Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[B-Wing]

I had a piece of information I was seriously considering sharing, and now I can't because I'm dead. :sick: Though about doing it last round, but I didn't expect to be a target. So if anybody wants to take a big gamble on reviving me... shoot, you're probably better off reviving someone else, but I hate not being able to contribute anything at this point. Not that I was a big contributor when I was alive, but... Say, I'd really like to know if I was vigilanteed or killed by a chaotic!

[Jolt]

Everyone on the list voting for Greyblades is anti-mafia or some one who has been cohorted in working with scum.

He is a man with a plan and he is going to build a canal through the scum to deliver a town victory.

Now I can firmly say, don't resurrect Beskar under any circumstance.

[Beskar]

Now I can firmly say, don't resurrect Beskar under any circumstance.

Why? Because if I am right, it shows where your allegiance lies, right? :wink:

and if I am right, you really want to know the rest of the information I possess which I can't divulge because of rules. I am a really big threat to the anti-mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Many players with significant updates to their character now have a round 5 updated card. Many players without significant changes also have an updated card.

There shouldn't be too many folks left who are in dire need of an update. Gonna call it quits for tonight. Once again, message me if you want your card prioritized.

[a completely inoffensive name]

for the sake of adding to the discussion can warman and fluffy give at least some serious input within these next 20 hours or so?

i have to admit, i am kind of addicted to this game now that i am actively participating in the discussion. i like seeing new posts.

[Romanic]

Oh well I just came back from work and I'm feeling no-nonsense, or maybe is it that I am stupid to reveal this but...

The reviver is in Renata's network, Backwards Logic know his identity (he can confirm) and if this trend persist, we will be forced to be more aggressive in the game thread, so...

I'm asking you one last time, politely, to withdraw your votes from Renata. Please.

If I'm lying, then can the real reviver please stand up? :beam: It wouldn't be such a bad deal, to reveal yourself and confirm that I am lying and definitely chaotic, with Renata on my side. Two for one, with how this game is running, only 1 chaotic dead, I'd take the deal any day (and you can protect the reviver anyway)

But it won't happen because the reviver is on our side. Don't force us to reveal his identity.

Also I might add that I have no certainty about Renata, nor does anybody else in our gang, but her behavior is certainly pro-Town. Talk about shooting myself in the foot, saying that loud and clear :laugh4: ....so anyway, we're not certain about Renata, like anybody else, except maybe BL (if conversion is not possible). But you cannot lynch Renata, not with the case you have on her. Get a good case and we will consider it, gut feelings are just not enough to lynch someone who's been helpful.

I understand that you didn't have this info, but now you do, so it's time to do the right thing. If you don't like Greyblades as a lynch, accuse someone else.



P.S. Don't listen to Beskar's babblings. :grin:

[Romanic]

Actually they dont cost money, the cash only increases the success rate, go read the rules again then come back and tell the class what you learned.

My roleblocking:
Night 1 noone - not paying attention to game, had bigger fish to fry in another.
night 2 blackadder succeeded
Night 3 fluffy failed
night 4 you, failed
Night 5 Subotan failed
Pity I only started to suspect you properly after pizza said he wouldnt take any more orders on night 5.
What % you had for each of these roleblocks, you failed 3/4, that's bad.

You said that you've been doing roleblocks and protections mostly. I'd like to know who you protected each night, publicly or privately, as you prefer, and why you chose these players.

Also, why did you block CB, Fluffy, Renata and Subotan?

[Romanic]

Utility Flashlight to Backwards Logic
Silenced Handgun to Backwards Logic
Triforce to Backwards Logic
Rabbity Rabbit to Backwards Logic
Omega Sample to Backwards Logic

I'm against dispersing the items to everyone. 4 players with a 20% skill is less efficient than one with 80%. Backwards Logic is our beacon of light, so let's have him deal with the items and maybe distribute some to players he trusts.

I know it sucks, everyone wants a shiny item, but the safer course of action is to give the items to our only confirmed Town (*).

(*) and from now on, I will refer to BL as a confirmed Town, even though I am aware that it's possible, though unlikely, that conversion is part of this game.

[Visor]

ORLY?

PM please.

Okay.


Forget the PM, Visor, you can say it in public -- why did you imply to me earlier today that Believer was a huge suspect of yours? I quote:

"I suggest you put pressure on Believer."

Putting pressure on, and lynching, are two different things. Thank you for waiting 24 minutes before destroying one of my plans. If you had bloody waited, I would've told you.


Ah. Some of the fog begins to clear. But still, answer my question.

What? I posted that this morning, these posts are after that? I'm not dodging your question, I'm unable to answer it!

Now which question do you want me to answer? If you say my answer in the thread, consider my 60 credits on you.

[Visor]

Utility Flashlight to Backwards Logic
Silenced Handgun to Backwards Logic
Triforce to Backwards Logic
Rabbity Rabbit to Backwards Logic
Omega Sample to Backwards Logic

I'm against dispersing the items to everyone. 4 players with a 20% skill is less efficient than one with 80%. Backwards Logic is our beacon of light, so let's have him deal with the items and maybe distribute some to players he trusts.

I know it sucks, everyone wants a shiny item, but the safer course of action is to give the items to our only confirmed Town (*).

(*) and from now on, I will refer to BL as a confirmed Town, even though I am aware that it's possible, though unlikely, that conversion is part of this game.

You seem sure he will hand some items over.

[Romanic]

You seem sure he will hand some items over.

Am I?

I said that "maybe [BL will] distribute some to player he trusts". I actually don't care what he does with the items, as long as it serves the Town's cause.

What's your problem Visorslash? You don't like a confirmed townie to get all the items?

[a completely inoffensive name]

did romanic just tell everyone to shut up about renata or they will kill us?

[Visor]

What's your problem Visorslash? You don't like a confirmed townie to get all the items?

Yes. I hate the fact that a confirmed townie is getting all the items, I would prefer we gave it all to Red Spy, who isn't active at all.

I feel he won't. If you feel so strongly about Renata, why not vote items to her?

[Romanic]

did romanic just tell everyone to shut up about renata or they will kill us?

*shrug*



Yes. I hate the fact that a confirmed townie is getting all the items, I would prefer we gave it all to Red Spy, who isn't active at all.

Brilliant idea.



I feel he won't. If you feel so strongly about Renata, why not vote items to her?
Because....


Also I might add that I have no certainty about Renata, nor does anybody else in our gang, but her behavior is certainly pro-Town. [...] so anyway, we're not certain about Renata, like anybody else, except maybe BL

[Visor]

Brilliant idea.
I try.

[a completely inoffensive name]

so we are not certain about renata, but she has been acting pro town. so she cant be scum pretending and putting up a good front.

well guys, looks like this case has been solved.

[Romanic]

Can you believe this guy?

[Visor]

I can, but I don't know if I will.

[Diamondeye]

The reviver is in Renata's network, Backwards Logic know his identity (he can confirm) and if this trend persist, we will be forced to be more aggressive in the game thread, so...

I'm asking you one last time, politely, to withdraw your votes from Renata. Please.

If I'm lying, then can the real reviver please stand up? :beam: It wouldn't be such a bad deal, to reveal yourself and confirm that I am lying and definitely chaotic, with Renata on my side. Two for one, with how this game is running, only 1 chaotic dead, I'd take the deal any day (and you can protect the reviver anyway)

But it won't happen because the reviver is on our side. Don't force us to reveal his identity

What you're saying here is that if we don't call back votes on Renata, something might happen to the reviver? That perhaps, he will be sleeping with the fishies soon? Or that because of our votes, it will be our fault if he's revealed?

:daisy: man you actually sound evil! Cosa Nostra, maybe?

I am just going to keep pushing here and if Renata rolls over badly I know where to go tomorrow.

[Romanic]

What I am saying is that if you don't withdraw your votes from Renata, the reviver will have to claim in this thread and vouch for her, so that we don't lose one of the players who's been working with us (and someone we trust).

[a completely inoffensive name]

Can you believe this guy?


I can, but I don't know if I will.

Haters gonna hate.

I ain't rolling with Kage and Beskar asking for Renata's head on platter on a gut feeling. I just want some healthy skepticism on her and apparently that makes me the unbelievable character.

[Greyblades]

What % you had for each of these roleblocks, you failed 3/4, that's bad.
Realy, would never have guessed(!)


You said that you've been doing roleblocks and protections mostly. I'd like to know who you protected each night, publicly or privately, as you prefer, and why you chose these players....myself...except night 3 when I was trying to steal an item from fluffy. I failed.

Also, why did you block CB, Fluffy, Renata and Subotan?
Randomness in the hope of preventing a night kill.

[Diamondeye]

What I am saying is that if you don't withdraw your votes from Renata, the reviver will have to claim in this thread and vouch for her, so that we don't lose one of the players who's been working with us (and someone we trust).

So that's a "yes", then?

Also, I read your previous posts, and now you 'trust' Renata. How much? You should probably think twice since if she hangs and is scum (and I'm willing to bet a 60 on that), you'll look bad.
See now I've become one of the people who use these basic explanations just like they were used against me earlier, they really are annoying and hard to argue against, aren't they? :tongue:

I'd ask the reviver to shut up and revive Renata if she's innocent. Capiche?

[Ironside]

To the recently deceased: I'm curious as to who your top supects are, especially Ironsides considering you got bused to death last night.

Haven't really had some strong ones before, but today were interesting:



I'll be brief now, but I'll try to elaborate on things later. I've been consciously "noncommital" in the thread to avoid the attention of mafia and vigilante alike... I started with a 10% Faction scanning item, which got stolen but I was voted a new one the same day, so I've been continually firing 10% scans into the dark, also trying to find out my hidden ability.

You said you want to see me to get in the game? I might not have a lot of credits (couple of failed creditstealing attempts), but I'll Bet 60: Renata. You can call me Charlie if she's Evil.

This is horribly poor play. If we really talk about faction scans, then 75 credits is enough to get them for free. If talking about detective scans, then there's need of commitment. for 160 credits, you'll get one for free, that get boosted by the item.

That's not counting that a successful scan isn't that useful. Hitting a mafia tells you his cover role and that he've been active. Whohoo, that's almost everyone. Active scan can be useful to confirm if someone was roleblocked or getting warned to do nothing this night.

Also Diamondeye have trying to be stealing money to do nothing with them. And scan+trial doesn't spend money= hoarding money for reasons not admitted.

Poor play (can be explain by the complicated rules and lack of full info about them)+ no actions that anybody can confirm + hiding something about his night actions.


Vote: TRIFORCE to myself

I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to do vigilante work. Pretty much the only thing I have succeeded at so far is losing credits and getting them stolen. I am back down to 10 credits as of today.

Wanting the override item for himself, that only is useful if you can hit the target and that this target is protected. It's not really a good vigi item, but a wonderful Chaotic item. Chaotix haas also wanting to go after bus driver items before, but now goes vigi. Most people atleast partially acts from their personal objective, thus making a double item hunt odd.


But whatever happens, we gotta keep the override powers out of the hands of the mafia.

This is very obvious. And uneeded to be said. Unless you want extra distance from the Chaotics. For extra bonus, he does the sama error as they're pounding on Renata.


As someone on the outside looking in, I am of the opinion that Renata is probably scum, but has placed herself in the center of a group of townies- I'd say the players she's been coordinating are likely innocents, while she has been manipulating them. You guys have little reason to trust me right now... so if there is someone who is a likely town player from Renata's group, I'll switch my vote there. Just please make sure it doesn't go to Renata herself.

Bet: 1 on Renata

I don't have a whole lot to spare here.

Leaning towards Renata, but are non-commital enough for denyability if she shows up as evil.

The case on Renta is based on her getting a network, partially by asking publically for it in thread. And he distracts from innocent Earthling and later on innocent Autolycus. She's guilty because her efforts has this far given nothing, in any direction. That's one very weak reson, yet it's making it obvious that she's guilty.
Unless I've missed that this is her superscummy tell sign, it's nothing.


The busdriver that killed me is innocent (driving a Chaotic kill) and probably ACIN. Even if you isn't ACIN, busdriving is not the most effective defense, since it kills one player anyway. And it causes confusion, since it redirects everything (roleblocks, thefts, scans). It can protect important persons from getting killed if the killer got heavy on override items, but the killers doesn't start out with strong ones (if any at all) anyway. Track the item and you get the killer in that case anyway.

[Romanic]

So that's a "yes", then?

Also, I read your previous posts, and now you 'trust' Renata. How much? You should probably think twice since if she hangs and is scum (and I'm willing to bet a 60 on that), you'll look bad.
See now I've become one of the people who use these basic explanations just like they were used against me earlier, they really are annoying and hard to argue against, aren't they? :tongue:

I'd ask the reviver to shut up and revive Renata if she's innocent. Capiche?

A yes to what?

I have my reasons to trust Renata, but it's not something that I am willing to share in the game thread. It's sensitive information that we don't want the chaotic to know about.

I really don't care how you turn your argument DE, the reviver vouching for Renata should be enough for you to reconsider, unless you think this guy spent 180 credits to revive another Town player, to get Town credentials when he's really chaotic?

Afaik your case on Renata is a gut feeling, following Kage's. If you have something stronger, then please tell me privately or publicly, otherwise I believe that my side of the story, the only reviver we've seen, vouching for Renata, is a stronger argument than what you have. In which case you should accept my request to back off.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't understand why the Reviver would claim in order to vouche for Renata. Being the reviver has nothing to do with proving Renatas innocence or vice versa, and it doesn't justify the gamble the Reviver would be taking. That doesn't make any sense, and as it stands its a very terrible bluff. The detective I could see doing such a thing, the reviver no.

What will be a shame is if Renata turns out to be town after getting lynched, and all that hoarded information goes into the abyss.

FYI I can vouche for Backwards Logic.

[Diamondeye]

This is horribly poor play. If we really talk about faction scans, then 75 credits is enough to get them for free. If talking about detective scans, then there's need of commitment. for 160 credits, you'll get one for free, that get boosted by the item.

Also Diamondeye have trying to be stealing money to do nothing with them. And scan+trial doesn't spend money= hoarding money for reasons not admitted.

Perhaps it's horribly poor play that I don't know how I'd use 75 credits to get factions scans for free, but as I said earlier I even wasted a night action because I didn't know how the rules worked.

Also, a steal attempt costs money even when it fails, afaik.


A yes to what?

My earlier post that says you are basically using your knowledge of the reviver's identity to hold him hostage against people voting in a fashion you dislike.


I have my reasons to trust Renata, but it's not something that I am willing to share in the game thread. It's sensitive information that we don't want the chaotic to know about.

I really don't care how you turn your argument DE, the reviver vouching for Renata should be enough for you to reconsider, unless you think this guy spent 180 credits to revive another Town player, to get Town credentials when he's really chaotic?

Who'll vouch for the Reviver, then? You could be making this up of whole cloth. That said, I probably would consider it more seriously... The larger this thing is blown up the less likely it is that scum will feel comfortable still discussing it due to the attention it garners.


Afaik your case on Renata is a gut feeling, following Kage's. If you have something stronger, then please tell me privately or publicly, otherwise I believe that my side of the story, the only reviver we've seen, vouching for Renata, is a stronger argument than what you have. In which case you should accept my request to back off.

