StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyone care to fill me in on what's going on? Even an abridged version would help...

I'm the only proven townie here, and White_Eyes is guilty.

[Diana Abnoba]

Killed:
Force Ghost:
Chaotix

What does this mean in the write up? Was that the part when "Keyan Farlander" was knocked out in his room (was the ghost taken from him) like Beskar claimed he had a power taken from him?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm the only proven townie here, and White_Eyes is guilty.

You could have been recruited right, and why is white eyes guilty? I missed most of yesterday.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Force Ghost refers to Yoda and Obi-Wan appearing in the film after they died. I you saw, Chaotix was able to vote even though the Sith killed him.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Keyan Farlander part most likely means that someone tried to roleblock him.

[Secura]

Killed:
Force Ghost:
Chaotix

It means he is dead but can still vote.


Was that the part when "Keyan Farlander" was knocked out in his room (was the ghost taken from him) like Beskar claimed he had a power taken from him?

I believe that Keyan might've had a power stolen from him also... perhaps Qui-Gon inherited Yoda's powers after his promotion. :3

[Chaotix]

Yes, I would say that it's likely Qui-Gon who used that Force Drain, as only Grand Masters can learn it. If the target has no ability, then no ability is taken, though- the Master only reads his mind, investigating him.

However, despite atheotes' claim of a power role, I've heard nothing from him. Either he had better reveal to me or he had better be lynched.

[Chaotix]

Forgot I could vote.

Vote: atheotes

[Chaotix]

Unvote.

atheotes seems legit for now. I would suggest that Qui-Gon either drain or roleblock him tonight; but beware that a drain will do more than just read his mind.

[naut]

atheotes seems legit for now. I would suggest that Qui-Gon either drain or roleblock him tonight; but beware that a drain will do more than just read his mind.
Definitely, Sith definitely have cover roles.

My vote is on Vote: White_eyes:D.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You could have been recruited right, and why is white eyes guilty? I missed most of yesterday.

I was joking with Split. I am not proven townie and my vote on White_eyes is a meatball vote.

Sorry, it would have been more obvious in context.

[Kagemusha]

vote: Psychonaut if you are Obi Wan Kenobi.How come you are still alive?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

Need sleep. See you all in 12 hours.

[naut]

vote: Psychonaut if you are Obi Wan Kenobi.How come you are still alive?
It's pretty obvious IMHO, the same reason they kept Beskar around for so long, they hoped he'd get lynched, but it didn't happen. They, likewise are going to keep me around to get me lynched so they don't have to attack me and confirm my innocence. I know I'm suspect, heck if I were Mafia, I'd be playing the exact way I'm playing now.

So, these are the roles in game: (36/40)

Obi-Wan Kenobi
Count Dooku
Yoda
Kenth Hamner
Dhidal Nyz
Aayla Secura
Sifo Dyas
Atris
Barrison Draay
Kyp Durron
Corran Horn
Tahiri Veila
Qui-Gon Jinn
Palpatine
Luke Skywalker
X2
Jacen Solo
Galen Marek
Galleros Nul
Daye Azur-Jamin
Den Siva
Eeth Koth
Hoth
Barriss Offee
Anakin Skywalker
Mace Windu
Nomi Sunrider
Belth Allusis
Koffi Arana
Micah Giiett
Finn Galfridian
Githany
Lar Le'Ung
Keyan Farlander
Shira Brie
Guun Han Saresh

Choatix, anyone who has claimed to you and isn't on that list is certainly lying.

Personally I'm suspicious of ATPG, he dodged a lynch, and then claimed one of those on my list, then made a bunch of WIFOM statements. White_eyes:D, likewise, his claim doesn't sit right with me.

[naut]

vote: Psychonaut if you are Obi Wan Kenobi.How come you are still alive?
Also. How come Qui-Gon Jinn hasn't role-blocked or drained me? It would be easy for them to do and it'd clear this up right away.

[Diamondeye]

More pressure on vote:White_Eyes:D :stare:

Also Niklas and Renata are pretty quiet..?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Personally I'm suspicious of ATPG, he dodged a lynch, and then claimed one of those on my list, then made a bunch of WIFOM statements. White_eyes:D, likewise, his claim doesn't sit right with me.

I'd rather Master Qui-Gon Jinn drained my abilities. As a matter of fact I am one of those who has visited the Jedi Holocron, and I am utterly useless as I am too suspect. The power is all but useless to me, but will be beneficial to Jinn.

Take my powers, they will be useful to master Qui-Gon. Then do as you wish. Your paranoia is prudent but premature, Psychonaut.


EDIT: Also, I claimed Nomi well before you ever posted your list. Beskar can confirm that I shared my ID with him well before that list was posted, sir.

[Niklas]

Also Niklas and Renata are pretty quiet..?
Busy lazy weekend. ~;)


I know I'm suspect, heck if I were Mafia, I'd be playing the exact way I'm playing now.
WIFOM.


Choatix, anyone who has claimed to you and isn't on that list is certainly lying.
You have 36/40 on your list, which means you still lack 4 names. If any of those 4 were to claim to Chaotix, how would they be "certainly lying"?


Personally I'm suspicious of ATPG, he dodged a lynch, and then claimed one of those on my list, then made a bunch of WIFOM statements.

EDIT: Also, I claimed Nomi well before you ever posted your list. Beskar can confirm that I shared my ID with him well before that list was posted, sir.
I can confirm this as well. ATPG revealed to a lot of people that he was Nomi Sunrider on that day with the whole Sasaki-ATPG debacle. I'm not saying that makes me trust him, only that he didn't pick this name off a list.

vote: Psychonaut

[Renata]

Yes, Diamondeye, we're both mafia. We've been making it blatantly obvious we're working together and won't support each others' lynch for the last few days just so we can laugh at all of you afterwards. Also, we killed Csargo and Methos on perfect information and then pointed out to everybody how small a pool we were swimming in, likewise just for giggles.

Anyway, you've been pinging me for a while, so may as well use a pseudo-OMGUS (to match your pseudo suspicion) as an excuse as anything:
vote: Diamondeye.

Here's the vote on AVSM (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2475509&viewfull=1#post2475509) that I called out at the time:

I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

As I stated then, the reasoning for this vote is not accurate. Diamondeye says he's acting according according to Pizza's plan, but he isn't. Pizza had suggested to spread out votes on several candidates; instead, Diamondeye put a third vote on AVSM at a time when 'Khaan also had a couple of votes on him. This suggests that his reasoning was a pretense.

(DE responded to my questioning him about this vote by saying he needed someone to vote for who was not Chaotix, and AVSM suited the bill. But that's not what he *said*, the first time.)

[Renata]

Oh hi Niklas. Fancy meeting you here.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

All those names in that list were mentioned in the thread and in the write-up. Psycho just collected them. So, that list shows only that he checks the write-ups and thread very closely! Like Subotan in Mafia X perhaps? Can Chaotix confirm that you are Obi-Wan? Can anyone do that?

Edit: Reply to Psychonaut Niklas. :wall:

[Renata]

Not all of the names have been posted in the thread, just the majority. A half dozen or so have not been posted and also aren't the sorts of names that you'd go "oh, this guy must be in the game". Psychonaut obviously has access to some sort of out-of-thread information.

[Subotan]

Wookiepedia?

[Choxorn]

My role isn't on that list.

So... why is White Eyes mafia, exactly?

[Beskar]

My 7001st post!

[naut]

Ok we have White_eyes:D with a soft claim. ATPG, your response is reasonable, but you are playing agreeable and with enough initiative to hide but appear active. Diamondeye with some faulty reasoning. And Niklas constantly jumping on the easy target.

[Diamondeye]

Renata, I thought an OMGUS vote required that I voted for you first? I do not recall doing such a thing. I only commented that you and Niklas had grown quiet...

But actually, your post made me realize I had forgotten about TinCow, whom I still feel suspicious about.
I might change my vote to him later if WE:D would find a leg to stand on concerning his supersoft claim.

[Joooray]

So I'm dead? That sucks, but well no big loss for the town. I had hoped to remain uninteresting for the Sith until I maybe was promoted to something to be more helpful, but well there goes that.
But apparently I was quite a ladies man. :laugh4:

Good luck to the town. Hope you'll be more successful with the lynches in the future.
BTW: I'm not sure Palatine was actually a Sith, I know 'khaan never claimed he was innocent, but with the way that, it at least seems that, everything is announced in the write-ups and there being no mention of a recruitment, I could imagine we are still facing the two original Siths.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok we have White_eyes:D with a soft claim. ATPG, your response is reasonable, but you are playing agreeable and with enough initiative to hide but appear active. Diamondeye with some faulty reasoning. And Niklas constantly jumping on the easy target.

Oh dear.

Psychonaut, I could be crawling all over you for still being alive after having all this information. You're obviously capable of gathering information somehow and that makes you a danger to the Sith, yet you're still alive. Why are you still alive, I wonder? Should I hop on board your wagon and eliminate someone who's been hounding me for a while? If I were a Sith I'd have two reasons to eliminate you, to get you off my back and to silence you. But we both know how pointless that is, because if your claims are fake they involve telling lots of lies which will eventually hang you, so I'm not going to bother.

I also can't explain how you have all that information without it being part of your role, so I won't take the risk.

The fact is I am Nomi Sunrider, have claimed so since about round 2, and I can even point you to the writeup where I gained information from the Jedi Holocron, now that I know that's what the writeup was referring to. I was also investigated, unlike some here. The fact is that if I were a Sith I could only be a recruit. The one you want is the Sith Lord, or one of the original Sith at the very least. Since you know I am not the Sith Lord, and that's one of the few tangible clues you have, and I'll be dead in due time, why don't you focus on getting the Sith Lord, then?

For the record I still haven't been recruited, that's one of the reasons why I am inviting Qui-Gon to drain my powers. I have a power which may or may not be useful, a speed boost, so take that if you will. I believe it adds to your defense. I have one other power which is laughably worthless, the ability to hide from alignment scans, which I didn't get until after I had already been scanned as a potential Sith recruit.

May the force be with you, because at least then it will be with one of us.

I also cannot fathom why you'd think I am a Sith after I volunteered to be lynched to protect Chaotix' identity and rid yourself of a suspect at the same time. But then again, none of you truly understand me, so why should I be surprised.

[Greyblades]

Vote:Psychonaut

[naut]

Oh dear.

Psychonaut, I could be crawling all over you for still being alive after having all this information. You're obviously capable of gathering information somehow and that makes you a danger to the Sith, yet you're still alive. Why are you still alive, I wonder? Should I hop on board your wagon and eliminate someone who's been hounding me for a while? If I were a Sith I'd have two reasons to eliminate you, to get you off my back and to silence you. But we both know how pointless that is, because if your claims are fake they involve telling lots of lies which will eventually hang you, so I'm not going to bother.

I also can't explain how you have all that information without it being part of your role, so I won't take the risk.

The fact is I am Nomi Sunrider, have claimed so since about round 2, and I can even point you to the writeup where I gained information from the Jedi Holocron, now that I know that's what the writeup was referring to. I was also investigated, unlike some here. The fact is that if I were a Sith I could only be a recruit. The one you want is the Sith Lord, or one of the original Sith at the very least. Since you know I am not the Sith Lord, and that's one of the few tangible clues you have, and I'll be dead in due time, why don't you focus on getting the Sith Lord, then?

For the record I still haven't been recruited, that's one of the reasons why I am inviting Qui-Gon to drain my powers. I have a power which may or may not be useful, a speed boost, so take that if you will. I believe it adds to your defense. I have one other power which is laughably worthless, the ability to hide from alignment scans, which I didn't get until after I had already been scanned as a potential Sith recruit.

May the force be with you, because at least then it will be with one of us.

I also cannot fathom why you'd think I am a Sith after I volunteered to be lynched to protect Chaotix' identity and rid yourself of a suspect at the same time. But then again, none of you truly understand me, so why should I be surprised.
:bow:



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Greyblades want to expand on that. Or are you just jumping on the wagon?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Psychonaut is a poor lynch candidate for today. If he's an important role, then we are not being wise or patient by lynching him now. If he's Sith, he's a roleblock/drain candidate, then we lynch him. He's not going anywhere, gentlemen.

If we're going to blind lynch someone, why are we doing it on someone whose claims can be confirmed within a round or two? Better is to lynch someone we can see is acting self-conscious and nervous, like White_Eyes. Remember, if he's calm, cool, and collected, he can only be mafia scum.

[naut]

AH HA! It makes sense. Greyblades. Every single post you have made is pure, pure scum.


I should probably apologise for missing the first two turns :sweatdrop: I was kinda distracted.
Anyway, I dont think beskar is a good lynch, mainly because I dont like the idea of wasting another day on a guy who can survive being in a vaccum.
Contrived.


I'm here I guess.
Appearing to be somewhat active.


Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?
Fluff.


Holy inpenitrable walls of text!
Fluff.


You do know there is an edit button right?
Fluff.


Dang, I feel like a right fool now.
Contrived.


Hmm I dont like it. But, I guess if I dont vote this turn I could be wogged, so Vote: Belisarius
Voting just avoid WoG.


So why are we lynching him again?
Scummy.


What did belisarius do?
Scummy, you just voted for him... you should know.


Could someone put up a tally or some sort of summary of whats been going on?



Ugh. I had forgotten how hard it was keeping up with big games that have a post per 5 minutes.
Fluff.


