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This is worse than God Emperor dying.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
:P
Well played Renata, well played.
And you got my item! :(
Greyblades
05-16-2011, 11:36
...I was right about a good aligned faction?...uh... does this count as a good thing?
Oh and by the way, our chaotic friend is alive again. I guess our reviver is chaotic aswell.
No, this means we all suck. :P
Well. Who the hell do we lynch today?
Oh and by the way, our chaotic friend is alive again. I guess our reviver is chaotic aswell.
Must be. Damn it.
Suppose we vote for Diamondeye?
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 11:43
Those results and that writeup took longer than I anticipated.
Result PMs going out as soon as I get a chance. Max wager for this round is 70 credits.
A number of you asked me questions and I'll try to get to them ASAP.
God Emperor
05-16-2011, 11:50
This is worse than God Emperor dying.
(
What ? :laugh4: Edit: Ah I see now =>.
*brings a curse on Renata!* You tricky.. Sly... KITTEH !
@Backwards logic, now with Renata gone, I am not even certain what she has told you. Could we speak whenever you have the time ? (@ msn: ElvenVeil@hotmail.com)
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-16-2011, 11:56
Wait a second...
Bet: 20 credits on Diamondeye
Surely that fixes our problem?
Actually, why don't we ALL bet one credit on Diamondeye, so we don't lose many credits. Anyone who doesn't follow this pattern should be looked upon with suspiscion.
So fold and bet one Arpeg.
Bet: Diamoneye, 1 credit.
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-16-2011, 12:05
Surely we should bet all our credits, the logic being that if DE is confirmed scum, we'll get them all back in the end anyway.
But if there is a twist, (which there could be.) then we lost little.
I mean seriously, they knew we would lynch Diamondeye as soon as he was revived. But if he was revived as a different faction, then we'd all lose our credits.
There's always a twist with Pizza.
I suppose you're right. I'll wait until I get my PM from ATPG until I raise my bet.
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)
Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy
(Pizza, PM to you about the scoring.)
God Emperor
05-16-2011, 12:24
Wow Visor.. What a hoard of scummy posts. Please eloborate what information this 'new friend' has given you. And how does he *know* these things?
From my perspective you are just doing everything in your power to avoid the lynch of DE
If that's what you think, then lynch me. I don't want to reveal my source unless they okay it. But it makes sense that the reviver is chaotic.
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-16-2011, 12:30
What's going on with Link? Correct me if I'm wrong but he's been lurking for most of the game.
Fold; Bet: 5 credits on Link
EDIT: And GE I think that if Visor is scum, he's doing the world's worst job of being inconspicuous. Unless his tactic is to stand out and make the most obvious posts possible, I think we just have a very silly townie on our hands.
EDITEDIT: And ATPG, why can DE be revived but I can't get Ganon back? It makes me sad. He'll change his ways, honest.
johnhughthom
05-16-2011, 12:36
Well played Renata, I've been secretly rooting for you to get that victory.:yes:
I think we just have a very silly townie on our hands.
You'd be correct.
I have never recieved a scum role yet. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 12:41
Well played Renata, I've been secretly rooting for you to get that victory.:yes:
I note some have been saying how easy that victory was.
Hold your sentiment until you see the game setup, because honestly, Renata only made it look easy. That was perhaps the most difficult mission out of anyone's.
Winston Hughes
05-16-2011, 12:41
Just finished a marathon reading of the whole thread in all its insane glory (including the monstrous debacle that was Earthling vs MRD) to find that the top victory is lost already. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, DE has come back from the dead, thus ruining the one good thing to come out of Renata's labyrinthine manipulations. All that remains now is for pizza to send the PM explaining that the measly pile of credits my predecessor left behind has been stolen.
On the other hand, though... I didn't die! :elephant:
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 12:44
A maximum of 8 points is still possible for all living players, 7 or 6 for those who are dead and have/have not completed their personal objectives.
Just going to get a bit dog-eat-dog over the remaining win conditions, methinks.
Believer
05-16-2011, 12:45
Congratulations Renata!
Very well played throughout, I ain't even mad. :)
dcmort93
05-16-2011, 12:47
Not sure if you are done yet, but I would like to see my result pm asap
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 12:53
Not sure if you are done yet, but I would like to see my result pm asap
Sure, let me hurry up and do as many as I can....
:whip: Come on Pizza. You can do it.
Greyblades
05-16-2011, 13:02
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)
Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy
New friend huh? I dont believe we shouldlet diamond eye live this turn, we should lynch him with the fewest credits as possible and wait and see if he turns up chaotic again, if he does and he is ressurrected again tommorow night then we should ignore him until we kill another chaotic.
Ironside
05-16-2011, 13:04
Bah, correct yesterday and then putting the lynch to the second best target, from the best one. And he got ressurection bounceback. :furious3:
Killing off the chaotics still gives victory to the survivors though. So the game is still on. But this will be a lot messier.
And well played Renata. Wrong day to be distracted by my own case I suppose. :juggle2:
Visorslash, there's interesting that your source know exactly how this resurrection bussniess works. The last time mafia resurrection was in a big ATPG game, it could only be used every 2:ond day. Enough to be very annoying, but they couldn't simply keep him up forever with that setup.
Visorslash, there's interesting that your source know exactly how this resurrection bussniess works.
Only a 40% chance of it suceeding though so I agree, though that seriously sucks.
When Pizza gave me the role, he basically said "haha this is perfect for you, but you're not going to win".
I still sort of feel guilty, though -- it's one of those rare one-person victory conditions that doesn't end the game for the rest but does very much alter it (not least because I've skipped off with your vampire blood, chaotics (haha)). I hope my victory doesn't mess up enjoyment of the game for anyone else.
Yesterday's lynch of DE was just about the high point of my mafia career, though. An amazing thing, you have no idea.
@JHT: thank you, much appreciated. :)
And @ Ironside, you're still awesome.
Hrmmm, I'm one to think that victory may have been easy, with Renata knowing all the items were going (from item voting), kinda like my thief victory on CFC Star Wars, but anyway this doesn't spell defeat. A win is a win, and I don't care how many points I have, as long as I win. As should everyone else, so we still got to deal with the Chaotics.
bet: 10 credits on Diamondeye
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
Hey, no way. If they paid 180 credits to revive Diamondeye, then they got a reviver with 40% chance to revive every night. It's far from certain that they will succeed in reviving him tomorrow. If we don't lynch Diamondeye today, they might try to revive Seon tonight, which would even be worse!!
Diamondeye is a clear cut lynch for today, unless there's a very good reason not to, from the private information you have. If so, I think you need to reveal it.
I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)
Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy
Voting an inactive player??? Do you really think he's the necromancer? It would be a surprise.
And what about my actions? What are you not liking? :smug2:
When Pizza gave me the role, he basically said "haha this is perfect for you, but you're not going to win".
I still sort of feel guilty, though -- it's one of those rare one-person victory conditions that doesn't end the game for the rest but does very much alter it (not least because I've skipped off with your vampire blood, chaotics (haha)). I hope my victory doesn't mess up enjoyment of the game for anyone else.
Yesterday's lynch of DE was just about the high point of my mafia career, though. An amazing thing, you have no idea.
@JHT: thank you, much appreciated. :)
Get away from me!!!! :smug2:
And congrats.
*spits*
Fold; Bet 70 credits on The Angel
I want out. :P
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)
Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy
You and Greyblades are Mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 14:04
Fold; Bet 70 credits on The Angel
I want out. :P
This is not a valid wager, as all wagers must be on players.
Of course Renata looks awesomely non-Chaotic from all this.
Looks like I was right and you were wrong, Romanic. She was scum just as I said.
Hrmmm, I'm one to think that victory may have been easy, with Renata knowing all the items were going (from item voting), ...
Perhaps. But check it out:
* 10% defender chance. (Purple lightsaber, can be used to defend someone) SPACE MAFIA
* 80% chance of theft (Blaster, can be used to stun someone and take their things)
* 10% bulletproof chance. (King Arthur's shield, can protect one from attack. Or is it five?) PYTHON MAFIA
* 100% conversion chance. (Vampire blood- can only be used twice when all allies are destroyed) DARK FALLS MAFIA / CHAOTIC
* 10% retaliatory kill chance. (Fireball) EVIL MAFIA
* 10% bus driver chance. (Advice Dog Meme, can be used to give bad advice to someone) BIZARRO MAFIA
* 10% investigatory chance. (SkyNet analysis database, can be used to detect scum) COSA NOSTRA
* 50% silencer chance. (Gag, can be used to silence someone for an entire day phase) SPRINGFIELD MAFIA
* 10% vigilante kill chance. (Giant psychotic sword of doom) PSYCHOTIC MAFIA
* 10% roleblock chance. (14 bottles of vegetable oil, can be used to keep someone "busy" all night) SOUTH PARK MAFIA
Minus the two I was voted myself, not one had ever come up for vote. I did it the "honest" way. :bow:
So the Angel is a player and we need to lynch him to escape.
Thanks for that.
Fold; Bet: 1 credit on Diamondeye
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 14:10
I hope my victory doesn't mess up enjoyment of the game for anyone else.
Serial killer/Joker victories are much the same way. At least here, you can win without it ending the game for everyone else, just removing 2 possible points from them.
This is the most cruel that I am when it comes to one-person goals, and it's still a whole heck of a lot better than the evil JOKER roles.
Serial killers not usually, since their method of victory (and very existence in the game) is typically so open. But jesters, yes, of course, and also Mad Bombers, which I haven't ever actually seen on this site.
Anyway, I have accepted an offer to learn the game set-up, so my substantive contributions to this thread have ended until the game does. Enjoy. :)
Surely we should bet all our credits, the logic being that if DE is confirmed scum, we'll get them all back in the end anyway.
Exactly.
Bet: 22 Credits on DE
Anyone trying to muddy the waters = :skull:.
Ironside
05-16-2011, 14:37
And @ Ironside, you're still awesome.
Just feeling a bit annoyed that my most epic moment this far publically, probably costed me the victory in the game. Pyrric victory indeed.
But there's more moments I suppose.
Looks like I was right and you were wrong, Romanic.
She still wasn't Chaotic. She was "worse" (by single induvidual power, the Chaotics combined is still worse), but not a Chaotic.
I still say you were somewhat off, or you would've only switched the order of my DE and Renata offer (both were hostile and my case was quite strong). Might not've made a difference, but it would at least made me not classify you as singlemindedly lying to get to Renata, while having fun.
See the thing with Chaotics are that we know about their goals, while other factions might have other goals. And Renata didn't play as a Chaotic.
Anyway, with this new information, we know that the Chaotics had a reason for going for Renata and this is the reason for why DE exposed himself. That clears Grayblades and Visorslash quite a bit, but makes the early Renata voters more interesting. I still say Chaotix have been off.
I say to put pressure on someone else than DE today. He can be roleblocked, killed, looted etc tonight and is as far as we know only a scanner and not one of the big killers.
Greyblades
05-16-2011, 14:39
You and Greyblades are Mafia.
Ugh I'd give all my credits for jolt to shut up.
Winston Hughes
05-16-2011, 14:40
Bet: 10 credits on DE
She still wasn't Chaotic. She was "worse" (by single induvidual power, the Chaotics combined is still worse), but not a Chaotic.
I still say you were somewhat off, or you would've only switched the order of my DE and Renata offer (both were hostile and my case was quite strong). Might not've made a difference, but it would at least made me not classify you as singlemindedly lying to get to Renata, while having fun.
No, I am bound by rules with what I can say. Either way, looks like I know what I am talking about and told the town she was the biggest threat and said "anti-mafia" in reference to her and even "town/good" when the opportunity allowed me.
Don't make weak excuses for your own complete failings or dare point any finger at me when I told you since the start to stay away from Renata and that she was scum.
Diamondeye
05-16-2011, 15:30
:hide:
I am so :daisy:ing frustrated about this :daisy:, you know! No salting the wounds, we're still fighting over the scraps...
I note some have been saying how easy that victory was.
Hold your sentiment until you see the game setup, because honestly, Renata only made it look easy. That was perhaps the most difficult mission out of anyone's.
Meh... Maybe if you say so but it sure was an inconvenient obstruction...
Just finished a marathon reading of the whole thread in all its insane glory (including the monstrous debacle that was Earthling vs MRD) to find that the top victory is lost already. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, DE has come back from the dead, thus ruining the one good thing to come out of Renata's labyrinthine manipulations. All that remains now is for pizza to send the PM explaining that the measly pile of credits my predecessor left behind has been stolen.
On the other hand, though... I didn't die! :elephant:
Oh, that can be arranged... :beam:
When Pizza gave me the role, he basically said "haha this is perfect for you, but you're not going to win".
I still sort of feel guilty, though -- it's one of those rare one-person victory conditions that doesn't end the game for the rest but does very much alter it (not least because I've skipped off with your vampire blood, chaotics (haha)). I hope my victory doesn't mess up enjoyment of the game for anyone else.
Yesterday's lynch of DE was just about the high point of my mafia career, though. An amazing thing, you have no idea.
I... You... I said no salting the wound!... If it had been anyone but me I think you would have hung yesterday and then this and meh I am angry right now.
Also, Romanic, nice job trusting mister reviver... I'm actually flattered you haven't outed him to the town yet, but that's your choice, obviously. Then again, if Renata managed to lead you by the nose for all this way, perhaps you're not even sure he's scum?
Will be back a little later, perhaps with a role reveal :laugh4: - But just to put it up here; Cosa Nostra guys, you'll want to keep me alive. You need those points from the faction victory now...!
thefluffyone93
05-16-2011, 15:31
OI!!!
RENATA JACKED MAH BUS DRIVER ITEM?
RUUUUUUDE!
And did Beskar know about this, or was he gunning for Renata for another reason?
Kagemusha
05-16-2011, 16:22
Gah!Gah! And Bah! So i was right all along.Not Chaotic, but "Good".That word makes me sick!:bigcry:
Fantastic play from Renata! :balloon2:
As for votes... Bet: 1 credit on Diamondeye
About items, some very interesting stuff here, I would like to Vote 10% bus driver chance. (golden powder) to my self to help me do what I do best, but what about "??% ???? (WHITE EYES) Unknown Item"? It is obviously a Chaotic thing, very possibly a weapon that allows for nearly 100% kills. I personally wouldn't trust anyone with it, but unless we can destroy the item or give it to no-one, the only alternative is to give it to an innocent. Any ideas?
Also, I have 2 very important A2 exams on Thursday and Friday, so expect my participation to be minimal for the next few days :embarassed:
Bow-wow-wow
05-16-2011, 16:58
I still think that the chaotic are hiding in the shadows, some of the players that seemingly never talk. I think it would be best to vote for somebody who we don't suspect. The players who have not talked in a while are: Beleiver, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Psyconaut, Red_Spy, Warman, and Yaseikhaan.
I know that DE just got revived but I find it hard to beleive that the other chaotics would be dumb enough to revive him if he was still chaotic. They had to know that we would lynch him immediatly and unless they think we will think this which I doubt, to me it seems like a trap. Or rather a distraction.
Bet:15 credits on Red_Spy
And did Beskar know about this, or was he gunning for Renata for another reason?
I scum read her from the beginning and then later investigated her. Hence my comments the entire thread and my other comments about Renata being biggest threat.
In short, the Evil faction shot itself in the foot by not listening to me and those who didn't listen to me can only blame themselves. No weak excuses are permitted here, if you didn't vote Renata, you screwed up really badly and you get the special "herp derp" award.
Extra points to those actively helping Renata too, damn, you guys were fooled so badly. It is hilarious, even after my countless warnings.
Bow-wow-wow
05-16-2011, 17:05
•10% bulletproof chance. (blue Jaguar XK 120, allows for a quick escape) to Kagemusha
•10% vigilante kill chance. (Red lightsaber, can be used to attack someone) to me.
