Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, it would take a butt x-ray to find a major dump.





:creep:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: WOLFEN FIGHTER ITEM for myself.

Now that my midterms are over, I can get involved in this game for a good 2 weeks before my next round of tests.

[Beskar]

You know, it would take a butt x-ray to find a major dump.





:creep:

Even the Host agrees!

[Beskar]

Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for myself (Beskar), so I can combine it!

Also, it makes the mafia have to lynch me.

The rest of the items I will trade-vote with people, except for the Silencer, because you should be voting that to Major Robert Dump anyway.

[thefluffyone93]

.............
Unvote GAG; Vote GAG to Major Robert Dump

[Major Robert Dump]

ANOTHER FACTION ADDED TO THE MIX
THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL TO AROUND SIX
TWO SEVEN CARDS IN ONE FACTION JUST AS I SAID
YOU'LL SEE MORE MATCHES WHEN I AM DEAD
ALTHOUGH I WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING DEFENSIVE
I DO NOT WANT TO SEEM OFFENSIVE
SO THANKS FOR THE VOTE I DO SAY
DON'T MIND IF I DO TAKE THIS BUTT X-RAY


I'll vote later, bed time

(the above could be misinterpeted: No, I do not have a seven card. But I do match with someone already dead)

[Backwards Logic]

Suck it Ganondorf! That's what you get for picking on a turtle!

In other news, I would appreciate it greatly if I could be revived. I'd like to think I'd be an asset, you know, wink wink, nod nod, because I'm like, you know, awesome and all... Just a thought.

[thefluffyone93]

Does anyone know of any Monty Python characters that speak in rhymes?
Unless he belongs to the bizarro faction.

And tell us, any item in particular you want?

meh, whatever.

Vote: Wolfen Fighter for myself
Vote: Porcupine Quills for Major Robert Dump

oh, and
Unvote GAG; Vote GAG for myself


Just use this posts to tally my votes; I ain't changing them again!

[Jolt]

What the hell is a bus driver item?

And lil' ol' beefy is a lil' bit too quiet for my taste.

[Earthling]

https://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6484/pic2va.png (https://img819.imageshack.us/i/pic2va.png/)

https://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5070/pic1qy.jpg (https://img560.imageshack.us/i/pic1qy.jpg/)

[Askthepizzaguy]

What the hell is a bus driver item?

And lil' ol' beefy is a lil' bit too quiet for my taste.

A Bus Driver item (or ability) targets any two different players of your choosing and switches them.

Any effect (such as investigation, protection, murder...) will be deflected to the other target, and vice-versa, for all effects going to a target.

Does not apply to actions coming from the target.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oops, forgot. You can also vote on the Custom Desert Eagle that you guys voted to Arpeggiate yesterday.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/DesertEagleIsometric.png



Custom Desert Eagle: 10% retaliatory kill chance. (Branagh's Custom Desert Eagle)




Also, everyone should have result PMs except folks I'm replacing. If you spot an error, PM me.

[Beefy187]

What the hell is a bus driver item?

And lil' ol' beefy is a lil' bit too quiet for my taste.

I was thinking how to play this out.
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for my self

Just so I get some attention on me.

I was thinking if I should play the usual innocent Beefy, or completely Evil and insane Beefy to suit this game.

[Choxorn]

Vote: Gag to MRD
Vote: Rope to choxorn

Can I have the rope? I already have one bus driver item, this increases my chances of it actually working.

[Diamondeye]

MRD you can have the gag if you promise to use it on Earthling every night.

[naut]

MRD you can have the gag if you promise to use it on Earthling every night.
Oooooooooooooooo kinky

[Visor]

Quills to myself.

Wll be actually betting later and voting for other items to other people later as well.

[robbiecon]

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER to myself

Bet: 5 credits on God Emperor I've got it on good authority that you are totally mad, my dear sir.

[Visor]

Mad don't mean bad.

[Renata]

To me --

* Fire Brother's FIREBALL (10% retaliatory item) ( :evil: )
* Sideshow Bob's GAG (50% SILENCER item) (Come on, I like totally deserve this.)

To choxorn --

* Sideshow Bob's ROPE (10% bus driver item) (I scratch your back, you scratch mine, hmmm? But we talk, yes/yes?)

[Believer]

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.
Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.

Vote: Fire Brother's FIREBALL (10% retaliatory item) to Renata.
Vote: Sideshow Bob's GAG (50% SILENCER item) to Renata.

Vote: Sideshow Bob's ROPE (10% bus driver item) to Choxorn.

[Renata]

Okay, snookums.

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.
Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.[/QUOTE]

[Believer]

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle: 10% retaliatory kill chance. (Branagh's Custom Desert Eagle) to God Emperor.

Cute.

[shlin28]

*sigh*

Typical really, lost my hard-won item to a thief. I imagine there was a lot of stealing attempts last night on all those who won items. Anyone else got a similar experience to me?

Various stuff from the write-up that struck me as mildly important:


Relatively quiet people were killed, I would have expected the more talkative players to be silenced, but I guess in a game governed by such strict rules on talking it wouldn't have mattered much... still, it tells us a little about their strategy, I think.
I was having some unfounded suspicion on Arpeg because of his blatant vote-selling, so I wasn't too surprised by the fact that Arpeg was a serial killer. Guess the policy giving one item to one person worked! Also got some questions for Subotan and others who (I think) gave item votes to Arpeg for several items without justification/before Arpeg started to publicly deal in votes - a sign of co-operation mayhap? It is more possible that they were of the same Mafia faction instead of being co-operative SKs of course.
At least 2 other factions still has not suffered any kills... very lucky? or simply very organised/aligned with Chaos?

Also, right now I think we should stick 1 credit wagers, as some person a few pages before said.

Bet: 1 Credit on Subotan for not explaining his vote on YLC and possibly colluding with Arpeg by voting him items for no reason. Item votes will come later when I get back and look over the thread again.

[Chaotix]

Vote: RED SHELL (10% vigilante item) to Beefy187
Vote: WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to robbiecon
Vote: PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Visorslash
Vote: FIREBALL (10% retaliatory item) to Renata
Vote: ROPE(10% bus driver item) to myself
Vote: GAG (50% SILENCER item) to myself
Vote: CUSTOM DESERT EAGLE (10% retaliatory kill chance) to robbiecon

I want the ROPE in particular, because I've already got a Bus Driver item and I want to combine them. I'll support other voters in exchange for support myself.

Also, I need the rest of the MIDDLE EASTERN MAFIA (Hussein, bin Laden, Ahmadenijad, etc.) to contact me already so we can get working together.

No bet, yet, gonna wait it out.

[God Emperor]

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.

Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself


Quills to myself.

Wll be actually betting later and voting for other items to other people later as well.


Why is it you need to inform us of this? to me this seems like you feel the need to inform and convince people that you actually are an active townie

[Zack]

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself
Vote: Rope to choxorn
Vote: Fireball to Renata
Vote: Gag to Renata

Bet: 15 credits on ACIN

[God Emperor]

Indeed. Bet: 8 credit on ACIN :bow:

[Renata]

Woot.

Bet: 1 credit on ACIN OMGUS. And you're scummy, too.

:bow: to Zack.

Custom Desert Eagle to Zack

[dcmort93]

For now I'll Bet: 5 credits on Subotan

[Beskar]

* Sideshow Bob's GAG (50% SILENCER item) (Come on, I like totally deserve this.)

All the Butt Xrays belong to MRD.

Bet 1: Renata

[Death is yonder]

*sigh*

Typical really, lost my hard-won item to a thief. I imagine there was a lot of stealing attempts last night on all those who won items. Anyone else got a similar experience to me?


I wouldn't be informed about any unsuccessful attempts but I guess your experience is most likely shared (if at all) by recipients of unique items (IIRC yours was the only bullet-proof item), as the majority were retaliation items.

Vote:
Rope to Choxorn (10% bus driver item)
Gag to MRD (50% SILENCER item)
Fireball to shlin28 (10% retaliatory item)
Custom Desert Eagle to shlin28
Red shell to Beskar (10% vigilante item)
Wolfen Fighter to DiY (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory)
Porcupine Quills to Visorslash (10% defender item)

Pretty comfortable in giving shlin two retaliatory items based on what has transpired thus far and also in comparison to other possible candidates for items.

On matters of betting, I think that God Emperor deserves a higher wager :yes:

Bet 3 Credits: God Emperor

Interesting to note this accusation and his subsequent response to it:



Bet: 5 credits on God Emperor I've got it on good authority that you are totally mad, my dear sir.


Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.

Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself

Why is it you need to inform us of this? to me this seems like you feel the need to inform and convince people that you actually are an active townie

Ignores the accusation calmly, and even quotes a post to dish out attention elsewhere (which even happens to just be above the post which accuses him)


Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself
Vote: Rope to choxorn
Vote: Fireball to Renata
Vote: Gag to Renata

Bet: 15 credits on ACIN


Indeed. Bet: 8 credit on ACIN :bow:

Latched on very quickly to save his skin, not to mention clearly attempting to quietly deflect attention, worth at least a second look into methinks.

[Renata]

Bite me, Beskar.

Some comments on the deaths:

The Flax looks the likeliest to have been Arpeg's night one victim. Both attacks are described as a dark figure, with mention of orbs of dark energy or similar.

Classical_hero and Diana Abnoba may have been killed by the same player. The descriptors don't match at all, but they don't contradict either, and the other kills all mostly do. Together, you'd get a masked figure with green eyes, killing with a chainsaw (devastating weapon). Does that match anyone in the potential character list? (And if not, anyone from a different mafia game that ATPG didn't run? Seon's real role was from Shadow Fort and Arpeg's from Legend of Zelda.)

Possibly (just possibly), B-ray's night one death and the attack on the Black Knight on night two are linked. B-ray's described as being attacked by a dark figure using a burst of energy that blows him apart. The Black Knight's arm is "blasted" off by a "strange being".

At a minimum, the following deaths don't seem to match anyone on other nights:
Kagemusha, night one: fireballs or some such, massive towering figure
Csargo, night two: muscular figure with black wings and a spiked mace

Similarly to above, do these match any known characters? Csargo's killer in particular is very specifically described.

One vig item was reassigned during day one, but it was a killer rabbit, so obviously not linked to anything public.

[Renata]

GE and I were talking about suspects just prior to those posts, DiY. He didn't seem un-townie to me.


I wouldn't be informed about any unsuccessful attempts but I guess your experience is most likely shared (if at all) by recipients of unique items (IIRC yours was the only bullet-proof item), as the majority were retaliation items.

What does this have to do with anything?



Pretty comfortable in giving shlin two retaliatory items based on what has transpired thus far and also in comparison to other possible candidates for items.

Shlin having a bullet-proof item stolen from him is evidence that he might need retaliatory items? What does one have to do with the other?

[Seon]

Hey Renata, how's life? I hope it's going good.

BECAUSE I AM A PANCAKE.

[Renata]

It's going fine. Are you going to defend yourself over in NOTW?

[thefluffyone93]

Hey Renata, how's life? I hope it's going good.

BECAUSE I AM A PANCAKE.

With my special syrup?
Cuz thats the only way to get dem PANCAKE LADIES.
With my special syrup.

[Earthling]

Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me.

vote: Chaotix for the ROPE which is a great idea on top of what I have to say next.

Vote: Earthling for the RED SHELL, QUILLS, and CUSTOME DESERT EAGLE
Also, vote: Earthling for the WOLFEN FIGTHER only as I have no one else to trust right now, though I'd be happy to give this to someone else later too.

Now, here's what is really important. The last night might well have been the luckiest night ever in a mafia game and we have huge opportunities moving ahead here. There's a ton of things I'd like to talk about or try but I'd wait on collective input, if you people are interested in factional infighting or such petty stuff there's no point in me getting in the way of that right now.

However, what I'd like to hear is if we can get about 7 folks who can promise to put defeating the chaotics ahead of other goals. Need that made clear in thread unless you have another way, a faction reveal would be nice. I'd be doing the same in any of these scenarios about myself, pretty soon too if that wasn't clear, but we need more of that.

Alternatively, I need to hear from just one person who can promise 100% bus driver success in the forseeable future and have some way to maintain this in the event of their death. Or if it requires more people or whatever, just somehow on the bus driving, whatever it is.

Hopefully we can get comments on the above by about halfway through the day and I'm ready to get back to you all. And actual comments of course, not OMGUS style votes because of this proposal, I'd ignore those.

I obviously think Major Robert Dump should role reveal or die today. If you asked for my quick thoughts - I was suspicious of ArpTHIS last night for getting into the whole silencing discussion, and MRD also traded item votes to ArpTHIS yesterday on top of possible chaotic connections already described.

However I'll throw this in - for every accurate and precise detail about his character that he reveals, presuming it also indicates his Innocence (evil), I'll do the same, revealing the same details about me that is regardless of the above. Just for kicks, throw some zaniness into this game.

Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump

[Seon]

Well, that is good to hear. Say, want to grab some breakfast at the El Gigante? I heard that the pancakes they serve there is quite tasty. And quite flat. And quite dead.


...maybe?

[Diana Abnoba]

Man killed already again. Dang anti-mafia, how dare you close my massive vortex thingy on me.

[Earthling]

Ok, voted in the wrong color and also wanted to vote the Silencer item to Renata so:

vote:
RED SHELL, WOLFEN FIGHTER, PORCUPINE QUILLS, FIREBALL, CUSTOM DESERT EAGLE to Earthling
ROPE to Chaotix
GAG to Renata

[Seon]

Hey guys!


All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain..we can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper


So who wants to die tonight?

[Diamondeye]

Red Shell to Beefy :curtain:
Fireball to Renata
Gag to MRD
Rope, fighter and Quills to myself

Bet 3 on Subotan

GE doesn't strike me as scum from his posts either, haven't talked to him about the game but I'll go to his place tomorrow and interrogate him face-to-face :tongue:.

[Diamondeye]

So who wants to die tonight?

I heard Earthling would rather stay alive and be gagged than die. Please. Go kill lurkers instead.

[God Emperor]

Although Renata has replied to parts of your post DiY, I might give you a reply as well :)

It is true that I do not pay attention much attention to the vote on me... simply because there is nothing to reply to, imo. That I question Visorslash's post, is not related to the vote on me; I question it because it really catches my attention.
As for the vote on ACIN, as Renata says, it is based on some private talk about the bandwagon on her yesterday. I might be fetching quotes later on (I don't have the time right now) , but go back and focus on his posts yesterday. They include opportunistic voting, long explanations, odd focus on exams, forgetting who he is voting for (suspicious of) , and a scummy comment on retaliation items.

[shlin28]

Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me.

vote: Chaotix for the ROPE which is a great idea on top of what I have to say next.

Vote: Earthling for the RED SHELL, QUILLS, and CUSTOME DESERT EAGLE
Also, vote: Earthling for the WOLFEN FIGTHER only as I have no one else to trust right now, though I'd be happy to give this to someone else later too.

Now, here's what is really important. The last night might well have been the luckiest night ever in a mafia game and we have huge opportunities moving ahead here. There's a ton of things I'd like to talk about or try but I'd wait on collective input, if you people are interested in factional infighting or such petty stuff there's no point in me getting in the way of that right now.

However, what I'd like to hear is if we can get about 7 folks who can promise to put defeating the chaotics ahead of other goals. Need that made clear in thread unless you have another way, a faction reveal would be nice. I'd be doing the same in any of these scenarios about myself, pretty soon too if that wasn't clear, but we need more of that.

