StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[ULC]

Hmmm...anyone fluent in wookiepedia, can you confirm the total number of Chagrian Jedi and Sith?

[TinCow]

Why is Mas Amedda even in this game?

I think I know, actually. On Wookiepedia, each race of alien has its own entry. For instance, Human (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Human) and Twi'lek (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Twilek). Each entry lists 'famous' members of that species from Star Wars Canon. Chagrian (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chagrian) is no exception... except that the list of famous members is very, very short. In fact, the list consists of only 5 people. Three of them are the Darth Wyyrlok family, which is obviously useless for a cover role. The other two are Saarai, a female (and, ironically Darth Wyyrlok IV as well), and Mas Amedda, a male. So, if Sigurd had decided to use Darth Wyyrlok III as the Sith Master to Darth Nihl (which fits with both their canon relationship AND the write-up kill signatures), Wookiepedia has a grand total of ONE Male Chagrian listed to use as the cover: Mas Amedda.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, I noticed all the Darth Wyyrloks while reading up on the Chagrians.

Like Humans, not all Chagrians appear to be force-sensitive. In fact (I'm no expert) but I believe most species have examples of non-sensitive and sensitive among their kind.

Mas Amedda does not appear to be force-sensitive, ever. But others of his kind are, and they are all (to my knowledge) Sith.


edit-

Also hilarious is that Centurion1 is doing exactly what Subotan did in Mafia IX..... basic role who is following the game closely on his phone. AKA Subotan Syndrome. For someone who doesn't contribute much to the discussion, why is he following the game so closely while away from his computer? Convenient now that I look back, he claims to have "lost" his role PM.

[Centurion1]

Yeah okay.my computer harddrive is shot so doing that and I use this thngfrom school in class as to posting my addendum sure just give me until tmmrw to use a computet unless someone knows if you cancopyand paste on a droid

[Askthepizzaguy]

oh please im just a lazy lurker who cant be bothered to read the 81 pages yall put up in my rl time.

LOL!!!!

Wait a second! Lazy lurker who can't be bothered to read, but this whole round you were on your phone reading this thread.

THE WHOLE ROUND! Beginning and end.


im a padawn.

Never got promoted, eh?


but no go ahead and lynch me........ lets see what goes down.

Here's where you should have mentioned you're lynch immune.


vote: centurion1

What townie WASTES our lynches on HIMSELF at the end of the game, so the mafia can keep on murdering us, and doesn't even tell us right away he's lynch immune?

Wow, I feel like a noob for not seeing this before. I am shamed, SHAMED, as a player. Diana Abnoba saw it very early on, too, and questioned his lurkiness well before I did.

Before, she was but the learner, but now Diana is my master.

[TinCow]

he claims to have "lost" his role PM.

Possibly very true. If someone were to gain multiple powers over time, Sigurd would sent them numerous role PM addendums. If pressed for PM box space, a careless person might discard the originals, thinking that only the more recent ones were important. Of course, that would require multiple changes in powers over the course of the game... something that shouldn't be an issue for a Padawan.

[Centurion1]

Was lurking meaning not even reading thread am I'm readog on phone because it wad my birthday yesterdayan I got this once new internet capable.phone I Jan a jukebox which. You might know doesn't go on the internet. And nooooo out can get promoted? This OS going to be funny whenever You do God out I'm serius

[pevergreen]

Possibly very true. If someone were to gain multiple powers over time, Sigurd would sent them numerous role PM addendums. If pressed for PM box space, a careless person might discard the originals, thinking that only the more recent ones were important. Of course, that would require multiple changes in powers over the course of the game... something that shouldn't be an issue for a Padawan.


Anyone remember the last chump who tried to pull the "I deleted my Role PM" in one of Sigurd's games? He got lynched for it.

I started as a padawan, i've gotten 2 or 3 updates from sigurd.

edit: Kill me now so I don't have to keep reading Cent's posts. Poor guy is obviously trying to talk, but through the wonders of technology, failing.

[Centurion1]

OK I don't even care anymore.Lynch me I'm just a detriment to the town with my poor spelling an missing role.pm obviously I'm not ping to get killed cause I'm so Lynch worthy eventhough in reality you have zero concrete evidence on me

[White_eyes:D]

Kill it with fire.....
https://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx357/Carnath/KILLITWITHFIRE.jpg
No offense to cent1.....but his posts are making me think, he is talking in some sortof new computer slang and it hurts my eyes...:sweatdrop:

[Centurion1]

I AM DONE

[Askthepizzaguy]

OK I don't even care anymore.Lynch me I'm just a detriment to the town with my poor spelling an missing role.pm obviously I'm not ping to get killed cause I'm so Lynch worthy eventhough in reality you have zero concrete evidence on me

MWAHAHAHAHA


I AM DONE

Indeed you are. Roasted to a crisp....

Let's look at your contributions. I was kind enough to do this for Subotan, now it's your turn, my little lurker friend.

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Ok im here no one panic!!!!!! 22 pages of text, really yall, that much that soon. golly, just golly.
vote: belisarius II you smell sithy

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finally finished reading........................again vote:belisariusII he is at least mildly scummy.
tally anyone?????
-Sasaki: I think we need one more vote on belisarius to push him ahead of you.


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Johnhughthom votes for Centurion1

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2475426&viewfull=1#post2475426
I mention that Centurion1 has 4 posts.

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there are so many pages.........
-Belisarius: I totally agree

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Diana mentions that Centurion1 needs to be heard from more.

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ok so i keep catching up and then losing ground and then i say okay ill see how this develops before i vote. and thne i miss the vote and get behind again. My attention is now on this fantastic game i should be paying better attention to. vote: split god said to :D
Pevergreen votes for Centurion1
unvote; vote: pevergreen obviously hes not in Australia with you.
Diana votes for Centurion1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2478807&viewfull=1#post2478807
Niklas agrees that Centurion1 is scummy. does nothing about it.

Centurion1 is part of the Niklas tie.

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480926&viewfull=1#post2480926
I think Centurion1 is scummy and I vote for him, based on Diana's suspicions and Centurion1's terrible vote for Split.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480958&viewfull=1#post2480958
Centurion1 replies 3 posts later. What a weak response, too.

Classic quote:
im just saying im a normal padawan (i think thats a townie.... )

Wow..... just wow. He THINKS he's a townie. :laugh4: I'd feel worse about my play if I hadn't been pointing out how much he had been lurking, and how scummy his vote was. But it's still really bad that I didn't notice THAT gem.

Autolycus wants more pressure on Cent.

ATPG: "Still think we should look at Centurion1, but I'll switch. unvote, vote: Autolycus."
Bad pizza. :shame:

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ATPG: Most suspect- Centurion1, Subotan, johnhughthom
ATPG: I'd love some pressure on Centurion, Subotan, or Johnhughthom, if someone is undecided.

Auto votes for Centurion1
Psycho votes Cent
Niklas votes for Cent (WIFOM)

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ATPG: If you guys lynch me, that's your business. But you should have listened to me and focused on John or Centurion1.

ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase. pizza is squirming away again....... vote: pizza

ATPG: You should lynch Centurion1 for pretending to not know that it is night phase, and block Johnhughthom tonight.
DE: This actually sounds good. Especially the Cent lynch. Can we agree on it?
ATPG: (@Subo) I'm glad you're convinced that Centurion1 must be guilty, so hopefully you will vote for him next round.
Choxorn: Vote:Centurion1 for being a scumtastic lurker and for the night vote.
ATPG: Unvote, vote: Centurion1
Tincow: Unvote; Vote: Centurion1 Likely Starting Sith: Centurion1 (?)
atheotes: Centurion is a good lynch choice since we have next to no info on him. But pizza must be drained during the night. Vote: Centurion


oh please im just a lazy lurker who cant be bothered to read the 81 pages yall put up in my rl time.

im a padawn.

but no go ahead and lynch me........ lets see what goes down.

vote: centurion1
This is the scummiest post ever. It is literally an admission of guilt. You want us to lynch you to waste our lynches, and don't inform us you're lynch immune.

Psychonaut: vote: centurion1

Oh wow that's an intensive investigation
Gotta love the Bunvote. Voting from his phone = probably scum.

Oh and my name is mas amedda a padawan I'm one of those twileks? I believe

You believe you're a Twilek? Why? Sounds NOTHING like a "Chagrian". If you were a star wars fan, you'd know the difference between a Twilek and a Chagrian, and if you aren't a star wars fan, you'd have NO CLUE what a Twilek even is. So why the confusion, eh?

Unfortunately right about here I screw up and a lot of votes go to Subotan. That was lousy of me.

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What time does thiks phase end

(emphasis mine)
Why are you so interested in the time the round ends? Here's some of that contributing to mafia games from a phone that Subotan pioneered. :laugh4:

Then Tincow solves it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483385&viewfull=1#post2483385



Fin.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's all Bunvote him next round. Pleeeease. :beam:

[Centurion1]

I'm sorry pizza yah know I love you but your just wasting your time everything I've said has been true. Why do i like using my phone so much? I have dial up and its actually faster to use phone way faster plus its Brad new o I like playing with it as to the star wars lack of knowledge that's just ridiculous man I said twilek because he sortbf has that tube thing. His head in my role pic didn't really show his horns sorry for not doing reading my star wars encyclopedia


Edit cleaned it up god it was hard to read

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry pizza yahoo know I love yahoo but your just wasting your time everything I've said has been true. Why di I like using my phone so much? I have dial up and its actually faster to use phone way faster plus its Brad new o I like playing with it as to the star wars lack of knowledge that's just ridiculous man I said twilek because he sortbf has that hjgy o. His head and my rok pic didn't really show his horns sorry for not doing reading my star wars encyclopedia

You're right, I'm sorry.

Bunvote: Centurion1
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Splitpersonality]

I said twilek because he sortbf has that hjgy o.

I'm very sorry if this comes off as taunting, but...

lolwut

"hjgy o" has made me laugh more than it should have.

edit

Let's get hjgy with it!

[Centurion1]

Cleaned up sorry

[Askthepizzaguy]

His head in my role pic didn't really show his horns

Have Sigurd send you another. I have GOT to see this role pic that doesn't show his horns.

edit:
Oh, I know what happened. You're looking at your mafia picture. Go find your cover role picture, it looks like this:

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/250px-Mas12432.jpg

[Centurion1]

That's not how I remember it loookong I think it was darker skinned.... ...............


No whatever either an investigator or something will discover real sith. Or ill be lynched either way we will find put soon enough

[Centurion1]

Double sorry

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's not how I remember it loookong I think it was darker skinned....

Google image search: Mas amedda
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=mas+amedda&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&start=0

Show me the picture that looks like your dude. I see big giant horns in all of them, and blue skin.



Here's the Wookieepedia images for Mas Amedda. Sigurd uses them for the roles. Show me which one you got.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:MasAmedda-hd.jpg
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chagrian_AA.JPG
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mas12432.jpg

Big horns, blue skin. Not a lot of wiggle room.

[TinCow]

That's not how I remember it loookong I think it was darker skinned.... ...............

Your memory is poor.

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/MasAmedda.png

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your memory is poor.

Set, and match.

:shakehands:

Nicely done, Tincow. Excellent job John, many thanks Diana, and pevergreen. And everyone else who got it right. Remember to tip your waitstaff, and don't do drugs.

[Choxorn]

Can someone vigilante-kill Cent so we don't have to read his garbles of nonsense?

