Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Beskar]

> Arguing you are not scum in a mafia game.

[Visor]

I got further than you. :P

[Diamondeye]

Dont complement the enemy fluffy.

Aww, please?


Stop looking at DE.

But I want attention!


Actually I have. Read the thread. I really wish Renata didn't take the gag with her.

Yeah man, agree on that one. Do we have a "bleeding from ears" smiley?


Visorslash, why are you putting Fluffy and Warman as innocents?

You don't trust my scan of fluffy?


Oh, well I definitely havent been paying attention. Did he say anything about DE?

He said I was ugly :cry:


You basically sent it to almost everyone who are still alive alphabetically, if the PM I got is any judge...

Just asking people to kill other people tonight without a shred of evidence is NOT a good idea :no:

Yes it is! It's deliciously chaotic!

[Visor]

I wuv u scumbuddy. :P

(Wow I post a lot of crap.)

[Beskar]

I got further than you. :P

I wasn't lynched, I was killed by the Chaotics because I was the greatest threat to them and still am.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

I wuv u scumbuddy. :P

(Wow I post a lot of crap.)

You post far too many ":p"s. Be more inventive with your words. And yeah, keep on topic or my brain will melt upon re-reading the thread. Please and thankyou.

[Earthling]

Visorslash you're very likely scum and you know it, but you'll die eventually. It's quite possible you chaotics have dug yourselves into a bigger hole than you can climb out of and it's only a matter of time. I do have to point out for an honest suggestion though - you and Greyblades both claim equivalent roles - minor townie rolse with NO OTHER NIGHT ACTIONS and only FAILED ROLEBLOCK ATTEMPTS. If one of you or Greyblades is town, how do you not find the other a suspicious liar? You can't possibly act like being "persecuted" by Renata puts you both in the clear. For the sake of Kage and DiY and maybe some living townies who are not in the loop on PMs now I think it would be prudent to make any crucial knowledge for the town public as necessary, except I doubt anything of the sort was figured out.

Backwards Logic and Roman if they have a shred of townie sense left will end up sharing this anyway. There's no way mysterious claims without proof about a tenth faction and random requests to kill random people is going to be helpful, but it could be worth a laugh to see what Visorslash sent. As for the playing cards, we are going to discover nothing at all unless we force everyone who is still alive to reveal their own cards which people probably won't do. Though I'd be all for that just like I'd be all for more role reveals and faction reveals, just doubt it will happen.

Also, DiY, one clarification just for the record - I still believe that the second time I was attacked was not by the chaotics, it was by Jolt, the corrupt Jedi/Sith neutral. The chaotics seem to have been chicken since then, though maybe we'll yet figure something out from the Day Five lynch (but again Renata/Roman were the most annoying there). What also was annoying is that Renata, for instance, knew in advance that Jolt was going to attack me by her own words and knew Jolt was lying all through his posts on the threads, but she lied about that like she lied about a lot of stuff and her faction. A shame nobody listened to me when I warned them explicitly about Renata lying and hoarding items and power for herself, not even the people who knew they were enemies of Renata's faction, but that's past and we should still get a victory against the chaotics.

[Greyblades]

Visorslash you're very likely scum and you know it, but you'll die eventually. It's quite possible you chaotics have dug yourselves into a bigger hole than you can climb out of and it's only a matter of time. I do have to point out for an honest suggestion though - you and Greyblades both claim equivalent roles - minor townie rolse with NO OTHER NIGHT ACTIONS and only FAILED ROLEBLOCK ATTEMPTS. If one of you or Greyblades is town, how do you not find the other a suspicious liar? :inquisitive:...You honestly think just because I dont voice it I dont have any suspicions on visor, god you're naiive.

You can't possibly act like being "persecuted" by Renata puts you both in the clear.
No I think doing something a mafia would never do puts me in the clear; mainly voting diamondeye when I could have just kept my vote on reneta and had a fair chance of lynching her aka The Town leader.

[Jolt]

So who revived DE?

Sorry, but your being so obvious you're scum that it hurts.

[Greyblades]

Hey heres an idea jolt you're dead but you can still comment on what happens in thread, how about you toddle off into your grave read through the thread and don't come out until you actually have something.

[Earthling]

If you guys are townies you should realize that this argument makes no sense. You can't honestly believe this is a good argument if you are townie trying to demonstrate your townieness. You people didn't even speak up in advance with your own thoughts or suspicions on whether you "knew about Renata" and whether she was a trustable town leader or not, you're only claiming this after the fact.

There is no possible way you could realistically believe that Renata was already set to be lynched and anybody else fully in the clear. Renata, Backwards Logic, Romanichine alone were guaranteed to an outside observer to vote as a block, probably pulling in others like shlin or Death is Yonder on their side, that's like 240+ credits that were going to end up in Renata's favor if it came down to max votes. The scum clearly would have known this in advance too, known how much support Renata would have, the intermediate credit tally at like less than halfway into the day counts for nothing. You can't claim ignorance of this either because it's happened almost every single game day, intermediate credit tallies count for nothing when people with max votes come in later and everybody knew that would happen. The vote on Renata on that point wasn't 100s of credits overboard, so there was no guarantee at all she would die, and in fact, just like with happened against Diamondeye, these people did show up to place massive bets and save Renata. And there's the fact that in the end the scum didn't even try to save Diamondeye, they knew they would lose the day's vote and one of their own would be gone and they rolled with it. They also would have known that they would have gotten back every credit they bet on Diamondeye to bus him anyway - it's clear that regardless of the exact plan Diamondeye and his pals had, no other scum lost their credits on that day, they knew what they were doing for some reason. It's a fishy situation made more so by the fact that Diamondeye was immediately revived.

So voting for Diamondeye or Renata is not reliable evidence at all, that much is extremely clear, someone who didn't end up voting much like Roman or myself is still easily Innocent and some of those who did bus Diamondeye are probably scum. You can't try to argue that if you are a townie this one vote proves it, it's a terrible argument that in fact is the sort of argument only a scum should try to make. If you're really a townie you have more than enough other ways to cooperate, reveal info, and show us you're a townie, come talk to me or BL and get sent on a useful-for-once vig kill mission or something. And I love the fact you're so afraid to reveal your factional info Greyblades because you're afraid some hypothetical faction enemy could come and kill you out of the blue, because someone like me is going to kill you for not doing so and otherwise hurting the townie effort by remaining a scum suspect.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Can everybody not just drop this entirely because it's utterly futile and it's going to go absolutely nowhere. At least save the petty bickering for the day phase, then you can actually put your credits behind your allegations.

EDIT: If only I still had that gag...

[Greyblades]

Tell it to the guy pushing it forward.

[Kagemusha]

There is no harm in discussion.

[Greyblades]

There is when it makes you want to throttle someone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Peace and love. :laugh4:


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[thefluffyone93]

Peace and love. :laugh4:


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[Greyblades]

:birthday2:

[Diamondeye]

Fluffy, you're so awesome. :bow:

[thefluffyone93]

Danke Schoen!

[a completely inoffensive name]

I walk away from the game for a day and I see this. I am crying right now from my eyes having to painstakingly read all these walls of text.

the tl;dr version for everyone

A. DIY thinks Visorslash is scum
B. Visor says he has info about a tenth faction and is acting confident that he is innocent, saying there is evidence.
C. Earthling and DIY says his evidence isn't evidence.
D. Pointless arguing between all three.
E. Jolt accused Greyblades of being so obviously scummy it hurts.
F. Greyblades told the dead man to stay dead and mute.
G. ATPG won at life at some point.

None of this is constructive. There is a medium case against Visor until he start giving us his info. Greyblades is meh, I have already stated my theory why I don't think he is scum.

That is all we have right now. It all comes down to what kind of info is Visor planning on giving us.

unless someone else comes out with a case against a person we haven't been focusing on.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Also, I am getting sick of all this info being hidden. This is what Visor told me when I asked him about this 10th faction.

"Hard to explain, but they are part of a two man faction. If they find each other, something bad will happen, I suspect they will win.

They are called the Lovers."

Loving the cryptic nature behind it.

[Visor]

Called a private message for a reason. Jeez.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Called a private message for a reason. Jeez.

Don't care. You got a solid case against you. Renata fooled me but I am not going to let you fool me as well if you are scum.

[Visor]

Okay then. Lynch me next day. (Or don't if I die this night.)

Throwing away your credits. How certain are you that I am scum?

I'll post all the evidence in the thread if I have to, to prove it, but it is a bad idea.


Sounds slightly scummy, I assume you're going to get called out for it in-thread

How right you were.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Okay then. Lynch me next day. (Or don't if I die this night.)

Throwing away your credits. How certain are you that I am scum?
I'm not certain. But have given no reason why you are not, so whatever.



I'll post all the evidence in the thread if I have to, to prove it, but it is a bad idea.

Then do it. Either you don't give us the evidence and die which is bad because you can't give your info out anymore, or you give us the evidence and something "bad" will happen.

What exactly is supposed to tip the balance in your favor?

[Visor]

Nothing will, I suppose. If the scum don't kill me, I'll probably be vigged by BL. I'm probably acting very scumlike.

[Visor]

Backwards Logic, ask questions if you have to. :bow:

[Jolt]

Hey heres an idea jolt you're dead but you can still comment on what happens in thread, how about you toddle off into your grave read through the thread and don't come out until you actually have something.

I had expressed doubts that MRD was Mafia and so it turned out he was a simple townie. So I had been the main person to advocate lynching Earthling and he turned out to be a joker role. Contrary to some, DE's revealing of scan results in the end was a very clear indication that he was Mafia, and I said it so, and it happened that he was. After it was revealed Renata was Mace Windu, I was one of the few people who put forward the possibility that even though DE had tried to incriminate Renata, that did not clear Renata off as a mafioso as she could be of a rival Mafia faction composed of Good people.
So far I have been pretty accurate in seeing what is going on.
Your behaviour is something in the thread. Your vote change from Earthling to mythmonster, when you did (After mythmonster advised voting for himself to avoid Earthling being lynched), and you turned your massive vote on Earthling to a 10 credit vote, not explaining anything but simply putting a smiley; that was it. Trying to maintain Earthling as a lynch bait (As he hadn't been lynched yet), and using a very unusual post to turn your vote on mythmonster, that sealed it right there for me. Every other post you make is oozing with scuminess. I had told Earthling I wasn't sure if he was Mafia, though something was definitely off with him. It turned out he was purposedly trying to kill himself and troll us into lynching/killing him. Comparatively, I say that your behaviour is a lot more like Mafia than him. A lot more. Thus why you need to be lynched pronto. And I'm pretty certain that you'll turn out mafioso.

[Backwards Logic]

Alright, finally got home from work. Tomorrow will be a longer day, but for now I'll try to reply to what I can.

I've gotten the info from Visor, and without divulging specifics I'm considering following the path to see where it leaves. It's plausible enough to consider, but details are vague. I'm not going to dismiss it entirely, but there's other avenues I also want to look at. The timing of this information coming about is dubious - just when there's heat turning up on Visor is when it all comes to light. Also in the message he asks me and others to vig or roleblock certain players, but there's no mention of a faction scan which is equally as effective and would also decisively reveal a tenth faction.

It's late, I got to sleep, and I got work early. My heads hurts thinking about all of the various angles here. If there's any vig killers out there, I'd like it if you'd privately contact me with your method of kill, your percentage chance to kill, and a list of suspects you personally wish to pursue. I'll hand out assignments sometime tomorrow if I can (I hope I have time...) and we'll go from there. No guarantees I can get around to it however.

