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Askthepizzaguy

06-01-2011, 07:06

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MANBEARPIG

Half Man, Half Bear, Half Pig

Finally, Psychonaut turned and faced his accuser. He looked at the inoffensive one with gleaming, golden eyes. He was a powerful, vicious-looking figure. He opened his jaw and roared his displeasure at being accused.... he didn't like it..... not.... one.... bit.

Psychonaut: "...................."

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A completely inoffensive name: "You don't frighten me, pig. It's time for all the little piggies to be slaughtered...."

And so, the man with the inoffensive name brandished a knife and lunged towards Manbearpig, the notorious, legendary, mythical beast that Al Gore predicted would destroy the world.

Was Al Gore right all along?

Could Al Gore have been right about other things?

Like Global Warming?

It certainly felt like hell was creeping up on them.... the burning magma.... the searing ash that filled the sky.... the intense heat.

It was true.

It was all true.

Al Gore.... was right.

And now, Manbearpig would destroy them all, by tearing them limb from limb, starting with the most inoffensive name among them.

The other beings stood back and watched, as the glorious Manbearpig approached ACIN, and snarled with raw power. Then, he lunged.

The inoffensively named man did the same, holding the knife and thrusting it deep into the chest of the ferocious beast. But the beast did not stop....

The beast lifted up the completely inoffensive man, and began to rip at his body with his powerful claws. He slammed the figure against the ground, and threw him against the nearest wall, bloodying the man and shattering bone.

The beast was winning.... and now, the Black Knight who Always Triumphs joined in the fray, attacking the completely inoffensive one from behind. It was a vulgar brawl, not going according to plan.

It was at this point that the spectators decided to intervene.... they lunged forward, and pulled the Black Knight off of ACIN, and tried to destroy Manbearpig.

They tried, and failed. It was too strong.....

Manbearpig lifted up the largest of them, and hurled that figure into the crowd, knocking them all down.

Then the beast roared in agony, and fell.......

It seemed that the completely inoffensive one had managed to saw halfway through the beast's neck with his knife, and the Manbearpig died from the wounds.

Surely it was over now.... they had found the last of the chaotics. Now the Angel would stop the meteor from falling....

But the meteor did not stop.

When the Angel finally appeared from the clouds, he just laughed at the remaining survivors, and pointed to the sky....

This fight was not over, and everyone was still in grave danger.

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Summary of events:

Psychonaut has been lynched!

Psychonaut was Manbearpig, of the South Park Faction!

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Psychonaut was Evil!

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9 of Spades

Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six

Alive Players- (11/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
Romanic
Visorslash
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine
Link- Monty Burns [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) King of Spades
shlin28- Boomerang Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Diamonds
Subotan- Anthony Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 9 of Clubs
Skooma Addict- Fluffy Bunny [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia!?! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122738-SPEED-MAFIA%21-%21)) 4 of Hearts
TheFluffyOne93- Advice Dog [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119574-SPEED-MAFIA%21)) 5 of Hearts
-------------Night Nine
Psychonaut- Manbearpig [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 9 of Spades
-------------Day Ten

BEGIN NIGHT TEN.

naut

06-01-2011, 07:13

TOLD YOU SO.

Now, go lynch the right people.

Earthling

06-01-2011, 07:15

We probably need an updated tally including bluffed wagers, right?

Also here's the new working theory.

Takhisis must be the last bad guy. He joined the forums under a different screenname, the sly scummer, and was able to pretend to drop out of the game and get replaced but really he had a 51st character role the whole time. We can still stop him.

His playing card is the "Rules for Draw and Stud Poker"

naut

06-01-2011, 07:16

Somebody gag Earthling. Cheers. :wink2: ~;p

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 07:20

Hey Earthling...
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/07/27/t1larg.jonstewartsbeard.jpg

Do you believe me now?

Askthepizzaguy

06-01-2011, 07:22

131 Psycho (1 Romanic, 30 BL, 100 ACIN)
85 ACIN (10 Beefy, 75 Earthling)
31 Greyblades (10 Khaan, 21 Winston Hughes)

No other wagers.

All wagers were lost.

Items I believe all go to Kagemusha except for the teleporter which goes to Khaan, but I have to double check that.

Earthling

06-01-2011, 07:24

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 07:29

You just lynched an Innocent. What do you even expect me to believe? It indicates nothing good about you. Is it like you said before that khaan or Beefy is guilty right? Because you'll continue to insist it's not you and not Greyblades or Visorslash either.

It could be Greyblades or Visorslash if it wasn't psycho.

As far as I am concerned, I am confirmed evil.

Either way, the ruling does not impact the outcome of the game. I just wanted to make sure I was personally fair on the two players in question.

AKA, if I died, nothing would have changed AKA I'm evil.

Earthling

06-01-2011, 07:35

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 07:43

That's such a facetious lie and you know it. Doesn't even come close to confirming you as not neutral or other non-evil aligned. You could also have survived the lynch or something, godfather-ish role or serial killer, and so we'd have to catch another chaotic. A statement like that wouldn't be made hastily and so unfairly to the actual scum if you're not one at the same time. Though you can go kill Greyblades and Visorslash if you like and I won't stop you.

Also, I think a discussion on whether it's worth reviving Beskar is in order. There's a non-zero chance he knows who Sephiroth is, that is who killed him, if he's still around and able to be revived.

Whatevever dude. If BL super scans me and I come up clean that is pretty much proof I am not some neutral or non evil aligned nor a serial killer. Chaotics have cover roles but BL saw through them, same would apply to a serial killer.

If I was sephiroth, it would have shown in the lynch and the game would have been drastically different. There is literally no way that the game could have gone on as normal if I was lynched and was Seph.

Lol, you want to talk about surviving lynches godfather style...we shall see how big of a hole you will dig by the time the list of suspects comes down to just you and me.

EDIT: I had 114 credits. Now I have 14. So I am just going to take a step back and just watch what happens because I got no more betting power during the day.

Earthling

06-01-2011, 07:51

If I was sephiroth, it would have shown in the lynch and the game would have been drastically different. There is literally no way that the game could have gone on as normal if I was lynched and was Seph.

I'll let the actual scum complain if they think the game host has made unnecessary metagame comments. Nothing "proves you are evil" and you know it.

We just lynched an Innocent vigilante and major amounts of credits were lost by other Innocents, that we don't know would have been lost if you were lynched. There's no way something in the game wasn't going to change (say, Psychonaut and his faction may be just about impossibly out of their victories) due to the day's lynch. That's how it goes, but you're grasping at straws here.

I don't recommend BL scanning you, outright killing is better for several of you now, and the scan is better off on a couple others just in case. Not sure if it could see through Sephiroth's role but it's a waste on you or Greyblades or Visorslash. Or me too, I'd rather not waste time and scans on me and if somebody wants to kill me they can go right ahead and try, perilously close to an Innocent loss anyway but it's better than a hypothetical lynch.

Visor

06-01-2011, 08:01

You need to go die in a hole Earthling. You're utterly useless.

Where is the disgust smiley?

Askthepizzaguy

06-01-2011, 08:05

Please keep comments civil; it's in the rules you know.

I can see where my comment regarding game outcome can be viewed a certain way. It is best ignored by players, because it is open to misinterpretation. Focus on your own scum hunting, ignore the man behind the curtain. He says things you mortals wouldn't understand.

:curtain:

Visor

06-01-2011, 08:09

There comes a time in every man's life, where he must call Earthling an [EXPLETIVE DELETED]. Today is this man's day.

I would rather the scum live then Earthling at this point in time. Of course that may just be the headache speaking, but somehow, I doubt it. :P

Chaotics, end Earthling's life. I implore you.

ArpeggiateTHIS

06-01-2011, 08:13

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 08:15

I'll let the actual scum complain if they think the game host has made unnecessary metagame comments. Nothing "proves you are evil" and you know it.
lol nope. I'm proven. I'm proven. I'm proven. I'm proven. If I was Seph and was lynched the game would probably be over. If I was seph and was lynched and survived it because of a godfather ability, everyone would have known I was scum and I would have been killed the next day and the game would be over.

You got nothing boy, and you know it. You are just casting suspicion on everyone you want to die because you know that I know now. You are Seph. Your cover role is the black knight and you survived a lynch under the guise of being the black knight. You are really pressing for everyone around you to kill me because I was close and it was obvious from our arguments that you really have no foot to stand on. Now you have lost all your credits. Now you are scared. You know that what ATPG has said pretty much inadvertently confirmed that killing me would have done jack squat because I am not seph.

You don't want BL to scan me because it eliminates your very last stand, that I could still be some boogyman neutral or serial killer. You had to have me killed because I am your biggest threat boy. I got you figured out now.

We just lynched an Innocent vigilante and major amounts of credits were lost by other Innocents, that we don't know would have been lost if you were lynched. yes we do, if I was killed nothing would have changed and all the credits would have been lost anyway. If I was seph, the balance of credits being lost would have been completely different, your 100 cred would have been saved and that probably would have made all the difference in the world when it comes to preventing a credit victory for the chaotics.

There's no way something in the game wasn't going to change (say, Psychonaut and his faction may be just about impossibly out of their victories) due to the day's lynch. That's how it goes, but you're grasping at straws here.

I want to say that the correct expression here is...the pot calling the kettle black. You got nothing and you are scared.

I don't recommend BL scanning you, outright killing is better for several of you now, and the scan is better off on a couple others just in case. Not sure if it could see through Sephiroth's role but it's a waste on you or Greyblades or Visorslash. Or me too, I'd rather not waste time and scans on me and if somebody wants to kill me they can go right ahead and try, perilously close to an Innocent loss anyway but it's better than a hypothetical lynch.

Yes, of course you don't want me scanned. After all, I came in second place, why should I a supposedly unknown player be scanned? Gotta keep the info about who I really am away from everyone, otherwise you begin to look like quite the fool. Oh yes, kill everyone but Earthling as soon as possible. You got no choice but to force a close game.

If I had another 100 cred, I would wipe you out this next day phase and not give two cents about what Romanic and BL and Kage say. I got you all figured out.

Well now Earthling, since we both seem to be at a loss of credits I guess I get to play the waiting game and see your attempts at casting suspicion on everyone but yourself play out over the next few days. Yes, I think we are both fine with killing off Visor and Greyblades, but for different reasons.

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 08:17

Funnily enough, they've tried twice and he's survived.

has he been lynched twice?

EDIT: Everyone can die. I don't believe this crap about him not being able to die. In ATPG's games anything goes, anyone can die.

Visor

06-01-2011, 08:18

Wait, ACIN, why do you want me dead?

@ Arpeg

To the scum: Try one more time. For the game's sake. And my sanity.

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 08:23

Wait, ACIN, why do you want me dead?

Because it will show that Earthling is guilty. He needs to kill everyone as soon as possible and try to get as many credits as possible. Don't be surprised if you get credits stolen from you. he backed himself into a corner now since he couldn't kill me.

I would prefer he die immediately and have you (Visor) survive, but I don't know if anybody except me and you would go for it and I certainly don't have anymore credits to even force pressure on him. So at this point, the more people that die, technically the closer he is to being completely exposed.

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 08:25

Earthling has not been lynched twice and if he was seph he would probably be able to survive any night attack.

Visor

06-01-2011, 08:26

I have nothing. I was hoping to get some roleblock items and use them on someone tonight. I hate not being able to do anything. Please somebody, give me an item, so I can at least attempt something to be useful.

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 08:29

Visor

06-01-2011, 08:31

I suppose we are. And I doubt they'd give you or me anything though.

You bring a recent target, and me being suspect since I joined the thread.

naut

06-01-2011, 09:06

My thoughts.

BL and Kage. Please don't lynch on a hunch again. You have to tools to find whatever is left, so do so.
ACIN had 100 credits, how'd you get so many? Stealing? Hoarding?
Earthling is down-right unhelpful. Either he wants to be killed or he is WIFOMing scum. Interesting he only had 75 credits, at least that tells us one thing he does like a bluff.

Super-scan one of those two. Preferably Earthling, the sooner we know whether he is an unhelpful Evil character, a Chaotic, a Neutral or some other nefarious thing the better.

a completely inoffensive name

06-01-2011, 09:12

My thoughts.
ACIN had 100 credits, how'd you get so many? Stealing? Hoarding?
Yep! The bold one! I have a 10% vig kill item so I didn't need to spend credits on killing. I had got a good pile going then as I posted a couple of rounds ago, I got some credits stolen (something like 26 which is why my amount ends in a 4) and had to save up again, hence why I have 114.

Super-scan one of those two. Preferably Earthling, the sooner we know whether he is an unhelpful Evil character, a Chaotic, a Neutral or some other nefarious thing the better.
Go ahead and super scan me, shows that I am not neutral or a serial killer or any sort of anti-evil thing Earthling wants to paint me as.

naut

06-01-2011, 09:32

Just a reminder that we're all here to have fun. :sunny:

Please keep comments civil; it's in the rules you know.

Although this isn't my sub-forum, I'd like to echo the comments of my esteemed colleagues. This is only a game. We are all here to have fun. I think everyone (myself included) needs to step back, take a deep breath and remember that this is a friendly place. Yes, there is room for banter and friendly jesting, it's part of the fun of Mafia, but lets not make it a personal or callous affair.

Kagemusha

06-01-2011, 12:56

This round was epitomy of epic fail. The duo offered for lynch couldnt have been more wrong. Hopefully this mistake can be remedied during the night. Gah!

Greyblades

06-01-2011, 13:18

I dont suppose you could tell us what the blacksmith smiley meant?

Kagemusha

06-01-2011, 13:33

I dont suppose you could tell us what the blacksmith smiley meant?

Items!:yes:

Earthling

06-01-2011, 18:07

Kage I'd like to hear more on what you are trying to coordinate. BL and Roman again are choosing arcane vig and scan targets and never discussing it with anyone but I thought you'd do better when you got revived. Why did you want Visorslash dead so badly - you told us to vig-kill him rather than Skooma but never answered back on why, and both me and Beefy ended up going after Skooma and you didn't even tell us about that overlap either.

Visorslash, you're also lying, you have something around 100 credits that you've been stealing from people, you said so in thread. Yet you say you have "nothing to do." If you're not scum/neutral yourself, perhaps the single best thing you can do is take those credits and kill somebody else suspicious first, like ACIN. Killing me is a better call than you doing nothing, because either way we get a suspect using credits and we possibly see you in the writeup. If you kill a chaotic first you save your own skin and possibly the town's. Because otherwise people are going to kill you, Visorslash, off as you are still a suspect too. If people agree it's feasible sending you to purchase a full roleblock on Seon is also possible, but you don't have "nothing to do" when you've been hoarding credits and everyone knows it.

Romanic

06-01-2011, 19:33

Blah.

We didn't believe Psychonaut's story of failing to vig six times in a row at 20% (from N1 to N6) then succeeding three in a row (from N7 to N9). We also had a way to catch him lying more if he had answered my last questions about his N8 actions, but he never did. His voting record was suspicious and he never bothered to make a case on anyone else, never voted this round, and simply stated we had the wrong guy because he was seen killing in the writeups.

We know two kills per night, by the same player, is possible, so appearing in the writeup is not proof that someone is not a killer.

So Psychonaut was our best case, and we were wrong. It happens, let's move on. Sorry Psychonaut. :embarassed:

Earthling

06-01-2011, 22:01

Mathematically ACIN's claimed vig hits are equally as suspicious, far more successful than he should be, and we don't know about any of his other actions or goals or talent, plus his votes have never been stellar. If you could somehow get Visorslash, the remaining South Park, to cough up who his faction rivals are finally that would be great.

It is a little frustrating that Kage has like three roleblock items, three defender items, and a couple vigilante items and obviously can't use all of them. I don't know what's been passed onto between you three (Kage, Roman, BL) though.

As for something else related, think I counted right, and looking at some items:

dcmort was an Innocent vigilante
BRay was an Innocent vigilante
Psychonaut was an Innocent vigilante
Bow-wow-wow was an Innocent vigilante
Death is Yonder was an Innocent vigilante
Ironside was an Innocent vigilante
Blackadder2 was an Innocent vigilante
YLC was an Innocent vigilante

Jolt was a neutral vigilante, he got voted an item rather than one of his own but presumably had another talent/ability on that

Among living players:
mythmonster/khaan had a vigilante item, Renata stole it
Backwards Logic has a hidden talent for vigilante-ing
Romanic has a vigilante item
Beefy is a vigilante, ability-based presumably
ACIN has a vigilante item

It might be worth numbering off many of the items that we know of in other categories, considering there seem to be around 10 or so each of vigilante, roleblock, bulletproof, retaliatory, and scan items obviously at 1 per faction, then a few of the more unusual bus driver and defender items not counting rare, unique, or chaotic items.

When I went and made this list actually surprised at how many items in total have come up, especially vigilantes as that's mostly not even counting unknown people who also had hidden talents for vigging.

I think the vigilante setup is the most interesting of all though. So, now, what were the dead chaotics?
-Diamondeye was a scanner
-God Emperor was a reviver, seems to have passed on items to a partner before his lynch so harder to say what his cover role did
-Seon also didn't live long enough to really tell what his cover role was "supposed to do", maybe self-defense as he had a retaliatory item
-Chaotix was a lover plus he had a retaliatory item, maybe self-defense theme again.

As for other serial killers/neutrals:
-Renata was a thief and protector
-ARPThis was a busdriver and silencer
-Blackadder was bulletproof
-Beskar was bulletproof
(Jolt was also bulletproof as one of his own items)

None of the chaotics have been found with a roleblock (we also have a lot of dead Innocent roleblockers we could list, and really we already know who that points back to being suspicious) or a vigilante item or talent as far as I could see. That simply doesn't sit right at all considering roleblock and vigilante are two of the most common items. And considering that it makes sense the chaotics are less likely to have, say, a bulletproof (all neutrals did in retrospect which is interesting) and it would really be expected they would have those other types of items and abilities.

So it's interesting that the pattern of vig items does not seem at all balanced between factions nor the Innocents and non-Innocents in general. I think it's doubtful that none of the chaotics had a vigilante cover role, especially considering who we have left, and roleblocking is also a possibility to look over.

Beefy and khaan both seem to check out as Innocent vigs and the chaotic on that team wasn't one of the chaotics who was commonly killing, besides the dead players now that continues to make more sense to me.

I have to question why there seem to have been four vigilantes on the Evil Mafia faction - YLC, Roman, ACIN, and BL with a hidden talent, if you supposed they are all Innocent, the same personal goal to "use their item" for at least a couple and so on. Combined with the lack of cover for any chaotics or serial killer, and Jolt is maybe questionable, do we believe that all the vigilantes have been Innocent the entire time? For that matter I have to wonder, as almost all of the above people's items except what Renata ran off with, have been voted to this group of Innocents, why we haven't been having more near 100% successes at the various actions possible. BL, have you been doing something silly like letting nearly 100% worth of vigilante items go entirely to waste while you are scanning as also an item-based ability?

