Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Un. Be. Leivable.

Is it really?

[naut]

That was stoopid.

[Major Robert Dump]

No, the role of Rudolph was. Thus any scum constructing a cover role could have done what you did. Describe your item(s), personal ability(ies), and personal goal if you want to role reveal something that's not public knowledge and could indicate you're not a scum. It's scummy lies and strawmen like this that are repeated again and again with you. And with your "reveals" so far you even admitted to lying to everyone publicly about several of things, that in itself is more than enough reason for a lynch.

You seriously want me to tell you my items, abilites and goals? And you have not given an inkling. Laughable

Get this: I already told you my personal goals. You should be able to put 2 and 2 together from my previous post, but since you are chaotic you obviously have no idea, just like when you stated last night that your enemy was "chaotics." I might also point out that you never addressed that accusation.

[Renata]

I am RUDOLPH of the Bizarro Mafia.

WHAT.

I was told yesterday that someone else is Rudolf of the Bizarro Mafia. I was told by Earthling -- and Earthling, why below are you not contesting this? If it is you for real -- and I can't imagine why you would lie about that of all things -- then someone used a busdriver item or ability on you and this other person (who since he seems very unlikely actually to be Rudolf, I may as well reveal is Skooma Addict).

Now why would someone do that, MRD?

I have a rather strong suggestion because of this.

NOBODY VIG MRD TONIGHT.

If he is mafia, then the mafia have a bus driver, and a vig will hit someone else.

Look at this:

Even if it is a lie, 2 factions will now come for me after dark. So let me live, and then come get some, the lot of you.

You don't have a man or a single testicle in your entire family.

He's practically begging for it.


On night 2, I did try to steal 80 credits from CivPlayah because he appeared inactive and the action did not cost me anything. It was listed as a failure. But it did not cost me anything.

OK I'm with Romanic now, that is impossible. It goes directly against what AtPG told me of how credit thefts work. If you had failed, you would have lost your money. Period. You are a liar.

And you admitted you lied about being attacked.

[Renata]

ATPG, how do bus drivers interact with retaliation items? If the ultimate victim has one, they'll still function even if that wasn't the person the killer sent the order on, right?

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow.... I wake up to this?

Basically everyone who waged 30 credits to save MRD is suspicious. I didn't think the case against MRD was that strong, but now that Warman and CB just jumped into this without any explanation.... either they are fellow chaotics or simply belong to the same faction/voting bloc, which is actually also detrimental to the Mafia's interests.

Also, could someone please protect me tonight? In retrospect saying that I belong to an 'endangered' faction may not have been such a great idea! Some unreconstructed Mafioso may like to off one of their rival factions :embarassed:

Wait.

You admit the case was weak, then you say that others a suspicious for defending me. Furthermore, in case you did not notice, 2 of my faction members are dead, just like yours, yet you say that our "voting bloc" of a whopping 5 people is somehow detrimental to a game where credits are king.

And all of this started because of a random DAY 1 vote and someone getting silenced, yet multiple people had the GAG, one dead and one admitting it, but the initial argument has still not been addressed or retracted? It

[Renata]

Actually roleblocks would be welcome also if anyone wants to volunteer.

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm telling you, I did not lose any credits with the theft attempt. None. It was a host mistake, you people took the ball and ran with it. I didn't even vote until the end. How is what I did any worse than B-Ray? B-Ray knew YLC was a townie. And so what if I lied. WE ARE MAFIA. Go back and read Earthlings posts from

Renata, you are grasping at ghosts with me. When I was "begging for it," the votes were against me by 50+. You expect me to grovel and beg and ask for mercy after I already revealed?

I don't even pretend to understand the bus driver thing, but someone may have tried to scan me while someone else bus drivered me, because I was a likley ltarget last night.

My card is the 2 of Diamonds. It matches with Blitzens 2. I might also point out that the two hammer brothers have matching cards. I have been saying this from day 1, that some cards match under special circumstances, and that is one of the initial accusations that Earthling used to attack me, perhaps because it was tantamount to admitting that I was someone one of his friends was pretending to be.

[Renata]

It's possible Warman and some other MRD unvoters are townie. He's been leading a Voting Block the past couple of days, which explains a lot of the item votes, coordinating it through PM's. I know myself, Arpeg (before he died), and Warman to be among the people he contacted. Trusting him and voting him items haven't been the smartest things I've done in this game.

This was from choxorn. I think it pretty much lets Warman off the hook if MRD is scum, because scum don't tend to set up those sorts of item-voting rings with their teammates.

[Renata]

I don't even pretend to understand the bus driver thing, but someone may have tried to scan me while someone else bus drivered me, because I was a likley ltarget last night.

If one of your vote-block cronies wants to admit to it, in public, and discuss the circumstances of their deciding to do so, that might be helpful.

There's really no reason for anyone to randomly bus-drive you and Skooma over anyone else -- minus a huge coincidence it has to have been purposeful; and since as you say you were a likely vig target, the action has to have been meant to protect you.

So does anyone want to admit to it?


My card is the 2 of Diamonds. It matches with Blitzens 2. I might also point out that the two hammer brothers have matching cards. I have been saying this from day 1, that some cards match under special circumstances, and that is one of the initial accusations that Earthling used to attack me, perhaps because it was tantamount to admitting that I was someone one of his friends was pretending to be.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean as to alignment.

[thefluffyone93]

Skooma Addicts points this out as well.. This statement is Bogus and completely absurd.. You don't leave a bandwagon to join another bandwagon, with the explanation that you don't feel like joining bandwagons. So why exactly are you leaving the bandwagon for another?

Oh, I'm sorry,
Its not my fault that the THIRTEEN PERSON BANDWAGON didn't have enough people with the guts to go all in with 30 credits, while a measly 7 people did!
Seriously; I don't consider what I did as jumping onto another bandwagon; in fact, you could have easily won out in the betting had one of you who didn't bet above 15 credits actually did!
So please, don't blame me for the fact that people in your bandwagon wanted to save money instead of killing the person they thought was mafia.

I would also point out that while 4 of the 7 who gambled on civplayah went all in, only 3, of 13, went all in.

[Death is yonder]

Finally finished scanning through the text, and the fact that people acquiesced to your demands to place 30 credits, or 20 even is just eye-brow raising MRD, you must have promised them quite a good deal.


How is what I did any worse than B-Ray? B-Ray knew YLC was a townie.

For starters, B-Ray didn't end up convincing people to place a pile of maximum bets that ended up upping the intensity of the situation and wasting about what, 200+ credits of the overall "town" effort on the side?

And IIRC faction scans aren't conclusive, they just show the faction and its already been proven that chaotics have cover roles. B-Ray himself admitted throughout the voting phase that he didn't stop the YLC lynch as YLC was being generally inactive and unhelpful, the rivalry status of their factions was probably icing on the cake.

And well, you've been making this whole situation as if lynching you would be the end of the world. And evidently getting votes off yourself ASAP was a major concern to you.


the question I pose to all of you is this:
At the start of the day, I was on top of the world. People voted me the Butt X-Ray, they sent PMs telling me I was LOL, they were suspicious of others. Were I truly guilty, then why would I start talking? Why would I start making accusations when I was already in the clear? Why does simply talking about possible Chaos strategy and trying to solve the card mystery make me a target?

You people are like a bunch of little monkeys going after an overturned bananna truck. This is what I get for offering healthy conversation, hypotheses and theories. And next round, after you lynch me and you see that I am innocent, you will all scramble to hide your half-eaten banannas, stuttering out excuses about this and that, to which I willl respond with quotes to show that everything you said that I said that was suspicious was actually not suspicious it was just true.

Rather than healthy debate, I should have just brought biscuits and mustard, pop-up books and pacifiers. Rather than numbering the pages, perhaps we should make them in the goemetrical shapes or farm animals so the numbers aren't so initimidating as to disocurage people from reading the entire thread. I want to say I will Publicly Claim in 2 hrs just to show you I am right, but most of the large voters probably wouldn't return to change their votes. The others would still let me die because I am a faction enemy, and because I am really, really handsome.

You jumped the gun an hour early, and that very shortly after the wager on you was raised by 40 credits overall in the space of just 7 minutes.

Watching the thread rather intently eh?

[Renata]

Oh, I'm sorry,
Its not my fault that the THIRTEEN PERSON BANDWAGON didn't have enough people with the guts to go all in with 30 credits, while a measly 7 people did!
Seriously; I don't consider what I did as jumping onto another bandwagon; in fact, you could have easily won out in the betting had one of you who didn't bet above 15 credits actually did!
So please, don't blame me for the fact that people in your bandwagon wanted to save money instead of killing the person they thought was mafia.

I would also point out that while 4 of the 7 who gambled on civplayah went all in, only 3, of 13, went all in.

Most of us could not be around at the deadline. This is actually a real problem, ATPG. If you're around, you can weigh things properly and decide things only on how much you believe in the guilt of the person you'd be trying to lynch. If you're not around, it is a guess not only on the guilt of your candidate but also on the likelihood of their being lynched at all. It's not a balanced situation.

[Renata]

For starters, B-Ray didn't end up convincing people to place a pile of maximum bets that ended up upping the intensity of the situation and wasting about what, 200+ credits of the overall "town" effort on the side?

Exactly. If MRD is town (and even if he is not, if most of the people voting in his favor were), then this was disastrous. It's not just the lynching of a no-show who should NEVER have been a candidate in the first place (his actually being a townie is almost beside the point) over an actual suspect; it's that such a huge amoutn of town funds went to waste. This cannot continue to happen. I'm almost to the point of saying huge end of day bets are INHERENTLY anti-town.


And IIRC faction scans aren't conclusive, they just show the faction and its already been proven that chaotics have cover roles. B-Ray himself admitted throughout the voting phase that he didn't stop the YLC lynch as YLC was being generally inactive and unhelpful, the rivalry status of their factions was probably icing on the cake.

And yeah. No. For all that if YLC wasn't lynched that day it may have been me instead, it was still a horrible lynch, and B-ray does deserve some blame for not making himself clear. Wasting lots of town money to lynch no-shows on a consistent basis is going to result in a loss.

[Earthling]

All right, Monty Python members, I'm a member of your faction too and we need to talk. It's stupidly obvious who I am and why the chaotics want me dead so badly but they won't succeed tonight at least, and no reason to give them more ammo now. I'm also completely happy to work with the Space faction as we are not rivals of you Spacers and getting rid of the Bizarros seems to be in the interest of everyone. Here's my thoughts on the following vote waggonners - pretty much all of these people need to be systematically exterminated.

MRD - chaotic scum, speaks for himself. I think we should lynch him tomorrow, and furthermore people who have not been voting much before need to be forced to place a good portion of the needed large, 40 credit wagers to show they are not hoarding and even things out, it's not quite fair that some of the town is losing their credits on painful and difficult lynches and others are slacking.
Warman - clearly MRD's chaotic ally. He was voting to save MRD even before civplayah by raising the bet's on ACIN when the first little accusations against MRD came out.
Skooma - Skooma is the other Bizarro member, this is definitely true from a faction scan result I heard. With his bandwagon he's clearly not acting in pro-town (anti-chaotic) interests. He should be killed on principle, but between us Pythons and the Spacers we'll ensure it anyway.
Blackadder - he could be chaotic, Bizarro, or anything, it seems to me he only metagame voted because of his previous role as a member of the Bizarro faction, which sucks but he could be excused. If he's on some random boring faction like South Park with his new role he could easily have just wanted to stall for time, assume MRD would be lynched tomorrow and waste time all on other faction conflicts.
CrazedRabbit - could be scum or anything. Least suspicious of the bunch, but I'd encourage him to be one of the ones who spends HIS credits for pro-townie efforts or lynching someone like MRD or Warman tomorrow.
ACIN - getting replaced and my opinion was his vote shouldn't have even counted, but anyway, the vote on civplayah here was too early for any of the above to really apply. We'll see what his replacement says, hopefully it's someone like Kagemusha who is active.

[Renata]

What the heck is going on with my quoting?

[Renata]

Earthling you told me that Skooma was Rudolf of the Bizarro faction.

Are you saying you have something other than that saying he is Bizarro?

[naut]

I don't know what this is supposed to mean as to alignment.
It doesn't. The cards are a great big red herring. They mean NOTHING, zero, zilch. Just a distraction.

[Earthling]

Yeah, I told you that and thought it was true but I could have been lied to by a third party (I'm not specifying who). Or a bus driver or something could explain it, or MRD is lying with a wholly fake cover role. Anyway, I want to be clear it is known that Skooma is definitely Bizarro but maybe he is supposed to be Clippy. And I see no reason to betray the neutral (Innocent and neutral to my faction, that is in my estimation) guy on that cause he can likely keep scanning.

[Major Robert Dump]

Earthlink:Keep grasping at straws at re-inventing history.
SKOOMA DID NOT VOTE. HE FOLDED. Yet you still implicate him as Bizarro. You have so many lies going it is getting hard for you to keep up.

By the way, everything in your reveal is "public knowledge." Why dont you tell us something worthwhile, like your items, your goals and your powers? SOUND FAMILIAR?

Death is Yonder: I happen to be currently working a desk job that runs late. So yes, I watch the thread. I was about to be bandwagoned by buffoonery, and making this argument you psoe is incredibly weak. And had I not revealed when I did, some of those votes for Civ may not have come or people may not have folded on me. I'm not going to keep my timeline perfect 100% when it was obvious that people were holding out to the last minute to vote big vs me.

[Major Robert Dump]

It doesn't. The cards are a great big red herring. They mean NOTHING, zero, zilch. Just a distraction.

So far, two very like characters have had like cards. 2 reindeer. 2 video game brothers. Except that my fellow reindeer was nuetral not evil. There may be other like charcters in this game. Other than that, I see no pattern, and it gets less and less likely there is one, and even if there was how does it help anyone? God forbid I bring this up again, since it is what brought me heat the first time around.

[Earthling]

I think we all know the proper policy to ignore MRD and his constant lies. Anyway, to elaborate on what I said earlier - I don't want to give the chaotics specific ammo to accomplish anything that can be prevented, we can organize our night actions in private. I do want to hear from the other Pythons even though I'm worried there may just be one remaining who is unknown to me right now and that may be only a neutral or cover role - maybe we have two remaining though, I'm not sure. And Spacers - would be great if just one of you came forward as a liason, you're in a strong position right now and you'll get free allies in all of us who want to fight the chaotics, if you want to focus on fighting the chaotics too. Though for that matter, I'm happy to ally with remaining Simpsons (your faction is also probably pretty screwed), Evil Mafias (same, so we really need to cooperate no matter what) and anyone else who want to work against the chaotics.

[Renata]

MRD - chaotic scum, speaks for himself. I think we should lynch him tomorrow, and furthermore people who have not been voting much before need to be forced to place a good portion of the needed large, 40 credit wagers to show they are not hoarding and even things out, it's not quite fair that some of the town is losing their credits on painful and difficult lynches and others are slacking.

To show they are not hoarding? That's rich.

See my comments above.A huge stack of smaller bets would be preferable. Make anyone who wants to save MRD that badly bet the farm to do so and likely go bankrupt in the process. I would accept that as an appropriate payback for being so anti-town in the first place. And if MRD is somehow not not-town, the town doesn't lose hundreds and hundreds of credits betting on him.


Warman - clearly MRD's chaotic ally. He was voting to save MRD even before civplayah by raising the bet's on ACIN when the first little accusations against MRD came out.

Not entirely clear given choxorn's information. I wouldn't count on it.


Skooma - Skooma is the other Bizarro member, this is definitely true from a faction scan result I heard. With his bandwagon he's clearly not acting in pro-town (anti-chaotic) interests. He should be killed on principle, but between us Pythons and the Spacers we'll ensure it anyway.

LOL. Skooma didn't even have a bet placed at the end of the day, he sort of un-bandwagoned. I'm not sure if he's scummy or not for that, needs looking into.


Blackadder - he could be chaotic, Bizarro, or anything, it seems to me he only metagame voted because of his previous role as a member of the Bizarro faction, which sucks but he could be excused. If he's on some random boring faction like South Park with his new role he could easily have just wanted to stall for time, assume MRD would be lynched tomorrow and waste time all on other faction conflicts.

Too many assumptions, the only safe one being that he is probably not Bizarro *now*. Who did CB sub in for, anyway?


CrazedRabbit - could be scum or anything. Least suspicious of the bunch, but I'd encourage him to be one of the ones who spends HIS credits for pro-townie efforts or lynching someone like MRD or Warman tomorrow.

First thing he says all game is in your own biggest suspect's favor and you don't find him suspicious? That makes no sense, Earthling.


ACIN - getting replaced and my opinion was his vote shouldn't have even counted, but anyway, the vote on civplayah here was too early for any of the above to really apply. We'll see what his replacement says, hopefully it's someone like Kagemusha who is active.

I hope so too. I still don't know what to think of him.

[Renata]

So far, two very like characters have had like cards. 2 reindeer. 2 video game brothers. Except that my fellow reindeer was nuetral not evil. There may be other like charcters in this game. Other than that, I see no pattern, and it gets less and less likely there is one, and even if there was how does it help anyone? God forbid I bring this up again, since it is what brought me heat the first time around.

No, your fellow reindeer was evil.

The point is you've obviously been trying to use it to demonstrate something about yourself. Maybe "The Flax was evil, and so were both the Hammer Brothers, so I must be evil, too".

[Earthling]

See my comments above.A huge stack of smaller bets would be preferable. Make anyone who wants to save MRD that badly bet the farm to do so and likely go bankrupt in the process. I would accept that as an appropriate payback for being so anti-town in the first place. And if MRD is somehow not not-town, the town doesn't lose hundreds and hundreds of credits betting on him.

Too many assumptions, the only safe one being that he is probably not Bizarro *now*. Who did CB sub in for, anyway?

First thing he says all game is in your own biggest suspect's favor and you don't find him suspicious? That makes no sense, Earthling.


Well of course, 10 per person is possible too for like twenty people but if it comes down to it and people won't do that, which to be honest is probably what it will come down to again, meaning it'd be a smaller number of people with more credits per person, then those who have been lurking/hoarding the whole time need a little extra push. The same total number of credits would be needed, either gained back or lost anyway, not suggesting we bet 100 credits over the point where he could save himself just because and risk townie losses,. just that out of those credits, those who are able to afford more and haven't contributed should do so.

I think we need to figure that out, he replaced Double A but no clue what character/faction.

Well he is on the list to be systematically exterminated for anti-town behavior in general, I just don't have any specific suspicions about him. :p

[Major Robert Dump]

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[Major Robert Dump]

No, your fellow reindeer was evil.

