes to inform me of his results.
That was a win-win situation even if you were mafia :wink:
That is true, yes, except all it did was make me look scummy; you may lynch me if you believe I'm Sith. :bow:
have you seen other investigation results? :inquisitive:
I knew Beskar intended to investigate Pizza, and stated as such in-thread a few pages back.
He asked what I thought of the target and I agreed it was a good option based upon my own observations of Pizza at the time.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:19
:surprised:
You're missing the point. The first couple votes were to get Beskie to prove his investigative ability. Everyone after that point is seeing an opportunity to hide for a round and get to killing again.
Well that is the standard assumption, which also could be used to defend Beskar. How i see it Beskie is at that Beskar is the top lynch right now and any cold headed mafia wont be scared about couple votes coming his direction. Its the fear of end for their game that makes them do mistakes. Couple pressure votes are nothing but a semantic move to make yourself look productive. Unless Beskar cant clear himself his lynch is the right thing to do and people talking against it make it instantly to my suspect list.
Diamondeye
04-19-2010, 15:20
Right, good to have a single revealed order on the table, but I'm keeping my vote here until we have another three, Beskar. What you've done until now is telling everyone (including the Sith) that Pizza is convertible. Looks to me like dragging him down with you by making him a liability to the town (even if he isn't suspectible to conversion).
Sorry, was going the entire thread. I would like to give some facts out, since everyone has the wrong idea.
There is no pro-town network. Seriously, there isn't. The only way I knew about Mace Windu through Renata, which Renata never told me who it was. Only the person who is above initiate basically was claiming expedition master, Renata (some random padawan) and some one claiming Anakin Skywalker. In these cases I never told anyone who was investigated, their results or revealed any pro-town.
So did the "Pro-town network" fail? The fact there isn't one meant it didn't fail and the fact I told no one identities, means there were no leaking of information, unless people did it themselves.
Last night, I investigated AskthePizzaGuy, this was on reasoning there was meant to be a leak. Csargo claimed to be lynch immune and was night killed, and based on that, and the time thing, left AskthePizzaguy, TheFlax and Niklas as the only ones around. TheFlax was lynched, I investigated ATPG last night. Niklas was claiming he just got home drunk, hence the time problem, hence I went along with it.
As for "role-blocked", I wasn't roleblocked. The Sith tried to convert me, but failed since I haven't killed anyone, thus I am not suspectible. Anyone claiming to have roleblocked me is infact a Sith. These need to be lynched.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:24
So you havent had any personal communications with Methos during the game?
And that is what I've been waiting all day for.
vote: Pizza
:inquisitive: So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?
Also, there are many reasons not for me to be lynched, as I am currently the strongest pro-town role in the game. (according to Sigurd to me in Private)
The reason I posted Pizza's results was no one would believe me otherwise, I am sorry to do that to Pizza, but I had to shut up the detractors.
This bandwagon is motivated by Sith, because they just tried to recruit me and failed, and know this. The other people on this bandwagon are metagamers, because they blame some imaginary pro-town network which doesn't actually exist and want to use me as their target. The rest are most likely confused townies who are simply that, confused.
There is zero reason for the to attempt Jedi to lynch me.
This is pretty much all I am saying on the matter, unless anyone has some constructive questions they would like me to answer. If you have a problem with this request, please take it up with GeneralHankerchief.
:inquisitive: So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?
Beskar is immune to conversion currently; he is not susceptible to the Dark Side until he begins to night-kill, which he states he has not done so thus far.
Counter that with suspicions I've had about Pizza, and my choice is obvious.
:inquisitive: So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?
Beskar says the Sith tried to recruit him, but it failed :shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:29
Let's lynch pizza. I think someone posted a transcript of him rolefishing a while back.
GeneralHankerchief
04-19-2010, 15:29
Also, there are many reasons not for me to be lynched, as I am currently the strongest pro-town role in the game. (according to Sigurd to me in Private)
The reason I posted Pizza's results was no one would believe me otherwise, I am sorry to do that to Pizza, but I had to shut up the detractors.
This bandwagon is motivated by Sith, because they just tried to recruit me and failed, and know this. The other people on this bandwagon are metagamers, because they blame some imaginary pro-town network which doesn't actually exist and want to use me as their target. The rest are most likely confused townies who are simply that, confused.
There is zero reason for the to attempt Jedi to lynch me.
