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Major Robert Dump
05-03-2011, 12:50
OUT. STANDING.
With this crack team of investigators on the case, we'll find Jimmy Hoffa in no time.
Why the [expletive] did you waste so many town credits saving yourself!
Inexcusable!
~:wave: Hi there, Earthling
If he ain't dead tonight, he's gonna be lynched.
Kagemusha
05-03-2011, 14:16
This whole debacle with MRD and Earthling is just a distraction. Meanwhile i sense utter scumminess in Renata who seem to be acting like a politician. She has certain opinions about certain people, but just not enough will to drive her cases.To me it stinks like she completely knows who the scum are, so all her talk is just a smoke screen.
Major Robert Dump
05-03-2011, 14:58
Why the [expletive] did you waste so many town credits saving yourself!
Inexcusable!
This is rich. So rich, in fact, that I will not comment.
I think less that this was an actual "distraction" orchestrated by scum and more of case of Detectives Who Suck and Will Not Listen To Reason, which allowed the scum to sit back and laugh.
Oh and before I forget
I told you so
Then make yourself useful and find out who was sitting back and laughing.
I need a few people with minor defense-of-others items or minor defense-of-others skills (or the willingness to spend 50 credits on defense with no guarantee of being successfully attacked -- only really practical for our resident coin thieves) to contact me, please. Mind the rules.
Well hot diggity. That was the best town-distraction I have ever seen.
Indeed, I saw through it when it started. I think people shouldn't be flocking to certain people for advice who have a track record of not delivering.
Surely the .Org is aware of the convention "Lynch All Liars"?
Surely the .Org is aware of the convention "Lynch All Liars"?
Speaking of that, who counter-claimed saying Rudolph was some one else? I believe Renata was the messenger of that nugget of information.
Renata, kill your source with a vig or lynch them tomorrow. This is not a request.
That's already been talked about; it was Earthling. You want to go up against that magical shield, be my guest. I'd rather try to kill a suspect who's not going to see it coming.
That's already been talked about; it was Earthling. You want to go up against that magical shield, be my guest. I'd rather try to kill a suspect who's not going to see it coming.
Oh. :laugh4:
Surprise, surprise.
EDIT: ~:wave: Hi there, Earthling
Earthling
05-03-2011, 20:19
Hi there cowardly scum!
Still can't come up with an actual reason to accuse me though can you? Go ahead, I'll list several that you've implied are lies but you don't want to commit yourself to a false accusation do you? You think my role claim is false, that I wasn't attacked by the chaotics, or what? Because otherwise you'll be trying to kill off a guy who is openly against the chaotics and was attacked by them twice and you know it, I'm not a chaotic.
There's an honest way to approach this here, and that's if Jolt is evil, the last thing he'll want is to try and waste hundreds of everybody's credits again tomorrow. Especially with him apparently saving so much of his own after all, that's another reason he should read the below carefully since if he is a lazy Innocent and saved all his stuff it could get stolen tonight.
So instead of hundreds of other people's credits tomorrow, don't we think Jolt should use some of his own tonight? Don't believe my role claim and self-defense ability? Come attack me, I don't mind. Bring a friend too for a second vig-attempt if you want, I'd guess you have about 20% odds of success if you were truly regular Innocents and aren't scum with hidden abilities to attack, that's not so bad, still less credits wasted at most compared to a hypothetical lynch tomorrow.
But I know Jolt isn't going to try that - the reason is he's too much of a coward if not a straight out scum, even a successful attack might reveal something about his character in the writeup or something, so he'd rather steer the lynch using other people's credits. But I'll give you a second, better option that's less of a risk - detective scan me. I also don't mind whatever you find out there and reveal because it's what I already said and it's true. And at the low cost of 80 credits it still saves everyone time and credits compared to your hypothetical lynch tomorrow. Otherwise the sheer pointlessness of trying to lynch an obvious non-chaotic with no reason - it's not like MRD scanned me either or something and has any reason to claim something about my role, he just wanted to save his own lying hide this whole time - is really sad.
I'd encourage everyone to note that for Jolt or others like them if they don't show up with a vig result or detective scan or something similar in hand and try to lynch me tomorrow then you know the case is false and pointless. If they want to claim something about my role is false or deny that I've been attacked, find a supposed non-chaotic vigilante who attacked me and not a scum or whatever. Please feel free to do this, but then you'll have a verifiable claim that you will hang for next if and when you lynch me and I'm evil.
Earthling
05-03-2011, 20:28
I had something else to recommend to anyone out there reading this about protection etc..., and that's that we would be fighting a losing battle with random attempts here, I don't think it's worth it. shlin could perhaps bus driver Renata with a random guy and not tell who and I'd ask one third person to add additional protection to shlin if they can do it. But after last night when I don't know how protection wasn't arranged on strong Innocent prospects like choxorn or Zack I'd recommend people to not blindly go about following someone's else's protection or roleblock orders or what, we'd just lose credits way too fast and help the chaotics because of that. They really have a wide open field of possible kills and we can't defend them all. If you're a random evil guy looking to spend some credits somehow, 20 or 30 credits to steal from the hoarders and potential scum would be far more effective, my impression is the scum are way ahead on steals seeing as they've drained several likely Innocents but I don't know of any potential scum who has been drained by stealing right now. If it were just up to me I'd call open season on stealing from Warman, Blackadder, Rabbit or any more serious lurkers we don't like.
a completely inoffensive name
05-03-2011, 21:21
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So kill warman, blackadder and rabbit.
Major Robert Dump
05-03-2011, 21:26
I guess a Queen died somewhere, and the new crown went to Earthling the Diva Drama Queen. In case her majesty has not noticed, her ideas and plans so far have worked out about as well as a fart at a funeral.
Even more telling is that Earthling calls for the death of "serious" lurkers like Warman and Crazed Rabbit when there are people out there who have posted far less, bet far less often, and had little or no input into this game other than showing up to vote 1 credit. And Earthling calls for Crazed and Warman to be lynched? Pathetic and obvious when you read the survivor list and realize just how many people have only said Bet 1 XXXX and nothng else.
Furthermore, Zack and Choxorm were not "obvious" innocents unless someone scanned them and didnt bother to tell the rest of us. The only thing that made them "obvious" is that they sided with Earthling against one MRD. Yet Earthling talks about how someone should have spent money to protect them? I suppose we should have protected
Robbiecon and Romanic, too? Just write us a shopping list.
In fact, Earthlink talks a lot about other people's money, and seems to have a problem with people being "hoarders." Earthling is also still unaware how bus driver works.
@Renata: I don't need to help solve anything. Now I will sit back and watch the house burn. My explanation too simple you say? think about that again, and the fact that there are cover roles that can only be revealed by an uncertain, expensive detective scan; and the fact that clans are gonna screw over other clans with the intent of policing their own clan last, for the sake of victory points; and the fact that this game is largely based on money, items and skills. 10 clans with 5 members, one of whom is chaotic or nuetral....too simple? sounds like chaos to me.
Anyway, I need to go on 4 days vacation before leaving the country: I'm headed to New Orleans to rent a hotel and rent a girlfriend for four days. Before I leave though, I needed to check with Earthling and make sure its okay. Can I go Her Majesty?
Earthling
05-03-2011, 21:28
If you can actually kill someone and plan to do it just off of something random like that, go ahead and attack rabbit, would be my recommendation, sure. Two of those three have been conspicuously absent since the day three lynch of civplayah and I don't know what their intentions are tomorrow, but they seem like good candidates for random scans, thefts or whatever in general too.
That's another thing I'd ask of Jolt or whomever wants to propose I am chaotic, go ahead and speculate who you think I'm working with. I'm happy to say that yes, I'm accusing a few folks of possible collusion as a group, from the original MRD lynch attempt anyone who bandwaggoned to up the credit tally and who does not admit to doing it out of factional squabbles. Because I clearly have had like zero allies in anything except for dead Innocents and no one supporting me in votes, night actions, or whatnot, the same is another obvious reason I'm not chaotic, but if people are being serious about it go ahead and try to come up with something.
edit - MRD, stop it with the completely wrong lies. You're clearly wrong about how you thought bus drivers work if you honestly think they do something other than switch two people with respect to actions that happen to then, and also nobody else still even said anything else about bus drivers this whole time besides you. You might derive pleasure from continuing to try to bring the town down out of spite even while dead but I think everyone collectively will disagree.
a completely inoffensive name
05-03-2011, 21:39
Even more telling is that Earthling calls for the death of "serious" lurkers like Warman and Crazed Rabbit when there are people out there who have posted far less, bet far less often, and had little or no input into this game other than showing up to vote 1 credit.
I don't know about you guys, but when I lurk I am always serious about it.
Earthling
05-03-2011, 21:48
And it's great that MRD doesn't get conjunctions but also wholly irrelevant. I'm serious about one thing, whatever happens in the next Day or two here - I'd like at least one person who wants to try to kill or lynch me to do so for a reason that isn't summed up by they didn't know how to read, (or of course did but are lying scum). So far we have not reading the writeup or declaring the thread is too long (which is really thanks to MRD and others) and not bothering to read anything at all being the chief reasons of two people against me. I get that nobody wants to actually contest my roleclaim, ability, item I mentioned, whatever because when proven wrong they would face backlash against their scumminess, but at least something a little better such as admitting to solely wanting me dead because of faction.
edit - and my vassal Diamondeye wanting me dead for metagame revenge for those times I successfully went after him when he was scum is not relevant to this game but I'll accept that reason too.
Major Robert Dump
05-03-2011, 22:50
MY GOD PEOPLE
Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."
They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.
The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions
BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC
MY GOD PEOPLE
Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."
They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.
The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions
BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC
Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...
I'm afraid MRD is wrong on this issue. The wording of ATPG on the first page may be a unclear, but a quick google search reveals that the a bus driver DOES switch the actions affecting the two people involved.
http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Bus_Driver
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver
Hi there cowardly scum!
Still can't come up with an actual reason to accuse me though can you? Go ahead, I'll list several that you've implied are lies but you don't want to commit yourself to a false accusation do you? You think my role claim is false, that I wasn't attacked by the chaotics, or what? Because otherwise you'll be trying to kill off a guy who is openly against the chaotics and was attacked by them twice and you know it, I'm not a chaotic.
There is absolutely nothing that I have stated about you that you have countered. 0. You always use other side-reasons like "It was a joke." or "You can't read the write-up" or "It's a fact that I'm right."
I'll give you a couple of facts.
- It's a fact that MRD revealed as Rudolph.
- It's also a fact that Renata did say that someone else had counter-claim it (You). - It's a fact as well that you were pushing for MRD's lynch on the base that he was actively cooperating with Seon (By having saved him) and was purposedly killing townie members. Therefore you argued that he could not be anything else other than a Mafia member.
- It's also a fact that later you apparently were also confirmed that MRD was not in fact Mafia. What you then tried to do is some sort of forcing MRD to confess that he was a neutral thief in exchange for him not being lynched.
- It's a fact you were trying to force the town to spend high credits to "even things up" with those who had spent high credits early, something it was pointed out it could be a scummy manuever that benefitted the Mafia.
- It's a fact you vehemently deny using an item to protect yourself. Fortunately Renata might have just confirmed (or not) that you have in fact an item (Why else would she say that anyone wanting to vig kill you would have to face your magic shield?); regardless even if this is not a confirmation on purpose, it still very much looks like you're using an item for your protection and yet you lied and sticked to your lie that you were not being protected by any item; though your credibility has hit rock bottom (Especially with Renata's mention) so I'll digress if you bring it up again.
- It's also a fact that you did not respond to my post asking you to link my actions in voluntarily saying to Greyblades and later to you that the Black Knight was strong for having KO'd a Sith Master with one blow, and because of that, why you think I'm hiding myself (Please, I REALLY want you to do this one.)
- It's a fact that MRD was then lynched as revealed as the townie he had originally claimed and that you had counter-claimed.
As I said said with A LOT of advance, beyond all these incriminating facts to you, what would count for me the most would be if MRD was indeed Mafia or not. And not only was he not mafia but you (purposedly I suppose, unless someone forced you to) counter-claimed the EXACT very same role of MRD, which made his credibility take an even greater hit. In fact, the fact that someone had counter-claimed his role was basically the only decisive argument that made me think he could be Mafia. Little did I know that it had been you who had counter-claimed.
There's an honest way to approach this here, and that's if Jolt is evil, the last thing he'll want is to try and waste hundreds of everybody's credits again tomorrow. Especially with him apparently saving so much of his own after all, that's another reason he should read the below carefully since if he is a lazy Innocent and saved all his stuff it could get stolen tonight.
Actually, contrary to you, I haven't been trying to direct the town's voting efforts. I have not said that they need to vote on you, or that they need to vote specific amounts to not be considered scum. In fact, the best way to catch is rather not to tell them how to vote and then in the mid-late game, see their amount and voting pattern and then presumably be able to find out who are the scum people through that.
I'm the one who is telling you and Romanic that I'm not gonna be forced to vote into specific people or specific amounts just because you two want to. Sorry, but I have no intention of wasting everybody's credits. Everybody is free to vote as they choose. The facts are already layed down for everyone to see. Oh don't worry, I've already been stolen. But I still got enough to bet on you.
So instead of hundreds of other people's credits tomorrow, don't we think Jolt should use some of his own tonight? Don't believe my role claim and self-defense ability? Come attack me, I don't mind. Bring a friend too for a second vig-attempt if you want, I'd guess you have about 20% odds of success if you were truly regular Innocents and aren't scum with hidden abilities to attack, that's not so bad, still less credits wasted at most compared to a hypothetical lynch tomorrow.
Oh, I bet you want me to waste my credits don't you? Sorry but I'm fiscally conservative. I don't like using my credits on things which have a high risk. I like to save my money. As Renata said, why waste my credits attacking a person which will be prepared (Since you'll use your item for sure, you won't waste any credits at all.) Why waste my credits this night and fail when I can use them to lynch you during the day in a much more successful manner? (Including the benefit of most probably getting them back!)
But I know Jolt isn't going to try that - the reason is he's too much of a coward if not a straight out scum, even a successful attack might reveal something about his character in the writeup or something, so he'd rather steer the lynch using other people's credits. But I'll give you a second, better option that's less of a risk - detective scan me.
You counter-claimed to someone who was being true. Further if you are the Black Knight, that means that you are surely Python Mafia and not Bizarro Mafia. In the lack of detective scanning items, falsely counter-claiming a bizarro mafia role when you are python mafia sounds like a pretty good detective scan to me.
I'd encourage everyone to note that for Jolt or others like them if they don't show up with a vig result or detective scan or something similar in hand and try to lynch me tomorrow then you know the case is false and pointless.
HAHA. This sentence is of epic proportions. On the very same day Earthling's case on MRD utterly collapsed and it was proven false, he attempts to lecture the town into knowing when a case is false and pointless.
Spare me the lecture. Contrary to you, I don't know if I'm right. Contrary to you, I didn't know if MRD was Mafia or not. In fact, I can't say for sure if you are Mafia or not. You do LOOK A LOT like one. Your credibility to talk to the town about right or false cases is 0.
Hi there cowardly scum!
That's a lot of text. But, you lied, ergo, we're gonna lynch you.
Major Robert Dump
05-03-2011, 23:46
Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...
I'm afraid MRD is wrong on this issue. The wording of ATPG on the first page may be a unclear, but a quick google search reveals that the a bus driver DOES switch the actions affecting the two people involved.
http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Bus_Driver
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver
You're right. I am lying again, because it is funny.
And my rental car isn't ready, so I feel the need to inform you, shlin28, I spilled some bodily fluids on your sweater.