Would you trust if I *giggle* said that it was... "not something that I am willing to share in the game thread. It's sensitive information that we don't want the chaotic to know about."

[a completely inoffensive name]

If Renata is still on the chopping block by the end of this round, I am voting for psycho to get her out of it.

Lol, we got people talking about killing Renata off of a gut feeling and people talking about not killing Renata off of faith.

We still got the numbers. If Greyblades is innocent, we know what is up. Doesn't necessarily mean she is chaotic, but if she can't get us the chaotics then we go with whatever plan B is (reviving kage, beskar or MRD I guess).

Stupid back and forth false dilemma is killing us again. Well if not MRD than Earthling, oh crap not Earthling either. Well if not Renata, than Greyblades and vise versa. This is just pointless. Imma continue to work on my post by post analysis of a few people.

[Romanic]

My earlier post that says you are basically using your knowledge of the reviver's identity to hold him hostage against people voting in a fashion you dislike.
No, no, I'm saying that the reviver would willingly vouch for Renata in the game thread, in an attempt to save her life, because he trusts her.


Who'll vouch for the Reviver, then? You could be making this up of whole cloth. That said, I probably would consider it more seriously... The larger this thing is blown up the less likely it is that scum will feel comfortable still discussing it due to the attention it garners.
Backwards Logic would vouch for the reviver.


Would you trust if I *giggle* said that it was... "not something that I am willing to share in the game thread. It's sensitive information that we don't want the chaotic to know about."
Tell me privately then.

Are you saying that you have proof that Renata is chaotic? Or something strong pointing her toward this alignment?

Cause you know, I do have a good reason to believe Renata is Town, so please clarify your position by answering the two above questions. I want what you're saying, to be very clear in this thread, because if Renata flips Evil, you will have to answer for it after saying such a thing.

I, myself have a good reason to believe she's Town, and I'll reveal it if she flips chaotic.

[Greyblades]

If Renata is still on the chopping block by the end of this round, I am voting for psycho to get her out of it.

Lol, we got people talking about killing Renata off of a gut feeling and people talking about not killing Renata off of faith.

We still got the numbers. If Psycho is innocent, we know what is up. Doesn't necessarily mean she is chaotic, but if she can't get us the chaotics then we go with whatever plan B is (reviving kage, beskar or MRD I guess).

Stupid back and forth false dilemma is killing us again. Well if not MRD than Earthling, oh crap not Earthling either. Well if not Renata, than Psycho and vise versa. This is just pointless. Imma continue to work on my post by post analysis of a few people.

OK I must have missed something, how is killing psychonaut supposed to help us?

[a completely inoffensive name]

OK I must have missed something, how is killing psychonaut supposed to help us?


Whoops my bad. From my conversation with her today she talked about psycho being scummy (post #1453) and I forgot she has been putting her money on you actually.

I will edit that.

[Ironside]

Perhaps it's horribly poor play that I don't know how I'd use 75 credits to get factions scans for free, but as I said earlier I even wasted a night action because I didn't know how the rules worked.

Also, a steal attempt costs money even when it fails, afaik.


You use 3 scans, each for 25 credits. Then you get it for free as an abillity. It's in the rules, like that failed steal attempts costs money. You've seem oddly unaware of those rules. :inquisitive:
And also implying that you haven't failed a steal. :dizzy2:

Detective scan is 80 a piece, do 2 and you get it for free (not at 100% though).

That only payed actions gives experince is something that ATPG haven't been clear on though.

[a completely inoffensive name]

WTH! There is search function for posts by a specific user within a thread? I have been friggen control-fing 10 pages.

[Jolt]

Why? Because if I am right, it shows where your allegiance lies, right? :wink:

and if I am right, you really want to know the rest of the information I possess which I can't divulge because of rules. I am a really big threat to the anti-mafia.

No, because you have just clearly and innevocally endorsed a Mafioso. Besides I've never told anyone that Renata is not Mafia (I even voted against her). What I did clearly tell is that Greyblades is obviously a Mafioso. And I'll tell you what: If Greyblades is not Mafia, then I won't say another word in this game.

I have a lot of doubts that you have anything whatsoever that is of great importance to the town. Simply stating it repeatedly so you have a shot at being revived is not gonna cut it. But I'll guess we'll see how your credibility lies if Renata is lynched and turns out evil or Greyblades is lynched and is Chaotic or something else. My guess is, no revive for you.

Usually that (I have Mafia information) bluff only works (Especially coming from a Neutral) if you have squeaky clean credibility, otherwise being revived will be simply assumed that the Mafia revived you, and you'll probably be lynched the very following day. So far, I haven't seen you do anything to help the town:

Voted for B_Ray on Day 1, later turned out murdered and was a townie.
Voted for Renata on Day 2 (Curiously, I was the one who first voted against her, using Kage's suggestion)
Voted alone for Chaotix on Day 3.
Voted alone for Crazed_Rabbit on Day 4.

Every single one of these votes were only 1 credit bets, so these last two either were stealthy attempts to start an alternate bandwagon, or in fact Beskar doesn't really know anything until the night he was murdered and didn't approach anyone exactly because of it. The other chance is him being affiliated with the Mafia, and trying to vote low and independently to distance himself from other scummy people.

Once again, I wouldn't really advise reviving Beskar if you're townie.

[Diamondeye]

No, no, I'm saying that the reviver would willingly vouch for Renata in the game thread, in an attempt to save her life, because he trusts her.

Backwards Logic would vouch for the reviver.

I don't know if that would be comforting or disturbing actuallly, since I don't trust her.


Tell me privately then.

The rules are positively tight about revealing things in private as far as I understand. Then again perhaps I should re-read them, it seems like I've missed a couple of details.


Are you saying that you have proof that Renata is chaotic? Or something strong pointing her toward this alignment?

Would you trust it if I did?


Cause you know, I do have a good reason to believe Renata is Town, so please clarify your position by answering the two above questions. I want what you're saying, to be very clear in this thread, because if Renata flips Evil, you will have to answer for it after saying such a thing.

I, myself have a good reason to believe she's Town, and I'll reveal it if she flips chaotic.

That's a bit late if you want to convince someone with it.


You use 3 scans, each for 25 credits. Then you get it for free as an abillity. It's in the rules, like that failed steal attempts costs money. You've seem oddly unaware of those rules. :inquisitive:
And also implying that you haven't failed a steal. :dizzy2:

Detective scan is 80 a piece, do 2 and you get it for free (not at 100% though).

That only payed actions gives experince is something that ATPG haven't been clear on though.

I was not implying that I haven't failed a steal (I haven't succeeded in one!), merely asserting the statement you made that steal attempts only cost if they are succesful. That's how I read your last post.

I'll be back later, I've got to get something to eat(!) - how much remains of the phase?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wow, searching posts by user made this a lot faster. So here is the post by post of Crazed Rabbit. A player that has managed to contribute a whopping 9 posts in this entire game.
NOTE: All days are within the context of my time zone.
Game started: 4-15-11

Post #1: 4-27-11 So his first post comes along on page 15 for me 12 days after the game has started. A good start for a lurker lol. In this post he puts 1 cred on civplayah with the crappy excuse of "good as any other". He also gives a warning to peopl about the desert eagle up for grabs, trying to dissuade people from eagerly going for it. Curiously, this was right after ArpeggateTHIS the serial killer was killed by the retaliation item. Possible motivation: He wants to reduce the possibility of someoen other than one of his teammates if he is chaotic from getting the item. Chaotics at that point might have been ******** bricks after seeing Seon and Arp die quickly from those retaliation items.

Post #2: 4-28-11 So after a day has past he pops in again to fold and raise his bet all in with 20 credits on civplayah. His excuse is again lame, by claiming that "MRD is too funny to die". He then mentions a bandwagon and makes a negative remark about one forming.

Post #3: 4-28-11 A confident assertion about MRD being innocent. Some I guess could call it being a little too confident as if he has "insider information" I personally think he just had the same intuition I did.

Post #4: 4-28-11 (goes from gone for 12 days to now posting 4 times in two days) Accuses Zack of beign scummy when Zack points FOS at him.

Post #5: 5-01-11 Another assertion that MRD is innocent and that he will vote Earthling.

Post #6: 5-01-11 Repeats his "MRD is too funny to die" line as a reason. says MRD is actually working very hard in a pro town role. Says he is voting for earthling due to his large and bewildering posts and calls the motivation for his lynching "crime and punishment".

Post #7: 5-01-11 Another short post attacking Earthling.

Post #8: 5-06-11 After vanishing for 5 days he comes back just to place his bet on earthling. Then he disappears yet again for another 6 days before his last post made yesterday.

Post #9: 5-12-11 Talks about how distrubing it is that someone can just lurk for so long and for so much without having any sort of attention put on them (EDITORS NOTE: LOLOLOL). Wants MRD back as revived player. Says that people should listen to ACIN (I am flattered.)

So yeah. This game has been going on for almost a month now, and we have 9 posts from him. All of them short. All of them weak imo. I don't like him suddenly appearing with most of his posts during the whole MRD-Earthling debacle and then suddenly going away when it was all said and done. That seems like a goal to enable and provoke others into joining in, in order to distract everyone.

I still have to do one on Warman and maybe Subotan. But how is that for reasonable suspicion Renata?

[Death is yonder]

WTH! There is search function for posts by a specific user within a thread? I have been friggen control-fing 10 pages.

You can go to the game room page, then click the "replies" thing above the "views" for the specific thread, followed by clicking the specific user. Seems like you found it in the time I took to make this post.

On a separate note, several items in the discussion thus far on a read through are really really odd.

Visorslash:


Yes. I hate the fact that a confirmed townie is getting all the items, I would prefer we gave it all to Red Spy, who isn't active at all.

I feel he won't. If you feel so strongly about Renata, why not vote items to her?

Visorslash in particular has been an individual who has stuck out. Lets just clarify here Visor, there is no reason whatsoever to give items to you, over Backward Logic who is confirmed, irrefutably town unless conversion is a game mechanic, which we have no evidence whatsoever is the case. You on the other hand, are a suspect, and you have in fact been very jittery and jumpy ever since Renata accused you and tried to get you lynched.

Not to mention you are clearly being very vocal about how Renata should be lynched and maximum bets should be placed on her and you've done nothing but try to incite public opinion further before committing yourself physically (place bet)

In Post #1245:


Fine. If I ain't dead this night round, I'll vote 60 on Renata. Ya happy?

Following up with it, saying how you would use all your credits if you survived to vote Renata


To do list:

Revive Beskar and Kage

Bet all credits on Renata.

(If I don't die. If I do, I have sent instructions to people I trust).

Also, can I ask whether I can post PM's from other people in the thread and in other PM's?

And over here in post 1509 you have survived and clearly do not follow up on your previous big talk, and instead say that if Renata's response is a lame return telling you to go look for the post yourself you will vote on her, which does not tally whatsoever with your supposed utter belief that she is scum. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134731-Askthepizzaguy-Mafia-II-The-Revengening-Game-Thread&p=2053312079&viewfull=1#post2053312079)

You would have voted for her the moment dawn broke in your first post if you had such a vehement and unwavering belief in Renata being scummy. But instead you are still waiting to see if public opinion is against her before making a committed stand yourself because you know that backing off from it will have consequences.

Basically Visorslash despite believing that Renata is scum to the point where he said last phase that he will vote for her this phase, has done absolutely nothing about it except make more threats that run contrary to his declaration of his intentions last night phase

Greyblades:
I don't really have much to add over here in addition to what's in public already, plus he's already a contender for the lynch so everyone can see what he flips anyway.

However, he hasn't been really constructive: posts such as:


My, my. Thats two lurkers crawling out of the woodwork to defend reneta, both with a fair amount of credits to throw around if I were to judge. If reneta does turn out to be scum we wont have a problem figuring out her partners.
Raise: 20 credits on reneta


Actually they dont cost money, the cash only increases the success rate, go read the rules again then come back and tell the class what you learned.

My roleblocking:
Night 1 noone - not paying attention to game, had bigger fish to fry in another.
night 2 blackadder succeeded
Night 3 fluffy failed
night 4 you, failed
Night 5 Subotan failed
Pity I only started to suspect you properly after pizza said he wouldnt take any more orders on night 5.

With phrases such as "go come back and tell the class what you've learned" and more, its frankly obvious that he's just trying to survive, how? By pushing all the suspicion onto his accuser, who happens to also be the other contender for the lynch, its precisely what Visor was doing, and both of them are acting scummily

This isn't scum hunting, this is discrediting your accuser and trying to deflect attention. And that goes for Visorslash as well.

As for why I believe Renata is likely innocent? Whatever your accusations of Renata, you just need to ask yourself one simple question, do you think that Renata and hypothetical scumbuddy Seon would be so painfully obviously trying to seem in cahoots in round 1? It defies everything sane, Renata plays mafia to try and win it, not screw herself over round 1

As has been said already, Kage's dead finger of vengeance is nothing but based on a gut feeling and its only credit is that its made by someone who definitely isn't Chaotic, which doesn't go very far in making it correct.

Whatever the case, it may be a meta reason, but its a very compelling one and one of the things that make me think that Renata isn't guilty.

I would really want Visor to be lynched today, but dividing the votes up even more is a horrible idea.

Bet: 25 Credits on Greyblades

Vote:
10% bus driver chance. [MOBILE HOLOGRAM EMITTER] to Shlin

10% investigatory chance + Faction scanning. [RABBITY THE RABBIT]
10% bulletproof chance. [UTILITY FLASHLIGHT]
60% Override (Allows kill through protection) [TRIFORCE]
10% vigilante kill chance. [SILENCED HANDGUN]
10% retaliatory kill chance. [OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE]

To Backwards Logic

Tally:
Renata: 151(Chaotix 1, DE 60, Greyblades 50, Khaan 40)
Diamondeye: 10(BL 10)
Greyblades: 130(Renata 10, shlin 5, Romanic 60, dcmort93 30, DiY 25)
Khaan(Myth replacement): 10(GE 10)

[Greyblades]

With phrases such as "go come back and tell the class what you've learned" and more, its frankly obvious that he's just trying to survive, how? By pushing all the suspicion onto his accuser, who happens to also be the other contender for the lynch, its precisely what Visor was doing, and both of them are acting scummily
Yes you caught me I've been doing anything to stay alive the entire game and have been hiding by... oh wait I havent been hiding it. Old news guy. And realy mate if I wanted to stay alive and not get scum do you realy think I would have started this whole debuckle? I could have just kept my mouth shut and let the town pass me by.

Yeah I know WIFOM but still.


As for why I believe Renata is likely innocent? Whatever your accusations of Renata, you just need to ask yourself one simple question, do you think that Renata and hypothetical scumbuddy Seon would be so painfully obviously trying to seem in cahoots in round 1? It defies everything sane, Renata plays mafia to try and win it, not screw herself over round 1
1) Because it could be a great way to become a wifom should one of them die as you have so demonstrated
2) That would only be a good argument if she had actually been obvious "Seon's too cool to die" might be a a realy obvious scumtell elsewhere but if you havent noticed in these games stupid and or nonsensical justifications for random votes and metagame biases for specific players are common especially in the early game and are realy easy to gloss over or ignore, heck its what fluffy lives for.

[Romanic]

Would you trust it if I did?
Sure I would. Why wouldn't I?