[Visor]

I've gotten the info from Visor, and without divulging specifics I'm considering following the path to see where it leaves. It's plausible enough to consider, but details are vague. I'm not going to dismiss it entirely, but there's other avenues I also want to look at. The timing of this information coming about is dubious - just when there's heat turning up on Visor is when it all comes to light. Also in the message he asks me and others to vig or roleblock certain players, but there's no mention of a faction scan which is equally as effective and would also decisively reveal a tenth faction.

I believe we can't waste time.

I'll send you my thoughts. Reply when you have time.

[Earthling]

"Hard to explain, but they are part of a two man faction. If they find each other, something bad will happen, I suspect they will win.

They are called the Lovers."

This is ridiculous. Plain and simple, hard to describe it better. Visorslash, if you think you're in need of time or other people's night actions urgently just trying to convince BL alone doesn't help the town in an honest effort, you wouldn't manage to collect enough people or get night actions orders sent in anyway, so if you are honestly thinking this is something urgent for the town provide more evidence to more people. Although I suppose I shouldn't really care about him wasting other people's time with distractions otherwise.

However I don't want to see Backwards Logic or somebody vig-killing or generally harming another Innocent, again, due to some nonsense, so if this ends up targeting someone other than some lurker or Visorslash himself then I'd like to hear about that in advance, who is supposedly targeted even if no one cares to give more me specifics. I really don't want to find out that someone followed a worthless and distracting vig attempt, theft, etc. on somebody useful and Innocent over a fake invented story of Visorslash's, though if Visorslash is accusing here random lurkers or someone like Chaotix that doesn't matter. Otherwise knock yourselves out I guess.

[Visor]

And you wonder why I didn't send it to you.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when I die you see I'm town. Gonna give you a lot of crap. :laugh4:

[Earthling]

I will be laughing if the chaotics kill you too.

[Visor]

But if I get revived, people will trust me more than you. Maybe instead of criticising, you should come up with your own plans. What a novel idea at is.

And by come up, i mean come up with logical, useful plans.

[Earthling]

My plans in the past were clearly better for the Innocents than anything anyone else did, even with such setbacks as getting screwed over on who we can revive, and my plans going forward are great too. No need to share things with the scum that would only help the scum is all. But getting you killed is certainly a positive step forward and all part of a successful plan, that if we follow with a modicum of rationality should lead to anti-chaotic victory.

[Visor]

Maybe the Knight who is always victorious is just a cover role for the Mad Hatter?

I'd like to know who the person who tipped off Chaotix is. :P

[Earthling]

If there's anything to the business of the King/Queen of Hearts and some character(s) personal goals it's probably because Chaotix himself is one of them as someone already suggested, plus he could have learned whatever you yourself talked about with him in private. Though again if this scheme of whatever results in the death of you, Chaotix, and any other similar lurkers or unknowns over some vague personal goal business that is not a problem by me.

[Visor]

I'll have some time this arvo to go through the cards. I'll do it per faction?

[Romanic]

@Backwards: I need the item that I gave you last night for my PG. It's my starting item. I need to perform its action successfully once, to complete my PG, but I didn't bother to use it yet because I only had 10% to succeed. You can help me raising these odds. :beam:

To others, I don't know if that sounds suspicious, but like other Evil PGs I believe, I have to use my starting item successfully once, and I'd rather not tell what it does so the Chaotics won't know what to expect.

This post is merely here so I don't break the rules by claiming my PG privately to BL (without doing so first in this thread).

[Earthling]

Visorslash you'll gain nothing useful out of looking at the cards if you don't have some other hidden information or ability that is helping you, to save you wasted time if you're honestly trying to do something townie. Everything interesting has already been pointed out (some rough correlation of suit and numbers to most factions with cover roles causing some exceptions) or won't matter if we can't get other living people to reveal their cards anyway.

[Visor]

Gotta do something. Besides me and Chaotix, who else do we have as leads?

ACIN, Greyblades? To me, they are both town. The person who tipped Chaotix off is someone I would like to have a talk with.

[Romanic]

Visorslash, personally I think you are exaggerating what can happen if the Lovers succeed in finding each other. If they're antiTown, it can't be their only goal, otherwise it's too easy.

As in Zelda, it wouldn't be far fetched to think these two could be plotting against the Town, but they won't be winning with 25 players remaining, or at least if won't affect our victory conditions again. If it does, I'll be seriously questioning the setup.

Feel free to pursue your ideas, and if someone feels like joining you, fine, but personally I won't be looking at the lovers. We're busy enough dealing with the Chaotics, and wondering if they're sick enough to attack me three nights in a row. :smug2:

[Visor]

Hmm. Okay. I'd rather be safe than sorry though.

Well, anyone have a case on someone besides me or Greyblades?

[Romanic]

On Greyblades, acin and Visorslash being Chaotics, I'll refer you to one of my posts



Here's the Day 6 voting history:

1408 dcmort 20 on Earthling
1409 dcmort fold
1419 Chaotix 1 on Renata -> (Renata 1)
1420 BL 10 on DE -> (DE 10, Renata 1)
1425 DE 60 on Renata -> (Renata 61, DE 10)
1429 Renata 10 on Greyblades -> (Renata 61, DE 10, Grey 10)
1435 GE 5 on khaan
1444 Greyblades 30 on Renata -> (Renata 91, DE 10)
1447 Yaseikhaan 40 on Renata -> (Renata 131, DE 10)
1452 shlin 5 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 15, DE 10)
1455 Romanic 60 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 75, DE 10)
1469 dcmort 30 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 105, DE 10)
1470 Greyblades raises 20 on Renata -> (Renata 151, Grey 105, DE 10)
1537 DIY 25 on Greyblades -> (Renata 151, Grey 130, DE 10)
1540 Psychonaut 22 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 151, DE 10)
1542 Greyblades raises 1 on Renata -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 152, DE 10)
1546 Psychonaut raises 10 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 162, Renata 152, DE 10)
1557 Bow-wow-wow 20 on Renata -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 162, DE 10)
1597 Renata fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 152, DE 20)
1602 Psychonaut fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 120, DE 20)
1603 Romanic fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 60, DE 20)
1611 Greyblades fold, & 51 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 71, Greyblades 60)
1612 Visorslash 40 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 111, Greyblades 60)
1615 shlin fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 121, Greyblades 55)
1620 Earthling 3 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 124, Greyblades 55)
1623 acin 60 on DE -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1626 Fluffy 15 on Renata -> (DE 184, Renata 146, Greyblades 55)
1628 Fluffy fold -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1635 DIY fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 194, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1638 Visorslash raise 10 on DE -> (DE 204, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1639 BL raise 50 on DE -> (DE 254, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1640 khaan fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 264, Renata 91, Greyblades 30)
1642 Bow-wow-wow remove 20 from Renata -> (DE 264, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1644 Skooma 10 on DE -> (DE 274, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1646 Earthling fold -> (DE 271, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1651 Visorslash remove 35 from DE -> (DE 236, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1653 Fluffy 27 on Renata -> (DE 236, Renata 98, Greyblades 30)

acin looks very non-Chaotic after turning the tide in Renata's favor (#1623)
Greyblades also looks good in my opinion. I don't see him moving 51 credits on Diamondeye if they are partners (#1611). Too gutsy imo.
Visorslash also looks somewhat good for his 40 credits on DE (#1612). Probably not bussing either (but possible, he could have sensed the tide was turning).

Of course Renata looks awesomely non-Chaotic from all this.

Any bet on DE, done after #1623, could be a chaotic teammate bussing him for Town creds, specially those smaller bets (DIY, khaan, Skooma).

There also was a lot of non-voters, and I'm expecting a Chaotic or two in that list, since it would have been difficult for them to place a safe vote, siding with Renata or DE being two dangerous options. Non voters (not including those who unvoted) : Arpeg, Beefy, Believer, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Link, Red_Spy, robbiecon, Subotan, Warman, Winston.

You can draw your own conclusions from this voting record, pretty sure it's correct.

Sure it's possible that one of them early bussed DE, anticipating what would happen, but I think you're everyone solidly arguing in this thread today is Evil. And it's typical of townies to fight at each others, when the mafia is watching discreetly.

I think you should stop wasting your time, arguing with each others. Sure Earthling is right that these players are not confirmed, but there's enough evidence, from the DE lynch particularly, to give them some rope. We can revisit their scum-iness later.

[Earthling]

I know exactly who I have cases on and want to see dead and it's been discussed, others have some of their own opinions, just don't see a benefit of sharing with you in public here Visorslash, because even if you're not chaotics the chaotics could read what we're up to too and gain advantages they don't need to have in planning their own night actions. Your list of candidates and priorities isn't even close to my own though, except that you also mention Greyblades. Yes, I'm still of the opinion. between you and Greyblades one of you has to go so if you personally know you're in the clear you should be looking at Greyblades and vice versa. There's little chance you were both minor townie roleblockers and an even lower chance on top of that that you both got into a tiff with Renata because of your minor roleblocking claims, at least one of the two of you was so defensive and antagonist because you are not evil-aligned.

The other priority I've said a zillion times is to get faction scans or reveals from every player and know every faction's factional goals. But people like Bow-wow-wow continue to simply ignore the thread and not show up, let alone anyone else too cowardly to share info for general coordination against the chaotics. So for the time being, true, we're not getting great use out of thread discussion and really just waiting on night results again.

However about this lover business, if anything if it is Chaotix + someone else's problem it might even be more beneficial for them to step forward on their own, because if they could convince me (and probably others) they're not chaotic I probably wouldn't care, Roman's assessment of victories sounds right to me too, and it would be great to remove people from the list of "possible chaotics need to die eventually" if we could narrow down the list for free.

[Greyblades]

I had expressed doubts that MRD was Mafia and so it turned out he was a simple townie. So I had been the main person to advocate lynching Earthling and he turned out to be a joker role. Contrary to some, DE's revealing of scan results in the end was a very clear indication that he was Mafia, and I said it so, and it happened that he was. After it was revealed Renata was Mace Windu, I was one of the few people who put forward the possibility that even though DE had tried to incriminate Renata, that did not clear Renata off as a mafioso as she could be of a rival Mafia faction composed of Good people.
So far I have been pretty accurate in seeing what is going on.
Your behaviour is something in the thread. Your vote change from Earthling to mythmonster, when you did (After mythmonster advised voting for himself to avoid Earthling being lynched), and you turned your massive vote on Earthling to a 10 credit vote, not explaining anything but simply putting a smiley; that was it. Trying to maintain Earthling as a lynch bait (As he hadn't been lynched yet), and using a very unusual post to turn your vote on mythmonster, that sealed it right there for me. Every other post you make is oozing with scuminess. I had told Earthling I wasn't sure if he was Mafia, though something was definitely off with him. It turned out he was purposedly trying to kill himself and troll us into lynching/killing him. Comparatively, I say that your behaviour is a lot more like Mafia than him. A lot more. Thus why you need to be lynched pronto. And I'm pretty certain that you'll turn out mafioso.
A picture is worth a thousand words and I'm sure that it was clear I was pissed at him trying to kill me. You realy dont have anything do you?

There's little chance you were both minor townie roleblockers and an even lower chance on top of that that you both got into a tiff with Renata because of your minor roleblocking claims, at least one of the two of you was so defensive and antagonist because you are not evil-aligned.
A tiff over roleblocking? I got into a "tiff" over her admitting to trying to kill me!

[Visor]

admitting to trying to kill me!

Did the same thing to me. And a bunch of others have said they tried to kill me as well.