You're right. I am lying again, because it is funny.
And my rental car isn't ready, so I feel the need to inform you, shlin28, I spilled some bodily fluids on your sweater.
:laugh4:
Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?
I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.
My mother told me never to trust anyone who said that a criminal just went through my house and I should unlock my doors so that he could investigate my house, Chaotics
Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?
I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.
:thinking2:
Almost my exact thoughts, Chaotix.
dcmort93
05-04-2011, 02:06
Anyone get the feeling that going after Earthling is just as much of a waste of time and credits as going after MRD was?
I mean, yeah, we have to watch him, but this is eating up so much of the thread that the real scum are likely floating right by without any worries.So then someone with a vig item tries to kill him. We know there are vig items out there as some of them have come up to a vote after their former owners died so why not use them
:thinking2:
Almost my exact thoughts, Chaotix.
So you share the same thoughts with Chaotic?
MY GOD PEOPLE
Bus drivers don't affect actions, they affect "effects."
They don't affect the action. If I try to kill someone and I get busdrivered with Snuffy, we don't switch targets or actions. We switch stats. So if Snuffy is good at theft and I am good at murder, I will now lose my murder bonus for a theft bonus and vice versa. I wont kill Snuffys theft Target and Snuffy won't steal from my vig target, the actions will stay the same but with perverted chances.
The idea that someones target for a vig or other action will get switched to another player is completely wrong. You want to use BD to take away a bonus or add a bonus. It is a conter to items and talents, not actions
BTW those of you who did not know something this obvious are obviously misleading the town or you did not get the same PM as the rest of us therefore: CHAOTIC
Major, for the love of the town, please shut up. Your text-wall arguments filled with lies and insults are actively harming the town by zapping the will of people to read posts and letting the scum hide well. You're not even remotely close with your accusations in all likelyhood.
Earthling, I say the same to you.
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2011, 04:25
Org Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006.
Earthling
05-04-2011, 06:00
Really? This was why there was a huge argument over bus drivers? I didn't respond earlier because frankly I didn't understand the two sides' positions... but now...
Yes, this must have been what MRD was after the entire time, and just like with several other things, including his theory about the playing cards, nobody else was even talking about it. But it's only one time in at least a half-dozen where everything he's said is because of completely failing to understand the rules just to start, when he hoped to make money in voting or claimed stuff like this. However this performance as a townie is still far better than Jolt's, if Jolt is a townie, because Jolt's argument is literally that not knowing how to read makes him right.
As for Jolt's post above, it's rather self-evident to others I'd imagine why it doesn't need addressing and so I don't think I would ask anyone else to spend too much time reading this or caring. But I'll answer him on all his silly points for one last try if he is a misguided townie (and spoilered to shorten the in thread appearance of text, of course)
I never claimed that I, Earthling, was Bizarro or anything like that. I claimed nothing about myself before my true role claim and every bit of it remains true. It's clear you are just lying about this, but on the chance you're not, go and read the thread and try to find the quotes you think express your point of view, because you keep on saying stuff was said in the thread that never was, by anyone. And then like I said, please bother to address my actual role, you have given zero reasons why you think I'm chaotic.
The point about being as "powerful as a Jedi or not or whatever" is just flat wrong, I dont' know why you still want to pretend you don't understand what flavor in a write-up means. This is a horrible argument and you know it, you might as well say all the South Park mafia must be utterly powerless because they are little animal creatures and not Jedi or whatever. In other words, whether you think a Jedi would be more powerful than some other character is a terrible argument against people's actual abilities or items in this game. This argument of yours is so obviously wrong you really should see why you need to stop.
That does bring me to the point of the item you're claiming is responsible for my defensive ability - I'm still right about this, but you need to make extremely clear what you are claiming and if you think you have a shred of proof. I did not defend myself with an item ability, and that's the truth, but if you want to claim otherwise you'd better put up so everyone can judge your claim. If I die, I will certainly have no such item and you will be proven a liar. Otherwise it's just sad how you continue to pursue irrelevant nonsense, you seem to accept that I've been attacked by the chaotics and can't be one of them after all but won't let logic like that guide your decisions.
Diamondeye
05-04-2011, 06:58
and my vassal Diamondeye wanting me dead for metagame revenge for those times I successfully went after him when he was scum is not relevant to this game but I'll accept that reason too.
Why doesn't anyone believe me when I say that I don't want Earthling dead? I just want him silenced. Every night. For the rest of the game. I am sure it would benefit the town.
Org Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006.
You know it! (cue Visorslash's post)
Earthling
05-04-2011, 07:01
You can't be serious, go and read the thread, please, or come up with something less nonsensical. I told you I don't think I should bother with stuff that can be solved by someone else bothering to read, or not being a scum pretending to have read something like the rules wrong, and I really think that's fair. It also reduces repetition and clutter in the thread which even talkative dead people paradoxically keep on about.
dcmort in case you didn't notice the cowardly Jolt is the one who the one vig item was voted to after all in that day of backscratching. I'm fine if he wants to try like I said, for others I'd recommend that several Innocents don't waste credits and effort on probable failed attacks on other Innocents, and I can't predict what the scum will do. He probably won't for the reasons that I also said, but I do like how he still wants to insist on other people wasting their credits in the lynch tomorrow.
I know you don't want your venerable lord and master dead, Diamondeye, and you shall be rewarded for your loyalty and valour.
Earthling, please, answer me this:
WILL YOU CLAIM?
Yes, this must have been what MRD was after the entire time, and just like with several other things, including his theory about the playing cards, nobody else was even talking about it. But it's only one time in at least a half-dozen where everything he's said is because of completely failing to understand the rules just to start, when he hoped to make money in voting or claimed stuff like this. However this performance as a townie is still far better than Jolt's, if Jolt is a townie, because Jolt's argument is literally that not knowing how to read makes him right.
As for Jolt's post above, it's rather self-evident to others I'd imagine why it doesn't need addressing and so I don't think I would ask anyone else to spend too much time reading this or caring. But I'll answer him on all his silly points for one last try if he is a misguided townie (and spoilered to shorten the in thread appearance of text, of course)
The point about being as "powerful as a Jedi or not or whatever" is just flat wrong, I dont' know why you still want to pretend you don't understand what flavor in a write-up means. This is a horrible argument and you know it, you might as well say all the South Park mafia must be utterly powerless because they are little animal creatures and not Jedi or whatever. In other words, whether you think a Jedi would be more powerful than some other character is a terrible argument against people's actual abilities or items in this game. This argument of yours is so obviously wrong you really should see why you need to stop.
That does bring me to the point of the item you're claiming is responsible for my defensive ability - I'm still right about this, but you need to make extremely clear what you are claiming and if you think you have a shred of proof. I did not defend myself with an item ability, and that's the truth, but if you want to claim otherwise you'd better put up so everyone can judge your claim. If I die, I will certainly have no such item and you will be proven a liar. Otherwise it's just sad how you continue to pursue irrelevant nonsense, you seem to accept that I've been attacked by the chaotics and can't be one of them after all but won't let logic like that guide your decisions.
Nothing new or interesting in this post except something that I'll address:
I never claimed that I, Earthling, was Bizarro or anything like that. I claimed nothing about myself before my true role claim and every bit of it remains true. It's clear you are just lying about this, but on the chance you're not, go and read the thread and try to find the quotes you think express your point of view, because you keep on saying stuff was said in the thread that never was, by anyone. And then like I said, please bother to address my actual role, you have given zero reasons why you think I'm chaotic.
Speaking of that, who counter-claimed saying Rudolph was some one else? I believe Renata was the messenger of that nugget of information.
Renata, kill your source with a vig or lynch them tomorrow. This is not a request.
That's already been talked about; it was Earthling. You want to go up against that magical shield, be my guest. I'd rather try to kill a suspect who's not going to see it coming.
Care to explain?
So either you are lying (Which isn't surprising anymore.) or Renata is.
classical_hero
05-04-2011, 12:15
Apologies for not being active, I am not feeling well right now.
God Emperor
05-04-2011, 12:47
Earthling, please, answer me this:
WILL YOU CLAIM?
What good will a roleclaim do?
Nobody can read, can they?
I never said that EARTHLING had claimed to be Rudolf. I said that Earthling had claimed that SKOOMA was Rudolf. Which he did. Which he was lying about, as he admitted to me. (Or maybe admitted isn't quite the right word; he apparently thought it was amusing until I started yelling at him.) Which he essentially admits in the thread afterward (note the mention somewhere or other of the funny little thing he did to Renata). He said he did it in order to give me the impression he had less money than he did, claiming the intention and later the result of having done a full scan on Skooma when all he actually had was information on Skooma's faction.
Earthling is a liar. He always does this, and he always tries to make it your problem, not his.
And that is all I am going to say. I've been down this road with him too many times to do it again. I just don't need the stress anymore. You're on your own, Earthling.
What good will a roleclaim do?
Make me feel better. Cause then I know who I'm killing before I kill em.
Well that is if he tells the truth. ;)
I mean if he isn't dead tonight. I have no kill ability. :(
Somebody's self-conscious.
I investigated Renata on night two and found out she is a choatic! I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!
Good game, Renata.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9 (http://nyan.cat/)
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-04-2011, 15:32
Thank god I'm still alive :laugh:.
thefluffyone93
05-04-2011, 16:10
I investigated Renata on night two and found out she is a choatic! I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!
Good game, Renata.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9 (http://nyan.cat/)
*Twitch*
THE HORROR.
Nobody can read, can they?
I never said that EARTHLING had claimed to be Rudolf. I said that Earthling had claimed that SKOOMA was Rudolf. Which he did. Which he was lying about, as he admitted to me. (Or maybe admitted isn't quite the right word; he apparently thought it was amusing until I started yelling at him.) Which he essentially admits in the thread afterward (note the mention somewhere or other of the funny little thing he did to Renata). He said he did it in order to give me the impression he had less money than he did, claiming the intention and later the result of having done a full scan on Skooma when all he actually had was information on Skooma's faction.
Earthling is a liar. He always does this, and he always tries to make it your problem, not his.
And that is all I am going to say. I've been down this road with him too many times to do it again. I just don't need the stress anymore. You're on your own, Earthling.
Ah sorry, I misinterpreted it. Nevertheless, why he did that is still quite unexplained. If the reason is: he lies and fabricates false counter-claims because that's what he does or he lied because he hated MRD for some out of game reason and wanted him dead out of spite so much that he claimed the role MRD had just to make sure he was lynched out of spite, then he is no use to town even as a townie. If he counter-claimed intentionally to kill off MRD then it is incredible foul play. Earthling is basically a great asset of the Mafia, intentionally confusing the town with his continued lies. As such, I won't be too upset if he turns out townie, since he hasn't helped us one bit.
https://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu150/Joltie/Nyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyan.png
Somebody's self-conscious.
I've been lynched over jokes before.
Make me feel better. Cause then I know who I'm killing before I kill em.
Well that is if he tells the truth. ;)
I mean if he isn't dead tonight. I have no kill ability. :(
I've been lynched over jokes before.
Doesn't make it any less scummy.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-05-2011, 02:47
Since I'm to lazy to sort though everything can someone sum up to me why MRD is being bangwagon aganist?
thefluffyone93
05-05-2011, 02:49
Because people like him less than they like Earthing.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2011, 03:27
10 hour shift today. I still have to process your orders, and I owe you a writeup from before.
As such, please accept my apologies as I request a 24 hour extension to this night phase. Feel free to send in orders, some of you are missing.
I'm fine with you not doing a write-up from last day if it means less work for you and a faster turn.
I second this motion (Jolt's, that is).
Believer
05-05-2011, 04:14
Quality over quantity gentlemen.
Hopefully everyone who wants to can get their orders in now. The game becomes more fun if no one is disappointed in themselves because they forgot or was hindered in some way from doing what they could've.
It's a little sad though, I was looking forward to the next lynch.
Earthling
05-05-2011, 06:18
Oh I agree, it's an awful lot less fun when the host purposefully decides to resurrect your dead allies into new, possibly scummy roles and screw over your plans with no forewarning.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2011, 09:48
Oh I agree, it's an awful lot less fun when the host purposefully decides to resurrect your dead allies into new, possibly scummy roles and screw over your plans with no forewarning.
It's an awful lot less fun on the game host when players break the rules, drop out without warning, don't send in orders, and/or complain constantly about something which the game host informed you he would explain after the game is over.
But you know what? I keep on truckin'. :cool:
It's an awful lot less fun on the game host when players break the rules, drop out without warning, don't send in orders, and/or complain constantly about something which the game host informed you he would explain after the game is over.
But you know what? I keep on truckin'. :cool:
HEY! HEY! HEY!
I SAID KEEP OOOO-W-N TRUCKIN'
TRUCKIN' THEM BLUES AAAWAY!
Oh I agree, it's an awful lot less fun when the host purposefully decides to resurrect your dead allies into new, possibly scummy roles and screw over your plans with no forewarning.
That's not a nice thing to say about the game host. (If there was a disgust smiley, consider it placed here.)
Oh I agree, it's an awful lot less fun when the host purposefully decides to resurrect your dead allies into new, possibly scummy roles and screw over your plans with no forewarning.
What plans and what allies? You shouldn't know who they are anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered because they might have been scum anyway. :dizzy2: Complete misnomer.
Earthling
05-05-2011, 16:01
It's an awful lot less fun on the game host when players break the rules, drop out without warning, don't send in orders, and/or complain constantly about something which the game host informed you he would explain after the game is over.
I asked specifically if you wanted me barred from talking about this and you did not say I couldn't. It's a very valid and probably useful strategy for the town to consider to pressure or wipe out the resurrected replacement people on principle, because replaced players are often scum roles.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2011, 16:08
I asked specifically if you wanted me barred from talking about this and you did not say I couldn't.
I never make it a rule that people can't complain about my games or voice their concerns. But, when I state that I'll address them when the game is over, and that I've already heard their concern, that means I'm done hearing about it. If when the game is over, my reasoning fails to satisfy, then I'll accept whatever criticism comes my way. And not until then.
...because replaced players are often scum roles.
You just pulling this logic out of your anus or is some basis for it?
Diamondeye
05-05-2011, 17:48
You just pulling this logic out of your anus or is some basis for it?
:daisy: am I looking forward to seeing "Daggers" pulled forth as an example.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2011, 17:52
:daisy: am I looking forward to seeing "Daggers" pulled forth as an example.
Daggers? From the anus? Sounds painful. Still, better out than in, I always say.
johnhughthom
05-05-2011, 17:58
Daggers? From the anus? Sounds painful. Still, better out than in, I always say.
Depends which it's inserted I guess. Though pulling it out may become difficult, but perhaps thats the point.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2011, 18:13
Depends which it's inserted I guess. Though pulling it out may become difficult, but perhaps thats the point.
Indeed. If, for example, the dagger was embedded in your skull, removing it from the anus would be a lot more trouble than it is worth.
Earthling
05-05-2011, 18:16
some basis for it?
Sure, you can go count how often it occurs in previous games and you'll see that replacements are far more likely to be scum than a random player otherwise. It's at least double the ratio in about the last 10 or so games I've been in - and this adds up even more accurately in games with active WoG policies, if somebody is clearly inactive and doesn't get WoG'd they are also much likely scum. Plus there's the clear fact that, say, civplayah who was an inactive Innocent in danger of being lynched was deliberately not replaced and was lynched after all helplessly. Yet there is supposedly some reason the others were, don't know about ACIN but he actually showed back up rather than being replaced. That's real advice to the town even if you waste your time trying to lynch me, you should look at the replaced people.