Oh what a happy, friendly, not-getting-irritable game this is turning into.
Gh doesnt particualy come off as scummy to me and I dont think diana's inactivity is a good reason. Vote:Thermal Mercury.
Trite.


I would have been more decisive if I wasn't about to go to a maths lesson and had to leg it immediately afterwards.



You didnt? Let me check...:sweatdrop: wrong game and a different guy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore!-In-Play&p=2472314&viewfull=1#post2472314) sorry.
Excuses.


Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.
Classic Mafia tell.


When is this game taking place anyway?
Fluff.


Hey, I can't help it if the thread jumps mulitple pages when I'm asleep/at college.
Excuses.


Vote: AVSM
Jumping on the Wagon.

...I'm gone for half a day and you lot expose the two characters who are most likely to be powerful town roles... Dear god, which blooming genius thought that one up?
So contrived it isn't funny. Wow.

What can I say? Most of the time this game moves too fast for me to keep up.
Excuses.


Vote:Psychonaut
Jump on the wagon AGAIN.

You haven't contributed anything over 20ish posts, but you've been here enough to semi-follow the game and to avoid post a WoG avoidance vote twice. If you aren't scum then my force ghost is an amoeba with syphilis.

Unvote: White_eyes:D Vote: Greyblades

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Psycho is scummy, but that's no reason to lynch him right now.

[naut]

Every vote Greyblades has cast is an easy target who already had many votes on them. He's contributed nothing but excuses and fluff. He's passed under the radar. But, the vote on me is too obvious. Sorry buddy, but you have been active on the forums and your excuses ring hollow. You are trying to lurk to victory. You tick all the Sith boxes, you are scum, scum, scum.

This post alone is enough to lynch you a hundred times over.

Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.
Why do I think this is so damning? Well I've made this very style of post before, as anti-town. It's a classic tell. You add a disclaimer to try to appear conscious and sincere, when in fact your nonchalance about who to actually vote comes through inadvertently. It's the type of post a townie never makes. It is a scum post. You sir are our Sith, and you should hang be cast into space today.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Greyblades

Pretty convincing argument from Psycho.

[TinCow]

Every vote Greyblades has cast is an easy target who already had many votes on them. He's contributed nothing but excuses and fluff. He's passed under the radar. But, the vote on me is too obvious. Sorry buddy, but you have been active on the forums and your excuses ring hollow. You are trying to lurk to victory. You tick all the Sith boxes, you are scum, scum, scum.

:yes:

Vote: Greyblades

[Subotan]

Vote:Greyblades
Speak now, or forever hold your peace :whip:

[Yaropolk]

unvote; vote: niklas

[Greyblades]

Hmph so much for waiting until the game slows down...
The truth is that I cant keep up. The pages and pages full of people talking themselves into a circle generated every time I stop paying attention for a second is realy confusing me and to be frank deciding who to vote means trawling through 20 pages of rubbish that quite frankly I dont want to bother with. Thats it.
Oh and that whole who should I vote for bit? Yeah I know its damning, thats why I wouldnt say it if I was actually trying.

[Diamondeye]

I agree with Psychonaut's reasoning but I really wouldn't like WE:D to slip by another round in silence... Greyblades at least answered the accusation.

[Chaotix]

Greyblades, white_eyes, and Niklas are all good choices for today. Psychonaut, for rather obvious reasons, is a terrible choice. :stare:

I'll lend my support to the Niklas lynch for now.

Vote: Niklas

EDIT AFTER VOTE:

If you guys really need proof that Psychonaut is innocent, then I will say that the "real" Obi-Wan should reveal to me at any time. And if nobody makes the counterclaim... we have nothing to fear.

[naut]

Just wondering. What is the major reasoning behind the choice of Niklas? I mean, he's been inconsistent, but not particularily scummy.

Greyblades has been consistently scummy, and responded just as scumily... he's the best shot we have today to lynch a Sith. His offhand dismissal of my accusations is too casual, too neutral to be a town response. He's Sith, dead on, with bells-on and force-lightning in this palms and yellow eyes under his hood.

[Secura]

Yes, Diamondeye, we're both mafia. We've been making it blatantly obvious we're working together and won't support each others' lynch for the last few days just so we can laugh at all of you afterwards. Also, we killed Csargo and Methos on perfect information and then pointed out to everybody how small a pool we were swimming in, likewise just for giggles.

Renata... if you never make a single post in the Gameroom again, let this be your epitaph. <3


The fact is I am Nomi Sunrider, have claimed so since about round 2.

I can vouch for this as Beskar informed me Pizza had claimed this role way back at the start of the game. :3

Before I forget to vote again, vote: Greyblades. Throughly convincing argument, Psycho. :bow:

[Greyblades]

I'm guessing that I should sign up for replacements seeing as I'm going to die. I'm feeling depressed enough heres my role.:




https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/LarLeUng.png



"I'm not comfortable with Jedi being seen as weapons. The Yuuzhan Vong are already attempting to turn public sentiment against us. Do we really want to be perceived as an aggressor in this war?"
―Lar Le'Ung, to Kyp Durron and Luke Skywalker
Trivia about this character in the StarWars universe:
Jedi Master Lar Le'Ung, a male Pau'an, was a member of the New Jedi Order at the start of the Yuuzhan Vong War. In 25 ABY, he was stationed at the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin 4 when Prince Finn Galfridian was rescued from the subjugation of his homeworld of Artorias at the hands of the Yuuzhan Vong by Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and brought to the Praxeum for Jedi training. When the Jedi were requested to aid in the evacuation of the planet Rychel, which was under attack from the intergalactic invaders, Le'Ung was tasked with leading the New Republic troops against the Yuuzhan Vong.
The Yuuzhan Vong had deployed two siege creatures—Tu-Scart and Sgauru—and with Galfridian at his side, Le'Ung led the troops in an attempt to distract the creatures long enough for Skywalker to rescue the refugees. As the battle wore on, the Republic troops lost hope and began to run back to their ships. Le'Ung realized that Tu-Scart was emanating fear, and, knowing the refugees needed more time, he raised his lightsaber and called for his troops to hold. As he did so, the Pau'an was attacked from behind by a Yuuzhan Vong warrior who stabbed Le'Ung through the chest and hurled the Jedi Master into the open mouth of Tu-Scart.

Initiate

You are an Initiate and among the best of those that shows potential to grow and gain a great and long career as a member of the Jedi order.
You have been chosen to come on this expedition to recover what seems to be an ancient Imperial Star Destroyer. You are here mainly to observe and learn from those above you in rank. Be not mistaken, you are here because this might advance the timeline in which you learn to become a Padawan.

Not much has been revealed to you at this time, but instructions will presented to you in due time.

Good Luck!!!

[Renata]

If you guys really need proof that Psychonaut is innocent, then I will say that the "real" Obi-Wan should reveal to me at any time. And if nobody makes the counterclaim... we have nothing to fear.

Chaotix, you have a MAJOR unsupported assumption there that you should not be making. We do not know that none of the Sith are running around with perfectly legitimate cover roles -- in fact, the write-ups suggest that they are. There's nothing to say that Psychonaut could not be the only Obi-wan running around the game and still be Sith. Please don't make that assumption, about him or anybody.

[Renata]

Grayblades should be unvoted. Based on that role claim, there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.

I suggest Diamondeye as a replacement. :yes:

[naut]

Grayblades should be unvoted. Based on that role claim, there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.
To an extent. It somewhat pokes a hole in my logic. But, on other hand his in-thread behaviour is incredibly scummy. (Plus the fact Sith probably have cover roles) Gah. Need to think about this.

The problem is basically the fact we have ended up with quite a few players who are lurking/semi-lurking and they're all messing with my gut instinct.

[Greyblades]

Oh and uh sorry about lurking like that but earlier in the game choxorn said:

Just wait for some people to die, the posts will die down a bit.
I did wait and well it has yet to die down.

[naut]

Unvote for now. Gah, gah, gah, gah, gah. Square one. Be back in 12 hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Grayblades should be unvoted. Based on that role claim, there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.

Can you point me to which posts there is such?

[Niklas]

If you guys really need proof that Psychonaut is innocent, then I will say that the "real" Obi-Wan should reveal to me at any time. And if nobody makes the counterclaim... we have nothing to fear.
Why would "being Obi-Wan" imply innocence? I don't understand this logic. I don't question that Psychonaut is Obi-Wan, how does that make him innocent?


Just wondering. What is the major reasoning behind the choice of Niklas? I mean, he's been inconsistent, but not particularily scummy.
The reasoning for choosing me can apparently be found in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2477858&viewfull=1#post2477858). ~;)

I don't agree that I've been inconsistent though, everything I've done has been for a reason. "Constantly jumping on the easy target"? That's called pressure, and my first vote in a day is rarely my last. Care to elaborate?


Grayblades should be unvoted. Based on that role claim, there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.
Wanna share? Before reading this post of yours I was definitely ready to follow Psychonaut's logic.

[Secura]

Well, that changes everything... whether or not the role claim is true is irrelevant, because he'll probably be WOG'd for posting it in the first place. Shame on you, sir.

unvote: Greyblades.

[Greyblades]

The first post and first writeup didnt say anything about whether or not role reveals are alowed. The only thing I did see was pretty vague.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, that changes everything... whether or not the role claim is true is irrelevant, because he'll probably be WOG'd for posting it in the first place. Shame on you, sir.

unvote: Greyblades.

No he won't, it's not against the rules for this game.

And because it isn't, that means that there's a 99% certainty that the Sith have cover roles.

If this is how you react to a role reveal, then we will never catch a Sith, because the Sith will simply reveal their cover role and boom, all of a sudden they are off the hook.

[Secura]

No he won't, it's not against the rules for this game.

I wasn't aware of that fact, though; after sixty-one pages and over eighteen hundred posts (and that's just this game) I sorta lose track.


And because it isn't, that means that there's a 99% certainty that the Sith have cover roles.

I took that as a given from the start of the game...


If this is how you react to a role reveal, then we will never catch a Sith, because the Sith will simply reveal their cover role and boom, all of a sudden they are off the hook.

It's how I react because I wasn't aware it's okay to post Role PMs in-thread; if I had been, I would not have removed my vote. And now that I am aware, vote: Greyblades.

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks all, for your answers. :bow: I reread and got it now. :stupido2: :embarassed:

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Greyblades I agree with Psychonaut's logic.

[Subotan]

Even if the Sith don't have cover roles, there's a possibility that Greyblades has been converted. That wouldn't explain his consistently scummy behaviour, but it might go some way to account for the change from lurking to making downright suspicious posts.

Assuming there isn't some breaking news which reveals that Greybldes isn't Sith, my vote stays where it is.

[Diamondeye]

I'm intrigued as to why you're so into voting against me, Renata. Care to elaborate - in private if need be?

[Greyblades]

Oh boy, this is going to be such a dissapointment.
Sigurd is there anyone wo needs replacing? Somehow I think I will be available in the near future.

[Husar]

We do not know that none of the Sith are running around with perfectly legitimate cover roles -- in fact, the write-ups suggest that they are.


Grayblades should be unvoted. Based on that role claim, there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.

Either you are contradicting yourself in two consecutive posts or you have some evidence that is not out in the open?

[Greyblades]

there is exculpatory evidence out there about him.

Any chance you could expand on this?

[Renata]

Dang is nobody around on Sundays?

I do have information nobody else has, or at least that nobody else who's posted has. It's not about his role -- I said *evidence*. The player with that role was witnessed sleeping last night. As opposed to killing people.

[Sigurd]

voting closed...

[Renata]

For God's sake ...

[autolycus]

What's the reasoning behind the voting for niklas? I'm inclined to trust Renata's case for Greyblades' innocence. I have less reason to trust niklas, and time is running down on today, so I'll vote: niklas.

[Renata]

Seriously, people, I know I didn't go into much detail and I couldn't be around to follow up, but how much plainer could I be? Does anyone really think I would contradict myself five posts apart? Obviously I was talking about something else.

Argh.

[autolycus]

Cross post with the vote :(

[Greyblades]

*slowl claps* Well done town you killed me and I have to say you are a good bunch of players for you see I am realy... an initiate, congratulations town you failed spectacularly.

[Renata]

Next time I'll spell it out in size 20 bold print and words of fewer than two syllables.

[Greyblades]

Its times like this that makes me wish I took the chance to learn how to say you lose in zulu.

[Renata]

I don't get it, I honestly don't. I had to go out right when I saw your role claim, and it matched up with information I had from earlier, I just didn't know how much to say about it and honestly didn't think it would matter. I was shocked to come back and find out practically no one had taken me at my word, not even in a "if this is wrong, you'll regret it" sort of way. I have no idea what to make of it.

[Greyblades]

I do but if I said it out loud I'd be banned.
Gosh I had no idea bashing people for failing felt so cathartic no wonder trolls do it.

[Renata]

I guess the fail must be just as much on my part for mis-reading how people would react. Sorry.