The point is you've obviously been trying to use it to demonstrate something about yourself. Maybe "The Flax was evil, and so were both the Hammer Brothers, so I must be evil, too".

good. the theory makes even more sense then

[Death is yonder]

Death is Yonder: I happen to be currently working a desk job that runs late. So yes, I watch the thread. I was about to be bandwagoned by buffoonery, and making this argument you psoe is incredibly weak. And had I not revealed when I did, some of those votes for Civ may not have come or people may not have folded on me. I'm not going to keep my timeline perfect 100% when it was obvious that people were holding out to the last minute to vote big vs me.

Well that's fine and all MRD but you still haven't answered why your life is so precious that you had to ask so many people to save you with maximum credit votes which you yourself denounced.


And even more amusing than the more amusing thing before, is that I get max credit votes. Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong. I think we have either found some Chaotics, or perhaps a faction that is still strong and in comms with one another and trying to snowball anyone they see as a threat. They especially see me as a threat since I will likley get the Butt X-ray

And you obviously had no complains about it, because you got to waste everyone's credits, and now you get to do it again via night actions/the next day's lynch.

Moreover all this while when people have questioned you about how you know about the cards and other features, a prime example would be Choxorn's interactions with you via pm which he posted in thread, you deflected the general question and answered only by saying that you inferred from the card set up and stuff (despite you treating your words as if it were a major concession [see choxorn's post]), yet clearly your behavior in thread does not match a person who doesn't really have anything to lose.

We happen to be playing a particular type of game where innocent people die 90% of the time, its not the tragedy you're making it out to be.

Edit: Here's the quote;


I just gave you a piece of information that you will very soon find out is true as people start dropping dead. Believe it or don't believe it, but don't expect any more goose eggs from me until you give me something in return.


But I am right about the cards. You will see.

Then again, you admitted that you lied:


I broke no rules, everything was a lie except that I also have a 2, which matches the 2 of my dead clanmate, which is what started it all. You were the first person I talked to in the thread. i forwarded my PMs to the host.

Which brings us to the next question, why are you lying to people to try and gain their support, to squeeze stuff out of them with false information for your own gain?

[Earthling]

Actually I wanted to comment on something one more time both because Renata said this extremely well and we need to try one more time for a coherent, pro-townie voting strategy.


Most of us could not be around at the deadline. This is actually a real problem, ATPG. If you're around, you can weigh things properly and decide things only on how much you believe in the guilt of the person you'd be trying to lynch. If you're not around, it is a guess not only on the guilt of your candidate but also on the likelihood of their being lynched at all. It's not a balanced situation.

Pointed out day one. And it gets worse each day as the maximum goes up, three people make 60 credit votes at the deadline could drown out pretty much everyone else with 5-10 credit votes. And that's not even factoring in folding - like last night, me or choxorn could have each folded at the last second and saved thirty credits - we didn't and it was too close to call perhaps, but for a scum it'd be even easier to be like 50, 60, 70 and fold at the last minute and only lose one. Fundamentally there's nothing fair that we even had that chance and, say, Romanichine, Zack, robbiecon who also lost a lot of credits on the losing wagon, didn't.

However, seems like we have no choice but to try to work within the limitations we have anyway, so:

All townies make somewhere in the range of 5-10 credit bets each day as a baseline, no more, no less, and we can build a solid wagon of some tens of credits at least on leading scum suspects. When needed people are specified by the rest of the town collectively to increase their wagers (so, say, we decide we want to force [Joe] to raise his vote to 40 on MRD, to show Joe's compliance and raise the total a bit to ensure the scum is lynched). And from now on last-minute stuff is universally responded against with force by the rest of the town.

[Death is yonder]

All townies make somewhere in the range of 5-10 credit bets each day as a baseline, no more, no less, and we can build a solid wagon of some tens of credits at least on leading scum suspects. When needed people are specified by the rest of the town collectively to increase their wagers (so, say, we decide we want to force [Joe] to raise his vote to 40 on MRD, to show Joe's compliance and raise the total a bit to ensure the scum is lynched). And from now on last-minute stuff is universally responded against with force by the rest of the town.

I disagree.

If every townie was to make a 10 credit baseline bet every single day phase (as an illustration), the net overall result after every phase is a dramatic drop in overall town credits. All the chaotic fellows have to do is maintain killing, sit tight, and eventually the town will run dry and a forced victory will occur.

[Major Robert Dump]

Death is Yonder:


Well that's fine and all MRD but you still haven't answered why your life is so precious that you had to ask so many people to save you with maximum credit votes which you yourself denounced.

In case you didn't notice, I was being bandwagoned with healthy bets. Am I supposed to be a martyr for the good of the town with two of my team already dead? How about NO. The gall of you people to turn this around on me.


And you obviously had no complains about it, because you got to waste everyone's credits, and now you get to do it again via night actions/the next day's lynch.
Did I make people vote to lynch me? Did I force them? You people want to stick your chests out and not expect me to flex as I go down? As for the townies who voted for me, those credits were not a waste. Very well spent I might say.


Moreover all this while when people have questioned you about how you know about the cards and other features, a prime example would be Choxorn's interactions with you via pm which he posted in thread, you deflected the general question and answered only by saying that you inferred from the card set up and stuff (despite you treating your words as if it were a major concession [see choxorn's post]), yet clearly your behavior in thread does not match a person who doesn't really have anything to lose.


Which brings us to the next question, why are you lying to people to try and gain their support, to squeeze stuff out of them with false information for your own gain?

Because it is not legal for me to tell the outright truth in PMs. Was I supposed to tell him the truth rather than say "he said that she said that he said?" Do you really expect me to spill the beans to a guy who I have no idea who he is? I picked him and mythmonster based on their posts about the cards, and decided to see if I gace them some "easter eggs" maybe they would tell me what they knew about cards and identities without actually breaking the rules.

You people are exhuasting. How dare you all turn this around on me and act like I made you do this.

The fact is, you suck at being detectives. Let's review last day phase.

1- You gang up on ACIN based on his posting style. ACIN is a young man in school, he practically lives at the .org, and he feels the need to explain his absence. THAT, I would say, is very typical of our young members. A case is made, he gets bandwagoned, then he is shamed in public and he quits in anger after voting for CivPlayah, and people say "oops maybe he is acting like a townie afterall."

2- I make a comment about not getting credits from Civ. I am very much under the radar again, but nonetheless decide to speak while ACIN is getting bandwagoned. About the same time he quits. People start to vote on CivPlayah. As people start to turn on me, the PM from the host comes that says I have no way of knowing if what I am saying is true, and that all he can tell me is I failed. Well, I also lost no credits. So I read the rules again and figured either you don't lose credits on a fail, or the host made a mistake. Then it is clalrified (I think) that I should have lost credits, so it is most likely mistake that credits were not removed, or I gained credits from a bus driver action. NONE OF THIS MATTERS because I am already being attacked by Robbiecon and having entirely too much fun defending myself. So I let it go. I don't mention the PM, and I let the waterfall begin. Besides, no one was believing anything else I said so -- in the end -- nothing I said mattered. This has been proven for the last 2 days. And as much as I would have liked to gey lynched and be exonerated, I was not going to give up as these self-appointed leaders of the town have drawn my ire and I would only go down cursing and screaming.

3-The vote slowly builds. Several late voters come, to include a late public reveal of my PMs to Choxorm. I am almost lynched. Now people say I made them vote against me. Now people say I made some uber deal with my supporters, even though the deal was simply that I would reveal. My reveal is called a lie, everything is my fault, and as usual the self-appointed Kings of Turd Mountain come out and say "aw, we could have folded but we didn't" as if they are now the victims, and they come up with even more theories and plans that implicate people who have nothing to do with me.

This is it. This is where the town loses. The night will be ugly, if I survive I will be lynched, and when I am lynched the town will erupt into a civil war when they realize they have been following con men and inept detectives and so much money and effort was put into lynching a harmless townie. Greed will destroy this place, and I think that's funny, and because I told you so.

I am exhausted.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I highly doubt MRD is cheating.

[thefluffyone93]

@ MRD

Meh. Its worth the gamble.

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[Jolt]

All townies make somewhere in the range of 5-10 credit bets each day as a baseline, no more, no less, and we can build a solid wagon of some tens of credits at least on leading scum suspects. When needed people are specified by the rest of the town collectively to increase their wagers (so, say, we decide we want to force [Joe] to raise his vote to 40 on MRD, to show Joe's compliance and raise the total a bit to ensure the scum is lynched). And from now on last-minute stuff is universally responded against with force by the rest of the town.

No sorry, I'm not gonna start betting more credits just because you want to. I'll wage exactly the amount I think appropriate based on if I think the suspect is guilty and the current tally situation he is in. Just because some townies constantly bet large to lynch townies and end up losing large amounts of their credit doesn't mean the rest of us will be forced to waste our credits just because you think it's fair.

Simply enough, those townies who do not want to vote big, do not get to push lynches early, and as a consequence end up with more credits for the end game where there is actually a much better notion as to who can be guilty and who is innocent, rather than betting big early on on mostly random lynches based on guesses or tangential evidence, and losing their bets (As we have seen so far). I am hoarding credits, and will continue to do so until I have a suspect I deem worthy of risking my credits on them (Obviously, to lynch them and get my credits back).

[Major Robert Dump]

I cannot take all of this drama. Just this morning I lost a bunch of hair in the hairbrush, and my ulcer had me pooping blood. My mistress has left me for my ex-wife, my utilities got turned off, and my dog has been dead for a week and I didn't even notice. I CANNOT LIVE LIKE THIS.

[Earthling]

So you're a Texan infiltrator after all. Sounds like you're working on a bad country song.

[Renata]

If we have someone who wants to take a shot at becoming a vig, and you contact me, I think I might have something in mind. Maybe. Up to you, but contact me if you're curious.

[Major Robert Dump]

If we have someone who wants to take a shot at becoming a vig, and you contact me, I think I might have something in mind. Maybe. Up to you, but contact me if you're curious.

I'll do it. PM sent. I really hope you get your guy.

[Skooma Addict]

Earthling you told me that Skooma was Rudolf of the Bizarro faction.
He implied to me in private he was Bizarro which he is not. He claimed I jumped on the bandwagon he started, which I did not. He told you I was Rudolph which I am not. Three deliberate lies during one half of a phase. Townies usually don't need to lie, especially to each other for no apparent reason.



Skooma - Skooma is the other Bizarro member, this is definitely true from a faction scan result I heard. With his bandwagon he's clearly not acting in pro-town (anti-chaotic) interests. He should be killed on principle, but between us Pythons and the Spacers we'll ensure it anyway.

So you're going to murder me then? Cute innocent little old me?

1232


Very well then. Allow me to impress upon you the severe mistake you have made. For days my conduct has been largely benign. And yet, without provocation, you have severed our détante and forced me to unleash upon you the vengeful flames of a thousand suns! You shall curse your mother for the day of your birth...So go now....go, and begin your life of fear, knowing that when you least expect it, the looming sword of Damocles will crash down upon you, cleaving you in twain and as you gaze upon the smoking wreckage that was once your life, you will regret the day you crossed the WRONG BUNNEH!!

1233

skooma cookie for anyone who can tell me where that quote is from.

[Earthling]

He implied to me in private he was Bizarro which he is not. He claimed I jumped on the bandwagon he started, which I did not.

I did not say any such thing, if anything in private you were the one attempting to hint at your role because you tried to ask me who I was, but that couldn't be answered by the rules and I did not answer. And you did jump on the MRD bandwagon and quickly hop off.

[Major Robert Dump]

I cannot take all of this drama. Just this morning I lost a bunch of hair in the hairbrush, and my ulcer had me pooping blood. My mistress has left me for my ex-wife, my utilities got turned off, and my dog has been dead for a week and I didn't even notice. I CANNOT LIVE LIKE THIS.

On second thought, I am a liar, and I love this drama!!!!

This is better than Maury Povich Paternity Tests. This is better than Maury Povich Stop Feeding Your Fat Baby! This is better than Maury Povich My Teen Daughter is Out of Control.

Okay, maybe not the My Teen Daughter is Out of Control with that one, um, smart girl with the red hair anda really, really nice pair of, um, shoes and a MILF for a mom and a GILF for a grandma. But I digress. (And I lied about being a liar)

[Major Robert Dump]

skooma cookie for anyone who can tell me where that quote is from.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show

[thefluffyone93]

OFF TOPIC......NOW!!!

Say, how about that wedding or something that happened over in England, huh?
I think it was for someone very important.....

[Chaotix]

My card is the 2 of Diamonds. It matches with Blitzens 2. I might also point out that the two hammer brothers have matching cards. I have been saying this from day 1, that some cards match under special circumstances, and that is one of the initial accusations that Earthling used to attack me, perhaps because it was tantamount to admitting that I was someone one of his friends was pretending to be.

Wrongo.

Blitzen's got a 3 of Spades. So... you're lying, or mistaken.

And what's more, the real 2 of Clubs was Jerry Seinfeld, a Neutral. So if we want to go by your logic, not only are you lying about being Rudolph (esp. since there is a counterclaim against you), but you are also a neutral role and therefore dangerous to the town.

So what is it? Do we believe the card numbers have significance, and therefore find you to be neutral scum and lynch you?

Or should we believe they have nothing to do with anything, and therefore find you to be just plain old lying scum and lynch you?

The choice is yours, MRD...

[Earthling]

Say, how about that wedding or something that happened over in England, huh?
I think it was for someone very important.....

Huh? I don't know what you're talking about...

The only important thing going on today was the new mlp episode... which was great... but weirdly interpretable in the lens of that Internet fic where Pinkie kills her friends and bakes them into cupcakes. Much like we're going to do to the Bizarro faction.

[mythmonster2]

Dear God, I leave for a day and this happens. Honestly, this is bloody despicable. All I can tell is that this night will be very, very, interesting.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hey guys I am back. I took the past 24-30 hours off to cool down, and I am feeling a lot better. I apologize for my behavior and I promise that my personal life won't be intruding into my online mafia personality anymore. After my break from the game I decided I am not going to get mad any longer because I figure it is just a game anyway. I'm gonna stick around and try to have fun like normal.

Now, with that said I came back to this thread with like 3 full pages of the most odd behavior I have seen. Now, I still have not wrapped my head around everything yet, but I do have something that I think should come forward.

I don't know what to make of this, but while I was away approximately 1hr and 30min (I believe the round ended at 11pm my time) before the end of the day round I received this message from MRD titled "thanks guys":

We are under 2 hrs out from voting. as it stands, when I vote 30, it will put CivPlayah ahead by 4. Also, they will lose 10 votes just before the whistle.

again, thanks, I owe u all

The other people that received this message were Crazed Rabbit, Warman and Thefluffyone.

NOTE: I am not trying to bash MRD and spin him as a chaotic. I simply want this message and info it has brought out into the open because I don't want the burden of responsibility on me if MRD does turn out to be chaotic and I did not say anything. If I didn't post this and MRD is chaotic I would have hurt the town, if MRD is not chaotic, then imo nothing bad will come from this because the "teams" that seem to have formed already have players making clear affiliations.

I will spent tonight (thank god it is friday) filling out my notebook with statements from the past three pages, and I will post again near the end of the night round with my views on what is happening and what I think should be done.

Also, I just want to say I'm extra sorry to Zack for being a complete jerk. It's just a game and you are just playing it.

[thefluffyone93]

I will spent tonight (thank god it is friday) filling out my notebook with statements from the past three pages, and I will post again near the end of the night round with my views on what is happening and what I think should be done.
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[Zack]

Glad to have you back ACIN.


The fact is, you suck at being detectives.

Oh, I must have missed your suspect, then? Tell us, MRD, tell us! Tell us, because we are terrible and you are awesome!

[Major Robert Dump]

CHAOTIX: So I was right in the first point. You left out the rest of my post. I have a 2, so I match Jerry not the other deer, which means that like animals dont have matching cards. Thats why I initially said that my match had a nuetral, but then Renata corrected me and said no your maych was the evil deer, and I was like oh yeah. I don't pay attention to details and miss little things. So that blows half my conspiracy out of the water and makes the cards all the more likley insignificant.

But remember, I am not allowed to speculate about cards or it might get me lynched per day 2 and 3.

Furthermore, I am a liar. But I was publicly called a liar over something I did not lie about long before my true lies were made public. So as you all get wrapped around the axel over my fake lies and ignore my true lies, I ask you this: am I lying, and does it matter since you hard heads won't believe me anyway? I didn't start this, you people did.

[Major Robert Dump]

Glad to have you back ACIN.



Oh, I must have missed your suspect, then? Tell us, MRD, tell us! Tell us, because we are terrible and you are awesome!

I never said that I was awesome. You guys implied that I was awesome. I hate to tell you all, but you are correct.

My main suspect is Earthlink and his Butt X-Ray. But that is based soley on his attacks on me. Everyone else I voted was either already dead or it was a self defense vote. I have not called for any murders nor lead any bandwagons, I have simply pointed things out as observations. I responded to accusations with equally RIDONCULOUS counter-accusations. I do not really suspect anyone, because I not only lie, but I don't make the pretense of being the sucky town leader or the sucky town detective. Or should I say DEFECTIVE :ROFLCOPTER

ACIN: the email is nothing. I was thanking people who voted for me. I suppose you may have changed your vote before you pitched a fit and left, but whats funny is that some people (and by People I mean Earthlink) were tyring to say your vote would not count because you quit. I sent you all group emails thanking you for the vote. Big deal, it implicates no one, as it was done after the fact. It was a Thank You note, just like the thank you box of chocolates you send the doctor after a prostate exam.

I do, however, wish you didn't expose the others because they will be blamed as being in cahoots even though the rest only sent me zero emails in return, unless you count fluffy and his gosh darned pictures.

[thefluffyone93]

I do, however, wish you didn't expose the others because they will be blamed as being in cahoots even though the rest only sent me zero emails in return, unless you count fluffy and his gosh darned pictures.
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[Zack]

My main suspect is Earthlink and his Butt X-Ray. But that is based soley on his attacks on me. Everyone else I voted was either already dead or it was a self defense vote. I have not called for any murders nor lead any bandwagons, I have simply pointed things out as observations. I responded to accusations with equally RIDONCULOUS counter-accusations. I do not really suspect anyone

SCUM ALERT SCUM ALERT SCUM ALERT

(in this case, scum = chaotic, anti-mafia, whatever)

[Major Robert Dump]

Upon further examination of the entire thread, each post, front to back, beginning to end, I have come to a different conclusion.

First, I have been wrong, and for that I apologize. For the longest time, I thought that I was right. I thought that the destruction of Chaos, the survival of myself and the triumph of my faction was the most important thing in the game. There were good times, there were bad times. I made accusations, people got angry, fights were had, and people were lynched. There were murders and backstabbing, betrayal and teabagging. There were tears along the way.

Earthlink, I am sorry. Robbicorn, I am sorry. Zack,B-Rag, Robocop and Testes, I am sorry.