Plus it was implied that the replacements so far were meant to help balance something among the factions/evil-chaotic balance. But that can't really be proven if the host didn't have more to say in public - I did say ask ATPG before that it should be made clear that none of the official "reserve" players are actually available and the host should make everyone aware of that out of fairness but still, can't make that happen in thread. And since my Python team is still screwed by it no matter what I don't think I could see how it adds up if at all till the end either.
Diamondeye
05-05-2011, 19:02
Daggers? From the anus? Sounds painful. Still, better out than in, I always say.
No, I meant Andres' game Daggers in the Night where I was a replacement and also a vampire, fameously. It has special value in the case of Earthling, who is the "DE is a vampire" master.
Depends which it's inserted I guess. Though pulling it out may become difficult, but perhaps thats the point.
Oh the im-pun-ity.
thefluffyone93
05-05-2011, 20:53
Daggers? From the anus? Sounds painful. Still, better out than in, I always say.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/ducreux.png?t=1304625181
a completely inoffensive name
05-05-2011, 21:00
Omg, just end this night phase already so we can start the next day phase as soon as possible. I'm tired of seeing the same 3 names on every post on every page.
Omg, just end this night phase already so we can start the next day phase as soon as possible. I'm tired of seeing the same 3 names on every post on every page.
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Ok, I'll stop spamming now.
thefluffyone93
05-06-2011, 00:12
.......
I'm sure I saw Diamondeye, ATPG, and me on this page to.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9XRtnfAiC8
Beefy187
05-06-2011, 00:48
Brains
Brains are very delicious, and I'm glad you agree with me on that.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 03:11
MRD: 210 (3 God Emperor, 2 Visorslash, 40 Subotan, 9 Diamondeye, 5 shlin, 4 DIY, 10 Beefy, 7 Earthling, 1 Jolt, 1 Bow, 1 B_ray, 2 Chaotix, 5 Romanic, 5 robbiecon, 10 Greyblades, 5 Renata, 20 Autolycus, 1 Ironside, 20 Believer, 5 Psychonaut, 4 Gamez, :skull:
Earthling: (40 MRD)
Crazed Rabbit (1 Beskar)
KAHLESS
God Emperor: God Emperor, Diamondeye, Shlin, Renata,
Visorslash: Visorslash
Beskar: Beskar, Chaotix
shlin: DIY, Earthling
B_Ray: B_Ray, Fluffy
GLASSES
Diamondeye: Diamondeye, God Emperor, shlin
Earthling: Earthling
Fluffy: B_Ray, Fluffy, Chaotix
ICE CREAM TRUCK
Subotan: Subotan
shlin: Renata, Diamondeye, DIY, Beefy, Earthling, shlin, robbiecon
Chaotix: B_Ray, Chaotix
dcmort93
05-06-2011, 04:17
bout damn time
Back on topic, I personally think that both MRD and Earthling are innocent as well as Jolt if only because most mafia would not take this much time to bicker with the town. I'm gonna FOLD
umm credit wise for myself I should only be loosing one this time around pizza
thefluffyone93
05-06-2011, 04:19
MRD: 215 (3 God Emperor, 2 Visorslash, 40 Subotan, 9 Diamondeye, 5 shlin, 4 DIY, 10 Beefy, 7 Earthling, 1 Jolt, 1 Bow, 1 B_ray, 2 Chaotix, 5 Romanic, 5 dcmort, 5 robbiecon, 10 Greyblades, 5 Renata, 20 Autolycus, 1 Ironside, 20 Believer, 5 Psychonaut, 4 Gamez, :skull:
...................................
Overkill is the use of excessive force or action that goes further than is necessary to achieve its goal, most commonly in acts of violence.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/overkill_by_paxtofettel-d302w46.jpg?t=1304651931
Oh look, I got an item!
YAY.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 04:21
umm credit wise for myself I should only be loosing one this time around pizza
Corrected.
Yo, people. Long story short, I just got my comp back, and now I really don't want to read 20 pages.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 05:21
DAY FOUR
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DarkFalls.jpg
The crowd gathered at the center of the city. The Angelic One appeared and addressed them as usual.
Angelic One: "I hope you were a bit more decisive this time?"
The mob was foaming at the mouth, and had already bound and gagged the one known as Major Robert Dump, who suffers from an excess of wit, charm, sophistication, and ostentatious personality. The mob was in such a frenzy to kill this man that they began trampling on one another in an effort to tear him apart.
Angelic One: "Very well, I shall dispense with the pleasantries and read a poem. AHEM...."
T'was Cinco de Mayo, and all through the city
The mob lynched one of their own without pity
A reindeer with a nose that glowed oh so bright
And would serve as a guide for their slaying that night
They tied him up tight and they chained him with care
They kicked him and choked him and bathed him in Nair
They hit him with bricks and bashed him with sticks
And they forced him to listen to some Stevie Nicks.
They choked him with his collar As they yelled and they hollered
And they accused him of being a traitor most foul
But he stamped his feet and snorted and said
"Man, you guys must all be brain-dead
There's no way that I am a traitor, I say
Now stand back or I'll scan you with my Butt X-Ray!"
Was he bluffing? They decided to call Robert's bluff
And they punched and they bit and they kicked him quite rough
They pounded and smashed him and stomped him quite flat
Until they could unroll him and use his fur like a mat
But wouldn't you know it, with that son of a gun
It seems that their torment wasn't quite done
For the Angelic One summoned a creature so foul
That after one look, Dump started to howl
He scampered and whimpered and emptied his bladder
And the mob turned to see just what was the matter
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/satan_claus-1.jpg
And they saw with their eyes a figure so mean
A drunken, disorderly, reindeer-killing machine
And this figure laughed mightily, smelling quite rank
As he stood atop his jolly old Tank
And next to murderous Claus sat a murderous Bunny
An Easter-time fiend who found this quite funny
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/crazy.jpg
And Santa fired his weapon and blew Dump to bits
In between disturbing, demonic, psychotic laughing fits
And he drove the tank over Dump with such glee
As the Easter Bunny decorated the Slaughtering Tree
Dump's intestines went round and round the frightening pine
And his bones were displayed, dangling from twine
His hooves were hung up and strung up with much care
And his brains were strewn about with much flair
And his meat was ground up and served up with kibble
As Santa's dog "Scrumptious" looked on with a dribble
Of saliva dribbling down from his fangs that he bared
Certain this time his food wouldn't be shared
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Dog.jpg
And at last Santa Claus, and his vicious German dog
Got revenge on evil Rudolph, the fat greedy hog
And Scrumptious ate him up quick, as quick as a flash
And then Santa and Scrumptious then had to dash
"So long folks, it's surely been fun
getting revenge on the stupid red-nosed one
Now be good little boys and girls, or I might
Rip your intestines apart with a huge butcher knife"
And they heard him exclaim, as the tank drove out of sight
"Happy Cinco de Mayo, and to all a good night!"
______________________________
Summary of events:
Major Robert Dump has been lynched!
Major Robert Dump was Rudolph, of the Bizarro Mafia Faction!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Rudolph.png
Major Robert Dump was EVIL!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/52.png
2 of Diamonds
Alive Players- (34/50)
A completely inoffensive name
Autolycus
B_Ray2 (Replacing Methos)
Beefy187
Believer
Beskar
Bow-wow-wow
Captain Blackadder2 (Replacing Double A)
Chaotix
classical_hero2 (Replacing El Barto)
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
GamezRule
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ironside
Jolt
landlubber
Link
Mythmonster2
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Deceased-
Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 06:30
NIGHT FOUR
Hey, why won't you listen?
Can't help the people you're missing
It's been done, a casualty re-run
Welcome to the family
I try and help you with the things that can't be justified
I need to warn you that there is no way to rationalize
So have you figured it out now?
So have you figured it out?
You can't win this fight
And in a way it seems there's no one to call
When our thoughts are so numb and our feelings unsure
We all have emptiness inside
We all have answers to find
But you can't win this fight
Gunning for you and all mankind
I've lost my mind
Psychotic rabid dementia
I won't be fine
I see you're a king who's been dethroned
Cast out in a world you've never known
Stand down, place your weapons by your side
It's our war, in the end we'll surely lose but that's alright
So have you figured it out now?
So have you figured it out?
And in a way it seems there's no one to call
When our thoughts are so numb and our feelings unsure
We all have emptiness inside
We all have answers to find
But you can't win this fight
Deep inside where nothing's fine
I've lost my mind
You're not invited, so step aside
I've lost my mind
-- Avenged Sevenfold
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She stood ready to defend herself, and it seemed when the powerful figure with black wings approached with medieval weaponry, she was more than a match for him.
In a flash, she drew a weapon and began firing rapidly. The powerful figure was extremely fast, but not quite able to dodge projectiles of this speed. In fact, the figure seemed to be limping.
The creature continued to advance, but she was ready. She aimed something at a nearby building and fired. In seconds, she was whisked away from the battle, and the figure approaching with blades and a spiked mace could do nothing to follow her.
The figure bared its fangs and roared in anger, and wiped the blood from its face.
______________________________
A masked figure approached Captain Blackadder2, wielding a chainsaw. Captain Blackadder moved quickly to draw her weapon and fire it at the chainsaw-wielding maniac. As Blackadder unloaded the weapon, the chainsaw freak continued to advance, and Blackadder had no choice but to turn and run.
Blackadder turned a corner and dashed down the alley, only to find there was no exit, just a gigantic chain link fence blocking her path.
Dropping the weapon, Blackadder tried to climb the fence to escape to the other side, but a cackling voice was almost upon her. The chainsaw tore Blackadder's legs from her body.
Dropping to the ground in pain, Blackadder could only watch in horror as the figure lowered the chainsaw down, and severed her at the neck.
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______________________________
Jolt stood at the top of the highest building in all of Purgatory, watching the events unfold. He could sense a presence approaching, and so he turned to face the danger.
Thinking quickly, Jolt activated his personal force-field generator to defend himself.
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"I know you are here. Your thoughts betray you. I can feel fear.... I can feel anger. But you don't use them. Give yourself to me... allow me to complete your training. Allow me to show you the Force as it truly is. Learn to use the Dark Side...."
Suddenly, Jolt felt a sharp pain in his back, and so he turned around and fired a blast of Force Lightning. But nothing was there.
"It's useless to resist. Don't make me destroy you...."
Again, Jolt felt a sharp pain. Somehow, the enemy had penetrated his force field. Jolt unleashed his purple lightsaber and began hacking away at the darkness, attempting to destroy his nemesis.
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Then, he saw it. The creature which had penetrated his defenses, his attacker. It was right in front of his nose. Jolt burned with anger, and prepared to decapitate the insane creature. But then he saw.....
He looked the creature in the eye, and he could not move. He could not understand what was happening to him. He lost his connection to the Force, and was filled with overwhelming.... something. He could not overpower this terrible force... this mind-altering force.
The creature just looked at Jolt, and stared into his soul.
"..................."
Suddenly, Jolt took his own lightsaber and embedded it in his chest, killing himself. And so the most powerful Jedi ever was slain by a creature so dangerous, if I were to describe it to you now, would cause you to fall to the ground, helpless.
______________________________
Beskar was walking through the city, eyeing his surroundings. He felt as though he was being followed. He expected that, and knew it was coming.
He knew his lucky badge wouldn't let him down. That's why when he felt a long sword impale him through the chest, and stared into the green, burning eyes of his attacker, he simply grinned.
Then he felt the blood pour down his body. He couldn't understand what was happening.... surely this could not be happening, not to him. Didn't they realize? Didn't they realize what they HAD DONE???
"You'll pay the price.... for your..... BETRAYAL!!!!" shouted Beskar, as the Omega Virus took control of his body. He began to transform, from a normal human being, into a gigantic titan of terrifying strength, unstoppable power, and limited intellect.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ElGigante.png
"VENGANZA!!! VENGANZA!!!" the creature shouted, burning with rage and hatred.
The green-eyed swordsman stood back, and lifted a hand. A massive Flare engulfed Beskar, causing him to writhe in pain. Then, the swordsman went in for the kill, and began hacking the giant to bits, starting with the legs.
The Beskar creature swung its massive fists, even landing several blows, but the green eyed swordsman was far more powerful than he appeared. Nothing could damage him......
Beskar roared with rage at the betrayal.... and shouted out his name with all his hatred.... but no one could understand what Beskar was saying.
The swordsman jumped atop Beskar's chest and decapitated him, ending his life, and his struggle, permanently. The green eyed figure walked away with a smirk.
______________________________
Elsewhere, Backwards Logic lay deceased.
A gigantic, powerful looking figure approached, and muttered some arcane, incomprehensible words.
A glorious light engulfed the body of the fallen Fire Brother, and its life was restored.
The figure walked away before identifying itself.
______________________________
Summary of events:
Backwards Logic has been revived!
Beskar has been murdered!
Beskar was Psycho Andy, of the Psychotic Mafia Faction!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/DetectiveAndy.png
Beskar was NEUTRAL!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/40.png
5 of Diamonds
Jolt has been murdered!
Jolt was Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded, of the Space Mafia Faction!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/BaneAnded.png
Jolt was NEUTRAL!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/1.png
Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2 has been murdered!
Captain Blackadder2 was Claire Raval, of the Dark Falls Mafia Faction!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ClaireRaval.png
Captain Blackadder2 was EVIL!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/38.png
5 of Spades
Alive Players- (32/50)
A completely inoffensive name
Autolycus
B_Ray2 (Replacing Methos)
Backwards Logic (revived)
Beefy187
Believer
Bow-wow-wow
Chaotix
classical_hero2 (Replacing El Barto)
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
GamezRule
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ironside
landlubber
Link
Mythmonster2
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Deceased-
Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
Items to be voted on:
10% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (SANTA'S VODKA)
50% silencer chance. Rudolph's (GAG)
30% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (TANOOKI SUIT)
10% bulletproof chance. Psycho Andy's (LUCKY BADGE)
10% retaliatory kill chance. Psycho Andy's (OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE)
10% vigilante kill chance. Claire Raval's (CUSTOM BERETTA)
10% investigatory chance + FACTION SCANNING ITEM. Bane Anded's (JEDI HOLOCRON)
10% vigilante kill chance. Bane Anded's (KILLER RABBIT)
10% bulletproof chance. Bane Anded's (SECURITY FORCEFIELD)
Result PMs will go out as soon as I get the chance.
reminder: Max wager for this round (Day Five) is 50 credits.
Vote: Santa's Vodka, Tannoki Suit, Lucky Badge, Security Forcefield to myself.
Bet: 2 on Earthling
Willing to trade item votes for any bulletproof ones. ;)
Believer
05-06-2011, 07:44
Vote: Security Forcefield to myself
Vote: Santa's Vodka to Visorslash
Pwetty pweez? :)
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 07:46
reminder: Max wager for this round (Day Five) is 50 credits.
Added to writeup.
ATPG, can I unvote item votes?
dcmort93
05-06-2011, 07:58
I'll Bet 40 credits on Earthling for the time being
Believer
05-06-2011, 07:59
@Visorslash: Yes you can.
Okay, thanks.
Then Unvote; Vote: Security Forcefield to Believer
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 08:01
ATPG, can I unvote item votes?
Yes.
@all- PM results are out. Reminder to dead people, mind the rules for what you can and can't reveal.
If you suspect there's an error in your results, PM me immediately.
For now, I'm napping. G'night.
God Emperor
05-06-2011, 08:37
Right.. I have been stolen from this round. I suppose the thief would be after my retaliation item, but that was not what was stolen. If the thief would be so kind, I would like that person to contact me.