•10% retaliatory kill chance. (The animator Terry Gilliam, who suffers a fatal heart attack when you die....) to the fluffyone
•10% bus driver chance. (golden powder, can cause exposions and disorientation) to Slin28
•10% investigatory chance. (Jedi Holocron, allows you to learn more about someone) FACTION SCANNING ITEM to Ironside
•??% ???? (WHITE EYES) Unknown Item to me
I'm starting this up again, I'm also voting myself 2 items just because I am curious about those White eyes.
I still think that the chaotic are hiding in the shadows, some of the players that seemingly never talk. I think it would be best to vote for somebody who we don't suspect. The players who have not talked in a while are: Beleiver, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Psyconaut, Red_Spy, Warman, and Yaseikhaan.
I know that DE just got revived but I find it hard to beleive that the other chaotics would be dumb enough to revive him if he was still chaotic. They had to know that we would lynch him immediatly and unless they think we will think this which I doubt, to me it seems like a trap. Or rather a distraction.
Bet:15 credits on Red_Spy
Ok. So the kill list is currently:
Visorslash
and
Bow-wow-wow
Interestingly I've tried to vig these two before to no avail. Anyone feel the urge to vig, then hitting these two would make me very moist.
Death is yonder
05-16-2011, 17:11
And did Beskar know about this, or was he gunning for Renata for another reason?
Very likely to be just Beskar's usual way with words, casting his actions in a very positive light :tongue:
I scum read her from the beginning and then later investigated her. Hence my comments the entire thread and my other comments about Renata being biggest threat.
In short, the Evil faction shot itself in the foot by not listening to me and those who didn't listen to me can only blame themselves. No weak excuses are permitted here, if you didn't vote Renata, you screwed up really badly and you get the special "herp derp" award.
Extra points to those actively helping Renata too, damn, you guys were fooled so badly. It is hilarious, even after my countless warnings.
Because Beskar's just about right about everything :wink:
I still think that the chaotic are hiding in the shadows, some of the players that seemingly never talk. I think it would be best to vote for somebody who we don't suspect. The players who have not talked in a while are: Beleiver, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Psyconaut, Red_Spy, Warman, and Yaseikhaan.
I know that DE just got revived but I find it hard to beleive that the other chaotics would be dumb enough to revive him if he was still chaotic. They had to know that we would lynch him immediatly and unless they think we will think this which I doubt, to me it seems like a trap. Or rather a distraction.
Bet:15 credits on Red_Spy
Oh you mean lurkers like Bow-wow-wow who had a faction scan item from like round 1/2 and didn't talk much in public as well as oddly pursue the Renata case instead of the Diamondeye one and is trying to distance himself away from it now? :grin:
Precisely bow-wow, it is a distraction from juicier targets, Diamondeye is obviously still acting like revealed scum still because he is one, there is no difference. It is only behavior such as this with paranoid and possibly misguided thoughts that prolong his life span and extend the usefulness of the distraction :beam:
And also you voted items to Ironside (dead) and Kage (dead since night 1) :tongue:, and about the white eyes... well, curiosity kills the err cat bow wow
On another note, congrats to Renata :bow:
Interesting to see how this is going to pan out, now if you'll excuse me, I got a national exam to prepare for, send my regards to your buddies DE, timing was just about right :laugh4:
Greyblades
05-16-2011, 17:16
*Grumbles* Well done Reneta.
Death is yonder
05-16-2011, 17:17
Also, to all the people voting Red Spy, you realize that you are voting to try and lynch someone who is probably going to be WoG'd right? :yes:
Or has a valid excuse that ended up with him being totally inactive and nevertheless exonerated.
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
I can claim for sure it isn't Warman and that he is town. I'm willing to bet that Greyblades is town considering recent actions. I am not like Romanic's actions at the moment, or the fact that Red SPy has't been replaced. Either he is away, which I doubt, or he is lurking. (Most likely as mafia.)
Either way, Fold; Bet: 5 Red Spy
So Visor, you want to explain how you genuinely bussed your partner last phase and tried to edge away from suspicion that was cast on you?
Not to mention you could care to explain how you jumped to the conclusion as to why Red Spy is somehow guilty. I'd imagine that scummers who want to win the game would actually bother to post in thread.
Thanks to information from a new friend, we should NOT lynch Diamondeye. Otherwise they will keep reviving him or Seon every night phase and keep killing us as well. We NEED to find the reviver badly.
Hey, hey, hey. If it isn't my old buddy Perfect Information Syndrome. Plus that makes no sense. We shouldn't lynch known scum? Try your low-grade tricks elsewhere they won't fool me, I'm far too delicious to ever believe the crazy stories you're creating.
Kagemusha
05-16-2011, 17:27
Its a bitter loss this one. I guess as the major winning condition is out from reach, now it will go into factional infighting, so i doubt i will be resurrected. Hopefully atleast some might think that i can play as pro town player also after this one. Simply read´s can give out just about anyone in these games, like i know from personal experience myself also.:bow:
now it will go into factional infighting,
There's the matter of finding the smelly pink rubber-muffins hiding among us first.
Because Beskar's just about right about everything :wink:
Correct, thank you for recognizing my genius.
Looks like I was right and you were wrong, Romanic. She was scum just as I said.
Ewwwww!!!!
Also, Romanic, nice job trusting mister reviver... I'm actually flattered you haven't outed him to the town yet, but that's your choice, obviously. Then again, if Renata managed to lead you by the nose for all this way, perhaps you're not even sure he's scum?
Ewwwww!!!!!
I feel your love guys, I really do.
Sorry, but I missed the memo about the "greatest mafia player" contest, or I would have brought me some arguments to play on, but I didn't so yes, you two are much better than me. :laugh4:
Sorry, but I missed the memo about the "greatest mafia player" contest, or I would have brought me some arguments to play on, but I didn't so yes, you two are much better than me. :laugh4:
I could go back in the thread to where you told some one who accused Renata along the lines of:
*rofl* you are definitely good mafia player (sarcasm)
Guess who is laughing it up now.
Diamondeye
05-16-2011, 17:55
I'd like to offer the town a compromise. I want to complete my faction goals, and I need to be alive to do that. I'm the scum team's scanner, not one of the killers, so leaving me alive is harmless until you've caught the primary killer(s). If you let me live and give me back my items, I will reveal my scans after each night. For what that's worth, I'm forced to clear a suspect each night or deliver you a scumbuddy. I will obviously still scan after my own taste, the Cosa Nostra will know what factions I am looking for, since they need the same people dead as I do.
With that said;
Jedi Holocron, Golden Powder and White Eyes to Diamondeye
Lightsaber, Jaguar and Terry Gilliam to Bow-wow-wow.
Please consider my offer. I'd rather not have to throw in 70 of my credits to save myself today.
Earthling
05-16-2011, 17:55
Backwards Logic, shlin you guys need to talk to me in private, tell me what you know. Otherwise, nice job fooling some fools Renata, I don't know why people blindly trust you and vote you items all the time. Anyway who knew the specifics of the other items that Renata stole, like stealing from me all the way back Night Two, needs to come talk as well. All that time you were criticizing me I was going to bring up the last big game we were in where you (Innocent, but bossing everyone around) gave Nuclear Codes to a serial killer and helped him nearly achieve total victory, nearly killing the rest of us. This time at least she herself was the one-man/serial killer role.
All items are going to me or Backwards logic guys. And anti-chaotic victory still counts as a victory, just not full points for that alone.
Also, a question for the host: Are all members of the Space Mafia Faction removed from play as of now?
Bet: 5 credits on Diamondeye. I'm not sure there's proof it's the same reviver even guys, the chaotics could have done this on their own, wastes a day for us anyway. Visorslash and a couple others are good follow-ups, but we need to put somebody trustworthy and powerful enough like me at the center of the mafia network now, or at least have BL and anyone who remains from the Renata mess get their stuff together.
Kagemusha
05-16-2011, 18:00
Ewwwww!!!!
Ewwwww!!!!!
I feel your love guys, I really do.
Sorry, but I missed the memo about the "greatest mafia player" contest, or I would have brought me some arguments to play on, but I didn't so yes, you two are much better than me. :laugh4:
While you might have missed memo or two.Maybe you would like to reveal the name of the necromancer who brought Diamondeye back, as he seems to be the same certain person who you together with Renata were so worried to reveal as important pro town player, while still were ready to sacrifice this person in order for Renata´s survival. There is no need for Diamondeye , to be lynched as he can be killed during night. We need to now either slaughter the Renata "ring" or you people have to start singing like little birds.
Someone really now needs to step up in his game and start demanding information from the Renata circle, so the space mafia fellows wrapped around her fingers can be separated from the Chaotics she was flirting with.
Diamondeye
05-16-2011, 18:01
While you might have missed memo or two.Maybe you would like to reveal the name of the necromancer who brought Diamondeye back, as he seems to be the same certain person who you together with Renata were so worried to reveal as important pro town player, while still were ready to sacrifice this person in order for Renata´s survival. There is no need for Diamondeye , to be lynched as he can be killed during night. We need to now either slaughter the Renata "ring" or you people have to start singing like little birds.
Someone really now needs to step up in his game and start demading information from the Renata circel, so the space mafia fellows wrapped around her fingers can be separated from the Chaotics she was flirting with.
I don't think Romanic is comfortable revealing the reviver. Perhaps some pressure on him is in order!
Bet 25: Romanic
Earthling
05-16-2011, 18:06
Someone really now needs to step up in his game and start demanding information from the Renata circle, so the space mafia fellows wrapped around her fingers can be separated from the Chaotics she was flirting with.
I have been willing to be a townie leader since since DAY ONE, after all. You know my role and I'm not chaotic, give me some items finally, Renata stole mine after all and that's finally revealed, and all the info from BL and shlin otherwise, and we will take down the chaotics. And compared to anyone else I still probably have a better real chance of surviving their nightkill attempts, now that Renata's nonsense of directing vigilantes against other Innocents and all is over.
Backwards Logic
05-16-2011, 18:11
I still think that the chaotic are hiding in the shadows, some of the players that seemingly never talk. I think it would be best to vote for somebody who we don't suspect. The players who have not talked in a while are: Beleiver, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Psyconaut, Red_Spy, Warman, and Yaseikhaan.
I know that DE just got revived but I find it hard to beleive that the other chaotics would be dumb enough to revive him if he was still chaotic. They had to know that we would lynch him immediately and unless they think we will think this which I doubt, to me it seems like a trap. Or rather a distraction.
Bet:15 credits on Red_Spy
I bolded the main part. The Chaotics would revive DE for the very obvious reason: the Evil ones will waste a day lynching him, meaning it's one more day phase we're not possibly lynching any of the murderers. Nevermind DE is also prime vig fodder as well which does the exact same thing for them. Quite frankly, until we get another Chaotic or two, preferably one who's been killing, then we can go back and kill DE. Your vote to distract off of DE and onto a seemingly inactive reeks of scumminess to me. While I agree some are blending in, Red_Spy hasn't done anything in forever and is virtually an unknown. He's someone we vig, not waste credits on gambling he's chaotic. The underlined part is also interesting. This is the first time you've said this, and your actions to this point involve voting big on Renata, voting MRD and Earthling, and bandwagoning YLC late on day two. Hardly ringing endorsements that you 'still' think the chaotics are the inactive ones. Earlier, we also have:
I still think Renata is scum but I can't prove it to anybody and nobody will beleive me anymore since she took all of the attention away from herself. To be honest looking at Renatas' argument vs DEs, Renatas' seems to have a lot more holes in it. People are talking about the faction scan and saying how she can't be mafia but there are a lot of different roles in this game with unique abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody is helping Renata to frame DE and deceiving us all. That is, all but me.
In the mean time I will double down or fold and re-bet or erhh, I'm bad with these poker terms.
Fold, Bet:10 on Renata
Nice defense of DE here without actually defending him. Renata wasn't getting killed at this point which explains the 2/3 credit fold, but it doesn't explain why you kept voting Renata since she was under no pressure to get lynched by this point. It's an odd bet, one that feels very out of place. Now a revived DE is voting you items, specifically vigilante, bulletproof, and retaliatory kill items. That's awesome.
Bet: 15 credits Bow-wow-wow and
Vote: All items to me.
This is my one day off from work before my week from hell begins, so if you want to talk, shoot me a PM and we'll talk. Otherwise, I'll be pretty much silent for the rest of the week.
I could go back in the thread to where you told some one who accused Renata along the lines of:
*rofl* you are definitely good mafia player (sarcasm)
Guess who is laughing it up now.
Where was that? I don't think that I said anything close to "*rofl* you are definitely good mafia player (sarcasm)".
Anyway, what's your point here Beskar? I got that you think you were right and I was wrong but I'm just not going to start an argument about this with you. I know how pointless it would be.
Even if I was wrong about Renata being Evil, the actual result isn't bad for the Evil team. Our team victory is worth less but all we need to do to win is complete one of faction/personal/survival goal and we still win if we beat the Chaotics. Plus Renata got rid of the conversion item for us, yay!
Maybe the result isn't good for you then? Is that why you look annoyed? [for lack of a better word]
Earthling
05-16-2011, 18:19
Backwards Logic why haven't you succeeded on a vig-kill yet? We should talk about that. Or for that matter not a single one of Renata's attempted vig-kills ever seem to have worked, unless maybe that one hit on Blackadder in the writeup was one. Someone in that former Renata group is at like 50% vig-kill from items or something by now, right? Was it just bad luck the last couple nights or blocked or chaotics are evading attacks or what - we definitely should talk.
Bow-wow-wow I've said like a dozen times in the past few days you need to reveal all of your scan info and your own factional role and goals. That is a good case if you won't step forward now, though we have a sure thing on Diamondeye so I'd rather try to vig folks like you and Visor and lynch DE today, and being low on credits I can't do much to decide the lynch anyway. It's definitely true though that other than being voted a scan item in a random backscratching trade you've done nothing at all to indicate you're not chaotic and a lot of bad votes and lurkeriness that would say you are.
vote: all items to Backwards Logic is ok right now though. I might want the retaliatory and bulletproof now if we can manage the votes though, you probably have more items than you have actions but that's ok, they are not in chaotic hands, and we can stop passing items on to others haphazardly, especially if it's just someone like Roman left from the Renata network.
Earthling
05-16-2011, 18:21
yeah Roman the Psycho mafia and Space mafia are almost certainly rivals, given how much the dead Jolt and Beskar have been whining about living players on one of the two factions. The simple answer is for mythmonster's replacement, whichever of the replacement players that is, to reveal who the Psychotic's enemies are. And already asked if all the Space players are dead or removed from play, though there could have been six of them, but the faction victory for their enemies would presumably not have been achieved as Renata escaped alive.
seireikhaan
05-16-2011, 18:25
Where was that? I don't think that I said anything close to "*rofl* you are definitely good mafia player (sarcasm)".
Anyway, what's your point here Beskar? I got that you think you were right and I was wrong but I'm just not going to start an argument about this with you. I know how pointless it would be.
Even if I was wrong about Renata being Evil, the actual result isn't bad for the Evil team. Our team victory is worth less but all we need to do to win is complete one of faction/personal/survival goal and we still win if we beat the Chaotics. Plus Renata got rid of the conversion item for us, yay!
Maybe the result isn't good for you then? Is that why you look annoyed? [for lack of a better word]
Well, you did tell me to go read the thread. :wink: Anywhos,
Bet: 29 credits on Romanic
I recall the last time I conceded and ceased being petty a good person got away. And, I'm pretty much near a total loss anyways(on account of Renata stealing a win-con from me and running away with it, thanks), I'mma go all in on this one.