[Sigurd]

Round 8

Night


When Qui-Gon Jinn returned the assembled Jedi had found a candidate and the tally was presented.
It was not a majority vote, but the candidate was in lead by two votes. 1/3rd of the crew had not even lodged a vote and Qui-Gon looked sternly at them. "You have not washed your hands clean by not participating. If the candidate is not a Sith, it is your fault as much as those who voted for him. By not participating you are not contributing to rooting out the killers. Three of you are in danger of being replaced."
Qui-Gon Jinn called out: “Could Lar Le'Ung please come forward!” The young initiate came forward meekly. He had nothing to counter the accusations with.
Qui-Gon Jinn called for some Knights to take care of the execution. The Knights escorted Lar out of the auditorium and the others followed suit. Qui-Gon stopped them: “Not so fast, I am not finished with you lot yet. I am ordering with immediate effect a thorough search of the ship. We need to look in every hook and corner for clues about the Sith. I believe there are artifacts on this ship which might give us certain clues about what this is all about. Now go and find me some clues people. You have until 2300 hours GMT+1. I want results!!”

Two of the assembled crew members made a hasty look at each other and an unnoticed hand signal passed between them.
The crew went their way and was met by the Knights carrying a frozen and dead Lar Le’Ung on a stretcher. They were heading for the morgue.

Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Monday 26th of April (roughly 24 hours from my voting ended post and 22,5 hours from this post )


Tally:

Greyblades: 5 (Diana, johnhugh, Secura, Subotan, TinCow)

Psychonaut: 3 (Greyblades, Kage, Niklas)
Niklas: 2 (Chaotix, Yaropolk)
White_Eyes:D: 2 (ATPG, Diamondeye)
Diamondeye: 1 (Renata)
johnhughthom: 1 (Split)

Abstaining: 1 (GH)
Not voting: 8 (atheotes, autolycus, AVSM, Centurion1, Choxorn, pever, Psychonaut, WE:D)


Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray

Force Ghost:

Chaotix

Alive:

A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
Kagemusha
Choxorn
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Secura
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

[naut]

*slowl claps* Well done town you killed me and I have to say you are a good bunch of players for you see I am realy... an initiate, congratulations town you failed spectacularly.
I'm sorry if you really were. But, simply, if you play so scummily you're bound to get votes. :shrug:

[White_eyes:D]

Better is to lynch someone we can see is acting self-conscious and nervous, like White_Eyes. Remember, if he's calm, cool, and collected, he can only be mafia scum. I had fuzzy feelings when I started reading this....do you really think so Pizzaguy?:laugh4: if you really think that way, I well gladly be the next lynch. Your such a flatterer...:kiss:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had fuzzy feelings when I started reading this....do you really think so Pizzaguy?:laugh4: if you really think that way, I well gladly be the next lynch. Your such a flatterer...:kiss:

I believe you're more careful and cautious as mafia.

When you're townie, if we lynch you because you were acting out then you can go "I told you so" and laugh at us, it's no big deal to you. Then the team let you down, not the other way around. When you're mafia, if we lynch you because you were acting out, then you're being lynched for your behavior and you let your team down. So you try to avoid that.

You'll gladly be my next lynch, but you have no other comment except when you're being accused? Obviously you don't care who dies unless it's you.

[White_eyes:D]

I believe you're more careful and cautious as mafia.

When you're townie, if we lynch you because you were acting out then you can go "I told you so" and laugh at us, it's no big deal to you. Then the team let you down, not the other way around. When you're mafia, if we lynch you because you were acting out, then you're being lynched for your behavior and you let your team down. So you try to avoid that.

You'll gladly be my next lynch, but you have no other comment except when you're being accused? Obviously you don't care who dies unless it's you.Since when have I defending myself and said "Don't lynch me or I will say 'I told you so'?":inquisitive:

I am beyond thinking what town cares(after Shadow Fort)...I am just glad I got a compliment on my new mafia-play style...If you want to lynch me, just lynch me...don't beat around the bush and act like scum:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

White_Eyes:D: 2 (ATPG, Diamondeye)

I believe this shows my true feelings on the matter.

How am I either beating around the bush or acting like scum? And how is it a compliment to be called out as not even trying to lynch mafia scum with your non-votes, only showing up to defend yourself and otherwise contribute nothing? I hope you are scum, because I give you a zero star rating as townie at the moment.

[White_eyes:D]

Whatever floats you boat:shrug:

[Husar]

I guess the fail must be just as much on my part for mis-reading how people would react. Sorry.
Don't worry, I think it's got more to do with it being a Sunday.


I do but if I said it out loud I'd be banned.
Gosh I had no idea bashing people for failing felt so cathartic no wonder trolls do it.
Well, the way you behaved really looked weird, especially when Psycho pointed it all out in one post.
You can't just go on posting fluff and hardly contributing and then call everyone stupid for not knowing what only you and the Sith know 100%.
If you cannot keep up with large mafia games at all, maybe not joining them is the better option compared to creating misunderstandings and not really participating?

[Beskar]

If it means anything, I didn't think you was a Sith, Greyblades.

[pevergreen]

If it means anything, I didn't think you was a Sith, Greyblades.

Neither did I, but you were certainly being angry enough that I don't mind that you were lynched.

[Diana Abnoba]

I think we need to hear from Centurion1 and AVSM. I wonder why Jolt was WOG'd and replaced with a total of 12 posts (granted most were the 1st few phases), but Centurion1 (with 5 posts) and AVSM (with 2 posts) were not? Also Yaropolk seems quiet, need to hear more from you, but Johnhughthom seems esp. quiet to me, he is usually more talkative.
I don't know, probably nothing to this, but at least it may get them talking, and help focus the starting point for this phase.

[TinCow]

Neither did I, but you were certainly being angry enough that I don't mind that you were lynched.

FOS: pevergreen :stare:

[Subotan]

Well, the way you behaved really looked weird, especially when Psycho pointed it all out in one post.
You can't just go on posting fluff and hardly contributing and then call everyone stupid for not knowing what only you and the Sith know 100%.
I have to agree with this. Assuming Sith are revealed upon death, that is the scummiest I have ever seen a townie play. You can't expect to just keep your head above the WOG line, post vague "analysis" and wagon-jump and then call everyone stupid for making the mistake of lynching you when you were obviously town.

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry If I'm being a donkey but it is realy frustrating when your actions are taken in the exact opposite of what I intended. Did noone even consider that if I was mafia I wouldnt have been acting so carelessly? And realy the amount of times I said I was confused and was going to lurk until things die down did noone even consider it was true even when I was acting the exact same way in the inishmore game?

[Subotan]

That's a WIFOM that seems more likely to indicate a careless mafia than an innocent townie, and that's also metagaming.

[Greyblades]

That's a WIFOM that seems more likely to indicate a careless mafia than an innocent townie, and that's also metagaming.

Yes because only mafia use WIFOM's.

[Subotan]

Maybe not, but there's no reason why a vanilla townie would.

[pevergreen]

FOS: pevergreen :stare:
wut.

Did noone even consider that if I was mafia I wouldnt have been acting so carelessly?

OK, wow, pointless statement. Mayhaps you slipped up? I've done worse and thought it was rational while anti town.


Maybe not, but there's no reason why a vanilla townie would.

Again, WIFOM has been pointed out and people have used it by mistake. It depends on how you are thinking when you type the post.

[johnhughthom]

Johnhughthom seems esp. quiet to me, he is usually more talkative.

Really? I've always thought I was a quiet player.

Two reasons I've been less active than I should, I was hosting my own game during the first few phases of this and I've been very busy in work the last few weeks.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Maybe not, but there's no reason why a vanilla townie would.

Yes, there is. To confuse the mafia.

Also, I agree with Greyblades that it's hard to keep up with the thread when you have to go through 4-5 pages of posts everyday and most posts are just some one-liners or posts that actually could be edited into one post(Yes, Renata, I'm looking at you)!

[pevergreen]

Do what I do. If when you come back there is more than a page (i use 80 ppp, so if you're on default, 3 pages) either just skip them or just go through and search for any mention of you.

I've been trying that strat out this game, seems to be working.

edit: actually, i don't know.

I'll be lynched/killed off in the next phase or two, as usual. Never lasted to the end of a game. :beam:

[Diamondeye]

HoS: White_Eyes:D

[Greyblades]

Ok I think I've calmed down now. I was town just went a little nuts trying to keep up. Sigurd if you need a replacement I'm up for it.

[Subotan]

Yes, there is. To confuse the mafia.
The mafia know who is scum, and who is not.

[Greyblades]

True but a wifom can be used to keep a mafia from decerning any special roles like protectors.

[Subotan]

Ah, so you mean taking the bullet for a town role? But that would mean claiming as a pro-town role, not acting in a manner similar to a mafioso.

[Sigurd]

Round 8

Day


The Jedi crew of the Star Destroyer searched the ship from stern to aft looking in every crook and corner for something that would indicate what they were up against. They searched every cabin, storage area, vehicle, space craft, weapon cache and turret. Even the life pods didn’t go unturned. They came up nearly empty handed. At the end of the day a few Padawans had wandered into a secluded storage area where they had found an empty room with a singe dais in the middle. They had pried loose the plaque from the dais and returned to Qui-Gon Jinn with the plaque.


https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/HolocronPlaque4.png


“This is exactly what we were looking for. This is the evidence that reveals to us our true enemies.” Qui-Gon were pacing back and forth with the plaque in hand. Something must have been on that dais, something important enough for two of us to go and remove it and hide it. No doubt they had the item on them during the search but now that we are finished, it is hidden again.” It was very late and they had worked all day and were quite tired.

Atris the beautiful Padawan that every one of the male crew members were drooling over was returning to her quarters. She had a fright this morning finding Corran Horn dead outside her cabin. She wasn’t too confident about her security. When she reached her cabin she looked nervously to either side of the hallway, but saw nothing in the darkness. A dark and raspy laughter boomed through the hallway and she turned, backside to the cabin door. She saw nothing… A crimson beam was suddenly lit in a crook just opposite her cabin and a figure shrouded in a dark cloak stepped out into the hallway. She was about to scream when the cloaked figure with lightening speed speared the lightsaber through her throat and into and through the cabin door, The cloaked figure swiftly withdrew the crimson plasma blade and Atris slumped to the floor dying. The cloaked figure rasped: “I am sorry sweet one, but you were beginning to be a nuisance.”

Micah Giiett returned to his quarters, happy as ever. He was the kind of person that was carefree, never taking in things too serious. He skipped along the hallway whistling on a childhood tune that his mother always sang to him.
He neared his quarters when he felt an odd sensation. It was like the air from his lungs were drained from him and he no longer had the willpower to refill them. He collapsed on the floor, his face going blue. A cloaked being came walking up the hallway, amber glowing eyes under a cowl. With hatred in voice it decleared: “Micah, I do not like that tune particularly well. Please refrain from whistling it again. Well, I’ll make sure you don’t .. Hahhahhahahahah!!!!” And with those words the cloaked figure made a gesture and crushed Micah’s throat.

Belth Allusis returned to his quarters when he met up with a fellow Jedi. They walked together a little while discussing the resent events, when the other fellow Jedi suddenly made a gesture. Belth went blank and sagged to the floor unconscious. His life vitals were reduced to a bare minimum to keep his body alive. The fellow Jedi hurried back the way they had walked.

A person walked along the hallway towards the cabin of Atris. He saw the body that lay slumped under the cabin door and rushed to it. When he saw that it was in fact Atris with a gaping hole in her throat, he made a grimace. Not Atris… that wasn’t fair. He vowed that whoever was responsible would pay dearly for this meaningless slaughter of a young and defenseless youth.

Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force was meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.

The night finally ended and the Jedi crew was yet again reduced by two members.
Belth Allusis had woke up in the hallway with a pounding headacke but was present at the morning meeting when Qui-Gonn Jinn entered. ”We are dealing with the Sith and they are two in number and they sit here among us. Find them using your craftiness and power of discussion. I am confident that you will find at least one of them today. Oh and before I go, Keyan Farlander has been promoted to the rank of Padawan. Congratulations!!!"

vote a candidate in the next 22,5 hours or so (voting ends at 23:00 GMT+1 Tuesday 27th of April)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura

Force Ghost:

Chaotix

Alive:

A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
Choxorn
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

[autolycus]

Niklas has been awfully quiet this time around. White_Eyes I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off of, but without a townie baseline of his to compare it to, I don't know whether that means anything. Therefore, vote:niklas, FoS: White_Eyes.

[Renata]

So you'd rather vote for quiet over "bad vibe"?

[atheotes]

I missed a couple of phases. I would have voted Greyblades anyway since he seemed very scummy to me as well.

The fact that Niklas has not been attacked and has become so quiet is bothering me as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas has been awfully quiet this time around. White_Eyes I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off of, but without a townie baseline of his to compare it to, I don't know whether that means anything. Therefore, vote:niklas, FoS: White_Eyes.

Vote: autolycus

Oh, I agree with your candidates. But, I think you're scummy as well, and I think I could be wrong about my candidates, and if so, those are the easy lynches and you went directly for them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: ATPG

Keeps restating the obvious in his own defense when it's entirely unnecessary ("I'm a female and no female has been recruited") too much. If you were town you wouldn't have been as self-focused.

[Chaotix]

Vote: white_eyes

Let's get pressure on white_eyes, autolycus, and Niklas, then we can decide over the course of this round which one is the scummiest.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: ATPG

Keeps restating the obvious in his own defense when it's entirely unnecessary ("I'm a female and no female has been recruited") too much. If you were town you wouldn't have been as self-focused.

Sure I would have. See any game where I'm town and I'm a big lynch target. Look at Mafia IX for gosh sake, it was your game! I practically talked about defending myself half of the game length.

You must be scum for ignoring that obvious example, right?