I'll Bet 40 credits on Earthling for the time being
:stare: Why do you place such a huge bet? .. and then even add 'for the time being'. To me it seems rather contradictory.
Diamondeye
05-06-2011, 08:46
I need the Jedi Holocron as my own item was stolen last night >_< I'm willing to exchange votes for it... I.e. Security Forcefield to Believer and Santa's Vodka to Visorslash.
Seems I'm never going to have enough money to do anything. So I'm going to put all my money into bets, because well, at least then you trolls can't steal it from me.
Bet: 39 credits on Earthling
Vote: OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE to myself
Willing to exchange votes, you for me, me for you.
Vote: OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE to Psychonaut
Vote: Jedi Holocron to Diamondeye
Earthling
05-06-2011, 09:01
I cannot believe you people are this ignorant. As a revived Innocent, Backwards Logic should get almost all of the items or at least his pick unless he has better ideas, vote him the scanner and bulletproofs at least, can format that a little later. Meanwhile, neh neh dead neutral liars, not even Innocent and couldn't read, overall amazed the night went so well.
Vote: Lucky Badge and Security Forcefield to Visorslash
3 lines too many mate. (Earthling).
:P
Thanks Psychonaut, it is appreciated.
I cannot believe you people are this ignorant.
It comes with the territory. Aside from Pizza's game posts, I've read maybe 10 posts of the 1000 that have been made. I read maybe 3 posts a round then ignore the ensuing spew of random posts. Regardless, a pro-tip is that if you claim awesome pro-town ability then you'll likely be lynched regardless. So if you want me to vote elsewhere then it'll have to be in the next few posts otherwise my creds will stay where they are for a lack of attention to this thread.
Believer
05-06-2011, 09:09
Vote: Jedi Holocron to Diemondieu (Diamondeye)
Scanning for everybody!
Diamondeye
05-06-2011, 09:14
Omega virus sample to Psychonaut :bow:
Greyblades
05-06-2011, 11:10
Vote: santas vodka, tanooki suit, lucky badge and security forcefield for myself
I'll settle for only the tanooki suit if I must.
Bet: 30 Credits on Earthling
I'll vote something for you if you vote something for me?
Diamondeye
05-06-2011, 11:32
My browser says Visorslash's last post was posted by a mobile device! "Post by phone" syndrome!
Also, Tanooki suit to Greyblades
Phone? It was via computer.
Aww, a pity. As is most probable, I was killed by the Mafia. Do lynch Earthling.
I got a confession, I am a super duper investigator which can see into your souls and read your naughty little secret abilities!
Beskar, I love you in this game.
You've got that awesome "don't give a :daisy:" attitude that always makes things more fun.
fold; bet 1: Chaotix
Something is up, you are sucking up to me... I'll rip the secrets from your very soul!
:thinking2:
Almost my exact thoughts, Chaotix.
So you share the same thoughts with Chaotic?
I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!
Good game
:bow:
reminder: Max wager for this round (Day Five) is 50 credits.
I'll vote something for you if you vote something for me?
How about no, scummy?
Since it seems none of my plans for last night worked,
bet 5: visorslash
Cases against you and mythmonster incoming as time permits.
And I still deserve that gag.
Gag to Renata
Shlin should get his tanooki suit back.
Tanooki suit to Shlin
Otherwise I believe Backwards Logic should in fact get some of the items; I'll start with
Santa's Vodka and the Omega virus sample to Backwards Logic (glad you're back, buddy; hope you have fun)
There's also a player I think is very likely innocent whose name hasn't really come up as such in public yet (and I'd like to keep it that way). Shlin knows who it is. I'd like to get a bulletproof item and transfer it to him.
Lucky Badge
Security Forcefield to Believer since he's been so sweet.
And Jedi Holocron to Diamondeye.
I think that's everything but the vig items.
Whoops,
Lucky Badge to Renata
bet 5: visorslash
... :inquisitive:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053307968&viewfull=1#post2053307968
Vote: Jedi Holocron to Diamondeye
Kagemusha
05-06-2011, 14:04
Lynch Renata already will you.
Believer
05-06-2011, 14:15
Lynch Renata already will you.
What's the point? We're already down a lot of Evils.
And you'll be down another if you lynch me.
What's your case Renata, if this is anything like the Chamber, I'll be lynched anyway.
Backwards Logic
05-06-2011, 14:34
i'M b@Ck!
...
Seriously though, awesome. It's good to be alive again.
Since I have no time right now (work and all...), I'll do a quick post now where I vote a bunch of things to myself, namely all of the bulletproof items (Santa's Vodka, Tanooki Suit, Lucky Badge, and Security Forcefield all to me (Backwards Logic)). It'd be silly to spend a ton of credits on reviving me, then leaving me utterly defenseless for the following night. I'm flexible on the other items, so if someone can convince me they'd be a good choice for the retaliatory items and/or vig items I'll send my votes that way. I'll be back on later, probably 13-14 hours from now.
Greyblades
05-06-2011, 14:58
I'll vote something for you if you vote something for me?
Sure. Unvote
Vote: Tanooki suit and santa's vodka to myself
Vote: security forcefieldand lucky badge to visorslash.
Here are all of Visorslash’s posts of substance, minus a couple of jokes and stuff. Note he missed the first couple of days of the game.
Hi. Back. Will participate frequentlier.
Quills to myself.
Wll be actually betting later and voting for other items to other people later as well.
Why the need to reassure people that you will be around to do the other votes later? The first post is excusable under the circumstances, the second looks, as God Emperor noted, like you’re just trying to show you’re acting like a proper townie.
Bet: 1 credit on.......... Major Robert dump
Comp is dead so don't really like the idea of typing item votes out to people cause it will take ages. If I have time to waste, tonight I shall do so.
And I will respond to god emperor as well.
Posting from phone = scum.
More seriously, this comes right after Romanic’s long accusation post (like five posts later). You can’t find a single word to say about that, but you *can* spend time to explain why you’re not making any other item votes?
Ya what? I missed day one, night one and day two cause I was away. Just saying that I will be participating in the daytime. I haven't been active because of that absence. Usually when I am active I get lynched.:laugh4:
But yeah, I will be participating as well as I can.
The promised response to God Emperor.
We could organise it I suppose.
Response to my suggestion that people try finding out if resurrection is their hidden power. My don’t you sound enthusiastic. And what’s to organize?
Sword of kahless to myself.
Bet: 2 credits on MRD time to die scum.
Anyone want the others?
Yes, everyone can. But that is neither here or there. Vote for MRD.
Hey MRD, you reckon I should switch to voting earthling? Cause he looks scummier than you ATM, and at least you'reattepting something, even if you did lie.
Well that’s a bit of an abrupt switch, but OK.
Earthling. We need info and soon. Otherwise I'm voting for your lynch.
If he ain't dead tonight, he's gonna be lynched.
You claim or we kill.
Earthling, please, answer me this:
WILL YOU CLAIM?
What the heck was the point of all this? Chaotics have cover roles. His claiming his role would prove nothing one way or another. (Claiming his *actions* might be useful, but that’s not what you’re asking.) You’re just flogging something that doesn’t matter, over and over. Why? Just to make Earthling look bad if he doesn’t answer fast enough?
Make me feel better. Cause then I know who I'm killing before I kill em.
Well that is if he tells the truth. ;)
This is the post that elevated Visorslash from person of interest to major suspect to me. It’s the last sentence, which seems to have been added in an edit. With that sentence, Visor seems to be trying to deflect any idea that he might already KNOW that Earthling is telling the truth with his role claim, which would be the case for chaotics (more or less, barring any further serial killers or whatever) but not for regular evils.
Thing is – why should it even occur to you that you would need to make such a disclaimer? Clearly you wrote that first part, then had a moment of “oh :daisy: I just said something I shouldn’t have”, but how many townies would it even occur to that they’d said something suspicious? My guess is not a whole heck of a lot.
I mean if he isn't dead tonight. I have no kill ability. :(
And then this, 15 minutes later, a further disclaimer that oh no you didn’t mean you would *kill* Earthling, of course you’re just talking about the lynch, haha.
I've been lynched over jokes before.
Vote: Santa's Vodka, Tannoki Suit, Lucky Badge, Security Forcefield to myself.
Bet: 2 on Earthling
Willing to trade item votes for any bulletproof ones. ;)
And I’ll stop here. Any particular reason you’re so interested in bulletproof items, Visor? More to the point, any reason you didn’t *say* why you’re so interested in bulletproof items? You’d think someone who’d been attacked would be trumpeting it from the heavens. I assume the vig(s) did follow through, but failed.
thefluffyone93
05-06-2011, 15:20
Save Logic!
We need it to make right decisions!
......................
Oh.....its Backwards Logic?
Why we need that?
......................
He's evil?
Good enough.
Vote: Santa's Vodka, Tannooki Suit, Lucky Badge to Backward logic
Greyblades
05-06-2011, 15:22
If it turns out that fluffy and backwards logic are scumbuddies or at least on the same team, I'd like to say I called it.
thefluffyone93
05-06-2011, 15:27
If it turns out that fluffy and backwards logic are scumbuddies or at least on the same team, I'd like to say I called it.
NO U.
Mythmonster2, minus fluff:
Ah yes, the fun of the first day.
Bet: 1 credit on choxorn
How ya doin, buddy?
It's a wall o text... on the first day with no serious accusations. Granted, it is about betting and the tactics thereof, but a good as reason as any, I suppose! Certainly better than my vote on choxy.
Fold; Bet one on Earthling
Do note my confidence in the bet.
So mythmonster is one of the people who contributed to the lynch-Earthling fund on day one, when Seon was in trouble. What I find interesting about him in particular is that
1. He changed his vote to do so; and
2. He disclaimed confidence in his new vote.
Both of these are what you might expect from a Mafioso trying to sneak in a teammate-helping vote without drawing too much notice. “It’s as good a reason as any!” = FAKE.
(Note also that I don’t think mythmonster has said boo in this thread since I first pointed out the possible Seon connections of him and a few other people, which reminds me of Husar in VotA.)
When did Byzantine state that? (The pro-chaotic part, not the picking on a new member)
Yo, Byzantine; no hard feelings from me to you. I dunno about you. You might still think me suspicious. Also, Texans FTW!
Besides that, why was Captain lynched anyways? I don't see anything particularly bad he did, but then suddenly people started placing 10 credit bets on him.
Byzantine had had a bet of a couple of credits or so on mythmonster at some point day one, before moving it. And mythmonster needs to reassure Byzantine that *he* doesn’t have any hard feelings from it? That’s what you call snuggling in the mafia trade, and it is extremely scummy.
The last bit just looks self-conscious.
What I think is going on is that if you bet on a person, they get lynched, and they're anti-mafia, then you get a positive return. Also, betting more credits gives more chances of that person being killed. Two people betting 50 each would beat 5 people betting 5 each, if I have this down correctly.
Being helpful to a bow-wow-wow question about why ever bet more than 1 credit. The first part is wrong, but half the game seemed to have that impression for a while there. “If I have this down correctly”? Of course you do have it down correctly, MM, you just made a comment about Captain Blackadder’s lynch that presupposes that being the case. FAKE.
Meh, I don't see anyone particularly trustworthy of the items, nor do I expect myself to be able to use any of them. Also, dead people talking makes me confused. As for the lynch... not quite sure yet.
Vote: Abstain
Oh, you’re confused.
Vote: a completely inoffensive name
This is the day before the big bandwagon on ACIN; it’s only day two.
Yeah, kinda expected that. Sorry for not providing any support for the vote; I only had a minute and I just wanted to get my vote through, since I (correctly) predicted I wouldn't be able to get on for a day or so. His vote was only bandwagoning (the Renata one, by the way, I find very weak) and then he instantly went OMGUS on the first person to speak against him.
However, if this scan is true, then we should go after who we have conclusive evidence against.
Fold; Bet: 5 credits on YLC
Fluffy gives him a “ur doin it wrong” macro for the content-free vote and in return we get mega-flinch:
“I knew I was going to be in trouble” (really? People make content-free votes all the time and never get called on it, why so self-conscious?)
apology when it’s not needed
excuses when they are not needed
vote change when *it* is not needed
So then. Who was it that scanned YLC?
Stirring the pot against B-ray once YLC turns up evil, but never follows up.
Agh, this back and forth between Earthling and Major is making me head hurt. At this point, I'm inclined to say they both are innocent. As usual, I am being completely out of the loop, not being able to find any threads that are sufficiently thick enough for me to condemn someone to death.
Oh, he’s confused again. More to the point, it’s awfully easy for a mafioso to call innocents innocent, isn’t it? Just to keep his own hands conspicuously squeaky clean while the town destroys itself?
(I do think Earthling is innocent.)
Romanic sure seems to be retaliatory and perhaps protective of Subotan. Honestly, 30 credits? A bit much, don't you think? I'll give you a reason to start explaining.
Bet: 8 credits on Subotan
Also, time I get into this "item" thing.
Vote: Red shell to myself
As I complained at the time, this is a horrible vote – nobody should look at Romanic’s vote there and think there’s any way it could have been intended to save *Subotan*. ACIN, maybe, but not Subotan. (Jolt, wasn’t it you who did this too? Neutral Jolt? LOL) I think mythmonster just seized on this as a reason to add some credits to what was otherwise a rather cruddy bandwagon.
As an aside, it’s interesting this is in fact his very first item vote all game long. It’s hardly a strong scum tell in itself, but I *have* noticed that sort of behavior before in scum in the item-heavy NOTW games. Item votes are difficult for scummers. You have no interest in giving stuff to townies, and your instincts are going to be backwards even if you try (you’ll be wanting to give them to the worst possible recipients, not the best). You don’t want to vote stuff to your teammates, because you don’t want to draw more connections between you. So you just don’t vote for items at all; you rely on the regular lynch votes as an indicator of your participation.
Dear God, I leave for a day and this happens. Honestly, this is bloody despicable. All I can tell is that this night will be very, very, interesting.
Last comment: “you townies sure suck” (for the civplayah lynch). Hell of a comment form someone who hadn’t even had a stake in what was happening all day.
autolycus
05-06-2011, 15:46
Vote: Santa's Vodka, Tannooki Suit, Lucky Badge to Backward logic
Not sure yet who to bet on, will do that later.
Greyblades
05-06-2011, 15:55
Mythmonster2, minus fluff:
Ooh, me, me next!
fold, bet 40: mythmonster
Writing it all out like this I'm significantly more suspicious of mythmonster than of visorslash. Visor has a general suspicious look due to self-consciousness and one OMG did you just say that post; almost every single one of mythmonster's posts is scummy in one way or another, plus there's a potential link to Seon.
I'm also curious if his butt got singed last night, metaphorically speaking.
I'd like some bets on him.
If it turns out that fluffy and backwards logic are scumbuddies or at least on the same team, I'd like to say I called it.
BL is already a confirmed innocent.
Speaking of which, why isn't he getting all or near all item votes???
Greyblades
05-06-2011, 16:05
Eh it was more a jab at how he was giving him items I myself wanted than actual suspicion. Anyway he might not be a townie, remember the town is evil; glorious light doesnt sound very evil, he could have been revived and recruited from a good aligned faction.
Death is yonder
05-06-2011, 16:05
Vote:
30% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (TANOOKI SUIT)
10% bulletproof chance. Psycho Andy's (LUCKY BADGE)
10% retaliatory kill chance. Psycho Andy's (OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE)
10% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (SANTA'S VODKA)
10% bulletproof chance. Bane Anded's (SECURITY FORCEFIELD)
To backwardlogic
10% vigilante kill chance. Claire Raval's (CUSTOM BERETTA)
To DiY
Custom Beretta would be nice :yes:
Speaking of which, why isn't he getting all or near all item votes???