Backwards Logic
05-16-2011, 18:25
Who says I haven't succeeded in vig killing? Robbiecon was done by my hand, and evidence can be found in the writeup it was me. Basically, for now anyway, I'm vig'ing the silent ones as opposed to being forced to 1) waste credits lynching them and hoping they're Chaotic or 2) hoping ATPG WoG's them. Regardless, they're not helping.
Earthling
05-16-2011, 18:34
Ah, I see, seems like there were two separate attackers on robbiecon but you would be one of them. That really begs the question why? Wasn't he, Roman, and Believer like Renata's network of people this whole time, ever since she somehow convinced them to follow her following the first lynch attempt of MRD? There's a small list of people I'd trust to be evil, Death is yonder dying hurts, but we need to talk together, probably should move to PM.
And just for everyone knowing for the sake of it, strongly seems like we're almost guaranteed to not have WoGs and any replacement players that would come are likely to come from the list of dead players, most "reserve" players on that original list were actually unavailable according to the host. So something to keep in mind, at any rate someone who appears totally inactive like Red_Spy is not my call of a target for anything either.
While you might have missed memo or two.Maybe you would like to reveal the name of the necromancer who brought Diamondeye back, as he seems to be the same certain person who you together with Renata were so worried to reveal as important pro town player, while still were ready to sacrifice this person in order for Renata´s survival. There is no need for Diamondeye , to be lynched as he can be killed during night. We need to now either slaughter the Renata "ring" or you people have to start singing like little birds.
Someone really now needs to step up in his game and start demanding information from the Renata circle, so the space mafia fellows wrapped around her fingers can be separated from the Chaotics she was flirting with.
Where did you get that BL's reviver is the same player who revived DE? It's not. The chaotics are reviving their own.
I'm the reviver, obviously, and not caring much about revealing this info anymore since I've been attacked two nights in a row but failed both times.
Green eye killer attacked me on Night 5:
The green eyes shone in the night, focused on the hapless victim. He approached, wielding a massive blade, preparing to finish the tall, powerful figure with a single stroke. Sword raised, he smirked victoriously.
In an instant, the tall, powerful figure disappeared with a flash. The being with the green eyes paused for a moment, wondering what had happened.
In a few seconds, another figure appeared, and she seemed disoriented. She was a stunning woman....
Ironside: "What's going on here?"
With a shrug, the green eyed figure swung the massive blade, decapitating the beautiful woman without mercy or sentiment. He stared off into the night with intense eyes.... it wasn't clear if he was savoring the kill, or searching for the one who got away.
It started to rain from the cloudy skies. The rain sounded like a cascade of pebbles hitting the ground, they struck with such force. The rain washed the blood from the blade, and a tide of red poured from the fallen Ironside, flowing like a river into the sewer.
The green eyed figure smiled again, with malevolence.
Attack of the Green eye killer on Night 6
The green-eyed being approached once more. This time, he was going to kill.... and nothing was going to stop him.
The tall, powerful figure expected the attack this time, and prepared a magical shield. The green-eyed attacker just laughed, and prepared to cleave right through the shield with its long, impossibly powerful blade.
Suddenly, a familiar flash engulfed the tall, powerful figure once more, and it disappeared. In its place, there was a tiny, tiny creature.
"What? I don't believe it.... not again."
The tiny creature was protected by the magic shield, but seemed otherwise quite defenseless. The green-eyed figure summoned a meteor from the sky, and sent it crashing down upon the tiny creature inside the shimmering sphere of light.
The shield held, miraculously.
"I will destroy you. It is only a matter of time. Your luck is running out."
The Green-eyed figure walked away, seething with anger.
I survived both because I was busdrived for my protection, and Renata organized the first busdrive, which is why I vouched for her. It would have been surprising that she was Chaotic if the busdrive she organized saved my life. Fine, she wasn't Evil either, but what can you do? I didn't expect a neutral to affect my victory conditions. As Earthling said yesterday, the Evil goal is to kill all the Chaotics so once DE flipped chaotic yesterday, I was trusting Renata all the way.
Big deal she won her own victory, it's not game over for us yet.
Now if some players are willing to lynch me over a known Chaotic (Diamondeye), I don't understand. Obviously I can't be Chaotic with Diamondeye, given the history and his vote on me today. Not sure what you expect to find?
Btw, I'm Evil Mafia, just like BL, which is why I revived him first, after which I failed two nights in a row.
Kagemusha
05-16-2011, 18:44
Im going to read the thread backwards a bit and come up with some suggestions with bit of time. As i mentioned during the Renata pressure round.It might have been a great turn for the town. I am quite sure we can find lot of interesting things from the voting patterns and other behaviour of certain people from that round. For now i would suggest keeping the bets in minimal size. Any credits that are still left might become more then valuable in near future.
EDIT: Thanks for this information Romanic. Lynching Diamondeye is waist of lynch right now as he can be killed during night. Can you tell us are you from the space mafia faction?
Where was that? I don't think that I said anything close to "*rofl* you are definitely good mafia player (sarcasm)".
My mistake, you said "*rofl*, this guy sucks at mafia." but it was actually about yourself, I thought it was to another player and not yourself.
Diamondeye
05-16-2011, 18:55
He's not, he's Evil Mafia, he just said... But I can double-check if you gimme my stuff
My mistake, you said "*rofl*, this guy sucks at mafia." but it was actually about yourself, I thought it was to another player and not yourself.
Ah yes, that. :smug2:
Im going to read the thread backwards a bit and come up with some suggestions with bit of time. As i mentioned during the Renata pressure round.It might have been a great turn for the town. I am quite sure we can find lot of interesting things from the voting patterns and other behaviour of certain people from that round. For now i would suggest keeping the bets in minimal size. Any credits that are still left might become more then valuable in near future.
EDIT: Thanks for this information Romanic. Lynching Diamondeye is waist of lynch right now as he can be killed during night. Can you tell us are you from the space mafia faction?
Lynching Diamondeye is not a waste. One successful revive will grant their reviver 40% chance to revive someone at night, it's not a gimme. If we don't lynch DE, he will try to revive Seon and we may have another revived Chaotic to deal with.
In my opinion, we need to lynch Diamondeye today, unless we have a big clue who the Chaotic reviver is, but we don't at the moment.
Believer
05-16-2011, 19:02
I scum read her from the beginning and then later investigated her. Hence my comments the entire thread and my other comments about Renata being biggest threat.
In short, the Evil faction shot itself in the foot by not listening to me and those who didn't listen to me can only blame themselves. No weak excuses are permitted here, if you didn't vote Renata, you screwed up really badly and you get the special "herp derp" award.
Extra points to those actively helping Renata too, damn, you guys were fooled so badly. It is hilarious, even after my countless warnings.
The cuteness of the kitteh and her power-position as Chief-Lady Snugglebunny made me fall. Forgive me mighty Beskar, I am but an(D) pawn in your game of Scandinavian Defense.
Bet:10 credits on Diemondieue(Diamondeye)
In my opinion, we need to lynch Diamondeye today, unless we have a big clue who the Chaotic reviver is, but we don't at the moment.
I do know (my) killer, but I need to be revived so I don't rule break by saying anything.
Ironside
05-16-2011, 19:14
No, I am bound by rules with what I can say. Either way, looks like I know what I am talking about and told the town she was the biggest threat and said "anti-mafia" in reference to her and even "town/good" when the opportunity allowed me.
Don't make weak excuses for your own complete failings or dare point any finger at me when I told you since the start to stay away from Renata and that she was scum.
You do read her well (and so does Kage) and I admit that I would've done the wrong priority anyway on that day. I'm mainly annoyed for correctly calling you a lier, while being horribly wrong on why you lied, thus losing more on it. Got me to defend her on the wrong reasons as well.
Oh, DE the only Costa Nostra that would earn anything on keeping you alive would be the dead ones that done their personal objective and they would still win with a Evil victory. Any other scenario is a draw or a loss, where your death still is an improvement. And simply being alive is enough to win when the town wins.
I'm not sure why I would need to remind you about that. :juggle2:
Earthling
05-16-2011, 19:16
I wouldn't encourage reviving Beskar until we get confirmation of who the faction enemies of the Space Mafia and Psychotics were. Kage is a fine choice though. Roman, care to finish off your piece of the puzzle, the Evil Mafia are enemies of Cosa Nostra and [what goes here]? For remaining factions, I'm serious that we should be utterly merciless on random folks out there like South Park (also no dead cover roles here, could have 5-6 total characters) if they won't come and claim their faction and its goals and try to work against the chaotics with us.
Also, Roman, if you're the reviver, this leaves me a little concerned - what has been up with shlin? I assume he was part of the Renata network for a while and he's supposedly Evil Mafia, but still, haven't heard from him for a while and apparently he wouldn't have any major night actions accounted for lately. Care to explain a little more in private, and do you guys think you're the only Evil Mafia remaining or is there a sixth? (some factions have to have six by the math at this point, we should of course be watching out for cover roles still)
Evil Mafia's rivals are the Cosa Nostra and Spacers. I for one don't care about people's factions - do note that I continued to trust Renata even though Earthling told me that she was a Spacer a week ago! Faction infighting is so over-rated, so would any living Cosa Nostra please don't co-operate with DE? :no:
Fold, Bet 10 Credits on DE
Edit: Actually, looking at the deaths so far, the list er... appears to be very incriminating for the Evil Faction, but I for one HAS NOT agreed to nor participated in any attacks on my rivals in a deliberate attempt to wipe them out!
I wouldn't encourage reviving Beskar until we get confirmation of who the faction enemies of the Space Mafia and Psychotics were. Kage is a fine choice though. Roman, care to finish off your piece of the puzzle, the Evil Mafia are enemies of Cosa Nostra and [what goes here]?
'Enemies' of the Evil Mafia are : Cosa Nostra and Space Mafia.
Also, Roman, if you're the reviver, this leaves me a little concerned - what has been up with shlin? I assume he was part of the Renata network for a while and he's supposedly Evil Mafia, but still, haven't heard from him for a while and apparently he wouldn't have any major night actions accounted for lately. Care to explain a little more in private, and do you guys think you're the only Evil Mafia remaining or is there a sixth? (some factions have to have six by the math at this point, we should of course be watching out for cover roles still)
Hmmm, shlin has been active. You can look up his posts in this thread.
Also, I don't think the theory that each faction has one non-Evil in their ranks since we now know that Space mafia had two (Jolt - neutral, Renata - Town). It's possible that the Evil Mafia, or another, has none. And I don't know if there's a 6th Evil mafia member around.
Forgot something...
Unvote all items
Vote all items to BL
I'm mainly annoyed for correctly calling you a lier,
Sorry to burst your bubble, you got that wrong as well.
thefluffyone93
05-16-2011, 20:24
So all in all this game turned out to be a massive....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/picture.jpg?t=1305573813
Askthepizzaguy
05-16-2011, 22:13
Also, a question for the host: Are all members of the Space Mafia Faction removed from play as of now?
There will be an announcement when any faction is eliminated.
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 22:17
LOLOLOLOLOL RENATA! THIS WHOLE THING MADE ME **** LULZ!
But yeah, I don't care what ATPG says. There is no 1st or 2nd place in mafia. There are those that win and those that lose. You either survive or you die.
So what if she got her personal victory before the town? There was no hint as to a "town" role and that the way for that role to win was by grabbing items from everyone.
The evil's role is to kill chaotics which is completed always at the very end of the game. Same goes for the chaotics task who have to kill 50ish people this game.
Who cares if she grabbed her items and ran away like a coward, her task actually was pretty easy to accomplish given that this evil town has been completely incompetent. Oh yeah, renata is acting all tough and has a gang of sheep underneath her, hurr durr lets give her everything she wants. Maybe if we had some more experienced players like Sasaki in here instead of newbies that don't speak she wouldn't have been able to accomplish anything.
But actually lets look at something here. DE before he was killed whipped out his role reveal about who Renata was. The chaotics knew who the hell Renata was. They knew she had one of their items, she announced it everyone anyway. Renata did not have to kill the chaotics and the chaotics do not have to kill Renata they have to kill the evil town/be the last ones standing.
Renata and the chaotics worked together in order to double team the evil town.The chaotics left Renata in charge of the evil town because they wanted a non-evil person in charge of the town, screwing things up for them, allowing the chaotics to kill as they please. Renata purposely did not go after any of the chaotics so she could persuade them to let her grab one of their items and run off with her personal victory. It was a win-win situation for both. When people started accusing Renata she jumped onto DE when Ironside brought him up. If she had suddenly switched her vote to DE from Greyblades with out Ironside's third person reasoning coming into play, it would have given it away the connection.
I'm sorry Ironside, but you basically screwed things up for the evil town.
And of course DE was revived right after we find out Renata has accomplished her personal victory. She informed the chaotics that this would the night she wins and that if they want more time to kill before the evil town regroups underneath an actual evil town person, that they should revive DE so that he can be cannon fodder.
This is getting moronic now because we are still going along with Renata's plan of giving all the items to Backward's Logic and listening to Romanic.
Get Beskar or Kage back in here and start killing off these lurkers. The chaotics have been hiding under the radar because Renata never pointed the radar at them to begin with.
Skooma Addict
05-16-2011, 22:50
Bet: 30 Credits on Diamondeye
Very good post ACIN, though it is round after both me and Kagemusha really pressed for the Renata lynched.
Also, my offer still stands of me raising Kagemusha back to life if I am revived.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-16-2011, 23:25
Bet: 19 credits on Diamondeye
Big Sword plus Green Eyes means Sephiroth.
EDIT: Plus the famous meteor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InNHB9J0eqs
Big Sword plus Green Eyes means Sephiroth.
I know who that is.
Actually, wasn't there word of "Angel" in the write-up too? That could be Sephiroth.
Looks like I could get you the chaotic you are looking for.
My killer had green eyes and sword, and I know who my killer was, since if you read it said "You betrayed me!".
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 00:26
But I thought Seppy had one wing.....
hence ONE wing angel....
Winston Hughes
05-17-2011, 00:35
The only good reason I can see for leaving DE alive today would be to steal his credits tonight. Any idea that he'll help us find his buddies is nonsense. Given the importance of credits in the endgame, I'd think we're better off staking them on someone we know to be guilty, and letting the vigs take care of anyone else who needs killing. And, more to the point, what chance is there of building any kind of consensus on another target? Absent some slam-dunk case based on hard evidence, I can't see anyone else taking DE's place at the noose. I reckon the chaotics already know that, and I wouldn't expect them to make any attempt to save him. I suppose it's possible they'll try to dupe a few evils into wasting some credits on someone else, but most likely their only real aim today will be to avoid coming under suspicion.
@acin
Having just read the whole game from the start, I was thinking how impressed I was with how you handled yourself after that early trouble with Zack, but I'm slightly concerned by the tone of your last post. Too much time and too many credits have already been wasted in recriminations over bad decisions (see days 2-4), and pinning blame on the likes of Backwards Logic, Romanic, or Ironside is no way to move forward. We're going to need people like them - and people like you - on the case here, rather than arguing over what went wrong in the past, which just makes it easier for the scummers to hide. All that said, I understand the need to let off steam. I just want to make sure we leave all this behind once that's done.
Beefy187
05-17-2011, 00:48
Bet 1 credit: Diamondeye
If he lives then I shall vig kill him tonight :bow:
But I thought Seppy had one wing.....
hence ONE wing angel....
One Winged Angel is the name of the song.
As a final boss, Sephiroth actually has seven wings.
As a chaotic here in this game... makes sense. Actually, there's also a reference to the Super Vague Weapon of Ambiguously Decided Doom, which was a plot device machine in the very first Council of Villains game. Probably ATPG and me are the only two people who would ever remember that reference. And since Sephiroth was a serial killer in that game... AND since the chaotics appear to be from non-ATPG-hosted games... I'd say it's incredibly likely the "angel" is Sephiroth.
Gah I don't know who to vote for. Still low on the creds.
I can't help but think Diamondeye was brought back as a distraction and we're missing the real scumbag.