Alternatively, I need to hear from just one person who can promise 100% bus driver success in the forseeable future and have some way to maintain this in the event of their death. Or if it requires more people or whatever, just somehow on the bus driving, whatever it is.

Hopefully we can get comments on the above by about halfway through the day and I'm ready to get back to you all. And actual comments of course, not OMGUS style votes because of this proposal, I'd ignore those.

I obviously think Major Robert Dump should role reveal or die today. If you asked for my quick thoughts - I was suspicious of ArpTHIS last night for getting into the whole silencing discussion, and MRD also traded item votes to ArpTHIS yesterday on top of possible chaotic connections already described.

However I'll throw this in - for every accurate and precise detail about his character that he reveals, presuming it also indicates his Innocence (evil), I'll do the same, revealing the same details about me that is regardless of the above. Just for kicks, throw some zaniness into this game.

Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump

That's asking for an awful lot without giving any explanations. Sure, I am very willing to throw aside my faction goal to go for the townie victory, but I have many many doubts about this, which include:


Chaotix? Really? I am assuming you are working together, because otherwise this whole thing is just ridiculous. "I have a bus driver item, gimme more" is not a good enough explanation. He was also acting very scummy last day phase IMO.
Why should we trust you? and why is MRD more suspicious than you? Frankly after your night-time conversation both of you came out equally suspicious to me, not to mention Renata, Chaotix, Subotan and some interesting posters this day phase.
You need a bus driver to presumably protect yourself, so why the need for other protective items? I cannot think of another use of the bus driver, please enlighten me.
If you are gonna persuade 7 people to help you, including people with powerful items like the ROPE, you really should reveal what you are. Keeping it a secret brings you no advantages as you will be targeted for saying what you just did. Why should 7 others risk their lives for you? After all, they will be exposing themselves to people who will kill them to get them closer to a faction victory.
Your reasoning is appalling - "If there's faction conflict, I won't use my very useful knowledge to stop it". IF you are really not a scum, just tell the truth.

I'm sure I can think of more reasons, but for now, I will not help you. :no:

[Earthling]

I'm sure you could have more reasons, but you've said all that needs to be said. You are probably already committing yourself to killing some other faction in your own factional goals, or you're one of the scums, or a thief, etc...

And like I said, this'll need significant feedback from everyone to hear where it goes, I'm giving it until halfway through this day before I have more to reveal anyway. If you're interested you know who you are and here's an easy way to do what you need to do, just state your interest clearly in focusing on defeating the chaotics. Already several factions have been devastated by nightkills so I think there's enough of us to attempt to put defeating the chaotics ahead of hunting down random stray people, especially when we have the really good fortune of a chaotic and a serial killer already dead.

[Ironside]

Vote:
PORCUPINE QUILLS, FIREBALL, Custom Desert Eagle for myself

I'll fix it down to one item for and the rest of the voting later.

Bet: 2 credits on Subotan

Early voting on Arpeg and had an odd betting choise from yesterday.

[ByzantineKnight]

Do not give two retaliatory items to any one player.

1) We have no guarantee they can stack even though it is quite possible.
2) If mafia collect them then we have no defense.
3) If we give them all to one player the anti-mafia will just wait to lynch him.
4) After the recent (and constant) success with retaliatory items, the more people the anti-mafia are afraid of attacking the better.
5) I said so.
6) 10% seems to work fine. E.g. Seon (a.k.a The Pancake with fluffy's special sauce)

FoS: People who didn't catch on to this... because chances are they have already caught on to this and they're just pretending they haven't.

[shlin28]

I'm sure you could have more reasons, but you've said all that needs to be said. You are probably already committing yourself to killing some other faction in your own factional goals, or you're one of the scums, or a thief, etc...

And like I said, this'll need significant feedback from everyone to hear where it goes, I'm giving it until halfway through this day before I have more to reveal anyway. If you're interested you know who you are and here's an easy way to do what you need to do, just state your interest clearly in focusing on defeating the chaotics. Already several factions have been devastated by nightkills so I think there's enough of us to attempt to put defeating the chaotics ahead of hunting down random stray people, especially when we have the really good fortune of a chaotic and a serial killer already dead.

In that case, any argument against your plan would be useless. You have already accused MRD (and vice versa actually) just because the two of you were arguing, now you are doing the same with me. When I post a reasonable rebuttal, clearly stating my stance on the factions, you say I am in fact determined to fulfil my faction goals. Disagreeing with your position and asking for some answers to assuage my doubt does not mean that I have ulterior motives.

Edit: Also, BK is absolutely correct, how can people even willingly help others in gaining 2 items or more? Hell, some are even giving away votes for the GAG and the ROPE, the 2 most powerful items right now, to the same person... please, think before you vote!

[Csargo]

Dead again in the second round.

[Diamondeye]

Everyone knows that whoever argues against Earthling can't be a townie. It's his favourite hypothesis and it has never failed him before.

Earthling, I am not a vampire.

[El Barto]

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

[ByzantineKnight]

Dead again in the second round.

S'okay Csargo the National Observational Natural-Scientists Collaborating Under Me still love you!

You shall be avenged!!

EDIT:

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

How could you be wrong? Don't second guess yourself!! We are looking for someone in the Python Mafia. All Python Mafia should reveal to us ^_^ Or just send the thread a cryptic message like:

Hi I am either scum or someone who mistakenly thinks its okay to kill townies on the off-chance I manage to hit a scum. I know that based off of the setup of the game I am very unlikely to be able to hit a scum but its totally pro-town to hit townies because I think they are scummy. Also you should lynch me because I am the Black Knight.

Something like that should work.

[Red_Spy]

Items: Abstain
5 credits to Subotan

[Renata]

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

You have an excellent command of the obvious. :thumbsup:

Not meaning to give you a hard time, but it's the other characters I'd like identified, if possible.

[ByzantineKnight]

Items: Abstain
5 credits to Subotan

Why?



You have an excellent command of the obvious. :thumbsup:

Not meaning to give you a hard time, but it's the other characters I'd like identified, if possible.

Don't listen to her! I know you are a genius!!

[Skooma Addict]

I was thinking how to play this out.
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for my self

Just so I get some attention on me.

I was thinking if I should play the usual innocent Beefy, or completely Evil and insane Beefy to suit this game.
Whichever one puts you on my BBQ quicker.

I think Fire Brothers FIREBALL to myself would help sear you pretty good.
Hammer Brothers RED SHELL to Beefy
Sideshow Bob's GAG to MRD
Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER to Bow-wow-wow If I'm not mistaken, he should be able to combine this with his other scanner.


Wager 5 credits on Beskar

[Subotan]

Also....I want to ask Subotan why he started the 20 credit wager on YLC, as it seems a tad too much just to pressure a lurker (and so I voted with him, assuming that he actually has a credible reason for doing so).
Because I wanted to lodge a vote as I was AFK for the rest of the phase, and because lodging votes that aren't the maximum wager is for wimps.

Bet: 30 Credits on Earthling, as it will end the obscure debate between MRD and him, and Earthling is coming out with more contradictions.

Also, lol @ arpTHIS for trying to play me for a fool :]

[Romanic]

For now I'll Bet: 5 credits on Subotan

Why are you voting Subotan?

Bet: 30 credits dcmort

[Major Robert Dump]

Dear Earthling,

I apologize for the fight we had last night. FYI other people traded item votes with ARPthis long before I did, I only got into the mix because no one was voting me anything and I started PMing people asking to coordinate, I PMd a couple people and they helped me, but I did not PM you because of the restraining order. Other players have confirmed there are at least 2 more factions besides the obvious six, which puts them in great danger actually, but you have not accused them of anything like you accused me when I suggested that there were that many factions. I promise to love you always, baby. You also say you wan't very accurate and precise details that prove my innocence and you will do the same for me, but you always say you will do the same for me, like that time with the watermelon and crisco, but in the end I just end up hurt and lonely and on the phone with mama. How can anyone prove either of us is telling the truth about our factions or that cruise with Tyrone without a detective/faction scan, which takes a night phase, so at that point why even reveal at all and put ourselves in danger when we are gonna get uncovered anyway. I only hit you because I love you.


Please come back to me

MRD

P.S. This Butt X-ray didn't come with any instructions. Can I borrow the instructions that came with yours?

[Jolt]

Why are you voting Subotan?

Bet: 30 credits dcmort

Why shouldn't he?

Bet: 1 credit on Romanic

[Romanic]

Why shouldn't he?

Bet: 1 credit on Romanic
I'm not saying he shouldn't, but I want to know why he's doing it.

[thefluffyone93]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
MEMEGENERATOR.NET IS DOWN!

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And I have a bus driver item as well.....
why should Chaotix get it?

[Subotan]

I was suspicious of ArpTHIS last night for getting into the whole silencing discussion,
Should have said in-thread then. Die, scum.

[Jolt]

I'm not saying he shouldn't, but I want to know why he's doing it.

By voting 30 credits, you make it look like you already know why.

[ByzantineKnight]

By voting 30 credits, you make it look like you already know why.

Voting 30 credits is less scummy than voting 1 credit.

[Greyblades]

Vote: porcupine Quills for myself

[Diamondeye]

Dear Earthling,

I apologize for the fight we had last night. FYI other people traded item votes with ARPthis long before I did, I only got into the mix because no one was voting me anything and I started PMing people asking to coordinate, I PMd a couple people and they helped me, but I did not PM you because of the restraining order. Other players have confirmed there are at least 2 more factions besides the obvious six, which puts them in great danger actually, but you have not accused them of anything like you accused me when I suggested that there were that many factions. I promise to love you always, baby. You also say you wan't very accurate and precise details that prove my innocence and you will do the same for me, but you always say you will do the same for me, like that time with the watermelon and crisco, but in the end I just end up hurt and lonely and on the phone with mama. How can anyone prove either of us is telling the truth about our factions or that cruise with Tyrone without a detective/faction scan, which takes a night phase, so at that point why even reveal at all and put ourselves in danger when we are gonna get uncovered anyway. I only hit you because I love you.


Please come back to me

MRD

P.S. This Butt X-ray didn't come with any instructions. Can I borrow the instructions that came with yours?

I love you unconditionally for this, MRD.

[mythmonster2]

Romanic sure seems to be retaliatory and perhaps protective of Subotan. Honestly, 30 credits? A bit much, don't you think? I'll give you a reason to start explaining.

Bet: 8 credits on Subotan

Also, time I get into this "item" thing.
Vote: Red shell to myself

[dcmort93]

Why are you voting Subotan?

Bet: 30 credits dcmort
Because the case on him has seemed rather valid and I didn't really have the time to reread the thread. Now that I have had time my vote will still stand

[Zack]

VOTE FOR ACIN!!!!

Grrrrr

[thefluffyone93]

So.....many......arguments......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfuTDbdKoY

But then again.....this is a mafia game.

BUT THEN AGAIN....
It gives me a reason to play the Beatles!

[Bow-wow-wow]

Whichever one puts you on my BBQ quicker.

I think Fire Brothers FIREBALL to myself would help sear you pretty good.
Hammer Brothers RED SHELL to Beefy
Sideshow Bob's GAG to MRD
Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER to Bow-wow-wow If I'm not mistaken, he should be able to combine this with his other scanner.


Wager 5 credits on Beskar



Yes, this is true I would be able to combine my scanners. I don't want to take all the items but it would be more efficeint for me to have those scanners so I can combine them.

I will take one for the team here.

Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER to Bow-wow-wow (me)

[a completely inoffensive name]

So.....many......arguments......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfuTDbdKoY

But then again.....this is a mafia game.

BUT THEN AGAIN....
It gives me a reason to play the Beatles!

<3 Will make a detailed post in about...2.5 hours when I'm done with uni stuff.

[Zack]

So, ACIN just flipped out at me in private and starting dropping f-bombs. He is really, really upset about being accused, just as he has been since I first bet on him (look it up).

[Bow-wow-wow]

For my vote I wasa originally going after Subotan but I have had a change of heart. I still think Renata is chaotic but I don't think I will be able to convince everybody just yet. Let's just say that when I die, you will know who did it.

Anyway I have a new suspicion of one of the frontrunners. I am not going to bet 30 credits but I will help the cause.

Bet:5 Credits on Earthling

[a completely inoffensive name]

So, ACIN just flipped out at me in private and starting dropping f-bombs. He is really, really upset about being accused, just as he has been since I first bet on him (look it up).

And now you are taking me out of context. Whatever man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And now you are taking me out of context. Whatever man. [snip]



Please retract this post, as it violates the sportsmanship/conduct rule in my game rules, as well as the posted rules for the gameroom section.

[GamezRule]

Hey guys!


All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain..we can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper


So who wants to die tonight?

bet: 3 credits on Seon

[Beskar]

Yes, this is true I would be able to combine my scanners. I don't want to take all the items but it would be more efficeint for me to have those scanners so I can combine them.

Is it a man? is it a pig? No, it's Bow-wow-wow-rawr-bow-chicka-bow-wow.

[Seon]

bet: 3 credits on Seon

You can't kill me, I am protected by a body of a bulletproof 10 ton mutant giant lying on top of me.

[Believer]

Bet: 5 credits on ACIN

I am willing to trade votes for the WOLFEN FIGHTER and the PORCUPINE QUILLS if anyone is interested.

[thefluffyone93]

You can't kill me, I am protected by a body of a bulletproof 10 ton mutant giant lying on top of me.

An unbeatable defense.....being dead.
YOUR STRATEGY IS WITHOUT FAIL.

[Jolt]

Voting 30 credits is less scummy than voting 1 credit.

Depends on the prespective. As seen last day, B_Ray was getting heat for voting maximum credits to lynch a townie.

As there is currently no major suspect or groups of suspects that sparks my attention or the town's attention for that matter, why will I needlessly waste valuable credits that I may well need them later on? As such, how is voting 1 credit scummy?

EDIT: And since whoever voted for Subotan voted him, as other people are being voted, and the response was Romanic's maximum voting for him, Romanic's reaction seemed quite odd and extreme.

[robbiecon]

So.....many......arguments......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfuTDbdKoY

But then again.....this is a mafia game.

BUT THEN AGAIN....
It gives me a reason to play the Beatles!

"[I]IT's exactly what I've been trying to say, I mean can't we all just be friends, and get high and stuff. Togo Party anyone? I've got my Sitar!"

[Bow-wow-wow]

So, ACIN just flipped out at me in private and starting dropping f-bombs. He is really, really upset about being accused, just as he has been since I first bet on him (look it up).

Well he needs to calm down, I flip out and throw a temper tantrum whenever I get voted but I'm not going to go around cursing people out. I would vote for him but that isn't really a good enough reason to lynch somebody.

[Zack]

Well he needs to calm down, I flip out and throw a temper tantrum whenever I get voted but I'm not going to go around cursing people out. I would vote for him but that isn't really a good enough reason to lynch somebody.

That's not the reason!!!!

Look at his posts! They reek of scumminess!

[naut]

[in a Liverpool accent] "IT's exactly what I've been trying to say, I mean can't we all just be friends, and get high and stuff. Togo Party anyone? I've got my Sitar!"

https://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9669/countrymaptogofren.gif

Togo Party?

[johnhughthom]

https://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9669/countrymaptogofren.gif

Togo Party?

