StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

Look, I really don't want to be lynched right now, and the rest of you really, really don't, either. You can back off now and investigate me later, or you can lose this game today.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Look, I really don't want to be lynched right now, and the rest of you really, really don't, either. You can back off now and investigate me later, or you can lose this game today.

Or you can reveal the name of this protector to me.

[Beskar]

Look, I really don't want to be lynched right now, and the rest of you really, really don't, either. You can back off now and investigate me later, or you can lose this game today.

Well, a lynch on you who was meant to be arranging my protection is a far better bandwagon on a random target. It is probably for the best to reveal this protector. I doubt they will reveal themselves.

[TinCow]

Look, I really don't want to be lynched right now, and the rest of you really, really don't, either. You can back off now and investigate me later, or you can lose this game today.

With this post, you've claimed a power role. If you're pro-town, you've made yourself a mafia target. Might as well start talking because getting the town on your side is probably the only way you'll stay alive.

[Secura]

Or you can reveal the name of this protector to me.

I agree with this, actually.

Ibn-Khaldun is dead, he isn't allowed to reveal it to the town, but he can verify it by that person approaching him directly or Chaotix telling him and Ibn doing it himself.

Currently though, Beskar is dead, I'm majorly peeved and someone has to answer for it; he was promised protection and didn't get it.

[atheotes]

Look, I really don't want to be lynched right now, and the rest of you really, really don't, either. You can back off now and investigate me later, or you can lose this game today.
Your stubbornness only makes you look more scummy. Did the "protector" tell you yet why he did not protect as promised?

[Beskar]

There is always a bright side, you can get your protector to protect you, if you are town. So no harm in revealing, is there?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So we're all scum for accusing him, and if we lynch him we'll lose the game, but he won't tell us anything.

Perhaps Chaotix felt he'd been got over that sith holocron stuff (whatever that was) and decided to blow his cover by killing beskar.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Your stubbornness only makes you look more scummy. Did the "protector" tell you yet why he did not protect as promised?

I'm interested in this as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

I believe Chaotix's story for now, and I will get a clarification from the defender before the round is over. If I don't hear back from them, I'll put my vote back on Chaotix.

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I suggest you all go with this.

Otherwise I will be forced to reveal everything to get you all off my case, and it will not be pretty.

[TinCow]

I think Niklas is a better choice for a temporary vote-repository than ATPG. Using ATPG for that will not result in further useful conversation.

[Secura]

I don't think revealing to Pizza was the right course of action; Ibn-Khaldun, proven town through death, is a better choice.

My vote remains, and I'll defend it until I'm dead.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I suggest you all go with this.

Otherwise I will be forced to reveal everything to get you all off my case, and it will not be pretty.

So you decided to give contact of possible jedi master to a player that can /has been recruited by the Sith? Ibn Khaldun would have been about thousend times safer option.

[Chaotix]

Fine. I'm revealing everything. It's probably better that I do this now rather than later, anyway. Give me a few minutes, this is going to be a long post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You kind of have to lynch me now because I know, and I can be converted.

Actually......

No, I don't become mafia until the night is over. If there's a conversion, I'm the lynch, but that would have been the case anyway. Wow I am actually useful. Holy poop on a stick.

[Beskar]

I don't think revealing to Pizza was the right course of action; Ibn-Khaldun, proven town through death, is a better choice.

My vote remains, and I'll defend it until I'm dead.

On that logic, an explanation to me would be better than "You are dead... hey it isn't all that bad, you are now exonerated and now known not to be a sith!"

[Secura]

My vote remains, and I'll defend it until I'm dead.

I've just learned something new about this privately, so unvote: Chaotix.

I'd like to ask something though... why did your contact fail to protect Beskar? He tells me that he told you he would be attacked... so why the change of heart from your pal? Beskar might've been scummy-looking or whatever other spin you want to put on it... but he was town, he needed protection, and you or your cohort failed to do that.

[Renata]

Chaotix must be referring to the person that Beskar thought was Yoda. We need information on this.

If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, plus what he told me shortly before the update, Beskar thought that *Chaotix* was Yoda.

[Renata]

Failure to protect Beskar after saying you would -- what possible pro-town motivation can that have?

And why is anyone revealing anything to ATPG after Beskar said he was recruitable? Congratulations, you're handing your information to the mafia on some night not too far off.

I don't get people.

[Secura]

If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, plus what he told me shortly before the update, Beskar thought that *Chaotix* was Yoda.

Every fiber in my body hopes that isn't the case, otherwise it's one of those occasions where the power roles have cost the town the game.

WTB Mafia X.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Failure to protect Beskar after saying you would -- what possible pro-town motivation can that have?

And why is anyone revealing anything to ATPG after Beskar said he was recruitable? Congratulations, you're handing your information to the mafia on some night not too far off.

Good point, better lynch me so I don't tell the mafia everything.

[Kagemusha]

This isnt going well for us.:shame:And yes we should lynch you ATPG. Unvote, Vote: ATPG. I bet with the latest fiasco we will loose yeat another pro town role because people dont think before they act.So the last thing we should do would be to leave Pizza alive after his stunt.

[Renata]

Actually this is in theory pretty easy to settle. Either the expedition leader did send Chaotix as an intermediary and did do what he did for whatever incomprehensible-to-me reason he might have done it; or Yoda is out there somewhere right now having kittens. The option of a counterclaim does exist, regardless if Chaotix names his contact or not.

Now in practicality ... but it is an option, if not necessarily a good one.

[Chaotix]

I'm going to hold off revealing, for now, actually.

Beskar, I will tell you what happened if you will not repeat it, as you do deserve to know.

[Renata]

Good point, better lynch me so I don't tell the mafia everything.

Got bigger fish to fry right at the moment, but your comment is only the truth if people are telling you things they shouldn't. I'm sorry, but I didn't put you in this position; Beskar did.

[Secura]

Beskar, I will tell you what happened if you will not repeat it, as you do deserve to know.

Beskar can't reveal it; it's a private claim and he's brown bread... your words are safe in the hands of a dead townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I convinced Chaotix not to reveal his contact, so I am asking for you to reverse this bandwagon on him and place it somewhere more constructive.

[atheotes]

I've just learned something new about this privately, so unvote: Chaotix.

I'd like to ask something though... why did your contact fail to protect Beskar? He tells me that he told you he would be attacked... so why the change of heart from your pal? Beskar might've been scummy-looking or whatever other spin you want to put on it... but he was town, he needed protection, and you or your cohort failed to do that.

When was Secura cleared as being town? I hope it was not Chaotix who was divulging information to her.

[Renata]

Every fiber in my body hopes that isn't the case, otherwise it's one of those occasions where the power roles have cost the town the game.

WTB Mafia X.

I'm completely at a loss.

[Chaotix]

ATPG offered to be lynched, I actually think he kinda wants it so that he doesn't get converted.

[Secura]

When was Secura cleared as being town?

Since Beskar investigated me, if you must know. And yes, I'll claim that in-thread and die if I have to; Beskar died, that's my investment in the game gone and I couldn't give two hoots what happens to me now.


I hope it was not Chaotix who was divulging information to her.

No, he didn't divulge to me; Beskar spoke to me over MSN and said the lynch was a bad idea currently. That's all I'm saying about it.

[Kagemusha]

People dont you undestand now it is absolutely necessary to lynch ATPG, since a) he can be recruited by the Sith, while b) he now most likely knows identity of another jedi master. So pizzas recruitment is more then clear action for any Sith with half of brain.

[atheotes]

Beskar can't reveal it; it's a private claim and he's brown bread... your words are safe in the hands of a dead townie.

as it has already been suggested...It is not good sportsmanship to use a dead player
Chaotix has divulged to Pizza and he is still town as far as we know. So if it is believable then i dont have any problems letting Chaotix live.
But pizza has to die. If he gets converted during the night, he has enough time to divulge everything and achieve victory along with his team.
unvote, vote: ATPG

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why did this person reveal to you in the first place Chaotix?

[Beskar]

I still found Niklas scummy. I would have recieved results tonight.. so I can't say he is either town, mafia or just suspectible. I believe I said my thoughts about this to TinCow (who already said) and also Renata.

[Renata]

You're all right.

unvote, vote ATPG

I still hate this.

[Secura]

I'll claim that in-thread and die if I have to; Beskar died, that's my investment in the game gone and I couldn't give two hoots what happens to me now.

This is a challenge to the Sith, by the way; I can't defend myself like Beskar or Ibn-Khaldun could, but come to my quarters and kill me anyway.

[Beskar]

Lynching ATPG is a bad idea. The Sith can only recruit when one of them is dead anyway. It is the rule of two.

Also, they probably can't night attack either while recruiting. Which means less townies dead.

[Renata]

I still found Niklas scummy. I would have recieved results tonight.. so I can't say he is either town, mafia or just suspectible. I believe I said my thoughts about this to TinCow (who already said) and also Renata.

Yup. Though I strongly believe Niklas to be town due to his reaction to events that occured immediately prior to tonight's write-up. And just from talking to him all along, too, but as I've said, he's a strong player and I tend toward the paranoid. That's most gone now, though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think that there are Jedi out there with the ability to night kill, and in my estimation, one kill won't be enough to turn you to the dark side. If you're a Jedi you have done heroic things and one mistake doesn't make you Sith.

I request to be night killed, if you want to save this lynch for an actual suspect. That way the information dies with me before I can ever actually give the information to the mafia since I was dead before the conversion took place.

There's still most of a round left, I'm the default lynch. Come up with something better or don't.

[atheotes]

Lynching ATPG is a bad idea. The Sith can only recruit when one of them is dead anyway. It is the rule of two.

Also, they probably can't night attack either while recruiting. Which means less townies dead.

Is that a guess or do you know for sure?

[Kagemusha]

Lynching ATPG is a bad idea. The Sith can only recruit when one of them is dead anyway. It is the rule of two.

Also, they probably can't night attack either while recruiting. Which means less townies dead.

So you want to leave a perfect replacement with vital information alive and well. What a grand strategy.

[atheotes]

I think that there are Jedi out there with the ability to night kill, and in my estimation, one kill won't be enough to turn you to the dark side. If you're a Jedi you have done heroic things and one mistake doesn't make you Sith.


again, do you know that because you have it in your role pm or are you just guessing?

[Beskar]

An educated guess, nothing has made me doubt it.

The fact is, whatever ATPG knows, they suspect it is from Chaotix anyway. So they would most likely attack Chaotix. If the information he has is about Chaotix, he is basically useless to the mafia. Also, what is there to say Chaotix isn't suspectible himself? Would be worth more to the mafia to try to recruit him.


So you want to leave a perfect replacement with vital information alive and well. What a grand strategy.

Yet, it appears I know more information than you, also I see what "worth" ATPG has.


again, do you know that because you have it in your role pm or are you just guessing?

Pizza is incorrect. You become suspectible, then this gets stronger after you start night-killing. In short, don't night kill if you are town, unless you want to be converted to the Sith side.

[Renata]

I think that there are Jedi out there with the ability to night kill, and in my estimation, one kill won't be enough to turn you to the dark side. If you're a Jedi you have done heroic things and one mistake doesn't make you Sith.

I request to be night killed, if you want to save this lynch for an actual suspect. That way the information dies with me before I can ever actually give the information to the mafia since I was dead before the conversion took place.

There's still most of a round left, I'm the default lynch. Come up with something better or don't.

Methos and Beskar were the only two I knew with this ability. I can't personally confirm there are any more. Just one potential issue withthis.

I dont' know what'sthe right thing to do, and will sleep on it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

again, do you know that because you have it in your role pm or are you just guessing?

I was given information by then-not, but now-proven townies which tell me that there are Jedi with night kill abilities. They simply aren't using them for fear of the dark side.