I've said it many times now that I got a Town feel from Renata, from her overall play so far in the game, but it's not inconceivable that she fooled me. I would act on any strong lead, and you'd probably be next if it turned out wrong. You know the drill.

Now don't dodge the question a 2nd time. Are you actually saying that you have evidence against Renata?


I'll be back later, I've got to get something to eat(!) - how much remains of the phase?

17 hours, I think.




unvote [MOBILE HOLOGRAM EMITTER]

Vote: [MOBILE HOLOGRAM EMITTER] to Shlin

[naut]

OK I must have missed something, how is killing psychonaut supposed to help us?
Not wanting to kill me makes me think you should go. Only Maf have a vested interest in the tactics of who should stay and go. I'm no use to the town. I'm just another body for the meat-grinder. Maf would want to keep me round to be a potential kill/meat-shield for the final rounds where my inherent scumminess can hide their scent.


Whoops my bad. From my conversation with her today she talked about psycho being scummy (post #1453) and I forgot she has been putting her money on you actually.

I will edit that.
Pro-tip: Renata always thinks I'm scummy.

Bet: 22 credits on Greyblades

[naut]

Ugh. Accidentally edited the above. OCD on speeeling and grahammar sometimes gets the better of me. Bet: 22 credits on Greyblades

[Greyblades]

So I'm scummy because I dont want to kill you over someone I've been suspicious for 2 days.
Raise: 1 credit on reneta

[Romanic]

It's Renata, two "A"s, not Reneta.

[Visor]

You do realise that half my posts are just going with the flow?

[Death is yonder]

1) Because it could be a great way to become a wifom should one of them die as you have so demonstrated

Yet it ended up putting quite a fair bit of flak on Renata at that point of time. And Seon has clearly demonstrated with cases such as MRD and Earthling that he was causing disruptions and just accentuating the tension, its highly WIFOM yes I agree, but Seon's track record with these finger pointing/dead scum accusation that the sufferers of his finger pointing have all largely been confirmed to be town (MRD/Earthling).

Its WIFOM yes, but its only one factor that suggests Renata isn't chaotic.


2) That would only be a good argument if she had actually been obvious "Seon's too cool to die" might be a a realy obvious scumtell elsewhere but if you havent noticed in these games stupid and or nonsensical justifications for random votes and metagame biases for specific players are common especially in the early game and are realy easy to gloss over or ignore, heck its what fluffy lives for.

I'm referring to the literal statement as well as the interactions between them in round one.

Edit: Visor who are you referring to? Your statement seemed out of the blue.

Double Edit: Nevermind, I'm guessing you're referring to me.


You do realise that half my posts are just going with the flow?

So you admit that you personally aren't very inclined towards Renata's guilt other than the fact that others are also clamoring for her head, as well as admitting that you don't actually think she's as scummy as you've been claiming, just that its public opinion?

[naut]

So I'm scummy because I dont want to kill you over someone I've been suspicious for 2 days.
Raise: 1 credit on reneta
A little. You're also hard on (hehehehehehehehe) the defensive. And I don't feel that you actually believe the lie you've weaved that you're suspicious of Renata. If you were you'd be all guns blazing, like a townie "man with no name". By raising by 1, you only want to keep yourself alive, that is your core goal, your goal isn't to, as you claim, go after the suspicious Renata. No my good man, I'm calling your bluff.

Raise: 10 credits (Dear host: on Greyblades, bet from me now 32 for your convenience).

[Greyblades]

I'd ask if you would believe that I was town and had a personal goal of surviving till the end but we know the answer to that.

I voted 1 credit because thats all I have left. All in.

[naut]

I'd ask if you would believe that I was town and had a personal goal of surviving till the end but we know the answer to that.

I voted 1 credit because thats all I have left. All in.

WARNING IF YOU INTEND TO EVER PLAY NEW VEGAS SPOILERS:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7JHwH7aDQ

[Greyblades]

Oh god that vault scared the bejeezus out of me. Still an awesome area though.The logs were pretty chilling.

[Kagemusha]

What I am saying is that if you don't withdraw your votes from Renata, the reviver will have to claim in this thread and vouch for her, so that we don't lose one of the players who's been working with us (and someone we trust).

Why would the reviver have to claim for Renata? Why couldnt a chaotic preserve a reviver in order to kill that person at the end game.Your logic is flawed.

[Kagemusha]

Haters gonna hate.

I ain't rolling with Kage and Beskar asking for Renata's head on platter on a gut feeling. I just want some healthy skepticism on her and apparently that makes me the unbelievable character.

Its not a gut feeling. You simply cant rally behind a person who´s alignment you dont know. Wouldnt that be bit stupid?

[naut]

Oh god that vault scared the bejeezus out of me. Still an awesome area though.
I loved it. So, so, so, delightfully evil, dripping with raw human suspicion, fear, loathing. That delightful blind obedience to the rules, even though inhuman, because they are the rules.

I've always wanted to use it as a basis for a Mafia game, maybe one-day I will. But, back to business, is it okay that we lynch you, maybe? Okay, cheers, thanks, bye.

[Visor]

Damn org destroyed my long post. :(

TO summarise: I am not convinced of either's guilt.

[Kagemusha]

Some of you people start becoming pretty hysteric in your defense of Renata. Why she cant die and if confirmed evil, cant be revived? Then you would really have someone who you can trust and has lot of contacts also. Actually this should not be an issue even for Renata herself, as it should only help her coordinate the town efforts. If you are not willing to die to show that you are evil, then you should definetely without any hesitation be lynched. Undermining lynching of Renata and actively attacking against that solution makes you suspectible being either Chaotic or foolish, so in matter of it might be that we are having a wonderful round for the pro town elements right now.
FOS everyone raising more credit´s to save Renata. We should handle these lynches with minimal use of credits and you are not actually being very cooperative.

[Greyblades]

Actually this should not be an issue even for Renata herself, as it should only help her coordinate the town efforts. If you are not willing to die to show that you are evil, then you should definetely without any hesitation be lynched.
Yeah, Even I gotta say this is utter crap. No townie in any sitation should accept death before it is inevitable.

[Visor]

^^ Agreed.

I always attempt to defend myself.

[Bow-wow-wow]

Bet: 30 credits on Renata

I'm going to be rich.

[Renata]

Durr, Kage, because lynching an obvious innocent when we could be lynching a suspect is a BAD THING. Do you even realize what the lynch situation is, anymore? Do you know why most of the people supporting me aren't betting a lot? Because they're broke. We all expect to be dead sooner than later and so we've been using our money instead of hoarding it like most of the scum must be. Do you even realize what that means for the game in the long run?

I can prove having taken two actions on multiple nights. I don't want to do so, for reasons that will be obvious and then some if I am forced to it, but it's possible. I am not scum; I am doing everything I can and then some to work for a town victory -- give me a freaking chance!

[Renata]

Bet: 30 credits on Renata

I'm going to be rich.

Read the rules, for god's sake.

[Renata]

FOS everyone raising more credit´s to save Renata. We should handle these lynches with minimal use of credits and you are not actually being very cooperative.

Yeah, what have I only been saying for the last couple of days. Talk to those who bet 60, 50, 40 and whatever against me first.

[naut]

Bet: 30 credits on Renata

I'm going to be rich.
Someone. Get this guy a C4 smoothie. REGARDS YOUR FRIENDLY FIREBUG. xD

:tnt:

[Visor]

Someone got a more recent tally? :P

[Renata]

Its not a gut feeling. You simply cant rally behind a person who´s alignment you dont know. Wouldnt that be bit stupid?

You can make an informed choice, though. You know, some of these people who are supporting me don't exactly suck at mafia.

[Diamondeye]

Sure I would. Why wouldn't I?

I've said it many times now that I got a Town feel from Renata, from her overall play so far in the game, but it's not inconceivable that she fooled me. I would act on any strong lead, and you'd probably be next if it turned out wrong. You know the drill.

Now don't dodge the question a 2nd time. Are you actually saying that you have evidence against Renata?

Yes.


17 hours, I think.

That means I probably won't have time to revisit the thread (it ends like 6 AM my time and I'll be asleep) after this and I am on my way out of the door. I am going to leave my bet where it is and hope I've convinced you, Romanic, and whoever the reviver is. Renata should hang. I will be very disappointed if my 60 credits are wasted because someon would rather lynch a runner-up.

Fingers crossed.

[Beskar]

Yeah, what have I only been saying for the last couple of days. Talk to those who bet 60, 50, 40 and whatever against me first.

Why, they will get rich?

Those trying to save Greyblades will get poor.

[Renata]

Yes.

Oh for god's sake, Diamondeye. There is only one possible thing this could be if you are not entirely full of BS, and you are so far up the wrong tree it's not even funny. Why didn't you talk to me? Your credits are gone.

[Beskar]

What I am saying is that if you don't withdraw your votes from Renata, the reviver will have to claim in this thread and vouch for her, so that we don't lose one of the players who's been working with us (and someone we trust).

They would be a fool to vouch for scum.

Let's do it this way, lynch Renata and if she isn't scum, then the reviver can just revive her, right?

Oh wait, that won't happen, will it?

[Beskar]

Oh for god's sake, Diamondeye. There is only one possible thing this could be if you are not entirely full of BS, and you are so far up the wrong tree it's not even funny. Why didn't you talk to me? Your credits are gone.

Because he is so far up the right tree, that talking to you squirming to get out of being lynched would be a waste of his time.

[Renata]

Check out the morning two writeup. Compare the item that Seon is shown as having to the items that Arpeg is now known to have had. Pro-tip: mafia and SKs appear to have multiple items at game start. Town and neutrals only have one. Seon only turned up dead with ONE, because I stole the other.

Somebody come talk to me about where to ditch it; it's a bit of a hot potato.

I also stole Diamondeye's item on night three and mythmonster's last night (which was a 10% vig sword).

And my other ability is that when I do a faction scan I also learn the target's hidden ability. I've used this on a number of people and several are still alive. Night three was God Emperor; between him and Believer (who knew about the faction scans I did but not the hidden ability part) they could verify that I did in fact perform that scan on that night. The theft of course is already verified to have happened. Ergo, I'm not any of the killers from night three (or night one, but my scan from that night, Zack, is dead). I didn't do a scan last night; I spent money on a self-protect out of paranoia, so I can't prove two actions last night, but that should be enough.

See you all in a few hours; I'm depressed.

[Kagemusha]

Durr, Kage, because lynching an obvious innocent when we could be lynching a suspect is a BAD THING. Do you even realize what the lynch situation is, anymore? Do you know why most of the people supporting me aren't betting a lot? Because they're broke. We all expect to be dead sooner than later and so we've been using our money instead of hoarding it like most of the scum must be. Do you even realize what that means for the game in the long run?

I can prove having taken two actions on multiple nights. I don't want to do so, for reasons that will be obvious and then some if I am forced to it, but it's possible. I am not scum; I am doing everything I can and then some to work for a town victory -- give me a freaking chance!

No. Proving innocence of townie network leader is far more important then loosing credits.In game where you can be resurrected, you should not have any fear of lynch unless you are scum. So if you want to get me out of your back, pm your defenders to drop their bets. Die and prove your innocence. If you cant do this.Your death will be no loss to anyone, chaotic.
When you are suggesting that you are in contact with someone who can resurrect, where is the problem? You rather have the town follow you unsure of your alignment, then possibly make a single miss lynch? Are you kidding me?

[Renata]

I want someone who is actually likely to be chaotic to be lynched, Kage. That's not me. Did you even read what I wrote? I stole from the mafia, and there is every chance that if they let me live I will do it again, this time on someone who hasn't done me the disfavor of getting himself killed before I can accuse him. I'm not going to be around to trouble your consciousness much longer, either way.

[Kagemusha]

I want someone who is actually likely to be chaotic to be lynched, Kage. That's not me. Did you even read what I wrote? I stole from the mafia, and there is every chance that if they let me live I will do it again, this time on someone who hasn't done me the disfavor of getting himself killed before I can accuse him. I'm not going to be around to trouble your consciousness much longer, either way.

Nothing you will say about your past actions tell´s anything to me about your alignment. You claim you stole from "mafia" i take you mean from chaotic. How fine and dandy when the dead mafia player or anyone else for that matter can not prove your words.If you are innocent you will be away for a round or two, what is the problem with that? You are prepared to use town credits to save yourself compared to being lynched and becoming more powerful you have ever been before. It just does not add up, thus you are chaotic.

[Death is yonder]

The only problem with that Kage, is the very viability of the revival.

Lets assume that Renata is innocent (hypothetically) and that we lynch her and she flips evil. (For ease I will refer to the reviver as "he")

Renata's supporters and those in her network like GE or others will have lost credits. Looks like pretty big numbers, especially Romanic's 60.

A revive costs 180 credits, nobody has such money by simply waiting around, they would have had to steal to get the money. I'm willing to bet that the reviver has very little credits unless he took a massive gamble on night one and it paid off.

At the very least the Reviver would have spent 25 credits to steal, definitely not 20 because if after this revive then he has no money (190 credits then spend 180 = 10, very very little). I'd estimate that he took a risk and attempted to steal using maybe 35-45 credits, because only then would he have a fairly comfortable supply to start over after the revive to steal again etc.

Yet neither would he have spent over 50 credits on a steal attempt, because risking more than half your money on an early night is crazy.

This means that the reviver, after reviving backwards logic, probably had 30-70 credits, depending on how big a gamble he took.

It is unlikely that he has nursed his money back to a safe 200+ credits, because of all the rampant stealing going around and also the huge risk he would have to take to steal all his credits back by now.

Lets look at more math, reviver has two options:

1) Risk it all and steal big, put almost all your credits to try and steal enough
2) Do it slowly, don't risk all your credits, attempt stealing with maybe 40% of your total credits

Option one is improbable, because its a 50% chance of success only unless his hidden talent is stealing, and certainly not worth risking all your money (which essentially means you are dead).

Option two is likewise improbable, because it means that the reviver would not have enough credits to perform a revive for quite a few rounds past Renata's lynch if she dies. Moreover, you are counting on getting that 50% success every time, which is even more risky.

Very Quick Summary:
Essentially with all the stealing going around, it is really doubtful that anyone has amassed enough credits to try again. Kage is assuming that "oh we have a reviver" but the math suggests that the reviver won't have enough credits to do so unless its the hidden talent, which is probably low percentage anyway and not that reliable.

Any aspirants to become a reviver would also have these same difficulties, and the fact that quite a number of people have been betting high means that his credits likely wouldn't be in such a large supply either (after all ultimately he is also voting for his top suspect, not trying to just skate by and revive)

Its very good and all to think that resurrecting Renata after she is lynched is very easy, but I strongly question its viability.


If you are innocent you will be away for a round or two, what is the problem with that?

Please refer to the above. You might say its hypothetical and all but I really don't think any attempt at purchasing credits for reviving will happen until maybe 3-4 rounds or even more.

I really hope that what I'm saying is clear, if need be I will clarify.

[Beskar]

I want someone who is actually likely to be chaotic to be lynched, Kage.

That's a lie, you purposefully steered the town away from lynching chaotics.

I can easily explain why, but it is against the rules.

[Kagemusha]

DIY ,your problem is completely hypothetical. If you want to get rid of it, just fold and anyone else betting anyone other then Renata should do the same, while those betting for her being guilty could the same time lower their bets to less hazardous levels. The main thing pointing at the chaotic nature of Renata is that while being lynched would clear any doubts concerning her alignment, she insists on living and spending the credits of people connected with her. That is scummy if anything is.