[Diamondeye]

Visorslash, personally I think you are exaggerating what can happen if the Lovers succeed in finding each other. If they're antiTown, it can't be their only goal, otherwise it's too easy.

As in Zelda, it wouldn't be far fetched to think these two could be plotting against the Town, but they won't be winning with 25 players remaining, or at least if won't affect our victory conditions again. If it does, I'll be seriously questioning the setup.

I'm thinking the least that can happen if the Lovers succeed (and I believe you, Visor!) is what happened with Renata; 2 points less for everyone else. We don't want that ("We" = evil + Chaotic).
Also, I think I know who at least one of the lovers are, so a revive would be really great.

[Visor]

I'm thinking the least that can happen if the Lovers succeed (and I believe you, Visor!) is what happened with Renata; 2 points less for everyone else. We don't want that ("We" = evil + Chaotic).

That's my thinking.


Also, I think I know who at least one of the lovers are, so a revive would be really great.

I know who both are, so no need to panic. :D

[Diamondeye]

I know who both are, so no need to panic. :D

Well in that case get me revived so you can tell me in private. Then I can have the other guys handle the murdering of the turtledoves.

[Visor]

Sent a PM to everyone, so no need to worry! All your scum friends know. Their love will never last now!

[Kagemusha]

Hmmmmmm.....Distraction.

[Bow-wow-wow]

The other priority I've said a zillion times is to get faction scans or reveals from every player and know every faction's factional goals. But people like Bow-wow-wow continue to simply ignore the thread and not show up, let alone anyone else too cowardly to share info for general coordination against the chaotics. So for the time being, true, we're not getting great use out of thread discussion and really just waiting on night results again.


I'm showing up in thread, I'm just not revealing the factions.

[Bow-wow-wow]

Sent a PM to everyone, so no need to worry! All your scum friends know. Their love will never last now!

I never got one. :/

[Earthling]

First, this lover business, seems like a worthless distraction at this point, but if it gets random lurkers to knock each other out I don't care. Whoever these "lovers" are I'll let you know that I will have no hard feelings if you kill Visorslash in turn or something like that, there's no evidence that's been provided (to me) this is worth caring about and again, clearing out neutrals or lurkers just narrows the suspect list of chaotics down.

I will bring up one other point of discussion that could be of use to the general thread here, and that's for people to look over item votes with the knowledge of known scum like Diamondeye, perhaps Renata a little bit because of the possibility of blocks of people opposing/favoring her also giving clues to scum. Most people ignored this when I brought it up before, except for possible scum defending their own actions, but it's still a good lead. So let's try again.

Visorslash seems insistent that his item votes were accidental and meaningless. However I wonder what he would made of Psychonaut's votes, Psychonaut voted Diamondeye items and Diamondeye to him numerous times across several days starting way back on Day 2. Considering he's a lurker-scum otherwise, anyone seriously looking for a case on somebody and having something they can do to help the town, knock yourselves out. Psychonaut would owe us all an explanation for his votes and what he's been up to for a long time anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Lol, say Earthling...would you like to make a wager?

If Visorslash and Greyblades and Psychonaut are all innocent you can't post anything longer then 160 characters next mafia game.
If one of those three is chaotic then you get to pick what my punishment is.

*Oh please, please none of you be chaotics*

[Earthling]

They are certainly not all evil-aligned but there's no point to having a wager with nothing to offer in return, I don't care about whatever you do in games on here. Would be much more fun if you went and hassled somebody like Jolt with some bet over whether I'm actually evil-aligned or something like he refuses to believe.

[a completely inoffensive name]

They are certainly not all evil-aligned but there's no point to having a wager with nothing to offer in return, I don't care about whatever you do in games on here. Would be much more fun if you went and hassled somebody like Jolt with some bet over whether I'm actually evil-aligned or something like he refuses to believe.

Ah you are no fun.

[thefluffyone93]

My God...
All this squabbling reminds me of....
THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW JERSEY.

FEAR.....

[Chaotix]

Maybe the Knight who is always victorious is just a cover role for the Mad Hatter?

I'd like to know who the person who tipped off Chaotix is. :P

Nobody tipped me off.

All I had to do was read the thread and find out that Visorslash was sending out PMs and trying to organize vigilante hits. You weren't exactly subtle about that.

Anyway, I need to find another player as part of my personal victory condition. It's not going to affect anyone else negatively. Believe me or not, I don't care. :shrug:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Nobody tipped me off.

All I had to do was read the thread and find out that Visorslash was sending out PMs and trying to organize vigilante hits. You weren't exactly subtle about that.

Anyway, I need to find another player as part of my personal victory condition. It's not going to affect anyone else negatively. Believe me or not, I don't care. :shrug:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZcqBgCS74

[thefluffyone93]

...........We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can dance

[naut]

Visorslash seems insistent that his item votes were accidental and meaningless. However I wonder what he would made of Psychonaut's votes, Psychonaut voted Diamondeye items and Diamondeye to him numerous times across several days starting way back on Day 2. Considering he's a lurker-scum otherwise, anyone seriously looking for a case on somebody and having something they can do to help the town, knock yourselves out. Psychonaut would owe us all an explanation for his votes and what he's been up to for a long time anyway.
Cool story bro. Let me summarize: Barking. Wrong Tree.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still missing a bunch of orders; was kinda hoping for more activity this late in the game. Please send in orders if you haven't already.

[Romanic]

Still missing a bunch of orders; was kinda hoping for more activity this late in the game. Please send in orders if you haven't already.
Nights already are 48 hours!!

:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:

[Visor]

You snooze you lose. :P

[Romanic]

ATPG, can you tell us who didn't send orders?

Please??? :smug2:

[Visor]

I can tell you now tha Red Spy was on last night, viweing the thread. No doubt he sent orders in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, I'm just a little frustrated. I've already done as much as I can to keep the game running, and it's involved a lot of duct tape and band-aids, prods, replacements, and extensions. At this point I may have little choice but to just let the chips fall where they may and hope some of you are still having fun.

[Visor]

If I die, I don't mind coming back as a replacement.

[Bow-wow-wow]

Sorry, I'm just a little frustrated. I've already done as much as I can to keep the game running, and it's involved a lot of duct tape and band-aids, prods, replacements, and extensions. At this point I may have little choice but to just let the chips fall where they may and hope some of you are still having fun.

I'm having fun.

[Romanic]

You can end the night immediately if Green-Eye basturf or Black-Wings arsehoop forgot to send their orders. :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Listen, it's over a third of the players. There will be absolutely no challenge to at least one of the teams if I don't get more orders.

Rather than waste everyone's time, I could just end the game rather than draw it out.

[Visor]

Waste everyone's time? Are you kidding? I've enjoyed this game a lot since it started, I would like to finish it, definitely.

How many people are seriously inactive? It's it's a few, WoG em. You have a bunch of replacement players, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, in fact I've used up every active replacement and used more dead people than I probably should. This isn't a game where I can really maintain the balance with replacements, as its already generated complaints. Mass WOGs won't help either, because that kills game balance as well and renders some people's goals impossible.

I'll keep going but I can't guarantee the game will be very good if there's this much inactivity.

[Visor]

You could invite Squeege. Or War Lord. Or people from TWC Mafia, etc. Do you know anyone else who could possibly play? General H?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You could invite Squeege. Or War Lord. Or people from TWC Mafia, etc. Do you know anyone else who could possibly play? General H?

I've already spammed and bugged people to join before the game started. I don't like to keep bugging them. I think GH is on the "don't send me invites" list anyway.

Well what I'm going to do is hope my prods get some more actions in, but this will be the last time I send them out. On with the show, for better or worse.

[Kagemusha]

I cant understand why people are being inactive. While even being dead for almost all of the game, this game has been very interesting to say the least. Maybe a very complicated game setting is just too much for some people.

[Visor]

Gotta say, being alive is more interesting than being dead though. I wouldn't feel the need to visit here so often if I was dead.

I think either they have RL issues, forgot, died, don't really want to play, or the above.

I sent a PM to almost everyone the other day, a bunch of people replied, a lot of them read it, but a lot did/said nothing, I would say.

[autolycus]

I'm definitely still kicking as a dead man, just trying to figure out whom I suspect.

[B-Wing]

I've given up on trying to figure out the scum, but I'm still following the game and enjoying it very much. :)

[Bow-wow-wow]

Listen, it's over a third of the players. There will be absolutely no challenge to at least one of the teams if I don't get more orders.

Rather than waste everyone's time, I could just end the game rather than draw it out.

Couldn't you make some people automatically use their actions somehow? If it is like a vig action you could look at their suspect lists from posts or just do it randomly. I know that could cause some problems but it might be better than having so many orders not sent in.

Also have you tried spamming the inactives with PMs? Also at this point, over half the players are dead and view this thread regularly. I bet some of them would be willing to be replacements or you could ask the people who you already know will die tonight to come in and just start playing as somebody else. I don't know if that would effect the balance of the game.

[Earthling]

I don't know the best solution and see why this could be a tough situation. But I have one strong opinion to reiterate - whatever is done, if anything, should be very strictly looked at and acted on only if it absolutely helps the town where leaving the inactives is hurting the town too much, as in evil-aligned overall victory condition only. Anything else is madness, especially considering how many rules adjustments and prior stuff like this that we know of directly hurt the town, such as the surprise item trading due to Renata trading items. If certain people being inactive, and I'll continue to use Red_Spy as a placeholder example, hurts the scum, neutrals, or only hurts a certain faction, forget it. Otherwise I don't see replacements themselves being a problem, would be fine to offer to some of the recent dead I'm sure like Ironside, Autolycus, Death is Yonder, robbiecon, or other Innocents, keeping in mind that a couple people like Kage we're trying to revive by normal revival means.

I don't know how loyal some of the dead would be to their old factions or if they'd want to lose their current position and victory points to replace someone inactive anyway but keeping in mind the above I wouldn't be against giving them the chance. Outside replacements if we can get them are always fine too, and if the status quo just goes on with inactives don't see why we can't keep playing this out either.

Also, I'm strongly against living but inactive players using night actions when the player doesn't send in orders, don't see how that could possibly work.

[Renata]

I never traded any items, Earthling.

Sorry about all the inactivity, Pizza. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to send something in.

[Earthling]

Well I don't have confirmation of how you got all the victory items you obtained but you claimed it (item trading) in thread as a reason for people to vote items to you (and later Backwards Logic) that you were passing them on to other Innocents. We have to roll with item trading in the rules now, obviously, and it's acceptable to enough people and I'm even happy if we don't have items given to scum, but it was a sudden shift that took everyone else by surprise as I pointed out before.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, regardless of what happens, the game advances to the next round tonight. I'd do it now but I have a work shift.

[Beskar]

Remember to revive me.

[Diamondeye]

Remember to revive me.

This.

[Beskar]

This.

I am surprised though, you want me to reveal your partner, or does your partner intend to make-up for their failings?

[Choxorn]

I don't know how loyal some of the dead would be to their old factions or if they'd want to lose their current position and victory points to replace someone inactive anyway but keeping in mind the above I wouldn't be against giving them the chance.

I'd be happy to replace someone, I don't seem likely to win with my current conditions anyway. But yeah, do this and be careful with this- you can't resurrect someone who's been brought back to replace someone, so don't use someone as a replacement if they're likely to get resurrected.

[Diamondeye]

I am surprised though, you want me to reveal your partner, or does your partner intend to make-up for their failings?

