Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can I just declare that Fluffy has won the game? :laugh4:

[Greyblades]

...you're sure Michael isnt resurrected?

[thefluffyone93]

...you're sure Michael isnt resurrected?

Yes......but I wish he was......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgPKc9FUC6Y

[Greyblades]

Pity. You know that would have been a perfect time to show the thriller music video. Ah well.

[thefluffyone93]

Pity. You know that would have been a perfect time to show the thriller music video. Ah well.

BUT....BUT....
TEH MOONWALK.....
AND THAT SUIT!
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/gorrila.png?t=1306455945

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh hush with the spam now.

[Diamondeye]

Can I just declare that Fluffy has won the game? :laugh4:

On behalf of the Chaotics: Yes.

Just kidding of course :curtain:, still, he does deserve it!

[naut]

Earthling. You are so wrong on every level it is humorous to all my flesh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would someone be able to do an item vote and current wager tally for me while I'm at work? I'll be able to speed the phase along when I get back.

[johnhughthom]

Items:

Mirrorshield: Kage 6
Pendant of Memories: Kage 5, Subo 1
Brass Knuckles: Kage 6
Golden Luger: Kage 6
Las Plagas Parasite: Kage 6

Bets:

GE: 15 Backwards Logic, 10 Earthling, 10 Visorslash, 15 Psycho, 15 Skooma, 10 Beefy, 10 WH, 9 shlin, 40 Arpeg, 10 Kage, 25 Roman. Total 169.
Fluffy: 10 Subo. Total 10.

[seireikhaan]

Bet: 10 credits on God Emperor

[Askthepizzaguy]

thanks a zillion, John.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well looks like another day of a successful lynch. Bet: 30 credits on GE

I have been finishing all my work so I can go out tonight and drink celebrate in a responsible manner my victory in my student government elections (see my frontroom thread for proof).

I will be in no shape to talk tomorrow morning, so wait a full day for any PM's to be replied to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY NINE



And the road becomes my bride
I have stripped of all but pride
So in her I do confide
And she keeps me satisfied
Gives me all I need
And with dust in throat I crave
Only knowledge will I save
To the game you stay a slave
Rover, wanderer
Nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will

But I'll take my time anywhere
Free to speak my mind anywhere
And I'll redefine anywhere
Anywhere I roam
Where I lay my head is home

And the earth becomes my throne
I adapt to the unknown
Under wandering stars I've grown
By myself but not alone
I ask no one
And my ties are severed clean
Less I have the more I gain
Off the beaten path I reign
Rover, wanderer
Nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will
Yeah, you will

But I'll take my time anywhere
I'm free to speak my mind anywhere
and I'll take my time anywhere
Anywhere I roam
Where I lay my head is home


-- Metallica






https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/hell.jpg







The survivors approached the center of the city. Smoke and ash filled the sky... it was difficult to tell day from night. A swirling vortex appeared above the tallest building still standing in the center of town, as if enormous power was being generated from that location.

Smoldering, molten rock flowed through the sewers of the city. Pavement began to split and sink into the burning depths. There wasn't much time left.


As usual, they began accusing one another. Again, Fire Brother made a case that one of them was a traitor, and without much discussion, they surrounded the figure, confronting God Emperor.



God Emperor: "What seems to be the trouble, my friends?"



Backwards Logic: "You.... you're not one of us. You're a demon!"



God Emperor: "Of course I'm a demon. Just look at me."





https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Yeqon.png



God Emperor: "Do you mean to tell me you weren't aware that I was a demon this entire time?"



Backwards Logic: "But you're not just any demon. And you aren't Lucifuge, the fleer of light. You're actually the Demonic Necromancer, Reenkis Roinkis! Don't even deny that you're a master of bringing souls back from the dead, using twisted, black magic!"



God Emperor: "I dabble."



Backwards Logic: "You're the one who brought the Crazed Rabbit gangster back from the dead."



God Emperor: "What of it, feeble mortal?"



Backwards Logic: "You're not just evil, you're trying to destroy us all!"



God Emperor: "Oh, if I wanted to destroy you all, you wouldn't be standing here talking about it. It would already be done. You have no idea the kind of power I possess."



Backwards Logic: "Enlighten me."



God Emperor: "I am the master of life and death. I have survived countless deaths, and will survive countless more. I bring spirits back from the dead, and turn insolent mortals into ashes for my own amusement. I can make and destroy every one of you just by wiggling my index finger. Death is only the beginning.... suffering is eternal."




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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ReenkisRoinkis.png



With that, the Demonic Necromancer summoned black magic orbs and began firing them at the gathered group. The survivors took cover as best they could, but several of the creatures that got caught in the blasts were incinerated instantly.


God Emperor cackled with insane glee as he summoned forth undead zombies, the bodies of the fallen, which began chasing down the survivors and trying to eat their delicious brains.


Many of them fought back, wielding chainsaws, and swords, and firearms of all sorts. But the army of the undead continued to come in waves.... and from the outskirts of the city, on the edges of Hell itself, the bodies of the damned came forth, with burning, twisted flesh.... there were millions of them.... there was no escape.



God Emperor: "NOW SUFFER AND DIE, ALL WHO OPPOSE MY RULE!!! I AM THE GREATEST MASTER OF MAGIC IN ALL OF EXISTENCE!!! NONE HAVE THE POWER TO OPPOSE MY ASCENSION TO THE THRONE OF ALL-GOD!!! TREMBLE BEFORE MY POWER!!!"



As the army of darkness closed in on the huddled survivors, several of the creatures summoned forth protective magic, encasing the group in a shimmering blue shield.



God Emperor: "YOU CANNOT STOP ME!!! I WILL SIMPLY DISPEL YOUR SHIELD, AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF YOU!!!"



The dark Necromancer snapped his fingers, and the massive shield collapsed, and the army of darkness advanced on the surviving evil creatures. God Emperor roared victoriously, and prepared to watch the rest suffer and die.



Suddenly, the clouds parted, and the one-winged angel appeared in the heavens.




https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/OneWingedAngel.png




Angelic One: "Reenkis Roinkis.... you miserable fool. You were captured again??? How many times has this happened to you?"


God Emperor: "They could never overpower ME. What are you talking about? I am preparing to annihilate them all, and become the sole master of the universe. Not even YOU can stand in my way."



Angelic One: "Is that so? You crave power, but you're not nearly clever enough to wield it. Not against a legendary SOLDIER such as myself. I am the savior. I am the hero."



God Emperor: "You're as stupid as these weaklings if you thought I would ever bow down before you, Sephiroth. Now you will experience the full power of my dark necromancy!!!"



As soon as God Emperor was finished speaking, Sephiroth raised his hand, and the vortex in the sky widened, and from the center of the vortex came a massive, hurtling METEOR. The object began to fall toward the city, threatening to destroy everything within it, including Reenkis Roinkis.



God Emperor: "You cannot destroy me. I'll just come back again, and again... we will meet again one day, 'hero', and when that day comes, I will make you suffer in a hell of your own design, just as you have done to me...."



Angelic One: "Leaving so soon? Don't you want to stay and feel my blade remove your head from your body? Don't you wish to feel pain and despair?"



God Emperor: "You wouldn't be nearly this arrogant without that machine. I will possess the machine.... even if I must die to possess it."



Angelic One: "I no longer need the machine. And I no longer need any of you. You've all proven to be quite dispensable. The time has come for all suffering to end... by my hands."



God Emperor: "I'd love to stay and chat, but death awaits you, and all who oppose me. I'll be back, I promise you this......"






With that, Reenkis Roinkis vanished, and his army of the undead vanished with him. The METEOR remained in the sky, falling toward the city. The Angel did nothing to stop it.







https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/meteor-1.png






______________________________




Summary of events:






God Emperor has been lynched!

God Emperor was Yeqon Lucifuge Caacrinolaas, of the Psychotic Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Yeqon.png

God Emperor was REENKIS ROINKIS, of SWORDS AND D20'S!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ReenkisRoinkis.png


God Emperor was CHAOTIC!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/20.png

10 of Diamonds











Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six


Alive Players- (17/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Earthling
Fluffyone
Greyblades
Link
Kagemusha
Psychonaut
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine




All items to Kagemusha.


BEGIN NIGHT NINE.



Tick tock.... tick tock.....

[Visor]

We're all gonna die. Again.

[a completely inoffensive name]

In before fluffy.

Language, please.

[Diamondeye]

You are now officially allowed to panic :beam:

[Kagemusha]

You are now officially allowed to panic :beam:

Im sooooo trembling! We still have one Chaotic to catch.Ohhhhthe horrorr!:scared:

[Diamondeye]

Im sooooo trembling! We still have one Chaotic to catch.Ohhhhthe horrorr!:scared:

One? I think the night writeup will tell something else.

Nevertheless. Your funeral :wink:

[naut]

Hey, ATPG:

https://img860.imageshack.us/img860/6967/escsm.png

[Kagemusha]

One? I think the night writeup will tell something else.

Nevertheless. Your funeral :wink:

Wouldnt be my first funerall. You just tell your buddy to sit tight.We are coming for him.:grin2:

[Diamondeye]

Hey, ATPG:

https://img860.imageshack.us/img860/6967/escsm.png

:daisy: you are awesome. I had to look twice.

[thefluffyone93]

EVERYONE BE JACKIN MAH STYLE RAWR.

[Romanic]

Okay, Reenkis Roinkis really does have black wings, as we can see on that picture in the last writeup. He was probably the black wings killer, meaning Chaotic was lying about the existence of a serial killer. Arpeg was one, and died on Night 2, so it's looking more likely that all the remaining killers are chaotic.

[Diamondeye]

Okay, Reenkis Roinkis really does have black wings, as we can see on that picture in the last writeup. He was probably the black wings killer

:beam:

[Earthling]

I actually doubt that. I specifically read through a lot of the game that was linked as the source of the character to check up on it and he was a pure magician/necromancer. No mention of a mace nor does it sound like he was a physical killer.

Though open for discussion. One thing to note is that if we believe he's the killer that means Greyblades is automatically lying, because he claimed to have roleblocked him and the black-wings killer still killed.

At worst we have two chaotics left though. And even if they can kill, we got at least a dozen evil-aligned to take them out, and hopefully any neutrals that are left are not siding with the chaotics.

What I think would be really, really helpful is if the Space Mafia living player would reveal himself. So look:

You definitely should not be chaotic, due to the rest of your faction, and we know it's one of you lurkers, so instead of continuing to lurk and winding up dead, you could remove yourself from any trouble.

Nobody is likely to kill you just for your faction either, because many folks are already full up on actions we'll need against the chaotics and couldn't waste the time and credits, and doubly importantly, now I don't know this firsthand but nobody's suggested otherwise, since Renata escaped alive the people who wanted to "eliminate the Space Mafia" can't even accomplish that so they have no motive to just kill you as an Innocent.

This meteor of course is going to burn up into a small rock no bigger than a chihuahua's head, so no worries there.

[Romanic]

Alright, either way we'll know tonight if Black Wings is still alive and killing.

Earthling, a roleblock doesn't stop all actions, unless it's a "block all actions", and I'm unsure what the mechanism is to decide which action will be blocked. Successfully blocking someone doesn't prove that he wasn't killing that night.

Remind me, what's the faction goal of the Python Mafia?

[Earthling]

It's what both Visorslash and Greyblades claimed their roleblock items do though, block all actions. Remember the deal with Autolycus and Visorslash?

The Pythons' factional enemies are Dark Falls and Bizarro. I know you Evil Mafia have Space and Cosa Nostra as enemies, Bizarros had us and Space Mafia, and Dark Falls had Bizarro and someone. As far as I know nobody's claimed what rivals the Springfield, South Park, Psychotic, Space, or Cosa Nostra teams have.

[Romanic]

It's what both Visorslash and Greyblades claimed their roleblock items do though, block all actions. Remember the deal with Autolycus and Visorslash?
Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all. Where is he claiming differently?

Edit: What deal between Auto and Visor??

[Romanic]

@ATPG

Last tally was:

209 God Emperor (Backwards Logic 15, Earthling 10, Visorslash 10, Psychonaut 15, Skooma Addict 15, Beefy 10, Winston 10, shlin 9, Arpeg 40, Kagemusha 10, Romanic 25, Yaseikhaan 10, acin 30)
10 Fluffy (Subotan 10)


Can you update it to include the bluffs, please?

[Earthling]

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.

edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.

[Romanic]

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.
Then Greyblades and Visorslash did not claim that their roleblock was a roleblock-all, you are drawing hasty conclusions on something that could be attributed to lack of knowledge (e,g, awareness that a roleblock doesn't block all actions).

And I don't mind Visorslash saying "Autolycus isn't scum". Trusting your judgment and having the courage to say it out loud, even if you don't have 100% proof, is a good thing. Feel free to attribute this behavior to PIS but I am not.


edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.
I don't think anyone was bluffing, but this information was given in the previous rounds and I'd like to have it again. :smile:

[Greyblades]

Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all. Where is he claiming differently?

Visorslash claimed he was absolutely sure Autolycus wasn't a killer because he roleblocked him once (He didn't explain this till after Autolycus died though, he just kept saying "Autolycus isn't scum and neither am I because of that") Both Greyblades and Visorslash implied the roleblock items they had work the same, and I really don't see why roleblock items would work differently, though I've never had one in my possession to verify what it does.

I've said this before though, Greyblades and Visorslash really don't seem like they are both regular townies each having a normal roleblock item. Their stories are inconsistent with each other even without all the arguments with Renata and vigilante-ing, and it doesn't fully make sense they would be anyway, with neither having ever really done anything else interesting at night.

edit - who do you think is bluffing anyway? Everyone has 10 credits income anyway and as far as I know the people like ACIN probably did have the credits they bet there.

That's nice... care to answer his first question?

[Earthling]

Hrm, Greyblades claimed to me privately that he didn't know if it was a roleblock-all.

Considering this seems against the rules anyway, he couldn't have gone and told someone about an item in private first, it's not even worth addressing if this is all I'm supposed to answer to. Greyblades or Visorslash need to decide what they want to claim in public and say so. Again, we can all read that Visorslash claimed his roleblock was a block-all because it proved to him that Autolycus isn't a killer. I think an explanation of how Greyblades' roleblock item is somehow different is in order or if either of them want to clarify they should do so. For the record I doubt Visorslash is a chaotic now anyway, I've said that before though he may be neutral and nobody really cares about him or his faction right now. And also for the record I don't think God Emperor was the black-wings killer anyway so it wouldn't matter if Greyblades actually roleblocked him or not regarding last night's kills.

[Greyblades]

And again, answer the question.
Where is he claiming differently?

[Romanic]

Considering this seems against the rules anyway, he couldn't have gone and told someone about an item in private first, it's not even worth addressing if this is all I'm supposed to answer to. Greyblades or Visorslash need to decide what they want to claim in public and say so. Again, we can all read that Visorslash claimed his roleblock was a block-all because it proved to him that Autolycus isn't a killer. I think an explanation of how Greyblades' roleblock item is somehow different is in order or if either of them want to clarify they should do so. For the record I doubt Visorslash is a chaotic now anyway, I've said that before though he may be neutral and nobody really cares about him or his faction right now. And also for the record I don't think God Emperor was the black-wings killer anyway so it wouldn't matter if Greyblades actually roleblocked him or not regarding last night's kills.

Already answered the bold part but let me do it again: If someone believes his roleblock is enough to innocent someone from being a killer, it only shows a misinterpretation of the rules (roleblock-all vs roleblock). It's not scummy.

Saying that Visor claimed his roleblock was a block-all isn't right. He didn't claim that.

[Diamondeye]

I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

[Jolt]

EVERYONE BE JACKIN MAH STYLE RAWR.

http://toomuchhappiness.com/photos/BroolStoryCo550.jpg

[Visor]

I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

I got a better idea.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.

Seconded.