Who were the other big names yesterday? Renata and Greyblades, right?
Since Renata is gone, Bet: 2 on Greyblades.
We just need to make sure we block/vig DE.
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 01:05
A shame no one takes me up on my generous offer to be a scanner instead of repeatable lynchbait. You really are wasting your chances here, you know.
:wall:
:skull::angel::sagittarius::candle:
:curtain:
Hey town, by the way, since I know who the Chaotics are, could you revive me?
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 01:37
Hey town, by the way, since I know who the Chaotics are, could you revive me?
ABSOLUTELY!
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Maybe
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perhaps
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no.
Hey town, by the way, since I know who the Chaotics are, could you revive me?
If we manage to kill off every other scum but one, we'll do the following:
- By night we'll keep repeatingly roleblocking him and someone else repeatedly reviving you just to lynch you the next day.
Major Robert Dump
05-17-2011, 01:53
GG Renata
Wow folks followed her like sheeple, even started piling items to Backwards Logic at her request. And no, she didn't have bunches of items voted to her, they were most either stolen or transferred by sheeple. Renatas alignment was just as much enemy to the town as Chaotic.
Oh, and there are 9 factions. That means 5-6 players per faction, with 1 outcast (chaotic, nuetral, good) per faction and maybe one with 2. This is the part where I say I TOLD YOU SO and you should have been lynching faction members of factions who had not lost an outcast. But remember, that was "a plea by scum" and "cool story bro."
All in all, very fun game for me with some lessons learned, like don't post and don't send early emails to people telling random lies and don't send emails to people thanking them for voting someone else because somehow that makes me look suspicious.
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 02:07
You're gettin it now, MRD....
If we manage to kill off every other scum but one, we'll do the following:
- By night we'll keep repeatingly roleblocking him and someone else repeatedly reviving you just to lynch you the next day.
Isn't that kind of redundant?
GG Renata
Wow folks followed her like sheeple, even started piling items to Backwards Logic at her request. And no, she didn't have bunches of items voted to her, they were most either stolen or transferred by sheeple. Renatas alignment was just as much enemy to the town as Chaotic.
Oh, and there are 9 factions. That means 5-6 players per faction, with 1 outcast (chaotic, nuetral, good) per faction and maybe one with 2. This is the part where I say I TOLD YOU SO and you should have been lynching faction members of factions who had not lost an outcast. But remember, that was "a plea by scum" and "cool story bro."
All in all, very fun game for me with some lessons learned, like don't post and don't send early emails to people telling random lies and don't send emails to people thanking them for voting someone else because somehow that makes me look suspicious.
I tried to tell them not to bother lynching you... but you know... Everyone loves Renata more than having a Major Dump.
Wow, very good work Renata! Masterful work, even. :painting:
I'll be very curious to know, once this is all over, how you managed to form a posse, with you as the leader. I've only recently begun playing here, but I assume you have a reputation as a skilled mafia player?
I'll be very curious to know, once this is all over, how you managed to form a posse, with you as the leader. I've only recently begun playing here, but I assume you have a reputation as a skilled mafia player?
It is because she is female... the stereotypes are true!
I find that the 'leader' behind most information-network type groups is almost never a simple townie. It's always going to be either a pro-town power role or a mafioso, or something in between. Basic townies very rarely have the necessary motivation to to take on that kind of work. (At least, I know this is true for me. The only times I see a use in being the center of a network is if I really have something to lose.)
Bow-wow-wow
05-17-2011, 03:36
Ok. So the kill list is currently:
Visorslash
and
Bow-wow-wow
Interestingly I've tried to vig these two before to no avail. Anyone feel the urge to vig, then hitting these two would make me very moist.
Ok first of all eww. Second of all, I hardly seem like a scum at this point. I'm not saying we let DE live, I'm just saying that there is twist here and if I was mafia, I would be hiding in the shadows.
Very likely to be just Beskar's usual way with words, casting his actions in a very positive light :tongue:
Because Beskar's just about right about everything :wink:
Oh you mean lurkers like Bow-wow-wow who had a faction scan item from like round 1/2 and didn't talk much in public as well as oddly pursue the Renata case instead of the Diamondeye one and is trying to distance himself away from it now? :grin:
Precisely bow-wow, it is a distraction from juicier targets, Diamondeye is obviously still acting like revealed scum still because he is one, there is no difference. It is only behavior such as this with paranoid and possibly misguided thoughts that prolong his life span and extend the usefulness of the distraction :beam:
And also you voted items to Ironside (dead) and Kage (dead since night 1) :tongue:, and about the white eyes... well, curiosity kills the err cat bow wow
On another note, congrats to Renata :bow:
Interesting to see how this is going to pan out, now if you'll excuse me, I got a national exam to prepare for, send my regards to your buddies DE, timing was just about right :laugh4:
Well my bad with voting the items but there are too many players to keep track of anymore. I am aware that curiosity kill the Cat but it can also sometimes give the cat unique talents and since I am the only person who I know 100% is not chaotic, I am voting that to myself to not risk it possibly falling in the wrong hands.
I'd like to offer the town a compromise. I want to complete my faction goals, and I need to be alive to do that. I'm the scum team's scanner, not one of the killers, so leaving me alive is harmless until you've caught the primary killer(s). If you let me live and give me back my items, I will reveal my scans after each night. For what that's worth, I'm forced to clear a suspect each night or deliver you a scumbuddy. I will obviously still scan after my own taste, the Cosa Nostra will know what factions I am looking for, since they need the same people dead as I do.
With that said;
Jedi Holocron, Golden Powder and White Eyes to Diamondeye
Lightsaber, Jaguar and Terry Gilliam to Bow-wow-wow.
Please consider my offer. I'd rather not have to throw in 70 of my credits to save myself today.
Alright first of all, we aren't all buddy buddy now. I said that the town needs to focus on other people, but that doesn't mean that you are off the hook quite yet. As for your deal, explain why we should trust you.
I bolded the main part. The Chaotics would revive DE for the very obvious reason: the Evil ones will waste a day lynching him, meaning it's one more day phase we're not possibly lynching any of the murderers. Nevermind DE is also prime vig fodder as well which does the exact same thing for them. Quite frankly, until we get another Chaotic or two, preferably one who's been killing, then we can go back and kill DE. Your vote to distract off of DE and onto a seemingly inactive reeks of scumminess to me. While I agree some are blending in, Red_Spy hasn't done anything in forever and is virtually an unknown. He's someone we vig, not waste credits on gambling he's chaotic. The underlined part is also interesting. This is the first time you've said this, and your actions to this point involve voting big on Renata, voting MRD and Earthling, and bandwagoning YLC late on day two. Hardly ringing endorsements that you 'still' think the chaotics are the inactive ones. Earlier, we also have:
Nice defense of DE here without actually defending him. Renata wasn't getting killed at this point which explains the 2/3 credit fold, but it doesn't explain why you kept voting Renata since she was under no pressure to get lynched by this point. It's an odd bet, one that feels very out of place. Now a revived DE is voting you items, specifically vigilante, bulletproof, and retaliatory kill items. That's awesome.
Bet: 15 credits Bow-wow-wow and
Vote: All items to me.
This is my one day off from work before my week from hell begins, so if you want to talk, shoot me a PM and we'll talk. Otherwise, I'll be pretty much silent for the rest of the week.
You are acting like mafia was part of the town but Renata was on nobodys' team. I was right to vote for her because if she was dead now we would atleast have our faction victory and might be closer to finding the scum. If everybody wasn't so gullible here.
As for the "still", I thought I had mentioned that earlier but if not, I misspoke.
And finally the reason I lowered by bet was that I knew that Renata needed to die but it was the end of the day and I didn't want to waste all of my credits. I didn't want to completely abandon the cause either but I was losing faith.
And I've already said, I am not supporting DE in any way and I'm not quite sure why he voted me all that.
Backwards Logic why haven't you succeeded on a vig-kill yet? We should talk about that. Or for that matter not a single one of Renata's attempted vig-kills ever seem to have worked, unless maybe that one hit on Blackadder in the writeup was one. Someone in that former Renata group is at like 50% vig-kill from items or something by now, right? Was it just bad luck the last couple nights or blocked or chaotics are evading attacks or what - we definitely should talk.
Bow-wow-wow I've said like a dozen times in the past few days you need to reveal all of your scan info and your own factional role and goals. That is a good case if you won't step forward now, though we have a sure thing on Diamondeye so I'd rather try to vig folks like you and Visor and lynch DE today, and being low on credits I can't do much to decide the lynch anyway. It's definitely true though that other than being voted a scan item in a random backscratching trade you've done nothing at all to indicate you're not chaotic and a lot of bad votes and lurkeriness that would say you are.
vote: all items to Backwards Logic is ok right now though. I might want the retaliatory and bulletproof now if we can manage the votes though, you probably have more items than you have actions but that's ok, they are not in chaotic hands, and we can stop passing items on to others haphazardly, especially if it's just someone like Roman left from the Renata network.
You put me in a very very tough spot but the town is just going to have to trust me this time. I promise that I have the towns best interest at heart and if I make it public, the chaotic will surely kill me. You just have to trust me at this point, I am on to something big. If I die tonight just go with what I have already said an you should figure this thing out.
Bow-wow-wow
05-17-2011, 03:38
Also:
Fold; Bet 1 Credit on Red_Spy :wink:
GG Renata
Wow folks followed her like sheeple, even started piling items to Backwards Logic at her request. And no, she didn't have bunches of items voted to her, they were most either stolen or transferred by sheeple. Renatas alignment was just as much enemy to the town as Chaotic.
Oh, and there are 9 factions. That means 5-6 players per faction, with 1 outcast (chaotic, nuetral, good) per faction and maybe one with 2. This is the part where I say I TOLD YOU SO and you should have been lynching faction members of factions who had not lost an outcast. But remember, that was "a plea by scum" and "cool story bro."
All in all, very fun game for me with some lessons learned, like don't post and don't send early emails to people telling random lies and don't send emails to people thanking them for voting someone else because somehow that makes me look suspicious.
Can we ressurect MRD just so that we can kill him again?
I find that the 'leader' behind most information-network type groups is almost never a simple townie. It's always going to be either a pro-town power role or a mafioso, or something in between. Basic townies very rarely have the necessary motivation to to take on that kind of work. (At least, I know this is true for me. The only times I see a use in being the center of a network is if I really have something to lose.)
Nah, it is always always Pizza who is at the centre, if people let him, no matter in whatever role he has.
I am not usually Town Leader as no one trusts me, even when I tell them who the scum on (Which is very common).
[See: Lack of Renata lynch and ignoring my advice on not working with her and complete lack of cooperation which is typical in every game. No one trusts me. Even the mafia investigate me on first priority!]
Renata is usually the "Townie", but she does suffer from some really obvious tell-tale signs which betray her allegiance significantly if you look out for them. These are usually a very good indication on whether or not she is scum. I am not going to give away trade secrets but lets say when she said in thread "Can any vigs please contact to work with me", that convinced me 100% she wasn't evil. Enough for me to go out of my way to investigate her,
Just for that I'm going to try to work that phrase into every game I play from now on, Beskar.
Just for that I'm going to try to work that phrase into every game I play from now on, Beskar.
Nah, I already suspected you before that, that was just pushed me from "92% certain" to "100%".
You never, ever, and ever use vig kills, you are a outspoken opponent of them and would go around mass protecting people instead. On the otherside... if I think you are scum, you are dead. It is a ruthless trait I have which you don't seem to possess as a town. For example when you was the Queen in VotA, you just mass protectioned around and dawdled on suspects, on the otherhand, I would be like: "Queeny demands that you take off their heads!".
Death is yonder
05-17-2011, 04:21
You are acting like mafia was part of the town but Renata was on nobodys' team. I was right to vote for her because if she was dead now we would atleast have our faction victory and might be closer to finding the scum. If everybody wasn't so gullible here.
As for the "still", I thought I had mentioned that earlier but if not, I misspoke.
And finally the reason I lowered by bet was that I knew that Renata needed to die but it was the end of the day and I didn't want to waste all of my credits. I didn't want to completely abandon the
As Romanic said, after the DE thing there was close to little doubt that Renata was evil, and even Kage wavered. The fact that after Renata won, they came back with "I told you so" and more is just laughable, after DE was lynched there was little belief that Renata was chaotic. And I also note that you conveniently ignore that section, as you gloss over with things such as "I knew that Renata needed to die". Did you not have doubts after DE proved to be chaotic?
The fact that you say this:
if she was dead now we would atleast have our faction victory and might be closer to finding the scum. If everybody wasn't so gullible here
And finally the reason I lowered by bet was that I knew that Renata needed to die
Is most curious. Justifying your actions based on the revealed result (that Renata was good) screams of Perfect Information Syndrome.
You put me in a very very tough spot but the town is just going to have to trust me this time. I promise that I have the towns best interest at heart and if I make it public, the chaotic will surely kill me. You just have to trust me at this point, I am on to something big. If I die tonight just go with what I have already said an you should figure this thing out.
By soft claiming like this you are already going to die if its genuine, as such,
It is in YOUR best interests to reveal to us by latest, during the night phase, because by revealing this statement, you are already going to die if you aren't chaotic.
In any case, in the absence of any strong suspects Diamondeye should be lynched once more.
Yet, suspects such as Chaotix should be looked at as well, and bow-wow needs to claim soon because in any case he is dead if he's telling the truth.
I can speak more if I wasn't dead.
Bow-wow-wow
05-17-2011, 06:41
I can speak more if I wasn't dead.
Well I don't have the credits to revive you Beskar.
Greyblades
05-17-2011, 09:20
Gah I don't know who to vote for. Still low on the creds.
I can't help but think Diamondeye was brought back as a distraction and we're missing the real scumbag.
Who were the other big names yesterday? Renata and Greyblades, right?
Since Renata is gone, Bet: 2 on Greyblades.
We just need to make sure we block/vig DE.
Huh, my two opponents last turn were a mafia and a serial killer (or whatever the heck reneta would count as in another game) and you're still going after me?
Raise: 10 credits on Diamondeye
The only good reason I can see for leaving DE alive today would be to steal his credits tonight. Any idea that he'll help us find his buddies is nonsense.
Keeping him alive to steal his credits isn't a good idea because credits are spent for actions before they are stolen. For example, let's say DE had 100 credits, he could use 70 to vigkill someone and we would be left with 30 to steal. Not such a good deal is it?
Any case of keeping DE alive will fall short to what he may do at night with his money, and his natural/learned abilities. It's very risky to think that we can control him. Besides, like you said Winston, we don't have a slam-dunk case on anyone else.
Lynching the known scum is the reasonable thing to do.
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 10:42
I am not usually Town Leader as no one trusts me, even when I tell them who the scum on (Which is very common).
[See: Lack of Renata lynch and ignoring my advice on not working with her and complete lack of cooperation which is typical in every game. No one trusts me. Even the mafia investigate me on first priority!]
I identify a lot with the first part of this statement! The second; I actually scanned Renata before I scanned you(!). I didn't have a normal "evil" result until N4 (Fluffy, who died)... I'm good at hitting special roles with my scans, too bad I'm always scum when I've got the ability...
Keeping him alive to steal his credits isn't a good idea because credits are spent for actions before they are stolen. For example, let's say DE had 100 credits, he could use 70 to vigkill someone and we would be left with 30 to steal. Not such a good deal is it?
Any case of keeping DE alive will fall short to what he may do at night with his money, and his natural/learned abilities. It's very risky to think that we can control him. Besides, like you said Winston, we don't have a slam-dunk case on anyone else.
Lynching the known scum is the reasonable thing to do.
Listening to DE was the reasonable thing to do last round. Why the sudden change of heart?