This is pretty much all I am saying on the matter, unless anyone has some constructive questions they would like me to answer. If you have a problem with this request, please take it up with GeneralHankerchief.
Beskar, what happens if you have the most votes at the end of the round?
:inquisitive: So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?
I can't be recruited untill I kill some one. since I haven't killed anyone, I can't be recruited, hence why their attempt failed. This goes on for other people in the similar situation as me. such as Mace Windu. Since he has now died, you can ask him yourself.
:inquisitive: So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?
So could I. There is nothing in my PM saying I wasn't lynch immune and had I used my ability I would have taken the chance each time of moving to the Dark Side. So Beskar, had you scanned me, I would have shown recruitable. Yet, I'm Mace Windu! :sarcasm:
Let's lynch pizza. I think someone posted a transcript of him rolefishing a while back.
What have you been up to, the previous nights?
Beskar, what happens if you have the most votes at the end of the round?
The town loses a pro-town role.
So could I. There is nothing in my PM saying I wasn't lynch immune and had I used my ability I would have taken the chance each time of moving to the Dark Side. So Beskar, had you scanned me, I would have shown recruitable. Yet, I'm Mace Windu! :sarcasm:
Are you saying we should lynch Beskar?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:31
What have you been up to, the previous nights?
Nothing.
Beskar, what happens if you have the most votes at the end of the round?
He dies. I know of another with the "lynch-free" ability and it was a one shot.
GeneralHankerchief
04-19-2010, 15:33
The town loses a pro-town role.
In other words, you die?
-edit- Didn't see Methos's post.
Let's lynch pizza. I think someone posted a transcript of him rolefishing a while back.
Sasaki refers to this transcript post of Renata's:
Csargo Who doesn't want to float around in space?
Secura I get confused ¬_¬
Secura Me!
Secura I don't want to die in the cold vacuum :(
Beskar That reminds me, you might be floating around soon. But I heard you are lynch immune too, Csargo :-O
ATPG Ichigo, you say you want to die
ATPG no powers, then?
Csargo Who said anything about dieing?
Niklas Broberg says (9:13 AM):
Csargo I want to float around out there
Csargo and I was trying to save you from being bandwagoned
Csargo I thought I already told you that Beskar?
Beskar Oh, you did?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:34
Let's gets some unvotes on Beskar to give us a choice of lynches.
Let's gets some unvotes on Beskar to give us a choice of lynches.
Do you believe he's innocent?
So you havent had any personal communications with Methos during the game?
Only through Renata, which she refused, saying "I don't want there to be a pro-town network!". Also, I wanted to investigate whoever Mace Windu was as well, since I never actually knew who it was, I didn't do it.
Are you saying we should lynch Beskar?
I'm still waiting for a reply from Sigurd to know what I can and cannot say.
GeneralHankerchief
04-19-2010, 15:35
Very well. I am placated, at least for the moment.
Unvote: Beskar
Vote: ATPG
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:36
Do you believe he's innocent?
The charge against him seems to apply to several people.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:37
Well lets give the benefit of doubt to Beskar. Unvote and Vote: ATPG. I still find it very confusing how pro town people known by Beskar seem to suffer immediate death, while Beskar here says there isnt any town network to begin with. Are these guys revealing their roles to him just for the lulz?
Hmmm. Dooku, your words seems reasonable. Maybe not crazy enough, but believable.
The way Pizza escaped a lynch two rounds ago was suspect. But, really? Seems too simple... Chasing shadows here.
Only through Renata, which she refused, saying "I don't want there to be a pro-town network!". Also, I wanted to investigate whoever Mace Windu was as well, since I never actually knew who it was, I didn't do it.
You did suspect it was me, yet you never contacted me about it. Oddly, you have me blocked, or yourself invisible, on IM, which I also find odd. If you suspected me, then why didn't you contact me privately and interrogate me? You have the means too. And I know you were online when I was as I checked with another of your IM contacts who said you were online and we have the same email address for you. You could simply not like me, which is fine, or you could me keeping your distance from me for other reasons.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:40
Well whom ever is a jedi master should investigate Beskar and if he is scum we can lynch him.Something stinks in this whole business to high heavens.
The way Pizza escaped a lynch two rounds ago was suspect. But, really? Seems too simple... Chasing shadows here.
He survived because he encouraged a counter-wagon, which we were all fine with considering ACIN's contribution to the thread.