I meant I wanted to be revived too :wink:

[Beskar]

I meant I wanted to be revived too :wink:

Well, let's say it is your partners fault it turned out like this. The green-eyed betrayer.

[Earthling]

choxorn I don't think you're suited to be resurrected because you're one of the top candidates for being revived in your current role, after Kage and maybe we'll have to see how the Beskar deal goes, some might want to avoid Beskar entirely but you choxorn are an Innocent. imo Autolycus or robbiecon, or if we somehow get someone from way earlier in the game like TheFlax show back up, would be Innocents clear to be resurrected. But at this point I don't think we're going to get any more resurrected dead people and that's ok too, completely new replacement players or going on as is are both fine.

[Choxorn]

As long as I'm alive again, I don't particularly care whether I do it by someone resurrecting me or replacing an inactive, but I'd prefer the first one.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Am I still alive at least :clown: :goofy:??

[Earthling]

Hopefully not after tonight :laugh:

[Visor]

Where's our writeup Pizza? :P

[Chaotix]

I'll admit: this game is rather complex and certainly confusing to those who don't get into it right away. I know I've had trouble keeping up with all of the posts as well, and I haven't been as active as usual.

But at the same time, I always make sure to vote and to send in night actions, with very little exception.

I am of the opinion that if you signed up to the game wanting to play, you've made a committment to see the game through to the end. It's not fair to a host to be counting on having 50 players to play and then wind up with only 35 or so who are actually around often enough to participate. Simply put, if you can't/don't want to commit the time, don't sign up. That's much better than signing up and then never showing up at all.

[thefluffyone93]

I have to admit, I don't find the game rules confusing, I just wish that they were clear from the start (i.e item trading).

Also, those massive textwalls, coming one after the other, are probably more annoying than

MY ANNOYING MULTI-COLORED TEXT.

[Visor]

I'd laugh if you were advice dog. Probably are.

[Earthling]

Yes, he should be, Renata stole his item after all, and Skooma is Clippy, the question is if there's a sixth Bizarro and another cover role on that faction.

[Earthling]

So reading over some early parts of the thread looking for clues...I noticed that out of all people MRD succeeded at a faction handshaking attempt, quite cleverly too, coloring the text of his faction. With that and older posts it's much more clear fluffy has been fully Bizarro aligned this whole time, not necessarily would that prove his Innocence and with Diamondeye always scum-commenting on his posts it's still questionable, but seems pretty clear what he is and did regarding MRD and his faction, and we obviously know more now. On those cryptic reveals didn't catch more that matter, nobody unknown among the living, but of course there was my good friend who I really wish hadn't left, that more than anything is what doomed us all. I do wish it had actually been the case that Renata really was Innocent and got corrupted by the Butt X-Ray into being good-aligned ;) And for one more thing to mention, as I suggested before a small matter, I didn't attempt to roleblock MRD to uncover my natural talent (obviously none of this was even close regarding my talents but I didn't know Night One), it was protection I recall, and lied to see what he would continue to lie about such as his made up attack against him, but that's all trivial and in the past as I already said, however I couldn't reveal that here if I die tonight and would rather get it out of the way.

On the other hand, Greyblades and Visorslash are so scummy it hurts. Everywhere in the thread, Visorslash from his first post, Greyblades from when he got into a mess with Renata partly on his own initiative. See the morning after BL got revived, or after Diamondeye did, etc. and the mutual scum-reinforcement here doesn't help either. Even without replacements I still think the town has the brute force to kill off the scum here, and hopefully we'll succeed at some revives or other lucky stuff tonight. These two simply have to die, and we'll maybe get some luck resolving the situation with many lurkers, better if they come back as real active players or disappear forever but so we won't have to worry about Link, lubber, or whomever for night action accounting anymore.

[Choxorn]

IAlso, those massive textwalls, coming one after the other, are probably more annoying than


Pretty much. I stopped reading any of Earthling or MRD's posts a long time ago.

[Visor]

I'm gonna make you write all your words by hand when I turn up evil.

[Earthling]

You dying is beneficial to the evil cause, because it's better than you actively working against it, which is what you're doing now. Instead of providing "evidence" that may be full of lies, may not even be right because you may be trying to kill other Innocents, and was only sent to a couple of people about this "Lovers" situation you could have tried to cooperate. Send in orders to vig-kill someone like Warman to help the Innocent block and you win the whole lottery if he comes up chaotic. We see some new character in the write-up vig-kill a chaotic and whoever is the vigilante is a good proven Innocent. And it's not like you must even care, firstly you wouldn't care about a potential lurker-scum if you're townie, secondly, if you're townie, you're claiming so seriously that you fear you are already dead and know someone is going to kill you over the "Lovers" business or whatnot. I'd like to hear your night actions because they're probably laughably worse than helping us follow up on scum suspects. So if you're townie and not dead tomorrow and haven't done anything useful for the rest of us, that's what is called a bad spot.

I also reminded myself as one addendum to thread rereads that I still think post #681 may be the best from someone else in this game, still is great even if not true in context but for the cavalier take on things. I miss him posting while dead as the mouth of the scum, much better than a foolish, flaccid vampire.

[Death is yonder]

I'd just like to say that I would not be a priority to be revived.

Factors to be considered are things such as:
-Possession of valuable knowledge (although whether Beskar truly has it is debatable and unlikely)
-Sum of credits that they possess (for example Kage was killed on Night 1, its possible that he has the most credits out of all dead people, you get the idea)
-Useful known skills (lets say a vigilante hidden talent fellah dies, people know about it, and need to remove chaotics quickly, he should be a priority to be revived)

I'd say that ultimately points 2 and 3 are the most important factors to be considering because some might be lying about point 1.

:bow:

[Earthling]

Those are excellent points and I'd agree, there is a debate over whether Beskar would be worth it due to lies and people with credits or talents are always good, ideally we want to get to the point where we could at least try to revive any of our revivers if we lose one. For the record I was for not reviving any Space Mafia anyway though, would be good to see the last of that faction die out with traitors like Renata and Jolt gone, and it'd be potentially easier to work together with revived members of certain factions.

edit - one more thing I don't see hurting on the public record, I am one of the ones who do believe Beskar does at least know something after all, maybe his cooperation isn't guaranteed but he knows something. The "VENGANZA" business is too odd otherwise - it seemed to strongly indicate something the first time it came up, was what made me think it caused a one-time silencing event, and can't be a coincidence on the second when Beskar was killed but that wasn't part of a retaliation write-up, it meant something on its own.

[Visor]

Pizza?

[thefluffyone93]

Pizza?
Pizza?!
PIIIIIIIZZZZZZAAAAAA!!!!!

[Visor]

Ah, Otacon of MGS. :laugh4:

Where do the quotes from your sig come from, btw?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am here. The shift didn't quite end at 1am.... working on it now. Don't wait up, I only have it partly done.

Edit: Writeup in progress.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT SEVEN




Decisions made from desperation
No way to go
Internal instincts craving isolation
For me to grow

My fears come alive
In this place where I once died
Demons dreaming
Knowing I... I just needed to realign

Fell in a river of illusion
And apathy
Drowning in a self-induced confusion
I'd rather be

My fears come alive
In this place where I once died
Demons dreaming
Knowing I... I just needed to realign


-- Godsmack






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Believer was resting comfortably, sure that his security cameras would warn him of danger. The trouble is, they don't do a very good job of that if you're not awake to watch the monitors.

The lone figure approached the building from the south side. It blew straight through the security gates with ease, and climbed the stairs, searching....

When the figure reached the top of the stairs, it saw Believer resting in the chair, fast asleep. The being went over to the prone figure, and lifted him over its head. Believer woke up with a start, to feel himself in the grip of a powerful being.


Believer: "No.... no.... NO!!! My one regret is that I never got to say good-bye to Mister...."



The enraged being tore Believer in half, killing him instantly.






___________________________





landlubber was sitting in his car, enjoying his cigar. His fedora tipped back, he was counting his money. Some of it was counterfeit, of course, but these were very convincing bills. Anyone would be fooled by them. They cost quite a pretty penny.

He didn't even notice the stench of rotting death approaching. The fanged, muscular figure swung his mace and smashed open the driver's side door, and grabbed landlubber and pulled him from the car, dumping a large pile of bills on the ground. Landlubber was in a daze, and looked on in horror as the figure unfurled its enormous black wings, and looked at him with cold, dead eyes.

landlubber grabbed his tommy gun and began firing at the creature in retaliation. The bullets impacted the creature in the stomach, wounding it, allowing landlubber to get a better look at his attacker. The attacker was recognizable, if only barely so. The creature looked much worse for wear, with huge gaping wounds that should have been bleeding, but they weren't. As landlubber realized just who he was dealing with, the creature lunged forward, tackling landlubber to the ground, and bit down hard on landlubber's throat, tearing it from his neck. The vicious creature mauled him to death.





___________________________





A tall, powerful figure walked up to the fallen bodies of Kagemusha. The being uttered some arcane words, and the tiny, rotting bodies were restored to their normal, fleshy state. As the color returned to their cheeks, the powerful figure left the scene.


The cat and mouse were both alive once again.








___________________________





Bow-wow-wow couldn't sleep. The smoke and the fumes in this place only made him choke. He went outside for a walk, to see if he could find the others.


As soon as he stepped out of the building, he realized what a grave mistake he had made. He looked up.... and up.... and saw a towering figure with a scarred face and a striking green eye staring at him.


Bow-wow-wow: "Well gee, mister, what happened to your face? Did'ja get cut up by a Jedi, huh?"



The figure unsheathed its gigantic, slender blade, and immediately impaled the furry little creature.



Bow-wow-wow: "Gosh, that hurts a lot, mister! If I didn't know better, I'd say you were trying to tear open my insides so you could eat my flesh!"


????: "You're evil enough, certainly.... but nowhere near as strong as I am."



With his other hand, the green-eyed figure unleashed a series of dark energy orbs, which exploded on contact with Bow-wow-wow with massive flares. The small creature was drained of life, and slid off of the long, slender blade, ending up in a pool of blood.








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Summary of events:




Kagemusha has been revived!





Believer has been murdered!

Believer was Waylon Smithers, of the Springfield Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Smithers.png

Believer was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/10.png

Queen of Spades





landlubber has been murdered!

landlubber was Salvatore Valerio, of the Cosa Nostra Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Salvatore.png

landlubber was Evil!

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6 of Diamonds






Bow-wow-wow has been murdered!

Bow-wow-wow was Beary the Bear, of the South Park Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Beary.png

Bow-wow-wow was Evil!

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5 of Clubs






















Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six


Alive Players- (23/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Earthling
Fluffyone
God Emperor
Greyblades
Link
Kagemusha
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil]South Park Mafia(South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven







Vote now on the following items:


10% retaliatory kill chance. (Tommy gun)
20% defender chance. (Magnum)
10% investigatory chance. (Wolfen Fighter) FACTION SCANNING ITEM
10% vigilante kill chance. (Bear claw)
10% investigatory chance. (Traitorous elf) FACTION SCANNING ITEM




BEGIN DAY EIGHT


Maximum wager for this round is 80 credits.

Result PMs going out shortly.

[Visor]

Ah, so Chaotix is Mr.Burns then. Lol, what a spectacular fail.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, so Chaotix is Mr.Burns then. Lol, what a spectacular fail.

Spectacu-licious.



All results are out, if you spot a mistake, PM me. Thanks for your patience everyone. Round ends at the usual time, 0100, in roughly 44.5 hours.