[ULC]

And I get like no credit for actually pointing out the write ups and kill methods had a meaning :brood:

I see how the Jedi work :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

And I get like no credit for actually pointing out the write ups and kill methods had a meaning :brood:

I see how the Jedi work :wink:

No you're awesome too. There's too many people to thank.... Psychonaut.... Autolycus.... that guy from What's Happening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whatshappening.jpg), I don't remember his name but I'm sure he kicked butt too.... my stockbroker.... his lawyer... the entire cast of King of Queens, mom, dad, little joe, big joe, medium joe, Jo-Jo, big daddy Joe, God, and my agent.

Peace!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm amazed that we finally seem to be able to catch the lurker mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am almost hoping we are wrong about Centurion1, just so he can laugh at us for being overconfident. But really.... I mean, how? I don't see how he could be innocent now.

Obviously he should be blocked and drained, not just drained, IMO.

[Subotan]

Does the drain that was used on me block night actions?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does the drain that was used on me block night actions?

I honestly don't think so. Having two blockers here and an investigator just seems overpowered from a game balance perspective. There does seem to be a rule of two going on here, tantalizing theories about my godfathership aside. Two blockers is too many, imo.

[Subotan]

Also, I like how

AKA Subotan Syndrome
Has become accepted parlance

EDIT: OK, that makes sense.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, I like how ---- has become accepted parlance

It is meant to honor you, just so you know. :bow:

I am certain that there will be a day when townies post from their phone. But if Subotan Syndrome has struck Centurion1, then I am afraid it has become a real phenomenon.

[Subotan]

I may never get a real disease named after me, but this will suffice.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Your memory is poor.

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/MasAmedda.png

Tincow, how did you got this when it was sent to Centurion1?
Is this the same way you got those other lightsaber pics?
If so, then what makes it different from what AP did with Secura's photobucket account?

Edit: Personally, I think this kind of thing is game breaking.

[Subotan]

It depends whether it was set to private or not....

[Husar]

I've posted from my phone before, no excuse to mess up all the letters.

[Niklas]

Oh my, you guys are brilliant.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It depends whether it was set to private or not....

IIRC, then TC found the other light saber pics by guessing the names of the pictures. If this is the same way he got this picture then in my view it's not much different from the AP thing.

[Subotan]

Not really. Cent1 said that his picture didn't have horns, so he was a Twilek, (Borderline metagaming), so Tincow borderline metagame'd back at him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

IIRC, then TC found the other light saber pics by guessing the names of the pictures. If this is the same way he got this picture then in my view it's not much different from the AP thing.

Probably the best thing to do is ask Sigurd if this is both legal and proper.

He seemingly had no objection to the earlier lightsaber thing. Since both the host and the player are moderators, they probably know where the line is. However, any concern should and probably will be addressed.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Cent guessed that he was Twilek. Before this game I had no idea what were the names of these races in Star Wars. Also, I didn't know much about the other characters in the SW universe as well. So, making a case just because he didn't know the name of his characters race is not that good.

Also, if TC got that picture without Sigurd's permission then it is the violation of privacy. The same thing why AP got banned. Org Rules should be followed by everyone. Even by the moderators.

Edit: ATPG - I agree that it's best to let Sigurd decide this. The previous lightsaber post by TC was deleted as far as I remember.

[Subotan]

. His head in my role pic didn't really show his horns


That's not how I remember it loookong I think it was darker skinned.... ...............

:juggle2:

[Husar]

Oh my, you guys are brilliant.

Expecting us to know as much as you do? Feel free to give us all your info so we can make a more educated decision.

[Niklas]

{ This post in entirely OOC. }

Probably the best thing to do is ask Sigurd if this is both legal and proper.

He seemingly had no objection to the earlier lightsaber thing. Since both the host and the player are moderators, they probably know where the line is. However, any concern should and probably will be addressed.
After the lightsaber "incident", Sigurd moved all "sensitive" Sith-related pictures so that they could not be found by such means. Since Sigurd has several times pointed out that anything that isn't explicitly ruled out is allowed, the fact that he left the non-sensitive pictures in place could be taken as an indication that he doesn't mind anyone looking at them. My guess is he will not bother commenting.

[TinCow]

Tincow, how did you got this when it was sent to Centurion1?
Is this the same way you got those other lightsaber pics?
If so, then what makes it different from what AP did with Secura's photobucket account?

Edit: Personally, I think this kind of thing is game breaking.

Took my picture:

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/BelthAllusis.png

And substituted MasAmedda for BelthAllusis in the URL. Took about five seconds.

I don't see the game breaking aspect of that picture at all. Me posting that doesn't prove anything except that Centurion1 can't remember what his own role looks like. That's about 0.5% of the case against him. I posted it more for humor than for evidence.

[pevergreen]

Took my picture:

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/BelthAllusis.png

And substituted MasAmedda for BelthAllusis in the URL. Took about five seconds.

Plus its not exactly secret information. As far as I can tell, Sigurd just modified the colours of the entries of the character profile from wookiepedia.

edit: replaced text with:


https://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2686/mas.png



Compared with

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/MasAmedda.png
(taken from: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mas_Amedda)

He didn't even white out the wiki link...

All he did was crop, recolour and brand as his own. If anyone has done something wrong, its sigurd. :tongue:

(you havent sigurd, don't worry!)

[Centurion1]

And now I'm being insulted for not knowing enough about star wars I'm sober with Mafia for awhile I think......... and we will see won't we

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see the game breaking aspect of that picture at all. Me posting that doesn't prove anything except that Centurion1 can't remember what his own role looks like. That's about 0.5% of the case against him. I posted it more for humor than for evidence.

This I agree with. It didn't do anything but add a penny to a bucket filled with quarters, in a case against Centurion1. Even if TC hadn't posted it, we knew what his character would look like just by visiting the Mas Amedda page on Wookieepedia. Unless Sigurd changed track just for Mas Amedda, all the other character images seem to come from there.

The post immediately before it, asking Cent to choose his character's image from any of the three on Wookieepedia, or even a google search, or even providing it himself, would still have proven that he was full of it with regards to the "I didn't see his horns" and "his skin color was darker". There was no return from being caught lying like that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And now I'm being insulted for not knowing enough about star wars I'm sober with Mafia for awhile I think......... and we will see won't we

Dude, I'll promise not to vote for you if you do me one thing:

Find any image of your character, anywhere on the internet, where it doesn't show his horns and blue skin.

Doesn't prove jack, but I challenge you anyway.

[Centurion1]

I looked at my role once very briefly veryvery briefly

[Subotan]

One which is obviously in canon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I looked at my role once very briefly veryvery briefly

Fair nuff.

Why didn't you tell us you were lynch immune right away? Why were you going to let us lynch you and waste a lynch this late in the game where it just gives the Sith two additional kills?

Come on, I'm not trying to be mean, but there's no way you're innocent, unless you can answer these questions convincingly. Change my mind, defend yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

oh please im just a lazy lurker who cant be bothered to read the 81 pages yall put up in my rl time.

im a padawn.

but no go ahead and lynch me........ lets see what goes down.

vote: centurion1


How about stupid case on centurion a wall of text does not a good case make his case assumes I actually know all south star wars which I most deibwtly do not I deleted my original role pm AB Olympic have an addendum to off of second of all I never said I WA female finally LOL our just Wrong bit hey wait for a surprise

You had numerous opportunities to help us not waste a lynch on you. Why did you keep that a secret? It's absolutely terrible townie play, game-losing play in fact.

Why keep it from us to begin with? That should have been part of your "I'm a basic padawan" post.

"I'm a padawan, and I can survive lynches. Drain me and you'll see." would have solved everything. The reason you didn't, I can only conclude, is because you wanted us to waste the lynch. Maybe you thought it would buy you time to gain a recruit, or "prove" you innocent and also "prove" you to be Mas Amedda. But townies don't do that.... mafia do.

Not this late in the game anyway. We did it to Beskar when we had time to spare. You know well we don't anymore.

[Centurion1]

Fine you want an in depth analysis of why

First I did not because this is a game of mafia and who is going to b wlieve its anything other than a desperation move

Second I thought the vote was on subo after shift near the end and in any case wanted to have an ace up my sleeve

Finally I selfishly wanted to imagine your shock when I didn't die

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine you want an in depth analysis of why

First I did not because this is a game of mafia and who is going to b wlieve its anything other than a desperation move

Second I thought the vote was on subo after shift near the end and in any case wanted to have an ace up my sleeve

Finally I selfishly wanted to imagine your shock when I didn't die

That is the exact lie I would come up with if I were mafia in your position. It's really bad townie play, and it's also not true. Other players have admitted who they are and what their powers are heading into the lynch. Who is going to believe is not the issue... if you make a claim we can VERIFY, then it doesnt matter if we trust you or not. It gets solved.

Why did you keep it from Chaotix? You didn't even tell Chaotix about it, did you.

You didn't even believe in Yoda, and that is why you fail. Your powers should have been known. You kept the breath control from us intentionally. And if you are selfishly concerned with shocking us, then you never really had the town's best interests at heart, and you're intentionally ruining the game for the townies.

Don't buy it, sorry.

[Centurion1]

What's draining and Yeah I'm not big on role revealing o just it wogged for it
Edit maybe I'm just a bad townie who started reading this game at page76of 84 remember I'm it a very good Mafia player.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's draining and Yeah I'm not big on role revealing o just it wogged for it

I have to believe you're a better player than this. If you want me to believe this, you are asking me to believe that you aren't paying attention to this game AT ALL.

But that's not true either. You pop your head up anytime someone mentions your name, and that's the only time you do. That and to avoid the WOG. You are watching this game carefully, don't even lie about that.

No sale, Cent.

[Centurion1]

At about page doive I began in earnest to select a university. I couldn't even properly host myown game a my players would tell you

[Subotan]

I honestly cannot see how you can expect us to believe that you are town. If you had been lynched and turned out to be town; fair enough, that's just how mafia works. One less suspect who could be Sith. But to actively hinder the lynch, the town's single most powerful weapon against the mafia, and effectively give two kills to the mafia, is under no circumstances townie behaviour.

[Centurion1]

I think you have all resigned yourselves to me being scum and I understand that. But we will see in a phase no I'm just trying to explain my strange behavior

[Askthepizzaguy]

At about page doive I began in earnest to select a university. I couldn't even properly host myown game a my players would tell you

Nope, that doesn't work either.

You were following the thread enough to pop your head in 3 posts after I mentioned you as a suspect. Awfully convenient timing for someone who goes missing for ten pages at a time.

You weren't WOGged for inactivity with less activity than AVSM.

Your defense is that you're incredibly, incredibly bad at this game. No, I don't think so. I cannot insult you by believing that. You may have issues with consistency with your hosting, but your timing was just perfect all game long, and your votes were perfect all game long to survive this long, but the lurker strategy fails. It doesn't win anymore. We can't let you sneak past after you are admitting that you've done nothing positive all game long, and then screwed us out of one of our most important lynches on purpose.

If you were a townie, I believe these folks would come through your computer and lynch you! I don't want to believe you're that bad and callous. You're better than that, Centurion1. And you played a heck of a game, but your scum is showing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What night did you visit the Jedi holocron?

Give me the exact date, or point to the writeup.

You're giving me nothing to work with, Cent.

[Centurion1]

Now I'm going to dry because o feel absolutely terrible I can't tell you why I was not wog. An I have Togo take an so exam with this on my conscience shoot. I really am a terrible game throwing townie

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now I'm going to dry because o feel absolutely terrible I can't tell you why I was not wog. An I have Togo take an so exam with this on my conscience shoot. I really am a terrible game throwing townie

Take your time, you've got all night and all of tomorrow's day phase to explain which holocron writeup was yours. I am pretty sure Chaotix knows who was who and what was what.