The game would be ridiculously unbalanced if they couldn't use ONE kill before turning to the dark side. Someone can kill me and avoid the entire lynch waste, and then later claim to be the one who killed me, which clears them as well for that particular night.

Edit: I still want the defender to contact me back, or else I am putting my vote back where it was.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Chaotix should be the lynch choice until he explains why an apparently super important protector role revealed to him.

[Beskar]

I was given information by then-not, but now-proven townies which tell me that there are Jedi with night kill abilities. They simply aren't using them for fear of the dark side.

The game would be ridiculously unbalanced if they couldn't use ONE kill before turning to the dark side. Someone can kill me and avoid the entire lynch waste, and then later claim to be the one who killed me, which clears them as well for that particular night.

Killing innocents is never the way of the Jedi. Hence it is the Dark-side indeed.

[Husar]

Hahaha, you people are desperately trying to be useless, right?

Since ATPG is more or less cleared for now, why not lynch a random QUIET PERSON instead of him? Just let someone important like Sasaki roll a die on the six persons who are still alive and have the fewest votes and go with it, be a bit creative for a change.
Or just lynch TinCow. ~D

[atheotes]

Chaotix should be the lynch choice until he explains why an apparently super important protector role revealed to him.

perhaps that is part of the explanation he gave to pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hahaha, you people are desperately trying to be useless, right?

Since ATPG is more or less cleared for now, why not lynch a random QUIET PERSON instead of him?, just let someone important like Sasaki roll a dice on the six persons who are still alive and have the fewest votes and go with it, be a bit creative for a change.
Or just lynch TinCow. ~D

I repeat my offer as before, when you wouldn't trust me. Who should die today, and you will have my vote. Maybe even state a case and you will have others' votes.

[Kagemusha]

I was given information by then-not, but now-proven townies which tell me that there are Jedi with night kill abilities. They simply aren't using them for fear of the dark side.

The game would be ridiculously unbalanced if they couldn't use ONE kill before turning to the dark side. Someone can kill me and avoid the entire lynch waste, and then later claim to be the one who killed me, which clears them as well for that particular night.

Edit: I still want the defender to contact me back, or else I am putting my vote back where it was.

And wasnt the case for jedi´s being able to be recruited to the dark side only after they have killed someone? So we should create even more candidates for Sith recruitment in your opinion?

[Chaotix]

Chaotix should be the lynch choice until he explains why an apparently super important protector role revealed to him.

There's a really, really good explanation for that, and I'm sure you can figure it out if you open up your mind Sasaki.

Wait, lemme go a little further. *Wink wink*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's a really, really good explanation for that, and I'm sure you can figure it out if you open up your mind Sasaki.

Wait, lemme go a little further. *Wink wink*

I don't give people good explanations if I think they might be lying.

[Kagemusha]

Just lynch ATPG and we have one less risk to worry about.I am sure after this fiasco Sith´s will take care of Chaotix.

[atheotes]

My assumption is that - some characters are inherently susceptible to the dark side (like ATPG), there are others like Jedi Masters (only?) with a vig kill ability that when used will make them susceptible to recruitment. Perhaps there are Jedi masters and Jedi Knights with vig kill ability.

that is the reason I think we should lynch ATPG instead of night-killing him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just lynch ATPG and we have one less risk to worry about.I am sure after this fiasco Sith´s will take care of Chaotix.

^
This is a decent default plan. Just giving you time to mull over a good move and see if you can't sit on your hands until you find a better one.

[Kagemusha]

^
This is a decent default plan. Just giving you time to mull over a good move and see if you can't sit on your hands until you find a better one.

Well wouldnt you agree that leaving you alive is bit of an unnecesessary risk to take?

[atheotes]

^
This is a decent default plan. Just giving you time to mull over a good move and see if you can't sit on your hands until you find a better one.

Not everyone seems to think that you have to be lynched. If the majority agree we can move on.
All this happened way too fast and i dont think there was a need to have you wasted.

[Beskar]

Remember the attack on me yesterday? During that attack, some one removed my ability to self-protect, tonight, I got killed... the person who removed my ability to self-protect was infact my "protector".

*cough*

I allow the town to put that one together themselves.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Remember the attack on me yesterday? During that attack, some one removed my ability to self-protect, tonight, I got killed... the person who removed my ability to self-protect was infact my "protector".

*cough*

Didn't chaotix say something about his guy removing an ability of yours?

[Kagemusha]

If the majority will decide not to lynch pizza in situation where he committed de facto suicide by contacting the contact of Chaotix in his current position.Which he knows perfectly well himself also. In that case the town deserves to loose by playing more irrationally then should be possible.

[Beskar]

Didn't chaotix say something about his guy removing an ability of yours?

Yes. The ability to protect myself from night attacks. I luckly, I had another one (which you see in the write-up) but it was powerless against that Force Current attack. They claimed they did it to make me a servant of sorts, so I have to rely on protection. Instead of "protecting me" they were claiming to weaken my character further, by taking away my Vig ability. However, it could easily be seen as they removed my ability to self-protect, then they killed me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well wouldnt you agree that leaving you alive is bit of an unnecesessary risk to take?

No, because it isn't forced until tomorrow. I can be vig-killed tonight, as we haven't used ANY of our vig kills yet. And therefore I won't be recruited either because it will be a wasted effort to recruit a dead guy, or one who will be lynched tomorrow regardless.

If the mafia really wish to recruit me they will get nothing but pain for their trouble. So, our move isn't forced here. I agree that without a good case on anyone else, I am a default lynch and have been since I've become a useless piece of **** which is publicly known to be recruitable. But, you also know that lynching me kills no Sith. So decide your wisest move.

[Chaotix]

Tally:

ATPG: 4 (ATPG, Chaotix, atheotes, Renata)

Chaotix: 2 (Sasaki, Kage)
Niklas: 1 (TinCow)

Unless I missed it, I don't think you actually changed your own vote, Kage.

Beskar is, I believe, furious with me. Understandably. I'd like him to contact me back so I can continue apologizing. :clown:

[Kagemusha]

No, because it isn't forced until tomorrow. I can be vig-killed tonight, as we haven't used ANY of our vig kills yet. And therefore I won't be recruited either because it will be a wasted effort to recruit a dead guy, or one who will be lynched tomorrow regardless.

If the mafia really wish to recruit me they will get nothing but pain for their trouble. So, our move isn't forced here. I agree that without a good case on anyone else, I am a default lynch and have been since I've become a useless piece of **** which is publicly known to be recruitable. But, you also know that lynching me kills no Sith. So decide your wisest move.

Well if we dont have results that are water proof.That doesnt work as your alibi either, so you could have been Sith all along. If we dont have a Sith to lynch.The next best thing is possible/recruitable Sith that carries valuable information with him.

EDIT: Chaotix i did unvote and vote pizza its there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well if we dont have results that are water proof.That doesnt work as your alibi either, so you could have been Sith all along. If we dont have a Sith to lynch.The next best thing is possible/recruitable Sith that carries valuable information with him.

EDIT: Chaotix i did unvote and vote pizza its there.

Put it this way, Kage

1. If I am Sith, then this move serves one purpose only: To spare MY Sith Lord.
2. If Chaotix isn't dead in a couple rounds, lynch him.

I've accomplished nothing with this move as a Sith. Chaotix will not survive the game.

[Kagemusha]

Put it this way, Kage

1. If I am Sith, then this move serves one purpose only: To spare MY Sith Lord.
2. If Chaotix isn't dead in a couple rounds, lynch him.

I've accomplished nothing with this move as a Sith. Chaotix will not survive the game.

Well like Chaotix you are done for already.It is just matter of time. So if you were able to identify another jedi master, while im quite sure there arent that many left to begin with. You would have served your purpose. Lot better result in matter of fact, then just to be lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well like Chaotix you are done for already.It is just matter of time. So if you were able to identify another jedi master, while im quite sure there arent that many left to begin with. You would have served your purpose. Lot better result in matter of fact, then just to be lynched.

If I were just out to get information on who the Jedi master was, I would have done exactly the same thing but not offered my head.

Ok then again that's WIFOM and we won't go there, I don't need a repeat of the earlier argument that got me so frustrated.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm confused. Did chaotix steal beskar's self protect and then kill him? Is that the charge?

[Kagemusha]

If I were just out to get information on who the Jedi master was, I would have done exactly the same thing but not offered my head.

Ok then again that's WIFOM and we won't go there, I don't need a repeat of the earlier argument that got me so frustrated.

I agree there is no point going in circles. For me this is just clear cut risk management. I think you would do the same in my shoes.

[Beskar]

I'm confused. Did chaotix steal beskar's self protect and then kill him? Is that the charge?

Yes. He claimed he is the one who attacked me the night before which I at first thought was a conversation attempt. It turns out it was Chaotix removing my ability to self-protect which I later during the round realised what the event that happened to me that night was.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If that's the case then we should lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I agree there is no point going in circles. For me this is just clear cut risk management. I think you would do the same in my shoes.

Ah, but I'm not in your shoes, I'm in my shoes! And my shoes are totally 100% more awesome than yours, and they let me see what you cannot, which is how awesome I am.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/fighting0040.gif

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/633492179586186426-Captain-Kirk.jpg

[Kagemusha]

Well there is a point that could give poor Pizza another day to live. Beskar when did Chaotix originally claim that he was behind the occurance that happened to you?

EDIT: Oh Pizza you have no idea how awesome my shoes are. But then those are my shoes what else you could expect?~:wave:

[pevergreen]

Vote: Chaotix

Seemingly random vote straight after night ends on perhaps the most innocent person in the game.

Plus he is mafia.

That or OMGUS.

[Beskar]

Well there is a point that could give poo Pizza another day to live. Beskar when did Chaotix originally claim that he was behind the occurance that happened to you?

Just now, when he said "I am going to send Beskar a private message", when I recieved it, it basically said sorry, but I removed your self-protect and I sent in orders after removing your ability to vig-kil opposed to protecting you. Though, I am surprised he never took that first, if he was so concerned about me going "bad", though removing my ability to protect myself the night before I get killed? I think there is more to that order, and that is, he removed it to make sure I didn't do it, then he can kill me.

[Kagemusha]

Just now, when he said "I am going to send Beskar a private message", when I recieved it, it basically said sorry, but I removed your self-protect and I sent in orders after removing your ability to vig-kil opposed to protecting you. Though, I am surprised he never took that first, if he was so concerned about me going "bad", though removing my ability to protect myself the night before I get killed? I think there is more to that order, and that is, he removed it to make sure I didn't do it, then he can kill me.

Well that is bit too rich to believe from a pro town player. I guess its time to Unvote and Vote: Chaotix. Pizza tomorrow you unless more urgent things appear.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well that is bit too rich to believe from a pro town player. I guess its time to Unvote and Vote: Chaotix. Pizza tomorrow you unless more urgent things appear.

Well I gave it my best shot.

Sorry Chaotix, I am not nearly as awesome as I thought. Time to hit them over the head with the truth and eat the consequences.

[Beskar]

Well I gave it my best shot.

Sorry Chaotix, I am not nearly as awesome as I thought. Time to hit them over the head with the truth and eat the consequences.

There is no proof what Chaotix claimed to you is even true and his behaviour has questioned otherwise. I know what he claimed to you, he also did the same to me. Chaotix's claims get even more disturbing then what I even said, I don't know how much I am allowed to reveal, but lets say, Chaotix was in a more than adequate situation to make sure I am well protected.

[Secura]

You removed Beskar's self-protection and then tried to remove his ability to vig-kill? Where the Dickens was the logic for that? Why remove his self-protection?

At best, you are a Sith... at worst, you might just be the most foolish person that I have ever seen with a power role. Either way, you're a liability, need to die, bye-bye.