[Visor]

It calms my mind though, that one of them is dead. Though I can see my lynch incoming, :laugh4:

[Diamondeye]

I can't help but notice that the person resurrected wasn't me. Someone should consider their orders carefully tomorrow night :stare:

[Visor]

Good on ya, Reviver. BL, what's that item do?

I dunno bout you guys, but I have an unfounded suspiscion that that item converts people to Chaotic. (Just some thinking on my part.)

[shlin28]

Hm... Visor got it wrong but I don't think it was lynch-worthy. Right now I am thinking of getting rid of some lurkers, Red_Spy especially given what his online activity says. Any better suggestions?

[Visor]

Stole fourty credits from him last night. So I don't think he has been using credit based actions much, or he got a steal. He visited the thread yesterday, but didn't post.

[Kagemusha]

Allrighty then. So Visorslash , did you kill Believer ?

Vote: Tommy gun,Magnum,Wolfen Fighter and Bear claw to Kagemusha.

[Visor]

No. I asked for him to be killed, but I didn't kill him.

All I did was steal credits from Red Spy.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Ah, so Chaotix is Mr.Burns then. Lol, what a spectacular fail.

Wrong, a scan last night told me exactly who Mr. Burns is. PROTIP: It's not Chaotix.

Also Visorslash, feeding people wrong information that leads to unnecessary kills really isn't the best way to behave if you'd like to stay alive.

Bet 40 credits: God Emperor. Different behaviour in this game than normal, it's only a hunch but I'm willing to back it unless a better case comes up.

Vote: Tommy Gun to myself
Vote: Magnum to myself

I'd appreciate it if you let me have these items, please and thankyou.

[Visor]

Also Visorslash, feeding people wrong information that leads to unnecessary kills really isn't the best way to behave if you'd like to stay alive.


I didn't know I was wrong. If I was scum I would've just killed them myself without saying anything.

[Kagemusha]

I didn't know I was wrong. If I was scum I would've just killed them myself without saying anything.

And you dont have the slightest idea who actually killed him?

[Visor]

Well I don't think it was Shlin, Psychonaut, Arpeg, ACIN or Fluffy, or Earthling.

Anyone else bar you maybe though.

[Kagemusha]

So you are ready to talk people into killing someone, while you dont want to take any part on the action, while you deemed it was crucial to kill the person?

[Visor]

So you are ready to talk people into killing someone

Yes.


while you dont want to take any part on the action

Because I can't.


while you deemed it was crucial to kill the person?
That's what I thought. I was wrong.

[Kagemusha]

Also ArpeggiateTHIS (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?59762-ArpeggiateTHIS) . What have you been doing as of late? 40 Bet on a hunch seems like a bit big one. I have gone through your posts in this game and so far you have dodged any situations which might have told anything about you. To the other people. As most must know i am Itchy and Scratchy from South Park Mafia.
If there is anything you would like to tell me so we can get properly organised, please drop me a pm. It would be really nice if i could get those items i voted for as i dont have anything right now, just for self preservation, so my resurrection will not be in vain.

[Visor]

Vote: All Items to Kagemusha

[Diamondeye]

Vote: All Items to Kagemusha

Good, keep up the cover. Remember, "You're a good townie". If you don't believe it yourself, how will they?

[Beskar]

Looks like it wasn't me. Nevermind, no dead chaotics.

[Earthling]

Well, we didn't succeed (or maybe nobody tried) any of my vigilante suggestions. The good news is that the chaotics seem to have far less of a grasp on things than we were worried about. I really think they are panicked and we will have this soon if we bother to try, they seem to have about given up and didn't even try to go for our Innocent group here, plus great to see Kage back. And he really deserves vote: All items to Kagemusha after hanging around while dead for so long and we need him anyway.

Firstly, whatever is with the vig-kill on Believer, obviously bad distractions from Visorslash, but I'd like to put this out there - what is with going after people from the "Renata network." First with robbiecon, Backwards Logic killed him too, now some vig on Believer, did nobody even bother to remember anything about these guys? This is what frustrates me when I have no information. Well, we know who Roman is now and Believer, robbiecon are dead, and God Emperor is the only one left to have major contact with Renata. Now, for me, Earthling, personally, as I've told you people the problem for me on this was that Renata refused to talk to me and kept me at arm's length because I didn't trust her and found her scummy. But I was under the impression that BL or a couple others knew who was part of the "Renata network" and what they did, items they were voted etc. so the kill on Believer was another failure if no one even considered that.

As implied above I just have to say it's great the chaotics killed nobodies and are too cowardly to even touch our Innocent group. What does bother me is that Bow-wow-wow died, possibly without sharing his scan results, really great move there overall. Maybe not though, we'll see if someone was passed along info in private. Everyone else needs to get with the program and we'll have this victory over the chaotics.

Visorslash, I think you should place a max (80 credits) bet on Greyblades and he should do the same on you. If one of you is Innocent, I don't see how you wouldn't find the other, Visor or Greyblades, at least suspicious. Also, if one of you is Innocent, you honestly would have to admit you'd rather keep yourself and try to help the town lynch a chaotic, and also demonstrate your willingness to work with the town, right? If we lynch a chaotic, all good anyway, if we don't lynch a chaotic, the remaining suspect is drained of credits, or if one of you doesn't comply you simply die.

If somebody has a solid case incoming on somebody else of course we can hear it but that's my interim plan, these two are the most active and threatening of likely chaotic scum.

One tangent - I don't believe Red_Spy is chaotic at all. He's far too inactive and kinda new, just breezed through a couple of games where he barely posted with little effort, didn't protest his own lynch in one or do anything in another, was just on vacation a while ago iirc which might have coincided with the early parts of this game in April as he said on CFC, and it just doesn't add up. Red_Spy should be ignored, or we'll steal his credits and leave him hanging anyway, the chances of him being one of the scum killers is too low and if he is he has no allies or friends any other way because of his inactivity and will be found out and lynched eventually anyway.

[Greyblades]

Ignoring the fact that I dont have 80 credits, and I doubt visor slash has that much either, I'm not going to do that just to satisfy you.

[Visor]

Ignoring the fact that I dont have 80 credits, and I doubt greyblades has that much either, I'm not going to do that just to satisfy you.

[Greyblades]

Ok, seriously, cut that out.

[Earthling]

Well sure, because you're not a townie, you and Visor might even be scumbuddies. If one of you is actually Innocent (evil) there's inescapable clarity to this though, because you are top suspects about to be killed otherwise and if someone was really evil and against the chaotics they'd cooperate and try to help us out. Losing a few credits - and if that's really a stickler, well, bet your max bet on Rabbit or someone else you agree could be a scum - is nothing compared to a townie dying or letting a chaotic slip by. Though Visor had some other vague promises up his sleeve a couple days back, a mysterious contact telling him stuff like Warman was Innocent etc. - it's time he revealed just about everything though if he really is town.

That does bring me to one more point again, what looks a bit extra bad on Visorslash - we had another evil, dead South Park Mafia. Now, I will stress again this isn't any perfect theory of cover roles and factions we're working on, except in the case of the South Park mafia, it seems really obvious we'll have a chaotic cover role on the South Park team. Unless there's a situation where they are down to their last living player or something, which should be wrong as there are more potential South Park roles in the previous games list, but then the natural enemies of the team might be pouncing anyway; at the very least it's unexcusable for Visor not to tell us all he can about his faction at this point if he possibly thinks he's town. We're likely going to keep killing off South Park suspects as we come across them until we find the chaotic, so again, random townies who know they have not demonstrated their Innocence, saves everybody time and saves yourselves possibly your own lives to step up and work with us NOW instead of hiding or waiting.

[Greyblades]

No I mean I'm not going to do what you say. Maybe if kage or BL said it I would, but no you've tried to lynch me for days for crap reasons, screw you.

[Visor]

I know who the South Park scum or neutral character is, I just don't know who the player is.


Maybe if kage or BL said it I would, but no you've tried to lynch me for days for crap reasons, screw you.

I've been thinking the same thing.

[Renata]

Welcome back, Kagemusha. :)

[Visor]

Bet 1 credit on............................................................dcmort93

[Crazed Rabbit]

So we don't have much idea who the chaotics are?

CR

[Beskar]

So we don't have much idea who the chaotics are?

CR

Well, I know who they are, but apparently no one wants me to tell them.

[dcmort93]

Visor I'm guessing you wanted me to speak? If so I'll say I'm not at all amused with people mass pm'ing the entire player list and telling them to kill innocents. It sure looks good when one of them or both of them are chaotic but when one is innocent and then a scanner says the other is probably innocent as well. I for one listened to you because there wasn't any outstanding evidence to the contrary but my kill on chaotix was a failure. For now I'll Bet 40 credits on Visorslash for getting innocents killed

[seireikhaan]

Bet: 20 credits on Visorlash

I think you're lying about what you did last night.

[Kagemusha]

Welcome back, Kagemusha. :)

Thank you Madam.:bow: Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?

[Seon]

I know who they are too. Revive me and I will tell you all.

[seireikhaan]

Thank you Madam.:bow: Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?
My issue is that he claimed he was stealing credits last night. I feel that is doubtful- when I attempted to steal from Visorlash last night, he had none.

[Kagemusha]

My issue is that he claimed he was stealing credits last night. I feel that is doubtful- when I attempted to steal from Visorlash last night, he had none.

Lets hope this can be checked from red_spy.

[Romanic]

Stole fourty credits from him last night. So I don't think he has been using credit based actions much, or he got a steal. He visited the thread yesterday, but didn't post.
You were talking about Red_Spy.

How many credits did you attempt to steal from Red_Spy last night? Was it 40 or more?

[dcmort93]

Thank you Madam.:bow: Also fos dcmort93 and Yaseikhaan. I have to wonder if you gentlemen truly believe that a chaotic would be foolish enough to place himself on the chopping block like Visor did? Bet: 10 credits on dcmort93 maybe you would like to share what you have been doing as of late?
I've been trying to find my hidden ability and attempting to kill people who I think are suspect but the only one I killed was auto on night 5. Also you vote is invalid as you edited it in

[Romanic]

Allrighty then. So Visorslash , did you kill Believer ?

Vote: Tommy gun,Magnum,Wolfen Fighter and Bear claw to Kagemusha.


In blue, or it might not count.

Vote: Magnum to Romanic
Vote: all other items to Kagemusha

Can I get the Magnum? I already learned defensive abilities and wouldn't mind an extra 20%, if I'm going to be defending again. :beam:

[thefluffyone93]

Ah, so Chaotix is Mr.Burns then. Lol, what a spectacular fail.

WROOOOONG!!

I actually remembered to use my Extra Thick glasses this night, and I used it on Chaotix.

AND HE BE- you know what? Screw you guys, I'm going home!

*hint hint*

[Kagemusha]

I've been trying to find my hidden ability and attempting to kill people who I think are suspect but the only one I killed was auto on night 5. Also you vote is invalid as you edited it in

Fold. Thank you for the information. Bet 10 credits on Fluffyone Can you tell the rest of us have we seen your work during any night?

[thefluffyone93]

Fold. Thank you for the information. Bet 10 credits on Fluffyone Can you tell the rest of us have we seen your work during any night?

You asking me or dcmort?

[Kagemusha]

You asking me or dcmort?

You.

[thefluffyone93]

You.

I originally had a 10% bus driver item, but that got jacked by Renata before I was able to do anything with it.
And I only used the glasses one time before, on Renata, and she showed up as Evil.
The glasses are a faction scanning device, with 10% investigatory as well.

EDIT: Now, I must be off. Ta-Ta!