You did suspect it was me, yet you never contacted me about it. Oddly, you have me blocked, or yourself invisible, on IM, which I also find odd. If you suspected me, then why didn't you contact me privately and interrogate me? You have the means too. And I know you were online when I was as I checked with another of your IM contacts who said you were online and we have the same email address for you. You could simply not like me, which is fine, or you could me keeping your distance from me for other reasons.
:wall: This is Shadowfort all over again. Now Jolt, and now, you.
Really, please stop this bad metagaming reasoning and use it as proof. In another game, we were Mafia partners and we never spoke on MSN then either, was I trying to hide from you?
Well whom ever is a jedi master should investigate Beskar and if he is scum we can lynch him.Something stinks in this whole business to high heavens.
As far as I can gather, there were two Jedi Masters; Mace Windu and Dooku, the former being dead.
It falls to a Jedi Knight or alternative role to investigate him.
Only masters can investigate, as the force power is a Jedi Master rank ability. (the one I have, anyway)
and I would have been investigated by now anyway.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:46
As far as I can gather, there were two Jedi Masters; Mace Windu and Dooku, the former being dead.
It falls to a Jedi Knight or alternative role to investigate him.
Well we cant really know that can we?
I recommend keeping ATPG and Beskar somewhat even on votes for the moment, to encourage further discussion from both of them.
Unvote: Abstain; Vote: ATPG
The charge against him seems to apply to several people.
Did those people also reveal themselves to another player on night 0?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 15:51
Did those people also reveal themselves to another player on night 0?
Are you arguing for Beskar's innocence?
Are you arguing for Beskar's innocence?
I don't trust him.
There is a big problem with that TinCow, I am not going to reveal any other results (which were pure with the light, basically) so the Sith can get them, it is only that I haven't revealed.
Even then, my results ATPG is in conflict and (very) suspectible, the problem with this, he is still a "townie" and hasn't been converted yet, so he can't explain himself as he probably doesn't know this himself.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 15:54
There is a big problem with that TinCow, I am not going to reveal any other results (which were pure with the light, basically) so the Sith can get them, it is only that I haven't revealed.
Even then, my results ATPG is in conflict and (very) suspectible, the problem with this, he is still a "townie" and hasn't been converted yet, so he can't explain himself as he probably doesn't know this himself.
And if you would come across a Sith,would your result be any more clear?
Only masters can investigate, as the force power is a Jedi Master rank ability. (the one I have, anyway)
Really?
There is a big problem with that TinCow, I am not going to reveal any other results (which were pure with the light, basically) so the Sith can get them, it is only that I haven't revealed.
Argh. Convenient. But, believable.
Only masters can investigate, as the force power is a Jedi Master rank ability. (the one I have, anyway)
and I would have been investigated by now anyway.
Really?
No. I wasn't unable to investigate and I was able to be lynched. Beskar claims several more abilities than myself. My only ability was to vig, but if I did so, I had a chance of moving to the Dark Side, so I never did it.
No. I wasn't unable to investigate and I was able to be lynched. Beskar claims several more abilities than myself.
Beskar stated he received a holocron with additional abilities.
My only ability was to vig, but if I did so, I had a chance of moving to the Dark Side, so I never did it.
This correlates with Beskar's own claims and give him a bit more credence.
There is a big problem with that TinCow, I am not going to reveal any other results (which were pure with the light, basically) so the Sith can get them, it is only that I haven't revealed.
Even then, my results ATPG is in conflict and (very) suspectible, the problem with this, he is still a "townie" and hasn't been converted yet, so he can't explain himself as he probably doesn't know this himself.
Talk about manipulative. You toss out his name as someone who can be converted, thereby giving the Sith an excellent target. All of us here realize that we can't take the chance of letting ATPG be converted, so thereby you've subtly informed everyone to switch to ATPG. Let's not forget, you also mention that you don't wish to give out the other names for fear the Sith will use it to their advantage.
Talk about manipulative. You toss out his name as someone who can be converted, thereby giving the Sith an excellent target. All of us here realize that we can't take the chance of letting ATPG be converted, so thereby you've subtly informed everyone to switch to ATPG. Let's not forget, you also mention that you don't wish to give out the other names for fear the Sith will use it to their advantage.
Someone who Beskar investigates to be pure and just is going to be an easy target for the Sith to kill though, right?
This correlates with Beskar's own claims and give him a bit more credence.