After I went over the entire game again, I found a terrible mistake. I was not right. I was SUPER RIGHT.

As they say in the hood, TAD-DOW (while slapping their Thang).

Can someone tell me how to load these bullets into this Butt X-Ray?

[thefluffyone93]

There were murders and backstabbing, betrayal and teabagging. There were tears along the way.

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[Choxorn]

Upon further examination of the entire thread, each post, front to back, beginning to end, I have come to a different conclusion.

First, I have been wrong, and for that I apologize. For the longest time, I thought that I was right. I thought that the destruction of Chaos, the survival of myself and the triumph of my faction was the most important thing in the game. There were good times, there were bad times. I made accusations, people got angry, fights were had, and people were lynched. There were murders and backstabbing, betrayal and teabagging. There were tears along the way.

Earthlink, I am sorry. Robbicorn, I am sorry. Zack,B-Rag, Robocop and Testes, I am sorry.

After I went over the entire game again, I found a terrible mistake. I was not right. I was SUPER RIGHT.

As they say in the hood, TAD-DOW (while slapping their Thang).

Can someone tell me how to load these bullets into this Butt X-Ray?

Dear Roger Mabert Dumpy,

Please stop acting like a douche to other people.

[Major Robert Dump]

I tell you what:

I will stop posting in this thread altogether if I could get each person to write a few short sentences about how much they adore Venison Sausage. I happen to know where there is a very large -- and I mean large -- stash of Venison Sausage that is ripe for the taking. It's just hanging there waiting to be devoured. I'm not saying it won't be hard, but it will be rewarding. At least for me.

[Choxorn]

Eat my shorts, scumbag.

[Seon]

Hey Choxy, MRD, with the way that you two go against each other, somebody is guaranteed to talk.

Don't make me send my angels of death to forcibly remove you two :whip:

[Visor]

From this exchange, it is obvious that Autolycus is scum.

[classical_hero]

That song rocks. Where's me replacement? I hae tae go an hoost a game.
I am here, just that I was busy and I had to work today on a Saturday, so that is why i have not shown up as of yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey folks, let's make sure the conversation stays on-topic. It's already rather wordy and some people are not fast readers and you risk burying them and making them less interested in playing. Do as you will, but at least keep the discussion focused on the game.

[Kagemusha]

People dont get confused by the strange blabber of some. Few pointers. Chaotic players want you to use your credits, so kill the ones who drive big betting. Also if you want to first take care of the Chaotic enemy.Start resurrecting dead players. use us as your cannon fodder and force the chaotic players to spend their kills on us over and over again, or force them into situation where more and more confirmed evil mafiosos will be around for the end game. If we will become too focused on killing other mafia factions it will only benefit the chaotics. Afterall we are the evil ones and they are only "chaotic" so we should show them what real terror is.

[Renata]

People dont get confused by the strange blabber of some. Few pointers. Chaotic players want you to use your credits, so kill the ones who drive big betting.

Agreed.


Also if you want to first take care of the Chaotic enemy.Start resurrecting dead players. use us as your cannon fodder and force the chaotic players to spend their kills on us over and over again, or force them into situation where more and more confirmed evil mafiosos will be around for the end game. If we will become too focused on killing other mafia factions it will only benefit the chaotics. Afterall we are the evil ones and they are only "chaotic" so we should show them what real terror is.

Good idea, but it's too expensive, 180 gold a pop at 80% chance. Not many people are going to get that much very often. However, anyone with nothing really useful to do might want to try it for free one time to see if it's their hidden ability.

[Visor]

We could organise it I suppose.

[ByzantineKnight]

However, anyone with nothing really useful to do might want to try it for free one time to see if it's their hidden ability.

:yes:

I'm not chaotic... Jus' sayin' ^_^

[Major Robert Dump]

I was doing pretty well on credits, wanting to perform a rez, and changing my name temporarily for this game to Necromancer BellyDancer, but then some people started yelling at me and now I have to spend all my dollars on lynch votes and defense actions. I need to keep this short for the poor readers.

[Jolt]

I only read posts with less than ten words.

[Zack]

I only read posts with less than ten words.

Then you should know that I think you are ____10th word here_____

[Earthling]

Start resurrecting dead players. use us as your cannon fodder and force the chaotic players to spend their kills on us over and over again, or force them into situation where more and more confirmed evil mafiosos will be around for the end game. If we will become too focused on killing other mafia factions it will only benefit the chaotics.

Gee, wonder who had this idea first. Though that's not going to cut it when the host may randomly declare that people we were about to revive can no longer be revived. But since you're active it would be great if you could be resurrected into any inactive role that needs replacing. You could spread around spoiler information about your old faction just like the resurrected Pythons have been doing to my great annoyance, and that also means that virtually no Simpsons players will ever be revivable as no one would revive an SK either and we could convince the remaining members of the Springfield faction to ally up against the chaotics. Maybe down the line we could organize a revival of some of those Evil Mafia faction members or something if they're still allowed to be revived.

>>Reviving out, no one has enough credits, kill baddies instead.

[Kagemusha]

In matter of fact i dont want to replace anyone. Im not big fan of replacemt players. I rather play this game trough as Itchy and Scratchy, as i think there is lot good i can do with my current role, dead or not. Like i said before factionalism is only a trap which will make us play on the hand of the chaotic faction, so that should be avoided until the chaotic faction have been crushed. It would seem that the Chaotic players have cover roles as belonging to certain mafia factions, so just forget about your faction winning conditions or you will be double crossed by the chaotics, or atleast you will hand the chaotic players the ability to choose which way and with whom they want to win the game.

There is no problem in reviving either. All you need is two people cooperating me thinks? Timing is ofcourse crucial to determine, when resurrecting should be commenced. Still im not saying resurrecting is crucial to the victory either.It is just an option. I think the several options in this game may blind some players. You will just have to look through the variables and see that behind everything it is simple task yet again to find the chaotic players and get rid of them. Lynch Renata next turn and get some more credits, if you lack them so bad. ;)

[thefluffyone93]

This about sums up this entire game.
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[Askthepizzaguy]

Yo Fluffy I herd you like memes, so I put a meme generator in your meme generator so you can generate memes while you generate memes.

[B-Wing]

I only read posts with less than ten words.

My word limit is significantly higher, but I share your sentiments. Some of these incredibly long posts are just too much, especially when two or more pages of them come up in a single day. I'm trying to keep up with players' actions, which I hope will benefit later on in the game, but I'm not gonna read every word somebody writes, especially when it's back-and-forth between just two or three guys.

[naut]

I only read posts with less than ten words.
I'm illiterate.

[thefluffyone93]

Yo Fluffy I herd you like memes, so I put a meme generator in your meme generator so you can generate memes while you generate memes.

ITS....ITS ALL I EVER WANTED!
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[Askthepizzaguy]

Please don't make me pee myself. :laugh4:

[Zack]

Hey folks, let's make sure the conversation stays on-topic. It's already rather wordy and some people are not fast readers and you risk burying them and making them less interested in playing. Do as you will, but at least keep the discussion focused on the game.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/huh.gif


Yo Fluffy I herd you like memes, so I put a meme generator in your meme generator so you can generate memes while you generate memes.


Please don't make me pee myself. :laugh4:

[dcmort93]

Yo Fluffy I herd you like memes, so I put a meme generator in your meme generator so you can generate memes while you generate memes.
MEMECEPTION

[thefluffyone93]

Please don't make me pee myself. :laugh4:

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[Diamondeye]

ITS....ITS ALL I EVER WANTED!
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[thefluffyone93]

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[Seon]

Diamondeye, fluffy, get a room together away from everyone else or else I will have to cancel my appointment with choxy and MRD to come after you two.

[thefluffyone93]

Diamondeye, fluffy, get a room together away from everyone else or else I will have to cancel my appointment with choxy and MRD to come after you two.

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[Major Robert Dump]

Diamondeye, fluffy, get a room together away from everyone else or else I will have to cancel my appointment with choxy and MRD to come after you two.

The appointment has already been cancelled, as I am too busy filling orders for Venison Sausage.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, I've already processed your orders and will try to do the writeup now.

I'll send out result PMs after that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT THREE






Dragged you down below
Down to the Devil's show
To be his guest forever
Peace of mind is less than never
Hate to twist your mind
but God ain't on your side
An old acquaintance severed
Render of your last endeavor

Ashes burning, you can smell it in the air
Cause men like you have such an easy soul to steal
So stand in line while banging numbers in your head
You're now a slave until the end of time
And nothing stops the madness turning
haunting, yearning, pull the trigger!

You should have known
The price of evil
And it hurts to know that you belong here


-- Avenged Sevenfold







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Choxorn stood by his vehicle, mask in hand. He was ready... if only he could find a victim. No sooner had he thought of one, did someone approach him.


"Would you like some ice cream? I promise you, it will make you forget all your misery...." said Choxorn.


The approaching figure wasn't a child, or even a frail-looking adult. No, this was an imposing figure, with gigantic black wings, wielding all manner of medieval weaponry. In its powerful hands, the figure held a massive spiked mace. Its face was dark and disfigured. The being did not look too well, but it did not look too easy to destroy either. Blood dripped down the mace, and the figure grimly grinned at choxorn. Even its grin was frightening.


"Last chance, freak show. Trick or treat." threatened Choxorn. The figure said nothing, and continued walking toward Choxorn. Finally choxorn decided that it was time to run over the approaching figure, and put it out of its misery. Choxorn started the vehicle and drove straight at the being, which stood its ground, and stood in a bracing position.






The ice cream truck smashed into the winged creature, and flipped completely over. A huge dent was made in the front of the truck, as it came tumbling to a stop. The winged creature seemed unaffected.









As choxorn lay on the ground, bleeding, he was barely aware of someone leaning down and licking the blood off of his face. Seconds later, he saw a gigantic spiked mace heading for his skull.


In the morning, they found choxorn's remains.

Most of them, anyway.




______________________________





Zack had been preparing for this moment his whole life. The years of training... the very culture he grew up in... all driving him toward this moment. And it was finally here. In the center of the city, Zack had been looking for a fight. He held his long, sharp blade in both hands, with his desert eagle strapped to his thigh. And soon enough, the fight came looking for him.



"Halt! Who approaches unannounced? Only a fool would approach me unarmed." Zack warned.


The approaching figure said nothing, but its eyes burned green with malice. The figure was holding a very long blade in one hand, and the other hand was making a beckoning motion, as if daring Zack to make good on his threat.


"You dishonor me. The penalty for that is death, petaQ."


Roaring with fury, the warrior Zack charged toward the green eyed figure, with batleth raised to deliver a killing blow. The green-eyed figure blocked the strike with its long sword, and pushed the attacking warrior off. Zack was undaunted, and charged again, only to be similarly repelled. Zack's blood was pulsing through his body, and he was filled with lust for battle. He gave it all he had to defeat this unknown stranger, and he was making little headway.




After a few minutes of this seeming stalemate, the green eyed figure smiled slightly, and quickly twisted the long blade, severing Zack's torso from his legs with one smooth strike. Zack fell to the pavement, howling in pain. Even now, the warrior would not yield, and reached for the gun. The warrior aimed it at the approaching green eyed figure, and fired until it was empty, while shouting Klingon profanities.



The green eyed assailant stood, completely unscathed by the weapons. Finally, the assailant spoke.


"Death awaits you, mortal. But fear not... soon comes an end to suffering. An end to strife. Through me, everything will be reborn."


Zack spat blood at the assailant, who quickly impaled Zack through the face, ending his life.







______________________________




The man clad in black armor stood watch over the bridge connecting the two sides of the city. A cloaked figure approached, and prepared to attack. But the man in black armor simply stared back at the cloaked figure.


The cloaked figure unleashed a blast of power, sending electric energy directly toward the armored man. The impact of the blast was enormous, and sparks flew everywhere. The cloaked figure laughed victoriously, as he continued to approach.


"Hahahahahaa!!! Feel the power! The incredible, unstoppable power!"




Strangely, the man in black armor was still on his feet.




With a swing of his mighty sword, the man in black armor smashed the cloaked figure atop its head, knocking him unconscious. Nonchalantly, the man in black armor returned to guarding the bridge. A faint glow of a magical shield surrounded the man in black armor.


"None shall pass" stated the armored man, matter-of-factly.









______________________________




Summary of events:


choxorn has been murdered!

choxorn was Choir Director James Marshall, of the Psychotic Mafia Faction!

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choxorn was EVIL!

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6 of Spades





Zack has been murdered!

Zack was Klingon Assassin, of the Space Mafia faction!

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Zack was EVIL!

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8 of Spades











Alive Players- (35/50)

A completely inoffensive name
Autolycus
B_Ray2 (Replacing Methos)
Beefy187
Believer
Beskar
Bow-wow-wow
Captain Blackadder2 (Replacing Double A)
Chaotix
classical_hero2 (Replacing El Barto)
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
GamezRule
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ironside
Jolt
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump
Mythmonster2
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman


Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero

Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One

TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One

YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two

Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two

civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three

choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three



BEGIN DAY FOUR.




Items to be voted on:



(20% retaliatory kill chance) Klingon Warrior's SWORD OF KAHLESS
(20% bus driver chance) James Marshall's ICE CREAM TRUCK
(FACTION SCANNING + 10% investigatory) Professor Farnsworth's EXTRA-THICK GLASSES



Max wager today is 40 credits.

[Choxorn]

Yeah, I pretty much expected that.

If MRD is alive at the end of today, I'm going to wreak my horrible vengeance on all who are responsible. AND IT WILL BE EVIL. Now, where is that chainsaw...

[Askthepizzaguy]

There will probably be a rule change regarding credit stealing announced shortly. I have to take a break, PM results are out.

When I come back I'll announce my decision, and why the change was necessary, and what my decision is on making it fair on people who have already endured under the old system. Likely some credits will be refunded to victims, while the thieves keep what they stole.

[God Emperor]

So.. MRD is the knight in black armor, that can endure night attacks? Taking a quick glance at the previous writeups, it would appear that this is now the second time that the black knight has endured night attacks.
Bet: 3 credit on MRD

As for items, I really begin to feel the paranoia growing, as I did not get the retalation item yesterday. I would like the sword of Kahless.

(20% retaliatory kill chance) Klingon Warrior's SWORD OF KAHLESS - Vote for myself

The other items also needs to be well distributed (at least the bus driver one) , so I would like to know who would be perticulary interested in that item

[Visor]

Sword of kahless to myself.

Bet: 2 credits on MRD time to die scum.

Anyone want the others?

[Subotan]

Sword of kahless to Subotan.

Bet: 40 credits on MRD

That, gentlemen, is how you lynch a player.

[Beskar]

Vote Klingon Warrior's SWORD OF KAHLESS for Beskar

Because I can make it more powerful. :yes:

[Subotan]

We all can.

[Visor]

Yes, everyone can. But that is neither here or there. Vote for MRD.

[Diamondeye]

It was mentioned earlier that the best way of distributing items was to as many people as possible, for several reasons.
Therefore, I have no problem in handing GE the sword.

I want the scanner. And Bet 9 MRD

[God Emperor]

Scanner to Diamondeye :bow:

[shlin28]

Bet: 5 Credits on MRDThat, gentlemen, is how you lynch a player as a townie :laugh4:

Sword of Kahless to God-Emperor
Scanner to Diamondeye

These two hasn't got items yet if I recall correctly.

[Believer]

I'll follow suit, for once.

Bet: 40 credits on MRD

[Subotan]

Fine I'll take the Ice Cream Truck then, and surrender my claim to the sword.

[Renata]

sword of kahless to GE

MRD isn't the black knight, by the way (unless attacks would go through cover roles or some such), which case someone might want to take credit. He says he's Rudolf of Bizarro; and the Black Knight has to be Python.

By the way the other two attacks (green eyes/sword; winged figure/spiked mace) match killers from night two. (The green eyes one is probably not the same as the chainsaw killer from night one, given the sword.) Two anti-mafia killers seems most likely; choxorn was dangerous and Zack looking rather innocent.

I only know of one protector, and that's not enough. We need to keep increasing the deterrence factor.

I propose the ice cream truck to Shlin, as one of the least likely players in the game to be anti-mafia. I hate making him any more of a target, but that item gives me the willies. And it would at least put together a player who deserves protection on his own with an item that needs protecting.

[Diamondeye]

Renata, MRD has been lying his hat off. I'm not saying he's false-claiming, but it's a possibility.

And sure, Ice cream truck to Shlin

[shlin28]

Er.... if you are sure. :worried2:

[Major Robert Dump]

OMGz Rudolph in a Mafia Game is a liar!! The horror! The horror! I must not have paid attention in church! Imagine someone lying to strangers who all may secretly be the true enemy! I should have revealed before the game even started! Here's a hint: go read The Night Santa Went Crazy and you will see I am behaving perfectly normal: AS A LIAR AND A THIEF

I got into no fights. Either no one attacked me because they thought everyone else would, or people defended me. I self defended last night and tried to steal from Zack because he had uber retatliation items. I knew he did because he got a ret item last turn after requesting, which meant he probably already had one and wanted to combine them.

I am done defending myself. I have revealed. I will not tell you people every last bit of truth about me -- like my items and my personal goals -- because I do have some shred of dignity left. Now I just act bizarre and spam the thread. This is where the town loses the game, as all who led the charge against me turn on each other. Gratz!

[Zack]

Vote for MRD.

[Greyblades]

Ok, which one of you mooks tried to kill me last night?

[Death is yonder]

Vote:
Ice Cream truck to shlin28
Sword of Kahless to shlin28

Bet 4 Credits: MRD

Follow up from previous round.

And Renata, if you concur with that belief, shouldn't it be the other way around? At the very least the retaliation item deters attempts to murder. Just wondering why GE and not shlin.

Although if adhering to the principle of one item per person I don't really have any person who stands out as deserving of a 20% bus driver item (AKA not going to wreak havoc and mischief intentionally with it) so I'll just stick to giving it to shlin in conjunction with the sword as IMO a bit pointless to give him the truck only and make him a bigger target without some form of dissuasion to attempting murder.


I self defended last night and tried to steal from Zack

So after getting your "butt x-ray" you did nothing with it?

[Beefy187]

Bet: 10 credit on MRD

Not changing this time.

Vote: Ice cream truck to Shlin

[Seon]

Ok, which one of you mooks tried to kill me last night?

I did. I apologize, Mr. Greyblades:bow:

[thefluffyone93]

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/serious.png?t=1304261929

[Earthling]

I'd like to accuse both Greyblades and Ironside, from Day 2, of lying about being attacked. I've been attacked twice and it's appeared in the writeup both times. Maybe you were attacked by Innocent vig attempts or maybe it's just a little quirk I didn't know about with my role as the Black Knight, but still, something is fishy.