[Ironside]

No. Proving innocence of townie network leader is far more important then loosing credits.In game where you can be resurrected, you should not have any fear of lynch unless you are scum. So if you want to get me out of your back, pm your defenders to drop their bets. Die and prove your innocence. If you cant do this.Your death will be no loss to anyone, chaotic.
When you are suggesting that you are in contact with someone who can resurrect, where is the problem? You rather have the town follow you unsure of your alignment, then possibly make a single miss lynch? Are you kidding me?

40% ressurection chance. From one player. That's not exactly giving certain odds of coming back in the game. Not counting
Besides, owning powerful items that she admitted getting through theft makes you a bit paranoid. Even if I never made another night action throughout the game while alive, my death would not be irrelevant, since the Triforce is out.
And Seon was suspiciously missing one item. Item scans can't be learned and costs 180 for a reson. They would be day 1 breaker if costing less than 100 credits. This is very, very big.



I was not implying that I haven't failed a steal (I haven't succeeded in one!), merely asserting the statement you made that steal attempts only cost if they are succesful. That's how I read your last post.


I wrote it since you seemed not doing anything with your money...


Well I've had four nights (remember, I was absent first night); I've failed two stealing attempts and discovered that I'm not a reviver... I also tried sending in orders to try and discover if I'm bulletproof but apparently that doesn't work unless you're attacked; That's four non-scan-attempt actions; I've been trying to scan every night. Is that satisfactory?


I'm going to count that self-bullet proof action as the action you said was wasted. That makes moeny spent on night actions 0. Null. Noll. Zero. Nada. Zip. This is the first day that you've used more than 10 credits in a bet. So you've been trying to steal money only for hoarding.

Now if you see this with your evil townie eyes, don't you find such behaviour odd? :inquisitive:

As a bonus, faction scan items gives ->

free faction scan plus ten percent chance of additional data.
Yet you said you've done 10% scans in the dark. But using the item means that you should have 4 faction scans, even if you've not been getting any extra information. You also didn't correct me on this, when I said that all your actions can't be accounted for. That's not conclusive, but it's notable as an easy defense.

[Renata]

Nothing you will say about your past actions tell´s anything to me about your alignment. You claim you stole from "mafia" i take you mean from chaotic. How fine and dandy when the dead mafia player or anyone else for that matter can not prove your words.If you are innocent you will be away for a round or two, what is the problem with that? You are prepared to use town credits to save yourself compared to being lynched and becoming more powerful you have ever been before. It just does not add up, thus you are chaotic.

You are being so pig-headed. I stole from Seon! There is a missing item from him that next morning. Where the heck do you think it went, if not to me? And of course I can prove I have it; I have to at this point -- even if I wasn't at risk of lynch already, just revealing it allows a greater possibility it will be stolen back. It's going to someone today, I just don't know who yet.

And the revival is not that easy; DiY doesn't have it exactly right, but it's only a 40% chance each try. It failed last night, and the reviver could die at any time. Getting another one is hard.

[Death is yonder]

Its not hypothetical, its based on very, very likely scenarios. Just a few questions.

1)Would you be willing to spend at almost half your credits in the first few nights?

Very unlikely

2)Having just revived someone which took around 70-80% of your credits, would you proceed to risk it all trying to steal more to replenish and revive another person?

Unlikely, you would take it slow, then slowly increase.

3) What does this mean?

It means that the reviver won't be ready for reviving very soon?

4) Why wouldn't he be ready?

Because there's so much stealing going on, and he's likely placing at least decent bets on those he thinks are scum
--------------------------

In the end Kage, its not a hypothetical problem, its a very, very real problem.

Personally I've failed every single one of my steal attempts, raw statistics suggests that the reviver would fail at least once.

Unless you know someone who is so ballsy that he is going to risk all his credits again and again on something that isn't 100% even going to work, then this is a very real problem inhibiting revival so soon after the Backwards Logic revive.

[Kagemusha]

40% ressurection chance. From one player. That's not exactly giving certain odds of coming back in the game. Not counting
Besides, owning powerful items that she admitted getting through theft makes you a bit paranoid. Even if I never made another night action throughout the game while alive, my death would not be irrelevant, since the Triforce is out.
And Seon was suspiciously missing one item. Item scans can't be learned and costs 180 for a reson. They would be day 1 breaker if costing less than 100 credits. This is very, very big.

40% each round is not bad odds in any way. Besides if, which is huuuge if Renata is innocent.I dont think anyone would have any problems giving her back her items. Also she would be lot more useful for the town, so simply i cant understand why she rejects the idea.

[Death is yonder]

Kage, in essence, I highly doubt the reviver has enough credits (its 180 you know) to perform a revive anytime soon.

And his chance of dying goes up every single night. Its not as easy as you're making it out to be, what I'm simply doing here is imploring you to think before you cast your decision off as non-significant AKA "oh if Renata flips evil we'll just revive her".

[Kagemusha]

Its not hypothetical, its based on very, very likely scenarios. Just a few questions.

1)Would you be willing to spend at almost half your credits in the first few nights?

Very unlikely

2)Having just revived someone which took around 70-80% of your credits, would you proceed to risk it all trying to steal more to replenish and revive another person?

Unlikely, you would take it slow, then slowly increase.

3) What does this mean?

It means that the reviver won't be ready for reviving very soon?

4) Why wouldn't he be ready?

Because there's so much stealing going on, and he's likely placing at least decent bets on those he thinks are scum
--------------------------

In the end Kage, its not a hypothetical problem, its a very, very real problem.

Personally I've failed every single one of my steal attempts, raw statistics suggests that the reviver would fail at least once.

Unless you know someone who is so ballsy that he is going to risk all his credits again and again on something that isn't 100% even going to work, then this is a very real problem inhibiting revival so soon after the Backwards Logic revive.

At the same time the so called townie network has been spending huge amounts of credits without any results, which you are doing again? If you are so sure that Renata is evil. Fold and save her. Same applies to anyone else who is not betting on her.

[Beskar]

You should trust me, DIY. You know me, and you know that I am always right in these situations. *nod*

[Renata]

Ironside, can you explain the DE scan stuff all together in one place? I don't follow.

I'm assuming that the information DE says he has on me is an item scan result he got by chance, finding either his own item, my theft item (which description sounds more aggressive than it is) , or Seon's.

[Death is yonder]

Oh nevermind, I feel silly now.

One successful revive equates to permanent 40% chance every night.

In any case Kage:


I dont think anyone would have any problems giving her back her items.

If people don't even want to give backwards logic the items because they are scum or feeling unhappy at being left out what more Renata?

The scum will just form back scratching teams with people who want to get items.

[Kagemusha]

Oh nevermind, I feel silly now.

One successful revive equates to permanent 40% chance every night.

In any case Kage:



If people don't even want to give backwards logic the items because they are scum or feeling unhappy at being left out what more Renata?

The scum will just form back scratching teams with people who want to get items.

In that case the town needs to get more organized and those who will not cooperate die.As long as the townie effort might just as well be organized by Chaotics, this will not happen.

[Death is yonder]

If you are so sure that Renata is evil. Fold and save her. Same applies to anyone else who is not betting on her.

That isn't saving her. If I'm more certain of Greyblades/Visorslash's guilt, why should I let Renata die? It wastes more town credits overall because there are bound to be mistaken/confused townie on her wagon.

Is this game not about voting who I think is the scummiest?? Not letting those who I think are innocent die first?

[Renata]

That's not true there are no results Kage.

No vig kills have gone through, but there are other things.

[Renata]

unvote all items; vote all to Backwards Logic

No point writing it all out.

[Kagemusha]

That's not true there are no results Kage.

No vig kills have gone through, but there are other things.

And this is yet again hearsay. Not enough, just not enough.Can you please elaborate, why you think it is bad idea for the town to know your alignment?

[Renata]

Hypothetical thing; I don't see it going anywhere today, but I could be restricted from giving new information soon.

Hidden abilities I know of:
-- 10% roleblock
-- 10% defense of others
-- my own ability to get hidden ability info with a faction scan
-- 10% bulletproof
-- 20% lucky (chance to evade roleblock, murder, bus driver)

Tell me what you think about the last one.

[Renata]

And this is yet again hearsay. Not enough, just not enough.Can you please elaborate, why you think it is bad idea for the town to know your alignment?

Just stop, please. It's not a bad idea to "know my alignment"; it's a bad idea to lynch me. I can do more to prove my innocence or at least non-involvement with the chaotics than almost anyone else alive. It wastes some of the effort I have invested into the game. It migth remove me entirely for the long term, depending on how the revivals go; this game is going to be considerably harder to follow dead. It spares the chaotics the effort of killing me, meaning they can kill other valuable players faster. What on earth is *good* about it?

[Kagemusha]

Just stop, please. It's not a bad idea to "know my alignment"; it's a bad idea to lynch me. I can do more to prove my innocence or at least non-involvement with the chaotics than almost anyone else alive. It wastes some of the effort I have invested into the game. It migth remove me entirely for the long term, depending on how the revivals go; this game is going to be considerably harder to follow dead. It spares the chaotics the effort of killing me, meaning they can kill other valuable players faster. What on earth is *good* about it?

The good about it is that if you are chaotic.Your faction will come down grumbling pretty soon also. Your behaviour like i have pointed out is scummy. You should be lynched.That is completely enough. Your points about the serious results concerning your lynchs after several failed lynches is scummy. There is simply too much in your behaviour to let you slip by. If you are indeed evil.Maybe you should start thinking more about damage control then self preservation, which you are not doing. All these things point to your chaotic nature, thus you should go.

[Ironside]

Hypothetical thing; I don't see it going anywhere today, but I could be restricted from giving new information soon.

Hidden abilities I know of:
-- 10% roleblock
-- 10% defense of others
-- my own ability to get hidden ability info with a faction scan
-- 10% bulletproof
-- 20% lucky (chance to evade roleblock, murder, bus driver)

Tell me what you think about the last one.

Either Earthling type of role or scum. Roleblock/activity investigation target.


Ironside, can you explain the DE scan stuff all together in one place? I don't follow.


And thank you for this, I noted something more damning now.



I'll be brief now, but I'll try to elaborate on things later. I've been consciously "noncommital" in the thread to avoid the attention of mafia and vigilante alike... I started with a 10% Faction scanning item, which got stolen but I was voted a new one the same day, so I've been continually firing 10% scans into the dark, also trying to find out my hidden ability.


Says 10% Faction scanning item. Get's this as a response:


Wait, you've been continually firing off 10 % scans, trying to discover your hidden ability and have made a number of failed credit thefts? I count three actions. We only get two. Does not compute.

Notice that autolycus says it as the odds are 10%.


Well I've had four nights (remember, I was absent first night); I've failed two stealing attempts and discovered that I'm not a reviver... I also tried sending in orders to try and discover if I'm bulletproof but apparently that doesn't work unless you're attacked; That's four non-scan-attempt actions; I've been trying to scan every night. Is that satisfactory?

Trying to scan. I thought the item gave a 10% shot for a detective scan and odds for 100% faction scan. Those are merged. He scanned people, not tried to scan them. He might not have been given the 10% scan, but that's an odd formualtion.


Poor play (can be explain by the complicated rules and lack of full info about them)+ no actions that anybody can confirm + hiding something about his night actions.
Here was the comment I found it odd that he missed. It's poorly formualtated from my side, but having 4 faction scans is a sign that you have done the actions you claim. Easy way to disprove my accusation.




This is horribly poor play. If we really talk about faction scans, then 75 credits is enough to get them for free. If talking about detective scans, then there's need of commitment. for 160 credits, you'll get one for free, that get boosted by the item.


Perhaps it's horribly poor play that I don't know how I'd use 75 credits to get factions scans for free, but as I said earlier I even wasted a night action because I didn't know how the rules worked.

Also, a steal attempt costs money even when it fails, afaik.


And here's the big one. I didn't control with ATPG about the faction scanning items before the later post, so I got unsure about it only giving 10% faction scans (thus sucking badly), so I gave both examples on money actions. What does Diamondeye jump on? The free faction scans, that he already got!

Why would he show any interest about something he has and knows that I'm wrong about? "I don't need faction scans, I already got it through my self admitted publically known item that I've used. Take that sucker And you say that I play poorly?"

He also misses another one to correct me later on, while qouting my explaination on how to get a free abillity.

Conclusion. Diamondeye is Chaotic and is using the case on Renata to get out a Chaotic buddy from getting lynched. I can't say for certain that it's Grayblades, but Diamondeye is definitly Chaotic and pulls way too much focus on himself to do it without reason.

[Beskar]

Good Argument, Kage. But I think the situation is worse then that for the evil/mafia. :sad:



Conclusion. Diamondeye is Chaotic and is using the case on Renata to get out a Chaotic buddy from getting lynched. I can't say for certain that it's Grayblades, but Diamondeye is definitly Chaotic and pulls way too much focus on himself to do it without reason.

Anti-mafia forces don't have to be working together, either way, Renata needs to go down now before the evil/mafia faction is completely decimated. All the vigs attacks on certain townies have been intentional ploy by Renata, also Renata has also visibly changed lynches away from Chaotics onto random townies.

Everyone thought Seon and Renata were working together, perhaps it is far closer to the truth then you realise.

Everyone should trust me on this, because it will demonstrate to you why I should be revived, because I will make you evil/mafia far more powerful than you can ever imagine and turn this game around against the anti-mafia which are entrenched in your networks.

Be brave and fight the power!

[Ironside]

All the vigs attacks on certain townies have been intentional ploy by Renata, also Renata has also visibly changed lynches away from Chaotics onto random townies.


... She has been trying to change the lynch from Earling (innocent), Autolycus (innocent), herself (well obviously).

You are aware that you can accuse and name these other Chaotics, just not on any grounds mentioned outside this thread? :inquisitive:

You know, actual cases are good.

Renata needs to die just because you say so. This is more important than going after one Chaotic making a big mistake and breaking cover to daylynch someone, which in turn is a big sign of another Chaotic getting under severe heat.

[Renata]

Ironside, that 20% lucky result is Diamondeyes'. I got it on night two before I knew enough to notice the pattern of all others being so much weaker, would probably have forgotten about it if not for his accusation.

Lynch Diamondeyes.

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

Don't split the vote; it's not necessarily about Greyblades. It could be about the item Istole.

I had a family thing come up and only have a minute, back this evening.

[Renata]

fold; bet 10 DE

No time!

[Beskar]

You are aware that you can accuse and name these other Chaotics, just not on any grounds mentioned outside this thread? :inquisitive:


Disallowed by the rules, because it is using non-public knowledge. (yes, I checked with Pizza)

On the otherhand, I already said about Renata before I died, so I can freely accuse her, just not go into details I haven't revealed in thread or is not public.

For example, I publicly revealed investigating Renata, therefore, I can say I have done. I just didn't reveal the results of it so I can't go indepth over them. I didn't reveal at the time as there is no point in doing so, I was afterall, a neutral.

I also posted being in a quicktopic with chaotics and I knew their identities pre-death, which I said Renata was also apart of. That night, I got killed by the anti-mafia. Start putting it together.. the reason for my non-neutral is that I want to live, and as the game title says, I want my "Revengening".