[Chaotix]

I DID NOT VIG-KILL BESKAR.

THE SITH KILLED BESKAR.

I am an idiot, but you're all even bigger idiots if you're going to lynch me.

Please do not make me reveal everything. I will do it, and then things will get worse then they are.

[Secura]

(( above post was due to reading incorrectly, still find him suspect, posting anew so vote is in unedited post ))

vote: Chaotix

[Kagemusha]

I DID NOT VIG-KILL BESKAR.

THE SITH KILLED BESKAR.

I am an idiot, but you're all even bigger idiots if you're going to lynch me.

Please do not make me reveal everything. I will do it, and then things will get worse then they are.

Well you only have yourself to blame if that will happen. If you have information that could be harmfull to the town if revealed.Just sit back and wait for death.

[Secura]

I am an idiot, but you're all even bigger idiots if you're going to lynch me.

This is an understatement; why did you remove Beskar's ability to protect?

What use are you to the town if you're going to neuter pro-town roles? Where is the logic in it, Chaotix? Because right now... I see none, all I see is you as a liability to us all.

[atheotes]

Just now, when he said "I am going to send Beskar a private message", when I recieved it, it basically said sorry, but I removed your self-protect and I sent in orders after removing your ability to vig-kil opposed to protecting you. Though, I am surprised he never took that first, if he was so concerned about me going "bad", though removing my ability to protect myself the night before I get killed? I think there is more to that order, and that is, he removed it to make sure I didn't do it, then he can kill me.

So Chaotix is claiming to be this person?


Another figure was out and about and when he reached his destination, he was met with a hallway and quarters blown up. It looked like a bomb had exploded and ripped a hole in the ship side. The person's cabin he intended to visit was just gone and the person was nowhere to be found.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I DID NOT VIG-KILL BESKAR.

THE SITH KILLED BESKAR.

I am an idiot, but you're all even bigger idiots if you're going to lynch me.

Please do not make me reveal everything. I will do it, and then things will get worse then they are.

It would be better for the town to listen to Not-Sith Pizzaguy. Don't lynch Chaotix.

[Beskar]

Also, I just realised. You remember Chaotix saying about the "evil sith holocron" etc?

He never said that he has actually used it publicly. Was he confessing that he is a Sith that used it? His role he claimed, has used the holocron.

Chaotix claimed to have done this:

Count Dooku returned from a previous engagement and was met by a familiar person outside his quarters. “Dooku, we need to talk, let’s enter the privacy of your quarters.” Count Dooku opened the door to his cabin and gestured for the person to enter”.
The person went in and walked over to the living room of this formerly officer’s cabin. He stood there in the middle of the room waiting. Dooku entered: “What was it you wanted to talk to me about?” The person turned around with an accusing stare. “I am sorry, but I have to do this.” And by those words Dooku felt a terrible pain in his mind. He fell to the floor in agony and everything went dark.
Dooku later woke up in his bed with a dried up nose bleed. What had happened to him? And why couldn’t he remember how he got to his cabin?

[Thermal]

Chaotix is being far less professional than usual.


vote: Subotan

[Kagemusha]

Me thinks Chaotix is the Sith and Pizza is his apprentice. Pizza already stated bit way back that he would not do any good for the Sith if recruited and in our earlier exchance in the thread he claimed: Would he be a sith.He would only do what he has done today to save his master.

[Secura]

He's a liability to town even if he is a power role, though; removing Beskar's protect isn't the action of a townie, surely?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Me thinks Chaotix is the Sith and Pizza is his apprentice. Pizza already stated bit way back that he would not do any good for the Sith if recruited and in our earlier exchance in the thread he claimed: Would he be a sith.He would only do what he has done today to save his master.

Oh Kage, epic fail man. :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: khaan

Bandwagon please, at least a minor one. He was unnaturally pushy in trying to get me back towards a Beskar lynch yesterday on Steam, after I had moved my vote off him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: khaan

Bandwagon please, at least a minor one. He was unnaturally pushy in trying to get me back towards a Beskar lynch yesterday on Steam, after I had moved my vote off him.

unvote, vote: Khaan

since I'm not getting lynched.

[Chaotix]

Ok, you all want the truth. Now you can have it.

I am Yoda, the Jedi Grand Master and Expedition Leader.

I was wary of Beskar because of his susceptibility to the Dark Side. In my position, you would all be just as wary. However, I still contacted him.

I pretended that I was the contact of a protector who wanted to protect Beskar. In reality, I was protecting him myself. I had the ability to protect him, but in order to keep him from vig-killing and making himself convertible, I wanted him to send me investigation results to prove he was not killing people.

I protected Beskar for the first two nights, but he did not send me investigation results as I had asked several times. Now I was really starting to be suspicious of him. So, by now I had more powers due to the Jedi Holocron. I used my Force Drain ability to take Beskar's self-protect ability. Presumably, this would require him to rely on me for protection, so that he would be forced to investigate and not do anything else if he wanted protection.

That didn't really work. I still didn;t get investigation results from him, so I decided to take his vig-kill ability last night and be done with it- that way there was no way Beskar would be susceptible to turning over to the Dark Side. Beskar believed my contact was protecting him. Beskar also had his own Self-Protect ability from the Holocron again. He used it on himself, but it didn't work. So even though I did take the protection, that wouldn't and didn't help him.

Beskar found out that he was being attacked (he had to choose a force power for defense) and pm'ed me again for confirmation. Now I scrambled and tried to change my order to protect him, but the round was already over and I could do nothing. I made a huge mistake, but from my perspective I never thought he was going to be attacked. He was under too much pressure from the town for the mafia to conceivably attack him.

I did not want Beskar to die, and I would go back and change it if I could.

But you cannot lynch me. If you do that, you get rid of a third pro-town power role. I'll lay out my abilities exactly for you.

I have:

Force Healing (Jedi Master)- This allows me to protect another player during the night.
Force Protect (Jedi Knight)- This allows me to protect myself; I took this from Beskar.
Drain Knowledge (Grand Master)- This allows me to investigate a player and take an ability if they have one. I am the only player who can ever learn this.
Morichro (Grand Master)- This allows me to roleblock a player. I am the only player who can ever learn this.

In addition to just having the abilities, I can use two of them every night phase. Unless I am protecting myself, they both must be used on the same player.

So, like I said. You really don't want to lynch me. I made a mistake, and I admit that fully. But I will be much more useful alive then dead for the time being.

[Chaotix]

I'm not going to sit by and be lynched, either. Unvote, Vote: khaan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No counterclaim on either Yoda or Expedition leader means it's the truth.

Oh, how it would have been nice if people listened to Not-Sith Pizzaguy.

[Beskar]

That didn't really work. I still didn;t get investigation results from him, so I decided to take his vig-kill ability last night.

Lie, you had the results from my investigation of Pizza, even people in the thread got that.

I never sent my other, as I had no proof you was actually protecting me and you was even inactive due to your Birthday, so I thought, as you never replied to my private message. However, you made the time to remove my protect before replying to my private message.

[Chaotix]

That was one. You had, what, five nights? What happened to those?

[Beskar]

That was one. You had, what, five nights? What happened to those?

I never had 5 nights, I had 4.

I had no results tonight because I was killed.

I investigated two people Pizza and ********

First night I protected myself, as I thought I would have been attacked and you voted against me, so i wasn't even sure to trust your claim or not. Hey, when the push came to the shove when you could have proved it, I died.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Watch what you reveal publicly after Death, Beskar.

edit: Please. :bow:

[Chaotix]

Beskar, in retrospect I totally would've removed your vigilante ability before I even considered the self-protect. However, I now have the self-protect and I will need it if I survive this round.

I had no idea you were going to be attacked; when you actually told me you were certain of it, I tried to change my order but it was too late.

Also, I am a Grand Master. There is a chance that I will get a revive ability, if there is one. Sigurd in his last pm mentioned more protection-type abilities. Who do you think will be revived if I get that ability?

[Secura]

I am Yoda, the Jedi Grand Master and Expedition Leader.

This is the claim that initially made me unvote; it was only due to Beskar bringing other points to light that I voted again.


I was wary of Beskar because of his susceptibility to the Dark Side. In my position, you would all be just as wary.

Most people, but not everyone; I have been maintaining for the entire course of the game that he's trustworthy and legitimate, and it took his death to prove I was correct, unfortunately. The town is down a power role.


Presumably, this would require him to rely on me for protection, so that he would be forced to investigate and not do anything else if he wanted protection.

Is this standard practice of yours, though? To neuter your fellow power roles? I still don't get it, I'm sorry.


Beskar also had his own Self-Protect ability from the Holocron again. He used it on himself, but it didn't work. So even though I did take the protection, that wouldn't and didn't help him.

Beskar actually had an array of abilities that related to fending off night attacks, for example, one worked against lightsabers, another worked against lightning, etcetera, etcetera. Unfortunately for Beskar, the one that you removed from him was the one he needed most, apparantly.


I made a huge mistake, but from my perspective I never thought he was going to be attacked. He was under too much pressure from the town for the mafia to conceivably attack him.

Yet Beskar was always going to be a threat to the Sith, and he kept avoiding the lynch wagons... the Sith would surely have had to take him out at some point, so I'm afraid I can't buy this myself. I've been saying from the beginning to him that he needed someone trustworthy to protect him in case his own protect was negated.


Drain Knowledge (Grand Master)- This allows me to investigate a player and take an ability if they have one. I am the only player who can ever learn this.

Have you found anyone guilty with this ability thus far?


Morichro (Grand Master)- This allows me to roleblock a player. I am the only player who can ever learn this.

Have you roleblocked anyone thus far?


So, like I said. You really don't want to lynch me. I made a mistake, and I admit that fully. But I will be much more useful alive then dead for the time being.

Unless, of course, you find another power role and start stealing their powers too, right?

I don't really know what to make of you, Chaotix; this reminds me of Noblesse Oblige, where you were caught out, revealed yourself to town and basically said "I can change my ways and work with you all!"... this feels like the exact same situation, except this time you're supposed to be a townie.

I'm going to unvote: Chaotix for now, and then go and bang my head against a wall so I can grasp this foolish logic of his. It might start going in with a gaping head wound.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Foolish logic is the mark of townie-ness.

Sith would have a much more sensible, heroic version of events.

[Secura]

Drain Knowledge (Grand Master)- This allows me to investigate a player and take an ability if they have one. I am the only player who can ever learn this.

Something I forgot to ask about this ability:

You used this on Beskar and removed his self-protect ability, correct? You stated that it has a built-in investigation with it... what did it say about Beskar?

[Methos]

Beskar was completely immune to the Dark Side as long as he didn't kill anyone;

I disagree. I was a Jedi Master and nothing in my PM stated I was immune to conversion.


Beskar had eight abilities until one was stolen from him by the Sith,

This is incorrect too. Some are powers and some are abilities. There is a difference. I would suggest you understand the difference before arguing them.


Beskar is dead now, who is going to answer for that? Because he says it's you, and all I see is someone passing the buck to someone that they can't name.

My guess is Beskar was chosen as the Sith realized they couldn't get him lynched. What's the point of keeping him around if lynch-bait isn't working?

[Methos]

Second, he was concerned about Niklas due to the death of Mace Windu:

My discussion with Beskar is what prompted me do a re-read of the thread, mainly targetted at Niklas. As far as I was aware, Beskar was intending to investigate Niklas last night. I believe Niklas got him first.

Vote: Niklas

I made the mistake early on of informing to Renata certain information about myself. Not because of Renata's role, but simply because I'm known to always talk to Renata. When Renata informed to Beskar that she knew who Mace Windu was Niklas just happened to be online and Renata grabbed up Niklas to help her out, without telling Niklas who Mace Windu was. The problem with this, as Secura has already stated, is that I'm known to talk with Renata and since Niklas has known us both for a long time, he more then likely suspected as well. Plus, I had made the mistake early on of saying I recognized the actor of my character and since I'm not a Star Wars fan, that really narrowed things down as well.