Just don't invite Adebayor. :wink:

[El Barto]

How could you be wrong? Don't second guess yourself!! We are looking for someone in the Python Mafia. All Python Mafia should reveal to us ^_^ Or just send the thread a cryptic message like:

Hi I am either scum or someone who mistakenly thinks its okay to kill townies on the off-chance I manage to hit a scum. I know that based off of the setup of the game I am very unlikely to be able to hit a scum but its totally pro-town to hit townies because I think they are scummy. Also you should lynch me because I am the Black Knight.

Something like that should work.
Hmmm…


Hi, I'm not scum but then again I'm merely a survivor who can make lynches fail -both against himself and others- by day and who is bulletproof and can kill one people by night. I'm also unscannable and kill proceed to kill one person each night until everybody is dead I find a scummer.

Will that do?

You have an excellent command of the obvious. :thumbsup:
Sarcasm detector not working for you, Ren?

Not meaning to give you a hard time, but it's the other characters I'd like identified, if possible.
Riiight… one of the victims was one of the turtles from pizza's Mario game.

Don't listen to her! I know you are a genius!!
And how would you know?

You can't kill me, I am protected by a body of a bulletproof 10 ton mutant giant lying on top of me.
You mocking us, Seon?

[Seon]

You mocking us, Seon?

Surely not. I am behind the town 100%. See, I even stopped that guy from wasting his money foolishly.

[Earthling]

Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals and strategy.

A couple specifics on other things though.

Bow-wow-wow, you're not getting that scanner item on such dubious reasoning. It also directly contradicts the notion some people have to not let people have duplicates of any items and combine them, though I don't personally agree with that either. I would suggest that if I get it I'd be revealing the results to the town at large, though you have yet to do so, it would be a nice townie thing to do.

I'm also really surprised no one is bringing anything forward, especially on folks like B_ray or MRD for likely being behind the massacre of the "Evil" mafia faction. That brings me to this though, see if we can get anyone to actually consider the position we're in one more time.

I'd especially recommend that members of the following factions come forward - the Monty Python faction, the Bizarro faction, and the Evil faction. In fact I actually know the identities of a couple of you and I'm being kind enough not to reveal you publicly now or try to blackmail you or anything, to avoid factional infighting. As it stands though all of these factions are almost completely wiped out, and any remaining members who are purposefully hiding might just be cover roles for chaotic or neutral folks since a lot of the dead here are standard evil mafia. You gain nothing from trying to plot any more factional revenge but it bring bad things for all of us collectively. Yes, it's likely there are a couple large factions (Star Trek, Star Wars) out there with none of their members dead yet who are trying to plot against their rival (I would guess those two are mutual rivals anyway though). But the rest of us, really need to organize on an anti-chaotic agenda.

[Renata]

Romanic sure seems to be retaliatory and perhaps protective of Subotan. Honestly, 30 credits? A bit much, don't you think? I'll give you a reason to start explaining.

Bet: 8 credits on Subotan

Good lord, it's me and Seon all over again. Accuse Romanic of protecting *ACIN*, maybe, that would at least make some sense.

@ Zack -- I empathize and will post the full case tomorrow if GE doesn't follow through first.

[naut]

Finally a few of you have realised acin acting a little scummy, could have done so last round, when I suggested it earlier, like maybe last round, you know when I suggested it before, the round that was before this one, the one preceding this particular round of voting but subsequent to the first round.

Bet: 5 credits on acin


Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals and strategy.
Pro-tip: Seon = Chaotic. Ignore everything he says.



I am willing to trade votes for the WOLFEN FIGHTER and the PORCUPINE QUILLS if anyone is interested.
=)

Vote: Wolfen Fighter to Believer
Vote: Porcupine Quills to myself

[a completely inoffensive name]

I sent Zack a PM so before you all bandwagon me, let him read it first.

Honestly guys, this is the 4th mafia game in a row where I am accused of being scummy within the first 4 days and people bandwagon me to death. I haven't played a real game since Star Wars Mafia.

Do you want me to change my playing style? Because I have been Mr. Scummy since 2009 with Pirate Ship Mafia but only since Star Wars has it been ok to always go to ACIN when there is no other people with a solid case against. Whatever.

[Major Robert Dump]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

[Chaotix]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

That's actually sound enough for me.

Bet: 2 Credits on Civplayah

Not a whole lot of weight, but as it turns out my own credits were stolen last night as well. I'd rather conserve what I have left.

[Zack]

I read ACIN's PM, and the general gist of is was that while he admits to being intentionally scummy in previous games, this game he is trying to reverse the trend (unless I misunderstood). I don't see why this would deter me, honestly. If he's not actively trying to be scummy like in the past, then he's being genuinely scummy.


Finally a few of you have realised acin acting a little scummy, could have done so last round, when I suggested it earlier

I suggested it first, I believe.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bet: 1 credit on Civplayah

Seems as good of a choice as any.

Also, everyone trying to get the custom desert eagle; be aware it gives a -50% to attacking chance.

CR

[El Barto]

I read ACIN's PM, and the general gist of is was that while he admits to being intentionally scummy in previous games, this game he is trying to reverse the trend (unless I misunderstood). I don't see why this would deter me, honestly. If he's not actively trying to be scummy like in the past, then he's being genuinely scummy.
Apparently acin is like me, the unscummier he appears then the scummier he really is?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I read ACIN's PM, and the general gist of is was that while he admits to being intentionally scummy in previous games, this game he is trying to reverse the trend (unless I misunderstood). I don't see why this would deter me, honestly. If he's not actively trying to be scummy like in the past, then he's being genuinely scummy.

Well, I understand. It's WIFOM. At this point there is nothing that would convince you otherwise than an illegal role reveal. What I said was true, and I am sticking by it. I am going to participate in a mafia game and have a discussion with people, even if it is just for a short while.

How here is what I think which I have been working on since late monday.
Bet: 19 credits on Civplayah
Not having credits to steal when you are supposed to be inactive is more proof of "scummyness" imo than of anything else that has been said in this thread. I think this is crucial evidence and as of right now I trust MRD with his word.

More over, Chaotix had his credits stolen. Early on in the first round I believe there was pressure on him to be lynched. Something is a bit fishy about those two events imo. MRD suggested in post#369 that it is possible that someone might be stealing credits to fuel more paid vigilante kills. If this is the case, then there might be no connection between Chaotic being pressured and him having his credits stolen soon after.

The Earthling-MRD text war seems nothing more to me than two townies both innocent just arguing over some misinterpreted posts. I don't think there is anything there.

shlin28 had his item stolen as shown in post #524. If I remember correctly it was the Puffy Shirt which gives a 10% bulletproof benefit. The question I pose to ATPG is this:
If someone were to try to kill someone with retaliation ability, would this puffy shirt benefit give an added defense to a possible retaliation strike?
We have already seen a serial killer and one of the chaotic members killed by retaliation, it is probably one of the more powerful tools against the chaotic/anti-town forces. I have a feeling that there might be a killer out there stealing credits and items to protect themselves in the long run against possible retaliations.

Now a serial killer would not have any money. This person would also probably be laying low so they don't attract attention. The less someone talks about the serial killer, the more safe he/she probably feels. At least, I don't recall any serial killers from previous games that were very talkative in the thread.

Who is out of credits? civplayah is. Who is supposedly "inactive?" civplayah is. I think with the info that I have written down, it is the best shot.

I will say however, that I am not 100% sure on this. If civplayah really is inactive, his credits could be gone precisely because the serial killer/chaotic member stole them from him and figured he would not tell anyone about the missing credits because civplayah really is away right now.

Those are my thoughts over the past day. What do you guys think?

[B-Wing]

I would suggest that if I get it I'd be revealing the results [of the scans] to the town at large, though you have yet to do so, it would be a nice townie thing to do.

[...]

I'd especially recommend that members of the following factions come forward - the Monty Python faction, the Bizarro faction, and the Evil faction.

[...]

But the rest of us, really need to organize on an anti-chaotic agenda.

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If someone were to try to kill someone with retaliation ability, would this puffy shirt benefit give an added defense to a possible retaliation strike?

Nope. A retaliation is blow-back from one's own offensive maneuver, blow-back which is unaffected by bus driver, protection, and bulletproof.

Also note, the retaliation strike does not trigger a retaliation strike. In other words, if a kill fails, and it triggers a retaliation anyway, and that retaliation fails, there will be no third volley even if the attacker has a retaliation item of his or her own.

Retaliation is an effect which is immune to most other effects. One might consider the name of the game is "The Revengening" for a reason.

[thefluffyone93]

Well, the most reasonable evidence points to Civplayah, so....
Bet: 7 credits on Civplayah

[a completely inoffensive name]

Nope. A retaliation is blow-back from one's own offensive maneuver, blow-back which is unaffected by bus driver, protection, and bulletproof.

Also note, the retaliation strike does not trigger a retaliation strike. In other words, if a kill fails, and it triggers a retaliation anyway, and that retaliation fails, there will be no third volley even if the attacker has a retaliation item of his or her own.

Retaliation is an effect which is immune to most other effects. One might consider the name of the game is "The Revengening" for a reason.

cool my hypothesis just got busted before a discussion.

[Jolt]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

No credits?

Fold; Bet: 10 credits on civplayah

This is such an extremely strange revelation that if he's a regular townie, we'll have to assume you are up to something, MRD, to be making that up.

If he's Chaotic or something else, then well done.

[Beefy187]

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

I think it would be wiser to share results in this game.
There are items which makes players less likely to be attacked like the protection and retaliation related items.
There are already one killer dead from trying to attack.

Therefor we should reveal results if there are any. Pile up some items on them and proceed.

[Seon]

Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals.

Glad to see that somebody appreciates my presence.



Pro-tip: Seon = Chaotic. Ignore everything he says


Slander and lies! I am pure in my mind against the chaotics as any other one of you. I want to help you people.


I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

That reasoning is certainly imperfect considering the fact that there are dozens of people out there stealing valuable credits from each other. What if civplayah just got robbed? After all, if you thought to steal his credit, than others surely would have thought a similar thing. If I were you, I would fold your bet from civplayah right now and bet on somebody more suspiscious. Like Diamondeye and El Barto.

See, look when Diamondeye wants somebody to gag Earthling every night. See what he's doing? He's trying to post what everyone can agree to so that he passes by the radar easier. Classic DE scum behavior.

Oh and look at El Barto and his sarcasm filled fluff posts! He's just trying to be seen so that he gets by under everyone's radar.

Yeah. Since we only have around 24 hours left, we should vote them off with maximum wager right now. We can't let them get away because that would only serve for them to completely pass by the radar tomorrow. Together, we can achieve victory.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well I'd agree Seon you have been more pro-townie since you died than ByzantineKnight, whose every suggestion is a complete contradiction to rational townie goals and strategy.

How exactly?

[Romanic]

I didn't massacre anyone. What I did do, however, was attempt to steal credits from CivPlayah, but he didn't have any credits to steal, despite saying he is not actively playing. I chose him because if he was supposedly inactive, and therefore he would likely have a full 100 credits. The action did not cost me any credits because there was nothing to steal. Inactive players don't have empty pockets. I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

I am strongly considering voting Civplayah the fake lurker.

I am also interested in this alleged Middle Eastern Mafia and trying to determine if this is a joke. Then someone else brings up Star Trek and Star Wars Mafia. I'm curious how all these scans are going since none have been made public, although I am sure people are talkingin private.

I will do my item votes later, based on the vote tallies and who I want and dont want to have stuff.

Are you sure about all this? That civplayah didn't have any credits? That's odd because he would have to have spent ALL is credits last night, to the last credits... However his previous votes were:

Day 1 - no vote - lost 1 credit.
Day 2 - no vote - lost 1 credit.

And his income would have been 20 credits, thus leaving him with 100 starting credits + 18 others = 118. Explain to me how you can spend exactly 118 credits in two nights actions? It's impossible.

I cannot find any reasonable explanation for civplayah having exactly 0 credit when you tried to steal him. Can you?

Even if he had 8 credits left, you would have stolen them all, on a successful attempt of stealing more.

Also, if anything, other players will also have tried to steal his credits, for being inactive, just like you did, and to me that's a better explanation for him having no, or only a few credits, than him spending it all on night actions.

And there's this, his only post in the game:

Please replace me. :(

I'm so sorry-- I don't check this forum enough.
I'll be damned if this looks like a mafia role.

Very poor case on civplayah. I'm wondering if you even thought about all this. Clearly you didn't check his post to validate your case.

When you tried to steal civplayah, did you get a confirmation that he had NO credit? Could it be a failed attempt?

Honestly I'm not sure if I believe your failed attempt. I'm going to confirm with ATPG if income credits are given AFTER night actions, and if they are, it means you are possibly lying because civplayah should have had at least 9 credits on him when you tried to pickpocket him (10 from income, -1 from not voting, if he ended yesterday with 0 credits, for whatever reason).

[El Barto]

Oh and look at El Barto and his sarcasm filled fluff posts! He's just trying to be seen so that he gets by under everyone's radar.
Pah. You people already know I'm scummy every single game.

[Choxorn]

I shall now engage in shameless backscratching:

Fireball to Renata
Wolfen Fighter to DiY
Custom Desert Eagle to Zack
Porcupine Quills to Believer
Red Shell to Beefy

[El Barto]

*cofcoflampshadingcofcof*

[Bow-wow-wow]

Bow-wow-wow, you're not getting that scanner item on such dubious reasoning. It also directly contradicts the notion some people have to not let people have duplicates of any items and combine them, though I don't personally agree with that either. I would suggest that if I get it I'd be revealing the results to the town at large, though you have yet to do so, it would be a nice townie thing to do.


Well I don't really know if it is legal to reveal other peoples' roles first of all. Second of all, the person I found was mafia, not chaotic so there isn't any real need to reveal hs/her role. Third of all, If I reveal his role, people will come after him to kill him which I don't want because hes not chaotic.

If I find anybody chaotic, I will let you all know.

[Romanic]

Depends on the prespective. As seen last day, B_Ray was getting heat for voting maximum credits to lynch a townie.

As there is currently no major suspect or groups of suspects that sparks my attention or the town's attention for that matter, why will I needlessly waste valuable credits that I may well need them later on? As such, how is voting 1 credit scummy?

EDIT: And since whoever voted for Subotan voted him, as other people are being voted, and the response was Romanic's maximum voting for him, Romanic's reaction seemed quite odd and extreme.
Unlike standard mafia games, in this one we can decide how many credits to place on someone. It's a good idea to put a lot if you want to pressure someone. A bet of a few credits won't make someone flinch as much as pushing him hard. It's not extreme. On the contrary it's a good strategy, even if you don't intend to keep your chips there in the end (your target doesn't know that).

[Visor]

Bet: 1 credit on.......... Major Robert dump

Comp is dead so don't really like the idea of typing item votes out to people cause it will take ages. If I have time to waste, tonight I shall do so.

And I will respond to god emperor as well.

[Ironside]

Well I don't really know if it is legal to reveal other peoples' roles first of all. Second of all, the person I found was mafia, not chaotic so there isn't any real need to reveal hs/her role. Third of all, If I reveal his role, people will come after him to kill him which I don't want because hes not chaotic.

If I find anybody chaotic, I will let you all know.

It's legal. You cannot hint at your role in any way in private that's all. You can say whatever you want (even the truth) about others though.

Basically getting a second scanner gives you 100% detective scanning instead of 90%, when gotten that abillity for free (needs two payed scans). Or in short, combing scanning items is about the most useless item move you can make in the game.