I investigated Renata on night two and found out she is a choatic! I used a quicktopic and attempt to question her saying I was a neutral in order to win over her trust, and it worked and she revealed who the scum were!

Good game, Renata.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wir45gHgQPKk9 (http://nyan.cat/)

As it said in my death "You will pay the price for your betrayal".

If you want to wipe out the anti-mafia... revive me.


ps: I am highly intelligent. You read that post and thought it was a joke. I wrote it as a joke in order to publicly reveal things pre-death. Out-witting people.

ps2: this is why I kept saying not to follow Renata.

[Greyblades]

Why do I have the sinking feeling I've made an irreversable mistake...

[autolycus]

Kill the Diamondeye!!

[Kagemusha]

It wouldnt be first time Beskar has infiltrated the enemy faction. I believe you.:yes:

[naut]

TOO. MUCH. WIFOM.

Fold

[Romanic]

I'm perplexed.

fold

Going to work, will be back very close to the deadline.

If DE has proof against Renata, I'm willing to see how it pans out.

[Beskar]

It wouldnt be first time Beskar has infiltrated the enemy faction. I believe you.:yes:

and because of that, I am willing to revive you and make you my partner in crime. I need some one who can see through the fog.

[Ironside]

TOO. MUCH. WIFOM.

Fold

Short version. Remember me being right about Chaotix in the Star Wars mafia? This case on Diamondeye is stronger.

He admits to hoarding money for no reason and he takes an insult about his playstyle that he easily could smugishly counter back, if he actually did what he claimed he did.

Edit: And Renata's case about very strong secret abillities is quite strong in itself, depending if you trust Renata on this issue or not. I do.

Oh Beskar, what do you say, that we kill Diamondeye before Renata?

[Beskar]

Oh Beskar, what do you say, that we kill Diamondeye before Renata?

Nope, more sensible would be to kill Renata who is known scum (get lots of money), revive me, we then lynch my killer (for even more money), I investigate Diamondeye and revive Kage while I get protected and I will organize blocks on the known scum I know of.

Then if DE is scum, I will publicly out him, if not, I will do the lynch of the other chaotic I know the identity of. (who doesn't know that I know)

That would be the smart move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Get lots of money"....

Even successful lynches only get you the money you already have. It's not a form of income.

[shlin28]

Not really willing to fold when it would just expose Renata further.... even if the case on DE seems solid and how annoying the current situation is. :no:

Also, some item votes that I should have posted yesterday...

Vote:


10% investigatory chance + Faction scanning. [RABBITY THE RABBIT]
10% bulletproof chance. [UTILITY FLASHLIGHT]
60% Override (Allows kill through protection) [TRIFORCE]
10% vigilante kill chance. [SILENCED HANDGUN]
10% retaliatory kill chance. [OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE]

To Backwards Logic

(I voted the bus driver item to myself previously)

Edit: lol at Beskar & Co's mistaken views on lynching rules :laugh4:

[Beskar]

"Get lots of money"....

Even successful lynches only get you the money you already have. It's not a form of income.

Oh.. I thought you got a return on successfully lynching scum.

[Ironside]

Nope, more sensible would be to kill Renata who is known scum (get lots of money), revive me, we then lynch my killer (for even more money), I investigate Diamondeye and revive Kage while I get protected and I will organize blocks on the known scum I know of.

Then if DE is scum, I will publicly out him, if not, I will do the lynch of the other chaotic I know the identity of. (who doesn't know that I know)

That would be the smart move.

And now you know 3 scum, instead of the two you said before. And your superinvestigative powers will suurely prove that DE is guilty. Thank you for pretty much proving that you're messing around in a pro-chaotic matter for the fun of it. I'm not sure why Kage joined you, but I guess that he's in for the fun as well.

Besides, that hypothetical third scum already fears that you know and you can be ressurected again if needed, so there's no need for you to not tell his identity as soon as you get ressurected.


Oh.. I thought you got a return on successfully lynching scum.

Suure you did.

[Greyblades]

I honestly didn't expect this. As much as I dont like admitting I'm wrong I no longer think Reneta is scum or at least DIY finally got it hammered into my head. Sorry I cant do more than this.
Fold, Bet 51 on DE.

[Visor]

You owe me, Renata. :P

Bet: 40 creits on Diamondeye

[Renata]

I can't believe the only guy who's listening to me is the one I was accusing. This is the best lead the town has had all game.

Please lynch DE. 10 credits each should do it. I can't bet any more on him myself; I self-protected last night and have no more credits than that.

Think about what DE said about me and how it conforms to any version of reality you can imagine. He claimed to have information on me obtained through random 10% scans. As far as I understand these could be detective (alignment, role etc) scans or item scans. If he had done a detective scan, why would he not just say so? Why leave it to vague innuendo? There is no reason.

Add to that that I have *proof* that I am not any of the killers.

Add to that that I am in possession of an item I stole from Seon (which, by the way, is the mafia's conversion item, isn't that fun?).

Add to that that Diamondeye has a hidden ability out of all proportion to the others I know of.

Add Ironside's case that Diamondeye is lying about his night actions.

Add that Diamondeye has never spent a red cent more than the bare minimum, to do anything in the entire game.

Add that he has not been playing his usual loosey-goosey self this game, by a long shot.

THINK!

He has an item scan on me, it's the only thing that makes sense. He knows I have Seon's item, or has enough information to extrapolate that I might have it. He can afford me to be lynched as a townie, because he can come out and say *afterwards* what his scan was, and he'll get a pass, because OMG mafia conversion item. And because he never actually said it out loud, he got to rely on my own reluctance to make that information public to help him along. He spends 60 credits, and he guarantees that I'm never stealing anything from mafia, ever again. If he's really lucky, I don't realize I can pass off the item before I die, and it goes up for vote tomorrow. But the mafia don't need it until end game anyway (the item description says it's only active when they're down to their last player), so they have time regardless. The big goal is getting rid of a dangerous player in a plausible way without repercussions to Diamondeye.

Ironside says he was right about Chaotix in Star Wars mafia? I was right about Kagemusha and Husar in VotA. This is the exact same instinct, for both of us. Just listen.

Bet on Diamondeye. Make the scum kill me. It won't take long.

[Beskar]

Very very very bad move. Put it back on Renata.

Not sure what Ironside's game is, but I file it under "very suspicious" in trying to defend Renata who is a known scum and none-Mafia.

[shlin28]

Fold, Bet 10 Credits on DE

This should be interesting...

[Renata]

:) Thanks, Visor. And I do.

[Beskar]

She owes you survival because she is scum. Fold and put maximum on her.

[Visor]

I can't believe the only guy who's listening to me is the one I was accusing. This is the best lead the town has had all game.

I assume that'd be me?


She owes you survival because she is scum. Fold and put maximum on her.

Make me.

[Beskar]

Make me.

Because you are a fool if you don't. (if you are actually evil/mafia)

[Earthling]

I'm down for getting rid of Diamondeye for being a lying scum. Standard reveal everything about your role and actions and obey me forever or die, but I still don't like Greyblades or Rabbit either, Renata seems to have finally fessed up to explaining what she's been up to even if her factional problems don't make me happy.

Bet: 3 credits on Diamondeye

vote: all items to Backwards Logic

[Diamondeye]

Just got back, off to bed in a minute... I could be quoting page up and page down here but I'll just grab Renata's last post...


Think about what DE said about me and how it conforms to any version of reality you can imagine. He claimed to have information on me obtained through random 10% scans. As far as I understand these could be detective (alignment, role etc) scans or item scans. If he had done a detective scan, why would he not just say so? Why leave it to vague innuendo? There is no reason.[QUOTE]

I did not leave it to vague innuendo. I clearly stated that I have proof against you.

Renata is Mace Windu. She's not a role from an ATPG game. She's scum. I need the scanning items for a special ability that reveals true roles... Two of my four scans are dead, but I've got Renata and Beefy scanned. Nothing wrong with Beefy, he's Satanic Teacher Josh Timman.

[QUOTE]Add to that that Diamondeye has a hidden ability out of all proportion to the others I know of.

You could be making that out of whole cloth for all I know. Still, even if I do have that ability, I'd be glad for it, I don't want to die with a truescanning ability.

You are lynching a true prophet, people. BAD IDEA. Why do you think I was staying low?


Add Ironside's case that Diamondeye is lying about his night actions.

Apart from the fact that my "scans" were truescans, I haven't lied about any of it. I'll be waiting to point this out after the game no matter which way this :daisy: swings.


Add that Diamondeye has never spent a red cent more than the bare minimum, to do anything in the entire game.

:daisy:! I have 39 left if my bet on you's out.

[a completely inoffensive name]

What is the friggen tally?

[a completely inoffensive name]

**** it.

Vote: 60 credits Diamondeye

This is not good in the long run either way. If DE is evil, then we gotta spend another day killing Renata. If DE is chaotic, how do we know that she didn't suddenly use DE as a last minute resort to save herself from being exposed by sacrificing one of here partners?

Maybe I will just switch my cred to CR since I spent an hour last night reading his posts.

[Choxorn]

Who wants to bet that both Renata and DE are innocent and this is a complete waste of time?

[Beskar]

Diamondeye is telling the truth, get voting Renata asap, seriously, don't be blinded.


Who wants to bet that both Renata and DE are innocent and this is a complete waste of time?

Well, since Renata is scum, no, it isn't.

[thefluffyone93]

eenie meenie minie moe.....

wait...renata is Mace Windu?

Bet: 15 on Renata

[Renata]

Are you kidding Diamondeye?

Mace Windu IS mafia from an ATPG game. Check the freaking third game post, Sith vs Jedi with Sith as the town, Mace and Yoda as mafia. You are claiming nothing more than a role scan. On me *and* on Beefy. You are lying, that is NOT a true scan of any sort, it's just a plain old role scan, and you are a liar.

[thefluffyone93]

meh.
whatever.
Fold.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ummm when i played the star wars mafia, the sith was the mafia. i remember kage was the evil one or something.

[Chaotix]

Could be she's talking about one of ATPG's mini mafia games. Didn't one of those have a Star Wars theme or something?

[Beskar]

meh.
whatever.
Fold.

Don't fold, she isn't evil mafia.

[Beefy187]

iirc the mafia in the original starwars game was Obiwan and Mace Windu.
I remember because me and Flaxie was mafia and we killed each other :D

[a completely inoffensive name]

Don't fold, she isn't evil mafia.

dude, just give it up for this round. the bandwagon has been done. there are 3 hours left maybe? we will see if renata is legit or not either way.

[Visor]

Anyone got a tally? I want to reduce my bet if possible to reduce the fallout if I'm wrong. :P

[Death is yonder]

Renata is Mace Windu. She's not a role from an ATPG game.

It is, Mace Windu was in a mini mafia game of Jedi versus Sith, where the jedi were the mafia IIRC.

And instantly the whole premise for the case dies

Fold;
Bet 10 Credits on DE

Visor, no need to reduce, lets put it this way.

If you reduce it its easier for someone to raise and put Renata in the lead at the last moment. If you're on this wagon you think that the evidence that DE is scum is pretty compelling and as such, you are going to get credits back. With the tally below, you're only going to reduce by 2 credits.

Tally:
Renata: 131(Chaotix 1, DE 60, Khaan 40, Bow-wow-wow 30
Diamondeye: 134(BL 10, Renata 10, Greyblades 51, Visorslash 40, shlin 10, Earthling 3, DiY 10
Greyblades: 30(dcmort93 30)
Khaan(Myth replacement): 10(GE 10)

[Death is yonder]

Mini Mafia IV
(Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu)

Quoted from ATPG's useful links post.

Mini Mafia IV (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)

Well there's your evidence.

[thefluffyone93]

I know exactly what this situation calls for!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0wEYtmmuFQ

[Visor]

But some people may be betting more than what they have.

So, I will try to help.

Raise: 10 credits (To a total of 50 credits on Diamondeye).

[Backwards Logic]

Raise 50 credits on DE. Someone's bound to be short and I can vouch for her. We've talked a lot in this game and in prior ones and she's not screaming guilty here at all. She should not be killed, especially considering the cost of revivals.

[seireikhaan]

You know, Renata, I could be really petty about the fact that you stole my sword. But you know what, I'll act, just this once, in good faith. Probably going to regret this.
Fold
Bet: Ten Credits on Diamondeye

I WANT MY SWORD BACK.

[Bow-wow-wow]

Read the rules, for god's sake.

Coming from the person who talked when you were "silenced"?

[Bow-wow-wow]

I still think Renata is scum but I can't prove it to anybody and nobody will beleive me anymore since she took all of the attention away from herself. To be honest looking at Renatas' argument vs DEs, Renatas' seems to have a lot more holes in it. People are talking about the faction scan and saying how she can't be mafia but there are a lot of different roles in this game with unique abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody is helping Renata to frame DE and deceiving us all. That is, all but me.

:smartass::smartass::smartass::smartass:

In the mean time I will double down or fold and re-bet or erhh, I'm bad with these poker terms.

Fold, Bet:10 on Renata

[Beskar]

Really really bad move by the evil team... the amount of fail is in epic proportions. Renata is the biggest threat to the evil side winning.

[Skooma Addict]

Bet: 10 credits on Diamondeye

10% bus driver chance. [MOBILE HOLOGRAM EMITTER] To Backwards Logic
10% investigatory chance + Faction scanning. [RABBITY THE RABBIT] To Bow-wow-wow
10% bulletproof chance. [UTILITY FLASHLIGHT Backwords Logic
10% vigilante kill chance. [SILENCED HANDGN] Backwards Logic
10% retaliatory kill chance. [OMEGA VIRUS SAMPLE] Fluffy
60% Override (Allows kill through protection) [TRIFORCE] Backwards Logic

[thefluffyone93]

Why thank you for the item vote, but don't you think we be giving him a bit TOO many items?
Its not like he can use 2 different items at the same time.

[Earthling]

The heck are you talking about Bow-wow-wow? You can prove Renata's scum with all those scan results you've been hiding. That goes for Diamondeye too though, people are failing at reveals, everyone should reveal every faction or identity scan that could possibly lead to a scum at this point.

Also, Renata, you gotta stop lying. Especially since you clearly organized at least one attack on me as well as probably stealing from me, looks more likely given your inside knowledge opportunities and that no other thief has been discovered. Even if Jolt was the one who actually attacked me (though the writeup could match an evil Mace Windu as well) you've been lying the whole time about your selfish factional goals and sending "vigilantes" after people.

I think Renata needs to reveal all the information she knows about her faction and others' night actions at this point though. Also Renata, where in the world did you get the ability to perform a bunch of faction scans and other purchased actions, the "at least two" that you claim and more? Where's that money coming from? Why aren't you revealing the results of the faction scans? Or did you get transferred a scan item too? That's terribly suspicious and extremely indicative of scum, nobody else at all in the game knew transferring items was allowed by the rules, yet you and a select few others have been item transferring the whole time, it seems like something the scum team was doing by default and only later was it realized it was not in the rules for the rest of us to know about.

Fold

And in retrospect it seems you went after Diamondeye solely because he went after you. This is a terrible bandwagon on Diamondeye and everyone knows it, way too many late, max bets, and Renata should stand to answer for that alone but she already wasted credits and built up several bad bandwagons at least two prior days too. BL and others who may be Innocent are killing the townie voting strategy by wasting all these credits, losing 50 or 60 each you guys if Diamondeye is Innocent is far worse than just not betting and letting Renata get the lynch.