[Romanic]

Also ArpeggiateTHIS (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?59762-ArpeggiateTHIS) . What have you been doing as of late? 40 Bet on a hunch seems like a bit big one. I have gone through your posts in this game and so far you have dodged any situations which might have told anything about you. To the other people. As most must know i am Itchy and Scratchy from South Park Mafia.
If there is anything you would like to tell me so we can get properly organised, please drop me a pm. It would be really nice if i could get those items i voted for as i dont have anything right now, just for self preservation, so my resurrection will not be in vain.

Actually God Emperor is a good bet, here's why.

First, he was one of the four players who learned that I was the reviver, before I claimed in the thread. Renata told him on Day 5, the day after I revived Backwards Logic. The other four players were: Renata, Backwards and [someone I don't want to name, but I trust]. Me being attacked twice implies that the chaotics knew I was an important target, so my guess is that they indeed knew, and it could only be God Emperor.

Second, GE claims that most of his night actions failed. Most of the time, he's been trying to steal, but failed, failed, failed. At 50% success, a purchase steal credits shouldn't fail so often because of this ruling:


Q- What if the dice hate me and I keep failing?
A- There's something in the game design which prevents you from being unrealistically unlucky, and that's all I have to say about that.

Yet GE failed 4 times to steal, out of 5. I don't believe him, failed attempts are a perfect cover to disguise your night actions in this game.

[dcmort93]

Oh and for the record I'm part of darkfalls

[Bow-wow-wow]

Aww mann I'm dead. I shouldn't have revealed that statement I revealed. I was worried that the town was going to think I was chaotic if I didn't reveal that. I had hoped that somebody would heal me because I was about 2-3 turns away from winning the game for us. Oh well, maybe next time.

If I were town I would revive me but I doubt anybody is going to. I'm definately open for being a replacement.

[Kagemusha]

I originally had a 10% bus driver item, but that got jacked by Renata before I was able to do anything with it.
And I only used the glasses one time before, on Renata, and she showed up as Evil.
The glasses are a faction scanning device, with 10% investigatory as well.

So you are saying that you have a faction scanner device with 10% investigatory chance and you have used it two times in total during the game?

[Romanic]

Another prime suspect is Fluffy, first because I don't have any reason to think he's not chaotic. He didn't do anything suggesting he's Town. Second because of this post:


I have to admit, I don't find the game rules confusing, I just wish that they were clear from the start (i.e item trading).
[...]


@Fluffy: Why do you care that item trading was not clearly defined?

I can see why the bad guys would not be pleased about ignoring this rule, but not really the Evil team. Who would you have wanted to trade item with, if you are Evil? Why does it matter to you?

[Romanic]

Balancing toward Fluffy and GE, but a GE lynch has more support, therefore:

Bet 50 credits on God Emperor

[Romanic]

Oh fine, fine. Fluffy may be a better suspect.

fold; bet 50 credits on Fluffy

For now.

[Beskar]

Aww mann I'm dead. I shouldn't have revealed that statement I revealed. I was worried that the town was going to think I was chaotic if I didn't reveal that. I had hoped that somebody would heal me because I was about 2-3 turns away from winning the game for us. Oh well, maybe next time.

If I were town I would revive me but I doubt anybody is going to. I'm definately open for being a replacement.

I would like to also point out that during the Renata phase, when I said "You should give items to bow-wow-wow", it was a hint to his alignment because I knew who he was.

Also, I am still not happy with you, bow-wow-wow, you didn't live up to your side of our bargain because I told you a few things in my last pm with you and you totally blanked them in-thread, including who a couple of chaotics were. So if you lived up to it, you would have jumped on the Renata bandwagon and could have done a couple of more!

[thefluffyone93]

So you are saying that you have a faction scanner device with 10% investigatory chance and you have used it two times in total during the game?

The item was voted to me after I lost my original bus driver item.
I don't know how many nights passed off-hand, but I don't think it was that much.
Also, I found out on night 3 my natural ability is a 10% roleblock, which I have been using each night, but it has yet to succeed.

Look for scum elsewhere.

[thefluffyone93]

@Fluffy: Why do you care that item trading was not clearly defined?


I don't know about you, but I would like to play a game where the rules are clean-cut from the start; the players shouldn't have to find out in the middle of the game.

Would a comment like mine have been better suited for when the game was over, when everyone can critique the game with no backlash?

EDIT: ALRIGHT LISTEN UP.
Got the Extra-Thick glasses on Night 4.
Did not perform any actions on night 5.
Used my glasses on ACIN to see how they worked on Night 6; showed up as evil.
I mixed up who I did a scan on, my bad.
And on night 7 I used them on Chaotix, and got back South Park Mafia Faction.

As for my role blocks:
Discovered that was my natural ability on Night 3, when I was attempting to roleblock Renata.
Ironically, that was also the time my bus driver item got stolen....by Renata.
Night 4: attempted to roleblock Earthling
Night 5:Nothing
Night 6: Attempted to roleblock Warman
And on Night 7 I attempted to roleblock Beefy

[Romanic]

I don't know about you, but I would like to play a game where the rules are clean-cut from the start; the players shouldn't have to find out in the middle of the game.
I agree that it's better if rules are clearly defined upfront.

You haven't answered my questions fully: What it to you that item transfers were not clearly defined? Did you want to transfer items to someone?

[Romanic]

Tally.

60 Visorslash (dcmort 40, Yaseikhaan 20)
60 Fluffy (Kagemusha 10, Romanic 50)
40 God Emperor (ArpeggiateThis 40)
1 dcmort (Visorslash 1)

[thefluffyone93]

You haven't answered my questions fully: What it to you that item transfers were not clearly defined? Did you want to transfer items to someone?

Well if a player that was confirmed as innocent had need of an item that I possessed, and i I knew said player would use it to a much greater effect than I could, I would gladly give my item, instead of waiting for a similar item to be voted on.

[shlin28]

Not entirely sure on the case for God Emperor, as he has did do things that were suspicious (what Romanic said), but also did things that were not - he had been in the Renata Network since the beginning IIRC and apparently had several easy opportunities to eviscerate the network but did not do so (which is in itself could be taken as signs of a scummy infiltrator, but I'm not so sure... takes a lot of self-restraint to be still undercover after all this time!) I would like to hear more from him before I am willing to bet on him.

Bet: 5 Credits on Fluffy, for lack of anyone better to place my bets on (yet).

Also, Vote all items to Kagemusha

Edit:
Well if a player that was confirmed as innocent had need of an item that I possessed, and i I knew said player would use it to a much greater effect than I could, I would gladly give my item, instead of waiting for a similar item to be voted on.

But by saying what you did say it would still imply that you know an innocent player by that stage... which given the current situation is kinda impossible unless you do have some valid scan results, which are dubious anyway due to cover roles. Another possibility would be that you would like to transfer items a lot earlier, which is even more scummy. Very tempted to double my bets on you now!

[dcmort93]

Not entirely sure on the case for God Emperor, as he has did do things that were suspicious (what Romanic said), but also did things that were not - he had been in the Renata Network since the beginning IIRC and apparently had several easy opportunities to eviscerate the network but did not do so (which is in itself could be taken as signs of a scummy infiltrator, but I'm not so sure... takes a lot of self-restraint to be still undercover after all this time!) I would like to hear more from him before I am willing to bet on him.

Bet: 5 Credits on Fluffy, for lack of anyone better to place my bets on (yet).

Also, Vote all items to Kagemusha
what are your thoughts on visor?

[thefluffyone93]

But by saying what you did say it would still imply that you know an innocent player by that stage... which given the current situation is kinda impossible unless you do have some valid scan results, which are dubious anyway due to cover roles. Another possibility would be that you would like to transfer items a lot earlier, which is even more scummy. Very tempted to double my bets on you now!

Its a hypothetical situation; I never said that such an event happened.
But I do agree with you on the "Another possibility would be that you would like to transfer items a lot earlier, which is even more scummy."

But I say again, it is only a critique on the fact that it was never listed as a rule.

[shlin28]

what are your thoughts on visor?

Not a threat currently, far too obvious and in the open about it. At worst he was trying to get rid of a few faction enemies, at best it was a simple mistake. However, his theory may still be valid, as Chaotix could still be looking for someone by using the word 'cuckoo' - maybe Visor just got who the recipient wrong...

[shlin28]

Also, it may be a good idea to make a list of factions and their faction rivals so we can analyse people's votes easier!

Space - Bizzarro and Evil

Evil - Space and Cosa Nostra

Cosa Nostra - Evil and ???

Bizarro - Space and ???

Psychotic - ??? and ???

Springfield - ??? and ???

Dark Falls - ??? and ???

Python - ??? and ???

South Park - ??? and ???

Any corrections/additions would be welcome!

[dcmort93]

Also, it may be a good idea to make a who is who's rival list so we can analyse people's votes easier!

Space - Bizzarro and Evil

Evil - Space and Cosa Nostra

Cosa Nostra - Evil and ???

Bizarro - Space and ???

Psychotic - ??? and ???

Springfield - ??? and ???

Dark Falls - Psychotic and Bizarro

Python - ??? and ???

South Park - ??? and ???

Any corrections/additions would be welcome!Added dark falls

[Diamondeye]

Well, I know who they are, but apparently no one wants me to tell them.

I know who they are too. Revive me and I will tell you all.

This :beam:


Also, it may be a good idea to make a list of factions and their faction rivals so we can analyse people's votes easier!
Cosa Nostra - Evil and ???

Wrong. Revive me and I'll indulge you :laugh4:

[seireikhaan]

Still think you should be voting for Visorlash. I'd like to know how it is that he could claim to be stealing credits when he had none. He's up to something fishy.

[shlin28]

Wrong. Revive me and I'll indulge you :laugh4:

I could very well be wrong - I remember hearing from somewhere that faction rivalries are not based on so simple a pattern. Not that I care for your advice of course :laugh2:


Space - ??? and ???

Evil - Space and Cosa Nostra

Cosa Nostra - ??? and ???

Bizarro - Space and ???

Psychotic - ??? and ???

Springfield - ??? and ???

Dark Falls - Psychotic and Bizarro

Python - ??? and ???

South Park - ??? and ???

[Visor]

Still think you should be voting for Visorlash. I'd like to know how it is that he could claim to be stealing credits when he had none. He's up to something fishy.

I had 10 last night and spent them all to steal from Red_Spy. You're lying through your teeth.

Fold; Bet 40 credits on Yaseikhaan

[Greyblades]

Uh didn't pizza get rid of the whole "pay cash to steal cash" bit and make it a free action?

[Visor]

Uh... no? You always have to spend to steal.

[Greyblades]

Ok now I'm confused. If you have to pay to steal then why did khaan say visor had no credits, when he apparantly has at least 40 and would have needed 10 to steal?

[Visor]

I had ten last night. I told to steak from Red SPy using all of my credits. (allowing me to get a max of 40) SO if the steal happens last, it would say either 0 or 10.

[Romanic]

Purchased action fees happen before the night actions resolve, so if someone spend all his credits to purchase something, he will effectively have no credit to steal.

In this case it's possible that Visor spent his last 10 credits in an attempt to steal 40. Khaan would try to steal from him, fail because Visor has no credit, and Visor could succeed stealing 40 credits (which also are not available for khaan to steal because both steal attempts happen at the same time). So Visorslash may well have 50 credits right now (40 stolen + 10 from income), even though it was reported to khaan that he had none left.

Pretty sure that's how it works, but ATPG could confirm.

[Greyblades]

Good lord this is confusing. If my game ever gets out of development hell I sure as heck will not be using this system.