I hate being a wasted lynch, I put up a big struggle or I try to WIFOM-my way out of it. If you're going to lynch me do it early, because it is your late game lynches which don't need to be wasted on me simply because I'm ATPG and I have to be dead before the game is over.

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Niklas

Chaotix said to :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I cannot contain myself.

As investigated not-Sith I stand the highest chance out of all of you for not being Sith, and 100% chance of not being an original Sith. Drain my powers and you will see, there's not a whole lot to say about me. Your vote would be better placed on someone who has at least a chance of being an original Sith, GH. You've been barking up the wrong tree about me all game, now quit it. :whip:

[Centurion1]

ok so i keep catching up and then losing ground and then i say okay ill see how this develops before i vote. and thne i miss the vote and get behind again.

My attention is now on this fantastic game i should be paying better attention to.

vote: split

god said to :D

[pevergreen]

Woof.

Vote: Centurion1

Where is your god now?

[Centurion1]

unvote; vote: pevergreen

obviously hes not in Australia with you.

[pevergreen]

Nice use of OMGUS there, completely not needed.

[autolycus]

So you'd rather vote for quiet over "bad vibe"?

No, it's more, "I've played with niklas before, so I know he's quieter than usual, I don't know if White_Eyes is more scummy-feeling than usual because I haven't played with him"

Atpg, few people have been communicating with me outside the thread, the fact that my analysis of who seems off coincides with yours should not be surprising.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Centurion1 finally post again, but only after you're pointed out as not having enough posts, and should have been WOG'd by now. And on top of that, you pick one of the only players, that just replaced an inactive player that was WOG'd, and mafia have been active every phase. Very scummy!!

I also like the pressure on white_eyes, and Niklas, something is just off there.

[TinCow]

Do what I do. If when you come back there is more than a page (i use 80 ppp, so if you're on default, 3 pages) either just skip them or just go through and search for any mention of you.

I've been trying that strat out this game, seems to be working.

edit: actually, i don't know.

I'll be lynched/killed off in the next phase or two, as usual. Never lasted to the end of a game. :beam:

Total scum post. Please lynch pevergreen.

Vote: pevergreen

[Diana Abnoba]

It also looks like there was an investigation in the write up, if so, we need some way to communicate this info to the town. Maybe contact a proven townie and they can be your voice.

[atheotes]

It also looks like there was an investigation in the write up, if so, we need some way to communicate this info to the town. Maybe contact a proven townie and they can be your voice.

Chaotix is there as a voice if needed.

Vote: White_eyes

[Choxorn]

Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: White Eyes

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Atheotes

Yes, I agree, Chaotix is the perfect choice. Just didn't want to put him on the spot, if he didn't want it. (but it was what I was hinting to).

[Diana Abnoba]

Unvote; Vote: Niklas just to even the votes up, looks like a little bandwagon on White_eyes now, as of late.

[Secura]

Oh well... the thing I waited all game for to happen never came to pass.

Good luck town, you're going to need it. :3

[Diamondeye]

Vote: White_Eyes:D

FoS: atheotes (& TC, still)

Busy, omw to school in a minute. Will be back before update, hopefully.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Something is bothering me;

Chaotix is able to vote and is a dead proven townie. Apparently there are only two Sith due to the rather blatant "rule of two" from the writeup. Presumably the Sith can take on more apprentices when they die, but here you have a role that is kind of similar to the "indestructible townie" Bowser role in Council of Villains, and there you had oodles of mafia and it still was kind of imbalanced in the town's favor. Other than the recruitment, and possibility of avoiding detection by investigation, I don't see a lot of advantages the Sith have. Ordinarily this would be a cause for celebration, but I don't believe Sigurd makes games that are too imbalanced, especially here where the town has greater freedom than usual to share information. The Sith have some kind of trump card, and I am bothered that I can't come up with a balancing scenario here. I can't think of a power or skill that would realistically balance the game in this situation.

A possibility of avoiding the lynch is one, but that's our main anti-mafia tool. I don't believe that's a good solution. We already saw that Beskar had that skill, and he could possibly turn Sith. Maybe that was the balancing aspect and it didn't come about. At the same time, I am seeing no progress other than a reduction of suspects. One would think that with the considerable advantages we're being afforded in terms of skills and roles, we would be doing better.

I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.

[pevergreen]

Total scum post. Please lynch pevergreen.

Vote: pevergreen

y so srs?

[Subotan]

Vote:autolycus

Just to balance things out.

[naut]

Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.
Good theory. Except one thing:






Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force was meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.
This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.

[Niklas]

Niklas has been awfully quiet this time around. White_Eyes I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off of, but without a townie baseline of his to compare it to, I don't know whether that means anything. Therefore, vote:niklas, FoS: White_Eyes.

No, it's more, "I've played with niklas before, so I know he's quieter than usual, I don't know if White_Eyes is more scummy-feeling than usual because I haven't played with him"
This is such a blatant lie that I can't help wonder what your motives are. Let's look at the facts, shall we?
* This will be my 50th post in this thread. You have 17.
* In the last game we played together, civplayah's "Siege of Evermore (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=358299)", we were mafia together. You had a total of 30 posts in that thread, I had 14 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=358299). I was lynched the day before you were vig'd.
* In the game we played together before that, TheForestAuro's "It's a long story (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=352702)", we were rival cultists. You were killed night 1, I was killed day 5. You had 9 posts, I had 11 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=352702) (at CFC, the dead can't talk until the game is over).

Who is the one that is "quieter than usual" here? In fact, I would say I'm more talkative than usual in this game, much because I'm enjoying it a lot. I'm not claiming any conclusions can be drawn from that fact, or from your relative silence, even if that does make me wonder now that I've checked the facts. What I am claiming is that you calling me out for being silent is an outright and deliberate lie. As you say, you've "played with Niklas before", which means you are well aware that what you claim isn't true.

FoS: autolycus. Luckily for you I have bigger fish to fry.


I missed a couple of phases. I would have voted Greyblades anyway since he seemed very scummy to me as well.

The fact that Niklas has not been attacked and has become so quiet is bothering me as well.
Now that's a whole different beast! I've spent a very nice weekend in the company of good friends and great weather, so my computer time has been naturally limited over the past few days. Yesterday I was around some, there just wasn't a whole lot to post about, being night phase and all. I did communicate via other channels though, so it's just a matter of perception. I'm still here, just as charming and talkative as ever.

As for "has not been attacked", that's a rather strange, and in my eyes suspicious, statement. None of us alive (except Chaotix) have been attacked - why would I be a bigger target than, for instance, yourself? You have soft-claimed a power role, I have not. That's the second case of pointing fingers at me for something that would be even more applicable to the accuser (autolycus being the first case). The one I truly wonder about it Psychonaut though, who has made a hard claim of a power role, with (vague) investigative powers, yet still lives.


Vote: Centurion1 finally post again, but only after you're pointed out as not having enough posts, and should have been WOG'd by now. And on top of that, you pick one of the only players, that just replaced an inactive player that was WOG'd, and mafia have been active every phase. Very scummy!!

I also like the pressure on white_eyes, and Niklas, something is just off there.
Such as my constant hounding of you? OMGUS on me? In any case I'm glad to see you more active now.

I do agree with your assessment of Centurion1 though, I too wonder why he was not WOG'd.


Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.
This.


I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.
This has been bothering me as well. We have had a lot of powers working in our favor, yet we (at least to my knowledge) have achieved very little in terms of actually using those powers. With only two mafia in a game with 40 players, there must be something more to it. Recruitment is one possibility, but that's very difficult to balance.


This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.
You sound as if this was somehow an obvious conclusion, yet to me it sounds quite contrived. In fact, I'm going to call your lie.

First, we have no previous indications that being called to the holocron means forfeiting your normal actions. In fact we have quite strong indications of the contrary, through Beskar. He was called to the holocron on the same night that he investigated ATPG, which I'm sure he would gladly confirm. Psychonaut lies.

Second, you just told everyone, publically, that you have just become even more powerful than you were. With no apparent concern for your own safety, and with no real pressure on you to reveal this fact.

This is just on top of everything else that's been off about you for quite some time. It's quite clear to me that I should once again vote: Psychonaut.

Current tally:

White_eyes 4: (Chaotix, ateotes, Yaropolk, Diamondeye)
Niklas 3: (autolycus, split, Diana)
Psychonaut 2: (Choxorn, Niklas)
pevergreen 2: (Centurion1, TinCow)
autolycus 2: (ATPG, Subotan)
ATPG 1: (GeneralH)
Centurion1 1: (pever)

[naut]

You sound as if this was somehow an obvious conclusion, yet to me it sounds quite contrived. In fact, I'm going to call your lie.

First, we have no previous indications that being called to the holocron means forfeiting your normal actions. In fact we have quite strong indications of the contrary, through Beskar. He was called to the holocron on the same night that he investigated ATPG, which I'm sure he would gladly confirm. Psychonaut lies.

Second, you just told everyone, publically, that you have just become even more powerful than you were. With no apparent concern for your own safety, and with no real pressure on you to reveal this fact.

This is just on top of everything else that's been off about you for quite some time. It's quite clear to me that I should once again vote: Psychonaut.


During the night you awake suddenly and startled you find yourself in an upright position on the bunk. There was something or someone calling out to you.
You get out of the bunk and settle down on the deck in your cabin and place yourself in a meditative sitting position. As you begin the familiar thought processes which will calm you, you hear it again, but this time stronger.
You open your eyes and then the impression is gone. You close your eyes again and find the familiar yet allusive presence there. But amazingly it is this presence who calls out to you. You dare not reach out to it as you have done many times before, because it has always been out of reach. As you contemplate these feelings, despite previous experience, you do reach out to it and it is receptive. It fills you with joy and a burning sensation in your bosom and you have never felt more peace or happiness before. Tears are streaming down your cheeks as you embrace this mystic yet familiar power.
It calls out to you to go somewhere. You get up and let it lead you to a place where a Holocron sits on a dais. As you place your hands on it, a resonance vibrates in your very being. Strong emotions flow over you and you hear instructions.

Would you like some cream to go with your humble pie? Or should we lynch you? Constantly trying to lynch pro-town roles = scum.

[Niklas]

Would you like some cream to go with your humble pie?
I'm sorry but I don't feel very humble, and you just stepped in it even further.

I never questioned whether you had been called to the holocron - what I questioned was whether that in itself could serve as an alibi of any sorts. Beskar was called to the holocron, yet he could still act that same night. Many others have been called, no one has tried to use that as an alibi before you. And also, as I pointed out, you had absolutely no reason to reveal to the public that you had become more powerful. You were not under any real pressure to do so.

Now you wave a PM in my face, as if that PM is further proof of anything. Yes, it proves that you have been summoned to the holocron (on some night, I'm certainly willing to believe it was tonight), but nowhere does it say anything about overriding your normal actions, which was what I questioned. And also, since PM quoting is allowed in this game, I find it very hard to take a PM as proof of anything at all. I'm quite certain the Sith have received similar "cover PMs" to go with their cover roles. Something I'm sure you have considered as well, yet you expect us not to?


Or should we lynch you? Constantly trying to lynch pro-town roles = scum.
OMGIS! Seriously, you can do better than that. I am not trying to lynch a pro-town role - I am trying to lynch someone I very strongly believe is claiming a pro-town role, but whose words just don't add up. Yes, I realize I have a "history" with trying to have Beskar lynched, feel free to go back and review all my reasons for wanting to do so. I also realize just how much attention I'm bringing to myself by calling you out now. I could have just gone with the flow and OMGUS-voted autolycus instead, which would also have been wiser if I just wanted to lessen the pressure on myself. Instead I'm sticking my neck out, because I genuinely believe you to be a lying scum.

[TinCow]

Something is bothering me;

Chaotix is able to vote and is a dead proven townie. Apparently there are only two Sith due to the rather blatant "rule of two" from the writeup. Presumably the Sith can take on more apprentices when they die, but here you have a role that is kind of similar to the "indestructible townie" Bowser role in Council of Villains, and there you had oodles of mafia and it still was kind of imbalanced in the town's favor. Other than the recruitment, and possibility of avoiding detection by investigation, I don't see a lot of advantages the Sith have. Ordinarily this would be a cause for celebration, but I don't believe Sigurd makes games that are too imbalanced, especially here where the town has greater freedom than usual to share information. The Sith have some kind of trump card, and I am bothered that I can't come up with a balancing scenario here. I can't think of a power or skill that would realistically balance the game in this situation.

A possibility of avoiding the lynch is one, but that's our main anti-mafia tool. I don't believe that's a good solution. We already saw that Beskar had that skill, and he could possibly turn Sith. Maybe that was the balancing aspect and it didn't come about. At the same time, I am seeing no progress other than a reduction of suspects. One would think that with the considerable advantages we're being afforded in terms of skills and roles, we would be doing better.

I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.

You're missing complete cover role PMs and the fact that the starting power roles are mainly dead. The power of the unlynchable pro-town post-death voter is counteracted by the fact that they cannot form a secure network by reveals. It also does not access to a full range of detectives, etc. because of the deaths of Beskar and Chaotix, who had a large number of pro-town powers.


y so srs?

Why so flippant? You post pretty frequently, proving solidly that you are paying constant attention to the game, but contribute absolutely nothing of substance. Quite the opposite actually; your posts are totally worthless, most being jokes or casual conversation. Here's a sample of your wonderful contributions:


pretty sure i did with the whole

"If you keep this network thing, i'm gonna keep going after you" or whatever i said.


lol


Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.