Renata

06-01-2011, 23:23

:curtain:

Askthepizzaguy

06-02-2011, 04:08

I will be away from my computer for maybe half a day. Will be back in time for the writeup. Answered your questions you sent me; sorry for a delay on further answers if you have further questions.

TTYL

Earthling

06-02-2011, 05:38

In the continuing series, of questions being ignored again and again, but maybe some posts links would help, I'd like to again discuss Visorslash and the Lovers business. ACIN has been discussed and all of Renata's valid posts I already linked even if no one will read them, this time I got a couple of quotes right here that are worth looking at too. We all know Visorslash has been ignoring this forever, I would like to hear from other townies on their thoughts unless you've decided to vig-kill Visorslash anyway, but still disappointing if you know stuff and are mistakenly not making it public.

There are other people worth entrusting it to, you do realise that? I don't trust you, Renata or ACIN. I trusted Autolycus and Backwards Logic.

Believer also has my trust.

Forget the PM, Visor, you can say it in public -- why did you imply to me earlier today that Believer was a huge suspect of yours? I quote:

"I suggest you put pressure on Believer."

Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.

I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)

Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy

So whatever happened to all of this, again, especially the first part.

As far as I can tell there was never any follow up, not on Visorslash answering Renata's questions, nor the "mysterious people Visorslash trusts" and why he believed certain people were town, nor his connections to Believer, until he suddenly tries to convince everyone to nightkill Believer.

I'd like to ask BL, Roman, and Kage to reveal whatever Visorslash told them about the Lovers situation. The case on Visorslash being scum requires this as evidence. If he's a scum, we'd have to conclude he purposefully sold out Chaotix on this Lovers business and the Lovers being a third party who could have some different victory explains why there were two scum on the South Park Mafia and the conflict there. If we don't believe the evidence adds up about Visorslash and the Lovers might as well not make him a primary suspect right now.

Here's the reasoning on what we see from Visorslash. Let's also ask BESKAR and any other dead out there who are still interested, what they think too, more voices can't hurt.

1. Visorslash did not figure anything out about the "Lovers" on his own, without insider info, that's bogus. Chaotix would not have told Visorslash anything about his Lovers goal if Visorslash was a townie. Red_Spy never even posted or did anything. So how did Visorslash learn about the Lovers as neither of them would have ever talked to him in private or told him anything if he's a townie?
2. Instead, Visorslash is chaotic scum. Around the time it happened in game, he and the chaotics happened to realize or decide that Chaotix was a risk for converting away from the chaotic team and potentially causing them huge trouble.
3. Visorslash heard from Believer that Believer was "looking for somebody as a personal goal" - this is true and is what Visorslash said Believer said. However, Visorslash's actions do not make sense if he was a townie, because Believer would also have known nothing about the Lovers and therefore not told Visorslash anything about that. Instead, Visorslash comes screaming that the Lovers are about to win, they have to be stopped, and he himself might get killed over it. The last part is also interesting, if Visorslash was just a townie, one would think Chaotix and his friends might very well have wanted to kill Visorslash one of those couple of nights to possibly spare Chaotix while they could.
4. So Visorslash mistakenly thought that Believer was a Lover and goes all out against him. As he knows one Lover actually exists, his chaotic ally Chaotix, he knows his case is partly accurate, and thinks that "catching" Believer will score huge for making him look like a good guy and removing the chance the chaotic team loses Chaotix as a member. The shaky logic that "I'm looking for somebody" leads to "The Lover team is a huge threat and is about to win" is justified because he knows Chaotix is a Lover and might be getting close to breaking free of the chaotic team, so he doesn't question that Believer is a completely harmless and unrelated townie.
5. Believer is not a Lover, Chaotix gets mad on the day of his lynch and tries to cut deals on selling out the chaotics, and Visorslash ignores any questions and refuses to comment on this the rest of the game. He tries to stay out of the spotlight, doesn't act like a townie, doesn't come forward to help his fellow and only remaining faction ally who you'd think a townie would have at least some vested interest in and might know enough to confirm stories.

We need to hear from Visorslash on what he'd say now, any explanation is a start, but we also need to know what he said before, about Believer, that convinced Psychonaut to vig-kill Believer etc... Because he's not in the clear without a good explanation of everything in advance that sounds very townie, whatever that could be, some story about killing the South Park faction enemies and the South Parkers were warned about the "Lovers" as a group so he knew somebody was around and so on. This has to have been what he told BL and Roman and everyone in advance though, we need to know his actual story there.

So my strong recommendation right now is that ACIN and Visorslash are our two vig targets tonight. We should have at least two vigs, Beefy and BL/Roman with items, of good chance of success - I don't mind third attempts at low chances of course but can't know those will work and have to prioritize, blocks or scans on others are available. If we can get Greyblades/Visorslash to spend their own credits on something let em go at that is still my view too, much better than if they do nothing we know of or can prove anyway.

I'd really like to hear what people are thinking about factions and Greyblades too. There's no excuse for not having thought about this so many of you are just not commenting. Do we think there were two chaotic scum on the Psychotic faction, or a chaotic on the Space Mafia on top of Renata and Jolt? Both of those I consider really unlikely, but then we move onto ACIN and Visorslash as the only two real candidates here.

Visor

06-02-2011, 07:05

So whatever happened to all of this, again, especially the first part.
Oh joy. Another text wall.

As far as I can tell there was never any follow up, not on Visorslash answering Renata's questions, nor the "mysterious people Visorslash trusts" and why he believed certain people were town, nor his connections to Believer, until he suddenly tries to convince everyone to nightkill Believer.
I was trying to trick Believer, but, he wasn't active. I explained that to Renata. I believe certain people are town because of actions and words. And yes, I wanted everyone to nightkill Believer.

I'd like to ask BL, Roman, and Kage to reveal whatever Visorslash told them about the Lovers situation. The case on Visorslash being scum requires this as evidence. If he's a scum, we'd have to conclude he purposefully sold out Chaotix on this Lovers business and the Lovers being a third party who could have some different victory explains why there were two scum on the South Park Mafia and the conflict there. If we don't believe the evidence adds up about Visorslash and the Lovers might as well not make him a primary suspect right now.
Okay, this I don't understand. I would sell out my partner to the town, attempt to organise vigilante killings and roleblocks on my partner for what exactly? You're making no sense (again).

Here's the reasoning on what we see from Visorslash. Let's also ask BESKAR and any other dead out there who are still interested, what they think too, more voices can't hurt.
Oh yes, Beskar the detective who sees things before they happen, and when he is wrong, it never happened? So helpful right now.

1. Visorslash did not figure anything out about the "Lovers" on his own, without insider info, that's bogus. Chaotix would not have told Visorslash anything about his Lovers goal if Visorslash was a townie. Red_Spy never even posted or did anything. So how did Visorslash learn about the Lovers as neither of them would have ever talked to him in private or told him anything if he's a townie?
Ah what? I did figure it out on my own. Chaotix never told me.

2. Instead, Visorslash is chaotic scum. Around the time it happened in game, he and the chaotics happened to realize or decide that Chaotix was a risk for converting away from the chaotic team and potentially causing them huge trouble.
While I do believe it that Chaotix could convert (A little bit) with the item, this argument means nothing at all.

3. Visorslash heard from Believer that Believer was "looking for somebody as a personal goal" - this is true and is what Visorslash said Believer said. However, Visorslash's actions do not make sense if he was a townie, because Believer would also have known nothing about the Lovers and therefore not told Visorslash anything about that. Instead, Visorslash comes screaming that the Lovers are about to win, they have to be stopped, and he himself might get killed over it. The last part is also interesting, if Visorslash was just a townie, one would think Chaotix and his friends might very well have wanted to kill Visorslash one of those couple of nights to possibly spare Chaotix while they could.
STOP MAKING STUFF UP FOR CRISSAKE! He NEVER said it was for a personal goal. NEVER. I don't even know what to say about the last part.

4. So Visorslash mistakenly thought that Believer was a Lover and goes all out against him. As he knows one Lover actually exists, his chaotic ally Chaotix, he knows his case is partly accurate, and thinks that "catching" Believer will score huge for making him look like a good guy and removing the chance the chaotic team loses Chaotix as a member. The shaky logic that "I'm looking for somebody" leads to "The Lover team is a huge threat and is about to win" is justified because he knows Chaotix is a Lover and might be getting close to breaking free of the chaotic team, so he doesn't question that Believer is a completely harmless and unrelated townie.
What?

5. Believer is not a Lover, Chaotix gets mad on the day of his lynch and tries to cut deals on selling out the chaotics, and Visorslash ignores any questions and refuses to comment on this the rest of the game. He tries to stay out of the spotlight, doesn't act like a townie, doesn't come forward to help his fellow and only remaining faction ally who you'd think a townie would have at least some vested interest in and might know enough to confirm stories.
What?

We need to hear from Visorslash on what he'd say now, any explanation is a start, but we also need to know what he said before, about Believer, that convinced Psychonaut to vig-kill Believer etc... Because he's not in the clear without a good explanation of everything in advance that sounds very townie, whatever that could be, some story about killing the South Park faction enemies and the South Parkers were warned about the "Lovers" as a group so he knew somebody was around and so on. This has to have been what he told BL and Roman and everyone in advance though, we need to know his actual story there.

What the....?

So my strong recommendation right now is that ACIN and Visorslash are our two vig targets tonight. We should have at least two vigs, Beefy and BL/Roman with items, of good chance of success - I don't mind third attempts at low chances of course but can't know those will work and have to prioritize, blocks or scans on others are available. If we can get Greyblades/Visorslash to spend their own credits on something let em go at that is still my view too, much better than if they do nothing we know of or can prove anyway. '

I stronly recommend you DON'T Vig kill me. It's a waste. Kill Earthling, or ACIN or Greyblades, sure. Especially Earthling.

I'd really like to hear what people are thinking about factions and Greyblades too. There's no excuse for not having thought about this so many of you are just not commenting. Do we think there were two chaotic scum on the Psychotic faction, or a chaotic on the Space Mafia on top of Renata and Jolt? Both of those I consider really unlikely, but then we move onto ACIN and Visorslash as the only two real candidates here.

I think we should kill you.

Earthling

06-02-2011, 07:10

You bothered to quote the whole post and not address a single thing. Really?

Tell me what you told Backwards Logic, Psychonaut, whomever else before. Quote the PMs that were sent if you must be lazy since that would be allowed, or summarize if you want to bother.

Because we're still missing the gap:

"Believer was looking for somebody for a personal goal"

to

"Visorslash knows that the Lover team is out there and fears their imminent victory, and Believer must die."

You can't possibly claim Chaotix told you in private about the Lovers, not if you are Innocent, as Chaotix was scum. Red_Spy did not either, he was inactive. Your explanation is sorely lacking.

You might have an explanation, I'm making that clear, but if anything Kage and others already wanted you dead more than other vigilante targets in private so your explanation probably never was sufficient. I simply don't know what you told people in advance about Believer because you didn't tell me. If you can answer this and cooperate you could demonstrate you aren't scum, that's what a townie should do.

a completely inoffensive name

06-02-2011, 07:11

Making stuff up is what he does Visor. I suggest you don't do what me and MRD did and spend the time debunking everything he says, it just gets your heart rate up and drains you of 16 hours that you could be enjoying life. He knows what he is doing because he is chaotic himself.

EDIT: Note how he always argues as if he is in a position of power. "Tell me this." "I want to know."

Also he like to define what it is to act like a "townie". Clearly giving out all the information to him, a nobody, is what a townie would do after telling all this information to the 3 people who are actually important.

He is crafty with his psychology.

Visor

06-02-2011, 07:43

Visor

06-02-2011, 08:01

You bothered to quote the whole post and not address a single thing. Really?

How about this: You list the questions you want me to answer. No mumbojumbo.

Diamondeye

06-02-2011, 12:09

How about this: You list the questions you want me to answer. No mumbojumbo.

1: Are you scum?
2: Are you sure?
3: You can tell us.
4: We won't hold it against you.
5: We just need the truth and this could all be over.
6: You're fond of your family, right?
7: Don't want anything "bad" happening to them?
8: Do you know what "nemesis" means?
9: Are you scum?
10: Is the earth round?
11: Is the sky blue?
12: Are the starts shining?
13: Are you scum?
14: Are you sure?
etc...

Earthling

06-02-2011, 18:57

How about this: You list the questions you want me to answer. No mumbojumbo.

1. What did you send, verbatim, to people before Believer was killed to try to convince them to kill Believer?

2. Who is the "mysterious source" you kept claiming told you about stuff and told you other people were Innocent for no reason?

Backwards Logic

06-02-2011, 19:31

Hey Earthling: fun fact!

Psychonaut killed Believer, which as you can see through the thread, was acting independently from the block of myself, Kage, and Romanic! So like, he didn't *us* to go kill Believer. You also seem to forget he was also calling for Chaotix's head as well, which as you may have noticed, was Chaotic!

Wowwie!

Earthling

06-02-2011, 20:04

Hey BL: fun fact!

Visorslash said he sent nearly everybody the same reasons for killing Believer, so you were sent the same reasons as Psychonaut, whatever they were.

Also, you didn't bother to read, because the whole point for discussion is that Chaotix would have been sold out by his teammates on purpose because they feared him converting away from the chaotic team.

I'm sure you're happy that you're going to murder Greyblades to accomplish your faction goals though, rather than going after a better chaotic target! :laugh:

Diamondeye

06-02-2011, 21:12

Also, you didn't bother to read, because the whole point for discussion is that Chaotix would have been sold out by his teammates on purpose because they feared him converting away from the chaotic team.

:laugh4:

Backwards Logic

06-02-2011, 21:20

And you're missing the point we didn't tell Pyschonaut to go kill him. You keep insinuating we did. You're also assuming Pychonaut killed Believer for the reason Visorslash presented - he was 'about to win.' Nowhere did Pyschonaut give this reasoning for killing Believer, if you recall, Psychonaut has/had a track record of killing lurking inactives. Surely, that reason would have come up when myself and others were pestering him for details.

Because we're still missing the gap:

"Believer was looking for somebody for a personal goal"

to

"Visorslash knows that the Lover team is out there and fears their imminent victory, and Believer must die."

This gap was filled with Chaotix's cuckoo and Queen of Hearts reveal. About a week prior, Believer contacted Visorslash asking if he was someone he was looking for, and asked him to do a soft reveal. Once Chaotix made the post, Visor connected some things together - Chaotix playing Marco-Polo and Believer's previous question from a week prior got the wheels spinning that the lover's could exist, and that these were the two looking for each other. Quite frankly, it's a reasonable conclusion that doesn't involve Chaotix revealing anything directly to Visorslash.

I got PM's from Visor basically asking to roleblock or vig both of them. I think if he was going down the 'throw Chaotix under the bus route,' he would have pushed a lot harder to have Chaotix killed. Why? Well, if he's going to eliminate a threat to convert away from the Chaotic team, you kill the dude already on it, not the guy that could be the one Chaotix is looking for. One, it's a more permanent solution - if he's dead, he ain't converting away from you to reveal the rest of the team and Two, he'd gain massive townie points with everyone for basically bringing down a Chaotic. Sure, you could leave him alive and hope Believer was in fact the one Chaotix was looking for, but since the kills haven't dropped any since his death, it's reasonable to conclude Chaotix was not a killer and thus, expendable.

That all said, there is some fairly wacky wording in the PM's, namely "And if they find each other, I fear they may beat the Angel." Given Angel = Sephiroth (though it wasn't totally obvious at the time), I just think it's an interesting choice of words and something does feel off. If someone could maybe elaborate further (my head hurts...), I'd appreciate it.

Diamondeye

06-02-2011, 22:53

I think you should focus on correcting Earthling whenever he's wrong or deliberately misinterpreting things. You have 85 pages to sort through, just pick an end and get started.

I am glad to see you are still taking advice from the dead.

Greyblades

06-02-2011, 23:16

Can we please save the walls of text for the day phase.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 05:31

I'm sure you're happy that you're going to murder Greyblades to accomplish your faction goals though, rather than going after a better chaotic target! :laugh:

Blah blah blah Earthling. Your theories are boring everyone. Unlike you, we knew last night that Greyblades was the remaining Space Mafia, and he's still alive.

If you're Town, we'll be happy to compare achievements from the Town network with yours, to see if you're so good and if we're doing so bad. It's trivial though, you can't compete: We've revived two innocents and caught at least two chaotics with BL's scan while you were self-protecting, stealing credits from townies and annoying everyone with your posts. So give us a break with your conspiracy theories. :smug2:

Romanic

06-03-2011, 06:00

bet: 125 credits on Kagemusha!!!!

Romanic

06-03-2011, 06:02

I got it in time, 1:00 flush. Heehee.

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 06:42

I wanted this next day phase to start off on a light comical note to remind everyone that this is just a game and we are having fun, but while I was typing up my post, I found that one of our players has committed a serious infraction of the game rules.

I am sorry to report this but I have evidence that Kage has communicated with others while he was supposed to be silenced during the last day phase. Exhibit A is shown right here:

One more working day and then my four week Summer vacation starts!:holiday2:

I found this in the backroom where as seen from the time posted, he was clearly still within the day period of silence. Unfortunately the implications of this could change the entire game structure since such release of info could be game breaking.

If you follow the link to the thread in question, you can see that I attempted to inform him of his rule infraction, upon which he defiantlylaughed in my face completely disregarding any sort respect to the supreme mafia laws that we have all pledged to adhere to.

I expect this matter to be handled by ATPG immediately and for appropriate but fair action to be taken.

Now it only remains to be seen what kind of info he was attempting to leak in thread. One more working day? Gee, I wonder what that means. Hmm who has been working really hard in this game? Then a four week vacation, hmmm according to the info that I am pulling out of my *** here, the next mafia game doesn't start until 4 weeks after this one ends.

Omg.....Kage is Seph!

Visor

06-03-2011, 07:37

It's nightime right?

Askthepizzaguy

06-03-2011, 07:44

NIGHT TEN

I can feel the animal inside
My resolve is weakening
Pounding on the doors of my mind
Its nearly overpowering
I cannot begin to describe
The hunger that I feel again
Run if you intend to survive
For the beast is coming to life

Taking more than a glimmer of this tainted moonlight
Death approaches on this night

For the animals soul is mine
We will be completed right before your eyes
I have no control this time
And now we both shall dine in Hell tonight

I can feel the calling again
The primal need is filling me
Changes are about to begin
And now my blood is boiling
I can see the fear in your eyes
But you cant bring yourself to scream
Time to shed the mortal disguise
The beast is coming to life
Taking more than a glimmer of this tainted moonlight
Death approaches on this night

For the animals soul is mine
We will be completed right before your eyes
I have no control this time
And now we both shall dine in Hell tonight

We begin the hunt tonight
Til the power courses the creatures take flight
When the kill is close and I will be satisfied
For the smell of fear tonight
Wakes an ancient lust that will not be denied
You're mine

For the animals soul is mine
We will be completed right before your eyes
I have no control this time
And now we both shall dine in Hell tonight

For the animals soul is mine
And the world around will never hear your cries
An unholy crime
And now we both shall dine in Hell tonight

-- Disturbed

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Visorslash knew it was coming, but he wasn't worried at all. After all, he had been to Hell before.... over and over again, it seemed. Where was he gonna go, Detroit?