About Civplayah, he's been stolen dry. And there has to be an order of steals, where MRD was second or later this night, to explain why he stole nothing. Romanic has already shown that he can't have been losing all money doing actions. And the chaotics got money by themself (presumably by the same system as the rest of us), since they can win by having most money. And I doubt they need to pay money to kill, thus it's very low odds that they need to go low on money.

[Death is yonder]

GE and I were talking about suspects just prior to those posts, DiY. He didn't seem un-townie to me.



What does this have to do with anything?



Shlin having a bullet-proof item stolen from him is evidence that he might need retaliatory items? What does one have to do with the other?

Alright, just that it seemed like a rather spontaneous latch on once he was pressured and an alternative candidate popped up.

It doesn't really have to do with anything related to GE, just that I commented that shlin was most likely stolen from as he has something that was bulletproof (don't need to die to retaliate so that's good for general survival) and moreover his item stood out compared to the tons of retaliation items (which must have seemed to whoever who wanted to steal it that it would be easier to obtain retaliation items via legitimate/non shady means).

And on the last point I was referring generally to his pretty decent track record of scum hunting, IIRC on a quick skim he placed a fairly hefty vote on Seon in round 1 that tipped the scales at one point, and on round 2 or some other time, he went after Arpeg, both turned out to be scum. Plus his in thread behavior didn't really raise any alarm bells so that's what I meant by being pretty comfortable in giving him retaliation items.


Although Renata has replied to parts of your post DiY, I might give you a reply as well :)

It is true that I do not pay attention much attention to the vote on me... simply because there is nothing to reply to, imo. That I question Visorslash's post, is not related to the vote on me; I question it because it really catches my attention.
As for the vote on ACIN, as Renata says, it is based on some private talk about the bandwagon on her yesterday. [...]

Alright then :bow: I accept that

Fold;


Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me. [...]

Odd post, especially the bolded section. And also the odd inquiry asking people "who aren't scum" to come look for him.

Still, I guess the wager on ACIN is worth exploring, especially now with civ_playah being proven to be incapable of spending all his credits, and not to mention asking to be replaced.

Bet 3 Credits: ACIN

[Visor]

Vote: Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory) to Believer.

Vote: Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item) to Believer.

Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to myself




Why is it you need to inform us of this? to me this seems like you feel the need to inform and convince people that you actually are an active townie

Ya what? I missed day one, night one and day two cause I was away. Just saying that I will be participating in the daytime. I haven't been active because of that absence. Usually when I am active I get lynched.:laugh4:

But yeah, I will be participating as well as I can.

[Kagemusha]

Renata. You are doing a great job in slipping away from spotlight.:bow:

[Renata]

It doesn't really have to do with anything related to GE, just that I commented that shlin was most likely stolen from as he has something that was bulletproof (don't need to die to retaliate so that's good for general survival) and moreover his item stood out compared to the tons of retaliation items (which must have seemed to whoever who wanted to steal it that it would be easier to obtain retaliation items via legitimate/non shady means).

OK, I understand.


And on the last point I was referring generally to his pretty decent track record of scum hunting, IIRC on a quick skim he placed a fairly hefty vote on Seon in round 1 that tipped the scales at one point, and on round 2 or some other time, he went after Arpeg, both turned out to be scum. Plus his in thread behavior didn't really raise any alarm bells so that's what I meant by being pretty comfortable in giving him retaliation items.

That's not just pretty decent, that's excellent, and I agree with you.

[Beskar]

I got a confession, I am a super duper investigator which can see into your souls and read your naughty little secret abilities!

I also found out Renata's secret ability is "Alluring Avatar", where by males all over the forum send her naughty pm's and leave messages on her wall.

On a related note, Renata, will you marry me? :blush:

[Renata]

That depends. Am I still allowed to wear white after all those naughty PMs?

[Chaotix]

Beskar, I love you in this game.

You've got that awesome "don't give a :daisy:" attitude that always makes things more fun.

[El Barto]

I also found out Renata's secret ability is "Alluring Avatar", where by males all over the forum send her naughty pm's and leave messages on her wall.
Alluring avatar? It's just a kitten.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alluring avatar? It's just a kitten.

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

[Jolt]

Unlike standard mafia games, in this one we can decide how many credits to place on someone. It's a good idea to put a lot if you want to pressure someone. A bet of a few credits won't make someone flinch as much as pushing him hard. It's not extreme. On the contrary it's a good strategy, even if you don't intend to keep your chips there in the end (your target doesn't know that).

Your rationale for maximum voting, however, is off. Why pressure someone who voted for Subotan? Is Subotan a confirmed innocent, so that you feel it is rightful to maximum vote someone who votes for Subotan? Why not maximum vote someone who is voting for MRD or Renata? Is it random after all? Or do you actually have a reason for pressuring?

[Askthepizzaguy]

classical_hero replaces El Barto who asked to be replaced due to being busy.


Classical_hero rejoins the game as classical_hero2 and his original character may no longer be revived.

[El Barto]

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.
Nope, haven't lost my soul yet.

classical_hero replaces El Barto who asked to be replaced due to being busy.


Classical_hero rejoins the game as classical_hero2 and his original character may no longer be revived.
Au revoir, my dear scummers, then.

[Diamondeye]

See, look when Diamondeye wants somebody to gag Earthling every night. See what he's doing? He's trying to post what everyone can agree to so that he passes by the radar easier. Classic DE scum behavior.

Lies! I am serious about Earthling. I don't want him dead. I just want him silent. Because if he's dead it might not be possible to silence him!


Pah. You people already know I'm scummy every single game.

This - see below.


Renata. You are doing a great job in slipping away from spotlight.:bow:

Agreed.


It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?
See: DE is Qui-Gon in Sigurd's Star Wars Game, DE is neutral in BL's NotW game, etc... It never fails!


Nope, haven't lost my soul yet.

Au revoir, my dear scummers, then.

... Guaranteed scum being replaced by guaranteed scum? I'm on to you!

[Beskar]

That depends. Am I still allowed to wear white after all those naughty PMs?

Sure, but it has to be washed linen.

[Beskar]

Beskar, I love you in this game.

You've got that awesome "don't give a :daisy:" attitude that always makes things more fun.

fold; bet 1: Chaotix

Something is up, you are sucking up to me... I'll rip the secrets from your very soul!

[Renata]

Sure, but it has to be washed linen.

Deal. Meet me in Vegas.

[Renata]

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?
See: DE is Qui-Gon in Sigurd's Star Wars Game, DE is neutral in BL's NotW game, etc... It never fails!

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.

[El Barto]

Seriously it is the worst form of interrogation I have ever faced (yes worse than ATPG's barrages!). That kitten... How can you not confess all your secrets to such an innocent and adorable cutesy?
I'm immune to that kitteh. Perhaps it is because of Mithridatism. (Ah, the good old days when I changed my avatar to a kitteh on every Friday a few minutes before midnight…)
But seriously, how can this dialogue happen?

-hey, it's half an hour to update, what's your role?
answer me, tell the truth
-why should I? It's Night One, there's absolutely no proof of your innocence, why should I tell you anything?
- <----------look at kitteh
-why should I look at kitteh?
-because kitteh is cute
-kitteh is wha- ooooohhhh… pretty… fluffy… I'm the town's only one true prophet and we're taking a chance having pizza protect Csargo while I scan johnhughthom and then…
-Good. You shall die tonight.
-WHAT?
-just look at kitteh and relax, ttyl
Seriously!

... Guaranteed scum being replaced by guaranteed scum? I'm on to you!
What is this I don't even

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.
She's not that strong! You can do it, DE!

[Major Robert Dump]

Are you sure about all this? That civplayah didn't have any credits? That's odd because he would have to have spent ALL is credits last night, to the last credits... However his previous votes were:

Day 1 - no vote - lost 1 credit.
Day 2 - no vote - lost 1 credit.

And his income would have been 20 credits, thus leaving him with 100 starting credits + 18 others = 118. Explain to me how you can spend exactly 118 credits in two nights actions? It's impossible.

I cannot find any reasonable explanation for civplayah having exactly 0 credit when you tried to steal him. Can you?

Even if he had 8 credits left, you would have stolen them all, on a successful attempt of stealing more.

Also, if anything, other players will also have tried to steal his credits, for being inactive, just like you did, and to me that's a better explanation for him having no, or only a few credits, than him spending it all on night actions.

And there's this, his only post in the game:

I'll be damned if this looks like a mafia role.

Very poor case on civplayah. I'm wondering if you even thought about all this. Clearly you didn't check his post to validate your case.

When you tried to steal civplayah, did you get a confirmation that he had NO credit? Could it be a failed attempt?

Honestly I'm not sure if I believe your failed attempt. I'm going to confirm with ATPG if income credits are given AFTER night actions, and if they are, it means you are possibly lying because civplayah should have had at least 9 credits on him when you tried to pickpocket him (10 from income, -1 from not voting, if he ended yesterday with 0 credits, for whatever reason).

First, there are multiple scenarios under which he could have had zero credits, to include being stolen from himself, spending credits, and stealing credits from others. The ration is 1 to 4.

Second, I did read his post. It was short and to the point, and it means nothing to me until he is actually replaced by the host for being inactive. So don't bother accusing me of not checking his post because I did, as that is the whole reason I tried to steal from him to begin with.

And third, I never even voted for the guy, I just made a hypothesis that it turns out might not be true. Welcome to mafia. And if he does get lynched, big Effin deal, he's not participating in the game and that saves someone who is active from getting lynched, as the banter and chat from the people playing here is far more entertaining that what the lurkers are doing.

As for all this talk of scanning, faction scans do very little other than add fire to the faction-on-faction war. Detective scans are what we need, and those are expensive, unless there is an item. People talking about "typical townie behavior" and "odd remarks" is laughable, you sound like the really crummy cops who accuse people of being on drugs because they act nervous around cops.

I'm still examining item votes and will likley make my decisions late in the turn once the host has posted an evening roll-up.

[Renata]

Well here's the case against ACIN as presented by the Kitteh of Doom.


Bet: 1 credit on Renata.

Well, OK, day one random vote, not susp ...


Forgot to mention it was random.org.

Oh.


LOL. I'm glad I am getting some good lulz before I get killed on the first night like always.

Only time I remember that happening you were actually scum with me.


Wait, so let me get this straight. We already killed a mafia by day 2, because of a retribution kill? Are these retribution abilities like landmines for the mafia, if they try to kill the wrong person, they will be unlucky enough to be killed in the process?

Glad you're so concerned about the mafia's precious bodily fluids. Now comes the fun stuff.


Bet: 5 credits on Renata But I would like to hear from her first before a bandwagon starts. I have a calculus midterm today, and a chem midterm on Monday. So my appearance will be spotty unless I decide to massively procrastinate.

As Zack pointed out, that 5 credits pretty much WAS my bandwagon at that point in time, so the whole "would like to hear from her first" stuff is just a wee bit gratuitous. Second, this is the first of many posts regarding how much time ACIN has or doesn't have or will have or won't have to play the game properly.


Ok, I don't mean to sound like an ***, (I just got back from my calc midterm and I am not in a good mood), but I only put 5 cred on her because I can't follow up on this game as much as I would like this weekend, and I already abandoned Beskar's mafia game for school work because I was inactive. You want me to change it, fine, fold; Bet 5 credits on Zack.

There you go.

Weak unvote under pressure coupled with pointless OMGUS, and more OOG references.

If people reading this pay attention to no other post, pay attention to this one. The kitteh compels you to.

OK back from studying for a quick post. Fold; Bet: 5 credits on YLC

I am switching my vote because Renata's posts seems to make sense to me from a quick glance. It's the hear no evil, see no evil, monkey thing. Obviously there must be some sort of restriction going on for her otherwise she would post...like a normal person I guess is what I want to say. Good picture to get the message across.

So a scan thinks YLC is scummy and right now I think that is the best thing we got. I will be back once tomorrow to check in and then monday I have my chemistry midterm so I will be away until late monday.

So he's switching his vote because *my* speak-no-evil post made sense to him. Only he's not voting me, is he? He's voting for Zack. So he's not actually changing his vote for the reason he says he is. Second, the scan was bogus. I still don't know exactly what was up with that or whether ACIN should have realized it, but still. And third, SO MUCH EXPLAINING. Of his unvote (which has the bonus of being completely false). Of his reason for only having a couple of minutes. Of his vote for YLC. Of when he'll be around next. All of it needs this protective barrier of fluffy words. It's a cornucopeia of over-explanation.


I'm sorry about that. I was just pissed at a midterm I just took.

Response to mythmonster commenting on the OMGUS Zack vote, which incidentally comes about an hour after the last post.

Silliness aimed at Earthling the next day, and the follow-ups:

You seem to be a lot of talk, but how do we know if you are legit, huh?

Here's a question for you Earthling, if you are such a muffin enthusiast, what is your favorite kind? Speak wisely here.


(snip Zack comment about handshaking)

LOL LITTLE BROTHER TRYING TO PLAY IN THE BIG BOY GAME.

(snip Earthling response to above silliness)

I just wanted a funny response man. No signaling of anything. People take this game way too seriously (cue my anger at what's-his-face earlier).


(snip Zack pointing out that he was the what's-his-face)

LOL so you were What's-his-face! Maybe try reading my posts fully before you comment! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::lau gh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh ::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

/tribesman


(snip Earthling-provided funny picture)

YES THIS IS AMAZING.


(snip of Zack saying he'd eat his hat if ACIN isn't chaotic or other scum)

Pics of the hat or get out of here.

Also, do you really not know my playing style?

(response to Earthling saying good luck on exam)

Oh thank you! This was a healthy break from studying and I knew nothing would be happening right now so I figured might as well make some people laugh by being typical ACIN. Might post much later tonight with something more serious if Renata and Dump post something.

Here's the thing, ACIN. Not giving a flip is your style. Day two was not "not giving a flip". It was "trying to be serious-mafia-player-scum-hunter" and not doing too well at it. So all of this? Jokes and laughs, giving people a hard time for taking you or anything else seriously? Sort of rather comes off as just trying too hard to swing the pendulum back the other way, back to your normal self. All of these posts, plus the next one, come in a period of about 45 minutes. A nice concentrated dose of "silly ACIN".


(snip Zack calling the last post a bad cop-out)

It's actually quite a good cop out since...well I don't mean to toot my own horn but I kind of made an epic play in the star wars mafia game. One that no one really expected, probably because it was so stupid, but that is neither here nor there.

If we want to talk about bad cop outs, lets talk about yours. specifically your lack of a cop out completely in regard to showing pics of this "big hat" of yours.

I have no idea what this is in reference to, and it doesn't matter.

Two days later (Tuesday night), shortly before the night two write-up is posted, three posts about time zone nomenclature. I'll skip those.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Retaliation is screwing up everyone from chaotic faction to serial killers. By the 5th night, there is only going to be like 2 mafia dudes left afraid to do anything out of fear of retaliation.

More on retaliation, though this one comes off a bit better as being genuinely lulzy about it. Of course, it was a serial killer dying this time.


Vote: WOLFEN FIGHTER ITEM for myself.

Now that my midterms are over, I can get involved in this game for a good 2 weeks before my next round of tests.



Points out he'll be around. Wants the investigation item.

After this post come the bets from Zack, GE, and me.

(snip fluffy picture)

<3 Will make a detailed post in about...2.5 hours when I'm done with uni stuff.

Promises upcoming response. Trying to keep further accusations at bay? More OOG explanations.