[Visor]

Purchased action fees happen before the night actions resolve, so if someone spend all his credits to purchase something, he will effectively have no credit to steal.

In this case it's possible that Visor spent his last 10 credits in an attempt to steal 40. Khaan would try to steal from him, fail because Visor has no credit, and Visor could succeed stealing 40 credits (which also are not available for khaan to steal because both steal attempts happen at the same time). So Visorslash may well have 50 credits right now (40 stolen + 10 from income), even though it was reported to khaan that he had none left.

Pretty sure that's how it works, but ATPG could confirm.

Exactly. So it's not suspicious at all.

[Romanic]

It's not confusiong. Here's the order of how it happened, assuming Visor is telling the truth:

1) Night started - Visor has 10 credits
2) He sent an order to steal 40 credits. Cost is 10 credits, deducted from his account. Balance: 0 credit.
3) Night actions resolve, they all happen at the same time.
--- 3a) khaan steal from Visor, his balance is 0 credit. Fail.
--- 3b) Visor steal 40 credits. Balance: 40 credits.
4) End of the night, income steps in, +10 creidts to each player. Balance: 50 credits.

[Visor]

Exactly.

[Backwards Logic]

(Just got home from work. Got one more day of hell, then I can devote more time to this. I'm really disappointed how my work has interfered with my ability to play effectively.)

Alright, everyone retract your bids now. We can chase around Visorslah/Greyblades/God Emperor tomorrow. Quite frankly, it can wait.

Most are probably wondering what the ??? item does. Well, let me tell you. It's a 100% accurate true scan item that can blow through cover roles when combined with another investigatory item. Since I already had one, I was able to do this and use this very powerful item immediately.

I chose Chaotix has my scan target, partially due to Visor's reasoning, but also because I had suspicions of my own. And boy was I surprised at the results.

First, I got back the result I expected first - his cover role. He is Satan from the South Park Mafia. He's also Evil. But wait, there's more!

He's also King Dodongo, a Chaotic! And if you thought that wasn't enough...

OMGWTFBBQ, his REAL ROLE is Kafei! AND, my uber awesome item can't detect his alignment!

I did some research, and it would seem in a previous game a townie named Kafei was converted into the mafia role King Dodongo midway through the game. Kafei became the cover role for Dodongo. So, I have a few questions, but personally I'd rather everyone just lynch the guy to have everything answered once and for all. Figure Chaotix has done NOTHING to help find the Chaotics, and in fact Ironside made some damn good points against Chaotix during his posts lambasting Diamondeye (Post 1524). Not to mention Chaotix never bothered to accuse DE, though he claimed he had very little cash to sue to his failed vigging attempts. Couple that with my interesting scan result, and you have something that must be put on the front burner to figure out. In any event, I highly doubt he's a simple Evil player, not with this many cover roles and identities. I suspect he was converted, earning a double role in the process. Satan is his original role. He was then converted to the Chaotic's side, becoming King Dodongo, while also becoming the cover role of Kafei. Death is the only way to confirm it - I doubt there's any scan out there that's more powerful than what I have.

Bet: 15 credits on Chaotix. No one needs to go overboard here, just everyone fold and vote Chaotix. We can get answers on the others later on, either through my scan or through other methods.

[Greyblades]

Bet 20 on Chaotix.

[Romanic]

fold; bet 10 credits on Chaotix

Yay for Backwards!

[Visor]

Yay for me being partially right!

Unvote; Vote 50 on Chaotix

Toldya Pizza. :P

Kafei is looking for Anju. I thought that might be Believer, as he had told me he was looking for a very special person. Apologies Believer.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bet; 20 credits on Chaotix.

CR

[Choxorn]

I did some research, and it would seem in a previous game a townie named Kafei was converted into the mafia role King Dodongo midway through the game. Kafei became the cover role for Dodongo.

I can say more. In remake and widedeyed's War of Hyrule Zelda Mafia, Kafei started the game as one of the two lovers, and a neutral. He was converted to Mafia almost immediately, and became King Dodongo. He still remained a Lover, though, capable of achieving victory with the Mafia, but also capable of achieving total victory by him and the other lover, Anju, being the only two people left in the game. They ended up winning that way, largely because Kafei was ATPG, and thus fully capable of pulling off something like that.

It looks like ATPG reused the role for this game, giving a lot more credibility to that Lover Theory Visor had awhile back. I wonder how he figured it out, though... Visor, you wouldn't happen to be the other Lover, would you?

[Beefy187]

EDIT: Stuffed up the vote

[Beefy187]

Vote: Bear Claw for my self

Forgot to bold.

Also,
Bet 5 credit: God Emperor

[Romanic]

Meh, none of these characters (Satan, King Dodongo, Kafei) fit the profile for our two killers: Green eyed or Black Wings. I guess this means we have 3 chaotics to deal with (including Chaotix).

[Romanic]

Night 6: Attempted to roleblock Warman
And on Night 7 I attempted to roleblock Beefy
Did any of these roleblocks succeed?

[naut]

I did some research, and it would seem in a previous game a townie named Kafei was converted into the mafia role King Dodongo midway through the game. Kafei became the cover role for Dodongo. So, I have a few questions, but personally I'd rather everyone just lynch the guy to have everything answered once and for all. Figure Chaotix has done NOTHING to help find the Chaotics, and in fact Ironside made some damn good points against Chaotix during his posts lambasting Diamondeye (Post 1524). Not to mention Chaotix never bothered to accuse DE, though he claimed he had very little cash to sue to his failed vigging attempts. Couple that with my interesting scan result, and you have something that must be put on the front burner to figure out. In any event, I highly doubt he's a simple Evil player, not with this many cover roles and identities. I suspect he was converted, earning a double role in the process. Satan is his original role. He was then converted to the Chaotic's side, becoming King Dodongo, while also becoming the cover role of Kafei. Death is the only way to confirm it - I doubt there's any scan out there that's more powerful than what I have.
This is the most confusing paragraph I have ever read. But, I like your style:

Bet: 31 credits on Chaotix

Vote: Magnum to Romanic
Vote: all other items to Kagemusha

[Visor]

It looks like ATPG reused the role for this game, giving a lot more credibility to that Lover Theory Visor had awhile back. I wonder how he figured it out, though... Visor, you wouldn't happen to be the other Lover, would you?

A mixture of right guesses and wrong guesses, past info, and brain synapses.

[thefluffyone93]

Did any of these roleblocks succeed?

Nope.

and also...
Bet: 15 on Chaotix

[Major Robert Dump]

I recall someone saying Chaotix was chaotic on like the very first day due solely to his name. Someone deserves a cookie.


Also, for the gameroon purposes only, I am going to change my .Org user name to TOWNIENOTSCUM

[Beskar]

I recall someone saying Chaotix was chaotic on like the very first day due solely to his name. Someone deserves a cookie.

That was me.

[Beskar]

Also, I would like everyone to stop what they are doing and click themselves right to this post.

I want you, yes, all of you, to click right to this post:

THIS POST (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053307968&viewfull=1#post2053307968)

This is how lame you have all been, I already told you who that Chaotix was, and you kept ignoring me! Even leading to these posts from me:

This one to Renata diverting the town away from it : reply to divert (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053308005&viewfull=1#post2053308005)
This one telling town to stop following Renata yet again as she leads you away from this chaotic I revealed: post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053308089&viewfull=1#post2053308089)

And after getting ignored more, I posted this in annoyance: This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053308174&viewfull=1#post2053308174)


I would like to tell you this:

I been leaving clues and messages throughout the entire game, revealing who all the chaotics were so I could reveal them without breaking the rules, also so you know, that since the very start, I sussed out the entire game.


Edit: You can tell why I always end up getting lynched/killed/investigated straight away, I am far too dangerous.

[johnhughthom]

Beskar, you truly do get more humble every day.

[Beskar]

Beskar, you truly do get more humble every day.

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7435/beskarisawesome.jpg

[Romanic]

I just realized how bad I've been with my reviving targets. I'll revive Beskar asap.

[Beskar]

I just realized how bad I've been with my reviving targets. I'll revive Beskar asap.

What you know what sucks the most, for real? You will get a better end-score than me when I pretty much worked out the entire game but got killed off and shoveled into the corner, due to the collective consciousness of always being seen as "scummy" thus ignored and people being uncooperative.

[Chaotix]

Idiots.

I can give you all of the chaotics and win as a regular mafia with my personal goal of finding Anju fulfilled.

I was lying, of course, about being a regular townie. I was not lying about my personal goal. That's what it is. Finding Anju is one point. And once that's done, I get the option to change my alignment and go mafia instead of chaotic, if it's more convenient for me.

And you know what? It's certainly more convenient for me now.

But instead, you're going to lynch me and throw away your chance. Brilliant. You guys are just brilliant.

----------------------

Beskar, you have been awesome, and it wasn't my choice to kill you. I would've kept you along as a neutral assistant. Maybe if you got less convenient later I might've had you killed off, but I think we really could have been allies.

----------------------

So you guys have basically two options right now.

1. You lynch me now, and hope that you can find the other chaotics before they kill the rest of you. I find this unlikely, but you're free to take your chances and whatnot.

2. You take your votes off me and let me survive the day. In return, I give you the names of my scum partners (you can lynch one of them today if the votes come off quickly enough), and I become a townie once I find Anju during the night phase. My special ability is nightkill immunity, so I don't need you to protect me or anything. We kill off the mafia in 3 rounds or less, everybody lives happily ever after.

I'm NOT going to give you their names until I see the tides changing. If I die today, I am irrevocably a mafioso and would be screwing over my own chances of victory. I need to find Anju and give her my special item before I can change alignment.

Speaking of which: ANJU SHOULD REVEAL IN THE THREAD NOW. She is, as usual, a townie and has nothing to fear now that Ganondorf is dead.


So... anybody want to make a deal with the Devil? I am, after all, the Angel's worst enemy, working under his nose the entire time.

[Romanic]

What you know what sucks the most, for real? You will get a better end-score than me when I pretty much worked out the entire game but got killed off and shoveled into the corner, due to the collective consciousness of always being seen as "scummy" thus ignored and people being uncooperative.
Don't get me started in the scoring system. :smug2:

Well, in your case, figuring the game isn't enough, being neutral. Not sure what your goal is/was, but sadly I don't think it's limited to finding the Chaotic team, like mine. You know, I might have considered you as a revival target if you weren't neutral, but I can't take a chance with you, no matter how hard you yell about being able to help us. See you in the next life. :beam:

[Chaotix]

Bet: 80 credits on Visorslash

Purely self-preservation at this point. I will put my bet on one of my teammates if/when I see votes start to come off me.

[Beskar]

Beskar, you have been awesome, and it wasn't my choice to kill you. I would've kept you along as a neutral assistant. Maybe if you got less convenient later I might've had you killed off, but I think we really could have been allies.

You made it obvious you wasn't keen on working with me though, my suggestion was a test and you failed it. I will tell you post-game why if you like since I can't do now because it might be rule breaking.

I did stop my argument against you though, because the spite I had against the 'town' for ignoring me and not lynching you was greater than the spite I had for you arranging my death. Though since you was publicly revealed anyway, I thought I would rub in a "I already told you so".

:bow:

[Visor]

I think you need to die Chaotix. Can you decline item gifts?

[Beskar]

You know, I might have considered you as a revival target if you weren't neutral, but I can't take a chance with you, no matter how hard you yell about being able to help us.

I already beat you to it.