As a matter of fact, we can probably PROVE you're lying right now. Someone with that data please list all known player's visits to the Jedi holocron. Don't reveal who was there or what they got. Just point out all the phases it couldn't possibly have been. Process of elimination should take care of you, Centurion1.

If you really want us to run through this exercise I am only too happy. I have been certain of things and been wrong before. However, you've already been caught lying by omission about your lynch survivability, you never revealed to Chaotix or any of us which night you visited the Holocron, and you only ever seemed concerned with voting to save your skin, and also to save Niklas as well. When you factor in the fact that you can't even remember, when shown what your character looks like in your role PM, what your character looks like (in fact, you said it looks different. That means you remember specifically that it looked different. You didn't go "yeah that looks sorta familiar....", you denied it was him!) you're creating an impossible to believe story.

Really, you have much explaining to do. I estimate you have an ice cubes' chance in the fiery pit of hades to convince me you're innocent at this point.

Remember, I offered you a way out of all of this. Just find any image on the internet of Mas Amedda which doesn't show your character's big giant horns and blue skin, just for the luls. Maybe I won't vote for you.

[Husar]

Now I'm going to dry up because o I feel absolutely terrible I can't tell you why I was not wog conscious. And I have to go to Togo to take an so exam with after this on my conscience shoot. I really am a terribley game throwing townie drunk

I tried to clean that up a bit, could this be it? ~;) :sweatdrop:

No offense intended but maybe you should take a little more time typing your replies on your phone.

And we should lynch you anyway now, at least we have someone to blame now if the town loses. ~;)

[TinCow]

Fine you want an in depth analysis of why

First I did not because this is a game of mafia and who is going to b wlieve its anything other than a desperation move

Second I thought the vote was on subo after shift near the end and in any case wanted to have an ace up my sleeve

Finally I selfishly wanted to imagine your shock when I didn't die

It is very likely that you will be drained tonight by DE, which will include information on all other force powers you possess. If you are just a townie, it's in your interests to tell us now what powers we will find on you.

[TinCow]

As a matter of fact, we can probably PROVE you're lying right now. Someone with that data please list all known player's visits to the Jedi holocron. Don't reveal who was there or what they got. Just point out all the phases it couldn't possibly have been. Process of elimination should take care of you, Centurion1.

That may be impossible, because Sigurd has made some errors. My first visit to the holocron was the same night I was promoted to Master. However, the write-up only shows a woman visiting the holocron, and I am clearly not a woman, so my visit is not shown.

[Renata]

Did you have any force powers from the beginning of the game?

[TinCow]

Did you have any force powers from the beginning of the game?

No, I was a powerless Knight until that night. Apparently the random.org gods loved me that night:



So, I'm a Jedi Master now? Does that do anything for me?
You probably got the PM by now. You and everyone from the rank of Padawan and upwards participates in the great holocron lotto.
Random.org decides who wins and what they get.

You were lucky twice by getting the Master level and getting force abilities on the same night.

Sigurd.

[Andres]

Gah, I never got any powers or abilities. And I was a lowly Initiate.

Not that I needed all of that, since I simply was the best looking character. No need for fancy powers and empty titles if you have my looks.

Pfuh! You're all ugly.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I had a cool name, "Gun Hands" Saresh or something.

[Renata]

@ Andres: I beg to differ.

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/TahiriVeila.png

[johnhughthom]

Purdier than Chewbacca anyway...

[Renata]

But just as dead. Woe.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/575px-Young_Nomi.jpg

Oh I don't think so. I am clearly hotter than all of you put together.

[Secura]

@ Andres: I beg to differ.

Andres was Aayla Secura... he wins the Miss Star Wars title lekku-down.

:curtain:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Andres was Aayla Secura... he wins the Miss Star Wars title lekku-down.


her lifeless body was crushed to pulp against the far wall.

I guess you think the crushed corpses of Twi'leks are hotter than living, breathing blonde bombshells... Then have at it, or what's left of it.

Hello boys.... I'll be waiting for you in my quarters tonight, and it's VERY hot in there.

[Secura]

:laugh4:

[pevergreen]

I think ATPG is enjoying roleplaying a lady a bit too much.

Fyi: I just went Super Sith 3. My hair is now fully red, and like 3 feet straight up.

If i clench my jaw, boulders break. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think ATPG is enjoying roleplaying a lady a bit too much.

You Can't Win and Dark Descent.

Basically any time I get a female role I am like this or way worse. I was downright tame this game. Ordinarily I would have been an insatiably voracious vixen... a man-predator.

[White_eyes:D]

Jedi are above "attachments"......or so they would like to think:creep:

[Askthepizzaguy]

FUN WITH MAD LIBS!


Jedi are above "attachments"......or so they would like to think:creep:

You want this... don't you.

The _______ is swelling in you now. Take your ______ weapon. I am defenseless. ________ me down with it. Give in to your _______.

With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant. :eyebrows:

It is useless to resist. Don't make me ______ you.

[Secura]

___________, ___________, ___________ Dark Side. ___________, ___________, ___________ complete.

Fixed. :laugh4:

[Winston Hughes]

Just find any image on the internet of Mas Amedda which doesn't show your character's big giant horns and blue skin

https://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll235/WinstonHughes/MassFX.jpg

[Centurion1]

LOL is that Photoshop

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Clearly not.

more like MS paint

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Took my picture:

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/BelthAllusis.png

And substituted MasAmedda for BelthAllusis in the URL. Took about five seconds.

I don't see the game breaking aspect of that picture at all. Me posting that doesn't prove anything except that Centurion1 can't remember what his own role looks like. That's about 0.5% of the case against him. I posted it more for humor than for evidence.

Perhaps not game breaking but it is clearly Rule breaking.
I haven't seen Sigurd posting that we can go into his photobucket account and look the pictures there. His account is set private and you guessing the names of these pics is clearly violation of privacy. This is the same thing why AP was banned. I know that you did not want to cause harm to Sigurd but you did brake the Org Rules. AP did not want to cause harm as well but he rather wanted to show security problems with the photobucket. However, he was condemned for doing the very same thing You did. And you did it twice during the game!

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL is that Photoshop

Oh GOOD you're here. Maybe now you can tell me which night you visited the Jedi holocron.

Or maybe you can ask Sigurd for a new character card. Or perhaps you might even tell us precisely how many "updates" you got regarding your lowly padawan, and what other abilities you have.

[Sigurd]

Round 13

Day


Qui-Gon Jinn was out and about heading for a particular part of the quarters section when he met one of the crew members. Qui-Gon didn’t really want to talk to anyone at this particular time and was short in his conversation. The other crew member was on the other hand very chatty and Qui-Gon was reduced to listen to this verbose crew member. At a particular junction which was out of ways way, the crew member made a gesture whose signature Qui-Gon knew very well, he had barely time to look surprised before he slumped down onto the floor completely unconscious.

Mara Jade Skywalker, the beautiful descendant of the first Jedi, walked along the hallway leading to her quarters. Her hips swayed extra and she played with her hair thinking about the beauty contest that she had just won and that had been organized just for lulz by the remnant of the Jedi crew. It was nice to be recognized as the most gorgeous chick onboard. She felt particularly feminine this night and she was in a particularly good mood. At an intersection close to her cabin stood a dark presence.
The dark side of the force was reeking from it and amber hateful eyes were observing her approach. Mara felt the threat from it and the feminine sway of her walk turned to determined warrior steps. She ignited her blue lightsabre and approached the dark presence. As she was about to attack this dark being, which could only be a Sith, the being raised both hands and blue energy cascaded from them. Mara was ready though and used the force to deflect the electric lightning. She moved in to strike at the cloaked and dark being with those hateful amber eyes, when she felt a surge through her body. It was as if her very life force was drained from her. She fell helpless to the floor, lightsabre clinking down the hallway. The dark being moved closer to her and smiled:” And so ends the most beautiful woman on this ship and another will take your place.”
She could barely hear the cackling laughter of the retreating Sith as her strength was near completely depleted.

Anakin Skywalker was love struck. He had witnessed the beauty contest and had loudly approved the winner which had sent him some inviting glances. Even though they were distant relatives, they were distant enough to engage in a relationship. That she had the same surname as him was just an advantage. She wouldn’t have to change it should he propose and they were married. He smiled thinking about the prospect.
As he neared her cabin, he saw a lightsabre lying in the hallway. Wasn’t that Mara’s? He hurried along the hallway and saw a slumped body in the intersection up ahead. Could it be? “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!” He ran the rest of the way and knelt down by the woman he barely knew but yet loved. She was barely breathing. He put her head on his lap and stroke her beautiful auburn hair. She was still semi unconscious, but he thought he saw a smile on her face and a single tear running down her chin. He talked soothingly to her as he sensed that her life force was about to fail. A presence loomed nearby and approached. A sinister voice uttered: “So.. if it isn’t the love birds. You will soon be joined in the hereafter, or maybe not…” The amber glowing eyes were looming over Anakin as he sat with Mara’s head on his lap. He was angry. “You killed her!! I may not be able to best you, but others surely will. You can’t escape, Sith!!.”
The dark being laughed manically and crouched.
Anakin threw up a field of force in front of him and Mara, and as the Sith jumped up and released a torrent of force, the part that hit his field was absorbed. However the hallway around him tore apart and the noise of it was nearly unbearable.
The Sith looked at the untouched Anakin and smiled. “Gooooood... that is a trick which would be nice to learn.”
Anakin felt his world go asunder and it was as if his life force was drained from him. He slumped forward and landed beside Mara who was struggling breathing. Darkness soon overtook Anakin as he no longer had the power to hold his eyes open. But his last view was of a beautiful woman next to him. His last draw of breath was full of her smell. The last touch was of her embrace. He was dying, but he was glad it was next to her.

Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force was meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.

The morning meeting was supposed to have been started, but Qui-Gon Jinn and two of the Jedi Knights were missing. The assembled few were looking worriedly at each other. Why wasn’t the Grand Master here? Had he been attacked? One of the Jedi Masters got to his feet and was about to make a statement, when the doors banged open and a haggard looking Qui-Gon stumbled into the auditorium. He walked like a drunkard towards the Master and motioned for a chair. One was provided and he sat down on it heavily. “I have some dire news, the Sith is gaining in strength, I have apparently been assaulted by someone knowing secrets that no-one in here should have known. I don’t remember what exactly happened last night but I woke up in the hallways just a few minutes ago. On the way here, I discovered the bodies of Mara and Anakin Skywalker. The Sith is still among us, and we need to continue our search and root them out.
Mara and Anakin were both Jedi Knights and I will therefore promote two new Knights. The honor goes to two brave Padawans, the last two we have: Mas Amedda and Sifo-Dyas. Congratulations!!!”

Qui-Gon seemed to be gaining in strength and declared: “Let the voting begin!!!”.

Voting session ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Friday 7th of May (in 23 hours)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Diamondeye
pevergreen
Psychonaut
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow

[Centurion1]

So yeah......

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Perhaps not game breaking but it is clearly Rule breaking.

The same thing turns up in google.


I haven't seen Sigurd posting that we can go into his photobucket account and look the pictures there. His account is set private and you guessing the names of these pics is clearly violation of privacy. This is the same thing why AP was banned. I know that you did not want to cause harm to Sigurd but you did brake the Org Rules. AP did not want to cause harm as well but he rather wanted to show security problems with the photobucket. However, he was condemned for doing the very same thing You did. And you did it twice during the game!

No it isn't.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The same thing turns up in google.

No it isn't.

And how is it different then?

Edit: Also, that picture does turns up in google but only the picture made by Sigurd have "Star Wars Mafia" sign.