(snip Zack saying ACIN confronted him in private and dropped f-bombs, etc)

And now you are taking me out of context. Whatever man.

I'm not sure what this post said originally; it was edited.


I sent Zack a PM so before you all bandwagon me, let him read it first.

Honestly guys, this is the 4th mafia game in a row where I am accused of being scummy within the first 4 days and people bandwagon me to death. I haven't played a real game since Star Wars Mafia.

Do you want me to change my playing style? Because I have been Mr. Scummy since 2009 with Pirate Ship Mafia but only since Star Wars has it been ok to always go to ACIN when there is no other people with a solid case against. Whatever.

This doesn't match up with the night one "intended to be lulzy" comment about always dying night one. Now it's always gets bandwagoned to death early. This is also not true. His last game out he was wogged on day six. The one before that where he was mafia with me, he got killed night one by a random vig or an opposing mafia, can't remember which. The one before that (ATPG's star wars game) he made it most of the way through the game before the bandwagon came. This pity-me stuff is just false.


(snip Zack saying the PM read that ACIN wasn't deliberately trying to be scummy, he's trying to reverse the trend for this game; that this doesn't deter him since it would all then be genuine scumminess)

I agree with Zack here. Nor is ACIN's contention really well supported. He does give the impression early on of trying to be serious. But when that gets him in trouble, he's way back to lulzy ACIN, to the tune of eight or ten posts in 45 minutes all about don't you know my playstayle and why-so-serious and poking earthling with muffin references. And now that that didn't work and he's still under pressure, he's back to "I'm trying to reform myself". It's not real.


Well, I understand. It's WIFOM. At this point there is nothing that would convince you otherwise than an illegal role reveal. What I said was true, and I am sticking by it. I am going to participate in a mafia game and have a discussion with people, even if it is just for a short while.

How here is what I think which I have been working on since late monday.
Bet: 19 credits on Civplayah
Not having credits to steal when you are supposed to be inactive is more proof of "scummyness" imo than of anything else that has been said in this thread. I think this is crucial evidence and as of right now I trust MRD with his word.

Well I was about to give you a hard time on day three not even beginning until Wednesday, but I think I see what you mean now -- you're saying you've been working on credit/retaliation-related theories since Monday, and the situation with civplayah happens to fit into those theories. And even though I can't make heads nor tails of most of the theories presented (snipped because this is already too long); just the mere fact that you have a bunch of theories you're trying to tie into a lynch is probably the most townie indicator you've given thus far.

It's really, really, not much ACIN, given everythign that preceded it.
-- the false reasoning on your unvote of me
-- the false references to your past luck in recent games
-- your inconsistent self-presentation
-- the over-explanation of your presence or absence

I'm doubting myself just enough to want to look at the other leading candidates as well, but I don't really see my "vote" changing.

[Diamondeye]

Step into my lair, sweet boy, you know you want to.

Too bad about that pesky no-reveals rule.


She's not that strong! You can do it, DE!

:helmet:

...

:freak:

...

:kiss2:

...

:crowngrin:

[Renata]

First, there are multiple scenarios under which he could have had zero credits, to include being stolen from himself, spending credits, and stealing credits from others. The ration is 1 to 4.

I got some answers about this today, but not the one I really should have, which was: how do you tell the difference between a failed theft and a successful theft of zero credits? But I think it can be extrapolated from what I did ask.

I got this:
You send in, for example: Spend 10 credits to steal 40 from Sasaki.

If you are successful and Sasaki has at least 40 credits, you get your 40, for a net gain of 30 credits.
If you are unsuccessful, you lose ten credits.
If you are successful and Sasaki has only 25 credits, you get 24 (nearest multiple of 4) and are charged only 6 (24 divided by 4), for a net gain of 18 credits.
If you are unsuccessful, you lose ten credits.

See the pattern? If you try to steal less than the player has and are successful, you don't get charged full rate; it's pro-rated. But if you are unsuccessful, you lose the whole thing.

I can therefore extrapolate to:
If you are successful and Sasaki has 0 credits (or less than 4), you gain nothing, but you also lose nothing (0/4).
If you are unsuccessful and Sasaki has 0 credits (or less than 4), you lose ten credits.

In other words, you saying you lost your whole input (that is what you said, right) strongly suggests a failed steal, and only a failed steal. How many credits civplayah has is unknown.

All of that said, I think you may have brought up something actually meaningful by accident.


Second, I did read his post. It was short and to the point, and it means nothing to me until he is actually replaced by the host for being inactive.

Two players have been replaced, one practically on the spot just today. Why *not* civplayah? Has he not actually asked? This is the first thing against him that *does* resonate for me. I still hate lynching no-shows like the fire of a thousand suns, but under those circumstances I would not in the slightest mind it if someone with a vig power takes aim at him tonight.

[a completely inoffensive name]

i have been flipping from different attitudes because this past week has been a really difficult week for me and my attitude in RL has been transferring into my in game persona. today i am deciding on whether it will be healthy for me to keep playing this game. i really wanted to reform my in game persona, i wanted to lay low and be lulzy and then come out with some grand post that exposes the mafia after days of analyzing posts. however, this past week has instead turned me into an angry jerk lashing out at people, which i then tried to cover up.

i kindly ask ATPG to have a replacement ready for me, im sorry for the inconvenience.

[Renata]

:( :(

[shlin28]

Various comments in reply to Earthling, who I am seriously doubting the credibility of.

1. BK doesn't appear that suspicious to me... and ignoring Seon is the best way forward no matter how sensible he sounds.
2. You want others to come forward, but still hasn't revealed ANYTHING about you. Your faction, your actions, your items, nope, zilch, nothing. It also seems to be that you are planning to threaten people simply because they wish to stay safe?
3. Again, if your plan is so amazing, SHARE it. As said before, faction scanning is not accurate so whoever you are talking to in private could be completely bogus. Bring your plan into the public eye or stop trying to persuade others into an unknown plan.
4. I am actually a member of an 'endangered' faction, I would love to co-operate, but frankly you have given me very little to work with here.

Also:
Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

Says the person who knowingly condemned a fellow townie to death. Keeping scans secret may be beneficial right now, but I think it is better to trust those in the thread than those in your faction - scans are useless in scum-finding after all. I'm all for role-playing, but this is not a role-playing heavy game, so we have to stop pretending to be selfish baddies and act for the interest of the great whole.

For my vote, I think I will unbet my money on Subotan, as his answer does conform to my hazy memory of what he was like, I think. Fold. Not entirely sure who to vote for though, Civplaya and ACIN are now the frontrunners but both are suspected for really tenuous reasons. Think I need some time to read through the thread again :embarassed:

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:
Vote: GAG for the fluffyone
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for Beefy
Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to Robbiecon
Vote: Porcupine Quills to Visorslash
Vote: Rope to Choxorn
Vote: Wolfen Fighter to Ironside
Vote: Fireball to SkoomaAddict
That I think spreads out the items quite evenly... Though I would caution people from voting that scanning item to DiY - does he really need 10% retaliatory and a faction scanning item? A tiny paranoid voice within me thinks that he is trying to portray a reasonable image of himself so that no-one is going to notice that he will gain another item today :inquisitive:

[Renata]

I checked Subotan's posts and for the most part they're the opposite of scummy. He wagered and lost 20 credits on day two against YLC. He has 30 placed now against Earthling, though the possibility yet exists that he will fold. I mean, maybe he's stealing credits to fund this apparent extravagance, but on its face it's not so much suspicious as just pointless (would be less pointless if he'd follow up every once in a while). The connection to ArpeggiateTHIS is not plausible as meaning anything, since Arpeggiate was a serial killer, not anti-mafia.

The one possible exception is the 4 credit wager against Captain Blackadder on day one after folding from his 10-credit facedown of Arpeggiate. It's the only time he's voted less than the full amount possible, and it happens to coincide with the day that Seon was almost lynched. (And it was not on Seon.) I'll check the timing on that, as well as other votes in Seon's favor.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Been gone 1 day, so many posts! :goofy:

What page is the lastest write up on?

[thefluffyone93]

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/sadcat.png?t=1304020899

[Renata]

OK, Seon's near-lynch is interesting.

First, Subo's 4 credits on CB make no sense as trying to spare Seon under the circumstances at the time (he had had 10 on Arpeg just previously).

Second, I think it could be argued that up until a point I'm right about to show you, Seon was in no true danger, because his own 10 credits placed on any of a number of players could have spared him. So the interesting votes to me are those which bring Seon from a situation he can't recover from by himself (or barely could), to a situation he can.

Right after my vote on Captain Blackadder it stands like this (previous to my vote Seon was up by 4):
9 CB, 8 Seon, 6 Subo, 5 EB, 3 RS (EB is El Barto, RS is Red Spy)

Seon promptly makes a move, removing his wager on El Barto and placing 10 on Kagemusha. Kage responds with OMGUS (reason for his death that night? I think Kage's killer is in my not-sure-who-this-is category), and Seon backs off and places 10 on Byzantine Knight (reason for *his* death that night, surely). It's now

18 Seon, 10 BK, 9 CB, 6 Subo, 3 EB, 3 RS

So here we are. With 18 votes on him and 10 on the nearest competitor, Seon is very close to not being able to save himself. This is the point at which I think it becomes quite likely that teammates would have been wanting to step in to change the situation if they could justify it.

Byzantine Knight (innocent) puts ten on EArthling. Backwards Logic (innocent) adds 1 more. It's now

18 Seon, 11 Earthling, 10 BK (Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Next vote: bet 3 on Earthling from Fluffy (a typical picture with no game-related info vote)

Seon's now only 4 votes in the lead. He can save himself easily as long as Earthling stays nice and close like this.

Link and mythmonster each add one more to Earthling. Plausible as trying to help out Seon just that little bit more, but not as striking as Fluffy's vote.

Somewhere in here MRD puts 1 on BK.

18 Seon, 16 Earthling, 11 BK (mostly Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Seon's sitting pretty at least in terms of surviving the day; his ten votes alone can save him. But then what happens? Disaster! Byzantine Knight removes his 10 credit wager on Earthling. Earthling's at only 6 votes. Only CB remains as a jumping off point for Seon to act by himself, and it's only by a single solitary vote, at that. Can he get some insurance?

Jolt bets one on CB, unabstaining to do so


Oh.

Unabstain; Bet: 1 Capt Blackadder

(And by the way, the "oh" is related to another question.)

However, that vote was sadly prompted by CB himself voting Jolt just before (and Jolt first abstained before MRD helpfully pointed out he'd lose 1 credit either way), so never mind.

That's the status until Seon and then MRD pop in with back-to-back ten credit bets on Captain Blackadder to end the day.

And although MRD was up until that last-minute change voting for Byzantine Knight along with Seon (a vote that doesn't help Seon substantially); and although it would have to have been some comical communications fail in the scum camp for them both to make end of day bets like that; due to a couple other posts by MRD I'm not entirely sure that's not exactly what happened:


Jolt, Abstaining still causes you to lose 1 credit, so vote 1 for the CPT.


Byzantine Knight has implicitly stated he is pro-chaotic, and he is picking on a new member which is just bad tact:

Bet 1, ByzantineKnight

Helping Jolt to add one to the CB count without actually getting his hands dirty.


Of course, this quote is also unsettling, as BK and Kagemusha gang up on Seon and Renata, implying that Kage makes his vote based on assumption that someone is a townie (mafia)

Kage's vote was obviously tongue-in-cheek, and BK never voted Seon at all to my recollection (only me), so the linkage of me and Seon as dual recipients of a bad, evil conspiracy here rings just a tad bit hollow given Seon's alignment.

Finally,

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

(and corrects the format, probably unnecessarily, in the next post)

More in a minute, distracted.

[Believer]

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:


How about giving me the Porcupine Quills or the Wolfen Fighter? :')
*Cute kitteh*

[Major Robert Dump]

Renata: Unless it was a mistake by the host, I the theft cost me zero credits. The whole reason I pointed out that civPlayah had not been replaced is precisely what you pointed out. One can have a lack of posts but still be active.

I am less convinced by ACIN. My front runners remain Civ and B-Ray. On the face of things, I do not think what B-Ray did was too terribly bad since each faction has secondary interests, but if we are grasping at hairs then that will be enough.

[Renata]

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

[thefluffyone93]

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

[ByzantineKnight]

I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/sadcat.png?t=1304020899

I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^

[Renata]

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

[Romanic]

I don't understand how civplayah could have 0 credit to steal on Night 2.

Again:

1) Day 1 : civplayah starts with 100 credits.
2) He didn't vote on Day 1, thus lost 1. 99 credits left.
3) Night 1 : Let's say that's he's been stolen everything he has. 0 credit left.
4) Income happens at the end of Night 1 (+10). 10 credits left.
5) Day 2 : He didn't vote (-1). 9 credits left.

How is it possible that he has zero? This analysis is the worse case scenario, credit-wise, but there's still 9 credits in his pocket. He cannot have less than 9.

Also, ATPG confirmed that credit income happen after night actions, so the income cannot be stolen on the night you get it. Everyone will start a day with a minimum of 10 credits.

All this makes it hard for me to believe MRD's story that civplayah had no credit to steal. And it can't be a failed attempt, or the attempt would have cost MRD some credits.

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

[thefluffyone93]

So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

I just don't think it's a good idea to go all in, is all.
True, it was only 5 credits, but still, to go all in means you really want them dead.



I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^
And yes, yes it is!
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/happycat.png?t=1304023490

[Renata]

That's not my point. :(

Slight correction, Romanic: can only steal in increments of 4 credits, and anythign less than 4 would presumably not be accessable to theft.

[thefluffyone93]

Wait....how many credits did Link and Myth bet?

[Major Robert Dump]

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

No, silly monkey, I said: I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

The reason I bothered to point that out is because I, as a character, am at a disadvantage because I do not have an item I can actively use and I did not start with any skills. If one wants to use steal credits, one has to use it as the purchased action, because there is no free version of steal credits. So, hypothetically, if one wanted to both steal credits and defend other on the same night, the only option would be to purchase the steal and and use the low-probability free defend, not the other way around. If someone would vote me a doggone item I can actively use in my 2nd slot, then I may actually be able to do 2 things in one turn that have a decent chance of succeeding.

[robbiecon]

I've been doing a little sleuthing of my own on MRD, since reading Renata's post above. Now, while I'll admit it's horribly clumsy for two mafiats to come in and save another's skin so close to each other, and right at the end of the day, I'll agree that's what seems to have happened. Now to the analysis (it may be slightly out of order from how I wanted to say things, but you'll get the gist)


A lot of deaths night on 1, so either people got extremely lucky and found their hidden talents or they dropped a lot of cash on purchased vig actions.

I figured people would just start voting things to themselves. We need to start making drug deals and trading bets and item votes to get items, so if any other townies want to negotiate, I am game. PM me for negotiations.

I am curious what happens in the event of item vote ties.

I am also curious why SEON was 2 characters.

I am also curious about the cards, as so far there is no distinct pattern between dead people of the same faction.

Focuses on the deaths, trying to perhaps suggest that's it's trigger happy townies. Then goes on to look for people to make deals with over items, perhaps trying to gain information into what they might be, see perhaps if they're worth picking off? Asking why Seon was 2 characters, it seems to suggest that he genuinely doesn't know the reason, perhaps trying to just disassociate himself with the Chaotic faction, and a general sense of innocence portrayed "Why does he have two names, Mommy?" Asks about the cards, fair enough, I suppose.