He was a bit surprised by the masked figure when it showed up, wielding a fearsome, powerful weapon.... a Killer Rabbit wielding a chainsaw.

Visorslash: "Hey, RELAX GUY! Take a rest! Look over there! Don't kill me... I'm Saddam Hussein. Nobody kills me, baby. Now get that butt back to bed!"

The ferocious rabbit lunged, and took Visor's realistic head clean off of the shoulders of his construction paper body.

Visorslash: "OW, that smarts! But don't worry, I'll be back! We're already in Hell.... where am I gonna go, Detroit?"

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greaterkhaan was....

makaikhaan was.....

seireikhaan was.....

shinseikhaan was....

Yaseikhaan was....

issaikhaan was busy changing his name for the umpteenth time, when he was attacked by a vampire wielding a medieval spiked mace, and he was bludgeoned until he was unrecognizable. The killer with black wings began to feast on the heart of fallen khaan, to gain his courage.

His rich and tasty courage...

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Backwards Logic was prepared, he knew he would be attacked. It was only a matter of time. And so, he put on The Suit. It was the last suit he would ever wear.... again.

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The Tanooki suit filled the Fire Brother with the power of the Mario brothers.... the strange, strange power to look like a raccoon and turn into a stone statue. It was really an awesome power, but surely the Hammer Brothers suit would be an even better.... oh wait, he was already a Fire Brother.

He could turn to stone, shoot fire, and he could fly. He was nearly invincible with power, and so when the one-winged Angel approached, holding a massive, slender blade, Backwards Logic knew just what to do!

He sprang into action, and with a running start, he flew up high into the sky, and began raining fiery death down upon the scarred Angel. Then, he turned into stone and tried to flatten the Angel like a missile.

The Angel quickly jumped out of the way, and spun quickly to decapitate the Super Tanooki Fire Brother Stone Statue... thing. But the blade just made a loud clattering noise as it struck the invulnerable statue.

Inwardly, Backwards Logic chuckled. There was nothing Sephiroth could do to destroy him.... no.... nothing at all.

Sephiroth struck with his Masamune, again, and again, barely chipping the solid stone form. Backwards Logic was indeed bulletproof.

It was then that Sephiroth lifted the statue high into the sky using his magic, and summoned hot, searing gasses in a massive sphere around Backwards Logic. It was all the Fire Brother could do to hold his statue form and not take any damage. The gasses grew hotter, and hotter, and eventually they ignited and began burning with the sheer intensity of a thousand stars.

Backwards Logic maintained the solid, invulnerable form for as long as he could, but the form began to flicker.... after all, the Tanooki Suit could only hold its form as a statue for so long before you needed to breathe....

The gasses collapsed, shattering the stone statue in a violent SUPERNOVA.

The flickering, stunned body of the Fire Brother fell from the sky, and just as the momentary invulnerability wore off, he was impaled along the deadly Masamune.

In his final moments, he watched Sephiroth hold up the 7 of Hearts card. The card began to burn, as did the body of Fire Brother.... hot enough to make even the Fire Brother scream in agony.

Sephiroth's blade vanished, and in his hands he held the remaining 8 cards. A grin crept slowly over his scarred face, as the METEOR continued hurtling toward the remnants of the city.

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Summary of events:

Visorslash has been murdered!

Visorslash was Saddam Hussein, of the South Park Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Saddam.png

Visorslash was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/41.png

4 of Clubs

issaikhaan has been murdered!

issaikhaan was Pyramid Head, of the Psychotic Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/AlessasWrath.png

issaikhaan was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/2.png

Ace of Spades

Backwards Logic has been murdered!

Backwards Logic was Fire Brother, of the Evil Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Fire.png

Backwards Logic was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/31.png

7 of Hearts

Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six

Alive Players- (8/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
Romanic
Winston Hughes

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine
Link- Monty Burns [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) King of Spades
shlin28- Boomerang Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Diamonds
Subotan- Anthony Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 9 of Clubs
Skooma Addict- Fluffy Bunny [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia!?! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122738-SPEED-MAFIA%21-%21)) 4 of Hearts
TheFluffyOne93- Advice Dog [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119574-SPEED-MAFIA%21)) 5 of Hearts
-------------Night Nine
Psychonaut- Manbearpig [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 9 of Spades
-------------Day Ten
Visorslash- Saddam Hussein [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233844)) 4 of Clubs
issaikhaan- Pyramid Head [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (Silent Hill (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=377137)) Ace of Spades
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
-------------Night Ten

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The South Park Mafia has been eliminated!

Vote now on the following items.

10% bulletproof chance. (Super Cereal)
40% bus driver chance. (transporter pad)
80% bulletproof chance. (Tanooki Suit)
20% investigatory chance. (Jedi Holocron, allows you to learn more about someone) FACTION SCANNING ITEM
100% ???? (White Eyes)

BEGIN DAY ELEVEN.

Maximum wager is 110 credits.

Round will conclude at 0100, June 5th, local time for Florida USA.

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 07:44

It's nightime right?

No, it should have ended tonight.

Visor

06-03-2011, 07:46

Earthling, WRITE EVERY DAMN POST OF YOURS BY HAND! NOW!

Toldya I wasn't scum.

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 07:50

Earthling, WRITE EVERY DAMN POST OF YOURS BY HAND! NOW!

Toldya I wasn't scum.

Yep, it is time for him to die. He has shown how wrong he is again. We can't let him get away this time, if he has the ability to kill BL, then it is only a matter of time before he and Seon kills off enough people for a credit victory.

Visor

06-03-2011, 07:54

Or you. I believe you are one of our probable suspects.

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
I believe Romanic is town, dunno why he voted Kagemusha. And winston is town IMO as well.
It's a 5-2-1 or a 5-3, possibly? OR just a plain 6-2.

As fluffy said. Fight the scum brother. (And a revive would be good as well.)

Pity I'm dead.

Askthepizzaguy

06-03-2011, 07:55

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The South Park Mafia has been eliminated!

Visor

06-03-2011, 07:56

Damnit. I assume Kagemusha killed me? Lynch him boyos. :P

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 07:58

Or you. I believe you are one of our probable suspects.

I believe Romanic is town, dunno why he voted Kagemusha. And winston is town IMO as well.
It's a 5-2-1 or a 5-3, possibly? OR just a plain 6-2.

As fluffy said. Fight the scum brother. (And a revive would be good as well.)

Pity I'm dead.

Yes, I am a suspect. As I have told Kage, BL and Romanic in PM, I knew it was going to come down to me and Earthling. My record is superior, the evidence is on my side. My decisions throughout this game have been favorable towards me while Earthling likes to talk like a townie and yet has led everyone in the wrong direction time and time again. I am sure Earthling is going to appear soon with his lies and out of context quotes and we are going to have a rhetoric argument the likes of which the gameroom might never see again.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 08:02

Or you. I believe you are one of our probable suspects.

I believe Romanic is town, dunno why he voted Kagemusha. And winston is town IMO as well.
It's a 5-2-1 or a 5-3, possibly? OR just a plain 6-2.

As fluffy said. Fight the scum brother. (And a revive would be good as well.)

Pity I'm dead.
I'm not voting Kage, this vote was made during night time and I was joking. There's no reason to vote Kage when two murderers have been killing since Night 2 with Kage buried underground for many turns.

Also, I'm still waiting for my night result but it looks like my revive failed again, obviously shlin isn't back from the dead.

Askthepizzaguy

06-03-2011, 08:10

All results should be out. PM me if you have any problems or spot an error.

Visor

06-03-2011, 08:11

Well I am thinking ACIN or Earthling or Greyblades as possible suspects. I think Arpeg is town. (I agree with him that Subotan was a bad kill).

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Now you have a reason to revive me!

But obviously I can't say why.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 08:16

Earthling is Town alright. No way he's gonna piss away 100 credits in an attempt to lynch acin near the deadline unless it was to save Psychonaut from being lynched, and we know Psychonaut was Town. Earthling made this move because he believed acin was guilty, there's no other explanation. I'm having a very hard time accepting any other conclusion, such as Earthling making this play as SK or Chaotic, losing 100 credits when we're so close to the end and this money could have been enough to control the lynch.

As annoying as his style may be, he's on the good side, in my opinion.

Visor

06-03-2011, 08:22

Then either ACIN or Greyblades are the folks you want. OR both of them.

Major Robert Dump

06-03-2011, 08:24

I sure do love a good train wreck

Askthepizzaguy

06-03-2011, 08:25

I sure do love a good train wreck

It's quite the disaster, ain't it?

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 08:25

I sent a PM to Romanic, but then I figured why not just say out here so people don't get the wrong impression. Earthling knew I was going to bet large on him and he was afraid that me and Visor would out bet people and kill him because both me and Visor showed extreme contempt for him. He had to defang me of my credits. If we were both townies then that would be 175 town credits wasted, which is absolutely stupid from a town point of view.

Visor

06-03-2011, 08:27

If I wasn't dead...... I'd be able to tell you good folks a thing or two. GAH!

Oh well. ACIN or Greyblades. I'd go for Greyblades first.

Consider it a FoS from hell.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 08:27

Well then here's my private answer:

If this was his idea, he would not have waited until 1 minute to the deadline before placing that bet, as he couldn't be sure if you would have time to place yours. Clearly his intention was to lynch you, not having you spent your credits to save yourself.

Edit: crosspost, this was an answer to acin's last post.

Visor

06-03-2011, 08:29

Romanichine, who are you leaning towards?

Also, do you prefer Romanic or Romanichine?

Gonna be an interesting day.

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 08:33

Well hell, I might as well stop PMing you and just talk publicly.

This is what I sent to Romanic:

"No, he knew I was going to look out for that slimy move because I was looking out that slimy move. He knew that if I died, that the attention would still be shifted over to Psycho or Greyblades. He knew that you are still going to be operating under this assumption that he is as innocent as the blue sky. A assumption that apparently is working out for him. A guy that survived a lynch somehow is just some innocent townie.

Figures that BL died considering that he didn't want me super scanned."

EDIT: "he" in that last sentence means Earthling, not BL.

Askthepizzaguy

06-03-2011, 08:34

Here's the current tally:

LYNCH:

A completely inoffensive name: 0 (0, no one)
ArpeggiateTHIS2: 0 (0, no one)
Beefy187: 0 (0, no one)
Earthling: 0 (0, no one)
Greyblades: 0 (0, no one)
Kagemusha: 0 (0, no one)
Romanic: 0 (0, no one)
Winston Hughes: 0 (0, no one)

* 10% bulletproof chance. (Super Cereal)
No one- 0

* 40% bus driver chance. (transporter pad)
No one- 0

* 80% bulletproof chance. (Tanooki Suit)
No one- 0

* 20% investigatory chance. (Jedi Holocron, allows you to learn more about someone) FACTION SCANNING ITEM
No one- 0

* 100% ???? (White Eyes)
No one- 0

Please double check this tally for accuracy.

Glad to be of help. :bow:

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 08:36

So two scum still left and 8 people alive. We have to find scum or we will run out of time. I am going to Bet: 10 credits on Greyblades. It is simple process of elimination as we are running out of suspects. Vote: All items to Kagemusha.

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 08:38

EDIT: No wait, that was a previous PM from a couple night ago. Gotta clean out my folder.

EDIT: Don't want to flood the game with lots of posts with only 2-3 sentences so I will edit in another point here.

Say we kill Greyblades and he turns out to be innocent (I feel he is, since my bet is on Earthling fooling everyone) then how do we explain the second killer?

Romanic

06-03-2011, 08:46

Romanichine, who are you leaning towards?

Also, do you prefer Romanic or Romanichine?

Gonna be an interesting day.
No preference, but not everyone here on the ORG know of my longer name that I use on CFC and TWC, so I guess Romanic is best here. I've been thinking of changing it on the other sites anyway. Too many people are writing it wrong.

Who am I leaning toward? Strongly toward Beefy.

Visor

06-03-2011, 08:48

Well in defiance, I'm gonna call you Romanichine. :P

Why Beefy?

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 08:53

Who am I leaning toward? Strongly toward Beefy.

:wall:

At this point you are giving Earthling more time. But whatever, Beefy is kind of under the radar and didn't give a good reason for voting last time so I can understand that. Maybe he is the black wings killer.

My finals week officially starts on Monday with a chemistry final. I have a Calc final on Wednesday and a final on Thursday as well. Sunday I will not be on that much and for the rest of tonight I will be afk. I will be back friday (EDIT: which is tomorrow I guess, dang I need to study) to present my rebuttal's against Earthling who will no doubt rally against me with all of his might.

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 08:59

I dont support lynching Beefy at all. No we definetely should not lynch him.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 08:59

Why Beefy, let me quote a part of a PM I've sent last night, as I don't have time to do more right now.

The best voting record we have to find who could be chaotic is Day 6, when the DE vs Renata battle happened.

1408 dcmort 20 on Earthling
1409 dcmort fold
1419 Chaotix 1 on Renata -> (Renata 1)
1420 BL 10 on DE -> (DE 10, Renata 1)
1425 DE 60 on Renata -> (Renata 61, DE 10)
1429 Renata 10 on Greyblades -> (Renata 61, DE 10, Grey 10)
1435 GE 5 on khaan
1444 Greyblades 30 on Renata -> (Renata 91, DE 10)
1447 Yaseikhaan 40 on Renata -> (Renata 131, DE 10)
1452 shlin 5 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 15, DE 10)
1455 Romanic 60 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 75, DE 10)
1469 dcmort 30 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 105, DE 10)
1470 Greyblades raises 20 on Renata -> (Renata 151, Grey 105, DE 10)
1537 DIY 25 on Greyblades -> (Renata 151, Grey 130, DE 10)
1540 Psychonaut 22 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 151, DE 10)
1542 Greyblades raises 1 on Renata -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 152, DE 10)
1546 Psychonaut raises 10 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 162, Renata 152, DE 10)
1557 Bow-wow-wow 20 on Renata -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 162, DE 10)
1597 Renata fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 152, DE 20)
1602 Psychonaut fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 120, DE 20)
1603 Romanic fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 60, DE 20)
1611 Greyblades fold, & 51 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 71, Greyblades 60)
1612 Visorslash 40 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 111, Greyblades 60)
1615 shlin fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 121, Greyblades 55)
1620 Earthling 3 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 124, Greyblades 55)
1623 acin 60 on DE -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1626 Fluffy 15 on Renata -> (DE 184, Renata 146, Greyblades 55)
1628 Fluffy fold -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1635 DIY fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 194, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1638 Visorslash raise 10 on DE -> (DE 204, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1639 BL raise 50 on DE -> (DE 254, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1640 khaan fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 264, Renata 91, Greyblades 30)
1642 Bow-wow-wow remove 20 from Renata -> (DE 264, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1644 Skooma 10 on DE -> (DE 274, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1646 Earthling fold -> (DE 271, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1651 Visorslash remove 35 from DE -> (DE 236, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1653 Fluffy 27 on Renata -> (DE 236, Renata 98, Greyblades 30)

*****

acin looks non-Chaotic after his #1623 bet, turning the tide.
Greyblades looks clean. If #1611 is bussing, it's gutsy.
Visorslash looks clean after his voting spray on DE, specially #1612 closing the gap.
khaan was voting Renata, and moved to DE when it appeared inevitable. Interesting... and he's mythmonster's replacement. :smug2:
GE's one off vote on khaan (myth) stands out, but I'm revising my point of view about it since khaan looks suspicious. Maybe vigging GE is premature.

Unclear: Skooma & DIY, both could have bussed DE late in the day when the result could be predicted, especially Skooma.
[...]

Remaining players:

acin - turned the tide in Renata's favor on Day 6, unlikely chaotic.
ArpeggiateTHIS 2 - voted GE upfront on Day 9, unlikely chaotic.
Backwards Logic - No, revived.
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades - He's the last Space Mafia
Kagemusha - No, revived.
Romanic - No, I know about myself.
Visorslash - Probably not chaotic, for his D6 votes against DE, but maybe.
Winston Hughes - No, we can account for his two actions on Night 8 (unless the chaotics can perform three actions).
Yaseikhaan - No scanned last night.

So Earthling and Beefy.

Beefy's vote so far:
D1 - shlin 1 credit
D2 - Bow-wow-wow 2 credits
D3 - no vote
D4 - Major Robert Dump 10 credits
D5 - no vote
D6 - no vote
D7 - Diamondeye 1 credit
D8 - God Emperor 5 credits
D9 - God Emperor 10 credits
D10 - acin 10 credits

His D7 vote happened when DE was known chaotic (after he was revived).
His D8 vote on GE was made after Chaotix was revealed chaotic by BL, it was safe to vote his teammate, and could be a dissociating tactic.
His D9 vote happened when God Emperor was known chaotic (BL scan).
His D10 vote was a "me too" vote....

Bet 10 credit: ACIN

Romanics logiks seems to be logical.
I follow.
Nothing added, simply following someone else's case. Typically scummy.

I think it's a mistake to let Beefy live tonight, unless we scan him.

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 09:02

The last space mafia is not any kind of alibi. Also there is huge problem in your theory, because with it there is not a player left who might be the angel. I say we lynch Greyblades today.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 09:09

It's not only that Kage, look also at his vote on day 6 (#1611). As I said above, if Greyblades was bussing DE, it's a gutsy move.

vote transporter pad to Romanic
vote all other items to Kagemusha

As I told you privately Kage, you can't use the busdrive and the scan, so it's a waste to vote them all to you as you won't have time to transfer them for the night. I'm guessing you would prefer the scanning item, so I'll volunteer to get the busdrive as it is better than my 25% self defense and could also be used to protect someone else, but I'm fine with getting the scan if you prefer.

Romanic

06-03-2011, 09:34

bet: 10 credits on Greyblades

Being "convinced" by Kage that this is the proper course of action, and we deal with Beefy tomorrow.

Also, I still have my starting item, The Kobe Rats (+10% Vig) that I won't use anymore, so if someone wants it, just let me know (unless your name is Beefy).

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 09:36

Unvote items. and vote transporter pad to Romanic,
vote all other items to Kagemusha

Diamondeye

06-03-2011, 10:07

Consider it a FoS from hell.