[Choxorn]

Okay, who blocked Diamondeye? Whoever you are, you just let the Sith get two free kills without even giving him the chance of stopping them.

[Diamondeye]

That was one heck of a disaster...

vote: Centurion1, for now, he's been acting incredibly scummy (obviously), but suspicion about pever and ATPG aswell from over here.

[Centurion1]

So what changes when you become a Knight?

[Subotan]

Vote:Centurion1

So Cent1 managed to block Diamondeye? That's desperate man, desperate.

[Centurion1]

That reading is desperate

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Centurion1

[Centurion1]

Are you even going to acknowledge my pm pizza........


vote:atpg

[TinCow]

Vote: Centurion1

I suspect there's a third Sith out there. There's no way one Sith blocked DE and killed two people in the same night. I recommend that ATPG be blocked tonight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Centurion1

I suspect there's a third Sith out there. There's no way one Sith blocked DE and killed two people in the same night. I recommend that ATPG be blocked tonight.

In the spirit of actually trying to block the Sith, I actually disagree with that now. We don't have time to waste with that. You guys honestly should have blocked me the last five nights I requested to be blocked.

But, I know there's nothing I can really say about it, so go ahead. :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you even going to acknowledge my pm pizza........

vote:atpg

Why should I? It proves nothing. And your voting for me is supposed to convince me of your innocence how?

[Subotan]

I suspect there's a third Sith out there.
What about the Rule of Two?

[TinCow]

What about the Rule of Two?

It still applies, ATPG is a recruit, not an original Sith. Remember, there was one night when the Sith only killed a single person. That is likely when they grabbed ATPG. They then altered the write-ups to make it look they they were still searching for another recruit, when they were not actually doing so. This is why we still only see the single Amber eyes killer. That person (Cent1) has continued killing solo because (1) either ATPG cannot kill due to bad luck with random.org force powers or (2) they're intentionally keeping him out of it so that we weren't aware someone was recruited.

This also explains my role block earlier in the game. No one has ever confessed to doing that, and DE specifically denies it was him. Someone blocked me and won't admit it... because they don't want to admit to having that power.

Also, check out ATPG's behavior yesterday. After Cent1 starts taking a lot of heat, he constructs a huge mega-text-wall argument against Subotan which is composed of a whole lot of... nothing (no offense, ATPG). He's majorly onboard with it, then the moment a bit of momentum goes back towards Cent1, he abandons the Subotan attack completely and goes all-in on Cent1. ATPG was trying to save his Master without it being too obvious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No offense taken, just way off base.

By the way, given it was 6-5, I could have "saved" Centurion1 by a simple vote switch.

[Centurion1]

today


Mas Amedda - Jedi Knight

You are a Jedi Knight

Your commission is to follow the appointed leader of this expedition to recover what seems to be an ancient Imperial Star Destroyer. It is also your commission to do assist in an initial search of the ship and attempt to power it up and move it back to Coruscant for further examination.
You have proven yourself as a true warrior and scholar and deserve the honorific title of Jedi Knight. You spend all waking hours to either training with your lightsaber or work with science. You are a true explorer of the unknown and it is why you are handpicked for this expedition.
As with all Jedi from Knights and upward you have a lightsaber as your main weapon.
You are a formidable warrior and have proven yourself many times in duels, fighting marauders and apprehending other riff raff who do not follow the law of the Republic.

During the night you awake suddenly and startled you find yourself in an upright position on the bunk. There was something or someone calling out to you.
You get out of the bunk and settle down on the deck in your cabin and place yourself in a meditative sitting position. As you begin the familiar thought processes which will calm you, you hear it again, but this time stronger.
You open your eyes and then the impression is gone. You close your eyes again and find the familiar yet allusive presence there. But amazingly it is this presence who calls out to you. You dare not reach out to it as you have done many times before, because it has always been out of reach. As you contemplate these feelings, despite previous experience, you do reach out to it and it is receptive. It fills you with joy and a burning sensation in your bosom and you have never felt more peace or happiness before. Tears are streaming down your cheeks as you embrace this mystic yet familiar power.
It calls out to you to go somewhere. You get up and let it lead you to a place where a Holocron sits on a dais. As you place your hands on it, a resonance vibrates in your very being. Strong emotions flow over you and you hear instructions.

It gives you knowledge about what it calls the force. Before it finishes, you have learned new abilities.

By harnessing this force you feel you can do the following:
- Using the force you can keep your life functions active in harsh environments such as vacuum space or poisonous places. (One lynch immunity - you regained this ability)
- Using the force you can deflect energy or direct force induced attacks at you. (Force Deflection) – defensive ability

Force powers:
Breath Control – survive a lynch (Padawan ability)

Force Deflection (Jedi Knight ability)


Item:
Green lightsabre







may 3rd 10:23



Mas Amedda - Padawan

As you wander around in the gigantic ship you stumble over a Holocron. You can't keep you hands to yourself and place your hand on it.
Immediately it starts speaking to you and feelings flood over you. You only grasp a fraction of what it says, but when it finally stops, you sense that you have learned something new.

Using the force you can keep your life functions active in harsh environments such as vacuum space or poisonous places.

Force ability: Breath Control – survive a lynch





yeah may not want to lynch me again.........

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you agree Centurion1 is guilty, and your theory is I am too, then the only explanation for allowing Centurion1 to be not-lynched instead of frying Subotan, is because I wanted to make myself look innocent. But pardon me, being able to kill Subotan would have been my move as a Sith. Then it would be 3 deaths yesterday/night instead of two.

[Centurion1]

or it is all a huge deflection and i am indeed innocent. if i am innocent you do not care who dies yesterday, myself an unknown variable who may have had some powers or subotan a known quanity with more constructive participation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also: gotta love the idea of removing my master's lynch immunity so you would actually be able to lynch him today. :applause:

[Askthepizzaguy]

or it is all a huge deflection and i am indeed innocent. if i am innocent you do not care who dies yesterday, myself an unknown variable who may have had some powers or subotan a known quanity with more constructive participation.

You can't even remember what you look like or what species you are.

[Subotan]

yeah may not want to lynch me again.........
Niklas had a cover role, and probably had a role pm similar to the one just posted (Did he post it in thread?). When you consider the likely possibility that your role pm is not a litmus test of townie-ness, combined with your actions regarding yesterday's lynch, your consistent in-thread behaviour and DE's block (And the subsequent two-night kills) and it is beyond likely that you are Darth Scum.

EDIT: What does:


or it is all a huge deflection and i am indeed innocent. if i am innocent you do not care who dies yesterday, myself an unknown variable who may have had some powers or subotan a known quanity with more constructive participation.


mean? That because I bothered to defend myself I must be guilty? :inquisitive:

[Centurion1]

once again. this is all based off me being guilty. as well you guys are about to lose ANOTHER lynch.

ATPG: i looked at my role briefly once, and promptly deleted it (accident). As well i do not know the names of all the star wars people let alone the different species.

Subotan: doesnt change the fact you are going to lynch someone who will once again survive.

[TinCow]

Force Deflection (Jedi Knight ability)

This is interesting... what exactly does this do? Sounds like something that might make an ability rebound on the person who used it on you... like a roleblock. (See ATPG, I keep an open mind.)

The nice thing about all of my theories is that no matter which on you pick, Cent1 is always the best lynch. It's convenient that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG: i looked at my role briefly once, and promptly deleted it (accident). As well i do not know the names of all the star wars people let alone the different species.

Then guess what? You wouldn't have said you "think" you are a townie, and that you are quite specifically a Twi'lek, and you wouldn't have said specifically uh.... I couldn't see the horns, and my dude was darker-skinned than that.

All of these are ridiculous.

[Subotan]

Force Breath is one shot. Unless Sigurd was cruel enough to grant immunity tonight as well, you won't survive a lynch today.

[Centurion1]

conveniently incorrect. besides my admittedly scummy posts there is no concrete evidence on myself nor has there been any attempt to do so.

and tincow think a little i was promoted IN WRITE UP to jedi knight this phase. just got this ability i dont know what does.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Force Breath is one shot. Unless Sigurd was cruel enough to grant immunity tonight as well, you won't survive a lynch today.

That's what he's claiming. And bonus, I also have that power now, which is rather inconvenient because if you wish to get rid of me, it will waste two lynches or a drain and a lynch.

Did anyone ever scan me like I asked?

[Centurion1]

hey subo read my post it got replenished with my promotion.

and pizza i knew i was a padawn because that was obvious according to my role, i said i believed padawans were townies, i said i though ti was a twilek because i had the things on my head, i specifically remembered it differently.

i last watched a star wars movie........ 3-4 years ago

[Subotan]

Niklas was promoted as well at one point.

EDIT: Darn, I didn't see that. What do we do now?

[Askthepizzaguy]

and tincow think a little i was promoted IN WRITE UP to jedi knight this phase. just got this ability i dont know what does.

Den Siva got promoted too, Darth.

[Centurion1]

ok, SITH.

unvote ; vote: subotan

just in case you actually have force breath can i see the addendum please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Naomi" is Sigurd's typo.


Naomi Sunrider - Jedi Knight

The Holocron calls out to you and you retrace your steps from previous visits.
As you place your hands on it, a resonance vibrates in your very being. Strong emotions flow over you and you hear instructions.

It gives you knowledge about what it calls the force. Before it finishes, you have learned new abilities.
By harnessing the force you feel you can do the following:
Alter the force to enhance your muscles and improve your mobility (Force Speed) – defensive ability.
Alter the force to hide your force affiliation. (Force Stealth)
Using the force you can keep your life functions active in harsh environments such as vacuum space or poisonous places. (One Lynch immunity)

Night Actions:
Hide your force powers from investigators. They will not be able to discern your dispositions to the dark side should you have such

Other actions:
You are able to survive one lynch.

Force powers:

Breath Control (Padawan ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/forcereathcontrol.png
Force Speed (Padawan ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Forcespeed.png
Force Stealth (Jedi Knight ability)
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Force_Stealth.png

Item:

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberblue2.png

[Centurion1]

niklas had a cover role too

tbh atpg entire play style is different hes very aggressive latching on trying to insult me if anything just acting differently is sort of strange from him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

tbh atpg entire play style is different hes very aggressive latching on trying to insult me if anything just acting differently is sort of strange from him.

No it isn't. First of all, I am not trying to insult you. You're a much better player than you're claiming to be.

Secondly, I am this aggressive in almost every game. Except when I am scum. :evil:

[Choxorn]

Hide your force powers from investigators. They will not be able to discern your dispositions to the dark side should you have such


Interesting.

[Centurion1]

um maybe usually but i havent been following this game and just recently started caring.

you can attempt to lynch me again...... but i wouldnt expect anything in particular.

didnt subotan get a neutral reading

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why are you voting for Subotan if you think I am the Sith? :dizzy2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting.

It's as interesting as it was when I claimed to have that power publicly oh about 8 phases ago. Sorry you might not have been an active player at the time.

[Centurion1]

because im sure between you two. as well there may be a sith and his apprentice remaining so it could be both of you. plus you may actually be telling the truth about force breath *

*see i can treally believe you and you all dont believe me now not to mention that you probably wouldnt have believed me last time.

[Choxorn]

I'm talking about the "dispositions to the dark side" part, unless that's just your susception to conversion, or something.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't remember if I posted this before. It doesn't prove anything but it is very pretty.

If you quote this post, look for something interesting that unless I am a super genius, I cannot fake.