Giving him the passive item stuff seems to be the best, because ultimately he has a maximum action number per night, so for example giving to him a bus driver item, role block item, vig item all in one go wouldn't work out. At the same time however, stocking him up with so many items will likely just end up with him being a prime steal target, but anyway, a 60% bulletproof chance with a 10% retaliatory should be enough discouragement for murder.
Bet 3 Credits: Mythmonster
Interesting case laid out, worth pursuing.
I think people shouldn't be flocking to certain people for advice who have a track record of not delivering.
:inquisitive:
Vote:
10% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (SANTA'S VODKA)
30% bulletproof chance. Rudolph's (TANOOKI SUIT)
10% bulletproof chance. Psycho Andy's (LUCKY BADGE)
10% bulletproof chance. Bane Anded's (SECURITY FORCEFIELD)
10% retaliatory kill chance. Psycho Andy's (OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE)
10% investigatory chance + FACTION SCANNING ITEM. Bane Anded's (JEDI HOLOCRON)
To Backwards Logic
I think an investigation item would be much more useful for him than vig items, since we got plenty of people with vig items already. I am not sure about the evidence on Mythmonster, will have to read more it and vote later as always :embarassed:
Believer
05-06-2011, 18:42
Bet: 10 credits on Mythmonster
Kagemusha
05-06-2011, 19:57
What's the point? We're already down a lot of Evils.
And what makes you so sure she is evil?
Oh, I have a surprise for town that I found:
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8UNb-QkpWw)
Should be pretty easy to win from this point on.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2011, 20:18
Hover over link, and what do we find. You can't catch me, I'm the pizzaguy man.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-06-2011, 20:28
Hover over link, and what do we find. You can't catch me, I'm the pizzaguy man.
I will if I send Mr.Peanut after you! :laugh4:
God Emperor
05-06-2011, 20:33
After speaking a bit with Renata, I will cast another 10 in the mythmonster, pool.
Bet: 10 on Mythmonster
Town deserves to lose, not going to bother anymore.
thefluffyone93
05-06-2011, 20:56
Oh, I have a surprise for town that I found:
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8UNb-QkpWw)
Should be pretty easy to win from this point on.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/nyan.png?t=1304711778
mythmonster2
05-06-2011, 21:24
Oh hey, a bandwagon against me. I was actually gonna drop out of this game, but this will work too! Hell, while we're at it, let's do some public revealing! I have a weapon that gives me a 10% kill chance. My personal goal is to kill two people with that weapon. Also, interesting how Renata starts voting against me... after (s?)he got me to attempt to kill some people. Oh wait, (s)he didn't mention that, did (s)he? Ah well, looks like my last day here. If there are any Psychotic Mafia buddies, give me a PM, just so I can know.
Believer
05-06-2011, 21:27
And what makes you so sure she is evil?
Innocent until proven guilty. Or atleast a hint of suspicious behaviour would be nice. Present me something, right now it looks like a barely active player is grasping at straws to get an active player lynched. Hit me.
Oh hey, a bandwagon against me. I was actually gonna drop out of this game, but this will work too! Hell, while we're at it, let's do some public revealing! I have a weapon that gives me a 10% kill chance. My personal goal is to kill two people with that weapon. Also, interesting how Renata starts voting against me... after (s?)he got me to attempt to kill some people. Oh wait, (s)he didn't mention that, did (s)he? Ah well, looks like my last day here. If there are any Psychotic Mafia buddies, give me a PM, just so I can know.
Enough people knew you were one of my volunteer vigs, mythmonster. Is that supposed to exhonerate you or something? There's a reason I didn't let you in on my real suspects and only sent you after lurkers. Nice timing to show up again now.
@ Believer -- I'd love it if I could say that Kagemusha has ulterior motives, but he's actually dead. Unless he's just poking at me for the lulz, he's serious about suspecting me.
mythmonster2
05-06-2011, 21:39
Actually, I was just planning on stopping playing Mafia all together. I've even stated it over on CFC (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10469167&postcount=342). So if you're gonna go ahead with this plan to kill me, just let it be known you're wasting this town's precious days. As for why I'm not dropping out... hell, do I really want to put some poor schmuck into this situation?
do I really want to put some poor schmuck into this snafu?
Fixed
mythmonster2
05-06-2011, 21:48
Depends. Is the "fu" part directed to me, implying that you are with Renata on this one, or in this whole game in general?
?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/snafu
–noun
1.
a badly confused or ridiculously muddled situation.
It's just a funny word that fits the situation... when there is an opportunity to use 'snafu' and make sense, that opportunity should always be seized.
mythmonster2
05-06-2011, 22:03
It also stands for Situation Normal All :daisy: Up
[Language please - GH]
How about you address some of my actual arguments, MM? I'm at 2/3 on the "pity me" argument here, not to mention Earthling, and I've about had it. It's not get out of lynch free. Defend your actions, including your failure to respond to my vig-request PM but quick arrival here post-accusation.
I can get behind Renata's case on mythmonster.
Bet: 10 on mythmonster2
Current tally, after my vote should be:
111 Earthling (Visorslash 2, dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Greyblades 30)
73 mythmonster (Renata 40, DIY 3, Believer 10, God Emperor 10, Romanic 10)
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?? not voting (everyone else)
a completely inoffensive name
05-06-2011, 22:39
Right now I am leaning towards betting on mythmonster because Renata does make a decent case here. However, the town is in a somewhat bad shape. 14 townies have died compared to just one confirmed chaotic so far.
If this next lynch turns out to not be chaotic, we really needs to start changing things up. Some people are hardly talking. MRD for all of his useless posts kept talking about how incompetent we are in ignoring those that hardly say anything.
Not to put pressure on anyone, but I would like to hear more talk/contribution from Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Red_spy, Subotan, Robbiecon, B-Ray and Ironside. obviously not all of these guys are going to be chaotic, there is a good chance none of them are chaotic. However, the more someone talks, the easier it is to catch them slipping up with their words. We can't afford to have the townie to chaotic death ratio hit 20:1.
Beskar seems to have given up on the game, but I'm not. I will play along with your reasoning Renata, but if myth turns out to be innocent, I'm not placing any trust in you anymore. kage seems to think you are a good lynching target and I want him to give his reasons why either this day phase or the next night phase.
EDIT: Also, if Earthling could do the exact opposite and be more quiet this next round, that would be great. He is 99% likely to be innocent in my book and this whole debacle with MRD filled us all up with lots of noise that distracted us.
Diamondeye
05-06-2011, 22:45
Bet 4 on Mythmonster. I'll follow Renata's lead but honestly those huge bandwagons don't make a lot of sense to me.
Vote: JEDI HOLOCRON to myself
It has sentimental value.
The rest of this stuff looks like a whole bunch of nonsense.
Bet: 3 credits on Renata
I have no idea what is going on or what we are trying to lynch people based on anymore. Thread skimming FTW.
Believer
05-06-2011, 22:55
Vote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Because I am a fanboy.
Posting from phone is scum? My computer was dead, I had no laptop and I was actually using an iPad. I'm not going to give up on playing this game because my comp is dead. Don't believe me? Ask the guys at the hotseat forums. I missed the first couple of days and nights, then my comp crashed and then I got myself a laptop.
dcmort93
05-06-2011, 23:13
I often check the thread from my phone but i can't post. I believe the reason it says that this is posted from a mobile device is that I'm also logged in on my phone. That tag on the bottom of this post is absolutely useless
Posting from phone is scum? My computer was dead, I had no laptop and I was actually using an iPad. I'm not going to give up on playing this game because my comp is dead. Don't believe me? Ask the guys at the hotseat forums. I missed the first couple of days and nights, then my comp crashed and then I got myself a laptop.
Getting a bit riled up over this, are we?
Bet 20 on Visorslash
Getting a bit riled up over this, are we?
Bet 20 on Visorslash
...Didn't you just do the same thing a few pages ago?
Skooma Addict
05-06-2011, 23:34
Bet: 5 credits on Mythmonster
Tanooki suit to Shlin
Santa's Vodka to Backwards Logic
Lucky Badge to Backwards Logic
Omega Virus to Backwards Logic
Security Forcefield to Backwards Logic
Should help if the confirmed innocent gets attacked again.
Kagemusha
05-06-2011, 23:35
Innocent until proven guilty. Or atleast a hint of suspicious behaviour would be nice. Present me something, right now it looks like a barely active player is grasping at straws to get an active player lynched. Hit me.
No. Sorry but in mafia.It is guilty until proven innocent. I get all the same vibes from Renata, as i did in the Star Wars game, when she was a Sith. She is doing lot of orchestrating and driving lot of cases, with not any kind of results in the orchestrated actions, also she has serious tendency of flip flopping in her cases, which tell me that she is coming up with those in order to appear innocent rather then actually trying to find the Chaotics.
Believer
05-07-2011, 00:09
No. Sorry but in mafia.It is guilty until proven innocent. I get all the same vibes from Renata, as i did in the Star Wars game, when she was a Sith. She is doing lot of orchestrating and driving lot of cases, with not any kind of results in the orchestrated actions, also she has serious tendency of flip flopping in her cases, which tell me that she is coming up with those in order to appear innocent rather then actually trying to find the Chaotics.
I see.
Please supply me with more of the actual behaviour and not your vibes. Voting for her based on your vibes requires too much trust, I'm not willing to give that away so freely.
@ Kage -- Changing votes is not a scum tell. Changing votes is not a scum tell. Changing votes is not a scum tell ... Argh.
@ ACIN --
I will play along with your reasoning Renata, but if myth turns out to be innocent, I'm not placing any trust in you anymore.
Right. You never gave any indication of trusting me in the first place and in fact have no reason to considering I spent a whole day accusing you. I also don't see a bet, for all the "I will play along" stuff.
I see.
Please supply me with more of the actual behaviour and not your vibes. Voting for her based on your vibes requires too much trust, I'm not willing to give that away so freely.
Seriously, Believer, did you miss that Kagemusha is dead? You can trust him all you like unless you think he's doing this for the lulz; the question is his judgment. He's wrong about my behavior in that game. I was innocent for about 2/3 of it, and once recruited spent about 24 hours posting up a storm then all but disappeared into "don't look at me" mode.
Believer
05-07-2011, 00:21
Seriously, Believer, did you miss that Kagemusha is dead? You can trust him all you like unless you think he's doing this for the lulz; the question is his judgment. He's wrong about my behavior in that game. I was innocent for about 2/3 of it, and once recruited spent about 24 hours posting up a storm then all but disappeared into "don't look at me" mode.
Yes I missed that.
But isn't it his judgement that I'm questioning? I'm asking for more of a case and less of his "feeling". I'm all for voting you, but not because someone just had the wrong/right feeling. I'd rather trust my own feeling over that of another, unless they can convince me.
Posting from phone is scum? My computer was dead, I had no laptop and I was actually using an iPad. I'm not going to give up on playing this game because my comp is dead. Don't believe me? Ask the guys at the hotseat forums. I missed the first couple of days and nights, then my comp crashed and then I got myself a laptop.
:stare:
thefluffyone93
05-07-2011, 00:39
:stare:
You call that a serious face?
GAZE UPON MY SERIOUS FACE.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/izserious.png?t=1304725131
a completely inoffensive name
05-07-2011, 00:53
@ ACIN --
Right. You never gave any indication of trusting me in the first place and in fact have no reason to considering I spent a whole day accusing you. I also don't see a bet, for all the "I will play along" stuff.
Meh, don't really care you spent a whole accusing me. You have accused a lot of people, so I don't really take offense to it.
Also, I forgot about doing the bet when I typed it up. Bet: 15 credits on mythmonster
So, there you go.
Believer
05-07-2011, 00:53
Unvote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Unvote: Jedi Holocron to Diemondieu (Diamondeye)
Unvote: Santa's Vodka to Visorslash
Fold
I'm not placing any bets or voting items untill this gets a better solution.
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 01:02
Vote: Santa's Vodka to Renata
Vote: Gag to Renata
Vote: Tanooki Suit to Renata
Vote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Vote: Omega Virus Sample to Renata
Vote: Custom Beretta to Renata
Vote: Jedi Holocron to me
Vote: Killer Rabbit to Renata
Vote: Security Forcefield to Renata
And with that, I call it a day. See you all after I'm dead.
Greyblades
05-07-2011, 01:04
Fold.
Beefy187
05-07-2011, 01:39
Vote: All items for Renata
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
thefluffyone93
05-07-2011, 01:47
Everything but the holocron?
WHY.
Vote: Santa's Vodka to Renata
Vote: Gag to Renata
Vote: Tanooki Suit to Renata
Vote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Vote: Omega Virus Sample to Renata
Vote: Custom Beretta to Renata
Vote: Jedi Holocron to me
Vote: Killer Rabbit to Renata
Vote: Security Forcefield to Renata
And with that, I call it a day. See you all after I'm dead.
....
Oh.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 01:56
(I do think Earthling is innocent.)
Hate to call out something like this, but this is one of the scummier statements here in a while. You need to explain to me (fortunately it sounds like the sort of thing that can be explained in private) why this is the case. This whole time including through last night, Night Four, you relentlessly called me a liar and implied I was scum. I'd like to hear what changed your mind last night, it could be that you or some contact of yours followed through on a detective scan or something mundane. But you wouldn't just abandon a case and pursue someone like mythmonster randomly so what you're saying does not add up today Renata, especially when your former target was me.
(and the cases on Mythmonster and Visorslash are kinda shabby. I don't know what process you went through, if your goal was to only read their posts alone maybe that's how you arrived at your conclusions. I don't see how you could have arrived at accusing those two and not several others whose behavior is the same if not worse, Warman, Rabbit who showed up late and have just been in about one bandwagon, etc... Those post by post attempted breakdowns emphasize what are probably null tells in points like minor parts of the first lynch on Seon - well Seon and MRD are dead and you weren't in the clear there yourself - or item votes to oneself which a zillion people have done.)
There's also a player I think is very likely innocent whose name hasn't really come up as such in public yet (and I'd like to keep it that way). Shlin knows who it is. I'd like to get a bulletproof item and transfer it to him.
Something is extremely wrong here. There is no indication such a thing is possible, at all.
Here's my item votes. Is that it seems rather likely that shlin, who I of course rather believe is Innocent, revived BL, and as such should have future revival ability attempts, so he needs to be kept alive. Not trying to give the chaotics help here but it's obvious enough if it is true, from his faction claim on thread, that the chaotics would figure it out. So he should get some more defense too, might be even more important than BL because he can continue to revive others. And I've got nothing against the Evil Faction, it's only a couple like South Park, Cosa Nostra (sp?) and any unknowns who remain most dangerous for disguised killers (I know nothing about who Cosa Nostra could be and South Park strikes me as where that "strange being" who is a multiple-time nightkiller would fit as a guess) and dooming the rest of the town for their selfnishess rather than factions with many of their evil members dead. But might have a little more to say later about that in general, as I've said in the past I think folks like Bow-wow-wow sharing their info they must have could help the town.
vote: SANTA'S VODKA to Backwards Logic
GAG to shlin
TANOOKI SUIT to Backwards Logic
LUCKY BADGE to shlin
OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE to shlin
JEDI HOLOCRON to Backwards Logic
Security Forcefield to Backwards Logic
CUSTOM BERETTA, KILLER RABBIT to Backwards Logic
I suppose I should vote, but I don't encourage the mythmonster bandwagon at all, not going to waste the town's credits like that with him and me being the alternatives. I'd love to not have us all lynch a guy who's been surviving night attacks from bad guys (though the one it seems was Jolt) you know but killing another person for no reason is no better. Pending what I might hear from Renata I still suspect Bet: 5 credits on Crazed Rabbit
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 02:02
Everything but the holocron?