Several days back this was already mentioned, in that I had agreed with what Beskar had claimed, so I find it odd that you bring it up again. While our powers are the same, his abilities are much more extensive then mine. I had one and he has three?
Talk about manipulative. You toss out his name as someone who can be converted, thereby giving the Sith an excellent target. All of us here realize that we can't take the chance of letting ATPG be converted, so thereby you've subtly informed everyone to switch to ATPG. Let's not forget, you also mention that you don't wish to give out the other names for fear the Sith will use it to their advantage.
I had no choice. Read closer to the phase, they wanted my results and "no" wasn't an answer they wanted, so I gave them exactly what they wanted, my night action for the round. It will also shut them up about my ability to investigate showing that it wasn't a ruse.
Don't blame me, blame the haters.
seireikhaan
04-19-2010, 16:10
Vote: Beskar
Die.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 16:11
I don't trust him.
We'll see, I'll have to reread today's posts.
But right now, Pizza has to be lynched. He's recruitable.
Several days back this was already mentioned, in that I had agreed with what Beskar had claimed, so I find it odd that you bring it up again. While our powers are the same, his abilities are much more extensive then mine. I had one and he has three?
The Holocron, remember? Me and another Jedi Master, then the next round, the Expedition Leader, and two other Jedi? etc etc Random choice of gaining more abilities.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 16:12
Talk about manipulative. You toss out his name as someone who can be converted, thereby giving the Sith an excellent target. All of us here realize that we can't take the chance of letting ATPG be converted, so thereby you've subtly informed everyone to switch to ATPG. Let's not forget, you also mention that you don't wish to give out the other names for fear the Sith will use it to their advantage.
That pretty much makes sense. With your reveal Beskar. You just signed ATPG´s death warrant guilty or not.Now the town cant let him live.Can we wait something similar to happen each round after this one?
seireikhaan
04-19-2010, 16:13
To clarify- the investigation is worthless. Cooperation only when under threat of the noose is no sign of a townie. Plus, frankly, you also deserve it on the basis of principle for the "send me all your roles" attempt.
Several days back this was already mentioned, in that I had agreed with what Beskar had claimed, so I find it odd that you bring it up again.
I didn't see any post such as that, I'm afraid... apologies.
I had one and he has three?
He had four total after the holocron.
The town asked for it, I gave what they wanted. Don't blame me, don't keep requesting investigation results if you don't want to hear the answer. I hope it teaches you that asking an investigator to reveal results is infact, a very bad thing, unless they found a Mafia. Also, it proves that I never killed Methos, as I was investigating, it also proves i never killed Andres either, which also proves I am not a Sith.
I could go on, but this lynch on me is a stupid mistake.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 16:16
That pretty much makes sense. With your reveal Beskar. You just signed ATPG´s death warrant guilty or not.Now the town cant let him live.Can we wait something similar to happen each round after this one?
You'd think if the Sith can recruit, then they'd have checked pizza. The correct move is for that to be revealed as soon as he is investigated, and for us to lynch him, unless we have something much better.
A townie Pizza
Does not post in one game and
not in the other
Plus, frankly, you also deserve it on the basis of principle for the "send me all your roles" attempt.
Yet it was a idea which was only suggested, which no one did it anyway. So you are actively saying you are metagaming? You should be lynched out of principle.
He had four total after the holocron.
Four?
1. Investigate
2. Vig/Serial Killer
3. Lynch safe (one shot ability)
What's the fourth? I'm talking about abilities, not powers.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 16:19
The town asked for it, I gave what they wanted. Don't blame me, don't keep requesting investigation results if you don't want to hear the answer. I hope it teaches you that asking an investigator to reveal results is infact, a very bad thing, unless they found a Mafia. Also, it proves that I never killed Methos, as I was investigating, it also proves i never killed Andres either, which also proves I am not a Sith.
I could go on, but this lynch on me is a stupid mistake.
And if all the rest of us are capable of being recruited to Sith.Your investigation results are nothing but a distraction to the town.I am starting to get tempted to handle this issue the old fashioned way.Forget about any shady investigation results and trust only my instincts. This would mean that you have become a distrction and thus should be lynched. I havent made up my mind, but im starting to lean into that direction.
Kagemusha
04-19-2010, 16:21
You'd think if the Sith can recruit, then they'd have checked pizza. The correct move is for that to be revealed as soon as he is investigated, and for us to lynch him, unless we have something much better.