[thefluffyone93]

Okay, we might be going just a teensy bit far with the meme stuff.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/arnold.png?t=1306628742

[Earthling]

If someone believes his roleblock is enough to innocent someone from being a killer, it only shows a misinterpretation of the rules (roleblock-all vs roleblock). It's not scummy.

I don't know why you are having trouble with this because nobody is saying it. I'm not saying Visorslash is scummy because of this, I didn't say Visorslash was scummy at all in this conversation, as in fact as metioned before I don't think Visorslash is a chaotic now with what we know about his faction as myself and others have said again. Are you claiming to be speaking for Visorslash here after all or what? Nobody is questioning whether Visorslash roleblocked Autolycus or whether that matters. What I am saying is that there's got to be one clear answer one way or another how roleblock items work and nobody with a minor roleblock item should experience it having significantly different effects from others without an explanation.

[Visor]

So now you're saying I'm not scum?

[Crazed Rabbit]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

[Romanic]

I don't know why you are having trouble with this because nobody is saying it. I'm not saying Visorslash is scummy because of this, I didn't say Visorslash was scummy at all in this conversation, as in fact as metioned before I don't think Visorslash is a chaotic now with what we know about his faction as myself and others have said again. Are you claiming to be speaking for Visorslash here after all or what? Nobody is questioning whether Visorslash roleblocked Autolycus or whether that matters. What I am saying is that there's got to be one clear answer one way or another how roleblock items work and nobody with a minor roleblock item should experience it having significantly different effects from others without an explanation.

:laugh4:

Why are you yappin' and yappin' about Visorslash if you don't think he's chaotic?

Why am I even arguing with you when I should know better? You're such a distraction.

[Romanic]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

You're right. Seon had a conversion item, to recruit a player into the chaotic team, but Renata stole it early in the game. :smug2:

Now the question is: Is there another conversion mechanism?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG

Last tally was:

209 God Emperor (Backwards Logic 15, Earthling 10, Visorslash 10, Psychonaut 15, Skooma Addict 15, Beefy 10, Winston 10, shlin 9, Arpeg 40, Kagemusha 10, Romanic 25, Yaseikhaan 10, acin 30)
10 Fluffy (Subotan 10)

Can you update it to include the bluffs, please?

No one bluffed over their actual amount this time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

I've been sloppier than my usual hosting this game, but I can confirm that there isn't anything breaking about the game presently. Everyone can die, anyone can lose. As for who is trustworthy, that I can't comment on. ;)

[Earthling]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.


No, I don't think so on the revived townies being a threat for becoming chaotics, not going to happen, as pointed out there was conversion that seems to be gone now too. You might also recall that some townies were actually declared un-revivable because presumably the overwhelming skill and talent of them and their allies would have been too great to give the scum no chance. But we work with what we've got.

Roman, the only reason Visorslash was brought up at all, was because of you forgetting his claim about roleblocking Autolycus. It's only a mention of how roleblock items supposedly work, I do believe that Visorslash did roleblock Autolycus whatever else the case is about him. It's not Visorslash that mattered, and in fact since you haven't come down on a position at all regarding Reenkis Roinkis I'm not sure what matters to you either. If you believe that God Emperor was a nightkiller and somebody else claimed to roleblock him, that's the problem that was pointed out, but I don't think he was the black-wings killer anyway, to be clear on that.

[Kagemusha]

It occurs to me that resurrecting a townie person and giving them all sorts of items to make them nigh-on invincible might be game breaking (a la Kagemusha).

ATPG is a very good host, which makes me think he wouldn't do something that could lead to a game breaking situation. Which means Kage is killable or there's the potential he won't always be townie after resurrection.

CR

It is not impossible to kill me, just rather hard. Nothing is impossible.:wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Summary and Information Thread's Table of Contents (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134907-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-Summary-and-Information-Thread&p=2053299390&viewfull=1#post2053299390) has been fully updated.

The Game Events list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053296198&viewfull=1#post2053296198) has been fully updated.

[Diamondeye]

:laugh4:

Why are you yappin' and yappin' about Visorslash if you don't think he's chaotic?

Why am I even arguing with you when I should know better? You're such a distraction.


I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

Romanic, obey! :stare:

[Visor]

86 pages.

How much you wanna bet on the town winning Diamondeye? They seem to be doing pretty well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Renata, the townie, has already won. :P

[Visor]

Okay then. How much are you willing to bet that us mad bastards will beat you even more mad bastards?

[Seon]

:laugh:

[Chaotix]

Dude, you guys don't realize it, but we already won, and now we're just playing around to see how long it takes for you to figure it out.

See, we Chaotics were all really Townies in disguise, so when Renata won, we got our victory. She just left us behind and said, "Do me a favor, kill the rest of them."

It's pretty cool. That's why we keep letting you catch us. It's all just a big joke.

[thefluffyone93]

Oh, by the way, I won't be able to get to a computer for an entire week starting on Tuesday.
I be heading down to New Orleans, eating jambalaya and craw-fish, all while developing a severe case of skin cancer.
W00t.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gentlemen.

Sorry for the delay, the .org was down. Now it is back up. I shall begin....

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT NINE




Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Sephiroth!
Sephiroth!

Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Sephiroth!
Sephiroth!

Sors immanis-
Et inanis.
Sors immanis-
Et inanis.
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi.
Sephiroth!
Sephiroth!

Veni, veni, venias,
Ne me mori facias.
Veni, veni, venias,
Ne me mori facias.
Veni, veni, venias,
Ne me mori facias.
Veni, veni, venias,
Ne me mori facias.

Gloriosa Generosa...
Gloriosa Generosa...
Gloriosa Generosa...
Gloriosa Generosa...

SEPHIROTH!

-- Nobuo Uematsu






https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/hell.jpg








Link was sitting in his mansion, enjoying a fine glass of Cold Duck, when a terrifying figure burst through the window, and proceeded to tear the old man limb from limb.

There was nothing left of Mister Burns....





______________________________





shlin28 was keeping a watchful eye out for danger, and sure enough, danger approached. It was none other than the green-eyed angel with one wing.

The Angel towered over shlin28, and drew a long, shimmering blade. shlin28 tried to hide inside his shell, but the blade cleaved the tiny one in half.





______________________________





Subotan was sitting in a taxi. It was no ordinary taxi... it was in the possession of the Cosa Nostra. Subotan was no ordinary cab driver... he was a ruthless, dangerous criminal. He was the leader of the Valerio Family.


Suddenly, a powerful figure approached, and summoned demonic creatures.... evil, evil creatures with glowing red eyes and sharp teeth. The creatures surrounded the cab, and chewed through the glass windows.


When they were done ripping Subotan to shreds, there was nothing left of him.




______________________________






Skooma Addict was running as fast as his little legs could carry him, being chased by a chainsaw-wielding maniac in a mask.


From the other side, his passage was blocked by another strange figure.


Skooma Addict tried to get away, but even his cuteness wouldn't save him this time. The chainsaw buzzed through his body, tossing his fur in every direction. As if that weren't bad enough, the remains were smashed into bits by the other figure.


And the cute little bunny was no more.






______________________________




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TheFluffyOne listened to the awesome song.






Love your neighbor; sleep with his wife
Grab a pencil; show yourself a magic trick
It's terrible to be alive
If you drink bleach you'll live forever
Go to jail and make new friends
If you eat nails you'll die a winner

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ADSee.png


Advice Dog
You found God
For better
You'll live forever if you
Kill God
Be a Good dog
Your power
Will let you die a winner


https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ADprofits.png

Play warcraft and die alone
Eat 20 big macs; don't work out
Move to Florida; drill for oil
You should totally; a coca cola bottle
Gasoline tastes like happiness
Trust Al Gore and Drive a Hybrid


https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ADPaint.png


It's terrible to be alive
If you drink bleach you'll live forever
Go to jail and make new friends
If you eat nails you'll die a winner


https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ADhai.png

Live forever
Die a Winner
Live forever.
Die a winner.
Live Forever.
Die a winner.



A challenger approaches!


Advice Dog says it's time to Die A Winner.


But first you must follow Advice Dog's advice.


Avoid being disemboweled by twin blades.


Try not to get mauled by vampires.


You should totally a medieval spiked mace.


Try not to die, it hurts a lot.


Even if you fail, you're still a winner.


Advice Dog, you're a good dog. But you got killed by a vampire.


With black wings.


You died a winner. Now live forever.




https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Final-Advice-Dog.png
Advice Dog's final form.



ADVICE DOG HAS SPOKEN












______________________________




Summary of events:






Link has been murdered!

Link was Monty Burns, of the Springfield Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/MrBurns.png

Link was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/6.png

King of Spades






shlin28 has been murdered!

shlin28 was Boomerang Brother, of the Evil Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Boomer.png

shlin28 was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/32.png

7 of Diamonds







Subotan has been murdered!

Subotan was Anthony Valerio, of the Cosa Nostra Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Tony.png

Subotan was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/21.png

9 of Clubs






Skooma Addict has been murdered!

Skooma Addict was Fluffy Bunny, of the Bizarro Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/FluffyBunny.png

Skooma Addict was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/43.png

4 of Hearts







TheFluffyOne93 has been murdered!

TheFluffyOne93 was Advice Dog, of the Bizarro Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Final-Advice-Dog.png

TheFluffyOne93 was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/39.png

5 of Hearts














Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six


Alive Players- (12/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
Psychonaut
Romanic
Visorslash
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine
Link- Monty Burns [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) King of Spades
shlin28- Boomerang Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Diamonds
Subotan- Anthony Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 9 of Clubs
Skooma Addict- Fluffy Bunny [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia!?! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122738-SPEED-MAFIA%21-%21)) 4 of Hearts
TheFluffyOne93- Advice Dog [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119574-SPEED-MAFIA%21)) 5 of Hearts
-------------Night Nine







Vote now on the following items:



FACTION SCANNING + 10% investigatory (EXTRA-THICK GLASSES)
10% bulletproof chance. (Gorilla Vest, made of real gorilla chest)
40% bus driver chance. (transporter pad)
10% roleblock chance. (Cute little bunny, causes someone to awwwww instead of their intended action).
10% roleblock chance. (Cement shoes, can be used to stop someone from acting)
10% roleblock chance. (Torn shirt, allows you to engage in an uneccessary and cheesy brawl with someone, possibly preventing them from taking any action)




BEGIN DAY TEN.




The Cosa Nostra have been eliminated!
The Bizarro Mafia have been eliminated!


Max wager for this round is 100 credits.

[Visor]

Fluffy? Fluffy? FLUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vote: All roleblock and bulletproof items to Visorslash.

I got a roleblock bonus. Let's finish this thing.

Bet 5 credits on Psychonaut

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Bet 40 credits: Beefy

[Kagemusha]

:quiet:

[Earthling]

Wow. Firstly I have to say that was an amazing writeup, my favorite so far. Partly it's the suspense and shocking events and revelations at this point of the game, but it was a really good writeup regardless. From the music to the change of pace, with everything being shorter than previous writeups, and humor at the end, really great.h

Moving on though, obviously some things went wrong for the Innocents last night. I'd like to know who some of these vigilantes are if they were vigilantes, particularly the "rip people apart guy" who keeps on killing inactives, is this person not coordinating at all with BL or anyone? I might guess Subotan was somehow struck down by the chaotics because the kill method isn't familiar and Reenkis Roinkis or something like that could have gotten an extra kill in via some special power, but also curious there.

Also, it's absolutely unexcusable that we don't have everyone's faction known right now. Anyone who is Innocent and hasn't revealed your faction and its rivals/goal must do so right now. I'd say we kinda want to know everybody's role in public too but it's really only the same unknown people whose roles we don't know either.

I refuse to believe that any faction has 7 players in some way. Something is very wrong with the math though, in particular between ACIN, Greyblades, and Psychonaut it's impossible (taking into account the above) for them to be anything more than one remaining player on 2 factions. But that's three players. Cover roles and scum abound.

So

Bet: 100 Credits on ACIN

Need a full role reveal. Nothing particularly personal. If you reveal that you're the last remaining member of the Space mafia and no one contradicts that claim it's likely you are not chaotic as I've said before, the remaining Space Mafia shouldn't be a chaotic, and I move onto Greyblades or Psychonaut. I'm starting here because I doubt you are Space given your views on Renata before and because someone like fluffy could have lied and you have another faction's cover role you are working with. But I haven't heard scan info or similar stuff from others yet either so we'll see.

[Diamondeye]

I think I can live (or, you know...) with the Cosa Nostra dying out if the nights are going to be like this... :beam:

Also - I think I saw a mention of a Black-winged killer in that update. Wonder who that is :curtain:

[Kagemusha]

:wall::no::bulb::stars::quiet:

[Seon]

I know who Black Wing is. If you revive me, I will tell you.

[thefluffyone93]

Fluffy? Fluffy? FLUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its ok.....
I still got a kick-ass song.
AND MEMES.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/jesus.png?t=1306774042

edit: scratch the revive, as I stated before I was leaving for a week.
Was that the reason I was killed off now?

[Chaotix]

BET: 100 CREDITS ON ROMANIC

I GOT A GUILTY SCAN RESULT ON HIM. EVERYBODY VOTE ROMANIC!

[Seon]

Hey mafia! Since you guys are all so quiet now, can we dead people run the show? It's getting boring here, you know, crushed under this fell beast. If you could revive either me or ByzKnight, that would be appreciated.

[Kagemusha]

Hey mafia! Since you guys are all so quiet now, can we dead people run the show? It's getting boring here, you know, crushed under this fell beast. If you could revive either me or ByzKnight, that would be appreciated.

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I bet by now it's really stinky underneath that carcass.

[Diamondeye]

:wall::no::bulb::stars::quiet:

What with the who now? :smug:

[Kagemusha]

What with the who now? :smug:

:furious3::skull::smash::whip::bomb2::stop::rifle:

[shlin28]

And now for something completely different...


Regarding Yaseikhaan - the thing is in what you quoted he had just joined as a replacement, mythmonster struck me as strongly Innocent and Renata stole that character's item proving he did have a vigilante item. mythmonster obviously was antagonistic with Renata; Yaseikhaan might not have had all the private communications or same thoughts mythmonster had and ended up changing his mind. I can't take that alone as good evidence of scumminess. What I do question is why there were two vigilantes (both him and Beefy) on the Psychotic Mafia and while mythmonster refused to it would be nice if Yaseikhaan talked a little bit more about his role or faction.

This is an Earthling post from ages ago, suggesting that Khaan is a Psychotic. If Backwards Logic (or someone who knows the implications of this) could comment on this it would be great :yes:

If only I am not dead.. :furious3:

EDIT : Actually, this could just be a big mistake on my part :sweatdrop: But I'll leave the post here in the off-chance that I didn't misread something.

[Earthling]

mythmonster, who Yaseikhaan replaced but that have to have the same character role, openly stated multiple times he's Psychotic Mafia. We all know about Beefy as well, his character was revealed in thread by Diamondeye to start. Winston mentioned in passing that he is Psychotic and no one has contradicted that so I'm assuming it's true, and together they would all be the remaining Psychotic Mafia (and we already caught a chaotic and a neutral in that faction). If anyone could use elaboration, that we don't really know about, it's Winston (who replaced GamezRule) but I don't know what you're getting at.

[shlin28]

Yeah.... I thought I figured out something brilliant, but it was just me misinterpreting something :sweatdrop: I guess it is true that you shouldn't listen to dead people...

[Romanic]

BET: 100 CREDITS ON ROMANIC

I GOT A GUILTY SCAN RESULT ON HIM. EVERYBODY VOTE ROMANIC!

:laugh4:

I had a hesitation when I saw your post, until I realized that you were dead. :grin:

[Romanic]

Abput the last night kills:

Black Wings (he's probably a serial killer) killed Fluffy.
Sephiroth (chaotic) killed shlin.
Romanic killed Subotan.
Beefy killed Skooma.

And I'm not entirely sure who killed Link, but it could have been Skooma.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Abput the last night kills:

Black Wings (he's probably a serial killer) killed Fluffy.
Sephiroth (chaotic) killed shlin.
Romanic killed Subotan.
Beefy killed Skooma.