[Earthling]

No, Rabbit is still scum, he deserves bet: one credit on Rabbit regardless. For the record or those who didn't read I don't have enough to change the Renata/Diamondeye lynch either way and didn't have a significant effect on the bet before; anyone who can bet 20+ nullifies me anyway.

Backwards Logic, if Diamondeye is not scum, you and I need to have a really long talk, given that I'm actually the other basically proven non-chaotic here. If Renata is interested in helping the town and has led another long lynch today she needs to be willing to put everything in better hands like my own unequivocally.

[Earthling]

Yeah in retrospect this lynch on Diamondeye is so horrible and wasteful of credits and forcing it through after his reveal is terrble. Think guys, BL, Visorslash, you could have just gone on a third candidate like Greyblades again rather than upping Diamondeye into the death zone, you're already betting 50 each and that could have put Greyblades on top above Renata or DE. And I'd really like to know if ANYBODY was coordinating a planned swing of the lynch in advance - why couldn't we have steered the lynch on Rabbit or Greyblades still instead of this swing onto Diamondeye? There's no case on Diamondeye, the only case is that he went against Renata, it's mythmonster all over again, we have no reason to trust Renata yet people should die for not obeying Renata.

Why, out of everyone I should have good reason to antagonize Diamondeye as he lurked, kept making snide comments and jokes about previous games or taunting me and not doing anything on his own but it all adds up with his own story. We have to avoid late lynches like this again. Though then again, one thing about Diamondeye, he is getting what he deserves, because if he is a stinking true scanner he should have stopped trying to insult me and actually scan me, the invincible Innocent, on like Day Two and we could have teamed up, so that's what he gets for bad strategy and gameplay.

[Visor]

C'mon guys, give me something to go for here. Tell me why I shouldn't vote you. I'm stumped.

Sent this to Renata and Greyblades last night. (RL).

Really think there is a swing?

[Earthling]

Yeah the swing makes no real sense, especially what happened at the end here. Raising credits on Diamondeye after he revealed significant info about scans - at the very least Diamondeye would have to have an innate detective scan ability by now even if he was just spending credits, not an additional ability on top of that, is insane. Diamondeye revealed significant info about himself/his role that adds up with what he's done before - again Renata has no real info or case on him besides that DE was lurkery and went after Renata himself - and pretty much cancels any good reason for seriously accusing him. He wasn't going to be around to defend himself and nor would someone like Beefy in all likelihood to prove Diamondeye's claim was legit. Yet you and BL, after Diamondeye revealed, are still in this lynch for huge amounts of credits. You could be town, BL IS town after all, but it's a very poor move, if Diamondeye is also evil this is a devastating failure. 100 credits at least could be saved and Renata's lynch is not any more loss to the town if she is Innocent. Or someone like Greyblades could still be put in the lead. I'd be in for all 10 of my credits if we could get enough unvotes and onto Greyblades.

[Visor]

Fold; Bet: 15 credits on Diamondeye

Not convinced of Greyblades or Renata's guilt anymore.

[Earthling]

Tell me that's not enough that Diamondeye just barely gets lynched but you aren't spending more of your own credits? Not sure we have a trustable/latest tally, but really? You just can't do that, or then again, anyone who's here, decide now. If you're going for Diamondeye put your full 50 credits back on him, otherwise you are attempting to waste the credits of Backwards Logic or ACIN or someone else as your backup plan but not lose your own credits. I'd prefer Renata at this point but I only have 10 credits total and couldn't decide it either way when someone like you could swing it.

[thefluffyone93]

Time to go to bed.
Bet: 27 on Renata

[Romanic]

Wow, interesting day, too bad I missed it.

Considering the tally I have, I won't be voting, it's useless.

[Visor]

Roman, what?

There is still time, you do realise?

Raise: 30 credits on Diamondeye. (To a total of 45)

[Romanic]

226 Diamondeye (Renata 10, Greyblades 51, shlin 10, acin 60, DIY 10, BL 50, khaan 10, Skooma 10, Visor 15)
98 Renata (Chaotix 1, DE 60, Bow-wow-wow 10, Fluffy 27)
30 Greyblades (dcmort 30)
5 Yaseikhaan (GE 5)

is what I have.

[Visor]

Oh good. :D

Fold; Bet: 5 credits on Diamondeye

[Romanic]

Roman, what?

There is still time, you do realise?

Raise: 30 credits on Diamondeye. (To a total of 45)

The usual deadline is 1 AM eastern time (that's five minutes ago). Is there really time?

You're raising on DE? He's as good as dead.

Unfortunately I don't believe DE is scum. If I read the thread right, he thought Renata was guilty for being Mace Windy, who was never mafia in any of ATPG's games, but he was wrong (confirmed by DIY, I think, but I didn't check his link yet).

[thefluffyone93]

D'oh......
screw it, I'll stick to not voting, try to save some cash.
Looks like you don't need another vote any way.
Fold.

Edit.
GAR, NOW I BE CONFUSED.
IS OR IS NOT THE DAY OVER?

[Visor]

The usual deadline is 1 AM eastern time (that's five minutes ago). Is there really time?

You're raising on DE? He's as good as dead.

Unfortunately I don't believe DE is scum. If I read the thread right, he thought Renata was guilty for being Mace Windy, who was never mafia in any of ATPG's games, but he was wrong (confirmed by DIY, I think, but I didn't check his link yet).

ATPG has to say voting is closed for voting to be closed. ;)

And I just folded and now betted 5 credits. :P

DiY is right. Mace Windu was a scum in Mini Mafia IV.

DE is what I'm going for right now.

[Visor]

Day ain't over till ATPG says voting closed, isn't it?

[Romanic]

ATPG has to say voting is closed for voting to be closed. ;)

And I just folded and now betted 5 credits. :P

DiY is right. Mace Windu was a scum in Mini Mafia IV.

DE is what I'm going for right now.

DE made a mistake. He wouldn't accuse Renata with a bad argument if he wasn't Town, otherwise, way to get into the spotlights foolishly. Besides, why would he be doing it? Renata's arguments are not convincing (that he's trying to get the convertion item etc..). If one of these two is scum, it's Renata, sadly.

ATPG doesn't have to say the votes are over, to be over. You might try to place a vote, but I think it's done. Standard 1 AM deadline will apply.

[Visor]

So how many credits did I lose this time. :(

Is it the 1am deadline or is it the 48 hour deadline?

[Choxorn]

Really really bad move by the evil team... the amount of fail is in epic proportions. Renata is the biggest threat to the evil side winning.

Cool story bro.

[Jolt]

So how many credits did I lose this time. :(

Is it the 1am deadline or is it the 48 hour deadline?

Why did DiamondEye wait so long to reveal incriminatory evidence of Renata? Sorry, but that just smells scummy. Since he's gonna die, it's a pity Greyblades isn't going now. But I hope he is taken out in this coming night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Roman, what?

There is still time, you do realise?

Raise: 30 credits on Diamondeye. (To a total of 45)

This bet was late, as are all other bets after this post. Round ended at 0100 my time.

[Visor]

So I am only betting 15? HELL YEAH! :P

[Believer]

I'm sorry I've been inactive.
This has been due to RL health reasons which I won't go into detail here.

I apologize to everyone who has suffered from this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I trust you guys and confirmed with people about the tally. Will begin writeup immediately.

[Backwards Logic]

Why did DiamondEye wait so long to reveal incriminatory evidence of Renata? Sorry, but that just smells scummy. Since he's gonna die, it's a pity Greyblades isn't going now. But I hope he is taken out in this coming night.

^This

Had DE come to anyone sooner with this info, then I could buy it. Once he was under considerable pressure, that's when he went forth with the scan reveal. If he thought it was true evidence of a Chaotic, why wait? I'm sorry, but it's day five. Considering DE as a player, if he hasn't found one person to actually act as his proxy to reveal the results then there's no way I can believe the validity of his claim now. The case on Renata is, what exactly? Oh wait, it's fueled by Beskar, the neutral who can win on any side (and Kage, the guy who's just mad at Renata...). Anything that comes out of a neutral's mouth should be taken with a grain of salt, as quite frankly it's self-serving. Asking to be revived while simultaneously killing the one publicly organizing the townie brigade is the pinnacle of self-serving. Saying she can be revived 'easily' if found innocent is just naive of the mechanics of reviving... I'm sorry, but I won't believe an opinion that comes out of any neutral's mouth as I can never be 100% certain it's a pro-town statement.

And Visorslash, once again: You mind telling me WHY you said you 'knew' Autolycus was innocent? Or am I going to have to beat it out of you?

[Visor]

I already told everyone. But for the sake of me not having to win that fight [;)], I roleblocked Autolycus. There was no change in amount of kills from what I can remember, so I knew he was innocent when my roleblock suceeded and I skimmed the writeup.

[Romanic]

I already told everyone. But for the sake of me not having to win that fight [;)], I roleblocked Autolycus. There was no change in amount of kills from what I can remember, so I knew he was innocent when my roleblock suceeded and I skimmed the writeup.

Which night was that? [apologies if you told that already]

[a completely inoffensive name]

Guys, since the write up is coming soon I just wanted to throw this out here:

1. If DE is evil are we gonna use up another day just going after Renata?
2. If DE is chaotic are we going to trust Renata completely?
3. If we trust Renata with her decisions, are we going to kill Greyblades next time?

I have stupid uni work just for tomorrow that I need to do. So I might not be following the conversation this next night phase.

[Visor]

Night before Auto died. Night three I believe.

Actually, my PM's says night four.

[Backwards Logic]

I already told everyone. But for the sake of me not having to win that fight [;)], I roleblocked Autolycus. There was no change in amount of kills from what I can remember, so I knew he was innocent when my roleblock suceeded and I skimmed the writeup.

Thanks. Appreciate the answer.

[Romanic]

Night before Auto died. Night three I believe.

Actually, my PM's says night four.

Auto died on N5, so that would be N4.

Edit: :laugh4: you cross-edited. Okay N4. thanks.

[Visor]

No worries. Unfortunately, that is the only one of my roleblocks to suceed. :( Otherwise I would have more info for you.

Yeah, I have a bad memory Roman. :P It was night four.

[Earthling]

Guys, since the write up is coming soon I just wanted to throw this out here:

1. If DE is evil are we gonna use up another day just going after Renata?
2. If DE is chaotic are we going to trust Renata completely?
3. If we trust Renata with her decisions, are we going to kill Greyblades next time?


Well Diamondeye wasn't exactly diligent with his oath of fealty. I say I take Renata as my next vassal and she can continue to call me "liege" or "Lord Earthling" and the like. (my answers - if Diamondeye scum, follow up with whatever, Renata is in the clear. If he's not scum, Renata needs to be stripped of all power and information but I still think she could be a very mistaken townie, not the first time. We'll see soon anyway though)

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY SIX




I am the shadow, and the smoke in your eyes
I am the ghost, that hides in the night

Boom-lay boom-lay, boom! (repeat)

Wait, wait a minute take a step back,
Gotta think twice before you react.
So stay, stay a little while cause a promise
Not kept is the road to exile
Hey, what's the circumstance
You'll never be great without taking a chance
So, wait you waited too long
Had your hands in your pocket
When you should've been gone.

(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
One push is all you need
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
A fist-first philosophy
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
We watch with wounded eyes.
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
So I hope you recognize.

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness, so long to the regrets
And now I see the world through diamond eyes

Damn, damn it all down
Took one to the chest without even a sound
so, what, what do you want
The things you love or the people you hurt
Hey, it's like deja vu suicidal maniac with nothing to lose
So wait, it's the exception to the rule
Everyone of us is expendable

(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
One push is all you need
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
This is philosophy.
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
We watch with wounded eyes.
(Boom-lay boom-lay boom)
So I hope you recognize.

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness,
So long to the regrets
And now I know that I'm alive

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness so long to the regrets
And now I see the world through
Diamond Eyes

Every night of my life I watch angels fall from the sky
Every time that the sun still sets
I pray they don't take mine

I'm on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness so long to regrets

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness so long to the regrets
And now I know that I'm alive

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
I say goodbye to my weakness, so long to the regrets
And now I see the world through diamond eyes

Out on the front line, don't worry I'll be fine
The story is just beginning
(The story is just beginning)
I say goodbye to my weakness,
So long to the regrets
And now i see the world through
Diamond eyes

-- Shinedown






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The Angelic One called everyone to meet at the center of the city. There was a war going on between the criminals, who had openly accused one another of being worse than evil.... insanely evil.... two candidates were named as possible murderous lunatics, and for a time, the lead candidate was Renata.


Renata: "This is unacceptable. I can prove I haven't been murdering! Open your eyes, or are they full of diamonds?"


Diamondeye: "You're full of it, Renata, I can prove that you are not one of us! And to prove it, I'll talk about how you're not even evil, you're some goody-goody Jedi! Look, everyone, there's a traitor in our midst!"


Angelic One: "Night falls. I need a decision before we can proceed."


Renata: "I'm fed up with you. No one could possibly be so mistaken and still be telling the truth."


By lifting her hands, Renata hurled Diamondeye across the street. She quickly ignited her lightsaber, and stood facing off against Diamondeye, with a badass grimace on her face. Diamondeye crawled to his feet, and began to speak.


Diamondeye: "I am afraid it is you who are mistaken... about a great many things. For I am not even Diamondeye.... I am.... White_Eyes!"


Renata: "White_Eyes? Who in the blue heck is that?"


Diamondeye: "Doesn't anyone remember? I was the assassin that infiltrated Askthepizzaguy Manor and stole his SkyNet analysis database! And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling room spirits. Oh, also, Pizzaguy had a chainsaw and stuff."


Renata: "Charming."


Diamondeye: "And now, I will show off my awesome assassin skills, by taking you down, Renata!"


Diamondeye began hurling pots, pans, rubber chickens, and banana peels at Renata, who deftly avoided the projectiles. Renata suspected that Diamondeye would go for his guns and start shooting, but Diamondeye was far too clever for that. Instead, he wielded a plunger and attacked Renata head-on, and began plunging her face.


Diamondeye: "Confess! Confess! You're not one of us, you're one of them, whoever they are!"


Renata: "Get.... off.... of.... me...."


Diamondeye: "No, I won't! In fact, I shall defeat you using only a rubber chicken and a lot of enthusiasm!"



Diamondeye began slapping Renata across the face with it, pinning her down to the ground. It was humiliating.



Renata: "All right, THAT'S ENOUGH! I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHER-LOVING CHICKENS SLAPPING AGAINST MY MOTHER-LOVING FACE!!!"


Using the Force, Renata pushed Diamondeye off of her, and then took out her awesome lightsaber and prepared to finish the White_eyed one.


Diamondeye: "No, please don't! Don't kill me.... please!"


Renata: "I'M GOING TO END THIS, ONCE AND FOR ALL...."


Diamondeye: "No..... no.... no.... YOU WILL DIE!!!!"


In a flash, Diamondeye removed his White_Eyes mask to reveal what he was underneath.... it was too horrible to describe. But it was very furry.




Renata: "What is going on here?"