Also, I think I am an extremely strong candidate for a couple of these items. For one because I haven't been voted any items, already had mine stolen from me, and also, it's a solid plan that I can make use of them and you know I'm anti-chaotic. The scum are going to continue to have a really hard time killing me but give me the scanner and just a bit of retaliatory chance and I can become like a permanent scanner, I will also share my results publicly.

vote: SWORD OF KAHLESS, THICK GLASSES to Earthling

Bet: 7 credits on MRD seems like the right amount, everyone should bet up so we're in it about the same.

[Beskar]

Why God Emperor?


We all can.

Yes, because we all have a retaliatory item... wait... we don't... oh... nevermind, that isn't true.

[Jolt]

Ok, which one of you mooks tried to kill me last night?

So, you're that Black Knight? You seem pretty powerful. The one who attacked you was most likely a Jedi Knight/Master, so for you to have a glow and knock out a Jedi Knight in one blow means you're something out of the ordinary. Or you have one of those uber defence skills.

EDIT: Nvm, just read Earthling's post.


I'd like to accuse both Greyblades and Ironside, from Day 2, of lying about being attacked. I've been attacked twice and it's appeared in the writeup both times. Maybe you were attacked by Innocent vig attempts or maybe it's just a little quirk I didn't know about with my role as the Black Knight, but still, something is fishy.

Also, I think I am an extremely strong candidate for a couple of these items. For one because I haven't been voted any items, already had mine stolen from me, and also, it's a solid plan that I can make use of them and you know I'm anti-chaotic. The scum are going to continue to have a really hard time killing me but give me the scanner and just a bit of retaliatory chance and I can become like a permanent scanner, I will also share my results publicly.

vote: SWORD OF KAHLESS, THICK GLASSES to Earthling

Bet: 7 credits on MRD seems like the right amount, everyone should bet up so we're in it about the same.

Actually, I don't know that at all. That being silenced joke (Which MRD accurately said either Renata or you were lying which ended up being true) is still very fishy, plus demanding everyone to bet large already early in game, it may very well mean that you are up to something, and I wouldn't rule you being Mafia. Since MRD is being lynched tonight, we shall see if he's Mafia or townie. If he's townie, then I don't foresee a good scenario for you. If he's Mafia then your credibility will certainly improve with me.

Until then, I wouldn't really advise the town to sticking retaliatory items on a Black Knight which knocks out Jedi/Sith Masters with one blow.

EDIT: Bet: 1 credit on MRD

[Earthling]

People are voting, say, items to GE because they are still attempting backscratching-return-those-votes-down-the-line games with no reason to suspect each other's innocence. The only reason the bus driver item isn't also going to go to me is because I don't want it, I wouldn't have enough night ability slots.

The other enemies of the Python faction are the Dark Falls mafia. Now, I don't know who any of you are, that's ok though, you're not likely going to do anything further to me. Furthermore, since Seon died and was a cover role, I'd expect the remainder of you (2, 3?) to probably not also be chaotics in disguise, neutral at worst and that's not so bad. I'm just as worried the remaining 1, at most 2, Pythons could be cover roles at this point. The Bizarros we already know are taken care of, it'll be interesting to see how strong the alliance between Skooma and MRD remains or if there's a willingness to fess up and lynch a chaotic cover role even if they were nominally your faction mate. As for the rest of you, still powerful factions, South Park, Psychos, Spacers, whatever, you don't care at all about us Pythons and we don't care about you, I know this and you know this. So you could give items to unknowns without a reason or lend your support - items, lynch plans, knowledge, to someone who is both a huge thorn in the chaotic's side and will do no harm to your faction.

Also due a fun thing about my role reveal I believe Diamondeye is required to address me from now on as "my liege" or "His Lordship Earthling." He'll be getting a PM shortly I expect.

[Earthling]

Jolt with your edit there...the heck are you talking about? Both Renata and me were silenced on Day Two. And how in the world do you have proof it was supposedly a Jedi role who attacked me? A bunch of people clearly keep targeting me, I've been stolen from, silenced, attacked, and Texan traitors are everywhere, but if you're really pathetic non-choatics attempting to be thieves or vigilantes or whatever that foolishness is on you.

[Jolt]

Jolt with your edit there...the heck are you talking about? Both Renata and me were silenced on Day Two. And how in the world do you have proof it was supposedly a Jedi role who attacked me? A bunch of people clearly keep targeting me, I've been stolen from, silenced, attacked, and Texan traitors are everywhere, but if you're really pathetic non-choatics attempting to be thieves or vigilantes or whatever that foolishness is on you.


Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me.[...]

The quick reveal followed by brush off remark ('Yeah, I lied but its not really important lets continue playing the game'). And the fact that you are now saying that you have in fact been silenced is...perplexing.

As for the proof, I think if you compare this:

The cloaked figure unleashed a blast of power, sending electric energy directly toward the armored man. The impact of the blast was enormous, and sparks flew everywhere. The cloaked figure laughed victoriously, as he continued to approach.


"Hahahahahaa!!! Feel the power! The incredible, unstoppable power!"

With this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCznGaex2c

Maybe you'll understand.

[Bow-wow-wow]

Bet: 1 credit on MRD.

If that is your real name.

[thefluffyone93]

I want mah item back.....
*sniffle*

[Earthling]

I didn't lie about being silenced on Day Two and I'm still not lying. You should read the thread if you ignored several pages and need to catch up.


As for the proof, I think if you compare this:


For the Star Wars/force lightning part I agree it could look that way but the point is, if you know nothing more it doesn't lend credence to your other statements. The chaotics could be attacking as cover roles, I'm not sure if you want to claim this was a specific vig attempt by someone and not a cover role or what, but you're the one who is not reading clearly. And as a matter of fact, my survival was equivalent to a self-defense action that any player anywhere could perform through purchase with credits, so you don't appear to understand how flavor in a write-up works, there's no game mechanic for lightning being super effective against water types and less effective against rock types and whatnot. Admittedly you could suggest the possibility that for some reason people who claim to have been attacked and defended themselves maybe with items don't appear in the writeups, but the point is, your attempts to downplay the writeups and discredit me are odd and scummy. Reconsider what you are saying if you meant to say something different.

edit - oh, I see the quote you put in. It appears you didn't read the thread. I posted a couple of images on Day Three just as a joke, which you must have missed and when I had time to get back to the thread and discuss some real issues I spoke up as I wasn't silenced. I was silenced on Day Two.

[Major Robert Dump]

The idea that both Renata and Earthling were silenced by two people with two Butt X-Rays that only have a 50% chance to hit is very much against the odds. Someone else has one, and since Arpegg was Chaotic, the other owner is probably Chaotic as well.

People who claim they were stolen from might want to reveal what was stolen, for plausibel deniability down the road, because anyone can pretend to be a victim and knowing the item may save your butt down the road. For example, I will tell you all now that I stole an item in night 2 that only the previous owner and myself will know because it was a combined uber item.

I was roleblocked last night. I did not bother to use the Butt X-Ray because I needed to defend and I wanted to try to steal something from someone responsible for my demise. Both failed for unknown reasons, which means I was roleblocked.

[shlin28]

Earthling, you demands are really getting old now. I right now think that you are who you claim you are, but on what basis can you claim to be anti-chaotic? You desperately want others' details, but you are only willing to release tidbits about yourself... Surely you don't need to be so cautious, if you are as safe as you appear to be?


The only reason the bus driver item isn't also going to go to me is because I don't want it, I wouldn't have enough night ability slots. Now based on what you said, one of your innate abilities is self-protection, but you other action slot is presumably taken up by an item or credits. The latter option is unrealistic so you must have an usable item. BUT you did state that a thief took your item last day phase, did you steal some item I wonder? You self-protection could be due to an item of course, but that leaves you with an innate ability that could be very dangerous... which is an even more dangerous possibility than the former.

If you really are a pro-town character, going around accusing people, actively trying to get others to reveal and soliciting information doesn't really help you. You need to GIVE before TAKING stuff. Can't you be upfront and detail what you can do, why it is EVIL and just how on Earth can we trust you with any information? There is very little distinction (on the surface) between a pro-town power role and an anti-town one, except for that the pro-town one actually wants the town to win and so would provide any information that he has...

PS: I also haven't forgotten the plan you suggested a few days ago, now that the opportunity has passed, can you elaborate on how you think a bus driver and you can give the town a victory?

PPS: I could be all wrong about this (comprehension of text-walls is not my strong suit), but I need some sort of conclusive answer from you after... what, 2 days of cryptic comments and demands?


Edit: Even MRD is giving details of his own actions! If a presumed scum can do it, so can Earthling!

To MRD, could you item be my super awesome but unfortunately stolen Tanooki suit that you got on N2? :book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

With this:

Maybe you'll understand.



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[thefluffyone93]

I had my bus driver item stolen.
And, if I remember correctly, didn't someone want another bus driver item to combine it?

[Believer]

The idea that both Renata and Earthling were silenced by two people with two Butt X-Rays that only have a 50% chance to hit is very much against the odds. Someone else has one, and since Arpegg was Chaotic, the other owner is probably Chaotic as well.


25% is "very much against the odds"?
I'd say it's fairly unlikely but vert far from impossible. You are grasping at straws, chaotic.

[Earthling]

Yes, the two slots would be self-protection and a scan if I was voted the scan item like I said. Without that and being low on credits I don't have a second thing to do. My plan yesterday was chiefly to become a reviver though getting yesterday's scan item could have been nice too. I would still have been hard to kill and then with bus driver or item support even more so, and a 40% reviver chance each night would have been great for the Innocents in general. But the sudden surprise declaration for no reason and that I couldn't anticipate that my teammate couldn't be revived and the loss of credits both from MRD's failed wagon and last night puts me well out of range of getting enough to purchase a revive that had to be scrapped.

I think you're misreading a lot of things is all, for instance I've hardly accused anyone and on nothing that's not public scummy behavior. Especially I don't want to go too far giving the scum public clues of who to kill and how, even though I've already soaked up two of their attacks. Except I do have one funny but completely honest thing to share. Ganondorf could have utterly destroyed me in one hit, kill through protection or whatever. I didn't know it was Ganondorf from the start, my role PM only hinted at some killer being out there, but then with the random luck of Ganondorf suddenly dying on a random attack it was clear it was supposed to be him.

edit - Arpegg was explicitly not chaotic, that's such a sad lie MRD. He was a serial killer, and without the host making it very clear there was some mistake and he should have also been called chaotic there's no reason to assume so. But then again you've known the whole time the whole deal about all the chaotics, no need to really address you anymore.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, after a nap, I've decided that the best way to handle the credit theft situation is as follows.


ANNOUNCEMENT


At some point I had stated that folks get their 10 income credits at dawn, for making it through another night phase.

However, all game long, whenever an opportunity appeared where someone could have had their credits stolen, those 10 income credits had been included, because although I intended that the last step in the night action process would be folks getting their income, I had been adding the income beforehand.

That was my mistake and it set a precedent (and therefore, to be fair, a by-rule game mechanic) that I had to follow. But, it has the potential to not only strip people of the ability to act at night, it also prevents them from voting, making them for most intents and purposes, dead. And, it severely retards their efforts to regain their credits because they go into the night with barely any to steal with.

Not only did it seem unfair on players, but it also contradicts how I said the game should work. Therefore, I've decided to address it and take care of it.

So, the following changes now take effect:

1. From now on, adding credits to your total will be the last thing I do, so everyone is guaranteed a minimum of 10 credits to start with, assuming they survive a night.
2. Everyone who has ended a night with less than 10 credits will have exactly the number of credits restored that puts them back at 10 for that night, but no more than that because even had I done things the proper way, any additional credits beyond that would have been stolen, if you'll remember.
3. Thieves who stole your credits will not be affected because it's not their mistake, it's mine. Some of those credits are already gone anyway. So, in effect, you have your cake and eat it too.

I trust this rule change, the reasons why it's warranted, and the solution I have come up with will be fair on all. If not, just remember, I am your lord and I can be unmerciful if I wanted to be. :stare:

[B-Wing]

What's the ticket price for this bandwagon? One credit? Then I'll hop aboard.
Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump

Why's everybody want schlin28 to get the ice cream truck? Do you already have a bus driver item? I remember Chaotix said he does, but I haven't kept up very well. In any event, I think the fewer people have these, the better.
Vote: Ice Cream Truck to Chaotix


I want mah item back.....
*sniffle*
Aww, there there Fluffy. I don't want two items with activated abilities, so you can have this one.
Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93

And now something for me. Cause you can never have too much retaliation.
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2

[Earthling]

Yeah, some crossposts, I can readily reveal I had King Arthur's Shield stolen from me on Night Two. I'd ask again for the thief to step forward but they won't. In fact I think the thief and the attack that night are probably not from the same source, one or the other was the chaotics, but if the chaotics planned to kill me (and they surely would have thought they would succeed) the steal attempt is also redundant.

And I do have to agree the number of claimed thief attempts people are making now doesn't add up. It's an expensive purchase and unless there are several innate thieves with high chances of success every night we can't explain away like 3-4 steals a night. But of course no one is willing to reveal an item that may somehow hint at their faction because all you people want to lie and play factional games rather than fight the chaotics, right?

That also reminds me, Bow-wow-wow, do you feel like sharing some of your scan results maybe, you've had that item for a while and the scum didn't attack you for it after all. You could do that in private too though, just would be nice to know.

[Major Robert Dump]

25% is "very much against the odds"?
I'd say it's fairly unlikely but vert far from impossible. You are grasping at straws, chaotic.

You'll be grasping at straws as well as when you are strung up in the following days along with all the other Earthlink fanbois who called my supporters Chaotic by affiliation.

Also, You people have no idea who bus driver works. Read the hosts description again after night 2. I should be the last person to be telling you lot to read the rules.

And Earthling claiming that he was about to revive someone with credits (until the voting last round and th ehost replacing players)is completely bogus unless he is stealing massive cash every round, which I doubt he was succesfully doing because giant demon winged things arent's as sneaky as me, Rudolph. Yet another "victim" card played by Earthlink.

[God Emperor]

@ DiY I would imagine that the protector Renata speaks of is protecting Shlin already. I would also second what Renata says, it would be good if there were some people willing to become doctors. (not that the latter is specificly directed at you DiY)

@ Earthling... you really leave me wondering.. As Jolt says, you clearly lie in your posts, but you deflect the accusation with 'you haven't followed the thread closely enough then'.. So I started from the 'lying post' and read all your posts forward , from that point.. and my conclusion was that you never addressed the subject again. . So could please show me (us) , what it is that we have missed; to me it really seems like you really are caught in lies within lies.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'll save my credits for Earthling tomorrow after we find MRD is evil and not chaotic.

CR

[Jolt]

I didn't lie about being silenced on Day Two and I'm still not lying. You should read the thread if you ignored several pages and need to catch up.

Actually it was on Night 2. And I don't see the point in faking being silenced. Did you innavertedly send a PM to someone you shouldn't have if you were silenced? 'Fun' excuse doesn't stick on me.



And as a matter of fact, my survival was equivalent to a self-defense action that any player anywhere could perform through purchase with credits, so you don't appear to understand how flavor in a write-up works.


See, now I know you are lying. Otherwise the write-up wouldn't be indicative of an item:


Nonchalantly, the man in black armor returned to guarding the bridge. A faint glow of a magical shield surrounded the man in black armor.


your attempts to downplay the writeups and discredit me are odd and scummy. Reconsider what you are saying if you meant to say something different.

....Nah, something's definitely up with you. You are constantly contradicting yourself. I am the one basing myself on the write-up (And not downplaying it.), with the kill mode from Jedi fellow. And now you fail to mention the item in the write-up and say it is equivalent of any action only based on credits done by any player (Item action is not the same thing as credit action).

If MRD is a townie then you must surely die.

[shlin28]

And I do have to agree the number of claimed thief attempts people are making now doesn't add up. It's an expensive purchase and unless there are several innate thieves with high chances of success every night we can't explain away like 3-4 steals a night. But of course no one is willing to reveal an item that may somehow hint at their faction because all you people want to lie and play factional games rather than fight the chaotics, right?

I would disagree. assuming innate abilities are distributed evenly, there would be 4.16 people in the game with free stealing skills. Combined with people paying to steal items... 2 or 3 thefts per night phase would not be unusual!

Also, how you went from no-one spoke up to no-one wants to fight chaotics is beyond me... If that is correct, since I claimed a theft had occurred before anyone else, it would mean that you should trust me implicitly! :laugh4:

[Earthling]

Yes, I stole a chunk of credits from Csargo a couple of nights ago, and already discussed this with trustworthy people in private. I've since had credits stolen from me and with extra defense purchased last night I'm rather low though. And yes, I was planning a revive attempt and the resurrection of classical_hero into a new role even with that known both screwed me over and was unexpected. As I said before I would like to hear from all of the resurrected dead players about their new roles and why they are so important just in general, it's not a pleasant situation.

Tell me what you thought I lied about, I lied about maybe one real thing in public that's already been addressed but I'll answer, otherwise you're the ones wasting time with vague assertions. Joke posts don't count, no one has time to address complete pointlessness, pointing to a post like fluffy posting images or me or anyone else doing the same is a waste of time.

[Major Robert Dump]

The whole reason Earthlink started attacking me early on was my ideas that the cards numbers may have reason by faction and that there were up to 8 people per faction. This means that he knew that was not true, and as it turns out he was right. Yet, he accused me of being Chaotic for suggesting these things, because he states I should have known better as an evil.

How would I know? And how would he know how many were in each faction? I had no idea who my faction mates or anyone else was. This means he knew who his were, thorugh wahetever means. And this entire time he has managed to destroy and break this towns bank all due to either petty faction concerns or being chaotic, or both.

[Earthling]

look, if you want me to address completely pointless and really foolish posts and point out why they are wrong I will. But you all need to say that and be willing to apologize/commit/whatever when you realize how wrong you are. Otherwise there's no need wasting time on people who don't bother or don't know how or at least are pretending because they are scummy not to read. There's no way I can argue with someone who refuses to listen to reason on something like reading a writeup, when their interpretation is not true and I know it's not, there was no item of my involved.

[Major Robert Dump]

I have a stealing bonus. It was integral to the game my character came from.

Furthermore, just because someone has been stolen from does not make them innocent in the least, and I doubt the item that was taken will prove innocent/chaotic or otherwise, especially if it was combined to make a new item. Thiefs do not know anything about their target offhand unless they have another item/skill they use the turn before.

[B-Wing]

I was roleblocked last night. I did not bother to use the Butt X-Ray because I needed to defend and I wanted to try to steal something from someone responsible for my demise. Both failed for unknown reasons, which means I was roleblocked.

Ha! I attempted to roleblock you last night, but failed. I was hoping it would turn out to be my undiscovered talent. But I'm glad someone succeeded.