And I'm not entirely sure who killed Link, but it could have been Skooma.

Why'd you kill Subo? It was highly likely that he was town.

Fold

[Romanic]

Why'd you kill Subo? It was highly likely that he was town.

Fold
This was a 10% attack, performed with my starting item, the Kobe Rats, that I needed to succeed to complete my PG (under the current point system it's not enough to win, we need to get another point somewhere so I decided to try completing my PG).

Why Subotan? Three of my main suspects were scanned or attacked, Subotan was kinda 4th, and I disagree with your assessment that he was "highly likely to be Town".

[Romanic]

Main suspect to be the serial killer is acin.

1) Chaotix said that the Black Wings killer isn't part of their team, and that he's likely a serial killer, I'm tempted to believe him because....

2) Black Wings never attacked another Evil Mafia member. If BW and Sephiroth were working together, why was I attacked three times with Sephiroth and never by BW? Plus, now shlin has been killed by Sephiroth. They really don't seems to be working together.

Attacks by Black Wings so far:

N2 Killed Csargo (South Park Mafia)
N3: Killed choxorn (Psychotic Mafia)
N4: Failed to kill a woman (???)
N5: Killed B_Ray2 (South Park Mafia)
N6: Death is yonder (Space Mafia)
N7: landlubber (Cosa Nostra Mafia)
N8: Failed to kill Kagemusha (Springfield Mafia)
N9: Killed Fluffy (Bizarro Mafia)

See? No Evil Mafia were attacked. Why? Because he's also Evil Mafia and doesn't want to hit his own, to keep his Faction Goal alive.

Remaining Evil mafia are: acin, BL and Romanic. We know BL is clean, and I know about myself. Acin is very suspicious here.

Also, I had acin as Town/Evil because of his vote for Diamondeye, turning the tide in Renata's favour. He couldn't be Chaotic, but he certainly can be a serial killer.

After Kage's survived Black Wings' attack on Night 8, acin made this post:



Ummm can I just make an observation here?

Since Kage, Romanic and BL seem to be immune to any sort of chaotic attack, is the game pretty much over? All we need is for those three to survive and just kill off everyone else. Guaranteed win.
:laugh4:
He's almost complaining here!

And earlier in the game he made this post:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Retaliation is screwing up everyone from chaotic faction to serial killers. By the 5th night, there is only going to be like 2 mafia dudes left afraid to do anything out of fear of retaliation.
Complaining again!!? I can see why a serial killer is concerned by retaliation attacks. :smug2:

And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?


So, ACIN just flipped out at me in private and starting dropping f-bombs. He is really, really upset about being accused, just as he has been since I first bet on him (look it up).
Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.

[Romanic]

Main suspect to be the (remaining?) chaotic is Psychonaut.

Mostly because most other players have alibis not to be chaotic and Psychonaut doesn't.

Also this post:

This is the most confusing paragraph I have ever read. But, I like your style:

Bet: 31 credits on Chaotix

Vote: Magnum to Romanic
Vote: all other items to Kagemusha
Is wow suspicious.When everybody is ignoring my request to get the magnum, Psychonaut is the only one to vote it to me. Everyone else prefers to give it to Kage, who just has been revived. Why is Psychonaut acting different? Perhaps because he knows that I'm not chaotic, being one himself, thus he really sees me innocent, unlike others who are paranoid about me (such as Kage :smug2:).

Also his voting record is nothing impressive:

D1: no vote
D2: acin 4
D3: acin 5
D4: Major Robert Dump 5
D5: Earthling 39
D6: abstain
D7: Diamondeye 22 (after DE was revived)
D8: Chaotix 31 (after Chaotix was scanned chaotic by BL)
D9: God Emperor 15 (after GE was scanned chaotic by BL).

So D7, D8 & D9 were all mandatory, there's nothing to analyze here. Someone not voting for a known chaotic would look suspicious.

Day 6 was between Renata, Greyblades and later Diamondeye. Psychonaut voted Greyblades, then abstained, not wanting to choose between Diamondeye and Renata. He could be chaotic, for not voting Diamondeye.

All votes speaks of wanting to keep his credits (typically scum in this game) except the 39 credits on Earthling, which could be explained by wanting to get rid of a dangerous player, one who was known to survive two night attacks at that time.

[Romanic]

So I suggest we lynch acin or Psychonaut, but since Earthling is already pushing 100 on acin, it could be useless to be voting Psychonaut at this point.

bet: 10 credits on acin

Also, if the player who killed Link is still alive, I'd like to hear from him, publicly or privately. Alternatively you can speak with Kage, if you don't trust me.

[Diamondeye]

Black Wings (he's probably a serial killer) killed Fluffy.

:laugh4:

[Choxorn]

Hey Roman, y u no revive people?

[Romanic]

*slaps Diamondeye*

Edit:


Hey Roman, y u no revive people?
Hey I tried reviving Bow-wow-wow last night, but it failed (learned reviver ability is only 40%).

I tried to revive on
N4 - Purchased revive action on Backwards Logic - Success (and learned revive at 40%)
N5 - Failed to revive ByzantineKnight (40%)
N6 - Failed to revive Ironside (40%)
N7 - Revived Kagemusha (40%)
N8 - Didn't try to revive (was stealing & self protecting)
N9 - Failed to revive Bow-wow-wow (40%)

With these odds, 2/5 isn't such a bad result. I have an expectation of 2.40 revivals at this point. The next one should be coming soon.

[Beefy187]

Bet 10 credit: ACIN

Romanics logiks seems to be logical.
I follow.

[Earthling]

I know the discussion that Black Wings was a serial killer has been mentioned before and I do agree attacks on some random townies who would not have been major targets for the chaotics (like the recent landlubber and fluffy) seem to add up. Though his attack on Kage seemed very scummy, back to Fluffy last night is interesting, assumedly just for an easy target to kill. He also never hit any chaotics or really any neutrals which is kinda suspicious. However, there's also the strong correlation as some folks already pointed out that Black Wings seems to be an allied character from the same prior mafia game as Seon (Screwtape/general Vampire theme in that game) which really sounds like two chaotics.

I agree with the reveal that ACIN is Evil Mafia he sounds like a strong candidate for Black Wings regardless, whether serial killer or chaotic. (and actually I think I read something wrong. Fluffy revealed that ACIN was Evil Mafia yesterday, but didn't capitalize it and I thought fluffy claimed he scanned him as "evil-aligned" which didn't even make sense with every other faction scan item and I thought fluffy was lying about that scan, think I said that above).

My bet could go lower by the way but without absolute confirmation on Sephiroth it's a risk to switch entirely, I personally wouldn't go Psychonaut today on a less-substantiated guess because it's still a guess between him and Greyblades at the least. And I'd like to hear from some folks like Kage/Winston/Beefy outside of the Evil mafia faction what they think.

So if anyone knows: who was scanned by BL? Any still living suspects now in the clear for not being cover roles? And who is the remaining Space Mafia between Psychonaut and Greyblades? Again, very willing to let the Space Mafioso go if their story checks out and the faction of the other one is probably going to be extremely suspicious otherwise, either they won't have a role to claim because it's obviously a cover role or something like the seventh member of some faction is equally wrong.

Also just a general comment because it's kinda disappointing to not hear about potential vig-kills in advance. (For the record I attacked Skooma too with purchased credits, as everyone will see another character in the writeup, didn't know Beefy was even doing the same). I would say it's more like Subotan was killed to eliminate the Cosa Nostra it seems though it's understandable people will take factional concerns into account. As has been said, I still don't know if it's even possible for anyone, whoever needs to, to eliminate the Space Mafia due to Renata, and I'd like to hear everyone's general thoughts if people agree the remaining Spacer is likely town or not. It's not that I particularly care if the Space Mafia is wiped out but we're getting low on townies anyway. Of course, if both Greyblades and Psychonaut refuse to reveal I've got nothing against taking them both out if we can, as we should stand a chance of catching one scum, just if one of them is confirmed on who they are and what they do.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Woah, woah, woah. We are gonna now suddenly start trusting Earthling's wall of texts now? LOL This is the same guy who lead us down the MRD path? The same guy who was somehow immune to a lynch? And since the chaotics have cover roles, wouldn't he be protected from being exposed his first lynch? Earthling has had much more of a record of disrupting the town than I have. And from what I can see in the summary thread, Earthling has never even been attacked once. I have a record of non-scummy actions. I tipped the tide in favor of DE being lynched when Beskar and Kage kept screaming for Renata's head. I kept saying to look at the lurkers and lo and behold, GE, DE and Chaotix were all semi lurking. From searching the thread GE has only 27 posts, Chaotix has 60 posts and DE has 78 posts. Which looking back makes it seem kind of obvious they were posting just enough to skate by. I told Renata that if her lynch on Greyblades fails that I wasn't going to trust her anymore and was planning on siding full on with Beskar and Kage in demanding her head.

I have been in contact with BL, Kage and Romanic and have given them updates on what I have been doing. Earthling tried to round up a bunch of people through PM to help him out and make his own little group going. I have been scanned by two people, first fluffy and if I remember correctly BL scanned me as well. BL's scans I would think should be the most powerful in the game and I was cleared.

I don't understand Romanic betting on me just because Earthling decided to place everything he has on me all of a sudden. That sounds like typical Earthling, charging in with everything when he thinks he is right. He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.

I find it funny (literally I do, because I told myself not to take this game too seriously after night 2 or whatever it was) that I told Kage about how I was suspicious of Earthling and Kage replied that he also indeed has suspicions of Earthling and now Kage is silenced. It just seems so odd how someone could be so incompetent, yet so stubborn, have the ability to survive a lynch, be ignored and suddenly come out in the end game with a full on max bet on someone. To me that screams attempted bandwagon.

And let me be clear I don't think you are chaotic. I am not trying to turn the tables on you Earthling, I just want you to know that at this point, to assume that you are as innocent as the blue sky is foolish imo.

Basically I have been in the public spotlight before and I am 99% sure that Romanic, BL and Kage have already looked me over many times and scanned me, and I have come out of it as strong evil townie/person throughout this whole game. I have been consistent. You act as if no body has any idea about who I am when I am pretty sure all the info has come up for fluffy and BL when they scanned me.

So suffice it to say, I do believe you are wrong. Just like you have been this entire game. lol.

[Greyblades]

Romanic's for Acin's death, earthling's for it aswell, which is as good as a vote against it as far as I'm concerned, so I'm confliceted. Any thoughts from the other confirmed townies on whether we should do this?

Woah, woah, woah. We are gonna now suddenly start trusting Earthling's wall of texts now? LOL This is the same guy who lead us down the MRD path? The same guy who was somehow immune to a lynch?
Tell me about it...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Main suspect to be the serial killer is acin.
Alright let us see why.



1) Chaotix said that the Black Wings killer isn't part of their team, and that he's likely a serial killer, I'm tempted to believe him because....

2) Black Wings never attacked another Evil Mafia member. If BW and Sephiroth were working together, why was I attacked three times with Sephiroth and never by BW? Plus, now shlin has been killed by Sephiroth. They really don't seems to be working together.

Attacks by Black Wings so far:

N2 Killed Csargo (South Park Mafia)
N3: Killed choxorn (Psychotic Mafia)
N4: Failed to kill a woman (???)
N5: Killed B_Ray2 (South Park Mafia)
N6: Death is yonder (Space Mafia)
N7: landlubber (Cosa Nostra Mafia)
N8: Failed to kill Kagemusha (Springfield Mafia)
N9: Killed Fluffy (Bizarro Mafia)

See? No Evil Mafia were attacked. Why? Because he's also Evil Mafia and doesn't want to hit his own, to keep his Faction Goal alive.

Remaining Evil mafia are: acin, BL and Romanic. We know BL is clean, and I know about myself. Acin is very suspicious here.

Also, I had acin as Town/Evil because of his vote for Diamondeye, turning the tide in Renata's favour. He couldn't be Chaotic, but he certainly can be a serial killer.

I can see where you could see that. But I think I have found something out.



After Kage's survived Black Wings' attack on Night 8, acin made this post:
:laugh4:
He's almost complaining here!

Lol, is it wrong to complain about a game seeming to be broken? Where is the fun in finding the chaotics if the items allow for the evil's to automatically win?



And earlier in the game he made this post:

Complaining again!!? I can see why a serial killer is concerned by retaliation attacks. :smug2:

Ummm, that is not complaining Romanic. Your very next argument is me *legit* complaining. This is me finding humor in what was going to be a very crazy game.



And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?

I do. Funny how Renata turned out to be town and GE turned out to be chaotic. And my real life frustration turned into a convenient scape goat for them. I have already posted my theory about how I think Renata and the chaotics have worked together. And now you have accusations from Renata and a chaotic as evidence against me? Cool beans.



Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.
I agree. But here is where I think you are mistaken.

We all over looked Seon. What is the description of the "serial killer"? Black wings? Swords? What was Seon's character taken from? The Shadow Fort, which if I remember correctly was about vampires which matched that exact same description. What else? After looking through the Shadow Fort, Seon's character survived death.

Seon is a vampire with an ability to kill from the "dead", go look through the Shadow Fort right now and tell me that all of those write ups from the Black Wings character doesn't look like a vampire murdering people. I would very much expect ATPG to throw that in there to mess with everyone.


EDIT: Forgot to wrap up why this means I am innocent. If Seon is indeed the "serial killer" it means there really is no serial killer, just a chaotic with an ability to attack from the dead. This means that the whole not killing evil faction members can be thrown out the window because it is either
A) Not important because Seon is a proven chaotic and leaving evil faction alive is not part of his goals.
or
B) Deliberately attempting to portray me in a negative light. If I am right, than the chaotics knew no one was going to guess that Seon could still kill from the dead except for Crazed Rabbit and he just lurked this game. So because I have been guessing right about the chaotics, they have been setting me up for a fall, to give themselves one more day to kill because they knew I would look bad compared to Romanic and BL as the only evil faction members.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Also, one last point that I just realized.

If I was a serial killer, I would have been exposed the moment Fluffy or BL scanned me. The last chaotic may be escaping scans because he may be super powerful like that, which I think is typical of "godfather" roles in mafia. But BL was able to uncover both Chaotix and God Emperor, which means anyone not the godfather (AKA Sephiroph) is able to be exposed by BL. Romanic agrees that I am not the last chaotic and since I have been scanned, that should be proof already that I am not some serial killer because I would have been exposed a looooong time ago.

As I said right above, the serial killer is imo Seon who has an ability from The Shadow Fort of surviving death and killing as a vampire.

[Earthling]

Looks like almost everything in post 2591 is a blatant lie, and it's extremely obvious to anyone who bothered to read to confirm most of that. Though if BL did scan you with his upgraded scan he'll presumably post that, several other things you lied about for no reason. Just the right response from a scum though.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like almost everything in post 2591 is a blatant lie, and it's extremely obvious to anyone who bothered to read to confirm most of that. Though if BL did scan you with his upgraded scan he'll presumably post that, several other things you lied about for no reason. Just the right response from a scum though.

Lol, you have no proof of anything. Just stubborn as always.

I would ask you what is lie and why is it a lie, but Jolt has already played this game with you and you never provide any answers.

[Earthling]

You are lying about what people said in the past page, or less than 10 posts, of the actual game thread. And really, your argument is that the only alternative to being guilty is Seon is killing from the dead? You find nobody else suspicious enough that you'd think it was Greyblades or Psychonaut or something? And you really think that Seon was setting you up by carefully choosing kills to "frame" you and you alone since the beginning of the game, all of his kills, and he knew who he was killing all as a frame.

[Seon]

Oh, but ACIN is telling the truth. It is indeed I who have been killing you all in your sleep after I died. Good job ACIN. Now why don't you townies just try and lynch me now, eh?

[a completely inoffensive name]

You are lying about what people said in the past page, or less than 10 posts, of the actual game thread.
Where have I lied? Tell me now or you got nothing.