I think the alive people are actually kind of in hell too.

As I said above, if Greyblades was bussing DE, it's a gutsy move.

:beam:

:curtain:

shlin28

06-03-2011, 11:31

Erm... does Kage really need another 90% worth of bulletproof-ness? At least give Romanic the 10% item...

As for suspects, I think Romanic's list needs a bit of editing.

acin - I agree
arpeg - He jumped a bit late onto the GE bandwagon, unless he voiced his suspicions re: GE beforehand? A quick glance through his posts didn't reveal anything.
Beefy - Definitely a suspect
Earthling - Definitely a suspect
Greyblades - His faction means nothing, we already have 1 faction with NO special roles, so a faction with 3 roles is definitely possible, especially as Renata's role COULD be seen as a special case.
Kage - Obvious
Romanic - Obvious
Winston Hughes - His actions can be accounted for? Do tell :yes:

Deal with Greyblades now, definitely.

Greyblades

06-03-2011, 13:52

What the fig? Good lord how can you lot be so bloody thick. You know what, screw it I've allready made my defense here;

If I was scum I wouldnt have gone through all that crud with reneta when I am fully capeable of being unnoticable for the majority of a game. Add that to actively trying to lynch a serial killer(reneta) and successfully lynching a chaotix(diamond eye) I am kinda annoyed that people are still hounding me especially seeing as I actually managed to get out of suspicion as a townie without doing something utterly stupid for once.
If it sways you, good for you, otherwise you deserve the ending you get. I'm giving all my items to Earthling just out of spite, you cant steal the things off him so easily.
Special mentions go to kagemusha for using me to roleblock earthling last night then turning on me today. Top notch.

*grumbes*One time I manage to prove my innocence without doing something stupid and its not enough for these people.*grumbles*

Visor

06-03-2011, 14:03

Now I'm dead, we're going after you. :P

Greyblades

06-03-2011, 14:06

I'm takling bets on how much they panic when I turn out town as well.

Visor

06-03-2011, 14:08

Kill Beefy.

shlin28

06-03-2011, 14:09

Okay, my previous post may have been incorrect now that I looked through that voting record. Earthling and Greyblades both voted DE before he was in the lead, so I guess the Chaotic must be one of Arpeg, Beefy or Winston. :embarassed:

Beefy is a good enough choice now I guess.

ArpeggiateTHIS

06-03-2011, 15:35

arpeg - He jumped a bit late onto the GE bandwagon, unless he voiced his suspicions re: GE beforehand? A quick glance through his posts didn't reveal anything.

If you'd have looked hard enough, you'd have seen me try to finger GE mid-game, saying that "his behaviour is strange". I believe Romanic replied to the post.

Regardless, here is my amended version of Romanic's list:

acin - maybe
arpeg - NO U
Beefy - Definitely a suspect
Earthling - Been in regular contact with, it's absurd to think he's a suspect.
Greyblades - maybe
Kage - Vanilla as cornetto
Romanic - I'll sleep with one eye open, I'd be quite surprised though.
Winston Hughes - maybe

In light of this: Bet 20 credits: Beefy

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 15:40

What the fig? Good lord how can you lot be so bloody thick. You know what, screw it I've allready made my defense here;

If it sways you, good for you, otherwise you deserve the ending you get. I'm giving all my items to Earthling just out of spite, you cant steal the things off him so easily.
Special mentions go to kagemusha for using me to roleblock earthling last night then turning on me today. Top notch.

*grumbes*One time I manage to prove my innocence without doing something stupid and its not enough for these people.*grumbles*

Can earthling confirm that he was roleblocked?

Greyblades

06-03-2011, 15:44

I doubt it because it failed. 10% doesnt realy go very far. Pity its irrelivant because you're a confirmed townie and roleblocking isnt exactly incriminating, I dont realy understand why you care if its proven or not.

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 16:20

As you must understand. I am just narrowing down suspects. Not exactly very easy job when people have couple night actions to use. We are not acting in any kind of unison, so please bring out anything that might help you to convince me that you are town.

Greyblades

06-03-2011, 18:09

Lets see, I turned up lynching a townie leader to lynch a chaotic when I had a fair chance of getting the town leader/serial-killer-about-to-win lynched... I'd say that is enough.

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 18:25

That sounds plausible. All right. Lets give you benefit of doubt and Fold and bet 10 on Winston Hughes. As far as i know we do not have any accoutability of your actions so far. Care to elaborate?

Earthling

06-03-2011, 18:37

Kage, can you explain what in the world you think clears ACIN? Do you know for sure of two night actions of his some night? Because several crucial nights - like Night Nine when we also had a silencing performed by the scum - he never did anything in the writeup, never claimed to do anything than a small percentage vig-attempt with an item. What is his alibi?

Visorslash, for the record, it appears you were killed by Beefy. No clue if that was under Kage/BL's/Romans orders. I love how this whole time it seems you'd been trying to get the Simpsons mafia killed off and your second rival was probably my faction but not sure. That actually makes sense in retrospect as you said multiple times you thought Chaotix was Springfield too and that might have contributed to you opposing Believer as well as this arguing about Kage getting items and stuff.

It'd be highly appreciated if we could get remaining living folks to reveal their faction enemies though. Kage - Springfield hates South Park and whom? Greyblades - Space must be a mutual rival with the Evil Mafia, and who else? And no clue at all on Psychotic, they could have been rivals of the already dead Cosa Nostra or something which we never got revealed. We might also work something out if people will reveal playing cards.

Now here's my thoughts on everyone people

-Winston and Arpegg can't be scum, Arpegg especially so with the point at the bottom here, unless something really weird went on with replacement players. They replaced people who had been gone and inactive for days and days. It's is maybe vaguely possible that GamezRule was an ultimate purposeful lurker, and was sending in night orders all the time and never posting, but that still seems unlikely. Unless somebody else was sending night orders for these people (ie. the chaotics were allowed to do this) it's crazy to think they are Sephiroth as the sole remaining chaotic. Plus with some of the replacements the "declaring dead townies can't be revived" is highly unlikely to have been done to gain a replacement player for a chaotic role.

-Roman, Kage are obvious. I know who I am personally so that makes my list for me.

-It's really wrong imo to think Greyblades is the sole remaining chaotic as Sephiroth. We really believe that Sephiroth, with more powers/godfatherness than the rest of the chaotics, Renata, and Jolt as a neutral killer were all on the same faction? And honestly if it was Greyblades at this point it would appear ridiculously gutsy that the chaotics decided to switch off of Renata to Diamondeye. They could have won the vote against Renata if they all chipped in (this is also extremely worth pointing out for other lynches too guys. Day Five is informative in that the chaotics sat back and didn't care. Day Two Chaotix had some votes on him that might be worth looking over though it was in large part the dead Innocent B_Ray's fault that YLC was lynched in the end.) Greyblades looks like a townie whose sole problem with Renata was her coming after him, justifiably in that Renata was wasting everyone's time and credits, and his faction is a huge deal at this point. If there are two scum he could be one of them, true, but I think that's still not the best place to start.

-Beefy has been vigging people at night all the time and should have an easy alibi if he ever did a second action, though I'd like to hear it. His vigilante-ing is presumably ability based which makes a chaotic kill, also ability based, unlikely at the same time. This point is actually important, if BL did something like transfer his vig items to Beefy and that explains why Beefy has been so successful recently and he's using an item-based action, then it doesn't rule out another ability. Though I think everyone is forgetting that one of his vig targets attacked the same person as a chaotic did - Blackwings against Blackadder2 iirc, that was never contradicted. It's really unlikely Beefy is coordinating with the chaotics in light of that if it's confirmed, attacking the same person as Blackwings wastefully, plus we caught a chaotic person on his faction already, plus he seems to have been working with BL/Roman for a long time, etc...

-That leaves ACIN of course. Other than a couple kills of Innocents with a claimed item... no excuses, we know nothing about him or what he's done. He claimed he was stolen from once before in thread actually, yet had huge amounts of credits and no further explanation where they came from. His scraps with several townies early on still look terrible, and lying at least a dozen times in the past Day to escape yesterday's lynch doesn't help.

If there are two remaining living scum, it's absurd to think ACIN is not one. Nobody on ACIN's six person faction is scum, not even neutral or anything, yet we'd expect multiple scum, or Renata plus Sephiroth, or something like that on other factions?

If there is one remaining scum, especially meaning that if the Seon theory is true, it's still just as likely it's ACIN.

bet: 10 credits on ACIN

Also, Kage and Roman, between you two you have what, 70-80% of vig items and 70-80% of roleblock items? Or maybe protection too? Is one of you really going to be able to use the bus driver and scanner? I'm ok with the idea of keeping it out of someone else's hands, if that's what you want, obvious for the bus driver, but I can't believe you can do all that and the bus driver and the scanner. The scanner should probably go to somebody who can actually use it as it can't do any harm.

Kagemusha

06-03-2011, 18:42

Dont worry Earthling items are being spread around. There is just 0% chance that we are going to tell in public who has and what.

Earthling

06-03-2011, 18:55

Except nobody other than you or Roman should have any of the items voted to BL or you the whole time. That's a huge problem, again if you did something like give Beefy the vigilante items and he's been killing with items rather than his own talents that invalidates a lot of what we know about him.

Diamondeye

06-03-2011, 20:58

I'm takling bets on how much they panic when I turn out town as well.

... At what odds? :laugh4:

Greyblades

06-03-2011, 21:03

They go into denial: 2-1
They lynch at random: 3-1
They lynch the confirmed townies 5-1
They manage to lynch earthling 10-1

Diamondeye

06-03-2011, 21:20

They go into denial: 2-1
They lynch at random: 3-1
They lynch the confirmed townies 5-1
They manage to lynch earthling 10-1

Can I bet 5 on "random" and another hopeful 5 on "earthling", please? :beam:

a completely inoffensive name

06-03-2011, 22:57

Kage, can you explain what in the world you think clears ACIN? Do you know for sure of two night actions of his some night? Because several crucial nights - like Night Nine when we also had a silencing performed by the scum - he never did anything in the writeup, never claimed to do anything than a small percentage vig-attempt with an item. What is his alibi?
Does every one need to be doing something every single night to escape suspicion? I think 80% of players in this game did nothing for the vast majority of nights. You talk a lot about alibi's and what actions they have done during the night when you have already recognized publicly that performing any sort of action at night doesn't mean they are not scum.

It'd be highly appreciated if we could get remaining living folks to reveal their faction enemies though. Kage - Springfield hates South Park and whom? Greyblades - Space must be a mutual rival with the Evil Mafia, and who else? And no clue at all on Psychotic, they could have been rivals of the already dead Cosa Nostra or something which we never got revealed. We might also work something out if people will reveal playing cards.
Yes, I am sure by spending all of our time trying to figure out ATPG's game of cards we can win this. All we have to do is wait for your interpretation of what they mean and we will totally win lol.

-It's really wrong imo to think Greyblades is the sole remaining chaotic as Sephiroth. We really believe that Sephiroth, with more powers/godfatherness than the rest of the chaotics, Renata, and Jolt as a neutral killer were all on the same faction?
Funny, from looking at your posting history you were claiming that it was Greyblades around the beginning of May. I like how you are still holding onto the fact that the factions mean anything because they are really the only thing you can manipulate in your favor easily. ATPG for all we know did a random.org selections of who was going to be who, specifically because he figured that having 1 bad guy in each faction is too neat and too easy for the evils. Spreadsheet victory's are probably impossible this game, just as ATPG probably designed it.

And honestly if it was Greyblades at this point it would appear ridiculously gutsy that the chaotics decided to switch off of Renata to Diamondeye. They could have won the vote against Renata if they all chipped in
Thank you for just confirming that I am innocent. I secured DE's death when I could have easily hammered the last nail into Renata's coffin since she was still ahead at the time I voted for DE.

(this is also extremely worth pointing out for other lynches too guys. Day Five is informative in that the chaotics sat back and didn't care. Day Two Chaotix had some votes on him that might be worth looking over though it was in large part the dead Innocent B_Ray's fault that YLC was lynched in the end.) Greyblades looks like a townie whose sole problem with Renata was her coming after him, justifiably in that Renata was wasting everyone's time and credits, and his faction is a huge deal at this point. If there are two scum he could be one of them, true, but I think that's still not the best place to start.
So he could very well be scum. But he isn't. Nice.

-Beefy has been vigging people at night all the time and should have an easy alibi if he ever did a second action, though I'd like to hear it. His vigilante-ing is presumably ability based which makes a chaotic kill, also ability based, unlikely at the same time. This point is actually important, if BL did something like transfer his vig items to Beefy and that explains why Beefy has been so successful recently and he's using an item-based action, then it doesn't rule out another ability. Though I think everyone is forgetting that one of his vig targets attacked the same person as a chaotic did - Blackwings against Blackadder2 iirc, that was never contradicted. It's really unlikely Beefy is coordinating with the chaotics in light of that if it's confirmed, attacking the same person as Blackwings wastefully, plus we caught a chaotic person on his faction already, plus he seems to have been working with BL/Roman for a long time, etc...
Of course, this could all be explained simply through careful planning by the chaotics to have blackwings attack as himself and with a vig item through a cover role but whatever, this apparently means that he is innocent? I have seen better evidence towards known chaotics being innocent.

-That leaves ACIN of course. Of course.

Other than a couple kills of Innocents with a claimed item... no excuses, we know nothing about him or what he's done.
No, you don't know what I have done. Big difference. Stop trying to push from a position of power when you have none.

He claimed he was stolen from once before in thread actually, yet had huge amounts of credits and no further explanation where they came from. His scraps with several townies early on still look terrible, and lying at least a dozen times in the past Day to escape yesterday's lynch doesn't help.
Lies. As I already informed Psycho publicly, I hoarded to the point that I could go on that show about hoarders. I didn't have to spend any money on kills because of my vig item and I am completely out of money because I had credits stolen from me earlier plus that 100 cred bet. That 100 credits was about 99% of what I had. You gonna tell me it is suspicious to have 100 credits after 9 days? If I had never lost any money like you claim I would still be swimming in credits right now.

If there are two remaining living scum, it's absurd to think ACIN is not one. Nobody on ACIN's six person faction is scum, not even neutral or anything, yet we'd expect multiple scum, or Renata plus Sephiroth, or something like that on other factions?
No, it is absurd to think you are not one. As I have said before, the evil faction could very well be an exception to your theory you keep pushing that there has to be one baddie on every team and we can just sit back and make charts to victory. This is a game of evil's. All the other factions are evilish but they are not pure evil. Thus there are disloyal members on them, AKA the chaotics, serial killers and Renata. Then there is a team among the evil's who are labeled the evil team. I'm sorry but I don't see how ATPG would make this that simple. He screws with us on purpose with these cards and you want to come along and say he gave a blueprint to victory?

If there is one remaining scum, especially meaning that if the Seon theory is true, it's still just as likely it's ACIN.
Nah, it is even more likely it is you. Your record sucks and all you do is make up shaky reasons and assert that you intuition must be right because you assert that you are innocent. I'm right because I am evil and I am evil because I am right. Pushing circular logic on everyone is going to catch up with you when it comes down to just you and me like I have been saying the past 2 days.

shlin28

06-03-2011, 23:24

BTW, the Bizzaros didn't have a single special role on their faction, so EVIL faction being fully entirely EVIL could very well be possible. ACIN is also most likely innocent due to his vote on DE when Renata was still ahead on Day 5 (or 6?).

Focus on Beefy or Winston! Endless back and forth with Earthling doesn't help at all. (Arpeg's explanation is good enough for now, but FoSing a team-mate is a common ploy though...)

Winston Hughes

06-03-2011, 23:27

That sounds plausible. All right. Lets give you benefit of doubt and Fold and bet 10 on Winston Hughes. As far as i know we do not have any accoutability of your actions so far. Care to elaborate?

I think I already explained what my predecessor got up to (ie. nothing of note, other than getting robbed for a big pile of credits). Since taking over I've done the following:

Night 6
1) attempted to protect myself with my unknown secret ability (failed)
2) spent 10 credits attempting to steal 40 from Psychonaut (failed)

Night 7
1) attempted to defend Romanic using my item (failed)
2) attempted to investigate Crazed Rabbit using my secret ability (failed)

At this point, I talked to Roman, who said not to bother trying to uncover my secret ability, and instead to focus on credit stealing, and using my item (which I needed to use successfully to complete my personal goal).

Night 8
1) spent 10 credits stealing from Psychonaut (successful, but only stole 8 credits)
2) used my item to protect Romanic (successful, but redirected and overcome by the attack, as seen in the thread; I assumed that this didn't count for my PG, but ATPG told me last night that it did, in fact, complete the goal)

Night 9
1) spent 10 credits stealing from Fluffy (successful)
2) used item to defend Romanic (failed)

Night 10
1) use my item to protect khaan (failed, but apparently I would not have prevented his death anyway)
2) spent 15 credits stealing from ArpeggiateTHIS (success, but he had spent all his credits)

This morning, I also found that someone else had robbed me of 48 credits. This was most - but not quite all - of my remaining credits, (meaning that whoever robbed me only put up 12 credits for the steal).

Anything else you want to know?

Earthling

06-03-2011, 23:52

ACIN is also most likely innocent due to his vote on DE when Renata was still ahead on Day 5 (or 6?).

The fact that he bandwaggoned to save Chaotix from being lynched and lied to Renata and Zack doesn't count for anything? That he himself made a huge point of how he opposed Renata but didn't actually follow up on betting against Renata is excused just for going Diamondeye? He was much worse than Greyblades or anyone else who has factional excuses or OMGUS that ACIN had the exact opposite motivation for. But a few credits on Diamondeye - who none of the other chaotics tried to actually save anyway and got revived that night - that's all the proof you need? I don't know why people keep arguing that the Diamondeye lynch proves anything and especially arguing that it proves the wrong things. If the first Diamondeye lynch was anything it was purposeful bussing by the rest of the chaotic team after they failed to gain support needed to lynch Renata, and they revived Diamondeye anyway. It's certainly a terrible reason to excuse suspects let alone blame Beefy or somebody else.

ACIN, you also need to stop lying, because I have never once said that "one scum per faction" is what we are looking at nor proposed that as a reason for lynching you. You should be lynched for several other reasons already posted, and your counter theory that all the "Evil Mafia are evil" is far worse anyway.

Winston, I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

Winston Hughes

06-04-2011, 00:15

I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.

Evil Mafia and Cosa Nostra, though I've done nothing to further the goal of getting rid of them (quite the opposite - I've tried to protect Roman).

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

I have no idea. I've just about been keeping up with the thread, but I couldn't tell you what the evidence is either way, beyond the fact that we've got two recurring killers and some reason to doubt the guilt of every remaining player.