Simply put, more then likely Niklas suspected I was the real Mace Windu fairly early in the game, so Beskar's logic is invalid. As you all know, its the problem of playing and conversing with the same people all the time.

Personally, I don't think Niklas is Sith.

[Secura]

I disagree. I was a Jedi Master and nothing in my PM stated I was immune to conversion.

Beskar was adamant and repeatedly maintained that he was only susceptible if he began killing.


This is incorrect too. Some are powers and some are abilities. There is a difference. I would suggest you understand the difference before arguing them.

Powers, abilities. Swings, roundabouts. It's all just semantics, Methos, don't be a pedant, my friend.

He had eight Jedi powers/abilities/whateveryouwannacall'em, ranging from different sorts of protection to weird things that made no sense.


My guess is Beskar was chosen as the Sith realized they couldn't get him lynched. What's the point of keeping him around if lynch-bait isn't working?

Which I stated a few posts back, good sir. :bow:

[Methos]

Ibn-Khaldun is dead, he isn't allowed to reveal it to the town,

This isn't correct. I contacted Sigurd after my death regarding what I can and cannot reveal and basically if it isn't in the OP, then its up to the player.

[Secura]

This isn't correct. I contacted Sigurd after my death regarding what I can and cannot reveal and basically if it isn't in the OP, then its up to the player.

I stated that as it's standard game practice, usually, but fair enough.

Do you have anything to reveal that is pertinent to finding scum?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I DID NOT VIG-KILL BESKAR.

THE SITH KILLED BESKAR.

I am an idiot, but you're all even bigger idiots if you're going to lynch me.

Please do not make me reveal everything. I will do it, and then things will get worse then they are.

That's not how mafia works. If you are the main suspect then you reveal. Good mafia ALWAYS fake claim a power role. See psychonaut in Shadow Fort. You have self protect for goodness sake.

unvote, vote:khaan

We should look for a good wagon however.

[Methos]

I can't recall who said it (Sasaki maybe?), but someone mentioned that they had been talking to Beskar for the 24 hours prior to his death, so let me explain something I've seen regarding Beskar in this game. First off, I didn't trust Beskar, so I had Renata be my middle man, yet in the thread, Beskar stated he knew me. Blatant lie. Second, Beskar claimed to know who the expedition leader was, yet in a conversation with Renata, Beskar informed her that he didn't know who the expedition leader was, but was also going through a middle man.

So, for those of you going off of what Beskar stated prior to his dead, note the above examples that show how much he exaggerates and lies about what and who he knows. Consider that with anything he's informed you. This is one of the reasons I tend not to trust him, even when he's confirmed townie by death.

[Renata]

I suggest Psychonaut be given a look; I think my post on him got lost in the scuffle.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Methos

I lie all the time as a townie. It's vital to keep information out of the mafia's hands.

I told a steady stream of lies throughout Capo III to protect my interests and the lives of others. There are always infiltrators.

[Methos]

Do you have anything to reveal that is pertinent to finding scum?

My apologies if I've upset you, but even though I'm dead, I still have the right to play. And if anything, my comments do help find scum, as I'm giving reasons why someone shouldn't be considered scum. I guess I should be apologizing because my statements go against your own.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suggest Psychonaut be given a look; I think my post on him got lost in the scuffle.

Yess, that's who I was forgetting.

unvote:khaan, vote:psychonaut

[Chaotix]

This actually reminds me more of Netherworld II, where I was a power role, made some dumb, scummy-looking moves, and got myself lynched. You'd think I would learn. :laugh4:

I think Beskar is too angry to consider me anything but mafia right now. But really, if I was mafia then this was an even poorer move than it is now as a pro-town. I told a pro-town role with contacts that I was going to protect him, and then I killed him? Really? And I didn't expect him to tell Secura all about it and get a bandwagon started on me?

Obviously I didn't intend for Beskar to die.

I will answer all of Secura's questions right now, and then I have to go. I will try to be back later.

First, the drain ability. The only merit I see in it right now is that I can use it to remove vigilante abilities. I am completely immune to the Dark Side.

Before, I realized that taking Beskar's protection would leave him vulnerable. I did not expect him to be attacked, but I was planning on continuing to protect him after I took the vig ability anyway. Also, I did not fully trust Beskar- I didn't want him to have it if he turned. The whole thing was a mistake. I admit that.

The investigation part said he was Count Dooku and that he was susceptible to the Dark Side.

I have used the Drain on no-one else, so I do not know if it will yield a "guilty" result, or only a "susceptible/unsusceptible" result. I actually believe that most townies are susceptible.

As for Morichro- I have not yet used it.

There is a rather easy way of finding out if I am telling the truth. You (or someone confirmed innocent) give me someone to either Drain or Roleblock, in private, then I do it and I give you the result. We know the Drain in particular should show up in the write-up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yess, that's who I was forgetting.

unvote:khaan, vote:psychonaut

Was there ever a reason for Khaan, or was it just because he's not talkative?

I vaguely remember a case for Psychonaut's lynch back there.... in the mound of posts even I won't re-read.
unvote, vote: Psychonaut

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is "power drain" a jedi type power and not a sith?

Beskar could very well just be out for revenge, and we should lynch psychonaut. But we should be wary of a fakeclaim here. Although, since he's claimed expedition leader, and there is a town expedition leader right?

[Chaotix]

I'm supporting the Psychonaut wagon because I'm assuming it's going to go somewhere and replace me for the lead. First it was ATPG, then khaan, and now this, but the more bandwagons we try to start, the more stragglers get left behind and the more votes I have in comparison.

Unvote, Vote: Psychonaut.

[Chaotix]

I am unsure if Drain Knowledge or Morichro are really Jedi powers within the canon. All I know is that they say "Grand Master" next to them.

I don't know if we can count on the powers always matching up. Didn't Methos have Force Lightning?

[pevergreen]

Do you have a green lightsaber?

[Beskar]

Psychonaut might not be the sith you are looking for.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Psychonaut might not be the sith you are looking for.

WHY?

innuendo is a time waster

[Secura]

My apologies if I've upset you, but even though I'm dead, I still have the right to play. And if anything, my comments do help find scum, as I'm giving reasons why someone shouldn't be considered scum. I guess I should be apologizing because my statements go against your own.

You misunderstand, you haven't upset me Methos, don't worry about that! :P

What I meant to say is that, considering you were a Master and you're not withheld from revealing things you know in-thread, is there anything you may have learned that potentially points to someone being Sith?


I told a pro-town role with contacts that I was going to protect him, and then I killed him? Really? And I didn't expect him to tell Secura all about it and get a bandwagon started on me?

You say he's pro-town here, but then why go to all these lengths? You're one heck of a silly moo, Chaotix!

And yes, Beskar kept me informed when he was told that he was under attack, to make sure that someone was able to carry his suspicions into the thread in the event he died. I'm just the messenger, treacle.


Obviously I didn't intend for Beskar to die.

That much is clear, there is sincerity in your posts... it doesn't really change matters, but at least you're sorry about it.


I am completely immune to the Dark Side.

I had predicted this, I'm glad to see I was right; but it does make you a target for night attacks, unfortunately. It's lucky you have Beskar's ability now, I guess.


The investigation part said he was Count Dooku and that he was susceptible to the Dark Side.

I have used the Drain on no-one else, so I do not know if it will yield a "guilty" result, or only a "susceptible/unsusceptible" result. I actually believe that most townies are susceptible.

Then this actually changes everything; I would wager that anyone from Padawan onwards would get a similar investigation result. I believe Initiates (which seem to be base-level, vanilla townies) are immune to recruitment, as it seems they can't even wield lightsabers or use the Force.

[naut]

Interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting. Be right back with multi-quote, :bow:

Chaotix you can role-block correct? Why not role-block me tonight.


Psychonaut might not be the sith you are looking for.
Cheers buddy. But, these people seem insistent on shooting themselves in the foot. =)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting. Be right back with multi-quote, :bow:

Chaotix you can role-block correct? Why not role-block me tonight.


Cheers buddy. But, these people seem insistent on shooting themselves in the foot. =)

It's called role claiming for the love of god.

Soft claim = scum

Not always, but it amounts to the same thing.

[naut]

In summary you've read way too into my posts. You've made mountains out of mole hills. Impressive, but misguided. You've essentially ascertained how my Role character acts, very diplomatic, very calm. I've been trying to roleplay, sorry for any confusion this may have provided unto you.


Continuing on, in 796 there's Psychonaut asserting that Beskar is not pro-town but neutral (repeated in 804). What the heck is that?
Let me explain, I had good reason to believe he was neutral, something about colours not aligning and whispers in the darkness. Etc.


but it doesn't hold up. There's no reason for Beskar to need to prove his investigative ability unless there is some reason to suspect he is no innocent, and if there's reason for that, then anyone might legitimately vote for him. Psychonaut is trying to have it both ways: to encourage suspicion in numerous different ways while simultaneously chucking mud at almost anyone who votes for him. Nice tactic, but not one that looks like town. You know that stereotypical "the mafia are just laughing at us" thing that gets trotted out whenever two people are having a big argument, and then half the time the person who says that is mafia? Well this is the first time I can remember finding something that actually looks like a laughing mafia.
Let me explain. In private I contacted Beskar, a few times. Not much, but a few. And on one hand I dislike town networks, but on the other I had good reason too. So my posts, are probably just as torn as I was then.


As an aside, 991 is actually the post that first drew my attention. It's only commenting on the write-up:

but it feels out of place, contrived. I've been "concerned for the rest of us" since Night Zero, you know? Anyway, that's what got me looking to find all of the above, though it's next to nothing in itself.
Hmmmm. No.

[naut]

Soft claim = scum
You want a hard claim.

Fine:

I am Obi-Wan Kenobi. I provided Beskar with the list he posted earlier and I will add three more if I may: (29/40)

Obi-Wan Kenobi
Count Dooku
Yoda
Kenth Hamner
Dhidal Nyz
Aayla Secura
Sifo Dyas
Atris
Barrison Draay
Kyp Durron
Corran Horn
Tahiri Veila
Qui-Gon Jinn
Palpatine
Luke Skywalker
X2
Jacen Solo
Galen Marek
Galleros Nul
Daye Azur-Jamin
Den Siva
Eeth Koth
Hoth
Barriss Offee
Anakin Skywalker
Mace Windu
Belth Allusis
Koffi Arana
Micah Giiett

Now. Come get me Sith I am ready to face my death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you can basically confirm that chaotix is yoda? I assume he can protect you anyway.

[Secura]

Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans... it's like we want the Sith to win or something tonight. >.<

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/wh-double-facepalm.jpg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sadly, the people acting "unnatural" are often doing so because they have a pro town role.

[naut]

So you can basically confirm that chaotix is yoda? I assume he can protect you anyway.
Yes. He is Yoda. At least to the extent of my limited and jumbled knowledge. I've been trying to identify who is Palpatine, but I just can't get a good lock on them. Most frustrating.

[naut]

Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans... it's like we want the Sith to win or something tonight. >.<

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/wh-double-facepalm.jpg
Tell me about it. The town almost deserves to lose after this shambles. Luckily for us, we do have other masters, such as Qui-gonn, who can still help our cause.

[Thermal]

Sadly, the people acting "unnatural" are often doing so because they have a pro town role.

Terrible.

[TheFlax]

I am unsure if Drain Knowledge or Morichro are really Jedi powers within the canon. All I know is that they say "Grand Master" next to them.

I don't know if we can count on the powers always matching up. Didn't Methos have Force Lightning?