And really, your argument is that the only alternative to being guilty is Seon is killing from the dead? You find nobody else suspicious enough that you'd think it was Greyblades or Psychonaut or something? And you really think that Seon was setting you up by carefully choosing kills to "frame" you and you alone since the beginning of the game, all of his kills, and he knew who he was killing all as a frame.

I think Pyscho is the last chaotic. I think the serial killer is Seon. Of course others have my suspicions. But I have been looking at the chaotics characters over the weekend and I think it is odd that we have killed 4 chaotics and have two killers even though we have already have a dead serial killer. Why would there be two serial killers? Seon's character survived being killed in The Shadow War and that is grounds for suspicion.

And in case you didn't read, I said it is equally possible it wasn't a set up, Seon would just be killing people under Chaotic orders and the only evil people left are the people they can't kill and me.

[Chaotix]

Seon, stop messing with their heads. :laugh4:

Actually, I do know who your serial killer is. If you guys were to revive me I might just tell you who it is...

[Backwards Logic]

Couple things, most importantly:

1) I never super-scanned ACIN. Never told him that, never told anyone else that either. My scans, up until last night, have all nailed Chaotics.
2) As for last night, I will not reveal who I found Evil and Evil alone. I'm not about to paint a target on their back. Therefore, all vigilantes MUST go through me or Kage to determine their target.
As for the case on ACIN:
3) On one hand, I'm not convinced on the case on him, as I've seen his actions in a writeup while the Black Wings killer and Green Eyed Killer have attacked as well.
4) On the other, the Evil Faction has long been been known by me, and I find it odd we've found no one neutral or Chaotic in a Faction of six. Very odd. ACIN is the last relative unknown at this point.

I'm not going to give the green light on killing ACIN yet, as 1) I'm not convinced of the case and 2) If I do, discussion grinds to a halt and we twiddle our thumbs until ATPG posts an update. Given the Black Wings killer didn't appear until after Seon's death, I can partially buy this theory that Seon is a dead Chaotic who can still kill. Partially, as it's a bit outlandish. I figure finding the (last?) remaining Chaotic will end the game anyway. Still though, it's not like we can really confirm his theory - we can't 'kill' the dude again, as he's like, you know, dead and all. If he were scum and looking for a scapegoat to save his skin, I think he'd pick someone we could lynch instead of him. We have a day left, so I plan to use it.

EDIT: And I do want a full reveal out of Psychonaut before the day ends. I know your faction already: I want the rest of your details.

[a completely inoffensive name]

So super scan me tonight. If I turn up evil then I can't be a serial killer.

And as for Seon not being able to be killed. Ask Crazed Rabbit how vampires were killed in The Shadow Fort.

EDIT: Could it possibly be that in a game where the town are all EVIL that the EVIL faction might be the only faction where everyone is loyal to the town?

[Jolt]

One question. Who of the living guys is Resident Evil Mafia that we know of?

[Askthepizzaguy]

One question. Who of the living guys is Resident Evil Mafia?

None, as that faction has been eliminated.

[Earthling]

Where have I lied? Tell me now or you got nothing.

You lied directly about what I and others said on the game thread in the last page. Because I did not bring up at any point, as any part of a case, anything about your outburst against Zack before.

You also lied about being scanned by Backwards Logic, and lied about how people have been coordinating night actions. You are the one who seems to have not told BL and Kage almost anything and been out of the loop, because they can verify for instance I've told them what I've done every night for a long time, and you were needlessly lying about me.

That's not to start on the ridiculous theory Seon is killing from the dead. Which could be said not to be a lie exactly to a hypothetical Innocent (though I'm pretty sure as a scum you would know for sure it isn't true, so is also a lie) but just a terrible theory. Completely nullifies retaliation, nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it. Because it certainly wasn't expected Seon would randomly die at the start and if luck would have had him around later in the game such an ability would be ridiculous for the town to go up against.

[Earthling]

Actually Backwards Logic, again I'd like to say I would go on Psychonaut, or Greyblades, with an actual case that's at least comparable to the one against ACIN, but why can't you reveal what you know about him now? If people need time for discussion waiting for Psychonaut who may come around too late doesn't help many people. Or if you know Greyblades' faction too. It'd be really nice to know which one is the Space Mafia and the other who is not Space Mafia would be an especially interesting faction scan, again I really see no mathematical explanations that aren't really scummy sounding, only other possibility is a weird outlier member of South Park but the whole being pretty sure Visorslash was the last South Park mafia and playing cards setup there would need explanation, and I'd not exactly be happy if Psychonaut/Greyblades then Visorslash were both decided to be still living South Park either.

[Seon]

HEY MAFIA

I AM THE Black-WINGED KILLER

:birthday2::belly::cake::wings::wings::joker::holiday::couch:

[Backwards Logic]

I don't want to reveal what I know.

I want them to reveal what I know.

See?

I have a ton of vig killers lined up, and of course, my super scan. At some point, I'm going to nail the last Chaotic. If they want to help out with some reveals, I'm all ears.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You lied directly about what I and others said on the game thread in the last page. Because I did not bring up at any point, as any part of a case, anything about your outburst against Zack before.
Again, give examples otherwise you are talking out of your ***.

These are all of your conversations:
Earthling: "Herp durp you lied about what people said."
Innocent targeted by Earthling: "What did I lie about?"
Earthling: "Her derp, you lied about what people said."



You also lied about being scanned by Backwards Logic,Not a lie. I was sure they would not have overlooked me because of how I have acted in previous games. I was mistaken. Once he scans me, you will look like an idiot.



and lied about how people have been coordinating night actions.
Another assertion without substance. What exactly was I wrong about?



You are the one who seems to have not told BL and Kage almost anything and been out of the loop, because they can verify for instance I've told them what I've done every night for a long time, and you were needlessly lying about me.
I told them that I was the one who killed Robbiecon because I thought he was lying under the radar.
I told them I was going to kill Red_Spy and it just so happens that both killers killed that night while I was busy using my action to kill Red_Spy with my 10% vig kill item.
I told them what I have done all the way up until that point.

Since I'm telling everyone now what I have done, what have you done Earthling? Have you made any actions that can be verified in the write up on the same night that the killers struck? Because I can.



That's not to start on the ridiculous theory Seon is killing from the dead. Which could be said not to be a lie exactly to a hypothetical Innocent (though I'm pretty sure as a scum you would know for sure it isn't true, so is also a lie) but just a terrible theory. Completely nullifies retaliation, nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it. Because it certainly wasn't expected Seon would randomly die at the start and if luck would have had him around later in the game such an ability would be ridiculous for the town to go up against.

Except it doesn't nullify retaliation because only Seon has the ability to come back from the dead because of his character. Your statements show how little you know about logic.

Earthling's logic:
A) Retaliation can kill people.
B) Retaliation killed the serial killer.
C) But if ACIN is right, Seon is the one exception.
D) Retaliation does nothing because there was an exception. DOES NOT COMPUTE! SO ACIN IS WRONG.


nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it.
CRAZED RABBIT

[Seon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgQMtquS6Y&feature=related

[Earthling]

I don't understand Romanic betting on me just because Earthling decided to place everything he has on me all of a sudden. That sounds like typical Earthling, charging in with everything when he thinks he is right. He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.

Direct lie and really a complete strawman here. In the same post, just avoiding quote trees, you lied about every over thing I mentioned, such as I didn't try to disassemble the BL/Kage group and you lied about being scanned. You must have known better too that you couldn't possibly believe a regular faction scan fully proved your Innocence, and you told me in private you were "sure" that you had been full scanned by BL, you were just lying until you were corrected by Backwards Logic on the thread.

I've got a better idea though, which is that I request the game host act on a purposeful rules violation in post #2598. Which if it is the host has warned people several times about breaking the rules and it's not fair to those who are following the rules (even other dead folks like Beskar who tried really hard and did manage to stay within the rules, all to their credit). So we'll see what Seon is up to ;)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Direct lie and really a complete strawman here.
NOPE! You are wrong:

So I suggest we lynch acin or Psychonaut, but since Earthling is already pushing 100 on acin, it could be useless to be voting Psychonaut at this point.

bet: 10 credits on acin

Also, if the player who killed Link is still alive, I'd like to hear from him, publicly or privately. Alternatively you can speak with Kage, if you don't trust me.



In the same post, just avoiding quote trees, you lied about every over thing I mentioned, such as I didn't try to disassemble the BL/Kage group
Strawman. Never Said you were trying to disassemble BL/Kage I said you tried to get a group of your own going. Shall I bring up the message you sent to everyone?



and you lied about being scanned.
Nope. Already address this, was working under the assumption that BL and Romanic did not trust me due to my behavior in previous games.



You must have known better too that you couldn't possibly believe a regular faction scan fully proved your Innocence, and you told me in private you were "sure" that you had been full scanned by BL, you were just lying until you were corrected by Backwards Logic on the thread

Earthling's Logic:
A) Person A thinks something is true.
B) Person A was mistaken.
C) SCUM!!!!!!

[Earthling]

Stop lying. You continue to quote what I say and simply lie about it. Everybody here can read and that should include you.

So once again.


He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.


This is a complete lie and you must have known it was a complete lie when you posted it. Don't tell me you didn't read literally the past 10 posts on the game thread, that's pathetic.

The arguing that you somehow didn't know BL didn't scan you is pointless nonsense just for you to say "I didn't lie." If you were paying attention at all it was clear who BL was scanning since he got voted his item, and you kept bringing up again and again that being scanned cleared your name. You haven't even addressed why you would assume a basic factional scan, that doesn't see through cover roles, from someone like fluffy or Kage would have cleared you entirely anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am going to make a wall of quotes here showing how baseless Earthling is. These are unedited quotes from a conversation me and Earthling have been having in PM.


So Earthling, I know you rarely change your mind when you have set your eyes on someone, but please take a look at my argument and please ask yourself if I could somehow escape being exposed as a serial killer when I have been scanned by both Fluffy and BL. Serial killers would not be able to escape scans. Most of the chaotics could not escape scans.

Don't be stubborn like you were with MRD. This is the end game, and it could all end at any moment if the evil's make a bad mistake.

Your argument is completely worthless and so is this PM. It's obviously so too, there is no evidence you've been scanned by a foolproof scan that sees through cover roles. Everything else is even worse, the only alternative to you being guilty is that Seon is killing from the dead? Seon was setting you up with all his kills since Night One of the game when he didn't even know he'd die by retaliation? I know earlier you complained that people like Greyblades or Visorslash or Psychonaut must be guaranteed Innocents, but your defense is really that Seon is killing from the dead rather than just naming two other suspicious people as the scum?


Dude, read beyond the thesis statement. Seon's character in The Shadow War survived death. Everyone's character has abilities linked to what they did in their original mafia game that ATPG took from.

I am pretty sure BL scanned me, is that not foolproof? BL's scan can see through cover roles.

BL did not scan you unless he scanned you last night and already told you so. Which is extremely doubtful, because it seems he hasn't been online at all yet, and why he would tell you and nobody else that he usually would tell (like Kage and Roman) makes no sense.

Your arguments are terrible and you are scum. I don't know why you think you can convince me either, you haven't even addressed the vast majority of valid points I actually made (not lies that I didn't say) such as the problem of faction cover roles and who else you suspect is chaotic in your place if you protest your Innocence.

I will tell you one other interesting thing though that confirms you are scum.

You see, I am one of the most capable and effective Innocents around, game after game, period. Combine that with the usual Cassandra Syndrome, and it's actually bad of me that I forgot to check up better on people who agreed with me for no reason. The average Innocent, 95% of the time, is not a good enough player to figure out the things I correctly figure out myself through skillful analysis. Therefore when somebody else seems to actually use critical thinking and figure something out in agreement with me, they aren't actually Innocent. They are a scum who has ulterior motives or advance knowledge. Case in point this game - I was the only living Innocent intelligent and astute enough to figure out Renata shouldn't be trusted. I directly warned many other Innocents of entirely truthful and accurate things, that Renata was lying about her night actions, wasting other people's credits, hoarding items, and refusing to reveal even basic things about her faction when she was even a faction enemy of many of these others who we now know are Innocent. But all the actual Innocents played right into CS as usual and went along with Renata. Everybody else alive who was against Renata - God Emperor, Diamondeye, Chaotix, were all really scum who secretly just didn't want Renata to gain power and threaten them. Same goes for you.

:p



Please list your valid points so I may address them then.

They are listed in thread. I could list non-valid points that taunt you as a member of the scum instead. But you can bother to read or I'm not wasting my time.




I got my reason's but I am not going to give them in a clear and easily refuted list because I got scummy things to do.

Ok that last one was made up.

[Earthling]

:laugh: ACIN seems to want to leave out the part (edit - well, he grudgingly put it there at the bottom) where he said he would ignore any valid arguments anyway and I told him I was only going to give him joke responses that don't help the scum anyway.

There are no downsides to lynching you at all today, especially to people who are not me or on your faction, I'm willing to lose my credits if wrong but it's worth it to get rid of scum and help the Innocent cause, and would save any minimal losses from the other important townies like BL or Roman anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is a complete lie and you must have known it was a complete lie when you posted it. Don't tell me you didn't read literally the past 10 posts on the game thread, that's pathetic.

What exactly am I lying about? That Romanic brought up me getting angry at the beginning of the game as a clue for scummyness or that I get too emotional on the org? I literally said, Romanic brought up this point but I disagree about it because of x and people fro mthe backroom can verify and somehow I managed to fit a lie in there?



The arguing that you somehow didn't know BL didn't scan you is pointless nonsense just for you to say "I didn't lie."
Why? I gave a very good reason why I expected myself to have been scanned. Why is this nonsense?



If you were paying attention at all it was clear who BL was scanning since he got voted his item, and you kept bringing up again and again that being scanned cleared your name.
I'm sorry if I can't read every single post in the thread seeing how 30 pages of it is you attacking MRD. And we all know how that went...



You haven't even addressed why you would assume a basic factional scan, that doesn't see through cover roles, from someone like fluffy or Kage would have cleared you entirely anyway.

Serial killers are not as powerful as chaotics. Period. It takes a super scan to find a chaotic but it doesn't take a super scan to find a serial killer. That's how mafia games work usually. Power isn't equal among all scum.

If I was a serial killer, fluffy or kage would have had a chance at exposing me. That's a fact and you can't deny that.

[a completely inoffensive name]

:laugh: ACIN seems to want to leave out the part (edit - well, he grudgingly put it there at the bottom) where he said he would ignore any valid arguments anyway and I told him I was only going to give him joke responses that don't help the scum anyway.
Where did I say that you liar!



There are no downsides to lynching MRD at all today, especially to people who are not me or on MRD's faction, I'm willing to lose my credits if wrong but it's worth it to get rid of scum and help the Innocent cause, and would save any minimal losses from the other important townies like BL or Roman anyway.

Gee, where have I heard this before?

[Earthling]

This is so completely worthless that I'm done here, will let others read and respond after this post since going in circles with a likely scum is spamming up the thread. I've made my points. I do agree I would love to learn more about Psychonaut and Greyblades, best if they themselves show up, I'd appreciate if BL would just tell us what he knows about their factions at least even if they don't show up.

First, you backtrack and lie again because you bothered to read the thread and wanted to claim it was Romanic who talked about the Zack outburst. Ergo Romanic is not Earthling, therefore you lied that I made it an issue. My accusation against you was for the reasons stated of what you do being unknown, the strong possibility of a cover role of yours for the faction you are "supposed" to be on, and process of elimination when other people are known to be not chaotic.

You can't possibly be serious that you believe a basic scan would have exposed a serial killer if you were one. Your point literally, painfully contradicts not only basic mafia game theory (serial killers can't be more powerful as an individual role than other scum? What?) but prior examples in the game itself. A proven serial killer had a cover role just like that chaotics have cover roles. Nobody who was otherwise non-evil aligned could have been exposed by a basic scan either, including Renata whose victory condition was mostly serial-killerish too. Nobody at all should believe your point is even close to true.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I KNEW IT!