To MRD, could you item be my super awesome but unfortunately stolen Tanooki suit that you got on N2? :book:

You had a Tanooki Suit!? I'm very jealous. That was one of my favorite Mario 3 power-ups. It was so rare, cool, and strange. Do you mind sharing what power it granted (in this game, I mean)? I'm guessing it would be an activated self-defense ability, since that's what it allows you to do in SMB3. Well, it lets you fly too, but so does the Power Leaf / Racoon Suit, and I don't see any action corresponding with flying in this game.

[Earthling]

So there's been this flurry of crossposts yet no one was interested to respond, I'm serious if you want me to address something, now is a fine time. I will go point by point and address whatever you want, even the really, really, really incompetent things and utter lies which almost everything is. But this is likely to cause others who could read things on their own to complain about spamming up the thread or whatever. So we need to have this signed onto by the people who think they don't understand something and the point needs addressing so others are not complaining it's my fault for spamming the thread, because my view is that nothing more needs to be said to a reasonable person who is paying attention, I'd only do this for the benefit of the lazy/scum-pretenders. Any complaints about spamming the thread or whatever would be the fault of the person who lied or didn't understand what they were reading.

[thefluffyone93]

Aww, there there Fluffy. I don't want two items with activated abilities, so you can have this one.
Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93

And now something for me. Cause you can never have too much retaliation.
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/happeh.png?t=1304272781

Vote: Extra-Thick Glasses to Thefluffyone93
Vote: Sword of Kahless to B_Ray2


I'll save my credits for Earthling tomorrow after we find MRD is evil and not chaotic.

CR

THIS.

[Chaotix]

Vote: ICE CREAM TRUCK to myself
Vote: SWORD OF KAHLESS to Beskar

All this talking about nothing in particular is confusing me.

Bet: 2 credits on Major Robert Dump for those shenanigans yesterday. Also, I want your Butt X-Ray.

[Chaotix]

Forgot this.

Vote: EXTRA-THICK GLASSES to Fluffy

[thefluffyone93]

Forgot this.

Vote: EXTRA-THICK GLASSES to Fluffy

:bow:

[Earthling]

Right, so people chickened out and didn't want to have their random false statements discussed. That's ok, saves me time, just wanted to make that clear. I will respond to a few individual points but don't ask me to go responding to nonsense again if you weren't willing this time.

shlin is plausibly asking reasonable questions honestly and not just antagonizing me because he's also a scum, so I'll answer him first. I did not mean to say that having an item stolen made someone Innocent (evil) for sure - I don't think I did say anything close to that but if someone read it that way then don't. What I DID say was that claiming your item(s) could be a very good clue to your faction identity and people are not doing that out of cowardice. And just like with night attacks I am suspicious many people are lying about the items they supposedly had or had stolen. I believed I've answered all that needs to be said about my item, I don't think a thief will come forward but it's the truth, and it's also why I said yesterday someone clearly would know my identity already as they stole King Arthur's Shield.

Jolt, go ahead and pester the host if you think it's necessary to specifically insert anywhere into writeups any explanation of something being an ability or item. Otherwise, a non-issue, you're just reading flavor text wrong and you should realize that. The fact is I'm right, me defending myself was the result of an ability not an item and that's the end of the matter, however your position that "I decided the writeup should be read this way so derka dur" is completely unfalsifiable if you just keep saying that in thread.

MRD - everybody should be ignoring your every post right now, I'll say that again, but one last time I'll respond to you out of fairness. Never once was I, Earthling, involved with your random claims about how you think your card number means you are something. I criticized you once, for posting a couple days back, that the cards were items you wanted to collect and make a poker hand, for being distracting and clearly wrong and not reading the game rules. I have never since commented on your random theories about how a card makes you something and it's a lie for you to claim I did say anything like that.

fluffy and CR - I think you should go further and publicly declare that if at any point I die and I'm just a regular evil mafia, the rest of the town should turn on you and kill you immediately. Your case against me being nothing other than "what MRD says" is really sad. If you think you have an actual case, come up with a verifiable in-game reason other than "what you thought someone said" and claim it, lynching based on the last guy's say-so is a universally horrible method of lynching. Especially as everyone knows the case on MRD is not because of me at all, it's because of him supporting the chaotic Seon and lying publicly about tons of stuff. Vote for me today instead of MRD if you think that is the wise choice and do it openly, don't hide and wait to switch your vote at the last second either. Otherwise everybody knows this is a really scummy tactic, suggesting that somebody has to die next in the next day's lynch for no reason except supposed revenge, and you know you're using this tactic too.


@ Earthling... you really leave me wondering.. As Jolt says, you clearly lie in your posts, but you deflect the accusation with 'you haven't followed the thread closely enough then'.. So I started from the 'lying post' and read all your posts forward , from that point.. and my conclusion was that you never addressed the subject again.

As I said before this is so completely pointless it's really not worth addressing but since someone other than Jolt is batting it around I'll add it in just because. I will take it to understand that you read Jolt's post and kinda just wanted to follow along with what Jolt said without really thinking about it so this isn't your fault. Anyway:

I claimed I was silenced on Day Two - I was, can't "prove prove" that but this was discussed extensively. Nothing Jolt nor anyone else said is a serious discussion of this, except MRD's general squealing around, but it looks like both me and Renata did end up silenced that day, probably another scum besides Arpegg.
Then, as for what Jolt just simply did not read right, there's no possible way I was "silenced" on Night Two, I was posting in the thread on Night Two. Anyone who thought they read something that way should realize immediately how pathetic that is.
On Day Three, I posted a picture of Ditto the pokemon as a joke and the "stop right there, criminal scum" videogame guy after all the talk of people trying to silence me and then a little later said "nah, I can talk today." That's the end of this story, you could call that little part a lie but it's so obviously a joke. Jolt clearly was not paying attention at all and while I don't expect an apology for this mess, it should be self-evident to anyone.

[Greyblades]

So, you're that Black Knight? You seem pretty powerful. The one who attacked you was most likely a Jedi Knight/Master, so for you to have a glow and knock out a Jedi Knight in one blow means you're something out of the ordinary. Or you have one of those uber defence skills.
I'm not the Black knight, but I wish I was, I've just got a bullet-proof ability that was activated by the attempt last night. I'm not fully sure it was a kill attempt though; my results just said someone tried to attack me so it could have been some sort of roleblock ability that includes knocking me out or something.

[thefluffyone93]

In order to lighten up the mood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAEmnNvabm0&feature=related

[Choxorn]

OMGz Rudolph in a Mafia Game is a liar!! The horror! The horror! I must not have paid attention in church! Imagine someone lying to strangers who all may secretly be the true enemy! I should have revealed before the game even started! Here's a hint: go read The Night Santa Went Crazy and you will see I am behaving perfectly normal: AS A LIAR AND A THIEF

I got into no fights. Either no one attacked me because they thought everyone else would, or people defended me. I self defended last night and tried to steal from Zack because he had uber retatliation items. I knew he did because he got a ret item last turn after requesting, which meant he probably already had one and wanted to combine them.

I am done defending myself. I have revealed. I will not tell you people every last bit of truth about me -- like my items and my personal goals -- because I do have some shred of dignity left. Now I just act bizarre and spam the thread. This is where the town loses the game, as all who led the charge against me turn on each other. Gratz!

MRD, you have not eaten my shorts yet. Please commence with the eating.

[Romanic]

The tally is MRD 125, everyone else zero.

I suggest that we don't raise another bandwagon today, as it is clear this situation will repeat itself every day until the Major is lynched. Town would be losing a lot of credits if players who think MRD is innocent, always push a lot of credits on an alternative.

Bet 5 credits on Major Robert Dump

[Earthling]

I agree completely, that sounds right. As he has more than proven his ability and intent to get around right before the closing bell, him and a couple of others he could scrounge up could work a 120 credit swing with the 40 credit maximum today, a fourth person makes that 160, so I think we want to be safely over 160 credits just in case. That would definitely mean no intermediate wagons on top of which those last minutes credits could ride. Overall this is just 5-6 credits per person though so if everybody is in for a fair stake nobody individually loses too much - but then again I don't think we lose anything at all, in fact some people betting more might hope to make larger gains on him coming up chaotic though not quite sure how that works and not asking anyone to go overboard.

[dcmort93]

Unless someone comes up with a really compelling reason for me to change my mind I'll Bet 5 credits on MRD

[Kagemusha]

As quite few people seem to have beef with MRD it would seem he is the lynch of today. It will be quite interesting to see what his autopsy will tell us and about the people who want him dead.

[Romanic]

I agree completely, that sounds right. As he has more than proven his ability and intent to get around right before the closing bell, him and a couple of others he could scrounge up could work a 120 credit swing with the 40 credit maximum today, a fourth person makes that 160, so I think we want to be safely over 160 credits just in case. That would definitely mean no intermediate wagons on top of which those last minutes credits could ride. Overall this is just 5-6 credits per person though so if everybody is in for a fair stake nobody individually loses too much - but then again I don't think we lose anything at all, in fact some people betting more might hope to make larger gains on him coming up chaotic though not quite sure how that works and not asking anyone to go overboard.

You don't win money for lynching a chaotic, you simply get your wager back. So betting 5 or 40 will both return your credits for a net benefit of zero.

[Earthling]

That would be my first impression but an awful lot of people have continued to assume otherwise through the present day, and the rules are vague enough as we never had an official clarification that they could have some reason for doing so. Though I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to risk anything needlessly just for the sake of that.

[Romanic]

That rule is clear:


No matter how much they bet, they can only get their wagers returned to them if the candidate they wagered on is both guilty AND successfully lynched that day.

Wager is "returned", there's no mention of winning credits for lynching a guilty player. Also, it worked the same way in the first ATPG Mafia game.

Although I think it could be interesting to give extra credits to those who lynch a guilty player, an idea for ATPG Mafia 3, perhaps.

[B-Wing]

As quite few people seem to have beef with MRD it would seem he is the lynch of today. It will be quite interesting to see what his autopsy will tell us and about the people who want him dead.

You think it might prove half the players are actually chaotic?

[Earthling]

Given how much stuff has happened that's vague or not mentioned in the rules it's probably the case but no guarantee, there's no explicit statement that additional credits can't be won. Lots of people continue(d) to assume it's the case too. Of course I would agree it can't hurt if everyone is clear on it and it was misunderstood but until we catch a chaotic in a lynch or hear from the host it doesn't seem a 100% thing. Though it's also possible that most everyone did realize it would work one way and only folks like Blackadder and Crazed Rabbit (see end of day three around post 700) purposefully said otherwise because they were scum and trying to create distracting excuses for bandwagonning.

edit - that is something I would love to hear though. Obviously Kage has it backwards, but we really should hear - why did everyone who voted to keep MRD alive, want him alive. It's clear Skooma and possibly Blackadder did it out of faction loyalty, but they didn't fess up to it, and the rest have continued to ignore this again and again. Even if he comes up neutral or not chaotic in some matter those who supported him yesterday don't get to pretend they were right all along when they haven't given a reason, or if he does come up chaotic we need to have them on the record rather than slinking away into the shadows.

[Kagemusha]

You think it might prove half the players are actually chaotic?

No just bit and pieces of information.Nothing more, nothing less.

[Major Robert Dump]

Of course they read my posts. I am like a train wreck full of topless women.

@ Earthling's text wall: So I am guilty because of my support for Seon in the 1st round and by voting 10 creds on my own faction member for whom I mistakenly thought I would get a profit from? Black was already dead, I'll say it for the 100th time, and by voting him and him being nuetral I got my bet back. Making a case from a day 1 vote is absurd. As for my shenanigans, last I checked this town was full of characyers that are liars and murderers, pardon me for fitting in. Think I am faking on my claim, then why did the host include "stomping hooves" in the freaking lynch write up pertaining to me? I also find it pretty keen that you are now including "neutrals" in the list of town enemies.

@ Choxorm: I will eat your shorts as soon as you write that essay on why you want to feast on my Venison Sausage so badly.

@everyone: if the person is guilty and chaotic, you get your money back plus a bet return. If the person is nuetral you get your money back and break even, as I did in round 1 when I got 10 credits returned to me from a neutral kill. Keep dropping those large bets early, and when you finally lynch the right person on day 254, you all will win a whopping 2 credits. Good job. Oos, better not be sarcastic like I was with YLCs lynch or someone may think I am anti-town!

I'm beginning to think Earthling is less and less chaotic and just a really bad liar like me.

[Major Robert Dump]

A final hypothesis:

If you read nothing else I post ever, please read this:

Each faction, there are 8 so far, has a nuetral and/or a chaotic member. Someone somewhere claimed a faction several pages back after a lynch or night, and I still do not know if they were serious and the name escapes me. So possibly 9?

Anyway, I highly doubt each faction has a nuetral AND chaotic. It has to be either-or, otherwise, there would be a lot of Chaotics (at least 8) and a lot of neutrals, which would be more than 25%of the population and the game would be unbalanced. Also, if there were both per faction, then statistically speaking we would have seen far more of either thus far, especially in the factions that have lost three members.

This accounts for 32 (4x8) or 40 players(8x5). Are there more than 8 factions, or there are more than 4 players per faction? Is it 8x6 plus 2 non factioned, 9x5 plus 5 non factioned, or 10x5? I find 10x5 the most likley. The following theory changes slightly based on your opinion of the numbers, but one overriding point remains: 1 per faction.. That would give us, for example, 40 evil with 10 nuetral/chaotic.

With all this being said, I make one last case to be spared. The factions in which a Chaotic or Nuetral member have already been killed have no more such members. While it may be convenient for my case since I lost a nuetral ally already, I mention this more as food for thought after my death when you realize your mistake:

-- The Evil Mafia has already lost 3 people, none of them nuetral or chaotic. Shlin is almost certainly a member of the evil mafia because I stole the Tanooki suit from him turn 2. He admits it and so do I. It looks like a little gay sweater. The Evil mafia has a super mario theme, and the sweater is a super mario item. The only other possibility is that the Shlin stole an item during night 1 and it combined with the bullet proof item he won on Day 2 to make a new product. If he is Evil Mafia, This means Shlin is either certainly nuetral or chaotic (4 members) or there is a 50% chance that he is (5 members).

-- The Python Mafia has lost 2 players, therefore if Earthlink is who he says he is, then there is either a 50% chance he is nuetral or Chaotic (4 members) or a 33% chance (5 members)

-- The Springfield Mafia has had one dead Chaotic out of 3 dead members, which means the remaining player is certainly pro-town (4 members) or each remaining players is 50% chance nuetral or chaotic (5 members)

-- the Bizarro Faction has lost 2 players, with one dead being Nuetral. This means that the remaining 2 or 3 are not Chaotic or nuetral, they are evil.

The other factions currently each have a Chaotic or Nuetral left in their ranks. Of the 35 players remaining, there are at least 5 Chaotic/Nuetral, with the remainder depending on whether there are more than 8 factions or more than 4 players per faction.

This is the part where faction members need to stop protecting their known fellows and instead start detective scans or the process of elimination. Throwing your chaotic faction member to the wolves will be a tough choice and to do so publicly will certainly make you a target of the other clans. On the other hand, the clans that are still strong will almost certainly attempt to take advantage of the situation and protect their chaotic member in hopes of eeking out a clan victory as well. This is what will kill the town, and I have no doubt that several factions have members who are all communicating, due to whatever method they used to discover one another. I, on the other hand, have no idea who my 4th and 5th members are, but I have a very good idea.

I find it highly unlikely that no one up to this point has scanned me, as I have been a loudmouth from day 1 and even survived a lynch that followed a 2 nights and 1 days of harsh accusations against me. I am Bizarro, and someone does not want you guys to know because being Bizarro proves my innocence.

Use your heads, people. This is so obvious it is painful.

[Jolt]

Actually this theory does make a lot of sense. I would abstain, but as you pointed out yourself, I'd lose one credit eitherway. If your bandwagon loses gas, then I'll probably shift my credit elsewhere.

[Believer]

Assuming that game is perfectly balanced with 1 chaotic or neutral in each team is so naive I can't even fathom how you came to that conclusion.

Not only is it way too simple for a mafia game of this planning and scale but also our host is the beloved ATPG. The Master of Deviousness and Deception (also known as Dr. MDD) will never make it so simple as that. What does ATPG love? ATPG loves to play the game, he loves to hold the sieve and shake out the enemies regardless of game setup. I will be very surprised if your theory holds water. Right now it just looks like you're ditching out one last attempt at saving yourself, badly masking it as a helpful act.

I'm not buying it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I suggest no one else bets on MRD to conserve credits. The last thing the mafia needs right now is a betting frenzy of a single dude getting 120+ credits and him turning out to be evil.

From what I have read in these past couple pages this seems to be how things are playing out:
1. Kill MRD. If he is innocent goto 2.
2. Kill Earthling. If he is innocent goto3.
3. Kill CR and Fluffy. If they are innocent goto 4.
4. Chaotics win.

I have a strong feeling both MRD and Earthling are innocent in this and we are getting screwed over here but I can't say that for sure because I am not even sure if MRD is innocent. But I don't want this viewpoint to go unheard before the lynch.

[Jolt]

Assuming that game is perfectly balanced with 1 chaotic or neutral in each team is so naive I can't even fathom how you came to that conclusion.

Not only is it way too simple for a mafia game of this planning and scale but also our host is the beloved ATPG. The Master of Deviousness and Deception (also known as Dr. MDD) will never make it so simple as that. What does ATPG love? ATPG loves to play the game, he loves to hold the sieve and shake out the enemies regardless of game setup. I will be very surprised if your theory holds water. Right now it just looks like you're ditching out one last attempt at saving yourself, badly masking it as a helpful act.

I'm not buying it.

In large games everything is usually balanced. Even in ATPG's Resident Evil game, every team/faction was perfectly balanced with its opposites. And putting 1 non-town in each faction is the best way to balance a game for every faction.

[Zack]

Oh, come on! You honestly think Pizza would make it so easy, that once you find one chaotic/third-party in a faction, everyone else in that faction is evil?


What a silly, silly "theory". Screams of a desperate attempt to weasel out of the lynch, and not as an actual plausible theory.

[God Emperor]

.. That hurts my brain..

you are correct that you are working with a hypothesis, so please keep that in mind.. a hypothesis is an educated guess, in other words; it is not proved. Therefore it is complete none sense to claim that Bizaro proves your innocence.. You are misleading to save your hide, that's what you are doing.

[shlin28]

I guess I'll reveal Faction No. 9 then... They are my rivals, hence my reluctance to actually reveal my faction (Though I did say that I am a member of an 'endangered' faction)

Evil - 3 deaths
Springfield - 3 deaths, 1 is cover for SK
Bizzaro - 2 deaths, 1 is neutral
Dark Falls - 2 deaths, 1 is chaotic
Python - 2 deaths
South Park - 1 death
Psychotic - 1 death
Space - 1 death
Cosa Nostra - NO DEATHS so far!