Edit: You can't see it unless I remove the "quote" part.


https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/NomiSunrider.png



"This Jedi will play an important part in the battles to come. Truly, she will be strong—a luminous being is she."
―Ood Bnar, commenting on Nomi Sunrider
Trivia about this character in the StarWars universe:
Nomi Sunrider was a Human female who served as a Jedi Knight in the days of the Galactic Republic. As a young woman she married Andur Sunrider, who was training to become a Jedi Knight, and eventually Nomi gave birth to a baby girl, whom they named Vima. During a trip to the Stenness system, Andur was ambushed by gang members of Bogga the Hutt, who were after the Adegan crystals carried by Nomi and her husband. The ensuing fight witnessed the murder of Andur, and Nomi's decision to begin down the path to become a Jedi Knight. Nomi eventually completed her training under the Jedi Master Thon, and was placed in charge of the Jedi relief mission sent to Onderon to aid Ulic Qel-Droma in the Freedon Nadd Uprising. Along with several other Jedi, Nomi helped Ulic bring about the end of the Naddist Revolt, essentially putting an end to the reign of the Sith on Onderon. Following those events, Nomi was one of many Jedi to participate in the Great Sith War against the rise of Exar Kun and his apprentice, the fallen Jedi Ulic Qel-Droma. During the war, Nomi witnessed Ulic slay his own brother Cay and, guided by her intense emotions, used her powers to permanently sever Ulic from The Force. With Nomi's defeat of Ulic, the Sith War was soon brought to an end.
Following the devastation of the Great Sith War, Nomi steadily climbed the ranks of the Jedi and was eventually made Head of the Jedi Order around the time of the Conclave of Exis Station, a conclave which Nomi had assembled so the Jedi could discuss the rebuilding of the Order following the end of the war. Years after her death, her legacy was preserved in the histories of the Jedi and her stories were retold down through the centuries.

Jedi Knight

You are a Jedi Knight
Your commission is to follow the appointed leader of this expedition to recover what seems to be an ancient Imperial Star Destroyer. It is also your commission to do assist in an initial search of the ship and attempt to power it up and move it back to Coruscant for further examination.

You have proven yourself as a true warrior and scholar and deserve the honorific title of Jedi Knight. You spend all waking hours to either training with your lightsaber or work with science. You are a true explorer of the unknown and it is why you are handpicked for this expedition.

As with all Jedi from Knights and upward you have a lightsaber as your main weapon.
You are a formidable warrior and have proven yourself many times in duels, fighting marauders and apprehending other riff raff who do not follow the law of the Republic.

Item:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberblue2.png

Good Luck!!!

[Choxorn]

Okay, ATPG is either innocent or better at lying than even ATPG.

[Subotan]

Why are you voting for Subotan if you think I am the Sith? :dizzy2:

Cos I'm easier to lynch :devilish:


because im sure between you two. as well there may be a sith and his apprentice remaining so it could be both of you
Do you have any evidence to suggest that we're in cahoots?

[Centurion1]

did you start a jedi knight......

Subotan: you have any evidence that im sith...... like real evidence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm talking about the "dispositions to the dark side" part, unless that's just your susception to conversion, or something.

That's what that means. I was scanned by Beskar as having such susceptibility before he died.

I've also never once used my Force Stealth, and I could have been scanned any of these nights without my knowledge.


did you start a jedi knight......

Yes.


Subotan: you have any evidence that im sith...... like real evidence.

All your profoundly bad votes and being caught lying isn't good enough? Or: Allowing us to lynch you and waste a lynch which allows 2 more deaths.

[Centurion1]

you dont use your powers they ar eautomatically used. your force stealth is most likely passive. anyway pizza you started as a jedi knight?

[Subotan]

Are we all posting Role Pms now?

EDIT:


Subotan: you have any evidence that im sith...... like real evidence.
Define real evidence

[Askthepizzaguy]

you dont use your powers they ar eautomatically used. your force stealth is most likely passive. anyway pizza you started as a jedi knight?

No, Force Stealth is a usable ability.... and there are usable abilities.

Interesting how well you played that. Now I actually have doubts. You're either a really, really good player or this just hasn't been your game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, ATPG is either innocent or better at lying than even ATPG.

Did you see the thing I was referring to?

On further thought, even that doesn't prove anything. If that was my cover role, then being authentic doesn't prove jack. Sorry, thought I had something there. :wall:

[Centurion1]

how so pizza th eonly power i have had is force breath which i would say is passive i dont really give my permission to use it do i?

and answer me did you start a jedi knight? im trying to get a gauge of the roles in this game.


Define real evidence

something tangible not like "he sounds scummy"

[Subotan]

something tangible not like "he sounds scummy"
Wasting an end-game lynch.

[Renata]

What happened to your third suspect, Pizza?

[Centurion1]

Wasting an end-game lynch.

i would call that stupidity.

atpg going to answer my question? i want to get a feel for role hand outs.

[Subotan]

On whose part?

[Centurion1]

um mine.

it is a fair assumption to say yall would not have believed me. do we usually heed someone who goes "hey dont lynch me im a joker!" no we play it off as wifom.

[Subotan]

That's a what if question, and it's not like your ability was without precedent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

how so pizza th eonly power i have had is force breath which i would say is passive i dont really give my permission to use it do i?

Some powers are active, some are passive.


and answer me did you start a jedi knight? im trying to get a gauge of the roles in this game.

Yes, I actually answered that a couple of times.

There's something totally off here.

You can read whatever scumminess into this if you want, but here is my abrupt reversal and why:

I know I am innocent still. Why would Centurion1 leave me alive? I've been calling him out on his bad play for half of the game, and tried to get him killed yesterday.
Some of the things he says have a disturbing amount of plausibility. Mixed in with tons of very bad posts.
He is putting up one heck of a fight. I admire that. Why he is continuing when it is clear he is going to die is beyond me. I probably would have thrown in the towel by now, tbh.

Has Psychonaut ever been attacked? Why wouldn't he be, after being supposedly cleared by the block?

Unvote, vote: Psychonaut

[Centurion1]

for me it basically was. When i say ive read none of the thread up to when pizza pointed out im dead serious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

atpg going to answer my question? i want to get a feel for role hand outs.

I already answered it repeatedly, go back and read.

[Centurion1]

pizza if you started as a jedi knight how have you been getting padawan powers like force breath and force speed.

maybe i misunderstand.....

[Renata]

I want to see Psycho's results for the last few nights. Where has he been?

The roleblock on Diamondeye needs some attention, some thinking through the various possibilities. It might or might not lead anywhere, but it needs to be done.

[Renata]

pizza if you started as a jedi knight how have you been getting padawan powers like force breath and force speed.

maybe i misunderstand.....

Yes you do.

[Centurion1]

ok seriously someone explain it to me then im lost.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's reasons for the suspicion on Psychonaut, which stretch back quite a ways.

I wish I could claim credit for this one but I cannot, YLC and Renata and some others have discussed it with Chaotix, and I am pretty sure that someone has asked Psychonaut about it privately.

Reason it wasn't made public was because if he was indeed pro-town, having our suspicions made public would give the Sith a chance to leave him alive as lynchbait. If he ever died, that proves his innocence. Until now, the understanding has been, he's lynchproof. So why isn't he dead yet?

I have to dig up all the posts, which I will try to do, but the long and the short of it is, on 4-28 Psychonaut claimed to have 2 defensive abilities or powers, I forget which, and then on 4-30, Diamondeye or someone else drained/blocked him and it was revealed he apparently had no "offensive, defensive, anti-lynch" powers whatsoever. And the reading on his sith-ness was inconclusive.

What was in his favor, IIRC, was that there was still a Sith murder during that phase, and one might think having no powers of those kinds would be counter-indicative of being a Sith.

However, if he can have ONE of his night actions blocked, and he can hide his abilities (as the true Sith Lord might be able to) then that would explain everything.


Why he claimed to have powers, that were then found not to be present
Why there was one murder that night.
Why it was inconclusive
Why he is still alive, after there's no sign of him ever being lynched in thread.



He is a suspect, I am afraid.

[Subotan]

Alright, it appears my attempt to stay up all night watching the British General Election results has failed, as I really need some sleep, and won't be able to answer any more Cent's accusations

Night.

[Centurion1]

hmmmmmmmm.....

it makes sense. but there are a couple assumptions that the whole premise is based upon

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok seriously someone explain it to me then im lost.

Just vote for Psychonaut.

If it really was Subotan then I gave it my best shot and I am tired of trying. He's got cojones to leave me alive.

[Centurion1]

no im talking about this little gem i came up with, and what a coup it would have been if valid


pizza if you started as a jedi knight how have you been getting padawan powers like force breath and force speed.

maybe i misunderstand.....

[ULC]

Pizza, why did you go public with my theory? We agreed that until I had all the information necessary, it would not be put forward.

[Centurion1]

its make or break now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

no im talking about this little gem i came up with, and what a coup it would have been if valid

That one is easy. You can gain powers up to your level, but not further than that. As is my understanding.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, why did you go public with my theory? We agreed that until I had all the information necessary, it would not be put forward.

There's been no progress made on that? Is Psychonaut ignoring you, or is someone else not getting back to you?

With everything that I am currently juggling, I forgot exactly when we were going to put this theory forward. But if it is valid, then waiting any longer means it will be too late, you know.

[ULC]

its make or break now.

I don't care - your all creating excuses/theories left and right to vote for someone else Pizza, and I don't like it. Cent has a role which does not fit, and such an avenue should be pursued.

[Centurion1]

imagine if it worked the way i thought....... what a sweet sweet end that would be for me.


unvote; vote: psycho

hopefully tincow will get on one more time so the lynch goes that way its wasted on me because of force breath. its only nine here and i know he lives in dc near me.

[Centurion1]

lol quote my vote

unvote; vote: psycho

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't care - your all creating excuses/theories left and right to vote for someone else Pizza, and I don't like it. Cent has a role which does not fit, and such an avenue should be pursued.

Yeah I know. And I am either really dumb/scummy to do so, or we are in big trouble unless we pursue your theory. It was a very good theory with a lot of unanswered questions, and Psycho clearly should have been dead a long time ago.

Faster than choxorn, that's for darn sure.

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Psychonaut

in the light of atpg's argument.

[ULC]

There's been no progress made on that? Is Psychonaut ignoring you, or is someone else not getting back to you?

With everything that I am currently juggling, I forgot exactly when we were going to put this theory forward. But if it is valid, then waiting any longer means it will be too late, you know.

Both Sigurd and Psycho have gotten back to me, as well as TC. I didn't ask DE and Chaotix has yet to get back to me however. The only thing I am handing out right now is that Sigurd explicitly stated that if he made an error he would correct it, so unless DE edited out parts of the night result on Psycho, that is indeed the truth - no ability was taken, no race was mentioned, and no abilities are present, along with an ambiguous result.

[Centurion1]

i thought we had all realized im just an imbecile who is learning a valuable lesson about reading the whole game.

on the other hand i am revolutionizing the voting mechanisms in mafia.

quote votes
bunvotes.

im a game changer

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, the rest of you have the votes to outvote us. You have to make a decision, it's either Psychonaut or Centurion1.

I want very much to believe it is Centurion1, because then my world makes a whole lot of sense. But, I feel too much is out of place. Psychonaut appears to have just the right abilities to deflect suspicion, and then all he has to do is participate in whatever the group wants to do.

I know I have been swindled hardcore by Psychonaut before. Not this time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i thought we had all realized im just an imbecile who is learning a valuable lesson about reading the whole game.

on the other hand i am revolutionizing the voting mechanisms in mafia.

quote votes
bunvotes.

im a game changer

Either way you have amused the bejeezus out of me. I have to also give you props for fighting for it.