My gut is saying not to trust voting evidence too heavily, there being a possibility of bussing here, but the same can be said about ability-use evidence. Taking my own case an example, my having claimed two verifiable actions on the same night does not necessarily mean that I actually carried out both of those actions. If I were a chaotic, I could have told you guys an action taken by one of my buddies, to cover up the fact that I was actually out killing.

Seon

06-04-2011, 01:18

Hey guyz, have you forgotten about me so quickly?! I told you that I am a dangerous dangerous man, I'm like a rocket ship on my way to Mars, on a collision course. I am a sattelite and I am outta control!

If you could just try and stop me now, that would be much appreciated.

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 01:24

The fact that he bandwaggoned to save Chaotix from being lynched
Lol, when? You talking about day two? When no one knew anything?

YLC: 82 (20 Subotan, 1 Shlin28, 20 B_ray, 9 Diamondeye, 5 Blackadder, 5 God Emperor, 5 ACIN, 5 Mythmonster, 5 Bow-wow-wow, 5 choxorn, 1 Chaotix, 1 DIY) :skull:
Chaotix: 15 (10 Fluffy, 5 lubber)
Renata 14 (1 Jolt, 2 Autolycus, 2 Diana Abnoba, 1 Beksar, 5 Gamez, 1 dcmort, 1 Ironside, 1 Arpeg,
ACIN: 9 (4 Psychonaut, 5 Zack
Choxorn: 5 (5 RedSpy,
Beskar: 5 (5 Skooma
Bow-wow-wow: 2 (2 Beefy
Fluffy: 1 (1 Believer,

Abstain: Backwards Logic, Link

Not Voting to lynch:

civplayah
Crazed Rabbit
Csargo
Earthling
El Barto
Greyblades
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Visorslash
Warman
YLC

Oh yeah, I certainly helped a bandwagon that consisted of having 59.76% of the votes come from B-Ray, Subotan and DE. If I was Seph I would not have needed to chip in since as you can see the numbers are outrageously different between YLC and Chaotix. So again, nice try but no cigar.

and lied to Renata and Zack doesn't count for anything?
Another baseless claim of lying. Yawn.

That he himself made a huge point of how he opposed Renata but didn't actually follow up on betting against Renata is excused just for going Diamondeye?
Umm, yes, in case you didn't realize DE was chaotic, soooo why would I kill my partner when I could have easily had a justification for sticking with Beskar in putting credits on Renata. Then the heat would have been off of DE and my partner would have been saved because Renata would have been discredited right there. But that isn't how it happened, so yeah, clear proof I am not chaotic.

He was much worse than Greyblades or anyone else who has factional excuses or OMGUS that ACIN had the exact opposite motivation for.
I must be terrible at reading because I don't understand what exactly you are trying to say there.

But a few credits on Diamondeye - who none of the other chaotics tried to actually save anyway and got revived that night - that's all the proof you need?
Lol, 60 credits was the max bet I believe. You call that "a few"? Renata was up by 20 something points and I totally crushed DE with my bet. You got nothing bro.

I don't know why people keep arguing that the Diamondeye lynch proves anything and especially arguing that it proves the wrong things. If the first Diamondeye lynch was anything it was purposeful bussing by the rest of the chaotic team after they failed to gain support needed to lynch Renata, and they revived Diamondeye anyway. It's certainly a terrible reason to excuse suspects let alone blame Beefy or somebody else.
LOL. First you say none of the chaotics actually tried to save him in the part I just quoted above, now you are saying it was a purposeful bus by them? Make up your mind before you make up crap.

ACIN, you also need to stop lying, because I have never once said that "one scum per faction" is what we are looking at nor proposed that as a reason for lynching you. You should be lynched for several other reasons already posted, and your counter theory that all the "Evil Mafia are evil" is far worse anyway.
This says nothing and is a clear example of Earthling's classic style of bullying everyone into submission.
1. Says to stop lying even though it is true he used the idea that there must be someone scummy on the evil team to cast doubt on me. So he is wrong there but acts as if it is fact.
2. Says "several reasons" but doesn't clarify.
3. Claims my idea is terrible even though shlin just pointed out that there are imbalances present within other factions which does give my theory some credit. AKA, try to crush my possibly right idea before it can get off the ground.

Winston, I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.
More "I want to know so tell me."

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

I have given my idea about Seon, but you dismissed it as wrong, then claimed that I was Seph after I had thought I had proven it, then went on to dismiss it again when ATPG said that any bet is valid no matter what. Doesn't seem like you are open to everyone's ideas, just ones that suit your plan that you haven't thought of.

Backwards Logic

06-04-2011, 02:59

No lynching Beefy. 'Cause I said so. I find it very interesting someone decided to take a risk killing me when I had 80% bulletproof odds.

Visor

06-04-2011, 03:01

Who are they gonna lynch instead BL?

Earthling

06-04-2011, 03:38

I think we should unanimously lynch ACIN. Make Greyblades bet a lot if that's what people need to hear but he's far and away the top suspect. If there are two living scum left he has to be one of them, if not he's still the best candidate (and see above, again, we could make others fill out the bets anyway just in case).

What Winston said about stealing and Arpthis seems to confirm both of what those two have been up to. Not unexpected, but I assume it's true and Arpthis won't contest it, no motive for Winston to have lied about his steals anyway. Makes it seem rather impossible for one of them to be scum and not the other which is good news (Arpthis actually spent the credits he said he did as several of us probably heard in advance, and Winston's night actions seem well accounted for. That's on top of general inactive replacements anyway and what we know about them which shouldn't be chaotics but just stating that it makes sense to me).

Looking over the writeups I have one other significant thing to propose, everyone could look over it again if they like but I feel this conclusion is good:

A) Beskar definitely was truthful about what he knew when he died, and in particular I think I'm finally sure what the whole deal with him and the writeup was, knowing what we know about the Angel now. Sephiroth is immune to retaliation, (BL I also think he has an override, explains you last night and Warman) but Beskar actually successfully triggered a retaliation (Venganza and the whole "betrayal" stuff plus several blantant statements from Beskar later). Sephiroth also seemed to be immune to a retaliation attempt from Diana as well. As for Beskar again though, he presumably knew who Sephiroth is when he was killed, he did know for sure that Chaotix was scum if we see the day after he died, plus possibly knew something about Renata though that doesn't help us much at this point. So whatever Beskar knew was legitimate about the chaotics which is key, he may have extrapolated a lot too but there was stuff he knew for sure.

B) There's no way Greyblades is Sephiroth given Beskar's response to him, encouraging him to stand up for the town against Renata, on top of the already high improbability we face with his faction and role anyway. This still doesn't hypothetically rule out Greyblades being a second scum and Beskar not knowing anything about that, though it would require gutsy plays from him (and whoever IS Seph then) on multiple things plus unknown factors about Renata we'll never have revealed now (instead of looking like just a townie falsely accused by Renata at this point). But he's not Sephiroth and definitely not Sephiroth-as-the-only-living-scum.

So the only two candidates I'm really seeing right now are Beefy and ACIN. ACIN is a far better choice.

I do really want to stress one thing though:

We should get a unanimous lynch just to be careful that it succeeds, especially if people are of the belief there's only one scum left. I will go unanimous with whomever we choose even if it is Greyblades or someone else, but I really, really think we have to get ACIN.

So everybody needs to vote and preferably well before the deadline end. Everyone should be voting now but we have to get everyone on it before the day's end anyway, even for just a couple credits, that's a risk not worth taking if lack of unanimousity will make us fail against the Angel or something equally bad.

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 03:43

Good job not responding to any of my points. Are you just going to ignore me and hope that your long walls of text convince everyone?

EDIT: Whatever, if you don't want to argue with me, that is fine I have other RL stuff to do.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 03:53

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 04:11

You didn't make any real points, you just lied about what I said again.

Answer why you lied to Zack and Renata earlier as I already linked, or come forward with proof of your night actions that exonerates you in some way, or you're really not doing anything. For pretty much everybody else there are much better reasons at this point to think they are not scum while you have basically nothing, not in your votes nor actions nor your supposed role which could easily be a cover role. That's not to start on your purposeful lies and scumminess the past couple of days.

A) You never gave a link. All you did was say, "You lied to Zack and Renata." that isn't a link. That is a statement. Actually provide a link instead of saying you did.
B) You are using false logic to disprove my innocence. You can't prove a negative. If I said, I was away on holiday on Night 3 and I didn't send in anything, there is no proof that I didn't do anything. It basically comes down to my word, and this is the same case that we find with Greyblades and Winston and Beefy and Arp when they talk about what they did certain nights as well. A lot of Winston's attempts at stuff failed and didn't appear in the write up. Are you going to ask him to "prove" that he did that stuff? Learn basic logic please, lol.
C) The only person that has disregarded the D6 vote was you, for reasons I have already shot down quite handily. Again, this is you saying something, and then when I tell why it is wrong you say I am lying and then proclaim said statement again as if it was fact. My votes and my actions do speak for themselves whether you "believe" it or not. Because that is basically what it is coming down to here. My proof and my arguments against your "intuition" and "facts".

Please, please, please, send an actual link of me lying to Renata and Zack instead of just saying, "I made a link." when you never did.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 05:01

I already posted the link. You changed your vote to save Chaotix, not anything to do with Renata like you implied, and you lied about other game events. You are going to ignore the relevant points and continue to lie I'm sure, but that is because you are scum.

here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053303979&viewfull=1#post2053303979)

Provide an explanation again if you like though.

Your case on Day Six, again, is meaningless when it does even more to indicate Innocence of our other suspects; you can't possibly suggest it clears you and then go after someone like Greyblades for the lynch instead of you. But you're running out of people to accuse to try to buy time for yourself. Greyblades changed his vote well before you and his vote was far more critical. At the time you voted for Diamondeye, he was already far behind, with almost no townies left making big bets on Renata. Backwards Logic and Roman were guaranteed to support Renata, and the other scum were staying out of it. Diamondeye also got revived immediately. There's no valid way to really argue that the scum didn't accept his lynch and bussing didn't occur, let alone that it proves anything about you. You just latched onto that because Roman or shlin mistakenly thought that lynched proved something and you're trying all you can to appear townie while not addressing glaring inconsistencies.

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 05:37

Oh wow, here we go again. You have got nothing else to go on, so you just copy pasta'd a post from Renata where she is grilling me because I was being emotional in the beginning of the game due to RL problems. That is my "excuse" Earthling, I had RL problems. Not everything is part of the game. I need a GPA over 3.6 to transfer into the uni that I want to go to and my midterms were not high enough to provide the necessary grade I need to maintain that GPA. I play this game for recreation to take my mind off of things, and I got really annoyed at Zack for trying to kill me off early, because I was already in a bad state of mind at the time and I have a habit of getting killed in the very beginning of games. This is backed up by me sending a PM to Zack telling him about how many times i have been killed with in the first 3 days of several mafia games. He talked in public about that PM, which I can find in a heartbeat if you want.

This doesn't even touch upon the fact that Renata ultimately dropped her case on me because I was seriously thinking of just stopping myself from getting any more worked up about the game by quitting. This is old news boy.

I have already debunked your questioning about the credits. I didn't bandwagon. I could have not bet at all because Subo and B-Ray had put more credits on civplayah than Chaotix had combined.

This is why you are full of ****.

When you talk about a decision I made that killed off a chaotic (DE) you say that doesn't matter, when you talk about a decision I made that ultimately was a poor one, you say it is because I am scum. No, you can't have both of those.

Let's look at your bets on D6 Earthling.

1620 Earthling 3 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 124, Greyblades 55)

So with Renata in the lead you decide to make a measly 3 bet on DE because you don't want someone to pull the same crap you are pulling with me and Chaotix. You can go back and say hurr derr well I voted for DE when the vote came. 3 credit bet doesn't lose you any money and you get to look good.

But wait, here I go right after you:
1623 acin 60 on DE -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)

And suddenly instead of Renata being up by 7 points, I suddenly have DE in the lead with 53 points.

What happens after that? Fluffy makes a bet on Renata but then folds.
1626 Fluffy 15 on Renata -> (DE 184, Renata 146, Greyblades 55)
1628 Fluffy fold -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)

Then DIY changes his vote from Geyblades and goes to DE, then Visor raises on DE and so does BL.
1635 DIY fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 194, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1638 Visorslash raise 10 on DE -> (DE 204, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1639 BL raise 50 on DE -> (DE 254, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)

Then Khaan, then Bow-wow then Skooma all follow suit.
1640 khaan fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 264, Renata 91, Greyblades 30)
1642 Bow-wow-wow remove 20 from Renata -> (DE 264, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1644 Skooma 10 on DE -> (DE 274, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)

As Romanic puts it I "turned the tide" AKA I started the bandwagon on DE. I killed him. If anyone is going to point a finger at someone for killing DE it should be pointed at me.

Then for some reason here comes Earthling again, well he must happy that the person he voted on is now in the lead, and from what Ironside said, it looks like it is a slam dunk!
1646 Earthling fold -> (DE 271, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)

Oh no. Your plan to look good but trying to keep Renata alive at #1 failed. So now you make the mistake of withdrawing. And now you gotta come up with a way to negate what just happened for the future. Your solution? Claim it doesn't mean anything an quote a post from Renata that she later decided to not follow up on because I had a good reason why I was acting the way I did.

Oh, and I am not accusing anyone but you. You are Seph and Seon is probably the second killer at this point. I have been saying for the past 2 days now that it is you, only you and you must die immediately.

EDIT: And with that I am going to refrain from making any more walls of text for tonight and instead I will be afk for the next hr and semi afk for the rest of the night. These Taylor series are not going to be worked out by themselves.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 05:57

Your entire post is a lie and a strawman. You're completely ignoring everything relevant to complain again about your "emotional situation" or whatever and that's pathetic.

The point is you lied about your vote, and yes, Renata's post points it out, and as I said people simply had forgotten about a lot of stuff between you/Renata/Zack, but looking back it's straightforward.

Anyone else can go read the game thread on Day 2.

You joined the bandwagon on YLC, the same bandwagon which was encouraged by Chaotix, Diamondeye, and God Emperor - all the other scum, in other words, in a short amount of time, to save Chaotix from the couple of random townies that were trying to lynch him. You lied completely about your reason for voting, even ignoring the supposed "scan" on YLC, you just joined the bandwagon for a reason you lied about. It's in the thread and it looks scummy.

Visor

06-04-2011, 06:02

Hey Earthling, why is lying a scum indicator, if you've done it a ton more than he has.....

Earthling

06-04-2011, 06:17

I haven't lied since what, Day Three? And the only thing I ever lied about that was significant in any way was telling Renata I did a night action different from what I did. (and considering she was a serial killer, and the other option of following Renata's orders to do stuff like vigilante other townies was what many of you chose, it wasn't the best choice but it certainly wasn't the worst)

ACIN has lied several dozen times since yesterday's lynch, plus things earlier in the thread remain scummy.

Crazed Rabbit

06-04-2011, 06:31

issaikhaan was busy changing his name for the umpteenth time, when he was attacked by a vampire wielding a medieval spiked mace, and he was bludgeoned until he was unrecognizable. The killer with black wings began to feast on the heart of fallen khaan, to gain his courage.

I know who that is. In the previous game he was force converted from a neutral role into a serial killer role.

CR

Romanic

06-04-2011, 07:00

Hey why are we only 4 to vote at this point? Why are some of us waiting to place their vote?

@Arpeg: You need to unvote Beefy, because BL said so. :smug2:

@acin: vote now please.

@Beefy: Where are you?

@Winston: Even if you don't know, you need to vote. Do something, where's the WH that I know? The one who's trying to figure stuff?

@Greyblades: I feel like you haven't placed a solid vote since 1956 (or was it Day8?). It's time to stop defending yourself and stop acting like your a victim. If you don't want to find who's are the remaining chaotics, here's what will happen:

fold; bet 88 credits on Greyblades

Here's a list of your today's posts. I don't see you helping.

What the fig? Good lord how can you lot be so bloody thick. You know what, screw it I've allready made my defense here;

If it sways you, good for you, otherwise you deserve the ending you get. I'm giving all my items to Earthling just out of spite, you cant steal the things off him so easily.
Special mentions go to kagemusha for using me to roleblock earthling last night then turning on me today. Top notch.

*grumbes*One time I manage to prove my innocence without doing something stupid and its not enough for these people.*grumbles*
Self defending. Feels like a victim.

I'm takling bets on how much they panic when I turn out town as well.
Fear tactics.

I doubt it because it failed. 10% doesnt realy go very far. Pity its irrelivant because you're a confirmed townie and roleblocking isnt exactly incriminating, I dont realy understand why you care if its proven or not.
Failed attempts is a perfect alibi. Self defending.

Lets see, I turned up lynching a townie leader to lynch a chaotic when I had a fair chance of getting the town leader/serial-killer-about-to-win lynched... I'd say that is enough.
Self defending.

They go into denial: 2-1
They lynch at random: 3-1
They lynch the confirmed townies 5-1
They manage to lynch earthling 10-1
Hrm. :grin:

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 07:06

Bet: 10 credits Greyblades

Romanic

06-04-2011, 07:10

That sounds plausible. All right. Lets give you benefit of doubt and Fold and bet 10 on Winston Hughes. As far as i know we do not have any accoutability of your actions so far. Care to elaborate?

I don't approve of lynching Winston. I've told you why I think he's innocent privately but let me say it again here.

On Night 8 shlin busdrived me with Warman, and the writeup showed that I was attacked by Sephiroth. The attacked was redirected to Warman, so was a protective shield, that Winston is the only one claiming to have done. And Sephiroth killed Warman despite the protective shield. Nobody else claimed having protecting me on N8, and even Arpeg was supposed to protect me but he admitted failing to send orders.

So Winston was the one protecting me, that's one action accounted for.

Winston also claimed to have stolen Psychonaut on Night 8, and got 8 credits. I was shadowing Winston's move, to steal Psychonaut, and I also got 8 credits so Winston is telling the truth about that action. That's two actions accounted for.

Unless you think the chaotic have three actions per night, Winston is clean, as he's got two actions accounted for on Night 8 and cannot be Black Wings or Sephiroth.

Romanic

06-04-2011, 07:14

Tally.

98 Greyblades (Romanic 88, acin 10)
20 Beefy (Arpeg)
10 Winston (Kagemusha 10)
10 acin (Earthling 10)
---
3 not voting (Beefy, Greyblades, Winston)

Visor

06-04-2011, 07:18

Romanichine, cut Greyblades some slack. Both me and him have been taking a crapload of crap from Earthling. Now that I'm dead, he's gone back to him.

Choxorn

06-04-2011, 07:26

Really? I think Earthling's been going after ACIN more than Greyblades.

Romanic

06-04-2011, 07:28

Romanichine, cut Greyblades some slack. Both me and him have been taking a crapload of crap from Earthling. Now that I'm dead, he's gone back to him.