DAY THREE HAS THE EVIDENCE! DAY THREE HAS THE EVIDENCE!


Finally. Forum hiccup prevented me from doing anything but the tally so far. And, seriously, a close one.

LYNCH

civplayah- 161 (2 Chaotix, 19 ACIN, 30 Warman, 20 Crazed Rabbit, 30 Fluffy. 30 Blackadder, 30 MRD :skull:

MRD- 160 (30 Earthling, 1 Visorslash 15 Robbiecon, 30 Romanic, 15 Zack, 10 Believer, 2 Link, 10Autolycus, 5 Renata, 10 shlin, 1 Jolt, 1 B_ray, 30 choxorn,
Earthling- 35 (30 Subotan, 5 Bow,
Subotan- 23 (5 dcmort, 3 Diamondeye, 2 Ironside, 5 Red_Spy, 8 myth,
ACIN- 16 (8 God Emperor, 5 Psychonaut, 3 DIY
Seon- 3 (3 Gamez,
Chaotix- 1 (1 Beskar,



Gosh, it would be great if someone could double-check this tally for me. In all seriousness, I'd hate for someone to die or lose out on an item due to a miscount.

I was very careful but mistakes are possible in a multipage thread where there seem to be a hundred vote posts or more.


Why would a bet on Seon count, IF HE WAS ALREADY DEAD!?!?

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is so completely worthless that I'm done here, will let others read and respond after this post since going in circles with a likely scum is spamming up the thread. I've made my points. I do agree I would love to learn more about Psychonaut and Greyblades, best if they themselves show up, I'd appreciate if BL would just tell us what he knows about their factions at least even if they don't show up.

hahahahahah, I'm right and you are wrong. see above post.



First, you backtrack and lie again because you bothered to read the thread and wanted to claim it was Romanic who talked about the Zack outburst. Ergo Romanic is not Earthling, therefore you lied that I made it an issue. My accusation against you was for the reasons stated of what you do being unknown, the strong possibility of a cover role of yours for the faction you are "supposed" to be on, and process of elimination when other people are known to be not chaotic.

hahaahha you can't read. I said:
1) I don't understand Romanic betting on me for this.
2) Earthling is being his typical wrong self.
3) Romanic brings up...

You can;t read throguh my poor grammer and paragraph structure!!! lololol

But seriously, I *was* referencing Romanic not you. Your sentence should have been in parentheses. I was talking about this:


And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?


Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.



You can't possibly be serious that you believe a basic scan would have exposed a serial killer if you were one. Your point literally, painfully contradicts not only basic mafia game theory (serial killers can't be more powerful as an individual role than other scum? What?) but prior examples in the game itself. A proven serial killer had a cover role just like that chaotics have cover roles. Nobody who was otherwise non-evil aligned could have been exposed by a basic scan either, including Renata whose victory condition was mostly serial-killerish too. Nobody at all should believe your point is even close to true.
What would be the point of a basic scan if they were worthless bro?

[a completely inoffensive name]

But seriously. I want to know if that bet on Seon on day 3 was legit or a mistake.

ATPG needs to clarify if that bet was legit. If it was legit, then you can kill Seon again.

EDIT: This game is giving me such a thrill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But seriously. I want to know if that bet on Seon on day 3 was legit or a mistake.

ATPG needs to clarify if that bet was legit. If it was legit, then you can kill Seon again.

EDIT: This game is giving me such a thrill.

Bet on day 3 was legit.

[a completely inoffensive name]

YES! I WAS RIGHT!

Bet 100 credits on Seon

[Earthling]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It does seem like clear proof that you are Sephiroth. Good game, your tactics were a little underhanded and insulting regarding several players over the course of the game but for the big kahuna it's understandable

So now I am not the serial killer but Sephiroth? lol cool story bro.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

lol scummy player trying to paint me as scummy.

And if Gamez had not accidentally put down a bet on Seon you would still be sitting there claiming that I am the serial killer.

EDIT: Or...it could be....you Earthling! Dun dun duuuuuuuuun

EDIT 2: Getting food and doing homework for tonight, so I will be semi afk for the rest of the night.

[Earthling]

I never claimed you were a serial killer. Another complete lie on your part Seph.

If you'd care to revive that bet you proposed about Visorslash + Greyblades + Psychonaut and add some conditional on you being Sephiroth, with appropriate consequences otherwise if I am wrong, I'm willing to discuss terms though.

Also, more seriously, basic, basic strategy for the town here. We have to lynch Sephiroth to stop his meteor/win the game, and the sooner the better it seems. It's great to have this all confirmed about Seon but this only makes it really easy for us to block and handle him at night, and only hastens the importance of getting Sephiroth since this seems to be a "last chaotic alive" trigger for sure now. Sephiroth is a living player and has to be caught and Blackwings isn't and if we don't get him first we'll either win anyway or can do it the next day. If you ACIN were really town you'd bet all you could on your suspect from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list since by your own logic one of them would have to be Sephiroth.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I never claimed you were a serial killer. Another complete lie on your part Seph.
What were you accusing of then Earthling? See that is what makes you so untrustworthy. Your opinion always seems to change when you can't argue your way out like a lawyer and yet you always seem to be so steadfast in whatever pops out of your mouth next.



If you'd care to revive that bet you proposed about Visorslash + Greyblades + Psychonaut and add some conditional on you being Sephiroth, with appropriate consequences otherwise if I am wrong, I'm willing to discuss terms though.
Hmph, your lack of a foot to stand on shows when you start bringing up bets that you dismissed immediately earlier in the game when people still ignored you and your wall of texts.



Also, more seriously, basic, basic strategy for the town here. We have to lynch Sephiroth to stop his meteor/win the game, and the sooner the better it seems. It's great to have this all confirmed about Seon but this only makes it really easy for us to block and handle him at night, and only hastens the importance of getting Sephiroth since this seems to be a "last chaotic alive" trigger for sure now. Sephiroth is a living player and has to be caught and Blackwings isn't and if we don't get him first we'll either win anyway or can do it the next day. If you ACIN were really town you'd bet all you could on your suspect from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list since by your own logic one of them would have to be Sephiroth.

Great plan Earthling, we have to stop that meteor, yes, no one ever thought of that. You would be right about blocking Seon if your candidate for Sephiroth didn't completely refute every single one of your arguments until all you had was assertions from your gut feeling.

If you were really town you would always, always vote on the sure thing. That is mafia 101. You don't let confirmed scum live in favor of going on a wild goose chase with 10 other people. Again, you try to lead us all in the wrong direction.

I know that one of those people from the Greyblades/Psychonaut list is Sephiroth, but I don't know which and I am not going kill one of them and have it be wrong and have the mafia inch ever closer to the same # of people as the chaotics. Is that what you want Earthling? To have another innocent die in a wild goose chase and have the balance of town:mafia even more out of whack?

I have proven over this game with my actions that I am not Sephiroth, and I have just proven that I am not black wings. If I was seph I wouldn't even need expose Seon to save myself. No one would have guessed that seon is still alive and everyone would have gone about killing each other until it was just seon and the last evil person AKA chaotic win. But I just put a damper on that, right on time for you to pull the "this proves he is sephiroth" card, because someone as experienced in mafia such you surely must have considered that it is very easy for scum to accuse townies who are doing well at exposing mafia that they have "inside information". :rollseyes:

This is why everyone should know I am town, because for all the bull you have thrown in my direction, I am still not calling for your head because I know you are being just as pig headed as ever. After we deal with this confirmed threat you can bet my next action will be Greyblades, Psycho or Visor just as my list calls. But I am being the good townie right now and am playing by the rules. Kill confirmed threats.

[Visor]

You have done well my son.

Fold; Bet 10 credits on Seon

The end could quite possibly be nigh.

[Visor]

If I was to bet on Subotan today, would that be a valid bet?

Got a bunch of questions, so fire away.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Got a bunch of questions, so fire away.

If you mean should Subotan get enough credits to be lynched, then the outcome of the round would be Subotan being lynched.

I can't reveal if the outcome would be good or bad. But yeah, it would be considered valid, and the person in question will be lynched, regardless of their alive or dead status.

[Visor]

Subotan is dead, so would a vote on him be valid?

Just going through the motions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See above response. Yes, I will count such a wager and consider it valid.

[Visor]

But.... he's dead. So it'll be a waste of a lynch. There must be reasoning behind it though.

So either it does nothing, or we kill an active Chaotic. What is it to be?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It could very well be a waste of a lynch.

In case it is relevant, I've even had games where I allowed the players to lynch me, and I put myself among the dead, even though that didn't do anything.

So I'm not saying me letting you guys lynch the dead necessarily means there's a dead guy that needs to be lynched. I'm just saying it is a valid option.

It will either be an hilarious waste of time, or an hilarious non-waste of time.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Why do you do this to me ATPG?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you do this to me ATPG?

Because I enjoy watching you all suffer. :evil:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well, I am still sticking by my hypothesis. If I am wrong...I will gladly take the consequences.

[naut]

Main suspect to be the (remaining?) chaotic is Psychonaut.

Mostly because most other players have alibis not to be chaotic and Psychonaut doesn't.
Bollox. I'm in the last three write-ups killing lurkers. Unless I can kill in two distinctly separate ways then there is no way I'm a Chaotic.

Though I must say, nice argument, wrong conclusion.

[Visor]

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Beefy187
Greyblades
Psychonaut
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

6 possible suspects.....

Currently, I shall Fold; Bet 1 credit on ArpegiatteTHIS2

[Visor]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

Actually, you know what?

Fold; Bet 100 credits on Earthling

You need to die. In a hole. With spikes. And fire.

[Diamondeye]

This is so fun :laugh4:


Because I enjoy watching you all suffer. :evil:

You guys still guessing who Sephiroth is? Come on. Look at that reply. And he just told you he's lynchable.

[Visor]

Fold

[Backwards Logic]

Visor, unfortunately you need to fold until I can get a true read on Earthling. There's a strong indication that if you kill him enough times he wins, and he's already been been 'killed' three times already. The role is straight out of the Monty Python Holy Grail Mafia at CFC, and as annoying as he can be, we can't take the chance of lynching him and handing him a win.

Psychonaut... You never bothered to contact me or Kage with you vig'ing the inactives. Do you have any idea how bad that is, considering we'd been using them as bus driver fodder while others were relatively confirmed Evil? And three writeups in a row you successfully killed inactives. Considering I doubt you have the cash to pull that off, and I know you haven't gotten any vig items publicly, how are you pulling that off? I'd argue you've done more damage than good, so I want even more details on just how you're killing people. I also want details of your night by night actions, and I also want you to stop killing unless I tell you otherwise. Character details too. The fact you never bothered to contact myself or Kage is just another strike against you, and if I don't get what I want I'll start pushing to have you lynched.

[naut]

Psychonaut... You never bothered to contact me or Kage with you vig'ing the inactives. Do you have any idea how bad that is, considering we'd been using them as bus driver fodder while others were relatively confirmed Evil? And three writeups in a row you successfully killed inactives. Considering I doubt you have the cash to pull that off, and I know you haven't gotten any vig items publicly, how are you pulling that off? I'd argue you've done more damage than good, so I want even more details on just how you're killing people. I also want details of your night by night actions, and I also want you to stop killing unless I tell you otherwise. Character details too. The fact you never bothered to contact myself or Kage is just another strike against you, and if I don't get what I want I'll start pushing to have you lynched.
How am I meant to know you are using them as bus driver fodder, in fact how am I meant to know that you are organising stuff if you don't PM and say: "Do this. Don't do that." How am I killing people? Well, I PM ATPG and say I'd like to kill "insert lurker" tonight. How have I pulled it off? A handy bunch of luck, 9 nights at 20% effectiveness is 1.8 kills, so I'm slightly above average with 3. You want to lynch me? Well ain't that grand, how about you stop faffing about going after the people you can identify as not being Chaotic with a simple cross-reference of what happened each night and start looking at those people you can't do that for.

[Kagemusha]

:7blacksmith::shakehands::bow:

[Greyblades]

...Since when has kagemusha been mute?... Wait, who do we know has a gag item?

[Kagemusha]

:quiet::yes::wall:

[Backwards Logic]

How am I supposed to tell you who to kill and not kill if, before today, I didn't know you were killing people at night? You certainly could have shot me a pm saying you could kill, yet chose not to and went freelancing. Why?

[Kagemusha]

:no::hanged::stop::bow:

[Renata]

Don't mind the junior-GM-ing here, but Kage, if you're claiming to have been silenced, you are not allowed to quote posts. You'll have to edit that.

[naut]

How am I supposed to tell you who to kill and not kill if, before today, I didn't know you were killing people at night? You certainly could have shot me a pm saying you could kill, yet chose not to and went freelancing. Why?
I told Kage the day after I killed Believer. He asked if I appeared in any write-ups? I said yes the previous one killing Believer. He asked if I'd found my talent, yes, obviously it is killing. He also asked if I had any items, I said only my initial item. I didn't hear back from him. So I sent in my own orders. The next day he then asked me if I killed dcmort, I said yes, a lurker with about 5 posts isn't very useful at all (edit: looking at the PM I said that it is just giving scum places to hide, and look what has happened, we're left with a bunch of actives, giving whoever is left less places to hide and cast doubt upon. None of these, "oh he's been quite it might be him" WIFOM arguments bandied about.). I didn't hear back from him, so I took up the same tactic and sent in orders to kill Link. As you can see he died, too bad, I guess my 20% chance must be with loaded dice recently.

Now, if you don't mind I tire of this cross-examination. EITHER put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. OR lynch someone that will actually be beneficial.

[shlin28]

Erm... 2/3 of the people you killed had decent amount of posts, if they are still alive they would have surpassed you post count! Vig-ing randomly when there are less than half of the players still alive is a very bad thing :no:

Also, could someone please vote the items to BL or Kage? I don't like the sound of Visorslash getting all those loot!

[Diamondeye]

:quiet::yes::wall:

:quiet::yes::evil::laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

:wizard:

[Believer]

I told Kage the day after I killed Believer.


I guess I kinda forced your hand on that one, sorry for that. I've had some problems with my health recently which prevented me from using the computer for 2 weeks or so. I hope there's no hard feelings.

[Earthling]

This is such hypocrisy guys. Criticizing Psychonaut on killing lurkers when ACIN's excuse is the same thing - except he didn't even kill lurkers, he killed people like robbiecon who were pretty much known not to be scum. Both of them are equally problematic here. I also don't know why BL or Kage signed off on any of those kills in advance really, with Psychonaut it was apparently on his own but I can't see how we give ACIN credit for killing Innocents who couldn't possibly be the chaotics either.

And there's a second part too, which I don't get why nobody else is even mentioning. Succeeding at a vigilante kill in no way proves that person is not doing a second action. I don't possibly see how people are honestly arriving at that conclusion, especially folks like Romanichine who made such a big deal out of roleblocking and that BOTH a person's actions would have to be accounted for. "I killed somebody with purchased credits action once, therefore I can't have used an innate ability action to do something else the same night?" Do we really believe the scum are incapable of purchasing a vigilante kill by credits? They could easily do that and kill somebody else with their regular kill at the same time. It's really two provable actions that are not the kills the scum carried out or nobody has any alibis from this sort of argument.

Though Psychonaut, you still owe us an explanation of what in the world faction you are on. Is it South Park after all? Don't recall South Park having a vigilante so that's maybe plausible, might as well reveal your item too though. You don't sound like Space at the least with the claimed kill methods. (and again, pretty much all other factions are mathematically impossible without 7 players or something very wrong) Greyblades should really claim too but he is assumedly the Space Mafia at this point.

As for the lynch - well, now that it's confirmed that any dead person can be lynched this seems like an atrocious waste of time. If we break it down, there's no scenario in which it's a good idea to lynch Seon.