Yes, they are both canon and I've seen various iteration of them in various Star Wars RPGs.

I've browsed Wookiepedia and what is said looks about right:

Drain Knowledge (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Drain_Knowledge)

Morichro (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Morichro)

I would like to also note that in many Star Wars games, Force Healing and Force Protect are light side powers.

[Chaotix]

I can either go along with the planned roleblock I have made in private, or I can protect Obi-Wan tonight.

Psycho, please PM me and tell me whether or not you have or need protection.

[naut]

In other news. I was going to come here and vote, Niklas, before all these shenanigans erupted. I am fairly certain he was your leak Beskar, fairly, but not 100%.

Vote: Niklas

[autolycus]

I think khaan is the best candidate of those I've seen so far, although I might shift over to niklas. vote: khaan

[Chaotix]

Well, we can't continue to vote for Psycho if he is Obi-Wan.

Unvote, Vote: Niklas

This is the best lynch today.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:Niklas

Do we in fact know that there was a leak? Someone figured on Beskar being vulnerable yes?

[Secura]

unvote, vote:Niklas

Do we in fact know that there was a leak? Someone figured on Beskar being vulnerable yes?

Niklas was our main suspect after Pizza, I think. Beskar can clarify.

vote: Niklas

[Askthepizzaguy]

YAY WAGON REVERSAL

unvote, vote: Niklas


Also, it's nice to know I won't be recruited for my secret knowledge anymore. Now I can just be killed outright, WOO-HOO

[Beskar]

If there was, Niklas would have found out or worked it out. (due to close promixation to Renata, etc)

I investigated him tonight, shame I was killed before I got a clear answer.

[Chaotix]

YAY WAGON REVERSAL

unvote, vote: Niklas


Also, it's nice to know I won't be recruited for my secret knowledge anymore. Now I can just be killed outright, WOO-HOO

You may still be recruited for WIFOM. Don't get your hopes up. :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You may still be recruited for WIFOM. Don't get your hopes up. :clown:

What's the point? I'm lynchbait.

Might as well recruit an old dog on his way to the vet to be put to sleep. He's a real winner.

[Diana Abnoba]

Beskar how did you KNOW you were going to be killed last night?

[Beskar]

Beskar how did you KNOW you were going to be killed last night?

I didn't. Basically was told when the night orders send in was over, and I checked in with my "protector" who failed to actually send any night orders in to protect me who turned around and said that it was actually sent in.

[Diamondeye]

Oookay when I read the first posts of the day I was all hyped on lynching Chaotix, but his claim makes perfect sense to me. So, too, does Psychonaut's.

Hence, I am going to vote: Niklas, who is the top suspect. I'm sort of suspicious about Pizza, who seems to have dropped the ball entirely with his WIFOM, and Tincow, but that might just be because he seems to know more than what's going on in the thread (discarding the Chaotix lynch and voting Niklas before the reveal).

[Renata]

Yes. He is Yoda. At least to the extent of my limited and jumbled knowledge. I've been trying to identify who is Palpatine, but I just can't get a good lock on them. Most frustrating.

Geez Louise. Psycho, if you're town, you did a WONDERFUL impression of a mafia.

Please explain your ability. As indicated somewhere in that wall-of-text Niklas did way back wherever, I find it inherently dubious. This comment doesn't help much. You can't get a good lock? What does that mean? What do you do? Why are you claiming credit for identifying roles as being in the game when 80% of them are dead or otherwise revealed in the write-ups and 2/3 of the rest are no-brainers?

I hate this lynch. It's not a horrific one based on evidence available, but based on personal experience with him as a mafia player (and one objective data point that will prove nothing to anyone but me), I am almost sure Niklas is innocent. I knew there was a risk of multiple mis-lynches when I brought up the leak theory, so it's my own fault, but I don't have to like it.

[Renata]

Also, all those posts were role-playing Obi-wan? In what universe?

Sorry, but it's three in the morning, I'm feeling sick, and I'm cranky about this.

[Renata]

One more thing as long as I'm likely shooting myself in the foot anyway --

You revealed to Beskar just yesterday, right? As in, right around the time when the mafia would have been deciding they had no chance of getting Beskar lynched after all, and so would have had incentive to make any last minute reveals they might want to make to him to grab any townie cred or contacts they could get out of it?

I want a full explanation of that ability.

[Renata]

My most suspicious person based on in-thread activity matches up with my most suspicious revealed role based on second-hand information -- no way I'm dropping this.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote, Vote: Renata.Well if not Niklas then maybe you are the Sith. Looking back the two of you worked pretty hard discrediting Beskar during the last day session.

[Renata]

Argh. I'm not suicidal.

[Renata]

unvote, vote:Niklas

Do we in fact know that there was a leak? Someone figured on Beskar being vulnerable yes?

There are two (three actually) potential evidences of a leak. Csargo's death, Methos' death, and Beskar's death. They need different treatment.

Csargo: Has been gone over before how he might have been evidence of a leak, but he did also vote for himself in the thread, which might have drawn mafia attention.
Methos: Much harder to explain why the mafia would have gone for him without a leak. It now think that they did (as Beskar's death removes all concern about him and Secura, and I think Niklas is innocent), but it's not obvious why.
Beskar: Mafia motivation for killing him doesn't need explanation, but the fact that they tried on a night when he wasn't protected perhaps does. I don't know who had access to that information prior to Beskar being informed of the attack on him. (I didn't; to my knowledge Niklas did not.) Chaotix or Beskar might be able to say.

To sum up, we don't know for a fact there was a leak. I believe there wasn't as regards Csargo or Niklas, and have no information as regards Beskar's vulnerability.

[Andres]

Well, town is doing a great job in finding the people who behave off. Unfortunately, it are all pro-town power roles :wall:

Hmmm, wasn't there a group sharing all info from the beginning of the game, consisting of Beskar, Niklas, Renata and Secura?

I asked this question in one of the first rounds before: who was the most careless with information? That's probably your leak.

Getting bad vibes from TinCow and Diamondeye. Mostly Diamondeye. Somebody should do a reread on him. EDIT: nothing wrong with Diamondeye's previous posts; bad vibes are coming from his last post only I think.

GH hasn't been very talkative either in this game.

[atheotes]

Here is an alternate theory:
Mafia did not know that Methos was Mace Windu. They attacked him and found that they could kill Jedi Masters without much difficulty. So they decided to go for Beskar and him beinng unprotected was a coincidence.

[Beskar]

Here is an alternate theory:
Mafia did not know that Methos was Mace Windu. They attacked him and found that they could kill Jedi Masters without much difficulty. So they decided to go for Beskar and him beinng unprotected was a coincidence.

Confession?

[Andres]

I agree there is no point going in circles. For me this is just clear cut risk management. I think you would do the same in my shoes.


So you want to leave a perfect replacement with vital information alive and well. What a grand strategy.


Just lynch ATPG and we have one less risk to worry about.I am sure after this fiasco Sith´s will take care of Chaotix.


Well wouldnt you agree that leaving you alive is bit of an unnecesessary risk to take?


If the majority will decide not to lynch pizza in situation where he committed de facto suicide by contacting the contact of Chaotix in his current position.Which he knows perfectly well himself also. In that case the town deserves to loose by playing more irrationally then should be possible.


Well if we dont have results that are water proof.That doesnt work as your alibi either, so you could have been Sith all along. If we dont have a Sith to lynch.The next best thing is possible/recruitable Sith that carries valuable information with him.

EDIT: Chaotix i did unvote and vote pizza its there.

vs.


Unvote, Vote: Renata.Well if notNiklas then maybe you are the Sith. Looking back the two of you worked pretty hard discrediting Beskar during the last day session.

This 180° turn is odd. And very unusual for you, Kage. Are you, by any chance, scum?

[Kagemusha]

vs.



This 180° turn is odd. And very unusual for you, Kage. Are you, by any chance, scum?

Could be because my whole theory got trashed. It is not as if it would have been wise to vote for Yoda /Chaotix now do you think? I think Atheotes could have a point there. Maybe the whole start of the game fiasco is based on that a) Jedi´s play so badly that they look scummy and b) All the information behinf scenes are handed out with too light reasonings, while c)The pro town roles are way to hasty to reveal themselves.I guess now all the remaining jedi masters are out in open.

So this could leave us with situation that the Sith have nothing to do with any networks and they are just laughing themselves blue while town does their job for them, while they remain hidden.

[Andres]

Could be because my whole theory got trashed. It is not as if it would have been wise to vote for Yoda /Chaotix now do you think?

It's just that I would have thought you'd have continued to insist on lynching Pizza, since everybody happily keeps giving him info knowing that he's recruitable by the Sith. That's the kind of stubborness I'm used to from you.

:shrug:

[atheotes]

Confession?

I am disappointed that you had investigative powers and still did not test your theory of me being mafia :laugh4:

[Beskar]

I am disappointed that you had investigative powers and still did not test your theory of me being mafia :laugh4:

That would be metagaming.

[Kagemusha]

It's just that I would have thought you'd have continued to insist on lynching Pizza, since everybody happily keeps giving him info knowing that he's recruitable by the Sith. That's the kind of stubborness I'm used to from you.

:shrug:

Im stubborn to the point when i still believe myself to do the right thing.This isnt first time i have admitted being wrong. Pizzas actions speak volumes about his current situation.Basically he was trying to get himself lynched so Chaotix could have remained hidden.That is something only pro town would do.Also now that Chaotix is out in the open.Pizza doesnt carry anything too dangerous with him. Still like i said before.I beg you people.Think before you share any vital information to others.

[Andres]

Im stubborn to the point when i still believe myself to do the right thing.This isnt first time i have admitted being wrong. Pizzas actions speak volumes about his current situation.Basically he was trying to get himself lynched so Chaotix could have remained hidden.That is something only pro town would do.Also now that Chaotix is out in the open.Pizza doesnt carry anything too dangerous with him. Still like i said before.I beg you people.Think before you share any vital information to others.

That's reasonable :bow:

What's bothering me is that, for all the talk about "we're not doing townie networks" there are apparently people working together behind the scenes, among them those against townie networks.

I'm not going to organise stuff in terms of night actions, but from now on, my pm box is open if people want to discuss things in private with me or want to reveal information to a confirmed innocent.

TinCow and GH are in need of attention.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hello everyone. I have a serious post for a change, yay.


I've been sitting on the sidelines for a while because I've had my trustworthiness dragged through the mud a bit, a lot of that was my fault, and some of it was me being exposed as recruit-able. It's not been a good game for me. So, I've had some time to think and watch this fiasco unfold.
I've recently been scanned as Not-Sith by a guy who just got murdered by a Sith, and there was no recruitment since. So I have some of my credibility back, so hopefully you will listen.
The current track we are on is dumb. I think you'll all agree it's dumb. We've, in the past few rounds, successfully shot ourselves in the foot, the other foot, and somehow and inexplicably, a third foot.
Our discussion is too focused and too voluminous and we're all basically focused on one or two candidates and the usual suspects have turned out to be useful, not scum.
Meanwhile, certain folks, a good chunk of the players, are sitting on the sidelines laughing their butts off at our misfortune and self-destruction.
It's time for a change. Tomorrow, we need to do a new plan, a new strategy, a new tactic.


Somewhere among the passive, non-resistant, compliant players lurks the mafia scum who are enjoying the present cluster. Don't know where they are. But, like a dolphin being caught in a tuna net, we should be able to catch them if we cast a wide enough net and put pressure on several stinky fish at once. We might have more to discuss, and we might have more to analyze, and we might have more divergent opinions, had we a good 8-10 potential candidates instead of one or two random ones.