And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.


I would like to thank the host for doing mid-day and almost end-day tallies. Keeping track of lynch voting is bad enough, now with items to track as well my head will explode.

Looking to simply gain votes on inactive players. Good tactic for simply getting rid of townies, as people are usually easily susceptible to "Well, we haven't a clue who to lynch, so let's just lynch the mute". Also, mid-day and end-day tallies are good ways of scum being able to see what they can do tactically over the day to either have an innocent lynched, or save themselves, if they are in trouble.



Golly, I feel so left out of the item frenzy.

So, hypothetically, what if a person wins an item vote and gets lynched the same turn? Does the item go back into the pool?

Despite calling out for people to talk with over the possibility of getting items, it appears no-one has approached him, and not too many people are voting for him for items. Perhaps he's trying to get people to approach him again subtlely. Also, perhaps he's worried about he himself getting lynched when people finally vote an item to him, although being lynched and being voted an item the same day is a rare occurrence, unless the item is described "Self-destructing bomb".


HAHAHAHA. Nice lynch, terd heads.

And the best part is B-Ray even stated that YLCs identity was not necessarily chaotic, but one which would serve B-Rays purpose, which anyone could logically assume means that either B-Rays new role is evil with a conflicting faction to YLC or B is straight CHAOTIC. Either of those scenarios could make B-Rays statement true. What a waste of credits.

We now see that there are 5 mafia factions. We also know that factions have nuetral (and possibly chaotic, based on the game rules) players.

Since no one had a big win on lynch bets I am hoping that this means there will be fewer purchased vigilante acts. I'm sure at least one or two Chatoic have free kill abilities, but those of us who successfully defended last time are probably in the clear, as are all the winners of the shiny new items. Nonetheless, I am still expecting a very busy night in terms murders.

Mocking of the lynch, usually used as a "I'm town, well done you lynched a townie, you fools" type of tactic. Normally used by scum. Townies go "Well, that isn't what we wanted" or "Oops, we did it again". Seems to know a bit too much about Chaotic abilities, although it's fair enough to assume that the scum team get their "Money For Nothing, and their kills for free". Perhaps he is also suggesting that those who defended successfully on the first night shouldn't worry about using a defense the second night. And the same goes for the item holders. Seems like a reverse psychology way of getting people to abstain from saving themselves, thus opening up easier targets.


By duping people into spending money to defend themselves after the first nights murder frenzy, the Chaotics will eventually be able to out bet anyone on lynches in conjunction with the silence ability. Earthling's willingness to so easily incriminate me in a far-fetched hypothesis shows far more ill intent than anything I have done to date. A defensive area attack in response to an action? Please. Also note that he did not say what action, because if he said he tried to kill me and then Renata says she tried to steal from me, well, then the story would not add up because that would make me so powerful I was a game breaker. Earthling set it up perfectly, though, because by text walling on day 1 he knew people would notice his absence on day 2, and they did. When he returns, he has the perfect alibi: he was afflicted by the very trick he used on someone else. Convenient. I make an easier target because I was trying to acquire a bulletproof item and failed, so Earthling is under the false impression that I am unable to defend myself and therefore people will be more likley to murder me

I suggest you spend some money on self defense tonight, Earthling. I hope your action on the first night wasn't purchased, because that would mean you will be near broke.

Perhaps he is simply scaring people further into not using the defense abilities. That is keep your money or the Chaotic faction will simply outbid you in lynches, and kill you have one by one. Perhaps a threat towards Earthling? Or trying to gain more information as to what Earthling did night one?


Anyway, this is my case.
tl;dr Major Robert Dump appears to be trying to talk people out of using defense night actions. Seems to want items to be voted to himself (perhaps to take them out of everyone else's hands), and in order to do this perhaps wants to find out information about others, perhaps to be able to make a decision whether to kill you or let you live.

I apologise if I've got you totally wrong, but this is just what I got out of it.

So Fold; Bet: 15 credits on Major Robert Dump, for now.

[Jolt]

I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/sadcat.png?t=1304020899

Or

https://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo255/GoodyTombShoes/Happycat.jpg

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Bet 8 Credits: ACIN

I don't know, I don't trust you :laugh:.

[Romanic]

As Renata pointed out:

We're Day 1, with 15 minutes before the deadline, the tally is:

18 Seon (CHAOTIC)
11 ByzantineKnight (Evil)
10 Capt Blackadder (Evil)
7 Earthling (unknown)
6 Subotan (unknown)

Then with 14 mins to go, Seon vote to save himself.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am
Making it CB 20, Seon 18.

And with 4 minutes to go, Major Robert Dump does the same thing.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

Even correcting his wrong format 2 minutes later.

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder
wrong format

Making it 30 CB, 18 Seon.

Fold. Bet 30 credits Major Robert Dump

Because:

1) I don't believe his story that civplayah would have no credits at all. I could figure a scenario, with civplayah being stolen early, and using all his remaining credits to buy a night action on N2, leaving no credits to be stolen from, but civplayah is inactive and asked to be replaced, thus it seems unlikely.

2) MRD voted with Seon on D1, when he was under pressure. Moreover he did it with 4 minutes to do, even correcting his format mistake two minutes later, meaning he was very (very very very!) interested in the Day 1 lynch.

3) The tally being CB 20, Seon 18, doesn't mean that MRD didn't have to place his vote to help his (possible) teammate. In fact this tally is harder to keep track of, and it's plausible that the mafia wouldn't know with certainty that Seon was not in danger anymore. MRD could have placed this vote in a hurry, being told that his format was wrong, and correcting it. Also there was still a possibility that CB would show and place a late vote also, another 10 on Seon, so they might have felt more credits on CB was necessary.

Bottom line, I cannot forgive MRD for helping a known felon on Day 1, specially this late in the round. The civplayah story is just the icing on the cake.

Come on, I need help, my 30 credits aren't enough to lynch him!

(the current tally is, I think, 39 civplayah, 37 acin, 35 Earthling, 32 Major Robert Dump)

[Romanic]

Scratch the above tally. Crosspost with robbie and warman.

And happy to see robbie betting 15 on MRD. :smug2:

[Major Robert Dump]

Thats the worst case I have ever read. QWanting items voted to me is scummy? You are kidding, right? Can I have your items then?

Me not realizing the whole "cover role" for Chaos thing was because I didn't read the freaking directions properly.

I am curious why people are coming out in force once I bring up CivPlayah, a presumably inactive player. If he is not playing, why not lynch him?

And yes, Renata, thank you for pointinbg out the 1 to 4 credit ratio thing that I have pointed out before. You can't steal 2 credits from someone. It has to be 4, as in increments of 4, as in math, you guys should try it sometimes. So yes, it is possible for someone to have nothing to steal, because the definition of "nothing" is 3 or less.

day 1 end: 99 left
spend 25 night 1: 74
12 stolen night 1: 62
day 2 end: 61
night 2 spend 60: 1 left

There are multiple variations of the above. I'm not gonna spell it out for you people. And I'm still not saying CivPlayah is guilty. What is curious is that my idea tossing brings out the wolves.

[Zack]

If ACIN is asking to be replaced, I think that really indicates a frustrated townie more than anything. I haven't really been fair in my treatment of him, either. He's still a suspect, but not as strong as MRD.

Fold. Bet: 10 credits on MRD

Tally please? I would like to adjust my credit total to ensure MRD gets lynched.

[Romanic]

Don't put too much trust in this tally, I've been making mistakes with my local tallies in this game, but it should be close to this:

57 MRD (Earthling 1, Visorslash 1, robbiecon 15, Romanic 30, Zack 10)
39 civplayah (Chaotix 2, Crazed Rabbit 1, acin 19, fluffy 7, Jolt 10)
35 Earthling (Subotan 30, Bow-wow-wow 5)
30 acin (GE 8, Renata 1, Believer 5, Psychonaut 5, DIY 3, Warman 8)
24 Subotan (shlin 1, dcmort 5, DE 3, Ironside 2, Red_Spy 5, mythmonster 8)
5 Beskar (Skooma 5)
1 Chaotix (Beskar 1)


Please point out any error.

[thefluffyone93]

Meh.
This game wouldn't be so awesome without the gambling aspect.

Fold; Bet 7 on MRD

Although I do believe I just contradicted one of my previous posts....

[Zack]

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

[Romanic]

Your rationale for maximum voting, however, is off. Why pressure someone who voted for Subotan? Is Subotan a confirmed innocent, so that you feel it is rightful to maximum vote someone who votes for Subotan? Why not maximum vote someone who is voting for MRD or Renata? Is it random after all? Or do you actually have a reason for pressuring?

I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. :grin: I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

[Romanic]

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

[Major Robert Dump]

I voted CB on day 1 because I thought I would win money. Blackadder was already dead, and I work late. I did not understand the rules. Just like I did not realize Chaos would have cover roles. It's really not that hard to make these mistakes, considering people still didn't understand the betting process by the end of day 2, which is clear from all the LOLZ WUT DO I DO AGAIN? posts

Whats even more amusing is that you are taking Day 1 voting demographics and making a case out of it, as if anyone knew who anyone else was. That, to me, is "typical" scummy (since you seem to know all the typical townie/mafia stereotypes)

And even more amusing than that is that none of this started until a bunch of math-challenged people who didn't read the rules (OMGZ ROMANIC DIDNT KNOW THE 1 TO 4 THEFT RATIO HE MUST BE CHAOTIC) got their panties in a wad because of this hypothesis with Civplayah, which I never even said was 100% true and I didn't even vote for the guy.

And even more amusing than the more amusing thing before, is that I get max credit votes. Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong. I think we have either found some Chaotics, or perhaps a faction that is still strong and in comms with one another and trying to snowball anyone they see as a threat. They especially see me as a threat since I will likley get the Butt X-ray

[robbiecon]

When I press the reply with quote, the multi-quoted quotes are still coming up. But that's 50 on MRD as it stands, what with Zack's changeover to 1 credit.

EDIT: And yes, I would prefer if he was outside of the reach of being able to save himself right now. I'm around for 2 hours at the most, to up the bet if needs be, but beyond that, it's up to you guys.

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

[Zack]

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

Don't worry, I will use my credits to ensure MRD has at least a 30 credit lead. I'm just anticipating vote changes.

[Jolt]

I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. :grin: I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.


Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.

[thefluffyone93]

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

Eh; its worth the gamble.

[Zack]

Eh; its worth the gamble.

Ba dum tish!

[Diamondeye]

Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong.

Well we've not caught anything by the lynch so that argument is really not too swell. But whatever.

[Romanic]

Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.
Fair enough, I didn't lay my reasons to suspect dcmort in the game thread, but him voting Subotan was not why I did it. Asking why he was voting Subotan was a bonus.

I've told Renata in chat why I was voting dcmort yesterday. She can confirm, if it pleases you. It didn't have anything to do with Subotan.


People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.
Commenting about someone's actions is fair game. Saying that I'm not happy that Zack withdrew his credits, is fair game. Not sure what's your point here. I'm not ordering people around, don't put words in my mouth.

And... "People aren't voting to make you happy" made me :laugh4:

[thefluffyone93]

I HATE CONTRADICTING MYSELF!!!!

Fold; Bet 7 on Romanic
All in seems so risky, even with all the "proof".

I say that because in the end, we only can speculate, and not prove anything.

[Major Robert Dump]

I really don't want to claim, but maybe if I did it would shut up Earthling at the same time.

They don't want me to have the butt X-Ray. They know they can't assassinate me because I kick the crap out of them if they try. They know that eventually all my bling and all my hoes gonna roll dirty up in that rear and go pop pop pop on the scrilla to the nilla and ain't no Chaos gonna stand in the way of the Evil revival.

[Seon]

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

[Believer]

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

Fold; 5 credits ACIN
Bet: 10 credits on MJD

You had me at mistake.

[Link]

I got robbed last night for 40 credits, so perhaps that where some of CPs money went. Seems unlikely he'd lose that much, but he is inactive so I see no reason to waste a lynch when there are better candidates.
Bet 2 credits on MRD.

[Link]

Nvm, I read the thread now. CP probably is lying about not playing, but seeing as he has no money, can't do anything right now anyway.

[autolycus]

I like this case on MRD
Bet: 10 credits on MRD

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

[Zack]

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

What the????

If MRD is scum (I think he is now), so is Warman.

Fold. Bet: 15 credits on MRD

[Renata]

I don't really get much of robbie's particular additions to the case on MRD, but the posts themselves that he highlights do strike me as scummy (for mostly different reasons than he has, but that's not important.) I just want to point out one quote:


And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.

As I mentioned in my own summary, on day one MRD makes a comment somewhere in the neighborhood of Kagemusha and Byzantine Knight (both now dead and innocent) colluding against me and Seon. The implication here is the former two are scummy, the latter two innocent.

But in this day two quote that robbie found, it's just "the person I suspected of being innocent was actually scummy". Person, singular; I'm nowhere to be seen. That very much reinforces my suspicion that I was incidental to the comment from day one, the real point of it being to make Seon look unjustly persecuted; and the real point here to look as if his thinking Seon innocent was no big deal. It doesn't help that in this post MRD is referring to ACIN as being a bad vote target, someone I still have mixed feelings about.

Some of Romanic's points I want to argue against (I still am not convinced MRD is actually lying about civplayah's funds; and civplayah's non-replacement does bother me), but that's just being persnickety. Civplayah should be a vig target regardless, though.

@ Jolt -- yes, Romanic did bring up his case on dcmort to me in private before or right after casting his vote; I can't remember. dcmort's posts are in fact weak in just the way that Romanic says. Take that for what it's worth.

fold; bet 5 credits on MRD

I will not be around at the deadline.

[Renata]

What the heck, Warman?

How many votes does MRD have on civplayah right now?

I should be back one more time in about an hour.

[autolycus]

Renata can have the gag
I'd like the Rope
Beskar can have the shell

[Romanic]

What the heck, Warman?

How many votes does MRD have on civplayah right now?


Nothing. Unless I missed it, MRD has yet to vote.

[Beefy187]

I'll bite

Bet: 10 Credit on MRD

[shlin28]

Bet: 10 credit on MRD

BANDWAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Jolt]

I HATE CONTRADICTING MYSELF!!!!

Fold; Bet 7 on Romanic
All in seems so risky, even with all the "proof".

I say that because in the end, we only can speculate, and not prove anything.

To be fair, I wouldn't bet on Romanic being Mafia. He's smelling scummy to me. I guess in the following days, we'll see.

EDIT: Since it appears clear that MRD will take the chop and I don't want to lose 10 credits for nothing on civplayah:

Fold; Bet: 1 credit on MRD

[thefluffyone93]

To be fair, I wouldn't bet on Romanic being Mafia. He's smelling scummy to me. I guess in the following days, we'll see.

Eh, I don't feel like jumping on a bandwagon, and I lose my credits even if I vote for someone else, so meh.

[robbiecon]

I think it's MRD 105; civplayah 52 at the moment. I might be out a little, what with votes changes I might have overlooked.

[Renata]

Cool.

[Major Robert Dump]

the question I pose to all of you is this:
At the start of the day, I was on top of the world. People voted me the Butt X-Ray, they sent PMs telling me I was LOL, they were suspicious of others. Were I truly guilty, then why would I start talking? Why would I start making accusations when I was already in the clear? Why does simply talking about possible Chaos strategy and trying to solve the card mystery make me a target?