A townie Pizza
Does not post in one game and
not in the other
Like i said already.Now we dont have any other logical route other then to string up Pizza. What im thinking is that maybe the next one to hang high should be mister Dooku.
1. Investigation
2. Night Kill
3. Lynch Immunity
4. Self Protect.
1. Investigation
2. Night Kill
3. Lynch Immunity
4. Self Protect.
What exactly is his self protect ability?
seireikhaan
04-19-2010, 16:25
Yet it was a idea, which no one did it anyway. So you are actively saying you are metagaming? You should be lynched out of principle.
Great news, I know who to tell GH who he should be sending infraction points to.
I fail to see how I'm metagaming. You attempted a strategy which is, at best, a poor idea, and at worst, an attempt by a mafioso to harness and sniff out roles. Further, you then give us a worthless investigation result that is utterly unprovable and which anyone could come up with only when you're in line for the lynch. I fail to see any reason you shouldn't be lynched.
What exactly is his self protect ability?
It does exactly what it says on the tin... :S
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 16:29
Yet it was a idea which was only suggested, which no one did it anyway. So you are actively saying you are metagaming? You should be lynched out of principle.
As my favourite fictional TV character based on a real life criminal, and that I've seen the actor in person and taken a picture of with friends, Mark 'Chopper' Read says:
Settle the :daisy: down. Here eat this, pretend its got kids in it or something.
Hands Beskar a Sumo Salad.
Aww here you go, have a bite of Neville Tomatos.
It does exactly what it says on the tin... :S
Beskar, care to expand on this? You can do so in private if you wish.
I fail to see how I'm metagaming. You attempted a strategy which is, at best, a poor idea, and at worst, an attempt by a mafioso to harness and sniff out roles. Further, you then give us a worthless investigation result that is utterly unprovable and which anyone could come up with only when you're in line for the lynch. I fail to see any reason you shouldn't be lynched.
Well, if you leave around, myself I can get a Sith, instead of constantly having to watch my back because some one trying to get me lynched left-right-centre. People demanded what I did last night, trying to suggest I killed some one, so I revealed what I did, proving that I didn't infact kill anyone, and you are now complaining.
I fail to see any reason why I should be lynched, I am a known pro-town role and i just proved that I had nothing to do with tonights murders.
On the otherhand, what have you done this game, opposed to attempting to lynch a pro-town role? Sounds perfectly Sithy to me.
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 16:35
Beskar, care to expand on this? You can do so in private if you wish.
Thats just silly.
I've a good mind to go for you after Beskar.
seireikhaan
04-19-2010, 16:36
Well, if you leave around, myself I can get a Sith, instead of constantly having to watch my back because some one trying to get me lynched left-right-centre. People demanded what I did last night, trying to suggest I killed some one, so I revealed what I did, proving that I didn't infact kill anyone, and you are now complaining.
I fail to see any reason why I should be lynched, I am a known pro-town role and i just proved that I had nothing to do with tonights murders.
On the otherhand, what have you done this game, opposed to attempting to lynch a pro-town role? Sounds perfectly Sithy to me.
Thing is, you didn't prove anything. As I pointed out, anyone could come up with saying that pizza's recruitable. Not a hard concept, it's Star Wars, I'm willing to bet a decent number can be swayed to the dark side. Something you admitted to yourself, and yet you want to be scott free when the very reason that you want Pizza lynched applies to yourself as well. Not buying it.
Two things:
1. Yaseikhaan still acting weird, explanation minimalist, doing everything GH does, not very helpful IMFGO(In My Force-Ghostly Opinion).
2. Pizzaguy plays assassin-droid, supposed investigation result by Beskar mentions susceptible to dark side of force, are droids susceptible to force at all, if not, isn't that weird?
3. (because I can't count) Write-up always mentions a name, Sith would most likely have cover roles, if someone role-blocked a Sith and the write up said "Palpatine got roleblocked" blocking would equal investigation.
4. (getting worse now) if it was a conversion attempt as Beskar claims, revealing in private, then converting would mean death by town most likely, would also indicate that conversions may not always be voluntarily?!?
5. (oh man, I'm stretching it) if there can be only two Sith, yet a conversion attempt could be made, :daisy:?
6. (I know, I know, it's three-times two by now) if there were two kills and one conversion attempt, then how many baddies are there and how many actions can they do per night?