-Seon is not Blackwings, we've just wasted a day and left two scum alive. And honestly this seems like a quite high chance anyway.
-Seon is Blackwings, that pretty much confirms Sephiroth is on some "last-chaotic-alive countdown" that we need to stop before we run out of time. It also really doesn't indicate at all that ACIN is Innocent, this would be extremely suspicious for living scum to sell out Seon to buy time. So whether or not ACIN is Sephiroth we'd have to go for one of the Seph candidates today. I think it's believable he would avoid BL's scan at this point and ACIN might be counting on that, waste a day today, get "scanned" by BL but Sephiroth knows he can dodge the scan at this point, then a mislynch tomorrow on not-Sephiroth and we lose. I wouldn't give us more than two days to catch Sephiroth here so we have to get one of the living players.

Love that I'm being defended for terrible and obviously wrong reasons but that happen to coincide with a decent course of action, but that's just an addendum. I really think I could use some of the items myself though and shlin, I will place a vote later, but iirc nobody else has action slots free between Kage/Roman/BL and I do, I could take up the busdriver or roleblock. We'll see, I agree letting Visorslash or somebody equally silly claim then uncontested doesn't help.

But Psychonaut and Greyblades, you're both really not helping here, each in a bit of different ways but still not good. I'd ask everyone else if they think you are more likely to be Sephiroth than ACIN, who fits perfectly, but this nonsense of daring yourself to come and get lynched by Backwards Logic is a waste of time. If you're Innocent, you know you are, and place your credits on another major suspect here. The list is pretty much down to you two and ACIN, with a tinier chance of Visorslash being scum, and everybody else being non-chaotic. Not cooperating is going to get yourselves killed and hurt the Innocents if you are Innocent.

[Greyblades]

But Psychonaut and Greyblades, you're both really not helping here, each in a bit of different ways but still not good. I'd ask everyone else if they think you are more likely to be Sephiroth than ACIN, who fits perfectly, but this nonsense of daring yourself to come and get lynched by Backwards Logic is a waste of time. If you're Innocent, you know you are, and place your credits on another major suspect here. The list is pretty much down to you two and ACIN, with a tinier chance of Visorslash being scum, and everybody else being non-chaotic. Not cooperating is going to get yourselves killed and hurt the Innocents if you are Innocent.
In your opinion, and that hasnt exactly been very helpful. Get one of the confirmed townies to agree with you over my status and maybe I'll consider listening to you.

[a completely inoffensive name]

After having slept on the decision i think that because ATPG has revealed that any bet is legit my theory is looking rather weak. i asked Crazed Rabbit to comment last night but he has not replied. he didnt contribute much anyway. i am going to look at other people tonight. i am personally going to wait until BL or Romanic comments again before i make a bet switch.

about earthling: I do not fit perfectly into the role of seph, you only claimed i was seph after it looked like i had a slam dunk on seon. now that seon is up in the air, the original theory about me being black wings is still testable by having BL scan me.

Also, BL said that your victory condition might be to get "killed" enough times (perhaps one for each limb just like in the movie?) if this is the case, then you are completely not trustworthy and in fact have been leading us in the wrong direction because you are looking for a chaotic victory which will lead to them having to kill you and thus, you winning. you are not scum, but if BL is right in his suspicions, you might as well be working from them. nothing you say should be trusted at all.

Lurkers are not free from suspect, most chaotics survived because they hid within the lurker group.

[Kagemusha]

:7blacksmith::bow:

[a completely inoffensive name]

In your opinion, and that hasnt exactly been very helpful. Get one of the confirmed townies to agree with you over my status as innocent and maybe I'll consider listening to you.

i have been saying you are likely to be innocent since renata was revealed.

[Greyblades]

Also, BL said that your victory condition might be to get "killed" enough times (perhaps one for each limb just like in the movie?) if this is the case, then you are completely not trustworthy and in fact have been leading us in the wrong direction because you are looking for a chaotic victory which will lead to them having to kill you and thus, you winning. you are not scum, but if BL is right in his suspicions, you might as well be working from them. nothing you say should be trusted at all.
Uh, actually I think he allready lost all of his limbs when he was lynched.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Uh, actually I think he allready lost all of his limbs when he was lynched.

im actually on my phone in my uni class, can you look it up and double check that?

[Kagemusha]

:helloo::7blacksmith:

[Greyblades]

im actually on my phone in my uni class, can you look it up and double check that?
Sure, I cant actually quote it because you cant quote a closed thread but I copyed and pasted.
From: Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: Summary and Information Thread day five.



And so it was, on the 18th hour of the fifth day since they traveled to The Purgatory, that the one known as Earthling would finally receive the justice he so richly deserved, or at least that is what most everyone thought. And spotteth twice they the camels before the third hour. And so the Midianites went forth to Ram Gilead in Kadesh Bilgemath by Shor Ethra Regalion, to the house of Gash-Bil-Betheul-Bazda, he who brought the butter dish to Balshazar and the tent peg to the house of Rashomon, and there slew they the goats, yea, and placed they the bits in little pots.



Angelic One: "Who is it you have determined through logic and reason to be guilty?"


And so the peasants pointed to the one known as Earthling that is called Earthling.


But Earthling was not amused, and he shouted out at them, and called them all silly Kniggits. This did not persuade the crowd to spare his life, and so they advanced. He stood his ground.



Angelic One: "Earthling, you have been judged to be a criminally psychotic chaotic, and also a witch. How do you plead?"


Earthling just stared back in silence.



Angelic One: "I said, how do you plead?"



More silence.



Angelic One: "You are indeed brave, sir Knight, but I must inform you that you're going to die."



Earthling stared off, not even acknowledging the Angelic One.



Angelic One: "Do you have any last words?"


Earthling: None shall pass.



Angelic One: "What?"



Earthling: None shall pass!



Angelic One: "Interesting. Very well, seize him."



And so the entire mob descended upon Earthling, bashing him with clubs, slashing him with claws, firing bullets at him, but nothing seemed to faze the Knight. Finally, the Angelic One unsheathed a gigantic blade, and prepared to cleave the Knight into pieces.


The Angel slashed at Earthling, cutting off his remaining arm. The Angel sheathed his sword again, and stood victorious. But Earthling kicked him in the head, sending him sprawling to the ground.


Angelic One: "The battle is mine. Stop this foolishness."


Earthling: "Ooooh, had enough eh?"


Angelic One: "Stop that."


Earthling: "Chicken! CHICKEN!!! BRAWWKKK BUCK BUCK BUCK BRAWWWK!"


Angelic One: "It's over, I've won."


Earthling: "No you haven't."


Angelic One: "Look you stupid idiot, you've got no arms left!"


Earthling: "Yes I have!"


Angelic One: "LOOK!!!"


Earthling: "It's just a flesh wound. Come on, ya pansy!"



And so the Angelic one unsheathed his sword and cleaved off Earthling's leg.


Angelic One: "There. Now, do you yield?"


Earthling: "I'M INVINCIBLE!!!"


Angelic One: "Right. I'll have your other leg."


And so the Angelic one cleaved off Earthling's other leg.
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Earthling: "What do you say we call it a draw?"


The Angelic One just walked away, completely annoyed.

[Jolt]

~Since I decided to take the red pill and got to see who's who, I'm afraid I can't contribute anymore to this game. Best of luck to everyone, and I'll be watching in the sidelines.

Should anyone still try to revive my character, ATPG will replace me with someone else.

[a completely inoffensive name]

good work on that info Greyblades, now i am left wondering what basis BL's suspicion about earthling is on...

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: All items to Backwards Logic

I'm back, and have just read up-to-date again. Reckon I deserve some kind of medal for enduring the wall-'o-text-athon in such condensed time periods. :sweatdrop:

Now, firstly, I'm inclined to vote: all items to Kage. I assume he'll be able to resume talking after nightfall, so as to make best use of them, right?

I'm also wondering if it might be worth creating an easy code for our wordless friend to tell us beyond any doubt who he thinks should be lynched today (assuming that is allowed). Please respond with a :balloon2: if you'd like that done, Kage.

In other news, I discover with amusement that my predecessor's vote for the deceased Seon is now being regarded as a potentially game-changing moment. I wish I could tell you that it was based upon some nugget of inside info or a flash of genius, but I have no reason to believe it was anything more than a silly error on his part. Whether or not it is significant, I'm unsure, but ACIN's argument doesn't sound completely whacko to me.

Another thing that might be relevant to some of the discussions here: I robbed Psychonaut the night before last, and only got 8 credits, as there were no more available to steal.

Back later for more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, which player are you voting all items to?

I'll mark that down as voting them to Backwards Logic, as you said his name first and didn't unvote.

[Winston Hughes]

Darn, you're quick.

I meant to vote them to Kage. The BL thing was the first thing I typed, before thinking things through, and I didn't notice I'd left it there. I've edited the post to reflect that, but I can revote if you prefer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thats fine as is. I just needed clarification.

[Backwards Logic]

Judging by Kage's numerous Blacksmith smilies, all coming after ACIN's posts, I'm going to guess Kage means to say ACIN is the black wings killer? Gimmie a nod or a stop to confirm please. :)

[a completely inoffensive name]

there is less than 10 hours left in this 48 hour round and some people have not even hinted that they will vote anytime soon. this is terrible.

beefy looks scummy imo because it is disgusting to get a pass for simply saying "romanic bet is good enough for me." this late into the game.

[Earthling]

Two things.

First on the items, as far as I know Kage, BL, and Roman do not have item action slots available, they are full up on night actions. I'm tired of games of not revealing plans and scans and so on but since they can't make use of them and somebody random and possibly untrustworthy should also not get the items, here's my votes:

vote:
Gorilla Vest to Kage (passive so that's fine)
vote:
transporter pad to Earthling
Cute little bunny, cement shoes, torn shirt to ARPThis

I will be able to use the bus driver to protect Roman as usual and the roleblock items can also get used.

It'd be absolutely great if we could get people like Winston to actually vote now before everything gets to the last second. I'm still strongly of the opinion that we need to catch the living scum, Seon is dead and his faction confirmed eliminated and if he does have an ability that makes him still Blackwings, we still need to catch Sephiroth to win the game (and if that hypothetical is true, we might win from just catching Sephiroth alone, not even needing to re-lynch Seon).

If people think Psychonaut is more likely the last chaotic than ACIN, fine, vote up on him, but we all know ACIN could show up and swing the lynch and it's unknown how many credits he actually has. You know unless he's scum he probably shouldn't have any if he spent his on purchased vigilante actions but I'm sure there will be some excuse how that adds up.

For the really unobservant or those who didn't know in advance, I don't have a full 100 credits and don't want anybody misled before it's too late, I can't guarantee ACIN can't outvote me. I will vote an amount that is guaranteed to actually count though so everyone else can adjust according.

Fold.

Bet: 60 credits on ACIN

[a completely inoffensive name]

Judging by Kage's numerous Blacksmith smilies, all coming after ACIN's posts, I'm going to guess Kage means to say ACIN is the black wings killer? Gimmie a nod or a stop to confirm please. :)

just super scan me. a serial killer would not be able to evade a super scan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Judging by Kage's numerous Blacksmith smilies, all coming after ACIN's posts, I'm going to guess Kage means to say ACIN is the black wings killer? Gimmie a nod or a stop to confirm please. :)


Why do I suddenly feel like I'm watching an episode of Lassie?

Did Timmy fall down the old well again? Bark three times if so, girl.

Did his mother cover up the well, so all Timmy could see was a circular ring of light, as he slowly perished in the cold, cold water, as he tore his fingernails from his flesh trying to escape, and now Timmy's vengeful spirit wants you to view a strange videotape documenting the crazy things flashing through his twisted evil mind, and after you watch the tape, you die?

If so, please calculate pi to ten decimal places, girl.

[Winston Hughes]

It'd be absolutely great if we could get people like Winston to actually vote now before everything gets to the last second.

There is nobody like me.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Two things.

First on the items, as far as I know Kage, BL, and Roman do not have item action slots available, they are full up on night actions. I'm tired of games of not revealing plans and scans and so on but since they can't make use of them and somebody random and possibly untrustworthy should also not get the items, here's my votes:

vote:
Gorilla Vest to Kage (passive so that's fine)
vote:
transporter pad to Earthling
Cute little bunny, cement shoes, torn shirt to ARPThis

I will be able to use the bus driver to protect Roman as usual and the roleblock items can also get used.

It'd be absolutely great if we could get people like Winston to actually vote now before everything gets to the last second. I'm still strongly of the opinion that we need to catch the living scum, Seon is dead and his faction confirmed eliminated and if he does have an ability that makes him still Blackwings, we still need to catch Sephiroth to win the game (and if that hypothetical is true, we might win from just catching Sephiroth alone, not even needing to re-lynch Seon).

If people think Psychonaut is more likely the last chaotic than ACIN, fine, vote up on him, but we all know ACIN could show up and swing the lynch and it's unknown how many credits he actually has. You know unless he's scum he probably shouldn't have any if he spent his on purchased vigilante actions but I'm sure there will be some excuse how that adds up.

For the really unobservant or those who didn't know in advance, I don't have a full 100 credits and don't want anybody misled before it's too late, I can't guarantee ACIN can't outvote me. I will vote an amount that is guaranteed to actually count though so everyone else can adjust according.

Fold.

Bet: 60 credits on ACIN

bro, as i told romanic and BL i have a 10% vig item. didnt have to spend credits. romanic and BL can confirm i told them this a while ago.

[Earthling]

just super scan me. a serial killer would not be able to evade a super scan.

Nobody is saying you are a serial killer. It's been discussed that you may be Blackwings but it's not proven that he is a serial killer. We're just saying you are scum.

And Sephiroth would, you even said you thought so yourself. Desperately trying to get somebody else lynched - anybody else - is the thing that is most really looking like Seph at this point, though I agree can't prove you are not just Blackwings.

Could you answer how many credits you actually have? If you're townie and you claim you spent at least 140 on vigilante kills can't be that much left, plus you also bet some on lynches along the way...

Also, for completeness sake, linking to an old Renata post here that I encourage people to read. It sums up ACIN's posts and lying several times at the start of the game. Zack getting killed not just because of MRD but to take pressure off of ACIN (who conveniently later posted I believe that he had no analysis or stuff he promised to say because Zack and choxorn dying killed some "theory" of his) looks plausible.

Now yes, we know Renata wasn't Innocent but she was trying very hard and I saw nothing in this post that should be discounted due to Renata's alignments, good arguments are good arguments.

here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053303979&viewfull=1#post2053303979)

[Earthling]

bro, as i told romanic and BL i have a 10% vig item. didnt have to spend credits. romanic and BL can confirm i told them this a while ago.

Wouldn't that have been against the rules?

And this isn't really believable, escpecially at least with Psychonaut claiming the same (we've had at least 6 or 7 people killed this game on 10% vigilante items? Do we all really believe that? All of you succeeding far better than the odds, if so the town collectively must've had bad luck after all because in comparison defensive and retaliatory items have almost never succeeded) nor again a solid alibi because of second unknown night actions.

[Backwards Logic]

ACIN can kill via the Ceremonial Knife. No credits needed to enable vig'ing for him. The question to me is can he really do both the Ceremonial Knife Kill *and* the Black Wings kill simultaneously. That I'm doubtful of overall, but I can't discredit it totally. In any case, credits to him are irrelevant in this context.

[Kagemusha]

:stop:

[Backwards Logic]

I feel like I'm playing Charades here... Not ACIN, not Psychonaut, doesn't leave too many others.

Blacksmith -> Grey Blades?

Black is kind of gray, smiths makes blades? Eh, does Greyblades have an in writeup alibi?

Bet: 15 credits on Greyblades

[Earthling]

That I'm doubtful of overall, but I can't discredit it totally.

I don't see how you can be doubtful. Really, I don't know what your reasoning is, but the scum most likely have an ability-based kill and unless somebody is proven to do two night actions at once any item or credit based action they could probably do as cover. Everybody has two night actions, again Roman and some others seem to be on the same page that knowing of (or blocking) one isn't enough. To be clear this goes for everyone, I don't know of anyone besides yourself or Roman maybe who is cleared with two actual other actions in a writeup. But we can't let people slide for this.