You people are like a bunch of little monkeys going after an overturned bananna truck. This is what I get for offering healthy conversation, hypotheses and theories. And next round, after you lynch me and you see that I am innocent, you will all scramble to hide your half-eaten banannas, stuttering out excuses about this and that, to which I willl respond with quotes to show that everything you said that I said that was suspicious was actually not suspicious it was just true.

Rather than healthy debate, I should have just brought biscuits and mustard, pop-up books and pacifiers. Rather than numbering the pages, perhaps we should make them in the goemetrical shapes or farm animals so the numbers aren't so initimidating as to disocurage people from reading the entire thread. I want to say I will Publicly Claim in 2 hrs just to show you I am right, but most of the large voters probably wouldn't return to change their votes. The others would still let me die because I am a faction enemy, and because I am really, really handsome.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Fold,

Bet: 20 credits on civplayah

MRD is to funny to die. Also, bandwagon much you guys? :inquisitive:

CR

[thefluffyone93]

Fold; Bet 15 on Civplayah

And yet not once did I see a mention of pancakes in MRD's speech.
But bananas are cool too.

[Beefy187]

Fold

Just because I won't be around for a while, and I might regret it after MRDs claim

[Skooma Addict]

Unvote: Sideshow Bob GAG to MRD

Fold
Bet: 20 Credits on MRD

SAFOS: Fluffy

[Skooma Addict]

Sorry for double post, but is Mister Fluffy trying to save Mister Dump by voting to lynch someone who wants to be replaced?

[thefluffyone93]

No, I just don't feel like joining a bandwagon.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote 20 on MRD

Seems he is the one to get the chop so I want to see if I can get some more money.

[Major Robert Dump]

I almost don't want to do this because nothing is funnier than watching people spend their money on cans of sea monkeys, but here goes:


I am RUDOLPH of the Bizarro Mafia.I really, really hate the Python Mafia and the Space Mafia. My card is a 2, just like BlackAdders....A claim I hinted from the very beginning was: that some faction members had similar face cards, yet I was castigated for and accused of being scum for this claim.

No one attacked me the first round, that was all a ploy to make myself look tough so others would be discouraged and I could experiment in night 1. I self defended for free and stole 20 credits from VisorSlash because he appeared inactive.

On night 2, I did try to steal 80 credits from CivPlayah because he appeared inactive and the action did not cost me anything. It was listed as a failure. But it did not cost me anything. I also self-defended free of charge.

I really did think I would win 10 creds on whoever got lynched no matter who they were, which is why I voted Blackadder Day 1. I was about to vote for BK, but Seon changed his vote to Black a few moments before I voted so I went with the latter.

Now, the Pythons and Space will know that I am telling the truth because I should show up as their enemies as well. However, they are unlikely to admit it because my faction is half dead and I will just get them more points. Furthermore, the Space Mafia has not lost any people yet.

With all this being said, even if anyone who voted me is smart enough to unvote me, I will have multiple assasination attempts during night 3. So for those of you who may still think that I am lying or have a cover role I tell you this:
Even if it is a lie, 2 factions will now come for me after dark. So let me live, and then come get some, the lot of you.

You don't have a man or a single testicle in your entire family.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote 20 on MRD

Seems he is the one to get the chop so I want to see if I can get some more money.

You only get money if he's guilty, which he isn't. :wall:

CR

[B-Wing]

Fascinating. Anybody keeping a tally on the item votes? I started to but lost my motivation after realizing how large a spreadsheet I needed to keep up with. Also, some people didn't post their votes in the correct format and I'm not sure whether they count, as ATPG was pretty explicit about not counting imperfect votes.

Also, I question the likelihood of MRD's guilt based on the fact that his reveal included the two rival factions. Would a cover role PM include that information? Perhaps; a chaotic player would need to realize that certain factions were working against others in order to properly play along with any unsuspecting "allies" of the same faction.

None-the-less, Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump. I don't have a better candidate at the moment, and if I'm gonna lose 1 credit regardless, it might as well be on the player most likely to be lynched. Also, I dislike your insulting behavior.

[Zack]

Fold,

Bet: 20 credits on civplayah

MRD is to funny to die. Also, bandwagon much you guys? :inquisitive:

CR


Fold; Bet 15 on Civplayah

And yet not once did I see a mention of pancakes in MRD's speech.
But bananas are cool too.

FOS: You two

[Skooma Addict]

No, I just don't feel like joining a bandwagon.
Right, I missed your previous, yet equally maddening posts. So to be clear, you quit one wagon to join another, then quit that one to rejoin the previous one? Skooma tinks u r a funneh Fluffeh.

Fold

[Crazed Rabbit]

FOS: You two

Right. Because being part of the mob on the bandwagon going after the most talkative person isn't scummy.

CR

[Major Robert Dump]

The New Orleans Police Department is more capable than our Mafia Town Deputies. I mean, this is some serious Barney Fife going on here. I'm not going to be lynched tonight. More votes are coming, including a bombshell the likes of which you awful people have not seen since 42 minutes 7 seconds into The Crying Game. Kiss those credits goodbye

[thefluffyone93]

The New Orleans Police Department is more capable than our Mafia Town Deputies. I mean, this is some serious Barney Fife going on here. I'm not going to be lynched tonight. More votes are coming, including a bombshell the likes of which you awful people have not seen since 42 minutes 7 seconds into The Crying Game. Kiss those credits goodbye

................
CUE DRAMATIC MUSIC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUTSH_wKos

[thefluffyone93]

gAH! cOMPUTER MAKES DOUBLE POST!
BAAAAD!

[Earthling]

icky la picky wicky
icky la picky wicky
icky la boom-ba
icky la boom-ba
oh waffle offle waffle
oh waffle offle waffle
icky la boom-ba
icky la boom-ba

ICKY LA PICKY WICKY
ICKY LA PICKY WICKY
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
OH WAFFLE OFFLE WAFFLE
OH WAFFLE OFFLE WAFFLE
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
ICKY LA BOOM-BA

Raise: 29 credits

Also, Skooma Addict is another Bizarro faction member and even though he voted for MRD before, and must have thought he was scummy, unvoted to try and save a faction member (at least supposedly that would be why, there could be some further scum deal.)

[thefluffyone93]

........
I HATE THAT SONG.
Raise: 15 Credits

Again, I contradict myself!!

[El Barto]

That song rocks. Where's me replacement? I hae tae go an hoost a game.

[Kagemusha]

There is absolutely no point lynching MRD right now. He is out on the open now and can be offed by any faction at any point of time. Put the pressure somewhere else.

[Earthling]

Oh yeah,

Unvote, vote: DESERT EAGLE to Zack
Unvote, vote: ROPE to choxorn

I'd still really like the fireball retaliatory to myself and don't know nor really endorse vote leaders on other items (well I am ok with Renata getting the Gag as I voted) so leaving the rest of my votes. Considering my item was stolen and it's a shame of course that you're scum and didn't want to come forward earlier today when I asked, could use the retaliation chance.

[Captain Blackadder]

Fold Bet 30 credits on Civplayah

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow. You must think you're the big boss and everyone has to listen to you. You're theories get worse and worse.

Also, you didn't reveal like you said you would if others did. I told you people everything, and you are still gonna lynch me, which proves you are scum or very inept townies. I like how you make some grand secret plan that requires people publicly claim, then you balk and bandwagon me as well.

YOU AINT THE BOSS OF ME I DIDNT DO NUTHIN

[Earthling]

not spelling "your/you're" correctly = scum ;) Don't think the rest of the lies there need to be addressed, they are self evident.

I will point out one other thing though - nothing about MRD's claim rules out a cover role or a wholly false claim (he could even be using the cover role of another chaotic who just told him what to say). Presumably Blackadder is using meta-knowledge from his previous role and thinks this says something about MRD, but it doesn't. He claimed almost nothing that's not public - only the enemies list which the chaotics could know from a number of sources if it's even true, and could have taken the roleclaim from the links to other games at the start of the thread.

[Major Robert Dump]

REALLY, MY IDENTITY WAS ALREADY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE?

[Earthling]

No, the role of Rudolph was. Thus any scum constructing a cover role could have done what you did. Describe your item(s), personal ability(ies), and personal goal if you want to role reveal something that's not public knowledge and could indicate you're not a scum. It's scummy lies and strawmen like this that are repeated again and again with you. And with your "reveals" so far you even admitted to lying to everyone publicly about several of things, that in itself is more than enough reason for a lynch.

[Choxorn]

Beskar, I love you in this game.

You've got that awesome "don't give a :daisy:" attitude that always makes things more fun.

Only this game? You don't love him in every game?

Toe Of Suspicion: Chaotix


I don't understand how civplayah could have 0 credit to steal on Night 2.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?

It's possible multiple people attempted to steal from him, but I'd think that even if several people successfully stole more than he had, they'd still both get something.


What the????

If MRD is scum (I think he is now), so is Warman.

Fold. Bet: 15 credits on MRD

It's possible Warman and some other MRD unvoters are townie. He's been leading a Voting Block the past couple of days, which explains a lot of the item votes, coordinating it through PM's. I know myself, Arpeg (before he died), and Warman to be among the people he contacted. Trusting him and voting him items haven't been the smartest things I've done in this game.


Get on the voting train. Give me the Puffy shirt, Arpegg the Omega or Desert Eagle, and EliteWarman the Cartoon Mallet or Animator and we will return the favor with one of the other items (preferably the mallet or animator, since Arpegg is willing to trade votes for those items only)


Thanks for the vote, but it looks like we starte too late. Guess I missed out on the ole-boy network they got going on. If I can sway the lynch at the last minute with a max bet, I may do that, just out of spite. I doubt YLC is chaotic based on the manner in which B-Ray talks about the scan. A non-participant who is mafia still has its uses, because of the whole credit-total thing being used for victory. Anyway, thanks again. Let me know early next day what item you want to strive for

He tried to get me, and presumably, Warman, to save him a few hours ago:


I'll publicly claim if you vote CivPlayah and help keep me from getting lynched. These things they assume are false


Speaking of those PM's, a good deal of his conversation with me has been quite a bit scummy. Throughout the conversation, he made some probably false unsubstantiated claims and downright lies, and possibly even some rule-breaks to try to get something out of me and get me to join him in the votes. A lot of what he says doesn't make any sense for anyone to say, but especially not for an innocent to say.



Cards represent factions, with the number being the faction. You are on the right track.

How do you know?



I just gave you a piece of information that you will very soon find out is true as people start dropping dead. Believe it or don't believe it, but don't expect any more goose eggs from me until you give me something in return.


Having seen two Bizarros with different numbered cards, I'm not entirely sure I believe this any more. There are also 2 8's belonging to 2 different factions. It's still somewhat plausible, but highly unlikely.



I told u this info first because your observation means either you are very intuitive, you have a special role, or Blackadder was from the same sub- faction as you. That being said, you cannot legally tell me who you are, nor can I tell you, so tread lightly.

It was a guess. I reasoned that with the large number of games, especially several with few possible characters, there were probably a lot of small factions rather than a few large factions, as that's usually true in mafia games with factions anyway. That the numbers might correspond to factions was a logical guess from there.

My question now, is how did you know... or how did you suspect... that this was the case? You either guessed it like I did, or you have some secret info, in your role PM or otherwise, that told you.

[

There are 13 sets of face cards. I highly doubt there are 13 factions. It is far more plausible that each town faction has 2 sets of cards, for example 5 factions take up 10 sets, with the last 3 sets being anti-town, or some variation there of. If there were 13 factions it is statistically improbable that we would already be seeing doubles.

CPT Blackadder had a 2. I know of one other player who is Bizarro and also has a 2, I confirmed this info with 2 players with whom that player is PMing. The only other player I have shared this info with is Mystery. I will not give you his name because he allegedly has the detective ability, and for all I know you are Chaotic. Of course, this player and her two friends could both be pulling my leg in an effort to get undeserved protection.

And for the record, after the night phase, my card face value matches that of a teammate who was lynched. Furthermore, the individual who tried to murder me left behind evidence which points to his faction and possible identity, and his card value/faction matches that of a card value/faction of one of the deceased. I am not saying this in public because I don't want to catch heat and be lynched by his faction, and he doesn't know that I know. I am not worried about night phase, it's highly unlikely anyone will be able to kill me.

How did you find all of this out? I thought we weren't allowed to share what faction we belonged to and what numbers we had in private.


Nice job picking my alibi apart. you're right, We're not supposed to make private claims. And 25% of what I have said is true because I have to satiate your curiousity somehow without telling you who I am. It's called misdirection. But I am right about the cards. You will see. Nothing Inappropriate has been done and my PMs will prove it and are open for the mods to view.

If you don't want to coordinate, fine. I am trying to figure this card thing out by putting facts together, and you have a fact that I know is true. Stop asking questions that require me to figure out a way to prove to you what I am saying is true, resulting in me pulling a poorly-constructed explanation out of my ass.

You should also be advised that some people start this game with info on other players. People can also bluff faction/detective scans and confront the target, but the recipient of the scan cannot confirm their identity one way or the other. My intent has been to talk you into mutually sharing scan results, including scanning each other, and to coordinate item votes. I gave you a tidbit that is true about the cards. Trust me, Padawan, I can be on to vote just before the turn ends

So, MRD is scummy in thread, scummy in private, might have broken a rule or two on private claims, and is in thread generally acting like a :daisy:

Bet 30 Credits on: Major Robert Dump

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow, a public lie is worthy of death. I feel sorry for you then.

VOTE: 30 CIVPLAYAH


VOTE QUILLS: ELITEWARMAN
VOTE ROPE: CHOXORN
VOTE GAG: MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
DESERT EAGLE: THEFLUFFYONE
SHELL: BEEFY187
WOLFEN FIGHTER: BOW WOW WOW
FIREBALL: SKOOMA ADDICT

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow, a public lie is worthy of death. I feel sorry for you then.

VOTE: 30 CIVPLAYAH


VOTE QUILLS: ELITEWARMAN
VOTE ROPE: CHOXORN
VOTE GAG: MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
DESERT EAGLE: THEFLUFFYONE
SHELL: BEEFY187
WOLFEN FIGHTER: BOW WOW WOW
FIREBALL: SKOOMA ADDICT

[Earthling]

unvote, vote: Fireball to Renata it's better than any other options for that item.

[Major Robert Dump]

I broke no rules, everything was a lie except that I also have a 2, which matches the 2 of my dead clanmate, which is what started it all. You were the first person I talked to in the thread. i forwarded my PMs to the host.

[Earthling]

choxorn I'm worried that they might have won the vote. MRD, Warman, Blackadder, fluffy, and whatshisface plus acin's vote have like 160 total credits. We might want to fold and save ours, they'll prob lose on an Innocent civplayah.

[Askthepizzaguy]

TIME UP. No more votes will be accepted past 0100.


Standby for tally, writeup.

[Jolt]

Discussing what you cannot legally say just for the purpose of having an advantage and winning a mafia forum game at the expense of the rest of us is a disrespect, to be honest.

To be sure you actually die, here.

Raise: 30 credits on MRD

I don't really care about losing credits when its about putting poor players out of the game.

EDIT: BLARGH. Anyways, at least I don't lose more credits if you're townie.

[Major Robert Dump]

Fold; 5 credits ACIN
Bet: 10 credits on MJD

You had me at mistake.