[ULC]

Pizza, if you accuse Psycho, then you also accuse DE, do you realize that? Your basically have accused everyone alive except yourself and TC.

[Centurion1]

being swindled by me would be a whole new experience however.

i sort of wish i was mafia so i would look like a tactical genius late game rather than an imbecile.

oh and i got some interesting correspondence from sasaki, "he was sick of the game and asked if i wanted him to pretend to find some evidence on split to create a distraction"

i put it down as being a trap.

[Splitpersonality]

Pizza, if you accuse Psycho, then you also accuse DE, do you realize that? Your basically have accused everyone alive except yourself and TC.


I don't think he ever accused me either, just stating for the record :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, if you accuse Psycho, then you also accuse DE, do you realize that? Your basically have accused everyone alive except yourself and TC.

Tincow deflected a Sith attack, and if they can do that, I am willing to lose to that. Odds are low, though.

Diamondeye may very well have seen no abilities. But I think they were THERE. He was just unable to see them because Psychonaut had mastery of the dark side. You couldn't realistically expect to scan anything of relevance from the Sith Lord that wasn't a total lie or an omission.

[Centurion1]

wait DE's is an investigator?

god i feel dumb

[Askthepizzaguy]

being swindled by me would be a whole new experience however.

i sort of wish i was mafia so i would look like a tactical genius late game rather than an imbecile.

You would make my entire year pulling off such a performance. So, I'll give you that.


i put it down as being a trap.

That's Sasaki for you.

I had a trap set up for you as well until Tincow ruined it.

[atheotes]

Now that he doesnt have lynch immunity, Centurion has become very interested in the game and keen on living :inquisitive:

Pizza is acting scummy. All his "propose a theory - then apologise for being wrong" feels like an attempt to look sincere.

Did we get any additional investigation results to compare against Subotan's? YLC mentioned DE's result on Psycho. Does anyone have the exact quote? :bow:

[ULC]

Tincow deflected a Sith attack, and if they can do that, I am willing to lose to that. Odds are low, though.

Diamondeye may very well have seen no abilities. But I think they were THERE. He was just unable to see them because Psychonaut had mastery of the dark side. You couldn't realistically expect to scan anything of relevance from the Sith Lord that wasn't a total lie or an omission.

No, when you scan the Sith Lord, he would look normal - meaning most of the truth. None of his Sith abilities would be displayed, but all others would. An outright lie is never believable, only half-truths are.

[Centurion1]

atheotes it was regenerated with my promotion. gosh read the thread i know i do :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza is acting scummy. All his "propose a theory - then apologise for being wrong" feels like an attempt to look sincere.

Yes I know. I know everything I do looks scummy. And you're always mafia, atheotes, even when you're not.

You're honestly not helping now. You are wrong and I'm just informing you of such, as simply as I can. Focus your energies elsewhere, I am distracting you.

[ULC]

Now that he doesnt have lynch immunity, Centurion has become very interested in the game and keen on living :inquisitive:

Pizza is acting scummy. All his "propose a theory - then apologise for being wrong" feels like an attempt to look sincere.

Did we get any additional investigation results to compare against Subotan's? YLC mentioned DE's result on Psycho. Does anyone have the exact quote? :bow:

Right here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483076&viewfull=1#post2483076)

Here and (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2479874&viewfull=1#post2479874) and Here are the contradictions that caught my eye (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480969&viewfull=1#post2480969).

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, when you scan the Sith Lord, he would look normal - meaning most of the truth. None of his Sith abilities would be displayed, but all others would. An outright lie is never believable, only half-truths are.

That's an assumption, same as mine. In my opinion, that's too powerful. There needs to be some minor telltale sign, and having no powers displayed at all, his entire ability to manipulate the force GONE from sight, is what you'd expect from a Sith Lord.

Look at Palpatine (in movies) for example; they didn't even know he was force-sensitive. He was able to mask ALL of his powers.

You could very well be right, but then we are barking up the wrong tree about Psychonaut, and I don't think so anymore.

[atheotes]

atheotes it was regenerated with my promotion. gosh read the thread i know i do :tongue:

that is what you claim :tongue3:

[Askthepizzaguy]

atheotes it was regenerated with my promotion. gosh read the thread i know i do :tongue:

You really do have to pick a story, Centurion1. You're omnipresent and you know whenever you're being accused, then pretend like you haven't read anything.

It's possible that your reading from your phone explains how terrible this makes you look. Really, if it weren't for Psychonaut and the theory surrounding him, you have done nothing all game but dig your grave.

[Centurion1]

atheotes that response is why i never mentioned it to begin with.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Niklas, can you do me a favor after the game and point out the posts (hidden somewhere in the 90 page game that no one is going to reread) that make it obvious who the mafia is? Having been mafia in long games, I know they are always there...

[Centurion1]

You really do have to pick a story, Centurion1. You're omnipresent and you know whenever you're being accused, then pretend like you haven't read anything.

It's possible that your reading from your phone explains how terrible this makes you look. Really, if it weren't for Psychonaut and the theory surrounding him, you have done nothing all game but dig your grave.

what are you talking about??????? im on a computer looks fine to me. did you read my role addendums i got that back and force deflection for getting promoted to jedi knight from padawan?

whats so confusing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

When and why did Psychonaut claim qua gon?

Someone said last page that if he was mafia, DE was as well? But DE was blocked last night by mafia?

He is accused of falsely claiming defense powers? But that is a reasonable claim to make, in order to keep the mafia from killing you.

I haven't been following the game too closely :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

what are you talking about??????? im on a computer looks fine to me.

Was referring to before.


did you read my role addendums i got that back and force deflection for getting promoted to jedi knight from padawan?

You only sent me the one role addendum, I believe.


whats so confusing.

It would take too long to explain and this is actually giving me a headache, just drop it for now. I'll explain it in full detail later when my fingers aren't cramping up.

[atheotes]

Right here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483076&viewfull=1#post2483076)

Here and (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2479874&viewfull=1#post2479874) and Here are the contradictions that caught my eye (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480969&viewfull=1#post2480969).


thanks for digging that up..now that i see it i remember. For some reason i thought Chaotix did the investigation on psycho and we had some new results in addition to the three (which were are all different) we had yesterday.

Psycho needs to explain the contradiction.

Vote: Psychonaut

[ULC]

That's an assumption, same as mine. In my opinion, that's too powerful. There needs to be some minor telltale sign, and having no powers displayed at all, his entire ability to manipulate the force GONE from sight, is what you'd expect from a Sith Lord.

Look at Palpatine (in movies) for example; they didn't even know he was force-sensitive. He was able to mask ALL of his powers.

You could very well be right, but then we are barking up the wrong tree about Psychonaut, and I don't think so anymore.

ATPG, you're intentionally subverting today's lynch of Centurion, and I do not like it.

People, please, let us lynch Centurion today, and be done with this. Centurion has the tell tale sign already - a role that by no rights fits. When his ability was used up, He finally converted ATPG, and then had ATPG use my broken theory on Psychonuat to try and distort the lynch so they CAN WIN THIS ROUND. There is a possible 3 kills tonight, which is enough to bring the game into a mafia win!

DO NOT LET THEM WIN. VICTORY IS WITHIN YOUR GRASP.

[Centurion1]

You only sent me the one role addendum, I believe.

i posted it in thread when you didnt even mention it.

ill admit since yesterday ive been stalking this thread ive gone from like 5 posts to dominating the last couple pages with about 70 posts.

[Centurion1]

im sorry ylc but your just wrong. im not even really at threat today or tonight thanks to my abilities.

[atheotes]

ATPG, you're intentionally subverting today's lynch of Centurion, and I do not like it.

People, please, let us lynch Centurion today, and be done with this. Centurion has the tell tale sign already - a role that by no rights fits. When his ability was used up, He finally converted ATPG, and then had ATPG use my broken theory on Psychonuat to try and distort the lynch so they CAN WIN THIS ROUND. There is a possible 3 kills tonight, which is enough to bring the game into a mafia win!

DO NOT LET THEM WIN. VICTORY IS WITHIN YOUR GRASP.

that is a strong possibility. I just want Psycho to explain the contradiction. and also share what he has done the last few nights.

[Centurion1]

what have you been doing atheotes?????? yah know your always mafia.

[atheotes]

im sorry ylc but your just wrong. im not even really at threat today or tonight thanks to my abilities.

What do you mean by that? I am sorry i skimmed over a lot of the conversation between you and ATPG :embarassed:

[ULC]

im sorry ylc but your just wrong. im not even really at threat today or tonight thanks to my abilities.

Bull. I call Bull. I call complete Bull, and no one should listen to you anymore. You story is to convient, ATPG saving the day for you is to convient, and your ROLE DOES NOT FIT. You are guilty, and so is ATPG, and there is nothing anyone can do but lynch YOU.

People, please, do not let these too obfuscate the lynch! Do not let them control you! Centurion is the best lynch, we all know it! IGNORE MY THEORY, IT IS WRONG!

[Centurion1]

ah well atheotes it appears my force deflection is like a doctor protection on myself. so i completely safe from harm one day phase because of force breath and one night phase because of deflection.

YLC, i know it is incredibly convenient but you have to trust me. As well what do you mean my role does not fit?????? i think sigurd was running out of characters 40 people in lol.

[Splitpersonality]

Bunvote; Vote: Centurion1


Et tu ATPG?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bull. I call Bull. I call complete Bull, and no one should listen to you anymore. You story is to convient, ATPG saving the day for you is to convient, and your ROLE DOES NOT FIT. You are guilty, and so is ATPG, and there is nothing anyone can do but lynch YOU.

People, please, do not let these too obfuscate the lynch! Do not let them control you! Centurion is the best lynch, we all know it! IGNORE MY THEORY, IT IS WRONG!

Paranoia strikes hard, and leaves a permanent scar. :no:

Sorry my friend. I know you're trying to help, but you are shooting us in the foot now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bunvote; Vote: Centurion1


Et tu ATPG?

Et tu Split? Why are we abandoning the theory when Psychonaut hasn't even responded yet.

[ULC]

ah well atheotes it appears my force deflection is like a doctor protection on myself. so i completely safe from harm one day phase because of force breath and one night phase because of deflection.

YLC, i know it is incredibly convenient but you have to trust me. As well what do you mean my role does not fit?????? i think sigurd was running out of characters 40 people in lol.

No, he would never have, there are far more Jedi he could have picked, but he gave you the most totally random role, and a non-force user. People please, tell me you will not fall for this! Centurion is the Sith Lord!

[Centurion1]

go ahead vote me its just a wasted lynch AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

ylc you are putting the gun in the towns collective mouth and pulling the trigger.

AND I CAN USE BOLDS TOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DOES MY ROLE MATTER WHAT WAS NIKLAS"S COVER!!!!!!!!!!!

[ULC]

Paranoia strikes hard, and leaves a permanent scar. :no:

Sorry my friend. I know you're trying to help, but you are shooting us in the foot now.

Queit you. None of this anymore, just be be queit! You know Centurion is guilty, and you know Psychonuat is innocent! Your not even truly pursuing a case! Your just using a theory I had to muddle the mixture! ENOUGH, GIVE UP ALREADY SITH!

[atheotes]

ah well atheotes it appears my force deflection is like a doctor protection on myself. so i completely safe from harm one day phase because of force breath and one night phase because of deflection.


Is that what Sigurd told you?

there is plenty of time left in the day and i will be online. So my vote stays on Psycho for now.

[Centurion1]

yes atheotes.


Queit you. None of this anymore, just be be queit! You know Centurion is guilty, and you know Psychonuat is innocent! Your not even truly pursuing a case! Your just using a theory I had to muddle the mixture! ENOUGH, GIVE UP ALREADY SITH

is anyone else scared i feel like ylc's is going to come through my screen with an axe

[ULC]

*facedesk* please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please stop this madness.