So do we believe that Psychonaut is lying or ACIN or neither (except then we're about out of scum suspects. I assume you are ignoring Greyblades because you did scan him or hear something in private about him that makes you think he's Innocent and just aren't sharing on the thread).

I'm not really sure I can help Kage play twenty questions but he can tell us what he wants at night or I'll let others pursue that, we can probably manage to get him to confirm who he'd actually recommend voting for and that's about all we can do there.

What are your thoughts on the items again? Who is free and who do you trust to use the roleblock and bus driver, otherwise my vote is done.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I just want to point out that for those that might be wondering what the difference is between me and Psycho in terms of killing in the same write up as the killers. Psycho apparently did not check in with BL or Romanic about him killing or who he was going to kill. I told BL and Romanic, I plan on killing Red_Spy tonight, I have a 10% vig item which BL has just said is the ceremonial knife and you will know who I am from the write up involving Red_Spy. That is the difference. Granted I did not check in with Robbiecon but back then I was still skeptical of Romanic for completely following Renata, which you can go back and see.

[a completely inoffensive name]

So do we believe that Psychonaut is lying or ACIN or neither (except then we're about out of scum suspects. I assume you are ignoring Greyblades because you did scan him or hear something in private about him that makes you think he's Innocent and just aren't sharing on the thread).

I disagree about the suspects. We got lurkers in here still. Khaan should speak up.

Also, as I said before FoS on Beefy because I don't think he should slip under the radar for his atrocious reasoning. You do not simply "go with the flow" with less than 10 people left. You bring arguments and ideas, you don't try to ride it out at the end game that is scummy and beefy has been around since the very beginning.



What are your thoughts on the items again? Who is free and who do you trust to use the roleblock and bus driver, otherwise my vote is done.I think we should give all items to Kage except the bus driver, we need people to protect him and he is vulnerable if he is the one holding the bus driver. Chaotics will have to kill me in order to get to them.

Vote bus driver items to me
Vote all other items to Kage.


EDIT: If there is a better candidate for the bus driver I am all ears.

[Winston Hughes]

Who needs lynchin', Lassie?

A completely inoffensive name :cancer:

ArpeggiateTHIS2 :virgo:

Backwards Logic :gemini:

Beefy187 :pisces:

Earthling :aries:

Greyblades :taurus:

Kagemusha :aquarius:

Psychonaut :libra:

Romanic :capricorn:

Visorslash :scorpio:

Winston Hughes :sagittarius:

Yaseikhaan :leo:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I object. Beefy should be :curtain:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Are you German, Winston Hughes? Because those smilies are all in German. "Similie Loewe"

[Earthling]

You're such scum. There is no difference between you and Psychonaut killing "in the same writeup." In both cases it doesn't prove a thing unless you have a second proven night action. You're trying to say you were cooperative with other townies, your argument has nothing to do with the write-ups, but really this is a failing of some members of the Innocent group if anything, to know of people carrying out these vig kills on Red_Spy or Believer or Link or Subotan and not say anything when there was good reason to believe many of them were not scum. Nobody gets a free pass for killing other Innocents, it's not solid proof of anything bad on its own either, butsuggesting that proves you are not a scum is laughable. If you'd vig-killed a chaotic or something yourself that would be different, but you didn't.

Between the two of you, Psychonaut as a vigilante who is Innocent seems far more likely. It matches what his faction supposedly would be. It fits with Psychonaut being mostly a lurker, who we know wasn't around and didn't care to vote sometimes, on some faction nobody important cares about the way things went down, going off on his own with his abilities and factional goals. You've lied or mysteriously forgotten about several things when we check back over the early game and all of your votes and actions seem to add up to being scum. It's also really questionable why the scum didn't kill you if you were Innocent, you'd think a rich Innocent free to do whatever at night would have come up as a target by Chaotix or God Emperor at least, they were paying attention. Really it's hard to believe that the chaotics found landlubber or fluffy more of a threat, doubly so because by killing you the scum could have removed more supposed allies of BL and Roman, but the reason you weren't killed being because of your faction and you being one of the killers is far more plausible.

I love your fake little arguments against Beefy and Khaan though, people whose actions and roles are known to everyone far more than your own. It doesn't match their faction, roles, nor their actions that we know of, and they are very likely not chaotic. You're not acting Innocent and you know it, you're trying to throw off suspicion wherever possible and avoid the lynch on yourself or possibly a living scum ally you might have in Greyblades or Psychonaut.

[Winston Hughes]

I object. Beefy should be :curtain:

Function > Form


Are you German, Winston Hughes?

Nein.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You're such scum. There is no difference between you and Psychonaut killing "in the same writeup." In both cases it doesn't prove a thing unless you have a second proven night action. You're trying to say you were cooperative with other townies, your argument has nothing to do with the write-ups, but really this is a failing of some members of the Innocent group if anything, to know of people carrying out these vig kills on Red_Spy or Believer or Link or Subotan and not say anything when there was good reason to believe many of them were not scum. Nobody gets a free pass for killing other Innocents, it's not solid proof of anything bad on its own either, butsuggesting that proves you are not a scum is laughable. If you'd vig-killed a chaotic or something yourself that would be different, but you didn't.

Oh blah, blah, blah, more meaningless arguing for the sake of saying something. Romanic told me it would be acceptable to kill Red_Spy because Red_Spy never even lurked, it was a dead account and I only killed him for the purpose of notifying BL and Romanic what I was doing that night, and who I was. There are differences in how an action is performed which indicate how scummy or innocent the person is. You can blah, blah, blah about how killing a townie says nothing no matter what, but the fact is I did go the extra mile to work with Romanic and BL and got their approval for Red_Spy and Psycho didn't do any of that. If you won't admit that is a clear difference, then once again you show how stubborn you are and just how wrong you are.

If I remember correctly, Romanic himself killed Subotan so again you show you don't know what you are talking about.



Between the two of you, Psychonaut as a vigilante who is Innocent seems far more likely. It matches what his faction supposedly would be. It fits with Psychonaut being mostly a lurker, who we know wasn't around and didn't care to vote sometimes, on some faction nobody important cares about the way things went down, going off on his own with his abilities and factional goals. You've lied or mysteriously forgotten about several things when we check back over the early game and all of your votes and actions seem to add up to being scum. It's also really questionable why the scum didn't kill you if you were Innocent, you'd think a rich Innocent free to do whatever at night would have come up as a target by Chaotix or God Emperor at least, they were paying attention. Really it's hard to believe that the chaotics found landlubber or fluffy more of a threat, doubly so because by killing you the scum could have removed more supposed allies of BL and Roman, but the reason you weren't killed being because of your faction and you being one of the killers is far more plausible.

Oh so now we know that not voting means he was afk and wasn't doing anything, yet when it comes to killing a townie it doesn't matter what the circumstances are or what the context is, it all means nothing. Then you pull out the ubiquitous "You lied." card and previous arguments show you have absolutely nothing to pin on me besides bad grammar and paragraph structure.

I have no idea why the chaotics decided to kill who they wanted kill, obviously though Earthling knows all about the chaotics and what their reasoning was. For all we know they killed fluffy and landlubber because they were guessing in the dark about who had the bus drivers that thwarted them.



I love your fake little arguments against Beefy and Khaan though, people whose actions and roles are known to everyone far more than your own. It doesn't match their faction, roles, nor their actions that we know of, and they are very likely not chaotic. You're not acting Innocent and you know it, you're trying to throw off suspicion wherever possible and avoid the lynch on yourself or possibly a living scum ally you might have in Greyblades or Psychonaut.

Lol, to you any good defense means they are scum. Oh no one knew anything about MRD, it has to be MRD, even when he revealed himself it was a lie according to you. You accept no proof that doesn't validate your ideas and your motivations are highly suspect on their own.

Lol, you try to start a big bandwagon on me by betting 100 credits, which is 40 more credits than you even have and then try to portray me as scum when I defend myself and now that your bandwagon failed you have to come back and say oh gee, I don't really have that much money...but it's still ACIN! Lulz.

[Diamondeye]

:helloo::7blacksmith:

Hmmm. This is actually kind of interesting. What are you trying to say by that smiley? :7blacksmith:...

[Earthling]

No, everything I've posted is verifiable by people who bother to read. The post of Renata's I linked shows where you deliberately lied about multiple things, as pointed out by Renata, that just happened to be much earlier in the game and some of that stuff forgotten by now.

I think the post of your own where you said that cooperating with a couple townies can't possibly be done by a scum pretending to be town is worth throwing back in your face, but you'd ignore it or lie again.

And one thing for the record, you know (anybody who can read knows, again) I was actually proposing we lynch Jolt for not being evil-aligned after MRD revealed the truth about himself, and I was right. Way to keep lying though.

If you're so set on Psychonaut, put your credits on Psychonaut. Or at least lock in your bet now and promise not to change suspects as a townie would do, but it's very likely you're just wasting time and hope to swing it however you can by changing at the last second.

[a completely inoffensive name]

No, everything I've posted is verifiable by people who bother to read. The post of Renata's I linked shows where you deliberately lied about multiple things, as pointed out by Renata, that just happened to be much earlier in the game and some of that stuff forgotten by now.[/QUOTE}
Link please.

[QUOTE]
I think the post of your own where you said that cooperating with a couple townies can't possibly be done by a scum pretending to be town is worth throwing back in your face, but you'd ignore it or lie again.
Link please. Never remember saying any of that. If I am lying then you are redefining the truth.



And one thing for the record, you know (anybody who can read knows, again) I was actually proposing we lynch Jolt for not being evil-aligned after MRD revealed the truth about himself, and I was right. Way to keep lying though.
Cool beans, you still got him lynched.



If you're so set on Psychonaut, put your credits on Psychonaut. Or at least lock in your bet now and promise not to change suspects as a townie would do, but it's very likely you're just wasting time and hope to swing it however you can by changing at the last second.

I already said I am waiting to hear from BL and Romanic before making any more decisions. They have not made a judgement on my theory so why would I abandon it? And if I switched my vote anyway, you would just claim i was pandering and that it further proves I am scum because there is no arguing with you.

EDIT: Got more uni stuff to take care off. Brb in 2-3 hours.

[shlin28]

Quick question ACIN - if you are EVIL, why did you not co-operate more fully with Romanic and BL, who are not only almost confirmed town but also of the same faction as you? Surely that would make them very trustworthy to any outside observer? Hell, revealing your faction in thread after Romanic's revelations wouldn't be a bad move either, instead of sticking to your lone wolf thing :book:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Quick question ACIN - if you are EVIL, why did you not co-operate more fully with Romanic and BL, who are not only almost confirmed town but also of the same faction as you? Hell, revealing your faction in thread after Romanic's revelations wouldn't be a bad move either, instead of sticking to your lone wolf thing :book:

I don't understand, I did cooperate with them. As I have said, I checked in with them about Red_Spy, I told them about my vig item etc. When they asked for info I gave them all the info I had, especially to kage.

I did not trust Romanic when he was working with renata because I did not trust renata. my posts will show that. I did not trust romanic for a bit after that because I was curious as to how a "good town" person was so trusted by Romanic and others. I felt that perhaps she and the chaotics were running the show for a bit. Then I realized from the attacks on Romanic that it was obvious that he was a evil town person and from that point on I have been cooperative. Since BL was working with Romanic since being revived I didn't feel like I could trust him either until I started to trust Romanic.

The fact that they were the same faction as me, doesn't really matter. I don't really care for the different factions because I think it is just a distraction from the chaotics and I know I am innocent, so if anything I knew one of them (in my mind Romanic) was probably one of the evil guys EDIT:and the other was chaotic. Now I am kind of thinking that ATPG made the evil faction the only faction that doesn't have scum in it because I mean, we are all supposed to be "evil" here and so the evil faction of the evil town is for lack of a better term...the most evil of the evil.

As for the lone wolf thing, I mean, I don't want to get meta here because that just opens a bunch of WIFOM, but in all seriousness, ask around and see how many people would describe my style of playing as anything but "lone wolf". Not many.

[Romanic]

Kage is gagged!!

:laugh4:

And I was wondering why he was answering my PMs with smilies. :wall:

Give me a few to catch up with what has been written in the last 10 hours, and I'll post my thoughts, but I'm wondering who could have gagged Kage?!?

Renata got away with one silence item, where's the other? (iirc there was two of these).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am off to work. Round will end at 0100 whether I am here or not.

[Romanic]

Hrm, okay there was only one Gag we knew of, and Renata got away with it, but we've seen two players being silenced on the same day (Earthling and Renata on Day 2, I think), so there's someone else around with that ability.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Hrm, okay there was only one Gag we knew of, and Renata got away with it, but we've seen two players being silenced on the same day (Earthling and Renata on Day 2, I think), so there's someone else around with that ability.

Personal victory condition maybe? Hidden ability that's just been activated? Just throwing ideas out there. (Wasn't me by the way).

[Romanic]

Personal victory condition maybe? Hidden ability that's just been activated? Just throwing ideas out there. (Wasn't me by the way).
Personal Victory?? Hidden ability???

Neither of these reasons is good enough to target Kagemusha. The player who did this was malicious, no question about it, since silencing a confirmed innocent can't be helpful to us.

[Visor]

Just saying.... why the hell are you voting all those items to Kage?

He can't use them all. I, and a few others can probably help with that.

If I don't look like town to you confirmed buggers yet, then I have simply shot myself in the foot for the amount of times I have tried to do so.

Earthling, I still want you dead. If it comes down to a scum, me and you, I won't know who to vote for. You are the worst town player I have ever seen so far. And I doubt that will be surpassed.

[Romanic]

vote: all items to Kagemusha

Thank you for reminding me to vote items to someone. :laugh4:

[Visor]

Where the hell is the suicide smiliey?

[johnhughthom]

:hanged:

[Romanic]

Bollox. I'm in the last three write-ups killing lurkers. Unless I can kill in two distinctly separate ways then there is no way I'm a Chaotic.

Though I must say, nice argument, wrong conclusion.

Ugh, so you claim having killed Believer on Night 7, dcmort on Night 8 and Link on Night 9, all of those with 20% chance?

And you failed from Night 1 to Night 6, but you attempted to kill someone every night?


Also, I'd like yo hear what you did on Night 8. You killed dcmort (20%) and what else?

[Earthling]

He's claimed he was a vig in thread before for what it's worth, posts #1801-1810 are actually kinda interesting.

Could you ask ACIN the same stinking question by the way? He's got to have another night action after all, all of these nights. And how about his hidden talent?

I don't believe that ACIN and Psychonaut are both townies who between them have vig-killed at least 5 other townies with their items. That's bogus.

[Greyblades]

Might I suggest something?
We have alot of vigilantes running about, if BW or Kage thinks one might be scum he could ask him to attack earthling, if earthling survives or gets killed we'll probably know about it because it should show up in the writeup like last time, if he attacks earthling and the writeup says eathling was attacked by scum or serial killer we know who did it and we'll have wasted the scums night kill, if he doesnt show up as said scum; bingo theres one more confirmed townie.
If earthling is realy invincible he should survive and if he dies in the process, hey, bonus.

[Romanic]

And here's an incentive for you to answer me.

fold; bet 60 credits on Psychonaut

***
Current tally:

100 Seon (acin)
70 acin (Beefy 10, Earthling 60)
60 Psychonaut (Romanic 60)
15 Greyblades (Backwards Logic 15)
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7 not voting (Arpeg, Greyblades, Kagemusha, Psychonaut, Visorslash, Winston, khaan)

I could use help to pressure Psychonaut. He might not answer my question if he's not ahead.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Romanic, I will switch bets onto Psycho if you tell me either in private or public if you think my Seon theory has any validity. If you don't then I will leave it alone for now and see if it is more plausible tomorrow.