I don't care about what Earthling said about him, in fact I'm skimming most of Earthling's post by now. What I care about is seeing someone claiming he's Town, and not voting for three days, not making a case on anyone, and being mostly self-defending. Does he care about finding a chaotic? If he does, I need to see some kind of proof.

Kagemusha

06-04-2011, 07:42

Well i am now convinced with Winston.He simply cant be the chaotic. So that leaves us with little choice. fold and bet 100 credits on Arpeg

Visor

06-04-2011, 07:45

I'm skimming most of Earthling's post by now

You have restored my faith.

Well i am now convinced with Winston.He simply cant be the chaotic. So that leaves us with little choice. fold and bet 100 credits on Arpeg

Ah... why? Arpeg is looking very townish.

Romanic

06-04-2011, 09:01

unvote Jedi holocran to Kage;
vote Jedi holocron to acin.

Kagemusha

06-04-2011, 09:02

Unvote items, vote : busdriver to Romanic, Jedi Holocron to ACIN and all other items to Kagemusha

Earthling

06-04-2011, 09:28

It is basically impossible for Arpegg to be chaotic. Before Arpegg joined the role was entirely inactive for at least a couple nights, I highly doubt orders were sent, and that's on top of Arpegg's actions themselves being accounted for, including Renata's scan even verifying his secret talent last I heard. Winston's claim of stealing away his last credits is also entirely consistent with what Arpegg said he was doing and spending in advance. He does need to say something and vote today though.

I think we ought to be unanimous (well, 7 vs. 1) and I really don't think it's Greyblades but yes, we do need to all vote so if comes down to it won't take a risk of not getting Sephiroth over some avoidable mistake. Greyblades, you really ought to place a bet and I obviously think it should be on ACIN.

Diamondeye

06-04-2011, 09:39

I don't care about what Earthling said about him, in fact I'm skimming most of Earthling's post by now.

I stopped reading them around page 2 :tongue:

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 09:41

Vote: busdriver to Romanic, Jedi Holocon to myself and all other items to Kage.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 15:28

Seon

06-04-2011, 15:46

:helloo:

Earthling

06-04-2011, 16:33

Greyblades, bet your credits already. This is the most self-destructive and terrible townie attitude ever. "I won't do anything, reveal anything, or vote anything to help the town, and I dare you to come lynch or kill me." Do you know all those other people that worked out for? Heard of some guys called Psychonaut and Visorslash?

It's so obvious what is exactly in your own interests as a townie, and that's lynching ACIN. He's even your factional enemy after all. You can't possibly be serious that you, as an evil townie, would rather die right now than even try to get someone who could be scum.

To summarize what's up with everyone else though:

-Beefy has proven himself a vigilante several times over, with coordination with other Innocents, and possibly scans or second actions to his name - he's the least perfect of anyone left, I do have to agree, but it's also generally unlikely he's been killing twice each night for so long.

-Winston and Arpegg both replaced inactive people who wouldn't have been sending night orders, not acted scummy since, and seem to have mutually confirmed each other's amounts of credits and a couple of night actions/steals. Unless they are both lying (and thus scum together) to cover up a large amount of credits being hidden, neither should be scum.

-Romanic is the person who revived our other revived Innocents and has already been attacked by Sephiroth repeatedly.

-That leaves the people you already mentioned Greyblades. So I guess we're out of suspects?

Oh wait, there's ACIN, whose excuse is that he "killed a townie once, with a vig item" and nothing otherwise about his night actions.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 17:00

It's so obvious what is exactly in your own interests as a townie, and that's lynching ACIN. He's even your factional enemy after all. You can't possibly be serious that you, as an evil townie, would rather die right now than even try to get someone who could be scum.
Hey here's an idea: stop telling me what to do. Right now I'm ticked off enough to do something stupid and you of all people playing the part of undeserved authority isnt exactly helping seeing as you are last person here I'm going to listen to. Even if what you say is right...

...Goddamnit
Bet 20 credits on ACIN

Romanic

06-04-2011, 17:50

Heh no. I'm the only one here who is at least 90% certain innocent and didnt have to be killed to do it. I'm not going to be pressured at this point by you. Kagemusha was ressurected, earthling cant die, I let up an opppertunity to kill a townie group leader to kill a chaotic, whats the rest of you lot's excuses?

At this point everyone has some sort of alibi, and yours - I voted Diamondeye on Day 6 instead of Renata - isn't as strong as it used to be, because others are stronger. You're far from 90% innocent in my book.

Kagemusha - Was revived, after dying as Town.
Romanic - Attacked three times by Sephiroth, revived two Town.
Beefy - Backwards Logic, our previous scanner, doesn't want us to lynch him.
Earthling - Survived a lynch where he was shown as Town, pissed away 100 credits yesterday to try lynching his main suspect (unlikely an antiTown would do that)
Winston - Two actions accounted for on Night 8, he can't be one of the two killers.

----------------

acin - Turned the tide in Renata's favor on Day 6, lynching Diamondeye.
Greyblades - Voted Diamondeye on Day 6.
Arpeg - Replaced two times, voted Seon on Day 1, albeit a weak vote.

You'll have to do better than "I won't be pressured by you" and "I'm 90% certain innocent" to convince me.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 18:18

Ok.

On day six I was leading a majority vote on reneta, a person who was organising a townie network, after afew hours of "debating"(flinging proverbial ape poo at each other) evidence that diamondeye was a chaotic was presented, as votes started falling away from me I found myself in a position of having a 100 credit lead over reneta and if I stuck to my guns there was a high probability I would have got her lynched. Instead I was persuaded into becoming the second in a bandwagon on diamondeye, he turned out to be a chaotic, I pretty much killed a chaotic and let a townie network leader go free. I would think that would be enough, if I were a psychopath I would have tried to keep at reneta, were I a chaotic I definitely wouldn't vote to kill a team mate over such a lucrative prize.

To reinforce this I would direct you to Andres' mafia comeback game where I was mafia, in that game I successfully managed to evade suspicion all the way to the end on my own, if I was able to do that there I definitely wouldn't have passed up such an effective maneuver here were I mafia, I sure as heck wouldnt go after reneta like a rabid monkey for a night kill attempt and then give up when I was an inch from success.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 18:47

acin - Turned the tide in Renata's favor on Day 6, lynching Diamondeye.
Greyblades - Voted Diamondeye on Day 6.

You can't be serious. This is simply wrong, you really should pay more attention to the tallies as they developed (like on Day 2 as well) rather than just the final tallies (in the writeups) after many people folded or gave up their bets.

Assuming that there wasn't intentional bussing by the scum team anyway - as Chaotix and GE mostly stayed out of it and Diamondeye was REVIVED the same night, I don't know how we can automatically dismiss that, this isn't even true.

When ACIN voted for Diamondeye, Diamondeye had already lost, and it's evident the scum team believed this too, because the other scum were not even trying to support Diamondeye. There is no possible other way to interpret that situation, the intention behind ACIN's vote is up to discussion but not the tally. Roman and Backwards Logic were guaranteed to place their bets to support Renata, not even counting Renata raising her own bet which certainly should have been an expected possibility, and Diamondeye already had significant credits on him. ACIN's vote did not turn the tide in any way, at all. The most you could say is that he didn't desperately try to save Diamondeye for no reason, in other words, he didn't make an obvious mistake that would have immediately shown he was scum and that was such an obvious mistake none of the other scum got involved either.

Greyblades' change of vote from Renata to Diamondeye was far more significant if you even assume that means anything. Which I don't see how you find Day Six so important and not something like the obvious scum bandwagons, first after the silenced Renata, and then saving Chaotix on Day Two anyway.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 19:01

Huh you know now that I think about it...

Romanic - Attacked three times by Sephiroth, revived two Town.
This doesnt realy mean much, being attacked by sephiroth only means you arent chaotic, we still have one psycopath running around and for psycopaths getting into the towns good books is a good strategy, what better way to get into the towns good books than providing them with proven townies, also there's the whole diamondeye being resurrected part, realy romanic if we were to look at it like that your alibi doesnt hold all that much water either.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 19:03

There is something I really think everyone still around and especially confused on placing a vote should do. List who you think is scum if there is one scum (just Sephiroth) or two scum left and act accordingly. I'd also point out that Beskar, who we know was right about things far too much to be coincidence, clearly indicates that Greyblades is not Sephiroth. Beskar presumably knew who Sephiroth was when he died, he was right about Chaotix and Renata being good aligned and no real reason we can assume he was outright lying otherwise, and it's not Greyblades. Beskar would not have supported Greyblades against Renata if Greyblades was Sephiroth.

My list is obvious but as everyone should be considering this for themselves:

2 scum left: ACIN and somebody, possibly Greyblades but I wouldn't be sure at all, could be Beefy or Winston with Blackwings still alive.
1 scum left: ACIN is Sephiroth and Seon is actually Blackwings, ACIN tossed this out as an obvious bussing attempt. Nobody else at all looks nearly as likely to be the sole chaotic left as Sephiroth, none of the nightkills nor behavior matches except ACIN desperately trying anything to avoid a consensus lynch the past couple of days.

So as it's the conclusion in either case, I'm obviously voting for ACIN regardless.

I'd like to question what you guys are assuming and why you are pursuing suspects for yourselves though. What justifies assuming that Greyblades is Sephiroth as the only scum left given the extraordinary risks he would have been taking and obvious lies that anybody could have disproven if they were complete lies. (not to mention his faction). Or are you guys just assuming Greyblades is one of two scum left, maybe just Blackwings - but where's the rest of the discussion?

People have not been thinking ahead more than one step in front of them, sometimes not even that. It's been terrible for the town here. People didn't think ahead and really consider so many vig-kills that killed Innocent inactives or in some cases active, known Innocents. There wasn't even any thinking ahead yesterday that if we lynched Psychonaut and he came up Innocent would we follow up with Visorslash to finish off the South Park faction (as, well, nobody even really discussed what they actually thought about South Park having two scum. Both of those two not bothering to vote or defend themselves didn't help either, don't get me wrong, but more direct public discussion from everyone who was voting might have helped).

So what are we looking at today? Are we assuming Greyblades is Sephiroth and it's done here? If not, what is the follow up? And what justifies assuming other people are Innocent if you are assuming there are two scum left, that opens up a lot more possibilities.

Kagemusha

06-04-2011, 19:08

I think we have two scum left.Who they are is a very hard question. Arpeg doesnt even seem to be active, so fold.

Choxorn

06-04-2011, 19:11

This doesnt realy mean much, being attacked by sephiroth only means you arent chaotic, we still have one psycopath running around and for psycopaths getting into the towns good books is a good strategy, what better way to get into the towns good books than providing them with proven townies, also there's the whole diamondeye being resurrected part, realy romanic if we were to look at it like that your alibi doesnt hold all that much water either.

You're kidding, right? A Neutral wasted more than 100 credits reviving a townie to get in their good books, then revived another one? I'm fairly certain there's much easier ways for a neutral to look townie.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 19:13

1) 100 credits? I thought he had an item.
2) I didnt say he could be neutral I said he could be a psychopath

Earthling

06-04-2011, 19:18

Greyblades, are you trying to purposefully get yourself lynched to buy ACIN another day?...

It's really simple, if you know you are Innocent and have nothing to reveal about yourself or a really really solid thing to say about someone else, stop coming up with crazy nonsense in an OMGUS manner, settle down and place a bigger vote on ACIN.

It's clear that Reenkis Roinkis was a reviver, not even sure if that was credits/ability/item though and he seems to have passed on his items to another ally of his before he died, we didn't even get back the item that was voted to him. Romanic has always been consistent in his claims, paid credits and revived townies, though maybe we should have revived Beskar by now.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 19:24

He was? huh, I stopped paying attention to walls of text agest ago even plot related ones.
I cant place a bigger vote, I spent all my credits trying to steal an item.

Earthling

06-04-2011, 19:45

I cant place a bigger vote, I spent all my credits trying to steal an item.

:facehoof:

It's really killing me to try to think you are townie with moves like this. How would this have even helped? (versus, say, the purchased full roleblock) And did you realize how worrisomely close the chaotics may be to credit victory?

Anyway though, if you're lying about this it will be easily proven immediately. You do need to bet whatever amount of credits gets you out of credits if the lynch goes wrong though. So let's see that now, or just bet a round 50 or whatever if you don't want to specify the exact amount but go over.

But otherwise still in the clear for the lynch on ACIN. I really think we should get a unanimous 7-1 attempt and Greyblades and anyone left who is more unknown like Beefy or Arpegg cough up what they can, Roman and Kage can just join in for low credits and save their own as Innocents obviously. Though I don't think the lynch will even go wrong, but if it does we'll have chaotic suspects provably out of credits anyway so that we won't be facing a solo Sephiroth victory without another last ditch chance. (If two non-ACIN, non-Greyblades people are scum we've probably lost anyway, but with two scum left I don't see how ACIN is not one of them so it'd be a successful lynch)

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 20:34

Facehoof?
Look the reason I havent revealed is because you'd kill me, regardless of my status as evil townie and the reason I haven't tried to help out is because my personal victory condition doesn't really change if its the mafia or the chaotix wins.
That and well I don't like you in this game. You've been useless all game, you've tried to kill me for crap reasoning, you've been so scummy yet unkillable and we cant even get rid of your invincibility, I tried stealing it, and you even have put me off reading anything longer than 2 lines.

Seon

06-04-2011, 20:40

I can try killing him again with my 1-shot 100% override ability if you want.

Greyblades

06-04-2011, 20:43

Any chance you could be one of the quiet dead?

Seon

06-04-2011, 20:47

No, because I'm still alive.

Diamondeye

06-04-2011, 20:52

No, because I'm still alive.

This is so hilarious I can't even be serious about it.

a completely inoffensive name

06-04-2011, 23:36

Once Greyblades dies I motion we kill Earthling.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 00:23

Oh Roman is still voting for Greyblades isn't he, only Kage unvoted.

We still have a shot at a unanimous bandwagon on you I think. Complain all you want but you're not saying what a townie would say. If you come up evil then everyone else can have fun killing Greyblades, vigging me, whatever, Roman could even try to revive you. Even if it turns out Winston or someone random is scum and they win you Evil Mafia could even get Greyblades for the faction victory in time during the night phase. Except that's not going to happen, because you won't turn up evil.

Roman, your vote is a bad call and an even worse risk for you to be losing your credits. If we were to get Greyblades it would really have to be done by forcing Beefy, ACIN, and anyone else to spend all their credits on the lynch in case it backfires. You and Kage can't be losing your credits like that, Greyblades comes out Innocent here and you lose your credits Roman and it's probably about over.

So unvote, even if you won't vote more than 1 on ACIN (please don't abstain though) it's not you losing credits and it's a better case.

Do you really think Greyblades is Sephiroth on his own Roman?

-He's Sephiroth, yet Beskar repeatedly claims he knows who Sephiroth is (as Seph killed Beskar) and that it's not Greyblades.
-He's Sephiroth, so multiple factions have no scum/serial killers on them at all and Sephiroth, Mace Windu, and Jolt as a neutral killer are all on the same faction?
-He's Sephiroth, yet he's basically first to jump off of Renata's bandwagon to lynch his partner Diamondeye?
-He's Sephiroth, and none of his recent votes or any of the nightkills help him at all? If we say it's Greyblades + someone random as scum, why didn't they simply kill shlin/ACIN/BL all earlier? You think the scum would have narrowed down the possible other people to be lynched in their place so only Greyblades remained, they took out landlubber and Bow-wow-wow and fluffy and all that? The mysterious fact that the scum didn't go all out to kill the Evil Mafia for a long time and further hinder BL and Roman's network was beneficial to Greyblades, right?

Everyone needs to lynch ACIN. Token credits from the known Innocents who don't need to lose them just in case but for a unanimous vote, get Winston and Beefy and Arpegg here for 10-20 from all and it's over.

Greyblades

06-05-2011, 00:38

I cant believe he's the one defending me.
Thanks earthling.

Visor

06-05-2011, 00:44

I'm really surprised that we both think Arpeg and you are town. And I still think ACIN got some splaining to do.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 00:47

And I still think ACIN got some splaining to do.

Alright, what do you want me to explain?

Visor

06-05-2011, 00:48

I can't say what I want to without breaking the rules. Sorry.

But basically, if you post the PM's you sent to me and my answers, I can say what I want.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 00:52

Umm, ok lets me grab them.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 00:55

I have sent Kage, BL and Romanic an extensive argument for why I believe Earthling should be the next person lynched. Needless to say, it quite obvious from his lies and false arguments that he has been misleading townies since day 1 on purpose.

I have not yet received a reply from any of them, so I don't know how the situation will develop over the next 48 hours.

Try not to confront him directly like you are doing right now. As you can see he makes nonsensical paragraphs that "look" official and makes up lies that ties into his false logic.

I will update you on what the status is of the big three coming down on Earthling. I would like to ask you to send them a PM as well, but for all we know Earthling is PMing them right now saying that we are the last two scum that have been killing, so it might look bad.
Even if you are scum, if you kill Earthling, you have my undying gratitude.

ATPG accidentally confirmed I am not Seph. There is no way anyone can argue that if I was Seph and I got lynched that the outcome of the game would not have changed...except for Earthling.

I'm no neutral or anti-evil affiliated person either, and I am hoping that BL does his super scan on me and reveals that.

It's a waste of a scan. I'd be doing Earthling, or ApeggiateTHIS2 or Greyblades. OR Beefy.

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
Romanic
Visorslash
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

Well since Arp is Seph, the scan probably won't reveal him. The lynch exposed him imo, but for some reason people overlooked it because they got tricked by his cover role. The they tried to night kill him and that failed because godfathers are in most cases immune from night kills. They always have to be lynched to death, usually twice and Earthling has not been lynched a second time.

But if I get scanned, it pretty much stops Earthling's arguments in his tracks which is what we want.

Arp is Sephiroth?

Oops I meant Earth but saw that Arp was still alive and my fingers went into copy-pasta mode.

Thought so. Look, tell them I think Earthling is worth checking out. They don't believe anything I say anyway.

Also, send this to them for me please, as they will just ignore it if I send it.

Why won't you let me help? Why are you ignoring me? A simple no will do.

Ok, what is your questions?

Earthling

06-05-2011, 00:55

Greyblades I think you didn't quite realize what exactly I was ever after you for anyway. It was in significant part because I had no clue who you were. I really had been told very little all along by BL or Roman or anything, I didn't even know many, many people's factions and acting on some mistaken assumptions probably hurt (for instance, even very recently just a couple nights ago, kept asking if we knew there were five or six Bizarro Mafia but that never got answered by anyone who knew, me and Beefy BOTH end up vigilante-ing Skooma, all just lack of information).