Current tally:
127 Diamondeye (Romanic 10, Psychonaut 22, Winston 10, Earthling 5, Believer 10, shlin 10, Skooma 30, Warman 19, Beefy 1, Visorslash 10)
54 Romanic (Diamondeye 25, Yaseikhaan 29)
15 Bow-wow-wow (Backwards Logic 15)
5 Link (Arpeg 5)
2 Greyblades (Chaotix 2)
1 Red_Spy (Bow-wow-wow 1)
---
10 not voting (acin, Crazed Rabbit, dcmort, God Emperor, Greyblades, landlubber, Link, Red_Spy, Subotan, Fluffy)
Listening to DE was the reasonable thing to do last round. Why the sudden change of heart?
Die scum. *spits*
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 10:46
Die scum. *spits*
But I'm so much more useful alive!
Raise 45: Romanic
God Emperor
05-17-2011, 11:28
Bet: 10 credits on Diamondeye.
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-17-2011, 12:09
My thoughts are that we should take out the trash while we know where it lies, even if it turns out to be a wasted lynch. Fold; Bet 5 credits: Diamondeye
Vote all items: Backwards Logic
There's my apology for killing you round 2 :bow: Oh, and it's on the condition that you tell us what the mystery item does, because I'm quite curious.
Nah, I already suspected you before that, that was just pushed me from "92% certain" to "100%".
You never, ever, and ever use vig kills, you are a outspoken opponent of them and would go around mass protecting people instead. On the otherside... if I think you are scum, you are dead. It is a ruthless trait I have which you don't seem to possess as a town. For example when you was the Queen in VotA, you just mass protectioned around and dawdled on suspects, on the otherhand, I would be like: "Queeny demands that you take off their heads!".
Ah. Well maybe I'll have something to say about that after the game.
Vote: All items to Backwards Logic
Maybe you could give me one, considering mine was taken by Renata?
Death is yonder
05-17-2011, 14:25
I'm good at hitting special roles with my scans, too bad I'm always scum
Listening to DE is a bad idea
Fixed :wink:
Anyway, DE should be lynched, even with the chaotic reviver still bumbling around, assuming its a learned ability, 40% every round means we'll be DE free for a while, I mean his efforts to try and swing the tally are just further indications of why he should be purged.
Come to think of it though, if I make the assumption that the chaotic reviver had to follow the same path as Romanic (public claimed reviver), he would have to be spending as little as possible (maybe max 10 on bets) and stealing to attempt to spend on a revive. Still, purely hypothetical but nevertheless food for thought.
Backwards Logic, you need to stop wasting your credits on suspects that won't get lynched :bow:
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 15:08
Hey guys fold don't actually want to hang the reviver, just hang me and I'll see ya tomorrow okay. Great!
Winston Hughes
05-17-2011, 16:18
Keeping him alive to steal his credits isn't a good idea because credits are spent for actions before they are stolen. For example, let's say DE had 100 credits, he could use 70 to vigkill someone and we would be left with 30 to steal. Not such a good deal is it?
It's academic as far as today's vote is concerned, but wouldn't roleblocks prevent him spending those credits?
I suggest just relynching Diamondeyes, makes the reviver keep having to revive him.
If I get revived, I can just reveal who his scumbuddy is anyway.
Kagemusha
05-17-2011, 17:10
After reading through the various flip flopping regarding greyblades, Renata and Diamondeye. My conclusion is that based on the thread behaviour Romanic is completely avoiding Diamondeyes lynch, meanwhile Fluffy makes a very strange bet on Renata when it is already very clear that Renata is not going to get lyched. I think both of these fellows should die and Romanic should be the first one as he is the "reviver", while certainly "Diamondeye" has been revived.
I think that lynching a known chaotic is lot less important then trying to find the remaining other Chaotics. People should rather test their abilities into Diamondeye during next ngiht and stop stealing from each other.
We know that Romanic is not space mafia. We know that Romanic had a strong connection to Renata, while he did not had factional ties to her, so in my mind he had other ulterior motives to get in contact with the Renata "network" which quite likely was not solidly made of the Chaotics, but rather the space mafia and other evil townies trying to benefit the town. Romanic also claims reviver, so he had a bargain chip to become a valuable "pro town" networker. I think Romanic would be a great lynch.
There is great and complex proplematic surrounding the situation where Renata decided to give out Diamondeye. It would seem that she decided that Greyblades was not a good enough competing candidate for lynch. Now it is most certain that she was playing with both sides, but was she aware of all the chaotic players. According to Beskar, she might have been. The question is how would have the Chaotic team reacted in Renata throwing Diamondeye to the wolves, if she knew them all, or incase if she did not. Third option is that Renata might have been just another Chaotic with personal agenda.
The fact that she was not attacked by Chaotics during the night she won, would speak on behalf that she was not aware of all the identities of Chaotics and was infact a very strange "serial killer" which is a lowsy expression for her role. So it would seem that she was not aware of all the Chaotics, while the Chaotics were sure that they could not get her that night. Very strange problematic, but knowing our host. I am not surprised at all about it.
Winston Hughes
05-17-2011, 17:34
Whether or not lynching DE is the ideal move today, trying to change it to someone else now could be horrible wasteful in terms of lost credits.
Kagemusha
05-17-2011, 17:37
Whether or not lynching DE is the ideal move today, trying to change it to someone else now could be horrible wasteful in terms of lost credits.
Could be, but then Diamondey has made his work, while some of you die tonight.
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 18:34
Could be, but then Diamondey has made his work, while some of you die tonight.
:curtain:
Kage, I direct you to my claiming post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053313842&viewfull=1#post2053313842) where I explained that I was attacked by the green eyes killer on the last two nights. This guy is undoubtely Chaotic because he attacked someone every night except on N1, which can be explained by the Chaotic team having a maximum of 2 kills per night.
If he wasn't chaotic (or serial killer perhaps) then he would be limited, like us, to a % of success for his attacks, yet we hear from him every night (meaning he can't fail to attack).
And no one has counter claimed that he was the player attacked by the green-eye killer, so I'm probably telling the truth.
Green eye killer attacks:
N2: killed Diana (Evil)
N3: killed Zack (Evil)
N4: killed Beskar (neutral)
N5: attacked Romanic, busdrived with Ironside. Ironside died.
N6: attacked Romanic, busdrived with [someone], protection on Romanic succeeded to protect [someone] from being killed.
(where [someone] is the player we pick to busdrive me for protection, and I'm not ready to divulge that name)
****
Your argument that I didn't vote DE doesn't make me mafia. As I wrote in the post where I unvoted Greyblades, I said that I was perplexed [by what I read] and it was true. Diamondeye claimed having knowledge that Renata was antiTown, that's a stong claim, hard to ignore. On the other hand Renata organized the busdrive that saved my life on N5, also hard to ignore. And I was also surprised to hear about Seon's item, that conversion was possible in this game, and that Renata has been stealing items since the beginning: all things she didn't tell me about, which made me suspicious of her. So because I had to go to work, and was having a hard time deciding what to do, I simply unvoted, PMing Renata that I would revive her if she flipped Evil. I thought it was the best course of action, and as one who pushed that idea, you should agree with me.
Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.
Kagemusha
05-17-2011, 19:03
Your defense is very strong indeed. Can you tell us if you have any knowledge about the communications between Renata and Diamondeye? Anything either of them might said about each other? Any third person mentioned by either of them? Did you have a direct contact with Diamondeye?
Your defense is very strong indeed. Can you tell us if you have any knowledge about the communications between Renata and Diamondeye? Anything either of them might said about each other? Any third person mentioned by either of them? Did you have a direct contact with Diamondeye?
I'm not aware of any communication Renata had with Diamondeye, and I've never talked with DE privately in this game.
Kagemusha
05-17-2011, 19:46
Thank you for your answers. I retract my opinion that you are a great lynch. Now i have to read and think bit more.:bow:
Earthling
05-17-2011, 19:50
Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.
Hey remember that other guy attacked two nights in a row? He had to be chaotic, right?
Diamondeye's lynch should stay today, I would agree with that. What we really need is actual, effective coordination of night abilities this next night and nights to come. I think the chaotics are actually in more of a mess than we would have guessed before due to poor decisions and poor play and Renata screwing them over too (I don't think it's likely they would have agreed in advance with Renata to abscond with their conversion item, that seems like a serious blow we can make use of, plus the general deaths of serial killers and neutrals means the total number of nightkills against the town is now pretty low) and if we work together we can take them down. I would love to see Kage revived and possibly Beskar, and the right vigilante and bus driver targets picked out - I still don't understand why Ironside was bussed to die nor robbiecon vig-killed when they were both already known as supposedly Innocent people in contact with Renata. Bus drivers and vigs should both target potential scum, so a bus driver would result in the scum killing one of their own or a vig outright killing them too.
Bow-wow-wow and others hiding scan results, you also still need to reveal, whatever you think you've figured out when you may even be wrong, cannot possibly get worse by revealing information you have that's true because if you reveal good, useful information it will help the rest of the town work with you.
a completely inoffensive name
05-17-2011, 21:03
I like how I make a large post with valid points and the only person to comment on it is Beskar who says it was a good post. And yet, no one else seemed to think it was important enough to talk about.
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 21:39
I identify a lot with the first part of this statement! The second; I actually scanned Renata before I scanned you(!). I didn't have a normal "evil" result until N4 (Fluffy, who died)... I'm good at hitting special roles with my scans, too bad I'm always scum when I've got the ability...
I died?
Did I miss something?
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 21:48
Your defense is very strong indeed. Can you tell us if you have any knowledge about the communications between Renata and Diamondeye? Anything either of them might said about each other? Any third person mentioned by either of them? Did you have a direct contact with Diamondeye?
I'm not aware of any communication Renata had with Diamondeye, and I've never talked with DE privately in this game.
I haven't talked to Romanic before my First Death, and I only spoke to Renata briefly during my accusation against her, there really wasn't a lot to talk over when I had 60 credits on her (and for a good reason too).
I died?
Did I miss something?
Hmm perhaps wishful thinking. Anyway you were the first normal "evil" result I got. Allow me to say, between you and me, that role really fits you well!
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 21:55
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/coolstory.png?t=1305665688
Greyblades
05-17-2011, 22:02
Dont complement the enemy fluffy.
Earthling
05-17-2011, 22:10
I like how I make a large post with valid points and the only person to comment on it is Beskar who says it was a good post. And yet, no one else seemed to think it was important enough to talk about.
Whatever post you think is important I did read it, but nope, I don't see that you posted any valid or useful new information lately. Trying to point out that Renata was against you doesn't mean anything as to whether you are scum or not. I'm still happy to have you lynched or vig-killed as soon as possible, if you won't role reveal and cooperate against the chaotics.
And editing your posts to attempt to lie to or deceive Renata is still a bad scum tell plus that whole mythmonster mess.
a completely inoffensive name
05-17-2011, 22:49
Whatever post you think is important I did read it, but nope, I don't see that you posted any valid or useful new information lately. Trying to point out that Renata was against you doesn't mean anything as to whether you are scum or not. I'm still happy to have you lynched or vig-killed as soon as possible, if you won't role reveal and cooperate against the chaotics.
And editing your posts to attempt to lie to or deceive Renata is still a bad scum tell plus that whole mythmonster mess.
Lolololol. I love you Earthling. You are so bad at mafia. You send me and shlin28 messages asking for our help and then you berate me in public.
You didn't read my post because none of what you said makes any sense. I said renata was actively working with the chaotics and knew who they were. Never said renata was after me.
I'm not going to give you info Earthling because the last time that happened you said it wasn't true and got MRD killed. You stink at this game quite frankly.
Please give examples of where I edited my posts.
Winston Hughes
05-17-2011, 23:09
Cue Fluffy with an "I like where this is going" image...
seireikhaan
05-17-2011, 23:28
Le Sigh. Guess there's no point in throwing my credits away.
Fold
Bet: 1 credit on Diamondeye
thefluffyone93
05-17-2011, 23:28
Cue Fluffy with an "I like where this is going" image...
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/huh.png?t=1305671284
Earthling
05-17-2011, 23:31
sorry, I was convinced that I had quoted Greyblades post #1899. Everything I was referring to was stuff Greyblades did or said in his posts, and thinking those words were his complaining about points he never made
Backwards Logic
05-17-2011, 23:46
Looks like I'm Folding. For those voting the secret item to me, I promise I will reveal what the item does, though I will say now due to my insane work schedule this week don't expect me to get online anytime soon after the update is posted to reveal. I have work at 4:30 AM EST, and will be working probably until 10 PM depending on how the weather in my area pans out.
Greyblades
05-17-2011, 23:50
sorry, I was convinced that I had quoted Greyblades post #1899. Everything I was referring to was stuff Greyblades did or said in his posts, and thinking those words were his complaining about points he never made
Ok... Wait what has your post got to do with: "Dont complement the enemy fluffy." ?
Earthling
05-18-2011, 00:10
Because I intended to quote you and say there's no reason anyone should be forgetting that you're under suspicion and acting scummy, somehow ended up quoting ACIN and went with a response to that, thinking you had said it. You still need a better explaining for lying to Renata and editing your post to remove reference to your retaliatory item than "oh, Renata turned up scum, so it's all right for me in the end." Plus mythmonster has been replaced but that whole situation of yours you conveniently forgot about - you said you were sure mythmonster had to die but haven't followed up on Yaseikhaan now?
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 00:37
You still need a better explaining for lying to Renata and editing your post to remove reference to your retaliatory item...What the... you're talking about that bit when I wanted to screw with her? I'd say it was for fun but you are obviously unfamiliar with the concept.
"oh, Renata turned up scum, so it's all right for me in the end"
No, both reneta and diamondeye turned up scum so its ok for me in the end, I'm two for two.
I said mythmonster had to die because I though he was attacking randomly on his own, then reneta said she was the one who ordered it so the blame went to her. Mythmonster seems little more than an easily mislead pawn at this point.
thefluffyone93
05-18-2011, 00:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkCpQzfzK0
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2011, 02:55
Greyblades is not a chaotic. Renata was going to use him as a distraction for the last day before she got all of her items. When it became apparent that Greyblades was not a good enough target she jumped on the argument against DE.
Stop looking at DE. Start looking at the lurkers and we need healthy skepticism imo of Romanic. No offense Romanic, but you were just so helpful to her.
Romanic was her little sugar-wuggy.
Earthling
05-18-2011, 03:19
No, both reneta and diamondeye turned up scum so its ok for me in the end, I'm two for two.
Except you contributed nothing of substance to a case against Diamondeye. You only placed a wager, which given that people unvote and fold all the time so a wager doesn't matter until the very final closing bell, and if you were partners one of you could still have been bussing the other, proves nothing. And why are you so terribly defensive and cowardly about yourself, trying to hide your retaliatory item and acting like it's such a threat the scum would kill you, all of the Innocents are in the same boat. Could you try to help us out perhaps, all this time of lying to Renata and arguing with other probable townies and you can't reveal anything other than vague, unverifiable roleblock attempts?
Like, what is so hard about telling us what faction you're on and what it's enemies are, and wouldn't you rather do this of your own choice than someone else revealing your identity for you anyway? You're certainly not the only one who is being detrimental to the town here Greyblades, if you are Innocent, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people and factions I'm waiting to hear the same on. But if people would just cooperate and reveal this we'd be much, much closer to finishing off the chaotics. I don't care what you people are, South Park, Cosa Nostra, Psychotic, Springfield, so on, but it's killing the town to be secretly lying about each other's posts and accusing each other because of factional infighting. The scanners like Bow-wow-wow who should reveal faction scans by now again need to do so as well. Because I'm happy to say that my agenda right now is to work with Backwards Logic and whomever else seems Innocent on simply lynching and vig-killing the various people who look scummy and if you're looking scummy because of silly factional stuff you're hiding it's your problem.