I feel like I'm going to cry.

[Centurion1]

OK I going to bed and when I wake up I'm going to pray that ylc did not actually break down online

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch Cent. Pizza is being weird.

[TinCow]

Is that what Sigurd told you?

there is plenty of time left in the day and i will be online. So my vote stays on Psycho for now.

I may have missed this... what's the argument that makes Psycho guilty despite his roleblocks?

[Askthepizzaguy]

*facedesk* please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please stop this madness.

I feel like I'm going to cry.

Time to hang my head in defeat and give YLC what he wants.

I tried to avoid this, but it is on your shoulders now.

unvote, vote: Centurion1

Block me and drain me of my anti-lynch powers.

[Centurion1]

Dine icdont even care ylc this is on you don't worry I'm not going to die but it may be too late

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now do you believe me, YLC?

Unvote, vote: Psychonaut

your case was ironclad, but you didn't want to believe it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may have missed this... what's the argument that makes Psycho guilty despite his roleblocks?

This is a real quick one, sorry I don't have the energy to give you more:

N9 he was blocked
N10 he was blocked

correct?

Niklas was alive N9, and the murders match his.
There was a drop in kills from 2 to 1 on N10. And it was only a recruitment/fail turned into a kill

Theory is that the block only stops one action. How else do you explain the one less kill?

Still doesn't explain why he was scanned as having NO abilities either. And no race, no alignment either.

[atheotes]

I may have missed this... what's the argument that makes Psycho guilty despite his roleblocks?

the contradiction that is called out by YLC


Right here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2483076&viewfull=1#post2483076)

Here and (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2479874&viewfull=1#post2479874) and Here are the contradictions that caught my eye (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2480969&viewfull=1#post2480969).

[ULC]

I didn't want to be right Pizza, because it felt wrong. I still don't, because I don't want to be responsible for the town's defeat. I felt if I was right, the town was doomed anyway, so I abandoned it - the thought DE and Psycho were both mafia meant defeat for the town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Plan, as endorsed by me and YLC:

1. Lynch Psychonaut
2. BLOCK Centurion1 or Askthepizzaguy
3. DRAIN Centurion1 or Askthepizzaguy

My advice: Block Cent, drain me. But do whichever you wish.

That covers all your bases. Tincow got attacked, he's not the main Sith Lord. Split never was the main Sith lord. Subotan, I already gave it a try, and I'm done. Diamondeye got blocked. I forget who else atm.


Chaotix, atheotes: I NEED YOUR SUPPORT to counter Psycho and Niklas' votes.

Diamondeye and Tincow, I need yours as well. I know you're not the main Sith Lord, so please assist.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why are you acting like it's a big deal if we lynch cent and block psycho instead.

[Splitpersonality]

bunvote; Vote: Psychonaut


Once again just an excuse to bunvote someone...

I hope you're right in believing this ATPG...

[pevergreen]

I want to make something clear


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127629-StarWars-Mafia-RotS-Summary-and-information-thread&p=2471474&viewfull=1#post2471474

Round 3

Day

“Very well, let’s proceed with the interrogations people… oh and before I go, we lost a Padawan and a Knigh last night.
I have decided to award the rank of Padawan to Den Siva. Congratulations!!
The rank of Knight will be awarded Kyp Durron. Congratulations to you too!!”

I received a PM saying I was now a Jedi Knight.

This last phase:


Mara and Anakin were both Jedi Knights and I will therefore promote two new Knights. The honor goes to two brave Padawans, the last two we have: Mas Amedda and Kyp Durron. Congratulations!!!”

I aint a padawan Sigurd. Unless I was demoted and not told about it?

Confused, as I didn't get a PM and there hasn't been a correction?

Anyways

Vote: Subotan

[Splitpersonality]

I want to make something clear
Mara and Anakin were both Jedi Knights and I will therefore promote two new Knights. The honor goes to two brave Padawans, the last two we have: Mas Amedda and Kyp Durron. Congratulations!!!”

I aint a padawan Sigurd. Unless I was demoted and not told about it?



That was a mistake, I Sifo Dyas are the new Knight. I received the PM this phase, but didn't mention it because I guess I missed that part in the writeup.

The writeup is the incorrect part.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why are you acting like it's a big deal if we lynch cent and block psycho instead.

In every game I've ever been in, the mafia can kill the roleblocker who is trying to block him.

That matters. Or else Centurion1 would have already killed the roleblocker, Sasaki.

[Choxorn]

My advice: Block Cent, drain me. But do whichever you wish.


I think it would be smarter to drain Cent, just in case he actually did regain his lynch immunity. Unless you have that, too.

[TinCow]

Do not lynch Psycho. Centurion1 is solid, stick with him. The evidence in favor of Psycho is far, far stronger than the case presented against Psycho. I think it's more likely ATPG is manipulating you all than that Psycho is scum. Lynch Centurion1 and we can deal with the rest later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it would be smarter to drain Cent, just in case he actually did regain his lynch immunity. Unless you have that, too.

true, and you could do it the other way around.

Block me and drain Cent.

The reason why I don't think it is better than the first option is because I know that blocking me stops no murders. So I am totally biased on this point, but trust me... it should stop the murders from happening. Draining me means you can lynch me next, if murders keep happening.

Trust me, this is the right move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do not lynch Psycho. Centurion1 is solid, stick with him. The evidence in favor of Psycho is far, far stronger than the case presented against Psycho. I think it's more likely ATPG is manipulating you all than that Psycho is scum. Lynch Centurion1 and we can deal with the rest later.

Blocking him is better.

Why would I be arguing for a method of clearing Centurion1 which prevents him from murdering, and stripping me of anti-lynch powers?

You still believe I am a Sith, let go of that for a moment and think clearly.

Three suspects: Psycho, Cent, ATPG.

Psycho must be lynched, Cent must be blocked, those are the two possible Sith, because I KNOW it is not me.

Drain me, and if the murders continue, LYNCH me.

You must trust me on this. It is superior in every way to lynching Centurion1 this round.

[pevergreen]

Sith: Please kill ATPG and I'll do whatever you want.

:laugh4:

[ULC]

Guys, I have to retract my feelings about ATPG - please do lynch Psychonaut. Think about it for a Second - the Tempo of the kills remains consistent with Masters gaining the ability to do another action per night. If we all agree that the this applied to the Sith lord, then Psychonaut is indeed the Sith Lord, because Night 9 should have had 3 actions - correct?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm also not the starting Sith Lord, lest we forget. We already went down that road.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Realistically, this could also work:

Today/Tonight:

Lynch Psychonaut
Drain AND Block Centurion1 (stop the kill, remove anti-lynch)
Investigate me, and I will leave my Force Stealth ability OFF.

Tomorrow:

Lynch Centurion1 unless there's still 2 murders, (else lynch me to remove my anti-lynch power, and block/drain/investigate me, lynch me next day)
Block, drain, investigate me anyway.

Final day:

Lynch me.

[TinCow]

Let me make this clear to you:

The current killer is the Amber Eyes killer. Psychonaut was roleblocked TWICE IN A ROW on nights when the Amber Eyes killer was murdering. Therefore Psychonaut CANNOT be the Amber Eyes killer. There is only ONE piece of evidence against Psychonaut: his statement that he had 2 defensive abilities, followed by Diamondeye's investigation that found that he had no defensive abilities. First, this is likely a mistake by Sigurd. Sigurd has already made two mistakes with regard to my role alone. I did not show up going to the Holocron on the night I was promoted to Master, even though I did, and on the night I was roleblocked Sigurd posted my actual name in the write-up instead of Belth, thus exposing my identity. I had to point out that error to him before he fixed it. Sigurd is not infallible. Second, even if that investigation result indicates something odd about Psychonaut, the very fact that the DE result on Psycho is accurate means that DE himself is trustworthy. Since DE is the person who claimed to block Psychonaut on both consecutive nights, that means that Psychonaut WAS blocked and thus cannot be the Amber Eyes killer.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for Psychonaut to be the Amber Eyes killer. PERIOD.

Lynch Centurion1. Ignore ATPG, he has been recruited.

ATPG's behavior has changed dramatically since the night with a single mafia kill, that is when he was recruited. He has become especially vocal and obfuscatory since Centurion1 became a possible lynch target. All of his arguments since yesterday have been focused on keeping both Centurion1 and himself from being lynched. He grabs any tiny shred of suspicion he can find and builds some monster wall of text case around it, even though there is no substance to it whatsoever. You are letting a lot of WORDS sway your judgment when there is solid evidence from the write-ups themselves that PROVES that Psychonaut cannot be the current killer.

Ignore the words, listen to the evidence.

[naut]

Psycho needs to explain the contradiction.
He definitely took Force Blinding. The following is from Sigurd to me that night:


You were blocked and interrogated last night. One ability was taken from you. Force Blinding is no longer in your repertoire.

Perhaps it slipped his mind. He's forgotten his game data on occasions and he's accidentally put the name of a player in the write-up, so I wouldn't put it past him to have forgotten. Your case is built on some bogus technicality. It's quite hilarious really.


the Tempo of the kills remains consistent
Convenient for you to forget that I have been blocked when there were 2 Sith and 2 kills and I have been blocked when there was in all likelihood 1 Sith and 1 kill. Explain how in anyway I could have been responsible. Please, I'd love for you to, coherently and with a degree of clarity, explain how I am responsible.


Theory is that the block only stops one action.
That's ludicrous, why would a block stop single actions? A role block stops roles... hence, the term "role-block".

Here's what Chaotix posted about it:


Morichro (Grand Master)- This allows me to roleblock a player. I am the only player who can ever learn this.
He doesn't say, this blocks an action by a person. He says, it is a role-block. Aka: When you buy the car, you get the whole car, not just a couple doors and a wing-mirror.

[atheotes]

He definitely took Force Blinding. The following is from Sigurd to me that night:



Perhaps it slipped his mind. He's forgotten his game data on occasions and he's accidentally put the name of a player in the write-up, so I wouldn't put it past him to have forgotten. Your case is built on some bogus technicality. It's quite hilarious really.
.
I dont have a case against you...just a pressure vote. I will be easily convinced to take my vote off you.
What have you been upto during the last 2 nights?

[TinCow]

*rolls up sleeves*

LOGIC AHOY!


This is a real quick one, sorry I don't have the energy to give you more:

N9 he was blocked
N10 he was blocked

correct?

Niklas was alive N9, and the murders match his.

No they don't, this is a straight up lie. One kill was Niklas, the other is very clearly the Amber Eyes killer. That is two separate Sith killing, which means Psychonaut is not either of them.


There was a drop in kills from 2 to 1 on N10. And it was only a recruitment/fail turned into a kill

Theory is that the block only stops one action. How else do you explain the one less kill?

The other action was spent recruiting you.


Still doesn't explain why he was scanned as having NO abilities either. And no race, no alignment either.

Like I said, even if this is true, it still proves that DE is telling the truth and thus it also proves that Psychonaut WAS blocked and therefore cannot be the Amber Eyes killer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me recap the case on Psychonaut, and explain why it is a superior bet than Centurion1 at this point.

If Centurion1 was the Sith, why did he block, but not kill, Diamondeye? That's VERY strange. It puts more suspicion on Centurion1, not less.
If Psychonaut is the Sith, his reason for blocking Diamondeye but not killing him is clear. It frames the already looking guilty Centurion1, and prevents the town from clearing him.

uh screw this I'll just copy/paste what I told TheFlax.