All I had about you was just in thread votes or posts, and only the claim that you had a roleblock item that once succeeded. I didn't know your supposed character or anything like that, so you were on my list of people who needed to be found out and investigated or killed if expedient. And some of the arguing with Renata looked bad to me, true, editing that one post and all. But looking back and knowing who you are, which gives you no motivations for something crazy, it's easier to understand where you would be coming from as a townie. Not a guarantee compared to our other known Innocents, but understandable.

Plus the stuff about Beskar also stands on its own, I read his posts and the writeups and am pretty confident in my conclusion as to what he meant to tell us, knowing about the Angel/Sephiroth now.

Meanwhile, ACIN's own posts and complaints ironically made looking back at his posts very interesting. And again, it's in the thread. Anyone can read and see if they agree but the votes in the thread aren't changing. Just look at a day like Day Two though, it's far more interesting than Day Six in every way - the whole chaotic team, practically lined up first to bandwagon on Renata (who was silenced, hmm) and then to save Chaotix from getting lynched by random townies. It's in the thread, it's how they voted, Chaotix then Diamondeye and GE, and ACIN happened to bandwagon with a vote justified with a lie as clearly pointed out by Renata later.

Look at his posts! They reek of scumminess!

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 00:57

Yeah and Renata called you out as well at some point Earthling, but I am not bringing up that crap as if it is evidence of anything. Your false logic and word trickery speaks for itself.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 01:07

Renata lied about me because I was correctly pointing out to other people why she was scummy, yes.

You are simply lying. I know you're refusing to ever answer or address the valid points because you don't want other people reading over your scummy posts. It doesn't make the facts less true. You joined the YLC bandwagon right after Chaotix, Diamondeye, and God Emperor pushed it basically back-to-back, to save Chaotix. And you completely lied about the reason for your vote and ignored Renata and Zack's criticism later, you just let it fade into the background (which it did with MRD, Jolt, and several others making a mess.) If we'd killed or lynched Chaotix by Day Three everyone could have turned out way differently and the scum really exposed themselves there. Your refusing to address this doesn't make it less true, and given that all the other scum were involved, hard to explain away that another couldn't have been.

And your actions are entirely inconsistent with your lies about who you "suspect." If you thought I was Sephiroth, you would have tried to vig-kill me by now or lynched me yesterday. It's curious how you kept claiming from very early in the game who you knew were townies, for reasons nobody else knew, but so you could sound good if they died and you were right. (Like "MRD and Earthling are both town. Mythmonster and Visorslash are both town. Greyblades and Psychonaut are both town" - oh wait, you've given up on that last one right, never responded to questions about that on your votes yesterday or today). The same things goes on who you "suspected" as scum (every single one also inactive Innocents and non-chaotics, but "let's go after these lurkers and somehow blame Renata for it too!"). Such scum.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 01:09

I responded to your posts for 36 hours straight Earthling. If I have been exposing myself as a fraud I would have dug my own hole already.

Once again you are full of ****.

Renata accused ACIN and we should remember that.
Renata accused Earthing but disregard that because she was lying about that but not about ACIN.

Blah, blah, blah.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 01:18

To anyone who bothers to read for five minutes it is obvious you are. You lied again and again that you were scanned by Backwards Logic. You lied again and again and continue to lie about stuff posted on the game thread. They are such obvious lies too, you say nonsense like "you didn't post a link" to someone when they did just to take up space in the thread and distract from real arguments.

But please, go explain why you bandwaggoned to save Chaotix and lied about your vote, lied about being scanned, and lied about your night actions.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 01:33

I already have explained all of that. You blow up every little thing as if it is some huge thing. I thought BL scanned me, and my words on the record are "pretty sure I have been scanned". And you start yammering about me lying.

This is all you have, is that I have lied. But what have I lied about? Nothing. What have you lied about? Everything. And yet, you just keep posting wall after wall of text asserting the opposite.

I'm going to use this time to study and stuff. This day phase is going to end tonight. Then a 48 hour night phase that should end on monday night for me. So I will spend some of my Tuesday night getting into it with you ok? I got a final on Wednesday as well, so when I finish my final then I can spend my full time on here as well.

EDIT: Also Major League Gaming is on right now, and I love my StarCraft 2 tournaments.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 01:44

You should be dying today, so that's all irrelevant. Roman can cleary see the logic and even if not hopefully Kage can manage to place a bet. I'd be really disappointed if we need something unanimous and don't get it but at the very least you should get the lynch.

Roman can a) still try to revive anyone on the Evil Mafia even if you come up Innocent and that's a worry for him, you're worthless for really needing to be alive for your abilities (claimed none) or credits (also claimed about none now) even under the hypothetical that you are. b) easily organize vig hits or whatever else on Greyblades or me or whomever if you come up Innocent and he believes somebody is Sephiroth, we'd be out of credits regardless and not threatening a credit victory for the chaotics yet.

Killing Greyblades and letting you live accomplishes none of that unless getting Greyblades ends the chaotics right now. Which nobody has provided any reason at all why it should, not even good speculation on who Greyblades would have as a scum ally otherwise. Roman and Kage seem to believe as far as they've indicated there could be two scum left and Greyblades is just a lazy, half-baked process of elimination case right now.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 01:51

lololol.
"I'm gonna get into it with you later."

"Well you should die so that is irrelevant."

Glad to see you are not even reading, just typing.

Kagemusha

06-05-2011, 04:27

I dont like this situation one bit, but a decision has to bemade. Bet: 10 credits on Greyblades

seireikhaan

06-05-2011, 04:45

One last time. We're all here to have fun. Please remember that, and play nice.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 04:46

Kage you don't need to spend more than 1 credit. It's absurd that you and Roman are risking losing so much if Greyblades is Innocent. Get Beefy and ACIN to up their bets on Greyblades so at least if he's not the scum then the other suspects are drained of credits, but not you and Roman.

Fold

bet: 1 credit on ACIN

I also don't see how you and Roman have the item ability slots (only one item ability per night) to use all of these items anyway. As a contigency plan if Greyblades is not scum I'd rather trust another Innocent who has a chance to use things and to not get immediately murdered. ACIN can come kill me if he likes but he won't do that because it'd prove I'm Innocent and risk his lynch tomorrow more. I also am not trusting, again for the contigency that Greyblades is Innocent (and ACIN would have to be scum) that Sephiorth wouldn't just try to have killed all the non-Evil Mafia so even if Roman lives or revives another Evil Mafia that's a loss for the rest of the town.

unvote: all items

vote: all items to ArpTHIS

Kagemusha

06-05-2011, 04:52

Your worries concerning the items are uncalled for. Just vote those like i and Romanic have done. We will be lot more aware what is going on after this day ends.

Romanic

06-05-2011, 04:53

I'm here, and my credits are staying on Greyblades.

Facehoof?
Look the reason I havent revealed is because you'd kill me, regardless of my status as evil townie and the reason I haven't tried to help out is because my personal victory condition doesn't really change if its the mafia or the chaotix wins.
That and well I don't like you in this game. You've been useless all game, you've tried to kill me for crap reasoning, you've been so scummy yet unkillable and we cant even get rid of your invincibility, I tried stealing it, and you even have put me off reading anything longer than 2 lines.
What does this mean anyway? He's claiming neutral or what?

At this point if someone claims that his victory conditiion does not change if the chaotic wins, well... I want this guy dead. He can't be Town right?

Earthling

06-05-2011, 04:55

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 04:57

ACIN can come kill me if he likes but he won't do that because it'd prove I'm Innocent and risk his lynch tomorrow more.

Could say the same thing about you killing me.

Fold; Bet: 1 credit on Greyblades

You are not getting more credits than me.

Askthepizzaguy

06-05-2011, 04:58

One hour remains.

Thank goodness my internets are back up and working again. They were gone for me today.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 04:59

One hour remains.

Thank goodness my internets are back up and working again. They were gone for me today.

Florida weather? Or Comcast being a terrible company?

Askthepizzaguy

06-05-2011, 05:01

Florida weather? Or Comcast being a terrible company?

Roomate not paying the cable/internet bill and then allowing late fees to accumulate, and now all of a sudden if I want to use the internet that I paid for even though there was already internet in the house, I have to help pay his late fees that he accrued all on his own even though I paid on time and NO, I'M NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT ANNOYED ABOUT IT.

Kagemusha

06-05-2011, 05:03

No, they are not. It's certain that you simply can't use all the items for night abilities while ArpTHIS definitely could use the scan. And the bulletproofs I am happy to vote him too if he wants them, to come and vote for himself, his call. If Greyblades is scum and that's how you and Roman are voting it won't even matter, if not I don't want to make it absurdly easy for Sephiroth to kill off, say, Winston and ArpTHIS as helpless townies.

Sure you want to give crucial items to someone who does not seem even active? I already have told in the thread that items are being spread around.You rather give crucial items to others while we can distribute them without chaotics able to know who has and what. Are you serious?

Earthling

06-05-2011, 05:03

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 05:04

Roomate not paying the cable/internet bill and then allowing late fees to accumulate, and now all of a sudden if I want to use the internet that I paid for even though there was already internet in the house, I have to help pay his late fees that he accrued all on his own even though I paid on time and NO, I'M NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT ANNOYED ABOUT IT.

Wow, what a scumbag.

Romanic

06-05-2011, 05:09

Roman you don't actually believe Greyblades is Sephiroth as the sole remaining scum do you? Do you have a single reason to justify that you'd like to share or did you take time to think about the reasons he wouldn't be?
I already stated my reasons in this thread Earthling. Greyblades does not have a Townie attitude and I think he's the best shot we have today. I get that you'd prefer lynching acin, but you even listed Greyblades as suspect #2 if there's two remaining.

We can deal with acin later, if lynching Greyblades doesn't end the game.

Earthling

06-05-2011, 05:13

We can deal with acin later, if lynching Greyblades doesn't end the game.

Lynching Greyblades could end the game with a chaotic victory, yes, especially if you lose all your credits. You've got to at least lower the bet of yours, and it's ridiculous that people like Winston and Beefy didn't even get here to get a unanimous vote or anything like that just in case. Not even counting that ACIN has an unknown number of credits and actions while Greyblades has made a very easily provable claim that makes your statement go by ways.

If lynching ACIN doesn't end the game with a townie victory, Greyblades will be out of credits and we can deal with him later too. Far better reasoning there.

That does remind me I should

Fold, bet: 1 credit on Greyblades to not contradict a unanimous vote if that makes any difference on the off chance he is the last scum, I expect to lose it either way really though.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 05:18

I have no credits and I will prove it right now.

Fold; Bet 100 credits on Greyblades

Watch the write up.

EDIT: Who is going for a credit victory now?

Romanic

06-05-2011, 05:30

Lynching Greyblades could end the game with a chaotic victory, yes, especially if you lose all your credits. You've got to at least lower the bet of yours, and it's ridiculous that people like Winston and Beefy didn't even get here to get a unanimous vote or anything like that just in case. Not even counting that ACIN has an unknown number of credits and actions while Greyblades has made a very easily provable claim that makes your statement go by ways.
I'm not lowering my bet to have you, or someone else, overbid me at the last minute. And acin lost 100 credits yesterday, just how many do you think he has?

Earthling

06-05-2011, 05:36

He could have easily a hundred or more if he's scum. He claims people stole from him but nobody else ever said they did. He has certainly and repeatedly claimed he never spent money on night actions so there's a disparity of about 50 credits alone between what he's voted and what he'd have by income unless you know of a verified steal. But it's clear the scum stole from countless numbers people throughout the game, me, fluffy, others who nobody townie ever fessed up to. It's impossible to know what were steals done by townies, what were scum steals, what were done by scum already lynched, but until we know his credits are at zero we can't be sure.

I guess you could worry that Greyblades, if scum, tries to outbid at the last minute and can't disprove that as a possibility. I'm certainly done here. But just saying it'd be extremely disappointing if you, Roman, lost a lot of credits.

ACIN's vote obviously must not change at all, really a very lame alibi to attempt to prove townieness anyway but we can't let him retract it.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 05:38

Askthepizzaguy

06-05-2011, 06:01

Okay, round ended at 0100. Writeup commencing. Stay tuned, could be a long one.

58 Greyblades (Roman 37, Kage 10, Earthling 1, acin 10) :skull:
20 acin (Greyblades 20)
20 Beefy (Arpeg 20)

Romanic

06-05-2011, 06:06

Yikes, someone stole my credits. I had 88!

Yes, yes, I did! :smug2:

Askthepizzaguy

06-05-2011, 07:13

DAY ELEVEN

In my eyes, indisposed
In disguises no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
The sun in my disgrace
Boiling heat, summer stench
'Neath the black the sky looks dead
Call my name through the cream
And I'll hear you scream again

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain?
Black hole sun
Won't you come?
Won't you come?

Stuttering, cold and damp
Steal the warm wind tired friend
Times are gone for honest men
And sometimes far too long for snakes
In my shoes, a walking sleep
And my youth I pray to keep
Heaven send Hell away
No one sings like you anymore

Hang my head, drown my fear
Till you all just disappear

-- Soundgarden

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Hidden well by his disguise, The Angel waited. The others talked amongst themselves, quite sure this time, they had found their traitor.

The sky continued to burn, as the METEOR fell toward the survivors. Ash and dust filled the poisonous air. The sky was black, and dead.

Then, they called out a name.

"Greyblades"

Greyblades turned, and looked at the remaining survivors. He was about to speak in his defense, but decided that was no longer necessary.

Greyblades looked up at the hurtling METEOR, and back at the others.

"A fitting end.... truly, you all deserve what's coming to you." said Greyblades. "Come, METEOR.... end their suffering. Come and wash away the pain."

"Where is the Angel?" someone said. The others looked around, and sure enough, the Angel was nowhere to be seen.

"Well isn't it obvious?" remarked Greyblades. "It was me all along. I'm the one you've been looking for. I've been hiding among you this entire time. I've been very busy at night, yes.... very busy. You see, while you've all been sleeping, I've been planning and plotting. And soon I will have control over all your little minds. Involuntarily, you will become my puppets. A glorious empire we will build, and I will be your supreme overlord. Now, give yourselves to me, my children...."

Romanic stepped forward. "No, Sephiroth, it is over! You're done hiding, you're done running, now it is time to fight. It's time to end this, once and for all! Let us go, Sephiroth, and we shall escape from Hell and rule the cosmos.... together!"

Kagemusha also stood face-to-face-to-face with Greyblades, and both of him looked very menacing. "We might have died, but we're back, and now there's going to be no stopping us!"

Earthling managed to pull himself together and he stood facing Greyblades. Even through his helmet, he looked quite ferocious. "NONE shall pass."

A completely inoffensive name stood facing Greyblades, knife in hand. "You will not escape. The day of reckoning is at hand, at long last!"

ArpeggiateTHIS stepped forward, and accused Beefy187. "I swear, you guys, it's him! It's the one you least suspect! Look at that face... that's the face of a guilty, guilty cow. Beefy, you silly moo-moo, defend yourself!"

Beefy187 just stood silently, watching the events unfold. Winston Hughes did the same. The duo looked on in silence as the remaining survivors surrounded Greyblades.

Greyblades: "Very well. It's all of you against me, then? That's fine.... let's see how you like it when the eggs hatch..."

Suddenly, Earthling fell to his knees, and started moaning loudly. The Knight gripped his helmet, as if in terrible, horrible pain. From out of the helmet came a massive swarm of flying parasites. The swarm immediately moved toward Romanic, Kagemusha, and ACIN, as if trying to infect their bodies.

Greyblades laughed as this happened, and opened his mouth wide.... revealing another swarm of parasitic creatures.... and these creatures went after Arpeg, Beefy, and Winston Hughes.

Greyblades: "If you will not follow me by choice, then you will obey me by force!"

In the ensuing chaos, Greyblades cackled with evil glee, watching his swarm attack and infect the remaining survivors. Soon the universe would be his.... and his species would become the dominant form of life. It was already the most intelligent.

Through the swarm, the smoke, and the ash, a lone figure appeared behind Greyblades, and it drew the fateful Masamune.

The Angel: "Nice try..... but like all inferior forms of life, the time has come for you to be exterminated."

With a graceful swing of his sword, Sephiroth cleaved The Snatcher in half, revealing that Greyblades wasn't even remotely human. Inside, he was a quivering mass of egg sacs, protoplasm, and a gigantic parasite queen.

Summoning a hellish fireball, Sephiroth incinerated the swarm, setting all the remaining survivors on fire. As they fell to the ground, screaming in pain, Sephiroth pulled out the 3 of Clubs card, and crumpled it up. The card seemed to turn to dust, as the body of The Snatcher did the same.

The Angel: "The game is nearly at an end, as are your lives. Night falls, and a new day dawns. And on that day, the mistakes of the past will be forgotten.... your sins will be forgiven.... and you will all be allowed to rest. Pleasant dreams....."

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______________________________

Summary of events:

Greyblades has been lynched!

Greyblades was The Snatcher, of the Space Mafia Faction!

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Greyblades was Evil!

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3 of Clubs

Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six

Alive Players- (7/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Beefy187
Earthling
Kagemusha
Romanic
Winston Hughes

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine
Link- Monty Burns [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) King of Spades
shlin28- Boomerang Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Diamonds
Subotan- Anthony Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 9 of Clubs
Skooma Addict- Fluffy Bunny [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia!?! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122738-SPEED-MAFIA%21-%21)) 4 of Hearts
TheFluffyOne93- Advice Dog [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119574-SPEED-MAFIA%21)) 5 of Hearts
-------------Night Nine
Psychonaut- Manbearpig [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 9 of Spades
-------------Day Ten
Visorslash- Saddam Hussein [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233844)) 4 of Clubs
issaikhaan- Pyramid Head [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (Silent Hill (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) Ace of Spades
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
-------------Night Ten
Greyblades- The Snatcher [Evil] Space Mafia (The Snatcher (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119908-The-Snatcher-%28Concluded%29)) 3 of Clubs
-------------Day Eleven

The Space Mafia Faction has been eliminated!

BEGIN NIGHT ELEVEN

Earthling

06-05-2011, 07:29

Hey Roman congratulations on wiping out your rival faction!!!1

Now could we finally talk about some things so maybe we have a chance of defeating the chaotics? For instance, surely you and Kage and BL weren't possibly foolish enough that you actually gave Beefy all the vigilante items and the Triforce that kills through defenses. And could your revival attempt perhaps be on Beskar tonight?

There is bitter consolation in that we did deny Renata further victory points as this did elimate her faction even though she lived. Bitter taste of defeat and lime.

a completely inoffensive name

06-05-2011, 07:39

LOL Intro statement that makes me seem mad at you for doing what I planned on you doing.

Middle paragraph about wanting to cozy up with you now that the list of suspects is extremely small.

End statement trying to establish some sort of brotherly vibe of trust based off of an external threat that screwed us both.