Do I expect we will lynch a scum right away using this method? No, maybe not right away. But, out of those 8-10 candidates, one or more likely to be scum, we might get 2 or 3 votes on a scumbag. And, with a margin of 1 or 2 votes between candidates, it might put some pressure on the mafia to actually pay attention, and place a vote in a defensive fashion to keep himself or his scumbag teammates alive. Even if they don't, they will have to end up on the record with a more divergent vote than "one of the 12 votes against player J" which is a little difficult for me to analyze. And we might just get lucky and vote a scumbag and they might have to let said scum eat the lynch so the others don't get exposed. Remember, all those things you fear the most when you're a mafioso in other games? Having to choose between defending a teammate or letting them die? When there's 8 votes on a townie, you're not as worried!

I also don't see why we have so many posts per round when we don't have more than a couple candidates to choose from, which effectively scrub the town clean of all pro-town roles. The pro-towns will claim and the mafia will not flinch and maybe not claim a role, or maybe they will and we've established a pattern of letting them live. Gonna be tough to catch mafia this way, there's nothing to analyze and once the bandwagon is there, the mafia can go back to sleep because they couldn't reverse it anyway and they probably don't want to.

So, in summary, I recommend putting together a list of 8-10 different suspects, people who have had less pressure on them all game, and who have been passive, quiet, compliant followers, just posting enough not to be WOG'ed, who haven't made many waves or made too many controversial decisions. You know, the "TevashSzat in Godfather III" middle-of-the-roaders. Put some pressure on them. Get them discussing and voting and slightly worried they might get lynched. Then, we get a good 8-10 different people to each place a nomination vote on said suspects. Don't put more than a few votes on any given candidate, no massive wagons. Get a discussion going, get people to defend themselves, and after a little bit, and after people have weighed in, then decide as a group and put the lynching votes on a candidate. If you want I can give you a list of 8-10 candidates which I feel could use some extra scrutiny. Or, you could assemble a list yourselves, do what you like.

That's my proposal.

I don't know. A different process than the one we have now. What we're doing right now is lowering our collective IQ and helping the mafia win. This plan will not be worse than what we are doing now, and, we will have different suspects and a possibility of meaningful discussion and maybe forcing some participation from certain people. It's clear what we are doing is fail, so let's switch tactics. Anyone in favor of this just do so next round, or comment now.

[Kagemusha]

I think Pizza is making lot of sense.Infact im already compiling such a list after i learned the error in my ways from my actions earlier this day phase.Unvote. A Very Super Market, what brought you in this day phase? You have total of 2 posts in this game,both from this day phase while you abstained in your vote. Avoiding WOG are we?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scummy vibe:

White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by, and you're darn good at it too. 7 posts? You can do better.
Yaseikhaan- A master of lurking, especially as scum. Because it's your usual thing, you have a pass to do it over and over. You could stand a little more scrutiny.
autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.
Jolt- Feels like you're just slipping by.
Greyblades- Not a big splash so far.
Thermal Mercury- Gone are the days when you rivaled me in post count. When did YOU become so quiet? :inquisitive:

Lurking too much:

A Very Super Market- He always does this, but this is even worse than usual. He seems to be avoiding the WOG intentionally.
Lord Winter- WOGbait in other games. He has exactly one post so he should be rightly booted out soon, and if he's not, he should be lynched.
Yaropolk- 7 posts?
Centurion1- 4 posts?


So I'd put some of these fine folks to death soon. Not sure who I'm going to nominate but I will probably pick one of these.

[naut]

Yaseikhaan would be a very good vote. If we can get enough votes. :bow:

[Secura]

It's just that I would have thought you'd have continued to insist on lynching Pizza, since everybody happily keeps giving him info knowing that he's recruitable by the Sith. That's the kind of stubborness I'm used to from you.

I still maintain the hypothesis that everyone is susceptible to conversion with the exception of the Grand Master and Initiates, based mostly on investigation results we've been privy to.


They attacked him and found that they could kill Jedi Masters without much difficulty.

It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.

[TinCow]

My suspicions of Niklas have been satisfied by his in-thread responses and some private discussion.

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan

I am willing to entertain this line of investigation.

[White_eyes:D]

Scummy vibe:

White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:
And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:

So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:

[Yaropolk]

Scummy vibe:

White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by, and you're darn good at it too. 7 posts? You can do better.
Yaseikhaan- A master of lurking, especially as scum. Because it's your usual thing, you have a pass to do it over and over. You could stand a little more scrutiny.
autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.
Jolt- Feels like you're just slipping by.
Greyblades- Not a big splash so far.
Thermal Mercury- Gone are the days when you rivaled me in post count. When did YOU become so quiet? :inquisitive:

Lurking too much:

A Very Super Market- He always does this, but this is even worse than usual. He seems to be avoiding the WOG intentionally.
Lord Winter- WOGbait in other games. He has exactly one post so he should be rightly booted out soon, and if he's not, he should be lynched.
Yaropolk- 7 posts?
Centurion1- 4 posts?


So I'd put some of these fine folks to death soon. Not sure who I'm going to nominate but I will probably pick one of these.

I'm on vacation this week and doing all my reading form a blackberry. I don't intend to get more active than this. I'll Vote: Lord Winter for previously stated reasons (He's got a sith lord name built in!)

[Andres]

My suspicions of Niklas have been satisfied by his in-thread responses and some private discussion.

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan

I am willing to entertain this line of investigation.

:inquisitive:

I'm starting to find you suspicious.

[Subotan]

I agree with most of ATPG's analysis, apart from:


pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.


Or it might suggest that he has a pro-town role. :juggle2:

To reprise my earlier role:

Vote:AVSM

[TinCow]

:inquisitive:

I'm starting to find you suspicious.

I'm not going to continue pushing for someone's lynch when they have given good and logical responses to all my accusations. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.

[pevergreen]

Or it might suggest that he has a pro-town role. :juggle2:

Remember my big post in Mafia?

Yeah. I used to hang out in the top 5 posters. I'm working my way back up to that, hoping to reach it by the time Settlement 2 comes along, where I'll be taking the ferry over to shelbyville, because I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I had to take the ferry to morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville in those days. I had an onion tied to my belt, because it was the style at the time. We couldn't get white ones because of the war, so I had a big yellow one. Anyway, back then the ferry cost a nickel. "Gimme five bees for a quarter" you'd say.

Anyway, the important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, since it was the style at the time.

[Renata]

Yaseikhaan would be a very good vote. If we can get enough votes. :bow:

Why are you avoiding my questions, Psychonaut? You were all about pressuring Beskar to reveal his investigation results, but you don't even want to say what your investigation *is*.

I think I forgot this earlier:
unvote: vote: Psychonaut

Pizza's suggestion is just simple good sense in general, but the way things are going I don't think I'll have reason to move my own vote any time soon.

[Andres]

Why are you avoiding my questions, Psychonaut? You were all about pressuring Beskar to reveal his investigation results, but you don't even want to say what your investigation *is*.

I think I forgot this earlier:
unvote: vote: Psychonaut

Pizza's suggestion is just simple good sense in general, but the way things are going I don't think I'll have reason to move my own vote any time soon.

Psycho claimed Obi-Wan, said he forwarded his results to Chaotix and Chaotix aka Yoda didn't call Psycho a liar who needs to be lynched...

:inquisitive:

[Diamondeye]

I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

[Renata]

Well, town is doing a great job in finding the people who behave off. Unfortunately, it are all pro-town power roles :wall:

Hmmm, wasn't there a group sharing all info from the beginning of the game, consisting of Beskar, Niklas, Renata and Secura?

No, we've never shared all information. We crossed paths on a few things, and I believe we all know each others' roles at this point, but that's it. Most of it is just us all being on MSN at the same times and so naturally talking about the game rather a lot.


I asked this question in one of the first rounds before: who was the most careless with information? That's probably your leak.

Unfortunately the answer remains Beskar.


Getting bad vibes from TinCow and Diamondeye. Mostly Diamondeye. Somebody should do a reread on him. EDIT: nothing wrong with Diamondeye's previous posts; bad vibes are coming from his last post only I think.

I have no especially bad vibes about Diamondeye, but he needs to be, erm, encouraged to talk a bit more than he has. He's on MSN too, but hasn't been chatty.


GH hasn't been very talkative either in this game.

Not talkative per se, but his position on Beskar was rather hard to miss.

[Renata]

Psycho claimed Obi-Wan, said he forwarded his results to Chaotix and Chaotix aka Yoda didn't call Psycho a liar who needs to be lynched...

:inquisitive:

Forgive me if I'm a little bit unconvinced of Chaotix' good judgment at this point.

My issue with his ability is not the results per se, though I may yet ask for them also; it's the lack of information on what the power even is. The way he's presented it is nonsensical and on its face looks like he's presented it as something other than what it really is. He keeps saying he's verified whatever roles are in the game, but the vast majority of them are PUBLIC information. What *is* his ability?

[Kagemusha]

Vote: AVSM forgot to vote him when i unvoted Renata.

[Thermal]

@ ATPG

Perhaps a combination of hosting this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127493-Identity-Crisis) and this (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=351253), as well as this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127252-Graphics-For-Games), not to mention playing t (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play) h (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore!-In-Play) ese games and still observing o (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127662-Haiku-Mafia) t (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126790-The-Rock-amp-Roll-Hall-of-Fame-In-Play) her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123525-Resident-Evil-Discussion-Thread) games (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348118), whilst promoting mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=351248) at the TWC, as well as adding to my workshop (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=345920) plus discussing here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?48-Frontroom), not to mention reviewing AAR's (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=346185) and interviewing (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?u=28138) people, along with blogging (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/blog.php) and rating (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114103&page=117), has something to do with it... :juggle2:

[Renata]

I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

What gives you that vibe on TinCow? Just that one post you referred to, or is there anything else?

You don't remember GH voting Beskar each round?


Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

[Renata]

Also DE you're at least the third vote on AVSM, which isn't exactly sharing the joy (what Pizza actually advocated).

[Kagemusha]

What gives you that vibe on TinCow? Just that one post you referred to, or is there anything else?

You don't remember GH voting Beskar each round?

And he would give himself up by that? I think we should drop everything concerning Beskar for a moment and look in other directions.As the whole Beskar affair has cost us enough already.

[Renata]

"And he would give himself up by that?"

I don't know what you mean by this. My comment was directed at Diamondeye's statement that GH had never joined the major discussions. He may not have said much, but he certainly made himself heard on the Beskar issue, at least.

[Kagemusha]

"And he would give himself up by that?"

I don't know what you mean by this. My comment was directed at Diamondeye's statement that GH had never joined the major discussions. He may not have said much, but he certainly made himself heard on the Beskar issue, at least.

What i mean that would GH be Sith, would he give up himself by so blatantly by attacking Beskar continuosly?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:

That's never stopped you before. :beam:


And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:

So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:

Well this all sounds like a lie. You also seem to be implying you have beans to spill. Our naughty parts are just all exposed today, aren't they? Who could have done this to us, could it beeeeeeeee.... Satan? [/church lady]



I'm on vacation this week and doing all my reading form a blackberry. I don't intend to get more active than this. I'll Vote: Lord Winter for previously stated reasons (He's got a sith lord name built in!)

Hmmm, I mention your name and you pop out of thin air, reading this massive thread from a blackberry. *ahem* Subotan in Mafia IX syndrome *ahem*

Interesting you pick the one candidate who couldn't possibly be offended by your vote, since he's limp as a ragdoll and is currently filling the pro-town role of "dust collection enthusiast..." :beam:


I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

Hey, I was all for Generalhankerchief dying by lynch, by Sith Lord, by falling down the stairs, by accidentally inhaling too much oxygen, or from the slow accumulation of too much swallowed saliva, dissolving his intestinal tract, but some peoples were all like, No Pizzaguy, he might have tried to lynch you for being all "grrrr" and contrarian, but he's not mafia. So I gave that my best shot.

As for TinCow, it seems as though he's doing stuff we all should be doing, which is using thoughtful reasoning and discussing. If he's scum, he's shamed us all. (I smell an ironic signature in my future)



@ ATPG

Perhaps a combination of hosting this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127493-Identity-Crisis) and this (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=351253), as well as this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127252-Graphics-For-Games), not to mention playing t (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play) h (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore!-In-Play) ese games and still observing o (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127662-Haiku-Mafia) t (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126790-The-Rock-amp-Roll-Hall-of-Fame-In-Play) her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123525-Resident-Evil-Discussion-Thread) games (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348118), whilst promoting mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=351248) at the TWC, as well as adding to my workshop (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=345920) plus discussing here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?48-Frontroom), not to mention reviewing AAR's (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=346185) and interviewing (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?u=28138) people, along with blogging (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/blog.php) and rating (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114103&page=117), has something to do with it... :juggle2:

Hmm, all that must absolve you of being scum here. You can't be mafia, because your shirt is too red and it smells like herring.



Well at least I've prompted a few scummy people to give their scum defenses filled with scum.

[Renata]

What i mean that would GH be Sith, would he give up himself by so blatantly by attacking Beskar continuosly?

It was a very high-risk move, so my first instinct says no. He does need to continue to make himself accountable now that Beskar is dead, but he's not at the top of my suspect list.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I do think AVSM and khaan should go.

But we need a vote count before we start shifting votes, else we'll end up lynching chaotix by accident.

And we shouldn't do big lists because it guides the mafia on who to kill too much.

[atheotes]

It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.

It is not contradictory...I was talking abt the Sith lord (assuming he is the one killing with Force powers) when i said they.

[Andres]

I've been hearing rumours of 'khaan being in a group or a network, which is odd, since, if memory serves me well, he was very much opposed to townie groups/networks.

I'd like to hear more about this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And we shouldn't do big lists because it guides the mafia on who to kill too much.

He's a funny guy.

I was under the impression we had already done everything we could possibly do this game to guide the mafia on who to kill too much. :beam: Just sayin'.

[naut]

I want a full explanation of that ability.
Fair enough, but not here. :bow:

AVSM is being voted why? Yes, he's lurking and it's something he tends to do largely as Mafia, but also when he's town. The case against 'khaan is much stronger, he's acted forceful and pushy in thread and in other dialogues. He may be a casualty of his own skill however. We really need to find a good candidate and stick to it. As Andres pointed out, carelessness may be the only offence committed by Niklas. But, if that is the case why hasn't he stopped by to dispell anything? My vote stays where it is until that time

[Renata]

My PM box is open.

I like the case against Yaropolk, personally, among the lurkers (Lord Winter? Really?). But 'Khaan is also good, and AVSM acceptable if only because there's no way any real clues to his alignment are going to come directly from him.

[Secura]

unvote: Niklas

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

[Andres]

unvote: Niklas

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

So far, they have been deemed to behave scummy.

It's the inevitable and tragic fate of the detective and most pro-town roles in mafia games, really. You do your best to find scum and to save the town and as a reward, they lynch you.

[TinCow]

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

On the contrary, I feel like we're making decent progress. Scrutinizing people closely, one by one, to find inconsistencies and errors is solid, methodical scum-detection work. So far we've done extremely well, as demonstrated by the fact that this system has accurately zeroed in on multiple people with power roles. While revealing them in the process is not ideal, it's far from fatal for the town. In addition, we haven't made the usual fatal mistake of lynching the pro-town roles, we have recognized them for who they are relatively quickly and moved the attention elsewhere in search of new suspects. If we continue to accurately spot the roles at the rate we have been, the mafia will get nailed sooner rather than later. We have numbers on our side, they do not.

[Thermal]

Hmm, all that must absolve you of being scum here. You can't be mafia, because your shirt is too red and it smells like herring.



Your question was acting about my activity, not my scum level, which is why I replied by telling you why my activity isn't all that high, at no point did I say it absolved me from being scum, not all of us are post hypermaniacs.



Well at least I've prompted a few scummy people to give their scum defenses filled with scum.

Most of the candidates that reach your scum list tend to be innocent anyway. :juggle2:

[atheotes]

Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:
And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:

So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:

How convenient...is that a soft-claim as well?
unvote Niklas; vote: White_eyes (I am not sure why Niklas has shown up in the thread...i might still switch it back to him)


I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

You are not the only one. I too think he is not being as ruthless as he usually is. I have been getting this feeling for the last couple of phases.

[Niklas]

I think khaan is the best candidate of those I've seen so far, although I might shift over to niklas. vote: khaan

How... committed. FoS: autolycus


In other news. I was going to come here and vote, Niklas, before all these shenanigans erupted. I am fairly certain he was your leak Beskar, fairly, but not 100%.
If there was a leak, it was Beskar himself. Most of my displeasure with him came from how careless he has been with information all along.


Scummy vibe:

White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by, and you're darn good at it too. 7 posts? You can do better.
Yaseikhaan- A master of lurking, especially as scum. Because it's your usual thing, you have a pass to do it over and over. You could stand a little more scrutiny.
autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.
Jolt- Feels like you're just slipping by.
Greyblades- Not a big splash so far.
Thermal Mercury- Gone are the days when you rivaled me in post count. When did YOU become so quiet? :inquisitive:

Lurking too much:

A Very Super Market- He always does this, but this is even worse than usual. He seems to be avoiding the WOG intentionally.
Lord Winter- WOGbait in other games. He has exactly one post so he should be rightly booted out soon, and if he's not, he should be lynched.
Yaropolk- 7 posts?
Centurion1- 4 posts?

Good idea, and a nice list you have, but I feel your soft heart has made you skip one name I would have wanted to see on that list. Someone whose every post so far has struck me as uncommitted at best. So don't mind if I help myself to spreading your graces a bit further. :bow:

vote: Diana Abnoba


It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.
Delusions of grandeur? Last night Beskar told me that "unfortunately, Sith had a super upgrade, so even my deflect had little effort, as you saw in the write up. If they never got that powerboost, I would have survived.". How does he know such things? Methinks he simply thinks a bit too much of himself, after what I gathered from Methos' account of being attacked.


Hmmm, wasn't there a group sharing all info from the beginning of the game, consisting of Beskar, Niklas, Renata and Secura?

I asked this question in one of the first rounds before: who was the most careless with information? That's probably your leak.
No no, don't drag me and Renata into that circle, please! As Renata has said we've been talking quite a bit, but that's very far from sharing all info.


As Andres pointed out, carelessness may be the only offence committed by Niklas. But, if that is the case why hasn't he stopped by to dispell anything? My vote stays where it is until that time
Heh, did you somehow miss my big "wall of text"? What is this carelessness I'm now being accused of? Carelessness with information, being a leak? No, I am not the leak you are looking for. If there exists a leak then that leak is/was Beskar. Ask him why he shared his intended investigation of me with TinCow, for instance, and you'll see carelessness.

But regarding there being a leak or not, it was one possible theory to explain the deaths of Csargo and Methos. I know I am not that leak though, I strongly doubt Renata is, and if Beskar was then it's a red herring.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix is being far less professional than usual.

vote: Subotan

Well what can I say, Thermal. You clearly have time to read the thread, because you are reading it at regular intervals, and are prompt to respond when I point the finger in your general direction. But, when you're not being pressured, you make quiet posts that go unnoticed by most people. It feels like you're contributing to the discussion just enough to make sure that no one can accuse you of otherwise. But the solid-looking wall is made out of paper. There's something going on beneath the surface here.

"Most who end up on my scum list end up being innocent", ah yes the rallying cry of half the scums I've ever accused. Kind of like when I accused Beefy in that game I was right about him as being scum, he told me I was always wrong about him. Why do they usually respond the same way, by attacking the credibility of the accuser? This is mafia, I have no credible accusations to make, just wild ones based on nothing. It's sorta the nature of the game. Some people I accuse will turn out innocent. But, if I don't even attempt to accuse, I never would have bagged any scums, and I have bagged more than a few.

Your reactions seem off to me, and you clearly have enough time for this game. You're keeping your head down on purpose in my estimation.

[Kagemusha]

I dont think Niklas sounds very scummy. On the other hand Tincow maybe you would like to elaborate what else Beskar has told you? Maybe it is you who killed him?

[naut]

Hmm. Satisfactory response from Niklas. Vote change pending the below quote.

But we need a vote count before we start shifting votes, else we'll end up lynching chaotix by accident.
Brb.


On the contrary, I feel like we're making decent progress. Scrutinizing people closely, one by one, to find inconsistencies and errors is solid, methodical scum-detection work. So far we've done extremely well, as demonstrated by the fact that this system has accurately zeroed in on multiple people with power roles. While revealing them in the process is not ideal, it's far from fatal for the town. In addition, we haven't made the usual fatal mistake of lynching the pro-town roles, we have recognized them for who they are relatively quickly and moved the attention elsewhere in search of new suspects. If we continue to accurately spot the roles at the rate we have been, the mafia will get nailed sooner rather than later. We have numbers on our side, they do not.
:bow:

A risk well worth taking.

[TinCow]

On the other hand Tincow maybe you would like to elaborate what else Beskar has told you?

I have reviewed all my PMs with him and this is the only other information I found that was useful and did not deal with speculation about Niklas:


I lied about the unlynchable thing to cause mischief, then Sigurd did me justice by actually making Dooku act as i had it intended. However, I lied about being completely unlynchable, to hopefully to get people to leave me alone, also i wanted the Mafia to attack me, as I had night protection, thus, one less townie to kill. I also suspected any investigators would investigate me and thus show I am good anyway.


I believe Secura is currently innocent. Nothing suggested conversion or anything yet.


Maybe it is you who killed him?

I did not, but I have no proof of that other than my own words.

[Joooray]

Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by ...

Guilty as charged and it would be only fair to lynch me for it. All I can say is that uni is really kicking my butt at the moment and this game is not necessarily a game, where you can pop in every now and then, contribute a bit to the discussion and then make a good choice for the vote. I've been honestly overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts while I was gone. And not knowing what was going on behind the scenes didn't really spark my interest in following the accusations being thrown around the way they were. All in all the game has been really hard to follow with the time I had for it.

Anyway, I support your notion for a different approach, even if it'll get me lynched. I'll do my best to support it by contributing more.

[Thermal]

Well what can I say, Thermal. You clearly have time to read the thread, because you are reading it at regular intervals, and are prompt to respond when I point the finger in your general direction. But, when you're not being pressured, you make quiet posts that go unnoticed by most people. It feels like you're contributing to the discussion just enough to make sure that no one can accuse you of otherwise. But the solid-looking wall is made out of paper. There's something going on beneath the surface here.

"Most who end up on my scum list end up being innocent", ah yes the rallying cry of half the scums I've ever accused. Kind of like when I accused Beefy in that game I was right about him as being scum, he told me I was always wrong about him. Why do they usually respond the same way, by attacking the credibility of the accuser? This is mafia, I have no credible accusations to make, just wild ones based on nothing. It's sorta the nature of the game. Some people I accuse will turn out innocent. But, if I don't even attempt to accuse, I never would have bagged any scums, and I have bagged more than a few.

Your reactions seem off to me, and you clearly have enough time for this game. You're keeping your head down on purpose in my estimation.

What do you want me to say? I post if I think theres a reason to, all my long posts would do is repeat what has already been said.

If your wondering why I voted for subotan I did so because he is on the fantastic 4 suspicion list and is behavioring simliarly to as he did in mafia XI, I think.