WHY.
YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! AHAHAHAHAHAH!
I've never though you were likely scum, Earthling, and I have never encouraged your lynch or your vigging, though I haven't fought very hard against it until now that you would otherwise be the default candidate and I have people I'd much rather see get some credits put on them. Ask ANYONE who I have dealth with privately what I've said to them about you. You just frustrate me beyond all reason.
What I have not done is allow you to distort the record with falsehoods, where I could manage it. And for the most part I haven't defended you in public until now, only corrected a few mistakes like Jolt's yesterday, because having done so innumerable times in games in the past, I have learned that the aggravation I inevitably get from all sides for doing so is not worth it. I'd rather be lynched than spend the amount of time and effort on it it always takes. I can't deal with the drama any more.
You were the alternative candidate to Seon for most of day one. I have a hard time believing that, if you were both scum, other scum would not have flinched in a big way in there somewhere. Nothing like that happened; the moves that look most like potential flinches all came from now-proven innocents. As well, I know you, and this behavior in general, right down to lying and all of that, is typical of you and not a scum tell. But the Seon near-lynch is the biggest thing.
I had some thought earlier today that your apparent role as the Black Knight might possibly indicate a neutral role (Black Knight was 3rd party in that CFC game, not mafia; the mafia were the Knights of Ni), but wasn't one of the early deaths the Killer Rabbit from that game? If so that theory doesn't hold water either.
That's where I am on you right now. I'm not going to talk about it anymore unless someone asks me about it directly.
It is possible to transfer items from player to player; someone I talk to brought it up and I asked about it yesterday. The details are finicky in places, so ask before you do it.
As far as my cases being shabby ... yeah. I don't suck at this game, that's all I'm going to say about that.
I don't suck at this game, that's all I'm going to say about that.
But you do when trying to determine whether I am scum or not. Twice you've done this to me and twice you've been wrong (This being the second time). :P
I have never played with a lot of you, so I don't know almost anyone here, I don't know how anyone plays. (Except for a couple of people.)
Earthling
05-07-2011, 02:34
To be fair, you and other people are just wrong, I've only lied like 3 or 4 times in at least the past 10 games and everyone who pays attention knows it. That reminds me I actually should ask if people are being serious about asking about my roleclaim or just lying themselves (like Jolt) or plain not paying attention, because I've claimed ability, item, role & faction, and even my playing card in the thread already. Visorslash should ask nicely for a summary if he couldn't be bothered otherwise. But I'm really not lying about anything more this time just like always, it'd just be a repeat of "nope, he can't be Innocent, he's lying." After the lynch: "oh, I guess he was" next game: "Hey Earthling remember when you lied about being Innocent last game..." I already explained that I did lie on purpose about Skooma, first to you in private, but it was for a decent enough reason if only for our factional interests alone, and was also just bad luck, if I'd guessed that Skooma was Clippy instead of just guessing 50/50 he was Rudolph people might still be believing I was a full detective guy or something and the scum would be confused about me even more instead of that I'd just heard of a faction scan. And anything else as I said is completely unimportant or nonsense that you can hardly call anything any more than the Texas jokes.
The one thing is a good point and I would be honest to say I don't know how I could disprove it. It's actually a reasonable hypothesis - a wrong hypothesis, but one nevertheless that could sound decent to a random townie on a random unrelated faction, that I could be a neutral role, the cover/neutral guy on the Python faction. I'm not and I want to clearly say I never said I was, but I could understand if people who (had) tried to accuse me at tried to think of something plausible like that at least. However as I continue to want to help the town and not being easy for the scum to nightkill I know has got to a be a pain for them it would still be a bad reason to go after me even if you did think that. Really it would be great (for me of course anyway) to hear from any remaining Pythons because I would personally worry if there are more out there that they would be the cover roles, though we could only have four total, that's all the possible characters listed anyway.
And yes, I don't really have a motive to get in the way of another random lynch today and like ACIN said I'm not gaining much by talking here so I'll recognize that. But I will say I do not personally believe the case on mythmonster is that great. Between the two I'd even say Visorslash is better. Betting credits on who I think is scum and really hope we get the items to those Innocent evil guys today, so there's that.
Crazed Rabbit
05-07-2011, 02:40
Bet: 19 credits on Earthling.
All you said about MRD was wrong.
CR
Why the need to reassure people that you will be around to do the other votes later? The first post is excusable under the circumstances, the second looks, as God Emperor noted, like you’re just trying to show you’re acting like a proper townie.
Because inactivity is bad? Just kinda saying that I will be kind of actively doing stuff, not just lurking and random posts.
Posting from phone = scum.
More seriously, this comes right after Romanic’s long accusation post (like five posts later). You can’t find a single word to say about that, but you *can* spend time to explain why you’re not making any other item votes?
It wasn't a phone, it was an iPad. And my computer WAS dead. Ask the hotseat fellas. (Second bit) Cause I'm lazy with typing on that damn thing. :P
The promised response to God Emperor.
Yeah.
Response to my suggestion that people try finding out if resurrection is their hidden power. My don’t you sound enthusiastic. And what’s to organize?
I don't see people organising a reviver. Couldn't we hand some credits to someone to revive townies? At least that was my thinking about that. But I'm probably wrong, as usual. :P
Well that’s a bit of an abrupt switch, but OK.
Fair amount of posts inbetween those though. And the comments from the people made me doubt MRD's scumminess. But the bandwagon was rolling too far ahead, and I didn't want to waste credits. PLus there was always a chance I was wrong, as usual. :P
What the heck was the point of all this? Chaotics have cover roles. His claiming his role would prove nothing one way or another. (Claiming his *actions* might be useful, but that’s not what you’re asking.) You’re just flogging something that doesn’t matter, over and over. Why? Just to make Earthling look bad if he doesn’t answer fast enough?
Uh... yeah. I have a really, really bad memory at stuff like this. I can remember dates, numbers and stuff, but I completely forgot about this. But it would've been nice to see it. :P
This is the post that elevated Visorslash from person of interest to major suspect to me. It’s the last sentence, which seems to have been added in an edit. With that sentence, Visor seems to be trying to deflect any idea that he might already KNOW that Earthling is telling the truth with his role claim, which would be the case for chaotics (more or less, barring any further serial killers or whatever) but not for regular evils.
Thing is – why should it even occur to you that you would need to make such a disclaimer? Clearly you wrote that first part, then had a moment of “oh I just said something I shouldn’t have”, but how many townies would it even occur to that they’d said something suspicious? My guess is not a whole heck of a lot.
Yes, it was edited in. I don't understand what you're saying. :(. I wrote the second bit after reading someone's elses post about a cover role.) Well I have a habit of saying crap that gets me lynched. And thinking ahead in mafia games ain't really my strong suit. *Example: THe CHamber).
I am pretty self conscious of what I type, yes.
And then this, 15 minutes later, a further disclaimer that oh no you didn’t mean you would *kill* Earthling, of course you’re just talking about the lynch, haha.
Well I don't have a kill ability. SO I can't really.
And I’ll stop here. Any particular reason you’re so interested in bulletproof items, Visor? More to the point, any reason you didn’t *say* why you’re so interested in bulletproof items? You’d think someone who’d been attacked would be trumpeting it from the heavens. I assume the vig(s) did follow through, but failed.
Wait, were you getting people to vig me?
I want the bulletproof items cause I don't want to die at night. :D Or at day for that matter, but I'm not a particularly good avioder of being lynched.
If the previous tally was accurate, the currtent tally of bets stands as such:
100 on Earthling - (Visorslash 2, dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Greyblades 30, Crazed Rabbit 19)
87 on mythmonster - (Renata 40, DIY 3, God Emperor 10, Romanic 10, 4 DiamondEye, 5 Skooma Addict, 15 ACIN)
20 on Visorslash - (Link 20)
5 on Crazed Rabbit - (Earthling 5)
Renata's case against Visorlash was more convincing to me than the case against mythmonster, especially after myth's (apparently legit) revelation that he was already planning on dropping mafia altogether. But Visor clearly isn't going to get lynched at this point. Earthling leads the bets and has been a controversial figure pretty much the whole game. He seems sincere about trying to find the bad guys, but he's made some contradictory statements and is way too talkative for my tastes.
So for all practical purposes, it's down to Earthling and mythmonster now. And either way, a lot of people's credits are going to be wasted. I think Earthling is the better lynch right now, and since he's already leading, I'll put my credits there.
bet: 10 credits on Earthling
If it turns out that fluffy and backwards logic are scumbuddies or at least on the same team, I'd like to say I called it.
They aren't on the same faction, I know that for a fact.
Anyway he [Backwards Logic] might not be a townie, remember the town is evil; glorious light doesnt sound very evil, he could have been revived and recruited from a good aligned faction.
I had thought of this possibility, too. What if one of the Chaotics can use revive to recruit previously dead players? Even if not, there's got to be some drawback or special requirements to reviving. Perhaps it's a one-time only ability? This is the only revive we've seen, after all. Regardless, I don't really suspect Backward Logic just because he's been revived, but I am curious why we haven't already seen any revives until now.
EDIT: Also...
Vote: SECURITY FORCEFIELD to myself
Earthling, can you just not be like this one game? Please?
Renata's case against Visorlash was more convincing to me than the case against mythmonster
What about my defence? Why do you think I'm scum for?
Death is yonder
05-07-2011, 04:25
For what its worth, I do think that pursuing Earthling's case is just a gigantic distraction. Jolt was most likely killed to further frame him, particular since Jolt was one of his critics.
In any case, its evidently working, people are wasting credits voting Earthling, and those who are voting myth (or for that matter any other alternative suspect) are forced into betting higher.
This is turning into another mini MRD vs civplayah, but I'd wager that there's at least one chaotic on the earthling wagon trying to push it so that everyone's credits get wasted.
I mean like if you spend 20 credits as a scumbag and manage to force a mislynch, you've just wasted more than a hundred credits, the ratio is frightening.
But Visor clearly isn't going to get lynched at this point.
There is still more than 24 hours IIRC
dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Greyblades 30, Crazed Rabbit 19)
These people need to explain truly why they are voting so high. Just because Earthling was wrong about MRD isn't going to cut it, people are wrong a lot in mafia and if Earthling truly was a Chaotic then going after MRD for multiple rounds and just thrusting himself into the spotlight was just plain silly.
I mean coming up with a very public scheme on round one just to attract attention? Which by the way got quite a few people voting him just for it? Come on. His teammates would have been yelling at him to keep quiet, but what's happening?
Not to mention, he's been attacked multiple times already (assuming he is the black knight) at night, at least one by a figure who has been killing. A quick recheck shows that on night 2 an unknown assailant blasts his hand off, and on night 3, a fellow with a motif of power in the write up tries to attack him, likely the person that killed B-Ray on night 1.
Hence I'm inclined to think that at least one of the attacks on B-Ray was a chaotic.
Listen to Renata for once. You people are wasting your money on Earthling. He's always like this.
What about my defence? Why do you think I'm scum for?
*shrug* Your defense wasn't bad. I didn't feel strongly about you being scum in the first place. I'm just pointing out that in my opinion, of Renata's two cases, the one against mythmonster was weaker, but it's the one which has gained popular support. Earthling seems more suspicious than either of you, and I'm voting for him, not you.
*shrug* Your defense wasn't bad. I didn't feel strongly about you being scum in the first place. I'm just pointing out that in my opinion, of Renata's two cases, the one against mythmonster was weaker, but it's the one which has gained popular support. Earthling seems more suspicious than either of you, and I'm voting for him, not you.
Oh come on now, people, think. You have absolutely, absolutely nothing on Earthling. Nothing at all except that he talks too much.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 04:36
What about my defence?
I don't think it's a great case either but mythmonster has given a reasonable defense, and not complying with Renata trying to control others' night actions for her own goals (who is being vig-targeted anyway?) isn't a good reason for me to go after him. There's not too much of a case on you again as I said, but between you and mythmonster, but for the purposes of lurking/not reading the thread and lying (like you keep ignoring that I actually roleclaimed)/bandwagon voting you're not one of the more Innocent looking either. You'll notice I'm not really encouraging anyone to go after either of you, I'd much prefer a couple other candidates.
(bolding here just to help people notice as appears to be a useful convention)
That does remind me to point out to B_Ray that less than halfway through the day there's nothing a sure thing at all though, that's lazy. You do realize that just two people could basically outbet all the wagons so far today. In fact, that's a significant worry today, we're at the point where if people like Bow-wow-wow (or Renata again) are hiding scan info just to make gains for their teams they could show up late at the last minute to kill some other guy/factional enemy with a couple big bets.
Death is yonder, I am strongly of the belief now that Jolt, neutral half-killer or whatever he was, attacked me the second time, he was clearly a Jedi/Sith Lord and that clearly triggered his random rants about Jedi Power and whatnot. First one I have no more knowledge on who it was than anyone, and I don't really have an idea of who the green-eyed guy or winged-mace guy are supposed to even be as characters either; already commented on a couple others again. As I have no clue how much vigging or attempted vigging is going on that further throws guesses off though, except those two characters come up again and again so are probably the chaotic killers.
had to edit this in crosspost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL4iVQyp9L4
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 04:36
Quite honestly, even I think the case against Earthling is weak. I'd rather me die than him. Hell, if I could, I'd bet on myself just to have him live. Actually... can I do that?
Also, for what it's worth, my vig targets were Link (last night) and Greyblades (night before that, but I couldn't go through with it due to getting in orders too late).
...Didn't you just do the same thing a few pages ago?
No, I didn't.
Now what in the hell is this about me getting vigged?
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 04:45
Ask Renata about it. She has reasons, though I'm suspecting it was just a false lead she gave to me to distract me.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 04:46
I tend to agree. I'd really like to know what is going on, Renata claimed that Believer for instance gave her at least one scan result very early in the game and Believer's recent posts in thread seemed like subtle backscratching to distance himself from Renata. Believer, why so critical of Renata today if you've been feeding her scan results all along, presumably no awesome reason behind that cause you couldn't have revealed much in private, unless maybe you found out you were faction allies.
Also, fluffy, care to answer if it's true that Renata/Believer/someone they knew scanned you as Bizarro? You've never even addressed it though if it was a false scan claim from Renata you'd think someone would be all over that. If you're just an evil Bizarro guy it's already in the thread so not much use hiding it, just as with Skooma, and you might as well work together then. I will be serious that I as a Python am willing to forget about factional conflicts though, we need to focus on the chaotics. Except whatever network Renata thinks she has going on is probably hiding info and plans from the town without a lot of results or any reasons I know of, that shouldn't be going on just to benefit one or two factions at this point.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 04:49
actually real quick, mythmonster, you claimed you were Psychotic Mafia, but who are the Psychotic's enemies for the rest of us who wouldn't have a clue? If you really don't want to share don't but it can't do anything but help you assuming you already made a true claim there, and could really help explain other people's actions/responses now or in the future, if they are just after factional infighting.
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 05:01
I will not betray the Psycho Mafia, no matter how insignificant the info.
Also a little experiment.
Bet: 50 on SkoomaAddict
thefluffyone93
05-07-2011, 05:16
Also, fluffy, care to answer if it's true that Renata/Believer/someone they knew scanned you as Bizarro? You've never even addressed it though if it was a false scan claim from Renata you'd think someone would be all over that. If you're just an evil Bizarro guy it's already in the thread so not much use hiding it, just as with Skooma, and you might as well work together then. I will be serious that I as a Python am willing to forget about factional conflicts though, we need to focus on the chaotics. Except whatever network Renata thinks she has going on is probably hiding info and plans from the town without a lot of results or any reasons I know of, that shouldn't be going on just to benefit one or two factions at this point.
As far as I know, I was never scanned.
But reveal I shall!
GAZE UPON MY EPICNESS.
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/advice.png?t=1304741789
)/bandwagon voting you're not one of the more Innocent looking either.
I actually voted on suspects BEFORE the bandwagon started. So that's not right?
Myth, we should go full out on Renata instead for suspecting us. :P
For what its worth, I do think that pursuing Earthling's case is just a gigantic distraction. Jolt was most likely killed to further frame him, particular since Jolt was one of his critics.
On the contrary, at best it eliminates a Mafioso, at the very least it eliminates a liar who killed a townie and is persistently confusing town.
In any case, its evidently working, people are wasting credits voting Earthling, and those who are voting myth (or for that matter any other alternative suspect) are forced into betting higher.
[QUOTE=Death is yonder;2053308353]This is turning into another mini MRD vs civplayah, but I'd wager that there's at least one chaotic on the earthling wagon trying to push it so that everyone's credits get wasted.
I mean like if you spend 20 credits as a scumbag and manage to force a mislynch, you've just wasted more than a hundred credits, the ratio is frightening.
Then you have two choices: Either you keep at it, waste your credits, and Earthling turns out Evil, and you get narrow the suspect list down to a handful of people who had the highest bets on Earthling or betted high, late in the turn.
Or you can lower your credits and lynch Earthling. The benefits range from best possible to good.
There is still more than 24 hours IIRC
These people need to explain truly why they are voting so high. Just because Earthling was wrong about MRD isn't going to cut it, people are wrong a lot in mafia and if Earthling truly was a Chaotic then going after MRD for multiple rounds and just thrusting himself into the spotlight was just plain silly.
What? He counter-claimed MRD's true role on purpose. He wasn't just wrong. He pushed for MRD's lynch with any means available, even counter-claiming a true role, which as you may imagine, you simply do not do if you're townie.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 06:11
Except that didn't happen. Much more fun even to listen to Seon than a dead, lying neutral. A full Day before MRD's (edit - near, Day Three that is) lynch I claimed (in private to someone who should have been sympathetic for factional rivalry reasons, by the way) that Skooma was the Rudolph role. Yes, I only knew of a faction scan that he was Bizarro so it was just a guess and a lie. This happened before MRD claimed anything or anyone that I know of knew anything about him, and after he claimed, was not part of anybody's reason for trying to lynch MRD and nobody said it was. You weren't paying attention or didn't read the thread.
Backwards Logic
05-07-2011, 06:20
I don't like either of these lynches to be honest. Earthling, at worst, is neutral/serial killer due to his contradictory statements and his view people should spend a lot of credits to lynch people. Since I've played a few games with him, I know he's always this talkative and, at times, this annoying. I doubt he's chaotic, but given his track record this game it's a nice thought that he is.
The mythmonster wagon I don't buy either, though I'd take this case over the one on Earthling. So I'm going to present another option, and a direction I feel is very much worth pursuing.
Given MRD's and Earthling's back and forth for seemingly the entirety of the game, I've felt the chaotics would have had a very, very easy time blending in. After all, it's exactly what I would have done - blend in with the noise and buy another day. With my limited time, I began going through the thread searching for people who made, more or less, seemingly worthless posts by either jumping on a bandwagon, saying something inconsequential, or something similar of the sort. And I came up with one name that I think is our best chance yet.
Autolycus.
One, he's made all of six posts this game, most of which involve bandwagoning of somesort. Numero Uno:
I'd like to at least have an outside shot at keeping my credits, so I will Bet: 2 credits on Subotan.
Subotan was leading at the time, sure, but it's been established that only chaotics or neutrals allow someone to either earn or keep their credits. It just seems out of place. You'd only keep your credits if he turned up either or, but you made a bid of two on the first day. Just odd.
Vote:Desert Eagle to myself
Bet: 2 Creds on Renata For the moment, El Gigante is the best guide I've got.
Will vote items to others for reciprocity.
Also, for whatever it means, the clubs are getting mauled.
Another tack on vote to Renata. Once again, a small bet when others are voting 5 and upwards. No reasoning here, and that's after others said to spread the votes out a bit. The very definition of a tack-on vote.
I like this case on MRD
Bet: 10 credits on MRD
*yawn* C'mon, really? At least try to add something.
Renata can have the gag
I'd like the Rope
Beskar can have the shell
Interesting item votes. More bandwagon tack on for the gag to Renata, a 'vote the bus driver item' to yourself, and a retaliatory item to Beskar, who from what I can tell didn't have any votes to his name at the time. Why the votes? What was the reasoning? And since the first day lynch of MRD didn't work out, and everyone still thought he was guilty, we have...
Bet:20 credits on MRD
I'll put in an item vote later.
For the record, you never did put in another item vote.
Vote: Santa's Vodka, Tannooki Suit, Lucky Badge to Backward logic
Not sure yet who to bet on, will do that later.
Thanks, appreciate it. Obvious votes are obvious. Can't choose a lynch suspect then, could you? Disappointing.
So, there you have it. I like it much better than any case against Earthling or mythmonster, so that's where my credits are going.
Bet: 50 credits on Autolycus.
And I've decided I want the vig items for myself, so...
Custom Beretta and Killer Rabbit to me (Backwards Logic).
(I have an insanely busy next two days coming up. If I don't get back to this or your PM's, it's why. Back-Back-Back 14+ hour days will do that to you...)
Major Robert Dump
05-07-2011, 09:07
These bets are light weight. I know this guy who got 210 bet against him. FYI u can combine the Butt X-Ray with a bus driver item to make a Butt Bus X-Ray, which not only switches targets actions but also cancels the actions and cancels the bus drive and reflects on the user so he silences himself. Its pretty awesome.
But you do when trying to determine whether I am scum or not. Twice you've done this to me and twice you've been wrong (This being the second time). :P
I have never played with a lot of you, so I don't know almost anyone here, I don't know how anyone plays. (Except for a couple of people.)
*sigh*
Bet: 19 credits on Earthling.
All you said about MRD was wrong.
CR
This is your first substantial bet of the game, isn't it?
Weren't you saying at some point how Earthling AND MRD are probably innocent? This is an honest question; I remember some people doing it but can't remember for sure if you were one. I don't have time to check right now.
Wait, were you getting people to vig me?
*nod* You should have had two attempts against you last night. I assumed the bulletproof item votes were the result of that. Did you get any sign of it having happened?
Renata's case against Visorlash was more convincing to me than the case against mythmonster, especially after myth's (apparently legit) revelation that he was already planning on dropping mafia altogether.
Which revelation had almost nothing to do with my case, which was based 99% on what he did and not on what he did NOT do. And which revelation has nothing to do with his refusal to defend himself while simultaneously showing evidence (by his quick response) that he is still paying attention to the game. And which revelation has nothing to do with his offering of a vig item he's never to my knowledge used and a Pyschotic Mafia affiliation as proxies for actual reasons why he should live.
In short, you dismiss him way too easily. Are you Psychotic Mafia, B-ray, or is there another reason?
Quite honestly, even I think the case against Earthling is weak. I'd rather me die than him. Hell, if I could, I'd bet on myself just to have him live. Actually... can I do that?
Also, for what it's worth, my vig targets were Link (last night) and Greyblades (night before that, but I couldn't go through with it due to getting in orders too late).
You never acknowledged receipt of the Link PM, much less that you had gone through with it. Did you?
And yeah, you actually could bet on yourself. Planning to?
Ask Renata about it. She has reasons, though I'm suspecting it was just a false lead she gave to me to distract me.
'Twas. You should have had only a 10% of so chance of success if legit. I'm suspicious of Link, but he's not at the top of the list.
Except that didn't happen. Much more fun even to listen to Seon than a dead, lying neutral. A full Day before MRD's (edit - near, Day Three that is) lynch I claimed (in private to someone who should have been sympathetic for factional rivalry reasons, by the way) that Skooma was the Rudolph role. Yes, I only knew of a faction scan that he was Bizarro so it was just a guess and a lie. This happened before MRD claimed anything or anyone that I know of knew anything about him, and after he claimed, was not part of anybody's reason for trying to lynch MRD and nobody said it was. You weren't paying attention or didn't read the thread.
You keep making assumptions about faction rivalry that are not precisely true, Earthling. I'm not willing to say more not knowing how many people you've claimed my faction to, but you're just wrong here.
(snip autolycus case)
I do like this case. I'm rather wedded to my own, too, and don't know why you are not seeing what I am seeing (explain? Because MM obviously isn't going to defend himself), but there being another good option on the table with some moral weight (so to speak) behind it makes me happier about this:
fold, bet 4: mythmonster2
I have to reduce it; I might not be around for the rest of the day, and there's nothing resembling a consensus yet.
Last thing I have time for (except looking up CR's history): the vig items.
They could be given to Backwards Logic today, with the possibility he will pass them on. The only thing is, the only person who would be able to use them tonight is him (and only if he doesn't pass them again himself until tomorrow); that's the way the rules work. I think it's probably worth it. The individual vigs can talk to him about it if you want, or make bids yourself in public if you want to do that. I won't have time to follow up, so it's up to you.
OK, checked. Never mind my question, Crazed Rabbit; I must have been thinking of someone else.
*sigh*
Haha. ;)
*nod* You should have had two attempts against you last night. I assumed the bulletproof item votes were the result of that. Did you get any sign of it having happened?
Nope. You guys must've failed hard. It said I wasn't attacked last night. Either your vigs ain't following through or their attacks didn't even go through.
But I suspected I was going to be attacked last night, so I got me some protection. Which is what I'll be doing this night as well. ;)
I am still not sure about mythmonster, the whole "I am going to quit thing" does suggest that he is innocent, but Renata does bring up some interesting points against that (nowhere near conclusive though!). Earthling is also an unknown quality to me - precisely what has he done in previous games that has led to this whole Earthling-hate thing? Neither right now looks to be really scummy, so I can only Wager 5 credits on autolycus to back up Logic's case I guess. I doubt I'll make much difference because I have like no credits, but I suppose this may get others to change votes too...
Also,
Vote: Custom Beretta to Backwards Logic
Vote: Killer Rabbit to Backwards Logic
Unvote: JEDI HOLOCRON to Backwards Logic, Anyone who hasn't got an item yet who wants this investigation item?
Unvote: Tanooki Suit to Backwards Logic, Vote: Tanooki Suit to shlin28. May I have this Logic? I am feeling very vulnerable now after realising that I won't be the most protected person ever :sweatdrop:
Renata I think has asked for the GAG a while ago, but does anyone else want it?
thefluffyone93
05-07-2011, 15:44
I wouldn't mind having the ability to prevent the wall'o text virus from spreading.
Renata, there is a multi-quote button. :laugh4:
Ironside
05-07-2011, 16:39
I had thought of this possibility, too. What if one of the Chaotics can use revive to recruit previously dead players? Even if not, there's got to be some drawback or special requirements to reviving. Perhaps it's a one-time only ability? This is the only revive we've seen, after all. Regardless, I don't really suspect Backward Logic just because he's been revived, but I am curious why we haven't already seen any revives until now.
Reviving is a 180 credit abillity+ 80% odds of success. That makes it rare. It also grants you a free 40% revival action after that. If the Chaotics could recruit through revival, then the town is pretty much doomed after 2-3 recruits.
Thus, Backwards Logic is pretty much the most cleared person in the game.
So:
Vote: Custom Beretta to Backwards Logic
Killer Rabbit to Backwards Logic
Santa's Vodka to Backwards Logic
Security Forcefield to Backwards Logic
Lucky Badge to Backwards Logic
Tanooki Suit to shlin28
Bet: 5 credit on mythmonster
I don't think Earthling is guilty, outside his less than stellar behavior. And the case on mythmonster got some points.
Except that didn't happen. Much more fun even to listen to Seon than a dead, lying neutral. A full Day before MRD's (edit - near, Day Three that is) lynch I claimed (in private to someone who should have been sympathetic for factional rivalry reasons, by the way) that Skooma was the Rudolph role. Yes, I only knew of a faction scan that he was Bizarro so it was just a guess and a lie. This happened before MRD claimed anything or anyone that I know of knew anything about him, and after he claimed, was not part of anybody's reason for trying to lynch MRD and nobody said it was. You weren't paying attention or didn't read the thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Renata's got it covered.
Renata's got it covered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Fixed.
Greyblades
05-07-2011, 17:52
Quite honestly, even I think the case against Earthling is weak. I'd rather me die than him. Hell, if I could, I'd bet on myself just to have him live. Actually... can I do that?
Also, for what it's worth, my vig targets were Link (last night) and Greyblades (night before that, but I couldn't go through with it due to getting in orders too late).
:brood:
Bet 10 credits on mythmonster2.
God Emperor
05-07-2011, 18:03
Seriously Renata ^^ That's just way too many posts in a row.
I don't see the case on Autolycus at all.. he has 6 posts, he is joining bandwagons, and he does not follow up on the item vote statement.. To me this suggests a lack of interest in the game, more than anything else. . I would also like to point out a part
And with that, I call it a day. See you all after I'm dead.
What happened to this mythmonster? 'see you when I'm dead', but in this situation it actually meant that you posted more than ever before, and making a huge bet with apparently little reason. So what was the 'see you when I'm dead' for?
Quite honestly, even I think the case against Earthling is weak. I'd rather me die than him. Hell, if I could, I'd bet on myself just to have him live. Actually... can I do that?
Also, for what it's worth, my vig targets were Link (last night) and Greyblades (night before that, but I couldn't go through with it due to getting in orders too late).
After such a statement I really expect you to follow up on this and vote yourself Mythmonster.. Just to show me that this isn't another feint.
I will not betray the Psycho Mafia, no matter how insignificant the info.
Also a little experiment.
[B]Bet: 50 on SkoomaAddict
no it would appear that the above was just another feint.. It would be nice to see some more bets piled on mythmonster (or better alternatively, lower those extremely high bets!)
mythmonster2
05-07-2011, 20:06
Stuff got interesting. What can I say? Also, I needed to confirm that voting myself is indeed possible, and I'm still a bit fuzzy on that. As for the bet... as I said, an experiment, though Skooma not responding is seriously putting a dent into it.
Fold
My suspicion of Earthling is wavering. As active as he's been in this game, you'd think he'd be talking us into oblivion now that his neck's on the chopping block. But he's been relatively quiet. I still don't buy the heat on mythmonster at all. Why's he so adamant about getting himself lynched instead of Earthling? The only explanation I can see is that he sincerely believes Earthling is innocent, he knows that he himself is innocent, and since he's ready to drop out anyway, he'd rather die instead of an active townie. I don't understand how he can be so sure of Earthling's innocence, though.
If I haven't missed anything (and I probably have), the tally stands at:
100 on Earthling - (Visorslash 2, dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Greyblades 30, Crazed Rabbit 19)
66 on mythmonster - (Renata 4, D.i.Y. 3, God Emperor 10, Romanic 10, DiamondEye 4, Skooma Addict 5, A.C.I.N. 15, Ironside 5, Greyblades 10)
55 on autolycus (shlin28 5, Backward Logic 50)
50 on Skooma Addict - (mythmonster2 50)
20 on Visorslash - (Link 20)
5 on Crazed Rabbit - (Earthling 5)
5 on autolycus - (shlin28 5)
Anyone got an item vote tally?
Diamondeye
05-07-2011, 20:53
Seriously, Believer, did you miss that Kagemusha is dead? You can trust him all you like unless you think he's doing this for the lulz; the question is his judgment. He's wrong about my behavior in that game. I was innocent for about 2/3 of it, and once recruited spent about 24 hours posting up a storm then all but disappeared into "don't look at me" mode.
This might just be helpful but it looks like a flinch to me, Renata.
Earthling, can you just not be like this one game? Please?
What he said(!)
Also, shlin, I made it pretty clear earlier that I wanted the Holocron. Puh-lease. :bow:
Earthling
05-07-2011, 20:53
Ok, because I was in total disbelief that this was allowed and intended, I asked about item transferring rules. Apparently, everyone in the game can freely give away items to others, doesn't seem to even count as an action. This is what I heard back:
-You don't have to declare your item in the thread, you can do this at Day or Night Phase, and so on
-You can just send a message, give [my item] to [other guy] and that's it
Now, I think it's rather upsetting that there was not any indication this was even possible within the rules and it probably screwed some people over in the past, folks like MRD could have wanted to give their items away before being lynched and he almost certainly would have. It also really changes the dynamics of the game here on out, because any possible scum about to be lynched/killed or whatever gets to give away items to their friends for free. That's on top of the possibility of just trading stuff around for abilities - vigs, scans, etc... in general that a lot of us didn't know existed. So at least Renata and her gang of whomever could in fact be doing this, it's legitimate for any player without any special abilities.
I also had some thoughts on factions. First, for people who haven't been reading, a summary of what's been said in public:
Skooma is Bizarro; Renata claims fluffy is Bizarro, shlin is Evil Mafia, and so is the revived Backwards Logic. I'm Python. Mythmonster claims Psychotic here today. A lot of these factions are really hurting and we would be better off working together against the chaotics, I'm not and haven't wasted my time or credits on attacks on Skooma or something just for his faction. We know people have scanner items as they were voted them, Bow-wow-wow for instance, and it's not helping the town at this point to not share some useful info. To confirm what's known about remainders of weak factions, and figure out which large/unknown factions (South Park, Cosa Nostra apparently have almost no deaths, and their could be a tenth one out there) because as time goes on these whole factions could be organized and even acting against the whole team: mafia victory just for themselves.
And one more comment on unknown/uncertain faction info but why there really ought to be transparency from a lot more people, we know of almost no factions and their goals in wiping out which others besides the Pythons and Bizarros. For instance, unless Renata managed a bus driver or can fool scans somehow, she's been faction scanned but won't admit to her faction in public and I really don't like what she could be after because of that, she's already misled people about not being interested in factional goals when she's been hiding scans, info, and vig attempts whatever character she is. I still would like her to publicly state her faction and its enemies, it's not like that will even make a difference to the chaotics in making her more of a target at this point if they wanted to go after her, only help townies get some grounding. Somebody needs to follow up on this in the next Day or two anyway, maybe another scan from a different source tonight, it also looks really, really obvious that Believer is allied with Renata for some reason unknown to the public, and that's bad. At best they are same faction members but who knows what else could be going on with neutrals, vigilantes trying to vig random people for seemingly no reason, etc... to all have been in on that night action organizing group.
Fold
My suspicion of Earthling is wavering. As active as he's been in this game, you'd think he'd be talking us into oblivion now that his neck's on the chopping block. But he's been relatively quiet.
Actually, I believe he went through the last 2 days, and noticed that every time he posted something, he managed to dig himself into a bigger hole. Since in his facts he managed to counter-claim a correct claim, and then lynch MRD with his unfallible case, and then had the nerve of vaguely accusing me and CR of being scum (If anything, we'd be shut up as he was pushing through a townie lynch), and again, I was a Mafia-killed Neutral, he probably realized that opening his mouth to spout accusations was not that good of a strategy for surviving today's lynch.
:brood:
Bet 10 credits on mythmonster2.
Nope. You're Chaotic.
Greyblades
05-07-2011, 21:35
Nope what?
Fold
My suspicion of Earthling is wavering. As active as he's been in this game, you'd think he'd be talking us into oblivion now that his neck's on the chopping block. But he's been relatively quiet. I still don't buy the heat on mythmonster at all. Why's he so adamant about getting himself lynched instead of Earthling? The only explanation I can see is that he sincerely believes Earthling is innocent, he knows that he himself is innocent, and since he's ready to drop out anyway, he'd rather die instead of an active townie. I don't understand how he can be so sure of Earthling's innocence, though.
If I haven't missed anything (and I probably have), the tally stands at:
100 on Earthling - (Visorslash 2, dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Greyblades 30, Crazed Rabbit 19)
66 on mythmonster - (Renata 4, D.i.Y. 3, God Emperor 10, Romanic 10, DiamondEye 4, Skooma Addict 5, A.C.I.N. 15, Ironside 5, Greyblades 10)
55 on autolycus (shlin28 5, Backward Logic 50)
50 on Skooma Addict - (mythmonster2 50)
20 on Visorslash - (Link 20)
5 on Crazed Rabbit - (Earthling 5)
5 on autolycus - (shlin28 5)
Anyone got an item vote tally?
I thought I folded the 30 on eathling. Just in case
fold,
bet 20 on mythmonster2.
Earthling
05-07-2011, 22:00
then had the nerve of vaguely accusing me and CR of being scum (If anything, we'd be shut up as he was pushing through a townie lynch),
Gee, Jolt, ignoring your other lies, but you turned out to be a neutral who had almost certainly been attacking people at night, with a couple of writeups very much seeming to match your role. And I am still accusing Rabbit today if you supposedly just didn't read again, he's done nothing but lurk and show up for a couple bandwagon votes for no reason. (or more likely lied about his reasons, like when he said he wagered a lot on the MRD/civplayah wagon day solely because he thought something was funny)
Gee, Jolt, ignoring your other lies, but you turned out to be a neutral who had almost certainly been attacking people at night, with a couple of writeups very much seeming to match your role. And I am still accusing Rabbit today if you supposedly just didn't read again, he's done nothing but lurk and show up for a couple bandwagon votes for no reason. (or more likely lied about his reasons, like when he said he wagered a lot on the MRD/civplayah wagon day solely because he thought something was funny)
I'd say that there are probably more Siths and whatnot in the Space Mafia. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked Greyblades if he was the Black Knight when he was attacked by the Jedi/Sith fellow, when it turned you were the Black Knight. Though it continues to be a lot funny that you of all people claim you are accusing them for lieing about their reasons when you lied through and through to get a townie lynched.
If Myth turns out a townie, then I'm much more certain that Greyblades is Chaotic than I've ever been about you. This vote of his was such a tell.
Vote GAG to Renata
Vote Jedi Holocron to Diamondeye
I think that covers all the items/what people asked for?
Anyway, it looks like people are NOT moving wagers to auto despite Earthling and Mythmonster's cases being so weak. Stupid wager system... So given that I only have 2 choices, I think I'll go for Myth as the lesser of two evils (see what I did there?). His explanation for his posts this phase are slightly worse than Earthling's, especially the whole PSYCHOTIC TO THE DEATH thing he has going on. Me no like faction infighting. :no:
Fold, Bet 5 on Mythmonster2
Edit: I'll also be watching Greyblades a bit more closely now, very active this phase unlike before and has interesting-ish voting patterns. But then, so does half of the people still alive... :wall:
Please disregard my tally. I just went to update and correct it, and realized it is way screwed up. I'd have to start over to figure out where it went wrong, which I'm not gonna do.
Greyblades
05-07-2011, 23:41
Edit: I'll also be watching Greyblades a bit more closely now, very active this phase unlike before and has interesting-ish voting patterns. But then, so does half of the people still alive...
The increase of activity is due to my attention no longer being taken by another game(the mafia's comeback) where I was mafia, now that it's over my attention has come here. As for my vote He admitted to trying to kill me, what do you expect I'd do, pat him on the back?
If this has already been brought up, my appologies, but does anyone else think MRD's theory about the distribution of non-town roles might be correct? So far, 5 non-Evil players have died (3 Neutrals, 1 Chaotic, and 1 Serial Killer) and they've all been from different factions. I find that interesting. MRD was suggesting that each faction may have one (and only one) non-Evil character. If it's true, here's how the known faction list would breakdown:
1: Dark Falls Mafia - Chaotic
2: Bizzarro Mafia - Neutral
3: Springfield Mafia - Serial Killer
4: Space Mafia - Neutral
5: Python Mafia - ?
6: Evil Mafia - ?
7: South Park Mafia - ?
8: Psychotic Mafia - Neutral
9: Cosa Nostra Mafia - ?
I suppose there's probably a 10th faction to keep the teams even in numbers. If all the above assumptions are true, then there would be 4-5 non-Evil roles still alive, and they would be from the last 4-5 factions. Of course, that could be completely false, but the consistency of it is very appealing.
Diamondeye
05-08-2011, 00:44
If this has already been brought up, my appologies, but does anyone else think MRD's theory about the distribution of non-town roles might be correct? So far, 5 non-Evil players have died (3 Neutrals, 1 Chaotic, and 1 Serial Killer) and they've all been from different factions. I find that interesting. MRD was suggesting that each faction may have one (and only one) non-Evil character. If it's true, here's how the known faction list would breakdown:
1: Dark Falls Mafia - Chaotic
2: Bizzarro Mafia - Neutral
3: Springfield Mafia - Serial Killer
4: Space Mafia - Neutral
5: Python Mafia - ?
6: Evil Mafia - ?
7: South Park Mafia - ?
8: Psychotic Mafia - Neutral
9: Cosa Nostra Mafia - ?
I suppose there's probably a 10th faction to keep the teams even in numbers. If all the above assumptions are true, then there would be 4-5 non-Evil roles still alive, and they would be from the last 4-5 factions. Of course, that could be completely false, but the consistency of it is very appealing.
It might be somewhat relevant if not accurately true. I would suspect, if we're dealing with Sith attackers, that there is a Star Wars Mafia. Or are they just Space Mafia?
Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?
dcmort93
05-08-2011, 00:50
starwars is space as the only known starwars person was in space mafia
:7ninja:
It might be somewhat relevant if not accurately true. I would suspect, if we're dealing with Sith attackers, that there is a Star Wars Mafia. Or are they just Space Mafia?
Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?
My character is part of the Star Wars Mafia game that ATPG made, but I was part of the Space Mafia.
Diamondeye
05-08-2011, 01:08
starwars is space as the only known starwars person was in space mafia
My character is part of the Star Wars Mafia game that ATPG made, but I was part of the Space Mafia.
See maybe I should keep quiet when it's 2 AM and I've had a whole bottle of wine. Anyway thanks for clearing that up... Good night :tongue:
Earthling
05-08-2011, 01:09
Couple things.
@Diamondeye - it was shlin who revealed the "Cosa Nostra" are out there, claiming they are an enemy of his faction (should be Evil Mafia, again).
That theory overall at least gets people talking, but it's not good, again. 9 factions doesn't add up for the total number of players easily at all, without different numbers per faction, though perhaps that is the case again as there are a lot more available characters for a faction like the Springfield Mafia than mine for instance, I can't see there being more than 1-2 Pythons. The total number of neutrals implied doesn't add up at all either nor does it make sense they were evenly dispersed but we'll see. The kernel of truth I'd go with though is that, most importantly, if anyone knows of any 10th or more unrevealed factions it's gotta be brought forward soon, that's really important to the town at this point. South Park, Cosa Nostra, any 10th faction could have at least 1/3 of the remaining players on a handful of factions and whatever they organize, especially if it's against the town, the rest of us are in trouble.
Now, as for votes, it's getting late, last minute swings today should be discouraged, I've got my final thoughts though. The mythmonster case is poor and he looks non-chaotic to me so I would hope neither of those wagons succeeds, and anyway don't want to waste up others' credits. dcmort, it's interesting if you're around what you're thinking, surely you don't just want to waste yours so are you going to fold or try to get more people betting up on me or what?
I still don't like Rabbit at all, but Autolycus is definitely lurking and why not see if that is worth the pressure. My final bet is to
Fold; Bet: 5 credits on Autolycus
And if mythmonster is around - I'd recommend a couple changes in your tactics, this is why this type of wagon fails when people go about it like that. Firstly, Skooma's not getting lynched, your credits would go well on Autolycus if you have them and are trying to use them but don't want to vote me or yourself. And as you claim you are Psycho, probably a bunch of lazy, factional infighting people who hate the Psycho mafia snuck into the bandwagon on you with 5, 10 credit bets. It would be great again if we could learn who the Psycho's factional enemies are as you can't reveal that if you die and then we wouldn't be able to follow up on people's behavior, just my thoughts, and don't see how it hurts at this point. Other than you mythmonster (or if Autolycus both becomes a candidate and shows up with something about himself at the last minute) we'd be on the lookout for anyone else doing last minute credit-betting and swinging, let's not do that today, general townies out there should know that at this point.
Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?
I thought someone else had already mentioned them as being amongst their rival factons. But I faction scanned one of their members, so I can confirm their existance.
dcmort93
05-08-2011, 01:17
To be quite honest I want to know who roleblocked me. I had spoken about vigkilling you and so my first thought was that you had protected yourself and that set off my scumdar a bit. Now that I've thought about it my other action failed as well, both for unspecified reasons. my vote will stay for now as i still think you to be scum, but I'll be trying to find some things out in the mean time
Believer
05-08-2011, 02:12
Vote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Vote: Jedi Holocron to Diemondieu (Diamondeye)
Vote: Santa's Vodka to Visorslash
Bet: 1 credit on Autolycus
autolycus
05-08-2011, 03:07
Sorry if I've been a bit inactive, I find it hard to get going in large games where private claims aren't allowed ordinarily, and running a game over on CFC doesn't make things easier.
Anyway, I was role-blocked last night, so there's at least one other person out there who knows I'm not one of the killers. Granted, given the two action system, it's fully possible that my blocker was one of the killers. Anyway, I like the Earthling case better than the mythmonster one, so Bet: 20 credits on Earthling.
I liked the case where it involved killing a choatic.
Fine. If I ain't dead this night round, I'll vote 60 on Renata. Ya happy?
mythmonster2
05-08-2011, 05:29
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that I was roleblocked last night, or at least there is a very good chance that I was, due to the wording of the message I got. Renata, was this you too?
fold; bet 1 credit mythmonster
Saving my credits, since my candidate is not gonna be lynched, but also keeping it on record that I would prefer mythmonster to be lynched.
Backwards Logic
05-08-2011, 05:48
Well, my guy isn't going down either, so I'll Fold.
Earthling
05-08-2011, 05:56
Really people? Especially Roman, you could have just raised your own bet. Everybody else loses theirs either way as they are not getting credits back on me. I'd clearly say I prefer not to die, way to let the scum lynch an unnightkillable Innocent just like that, but hey. And on top of that everyone has another of not having a clue what Renata is up to or able to question her when we don't see the results of her attempted lynch. It still seems to me the entire real case she was after was that mythmonster didn't "obey" her orders to try to vigilante other people in private. I do think myth is Innocent too though and since it looks like he'll live today, good luck to you. If he wouldn't want to die tonight not really a good idea to force it on him instead of me, just not what an Englishman would do. I also question why fluffy and Visorslash are hanging around, were they waiting to try to swing the tally one way, neither of them have any substantial bets placed beforehand and while fluffy might want me dead for factional revenge if that's even true, Visor has no motive, should place a real bet and take a side.
Askthepizzaguy
05-08-2011, 05:59
round will end in one minute. Votes after that point will be invalid. I will do a tally and post it, and then begin the writeup.
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