It's an interesting theory from MRD, but as said by Believer, it is a bit simplistic. A random selection of cover roles and different numbers for different factions would make the game much more chaotic and suits ATPG's style more. Furthermore, I highly doubt the existence of un-factioned people, so each faction must have different number of people!

Unless there is a 10th faction, in which case I offer my neck to the town if they wish to kill me to test MRD's reasonable (but false) theory. :embarassed:

Edit: Also, why on earth would you try to steal my item? Did I act that suspiciously on D2? Surely you would go for someone who appears scummy to you...

[Believer]

I just remembered.

Unless she told someone that she would be unable to post this day, I believe Renata has been silenced once again. It would make sense since she hasn't weighed in at all.

[Earthling]

No, Renata has responded to a private message of mine and we talked about whether Greyblades was attacked or not, and she indicated she'd been in contact with Greyblades obviously too. The silencing before also banned private messaging so I doubt that's the case.


I suggest no one else bets on MRD to conserve credits. The last thing the mafia needs right now is a betting frenzy of a single dude getting 120+ credits and him turning out to be evil.


The worst thing that happens is that MRD isn't lynched today and we lose credits. If everyone bet about 6 credits and even if we lost nearly 200, that's less than the 10 credit income everyone made anyway, and less by half than we lost yesterday. If there's one thing I agree with in that wasted post of MRD's though it is that people need to suck it up and bet against their chaotic faction members when it becomes necessary. That's why I'd like to see both Skooma and Blackadder (who as a replacement could be on any faction but I'd love to hear more about Seinfeld regardless) making large bets against MRD today. For instance, I don't trust Subotan's 40 credit vote at all - after max voting and losing a couple days and who knows what at night, he might not even have 40 credits available to bet. And that's assuming he doesn't intend to both fold and change to a different bandwagon at the deadline, making an 80 vote swing. We need to have a stable tally that can't be thrown off at the last minute today, it sucks but it's how it has to be.

Also, ACIN, there's no need for a step 3 in your sequence, step 2 would lead to step 4. But I don't think we'll go past step 1 anyway. And what happened to all your promised new info/analysis from the other night?

Finally one thing I'd like to point out - there seems like a very strong possibility factions have different numbers of people. It hardly adds up otherwise, just maybe a 10x5 theory would work but nothing else does. And then you have to look at characters - it'd be nigh impossible for the Python mafia to have more than 5 characters and I'm still thinking it may just be one of the Knights who say Ni out there. This Cosa Nostra mafia presumably must be those Valerio guys? - don't see anyone else on the list of linked games that would be, but that's only three characters and maybe some oddball fourth one. Meanwhile some factions like the Simpsons or Space guys have tons more available characters at least, the assymetry is rather likely.

[Choxorn]

A final hypothesis:

If you read nothing else I post ever, please read this:

Each faction, there are 8 so far, has a nuetral and/or a chaotic member. Someone somewhere claimed a faction several pages back after a lynch or night, and I still do not know if they were serious and the name escapes me. So possibly 9?

Anyway, I highly doubt each faction has a nuetral AND chaotic. It has to be either-or, otherwise, there would be a lot of Chaotics (at least 8) and a lot of neutrals, which would be more than 25%of the population and the game would be unbalanced. Also, if there were both per faction, then statistically speaking we would have seen far more of either thus far, especially in the factions that have lost three members.

This accounts for 32 (4x8) or 40 players(8x5). Are there more than 8 factions, or there are more than 4 players per faction? Is it 8x6 plus 2 non factioned, 9x5 plus 5 non factioned, or 10x5? I find 10x5 the most likley. The following theory changes slightly based on your opinion of the numbers, but one overriding point remains: 1 per faction.. That would give us, for example, 40 evil with 10 nuetral/chaotic.

With all this being said, I make one last case to be spared. The factions in which a Chaotic or Nuetral member have already been killed have no more such members. While it may be convenient for my case since I lost a nuetral ally already, I mention this more as food for thought after my death when you realize your mistake:

-- The Evil Mafia has already lost 3 people, none of them nuetral or chaotic. Shlin is almost certainly a member of the evil mafia because I stole the Tanooki suit from him turn 2. He admits it and so do I. It looks like a little gay sweater. The Evil mafia has a super mario theme, and the sweater is a super mario item. The only other possibility is that the Shlin stole an item during night 1 and it combined with the bullet proof item he won on Day 2 to make a new product. If he is Evil Mafia, This means Shlin is either certainly nuetral or chaotic (4 members) or there is a 50% chance that he is (5 members).

-- The Python Mafia has lost 2 players, therefore if Earthlink is who he says he is, then there is either a 50% chance he is nuetral or Chaotic (4 members) or a 33% chance (5 members)

-- The Springfield Mafia has had one dead Chaotic out of 3 dead members, which means the remaining player is certainly pro-town (4 members) or each remaining players is 50% chance nuetral or chaotic (5 members)

-- the Bizarro Faction has lost 2 players, with one dead being Nuetral. This means that the remaining 2 or 3 are not Chaotic or nuetral, they are evil.

The other factions currently each have a Chaotic or Nuetral left in their ranks. Of the 35 players remaining, there are at least 5 Chaotic/Nuetral, with the remainder depending on whether there are more than 8 factions or more than 4 players per faction.

This is the part where faction members need to stop protecting their known fellows and instead start detective scans or the process of elimination. Throwing your chaotic faction member to the wolves will be a tough choice and to do so publicly will certainly make you a target of the other clans. On the other hand, the clans that are still strong will almost certainly attempt to take advantage of the situation and protect their chaotic member in hopes of eeking out a clan victory as well. This is what will kill the town, and I have no doubt that several factions have members who are all communicating, due to whatever method they used to discover one another. I, on the other hand, have no idea who my 4th and 5th members are, but I have a very good idea.

I find it highly unlikely that no one up to this point has scanned me, as I have been a loudmouth from day 1 and even survived a lynch that followed a 2 nights and 1 days of harsh accusations against me. I am Bizarro, and someone does not want you guys to know because being Bizarro proves my innocence.

Use your heads, people. This is so obvious it is painful.

Cool Story, Bro.

[Earthling]

unvote, vote: SWORD OF KAHLESS to shlin . It really seems like you need it and especially with that info shared, plus it's far, far better than this fluffy/B_ray nonsense which is shady intrafactional dealing at best and pure scummy at worst. Also given that MRD was the one who stole from you that definitely doesn't look too scummy on your part. I would certainly like additional defense or retaliation but in the interest of helping another townie can do without it another night, especially as we'll have MRD's hoard of items to deal with tomorrow and whatever else to vote out. I'm still game for the scanner as I have a night action slot free but I believe I already said what I'd promise to try with that.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The worst thing that happens is that MRD isn't lynched today and we lose credits. If everyone bet about 6 credits and even if we lost nearly 200, that's less than the 10 credit income everyone made anyway, and less by half than we lost yesterday. If there's one thing I agree with in that wasted post of MRD's though it is that people need to suck it up and bet against their chaotic faction members when it becomes necessary. That's why I'd like to see both Skooma and Blackadder (who as a replacement could be on any faction but I'd love to hear more about Seinfeld regardless) making large bets against MRD today. For instance, I don't trust Subotan's 40 credit vote at all - after max voting and losing a couple days and who knows what at night, he might not even have 40 credits available to bet. And that's assuming he doesn't intend to both fold and change to a different bandwagon at the deadline, making an 80 vote swing. We need to have a stable tally that can't be thrown off at the last minute today, it sucks but it's how it has to be.

Also, ACIN, there's no need for a step 3 in your sequence, step 2 would lead to step 4. But I don't think we'll go past step 1 anyway. And what happened to all your promised new info/analysis from the other night?
My analysis went out the window when both Zack and Choxorn died.

I thought it was looking like a clear scapegoat on MRD by the chaotics. Or I thought that the chaotics were spread out on both sides and were just promoting a bandwagon on MRD that would lead to backlash against you, Earthling.

I still hold that in this, both MRD and Earthling are probably both innocent than one or the other being chaotic. Don't hold me to that though, because with Zack and Choxorn died I have no idea if this was a desperate measure to try and thin the anti-MRD numbers.

But I mean, I'm sitting here thinking about it and it doesn't make sense. MRD has gone out of his way to attract attention, he has made blatant moves to protect himself and has admitted that he has lied. If MRD is chaotic then he is a very poor player. Consider this, one chaotic is dead and if MRD is chaotic, then that is two dead and there would still still be like ~65% of the total players left. It wouldn't look good for the chaotics.

If anyone is willing to think outside the box once MRD is dead, you are welcome to join me.

Now I don't want to accuse anyone here, but in the interest of having a backup plan in case MRD is evil, lets look at last lynch and try to see it if you were a chaotic. If MRD is evil, than he has been scapegoated. Now chaotics want to make sure the mafia spend lots of money on this scapegoat, but they don't want to spend lots of money themselves because that is counter productive. So a good option might be to place small bets but voice a strong opinion against MRD to keep a bandwagon effect going.

Those that bet on MRD but bet very small amounts were Visorslash with 1 cred, Link with 2 cred, Jolt with 1 cred and B-Ray with 1 cred. I guess you could also lump in Renata with 5 cred but she has already made public her sentiment about betting large amounts.

Now this is just me thinking out my *** here, and don't take it seriously unless MRD is innocent. Otherwise, I am an idiot who has been fooled by MRD. If MRD turns out be chaotic, you got my trust and my vote Earthling.
EDIT: Err, I meant you got my vote on who you want people to vote on, I'm not going to actually vote for you.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Let's be clear why I am supporting MRD;

He's funny. I find it humorous to read his posts.

Also, he seemed to be actually trying to figure out who the chaotics are.

When he sent me a PM asking for help to not get lynched, I obliged.


fluffy and CR - I think you should go further and publicly declare that if at any point I die and I'm just a regular evil mafia, the rest of the town should turn on you and kill you immediately. Your case against me being nothing other than "what MRD says" is really sad. If you think you have an actual case, come up with a verifiable in-game reason other than "what you thought someone said" and claim it, lynching based on the last guy's say-so is a universally horrible method of lynching. Especially as everyone knows the case on MRD is not because of me at all, it's because of him supporting the chaotic Seon and lying publicly about tons of stuff. Vote for me today instead of MRD if you think that is the wise choice and do it openly, don't hide and wait to switch your vote at the last second either. Otherwise everybody knows this is a really scummy tactic, suggesting that somebody has to die next in the next day's lynch for no reason except supposed revenge, and you know you're using this tactic too.


Bah. You first. My case against you has nothing to do with what MRD says. It's you disgorging walls of text and trying to lynch active pro-town players.

I'm not voting anyone today because voting for anyone but MRD means your target won't get lynched and voting for MRD means you lose money anyway.

You having to die tomorrow has nothing to do with revenge and everything to do with crime and punishment. You pushed the lynch on MRD with false reasoning. When that reasoning is exposed as false, you should be lynched. The mafia hides behind false reasoning to get townies lynched.

CR

[Earthling]

Oh I agree with you on one point: what MRD is says very little about me if he's not chaotic. I've already pointed out this to those who were speaking vague nonsense and they actually ran away ignoring it and declined to comment on my post. And I certainly have already thought about what to look at if MRD comes up non-chaotic (a crazy neutral thief or whatever means it's not a failed lynch but it means we haven't caught a chaotic). I'd be looking very strongly at those who are trying to turn the "hypothetical future lynch" against me. This would be Jolt, Crazed Rabbit, and fluffy from the Day Three bandwagon and today we'll see. Why? It's really obvious, the chaotics really want me dead and in all the random lies people have been posting nobody has provided even a whiff of anything to the contrary.

In fact I was astonished that before I posted today nobody had figured out so obviously that I was the Black Knight. The fact of the matter is that the chaotics are really scared silly of an Innocent they've twice failed to nightkill. But some of them are doing an awful good job sandbagging for dumb evil factional conflicts on top of probably those actual evil folks who don't read the thread or throw out strawmen willy nilly.

Last thing though is that I wouldn't call it poor play from MRD necessarily if he is chaotic though, extremely annoying posting, but not poor play itself. He was screwed when Seon died, due to their blatant voting association. It's actually horrible play by the town or good play by him that he lived this long since he should have been lynched even if he is Innocent - it's not like our previous wagons were better options, the Seon connection has been so obviously there, and for instance had I not been silenced and was able to talk on Day 2, I would have called for his lynch then, the fact that people tried to lynch Renata for the reason that MRD should have been lynched is still scummy.

edit - no, Rabbit, you don't get to lie like that. Explain now why you think my reasoning is false. MRD did vote to save Seon, encouraged every bandwagon against non-chaotics so far, and lied about what he did at night tons of times with his final conclusion being that he stole stuff from other townies. Tell what part of that is false reasoning on my part.

[robbiecon]

Well, seeing as I was one of the main people who made a case against MRD yesterday, I think it only right that I stick to my guns. Although my opinion hasn't changed all that much in the past 48 hours or so.

Bet: 5 credits on Major Robert Dump, conservative enough amount, I know, but there's plenty on the money train (ie bandwagon) already.




Aside: I begin my college exams in two days time, they last for almost 3 weeks (and there's 10 of them). While I will still be here, you must accept that there will inevitably be days when I have to put Electronics and the like (massive groan) before this and just about any other game I might be in. I will do my best to be present, but I will admit that I may not always be up to date with what exactly is going on, perhaps not necessarily in this game, but quite possibly in a variety of other ones. Also note that I do not wish to be replaced, at this time anyway in any game.

[Zack]

Let's be clear why I am supporting MRD;

He's funny. I find it humorous to read his posts.

Also, he seemed to be actually trying to figure out who the chaotics are.

When he sent me a PM asking for help to not get lynched, I obliged.



Bah. You first. My case against you has nothing to do with what MRD says. It's you disgorging walls of text and trying to lynch active pro-town players.

I'm not voting anyone today because voting for anyone but MRD means your target won't get lynched and voting for MRD means you lose money anyway.

You having to die tomorrow has nothing to do with revenge and everything to do with crime and punishment. You pushed the lynch on MRD with false reasoning. When that reasoning is exposed as false, you should be lynched. The mafia hides behind false reasoning to get townies lynched.

CR

So, to make this clear, you don't think there is a single person worthy of wagering 1 credit (that you will lose regardless of whether or not you vote) on?

[Jolt]

I'd be looking very strongly at those who are trying to turn the "hypothetical future lynch" against me. This would be Jolt, Crazed Rabbit, and fluffy from the Day Three bandwagon and today we'll see. Why? It's really obvious, the chaotics really want me dead and in all the random lies people have been posting nobody has provided even a whiff of anything to the contrary.

Yes, yes. It is a very devious and cunning scheme we three chaotics have set up where we three publicly announce that we want to lynch you, and after you are dead, it remains another few 20 or so townies we'd need to kill. Top-notch reasoning.And the fact that you already defending his lynching even if he's innocent clearly shows to me that you are scum. One thing you can absolutely certainly expect from me is being voted by me if MRD isn't Mafia, no matter how hard you look.

EDIT: If there are more than 8 mafia (And so far, Shlin has been credible enough for me to believe him), then MRD's whole theory becomes rather moot.

[Earthling]

Well yes, I'm going to expect the chaotics to keep trying to lynch me, because they don't know the secret of how to kill me at night, since they don't have the six Elements of Harmony.

Like I said, don't be a hypocrit and a liar. Vote now for who you think is scum and don't blame someone else if a lynch finds something unexpected and you voted for the same lynch for the same reasons. I'm not claiming you should vote for MRD for any other reason than what is public and it certainly is not my fault MRD was acting scummy before I had anything to do with him. If you agree MRD is likely scum due to his previous bandwagons, votes, and statements, vote for him, if not, vote for someone else.

[Jolt]

Well yes, I'm going to expect the chaotics to keep trying to lynch me, because they don't know the secret of how to kill me at night, since they don't have the six Elements of Harmony.

Like I said, don't be a hypocrit and a liar. Vote now for who you think is scum and don't blame someone else if a lynch finds something unexpected and you voted for the same lynch for the same reasons. I'm not claiming you should vote for MRD for any other reason than what is public and it certainly is not my fault MRD was acting scummy before I had anything to do with him. If you agree MRD is likely scum due to his previous bandwagons, votes, and statements, vote for him, if not, vote for someone else.

No doubt that he was acting scummy, which is why I won't say for certain that he isn't Mafia. Your whole theory of MRD helping Seon escape lynching on purpose, and lynching townies on purpose, you clearly state that he cannot be anything other than Mafia, for such blatant connections you are making. Even being a neutral, MRD would still have to know who was Mafia or not (Which to find, contact, and purposely save a Mafioso on Day 1 would be extremely impressive - and practically impossible. If MRD's that skilled at finding Mafioso out of nothing and turning them to town, then we'd probably be ending this game around these next phases.) and then systematically help them since the very beginning. Nothing else but being a blatant mafioso means you are correct. So even if he's a Neutral, it's extremely doubtful he was purposedly helping the Mafia. If he's a normal townie, then you have clearly lost any and all credibility with the town. Coupled with the constant contradictions and the lying (Making you no better than MRD you're trying to lynch), means you're very well placed to be a Mafioso. Thus: Lynch.

[Earthling]

Everybody can read this, but I want them to know it's Jolt fault for continued spam or whatever negative view of the thread they have. He keeps on making baseless accusations without providing evidence.

So Jolt, stop lying about me. Tell me what you think I lied about and quote it. You ignored me before, because you want to keep calling me a liar and making people think there's some controversy and the town shouldn't like me. But you have no evidence and are simply making it up. I didn't lie about anything that matters at this point, and at most I lied about maybe two things, one of which was trivial, the other already extensively addressed.

[Beskar]

Bet 1: Beskar because he is awesome
but fold; bet 1: Crazed Rabbit because he is cool.

[Earthling]

Well, Jolt declined to respond again and was just here, so this is a notice for everyone: I'm not going to address any nonsense on the level of Jolt's comments again. He may not be scum and just be really off about everything, but it's a waste of every single person's time. So go ahead and post pointless stuff like that in the thread if you must but I will ignore and others probably should too, wastes everyone's time and gives the scum a shot to get people riled up.