You can tell why I always end up getting lynched/killed/investigated straight away, I am far too dangerous.

In short, I am too good for my own good, especially in a game based on survival since I am too dangerous for anyone to leave me alive "just in case" I might be playing them.

[Romanic]

Idiots.
Way to start a post where you propose a deal. :laugh4:




So you guys have basically two options right now.

1. You lynch me now, and hope that you can find the other chaotics before they kill the rest of you. I find this unlikely, but you're free to take your chances and whatnot.
I'll take option #1. No deal with confirmed scums.

I'm pretty confident in my team's ability to find who the remaining Chaotics are.


Bet: 80 credits on Visorslash

Purely self-preservation at this point. I will put my bet on one of my teammates if/when I see votes start to come off me.
I bet you don't have that many credits. I stole all you had on Night 5. Nice bluff, heehee.

[seireikhaan]

Romanic's explanation does make sense. I'd like, if possible, a bit of confirmation on night timing. In the meantime, someone else needs to die. No deals with the devil today.

Fold
Bet: 39 credits on Chaotix

[Beskar]

Can you decline item gifts?

ZOMG, it's an Anju?!


I'm pretty confident in my team's ability to find who the remaining Chaotics are.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.... your team is rotten to the core, you was even pretty confident that Renata wasn't scum and she was the leader of your team!

Have you told your team mates you about the person who revived Diamondeye for their personal goal, yet?

[Visor]

I can see my death tonight lol. :laugh4:

[Chaotix]

I think you need to die Chaotix. Can you decline item gifts?

Is this question directed at me?

I have no idea. I have never received a gift and never tried.

I want you to die for putting me in this position, Visorslash, but I'm willing to put our differences aside. There are bigger fish to fry, namely Sephiroth and his reviving sorcerer.

[Visor]

I want you to die for putting me in this position, Visorslash.

Can I sig that?

What does your item do exactly?

[Death is yonder]

I would like to tell you this:

I been leaving clues and messages throughout the entire game, revealing who all the chaotics were so I could reveal them without breaking the rules, also so you know, that since the very start, I sussed out the entire game.


Edit: You can tell why I always end up getting lynched/killed/investigated straight away, I am far too dangerous.

I don't recommend listening to Beskar, he typically twists whatever he has said to fit the convenient truth. Most of the time anyway.

And Chaotix should be lynched immediately, the only reason not to lynch Chaotix would be if you believe what he is saying and trust him. For emphasis, lets say it again, the only reason not to lynch Chaotix the Chaotic would be if you trust him, a chaotic.

[Chaotix]

Way to start a post where you propose a deal. :laugh4:



I'll take option #1. No deal with confirmed scums.

I'm pretty confident in my team's ability to find who the remaining Chaotics are.


I bet you don't have that many credits. I stole all you had on Night 5. Nice bluff, heehee.

Really?

How many has your team personally caught so far, Romanic?

Sure, you and Renata teamed up and caught Diamondeye, but it doesn't mean much when she made off with your items and stole first place victory. I don't see you being very successful in the near future, especially considering it's getting down to the wire and your town will start turning on its side going for factional victories instead of the team win. After all, they are worth just as much now.

[Chaotix]

I don't recommend listening to Beskar, he typically twists whatever he has said to fit the convenient truth. Most of the time anyway.

And Chaotix should be lynched immediately, the only reason not to lynch Chaotix would be if you believe what he is saying and trust him. For emphasis, lets say it again, the only reason not to lynch Chaotix the Chaotic would be if you trust him, a chaotic.

Blah blah blah.

You say that as if it means something.

I am a legendary double-crosser. You think I have any qualms about betraying my team if it brings me closer to winning? I've already told you I can change my alignment upon completion of my personal goal. I'll be a townie just like the rest of you, with knowledge of my partners in crime to sell, and night-kill immunity from them to boot.

You're gonna need me. Kills aren't going to reduce if I die.

[Beskar]

I don't recommend listening to Beskar

You shouldn't give out your alignment so readily, or you should consider renaming yourself "Death is over the Yonder"

You must really hate that I been striking nails on the head, I know why you been telling people not to listen to me, it is in my reply to Romanic. I am far too dangerous and if there is even the slightest remote chance I am scum, you would then kick yourself to losing to me again. So you go to the default position of "Beskar = Scum" which makes mafia games very boring for me, as I might as well just randomly post from memegenerator since no one would listen to what I have to say anyway, even if I am getting everything right and proven myself ten fold.

Infact, in this game, I did both randomly posting joke posts and telling you who the scum were. Next time, I just won't bother adding the part about who scum are, since it gets ignored anyway.


caught Diamondeye

I beat them to that too, just ended up a little dead before I could cash in on that information.

[Visor]

I want you to die for putting me in this position, Visorslash.

Can I sig that?

What does your item do exactly?

Well?

[Chaotix]

Can I sig that?

What does your item do exactly?

The Pendant of Memories, when transferred to Anju, gives us both a personal victory point. I can use it to scan for her, but once it's transferred its use has been fulfilled. No other special abilities attached.

[Visor]

You sure? No secret conversion to chaoticism? I'd rather stay a townie...

[Beskar]

You sure? No secret conversion to chaoticism? I'd rather stay a townie...

and Beskar beat punchline already, another +1 to Beskar.

I saw this coming a mile away, how many posts did you take you, dear reader?

[Chaotix]

You sure? No secret conversion to chaoticism? I'd rather stay a townie...

Positive.

And I already know you're not Anju, Visorslash, I've scanned you already. Nice try.

[Bow-wow-wow]

I would like to also point out that during the Renata phase, when I said "You should give items to bow-wow-wow", it was a hint to his alignment because I knew who he was.

Also, I am still not happy with you, bow-wow-wow, you didn't live up to your side of our bargain because I told you a few things in my last pm with you and you totally blanked them in-thread, including who a couple of chaotics were. So if you lived up to it, you would have jumped on the Renata bandwagon and could have done a couple of more!

You never told me anything else. You were about to when you died. It was my fault for talking up but I was afraid that one of the townies would vig me. I hoped the chaotics would just overlook me.

[Visor]

Positive.

And I already know you're not Anju, Visorslash, I've scanned you already. Nice try.
:laugh4: Proof?

[Bow-wow-wow]

If I were town, I would revive either me or Beskar. We happen to have figured out important information but neither of us can reveal anything while we are dead.

[Visor]

You're more humble. Let's go with you.

[Chaotix]

:laugh4: Proof?

On which count?

Look, it doesn't say anything in the item description about converting Anju to chaotic.

But even if it did, it would not serve either of us to do that. The only way I am going to find Anju anytime soon is if she reveals in the thread. And if she does... you KNOW who she is. If I am lying she is right in plain sight for you to kill.

[Visor]

On whether I am Anju or not. Cause my role pm kinda says that I am.

Yay for role reveals.

[Beskar]

You never told me anything else. You were about to when you died. It was my fault for talking up but I was afraid that one of the townies would vig me. I hoped the chaotics would just overlook me.

What was my last message to you, just before the round ended on my death? Re-read it since I can't really reveal it as it would be against the rules. That's where my disappointment lies.

[Chaotix]

On whether I am Anju or not. Cause my role pm kinda says that I am.

Yay for role reveals.

Yeah I totally believe you.

Especially after you tried to have me killed, had me investigated and outed to the town, and are now the cause of me being lynched. Because THAT is what my secret lover would do. Yep.

Anyway, I don't need to prove it to you. This is one of those things where you and I both know you are lying.

[Beskar]

I am tempted to turn leaf and going to start rooting for the Chaotics. The town are not even smart enough to revive their greatest asset which I would have gladly worked for to end up getting a victory.

So Chaotix, tell your masters for them to consider reviving me and I will work for them, I can greatly aid them, plus the town will keep wasting credits on lynching me giving them a free bus pass to victory.

[Visor]

I didn't believe you were Kafei, I thought you were using that as a means to trick someone. Now I do, and I regret it. It's not too late for the one point.

[Chaotix]

I didn't believe you were Kafei, I thought you were using that as a means to trick someone. Now I do, and I regret it. It's not too late for the one point.

Well isn't that a pity, because the only way I can give that Pendant of Memories to you is if I survive the day phase and transfer it to you tonight.

Decisions, decisions...

[Visor]

You can only transfer by night? Really? Damn. There goes my personal victory. :(

[Romanic]

Really?

How many has your team personally caught so far, Romanic?

Sure, you and Renata teamed up and caught Diamondeye, but it doesn't mean much when she made off with your items and stole first place victory. I don't see you being very successful in the near future, especially considering it's getting down to the wire and your town will start turning on its side going for factional victories instead of the team win. After all, they are worth just as much now.

We only lynched three Evil players in the first seven, soon eight, days. I don't see what the problem is with Evil Team. In my opinion we're doing just fine.

About who precisely caught who, I don't really care. My Team is the Evil/Town team, and as far as I'm concerned, we caught three chaotics: Seon, Diamondeye and now you. Yay us!

As for players turning to meet the Factional goal instead of Team goal, why would they? Both are worth the same amount of points (3), but one goal involves beating the crap out of the bad guys who've been killing us since the beginning. My priority is clear, and I certainly hope the other players see it this way.

[thefluffyone93]

PHEH I SAY.

PHEH.

LOOK UPON MY FACE OF DISAPPROVAL.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/tom_delay.jpg?t=1306039128

Fold

I could care less for a team victory right now, as the town is so inept.
I can win my personal victory whether I'm alive or dead, so I DON'T CARE.

[Beskar]

Seon, Diamondeye and now you.

Wouldn't that be:
"No you didn't, he died to random chance"
"Renata took a lucky gambit at survival and it paid off, and she got first place because of your team and your team now lost the game"
and "Chaotix was revealed two weeks ago by Beskar, but only just got around to him"

Which brings your total to: Zero.

[Chaotix]

We only lynched three Evil players in the first seven, soon eight, days. I don't see what the problem is with Evil Team. In my opinion we're doing just fine.

About who precisely caught who, I don't really care. My Team is the Evil/Town team, and as far as I'm concerned, we caught three chaotics: Seon, Diamondeye and now you. Yay us!

As for players turning to meet the Factional goal instead of Team goal, why would they? Both are worth the same amount of points (3), but one goal involves beating the crap out of the bad guys who've been killing us since the beginning. My priority is clear, and I certainly hope the other players see it this way.

You don't care who catches them, but when I offer them to you on a silver platter you turn me down?

Something is not adding up here.

Sure, I am untrustworthy. But look at it from my perspective: my personal goal is yet unfulfilled, my faction is dying out very quickly, and I have a choice between which team I want to win with. I just want to survive long enough to get my personal goal, switch my alignment, and be on the winning team.

And I am ready to betray my chaotic buddies to do it.

Because let's face it: I am the REAL Chaotic One here. It's even in my name.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Visor]

You CAN transfer items by day. Just got confirmation Chaotix.

[Chaotix]

You CAN transfer items by day. Just got confirmation Chaotix.

Oh. Goody.

Then hopefully the real Anju shows up. I'm calling she's definitely a lurker. Probably Red_Spy or something. In which case I am screwed.

I never believed you for a second, Visorslash.

[Romanic]

Wouldn't that be:
"No you didn't, he died to random chance"
"Renata took a lucky gambit at survival and it paid off, and she got first place because of your team and your team now lost the game"
and "Chaotix was revealed two weeks ago by Beskar, but only just got around to him"

Which brings your total to: Zero.
:laugh4:

Nope it's 3 for us. And I don't feel like arguing this with you. :wink: