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Hundreds? The Wiki page says he only had 4.
It was a valid point to make, though, if somewhat embellished.
Palpatine actually had considerably more than four clones initially, from what I've been told by someone who read the relevant fiction, it's simply that most of them were unfit for use over time.
No matter how many there were, though, it is something to consider; I simply feel that this victory was too easy, and there may be a twist in the plot yet.
Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2010, 00:01
Yoda is the Expedition Leader, which indicates the top pro-town role was assigned based on canon roles, not randomly. I suspect the same is true with the Sith, and I will be very, very surprised if Palpatine was not the top Sith. Beyond those two, the rest of the roles may indeed have been random... but I think it's pretty safe to notch this one up as a score for the Jedi.
Possible he wasn't the top Sith.
If Darth Plagueis is part of the game, then he would be Palpatine's Lord. Or perhaps there are even earlier Sith Lords who would also have seniority.
Yes, there's a possibility of someone such as Exar Kun being in the game, considering we've seen at least Atris from the KOTOR series.
Greyblades
04-22-2010, 00:05
When is this game taking place anyway?
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
Excellent answer.
To be more specific, it's set in the future of the future-past where the past has become the future future.
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
:laugh4:
atheotes
04-22-2010, 00:10
It looks like it was a good lynch, given the fact that Khaan did not protest. But Palpatine could just be a name. As people have suggested, his lynch was too easy and even in the write-up he accepted his fate quietly. I wouldnt be surprised if Sigurd used these name to stop mass reveals.
We may or may not know more tonight. I for one do not believe the sith rule of 2 is being used in this game....may be they are restricted to 2 kills a night.
Given the number of pro-town abilities i am not sure what to expect from the Sith.
Yoda is the Expedition Leader, which indicates the top pro-town role was assigned based on canon roles, not randomly. I suspect the same is true with the Sith, and I will be very, very surprised if Palpatine was not the top Sith. Beyond those two, the rest of the roles may indeed have been random... but I think it's pretty safe to notch this one up as a score for the Jedi.
While I certainly agree that what you say makes sense in principle, I really read the update as saying that Palpatine was just an Initiate. I will gladly admit that I'm used to the CFC way, where lynches always reveal, so I may just be expecting too much here. But it sure feels rather anti-climactic if we managed to nail the big baddie, and all we got was the shortest update so far. (No offense to Sigurd of course, still an awesome update, as always!)
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 00:32
It usually isn't revealed in a big way.
While I certainly agree that what you say makes sense in principle, I really read the update as saying that Palpatine was just an Initiate. I will gladly admit that I'm used to the CFC way, where lynches always reveal, so I may just be expecting too much here. But it sure feels rather anti-climactic if we managed to nail the big baddie, and all we got was the shortest update so far. (No offense to Sigurd of course, still an awesome update, as always!)
Expect a big write-up for the last phase, regardless of who wins and when. Until then, Org hosts like to keep people guessing as to whether they voted correctly. We don't even have autopsy roles very often in games.
So, you're voting for him because of my analysis and FOS (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474451&viewfull=1#post2474451), but you don't care about my subsequent analysis which retracted the accusations against all (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2474701&viewfull=1#post2474701) of them (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2475457&viewfull=1#post2475457)?
The first analysis will do for me.
seireikhaan
04-22-2010, 01:07
Beskar, in retrospect I totally would've removed your vigilante ability before I even considered the self-protect. However, I now have the self-protect and I will need it if I survive this round.
I had no idea you were going to be attacked; when you actually told me you were certain of it, I tried to change my order but it was too late.
Also, I am a Grand Master. There is a chance that I will get a revive ability, if there is one. Sigurd in his last pm mentioned more protection-type abilities. Who do you think will be revived if I get that ability?
Dark side o' the force if I ever saw it. Vote: Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 01:09
Dark side o' the force if I ever saw it. Vote: Chaotix
Keep reading...
Yaropolk
04-22-2010, 01:53
Lol @ sasaki
Oh Niklas, that little post is going to get you into a world of trouble next round.
:laugh4: It totally is. Poor Niklas. And I'm so very nearly convinced it'll be undeserved. But them's the breaks. Better work on your debating skills, Niklas; seems you'll need them.
I'm truly looking forward to tomorrow's morning update. If it's substantially different, it should be enlightening. If not (which seems unlikely), then that's something too.
Heh, if you're suggesting that my post indicates I'm mafia trying to save khaan, you must have me confused with someone stupid.
I am not yet fully convinced Palpatine was Sith, hopefully the night will tell and there will be one less kill. I agree that it is very hard to picture him as a Jedi though. But if it turns out that he was Sith, I might be so inclined as to look for his friend among those now joining in to "celebrate" his demise, and joining the wagon on AVSM when khaan still only had a few votes on him. Yes Diamondeye, I'm looking at you.
There's a start, and a good one.
Oh boy just read Khaan's post. Hee.
@ Secura -- who knows? But possibilities like that are why I'm so much looking forward to the morning update. Pretty much whatever happens will be really interesting.
atheotes
04-22-2010, 02:44
Keep reading...
:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2010, 03:06
Dark side o' the force if I ever saw it. Vote: Chaotix
Ladies and gentlemen, he's clearly posting this to either pretend that he's got no idea what's going on, or to joke. It's clever but it's also a de facto admission of guilt, if I know Khaan.
White_eyes:D
04-22-2010, 03:54
White_eyes made a soft claim that we were forcing him to reveal.
No, I have proof in this case...:stare:
Okay true, but nobody said that openly, for it felt like people didn't believe W_E even after he role-claimed.
Which reminds me, now that we know what Beskar claims to be, Vote: White_Eyes:D! So what are you then? :grin2:
That is just bullying...I will not answer for it:bow:
No, I have proof in this case...:stare:
That is just bullying...I will not answer for it:bow:
More soft claiming.
White_eyes:D
04-22-2010, 05:44
More soft claiming.
And what is "soft claiming" when we all have roles?:inquisitive:
I didn't say my role was powerful or anything, I just said I didn't want another "Rift War's White_eyes:D incident":shame:
Soft claiming is like soft ice, sweet and uhm, soft and yeah!!!
White_eyes:D
04-22-2010, 11:19
Soft claiming is like soft ice, sweet and uhm, soft and yeah!!!Then it was kick-:daisy: what I did....so, no complaints there then:grin2:
The first analysis will do for me.
All the claims that you make about my "suspiciousness" interestingly all apply to you. You accuse me of acting the same as I did in Mafia IX. Since I happen to know exactly how I acted in Mafia IX, let's take a look at my strategy.
I tried to coast by, keeping just above the "Soon-to-be-WOG'd" line.
Excusing my lack of posts with IRL events/metagaming.
Dismissing claims against me with inane comments, or disdain.
Not joining in the bandwagon on Chaotix, instead preferring some random other player, so it wouldn't look like I was trying too hard to stop a lynch on Chaotix.
One word posts to make it look like I was involved in the game and thinking really really hard about how to help the townies win.
Not providing any justification for my votes, referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for my line of thinking, thus ensuring that my comments, and therefore that I, would not come under any scrutiny.
Now, let's take a look at your posting record, for giggles.
Very small number of posts, given your reputation for being an active player.
Excusing that small number of posts with external events/metagaming
Dismissing concerns raised about you with disdain (See: The first analysis will do for me.)
Not joining in the bandwagon against 'Khaan, or the next most likely lynch (AVSM).
One word posts which make it look like you are involved in the game and thinking really really really hard about how to help us win (E.g. "Terrible")
Not providing any justification for your votes (See your vote for me whilst criticising Chaotix), referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for your line of thinking, thus ensuring that your comments, and therefore that you would not come under any scrutiny.
I don't know what the rest of the town thinks, but it looks to me like you are accusing me of behaving in a manner similar to my behaviours in Mafia IX in the hopes of defusing any criticism that might develop about your own posting style later in the game. I have resisted the temptation thus far to lodge a vote against your scummy behaviour for fear of your shrill cries of "OMGUS", but I now know exactly where my next vote is going tomorrow.
That is just bullying...I will not answer for it:bow:
:grin2: I was wondering if you skipped that. I was just trying to tickle your sensitive spot. So, what are you then? :wink:
Subotan raises valid points about Thermal Mercury :yes:
Interesting why Yaseikhaan was so obsessed with lynching me. He was Palatine.
Told you the Sith were hiding in the votes against me.
All the claims that you make about my "suspiciousness" interestingly all apply to you.
I'm well aware that I'm not playing well at all in this game, but from what I'm aware, my mafia playstyle isn't identical to yours, so the same doesn't transfer.
You accuse me of acting the same as I did in Mafia IX. Since I happen to know exactly how I acted in Mafia IX, let's take a look at my strategy.
I tried to coast by, keeping just above the "Soon-to-be-WOG'd" line.
Well I haven't seen you post an awful lot in this game so the same is applicable in my eyes. :shrug:
Excusing my lack of posts with IRL events/metagaming.
You mainly did this toward the end of the game as a defense, since you weren't under heat at the start (and you aren't now either) this does apply currently.
Not joining in the bandwagon on Chaotix, instead preferring some random other player, so it wouldn't look like I was trying too hard to stop a lynch on Chaotix.
Well the we don't know who the mafia are, so it is hard to tell if your purposely avoiding them. :laugh4:
One word posts to make it look like I was involved in the game and thinking really really hard about how to help the townies win.
You didn't have many one word posts at all, from my recollection, your just saying this in order to make the case against me below look worse than it is.
Not providing any justification for my votes, referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for my line of thinking, thus ensuring that my comments, and therefore that I, would not come under any scrutiny.
I didn't refer to any analysis for my vote on you initially, I was somewhat expecting scrutiny.
Now, let's take a look at your posting record, for giggles.
Very small number of posts, given your reputation for being an active player.
Look across the board, all games post counts, you'll see I'm no where near the top on all of them, the only exception being your Haiku mafia.
Excusing that small number of posts with external events/metagaming
Hey, I am busy, I'm not paying very much attention to this, I wasn't aware that the reasoning against you had become outdated and that you all moved onto a new play thing.
Dismissing concerns raised about you with disdain (See: The first analysis will do for me.)
Somewhat sloppy of me.
Not joining in the bandwagon against 'Khaan, or the next most likely lynch (AVSM).
Why should I join bandwagons, aren't you the player reknown for 'avoiding bandwagons like the plague'? Khaan is a decent lynch, but he already had more than enough votes.
One word posts which make it look like you are involved in the game and thinking really really really hard about how to help us win (E.g. "Terrible")
And this is where your lying about your own mafia behavior makes my behavior look shabby. I don't really have much to say most of the time, at least words like this show my view on a matter. :laugh4:
Not providing any justification for your votes (See your vote for me whilst criticising Chaotix), referring to either analysis that other people have made, or instead mysteriously providing no evidence for your line of thinking, thus ensuring that your comments, and therefore that you would not come under any scrutiny.
Again, Chaotix was already under scrutiny, why pile on top of the wagon when I don't think he is mafia, if this tactic ensures I come under no scrutiny then how come both pizzaguy and you have mentioned it?...
[/LIST]I don't know what the rest of the town thinks, but it looks to me like you are accusing me of behaving in a manner similar to yours in the hopes of defusing any criticism that might develop about your posting style later in the game. I have resisted the temptation thus far to lodge a vote against your scummy behaviour for fear of your shrill cries of "OMGUS", but I now know exactly where my next vote is going tomorrow.
OK :bow:
P.S: When nominated as mafia, I always act like Subotan!
White_eyes:D
04-22-2010, 13:32
:grin2: I was wondering if you skipped that. I was just trying to tickle your sensitive spot. So, what are you then? :wink:I have been thinking about this for awhile....if Chaotix REALLY wants my role name and rank....I well give it to him....but I not giving it to you:wink:
Look across the board, all games post counts, you'll see I'm no where near the top on all of them, the only exception being your Haiku mafia.
You must be town then :rolleyes:
Why should I join bandwagons, aren't you the player reknown for 'avoiding bandwagons like the plague'? Khaan is a decent lynch, but he already had more than enough votes.
Avoiding bandwagons in themselves is not scummy, of course not. I was just pointing out that your behaviour in this game is similar to my behaviour in Mafia IX, which is odd, given that you think that I'm the one using that particular strategy.
I don't really have much to say most of the time, at least words like this show my view on a matter. :laugh4:
It's basically lurking, just more detectable.
Again, Chaotix was already under scrutiny, why pile on top of the wagon when I don't think he is mafia, if this tactic ensures I come under no scrutiny then how come both pizzaguy and you have mentioned it?...
Strawman. By "ensure", I meant from your perpective, and your strategy.
P.S: When nominated as mafia, I always act like Subotan!
Only when you accuse others of doing so.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 15:28
I think it's worth looking back at that Beskar wagon that sprang up because it's likely that there were some mafia on it...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play/page30
Haven't looked over it that carefully, but pevergreens vote with no text stands out.
seireikhaan
04-22-2010, 16:00
Keep reading...
:stare:
I did. Hence, my vote shall stay for the remainder of this night phase.
Diamondeye
04-22-2010, 16:00
Heh, if you're suggesting that my post indicates I'm mafia trying to save khaan, you must have me confused with someone stupid.
I am not yet fully convinced Palpatine was Sith, hopefully the night will tell and there will be one less kill. I agree that it is very hard to picture him as a Jedi though. But if it turns out that he was Sith, I might be so inclined as to look for his friend among those now joining in to "celebrate" his demise, and joining the wagon on AVSM when khaan still only had a few votes on him. Yes Diamondeye, I'm looking at you.
Stare yourself blind, I have nothing to hide :beam:
I'm flattered by the consideration that I could even stay alive this long as mafia, because frankly I always seem to screw up rather bad, rather early, when I'm a baddie.
Subotan raises valid points about Thermal Mercury :yes:
I concur; FoS: Thermal
Interesting why Yaseikhaan was so obsessed with lynching me. He was Palatine.
Told you the Sith were hiding in the votes against me.
*cough* GeneralHankerchief *cough*
GeneralHankerchief
04-22-2010, 16:02
*cough* GeneralHankerchief *cough*
Read the last two rounds closer and see if you still have the same opinion.
pevergreen
04-22-2010, 16:33
I think it's worth looking back at that Beskar wagon that sprang up because it's likely that there were some mafia on it...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play/page30
Haven't looked over it that carefully, but pevergreens vote with no text stands out.
lol
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 16:36
lol
Die, scum.
pevergreen
04-22-2010, 16:38
Die, scum.
I justified all my votes on Beskar in the first round or two.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 16:40
I justified all my votes on Beskar in the first round or two.
No you didn't.
Subotan's post is the one that stands out most for me, even if was Psychonaut who first pointed it out:
Beskar has either gone rogue, or his network is severely compromised due to carelessness. Either way, we're going to get a Sith's head by the end of today.
Vote:Beskar
False dilemma, unjustified assumption, just a weird post.
pevergreen
04-22-2010, 16:55
No you didn't.
pretty sure i did with the whole
"If you keep this network thing, i'm gonna keep going after you" or whatever i said.
I think Subotan is a Sith, he kept going on about how I should be lynched and following Khaan's argument.
"If you keep this network thing, i'm gonna keep going after you" or whatever i said.
That's poor justification.
Subotan's post is the one that stands out most for me, even if was Psychonaut who first pointed it out:
False dilemma, unjustified assumption, just a weird post.
Given the amount of knowledge about the situation that I knew at the time, those seemed to be the only possibilities. I knew that Beskar had used me as a fall guy in an attempt to extract the identity of Mace Windu, and next day phase, ding, Mace Windu was dead. Occam and his razor came to the rescue, and those were the two outcomes I thought most likely.
I think Subotan is a Sith, he kept going on about how I should be lynched and following Khaan's argument.
I came to my conclusions about you independently. I thought you were at best, careless, and at worst, a threat. By the time that it had become obvious that you were not the latter, there was a grossly unfair bandwagon picking up steam on Belisaurus, hence the reason why I kept my vote on you.
Besides Subotan and Diamondeye, I'm still having some issues with Psychonaut. First, he did give me a partial description of his ability; however, what he says he learns remains very vague, and what he says he can reveal about it even vaguer. I asked follow-up questions and got that he was too tired to respond at that time but would in the morning. Morning Sydney time has long since come and gone, and no PM.
Second, Psychonaut posted this yesterday during the flailing about after ATPG suggested a change of strategy. The vote count at this point was 5 for Niklas (who Psychonaut was voting for), 3 for AVSM, 3 for Khaan.
AVSM is being voted why? Yes, he's lurking and it's something he tends to do largely as Mafia, but also when he's town. The case against 'khaan is much stronger, he's acted forceful and pushy in thread and in other dialogues. He may be a casualty of his own skill however. We really need to find a good candidate and stick to it. As Andres pointed out, carelessness may be the only offence committed by Niklas. But, if that is the case why hasn't he stopped by to dispell anything? My vote stays where it is until that time
So he actually suggests that 'Khaan is a good lynch, albeit with a qualifier attached, and without moving his vote off Niklas. He's also, which I had forgotten, one of those who suggested that Khaan's out of thread behavior was unusual for him. (Do Psycho and Khaan usually talk, btw?) All this sounds good for Psychonaut's innocence. But then, after several vote changes, a defense post from Niklas, and a post from Psycho referencing a wish for a vote count, Psycho posts this:
Unvote: Niklas Vote: AVSM
Current Tally:
'khaan - 4 (TinCow, GH, autolycus, Joooray)
AVSM - 4 (Kage, Diamondeye, Subotan, Psycho)
Niklas - 2 (Chaotix, Sasaki)
Psycho - 1 (Renata)
Renata - 1 (ATPG)
White_eyes:D - 1 (atheotes)
Chaotix - 1 (pevergrren)
Subotan - 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Lord Winter - 1 (Yaropolk)
Diana Abnoba - 1 (Niklas) .
So when the vote count was 5 for Niklas to 3 each for Khaan and AVSM, Khaan was a decent lynch and AVSM a questionable one, but at a vote count of 4 for Khaan to 3 for AVSM and 3 for Niklas, Psycho changes to AVSM. No reason given for the inconsistency.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-22-2010, 21:33
Psycho does love the fakeclaims as mafia. Maybe he could explain the purpose of his ability a bit better.
seireikhaan
04-22-2010, 21:37
I'd wonder about those saying I was doing stuff out of thread. I talked to GH, and nobody else.
Also, the end explanation will be a treat.
I really hope Psycho is mafia, because he's looking more like one the more I read. Focusing on AVSM and Khaan references, that first quoted post looks great for Psycho. But not so much re-reading the last lines: he was actually advocating neither of them, but rather that people stick with the 'good candidate' Niklas.
I'm looking forward to the morning update, 'Khaan. Can't really see further ahead than that right now.
Round 6
Day
The Expedition Leader, also known as Yoda – the Grand Master of the Jedi, was leaving his quarters late in the evening.
He had some business to attend to. He had just locked the door of his quarters using the force instead of a key when he heard a sinister voice to his right.
“Soo… Yoda, Grand Master of the Jedi, we meet at last.”
Yoda reacted quickly drawing and igniting his green crystal lightsaber in one fluid move.
There in the middle of the hallway to his right stood a cloaked person with amber glowing eyes and a crimson plasma blade radiating an eerie red glow on the floor, on the walls and in the ceiling. Yoda was ready and took his defensive stance after showing his Grand Master lightsaber signature.
The cloaked person seemed not too impressed.
“Nice moves, old man – now view for the first and last time of your aging life, the signature of a Sith Lord” and the cloaked person proceeded to show his flurry move with a twirl that would have decapitated a close opponent.
It seemed a tad aggressive to Yoda, but he said nothing. He just stood waiting.
The cloaked person walked calmly up to Yoda and attacked with a powerful overhand swing. The sounds of plasma against plasma vibrated in the hallway as the two combatants exchanged attacks and blocks. This continued a little while before Yoda showed who was the real master of the blade and grazed the hand of the cloaked person upon which the crimson lighsaber went clanking down the hallway.
The cloaked person screamed in rage and took up a position of wanting to jump at Yoda like a predator. Instead of leaping towards him, he seemed to release something. Yoda was barely able to create an impregnable barrier around him before a torrent of the force was unleashed in his general direction. The air howled all around his force field and destroyed the cabins on both sides of him. But Yoda stood still under his force protection.
The cloaked person looked utterly spent kneeling on the floor and couldn’t believe his own eyes.
Someone was approaching from behind him and another cloaked person appeared, putting a reassuring hand on the shoulder of the kneeling cloaked person. Amber glowing eyes looked directly at Yoda from a shrouded and dark face.
The second cloaked person said nothing but raised his hands towards Yoda and blue lightning cascaded from them and danced on the protective shield.
Such was the power of the lightning that it sat afire all the debris around Yoda. But Yoda was safe under his force driven protective shield.
Much of his force powers went into maintaining it and the last two attacks had nearly drained him dry.
Both of the cloaked persons stood now side by side, one clutching his damaged hand.
The second looked inquisitively at Yoda and raised one hand. Yoda suddenly felt heavy as if all his force power were ripped from him. He stumbled and fell to his knees. The destroyed and burning hallway swirled around him and he hit the floor hard – utterly devoid of life force.
The second cloaked person looked at the fallen Grand Master of the Jedi and chuckled:
“And so ends the might of the Jedi, the reign of the Sith will begin.” They both laughed. The first cloaked person reached out and his lightsaber returned to his hand.
Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force were meditating.
She had started her usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into her very being. She heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions she received. The directions led to a special storage area.
The gathering next morning was lacking the expedition leader and everybody was starting to worry. The Jedi Masters sent out a team of Jedi Knights to search for the expedition leader and they soon returned with his dead body. A great man had fallen prey to the Sith and they were without a leader.
The Jedi mourned the loss of this great man. The expedition was in jeopardy as they had no one to lead them. As they were at a loss of what to do – a light formed next to the fallen leader’s body. A ghostly appearance looking a bit like the fallen leader stood there in front of them. A hollow voice declared: “Greetings Jedi. My essence has returned from the Valley of the Jedi. I will still be able to guide you, but I will appoint a replacement that will lead you. I hereby declare that the Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn will take the mantle of Grand Master of the Jedi in my absence.
A round of applause and cheers were heard.
“Now, I will have to go, I can not stay long in my visits to you. The force allows it not. You will however need to find the Sith among you. I was attacked by two and two you must find.”
Then he was gone and Qui Gon Jinn declared. “Let the voting begin!!”
24 hours of voting people. (ends at 23:00 GMT+1 23rd of April).
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Ibn-Khaldun
04-22-2010, 22:30
This is most disturbing!
Looks like Yaseikhaan was mafia. However, he wasn't the Sith Lord since a new apprentice was recruited by the Sith.
Edit: Also, looks like it took 2 Sith's to take down Yoda.
Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2010, 22:52
In case you're wondering, the one recruited wasn't me.
I'm Nomi Sunrider, a female Jedi.
pevergreen
04-22-2010, 23:00
This is most disturbing!
Looks like Yaseikhaan was mafia. However, he wasn't the Sith Lord since a new apprentice was recruited by the Sith.
Edit: Also, looks like it took 2 Sith's to take down Yoda.
Thats so Revan? Trying to think of who could be bigger and older than Palpatine.
Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2010, 23:04
Thats so Revan? Trying to think of who could be bigger and older than Palpatine.
A lot of people, unfortunately.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Lord
Pre-Palpatine Sith Lords:
Ancient Sith
* Shar Dakhan
* Dor Gal-ram
* Dreypa
* Garu
* Horak-mul
* Tulak Hord
* Karness Muur
* Kla
Darth Revan
* Red-armored Sith Lord
* Ludo Kressh
* Freedon Nadd
* Najus
* Tritos Nal
* Ajunta Pall
* Marka Ragnos
* Saes Rrogon
* Naga Sadow
* Rin Shuuir
* Simus
* Bo Vanda
* Darth Vitus
* XoXaan
Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger
Lost Tribe of Sith
* Olaris Rhea
* Workan
Brotherhood of the Sith
* Exar Kun
* Ulic Qel-Droma
Revan's Sith Empire
* Darth Revan
* Darth Malak
Sith Triumvirate
Darth Phobos, a Sith after the old Sith wars
* Darth Nihilus
* Darth Sion
* Darth Traya
After the Old Sith Wars
Darth Ruin, one of the leaders of the New Sith Empire
* Angral
* Baras
* Darth Desolous
* Sith Emperor
* Darth Phobos
* Unidentified Darth
New Sith Empire
Kaan, leader of the Brotherhood of Darkness
* Belia Darzu
* Na'daz
* Darth Rivan
* Darth Ruin
* The Dark Underlord
Brotherhood of Darkness
Darth Zannah, first apprentice under the Rule of Two
* Unidentified Advozse Sith Lord
* Finn
* Githany
* Hezzoran
* Kaan
* Kaox Krul
* Kas'im
* Kopecz
* LaTor
* Orilltha
* Qordis
* Seviss Vaa
* Shenayag
* Sirak
Order of the Sith Lords/Rule of Two
Darth Sidious, Dark Lord of the Sith
All Sith following the Rule of Two, both master and apprentice, held the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. This list is in chronological order.
* Darth Bane
* Darth Zannah
* Darth Cognus
* Darth Millennial
* Darth Ramage
* Darth Vectivus
* Darth Plagueis
We should look over our list of confirmed roles in this game.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-22-2010, 23:13
A lot of people, unfortunately.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Lord
Pre-Palpatine Sith Lords:
Ancient Sith
* Shar Dakhan
* Dor Gal-ram
* Dreypa
* Garu
* Horak-mul
* Tulak Hord
* Karness Muur
* Kla
Darth Revan
* Red-armored Sith Lord
* Ludo Kressh
* Freedon Nadd
* Najus
* Tritos Nal
* Ajunta Pall
* Marka Ragnos
* Saes Rrogon
* Naga Sadow
* Rin Shuuir
* Simus
* Bo Vanda
* Darth Vitus
* XoXaan
Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger
Lost Tribe of Sith
* Olaris Rhea
* Workan
Brotherhood of the Sith
* Exar Kun
* Ulic Qel-Droma
Revan's Sith Empire
* Darth Revan
* Darth Malak
Sith Triumvirate
Darth Phobos, a Sith after the old Sith wars
* Darth Nihilus
* Darth Sion
* Darth Traya
After the Old Sith Wars
Darth Ruin, one of the leaders of the New Sith Empire
* Angral
* Baras
* Darth Desolous
* Sith Emperor
* Darth Phobos
* Unidentified Darth
New Sith Empire
Kaan, leader of the Brotherhood of Darkness
* Belia Darzu
* Na'daz
* Darth Rivan
* Darth Ruin
* The Dark Underlord
Brotherhood of Darkness
Darth Zannah, first apprentice under the Rule of Two
* Unidentified Advozse Sith Lord
* Finn
* Githany
* Hezzoran
* Kaan
* Kaox Krul
* Kas'im
* Kopecz
* LaTor
* Orilltha
* Qordis
* Seviss Vaa
* Shenayag
* Sirak
Order of the Sith Lords/Rule of Two
Darth Sidious, Dark Lord of the Sith
All Sith following the Rule of Two, both master and apprentice, held the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. This list is in chronological order.
* Darth Bane
* Darth Zannah
* Darth Cognus
* Darth Millennial
* Darth Ramage
* Darth Vectivus
* Darth Plagueis
We should look over our list of confirmed roles in this game.
That list isn't that long..
*watches the list*:jawdrop:
Well the main ones that stand out in that really long list are Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion and Darth Traya.
All of the above are mentioned in the KOTOR series and all either filling an antagonist role or mentioned as a major figurehead of the Sith in the past (Ragnos, Kun). Kreia/Darth Traya would be a role I would expect in this game considering we've seen Atris already. She was infinitely more bad*** than Darth Sidious too. :3
Actually, we cannot even know if Palpatine was guilty. There is no indication of any difference in the kill write-ups. I would imgaine a newly recruited Sith would not be able to attack me on the same turn.
It was that draining attack that got me. I had complete defense against the lightsaber and my Force Protect managed to block the Force Push and the Lightning. Ah, well. I am glad that I saved the life of a single Jedi by focussing all the Sith against me.
Also, I can still vote. And I know who Qui-Gon is, or at least who is claiming his role.
Vote: Thermal Mercury
Let's have a lot of discussion and find these Sith now.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-22-2010, 23:23
Actually, we cannot even know if Palpatine was guilty. There is no indication of any difference in the kill write-ups. I would imgaine a newly recruited Sith would not be able to attack me on the same turn.
It was that draining attack that got me. I had complete defense against the lightsaber and my Force Protect managed to block the Force Push and the Lightning. Ah, well. I am glad that I saved the life of a single Jedi by focussing all the Sith against me.
Also, I can still vote. And I know who Qui-Gon is, or at least who is claiming his role.
Vote: Thermal Mercury
Let's have a lot of discussion and find these Sith now.
To me this looked like initiation attack. Sith Lord watched his new apprentice killing first time.
To me this looked like initiation attack. Sith Lord watched his new apprentice killing first time.
Yep; it seems as though Chaotix managed to fend off the apprentice but was ultimately defeated by the Sith Lord.
Well the main ones that stand out in that really long list are Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion and Darth Traya.
All of the above are mentioned in the KOTOR series and all either filling an antagonist role or mentioned as a major figurehead of the Sith in the past (Ragnos, Kun). Kreia/Darth Traya would be a role I would expect in this game considering we've seen Atris already. She was infinitely more bad*** than Darth Sidious too. :3
Exar Kun is Sith weaksauce... Most of the KotOR Sith aren't that impressive either.
Try Freedon Nadd (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nadd), Karness Muur (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karness_Muur), Naga Shadow (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Naga_Shadow).
Admittedly, I don't know much of the newer established pre Empire Sith, but in the latest iteration of the Star Wars RPG, Darth Bane (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane)'s stats make in one of the strongest, if not the strongest Sith that has been stated. (Above those you mentioned Secura)
Also, Darth Cadeus (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Cadeus) (Jacen Solo) is pretty scary in his power.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-22-2010, 23:40
Jacen Solo is dead though. IIRC, then he was killed by the Siths.
'Khaan sure was acting like mafia last night, so despite that I really *don't* see any clues that would indicate a recruitment, I guess we have to assume there could have been one.
I can confirm ATPG's claim pre-existing last night; that's one tidbit of information that found its way to me.
I'm going to go ahead and
vote: Psychonaut
based on my recent posts and the previous ones, pending yet more explanation of Psychonaut's ability.
GeneralHankerchief
04-22-2010, 23:50
Darth Bane, anyone?
Exar Kun is Sith weaksauce... Most of the KotOR Sith aren't that impressive either.
Well, I stated Exar Kun because I remember Kreia constantly mentions the guy, among others, when you're on Korriban. As for the KotOR Sith:
- Darth Revan, survives having the Force ripped from him among other things
- Darth Malak, loses half his face and still lives
- Darth Nihilus, essentially EATS PLANETS
- Darth Sion, immune to physical pain
- Darth Traya, ticks every single box on the Magnificent ******* checklist
Malak's the only one that stands out as 'weaksauce' to me, and Revan would probably be more likely to be Light Side-aligned (as is the case canonically)... but the other three are all plausible.
I don't really know much about Darth Bane to comment on him... but as you can tell I love KotOR. xD
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 00:04
Darth Bane was the godfather of the modern Sith order, started the Rule of 2, and was the only survivor of the Battle of Ruusan on either side. All in all he was a seriously evil Sith Lord and a worthy ultimate enemy.
Well, I stated Exar Kun because I remember Kreia constantly mentions the guy, among others, when you're on Korriban. As for the KotOR Sith:
- Darth Revan, survives having the Force ripped from him among other things
- Darth Malak, loses half his face and still lives
- Darth Nihilus, essentially EATS PLANETS
- Darth Sion, immune to physical pain
- Darth Traya, ticks every single box on the Magnificent ******* checklist
Malak's the only one that stands out as 'weaksauce' to me, and Revan would probably be more likely to be Light Side-aligned (as is the case canonically)... but the other three are all plausible.
I don't really know much about Darth Bane to comment on him... but as you can tell I love KotOR. xD
Sure, but Karness Muur for example made a talisman which contained his essence, possesed anyone wearing it (actually it forcebly attaches itself to a few people) and turns any nearby human who isn't force senstive into a rakghoul controled by the wielder of the talisman. :wink:
Not saying the KoTOR ones are weak, I just don't find them that impressive, probably because you, as a player character, becomes so much more powerful than them.
I would like to reprise my vote from yesterday to ask Diana Abnoba to come forward from the shadows.
vote: Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 00:19
Sure, why not.
Vote: Diana
autolycus
04-23-2010, 00:38
Does anyone know how Sigurd handles pronouns when he doesn't want to reveal gender? I don't think atpg's been converted either, but his feminine nature doesn't seem like a guarantee to me.
For now I will follow the force ghost and vote:Thermal Mercury.
Besides Subotan and Diamondeye, I'm still having some issues with Psychonaut. First, he did give me a partial description of his ability; however, what he says he learns remains very vague, and what he says he can reveal about it even vaguer. I asked follow-up questions and got that he was too tired to respond at that time but would in the morning. Morning Sydney time has long since come and gone, and no PM.
I have a Customer Behaviour exam. Personal life = more important than game. I can't give you the response you deserve in a rush. Now excuse me while I rush a response to your completely unfounded accusations.
I really hope Psycho is mafia, because he's looking more like one the more I read. Focusing on AVSM and Khaan references, that first quoted post looks great for Psycho. But not so much re-reading the last lines: he was actually advocating neither of them, but rather that people stick with the 'good candidate' Niklas.
???? That's the problem, you're reading way to into everything. And when something isn't there you are twisting it to fit a conclusion. Take a step back and take a fresh look.
Where do you get that from? Did you miss the post where I said we should lynch khaan?
Secondly:
So he actually suggests that 'Khaan is a good lynch, albeit with a qualifier attached, and without moving his vote off Niklas. He's also, which I had forgotten, one of those who suggested that Khaan's out of thread behavior was unusual for him. (Do Psycho and Khaan usually talk, btw?) All this sounds good for Psychonaut's innocence. But then, after several vote changes, a defense post from Niklas, and a post from Psycho referencing a wish for a vote count, Psycho posts this:
I didn't change my vote at first because there had been absolutely no tallies and so many changes that I thought it was a stupid idea to change more votes without one. So I went through did the tally. And changed my vote. I was going to vote 'khaan, but noticed that Jooray had voted since then and I didn't want either lead candidate to run away with it at that stage. So I voted AVSM to keep it even. So if either of them dropped by they could at least have a chance of changing people's minds.
I have a Customer Behaviour exam.
You study capitalism, too? ~D
I don't think I'm going to be alive in any games in the gameroom at this rate. :grin:
I appreciate that I'm not being much use, anything I do say will probably make things worse, so I'll just vote and let you all pile a mountain of scum a top of me.
vote: jolt
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 02:53
The only question that matters: Where is the Sith Lord?
Put yourselves in the Sith Lord's shoes for one moment, fellow Jedi. Sith Lord can recruit apprentices, seemingly without end, or there is at least no known end to this. The Sith Lord can kill and recruit, and even break through Jedi defenses. A very powerful role indeed... what would you do if you had this power? If I were the Sith Lord:
Unlike my Sith apprentices, who are a dime a dozen, I will be trying desperately to avoid both suspicion and the lynch. Sith apprentices however can lurk, act scummy, and flirt with being WOG'ed. Like Yaseikhaan, they can lay limp as a ragdoll until they finally get lynched, and then will intentionally act scummy afterward. Those who lynched the scum look nice and pro-townie, especially if they were early on the "Khaan is scum" wagon. Or even if Khaan wasn't scum.... they could easily do this with any of their apprentices. Why not? You can act like you're a valuable, talkative contributor who is actively catching scum, while reducing the pool of Jedi with the lynch, the recruitment, and the murders. How can you go wrong with this strategy? All your recruits act like total scum, and it keeps you alive... and even if they don't act like scum, townies will probably get lynched, while you're hiding among the seemingly useful players, right in the town's "blind spot".
We need to stop Sith recruitment. Hitting the recruits is like playing whack-a-mole... it's time to unplug the machine.
Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons? I see TinCow, I see Sasaki, I see Kagemusha and GeneralHankerchief. However, GH went after me too strongly early in the game, I think that's too risky for the Sith Lord. Sasaki also.
I'd like to place a Finger of Suspicion: on TinCow and Kagemusha as possible Sith Lords.
But really, who is posting more than usual? Who indeed.
vote: atheotes
66 posts? What prompts you to act so out of the norm, friend atheotes. Tell me your role, because you have one.
Yaropolk
04-23-2010, 03:14
I dont think Sasaki is the Sith lord, he wouldn't lay his neck on the line R1 to PM autoclys with Sith informer role and then come forward with it. I'll Vote: TC to come forward as I think he's quite quiet.
Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons?
So, your theory is that the people who act the most pro-town are the scum?
I dont think Sasaki is the Sith lord, he wouldn't lay his neck on the line R1 to PM autoclys with Sith informer role and then come forward with it. I'll Vote: TC to come forward as I think he's quite quiet.
Internet was completely shut down at work today due to a virus introduced into the main server. Since I normally post from work, that impacted my ability to read and post over the past 24 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 03:43
So, your theory is that the people who act the most pro-town are the scum?
Not necessarily. But the Sith Lord is someone who will avoid all of the usual pitfalls, and you know this.
Fellow players, I direct your attention to a very big change in atheotes' behavior over the course of this game as opposed to others he's been in (as town OR scum).
First of all, he's very talkative. Much more so than usual.
Secondly, he's not just talkative, he's present, almost omnipresent. On almost every single 80-post page I've read, he's been present, and discussing and responding, and laughing at people's jokes, and agreeing with people.
Thirdly, he's been very interested in adding to other people's comments, other people's theories, and agreeing with those theories and/or adding in theories of his own. This isn't typical atheotes behavior. He's never quite this engaged in a game.
Fourthly, he continually directs the lynch toward the most controversial characters, or the lurking-est characters.
Fifth, when he does vote, he is commonly the only person to vote for that player. This means no one is really upset that he voted for them.
Sixth, when he voted for Khaan, it was late late in the round and his vote didn't matter, much like mine. However, unlike him, I had considered Khaan a suspect earlier on, and even voted him early on that round. He never really went after Khaan until it was too late for Khaan. His vote wasn't the lynching vote but it was darn close. Close enough to look like it mattered, but not. Interestingly, that's the only time I can recall he actually tried to get someone lynched like that... he's been the sole vote otherwise, or he's not voted at all.
Seventh, he's made a very big show of offering excuses any time he leaves this thread for an extended period. That's unlike him... he is usually absent for long stretches... no one would really notice if he did leave for a while. But, he's been so self-conscious that he's offered excuses on at least two or three occasions. He's very self-conscious.
Eighth, and this is funny: How he reacts to me in particular. Early in the game he responded to me several times with agreement, and adding onto what I said. Later on, he would ask why people thought I was scummy, or why I should be lynched, or he'd respond to others accusing me. Instead of being one of the many who accused me early on, he has been very cautious not to trigger my usual defensive reaction. No townie really is that concerned with my reaction to them, but atheotes seems to be.
Later on, he tries to get me lynched on the basis of not wasting vig kills and because I'll eventually get recruited and so on and so forth. He smells blood, here's the time to waste a lynch and off Pizza, who hasn't been scummy all game according to him.
Ninth, and really obviously: He's posting over and over all these helpful suggestions on how we should proceed, and what we should do, and what we shouldn't be revealing, and so on and so forth. Almost the same thing as my typical nervous reaction when I am scum: Act as pro-town as possible.
Tenth: almost any time he gets voted, he responds directly to his accuser. This is not typical of atheotes, he's never all that concerned with one or two votes. He's USED to being the scapegoat, as "atheotes is always mafia" after all. So why is he so defensive and sensitive to criticism?
Add that to his unusual activity levels and general self-consciousness and over-the-top helpfulness. He's telling others how to use the search function, for example. He's laughing at everyone's jokes. He just can't get enough of this particular game. He doesn't act that way in any other game.... ever.
Now, if he were a PRO-TOWN role, he would be acting more conservatively, trying to hide in the shadows, not the spotlight. He's hiding in the spotlight to look like an ordinary townie, and to avoid the usual accusations. And his suspects are never controversial, and he rarely votes to lynch, and when he did, it was everyone's suspect, Khaan.
Atheotes is TevashSzat in Godfather III, except with more posts, because he is usually accused of lurking or not posting enough. So that's the adjustment he made this time.
I want an explanation for all these variations from his usual behavior. Go back and look, see for yourself. He's not the usual atheotes.
atheotes is always the mafia, perhaps he rolled a townie?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 04:57
atheotes is always the mafia, perhaps he rolled a townie?
Maybe. But I want to know who he is and what he's been up to, if anything.
If he's not a "pro-town role" then given his odd behavior he should be lynched, period. If he is a pro-town role, it needs to be demonstrable or else I'm not buying it. Like I said, he hasn't been acting in a way to avoid the murder, he's been acting in a way to avoid the lynch, specifically.
Atheotes has been a good analytical player, it isn't terribly out of character for him even if he is a little more alert than usual.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 05:52
Atheotes has been a good analytical player, it isn't terribly out of character for him even if he is a little more alert than usual.
Inishmore: 11 posts (in progress)
Shakespeare: 11 posts (concluded)
Chinese Zodiac: 10 posts (concluded)
Mafia IX: 10 posts (concluded)
The only unusual game I found was this, and this game was unusual in and of itself:
Shadow Fort: 109 posts out of 3455. (Massive game) Average number of sentences per post: 1-2, fewer jokes, survived into the late game, basic townie. Average posts per 80post page: 1-2.
This game:
1582 posts. 80ppp= roughly 20 pages. Here, he's got about 3 posts per page, with significantly more discussion per post. He's never been this engaged or involved, by a factor of an extra 50% above his highest extreme, which was itself out of the norm, and he's acting strangely in content as well as quantity. That doesn't indicate pro-town role, for sure, so at worst he's a basic townie. But I believe this behavioral change and the content of his posts indicate he is extremely interested in this game in particular, and if not a pro-town role, then why?
I'm not going to pass this off as simply being a big Star Wars fan, either. I need more than that.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 05:52
My responses are in blue...i found it easier to do it this way :bow:
Not necessarily. But the Sith Lord is someone who will avoid all of the usual pitfalls, and you know this.
Fellow players, I direct your attention to a very big change in atheotes' behavior over the course of this game as opposed to others he's been in (as town OR scum).
First of all, he's very talkative. Much more so than usual.
Agreed.
Secondly, he's not just talkative, he's present, almost omnipresent. On almost every single 80-post page I've read, he's been present, and discussing and responding, and laughing at people's jokes, and agreeing with people.
True. Did you check how many posts i had in Shadow Fort? more than 100. It can be attributed to less stress at work.
Thirdly, he's been very interested in adding to other people's comments, other people's theories, and agreeing with those theories and/or adding in theories of his own. This isn't typical atheotes behavior. He's never quite this engaged in a game.
Perhaps I like Starwars :wink:
Fourthly, he continually directs the lynch toward the most controversial characters, or the lurking-est characters.
This is not specific enough for me to respond
Fifth, when he does vote, he is commonly the only person to vote for that player. This means no one is really upset that he voted for them.
I have voted for whoever i think is the best choice :shrug:
Sixth, when he voted for Khaan, it was late late in the round and his vote didn't matter, much like mine. However, unlike him, I had considered Khaan a suspect earlier on, and even voted him early on that round. He never really went after Khaan until it was too late for Khaan. His vote wasn't the lynching vote but it was darn close. Close enough to look like it mattered, but not. Interestingly, that's the only time I can recall he actually tried to get someone lynched like that... he's been the sole vote otherwise, or he's not voted at all.
Before i voted for Khaan, i had my vote on Niklas - based on Tincow's accusation. Khaan and AVSM were tied for votes. Renata broke the tie and i added to it. I see my vote as being pretty strong.
Seventh, he's made a very big show of offering excuses any time he leaves this thread for an extended period. That's unlike him... he is usually absent for long stretches... no one would really notice if he did leave for a while. But, he's been so self-conscious that he's offered excuses on at least two or three occasions. He's very self-conscious.
I made an excuse ONCE - that too when i had a vote one me. I asked for explanation so I mentioned i will gone for the day anyway and will not be able to respond. But iam glad you notice i go away for long stretches ~:pat:
Eighth, and this is funny: How he reacts to me in particular. Early in the game he responded to me several times with agreement, and adding onto what I said. Later on, he would ask why people thought I was scummy, or why I should be lynched, or he'd respond to others accusing me. Instead of being one of the many who accused me early on, he has been very cautious not to trigger my usual defensive reaction. No townie really is that concerned with my reaction to them, but atheotes seems to be.
Later on, he tries to get me lynched on the basis of not wasting vig kills and because I'll eventually get recruited and so on and so forth. He smells blood, here's the time to waste a lynch and off Pizza, who hasn't been scummy all game according to him.
If Chaotix did not reveal in-thread, you had to go. You know it was necessary...you proposed it first.
Ninth, and really obviously: He's posting over and over all these helpful suggestions on how we should proceed, and what we should do, and what we shouldn't be revealing, and so on and so forth. Almost the same thing as my typical nervous reaction when I am scum: Act as pro-town as possible.
Acting pro-town is scummy? what can i say?
Tenth: almost any time he gets voted, he responds directly to his accuser. This is not typical of atheotes, he's never all that concerned with one or two votes. He's USED to being the scapegoat, as "atheotes is always mafia" after all. So why is he so defensive and sensitive to criticism?
There was no reason for the vote on me. So i inquired. :shrug:
Add that to his unusual activity levels and general self-consciousness and over-the-top helpfulness. He's telling others how to use the search function, for example. He's laughing at everyone's jokes. He just can't get enough of this particular game. He doesn't act that way in any other game.... ever.
Again...I like starwars. More importantly i have had some free time at work over the last month and a half. Usually, i am in catch up mode trying to keep up with the thread...having more time has helped me. You can see this in Shadow Fort as well.
Now, if he were a PRO-TOWN role, he would be acting more conservatively, trying to hide in the shadows, not the spotlight. He's hiding in the spotlight to look like an ordinary townie, and to avoid the usual accusations. And his suspects are never controversial, and he rarely votes to lynch, and when he did, it was everyone's suspect, Khaan.
Atheotes is TevashSzat in Godfather III, except with more posts, because he is usually accused of lurking or not posting enough. So that's the adjustment he made this time.
I want an explanation for all these variations from his usual behavior. Go back and look, see for yourself. He's not the usual atheotes.
I think i have answered everything
atheotes
04-23-2010, 05:57
Maybe. But I want to know who he is and what he's been up to, if anything.
If he's not a "pro-town role" then given his odd behavior he should be lynched, period. If he is a pro-town role, it needs to be demonstrable or else I'm not buying it. Like I said, he hasn't been acting in a way to avoid the murder, he's been acting in a way to avoid the lynch, specifically.
Why do you want to know if i have any abilities? Dont you think that information is more useful to mafia than town?
You want to lynch me because there is no reason to lynch me :tongue3:
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:01
Why do you want to know if i have any abilities? Dont you think that information is more useful to mafia than town?
You want to lynch me because there is no reason to lynch me :tongue3:
Who are you, atheotes?
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:03
Inishmore: 11 posts (in progress)
Shakespeare: 11 posts (concluded)
Chinese Zodiac: 10 posts (concluded)
Mafia IX: 10 posts (concluded)
The only unusual game I found was this, and this game was unusual in and of itself:
Shadow Fort: 109 posts out of 3455. (Massive game) Average number of sentences per post: 1-2, fewer jokes, survived into the late game, basic townie. Average posts per 80post page: 1-2.
This game:
1582 posts. 80ppp= roughly 20 pages. Here, he's got about 3 posts per page, with significantly more discussion per post. He's never been this engaged or involved, by a factor of an extra 50% above his highest extreme, which was itself out of the norm, and he's acting strangely in content as well as quantity. That doesn't indicate pro-town role, for sure, so at worst he's a basic townie. But I believe this behavioral change and the content of his posts indicate he is extremely interested in this game in particular, and if not a pro-town role, then why?
I'm not going to pass this off as simply being a big Star Wars fan, either. I need more than that.
Good that you went back and looked at Shadow Fort.
Inishmore - i am not able to get the hang of the game. so i am not really into that game. :shrug:
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:04
Who are you, atheotes?
Give me a good reason as to why i should tell you?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:09
Give me a good reason as to why i should tell you?
Your hesitation indicates one of two things:
Pro-town role (I don't think so, not with your chosen strategy)
Sith.
If you're a basic role, just claim.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:13
Your hesitation indicates one of two things:
Pro-town role (I don't think so, not with your chosen strategy)
Sith.
If you're a basic role, just claim.
not everyone plays the same way. so you could be wrong. :wink:
Are you asking my character name or just my role in the game? my first response was based on my assumption that you were asking for my character name.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:16
not everyone plays the same way. so you could be wrong. :wink:
Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were. Soft-claiming doesn't help either.
Are you asking my character name or just my role in the game? my first response was based on my assumption that you were asking for my character name.
At this point I'll settle for nothing less than a quoted Role PM, since it's not against the rules to do so. Do this and I'll remove my vote from you.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:24
Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were. Soft-claiming doesn't help either.
At this point I'll settle for nothing less than a quoted Role PM, since it's not against the rules to do so. Do this and I'll remove my vote from you.
I am not claiming any role - soft or not. You were town 2 phases ago. That is not enough for me to trust you. I would rather keep you guessing.
Your can keep your vote on me :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:26
I am not claiming any role - soft or not. You were town 2 phases ago. That is not enough for me to trust you. I would rather keep you guessing.
Your can keep your vote on me :shrug:
I was town two phases ago and there hasn't been a female recruit since. If you were a basic role you would just claim.
And so I shall keep my vote where it is.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:30
I was town two phases ago and there hasn't been a female recruit since. If you were a basic role you would just claim.
And so I shall keep my vote where it is.
According to you :grin:
How are you so sure that recruitment will show in the write up?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:31
According to you :grin:
How are you so sure that recruitment will show in the write up?
^
Stalling while forging a role PM.
There has already been at least two recruits shown in the write-up. It even tells us when a Padwan has been promoted.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:33
^
Stalling while forging a role PM.
There has already been at least two recruits shown in the write-up. It even tells us when a Padwan has been promoted.
:laugh4:
If you dont mind can you point me to the recruitments? :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 06:34
unvote, vote:atheotes
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:40
unvote, vote:atheotes
reason pls
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 06:43
reason pls
Because you're mafia.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:47
Because you're mafia.
good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:47
:laugh4:
If you dont mind can you point me to the recruitments? :bow:
Interesting.... I cannot.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:49
On second thought, if you're Sith you're doing a pretty good job of hiding it. I may be misreading you.
unvote: atheotes
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:52
Interesting.... I cannot.
i was asking sincerely... I still dont see the recruitments.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:52
i was asking sincerely... I still dont see the recruitments.
You're correct.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 06:53
good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.
Do it then. Why didn't you when he was proven to be Yoda?
unvote, vote:pevergreen
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 06:55
Vote: pevergreen. You havent done anything constructive the whole game. Still you keep hanging around as if you were interested.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:57
Do it then. Why didn't you when he was proven to be Yoda?
unvote, vote:pevergreen
I initially did not want to do it for the same reason we had decided not to do it with Andres. But after he voted and posted that he can do so, i think it is ok to reveal to him. I did not have the time to do it and when i came back i got involved with ATPG.
I cant find the rules post...am i allowed to quote my role-pm?
atheotes
04-23-2010, 06:59
You're correct.
hmm... what did you think was Sith recruitment shown in the write-up?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 06:59
I initially did not want to do it for the same reason we had decided not to do it with Andres. But after he voted and posted that he can do so, i think it is ok to reveal to him. I did not have the time to do it and when i came back i got involved with ATPG.
I cant find the rules post...am i allowed to quote my role-pm?
The rules are very few, and I read them all. Yes, you probably can quote it.
Rules are – few…
The game will be divided into two phases per round. A day phase where everybody participates and a night phase where very few participate.
What the particulars are will be revealed in due time.
I am aiming for a game that could become a classic, a game that even after being played once could be played again without too many changes.
As with the Midgard games, I strive to innovate. That is true for this game as well.
I believe at this point the reason why it is allowed is because the Sith have cover roles. I'm not going to bother asking for role PMs at this point, Sigurd probably compensated for that. I've been going about this all wrong.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 07:09
The rules are very few, and I read them all. Yes, you probably can quote it.
I believe at this point the reason why it is allowed is because the Sith have cover roles. I'm not going to bother asking for role PMs at this point, Sigurd probably compensated for that. I've been going about this all wrong.
yeah...i saw that. Since there are no rules listed...i guess it is ok. But i am not a fan of mass reveals. Perhaps it is prudent to wait for the host. But that would paint suspicion on me.
Anyways if the sith have cover roles, i guess role claiming is of no use.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:10
yeah...i saw that. Since there are no rules listed...i guess it is ok. But i am not a fan of mass reveals. Perhaps it is prudent to wait for the host. But that would paint suspicion on me.
Anyways if the sith have cover roles, i guess role claiming is of no use.
I strongly believe at this point, role claiming is totally useless. It's probably why Yaseikhaan never role claimed, it would expose the fact that the Sith have cover roles, and he was doomed anyway.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 07:14
I strongly believe at this point, role claiming is totally useless. It's probably why Yaseikhaan never role claimed, it would expose the fact that the Sith have cover roles, and he was doomed anyway.
I agree. I dont think this can be done any other way then the old fashioned way.Pressure the possible Sith´s and trust they will make a mistake, while simultaneosly observe the other players and their conduct.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:23
@ Kage
On the other hand, the Sith recruitment thing either isn't as dire as I thought, or we will never know when the Sith have recruited someone. If it is visible, then they've never done it. If it isn't, the game is probably still balanced somehow.
If we can recover from some of these blunders we should be fine. Just treat it like a standard mafia game, like Kage is saying. Also, my premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding... it's total garbage at this point. There may be some merit in avoiding the lynch that way, but that theory was based on a lot of assumptions that just got shot to heck.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 07:29
@ Kage
On the other hand, the Sith recruitment thing either isn't as dire as I thought, or we will never know when the Sith have recruited someone. If it is visible, then they've never done it. If it isn't, the game is probably still balanced somehow.
If we can recover from some of these blunders we should be fine. Just treat it like a standard mafia game, like Kage is saying. Also, my premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding... it's total garbage at this point. There may be some merit in avoiding the lynch that way, but that theory was based on a lot of assumptions that just got shot to heck.
My hunch is that the Sith´s havent lost a single player. I believe that the names and roles havent got pretty much anything to with each other, with few exceptions like Yoda. If they would be connected.Then we would have 100% scum tell each time a Sith name is lynched.Which to me would make a unbalanced game.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:31
My hunch is that the Sith´s havent lost a single player. I believe that the names and roles havent got pretty much anything to with each other. If they woulkd be connected.Then we would have 100% lynch tell each time a Sith name is lynched.Which to me would make a unbalanced game.
I rather disagree... I think if the Sith have cover roles (Prevents mass reveals being effective at all) then the only way to really help out the town is to reveal the "true" name of a player when they die.
Look at Yaseikhaan's post-death behavior, it didn't seem pro-town to me. Then again I've not exactly been a reliable compass so far.
It's just that Palpatine was never ever on the "light" side of the force, no matter how young. Him posing as an initiate is just way off from being authentic, creative license or not.
pevergreen
04-23-2010, 07:34
Inishmore - i am not able to get the hang of the game. so i am not really into that game. :shrug:
Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.
Vote: pevergreen. You havent done anything constructive the whole game. Still you keep hanging around as if you were interested.
Actually, bored tbh.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 07:37
I rather disagree... I think if the Sith have cover roles (Prevents mass reveals being effective at all) then the only way to really help out the town is to reveal the "true" name of a player when they die.
Look at Yaseikhaan's post-death behavior, it didn't seem pro-town to me. Then again I've not exactly been a reliable compass so far.
It's just that Palpatine was never ever on the "light" side of the force, no matter how young. Him posing as an initiate is just way off from being authentic, creative license or not.
Ofcourse you could be right.If thats the case it would mean that we dont get any hint when the Sith recruits.It would mean that last night Sith lord killed Yoda with an apprentice that was recruited the same night. Or the rule of two doesnt apply. To me this just doesnt add up.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:41
vote: Lord Winter
Active today, and there don't seem to be any WOG rules whatsoever for this game. He dropped off the map as soon as the game started, and he hasn't stopped by to say Hello. Since he won't be WOG'ed, he's either a disinterested townie or a lurking scum, and in either case he's totally useless to us in the endgame. He should be the default lynch (says Pizza with his remaining shred of credibility)
atheotes
04-23-2010, 07:44
Apologies Pizza - i am not sure what to make of all this. I am getting very bad vibes - you are making too many assumptions and it is unlike you.
I dont think there is anything here that needs to be confidential.
So it begs the question.... and I'll ask this privately since it's a big deal. I do not want this discussed publicly. You knew they were not recruitments all along. Only someone who is actively aware of that as a Jedi, with a powerful role to keep, would be a pro-townie and not reveal that. You're involved with the Jedi Holocron somehow, aren't you?
It's either that or you're a Sith Lord.
Your secret is safe with me, I'm willing to be put to death for my error, but out of curiosity, how did you know? Who are you, really?
Just your name is fine at this point. I am hoping that my backing off and my idiocy regarding the recruitments should prove my good intentions.
If you don't answer I suppose I'll have to eat that and deal, but the fact is if I were a Sith (which I'm not) I already know you probably have a powerful role. May I ask who it is?
Unfortunately, you may be wrong in multiple counts. But i dont wish to elaborate as i dont trust you. sorry.
Fair enough.
What I thought was recruitment appears to actually be Jedi who are being summoned to view the Jedi Holocron, and gain new powers. This has been happening almost every night, there's NO WAY those are Sith recruitments.
My entire premise behind who the Sith are is probably wrong. The Sith don't recruit in that manner, and you're totally right, if the Sith are recruiting there may be no visible signs of such.
At the same time, it is known that people are capable of going Sith. That means they CAN gain recruits. It's probably the only thing which balances out the Jedi gaining abilities every night.
As I can fall to the Dark Side, I understand your hesitation to trust me. But I haven't turned and my lack of understanding about the game, plus the recent investigation, should be proof of that. I also backed off the instant I saw my case crumble before my eyes.
Maybe you can't trust me with secrets, but I am willing to listen to you. Who should be voted for? My premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding falls to pieces if there hasn't been so much recruitment as I thought, so I am back to square zero. I have to regroup, and guidance would be appreciated.
You're probably just a mid-level Jedi or something, and probably aware of the holocron thing as you might have gained powers by that, and that's probably why you didn't buy my theory about the recruitment every night because you saw the Holocron thing and knew exactly what it was. No idea. But whatever.
If I am so off base about that then you could be anybody.
continued from my response
Do you have any objections to continuing this discussion in-thread?
I am wary of some of it. The reason being, I don't want the Sith to know that I know what I know, and that you knew it all along.
They will assume you've been to the Jedi holocron and this makes you a murder target. For your safety I'd switch the topic of discussion in public, and we can drop this in private if you wish.
I do not know if this is how you always gather information...i will let others be the judge of that.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:45
you are making too many assumptions and it is unlike you.
:laugh4:
I shall respond as brilliantly as you did. Eventually you'll see where the error in this sentence is, and then I won't need to defend myself anymore.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 07:46
Ofcourse you could be right.If thats the case it would mean that we dont get any hint when the Sith recruits.It would mean that last night Sith lord killed Yoda with an apprentice that was recruited the same night. Or the rule of two doesnt apply. To me this just doesnt add up.
I dont think the rule of 2 applies. It would not make sense from a game balance perspective what with so many claimed pro-town abilities. I am going to assume there are more than 2 sith and between them they have 2 kills.
pevergreen
04-23-2010, 07:46
vote: Lord Winter
Active today, and there don't seem to be any WOG rules whatsoever for this game. He dropped off the map as soon as the game started, and he hasn't stopped by to say Hello. Since he won't be WOG'ed, he's either a disinterested townie or a lurking scum, and in either case he's totally useless to us in the endgame. He should be the default lynch (says Pizza with his remaining shred of credibility)
WoG'd in my game due to inactivity.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 07:50
I dont think the rule of 2 applies. It would not make sense from a game balance perspective what with so many claimed pro-town abilities. I am going to assume there are more than 2 sith and between them they have 2 kills.
Well if the two can kill Yoda and Dooku.To me it doesnt sound as un balanced at all.The Sith just seem incredibly strong.Like i said earlier.I dont think we have got a single one out of them.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 07:54
Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.
Actually, bored tbh.
Then you dont mind if we relieve you of your boredom by lynching you?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 07:57
Just want to note that Lord Winter was active today on the forum but didn't post anywhere.
He might have gotten WOG'ed in pevergreen's game on purpose.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 08:00
Just want to note that Lord Winter was active today on the forum but didn't post anywhere.
He might have gotten WOG'ed in pevergreen's game on purpose.
I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 08:02
I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.
I disagree. Those are the critical rounds which have the HIGHEST percentage chance of catching scum, and I refuse to waste those important rounds on whack-a-lurker.
We decide to lynch him or let him skate through the game, not wait until the final moments and then get second thoughts about leaving lurkers alive. Personally I vote death, since I have absolutely no (censored) idea who to lynch atm.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 08:06
I disagree. Those are the critical rounds which have the HIGHEST percentage chance of catching scum, and I refuse to waste those important rounds on whack-a-lurker.
We decide to lynch him or let him skate through the game, not wait until the final moments and then get second thoughts about leaving lurkers alive. Personally I vote death, since I have absolutely no (censored) idea who to lynch atm.
I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 08:10
Well if the two can kill Yoda and Dooku.To me it doesnt sound as un balanced at all.The Sith just seem incredibly strong.Like i said earlier.I dont think we have got a single one out of them.
Lets say the Sith are strong enough to kill anyone (100% kill rate) - it becomes similar to vanilla mafia. Even in that case, 2 out of 40 is very low numbers for mafia.
I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.
Agree with you on the Lord Winter case...we can leave him as a default lynch if we cant find anyone. But there is plenty of time.
AVSM was not the only one who tried to avoid the WOG - White_eyes also did that and a soft-claim as well.
Vote: White_eyes i am 50-50 about this...
I would like to hear from Diana as well.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 08:10
I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.
It's round 6, 5 straight rounds of inactivity from Lord Winter and not so much as a hint or peep from Sigurd about WOG-bait players, and nothing in the rules pertaining to WOGs, and Sigurd is the type of host who would specifically mention how much activity is required before you get tossed out. No warning even after round 6, nothing in the rules against total lurking, plus Lord Winter being active today and still not posting anywhere, tells me he knows it is legal and he can do it all he likes, and that Sigurd will never WOG anyone.
That said, it is a fair question to ask the game host. If WOGs will happen, then I will remove my vote from Lord Winter, and return that vote to him if he ever shows up to save his neck.
I shall PM the host with said question.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 08:11
It's round 6, 5 straight rounds of inactivity from Lord Winter and not so much as a hint or peep from Sigurd about WOG-bait players, and nothing in the rules pertaining to WOGs, and Sigurd is the type of host who would specifically mention how much activity is required before you get tossed out. No warning even after round 6, nothing in the rules against total lurking, plus Lord Winter being active today and still not posting anywhere, tells me he knows it is legal and he can do it all he likes, and that Sigurd will never WOG anyone.
That said, it is a fair question to ask the game host. If WOGs will happen, then I will remove my vote from Lord Winter, and return that vote to him if he ever shows up to save his neck.
I shall PM the host with said question.
Thats fair enough.
Lets say the Sith are strong enough to kill anyone (100% kill rate) - it becomes similar to vanilla mafia. Even in that case, 2 out of 40 is very low numbers for mafia.
But the odds arent right if the Sith can recruit each time the other Sith dies. So i think the game could be very much balanced with the rule of two.
Diana Abnoba
04-23-2010, 08:11
@ Niklas
was busy IRL, when I got a chase to vote, found that the phase ended early.
@ Pizza
I see SOME of your logic about Atheotes, he isn't posting as his usual self, but neither is WE. Also I like to know how many phases you have to miss until you get WOG'd, I don't think Lord Winter has voted or posted yet. If he is not WOG'd, I would think he must be mafia. Does Sigurd WOG at all? Does anyone know?
Until someone better comes into focus Vote: Lord Winter
atheotes
04-23-2010, 08:16
Argh...edited a post with a vote
vote: White_eyes
and Diana posted while i was editing my post.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 08:20
Unvote and Vote: White_eyes is a legimite lynch. He came out from lurking when accused.While pever seems to act like in GH´s mafia.
Unlike my Sith apprentices, who are a dime a dozen, I will be trying desperately to avoid both suspicion and the lynch. Sith apprentices however can lurk, act scummy, and flirt with being WOG'ed. Like Yaseikhaan, they can lay limp as a ragdoll until they finally get lynched, and then will intentionally act scummy afterward. Those who lynched the scum look nice and pro-townie, especially if they were early on the "Khaan is scum" wagon. Or even if Khaan wasn't scum.... they could easily do this with any of their apprentices. Why not? You can act like you're a valuable, talkative contributor who is actively catching scum, while reducing the pool of Jedi with the lynch, the recruitment, and the murders. How can you go wrong with this strategy? All your recruits act like total scum, and it keeps you alive... and even if they don't act like scum, townies will probably get lynched, while you're hiding among the seemingly useful players, right in the town's "blind spot".
The Queens' gambit sounds like a move 'khaan would have come up with himself.
Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons? I see TinCow, I see Sasaki, I see Kagemusha and GeneralHankerchief. However, GH went after me too strongly early in the game, I think that's too risky for the Sith Lord. Sasaki also.
I'd like to place a Finger of Suspicion: on TinCow and Kagemusha as possible Sith Lords.
I fail to see why you exclude GH and Sasaki :inquisitive:
It's only a gut feeling really, but I can't shake the feeling that GH is scum in this game.
EDIT: If I understand things correctly, GH subtly dropped a hint here and there through pm's about 'khaans' behaviour. That was what made people more suspicious about 'khaan and eventually got him lynched. Nothing too obvious, just a subtle hint here and there and then a post in the thread when 'khaans' fate was sealed. That in combination with the knowledge that Sith Lord can apparently recruit a new apprentice, makes me very suspicious of GeneralHankerchief.
Lynch him.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 08:27
Ah Andres, let me save you some time... all the posts you may have missed in between, have shot my original theory you just quoted to pieces.
I don't believe it is plausible anymore, and I think from your reaction you did miss something. My advice is to take a walk backward and read it if you haven't.
Now: I'm going to shut up because I've posted enough in just this one round to fill a small mafia game in my failed attempt to accuse someone intelligently. If you need me contact me privately because I am apparently a post-making machine and that clutters up the thread and makes it hard for players like Diana to keep up.
good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.
By this point you've practically admitted that you have an important role.
Diana Abnoba
04-23-2010, 08:33
Sorry honey, but this is so true. While I was posting (I don't type fast at all) like 20 more post passed and so my last post doesn't make as much sense now. :embarassed:
Ah Andres, let me save you some time... all the posts you may have missed in between, have shot my original theory you just quoted to pieces.
I don't believe it is plausible anymore, and I think from your reaction you did miss something. My advice is to take a walk backward and read it if you haven't.
Now: I'm going to shut up because I've posted enough in just this one round to fill a small mafia game in my failed attempt to accuse someone intelligently. If you need me contact me privately because I am apparently a post-making machine and that clutters up the thread and makes it hard for players like Diana to keep up.
I take it you didn't read my post #1636 post edit.
I would lynch GH. The subtle behaviour behind the scenes simply smells like a trick him and 'khaan would come up with. The connection between those two is too obvious to ignore.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 08:33
By this point you've practically admitted that you have an important role.
maybe...maybe not. It is open to interpretation :wink:
maybe...maybe not. It is open to interpretation :wink:
A lot of pro town roles flying around, perhaps Sigurd was more liberal than he let on.
Or perhaps not.... :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 08:39
unvote, vote: Generalhankerchief
[unlurk]I'll hear back about WOGbait players soon enough. Until then may as well be somewhat constructive with my vote.[/lurk]
atheotes
04-23-2010, 08:42
I take it you didn't read my post #1636 post edit.
I would lynch GH. The subtle behaviour behind the scenes simply smells like a trick him and 'khaan would come up with. The connection between those two is too obvious to ignore.
interesting theory... that does seem possible.
these quoted posts will serve as WIFOM
In space there is no day.
Vote: Andres
Vote: Andres
That's who GH voted for, so its clearly a wise choice.
Vote: Beskar
Once more, my general hath shown me the direction.
Vote: Beskar
Diana Abnoba
04-23-2010, 09:01
I found out through Pizza, though Sigurd, that there will be WOGs in this game. So we don't need to WOG/lynch the lurkers ourselves. With that info I will;
Unvote: Lord Winter Vote: GH
Diamondeye
04-23-2010, 09:49
Finally people are coming to their senses regarding GH.
vote: GH
I want to hear GH's reply first before I'd feel confident to cast a vote for him, although he has a lot of questions to answer, so HoS:General Hankerchief
However, there is someone who is active and who has failed to address the concerns we have about him.
Vote:Thermal Mercury
It's only a gut feeling really, but I can't shake the feeling that GH is scum in this game.
EDIT: If I understand things correctly, GH subtly dropped a hint here and there through pm's about 'khaans' behaviour. That was what made people more suspicious about 'khaan and eventually got him lynched. Nothing too obvious, just a subtle hint here and there and then a post in the thread when 'khaans' fate was sealed. That in combination with the knowledge that Sith Lord can apparently recruit a new apprentice, makes me very suspicious of GeneralHankerchief.
Lynch him.
I agree about GH, but would like your take on ATPG. He has been very aggressive here, which is not consistent with his behavior over the last several months. It's more like the old ATPG from his early mafia games. I am also having difficulty shaking the fact that we all know he is recruitable. Has Sigurd ever had a recruiting ability in any of his games? If so, have the recruitments shown up in the write-up?
For now I will
Vote: GH
but ATPG needs to be closely scrutinized. You can't be outed as recruitable and be left alone in a game like this.
Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were.
You think it isn't frustrating enough for the pro-town roles that the very people they try to help act stupid because they lack all kinds of info and then get them killed on top of it?
If I were a pro-town role I wouldn't have revealed as easily as most of them and I would have killed off Secura for even hinting at my role... ~;)
There's a right time for such things and it's usually not in the first half of the game.
Might also want to have a closer look at Kage, although you probably wouldn't find much even if he is Sith, probably similar for TinCow.
I agree about GH, but would like your take on ATPG. He has been very aggressive here, which is not consistent with his behavior over the last several months. It's more like the old ATPG from his early mafia games. I am also having difficulty shaking the fact that we all know he is recruitable. Has Sigurd ever had a recruiting ability in any of his games? If so, have the recruitments shown up in the write-up?
For now I will
Vote: GH
but ATPG needs to be closely scrutinized. You can't be outed as recruitable and be left alone in a game like this.
I found it odd that ATPG says it can't be him, because his character is female, while the write-ups talk about cloaked figures and never clearly indicate the gender ("the cloaked figure", "the person" in combination with the occasional "his" doesn't say something about the gender, imo).
But let's not lose focus now. I'm very well aware that I'm not infallible, but this time, I'm pretty certain GH is scum. This whole thing just has 'khaan and GH written all over it. Make sure the General gets lynched, no reverse bandwagon in the last 2 hours please; stay focused and keep those votes on GH.
If GH turns out to be innocent, I'll take all the blame for his lynch :bow:
Greyblades
04-23-2010, 13:45
Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 13:52
Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.
Maybe then we should vote you?
Maybe then we should vote you?
I second this notion.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 14:10
I second this notion.
Notion granted. Unvote and vote:Greyblades
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 14:18
Okay, let's see if I understand the charges against me.
I've come under suspicion for apparently coming out of the khaan lynch too good, correct?
Andres PM'd me two days ago now, with the subject heading "It surprises me..."
to hear that you're involved in a townie group/network in the Revenge of the Sith game, given your firm stance against such networks/groups in the thread.
Care to explain?
:inquisitive:
To which I replied:
Uh, what? :inquisitive: I've been involved in no such thing. Maybe I got investigated and cleared, but if so, it's happened without my knowledge and I haven't been contacted once about participation in anything.
This is the truth. Andres's PM came from totally out of the blue and I was thrown for a loop upon reading it.
However, I have had out-of-thread conversation with someone about the game. This was with khaan, of course. This is because khaan and I talk about *everything* out of thread. We're friends on Steam and we talk about things nearly every day. Some of it is about Mafia. Obviously Star Wars was going to come up. He was the one who initially alerted me to the Beskar issue back in Day 1. I easily took the bait, since it matched my feelings about pro-town networks anyway, and from there we had a couple of days where we would go after Beskar.
There were two times in the next days where I would take my vote off Beskar. One of them was on Day 2 when I joined the Pizza wagon. The other was a few days ago when Beskar made his defense and everything started to come out into the open and I finally realized my mistake. Both times, khaan kept his vote on Beskar. The second time, he pushed me on Steam to put my vote back on Beskar. Hard. This was uncharacteristic of khaan, and I realized as much about halfway through his pushing. He had never done anything like this before. So on Steam, I remained noncommittal, kept my vote off Beskar, and put it on khaan the next day.
I don't have the chatlog from that day, but even if I did I don't think it would have made any difference since you'd need to compare it with about a years' worth of other logs to contrast his behavior. But yeah, you guys are barking up the wrong tree here. I don't have a super-awesome power role, so my lynch won't be that bad, but you still ain't getting a Sith.
I'd also like to know a bit more about Andres's sources. Obviously, given the circumstances, you don't need to name names, but I still maintain that you need to check whoever led you on about me very closely.
Okay I haven't read the last two pages yet but ... what the heck, Pizza? The holocron as a Sith recruitment tool? That idea has had no basis in rational speculation since Methos' death at least (since he had been called on the second night). Add Beskar and it beggars belief that you could really think that was recruitment.
Explain in plain English what you were really trying to accomplish with all of that, or you're getting my vote and I don't even care if I can figure out how you could be Sith at this point.
Also, Psychonaut's PM to me had some information that may have bearing on the cover roles issue. I'm tempted to post it, since he still hasn't seen fit to answer my follow-up questions, real life reasons or no.
pevergreen
04-23-2010, 14:27
This was with khaan, of course. This is because khaan and I talk about *everything* out of thread.
GH: Oh hai khaaaan
khaan: GH how are you?
GH: Absolutely not fabolous.
khaan: Ooooooooh nooooo, what happened?
GH: Andres, would you believe it, totally just tried to message me privately. I was all like 'not in this house mister!'
khaan: Ooooh that lawyer is mine now, can I get him baby?
GH: Oooh you're so hot when you're angry
khaan: I need you so much right now.
etc etc
:grin2:
I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.
Agree partially. Next round will be fine, IMO, as at that point I think it will be safe to say that either Sigurd just plain isn't doing WOGs, or that Lord Winter is still alive for a reason. This round is still too early for me to be sure, and as you say a few posts on, I don't want to waste a lynch on WOG-bait.
Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.
What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 14:30
Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.
What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...
Well there is that small problem that he is dead.:pleased:
@ Niklas
was busy IRL, when I got a chase to vote, found that the phase ended early.
IIRC the only phase that ended early was a *night* phase.
unvote, vote: Diana Abnoba
I'm tempted to post it, since he still hasn't seen fit to answer my follow-up questions, real life reasons or no.
PM sent. Argh, that took quite a while.
Well there is that small problem that he is dead.:pleased:
Well, so am I, what can you expect from someone who is braindead? :sweatdrop:
Okay, let's see if I understand the charges against me.
I've come under suspicion for apparently coming out of the khaan lynch too good, correct?
This.
And the fact that you pm'ed people about 'khaan urging you to vote for Beskar. It's subtle, it's nice, it leads to the lynch of 'khaan. The connection between the two of you in the beginning and a nice, subtle Queens' gambit. It smells like you.
Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.
What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...
I got killed by the Sith somewhere at the beginning of the game...
Apart from that, I have no evidence of my innocence, sorry.
Kagemusha
04-23-2010, 14:46
I think GH is a good lynch, but we should also put pressure to others aswell.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 14:58
And the fact that you pm'ed people about 'khaan urging you to vote for Beskar. It's subtle, it's nice, it leads to the lynch of 'khaan. The connection between the two of you in the beginning and a nice, subtle Queens' gambit. It smells like you.
Total lies. I did no such thing.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 15:07
Also, Greyblades, I never voted for you.
I got killed by the Sith somewhere at the beginning of the game...
Apart from that, I have no evidence of my innocence, sorry.
Yes, I was made aware of this minor flaw in my otherwise splendid theory, might just apply everything but your name to TinCow and Kagemusha.
Figures that I'm not going at this very scientifically this time around, but then I'm just a poor force-ghost and my brain was deactivated by an evil sith killer, how am I supposed to think like this? :no:
Total lies. I did no such thing.
*snip*Like Yaseikhaan and GH were dead against it, but they were in their own town network, with anti-town networkers.. it is weird.*snip*
Why would Beskar lie to me?
Add to that some subtle posts by you here and there indicating that 'khaan was pushing you to vote Beskar and I smell something very fishy.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 15:34
I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF ANY NETWORK IN THIS GAME, protown, anti-protown, anti-town, pro-anti-anti-pro-antitown, or otherwise. :wall:
-edit- The posts really weren't that subtle. I was the one who initially called for a bandwagon on khaan, although that will probably just add to your other point.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 15:43
Okay I haven't read the last two pages yet but ... what the heck, Pizza? The holocron as a Sith recruitment tool? That idea has had no basis in rational speculation since Methos' death at least (since he had been called on the second night). Add Beskar and it beggars belief that you could really think that was recruitment.
Explain in plain English what you were really trying to accomplish with all of that, or you're getting my vote and I don't even care if I can figure out how you could be Sith at this point.
I will support you on that :yes:
atheotes
04-23-2010, 15:46
Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.
hmm....You are a lot more decisive than that.
FoS: Greyblades
I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF ANY NETWORK IN THIS GAME, protown, anti-protown, anti-town, pro-anti-anti-pro-antitown, or otherwise. :wall:
Coming from GH, I belive this statement. If he were in a network, Mafo-GH would not deny it like this, he would find some way to make it proof of his innocence. His explanation about Steam makes sense to me. Since that appears to be the only case against him...
Unvote; Vote: Greyblades
Posting for no reason except to say you can't make up your mind is scumtastic.
Greyblades
04-23-2010, 16:10
I would have been more decisive if I wasn't about to go to a maths lesson and had to leg it immediately afterwards.
Also, Greyblades, I never voted for you.
You didnt? Let me check...:sweatdrop: wrong game and a different guy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore!-In-Play&p=2472314&viewfull=1#post2472314) sorry.
Yaropolk
04-23-2010, 17:11
FYI, Lord Winter just got WoG'd in Ishinmore, which started about the same time as this game. I doubt he's scum, and will probably be WoG'd here shortly as well.
pevergreen
04-23-2010, 17:35
FYI, Lord Winter just got WoG'd in Ishinmore, which started about the same time as this game. I doubt he's scum, and will probably be WoG'd here shortly as well.
Already said this, and he got wog'd at least 24 hours ago. :wink:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 17:45
Let's lynch atheotes, pizza, kage and pever.
I'm cool with that. Then again, I'm in a really bad mood. :)
Have a tally:
GeneralH 3: (ATPG, Diana, Diamondeye)
Thermal 3: (Chaotix, autolycus, Subotan)
Diana 3: (Niklas, GeneralH, Renata)
Jolt 1: (Thermal)
pevergreen 1: (Sasaki)
TinCow 1: (Yaropolk)
White_eyes 1: (atheotes)
Greyblades 1: (Kage)
I am not placated by Diana's responses. She's done nothing but skim along, her posts today contain no substance other than votes that directly mirror ATPG. I want more than a "sorry, RL" answer.
Did you (or anyone) see my vote for her? It appears to be a direct lie as a reason for not voting. An explanation would be nice, at the least.
You are referring to this exchange:
was busy IRL, when I got a chase to vote, found that the phase ended early.
IIRC the only phase that ended early was a *night* phase.
unvote, vote: Diana Abnoba
Yes, you definitely have a point there. Diana?
atheotes
04-23-2010, 18:38
a better use for my vote since you guys are not concerned about White_eyes showing up to avoid the WOG, soft claiming and disappearing again.
unvote:White_eyes; Vote: Diana
unvote
vote: GH
I addressed your post the first time Subotan, your response didn't leave me much else to say.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 21:11
unvote
vote: GH
I addressed your post the first time Subotan, your response didn't leave me much else to say.
you saved yourself? why did you vote for GH?
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:16
unvote, vote: Thermal Mercury
And Niklas, you have no idea what you're talking about. Diana is not tech-savvy and it takes her a while to read the thread and post a post. You can lynch her over that, but it will be dumb.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:18
@ Renata/atheotes, et al who think I'm scum:
Whatever. No answer I give could possibly placate you, so just lynch me whenever it pleases you. That will be your other dumb lynch.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 21:30
unvote, vote: Thermal Mercury
And Niklas, you have no idea what you're talking about. Diana is not tech-savvy and it takes her a while to read the thread and post a post. You can lynch her over that, but it will be dumb.
Why did you vote for Thermal?
Greyblades
04-23-2010, 21:31
Oh what a happy, friendly, not-getting-irritable game this is turning into.
Gh doesnt particualy come off as scummy to me and I dont think diana's inactivity is a good reason. Vote:Thermal Mercury.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:34
Okay I haven't read the last two pages yet but ... what the heck, Pizza? The holocron as a Sith recruitment tool? That idea has had no basis in rational speculation since Methos' death at least (since he had been called on the second night). Add Beskar and it beggars belief that you could really think that was recruitment. Explain in plain English what you were really trying to accomplish with all of that, or you're getting my vote and I don't even care if I can figure out how you could be Sith at this point.
Let's see.... I was holding the same assumption since the beginning of the game, publicly, that there were recruitment actions happening based on the writeup, and no one corrected me, because not many others were paying enough attention to put 2 and 2 together to ask me out of curiosity "Hey, Pizza, where do you see recruitment happening in the writeup?". I wasn't "really trying to accomplish" anything with that except work from a theory I had been working from early on in the game. A theory which, over time, became clear to others that it was patently wrong, but it wasn't clear to me because I wasn't reading the writeups very closely. No one ever corrected me on that.
I'd also recommend if you're posting in a "really bad mood" to step back and compose yourself, before you go off like I did early on in the game in a spectacular display of non-accomplishment. Trust me, it doesn't do you any favors to try to think and vote and argue your position when you're in a bad mood. I know from personal experience. :beam:
@ atheotes:
Since GH isn't getting lynched, and as a counter-vote to the Diana wagon, which I'll go on the record as saying is.... :dunce:
I could also vote for Greyblades, but honestly the only reason I would is because I don't think Diana is guilty. No special knowledge there, and it's possible she could have gotten recruited, but in my professional opinion as a mafia player, you are barking up the wrong tree with her.
And Niklas, you have no idea what you're talking about. Diana is not tech-savvy and it takes her a while to read the thread and post a post. You can lynch her over that, but it will be dumb.
This kind of logic is completely irrelevant to the game. No, you are perfectly correct in that I don't know the reasons for Diana's behavior, that's why I'm putting the pressure on her to explain. I don't know any of the players in this game. I have no idea what they are like in person, I have no idea what personal traits might affect their behavior in the game. That's true for Diana, but equally true for anyone else. Is GH really busy with college? Did Psycho really have an exam to attend? Who knows? I'm quite convinced you know quite a lot about Diana, and thus you possibly judge her by a different measure than me. That doesn't mean she should be left without scrutiny, never asked to explain her actions. I'm not voting her because she takes a while to post, I'm voting her because the posts she has made have done nothing to dispel any suspicions, on the contrary as Renata's query shows. I'm still waiting for her to show up and explain. That's why we were to create these ties and put pressure on people in the first place, no? Now whose idea was that again..? I believe there's 30 minutes left on the clock.
Current tally:
Thermal 5: (Chaotix, autolycus, Subotan, ATPG, Greyblades)
Diana 4: (Niklas, GeneralH, Renata, atheotes)
GeneralH 3: (Diana, Diamondeye, Thermal)
pevergreen 1: (Sasaki)
TinCow 1: (Yaropolk)
Greyblades 1: (Kage)
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 21:43
unvote, Vote:diana
Someone can break the tie.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:44
I am not placated by Diana's responses. She's done nothing but skim along, her posts today contain no substance other than votes that directly mirror ATPG. I want more than a "sorry, RL" answer.
This is the part I am referring to.
She's not skimming along, if she were, she'd be able to keep up with the "current" discussion better. I often advise her to skim to catch up, but she's the type who insists on reading every post, which is not a mark against her at all.
As for her posts which mirror mine, I'll also explain something I know about her from a personal level-
Look back on her posts all game long. She tries to analyze, reason out, and discuss, and place independent votes. What happens is, in the cacophany of other people talking, she gets totally ignored. It's gotten to the point where all she can really do is bandwagon in order to make her vote count.
Why I am speaking for her in this regard: I know if she said these things, she would try to get the wording just right to be forceful and not offend you guys at the same time, and I know that it might be a little while before she can respond.
I know that my personal knowledge is being used a bit here, but it's no different from TinCow's knowledge of GH's detestment of pro-town networks or a familiarity i have with Split or Beskar.
As for your general strategy of putting pressure on her, that's fine. That's no harm no foul, but I'd like to correct some of your misinterpretations about her. If you lynch her that's also your business, I disagree with it, but I'm one vote.
You got 15 minutes to break that tie
atheotes
04-23-2010, 21:47
@ atheotes:
Since GH isn't getting lynched, and as a counter-vote to the Diana wagon, which I'll go on the record as saying is.... :dunce:
I could also vote for Greyblades, but honestly the only reason I would is because I don't think Diana is guilty. No special knowledge there, and it's possible she could have gotten recruited, but in my professional opinion as a mafia player, you are barking up the wrong tree with her.
Why GH isnt getting lynched? when you changed ur vote, he was tied with Thermal :inquisitive:
atheotes
04-23-2010, 21:49
to be honest, i dont mind Thermal or GH being lynched.
unvote: Diana; vote: GH
Diana Abnoba
04-23-2010, 21:52
Sorry all that I don't "read townie" to you, but I am. Don't know what you want to hear? The last day phase did end early, and yes, I know the night phase did as well before that (omg don't read too much into that- I'm not mafia/ nor have I been recruited). I just doing the best that I can, with no real info.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 21:54
to be honest, i dont mind Thermal or GH being lynched.
unvote: Diana; vote: GH
You don't want diana lynched then.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:54
Why GH isnt getting lynched? when you changed ur vote, he was tied with Thermal :inquisitive:
That was a momentum shift against GH being lynched because some of the main charges against him were refuted or dropped. I was busy posting and didn't have the current tally in my head at the time.
I am willing to move my vote, but the vote tally is very close atm and that makes it easy for the scum to overturn a lynch on them, if we're even correct on any of these candidates. If we move we should move as one.
4 mins remain
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 21:56
If you voted GH he'd be in the lead.
atheotes
04-23-2010, 21:58
You don't want diana lynched then.
I prefer Thermal or GH lynch over hers right now.
What I'm asking is for your contribution. Not joining the discussion => nothing to judge behavior by => nothing to catch a scum on other than lurky-ness. If you don't contribute, you risk being lynched for lurking. It's really that simple.
If I vote GH now then he's tied with Thermal. ATPG needs to be the one to switch his vote.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 21:59
If you voted GH he'd be in the lead.
This is totally lame on GH. He's not my top suspect, and this is purely a sparing Diana move.
unvote, vote: GH
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 22:00
Unvote: Diana
Vote: Thermal
I really want to contribute more, but don't have any time at the moment. Since I don't want to be WoGed, but don't feel comfortable to decide between the choices given I'll Vote: Abstain.
This is totally lame on GH. He's not my top suspect, and this is purely a sparing Diana move.
unvote, vote: GH
No, it was a sparing Thermal move, Diana was not in the running.
unvote; vote: GH in case it's still on time and to avoid any last minute scum attempts.
EDIT: 23:01, guess I missed it. So we have a tie, thanks to GH's vote.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 22:01
Come on, it's pretty much agreed that I'm the secondary target for two people that want to be spared. Can't we just pick between one of them?
Vote: Abstain.
O.O
Hos:Joooray
Come on, it's pretty much agreed that I'm the secondary target for two people that want to be spared. Can't we just pick between one of them?
Apparently not, since the deadline has now passed.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 22:03
unvote, vote: Thermal
If it is tied, tiebreaker
unvote, vote: Thermal
If it is tied, tiebreaker
... except you're three minutes past the deadline.
Askthepizzaguy
04-23-2010, 22:06
... except you're three minutes past the deadline.
Depends on how Sigurd breaks ties: Runoff, sudden death, no lynch, double lynch, or coin flip.
If runoff, we would have more time.
Coin flip, double lynch, no lynch, we can't do anything that's the host decision.
Sudden death: Possibility my vote had meaning. In that case I prefer Thermal to GH
atheotes
04-23-2010, 22:06
unvote, vote: Thermal
If it is tied, tiebreaker
I think GH broke the tie with his vote on Thermal.
Edit: my counting was off :embarassed:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 22:07
Come on, it's pretty much agreed that I'm the secondary target for two people that want to be spared. Can't we just pick between one of them?
The last minute vote will probably get you lynched in a run off.
O.O
Hos:Joooray
Come on, you want me to cast the decisive vote after barely skimming the thread?
I know, I make myself very suspicious with this, but it's all I have time for at the moment. :embarassed:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2010, 22:11
That's a bad HoS from Subo imo.
The last minute vote will probably get you lynched in a run off.
I noted GH reading the thread 20 minutes before the deadline, so he would have known the situation. His last minute vote switch was quite deliberate.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 22:15
I noted GH reading the thread 20 minutes before the deadline, so he would have known the situation. His last minute vote switch was quite deliberate.
Of course it was deliberate. I didn't want to be lynched.
Of course it was deliberate. I didn't want to be lynched.
It was the "last minute" part I meant to point to as being deliberate, not the vote in itself.
Rounds end with my "voting ended" post.
Tally:
Thermal Mercury: 6 (ATPG, autolycus, Chaotix, GH, Greyblades, Subotan)
GeneralHankerchief: 5 (atheotes, Diamondeye, Diana, Niklas, Thermal)
Diana Abnoba: 2 (Renata, Sasaki)
Greyblades: 2 (Kage, TinCow)
TinCow: 1 (Yaropolk)
Abstain: 1 (Joooray)
Not voting: 9 (AVSM, Centurion1, johnhugh, Jolt, Lord W, pever, Psycho, Secura, WE:D)
I think this is the right one... making the writeup based on this.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2010, 22:21
It was the "last minute" part I meant to point to as being deliberate, not the vote in itself.
I didn't change my vote until ATPG put me in the lead/tie (I forget which). If the status quo was going to hold, then I wouldn't have changed my vote.
johnhughthom
04-23-2010, 22:21
Gah, back from work later than anticipated. And I would probably have voted GH...
That's a bad HoS from Subo imo.
Why?
Oh rats, missed the vote. Keep doing that in Inishmore too. >.<
Apologies, Sigurd.
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled mafia game.
Diana and everybody -- I'm sorry, the round did end earlier last time. I was the one who had it wrong. Apologies. Not my day, evidently.
Round 7
Night
There was much tention and nervousness in the gathered expedition crew after their strong leader had died. The fact that he had appeared again after his death had greatly confused the minds of hard barked scientists. Was there life after death? Some of them thought it was all a trick conjured by the Sith to utterly confuse them. Others believed that the force, which they now believed to be God, would grant them life after death and supernatural powers whilst alive.
Despite the confusion, they continued to interrogate in order to perhaps catch someone in a lie or discover discrepancies in each other’s testimonies.
The appointed time to conduct such interrogations ended and Qui Gon stepped forward and announced; “It is time to have a look at the tally.” A few hurried to make the final changes to it and handed it over to Qui Gon. “We have a candidate it seems, and by one vote.
Finn Galfridian, you have been found most likely to be one of the hidden Sith. Come forward and meet your accusers.
Finn the initiate, stepped down to the floor with a bent head. He barely glanced over the seated audience and meekly accepted his fate.
A couple of Knights stepped up to either of his side and escorted him to the hangar bay, where he was followed to the barrier. He walked out into space by his own accord and death came fast. His body was later retrieved and put in a casket and stored in the morgue.
Qui-Gon ordered the remaining of the expedition force to continue their work on the ship. Sith or not – they had a mission and he was now responsible for getting this monstrosity back to Coruscant and with as many of the crew members alive as was possible.
Night ends at 23:00 GMT+1 24th of April (22,5 hours from now)
Tally:
Thermal Mercury: 6 (ATPG, autolycus, Chaotix, GH, Greyblades, Subotan)
GeneralHankerchief: 5 (atheotes, Diamondeye, Diana, Niklas, Thermal)
Diana Abnoba: 2 (Renata, Sasaki)
Greyblades: 2 (Kage, TinCow)
TinCow: 1 (Yaropolk)
Abstain: 1 (Joooray)
Not voting: 9 (AVSM, Centurion1, johnhugh, Jolt, Lord W, pever, Psycho, Secura, WE:D)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Looks a lot like the last lynch, does it not?
Announcement.
I am going to replace Lord Winter and Jolt with Choxorn and someone who needs to answer the invitation.
Lord Winter is effectively replaced with Choxorn and will from this post be one of the players.
I will update the alive list with the results of this night phase.
Centurion1
04-24-2010, 01:07
there are so many pages.........
Seems I underestimated how much sleep I needed. Not, that it would have mattered, my vote would have been on TM anyway.
Belisarius II
04-24-2010, 02:52
there are so many pages.........
I totally agree https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/smilies/gc/gc-laugh4.gif
Amusing that ATPG votes for me because I saved myself, then changes, then after seeing GH save himself, changes back to me.
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2010, 04:56
As an FYI, I'll be out all day tomorrow and won't be around to defend myself/answer any questions.
Askthepizzaguy
04-24-2010, 10:58
Amusing that ATPG votes for me because I saved myself, then changes, then after seeing GH save himself, changes back to me.
Where did I say I voted for you because you spared yourself?
I voted for you because I didn't like the GH and Diana lynches.
Where did I say I voted for you because you spared yourself?
I voted for you because I didn't like the GH and Diana lynches.
Did you like the Thermal Mercury lynch, then?
@ atheotes:
Since GH isn't getting lynched, and as a counter-vote to the Diana wagon, which I'll go on the record as saying is.... :dunce:
You might not specify but its near enough ATPG.
Askthepizzaguy
04-24-2010, 18:11
Did you like the Thermal Mercury lynch, then?
At the time it was either him or GH, and I had already formed an opinion of GH which was leaning not Sith. Since TM turns out to be Finn Galfridian, I don't see it as a positive, merely a lesser of evils.
At the time it was either him or GH, and I had already formed an opinion of GH which was leaning not Sith. Since TM turns out to be Finn Galfridian, I don't see it as a positive, merely a lesser of evils.
I was an initiate by the way.
Round 7
Day
The progress on the major power plant of this monstrous ship was slow. Nothing much had been accomplished to day. The mini sun grew in strength but was not healthy enough to get this mile long ship up to hyper speed. Gunn Han Saresh was a wizard when it came to power plants, but this ancient type was difficult to master. And the state of the power grid was not helping much. It was a difficult task indeed.
Gunn Han was tired after a long session with the power plant and was heading back to his quarters. Just as he turned the last corner before a long stretch of a straight hallway, he stopped dead in his tracks. There in front of him he could see a cloaked person sitting on the floor meditating. Gunn Han walked slowly backwards on silent shoes.
The cloaked person seem to sense Gunn’s presence and said: “Gunn Han Saresh, I have been waiting for you, and now you try to sneak away before I have a chance to say hello?”The cloaked person was up on his feet in a heartbeat and was upon Gunn Han with lightening speed. It was as if the cloaked person was there 15 yards away and suddenly Gunn Han could feel the breath of the cloaked person who stood there a few feet away. The voice of the cloaked person turned menacing: “I have come to remove you from your duties.” And as soon as the cloaked person had said that, Gunn Han Saresh could no longer breathe. Gunn Han moved his hands to his throat as an instinctive reaction, but there was just nothing he could do to remove whatever had stopped the air flowing freely from and to his lungs. Only a few moments went before darkness enveloped Gunn Han Saresh, the Jedi Initiate.
Corran Horn the Padawan was out and about looking for this woman he had talked to earlier during the voting session. He thought her cabin was somewhere around here. He was looking at the name tags beside the doors. Most hadn’t name tags, but occasionally one would be alight with a name. “Atris”, he read – was that her name? He was about to knock on the door when a sinister voice was heard just down the hallway. “Corran Horn, what are you doing in these parts? Aren’t you a bit … a long way from your own quarters?” Corran turned and saw a cloaked personage with frightening amber glowing eyes in the dark shadow underneath the hood. A crimson glowing lightsaber was illuminating the hallway as the cloaked person strode silently towards him.
“I am .. sorry. W..ho a..re you?” was all Corran could manage to stutter. The cloaked person leaped up and did a somersault in mid air, finishing with a twirl and a backslash which took Corran Horn’s head clean off. “I am your end, Padawan”. The cloaked figure looked up at the cabin door and the name tag and laughed. “Sorry Padawan, you wouldn’t stand a chance. I guess love got the head of you… Hahahhahahahhahahaha!!!!”
Keyan Farlander was met by a familiar person on his way back to his cabin. “Do you mind if I follow along, Keyan?” Keyan looked worried, but said: “Yeah, sure.” They walked in silence to the cabin where Keyan said: “This is me, I guess I’ll see you around.” The other person answered: “Actually, I have something I need to discuss with you in private. Can I come in?” Keyan hesitated but gestured to the other person to enter the cabin. As soon as Keyan had entered also, the other person turned around with an accusing look.
“I need to do this.” Keylan Farlander’s world spinned around and he felt as if his mind was exploding. He fell over and darkness overtook him. He later woke up with a headache and with no recollection of how he had got to his cabin.
Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force were meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.
Later that morning on the obligatory meeting in the auditorium, Qui Gon Jinn discovered they were two short. He ordered some Knights to go and check. They came back later with a worried look in thief faces. Qui-Gon continued: “It seems we have lost an initiate and a Padawan last night. I have been commissioned to promote members of this crew should we lose some of our Padawans, Knights and Masters. I will therefore with no great fanfare announce that Shira Brie has been promoted to Padawan. Congratulations!
Now – we are still under attack by the Sith and therefore you need to get voting people. Find these Sith among you and get back to me in about 24 hours.
The round will end at 23:00 GMT+1, 25th of April
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Force Ghost:
Chaotix
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Centurion1
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
Kagemusha
Choxorn
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Secura
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Announcement.
splitpersonality is stepping in for Jolt in this game. He is now a player of this game.
johnhughthom
04-24-2010, 22:29
Vote: Split
Welcome aboard.
Askthepizzaguy
04-24-2010, 22:44
Vote: Yaropolk
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2010, 22:45
Town seems to be in a tough spot.
Atheotes should be the lynch today though.
"I'm a power role but I haven't say anything before and the only one I'll reveal to is chaotix"
"you know you're right, the mafia probably have cover roles, I won't bother revealing"
*isn't killed at night*
Yaropolk
04-24-2010, 22:54
I can do that too
Vote: Yaropolk
Wait, I'm doing it wrong...
Askthepizzaguy
04-24-2010, 22:57
unvote, vote: White_Eyes
Given how the town usually reacts to that, that would be a suicidal move for the mafia. However this is the only time I'm giving a pass to that, and if they lynch you I am not going to try to stop them, Yaro.
Splitpersonality
04-24-2010, 23:10
Vote: Johnhughthom
Good to be here ;)
Anyone care to fill me in on what's going on? Even an abridged version would help...
In short: The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and it is killing off all the pro-town roles.
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