TheFlax says:
hello
yes
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
I know you've been out of it
but I know you're a rational person
You were part of the Sith game, yes?
I want to to double check my reasoning
TheFlax says:
ok
I'm not up to date
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
Right now, of the players remaining, we have TinCow who was attacked and survived a Sith murder.
We have Diamondeye who was blocked last night in an unauthorized move.
2 murders
TheFlax says:
I think I read up until Renata died
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
Reasoning is, DE and Tincow cannot be Sith because of this
not the Sith Lord anyway
Subotan and pevergreen are still alive, but they have both been investigated or blocked
Centurion1, myself, and Psychonaut are the main suspects.
Centurion1 looks totally, totally guilty on the surface
he's played very very badly
however
There's a case on Psychonaut
on 4-28 Psycho claimed to have 2 defensive abilities
2 days later he was drained..... there was nothing to drain
an investigation result showed he had no available powers
no mention of race
nothing firm with regards to alignment
both the drain and the investigation are scummy.
But there's more
TheFlax says:
and yet he claims Kenobi
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
On n9, Niklas and Psychonaut are alive
2 murders
Psycho is blocked and scanned
On d10, Niklas dies
on N10, Psychonaut is blocked and drained I believe
or vice versa
might have been scanned that night instead
only 1 kill
there have been 2 attempts every night
My theory:
Psycho has 3 actions
he can attempt to recruit
He can kill
he can actively shield himself from scans
and hide his force powers
that explains everythingt
it also explains why the investigator, Diamondeye, is still alive
Diamondeye "cleared" Psychonaut
He was then blocked by the Sith
but not murdered.
When Psycho was blocked, his kill attempt was blocked
but not the recruitment
nor the ability to block scans
so, only one of those powers was blocked
that was the only night with missing murders
There's no other explanation for Obi-Wan claiming 2 defensive powers
which later disappear
No alignment
No race
No available force powers
missing murder
My plan:
Lynch psychonaut
Block AND Drain Centurion1
scan me
Lynch Centiurion1 the next day unless there's two murder
lynch me if there is two murders
block/drain/investigate me that day
lynch me afterward
This plan covers all the bases
and I can prove I wasnt the starting Sith Lord
look how I was willing to give my life for Chaotix earlier in the game
I requested to be lynched instead of him
I nearly was
no way I would do that as a Sith Lord.
What are your thoughts?

I'm not retyping all of that. That's what I have on Psychonaut, and why it is better to go that route rather then Centurion1.

Like I said, I need your help on this. We can no longer afford to miss. And Psychonaut, if he has anti-lynch powers, needed to tell us beforehand. He also needs to explain this mysterious other power he said he had where he knows the names of roles, and how come his other powers disappeared before the drain and the investigation.

I may be misremembering the exact flow of events, so correct me if you see the errors. But the fundamental case is devastating on Psycho.


EDIT: frustrating little pieces of data which don't quite fit, I see what you're saying Tincow. But no, I think I can explain that too.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Cent
Subo
Split
Pizza
pever
psycho
DE
TinCow

Especially with the dead votes, I think we can manage this one...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The accusation of psycho seems incoherent.

Lynch Cent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me make this clear to you:

The current killer is the Amber Eyes killer. Psychonaut was roleblocked TWICE IN A ROW on nights when the Amber Eyes killer was murdering. Therefore Psychonaut CANNOT be the Amber Eyes killer. There is only ONE piece of evidence against Psychonaut: his statement that he had 2 defensive abilities, followed by Diamondeye's investigation that found that he had no defensive abilities. First, this is likely a mistake by Sigurd. Sigurd has already made two mistakes with regard to my role alone. I did not show up going to the Holocron on the night I was promoted to Master, even though I did, and on the night I was roleblocked Sigurd posted my actual name in the write-up instead of Belth, thus exposing my identity. I had to point out that error to him before he fixed it. Sigurd is not infallible. Second, even if that investigation result indicates something odd about Psychonaut, the very fact that the DE result on Psycho is accurate means that DE himself is trustworthy. Since DE is the person who claimed to block Psychonaut on both consecutive nights, that means that Psychonaut WAS blocked and thus cannot be the Amber Eyes killer.

A mistake that large needs to be addressed by the game host, I don't believe it is a mistake.

This is game-breaking stuff, Sigurd WOULD address this error. He has not.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're being kind of wild here pizza.

Cent claimed something false about his role, psycho maybe claimed something false about his role (that was a good thing to lie about)? Why the "must lynch psycho" attitude?

[Askthepizzaguy]

No they don't, this is a straight up lie. One kill was Niklas, the other is very clearly the Amber Eyes killer. That is two separate Sith killing, which means Psychonaut is not either of them.

It's not a lie, I just did not remember all the facts.

IMO Psychonaut has at least 3 available actions, Kill/recruit/Defend himself from scans, roleblocking, possibly others. He can do 3 simultaneously.

It is possible he was still able to kill even through the block. Explain the missing kill on N10. Explain the missing powers. Explain the inconclusive result. There is no explanation for that.

I admit little minor technicalities like who was killing who isn't my forte, but don't miss the trees for the forest, Tincow. See the whole picture. Explain all of it, don't dismiss it based on one error.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're being kind of wild here pizza.

Cent claimed something false about his role, psycho maybe claimed something false about his role (that was a good thing to lie about)? Why the "must lynch psycho" attitude?

Diamondeye is the key.

I just know it, he's alive for a reason. Centurion1 blocking Diamondeye makes no sense whatsoever, it makes him look scummier.

Psychonaut blocked Diamondeye.


I am arguing this because there's too much evidence against Psychonaut to be explained away. He is the Sith Lord.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He definitely took Force Blinding. The following is from Sigurd to me that night:

Perhaps it slipped his mind. He's forgotten his game data on occasions and he's accidentally put the name of a player in the write-up, so I wouldn't put it past him to have forgotten. Your case is built on some bogus technicality. It's quite hilarious really.

Errors that big, the host needs to correct. Don't be so dismissive.


Convenient for you to forget that I have been blocked when there were 2 Sith and 2 kills and I have been blocked when there was in all likelihood 1 Sith and 1 kill. Explain how in anyway I could have been responsible. Please, I'd love for you to, coherently and with a degree of clarity, explain how I am responsible.

Niklas was still alive back then.


That's ludicrous, why would a block stop single actions? A role block stops roles... hence, the term "role-block".

Why are there two roleblockers then? Seems unbalanced to me. Why was our roleblocker roleblocked, Psycho?


He doesn't say, this blocks an action by a person. He says, it is a role-block. Aka: When you buy the car, you get the whole car, not just a couple doors and a wing-mirror.

Where's your missing powers? What have you been doing all game? Why is your investigation result SO inconclusive, no race no alignment? Why did the murders dip only when you were blocked and Niklas was dead? No aggressive powers, no defensive powers, no anti-lynch powers?

Reveal all your powers, everything right now. You can't get away with not explaining this stuff anymore.

[atheotes]

Diamondeye is the key.

I just know it, he's alive for a reason. Centurion1 blocking Diamondeye makes no sense whatsoever, it makes him look scummier.

Psychonaut blocked Diamondeye.


I am arguing this because there's too much evidence against Psychonaut to be explained away. He is the Sith Lord.

the other possibility is you were recruited and had Centurion do the block so that you can argue this way :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

the other possibility is you were recruited and had Centurion do the block so that you can argue this way :clown:

Without even looking, I know the murders are the same.

One Sith is doing those two murders.

Let me go check.

[naut]

Hold on, hold on. I think I've figured out what's happened. DE said he blocked and then drained me. Perhaps, just perhaps, that has something to do with it. The ordering of his actions. The roleblock appears to make a player unconcious, and the investigative drain appears to be a questioning then mind read. Perhaps that he was investigating me, while blocked/unconcious. That'd explain the ambiguity in the results and why Sigurd hasn't cleared it up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mara Jade Skywalker, the beautiful descendant of the first Jedi, walked along the hallway leading to her quarters. Her hips swayed extra and she played with her hair thinking about the beauty contest that she had just won and that had been organized just for lulz by the remnant of the Jedi crew. It was nice to be recognized as the most gorgeous chick onboard. She felt particularly feminine this night and she was in a particularly good mood. At an intersection close to her cabin stood a dark presence.
The dark side of the force was reeking from it and amber hateful eyes were observing her approach. Mara felt the threat from it and the feminine sway of her walk turned to determined warrior steps. She ignited her blue lightsabre and approached the dark presence. As she was about to attack this dark being, which could only be a Sith, the being raised both hands and blue energy cascaded from them. Mara was ready though and used the force to deflect the electric lightning. She moved in to strike at the cloaked and dark being with those hateful amber eyes, when she felt a surge through her body. It was as if her very life force was drained from her. She fell helpless to the floor, lightsabre clinking down the hallway. The dark being moved closer to her and smiled:” And so ends the most beautiful woman on this ship and another will take your place.”
She could barely hear the cackling laughter of the retreating Sith as her strength was near completely depleted.


Anakin Skywalker was love struck. He had witnessed the beauty contest and had loudly approved the winner which had sent him some inviting glances. Even though they were distant relatives, they were distant enough to engage in a relationship. That she had the same surname as him was just an advantage. She wouldn’t have to change it should he propose and they were married. He smiled thinking about the prospect.
As he neared her cabin, he saw a lightsabre lying in the hallway. Wasn’t that Mara’s? He hurried along the hallway and saw a slumped body in the intersection up ahead. Could it be? “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!” He ran the rest of the way and knelt down by the woman he barely knew but yet loved. She was barely breathing. He put her head on his lap and stroke her beautiful auburn hair. She was still semi unconscious, but he thought he saw a smile on her face and a single tear running down her chin. He talked soothingly to her as he sensed that her life force was about to fail. A presence loomed nearby and approached. A sinister voice uttered: “So.. if it isn’t the love birds. You will soon be joined in the hereafter, or maybe not…” The amber glowing eyes were looming over Anakin as he sat with Mara’s head on his lap. He was angry. “You killed her!! I may not be able to best you, but others surely will. You can’t escape, Sith!!.”
The dark being laughed manically and crouched.
Anakin threw up a field of force in front of him and Mara, and as the Sith jumped up and released a torrent of force, the part that hit his field was absorbed. However the hallway around him tore apart and the noise of it was nearly unbearable.
The Sith looked at the untouched Anakin and smiled. “Gooooood... that is a trick which would be nice to learn.”
Anakin felt his world go asunder and it was as if his life force was drained from him. He slumped forward and landed beside Mara who was struggling breathing. Darkness soon overtook Anakin as he no longer had the power to hold his eyes open. But his last view was of a beautiful woman next to him. His last draw of breath was full of her smell. The last touch was of her embrace. He was dying, but he was glad it was next to her.


There it is. The Amber eyes. Torrent of force and force lightning. Same signatures as ever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hold on, hold on. I think I've figured out what's happened. DE said he blocked and then drained me. Perhaps, just perhaps, that has something to do with it. The ordering of his actions. The roleblock appears to make a player unconcious, and the investigative drain appears to be a questioning then mind read. Perhaps that he was investigating me, while blocked/unconcious. That'd explain the ambiguity in the results and why Sigurd hasn't cleared it up.

That's quite a limb you're climbing out on. More so than my theory that roleblocks might only block one of your actions.

Stop ignoring my request, too. Post 2743.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, I'd go for full explanations if I were you psychonaut.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm, I'd go for full explanations if I were you psychonaut.

I can still be persuaded, but there are hard questions that need answering.

I know I sound like I am being a :daisy: but I must insist, the game is on the line here.

Convince me, and my vote will change.