Not me

[Major Robert Dump]

I did not discuss anything factual, it was all "someone else said this" and I never revealed anything about myself. It was pretend. I never said I had a 2, no one else ever PMd me their numbers or detective results, I was talking to no one else except some feeler PMs to mythmonster and he pretty much ignored me. Choxorm asked me how I knew all of that and I told him it was crap because it was.

None of the people who voted to save me had anything to do with this, and I had no contact with them until last round when Earthling and I started arguing. If you are going to crucify me, have at it, but don't think there was some big cheater ring because there wasn't.

[Seon]

:laugh2:

[Romanic]

Wow, a public lie is worthy of death. I feel sorry for you then.

VOTE: 30 CIVPLAYAH


Oh boy! I bet this highlighting will make MRD sweat all over the place. :laugh4:

[Seon]

Yeah. Now people just have to vig kill him during the night and we can be home by Christmas.

[Earthling]

Not me

The host has said a typo alone doesn't disqualify a vote. If you're scum this is really pathetic. Also by all rights the game host should replace ACIN (or also civplayah) with someone like Kagemusha, (as he stated none of the original reserve list is available but one of them if so) and ACIN's previous vote probably should not count as Kagemusha did not make that vote to lose his credits. If the tally is made with ACIN replaced and without his vote counted (and no, Roman, it is fair to count MRD's vote there, that could be called another misformat) then that's at least fair.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finally. Forum hiccup prevented me from doing anything but the tally so far. And, seriously, a close one.



* Hammer Brother's RED SHELL (10% vigilante item)

Beefy- 7 Beefy, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Skooma, choxorn, shlin, MRD
Beskar- Beskar, DIY, Autolycus
Earthling- Earthling
Mythmonster- Mythmonster


* Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory)

Believer- 4 Believer, Renata, God Emperor, Psychonaut
DIY- DIY, choxorn
Earthling- Earthling
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Bow-wow-wow- Skooma, Bow-wow-wow, MRD
Ironside- shlin
ACIN- ACIN
Fluffy- Fluffy
Robbie- Robbie, Chaotix

* Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item)

Believer- 4 Believer, Renata, God Emperor, choxorn
Earthling- Earthling
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Ironside- Ironside
Greyblades- Greyblades
Psychonaut- Psychonaut
Warman- MRD
MRD- Fluffy
Visorslash- Visorslash, Chaotix, DIY, shlin

* Fire Brother's FIREBALL (10% retaliatory item)

Renata- 7 Renata, Believer, Chaotix, Zack, Diamondeye, choxorn, Earthling
shlin28- DIY,
Ironside- Ironside
Skooma- Skooma, shlin, MRD


* Sideshow Bob's ROPE (10% bus driver item)

choxorn- 8 choxorn, Renata, Believer, Zack, DIY, shlin, Earthling, MRD
Chaotix- Chaotix,
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Autolycus- Autolycus
Fluffy- Fluffy


* Sideshow Bob's GAG (50% SILENCER item)

MRD- 5 Beskar, choxorn, DIY, Diamondeye, MRD
Fluffy- Fluffy, shlin
Renata- 5 Renata, Believer, Zack, Earthling, Autolycus
Chaotix, Chaotix




* Custom Desert Eagle: 10% retaliatory kill chance. (Branagh's Custom Desert Eagle)


Robbie- 3 Robbie, Chaotix, shlin
God Emperor- Believer, God Emperor
Zack- 4 Zack, Renata, choxorn, Earthling
shlin- DIY,
Ironside- Ironside
Fluffy- MRD


LYNCH

civplayah- 161 (2 Chaotix, 19 ACIN, 30 Warman, 20 Crazed Rabbit, 30 Fluffy. 30 Blackadder, 30 MRD :skull:

MRD- 160 (30 Earthling, 1 Visorslash 15 Robbiecon, 30 Romanic, 15 Zack, 10 Believer, 2 Link, 10Autolycus, 5 Renata, 10 shlin, 1 Jolt, 1 B_ray, 30 choxorn,
Earthling- 35 (30 Subotan, 5 Bow,
Subotan- 23 (5 dcmort, 3 Diamondeye, 2 Ironside, 5 Red_Spy, 8 myth,
ACIN- 16 (8 God Emperor, 5 Psychonaut, 3 DIY
Seon- 3 (3 Gamez,
Chaotix- 1 (1 Beskar,



Gosh, it would be great if someone could double-check this tally for me. In all seriousness, I'd hate for someone to die or lose out on an item due to a miscount.

I was very careful but mistakes are possible in a multipage thread where there seem to be a hundred vote posts or more.

[Romanic]

The host has said a typo alone doesn't disqualify a vote. If you're scum this is really pathetic. Also by all rights the game host should replace ACIN (or also civplayah) with someone like Kagemusha, (as he stated none of the original reserve list is available but one of them if so) and ACIN's previous vote probably should not count as Kagemusha did not make that vote to lose his credits. If the tally is made with ACIN replaced and without his vote counted (and no, Roman, it is fair to count MRD's vote there, that could be called another misformat) then that's at least fair.

Yeah, I guess the vote will be valid. Making him sweat is what I'm doing.... and there's still a chance that ATPG will rule it invalid. :laugh4:

What are you talking about with "If you're scum this is really pathetic" ?

Edit: xpost, and well the vote is valid. :smug2:

[Major Robert Dump]

Bah. I am colorblind.

After re-reading my PMs posted above, when I said I had a card matching one of the half a dozen people killed during the night phase, I mistakingly used the word "lynched" when I should have said killed, murdered or whatever. I think the formatting of the sentence should prove what my intent was, but now I see how it could be considered TMI. The intent was not to reveal my card, but to prove that some cards match by faction, and revealing my card to a complete strange would have made no sense anyhow. The host told me I was walking too close to the line after I volunteered the info to him, but at that time I did not realize the mixup in words noted above. It was not the only thing in the game details that I missed or understood.
I

[Romanic]

Yeah that tally looks alright, except that shlin is voting twice - Subotan should be a 23. No big deal.

Lol, we lost by one credit.

[Earthling]

I voted Zack the DESERT EAGLE as well, so no need for whatever tiebreak came into play there it appears

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay. Well, if I happen to be wrong, which I don't think I am, civplayah asked to be replaced/was going inactive anyway.

Fate rewards the decisive. You don't want to have massive tallies like that on two candidates, especially that close. Lose a lot of credits that way, no matter who dies.


Here we go....

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY THREE




https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DarkFalls.jpg





The Angelic One called the meeting of the evil creatures to order, and asked who among them was responsible for the murders happening at night. Today, the discussion was rather colorful and fierce, with tempers flaring and obscenities dropped, personal attacks thrown about, and Gameroom moderators stepping in to tell people to behave. It was a mess.

When it came down to the final hours before sunset, two main suspects emerged. One of whom was very loud and colorful, and the other was dead silent. In the final count, slightly more anger was directed toward the silent one than the loud one. And so they had decided.

Angelic One: "Bring the quiet one before me. Bring me.... civplayah!"


civplayah was sleeping in the back of the group, with drool running down his face.

"Let's get him!!!" Shouted Major Robert Dump, leading the charge. The evil creatures trampled over one another, trying to destroy this silent creature. But another faction, lead by Earthling and Romanic, tried to destroy Major Robert Dump. The two factions stood facing one another, and they gritted their teeth and stomped their hooves and loaded their weapons.


Angelic One: "I said bring me the quiet one! What are you doing?"

The evil creatures ignored the Angelic One and began brawling with one another, each trying to destroy their targets. Many villains lost a considerable amount of strength, and several limped away from the battle, wounded and exhausted. In the end, Major Robert Dump was still standing, and led his exhausted forces toward the sleeping civplayah.


"YOU! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THIS!!!" shouted Dump.

"Wha-?? What? What's going on? I already told you fools I wanted no part of this. What are you doing, get your hands off of me!" replied civplayah.

They tossed civplayah in front of the Angelic One, who had been growing impatient.



Angelic One: "Prepare to face your final judgment. Do you have any last words?"


civplayah: "Yes I do."


Angelic One: "....Well said."


And with that, the Angel summoned forth a pit of man-eating anteaters, and kicked civplayah into the pit to watch him die.


civplayah: "With my last breath, I CURSE ZOIDBERG!!!"





______________________________




Summary of events:


civplayah has been lynched!

civplayah was Professor Farnsworth, of the Springfield Mafia faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Farnsworth.png

civplayah was EVIL!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/23.png

9 of Hearts








Alive Players- (37/50)

A completely inoffensive name
Autolycus
B_Ray2 (Replacing Methos)
Beefy187
Believer
Beskar
Bow-wow-wow
Captain Blackadder2 (Replacing Double A)
Chaotix
choxorn
classical_hero2 (Replacing El Barto)
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
GamezRule
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ironside
Jolt
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump
Mythmonster2
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Zack

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero

Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One

TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One

YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two

Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two

civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three





BEGIN NIGHT THREE.

Everyone who wagered lost their wagered credits. Everyone who did not wager lost 1 credit.





* Hammer Brother's RED SHELL (10% vigilante item)

Beefy- 7 Beefy, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Skooma, choxorn, shlin, MRD
Beskar- Beskar, DIY, Autolycus
Earthling- Earthling
Mythmonster- Mythmonster


* Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER (FACTION SCANNING ITEM + 10% investigatory)

Believer- 4 Believer, Renata, God Emperor, Psychonaut
DIY- DIY, choxorn
Earthling- Earthling
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Bow-wow-wow- Skooma, Bow-wow-wow, MRD
Ironside- shlin
ACIN- ACIN
Fluffy- Fluffy
Robbie- Robbie, Chaotix

* Pocupiney's PORCUPINE QUILLS (10% defender item)

Believer- 4 Believer, Renata, God Emperor, choxorn
Earthling- Earthling
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Ironside- Ironside
Greyblades- Greyblades
Psychonaut- Psychonaut
Warman- MRD
MRD- Fluffy
Visorslash- Visorslash, Chaotix, DIY, shlin

* Fire Brother's FIREBALL (10% retaliatory item)

Renata- 7 Renata, Believer, Chaotix, Zack, Diamondeye, choxorn, Earthling
shlin28- DIY,
Ironside- Ironside
Skooma- Skooma, shlin, MRD


* Sideshow Bob's ROPE (10% bus driver item)

choxorn- 8 choxorn, Renata, Believer, Zack, DIY, shlin, Earthling, MRD
Chaotix- Chaotix,
Diamondeye- Diamondeye
Autolycus- Autolycus
Fluffy- Fluffy


* Sideshow Bob's GAG (50% SILENCER item)

MRD- 5 Beskar, choxorn, DIY, Diamondeye, MRD
Fluffy- Fluffy, shlin
Renata- 5 Renata, Believer, Zack, Earthling, Autolycus
Chaotix, Chaotix




* Custom Desert Eagle: 10% retaliatory kill chance. (Branagh's Custom Desert Eagle)


Robbie- 3 Robbie, Chaotix, shlin
God Emperor- Believer, God Emperor
Zack- 4 Zack, Renata, choxorn, Earthling
shlin- DIY,
Ironside- Ironside
Fluffy- MRD


LYNCH

civplayah- 161 (2 Chaotix, 19 ACIN, 30 Warman, 20 Crazed Rabbit, 30 Fluffy. 30 Blackadder, 30 MRD :skull:

MRD- 160 (30 Earthling, 1 Visorslash 15 Robbiecon, 30 Romanic, 15 Zack, 10 Believer, 2 Link, 10Autolycus, 5 Renata, 10 shlin, 1 Jolt, 1 B_ray, 30 choxorn,
Earthling- 35 (30 Subotan, 5 Bow,
Subotan- 23 (5 dcmort, 3 Diamondeye, 2 Ironside, 5 Red_Spy, 8 myth,
ACIN- 16 (8 God Emperor, 5 Psychonaut, 3 DIY
Seon- 3 (3 Gamez,
Chaotix- 1 (1 Beskar,

[shlin28]

Wow.... I wake up to this?

Basically everyone who waged 30 credits to save MRD is suspicious. I didn't think the case against MRD was that strong, but now that Warman and CB just jumped into this without any explanation.... either they are fellow chaotics or simply belong to the same faction/voting bloc, which is actually also detrimental to the Mafia's interests.

Also, could someone please protect me tonight? In retrospect saying that I belong to an 'endangered' faction may not have been such a great idea! Some unreconstructed Mafioso may like to off one of their rival factions :embarassed:

[God Emperor]

I am going to to quote a bunch of you, as the hours up to the lynch makes zero sense to me. In short people don't explain themselves at all.


Fold; Bet 15 on Civplayah

And yet not once did I see a mention of pancakes in MRD's speech.
But bananas are cool too.



No, I just don't feel like joining a bandwagon.

Skooma Addicts points this out as well.. This statement is Bogus and completely absurd.. You don't leave a bandwagon to join another bandwagon, with the explanation that you don't feel like joining bandwagons. So why exactly are you leaving the bandwagon for another?



Vote 20 on MRD

Seems he is the one to get the chop so I want to see if I can get some more money.


Fold Bet 30 credits on Civplayah

What is the reason captain blackadder? As far as I can see, MRD is leading the tally, so this is not an act to save credits anylonger


Unvote: Sideshow Bob GAG to MRD

Fold
Bet: 20 Credits on MRD

SAFOS: Fluffy


Right, I missed your previous, yet equally maddening posts. So to be clear, you quit one wagon to join another, then quit that one to rejoin the previous one? Skooma tinks u r a funneh Fluffeh.

Fold



Here you point out how fluffy is behaving strange, but this is not related to your fold at all.. to me it seems like the real goal of this post if the fold, and then you just talk to fluffy to deflect attention on the fold part. So why are you folding?


There is absolutely no point lynching MRD right now. He is out on the open now and can be offed by any faction at any point of time. Put the pressure somewhere else.

This post is not nonesense to me in the same way as the others.. But we are 52 minutes before deadline when you post this.. there won't even be time for pressure imo. If people change their votes (which they did) , then the target will just be lynched before he even has time to respond. Also 'He is out on the open now and can be offed by any faction at any point of time.' .. this statement goes both ways. As there is no point in lynching him, as he might be killed in the night, then there is no point in killing him in the night, as he then might/will be lynched. So taking the time into concideration, I don't see why it would be better to lynch a random person, than taking out a scummy player

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow. A whopping 5 person "bandwagon" saved me while a 12 person bandwagon could not.

If the host wants to fire/replace because of my early unintentional brush with the rules, which gained me nothing but hurt me considerably, then so be it.

The case against me was shaky from the start, as was the one before it. I am not a frequent player of these games, but nonetheless I know all this talk of "typical townie behavior" and "unusual player comments" is a farce. But to say that the 5 who defended me are somehow complicit in some grand scheme is bull headed. All they are guilty of is thinking that I was getting screwed by a bunch bandwagoners and people who didn't read the thread. We have no link to each other short of a couple of emails where I grovelled for help

[Renata]

Holy :daisy:

I don't know what else to day, I really don't. That's approximately the worst lynch I have ever seen. And I should have asked again to get the gag. Jeez.

Can I please get some PMs tonight from people who have intentions to try to protect others. I'm almost positive it's allowed to discuss night actions in that way as long as the means is not specified (since it could always be done with credits, so it implies nothing about native role or abilities). I want the people who drove the MRD bandwagon (as well as a couple others who look good from the Seon lynch) alive in the morning.

And I assume one of us will be silenced.

[Zack]

Un. Be. Leivable.