Diamondeye: "Foolish Jedi... don't you realize who you're messing with? The greatest and most undetectable mafioso of all time. OF ALL TIME!"


Renata rolled out of the way as Diamondeye wielded a shotgun and began blasting the vicious weapon in her direction. Diamondeye stood up, and lit a cigarette and let it dangle off of his grotesque features. His face was twisted into a permanent grin. He wore a dark vest, and sunglasses, and had long.... floppy ears?


Renata: "You're dressed as some kind of.... crazed.... rabbit..... thing!"


Diamondeye: "And now you'll be sleeping with the fishes!"




*BLAM!!! BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!*




Renata jumped out of the way, but her jedi weapon wasn't very proficient at deflecting shotgun blasts. Laser weapons were easier to deflect... these crude weapons were too primitive for her elegant weapon to be of any use.

She tapped into the Force and ran as fast as she could, with the mad rabbit man hopping behind her, laughing as his shotgun blasts nearly hit their mark.


She ran back to the center of the city, where the crowd took cover. Only the Angelic One remained.




Angelic One: "You've disappointed me, Wabbit. I thought you could be something more than a common criminal. I thought you were the best of the best. Instead, you got beaten by a girl."


Diamondeye: "What? She's no match for me. She can't even fight back. I'll blast her to smithereens!"


Angelic One: "Prepare to face your judgment...."


Diamondeye: "Well..... a-that-a-that-a-that's all, folks!"




The Angelic One summoned a figure from beyond this dimension.... a being of style, and grace, and supernaturally perfect dance moves. He summoned.... The Director.



Reenk Roink: "I see my services are needed again. It figures Pizzaguy couldn't write a decent ending for this tale without me. Now, hit the music!"


Suddenly, one of the nearby buildings lit up with a flashing Neon sign, that read "Club 30". It was filled with gorgeous models, actors and actresses, wealthy business moguls, famous politicians, and most importantly, a disco ball and a dance floor.


Reenk Roink: "I challenge you, Diamondeye. If you can dance as well as me, I will let you live. And if not.... well...."


Reenk pointed at the floor near the bathroom of Club 30, which still contained a rotting corpse impaled on spikes.



Diamondeye: "I can dance just as well as anyone! Let's go!"



And the fantastic beat began to play. The familiar music: Michael Jackson. And Diamondeye began performing for the crowd, showing off his astounding moves. He spun and he flipped, he popped and he locked. He even did the electric slide. And the crowd was mightily impressed. They cheered for him.


Diamondeye: "See? I'm the best dancer around!"



Reenk Roink simply stepped onto the dance floor, wearing a white tuxedo and a stylish fedora. He raised an eyebrow, and all the ladies and 10% of the guys began to swoon. What followed was the most astounding dance moves anyone had ever seen. Some of the moves Reenk performed simply could not have been done by a normal human being. But Reenk was no ordinary human being.

His dancing literally set the floor on fire. Diamondeye could only watch with jaw agape as the furious dancing of Reenk Roink filled the room with burning intensity. The ladies began showering Reenk with bras and panties, roses, and jewelry. Diamondeye was too stunned to move, as his clothes caught fire, and began burning his rabbit costume.

Reenk stopped dancing and looked at the burning man in the rabbit suit.


Reenk Roink: "Now, beat it."


Reenk snapped his fingers, and Diamondeye exploded in a shower of flaming rabbit parts. No one was sure exactly how Reenk did that, but everyone just shrugged and said "Reenk is Reenk".


As quickly as he came, Reenk Roink disappeared.... and Club 30 went with him.



Angelic One: "That was impressive. Okay, there are still more of them left. Don't get cocky..."





______________________________




Summary of events:





Diamondeye has been lynched!

Diamondeye was White_Eyes:D, of the Cosa Nostra Faction!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Assassin.png

Diamondeye was CRAZED RABBIT, of CAPO DI TUTTI CAPO III

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/CrazedRabbit.png

Diamondeye was CHAOTIC!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Other/18.png

10 of Spades











Alive Players- (28/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Believer
Bow-wow-wow
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Earthling
Fluffyone
God Emperor
Greyblades
landlubber
Link
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)


Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
Diamondeye- White_Eyes:D/CRAZED RABBIT [CHAOTIC]Cosa Nostra (CAPO DI TUTTI CAPI III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29)) 10 of Spades
-------------Day Six





Begin Night Six



Those who wagered on Diamondeye get their credits returned to them. All other wagers were lost. You didn't wager, you lost 1 credit.

[Visor]

That's great news. :D

[Renata]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg

Yeah, bite me Chaotics. I might've gotten the type of scan wrong, but I got the motive right, didn't I. Mace Windu is a bad :daisy:.

Maybe I can sleep now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdhhQhqi_AE

[a completely inoffensive name]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg

Yeah, bite me Chaotics. I might've gotten the type of scan wrong, but I got the motive right, didn't I. Mace Windu is a bad :daisy:.

Maybe I can sleep now.

Tbh, if it wasn't for Ironside coming in the last 12 hours you wouln't have pushed for this. Greyblades or you would be dead instead.

So I wouldn't be gloating if I were you. Just saying. Props go to Ironside.

[Romanic]

Diamondeye was Chaotic!!!! hahahahhahaha

Renata!!! :sweetheart:

Good job everyone who was part of it.


DE made a mistake. He wouldn't accuse Renata with a bad argument if he wasn't Town, otherwise, way to get into the spotlights foolishly. Besides, why would he be doing it? Renata's arguments are not convincing (that he's trying to get the convertion item etc..). If one of these two is scum, it's Renata, sadly.

*rofl*, this guy sucks at mafia.

[Romanic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg

Yeah, bite me Chaotics. I might've gotten the type of scan wrong, but I got the motive right, didn't I. Mace Windu is a bad :daisy:.

Maybe I can sleep now.

You're up, it's 3 AM. Go to bed! :grin2:

[a completely inoffensive name]

**** I mean I am going to be afk for a day in about 3 hours so I gotta say what I want to say quickly.

Let's not **** each others ***** quite yet guys. Killing DE came out of nowhere and unless we can kill another chaotic quickly, this might just be a fluke.

Renata it seems like has a good group of people underneath her, even if she might be incompetent. So I see no problem now in letting her strut around just as long as she doesn't let it go to her head.

[Earthling]

Greyblades, Rabbit, and Warman still seem killable, but that's the same as always. It would be great if we could get a vig-kill in tonight so we can figure out another lead before tomorrow; whatever Diamondeye said is worth a look but as already pointed out iirc he's been very non-commital in thread the whole time. An attempted save of Greyblades today is a possible good explanation for what happened today though.

As for a general recommendation:

We should all collectively reveal whatever we know of faction scans of South Park Mafia members, and kill whoever is both on the list of South Park Members and already suspicious for whatever reason. South Park has not had a dead scum yet and while the exact split of neutrals/chaotics is probably not perfect, they seem like they should have one. And it can't hurt to have more faction knowledge public at this point.

[Renata]

Tbh, if it wasn't for Ironside coming in the last 12 hours you wouln't have pushed for this. Greyblades or you would be dead instead.

So I wouldn't be gloating if I were you. Just saying. Props go to Ironside.

I'm not gloating exactly, it's more catharsis. I've been getting such crud for so long as having tried to save Seon and all that. You're right. If not for Ironside starting it I would never have gone back to my own information on DE. It was too long buried in the mental files.

[Chaotix]

Greyblades, Rabbit, and Warman still seem killable, but that's the same as always. It would be great if we could get a vig-kill in tonight so we can figure out another lead before tomorrow; whatever Diamondeye said is worth a look but as already pointed out iirc he's been very non-commital in thread the whole time. An attempted save of Greyblades today is a possible good explanation for what happened today though.

As for a general recommendation:

We should all collectively reveal whatever we know of faction scans of South Park Mafia members, and kill whoever is both on the list of South Park Members and already suspicious for whatever reason. South Park has not had a dead scum yet and while the exact split of neutrals/chaotics is probably not perfect, they seem like they should have one. And it can't hurt to have more faction knowledge public at this point.

Sounds like somebody justs wants South Park dead as a victory condition.

Why don't we have a look at your own faction, Earthling? As I recall, there has not been a dead scum or neutral from the Python Mafia, either, Mr. Black Knight.

Additionally, the Evil Mafia are in the same boat.

[Earthling]

A quick and simply lead:


Diamondeye: DE, Visorslash, Renata, Psychonaut, shlin, Believer

There's no particular hurry but this is an open question: why the heck these people voted Diamondeye this item (Day Five)? This is the problem with all info being hidden behind the scenes, even you Renata signed on which made no sense at the time, why was that? Who knew that Diamondeye already claimed he had a faction scanner? Especially when all items should have been going to Backwards Logic, or failing that, someone like me.

And for another thing: I'm really sick of the dead neutrals too. However it's going to continue until we can put worthless factional stuff behind us. Here's what we need - Renata, tell us who the stinkin Space Mafia's enemies are finally, your role which you refused to claim has been made public by Diamondeye anyway now, so we can figure out who may be targeting you because of that. Beefy or mythmonster's replacement or whomever - tell us who the Psycho Mafia's enemies are. Anyone else who wants to share that sort of factional news about their faction, it will also help the town, and my understanding is that sort of information about one's own faction cannot be claimed in private first so has to be claimed publicly, but should still be done.

quick edit for Chaotix - remember, questions that can be answered by someone else bothering to read, should be answered by that method.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still have to do a real tally and count up the item votes.

It would be delightful if someone would do a tally for me, but I will have to do one of my own for double-checking purposes.

I'll have you people know I have a date tonight and I'll not be bothering with this whole game business today. :stare:


:stare: <---- This face means it just got real.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I still have to do a real tally and count up the item votes.

It would be delightful if someone would do a tally for me, but I will have to do one of my own for double-checking purposes.

I'll have you people know I have a date tonight and I'll not be bothering with this whole game business today. :stare:


:stare: <---- This face means it just got real.

If you need a wingman, I will be here.

[Romanic]

This should be the final tally.

236 Diamondeye (Renata 10, Greyblades 51, shlin 10, acin 60, DIY 10, BL 60, khaan 10, Skooma 10, Visor 15)
98 Renata (Chaotix 1, DE 60, Bow-wow-wow 10, Fluffy 27)
30 Greyblades (dcmort 30)
5 Yaseikhaan (GE 5)

My previous tally had a mistake, BL voted 60, not 50.

[Visor]

All items went to BL I believe. Earthling, your approach to this is getting worse. I think we should kill you again, or at least get the gag on you every night.

[Romanic]

Item tallies
(if it wasn't in blue, it's not there).

Mobile Hologram
3 shlin (shlin, DIY, Romanic)
3 BL (Renata, Earthling, Skooma)
2 acin (acin, Greyblades)

Rabbity the Rabbit
5 BL (Romanc, DIY, Renata, shlin, Earthling)
2 robbie (robbie, khaan)
1 DE (DE)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Bow-wow-wow (Skooma)

Utility Flashlight
8 BL ( BL, DE, Romanic, DIY, Renata, shlin, Earthling, Skooma)
2 khaan (khaan, robbie)
1 Greyblades (Greyblades)
1 Visorslash (Visorslash)
1 Beefy (beefy)

Triforce :applause:
12 BL (BL, Greyblades, DE, Renata, khaan, Chaotix, Romanic, DIY, Renata, shlin, Earthling, Skooma)
1 Beefy (Beefy)

Silenced Handgun
6 BL (Romanic, DIY, Renata, shlin, Earthling, Skooma)
3 khaan (khaan, Chaotic, robbie)
1 Beefy (Beefy)

Omega Virus Sample
7 BL (BL, DE, Romanic, DIY, Renata, shlin, Earthling)
2 Chaotix (khaan, Chaotix)
1 Greyblades (Greyblades)
1 Visorslash (Visorslash)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Fluffy (Skooma)

[Ironside]

I feared that Renata would've been lynched instead of DE. Guess I was wrong and it feels soo good :cheerleader:

DE, for you :smg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00PdHIPjaWQ



Guys, since the write up is coming soon I just wanted to throw this out here:

1. If DE is evil are we gonna use up another day just going after Renata?
2. If DE is chaotic are we going to trust Renata completely?
3. If we trust Renata with her decisions, are we going to kill Greyblades next time?

I have stupid uni work just for tomorrow that I need to do. So I might not be following the conversation this next night phase.

2. Pretty much. She can't be Chaotic, unless they were willing to sacrifice her for no reason (DE's vote was a moving in for a kill). And moved the converter from Seon on a premonition about his death (he is missing an item when he died).

3. Well DE decided to be known as Charlie Chaotic for a reason. Since they can nightkill, somebody Renata accused is Chaotic and most likely it's Grayblades. But I'm less certain there than about DE.

It looks that we got their scanner. No match to green eyes and macewing and I'm not surprised if the identities DE gave up is correct. Now, if we kill one of the remaining chaotics and lack track of the converter, then there's risk for them to be converted, but it's not until the endgame.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I appreciate the tallies, Romanic.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It took me two straight hours of reading, but I re-read the entire Capo di Tutti Capo III game. Ah, memories...

[Visor]

It took me two straight hours of reading, but I re-read the entire Capo di Tutti Capo III game. Ah, memories...

I do that with hotseats.

Link?

[Jolt]

Obvious reveal was obvious.

Now Greyblades is next.

[Romanic]

And my other ability is that when I do a faction scan I also learn the target's hidden ability. [...]

Hey! That's handy! I don't know my hidden ability yet!

(I'm saying it in the game thread so we can privately discuss the possibility of you scanning me, heehee).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do that with hotseats.

Link?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119802-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Concluded%29

Fair warning, there are over 3700 posts, and many of those posts are insanely long. If it takes me 2 hours to read something, that means it's about as long as a novel.

[Romanic]

I'm requesting the help of all Town players to help protect Renata and me. If you can perform a "defend other" action with an item, or an ability, even if it's 10%, it would be appreciated if you targeted one of us. :beam:

If you want to perform another type of action: busdrive, roleblock, vigkill or even steal, you can contact me privately to discuss targets.

[johnhughthom]

It took me two straight hours of reading, but I re-read the entire Capo di Tutti Capo III game. Ah, memories...

I reread that and Rubicon recently.

[Diamondeye]

Hee-hee-hee! You have no idea how funny it is, reading all those people defending my innocent. Too bad they were poor :tongue:. Anyway, I'm not done confusing the :daisy: out of everyone!


Really really bad move by the evil team... the amount of fail is in epic proportions. Renata is the biggest threat to the evil side winning.

Beskar's right, here. There are limits to what I can reveal post-mortem (revive, anyone? Romanic?), but there was a reason I came out of the woodworks.

Allow me to quote the rules...


alignment [evil, chaotic, neutral, etc]

Look carefully :stare:.


Diamondeye was Chaotic!!!! hahahahhahaha

:wink: I almost fooled you, didn't I? I giggled to myself when you folded your bet on me. But...


Renata!!! :sweetheart:

I wouldn't be that rejoiceful! You are not out of the peril yet!


*rofl*, this guy sucks at mafia.

:beam: :wink:


I still have to do a real tally and count up the item votes.

It would be delightful if someone would do a tally for me, but I will have to do one of my own for double-checking purposes.

I'll have you people know I have a date tonight and I'll not be bothering with this whole game business today. :stare:

:stare: <---- This face means it just got real.