ACIN - about your actual post, I just have to disagree, it seems very unlikely Renata and the chaotics were working together as her taking away their conversion item seems too extreme, and it's obvious that Roman, shlin, and BL are mostly in the clear because of the scum very obviously attacking Roman at night and BL already being a revived Innocent and all that. This is one of those things where again, I would question if it's people who hate the Evil Mafia faction simply going after them, because otherwise we really do have a nice core group of people to fight the chaotics.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 03:25
Round ends in just over 2 and a half hours.
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2011, 04:04
ACIN - about your actual post, I just have to disagree, it seems very unlikely Renata and the chaotics were working together as her taking away their conversion item seems too extreme, and it's obvious that Roman, shlin, and BL are mostly in the clear because of the scum very obviously attacking Roman at night and BL already being a revived Innocent and all that. This is one of those things where again, I would question if it's people who hate the Evil Mafia faction simply going after them, because otherwise we really do have a nice core group of people to fight the chaotics.
I don't think that Romanic is a chaotic really, but I just think that having such unyielding support for anti-evil role is scummy in a different sense. Maybe another neutral? Idk, it might just be nothing, and I can accept that.
The thing about Renata taking the conversion item....
Since Renata was in charge of the evil leadership, she purposely diverted attention away from the chaotics so they could survive. Seon only died because of the retaliation item. The evil's did not uncover Seon and kill him. DE was only uncovered and jumped upon when Renata had the heat on her.
The trade off was that the chaotics were willing to give up the item because they were under zero threat of being exposed while Renata directed everyone around. Since both Kage and Beskar was dead, no one of the anti-Renata opinion had the ability to uncover more information for themselves at night.
The real danger is that Renata has been purposely pushing all the items to Backward Logic because if no one has items except for one person, then everyone is vulnerable except for that one person. ALSO, if every item is in the hands of one person, that the overall ability to gain new information is reduced because Backwards Logic as far as I know cannot use every single item in the game at the same time during the night phase.
So if the chaotics have their item locked up with one person along with everyone elses items, then they are on the same playing field again, and do not suffer a disadvantage.
Could someone please tell me if anything I have said is factually wrong? Because it seems odd that we are following Renata's policy towards items after we find out she was not working in our best interest.
dcmort93
05-18-2011, 04:29
I'm going to bet 1 credit on DE so I don't loose any this round
I kind've agree with ACIN. Now, I believe you all know I'm town, correct? (Why do you think I made those statements earlier?)
BL, you need to spread the items around to people you think are town. Greyblades, ACIN, myself, any others as well, as we all need items to do stuff. THis was we can have less of a chance of dying.
Earthling
05-18-2011, 04:36
Nothing you have said is wrong, but you haven't really proposed any new solutions or leads and there's not an alternate plan that has popular support anyway. Backwards Logic himself should certainly be an evil, non-chaotic Innocent. I could say again that I'd be happy having some items voted to me, for instance, and I would have at least one night action open to use, or you could say you want items voted to you though the rest of the thread doesn't know for sure who you are or if you are evil. Except people probably wouldn't be agreeing to that. What is certain is that we have to stop the deal of Persons A, B, C, D, and E voting one ite each to each other with no reason to believe any of them are Innocent, like in the past, we had serial killers, neutrals, and chaotics among those groups. That is guaranteed to be a worse system than giving items to Backwards Logic, and with Renata gone we even remove one mistaken opportunity for BL to give the items away to non-Innocents. It's just not a bad option, unless you really hate the Evil Mafia and want BL & crew dead, and probably 5 or 6 people do, but I'm not going to agree to that...
I'd like to open up a different perspective though, that emphasizes the overall situation against the chaotics.
Through pure luck, the Evil vs. Chaotic situation is far better than the collective extreme incompetence of the town would indicate. The reason for this is that the number of nightkills seems severely reduced at this point and a lot of evil players are still alive. And the root reason behind this, is that we got unbelievably lucky when Ganondorf, the Serial Killer, died, plus on balance not too unlucky with another chaotic killed by Retaliation and some neutrals who might have been trying to kill people, aka Jolt, also dead.
I'd like everybody who is Innocent and trying to puzzle things over to really look at the situation. Just with Ganondorf alone, well, it adds up to luck by pure numbers, he got killed by a 10% retaliation and on top of that had his Triforce stolen which might have contributed to his death, the chances of that were probably in the range of 2-5%. But a serial killer dead so early, plus Seon, removed a ton of nightkill opportunities. This game could easily have 5-8 more Innocents dead right now, given that the town wasted time, lynched inactive Innocents, been fooled by Renata, etc... As it stands we don't, in fact the chaotics are probably pretty annoyed that their chances of victory aren't much better given that they don't seem to have made extreme slip-ups that we know of yet, but so many active townies are still alive and kicking.
That all said, we should consider - if you agree with the conclusions about the number of anti-mafia nightkills around, what our position is. Serial Killer is gone, Renata is gone, and a few neutrals are gone though there could be some more neutrals. On top of Diamondeye and without conversion we could hope for no more than 3-4 chaotics. That still leaves a lot of townies. So we really have both numbers and time right now, if we don't stupidly panic and go off killing rival factions like crazy to get barely even any victory points that we'd get easier by defeating the chaotics. It is still my view that a couple of factions need to focused on regarding reveals and info (South Park, Psychos or Cosa Nostra maybe) because with larger numbers and unknown roles they still have a chance of betraying the town and going for faction-only victory, but the rest of the factions don't, might as well join together overall against the chaotics, due to being low on numbers or their victories like eliminating the Space Mafia/some other rival being impossible or infeasible now.
It really should be simple what we do then: Make a list of confirmed/likely Innocent people to keep alive, and keep them alive, give them items since we far outnumber scum on item votes. Then make a list of lurkers and scummy people to kill, (or for the lurkers forcing reveals is a start) and kill them. The town will outnumber the chaotics some decently large factor to one, and we should have this if we just make a plan and stick to it.
Now you're speaking sense. It's a nice change.
Blue for Town, Red for Scum Yellow for Lurkers and Green for unknown.
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ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Believer
Bow-wow-wow
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
God Emperor
Greyblades
landlubber
Link
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)
Earthling
05-18-2011, 05:07
Visorslash I missed the part of anything where there was an indication you were town (evil). You are supposedly South Park or Psychotic Mafia if you claimed one of those two items was stolen from you and went to Renata, probably the South Park one, but that doesn't really prove anything about you.
Also I don't know why you put some folks like Warman or Beefy on your list of townies and why your list of lurkers is who it is. Neither Skooma nor God Emperor are real "lurkers", Link, landlubber, Red_Spy, several others are. In fact, your list looks like a pretty good distraction of attempting to list townies in a non-controversial way like BL or me to placate us, while listing yourself or scumbuddies as townies too.
Diamondeye mentioned Beefy as one of Diamondeye's "confirmed townie" scans, is that what you're working off of after all? You can't be serious to associate yourself with some of those people on the list without good evidence, or if they come up scum, you continue to have associations with them, just like with you voting items to or getting item votes from other scum.
I'd be happy to give my equivalent list to anyone who could be trusted and wants to know in private, not worth posting here to help the scum and with some folks I think it'd also be redundant to know who I consider town and who I'd want to vig and lynch off.
But you Visorslash don't get to just wipe your hands clean like that, in summary that's a very poor list for very obvious reasons.
Visorslash I missed the part of anything where there was an indication you were town (evil). You are supposedly South Park or Psychotic Mafia if you claimed one of those two items was stolen from you and went to Renata, probably the South Park one, but that doesn't really prove anything about you.
Obviously you need to read the thread.
Also I don't know why you put some folks like Warman or Beefy on your list of townies and why your list of lurkers is who it is. Neither Skooma nor God Emperor are real "lurkers", Link, landlubber, Red_Spy, several others are. In fact, your list looks like a pretty good distraction of attempting to list townies in a non-controversial way like BL or me to placate us, while listing yourself or scumbuddies as townies too.
Diamondeye said Beefy was a townie to try and say he was innocent. While he was scum, I don't doubt that Beefy is innocent. Warman is innocent for obvious reasons. God Emperor and Skooma don't post very often, which IMO, makes them lurkers, while Red_Spy and landlubber don't even post at all, which IMO is still lurking. You and BL are town, no doubt about it. I don't have scumbuddies. I am town. If you read my posts, it's pretty damn obvious.
The rest of your comments are just mindless ranting.
You said get a list, I posted my list. You don't agree with it, show me what I should change.
Earthling
05-18-2011, 05:32
No, Visorslash, you haven't claimed anything that indicates you are Innocent. A vote against Diamondeye or those voting against Renata the last day really proves nothing, the chaotics almost certainly bussed Diamondeye and were willing to let him die, they revived him after all too.
And that list is just bad. You are likely lying, or if you're a townie, you built that list off of information not in the thread, that much is obvious. You can't possibly honestly believe that Diamondeye's word vindicates Beefy when Beefy is a complete lurker we know nothing about otherwise. I'm not going to correct your list to you, in public here, because it could help the scum even if you are not scum and if you are that could be exactly what you want. I will note that some combination of you (South Park?), fluffy (Bizarro), Beefy (Psycho) and Warman/Greyblades (whatever) plus the known Diamondeye (Cosa Nostra) and Seon (Dark Falls) add up extremely coincidentally as a possible scum team with the requisite cover roles on several factions. And anyone should also note you have zero evidence in the actual thread to have declared the Innocence of any of the above, if you are townie you should be the one who is able to understand your mistakes here.
Actually I have. Read the thread. I really wish Renata didn't take the gag with her.
On second thoughts, I just won't reply to you.
Earthling
05-18-2011, 05:42
And me and Backwards Logic or anyone else who is a simple townie and doesn't care if you die, will kill you. That's a good answer too. You're simply wasting time trying to annoy me and not referring to anything specific as you have not made a distinct role claim or verifiable claim about what you've been up to at night and you know it.
If there's something magically important already in the thread, in general a townie should also assume the scum have already read it. What you're doing is funnily enough, just like Greyblades lying to Renata and saying "go read somewhere back when," you're just attempting to waste other people's time for vague pointlessness. If you meant to have already claimed something important hidden somewhere mysteriously cryptic, again, the scum probably already found it and figured it out, so you can't possibly be serious that you won't just list this supposedly important thing again for everyone else's benefit.
Then kill me. I have told people what i did at night.
I'm not trying to annoy you, you on the other hand are acting like a fool.
Please, post a case on me. See how scummy I am.
Earthling
05-18-2011, 05:56
Ok, I went ahead and figured out what Visorslash thinks he's talking about and it's still worthless, in fact might point to scumminess even more so worth mentioning for everyone's reference. Visorslash must be claiming that the South Park roleblock stolen by Renata is his at least, and he claimed earlier he was roleblocking random people and kept failing. So not proof of character identity nor evidence his night actions are accounted for but the great argument here solved. Now, it's extremely coincidental (ie. bad and wrong) that this is exactly what Greyblades has been claiming, his only supposed night actions involving anything interesting being failed roleblock attempts using a roleblock item, attempting to roleblock random lurkers like Bladder or Autolycus.
First of all, these are extremely obvious cover role claims, there's no proof these roleblock attempts were ever performed, doubly so when you ask why would townies only attempt to roleblock random lurkers as pretty much all the attempted roleblocks of both these guys are. By claiming they failed almost every time, except singular successes on dead lurkers like Autolycus, nobody else can verify the claim. And a 10% roleblock item proves absolutely nothing about a role otherwise, that's perfect to just sit there on a scum's cover role on some faction and nobody can prove they are even using the item-ability at night and not other skill or purchased abilities.
In fact, for curiousity's sake if we accept the theory that Renata knew something about who the scum were and was planning to sacrifice one of the chaotics to buy herself time, the chances this was true with Greyblades or Visorslash go up given the sudden controversy between them. Or if not, (I don't really subscribe to that theory with Renata myself) they were just arguing with and lying to Renata (and everyone else) for no reason. There's no way at all that two potential scum leads happen to be boring, Innocent, completely unsuccessful roleblockers, big coincidence given there can't have been that many roleblocker items anyway = wrong. Plus lying about other night actions, arguing with dead neutrals like Greyblades vs. Jolt, all of that, we have at least one scum between the two here, and from there need to think of other leads to follow.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 06:00
ROUND HAS ENDED AT 0100
Tally:
Diamondeye (Romanic 10, Visor 11, Psychonaut 22, WH 10, shlin 10 Eling 5, Believer 10, Skooma 30, Warman 19, Beefy 1, GE 10, Arpeg 5, YK 1, dcmort 1, :skull:
Red_Spy (Bow 1,
Greyblades (Chaotix 2,
GOLDEN POWDER
Shlin: , Bow,
DE: DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
RED LIGHTSABER
Bow: Bow, DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
ANIMATOR
Fluffy: Bow
Bow: DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
WHITE EYES
Bow: Bow
DE: DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
HOLOCRON
DE: DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
JAGUAR
Bow: DE
BL: BL Eling Shlin Arpeg Visor
......
Everything goes to BL, basically...
I hope we made the right choice and lynched a Chaotic today.
The suspense is killing me.
Visorslash, why are you putting Fluffy and Warman as innocents?
In fact, for curiousity's sake if we accept the theory that Renata knew something about who the scum were and was planning to sacrifice one of the chaotics to buy herself time, the chances this was true with Greyblades or Visorslash go up given the sudden controversy between them. Or if not, (I don't really subscribe to that theory with Renata myself) they were just arguing with and lying to Renata (and everyone else) for no reason. There's no way at all that two potential scum leads happen to be boring, Innocent, completely unsuccessful roleblockers, big coincidence given there can't have been that many roleblocker items anyway = wrong. Plus lying about other night actions, arguing with dead neutrals like Greyblades vs. Jolt, all of that, we have at least one scum between the two here, and from there need to think of other leads to follow.
Are you saying I lied about my night actions? I haven't lied. I missed night one, where MRD stole from me, I have only succesfully roleblocked Autolycus, and I said he was innocent, which he was.
Scum, can you guys PLEASE kill Earthling for me?
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2011, 06:21
People keep questioning Visor's list, but hasn't proposed their own.
If we really want to be super accurate here this is the list:
Innocent: Probably Romanic and BL.
Unknown: Everyone else.
Earthling is also town, but no-one likes him.
Wanna bet I get nightkilled this night?
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 06:32
DAY SEVEN
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/hell.jpg
The crowd gathered in the center of what remained of the Purgatory. The outskirts of the city had disintegrated, and hellish flame was all that remained as far as the eye could see. The crowd dragged the bound and gagged Diamondeye toward the Angel.
Diamondeye: "Oh merciful one, do me the honor of looking me in the eye one more time before I die."
The Angel turned and faced the crowd. The scars along the side of his face were plain for all to see. His expression was like stone... with fury boiling underneath.
Diamondeye: "So, Angel, why don't you tell them all what you're really up to? It's obvious this entire place is an illusion, crumbling before our very eyes.... or in your case, your very eye."
The crowd began to murmur. The Purgatory was definitely not what it appeared.
Angel: "Silence."
Diamondeye: "The Jedi got away. Why can't the rest of us escape as well?"
Angel: "Silence!"
Diamondeye: "It just seems like, you're keeping us all here for no good reason. Maybe we don't want to play your game anymore."
The Angel reached into his pocket, and pulled out a playing card. It was the 10 of Spades.
Angel: "You don't have much choice in the matter. You are meant to prove yourselves worthy of life... worthy of power. You've failed to demonstrate that."
Diamondeye: "Why don't you just turn on your little machine and let me leave? I can handle myself."
The Angel stared at the card with a look of pure hate.... and soon, the edges of the card began to burn.
Diamondeye: "No.... stop! I've tasted death twice already, I don't want to go through it again!"