[Earthling]

Greyblades your reasoning is absolutely terrible. You can't be that wrong when you are not lying on purpose. A scum using an item or credits to vig-kill somebody will never prove they are not scum, they would almost certainly appear in the writeup as their cover role, I don't know how people are falling into that trap but it needs to stop. Everybody who matters has already "appeared in the writeup" and that doesn't solve anything.

Though I am really baffled and annoyed at why the judgements made by other players were made on the last few vig kills. Link, dcmort, Red_Spy, Subotan, all very poor choices for the town. I see no reason why Beefy or I weren't told we were duplicating effort last night anyway. I also wish Romanic would stop lying and admit that Subotan was killed to wipe out his faction (Cosa Nostra, and Roman/BL's enemies, plus Roman's personal goal I guess.) I don't believe you guys didn't know Subotan was who he was (and we'd already caught Diamondeye as a scum on his faction) because shlin and Kage did and we also knew Subotan had never spent any credits out of place, only been inactive and only ever used credits on the lynch.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Everyone is lying but Earthling.

[Greyblades]

Greyblades your reasoning is absolutely terrible. You can't be that wrong when you are not lying on purpose. A scum using an item or credits to vig-kill somebody will never prove they are not scum, they would almost certainly appear in the writeup as their cover role, I don't know how people are falling into that trap but it needs to stop. Everybody who matters has already "appeared in the writeup" and that doesn't solve anything.
...What? When you were night attacked it showed up even though it failed and each night the chaotic and serial killer generally have a unique writeup, so when you die (or not) the writeup should give us an idea on whether or not the guy who did it is scum or not, whats the issue beyond your reluctance to being night killed?

[Earthling]

How about somebody kills you because we don't even know who you are...?

You are literally wasting everyone's time and not bothering to read.

Do you think it's proof that nobody is a chaotic if they appeared in a writeup as a different vigilante? Do you just not get it or have something else to say?

Because you shouldn't, but if you do believe that, you aren't even acting or voting accordingly. Roman, BL, myself, Beefy, Psychonaut, and ACIN would all be proven Innocents to you then (plus Kage though he never vigged anyone) and you'd be left with like yourself and Visorslash to lynch

[Greyblades]

How about somebody kills you because we don't even know who you are...?
Oh no theres the beauty of it you shouldnt die so we would get both a result and not risk anyone important.

You are literally wasting everyone's time and not bothering to read.

No, I'm just not bothering to read your posts.
Besides they do have unique posts does the words green-eyed angel with one wing and long slender blade mean anything to you? You know, sephiroth, for the last few nights his kills have had the same sort of killer description.

[Earthling]

I just love this attitude if any of you, Visorslash, or Psychonaut are evil-aligned town. "Let's not bother to contribute anything to the rest of the townie cause, ignore questions from proven townies, not bother to try at anything, actually bet our credits, or use any actions even though we post all the time. Hurray!"

You would think that after all these other lurkers and suspects were murdered, a lot of whom people knew who they were and probably shouldn't have been killed so quickly, Link and Skooma and Believer and dcmort and Crazed Rabbit people would learn that lesson. Greyblades, I again assume you must be the Space Mafia by process of elimination, but you're going to achieve absolutely nothing by stubbornness and bad ideas. You're not helping catch the chaotics. You're not going to achieve your faction victory. BL and Roman obviously don't care about you or trust you (and actually they want to fully eliminate the Space mafia anyway, don't know if they can due to Renata but we'll see...) If you don't die when we all end up losing to the chaotics as could also happen, someone may kill you anyway because of your faction or just to "test out" another vigilante kill like happened to many of the above.

So I'll tell you who's not laughing, and that's Believer and Rabbit and Warman and these other guys on eliminated factions. That's where you and Visorslash and Psychonaut will end up too, killed off and your faction gone for good and we might all even lose to the chaotics, a total loss. I get and personally think some of you may be neutral or something, if not outright chaotic, and are trying your hardest to not lift a finger for the evil-chaotic conflict, but if not you're not helping at all.

edit with your edit -

I'll ask you again, are you bothering to read and think about this?


Besides they do have unique posts does the words green-eyed angel with one wing and long slender blade mean anything to you? You know, sephiroth, for the last few nights his kills have had the same sort of killer description.

Do you believe that automatically, anybody else who appears in the writeup with a different character description, is not chaotic then? You believe that it's impossible Sephiroth has a cover role and other actions with his cover role he appears as a "masked figure" or whatever? You clearly haven't thought this through because your words and actions do not reflect this.

[Greyblades]

Do you believe that automatically, anybody else who appears in the writeup with a different character description, is not chaotic then? You believe that it's impossible Sephiroth has a cover role and other actions with his cover role he appears as a "masked figure" or whatever? You clearly haven't thought this through because your words and actions do not reflect this.
I think that if the cover role was used in the writeup instead of the chaotic role it would render the cover role useless, and really, I think after about 3 turns at least of the same green eyes and long blade being shown in the writeups we can use it as at least a way to tell if its sephiroth that did what kill.

[Earthling]

I don't know what you are thinking but maybe later looking back you'll realize you are confused.

It's very likely we would solve nothing by attempting what you would suggest.

Ask yourself, what happens if Sephiroth pays credits to vigilante kill somebody?

Does Sephiroth kill two people in the writeup (we notice that never happened)?

Were Sephiroth and all the other chaotics not allowed, by the rules, to do something like purchase a vigilante kill? You don't really believe that, do you, surely that would have been broken.

Obviously Sephiroth did not have 700 credits and has been purchasing vigilante kills every night. He's got another ability. So if we took some random player and said "you, spend your credits on killing this other guy" (and with an item it would be about the same) that's not going to definitively prove it's not Sephiroth. Sephiroth could probably do that and carry out his regular kill.

[Greyblades]

Sephiroth could probably do that and carry out his regular kill.
Point taken. Though we havent realy had any evidence to suggest the writeups will be different just because the method of killing is different.

[Earthling]

I know we don't have guaranteed evidence. But it looks really bad if we assume otherwise.

Again, BL, Roman, Kage, Earthling, Psychonaut, Beefy, ACIN have all "appeared in the writeups" as something other than Sephiroth and Blackwings.

Winston and ARPThis replaced completely inactive people who almost certainly were not sending in kill orders as chaotics, plus we basically know who they are/their factions.

That leaves you, Greyblades, and Visorslash and Yaseikhaan (who replaced mythmonster but mythmoster was active before and claimed he was attempting vigs) who never actually "appeared in the writeups."

Just an honest question, do you think that is the right lead to follow?

And look, I want to be clear on something again, it's extremely disappointing that you and Psychonaut both have not revealed which faction you are. You're not addressing me when I say something about it, ok, but I again believe whoever is the Space Mafia is not a scum and just needs to speak up, just out of curiousity so we don't have to keep the suspicion alive that somebody has something weird and crazy going on. Many other people have been killed as "lurkers" or because people supposedly didn't know what faction they were. The Space Mafioso only has Backwards Logic and Roman's faction as enemies left anyway and good luck thinking you're going to accomplish a factional goal there just lurking on your own. You're only hurting yourself and I can promise you that other third party factions like me have no interest at all in going after any more people just for their factions, (as, well, thanks to many of those other random vigs my faction enemies are dead and we Pythons got lucky) solely want to get the chaotics.

[naut]

Ugh, so you claim having killed Believer on Night 7, dcmort on Night 8 and Link on Night 9, all of those with 20% chance?

And you failed from Night 1 to Night 6, but you attempted to kill someone every night?


Also, I'd like yo hear what you did on Night 8. You killed dcmort (20%) and what else?
My other actions have either been faction scans or stealing credits.

[Earthling]

Such fun things from earlier in the thread. Already got Renata's first great post where she conclusively proved ACIN had lied about a couple of things.

This is an interesting tidbit though.


Get out of here Renata. The more you have been babbling during this in-between phase, the more contempt you are getting from me.

I tell people to stop focusing on MRD-Earthling and it turns out MRD is innocent, I say we should stop focusing on the people talking and instead think beyond the 8 main contributors and look at those who have been lying low. Now you bring up three names of people who have been in the spotlight and assert that these people are suspicious.

Where is the pressure on dcmort? Crazed Rabbit? Robbiecon? Subotan? Warman? Red_Spy? landlubber? link?

It takes something to name 7 Innocents, not even any neutrals, but all evil-aligned, on your list of suspects. (edit - well Red_Spy was also a Lover, right, still don't know what that means but to not be misleading) Whatever happened to this, and never answering the below?


ACIN:

You do realize that at the time I accused them mythmonster and visorslash had posts in the same number range as at last a couple people on your list, right? That at the time I accused *him*, Greyblades had even fewer?

More to the point: where are Psychonaut and Greyblades in that list of every freaking lurker in the game, ACIN?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ok, next round from Earthling. What is this, round 4?


Such fun things from earlier in the thread. Already got Renata's first great post where she conclusively proved ACIN had lied about a couple of things.
Where is this post? You talk about it but failed to link to it.



This is an interesting tidbit though. Which you have taken as proof even though it probably won't mean a thing.



It takes something to name 7 Innocents, not even any neutrals, but all evil-aligned, on your list of suspects. (edit - well Red_Spy was also a Lover, right, still don't know what that means but to not be misleading) Whatever happened to this, and never answering the below?
Lol, you are such a try hard. I love it when try to take things out of context when it is obvious from the post that it is. As I said in the post you just quoted I had been talking about lynching lurkers since near the very beginning. Those people were on my list from waaaay before. Back when there was still 43 players left I started making that list. You gonna tell me I am scum because I picked 7 innocents out of 43+ total players?

Oh wait, I didn't pick 7 innocents, I picked one of the lovers who was supposed to be very bad for us if they met up or something. BUT DON'T FOCUS ON THAT ACIN IS GUILTY!

LOL PURE LIES WITH THAT RENATA POST! I didn't answer?

well renata, i am not as expert as you at mafia so i dont know how to verify the numbers of people's posts for 30+ pages. i seem to remember reading posts from greyblades but i will take the time to control-f his name and comb through past pages.

i have not been recording post counts, i just go off of what i remember reading over the past 4 days. lol compared to earthling everyone seems like a lurker so you may be right.

but all joking aside, your statement still is "meh" to me. lets say you are right, what evidence makes THESE lurkers worthy of all of our attention and why should we let those i listed slide?

At the time as I have said many times before, I thought Greyblades was innocent and being used as a scapegoat because I thought Renata was scummy. Psychonaut I don't remember why I didn't include him. I have to look back and see if he made anti-Renata statements, that might explain it.

My god, how many more times do I have to keep shutting down your poor arguments only to have you come back with lies and out of context statements?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm taking a break from this game. I can't keep wasting my last week before finals on refuting every lie that Earthling wants to pop out of his mouth. I will be afk until the last 2 hours of the round to check in. I'm not gonna get frustrated over you Earthling. This is just a game and you play it in a way that is insulting to me but whatever. Go claim Kage is lying about being silenced or something since only you seem to have all the answers and all the insight.

[Romanic]

Romanic, I will switch bets onto Psycho if you tell me either in private or public if you think my Seon theory has any validity. If you don't then I will leave it alone for now and see if it is more plausible tomorrow.

Yeah perhaps it does make sense, but I don't think lynching Seon is an option if he's really the killer. He's already dead, lynching him again will probably be a waste, and we cannot afford this.

[Romanic]

I'm taking a break from this game.

I'm really tired of reading that kind of stuff. I played a game on another site with 3-4 players who stopped playing because things didn't go their way. I don't care about these reactions anymore. If you can't handle being accused, don't play. Ciao.

[Winston Hughes]

Bet: 21 credits on Greyblades

I'm seeing that same slippery nature that nearly won him a recent vanilla game. He ignored Backwards Logic's accusation, and instead talked about what vigs should be doing, then provoked Earthling into yet more text-walling.

[seireikhaan]

Just a reminder that we're all here to have fun. :sunny:



Meanwhile, I will bet: 10 credits on greyblades.

[Greyblades]

I'm seeing that same slippery nature that nearly won him a recent vanilla game.
...Dude, thats just wrong, in that game I stayed out of the spotlight as much as I could, in this one I went into full crazy mode and went at reneta.

[Winston Hughes]

I didn't say you're being quiet again. I said you're being slippery again.

[Backwards Logic]

After some internal discussions, I've decided to reveal the scan results of last night.

I have scanned issaikhaan as Pyramid Head/Alessa's Wrath, a member of the Psychotic Mafia faction, and Evil. He's agreed to make this info public, and in turn will be taking some items for our use tonight.

Vote: Teleporter Pad to issaikhaan

I expect everyone else to follow suit with this vote.

[Winston Hughes]

unvote: Teleporter Pad to Kage
vote: Teleporter Pad to issaikhaan

[Greyblades]

If I was scum I wouldnt have gone through all that crud with reneta when I am fully capeable of being unnoticable for the majority of a game. Add that to actively trying to lynch a serial killer(reneta) and successfully lynching a chaotix(diamond eye) I am kinda annoyed that people are still hounding me especially seeing as actually managed to get out of suspicion as a townie without doing something utterly stupid for once.
I'm not chaotic because I helped kill a chaotic instead of a townie leader, as for a serial killer, well, I dont have the charisma to play the psychopath without lurking, as I'm pretty sure those who've played with me can attest. I know its WIFOM heavy but that's all I can offer

[Backwards Logic]

I know its WIFOM heavy but that's all I can offer

So, does this mean you're not going to vote the busdriver item to issaikhaan?

[Greyblades]

...Who is Issai... He changed his name again?
Sure, why not.
Vote: transporter to khaan
Vote: gorrilla vest to myself

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Teleporter pad to myself

[Romanic]

unvote: Teleport Pad; vote: Teleport Pad to khaan

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ok I am back. I don't mind being accused, Romanic, I was just cranky from having a solid 5 rounds in the octagon with Earthling for almost 24 hours straight (my first post this round was 5 pm my time yesterday and I left my computer around 6pm my time today).

I see we have a plan now.

Unvote Teleporter pad to myself
Vote: Teleporter Pad to Khaan

Also, because Romanic feels that my Seon theory is not worth going after.
Fold; Bet 20 cred on Psycho

[a completely inoffensive name]

New tally for everyone:

70 ACIN (10 Beefy, 60 Earthling)
80 Psycho (20 ACIN, 60 Romanic)
46 Greyblades (15 BL, 10 Khaan, 21 Winston Hughes)

EDIT: For items it looks clear that Kage is getting all items except for the teleporter pad.

[Askthepizzaguy]

7 out of 12 players wagering? Shameful.

[a completely inoffensive name]

7 out of 12 players wagering? Shameful.

Agreed.

[Backwards Logic]

To cover any shortfall:

Fold; Bet 30 credits on Psychonaut. Of ACIN and Psychonaut, I think Psychonaut is a bit more untrustworthy. He said some things about his vig actions which shouldn't be possible (I believe he mentioned something about failing vig actions six nights in a row at 20%) and it's been revealed Chaotics/Serial Killers can kill twice per night with two different kill methods. He's not exactly in the clear here, and I thought he was a bit jumpy when I pushed him earlier.

[Earthling]

Fold. Bet: 5 credits on Psychonaut. I'll be really disappointed if he's the Innocent Space mafia and not Greyblades and you didn't tell us, but he hasn't defended himself and is still a suspect at least. We'll see what happens, it's better than Seon at any rate.

unvote Teleporter Pad; vote: Teleporter Pad to khaan is fine as well.

[Seon]

You people don't lynch a known chaotic after HE CONFESSES?!

You people make me sick! WITH JOY!

[Romanic]

fold; bet 1 credit on Psychonaut

conserving credits if we're wrong, is a good idea.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Fold; bet 1 cred on Psychonaut Romanic has it right, don't waste credits.

[Earthling]

No, ACIN doesn't get away with spending no credits on the lynch.

Fold. Bet: 100 Credits on ACIN

[a completely inoffensive name]

fold Bet: 100 psycho

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh how entertaining.

What glorious pain awaits! How terrifying the end shall be!

What carnage! What destruction!

ROUND ENDED AT 0100. :evil:






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