[Joooray]

And now I forgot to vote, not sure if it'll count in an edited post so I'll post again:

Vote: 'khaan, as far as I understood it, the case against him is based on scummy and aggressive behaviour in the thread, I like that reasoning far better then the allegation about some Ren-Sec-Nik-Meth-Nexus.

[Winston Hughes]

autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.

It's worth noting that autolycus has been a villain in almost every game he's played at CFC, and has shown little problem with being active or outspoken when guilty. This is not to say he's innocent, just that his activity level is a poor indicator.

[naut]

Unvote: Niklas Vote: AVSM

Current Tally:

'khaan - 4 (TinCow, GH, autolycus, Joooray)
AVSM - 4 (Kage, Diamondeye, Subotan, Psycho)

Niklas - 2 (Chaotix, Sasaki)

Psycho - 1 (Renata)
Renata - 1 (ATPG)
White_eyes:D - 1 (atheotes)
Chaotix - 1 (pevergrren)
Subotan - 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Lord Winter - 1 (Yaropolk)
Diana Abnoba - 1 (Niklas)

[Greyblades]

Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:khaan

[atheotes]

Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?

Chaotix turns out to be Yoda and his bad move has cost Beskar's life. Psychonaut has claimed Obee-wan Kenobi - he still has to answer some questions.
But the general consensus has been to take a deeper look at some of the people who have been skating through - including you. :smash:

[Greyblades]

What can I say? Most of the time this game moves too fast for me to keep up.

[Secura]

Chaotix turns out to be Yoda and his bad move has cost Beskar's life.

Haha, when I read this again, I was reminded of Attack of the Clones where Anakin is being chained to a pillar and he says to his Master "we were doing this to rescue you!", and Obi-Wan looks up to his own chains, turns back to his Padawan and says dryly "good job!"

[Kagemusha]

unvote, vote:khaan

Why so eager to break the tie?

[Subotan]

If your wondering why I voted for subotan I did so because he is on the fantastic 4 suspicion list and is behavioring simliarly to as he did in mafia XI, I think.
Fantastic Four list? Oh, you must mean the posts when I criticised the runaway bandwagon on Belisaurus for being a...runaway bandwagon. A bandwagon that you were swept away in, I might add.

Also, I would like to see this alleged behaviour that you accuse me of, since I can't recall more than a couple of inane comments, as opposed to a record of mindless gibberish that I spouted in Mafia IX.

Although I do like ATPG's phrase, "Subotan Syndrome" :beam:



Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?


Beskar and Winston are dead, Chaotix has revealed himself as Yoda, Psycho has revealed himself as Obi-Wan. That's about it. The rest is just fluff by us trying to get Chaotix and Psycho to reveal.

[Greyblades]

...I'm gone for half a day and you lot expose the two characters who are most likely to be powerful town roles... Dear god, which blooming genius thought that one up?

[Thermal]

Fantastic Four list? Oh, you must mean the posts when I criticised the runaway bandwagon on Belisaurus for being a...runaway bandwagon.

No I was just referring to the names Subotan, Niklas, Renata and Secura being tossed around together as 'bad words'.

[Secura]

No I was just referring to the names Subotan, Niklas, Renata and Secura being tossed around together as 'bad words'.

Funny that the three of us were all hesistant to vote for Belisarius based solely upon Beskar's word about some questionable PM responses or lack thereof.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry if my participation's been low recently, but you realize that I've been attacked for it in both this game and Inishmore. It's also a week before finals in college. It's also rather hard to synthesize information when every time you come back to the thread there are four new pages to read.

As far as my behavior goes, yes, I was focused on Beskar, but during the last round (the Belsarius lynch) I realized that I may have been off the mark and took my vote off him. My reasoning for going after khaan was that not only did he fail to follow my lead, but he was also unnaturally pushy over Steam to try to get me back on the Beskar wagon. khaan and I talk over Steam a lot (almost daily) and that was the most argumentative I'd ever seen him be when discussing a Mafia game.

[TinCow]

No I was just referring to the names Subotan, Niklas, Renata and Secura being tossed around together as 'bad words'.

So, you're voting for him because of my analysis and FOS (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474451&viewfull=1#post2474451), but you don't care about my subsequent analysis which retracted the accusations against all (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474701&viewfull=1#post2474701) of them (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2475457&viewfull=1#post2475457)?

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Khaan

[Niklas]

unvote: Diana; vote: AVSM

Let's not favor one candidate strongly over the other until they've had a chance to respond. We want pressure, not more runaway wagons!

[Subotan]

Less lurking, more lynching :whip:

[Greyblades]

Vote: AVSM

[Renata]

unvote, vote : Yaseikhaan Vague out of thread reasons plus lurking trumps just lurking.

[atheotes]

White_eyes made a soft claim that we were forcing him to reveal. He needs to be looked at...but i dont have any support. Might as well vote where it counts.
Wonder why Khaan and AVSM havent shown up to defend themselves...

unvote: White_eyes; vote : Yaseikhaan

[Husar]

I'd lynch Greyblades, he's gone most of the time anyway and then fakes being concerned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Khaan

As it seems my vote isn't where I thought it might be in the tally above.

[Sigurd]

voting closed...

[Sigurd]

Round 6

Night



The expedition leader entered the auditorium and the members of the expedition were arguing still. The votes had shifted many times and the poor fellow keeping track of the tally was sitting crying. The expedition leader soothed the fellow and told him to give what he got. He looked over the tally and nodded.
He looked over the assembled crew who had finally gone quiet and announced; “Will Palpatine please come forward.”
There was an audible intake of collective air in the assembled expedition crew as the name was announced. Why, you might wonder…maybe because this was the most innocent looking young Initiate that was with them on this expedition.

The expedition leader felt bad for this young fellow, but democracy had decided.
He had to die to possibly rid the ship of Sith.
The procedure went as the others and the body of Palpatine was recovered and put in a casket and stored in the morgue.

The expedition leader turned to the crew and announced: “I seemed to have forgot to promote another Padawan earlier. One died last night and I am glad to announce that Atris have been found worthy of the honour. Congratulations!!!

Tally:

Yaseikhaan: 9 (ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, GH, johnhugh, Joooray, Renata, Sasaki, TinCow)
A Very Super Market: 6 (Diamondeye, Greyblades, Kage, Niklas, Psycho, Subotan)
Niklas: 1 (Chaotix)
Chaotix: 1 (pever)
Subotan: 1 (Thermal)
Lord Winter: 1 (Yaropolk)

Not voting: 8 (AVSM, centurion1, Diana, Jolt, Lord Winter, Secura, WE:D, Yaseikhaan)

Night orders must be in by 22:00 GMT+1 (23 hours from now)
Round ends at 23:00 GMT+1 (24 hours from now)

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes

Alive:

A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wabam. :beam:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nice, very nice.

[Secura]

Good job, ladies and gents.

[Diamondeye]

What gives you that vibe on TinCow? Just that one post you referred to, or is there anything else?

You don't remember GH voting Beskar each round?

On TinCow; As I said, I don't really know what's triggering me...

As for GH, sure, he voted for Beskar every round but so what? Beskar was in all of the spotlight and it was easy to just make up an opinion about him and stick with it for whatever reasons were cheapest.


Also DE you're at least the third vote on AVSM, which isn't exactly sharing the joy (what Pizza actually advocated).

Yeah well I was trying to find someone who wasn't Yoda and who I could vote for. AVSM seemed a good target.


vote: Diana Abnoba

Good catch. Diana, Speak up


I'd lynch Greyblades, he's gone most of the time anyway and then fakes being concerned.

Also a good idea in my opinion, unless GB gets his game on soon.


Wabam. :beam:

:laugh4: I concur. Wabam indeed :beam: Nice job, everyone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

BTW, Beskar, consider that my apology.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

And now we must be sure that he(Yaseikhaan) actually was Sith. As you people agreed earlier.. name doesn't mean much.

I wonder whether the Siths can recruit and kill in the same time?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote: Diana; vote: AVSM

Let's not favor one candidate strongly over the other until they've had a chance to respond. We want pressure, not more runaway wagons!

Do we.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wabam. :beam:

Out of curiosity, if Sigurd could have possibly placed Palpatine in this game at a place in history before his fall to the dark side, like he did with Dooku, I looked up Palpatine and read about his early life.

Quote Wookieepedia, the source for most of this information used when creating the game (in my opinion):

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine


First encounter

As difficult as it is to learn concrete facts about Palpatine's youth, information on how he became a Sith Lord is even more scarce. Even the reasons for Palpatine becoming aware of the dark side of the Force are a total mystery. Suffice it to say that somehow, his Force-sensitivity escaped the notice of the Jedi Order; instead, his gifts came to the attention of Darth Plagueis, a Muun Dark Lord of the Sith.

Initiation

Having judged the young Palpatine worthy of joining the Sith, Darth Plagueis formally initiated him into the cult. From the time of Darth Bane onward, it was common for Sith names to begin with the forename Darth, a moniker that was as much a title as a name.[10] Many factors went into deciding on the second name. At least one, based on observed ceremonies, is that Sith masters would enter a kind of communion with the dark side of the Force, question it, and within it find inspiration, an answer.[11] Exactly what inspiration Plagueis found in this communion has not been revealed, but Plagueis decided that, from that moment forward, Palpatine would be known as Darth Sidious.


Unlike many other Sith Lords, Palpatine was never a Jedi, was never a Padawan or even an Initiate. He was never found by the Jedi Order, and thus was never, ever on the path to the Jedi.

No matter how early in Palpatine's life, I don't believe Sigurd would have placed him on the light side of the force, because he was never on that path, and it would be quite contrary to accepted Star Wars lore to place Palpatine in the Jedi initiate category. I'm not sure Sigurd would bend the lore to such a degree even for a game... that would be like turning Yoda to the Dark Side. It's a Star Wars game, so I have high hopes "innocent looking initiate" Palpatine was at the very least an apprentice Sith.

I think we have reason to be optimistic we got one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do we.

Oh Niklas, that little post is going to get you into a world of trouble next round.

[Greyblades]

Also a good idea in my opinion, unless GB gets his game on soon.
Hey, I can't help it if the thread jumps mulitple pages when I'm asleep/at college.

[Andres]

Hey, I can't help it if the thread jumps mulitple pages when I'm asleep/at college.

Somebody needs to get his priorities straight :stare:

[Niklas]

Oh Niklas, that little post is going to get you into a world of trouble next round.
Heh, if you're suggesting that my post indicates I'm mafia trying to save khaan, you must have me confused with someone stupid.

I am not yet fully convinced Palpatine was Sith, hopefully the night will tell and there will be one less kill. I agree that it is very hard to picture him as a Jedi though. But if it turns out that he was Sith, I might be so inclined as to look for his friend among those now joining in to "celebrate" his demise, and joining the wagon on AVSM when khaan still only had a few votes on him. Yes Diamondeye, I'm looking at you.

[Secura]

I know I will sound stupid for suggesting this... but I think someone capable of doing so should see if it is possible to attack Yaseikhaan's body overnight.

You see... in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, it is revealed how Palpatine was able to live for so long; he has hundreds of clones of himself, cultivated over the years, that simply require his Force essence to find it's way from his deceased body to one of these hibernating ones, whereby he is resurrected back to his full power. He wasn't entirely lying to Anakin Skywalker when he stated that he knew the methods for cheating death.

I could be thinking far, far too much into it, but considering Palpatine was probably the Sith Lord... it would seem too easy for a single lynch to put him down when Count Dooku easily survived being ejected into space. Just a thought. :3

[TinCow]

Yoda is the Expedition Leader, which indicates the top pro-town role was assigned based on canon roles, not randomly. I suspect the same is true with the Sith, and I will be very, very surprised if Palpatine was not the top Sith. Beyond those two, the rest of the roles may indeed have been random... but I think it's pretty safe to notch this one up as a score for the Jedi.