The Angel's green eye continued to stare, and the card was completely engulfed with flame. Diamondeye's rabbit costume was similarly engulfed with painful, burning flames. He screamed in horror and agony, as the Angel stared mercilessly. Diamondeye rolled on the searing pavement, trying in vain to end his torment, but there was no escape from the fire. It utterly consumed him.... slowly.... horrifically, until he ceased to be.
The crowd looked on in horror.
Some who wished to ask about the slow destruction of the Purgatory did not get a chance to pose their questions, as the Angel left without saying anything further. The heat from the hellfire that had consumed the edges of the city permeated the air. It was almost impossible to see the light of day anymore, as the air was filled with smoke, ash, and poisonous fumes.
The remaining villains took shelter, unsure of what was in store for them.
______________________________
Summary of events:
Diamondeye has been lynched!
Diamondeye was White_Eyes:D, of the Cosa Nostra Faction!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Assassin.png
Diamondeye was CRAZED RABBIT, of CAPO DI TUTTI CAPO III
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/CrazedRabbit.png
Diamondeye was CHAOTIC!
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10 of Spades
Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)
Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six
Alive Players- (25/50)
A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Believer
Bow-wow-wow
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Earthling
Fluffyone
God Emperor
Greyblades
landlubber
Link
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)
Deceased-
Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Seven
All items to Backwards Logic.
Those who wagered on Diamondeye kept their credits. Those who did not lost their credits.
BEGIN NIGHT SEVEN.
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2011, 06:54
Earthling is also town, but no-one likes him.
I feel like putting this in my sig.
You misquoted it I believe, shouldn't it be one whole thing, not separated into two? :P
Anyone else got a list?
Earthling
05-18-2011, 07:27
I feel like putting this in my sig.
Go right ahead, I wouldn't mind.
Other fun facts - I've only drawn a scum role twice in over 20 games, never lynched as mafia either versus probably a dozen lynches or near lynches as town, this game making 5 straight including 3 times as basic townie with no night abilities. During the course of this very game I got lynched twice on CFC as a townie, kinda annoying that some people like Renata or Seon were very much seemingly metagaming (choxorn at least was already dead in this game here so I wouldn't blame him for that) and trying to kill me off as a proxy in another game when it wasn't doable for them in this game. Though other CFCers not invovled here, many scum bandwagonners, who voted to lynch solely because I was "too quiet" in a basic townie role was fun. Back to the above, the two times I drew mafia way back when (last time about 10 games ago on CFC) I was nightkilled rather than lynched, one time killed Night One by another killer, the other time by a serial killer very frustratingly later in the game. And in every game I've ever played, I believe I've only ever committed a single nightkill, vig, vengefulness etc. of any kind, funny circumstances too, I used "dispell magic" or essentially a roleblock on this evil ritualist player and it just happened to cause one of his spells to backfire and kill him.
As for the sig, you can throw in "Diamondeye is a vampire" for good measure. The secret on that one was that Diamondeye was scum 4 out of 6 consecutive games in the same game series, (NOTW on CFC): a murderous cultist, traitorous guard (assassin), townie, townie, murderous alien, and cultist again. edit - we can throw in the most recent completed NOTW for fun but Diamondeye was a role who could have converted to any side and chose Innocent, plus it was Renata (who later gave those Nuclear Codes many of us will remember to a serial killer just to annoy me) who really got him lynched. So with Diamondey I went after him a lot and kept on being right...except the one time I, again as a random Innocent guy, found his behavior scummy and guessed he was the last vampire on the vampire team in the game and tried to gather people up to lynch him. Turns out he was a cultist; you see, the original cult he was on had been wiped out and he had converted to a second cult. But he wasn't a vampire.
This game of Calvinball hasn't disappointed either though. Last minute votes, stealing credits, many replacement players bringing madness, everybody suddenly discovering that people are allowed to transfer items because Renata was trading items to accomplish her victory, etc., let the conspiracy theories roll
Major Robert Dump
05-18-2011, 07:29
Earthlink "wallOtext" Detective has pretty much been wrong on every count of accusations he has made, which suits his role perfectly, so I would advise everyone to just ignore him from this point on, especially since he still harbors judgement against people who sided with me in the big MRD debacle and provides no evidence other than the fact that they sided with me, like CR and Warman.
Second, there are still at least 4 anti-town left amongst you lot. which means your odds are really bad and you should just conede since you arent willing to hound down clans who have not had a scum revealed (MY IDEA TYVM)
And third, hookers are really expensive in Atlanta which is wrong because that is taking advantage of the troops.
KTHNX
While we're posting fun facts, I've never drawn a scum role myself. :laugh4:
I've had either basic townie (such as this game and The Chamber), pro town vig (Buffy IV), townie who can't vote (*facepalm*).
The times I have felt 100% someone was scum, were the times I was right. Unfortunately they have only happened in a few games. I had suspicions about Renata, but was unable to act anyway.
I hope to learn a lot from this experience. :
Second, there are still at least 4 anti-town left amongst you lot. which means your odds are really bad and you should just conede since you arent willing to hound down clans who have not had a scum revealed (MY IDEA TYVM)
Quit your whining MRD. The town may suck, but we are extremely lucky. :D
Earthling
05-18-2011, 07:47
MRD, your theory about the factions is very explicitly wrong. Everything you proposed really was a bad lead and unjustified idea - the basic math of "divide number of players by number of factions" was always there and you don't get credit for that. But your proposal of 10 x 5, factions x players is decidedly wrong, factions with different numbers of players is a huge thing and proven true now that we have to account for. Likewise, your theory of strictly 1 non-evil per faction was not only wrong, provably so at least twice by now, it too falls under the category of misleading enough to damage the town if people acted on that theory. And the original reason for suggesting it, that you and your faction allies would be automatically Innocent according to your theory and had to live, was also extremely poor.
That said, as always, there is a lot about factions we should reveal and we have a lot of potential leads on scum that way, don't get me wrong, it is an obvious idea to look at factions already mentioned to have a suspicious lack of daylight combined with the suscipious players known to be on those factions.
Major Robert Dump
05-18-2011, 07:57
Quit your whining MRD. The town may suck, but we are extremely lucky. :D
No one is whining, dear incorrect bandwagoner, you are just mad I stole your 20 credits round 1 and you had it in for me as soon as I admitted it in a roleclaim to save myself. Obviously, your petty revenge plans have worked out swimmingly. GG
:D
Both players with 3 cards had perfect faction scanning items with 10% investigatory (but so did a 9).
Both 8 cards and one 7 card had 10% retaliatory items.
The J and Q of Clubs both had 10% retaliatory items.
Let's look at this, shall we?
Anymore info?
Major Robert Dump
05-18-2011, 08:06
MRD, your theory about the factions is very explicitly wrong. Everything you proposed really was a bad lead and unjustified idea - the basic math of "divide number of players by number of factions" was always there and you don't get credit for that. But your proposal of 10 x 5, factions x players is decidedly wrong, factions with different numbers of players is a huge thing and proven true now that we have to account for. Likewise, your theory of strictly 1 non-evil per faction was not only wrong, provably so at least twice by now, it too falls under the category of misleading enough to damage the town if people acted on that theory. And the original reason for suggesting it, that you and your faction allies would be automatically Innocent according to your theory and had to live, was also extremely poor.
That said, as always, there is a lot about factions we should reveal and we have a lot of potential leads on scum that way, don't get me wrong, it is an obvious idea to look at factions already mentioned to have a suspicious lack of daylight combined with the suscipious players known to be on those factions.
I must be drunk. How has that turned out to be wrong twice now? 2 chaotic, 3 nuetral, 1 serial, 1 good =7 out of 9 factions with a couple of wild cards thrown in.
I think I am spot on, and the best and finest way to this moment to determine scum vs non scum is to look at clans that have not had a scum revealed, whioch you people whould have been doing from the get go. So what if one clan has 2 scum rather than 1, the overall jest makes no difference, and you, EARTHLINK, are arguing semantics because you all fail to grasp the fact that I WAS RIGHT. Had you gone after somoene other than the guy whose clan already had a nuetral lynched well....we have been doiwn this road before. I still say there are @4 non-town left.
List of the killed:
Bizarro:
Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia) 2 of Clubs
Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy) 3 of Spades
Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy) 2 of Diamonds
Python:
The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail) Queen of Clubs
The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail) King of Clubs
Springfield:
Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty) 8 of Hearts
Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE) 10 of Clubs
Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama) 9 of Hearts
Dark Falls:
El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls) Jack of Clubs
Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT) 8 of Clubs
Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls) 5 of Spades
Evil:
Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness) 7 of Clubs
Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars) 3 of Diamonds
South Park:
Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland) Ace of Hearts
Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland) 3 of Hearts
Psychotic:
Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang) 6 of Spades
Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I) 5 of Diamonds
Space:
Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek) 8 of Spades
Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order) Ace of Clubs
Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG) 4 of Diamonds
Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order) Ace of Diamonds
Cosa Nostra:
Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega) Queen of Diamonds
Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule) King of Diamonds
White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC] Cosa Nostra(CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III) 10 of Spades
We also know that Earthling is Python, Renata is Space Mafia and Backwards Logic is Evil Mafia.
So we currently know:
3 Bizarro
3 Python
3 Springfield
3 Dark Falls
3 Evil
2 South Park
2 Psychotic
5 Space
3 Cosa Nostra
We can also look at the cards for each players, but I would rather anyone else who is on say something.
Currently we have found:
2 Chaotic
1 Serial Killer
1 Good
3 Neutral
Since the Space Mafia apparently haven't been wiped out, they must be one of the lucky factions with 6 characters.
Anyway, I've been trying to piece something together with the playing cards, and they have been driving me cuckoo the whole game.
I think I have a hunch right now, though. The Queen of Hearts should reveal herself in-thread, then I can put together the rest of the puzzle.
cuckoo
You've bolded this for a reason, why? ATPG did the same thing to get Diana Abnoba's attention in the Zelda game, why are you doing it to?
I think I have a hunch right now, though. The Queen of Hearts should reveal herself in-thread, then I can put together the rest of the puzzle.
That's not me. But do you mind sending a PM explaining this?
Your post makes me think you are Springfield mafia.
Well well well. There is a tenth faction after all. Couldn't resist, could you ATPG?
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-18-2011, 10:27
Well well well. There is a tenth faction after all. Couldn't resist, could you ATPG?
I think I have a vague idea about this. Can I PM you for clarification?
Sure. I believe I am 100% correct about this assumption.
ArpeggiateTHIS
05-18-2011, 11:16
I think I have a hunch right now, though. The Queen of Hearts should reveal herself in-thread, then I can put together the rest of the puzzle.
Why, do you happen to be the King of Hearts?
johnhughthom
05-18-2011, 11:20
townie who can't vote (*facepalm*).
:stare:
:laugh4:
How was making me not able to vote balanced? :P
Needless to say, the manner in which I got lynched was quite funny. I didn't bold a vote for suicide, and got lynched because of it.
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 11:45
Except you contributed nothing of substance to a case against Diamondeye. You only placed a wager, which given that people unvote and fold all the time so a wager doesn't matter until the very final closing bell, and if you were partners one of you could still have been bussing the other, proves nothing. And throwing pawns away is going to do so much for any scum group's morale(!) Think, for once, I was winning, if I was scum I wouldnt throw my scumbuddy away to save the head of the town network.
And why are you so terribly defensive and cowardly about yourself, trying to hide your retaliatory item and acting like it's such a threat the scum would kill you, all of the Innocents are in the same boat.1:Because I dont want to die, noone should.
2: I decided to make it hard for reneta after I had posted to I edited it into something more vague. It. Was. For. Fun.
Could you try to help us out perhaps, all this time of lying to Renata and arguing with other probable townies and you can't reveal anything other than vague, unverifiable roleblock attempts?
That would be hard to do because I dont have anything but hard to verify roleblock attempts, the only guy who could verify it is captain blackadder and he hasnt had more than 7 posts this game.
Like, what is so hard about telling us what faction you're on and what it's enemies are, and wouldn't you rather do this of your own choice than someone else revealing your identity for you anyway?
Because one of you idiots who belive that they can get away with a faction victory that includes killing off my faction might get it into thier heads that I am a target.
You're certainly not the only one who is being detrimental to the town here Greyblades, if you are Innocent, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people and factions I'm waiting to hear the same on. But if people would just cooperate and reveal this we'd be much, much closer to finishing off the chaotics.
No, it realy wouldn't, these guys have cover roles, revealing won't do squat and trying to get guys to cooperate after thier friends have turned out to be potential enemies(even more than they are now) is not going to help.
I don't care what you people are, South Park, Cosa Nostra, Psychotic, Springfield, so on, but it's killing the town to be secretly lying about each other's posts and accusing each other because of factional infighting.
And revealing will just open the floodgates for the anti town to try and get two factions killing each other.
The scanners like Bow-wow-wow who should reveal faction scans by now again need to do so as well. Because I'm happy to say that my agenda right now is to work with Backwards Logic and whomever else seems Innocent on simply lynching and vig-killing the various people who look scummy and if you're looking scummy because of silly factional stuff you're hiding it's your problem.Tell me if you werent so bloody invincible would you still do this?
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 14:13
Actually I have. Read the thread. I really wish Renata didn't take the gag with her.
You know Visor, if you were a townie you would actually be constructive in helping others to realize that you were not a chaotic scum, rather than "oh I'm an innocent, read the thread which conveniently happens to have almost 2000 posts".
Quote the posts, or no deal. Explain in detail, your attempts to "be helpful" and post lists that put you forward as town do you absolutely no credit at all.
And also ignoring posts probing into your innocence or guilt that are hard to answer on your part won't do you any justice (in fact you still haven't answered my posts). I would hate to have to keep re-quoting and reposting them you know Visor, but I will.
People keep questioning Visor's list, but hasn't proposed their own.
If we really want to be super accurate here this is the list:
Innocent: Probably Romanic and BL.
Unknown: Everyone else.
That's because it will assist the scums in picking targets :bow:
Earthling is right in that regard.
While we're posting fun facts, I've never drawn a scum role myself. :laugh4:
I've had either basic townie (such as this game and The Chamber), pro town vig (Buffy IV), townie who can't vote (*facepalm*).
The times I have felt 100% someone was scum, were the times I was right. Unfortunately they have only happened in a few games. I had suspicions about Renata, but was unable to act anyway.
I hope to learn a lot from this experience. :
Implying that you aren't scum because you aren't a scum role or based on past experiences is just really really contributing to the fact that you are trying to seem innocent but aren't providing hard facts.
Take for example, Romanic's defense:
Kage, I direct you to my claiming post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053313842&viewfull=1#post2053313842) where I explained that I was attacked by the green eyes killer on the last two nights. This guy is undoubtely Chaotic because he attacked someone every night except on N1, which can be explained by the Chaotic team having a maximum of 2 kills per night.
If he wasn't chaotic (or serial killer perhaps) then he would be limited, like us, to a % of success for his attacks, yet we hear from him every night (meaning he can't fail to attack).
And no one has counter claimed that he was the player attacked by the green-eye killer, so I'm probably telling the truth.
Green eye killer attacks:
N2: killed Diana (Evil)
N3: killed Zack (Evil)
N4: killed Beskar (neutral)
N5: attacked Romanic, busdrived with Ironside. Ironside died.
N6: attacked Romanic, busdrived with [someone], protection on Romanic succeeded to protect [someone] from being killed.
(where [someone] is the player we pick to busdrive me for protection, and I'm not ready to divulge that name)
****
Your argument that I didn't vote DE doesn't make me mafia. As I wrote in the post where I unvoted Greyblades, I said that I was perplexed [by what I read] and it was true. Diamondeye claimed having knowledge that Renata was antiTown, that's a stong claim, hard to ignore. On the other hand Renata organized the busdrive that saved my life on N5, also hard to ignore. And I was also surprised to hear about Seon's item, that conversion was possible in this game, and that Renata has been stealing items since the beginning: all things she didn't tell me about, which made me suspicious of her. So because I had to go to work, and was having a hard time deciding what to do, I simply unvoted, PMing Renata that I would revive her if she flipped Evil. I thought it was the best course of action, and as one who pushed that idea, you should agree with me.
Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.
If you don't have something that details very precisely why you probably aren't scum Visor, your attempts to masquerade as town (lets not forget how you are being as slippery as an eel and trying to ignore the inconvenient fact that you were dished out as a suspect a few rounds ago) are entirely pointless because nobody will trust you wholeheartedly.
And telling people to "go read what I've said already" isn't helping anyone but the chaotics, if you are an evil character, you would assist, after all, what have you to lose if nobody but the town does not know your identity?
Earthlink "wallOtext" Detective has pretty much been wrong on every count of accusations he has made,
Regardless of Earthling being wrong, he is proven to be an evil aligned individual. Let the man who has never been wrong at mafia, heck even repeatedly, be the first to criticize him on that regard and "ignore anything he is saying". Any takers? :bow:
Implying that you aren't scum because you aren't a scum role or based on past experiences is just really really contributing to the fact that you are trying to seem innocent but aren't providing hard facts.
I said I have never been a scum role.
And telling people to "go read what I've said already" isn't helping anyone but the chaotics, if you are an evil character, you would assist, after all, what have you to lose if nobody but the town does not know your identity?
I just did. If all goes to plan, you shall know my reasoning and what I have done. ;)
DiY, in a new post, post all the questions you want me to answer.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 14:42
My number one question is just for you to post exactly what you have said in thread that makes you a town (evil) role.
Because from that post I've quoted, all you've been doing is claiming "oh I've already said that go and read up" which is very unproductive because townies would want figure out why they should believe you and the chaotics already know who you are.
My number two question (not specifically directed towards you but everyone) is questioning why nobody trusts Earthling.
Lets face the facts shall we?
1) Like Romanic he was attacked at night (Heck I even pointed this out when I was alive on the phase he was up for the lynch but nobody cared to listen to that fact)
2) He may be wrong, but I'd challenge the person who hasn't been wrong before in mafia to advocate ignoring him
3) There have been claims that he is a role asking to die, but these are all theories from what I recall and were only claimed not proven, more so based on what his role was in the game where it came from.
4) He's proven innocent, case closed (well unless people care to provide evidence that nullifies this :yes:)
I highly doubt it would be that easy to figure out the purpose of its role just by looking at what it was in a previous game.
I just did. If all goes to plan, you shall know my reasoning and what I have done. ;)
You have to understand Visor, all of this is just smelling like a delaying scheme. All I'm (and others) are asking for is compelling evidence that suggests that you are townie, that is in fact highly plausible. I even cited Romanic's case as a good example, but you seem to be ignoring/not realizing the questions ALREADY BEING ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES OVER. Delaying such an example and waiting for something to come along to do it for you then using it as justification will not cut it for me.
For example: You justified your votes on Renata and even said this precise phrase "I knew Renata had to die".
With the knowledge that she was not an evil/neutral character after her victory.
Don't make me have to quote it. Repeating myself needlessly is incredibly pointless and unless you derive great pleasure from intentionally frustrating members of your same team, you should help by providing the required information.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 14:43
Heck even Renata provided pretty compelling evidence why she was not chaotic.
Revive me and I can give you answers!
My number one question is just for you to post exactly what you have said in thread that makes you a town (evil) role.
Roleblocking, saving Renata by voting DE, my recent findings (which you will find out), my item comments. I dunno what else, what do you want me to say?
My number two question (not specifically directed towards you but everyone) is questioning why nobody trusts Earthling.
Almost always wrong and he is quite insulting a lot of the time. Personally, I'm amused why no-one votes him anything. Buyt I suppose Renata's words on his character may ring true.
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 14:53
...Being wrong, rude and annoying arent signs of mafia, they're signs of a frustrated townie I should know I've been that way myself.
Well maybe not a frustrated townie per se but still.
Yeah, but he's catasrophically wrong and annoying. Going out of his way to be bad for the town. We don't even have any leads atm.
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 14:57
We have about 6 players with less than ten posts and this mysterious ressurector of renetas still to look up, we're not exactly wanting for suspects.
Edit: miscounted thats about 4 people without more than 10 posts we could be looking at.
Well why don't we pressure them in the morning?
You're saying we have two resurrectors?
One good and one bad, correct?
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 15:03
No, I think I remember reneta saying something about knowing a resurrector and I'm assuming its the same one that revived DE. Two might be a possibility but I'm not sure enough to say at this point.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:04
Roleblocking, saving Renata by voting DE, my recent findings (which you will find out), my item comments. I dunno what else, what do you want me to say?
Roleblocking does not prove that you aren't scum.
Saving Renata by voting DE could have been a bussing attempt.
I don't know and won't know until its public so that doesn't count. You should tell it to Backwards Logic, and see what he thinks. I honestly don't know why people aren't consolidating information with the confirmed innocents such as BL, if you don't trust/don't like Earthling, then send the information to Backwards Logic. There is no reason whatsoever to not give him that information if you think it vindicates you. He can and will decide.
Visorslash, I need you to quote precisely your "item comments" and everything about your role blocking. I do not want to have to flip through all of your posts, but I will if you persist in being so unhelpful and not elaborating.
I don't want you saying that "Oh I did Roleblocking". Who did you roleblock? Why does this make you innocent? Don't make me hound you for details Visor, this isn't very pleasant.
I have said what I already want you to say, stop feigning ignorance.
this mysterious ressurector of renetas still to look up
Romanic has publicly claimed to be said reviver Greyblades, he has provided compelling evidence as to why he is not scum :bow:
AKA being attacked by a chaotic.
Didn't Romanic claim the reviver?
DiY, Greyblades, please, your honest opinion. Am I scum?
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 15:06
Romanic has publicly claimed to be said reviver Greyblades, he has provided compelling evidence as to why he is not scum
AKA being attacked by a chaotic.
Oh, well I definitely havent been paying attention. Did he say anything about DE?
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:06
Visorslash, please answer my questions :bow:
That will determine my response to your question. And I also can't say whether you are scum are not, I can only say whether I think you are scum or not.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:08
Oh, well I definitely havent been paying attention. Did he say anything about DE?
I'm not aware of any communication Renata had with Diamondeye, and I've never talked with DE privately in this game.
Where did you get that BL's reviver is the same player who revived DE? It's not. The chaotics are reviving their own.
I'm the reviver, obviously, and not caring much about revealing this info anymore since I've been attacked two nights in a row but failed both times.
Green eye killer attacked me on Night 5:
Attack of the Green eye killer on Night 6
I survived both because I was busdrived for my protection, and Renata organized the first busdrive, which is why I vouched for her. It would have been surprising that she was Chaotic if the busdrive she organized saved my life. Fine, she wasn't Evil either, but what can you do? I didn't expect a neutral to affect my victory conditions. As Earthling said yesterday, the Evil goal is to kill all the Chaotics so once DE flipped chaotic yesterday, I was trusting Renata all the way.
Big deal she won her own victory, it's not game over for us yet.
Now if some players are willing to lynch me over a known Chaotic (Diamondeye), I don't understand. Obviously I can't be Chaotic with Diamondeye, given the history and his vote on me today. Not sure what you expect to find?
Btw, I'm Evil Mafia, just like BL, which is why I revived him first, after which I failed two nights in a row.
Kage, I direct you to my claiming post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053313842&viewfull=1#post2053313842) where I explained that I was attacked by the green eyes killer on the last two nights. This guy is undoubtely Chaotic because he attacked someone every night except on N1, which can be explained by the Chaotic team having a maximum of 2 kills per night.
If he wasn't chaotic (or serial killer perhaps) then he would be limited, like us, to a % of success for his attacks, yet we hear from him every night (meaning he can't fail to attack).
And no one has counter claimed that he was the player attacked by the green-eye killer, so I'm probably telling the truth.
Green eye killer attacks:
N2: killed Diana (Evil)
N3: killed Zack (Evil)
N4: killed Beskar (neutral)
N5: attacked Romanic, busdrived with Ironside. Ironside died.
N6: attacked Romanic, busdrived with [someone], protection on Romanic succeeded to protect [someone] from being killed.
(where [someone] is the player we pick to busdrive me for protection, and I'm not ready to divulge that name)
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Your argument that I didn't vote DE doesn't make me mafia. As I wrote in the post where I unvoted Greyblades, I said that I was perplexed [by what I read] and it was true. Diamondeye claimed having knowledge that Renata was antiTown, that's a stong claim, hard to ignore. On the other hand Renata organized the busdrive that saved my life on N5, also hard to ignore. And I was also surprised to hear about Seon's item, that conversion was possible in this game, and that Renata has been stealing items since the beginning: all things she didn't tell me about, which made me suspicious of her. So because I had to go to work, and was having a hard time deciding what to do, I simply unvoted, PMing Renata that I would revive her if she flipped Evil. I thought it was the best course of action, and as one who pushed that idea, you should agree with me.
Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.
:bow:
Well do you think I am scum?
I missed night one, and have only suceeding in roleblocking autolycus, who I said wasn't scum after people were talking about vigging him. Turns out he wasn't scum.
I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 15:11
Thank you. DIY
So who revived DE?
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:18
Well do you think I am scum?
I missed night one, and have only suceeding in roleblocking autolycus, who I said wasn't scum after people were talking about vigging him. Turns out he wasn't scum.
I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.
So is this why you are asking Greyblades and me for whether you are scum or not?
So you can quote us to lend credence to your supposed "innocence"??
Lets look at this shall we? Out of Auto's posts all 10 of them, there is no mention about Visorslash explicitly, and most certainly no mention about Visorslash being innocent.
Post #1243 here even expresses how he thinks his blocker might have been scum.
Sorry if I've been a bit inactive, I find it hard to get going in large games where private claims aren't allowed ordinarily, and running a game over on CFC doesn't make things easier.
Anyway, I was role-blocked last night, so there's at least one other person out there who knows I'm not one of the killers. Granted, given the two action system, it's fully possible that my blocker was one of the killers. Anyway, I like the Earthling case better than the mythmonster one, so Bet: 20 credits on Earthling.
I'm sorry Visor, but Autolycus has not made any mention about you being innocent.
Your case is void, your innocence is not proved.
I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.
Elaborate, I am not moved and will continue persisting until your response is both satisfactory and existent (in relation to providing things that are not one liners).
So who revived DE?
A chaotic reviver, or simply someone who isn't chaotic neutral or evil, one can never know especially with Renata.
In any case, its most definitely not someone who is town.
Stop twisting things. I SAID that Autolycus wasn't scum after the possibility of him being vigged was brought up. I knew he wasn't a killer.
I will never convince you DiY. And I don't particularly care. Wait until the night is over and you shall see why I did what I did.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:24
I will accept that error [looked at it wrongly] :bow:
Nevertheless elaboration would be nice :bow:
I remained unconvinced still because it is lacking.
Edit:
And I don't particularly care
Why do you not care? Like any other townie I am merely seeking to see whether you can be trusted or not, since you clearly desire to be, you should aid yourself in the process by cooperating with information.
Or at the very least pass that information along to Backwards Logic, it will do you no good when dead and if you don't trust earthling, BL is still another confirmed townie.
Okay mate. Don't mind if I just ignore your dead body for the rest of purgatory then? :laugh4:
Greyblades
05-18-2011, 15:25
Oy vey, nice to see you two make up at least.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:28
Okay mate. Don't mind if I just ignore your dead body for the rest of purgatory then?
Oh yes I do mind Visor :tongue:
But at least do answer my questions AND pass the information along to Backwards Logic will you? :eyebrows:
Pass along what information?
I dunno what else I can say to convince you that I am town. I suppose me dying would prove that, but no-one wants that now do they? :P
Explaining what this '10th faction' is, what they do, why are they secret, and where did you find this out would be a start...
Because I am smart. That's why.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:41
Pass along what information?
I dunno what else I can say to convince you that I am town. I suppose me dying would prove that, but no-one wants that now do they? :P
Pass along everything you know, what actions you've been doing, explaining all about this "new thing about the cards" that you are testing out and need us to "trust you" for one night to see what happens.
Yet really Visor, I highly doubt that card information gathered by next phase will yield conclusive results that will be decisive in the game, that in itself is why you are inherently untrustworthy. It stinks of buying time as I will once again mention.
But really Visor, just pass everything along. And do it now :whip:
Unless you are telling me that you think Backwards Logic cannot be trusted with your "top secret information" that will change the game :yes:
Nothing is stopping you except from your own scum nature :beam:
For starters responses such as:
Because I am smart. That's why.
Could be avoided if you really wanted to be helpful.
The cards thing? I said someone could analyse the cards. I'm too lazy to. :P
If what I think happens in the night happens, I will probably be lynched anyway because of it, so proving my innocence to you is rather pointless. Some people may understand what I have done, but others won't. That's okay. I'm just glad I managed to figure it out.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:47
Then send along things such as these to BL immediately:
Well well well. There is a tenth faction after all. Couldn't resist, could you ATPG?
There's no harm in doing so. I'm sure that once BL is back he can check when you finally acquiesced to do so :yes:
Moreover, you are too lazy to analyze the cards but you have 138 posts in the game, second to only Renata? I call your bluff on that Mister :stare:
Edit:
I will probably be lynched anyway because of it, so proving my innocence to you is rather pointless.
Then at least if you were town make yourself useful and send information to Backwards Logic before you die. That is all I'm asking for, there's absolutely no need in evading the point Visor.
Most of my posts are pointless. :P
The deaths were easy to organise, the cards... meh.
BL will read the thread. WE have 48 hours for night. I'll be here for a while.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:52
Most of my posts are pointless. :P
The deaths were easy to organise, the cards... meh.
BL will read the thread. WE have 48 hours for night. I'll be here for a while.
Well well, what do we have here?
In any case Visor, people will indeed read the thread, but I should think that pming him will be better. I highly doubt that even if your claims were genuine and you were town would you consent to reveal in thread. As such I present the alternative that you send it along to BL who is fairly active.
Why do you think I am so scumlike DiY? I don't understand.
Don't play silly buggers DiY. By the deaths I mean the deaths in the summary thread.
I sent my claims to a lot of people. Because they must happen this night. It is imperative.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 15:57
Because they must happen this night. It is imperative.
What is this "they", do tell, the sense of urgency here piques my curiosity.
And have you sent Backwards Logic your claims and information yet?
For all this talk about claims being sent to a lot of people I see few vouching for you.
Well I only learnt it recently, around six hours ago. Only around four people have recieved it, one of which is Greyblades, who has not vouched, but has not been against me either.
Another is Romanic, who has not been online yet I believe, Psychonaut has also recieved it, and commented.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 16:03
So who is person number four and when are you going to send Backwards Logic your info.
I sent it to a lot of people. ;)
I haven't sent it to Earthling, because no doubt my claims will be ridiculed. I'm pretty damn sure I'm right here. I thought about telling BL, but I thought he might tell the people it concerns for some reason. Still debating whether to do it.
You basically sent it to almost everyone who are still alive alphabetically, if the PM I got is any judge...
Just asking people to kill other people tonight without a shred of evidence is NOT a good idea :no:
I have all the evidence needed. The people who have asked why I answered them. They understood.
Death is yonder
05-18-2011, 16:22
I thought about telling BL, but I thought he might tell the people it concerns for some reason. Still debating whether to do it.
The situation here, is that if you die this information might get lost if people don't post it.
So sending it to BL won't hurt, after all if your reasons are convincing I doubt he would tell the people concerned. You yourself noted that "those to who asked why such a course of action was necessary understood eventually". There's no reason to think that BL would be any different.
I know that. I don't know why I haven't sent it to him. I will do it tomorrow. Quite tired now. :P
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