Actually, bored tbh.


WoG'd in my game due to inactivity.


GH: Oh hai khaaaan
khaan: GH how are you?
GH: Absolutely not fabolous.
khaan: Ooooooooh nooooo, what happened?
GH: Andres, would you believe it, totally just tried to message me privately. I was all like 'not in this house mister!'
khaan: Ooooh that lawyer is mine now, can I get him baby?
GH: Oooh you're so hot when you're angry
khaan: I need you so much right now.

etc etc


:grin2:


Already said this, and he got wog'd at least 24 hours ago. :wink:


Neither did I, but you were certainly being angry enough that I don't mind that you were lynched.


wut.


OK, wow, pointless statement. Mayhaps you slipped up? I've done worse and thought it was rational while anti town.



Again, WIFOM has been pointed out and people have used it by mistake. It depends on how you are thinking when you type the post.


Do what I do. If when you come back there is more than a page (i use 80 ppp, so if you're on default, 3 pages) either just skip them or just go through and search for any mention of you.

I've been trying that strat out this game, seems to be working.

edit: actually, i don't know.

I'll be lynched/killed off in the next phase or two, as usual. Never lasted to the end of a game. :beam:


Woof.

Vote: Centurion1

Where is your god now?


Nice use of OMGUS there, completely not needed.


y so srs?

Actually, I lied... that wasn't a sample... that was ALL of your posts for the past 5 days. You're posting constantly without any substance of any kind.

[naut]

I'm sorry but I don't feel very humble, and you just stepped in it even further.
:huh:


And also, as I pointed out, you had absolutely no reason to reveal to the public that you had become more powerful. You were not under any real pressure to do so.
How about I knew that if I didn't die last night it would be because the Sith still harbour hopes that they can lynch me. So... I'm trying to draw them out into the open. And you sir, have walked into my trap. :wacko:


OMGIS! Seriously, you can do better than that. I am not trying to lynch a pro-town role - I am trying to lynch someone I very strongly believe is claiming a pro-town role, but whose words just don't add up.
:laugh4:


I could have just gone with the flow and OMGUS-voted autolycus instead, which would also have been wiser if I just wanted to lessen the pressure on myself. Instead I'm sticking my neck out, because I genuinely believe you to be a lying scum.
Hollow, hollow words.

[TinCow]

Let's go back even further on pevergreen. Someone stop me if you see any contribution that would indicate ANY kind of effort towards helping the town:


Remember my big post in Mafia?

Yeah. I used to hang out in the top 5 posters. I'm working my way back up to that, hoping to reach it by the time Settlement 2 comes along, where I'll be taking the ferry over to shelbyville, because I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I had to take the ferry to morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville in those days. I had an onion tied to my belt, because it was the style at the time. We couldn't get white ones because of the war, so I had a big yellow one. Anyway, back then the ferry cost a nickel. "Gimme five bees for a quarter" you'd say.

Anyway, the important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, since it was the style at the time.


Do you have a green lightsaber?


Vote: Chaotix

Seemingly random vote straight after night ends on perhaps the most innocent person in the game.

Plus he is mafia.

That or OMGUS.


HUrrrrrrr.
/thread


Nuh uh, its how you use it. :wink:


Yeah I kinda skimmed over page 12. As per usual, didn't really read the write up.


Well...count yourself lucky chum. Cause if you were alive, I woulda got you. I woulda got you so hard, you'd be really got.


Thats just silly.

I've a good mind to go for you after Beskar.


As my favourite fictional TV character based on a real life criminal, and that I've seen the actor in person and taken a picture of with friends, Mark 'Chopper' Read says:

Settle the :daisy: down. Here eat this, pretend its got kids in it or something.

Hands Beskar a Sumo Salad.

Aww here you go, have a bite of Neville Tomatos.


Vote: Beskar


What about Peter the Hutt?

Raja naba dooa goola wookie nipple pinchy


Ooooh, someone brought their grumpy pants.

Spoiled for offtopic

As I recall, it was 6000 men, who were assaulted by 16000 enemies and lost, so they retreated rather than take 2 years to get to any strength. Your 19000+ army stood beseiging a single province while I died. You then managed to lose to him when you outnumbered him and started losing territory, I came from behind with 12000 men, leaving my entire kingdom defenceless and took their lands, then wiped out their armies and then helped you against the second aggressors who were going around. I then made peace with them leaving you by that point, with a few thousand men vs none of theirs and 3 provinces to siege. I gifted you everything I took and you just had to fight rebels, my dear friend. 20 or so years in, you're up a number of provinces, I'm up nothing, and I'm poorer for it.


Be nice, or I'll tell all the people about how incredible you are at Europa Universalis 3.

Ok, I'll stop there... because there's no point in continuing. Those are ALL of his posts over the previous 10 days... no omissions, no edits. pevergreen has a very decent post count (42) in this game, much higher than is normal for him, but he has not made one single post of substance. He is paying a good deal of attention to this game, but is not making ANY effort to help the town. Please lynch him.

[pevergreen]

Why so flippant? You post pretty frequently, proving solidly that you are paying constant attention to the game, but contribute absolutely nothing of substance. Quite the opposite actually; your posts are totally worthless, most being jokes or casual conversation. Here's a sample of your wonderful contributions:

Actually, I lied... that wasn't a sample... that was ALL of your posts for the past 5 days. You're posting constantly without any substance of any kind.

Yup, there a problem with that?

You can hardly argue that when I play srs that I'm useful to the town. I'm not aware of any situation in which I made a decent case against anyone, let alone a mafioso.

[Kagemusha]

Oh someone decided to take both Sasaki and me out of the equation during two successive nights. Hmm who could have thought doing that.Have to think a bit about it. But right now how i feel about certain players. Psychonaut a clear lynch bait. pevergreen is just himself, basically background noice. Two players that need lot closer examination are Renata and Niklas. If you look behind they have possessed information that in Sith hands would have caused death of pro town players, which also happened. They both were driving to lynch Beskar at certain point and now Niklas is pushing for Psycho´s lynch, which seems like a obvious bate to lynch a pro town role.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with lynching pevergreen.

[pevergreen]

I agree with lynching pevergreen.

You would Sithaki Kojiro

[naut]

Oh someone decided to take both Sasaki and me out of the equation during two successive nights. Hmm who could have thought doing that.Have to think a bit about it. But right now how i feel about certain players. Psychonaut a clear lynch bait. pevergreen is just himself, basically background noice.
:yes:


Two players that need lot closer examination are Renata and Niklas. If you look behind they have possessed information that in Sith hands would have caused death of pro town players, which also happened. They both were driving to lynch Beskar at certain point and now Niklas is pushing for Psycho´s lynch, which seems like a obvious bate to lynch a pro town role.
Hmm. Niklas, could be sincere, I really can't tell, I don't have any good gut feelings on him. And Renata, if it is her, well she's doing an excellent job at playing me a fool. I certainly hope it is not.

And on the draining that appears to have occurred last night, can Qui-Gon please contact Choatix so he can post the results, please.

Edit -


And also, as I pointed out, you had absolutely no reason to reveal to the public that you had become more powerful. You were not under any real pressure to do so.
Also, I have no reason to sneak around in the shadows. I am a revealed pro-town role, I have already come forward with a claim, so the Sith can attack me any time they like, I neither gain nor lose anything by stating what occurred during a night phase.

[Subotan]

I notice that PEVERGREEN is not trying particulary hard to dismiss the concerns we have about him.

Vote:PEVERGREEN

Lets get him to work up a sweat

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Subotan

And this little mafioso said "we, we, we" all the way home.

[Renata]

@ Kagemusha --

Despite that you're FOS-ing me I think that examining the suspicions of influential (and dead) players like you and Sasaki would be useful, Kage, and I'd appreciate if you would do so.

Also please go and check your facts -- Niklas was pushing to lynch Beskar, but I never did. I was suspicious for a while after Methos' death, but never voted him.

Finally, about Psychonaut, and not just in reference to you: EVERYBODY please think about this for a moment before going off and knee-jerk voting anyone for openly questioning Psychonaut. Psychonaut has survived three nights so far as a revealed investigator-of-sorts. That's pushing as long as Beskar lived, and Psychonaut doesn't have the mitigating circumstances that Beskar had as regards avoiding attacks:
1. Beskar claimed a role that it's easy to believe could be Sith, something that surely contributed to his being lynch-bait pretty much every day he was alive. Psychonaut claims Obi-Wan Kenobi. Much more difficult psychologically to lynch Obi-Wan than Count Dooku.
1a. And in fact Psychonaut, unlike Beskar, has not thus far been in any lynch danger since his claim.
1b. Which makes it less plausible that he's been left alive just so he can be lynched.
2. Beskar's death (and Methos', not to mention also Chaotix') should have removed any queasiness the Sith may have had about attacking pro-town roles. Hesitation on that count is also not very plausible.
3. It's not like Psychonaut is not dangerous, if he is town. He may have turned up little of any value thus far, but that could change at any moment. He's clearly dangerous enough to want dead.

Now as regards Niklas (and me, at times; and Choxorn, today) pushing for Psychonaut to be lynched -- give me a plausible motivation for the Sith to do such a thing, please. If Psychonaut is town, then the Sith know it perfectly well -- why should they stick their necks out to make fallacious arguments against him when they can just kill him at night? It's a null tell at best.

[naut]

I'm slightly concerned about Yaropolk. He said he was on vacation last week with minimal access, and his posting attests to that. However, now that he's back, why is he still posting minimally?

pever maybe yes, maybe no. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

autolycus is a decent target, he's made a soft claim yes? And Chaotix knows he can't be one of the remaining masters. If he was really town he'd claim here and now in thread.

White_eyes:D has also made a soft claim. Chaotix didn't he reveal to you, what has made you change your mind?

The Renata - Niklas link is an intriguing one Kage. If I had more time I would look back through the thread to see how they have interacted with one another. This piqued my interest though:

So you'd rather vote for quiet over "bad vibe"?
A protection of Niklas, but nothing to write an essay on, just a snippet of interest. I don't think she'd be so blatant as to go after me in a lynch today, far too obvious. But, intriguing none the less.

[Renata]

vote: White_eyes

Winston had a theory dating back to day one that White_eyes might be the sort of player who would kill Husar, and I think that might be worth following up on, finally. I still harbor some hope that some investigator will eventually get around to checking out Psychonaut, because regardless of any suspicions I think it's going to be nearly impossible to lynch Obi-Wan Kenobi without that sort of proof.

[Renata]

I like to be intriguing, Psychonaut. Especially to suspected Sith.

Also, I've been protective of Niklas for days. I think he's innocent. No secret there.

[Subotan]

And this little mafioso said "we, we, we" all the way home.
I'm not the only townie who finds PEVERGREEN's comments disconcerting, ATPG.

[pevergreen]

I notice that PEVERGREEN is not trying particulary hard to dismiss the concerns we have about him.

Vote:PEVERGREEN

Lets get him to work up a sweat

1. lol

I'm not the only townie who finds PEVERGREEN's comments disconcerting, ATPG.

2. Dude, I've asked you multiple times in multiple threads and I hoped you would take the hint after the last game. Stop it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not the only townie who finds PEVERGREEN's comments disconcerting, ATPG.

No, but I've looked over your posts for this game, and you do an excessive amount of talking about "we" and "fellow townies", just like CDF did in TheFlax's Mass Effect game.

Besides, pevergreen acts like this all the time. You're a vulture hovering over the easy lynches. And this is scummy behavior. Now, you must die.

[Subotan]

Alright, but only because you helped me with the balancing of my mafia game.

[pevergreen]

Besides, pevergreen acts like this all the time.

Like i was saying, I needed a new heel for my shoe, so i took the ferry over to shelbyv-

[Renata]

Regarding the write-up from last night, obviously "Belth Allusis" was visited by Qui-Gon Jinn, but who visited Atris (Kagemusha)?

Edited so as not to spam:


autolycus is a decent target, he's made a soft claim yes? And Chaotix knows he can't be one of the remaining masters. If he was really town he'd claim here and now in thread.

If he has made a soft claim I'm not aware of it. Link?

[Subotan]

No, but I've looked over your posts for this game, and you do an excessive amount of talking about "we" and "fellow townies", just like CDF did in TheFlax's Mass Effect game.

By that logic, anyone who refers to the town in the third person or as "you guys" must be innocent.


Besides, pevergreen acts like this all the time.
That has absolutely no bearing on whether he was originally chosen by random.org to be mafia, and actually makes him a more attractive target for the mafia to recruit.

[naut]

No, but I've looked over your posts for this game, and you do an excessive amount of talking about "we" and "fellow townies", just like CDF did in TheFlax's Mass Effect game.

Besides, pevergreen acts like this all the time. You're a vulture hovering over the easy lynches. And this is scummy behavior. Now, you must die.
Hey. ATPG, you know who he reminds me of... Myself in Family Guy Mafia and I was the Mafia in that game.


Now as regards Niklas (and me, at times; and Choxorn, today) pushing for Psychonaut to be lynched -- give me a plausible motivation for the Sith to do such a thing, please.
Easy. To discredit me. Even in death after a murder I am a useful asset. Because anything I have claimed and stated gains credence.