If you actually have a reason to say something, then go ahead and actually say it, rather than lie. Character assassination without a reason is scummy, just saying "so-so isn't a good guy and I vaguely think he lied about something" over and over again doesn't make it true. Give us your counterclaim, whether you're claiming I'm not the Black Knight, didn't have the item I said I have, wasn't attacked in the writeups, or whatever, and give us your evidence. Saying "oh, something about Earthling isn't true" and not saying what nor providing evidence is pointless. And for the record, just so you know I'm not overlooking and it often comes up in these games, one other reason you could accuse someone of lying is if they claimed they did something or something happened and didn't, like "I watched Bob with my telescope and Bob killed someone." This clearly is completely unrelated here. Did I claim I performed any successful action on MRD? No. MRD completely made up his random joke that I was the person with a silencer item but I never said anything of the sort and it's clearly not true, nor has he ever even been silenced despite how many of us probably would have enjoyed that outcome. Otherwise, everything I've said about him including critical stuff is because of his actions, statements, and votes in the thread, not some private action being hidden from the public view.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, to make this clear, you don't think there is a single person worthy of wagering 1 credit (that you will lose regardless of whether or not you vote) on?

Not really, since I'll lose it anyway.

Earthling - you state MRD has to be mafia because he saved seon and the only reason he could have had is that MRD was also mafia. Faulty logic.

Also, he spoke up when the bandwagon was going on somebody else - not something mafia typically does.


Well, Jolt declined to respond again and was just here, so this is a notice for everyone: I'm not going to address any nonsense on the level of Jolt's comments again. He may not be scum and just be really off about everything, but it's a waste of every single person's time. So go ahead and post pointless stuff like that in the thread if you must but I will ignore and others probably should too, wastes everyone's time and gives the scum a shot to get people riled up.


LOL! Ie. Earthling means "You make a bunch of good points about how I'm likely scum, so I won't even address them"

Now, if you'll excuse me I need to get back to making a noose for tomorrow.


Crazed Rabbit because he is cool.

Indeed I am.

:cool:

CR

[ByzantineKnight]

Bet 1: Beskar because he is awesome
but fold; bet 1: Crazed Rabbit because he is cool.

Fold isn't bolded, you're still voting yourself ^_^

[B-Wing]

Earthling, I sincerely appreciate the fact that you're playing the heck out of this game, but you really don't have to respond to every single post someone makes that mentions you. It's practically impossible to keep up with everything you've said because you say... so... much... And I don't know Fluffyone's faction yet; we're just backscratching.

I'm very curious to know if there's going to be some big twist that none of us were expecting in this game. I've only read the commentaries on two of ATPG's previous Mafia games and both of them contained significant behind-the-scenes elements that no one was aware of when the game started. It seems like this game is chaotic enough (pun unintended, but I LOL'd myself) without any extra surprises, but I'm halfway expecting one anyway.

[Greyblades]

bet 10 on MRD.

[thefluffyone93]

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/troll.png?t=1304301951

[dcmort93]

nvm

[thefluffyone93]

NEIN!!!
I LIKE MEMES!!

[Jolt]

Everybody can read this, but I want them to know it's Jolt fault for continued spam or whatever negative view of the thread they have. He keeps on making baseless accusations without providing evidence.

So Jolt, stop lying about me. Tell me what you think I lied about and quote it. You ignored me before, because you want to keep calling me a liar and making people think there's some controversy and the town shouldn't like me. But you have no evidence and are simply making it up. I didn't lie about anything that matters at this point, and at most I lied about maybe two things, one of which was trivial, the other already extensively addressed.

I ignored you when? If you meant that post where you said you were right (Actually one of many where you said that; for a Mafia game, you do say you're right a lot, which is yet another thing that smells fishy about you.), I simply laughed because you had already said that you had defended with an ability when the write-up color clearly shows it was due to an item. It doesn't matter if you say if it was an ability, if it was Santa Claus or Osiris. The color is there, in the same color of that of the items and it was not put there at chance. It also makes reference to some sort of item. The truth of the matter is there, and only those who refuse to see it, do not. I had already said this, so I wasn't going to repeat myself (Yet just did). Since facts contradict your version, that is your hard, undenying proof that you are lying. And yes, it doesn't matter if you say it isn't this way (You already did btw).


Well, Jolt declined to respond again and was just here
Just for the record: Now I can't leave my computer and must check on the thread every 1/2 minutes? Heh.

Regardless, it will all boil down to whether MRD is Mafia, in which case you would have been right all along. If he isn't, then your whole elaborate theory of extensive cooperation with saving mafiosi and lynching non-townies will crumble to dust.
In regards to the silencer story, if the Mafia/MRD had the silencer and wished to incriminate you, all they needed to do was silence MRD/prevent him from talking publicly to non-mafiosi. Obviously if you do have the silencer, you would never silence MRD.

[Earthling]

Actually, I thought you'd dropped that claim because it's so incredibly wrong and embarassing for you. However, if you want to insist, the point stands - I didn't lie and already told the truth. An item was not used in protecting myself from that night attack nor the one before it, it was a combination of purchased self-defense and innate item-less ability.

You apparently don't know how to read a write-up and don't understand flavor. Now it seems you're only claiming this because of how you thought you read the write-up, not claiming you actually had other evidence about what items I had or anything like that. I do encourage you to go on whatever quest for this grail you think means something and doesn't. As I said before if you really feel it's necessary petition the host if you think the color in the writeup or some other factor is misleading. I'd point out the write-up was not even equivalent to, say, the bolded text of other player's retaliatory items or Ganondorf's Triforce or whatnot. But you're wrong and you're really stretching this to attempt to make it an issue. If the host ends up clarifying, it will show that I'm correct.

Further, I'd like to point out that you attempted to criticize the writeup and make a vague statement about Jedi Power and whatever when you thought that someone else could have been the Black Knight. In other words, your problem with the write-up was independent of knowing my identity, you're simply wrong about how you read it or are hiding something yourself for some scummy reason.

[B-Wing]

If anybody else has already posted these observations, I'm sorry for being redundant, but after briefly analyzing the Summary Thread and noting the items left by players with certain cards, I observed the following:

Both players with 3 cards had perfect faction scanning items with 10% investigatory (but so did a 9).
Both 8 cards and one 7 card had 10% retaliatory items.
The J and Q of Clubs both had 10% retaliatory items.

Not exactly groundbreaking stuff, but it would seem that there could be some real correlation between cards and items, at least.

EDIT: Also, Choxorn and civplayah didn't drop anything when they died. I assume they started with stuff, but they had already been stolen. Don't know if he can comment on that now, but I thought I'd mention it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I won't clarify whether a defense in a writeup is an item or an ability, but I will say it can be either one.

[Earthling]

I can add to that with something rather significant actually, but it's not consistent with others' cards in the same way nor my own faction. I have the 10 of Hearts and Ganondorf, who turned out to be the only person who could easily kill me and also overall really powerful in a lot of ways, had a 10.

Also just general food for thought, though I've said enough and won't be back to thread till tomorrow - how would people feel about switching the lynch to someone like Jolt or Crazed Rabbit? The largest benefit being that we wouldn't have to fight MRD, Skooma, and Blackadder for last minute wagers as they are probably sitting around planning 40 each, we could maybe save overall credits and save time. MRD would surely be game with his 40 credits and all, and if he really has settled on a consistent final story as a thief which is backed up by other players maybe he could live a little longer and we could see if he's ultimately not a chaotic. And I'd be game because it's absolutely ridiculous what they're trying to set up, if MRD is not chaotic it means that somehow the Black Knight wasn't attacked in the night writeups. They're trying to steer a lynch onto me for unrelated reasons, as I said it's because the chaotics obviously fear they won't be able to nightkill me, but the more this keeps on happening the more worrisome the effects of a wasted lynch get. We'd also have the benefit of lots of data on how people would react to the new switch and/or role reveal, really interesting what's up with these others here.

[thefluffyone93]

In other news, apparently Osama Bin Laden has been killed.
Obama's gonna be making a speech shortly.
So yeah.

Back to game now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's rather joyous news. I hope the mods don't delete that post for offtopic.

However, please keep on topic from this post onward.

[Jolt]

Actually, I thought you'd dropped that claim because it's so incredibly wrong and embarassing for you.

Embarassing? :laugh3: Sorry mate, but this game isn't gonna embarass me.
Out of curiosity, what claims do you think I was pursuing?


You apparently don't know how to read a write-up and don't understand flavor. Now it seems you're only claiming this because of how you thought you read the write-up, not claiming you actually had other evidence about what items I had or anything like that. I do encourage you to go on whatever quest for this grail you think means something and doesn't. As I said before if you really feel it's necessary petition the host if you think the color in the writeup or some other factor is misleading. I'd point out the write-up was not even equivalent to, say, the bolded text of other player's retaliatory items or Ganondorf's Triforce or whatnot. But you're wrong and you're really stretching this to attempt to make it an issue. If the host ends up clarifying, it will show that I'm correct.

Considering I've been playing Mafia for a couple of years with relative frequence, so I wouldn't rule out my write-up reading that quickly. That said, and since you besides holding all the facts in the palm of your hand, also have clearly superior foresight in write-up reading abilities, could you enlighten me as to what does the blue in:

A faint glow of a magical shield surrounded the man in black armor.
actually mean? That I'm aware of, shields (Medieval, Magical, Spaceship) are text-book items for all sorts of games. But since you hold the fact of what that is, I'll allow you to explain to all of us what it means.


Further, I'd like to point out that you attempted to criticize the writeup and make a vague statement about Jedi Power and whatever when you thought that someone else could have been the Black Knight. In other words, your problem with the write-up was independent of knowing my identity, you're simply wrong about how you read it or are hiding something yourself for some scummy reason.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/megusta.png?t=1304196328
I attempted to criticize the write-up? (Like, I insulted the text verbally, and failed?) and made vague statements? Quote please. You then somehow link this all to me hiding myself? :laugh4:

Brilliant. Quote please, and do connect the dots and the lines to see where you get from me voluntarily saying to Greyblades after he said he was attacked (And the write-up only shows one person being attacked and surviving. But maybe since you can read write-ups, you can infer some information that is oblivious to me), that he/Black Knight was a pretty strong character - to me hiding something/myself. Please do that.

EDIT:

Also just general food for thought, though I've said enough and won't be back to thread till tomorrow - how would people feel about switching the lynch to someone like Jolt or Crazed Rabbit? The largest benefit being that we wouldn't have to fight MRD, Skooma, and Blackadder for last minute wagers as they are probably sitting around planning 40 each, we could maybe save overall credits and save time. MRD would surely be game with his 40 credits and all, and if he really has settled on a consistent final story as a thief which is backed up by other players maybe he could live a little longer and we could see if he's ultimately not a chaotic.

Oh my. So your theory that MRD is close cooperation with Seon and in killing other townies is already failing and MRD isn't even dead?
So you now wanna cut fluffy out of our uber three chaotics out to kill you, to "ask town" to lynch us? Because we are the ones that are actually seeing your incongruencies?

I have a feeling it isn't me or CR that's gonna take the swing tomorrow.

[thefluffyone93]

true.
Going to front room.

[dcmort93]

bout damn time

Back on topic, I personally think that both MRD and Earthling are innocent as well as Jolt if only because most mafia would not take this much time to bicker with the town. I'm gonna FOLD

[Major Robert Dump]

Earthling's attempts at looking unkillable may be a ploy to discourage people from attacking him so he does not have to spend money on defense. I tried it after round 1, but as people pressed me for facts and others had for-real hits tried on them, I had to tell the truth.

Shlin: I stole your bulletproof item because you got the only bulletproof item from the loot stash, so I fugured you already had one to combine it with, and I was right. I even mentioned in a post that I wanted that one more than any others, and traded votes for it. It had nothing to do with you being scummy and everything to do with me practicing my steal ability. Theft balances out the old boy item voting network, and until peopel start sharing their scans so I can pick targets, publicly then I will steal whatever from whomever. It that makes me deserve a lynch, then so be it

ACIN your plan makes no sense that you would kill fluffy and CR after I was found to be only evil. In fact, I am starting to doubt the legitamcy of your flip-out earlier. Outing the other recipients of my email was completely unecessary as you all got the same mails and you knew they were innocent of any devious collaberation, then you go on to condemn those players in your scenario as if you want to eliminate all association even if they are evil. You more than willingly jumpstarted a bandwagon the first time I mentioned a suspect using a very shaky theory, and this is not the time of year for University midterms. The semester is over in May, is it not?.

As for my "nice story," there are about to be 7 Chaotics vs 34 broke townies. You will find out soon enough. Lesson learned: barely post anything, apparently that is "normal" townie behavior.

What the hell. Bet 40 Earthling

[B-Wing]

I can add to that with something rather significant actually, but it's not consistent with others' cards in the same way nor my own faction. I have the 10 of Hearts and Ganondorf, who turned out to be the only person who could easily kill me and also overall really powerful in a lot of ways, had a 10.

...what?


Also just general food for thought, though I've said enough and won't be back to thread till tomorrow - how would people feel about switching the lynch to someone like Jolt or Crazed Rabbit?

...what?

Earthlink, you're killing me. Your latest suggestions don't make any :furious: sense. You look scummier than MRD himself now. I think your best strategy would be to stop over-analyzing this game for a while.

[Choxorn]

Earthling, I sincerely appreciate the fact that you're playing the heck out of this game, but you really don't have to respond to every single post someone makes that mentions you. It's practically impossible to keep up with everything you've said because you say... so... much...

Earthling is a textwaller, and no matter how much you tell him you don't care and that he's annoying the daisies out of you, he'll keep textwalling.


EDIT: Also, Choxorn and civplayah didn't drop anything when they died. I assume they started with stuff, but they had already been stolen. Don't know if he can comment on that now, but I thought I'd mention it.

The Ice Cream Truck was mine.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ACIN your plan makes no sense that you would kill fluffy and CR after I was found to be only evil. In fact, I am starting to doubt the legitamcy of your flip-out earlier. Outing the other recipients of my email was completely unecessary as you all got the same mails and you knew they were innocent of any devious collaberation, then you go on to condemn those players in your scenario as if you want to eliminate all association even if they are evil. You more than willingly jumpstarted a bandwagon the first time I mentioned a suspect using a very shaky theory, and this is not the time of year for University midterms. The semester is over in May, is it not?.

As for my "nice story," there are about to be 7 Chaotics vs 34 broke townies. You will find out soon enough. Lesson learned: barely post anything, apparently that is "normal" townie behavior.

What the hell. Bet 40 Earthling, although I may change it to ACIN before the day is through.

I don't remember saying I would kill fluffy or CR. I said that seems to be the plan that people are going off of. Read my posts please. In fact, my last post I just gave my position that if you are innocent that we should be looking beyond this thing you and Earthling have.

Did you even read what I said? Where did I say anything of the like? I made one post that said that the current trend seems to be kill you, then kill earthling, then kill fluffy and CR. That is my observation not my opinion. Good job attacking one of the few dudes skeptical of your chaotic alignment.

And please, please do some research before you attack my personal life. See my location? That says University of California: Santa Cruz. Did you know that the UC system does not go by semesters? We go on a different system called the quarter system. year begins in late September, and there are three quarters, with each being only 10 weeks long. My current quarter, Spring 2011 started on March 28th. Depending on whether or not your class has one or two midterms, you start having your midterms anywhere from 3.5-5 weeks after the beginning of the quarter.
http://reg.ucsc.edu/soc/2112/calendar.pdf

Good job attacking a supporter of yours without any facts. Now I don't even care if you are innocent.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Oh this is rich! This is the post you are attacking me on!

I suggest no one else bets on MRD to conserve credits. The last thing the mafia needs right now is a betting frenzy of a single dude getting 120+ credits and him turning out to be evil.

From what I have read in these past couple pages this seems to be how things are playing out:
1. Kill MRD. If he is innocent goto 2.
2. Kill Earthling. If he is innocent goto3.
3. Kill CR and Fluffy. If they are innocent goto 4.
4. Chaotics win.

I have a strong feeling both MRD and Earthling are innocent in this and we are getting screwed over here but I can't say that for sure because I am not even sure if MRD is innocent. But I don't want this viewpoint to go unheard before the lynch.

So in this post I said:
1. Don't pile credits on MRD.
2. This trend of future lynches including killing fluffy and CR seem to be a bad idea.
3. I really don't think MRD or Earthling are chaotics.

And you attack me as if I said the very opposite. Congrats bro.

[Major Robert Dump]

Of course I didn't read your post, and no one is reading mine, and remember I am a liar who will do anything to keep from being lynched because I am Chaotic but not really or maybe I am but I don't think so. Regardless, you should have never mentioned the emails recipients, that was a total skank move. I would hesitate to call you a supporter. You got my back? Waaaaaaay back! You are lucky I cannot steal after I am dead.

How was I supposed to know what university you went to? Because it says so in your profile? That is obviously a cover story you put up to hide who you really are. Furthermore, I just got off the phone with that University and they said they have no students named A Completely Inoffensive Name, so I think you have some explaining to do, buddy. Could it be that your real school is named The University of Chaotic?

[Diamondeye]

What I am this close to betting 40 on Earthling to make the voices go away. Seriously I can't be bothered to read all that :daisy:. If I was scum I would have murdered him N1 and hoped it worked. Whoever has the gag knows what to do.

[Visor]

Hey MRD, you reckon I should switch to voting earthling? Cause he looks scummier than you ATM, and at least you'reattepting something, even if you did lie.

[Ironside]

Too much walls of text. :dizzy2:

Since Earthling accused me of lying some posts back, I'm going to respond. I don't know why it didn't show up in the main thread and even considered not mentioning it, since I suspected that failed attacks will show up in the main thread in some way, making me look suspcious. But I decided to go public so that the number of attacks could be determined and maybe scare off a follow up.

When speaking to ATPG, he said that it wouldn't trigger from a 0% attack and that I should consider myself lucky.



I think you're misreading a lot of things is all, for instance I've hardly accused anyone and on nothing that's not public scummy behavior. Especially I don't want to go too far giving the scum public clues of who to kill and how, even though I've already soaked up two of their attacks. Except I do have one funny but completely honest thing to share. Ganondorf could have utterly destroyed me in one hit, kill through protection or whatever. I didn't know it was Ganondorf from the start, my role PM only hinted at some killer being out there, but then with the random luck of Ganondorf suddenly dying on a random attack it was clear it was supposed to be him.


Interesting. I suppose more people could confirm this, but my role PM didn't mention any hint about a serial killer, only the faction rivalry and the chaotics (that was colour coded for convenience).

Unless APTG varies the outside standard info between the mafia PM, your role PM is more than a regular role...

[Visor]

Earthling. We need info and soon. Otherwise I'm voting for your lynch.

[Beskar]

Indeed I am.

:cool:

CR

Because of a mistake, I have to highlight this fact to make it official.

Fold; Bet 1 Crazed Rabbit

[Major Robert Dump]

Hey MRD, you reckon I should switch to voting earthling? Cause he looks scummier than you ATM, and at least you'reattepting something, even if you did lie.

I'm voting Earthling for revenge. Next is Robbiecon, Romanic and then a few others who drove the bandwagons.