Askthepizzaguy

06-05-2011, 07:42

ACIN gets the Holocron
Romanic gets the Transporter
Kagemusha gets the rest

* 10% bulletproof chance. (Super Cereal)
Kage- Kage, Romanic, ACIN
ARPEG- ELING

* 40% bus driver chance. (transporter pad)
Romanic- Romanic, Kage, ACIN
ARPEG- ELING

* 80% bulletproof chance. (Tanooki Suit)
Kage- Kage, Romanic, ACIN
ARPEG- ELING

* 20% investigatory chance. (Jedi Holocron, allows you to learn more about someone) FACTION SCANNING ITEM
ACIN- Romanic, Kage, ACIN
ARPEG- ELING

* 100% ???? (White Eyes)
Kage- Kage, Romanic, ACIN
ARPEG- ELING

Beefy187

06-05-2011, 09:47

Sorry, I was away thinking that its still night time.

I don't know why I'm suddenly a suspect. I've been killing who Romanic/Kage and others have decided to kill.
Unless I'm secretly Chaotic without me knowing, I'm just a plain Evil.

Give me two more kills to prove my innocence. If I can't kill a Chaotic by then, I'll either be lynched or I'll suspect those giving me commands and turn on them

Greyblades

06-05-2011, 13:18

Told you.

ArpeggiateTHIS

06-05-2011, 13:31

So ACIN, Beefy, Romanic, Winston, which of you needs lynching?

Greyblades

06-05-2011, 13:47

Acin should die in the night phase. You should also consider roleblocking him to stop him killing or defending him, I'd have done it myself but romanic got greedy.

Jolt

06-05-2011, 15:05

Told you.

I already knew this but nevertheless, I offer my apologies to you. You REALLY looked like scum to me while I was participating. :P

Sorry. :<

Diamondeye

06-05-2011, 15:21

Well that was a surprise :beam:

Choxorn

06-05-2011, 22:50

So ACIN, Beefy, Romanic, Winston, which of you needs lynching?

If ACIN isn't a scum, my corpse will rise from the dead and eat my hat.

Seon

06-05-2011, 23:25

I already ate yours. It tasted like... Skooma...

Earthling

06-06-2011, 02:36

We need a 100% roleblock and a 100% vig attempt on ACIN tonight. (or as effective as can be gotten, I am guessing someone has about 100% on vigging through items and purchased roleblock should be 100% for someone who can afford it if not items). After that, knock yourselves out people, scans/steals/whatever probably don't matter at this point, but I don't even care if someone like Beefy is trigger happy and tries to attack somebody else not proven Innocent too, as long as the 100% attack on ACIN is also carried out first. I wouldn't really recommend additional attacks at all if it was up to me but can't prevent factional revenge kills or whatever else is left bothering people so want to be sure we do everything we can against Sephiroth first, the rest is compromisable. If we have additional roleblockers specifically available then I would seriously consider Seon too, if it's possible to use the action on a dead player, that really could block a Blackwings kill.

Subotan

06-06-2011, 11:30

Since my death, I've been lurking and staying out of the debate, for fear of contamination. In that time, I have discovered Earthling's Doctrine for Uncovering Mafia Scum:

https://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2969/howdoyouknowv.jpg

Earthling has stood out as consistently trying to deflect attention away from his own posts and actions, and instead focusing on accusing others of lying - without actually providing any evidence of lying. This is especially seductive, as the mantra of Lynch All Liars is a very solid townie strategy - however, as any politician knows, it is PERCEPTION that counts, not the actual truth. Earthling is busy weaving a series of irrefutable claims (Due to their lack of evidence) in order to slip by to the end of game.

TL;DR if I was alive, I would be putting all my credits upon Earthling.

Greyblades

06-06-2011, 11:36

Subotan, earthling's kinda a confirmed townie. And immortal. It's kinda why he's been acting like that; he doesnt realy have to watch his own posts.

ArpeggiateTHIS

06-06-2011, 11:45

Subotan, earthling's kinda a confirmed townie. And immortal. It's kinda why he's been acting like that; he doesnt realy have to watch his own posts.

+1. Evidently haven't been lurking well enough Subo.

Visor

06-06-2011, 11:47

TL;DR if I was alive, I would be putting all my credits upon Earthling.

Do it for the lulz. :bow:

a completely inoffensive name

06-06-2011, 11:55

Except no one is immune from death in an ATPG game. That isn't ATPG's style.

Also, when ATPG said that lynching me would not have changed the game, Earthling said this:

You could also have survived the lynch or something, godfather-ish role or serial killer,

Earthling has not been lynched twice. I have said all this already. A godfather chaotic would not die from a night attack. Godfather would probably have to be lynched to death, either once or twice. First lynch might be able to present a cover role.

How does no one else find it suspicious that Earthling can talk about being immortal due to being the black knight but when I say that Seon comes from a game about vampires, maybe he is a vampire "NO IT CANT BE! Well if it is...ACIN is Seph...BUT IT IS JUST HIM FOOLING US!"

Greyblades

06-06-2011, 15:11

Except no one is immune from death in an ATPG game. That isn't ATPG's style.
Pizzaguy once had a game with no townies and no mafia and made it work, he doesnt realy have a style beyond experimenting with new hostiong techniques.

Diamondeye

06-06-2011, 17:29

https://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2969/howdoyouknowv.jpg.

Spot on, man. Spot on.

Earthling

06-06-2011, 21:29

Well I am 5/5 on non-evil aligned this game alone and ACIN should make 6/6.

a completely inoffensive name

06-06-2011, 22:55

Well I am 5/5 on non-evil aligned this game alone and ACIN should make 6/6.

Not really/total lie there. MRD.

Diamondeye

06-06-2011, 23:05

Well I am 5/50 on non-evil aligned this game

Fixed :beam:

Earthling

06-06-2011, 23:13

I was trying to get Jolt lynched the day MRD was lynched, like with ACIN/Greyblades it's just the credit system in this game forces you to fold, rebet, or put a few on bandwagons to not lose your credits. However you try to count things I've done far better than the rest of this town. It's funny how cowardly and weak the chaotic team has been all things considered though, too afraid to take on Renata, too afraid to even kill me when you could have easily done so for days and days and now ACIN is going to lose for sure.

Greyblades

06-06-2011, 23:17

:blinks: You were killable all this time?... Glad you didnt tell me this afew turns ago.

Earthling

06-06-2011, 23:24

I'll answer you to be nice as out of all the dead you at least deserve it but this is worth laughing at the chaotics too. They are so cowardly and incompetent, they didn't try to take down Renata, completely underestimated me and we'll be able to take out ACIN here. But yes, I've had a 25% chance to survive attacks at night for like forever, especially nothing more when my credits were gone (and they knew this as they probably stole from me the first time and I was clearly out after the Day 5 lynch) and I had no other options for several nights.

They just were so foolish to think they could get away with things or actually buy into random lies (like Renata's claims about alternate neutral roles, "I guess this is what I would make up as a neutral role so let's say that is what Earthling is") Or Jolt, who refused to believe that I simply purchased extra protection the night he probably attacked me. Chaotics were too cowardly to go after the right targets, took out Red_Spy and landlubber and all with Sephiroth's 3/3/3 WIS INT and CHA.

Greyblades

06-06-2011, 23:49

So.. the 25% thing extended to lynchings as well?

Choxorn

06-06-2011, 23:54

Askthepizzaguy

06-07-2011, 00:32

Earthling, be a good sport and stop insulting the Chaotics. You aren't good at catching mafia if you just pursue a billion suspects at once and then claim victory when the 5 that actually are mafia are among them.

But... but... that's my trademark strategy! Are you suggesting I am not as good as I think I am? :stare:

johnhughthom

06-07-2011, 00:34

But... but... that's my trademark strategy! Are you suggesting I am not as good as I think I am? :stare:

Pfft, you stole it from Sasaki.

Askthepizzaguy

06-07-2011, 00:44

Pfft, you stole it from Sasaki.

Lies.

Lies!

LIES!!!

Wager: 101 credits on Johnhughthom

johnhughthom

06-07-2011, 00:46

Gah, now you've done it. You weren't supposed to let on I'm Sephiroth...

Askthepizzaguy

06-07-2011, 00:47

Gah, now you've done it. You weren't supposed to let on I'm Sephiroth...

I am Sephiroth. That's why Sephiroth does all the lynches.

Durr! :laugh4:

Seon

06-07-2011, 01:07

No, I an Sephiroth! In disguise as a dead chaotic! And nobody knew! :laugh2:

a completely inoffensive name

06-07-2011, 02:13

And there you have it everyone. If you don't think that Earthling is scummy by now, I don't know what will convince you.

Choxorn

06-07-2011, 04:08

But... but... that's my trademark strategy! Are you suggesting I am not as good as I think I am? :stare:

You pursue a billion suspects, but not all at the same time, and you're at least nicer about it than Earthling is.

seireikhaan

06-07-2011, 06:36

I am Sephiroth. That's why Sephiroth does all the lynches.

Durr! :laugh4:
:stare:

/Stands up.

Kagemusha

06-07-2011, 06:38

So AsktheSepipizzaRothGuy, when will the document of you slaughtering us all be out in the public?

a completely inoffensive name

06-07-2011, 06:43

I have scanned Earthling to see if he was active tonight. I asked Kage to tell him to be inactive tonight and I have been informed that Earthling refused to be inactive tonight, under penalty of death as stated by Kage to him.

If my scan comes back as active for Earthling, Earthling needs to be lynched.

EDIT: Also, Kage said if he dies that Earthling should be lynched.

Kagemusha

06-07-2011, 06:49

That is true. We had a way to confirm that Earthling would be innocent and he straight up declined that offer. So i cant assume anything else other then that he is scum. If he is evil, then he should get the gameroom award of most uncooperative townie of the year.

Askthepizzaguy

06-07-2011, 07:03

NIGHT ELEVEN

Another mission
The powers have called me away
Another time
To carry the colors again
My motivation
An oath I've sworn to defend
To win the honor
Of coming back home again
No explanation
Will matter after we begin
Unlock the dark destroyer that's buried in me
My true vocation
And now my unfortunate friend
You will discover
A war you're unable to win

I'll have you know
That I've become

Indestructible
Determination that is incorruptible
From the other side
A terror to behold
Annihilation will be unavoidable
Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible
Take a last look around while you're alive
I'm an indestructible master of war

Another reason
Another cause for me to fight
Another fuse uncovered
Now, for me to light
My dedication
To all that I've sworn to protect
I carry out my orders
With not a regret
A declaration
Embedded deep under my skin
A permanent reminder
Of how we began
No hesitation
When I am commanding the strike
You need to know
That you're in for the fight of your life

You will be shown
How I've become

Indestructible
Determination that is incorruptible
From the other side
A terror to behold
Annihilation will be unavoidable
Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible
Take a last look around while you're alive
I'm an indestructible master of war

-- Disturbed

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/hell.jpg

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Winston Hughes looked up from his prayer book, and saw a figure with black wings and vicious-looking fangs standing in front of him. The figure was wielding a huge medieval mace covered in spikes.

The Pastor stood up, and prepared himself to meet his doom. The vampire attacked mercilessly, beating the evil Pastor to a bloody pulp, relishing in the sweet metallic taste of blood that splattered everywhere.

The vampire left the scene, covered in blood, with a cruel, victorious grin on its twisted face.

______________________________

A tall, powerful figure approached the fallen body of shlin28, and spoke some arcane words. Within moments, the corpse of the Boomerang Brother came back to life, and in perfect health. But the tall figure was already gone.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Boomer.png

______________________________

Kagemusha was ready. They knew it would come down to this....

Itchy and Scratchy donned the Tanooki Suit, and shielded themselves with the powerful Mirror Shield. With brass knuckles and golden lugers, the duo formed a nearly unstoppable presence. They were ready to do battle.

Itchy: "Come fight me, Sephiroth! Or are you too much of a chicken?"

Scratchy: "Yeah, those feathers sure make you look like one, tee-hee!"

And soon enough, the Angel came.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Seph.jpg

Sephiroth: "Do you really believe you have the power to stop me, with those trinkets?"

Itchy: "There's one way to find out. Come and face us!"

Scratchy: "You'll never get past these defenses, and we'll kill you for sure even if you try!"

Sephiroth: "You seem to be forgetting that I rule this universe.... I hold in the palm of my hands your very souls.... I can obliterate any of you... all of you... at any time. I hold all the cards. You continue to be, or cease to exist, at my whim."

Itchy: "You're bluffing. If you were really that powerful, then why make us think we can defeat you?"

Sephiroth: "I already told you why you were here. Weren't you listening? You were meant to prove yourselves worthy of existence. You failed."

Scratchy: "Even if what you were saying is true, then your game is unfair!"

Sephiroth: "Fair? You're nothing but a bunch of murderous evil criminals. Since when did you care about what is fair? I make the rules. I make the laws. I AM YOUR GOD!"

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Sephiroth.png

Itchy: "You need to die in the worst way."

Sephiroth: "Yes.... come and make me die, if you can!"

Sephiroth flew toward the twin figures of Itchy and Scratchy, wielding the deadly Masamune. The SOLDIER swung the blade, and it struck the body of Itchy, which had been turned to stone by the Tanooki suit.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Tanooki.jpg

Scratchy: "Taste hot lead, you creep!"

Scratchy pointed the golden luger at Sephiroth, and began firing the golden bullets at the Angelic One, but they all passed straight through his body, leaving him unharmed.

It was at this point that Sephiroth summoned dark magic, and began firing deadly shadowy orbs at Scratchy, who reflected them back at Sephiroth with the mirror shield.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Mirrorshield.png

The magical orbs struck the body of Sephiroth, exploding in a massive flare of dark power. Itchy and Scratchy both took cover, as the massive explosion rocked the center of the city.

When the smoke and ash cleared the air, and the shockwave had passed, Itchy and Scratchy looked up to see if their tormentor was gone.

Itchy: "No.... that can't be! That's impossible!!"

Scratchy: "Why won't you die? WHY???"

Sephiroth: "There is no escape. There is no way to win. You are too weak... you're nothing but insects compared to me. You aren't worthy of sharing an existence with me, even if you were to serve as my cowering, loyal dogs. Now you will experience final, everlasting death...."

Summoning all his power, Sephiroth lifted the cat and mouse into the air, and a ball of hot gasses began swirling around the cartoon duo. The ball of gas ignited , sending a shockwave of power throughout The Purgatory. The intense heat and light parted the skies, and shattered the buildings below. The swirling, burning mass then began to collapse in on itself, in a massive SUPERNOVA.

The Tanooki Suit could not protect the duo from this power, nor could the Mirror Shield redirect it back at Sephiroth. The Angel was Immune....

The bodies of Itchy and Scratchy fell from the heavens, flickering with momentary invulnerability. Sephiroth flew toward them, and swung the Masamune in a blinding, furious multi-strike.

The bloody bits and pieces of what was once Itchy and Scratchy incinerated as they fell from the sky, as the Angel Sephiroth laughed maniacally from the heavens. The smoke and the clouds swirled around Sephiroth, trapped in a vortex of power. The Angel held the 9 of Diamonds and the 8 of Hearts cards, and cackled with glee as they both caught fire and turned to dust.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/meteor-1.png

Sephiroth looked at the remaining cards in his hand, and grinned madly. Then he looked to the sky, and watched the METEOR fall.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Seph2.jpg

Sephiroth: "Time's up...."

______________________________

Summary of events:

shlin28 has been revived!

Winston Hughes has been murdered!

Winston Hughes was Pastor Richard Bird, of the Psychotic Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Cultleader.png

Winston Hughes was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/24.png

9 of Diamonds

Kagemusha has been murdered!

Kagemusha was Itchy and Scratchy, of the Springfield Mafia Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/ItchyandScratchy.png

Kagemusha was Evil!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/27.png

8 of Hearts

Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six

Alive Players- (6/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Beefy187
Earthling
Romanic
shlin28

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
Believer- Waylon Smithers [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) Queen of Spades
landlubber- Salvatore Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Diamonds
Bow-wow-wow- Beary the Bear [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 5 of Clubs
-------------Night Seven
Chaotix- Satan/KING DODONGO [CHAOTIC] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 2 of Hearts
Chaotix- King Dodongo/KAFEI [ANJU'S LOVER] South Park Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) King of Hearts
-------------Day Eight
Warman- Zapp Brannigan [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) Jack of Hearts
Crazed Rabbit- Vincenzo Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 6 of Clubs
dcmort93- Arnold "Colmillo" Grande [Evil]Dark Falls Mafia(Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin[Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 2 of Spades
Red_Spy- Alyssa Martin/ANJU[KAFEI'S LOVER] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Queen of Hearts
-------------Night Eight
God Emperor- YLC/REENKIS ROINKIS [CHAOTIC] Psychotic Mafia (SWORDS AND D20s (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120054-Swords-and-D20-s-Small-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Diamonds
-------------Day Nine
Link- Monty Burns [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Mini Simpsons Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?106845-Mini-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Game-Thread%29)) King of Spades
Subotan- Anthony Valerio [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Askthepizzaguy Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129734-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-In-Play)) 9 of Clubs
Skooma Addict- Fluffy Bunny [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia!?! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122738-SPEED-MAFIA%21-%21)) 4 of Hearts
TheFluffyOne93- Advice Dog [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (Speed Mafia! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119574-SPEED-MAFIA%21)) 5 of Hearts
-------------Night Nine
Psychonaut- Manbearpig [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 9 of Spades
-------------Day Ten
Visorslash- Saddam Hussein [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233844)) 4 of Clubs
issaikhaan- Pyramid Head [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (Silent Hill (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=377137)) Ace of Spades
Backwards Logic- Fire Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Hearts
-------------Night Ten
Greyblades- The Snatcher [Evil] Space Mafia (The Snatcher (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119908-The-Snatcher-%28Concluded%29))3 of Clubs
-------------Day Eleven
Winston Hughes- Satanic Pastor Richard Bird [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 9 of Diamonds
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia(The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
-------------Night Eleven

The Springfield Mafia Faction has been eliminated!

BEGIN DAY TWELVE

Max Wager is 120 credits.

Vote now on the following items

40% retaliatory kill chance. (Mirror Shield, allows you to kill your attacker)
10% retaliatory kill chance. (Giant cartoon mallet)

100% bulletproof chance. (Tanooki Suit)

10% defender chance. (Prayer book, can invoke divine intervention)
10% defender chance. (Brass knuckles, can be used to engage in a brawl)

100% ????? (White Eyes, unknown effects)
100% ????? (Pendant of Memories, unknown effects)

10% vigilante kill chance. (Golden Luger, can be used to sometimes perform a kill)

10% roleblock chance. (Parasite swarm, can severely impair someone's movements)
30% roleblock chance. (Cement shoes, can be used to stop someone from acting)