If Psychonaut is town, then the Sith know it perfectly well -- why should they stick their necks out to make fallacious arguments against him when they can just kill him at night? It's a null tell at best.
Partially untrue. They are not going to go out on a limb to push through a vote, but they will keep a player around for as long as they think there is a chance of them being lynched by an over-zealous town. However, as soon as the town decides, no in fact this person is telling the truth, they will kill them. Even if it means they are allowed to perform actions for slightly longer than would have been possible had they been taken out upon first notice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

5a. It appears that we have a "Godfather" of our own.

And as Shadow Fort shows, useless and borderline dangerous if we're dealing with a faction that can recruit [Assuming that the Sith can recruit, which is likely]

Hear hear! Once more into the meat grinder, fellow townies!

Seriously Pizza, this is terrible arguing. You're dimissing everything without addressing the concerns that we have about you....

Vote:ATPG

Wow guys, let's see who we've just lynched!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth_%28individual%29

Hoth's act of self-sacrifice saved the Galactic Republic (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic) and ended the Sith as a galactic threat for almost a thousand years.

GOOD JOB TEAM

So you're saying that we shouldn't be concerned if someone is revealed to be, say, Palpatine?

Hooray, let's all divulge our information to the trusted, honest and never convertible Beskar!

Also, we don't know who Mace Windu is, as he isn't trying to organise the town on the sole basis of "Hey guys I'm unlynchable trust me".

We shouldn't be confiding in anyone at all who isn't 100% pro-town. Anyone who isn't and suggests that we should be confiding in them alone should be treated with suspicion, as you rightly are.

Beskar has either gone rogue, or his network is severely compromised due to carelessness. Either way, we're going to get a Sith's head by the end of today.

Vote:Beskar

The only other possibility is that we have a very lucky Sith, which is unlikely.

Psycho, who should we be voting for then?

Now, we are now doing exactly that to Belisaurus. Sith-hide-much?

I want to hear GH's reply first before I'd feel confident to cast a vote for him, although he has a lot of questions to answer, so HoS:General Hankerchief

However, there is someone who is active and who has failed to address the concerns we have about him.

Vote:Thermal Mercury


What ARE you, the Borg Collective? Why are you so focused on including yourself in "we" all the time, in almost every single post?

Gotta love your excessively pro-town voting strategy of lynching everyone who is both powerful and innocent, too. You rock.



I agree with most of ATPG's analysis, apart from:


pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.

Or it might suggest that he has a pro-town role. :juggle2:

What happened to this, then? Thought pevergreen was pro-town, now he's scum, for the exact same behavior you were defending a couple rounds back?



All the claims that you make about my "suspiciousness" interestingly all apply to you. You accuse me of acting the same as I did in Mafia IX. Since I happen to know exactly how I acted in Mafia IX, let's take a look at my strategy.

I tried to coast by, keeping just above the "Soon-to-be-WOG'd" line.
Excusing my lack of posts with IRL events/metagaming.
Dismissing claims against me with inane comments, or disdain.
Not joining in the bandwagon on Chaotix, instead preferring some random other player, so it wouldn't look like I was trying too hard to stop a lynch on Chaotix.
One word posts to make it look like I was involved in the game and thinking really really hard about how to help the townies win.
Not providing any justification for my votes, referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for my line of thinking, thus ensuring that my comments, and therefore that I, would not come under any scrutiny.
Now, let's take a look at your posting record, for giggles.

Very small number of posts, given your reputation for being an active player.
Excusing that small number of posts with external events/metagaming
Dismissing concerns raised about you with disdain (See: The first analysis will do for me.)
Not joining in the bandwagon against 'Khaan, or the next most likely lynch (AVSM).
One word posts which make it look like you are involved in the game and thinking really really really hard about how to help us win (E.g. "Terrible")
Not providing any justification for your votes (See your vote for me whilst criticising Chaotix), referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for your line of thinking, thus ensuring that your comments, and therefore that you would not come under any scrutiny.
I don't know what the rest of the town thinks, but it looks to me like you are accusing me of behaving in a manner similar to my behaviours in Mafia IX in the hopes of defusing any criticism that might develop about your own posting style later in the game. I have resisted the temptation thus far to lodge a vote against your scummy behaviour for fear of your shrill cries of "OMGUS", but I now know exactly where my next vote is going tomorrow.

You're such a compassionate man, to hold back your awesome vote from people, and look how devastating it is when you finally vote for them. Dare I accuse Thermal, fellow townies? I don't know what you think, but I'll go along with whatever you suggest if you don't like my ideas.



I have to agree with this. Assuming Sith are revealed upon death, that is the scummiest I have ever seen a townie play. You can't expect to just keep your head above the WOG line, post vague "analysis" and wagon-jump and then call everyone stupid for making the mistake of lynching you when you were obviously town.

This is glorious stuff. :applause:

I think you've systematically brown-nosed every player here besides the WOGbait, then turned around and declared them scum whenever it was convenient.


Remember how awesomely pro-town pevergreen was? And how you agreed with my analysis? Well now pevergreen is obviously scum, and apparently so am I.

There's no analysis going on here, there's no thought process, all I see is you playing the Nintendo "we" until the joystick is broken. And declaring everything scum that is convenient for you at the time.

[naut]

There's no analysis going on here, there's no thought process, all I see is you playing the Nintendo "we" until the joystick is broken. And declaring everything scum that is convenient for you at the time.
:laugh4:

Edit -


If he has made a soft claim I'm not aware of it. Link?
Hmm. Maybe I'm confusing players. I'm certain I saw it mentioned though.

[naut]

Ok. My gut is decided. Vote: Subotan

See everyone in 7ish hours. :bow:

[Renata]

Please look, then; I thought I had a mental file with all of the dubious soft claims in it, and I don't remember Autolycus.


Partially untrue. They are not going to go out on a limb to push through a vote,

And yet Niklas has. And you're calling him scummy for it.

[naut]

Please look, then;
No time. I have work tomorrow, and I need sleep. You can surely search for any mention yourself, no?


And yet Niklas has. And you're calling him scummy for it.
Because, quite frankly. Yourself and Niklas, constantly jumping on my back is tedious. He may have tinge of scum, but not enough to warrant a vote. And you two seem to be working in tandem to discredit me, which is disconcerting.

Now, I really must sleep.

[pevergreen]

No time. I have work tomorrow, and I need sleep. You can surely search for any mention yourself, no?


Because, quite frankly. Yourself and Niklas, constantly jumping on my back is tedious. He may have tinge of scum, but not enough to warrant a vote. And you two seem to be working in tandem to discredit me, which is disconcerting.

Now, I really must sleep.

Sleep is for the weak. I'm going on 3-5 hours a night.

[atheotes]

Partially untrue. They are not going to go out on a limb to push through a vote, but they will keep a player around for as long as they think there is a chance of them being lynched by an over-zealous town. However, as soon as the town decides, no in fact this person is telling the truth, they will kill them. Even if it means they are allowed to perform actions for slightly longer than would have been possible had they been taken out upon first notice.

I tend to agree with this. The mafia might take out a known power role, even if he is a lynch bait, if he had damaging abilities. From whatever we know, Psycho's abilities are pretty much useless. The only use i can think of is - if he has named all 40 characters in the game - if someone claims a character outside the 40, that could be a cover role for mafia.

I was of the opinion, Renata knew more about Psycho's role after their conversation in the thread 3-4 rounds ago, which was supposed to be continued over PM. Apparently, she doesnt trust him claims. Perhaps Chaotix is the only one in a position to make a judgment.

[Renata]

No time. I have work tomorrow, and I need sleep. You can surely search for any mention yourself, no?

Well, you brought it up...

But I did search just now (17 posts doesn't take long), and there's nothing that remotely qualifies.

[Kagemusha]

ATPG´S case against Subotan is very convincing. Subotan comes up as drifting in together with the concensus of the town. Still his opinions about other players are not consistent. Best lynch candidate from what we have here i would say.

[TinCow]

pevergreen is just himself, basically background noice.


Besides, pevergreen acts like this all the time.

Both of you are incorrect. His posts may be as worthless as usual, but his post rate is much higher than normal. pevergreen is not normally this active, there is something off about him.

[Subotan]

What ARE you, the Borg Collective? Why are you so focused on including yourself in "we" all the time, in almost every single post?

I have made 62 posts, and you have posted 15 examples of me using the word we. That's not "almost every single post".


What happened to this, then? Thought pevergreen was pro-town, now he's scum, for the exact same behavior you were defending a couple rounds back?

I was unsure aboout pevergreen at that stage in the game. I thought his behaviour would change as the heat on him increased for acting so scummy, but it didn't (Or that he would reveal).


You're such a compassionate man, to hold back your awesome vote from people, and look how devastating it is when you finally vote for them. Dare I accuse Thermal, fellow townies? I don't know what you think, but I'll go along with whatever you suggest if you don't like my ideas.

That was a post made during a night phase.


This is glorious stuff. :applause:

I think you've systematically brown-nosed every player here besides the WOGbait, then turned around and declared them scum whenever it was convenient.


So you mean I've agreed with people who aren't posting suspiciously, and I have voted for people who are OMG SUBOTAN IS MAFIA SCUM


Remember how awesomely pro-town pevergreen was? And how you agreed with my analysis? Well now pevergreen is obviously scum, and apparently so am I.
And apparently, ATPG is always right. :rolleyes:

And if you look back at my posts, you'll see that I don't think you're scum.

[pevergreen]

Both of you are incorrect. His posts may be as worthless as usual, but his post rate is much higher than normal. pevergreen is not normally this active, there is something off about him.

I gave my reasons for that...they may have been 1200 posts ago, but I did.

[Husar]

I think we you should lynch Subotan, not going to say why exactly, just a hunch, ATPG also raises some good points, Kage agrees, what's stopping us you?

[TinCow]

I gave my reasons for that...they may have been 1200 posts ago, but I did.

What, this thing?


Remember my big post in Mafia?

Yeah. I used to hang out in the top 5 posters. I'm working my way back up to that, hoping to reach it by the time Settlement 2 comes along, where I'll be taking the ferry over to shelbyville, because I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I had to take the ferry to morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville in those days. I had an onion tied to my belt, because it was the style at the time. We couldn't get white ones because of the war, so I had a big yellow one. Anyway, back then the ferry cost a nickel. "Gimme five bees for a quarter" you'd say.

Anyway, the important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, since it was the style at the time.

That's your explanation... 'it's intentional'? That's not an explanation, it's an excuse. Why would you even care about how often you post if you have absolutely no intention of contributing to the game? No, I don't believe your explanation at all... it's just you attempting to explain away your excitement about having a mafia role.

This post is also worth noting:


Quite a few people go by random.org for the first round, could be Husar just got unlucky.

If it happened multiple games in a row, sure.

You guys werent around when Ultrawar had his string of luck.

An unusually specific attempt at figuring out what was going on, not at all consistent with the rest of your posts. It reads to me like you're trying to apologize for Husar's death by saying it wasn't a targeted hit.

[atheotes]

I think we you should lynch Subotan, not going to say why exactly, just a hunch, ATPG also raises some good points, Kage agrees, what's stopping us you?

What stopping me is - Whiteeyes was inactive. When he was about to be WOG'd he voted/posted, made a soft claim and went inactive again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

An unusually specific attempt at figuring out what was going on, not at all consistent with the rest of your posts. It reads to me like you're trying to apologize for Husar's death by saying it wasn't a targeted hit.

This is the part of your case that resonates with me.

It's a shame I think you're so scummy, TinCow. I'm torn on whether to believe you or not.

[Yaropolk]

unvote; vote: subotan based on husar and atpg fos.

Btw I'm taking in the caribbean sun for the rest of the week, not back yet, so please don't base a case on my level of activity.

[TinCow]

It's a shame I think you're so scummy, TinCow. I'm torn on whether to believe you or not.

If you think I'm "so scummy", why have you never pursued a case against me?

[Kagemusha]

If you think I'm "so scummy", why have you never pursued a case against me?

Maybe you are being monitored?

[Beskar]

This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.

Lie. It doesn't affect your ability to do other actions, at least it didn't with me.

[autolycus]

I'm still getting scummy vibes from niklas and white_eyes, but a trustworthy source suspects pevergreen, so unvote:niklas, vote: pevergreen.

[Beskar]

Actually, I highly suggest you kill Niklas. I had some information a while ago, which TinCow knew about when he was making his case against Niklas. I had this verified by a couple of people recently, and it also explains the death of Mace Windu after he just revealed to both Renata and Niklas.

I am a reliable dead pro-town, I have no motive in lying, I urge you to reconsider and vote: Niklas.

[Renata]

vote: Niklas

I'm sorry, you deserve better than this. You played a ballsy game, and I hate that it's ended this way. And I'm not just saying that because you fooled me so badly, or because I'll most likely be lynched next. Kudos, Niklas.

[atheotes]

fair enough...i would like to see the actual case.
unvote, vote: Niklas

[Secura]

I can second this.

[Methos]

Actually, I highly suggest you kill Niklas. I had some information a while ago, which TinCow knew about when he was making his case against Niklas. I had this verified by a couple of people recently, and it also explains the death of Mace Windu after he just revealed to both Renata and Niklas.

I am a reliable dead pro-town, I have no motive in lying, I urge you to reconsider and vote: Niklas.

I agree with Beskar and I can confirm the information he has with email logs. Unfortunately, I hate to say what the info is as I'm not happy with how we obtained it. It was nothing that was against the rules, just a slip up Niklas made elsewhere.

The problem is, its out and it can't be put back in, so I agree that the Dark Lord Niklas needs to be put down.

[Methos]

fair enough...i would like to see the actual case.
unvote, vote: Niklas

I'm not sure we can, unfortunately. Renata asked me to check on something and after finding it, I agree with her and Beskar.

[Renata]

Unfortunately the case can't wholly be revealed without compromising another game.

Some info which may be relevant:

Niklas claimed the role of Den Siva, who was promoted to padawan several days back. He claimed to have gained the force breath hold ability at that point, and therefore to be able to evade a single lynch. This is likely true, though it may not be one-shot in his case. We should lynch him anyway, but possibly we'll have to do it again tomorrow.

[Methos]

I'm not for sure if this is public knowledge or not, as I've withheld it for fear it would benefit the Sith more then the town, but since Niklas is the Dark Lord.....

Recall that I was the Jedi Master Mace Windu. The night I was targeted for death I received a PM by our host Sigurd stating that I was being attacked and he requested how I wished to defend myself. I apparently chose wrong, but certain things are more clear now. :laugh4:

Anyway, for the Masters out there, pay close attention to the attacks and defenses, especially of fellow Masters.

[atheotes]

Unfortunately the case can't wholly be revealed without compromising another game.

Some info which may be relevant:

Niklas claimed the role of Den Siva, who was promoted to padawan several days back. He claimed to have gained the force breath hold ability at that point, and therefore to be able to evade a single lynch. This is likely true, though it may not be one-shot in his case. We should lynch him anyway, but possibly we'll have to do it again tomorrow.

Isnt that the same ability Beskar had? I guess Qui-gon can pay Niklas a visit and ensure it is a one-shot.

So there is a real Den Siva? or was it his cover role? I am just trying to gauge to usefulness of Psychonaut's information (investigation?)

[Secura]

You're lucky you've lived this far really, Renata, when you think about it.

Remember that earlier on you and I were both pointed to as suspects for the leak that led to Methos, Csargo and others dying? Well, with me dead, I'd assume you were coming soon after as Niklas' final loose end.

It's a shame we didn't pick him up sooner and that it came to this, really; Beskar and I had him down as a suspect, but Beskar was killed the night of his investigation and we didn't follow up the line of enquiry. >.<

[Renata]

Den Siva was revealed in the write-up, so it must be real (or a real cover, most likely), and also has relevance to Psychonaut's results.

Edit: He fooled me, Secura. This won't help my case, but as there's no harm in revealing it now -- despite that issue (and despite that Niklas had never suggested or supported me bringing it up), and despite a few arguably scummy in-thread posts, out of the thread Niklas did a really good con job on me. There were certain behaviors I'd been on the watch for based on the last game we played together (the latest NOTW at CFC, which was very recent), and he avoided them all.

I'll argue my case in every direction I can when the time comes, but I won't blame the town if I wind up lynched despite that.

(Which is to say, what incentive did Niklas have to kill me? I was his best ally.)

[Beskar]

What is interesting, Sasaki commented as if he knew the Sith had cover-roles like that (as in, could be promoted, etc). Just a quick question, was it just a big guess on your part, Sasaki, or did you actually know?

[Secura]

Which is to say, what incentive did Niklas have to kill me? I was his best ally.

You've got to die sooner or later...

[Renata]

Yeah -- later.

[Kagemusha]

Well lets lynch Niklas first.I knew i smelled something funny about the two of you. Now its ofcourse completely possible that there is no link between Renata and Niklas, but thats thought for another day.

[TinCow]

*sigh* Alright then, there's no point in dancing around this any longer. I thought I was the only person who saw what happened so I attempted to keep a lid on it, but apparently that was not the case. Let's just get this over with, since the result now seems inevitable.

In summary, in a QT thread for another game, someone made a post under the name "Dark Lord." It was quickly deleted, but I was online at the time and saw it while it was still up. As far as I could tell, it was Niklas who made the post. I could not forget what I had seen, but I also did not want to lynch someone via metagaming, so I attempted to construct a case against Niklas based on his in-thread behavior. As part of that, I asked Beskar to investigate Niklas to further help build a real case against him instead of a metagaming case. Unfortunately, Beskar was killed before he got the results. About the same time, Niklas contacted me and I was honest with him about why I was trying to get him lynched. After some discussion with him and a talk with the person who was the admin of that QT forum (the person is not a player in this game), I just dropped the issue, tried to forget about it, and moved on. That was a week ago today.

Unfortunately, it seems that I was not the only person who saw what happened. The result is that this metagaming evidence has re-surfaced despite my attempts to forget it. I do not want to lynch someone on this kind of basis, but the fact remains that it was Niklas' fault, not ours, and those of us that saw it cannot be blamed for reading something he posted by mistake. It is clear to me now that this information cannot be contained any longer, so we might as well get this over with and lynch Niklas before further time is wasted because of this situation.

Unvote; Vote: Niklas

Sorry man, I swear I haven't spoken a word about this since our conversation last week. Unfortunately, this one appears to have been beyond my control. :shrug:

[Niklas]

I did not make the posts referred to. TC thought I did, I convinced him I didn't. But it doesn't matter what I say or do, no one will believe me anyway. I had fun in this game, and someone has ruined it for me with a meta-game issue. Sorry for not taking it well.

unvote; vote: Niklas

[Secura]

Niklas... if it's not you, who was it?

[Methos]

After reading Tincow's post I'm a bit irked myself. I did not recall it, but had it brought to my attention by Renata. She informed me that....


beskar is saying that tincow is saying that niklas posted there using the name "dark lord"

[Niklas]

Niklas... if it's not you, who was it?




I must be honest with you, there is another factor that is impacting my vote. I have not said it publicly because it is metagaming and I loathe that. It is important to me to play fair at all times. That said, I was browsing the Inishmore Aussie QT when I saw a post by "Dark Lord" which quickly got edited out. It seemed to me that someone had accidentally logged into that QT with the wrong account name and after some consideration, I concluded that person was you. Like I said, I hate metagaming, but I cannot unsee what I have seen and it's impossible for it not to impact my perceptions of the Jedi game. I have thus put in a lot of effort to find a non-metagaming reason to pressure you to see if I could build a case against you on a legit basis rather than on the QT login basis. Be assured, even if you are Sith and that was a mistake by you in the QT thread, I will never mention it publicly because it's straight up unfair. However, if you want to have any hope of convincing me you're not Sith, you're going to need to persuade me that either wasn't you, or that it was you but it had nothing to do with the Jedi game.
WT*, that wasn't me, I swear it. And I truly wish you hadn't told me, I utterly hate this sort of thing. Now there are two of us spoilered, I cannot unhear what you told me any more than you can unsee what you saw. But I am not the droid you seek, I didn't post that.

I assume you're referring to "Messages 29-27 deleted by topic administrator between 04-19-2010 03:13 PM and 04-19-2010 03:07 PM".

I do not have any account on QT, and as such I don't have the power to delete even my own posts, I tried. I can edit them, or delete their content, but not delete the posts themselves. "Topic administrator" suggests YLC or pevergreen deleted, whoever started that QT. I can only speculate, but I simply won't, you know as well as I do what the implications are. Just like you I loathe that kind of meta-gaming, and I'm enjoying this game far too much at this point, or at least was. It will affect me, no doubt, I can't unhear it, but I'm hoping I can go back to enjoying the game regardless (and you too).

Now I'll take a break, vent some steam, and then go back to trying to derail a stupid bandwagon. At least now I understand why you were so insisting even after I thought I had given you the explanation you wanted.

YLC is not in the Jedi game. I will talk to him about it. If he was the person who made that post, I will do my best to save you.


YLC would not answer the question, but the reasons he gave for not answering it and the manner in which he explained his reasons were such as to convince me that it's more likely I'm barking up the wrong tree here. I will unvote you and do my best to forget this entire thing. I'd like to request that you not post what happened publicly regardless of what happens during the rest of the game.

Me and TinCow both did all we could to forget about this. Apparently that wasn't enough for some people.

[autolycus]

Well, it seems my suspicions were right after all, at least about niklas. Unvote, vote: niklas.

[Secura]

Meh, edited this post, not fueling the fire.

[TinCow]

If it isn't Niklas, it can only be pevergreen or TinCow. Renata wasn't privy to the topic at that point, I'm dead, YLC isn't a part of this game. Don't think it's TinCow based on his reactions to the situation.

I'm leaning strongly towards the former based upon the other evidence that Beskar and I had of our leak (after we believed Pizza to be innocent), but everyone is entitled to their own approach on the matter, really. :3

Worth noting that my closer look at pevergreen recently was because his recent scumtastic posts set off my scumdar. Combined with my knowledge that he had access to that QT as well, I decided to do a deeper read on him. While the QT post as I recall it seemed to fit Niklas far better than pevergreen, a totally impartial analysis must still consider pevergreen as another option.

[Kagemusha]

My honest opinion is that any discussions concerning quick topics should stay in quicktopics. What some know or do not know concerning meta gaming aspects should stay outside this game thread.

[Renata]

All right,

unvote, vote: pevergreen

I'd rather be fooled to the end if that's how it goes. And I don't want to lose to the way pever is playing, either, no offense to him as a person.

I propose pever be lynched today. Anyone capable of it can investigate Niklas tonight. Pull his lynch invulnerability. If he comes up bad, lynch him. If the investigator(s) wind up dead, lynch him. Otherwise, take it as it comes.

[Renata]

And I'll add that I say this in part because I have no reason to doubt that the lynch invulnerabililty part of what Niklas told me is true, no matter his alignment. We're not killing him today, no matter what.

[Husar]

My honest opinion is that any discussions concerning quick topics should stay in quicktopics. What some know or do not know concerning meta gaming aspects should stay outside this game thread.

Well, then what are discussions regarding .org mafia games doing in Quicktopics? They should stay here on the .org. ~;)
It's a bit of a risk obviously, you either take it or not. Although it is a bit like getting the sith lord based on his tax evasion instead of the killings.
But that's life....

[White_eyes:D]

My honest opinion is that any discussions concerning quick topics should stay in quicktopics. What some know or do not know concerning meta gaming aspects should stay outside this game thread.Didn't stop CDF from revealing my role to Sasaki and Andres in "That Creeping Darkness"....that's why you ALWAYS double-check your QT user name or you pay for it, as unsportsmanlike that it is, there is no rule against it...:shrug:

I have been trying to figure out how it could be balanced with only the *Rule of two*....If Niklas is indeed the Sith lord, then we still would have his apprentice somewhere.....my thoughts are that the "Jedi Ranks" somehow fit into how they can recruit, since there would always be two....It goes from Initiate->Padawan->Knight->Master->Expedition Leader.:book:

It would make sense for the Sith to need to be above a rank to "seduce" someone to the Dark side....It would also make sense for the Sith to aim for being the Expedition Leader, so they could recruit anyone they want....anyone feel like debunking this theory?:grin2:

I am going to gamble and Vote:pevergreen and hope for the best:bow:

[johnhughthom]

Feel bad voting for Niklas based on the info given. I always use the same name in QTs (from my first QT, in the original Swords & D20s) for that very reason.

Vote:pevergreen

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@beskar: it depends on what you mean by "knew"

Good, pevergreen is being lynched.

[Niklas]

unvote

I'm glad at least some see reason, but I feel just as bad for pevergreen.

[Sigurd]

voting closed...

[Winston Hughes]

it is a bit like getting the sith lord based on his tax evasion instead of the killings.

:laugh4:

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Fraud."

"Don't try to frighten us with your swindlerous ways, Lord Evader."

[Sigurd]

Round 9

Night


When Qui-Gon Jinn returned, the crew members were waiting. They had not decided on a candidate to lynch. There was a tie between Den Siva and Kyp Durron. Qui-Gon looked inquisitively on the assembled crew members. “You mean to tell me that you haven’t been able to decide? I can’t go ahead and execute both and be wrong twice. You need to vote a clear candidate. I am cancelling this round of voting. Be sure to give me a clear candidate if it gets to that tomorrow.
Now go and do your duties. We have a ship to sail. And if you by chance come over artefacts or stuff that seems really ancient, bring them to me.

Night time sharpens, heightens each sensation… 22 hours until end of this night. (23:00 GMT+1 Wednesday 28th of April)

Tally:
Niklas: 5 (atheotes, autolycus, Diana, Split, TinCow)
pevergreen: 5 (Centurion, johnhugh, Renata, Subotan, WE:D)

Subotan: 3 (ATPG, Psycho, Yaropolk)
White_Eyes:D: 2 (Chaotix, Diamondeye)
Psycho: 1 (Choxorn)
Centurion1: 1 (pevergreen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (GH)

Not voting: 2 (AVSM, Niklas)


Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura

Force Ghost:

Chaotix

Alive:

A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
Choxorn
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

[Husar]

Interesting....

That is the most undesirable result I could think of...

Now who wants to bet that

a) two people who voted for the sith lord die tonight?

b) the other sith is among the ones voting for the other guy? (risky, I know, but if it gives them one more night to kill I could see them take that risk...)

Now why were two suspicious people, white_eyes and johnhughtom, vothing for pever relatively late, after Niklas had been shown to be the sith lord almost without doubt?

Now we got absolutely nothing, just a wasted round. :no:

[Niklas]

Now why were two suspicious people, white_eyes and johnhughtom, vothing for pever relatively late, after Niklas had been shown to be the sith lord almost without doubt?
I AM NOT THE SITH LORD!!! But whatever.


Now we got absolutely nothing, just a wasted round. :no:
Actually, I don't agree with this. I have a one-shot ability to survive a single lynch, like Renata said. It's called Force Breath Control and is available at Padawan level. Presumably, had I been lynched today, I would have lost this ability. Since I wasn't lynched, it means I still have it, and Qui-Gon can take it from me tonight. Then at least my death will not have been completely useless.

[atheotes]

if Niklas turns out to be sith, i am going to :wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

[Chaotix]

Good theory. Except one thing:


Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force was meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.

This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.

You're lying. I know who gained the ability last night, and it wasn't you.

And even if it was, it would not have taken up your actions for the night.

Why are you lying, Obi-Wan?

This post, and Psychonaut in general, should be looked into in great depth. To my knowledge, he has not been protected the past few nights, and yet he has not even been attacked. The Sith killed Methos, Beskar, and me in quick succession without hesitation. Why leave a confirmed Jedi Master alive?

[atheotes]

You're lying. I know who gained the ability last night, and it wasn't you.

And even if it was, it would not have taken up your actions for the night.

Why are you lying, Obi-Wan?

wish you were here earlier.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oooh, "obi-wan" is lying!

[Niklas]

wish you were here earlier.
So do I!!!

[Chaotix]

So do I!!!

So do I.

Unfortunately for you, Niklas, you are just as suspect in my mind and have been for a while now.

[pevergreen]

Dun be lynching me.

I was promoted in a write up a while back. Don't see the point of reveaing who I am yet.

[Choxorn]

(at CFC, the dead can't talk until the game is over).

Technically they can, but only to say things like "OMGUS" or "Told You So" or "This is fun, I'm grabbin popcorn", and not help either side win the game or reveal new info.

*Reads thread, blah blah lynch pever and Niklas* If only the deadline was an hour later, I could have been around to break the tie... :(


You're lying. I know who gained the ability last night, and it wasn't you.

And even if it was, it would not have taken up your actions for the night.

Why are you lying, Obi-Wan?

This post, and Psychonaut in general, should be looked into in great depth. To my knowledge, he has not been protected the past few nights, and yet he has not even been attacked. The Sith killed Methos, Beskar, and me in quick succession without hesitation. Why leave a confirmed Jedi Master alive?

Yeah, something is scummy. FoS: Psychonaut. Could someone get around to scanning him, and Niklas or pever?

[Niklas]

Unfortunately for you, Niklas, you are just as suspect in my mind and have been for a while now.
So I've noted by your votes over the past few days. I don't mind being suspected and voted for, I need the scrutiny as much as everyone else. But to be killed over a metagame issue I had no part of would just stink. So in that light, I don't mind your suspicions at all. :bow:

I hope to be cleared by an investigation though, or by us lynching Psychonaut tomorrow and finding him a Sith. But I guess with my luck and all the mob mentality, all the energy I've spent on having him lynched would probably be seen as an elaborate WIFOM attempt. :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you think I'm "so scummy", why have you never pursued a case against me?

I accused you around the same time I accused atheotes, based on similar thought processes. When my case disappeared on atheotes, there wasn't much credibility to continuing against you.

However, I am reading that someone has made a big error here, and a Sith Lord will be dead soon enough. I recommend you at least attempt a drain on Niklas to remove his anti-lynch power, and you know what against you know who, Chaotix.

[TinCow]

You're lying. I know who gained the ability last night, and it wasn't you.

And even if it was, it would not have taken up your actions for the night.

Why are you lying, Obi-Wan?

This post, and Psychonaut in general, should be looked into in great depth. To my knowledge, he has not been protected the past few nights, and yet he has not even been attacked. The Sith killed Methos, Beskar, and me in quick succession without hesitation. Why leave a confirmed Jedi Master alive?

:wall: This makes today's lynch failure even worse... too many people to lynch and not enough time.


Dun be lynching me.

I was promoted in a write up a while back. Don't see the point of reveaing who I am yet.

How does promotion mean you're innocent?

[Askthepizzaguy]

From what I'm seeing, Niklas' unvote seems to have spared both himself and pevergreen. I believe he should be the first to go.

[Niklas]

From what I'm seeing, Niklas' unvote seems to have spared both himself and pevergreen. I believe he should be the first to go.
For the record, I had no idea what the tally was at the time of my unvote. I also had no idea what the result of a tied lynch vote would mean.

[Renata]

Thank you Chaotix! I had no chance (nor did Niklas, to be fair) of getting freakin' Obi-wan Kenobi lynched without backup like that. I trust any investigators can forget about Psychonaut, then. Dealing with Niklas and/or pevergreen would seem more useful.

Niklas, I'd love to give you credit for your pursuit of Psychonaut, but I can't very easily. There's just as much motive for a mafia teammate of Psychonaut's to act the way you have (since you knew as well as I did that Psychonaut wasn't getting lynched barring something conclusive (and, if you are mafia, that there *would* eventually be something conclusive)) as there is for a suspicious townie to.

[Renata]

For the record, I had no idea what the tally was at the time of my unvote. I also had no idea what the result of a tied lynch vote would mean.

You did know it was tied right at the end of the day; you came online and counted it with five or so minutes to go. That omission aside, the rest is probably true.


Dun be lynching me.

I was promoted in a write up a while back. Don't see the point of reveaing who I am yet.

You're Kyp Durron, it's right up there. Your promotion means nothing; Niklas was also promoted earlier. Nobody's counter-claimed Obi-Wan Kenobi, for that matter. And you've been acting at least as scummy as Niklas has. Niklas is at least trying.

[TinCow]

So, in summary, either Niklas or pevergreen is Sith, likely the most powerful 'boss' Sith. The other is likely innocent. At the same time, Psychonaut is likely Sith as well. The question facing us is not who to lynch, but in what order. An interesting situation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys do realize that after you kill these Sith lords I will probably be a Sith, right? I'm still a townie! You'll need to lynch me before the game is over! Don't trust me! I'm a big fat liar and I'll slip through your fingers!!! NEVER TRUST ME, EVER!!!! Help! Help! I'm untrustworthy and I can't stop myself from being evil! Put me to a swift death!

:laugh4:

I am not entirely sure that's ever been done in a mafia game. Name it after me.

[Renata]

Oh quit being such a drama queen.



:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh quit being such a drama queen.

I'm both having fun and doing my townie duty of accusing a mafioso. So what if that mafioso will be me? Lynch that bastard. At least I'll get credit for correctly accusing one scumbag.

[Renata]

Meh. I bet I know at least as much sensitive information as you do, plus I have credit for yanking Psychonaut out of his comfy cave. Clearly the mafia should recruit me. So we should lynch me, not you. You're so full of yourself, Pizza.


:hide:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meh. I bet I know at least as much sensitive information as you do, plus I have credit for yanking Psychonaut out of his comfy cave. Clearly the mafia should recruit me. So we should lynch me, not you. You're so full of yourself, Pizza.

Don't pull a pizza. That's totally irresponsible and full of WIFOM. I would have expected such nonsense from ATPG, but you? Say it isn't so, Ren.

[Renata]

It took you ten minutes to come up with "say it isn't so"?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It took you ten minutes to come up with "say it isn't so"?

I'm cooking dinner! :tongue3:

[pevergreen]

You're Kyp Durron, it's right up there.

oh fair enough. I might read it at some poi---nah.

So Kyp Durron is a pretty cool guy eh.

[Beskar]

You know, the Jedi could go and kill the suspects. If Chaotix was telling the truth with me being suspectible, then I might as just gone and done that. It would have littled the crowd.

Unfortunately, being in the spotlight would have ruined that anyway.

[Husar]

Are you sure the jedi could just kill them or would they have to choose an attack and then the sith would have to choose a defense and the outcome would be a little bit unclear after that?
Seems the Sith are pretty powerful and have bested the Jedi masters so far, why would it be a piece of cake the other way around?

[Niklas]

You did know it was tied right at the end of the day; you came online and counted it with five or so minutes to go. That omission aside, the rest is probably true.
I did a count yes. According to my logs, I was done counting at 22:59:41. Sigurd closed the vote roughly a minute later. In the state of mind that I was, with all the metagaming going arond, I simply couldn't bring myself to put a vote on pever as I unvoted myself. And once I knew the tally, I was too indecisive, which may have been just as well.

That said, my own unvote was cast with 10 minutes to spare. More than enough for someone else to break the tie, should they want to. So it's not like I have deliberately forced a tied vote here, far from it.

[naut]

Why are you lying, Obi-Wan?
Except I'm not. I'll forward my entire PM to you if you want. This is getting stupid. It really is. And quite frankly I'm tired of it.


The other is likely innocent. At the same time, Psychonaut is likely Sith as well.
I AM NOT THE SITH! :wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can feel your anger... :evilgrin:


Gets annoying after a while, yes indeedy.

[TinCow]

Except I'm not. I'll forward my entire PM to you if you want. This is getting stupid. It really is. And quite frankly I'm tired of it.


I AM NOT THE SITH! :wall:

You said you gained an ability last night. Chaotix says he knows who gained an ability last night, and it wasn't you. If you want to avoid the lynch, you need to explain this contradiction because at the moment it looks like you are lying.

[naut]

You said you gained an ability last night. Chaotix says he knows who gained an ability last night, and it wasn't you. If you want to avoid the lynch, you need to explain this contradiction because at the moment it looks like you are lying.
Why the :daisy: would I lie about getting a holocron last night. Especially so early in a phase. Why, however, would some random other person claim they did later on. I wonder... :wacko: Pretty, darn obvious if you ask me. Now, I'm going to log-out and yell into a pillow, because this is getting beyond silly.

[naut]

Gets annoying after a while, yes indeedy.
Annoying is not a strong enough adjective.

[Niklas]

Annoying is not a strong enough adjective.
Welcome to the club.

[TinCow]

Why the :daisy: would I lie about getting a holocron last night. Especially so early in a phase. Why, however, would some random other person claim they did later on. I wonder... :wacko: Pretty, damn obvious if you ask me. Now, I'm going to log-out and yell into a pillow, because this is getting beyond silly.

Then I suggest you talk to Chaotix and figure out who the liar actually is. For some reason, you seem to expect us to do all the work for you.

[naut]

Now, I'm going to log-out and yell into a pillow
Ok. Feeling slightly better now.

Someone is clearly trying to drive a wedge between the several town factions in the game. And they are having moderate sucess. This suggests an experienced or semi-experienced player with some expertise in the matter. The killing of Husar either suggests a new player at mafia, or a new player to games held at .Org. The murder of Beskar was a silly mistake, as Count Dooku will always draw suspicion. They seem to have learnt that though, and that is why they are keeping me around. I may be Obi-Wan, but I am now hamstrung, because the town do not trust me. I can't do much to help the town and they can just cruise on by for a couple rounds as I take the majority of heat generated during the day phase. So this Sith combo are likely an experienced player, likely from CFC, and a relatively new player. Or two semi-experienced players, one originally from CFC and one from .Org.

[naut]

I issue the Sith a challenge if you are man (or woman) enough you will attack me tonight. If you don't, you are scared, and I will admonish you for that, but I can understand your fear, it's not shameful to be afraid. And if I they don't attack me, then we lynch me tomorrow, because the longer I stay around the longer they can just hide and say: "But, but, Pyschonaut could be lying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blahdy, blah." And that is neither good for the town or good for my nerves. And that way if in the end the town do lose, I can look back and say to you all: "Have some humble pie, I was not the Sith." So it's a win-win. :yes:

Sith, if you have any honour you will accept my challenge.

(Note: The tone of the post is in jest, and should not be taken too seriously, this is after all, just a game). (Note 2: The content of this post is not in jest though).

[Kagemusha]

It is rather too obvious that psychonaut is a lynch bait. I am very sad to see that Niklas was not lynched yesterday. Tincow is starting to look like very guilty at this point. He is the one that brought up the meta gaming aspect that majority of us werent even aware off. With that he turned the tide against Niklas and he is trying to find any small reasons by nitpicking in order to get psychonaut lynched. Either Tincow cant see the forest from the trees or he is scum. The nights and days are getting more few, while even if we cought a Sith.We have to safe lynch ATPG in that case. Its starting to look quite bad for the town.

[Diamondeye]

Niklas, I'd love to give you credit for your pursuit of Psychonaut, but I can't very easily. There's just as much motive for a mafia teammate of Psychonaut's to act the way you have (since you knew as well as I did that Psychonaut wasn't getting lynched barring something conclusive (and, if you are mafia, that there *would* eventually be something conclusive)) as there is for a suspicious townie to.

If Psycho is indeed mafia, I wouldn't think he would leave a tie between his mate (one of pever and Niklas) hanging when his own vote was for Subotan, the runner-up. I wouldn't be surprised if, if Psychonaut is indeed mafia, that his teammate would be White_Eyes:D, who was not in need of Psycho changing his vote.


I'm both having fun and doing my townie duty of accusing a mafioso. So what if that mafioso will be me? Lynch that bastard. At least I'll get credit for correctly accusing one scumbag.

Uhm I think I did that in YLC's TCD game (only it turned out not to be a recruitment initiation, but a "drive DE mad, teehee" attempt by Winston, nonetheless).