I am not telling you, in any way, shape, or form, who to vote for. Because if I did, which I didn't, and Earthlink turns out ot be innocent, which he's not, then I'm gonna get the blame for lynching an evil. Earthling may just be a guy lying to save his evil skin, improve his evil score, and increase the chances of his faction surviving.

But what really offends me about Earthling is that I was destined to be the worst liar of them all. I was the KING OF LIE. Now Earthlink and his terrible alibis have dethroned me and I am but the DUKE OF LIE.

I want my crown back, scum!!!

[Zack]

Earthling is just being his usual textwalling self, if you vote for him instead of MRD then that is scummy.

[Subotan]

LYNCH THEM ALL! THE DEVIL WILL KNOW HIS OWN!

[Diamondeye]

LYNCH THEM ALL! THE DEVIL WILL KNOW HIS OWN!

Lovely paraphrase :laugh4:

[Renata]

Re: the ice cream truck --


Er.... if you are sure. :worried2:

Sent you a PM.

[Renata]

Follow up from previous round.

And Renata, if you concur with that belief, shouldn't it be the other way around? At the very least the retaliation item deters attempts to murder. Just wondering why GE and not shlin.

I want to spread around the deterrence (such as it is, given the murder of Zack), and shlin is the person most worth protecting, probably. Two better than one. Have to ask shlin a question, though.

[Renata]

Actually, I don't know that at all. That being silenced joke (Which MRD accurately said either Renata or you were lying which ended up being true) is still very fishy,

Where did Earthling say he was lying about that?


plus demanding everyone to bet large already early in game, it may very well mean that you are up to something, and I wouldn't rule you being Mafia. Since MRD is being lynched tonight, we shall see if he's Mafia or townie. If he's townie, then I don't foresee a good scenario for you. If he's Mafia then your credibility will certainly improve with me.

This doesn't really wash. Maybe with someone other than Earthling, but this is what he does.


Until then, I wouldn't really advise the town to sticking retaliatory items on a Black Knight which knocks out Jedi/Sith Masters with one blow.

This, on the other hand, is quite correct; at this point he hardly needs anything more for deterrence and really shoudln't have asked for it.

[Earthling]

But what really offends me about Earthling is that I was destined to be the worst liar of them all. I was the KING OF LIE. Now Earthlink and his terrible alibis have dethroned me and I am but the DUKE OF LIE.


No you already have it, I told you I only told two lies this whole time, everything else is true. The one really did screw with Renata which was funny, the other was trivial.

I was serious that someone like Crazed Rabbit might be a better candidate for you to bandwagon on today (edit - was going to say at least you were roleblocked last night and not one of the primary chaotic killers, it seems, plus you being a thief before, we have two clearly major killers to take out. And if you were not scum you'd have to realize that you and your little friends wasting your credits on another evil lynch is wrong, if you really weren't and wanted to survive you'd lynch someone suspicious) but with your completely offensive attack on ACIN you have to go. If you're not scum this is all on you and everyone realizes that - I still like fluffy, CR, and Jolt arguing that whatever happens somehow I didn't get attacked at night - but you just gotta go. We'll get all those items back that you stole too, not worth the risk trying to keep you around and getting you to steal/gag the people we choose because you can't be trusted.

unvote, vote: ICE CREAM TRUCK to shlin too if I hadn't. I'd also like to remind B_ray or whomever wasn't paying attention that civplayah and choxorn did have items, and choxorn's and Zack's got combined into 20% items obviously, I don't know why people have so much trouble reading writeups ;)

[Renata]

The whole reason Earthlink started attacking me early on was my ideas that the cards numbers may have reason by faction

Where did you suggest this?


And this entire time he has managed to destroy and break this towns bank all due to either petty faction concerns or being chaotic, or both.

No one is more responsible for wasting the town's money than you.

[Renata]

The tally is MRD 125, everyone else zero.

I suggest that we don't raise another bandwagon today, as it is clear this situation will repeat itself every day until the Major is lynched. Town would be losing a lot of credits if players who think MRD is innocent, always push a lot of credits on an alternative.

Bet 5 credits on Major Robert Dump

This.

bet: 5 credits on MRD

[Renata]

Of course they read my posts. I am like a train wreck full of topless women.

@ Earthling's text wall: So I am guilty because of my support for Seon in the 1st round and by voting 10 creds on my own faction member for whom I mistakenly thought I would get a profit from? Black was already dead, I'll say it for the 100th time, and by voting him and him being nuetral I got my bet back. Making a case from a day 1 vote is absurd.

*cough* Visions of the Animus *cough*

Okay, that was day three, but day one didn't count, so really it was day two which is close enough to prove the point. When a scummer gets lynched or nearly does, all bets are off. You have to know that, MRD.


As for my shenanigans, last I checked this town was full of characyers that are liars and murderers, pardon me for fitting in. Think I am faking on my claim, then why did the host include "stomping hooves" in the freaking lynch write up pertaining to me? I also find it pretty keen that you are now including "neutrals" in the list of town enemies.

@ Choxorm: I will eat your shorts as soon as you write that essay on why you want to feast on my Venison Sausage so badly.

@everyone: if the person is guilty and chaotic, you get your money back plus a bet return.

Since when?


If the person is nuetral you get your money back and break even, as I did in round 1 when I got 10 credits returned to me from a neutral kill. Keep dropping those large bets early, and when you finally lynch the right person on day 254, you all will win a whopping 2 credits. Good job. Oos, better not be sarcastic like I was with YLCs lynch or someone may think I am anti-town!

I'm beginning to think Earthling is less and less chaotic and just a really bad liar like me.

LOL.

[Renata]

Anyway, I highly doubt each faction has a nuetral AND chaotic. It has to be either-or, otherwise, there would be a lot of Chaotics (at least 8) and a lot of neutrals, which would be more than 25%of the population and the game would be unbalanced. Also, if there were both per faction, then statistically speaking we would have seen far more of either thus far, especially in the factions that have lost three members.

Certainly this much is true.


This accounts for 32 (4x8) or 40 players(8x5). Are there more than 8 factions, or there are more than 4 players per faction? Is it 8x6 plus 2 non factioned, 9x5 plus 5 non factioned, or 10x5? I find 10x5 the most likley. The following theory changes slightly based on your opinion of the numbers, but one overriding point remains: 1 per faction.. That would give us, for example, 40 evil with 10 nuetral/chaotic.

I doubt there's even that many. Neutral players can win with mafia, and so in a way count toward their numbers. 10 total would probably be too many. Maybe around ten total not-town including Arpeg and any others.


With all this being said, I make one last case to be spared. The factions in which a Chaotic or Nuetral member have already been killed have no more such members. While it may be convenient for my case since I lost a nuetral ally already, I mention this more as food for thought after my death when you realize your mistake:

There is just no reason to believe that, MRD. Not only are you proposing a game setup that could potentially be broken with a mass claim at the right point (maybe coupled with some cheap faction scans), there's also that your assumption of balance doesn't hold up. One *scum* in every faction might be balanced in that way. One scum in more-or-less every other faction, plus a scattering of neutrals and serial killers in the rest, is not balanced. Scum might want to protect their own faction for late-game purposes (and largely *can*). Neutrals might want to protect their own faction, but probably cannot. Scum know each other and can coordinate information from multiple sources. Neutrals presumably don't, and can't. A faction with one scum doesn't balance a faction with one neutral. Given that an even distribution of not-town wouldn't even balance the way you say it should, you don't even have to go to "would ATPG make things that easy for the town"; the whole argument is false on its face. There's no reason to expect that the balance mechanism is a perfectly even distribution of non-town players, one per faction.


Shlin is almost certainly a member of the evil mafia because I stole the Tanooki suit from him turn 2.

Which of the other thefts are you responsible for?


I, on the other hand, have no idea who my 4th and 5th members are, but I have a very good idea.

Oh come on. Fluffy and Skooma. It's in public; this cannot possibly be an honest statement. Not to mention "have no idea, but have very good idea"?


I find it highly unlikely that no one up to this point has scanned me, as I have been a loudmouth from day 1 and even survived a lynch that followed a 2 nights and 1 days of harsh accusations against me. I am Bizarro, and someone does not want you guys to know because being Bizarro proves my innocence.

No kidding you're Bizarro, you said so, and despite what Diamondeye or whoever said, there is no reason whatsoever that you should lie. Even less so if you are mafia and those "prancing hooves" or whatever it was are covering for something else.

[Major Robert Dump]

Ah, yes, I wasted money protesting my innocence, doing a 100% accurate claim, and giving a 10x5-1 theory that is most likley 99% accurate.

Despite faction scans being done, no one shares the fact that they know I am Bizarro and therefore innocent. Instead of thanking me for lynching a nuetral faction mate, I am accused of collaberating with Seon, as if either is plausible on day 1.

"All the items" I stole will turn out to be one item and 20 credits.

You will continue to hand over items to people you think deserve them, and your town "leadership" will continue to perpetuate the myth as to how Bus Driver works.

There will be revenge lynchings and murders, instead of going after the "leadership" who hoardes scan results because they are Chaotic or they want to eek out points for their faction at the expense of the town.

@ Earthling...you take my attack on ACIN seriously :sigh: you really need to get your sarcasm meter looked at

I intentionally brought attention to myself, which is apparently scummy, and I refused to roll over like an old @#$% dog to get her belly rubbed when you guys wanted to lynch me, which is apparently even more scummy

300+ credits and 2 day phases wasted to lynch me, not including the credits used to save me. Bravo.

I will watch this town burn, and I will enjoy doing so.

[Earthling]

I wasn't aware Fluffy is supposedly a fifth Bizarro. It was looking more like Blackadder if there was a fifth one, who still is very suspiciously absent and owes us some explanation since his bandwagoning and resurrection from the Seinfeld role.

[shlin28]

vote: ICE CREAM TRUCK to shlin

Er.... I think I just took my "one item for one person" principle and broke it into teeny tiny pieces :sweatdrop:

[Major Robert Dump]

@Renata: I have no idea what you mean by Visons of Animus

As for not knowing who my faction mates are, since day 2 I have treaded carefully on PMs and discussed nothing but lynches or vague details on night actions because I did not want to get accused of cheating as I was subtley accused of the first time. As it turns out, I made the right decision IMO. And for the record, I was not one of the people given a warning.

So no, I don't know who my faction mates are, and I don't know how anyone else would unless they are Chaotic or scanning.

Lesson learned, though, really. Don't talk in game or send PMs, and don't try to make friends with random people you don't know.

And yes, I have plenty of reasons to lie, because my character is a liar and a thief, and people who are honest up front run the chance of getting bent over the barstool if they splii their guts to the wrong folk.

[Major Robert Dump]

The chance that a single chaotic in a faction makes the faction more powerful than faction with a single nuetral can be balanced through faction size, special stats, winning conditions, items and starting knowledge.

10x5-1 is the most likley scenario. I am evil, as are my fellow Bizarro, whoever they may be. Any faction that has not produced a chaotic or nuetral should be open season.

[robbiecon]

Vote: Ice Cream Truck to shlin28

[Renata]

Ah, yes, I wasted money protesting my innocence, doing a 100% accurate claim, and giving a 10x5-1 theory that is most likley 99% accurate.

Despite faction scans being done, no one shares the fact that they know I am Bizarro and therefore innocent. Instead of thanking me for lynching a nuetral faction mate, I am accused of collaberating with Seon, as if either is plausible on day 1.

:wallbash:


"All the items" I stole will turn out to be one item and 20 credits.

You will continue to hand over items to people you think deserve them, and your town "leadership" will continue to perpetuate the myth as to how Bus Driver works.

And what myth would that be?


There will be revenge lynchings and murders, instead of going after the "leadership" who hoardes scan results because they are Chaotic or they want to eek out points for their faction at the expense of the town.

Fluffy and Warman are probably town even if you are not.
Earthling is acting like town Earthling.

So I actually agree with you there.


@ Earthling...you take my attack on ACIN seriously :sigh: you really need to get your sarcasm meter looked at

I intentionally brought attention to myself, which is apparently scummy, and I refused to roll over like an old @#$% dog to get her belly rubbed when you guys wanted to lynch me, which is apparently even more scummy

300+ credits and 2 day phases wasted to lynch me, not including the credits used to save me. Bravo.

I will watch this town burn, and I will enjoy doing so.

Not everyone's as perfect as you are.

[thefluffyone93]

I believe this song to be completely appropriate for the situation we are currently in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtgVSxfr5M

[Renata]

@Renata: I have no idea what you mean by Visons of Animus

I was referring to day three of VotA. All three mafia other than Kagemusha let their drawers hang out, a little or a lot, when he was lynched. If there had been death reveals in that game, it wouldn't have lasted very long. The point being that it doesn't matter what day of the game it is. Mafia will usually act wierd in some fashion or another when one of their own is on the firing line. Your argument that X or Y is implausible because it was day one just makes my head hurt.


As for not knowing who my faction mates are, since day 2 I have treaded carefully on PMs and discussed nothing but lynches or vague details on night actions because I did not want to get accused of cheating as I was subtley accused of the first time. As it turns out, I made the right decision IMO. And for the record, I was not one of the people given a warning.

So no, I don't know who my faction mates are, and I don't know how anyone else would unless they are Chaotic or scanning.

Earthling talked about Skooma being Bizarro faction; I don't see how you could have missed it. Fluffy is my mistake; I learned it from Believer on day two but didn't realize it hadn't been made public (if it hasn't).

[autolycus]

Bet:20 credits on MRD
I'll put in an item vote later.

[Ironside]

The chance that a single chaotic in a faction makes the faction more powerful than faction with a single nuetral can be balanced through faction size, special stats, winning conditions, items and starting knowledge.

10x5-1 is the most likley scenario. I am evil, as are my fellow Bizarro, whoever they may be. Any faction that has not produced a chaotic or nuetral should be open season.

So you're innocent because you're guessing on the faction status and because ATPG is going to leave an easily predictable pattern in a game that's all about chaos? :dizzy2: Sure, as a guideline it's useful. As an ironfist rule, very, very doubtful.

Bet: 1 on MRD

[Believer]

Fold
Bet: 20 credits on MRD

I don't want to get broke.

[Major Robert Dump]

I was referring to day three of VotA. All three mafia other than Kagemusha let their drawers hang out, a little or a lot, when he was lynched. If there had been death reveals in that game, it wouldn't have lasted very long. The point being that it doesn't matter what day of the game it is. Mafia will usually act wierd in some fashion or another when one of their own is on the firing line. Your argument that X or Y is implausible because it was day one just makes my head hurt.



Earthling talked about Skooma being Bizarro faction; I don't see how you could have missed it. Fluffy is my mistake; I learned it from Believer on day two but didn't realize it hadn't been made public (if it hasn't).

Fluffy was never openly outed, and creepy pictures directed at me do not equal faction mate. Skooma was speculation by Earthlink, based on Skoomas voting pattern yesterday. Neither mean anything, but if they are Bizarro, they are innocent just like me.

[Beskar]

Speaking of Visions of the Animus, I am sure glad we are not running around in circles for several rounds trying to lynch someone while the mafia are just coasting around in the background.

I bet they even placed bets on MRD. I am betting they will be low number bets as well, since they probably know of his alignment is not mafia at least, thus they won't get any money back from it.

So let's make this interesting! If you actually think MRD is scum, put your credits where your mouth is. If not, stop wasting every ones time.

Personally? Haven't a clue what alignment MRD is, but it smells like folly.

[B-Wing]

So let's make this interesting! If you actually think MRD is scum, put your credits where your mouth is. If not, stop wasting every ones time.

Do you realize how scummy that sounds? I thought we were all agreed that the best pro-town strategy right now would be to conserve our credits. So you'd like all the townies to spend more credits than is necessary just to "prove" that they are in fact townies? That's simply a bad plan. It won't actually prove anyone innocence; it won't improve the likelihood of the real Chaotics getting lynched; it won't accomplish anything but drain the town's credits.

[Major Robert Dump]

"Scum" is such a harsh word, and has initiated incredibly knee-jerk responses from me.

Meanwhile, the word "lie," as in "to lie," is very much subjective and relative to ones own moral compass, background and species.

"Venison Sausage," on the other hand, is a very pleasant term, one which the entire town can enjoy.

[Choxorn]

If you are not currently voting for MRD, then you have been added to my naughty list. You don't want to be on this list. So I suggest you vote for MRD.

[naut]

Sorry, I'm illiterate, so I have no idea what is happening. But, I can copy and paste (thank almighty moses for that).

Bet: 5 on MRD

[Major Robert Dump]

I grow tired.

So, when I turn out to be evil, does this mean I am Chaotic?

BET: 10 MRD

[Choxorn]

MRD, you do realize that you're still on my naughty list, even if you are voting for yourself, right? ~;)

[Beskar]

Do you realize how scummy that sounds? I thought we were all agreed that the best pro-town strategy right now would be to conserve our credits. So you'd like all the townies to spend more credits than is necessary just to "prove" that they are in fact townies? That's simply a bad plan. It won't actually prove anyone innocence; it won't improve the likelihood of the real Chaotics getting lynched; it won't accomplish anything but drain the town's credits.

Incorrect. People are wasting time and credits by gnawing away pointlessly. In VotA if certain elements simply put the credits where their mouth is it would had been far more advantagous then hosting a circus every round. This round was a complete scumhunt washout., so either kill him or be quiet then the game can progress.

[GamezRule]

Meh. I was going to abstain, but I might get a few extra credits out of this.

bet: 4 credits on MRD

[a completely inoffensive name]

When is this round finally going to end?

[Askthepizzaguy]

TIME UP. Votes after 0100 will not be counted.

[Bow-wow-wow]

I think I can guess who is getting lynched today......

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY FOUR




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I'm exhausted, been awake too long and did a late shift yesterday followed by an early one today, and I was awake for the whole Bin laden news thing. Forum hiccup ate my story. So guess what, here's the result, story to be inserted later for those who derive amusement from the write-ups.

Whoever got the most votes for an item will get that item. Ties will be broken by random.org. Major Robert Dump, however, is the obvious lynch today. Tally to be inserted later.



Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four


You wagered credits, you lost credits. You wagered nothing, you lost 1 credit.


Also, please stay tuned for this important announcement:


SO THANKS FOR THE VOTE I DO SAY
DON'T MIND IF I DO TAKE THIS BUTT X-RAY










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Butt X-Ray.



You gotta admit, that was certainly very Bizarro.




Begin Night Four.

[Askthepizzaguy]

edit, double post

[Choxorn]

Pizza, there seems to be a typo in the write-up. It seems that Major Robert Dump's alignment is listed as "evil." It should be "chaotic." Please fix this as soon as you have time.

[Believer]

Well hot diggity. That was the best town-distraction I have ever seen.