7. (I give up) if it was actually not a conversion attempt but a roleblock and we still got two kills, Dooku can't be guilty, right, if it was one, then he can't be guilty either, right?
Thing is, you didn't prove anything. As I pointed out, anyone could come up with saying that pizza's recruitable. Not a hard concept, it's Star Wars, I'm willing to bet a decent number can be swayed to the dark side. Something you admitted to yourself, and yet you want to be scott free when the very reason that you want Pizza lynched applies to yourself as well. Not buying it.
No it doesn't apply to myself. as even Mace Windu said himself, it is only kill me or him killed anyone, we become suspectible, if you didn't skim posts, you would have seen this mentioned over 9000 times already.
I never said for Pizza to be lynched, I only put up his result. Go and check, at which point did I even remotely suggest that or even vote for him?
Also, it is pretty obvious I didn't make up that result.
No. I wasn't unable to investigate and I was able to be lynched. Beskar claims several more abilities than myself. My only ability was to vig, but if I did so, I had a chance of moving to the Dark Side, so I never did it.
So, Beskar claims Master, but the other Master (confirmed innocent, since Methos got night killed) says he doesn't have the abilities Beskar has. So, we have a confirmed innocent with the same role as Beskar and he says something is wrong with what Beskar is claiming.
What more does the town need to lynch somebody?
Beskar stated he received a holocron with additional abilities.
How very convenient, isn't it?
We'll see, I'll have to reread today's posts.
But right now, Pizza has to be lynched. He's recruitable.
That's what Beskar says. And very conveniently, he adds that ATPG doesn't know he's recruitable...
Also, isn't "recruitable or not recruitable" the sort of result you'd expect the Sith to get?
You attempted a strategy which is, at best, a poor idea, and at worst, an attempt by a mafioso to harness and sniff out roles. Further, you then give us a worthless investigation result that is utterly unprovable and which anyone could come up with only when you're in line for the lynch. I fail to see any reason you shouldn't be lynched.
Master 'khaan is right :bow:
Thats just silly.
I've a good mind to go for you after Beskar.
:laugh4: You might want to read the update again. If you do, you'll notice that I, Mace Windu, was murdered. If you also read the thread for today, you'll notice that many people have been posting about that very thing.
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 16:48
:laugh4: You might want to read the update again. If you do, you'll notice that I, Mace Windu, was murdered. If you also read the thread for today, you'll notice that many people have been posting about that very thing.
Yeah I kinda skimmed over page 12. As per usual, didn't really read the write up.
Well...count yourself lucky chum. Cause if you were alive, I woulda got you. I woulda got you so hard, you'd be really got.
If you, Master Windu could not avoid death, I am very, very concerned for the rest of us.
7. (I give up) if it was actually not a conversion attempt but a roleblock and we still got two kills, Dooku can't be guilty, right, if it was one, then he can't be guilty either, right?
I could be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't I killed by someone with a blue light saber? I can't recall how the other victim died (probably the red light saber). I know of at least two people with blue light sabers. Beskar has claimed in the thread to have one and ATPG claimed to me privately that he had a blue one. Granted, there's probably many blue light sabers, just pointing out that color does matter.
pevergreen
04-19-2010, 16:50
I could be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't I killed by someone with a blue light saber? I can't recall how the other victim died (probably the red light saber). I know of at least two people with blue light sabers. Beskar has claimed in the thread to have one and ATPG claimed to me privately that he had a blue one. Granted, there's probably many blue light sabers, just pointing out that color does matter.
Nuh uh, its how you use it. :wink:
If you, Master Windu could not avoid death, I am very, very concerned for the rest of us.
Actually I did have a chance to survive, but apparently I chose wrong.
After rereading my death, it appears that the Sith who killed me has one of the same powers that I do.
After rereading my death, it appears that the Sith who killed me has one of the same powers that I do.
Force lightning?
Vote: Beskar
Die.
:laugh4:
vote: beskar
The only way you could get out of a mass bandwagon is by framing someone else, for the reasons Yaseikhaan points out not only does it look unconvincing, but also had convenient timing too. Giving Beskar the benefit of the doubt could be fatal, we don't know how much information he has gathered. Worth a second try this time.
Oh and Sasaki supporting it is no surprise, he was at odds with ATPG anyway.
Townie tunnel logic... -_-'
Sasaki Kojiro
04-19-2010, 17:07
Why is Beskar a good lynch?
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