You also need to update the overview of night/day writeups on the first page!


All items went to BL I believe. Earthling, your approach to this is getting worse. I think we should kill you again, or at least get the gag on you every night.

Finally someone agrees :laugh4: Listen to the man!


I feared that Renata would've been lynched instead of DE. Guess I was wrong and it feels soo good :cheerleader:

DE, for you :smg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00PdHIPjaWQ

I've always had the greatest of respect for your ability, Ironside :bow: There's a reason why I picked you in State of Corruption (hmm, DE as scum scanner... A recurring theme?)


3. Well DE decided to be known as Charlie Chaotic for a reason. Since they can nightkill, somebody Renata accused is Chaotic and most likely it's Grayblades. But I'm less certain there than about DE.

Don't be too sure about the Charlie stuff yet :wink:

[Visor]

Finally someone agrees Listen to the man!
Thanks scumbuddy. Let's hope our Visor busses partner move to look innocent works!

[Diamondeye]

Thanks scumbuddy. Let's hope our Visor busses partner move to look innocent works!

Indeed, wouldn't want the town to catch on to the rest of the team! Keep stealthy :curtain:

[Romanic]

:wink: I almost fooled you, didn't I? I giggled to myself when you folded your bet on me. But...

Yeah, you got me to fold. :furious3: I'm no-nonsense when there's proof against scum, and I figured you would be lynched after Renata if she flipped Evil (and as others said, we can revive her). Couldn't figure why you'd make such a claim if you were scum, and sadly I had to make a quick decision because I had to go to work. Turns out others townies were on the watch. :smug2:

[Visor]

Indeed, wouldn't want the town to catch on to the rest of the team! Keep stealthy :curtain:

Aye Aye, captain!

[Beskar]

You know this doesn't "prove innocence of" Renata who is still anti-mafia right?

I like to remind the people who think "Mace Windu is evil". In the Sith game, the Sith were infiltrated by good guy's (like Mace Windu) who was there to kill off the evil Sith. Mace Windu is now in this game, Mace Windu and same again, he isn't Evil, he would be a "Good Guy".

Yes, Renata is Mace Windu like she admits, yes, she is not evil mafia as she admits, as she said, she is good guy who is out to kill all the evil people, which is the all of you lot.

Damn, you people are so easily fooled.

[Beskar]

The case on Renata is, what exactly? Oh wait, it's fueled by Beskar, the neutral who can win on any side (and Kage, the guy who's just mad at Renata...).

Read the post before this, I think I do know what I am talking about. Unlike others in this thread.

[Jolt]

I reread that and Rubicon recently.

I also reread Rubicon. It makes me giggle all inside. It was an awesome victory.

[Diamondeye]

You know this doesn't "prove innocence of" Renata who is still anti-mafia right?

I like to remind the people who think "Mace Windu is evil". In the Sith game, the Sith were infiltrated by good guy's (like Mace Windu) who was there to kill off the evil Sith. Mace Windu is now in this game, Mace Windu and same again, he isn't Evil, he would be a "Good Guy".

Yes, Renata is Mace Windu like she admits, yes, she is not evil mafia as she admits, as she said, she is good guy who is out to kill all the evil people, which is the all of you lot.

Damn, you people are so easily fooled.

QFT

[Greyblades]

Greyblades, Rabbit, and Warman still seem killable, but that's the same as always. It would be great if we could get a vig-kill in tonight so we can figure out another lead before tomorrow; whatever Diamondeye said is worth a look but as already pointed out iirc he's been very non-commital in thread the whole time. An attempted save of Greyblades today is a possible good explanation for what happened today though.


Except I was winning at that point. If it was to save me then Diamond eye is the dumbest mafia ever... yes I know its tempting to say he is but...

[Jolt]

QFT

Pro-tip: If you want someone other than your colleagues to have Renata murdered (Renata good part of a 2nd Mafia composed of Good guys only for all I know), it's not a good idea for a mafioso to advocate the murder of the person you actually want the town to murder.

[Beskar]

Actually, that isn't what happened Jolt. They were working together until Renata started pulling rank because she was going to get kill off and threw Diamondeye out into the cold in order to feed the evil faction a chaotic, however, Renata is the far larger threat and she grows stronger as people are more likely to believe her now since she backstabbed Diamondeye, and the sheep will continue to follow.

They most likely been working together since the whole "Seon - Renata" connection and I been warning the evil faction not to follow Renata all game because I knew who she was, but as usual, the sheep don't listen to those who know best.

[thefluffyone93]

There are no memes available that could convey my feelings at the moment.

Except for this one.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/awesome.png?t=1305385979

[Chaotix]

It took me two straight hours of reading, but I re-read the entire Capo di Tutti Capo III game. Ah, memories...

That was a fun game, right up to the end.

The one thing about old games, though, is you can never reread the PM conversations (unless you archive them). The triangle between me, you, and splitpersonality was really cool, though, and I'd love to see that again.

[Renata]

That game was my first introduction to the .org -- not playing, but reading along while playing in ATPG's game at CFC. Good times.

[Crazed Rabbit]

"Foolish Jedi... don't you realize who you're messing with? The greatest and most undetectable mafioso of all time. OF ALL TIME!"

:cool:

Even Mace Windu flees me.

...

The multiple levels of myself in this game are very confusing.

Apparently I'm myself, the player.

And another player is playing a character that's me from Capo 3. A character that includes the costumed character that I played in that game - a costume dreamt up by Seamus. And somehow I did not get lynched when there were write-ups of a man dressed as a rabbit killing people.

We need analysis of not just who voted for Diamondeye, but when and in what quantity.

CR

[Earthling]

Visorslash you're a terrible liar and likely scum. Seriously what a failure to deflect attention

I'd like to point out the tally I quite clearly and accurately referred to is the Day FIVE item tally. I'd refer everyone to ATPG's post or just a quick check on the game summary thread which Visorslash can't try to edit or misquote. It's notable that you, Visorslash voted items to Diamondeye all the time in the past yourself, any good explanations?

Now for the really annoying dead liars, here's a little fun fact:

The Innocent (or EVIL MAFIA TEAM) victory condition only requires that me (as I'm one of them, I would know, unlike you dead neutrals) eliminate the chaotics. Neutrals, Serial Killers, other, are not required to be eliminated for our victory. Not only is this crazy case on Renata truly worthless as a distraction but even if it was true, someone like me, a normal Innocent evil guy, would achieve full victory just with eliminating the chaotics, so while that could be premature to the secondary faction victory of wiping out rival factions, still not really important to go for the latter, I'm happy to take down the chaotics at this point.

[Visor]

Visorslash you're a terrible liar and likely scum. Seriously what a failure to deflect attention

I said your approach to this is getting worse because of the South Park comment.


I'd like to point out the tally I quite clearly and accurately referred to is the Day FIVE item tally. I'd refer everyone to ATPG's post or just a quick check on the game summary thread which Visorslash can't try to edit or misquote. It's notable that you, Visorslash voted items to Diamondeye all the time in the past yourself, any good explanations?

I think I only voted items to him one day? I did it because he voted me for things. Simple trading. You should be looking for scum elsewhere.

Actually, show me where I lied please?

[Earthling]

post #1694. People know how to read, you can't fool anyone like that.


Thanks scumbuddy. Let's hope our Visor busses partner move to look innocent works!

and this isn't an unrealistic scenario. You're on the list to role reveal or die as well.

[Diamondeye]

post #1694. People know how to read, you can't fool anyone like that.

and this isn't an unrealistic scenario. You're on the list to role reveal or die as well.

Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it! Visor would never run the risk of being taken seriously if he were my scumbuddy!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Work shift until after 1am guys; that means even though the round will end on the appropriate time, calculating results and posting a writeup will take me longer than usual because none of it will be done in advance.

Bear with me, the worst is over. Less players means less time.

[Chaotix]

Work shift until after 1am guys; that means even though the round will end on the appropriate time, calculating results and posting a writeup will take me longer than usual because none of it will be done in advance.

Bear with me, the worst is over. Less players means less time.

Dude, why the **** do they have you working shifts until 1 AM?

[Jolt]

Dude, why the **** do they have you working shifts until 1 AM?

Usually that is because he really needs the money. :P

[Chaotix]

Oh, if it's voluntary overtime or whatever, then good for ATPG.

I was just thinking there are much more reasonable full-time shifts than after 1 AM.

[Greyblades]

Uh, when did pizza guy become a moderator?

[johnhughthom]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135531-Gameroom-staff-changes

[thefluffyone93]

Uh, when did pizza guy become a moderator?

When you weren't paying attention.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/omg.png?t=1305508111

Oh yes, yes I did.

[Greyblades]

Huh, not even a meme laden image? You're slipping.
Nice editing.

[Romanic]

Here's the Day 6 voting history:

1408 dcmort 20 on Earthling
1409 dcmort fold
1419 Chaotix 1 on Renata -> (Renata 1)
1420 BL 10 on DE -> (DE 10, Renata 1)
1425 DE 60 on Renata -> (Renata 61, DE 10)
1429 Renata 10 on Greyblades -> (Renata 61, DE 10, Grey 10)
1435 GE 5 on khaan
1444 Greyblades 30 on Renata -> (Renata 91, DE 10)
1447 Yaseikhaan 40 on Renata -> (Renata 131, DE 10)
1452 shlin 5 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 15, DE 10)
1455 Romanic 60 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 75, DE 10)
1469 dcmort 30 on Greyblades -> (Renata 131, Grey 105, DE 10)
1470 Greyblades raises 20 on Renata -> (Renata 151, Grey 105, DE 10)
1537 DIY 25 on Greyblades -> (Renata 151, Grey 130, DE 10)
1540 Psychonaut 22 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 151, DE 10)
1542 Greyblades raises 1 on Renata -> (Greyblades 152, Renata 152, DE 10)
1546 Psychonaut raises 10 on Greyblades -> (Greyblades 162, Renata 152, DE 10)
1557 Bow-wow-wow 20 on Renata -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 162, DE 10)
1597 Renata fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 152, DE 20)
1602 Psychonaut fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 120, DE 20)
1603 Romanic fold -> (Renata 182, Greyblades 60, DE 20)
1611 Greyblades fold, & 51 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 71, Greyblades 60)
1612 Visorslash 40 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 111, Greyblades 60)
1615 shlin fold, & 10 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 121, Greyblades 55)
1620 Earthling 3 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 124, Greyblades 55)
1623 acin 60 on DE -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1626 Fluffy 15 on Renata -> (DE 184, Renata 146, Greyblades 55)
1628 Fluffy fold -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)
1635 DIY fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 194, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1638 Visorslash raise 10 on DE -> (DE 204, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1639 BL raise 50 on DE -> (DE 254, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1640 khaan fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 264, Renata 91, Greyblades 30)
1642 Bow-wow-wow remove 20 from Renata -> (DE 264, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1644 Skooma 10 on DE -> (DE 274, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1646 Earthling fold -> (DE 271, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1651 Visorslash remove 35 from DE -> (DE 236, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1653 Fluffy 27 on Renata -> (DE 236, Renata 98, Greyblades 30)

acin looks very non-Chaotic after turning the tide in Renata's favor (#1623)
Greyblades also looks good in my opinion. I don't see him moving 51 credits on Diamondeye if they are partners (#1611). Too gutsy imo.
Visorslash also looks somewhat good for his 40 credits on DE (#1612). Probably not bussing either (but possible, he could have sensed the tide was turning).

Of course Renata looks awesomely non-Chaotic from all this.

Any bet on DE, done after #1623, could be a chaotic teammate bussing him for Town creds, specially those smaller bets (DIY, khaan, Skooma).

There also was a lot of non-voters, and I'm expecting a Chaotic or two in that list, since it would have been difficult for them to place a safe vote, siding with Renata or DE being two dangerous options. Non voters (not including those who unvoted) : Arpeg, Beefy, Believer, Crazed Rabbit, landlubber, Link, Red_Spy, robbiecon, Subotan, Warman, Winston.

You can draw your own conclusions from this voting record, pretty sure it's correct.

[Romanic]

3 hours to go.

Last call if you want to discuss targets for your night actions (send me a PM).

[Renata]

In case I'm dead and never get the chance to make it public: the conversion item I took off Seon has a maximum of two uses, should the chaotics ever get it back. Again, it can only be used when they're down to one player.

[a completely inoffensive name]

In case I'm dead and never get the chance to make it public: the conversion item I took off Seon has a maximum of two uses, should the chaotics ever get it back. Again, it can only be used when they're down to one player.

If you don't mind me asking, ummm how do you know it can only be used when they are down to one player? Is it in the item description?

[Renata]

Yep, I got the whole description. Along with something along the lines of "of course you can't use it, not being Chaotic and all".

Also, it's a 100% item.

[Romanic]

Can we use it ourselves?

Sounds like a stupid question at first but it's not. If we're allowed to use it, and are told the conversion worked, then we would know that there's only one chaotic left, and of course we would lynch the new convert (we'd pick an inactive, or a suspect).

And it would waste the item after two conversions. :smug2:

Not being in possession of this item, I doubt ATPG would answer my question, as it would confirm that the item exists and what his powers are, something that I shouldn't have so Renata can you confirm this with our host? :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

As predicted, I can't nor would I confirm the existence of such an item.

I just got in, will get to work on this immediately. DO NOT wait up, this round will run late and eat into the day phase.


EDIT: Orders/calculations are done. Now I just need to do a writeup and send out the results.

[Visor]

post #1694. People know how to read, you can't fool anyone like that.



and this isn't an unrealistic scenario. You're on the list to role reveal or die as well.

...

...

...

:laugh4:

:logic:

[Greyblades]

As predicted, I can't nor would I confirm the existence of such an item.

I just got in, will get to work on this immediately. DO NOT wait up, this round will run late and eat into the day phase.


EDIT: Orders/calculations are done. Now I just need to do a writeup and send out the results.

I dont suppose we can destroy items?

[Visor]

Doubt it. I hope I'm not dead. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dont suppose we can destroy items?

Certain items are single-use, or something similar.

Most other items are usually indestructible, however, some items will disappear along with their owner....

[Visor]

This is the worst part of mafia. The bit after the night phase but before the writeup you know is coming soon. :P

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

This is the worst part of mafia. The bit after the night phase but before the writeup you know is coming soon. :P

What, the part where you're eagerly waiting to see if your kill attempts went through okay? :inquisitive:

Heh, just kidding.

....:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:

EDIT: Oh and hello again everybody. As Romanic eloquently illustrated, I've been inactive the past day phase due to it being the week before my exams and me not having been to that many lectures the past semester. Sorry, I'll try my best to follow what's going on. It'll sort out after friday at latest.

[Visor]

What, the part where you're eagerly waiting to see if your kill attempts went through okay?

Here's to God Emperor's death! :D

[Visor]

Actually, maybe I should stop the scum jokes. :P

I ordered some self protection, hoping I wasn't attacked actually.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Actually, maybe I should stop the scum jokes. :P.

The bandwagon that would follow GE's death now would be a juggernaut. Just sayin'.

[Visor]

If he dies of course.

If he dies, first I'll be like: What a guess!

Then: Oh wait, I made a joke about him dieing.

Finally: ffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT SIX




Another day in this carnival of souls
Another night settles in as quickly as it goes
The memories are shadows; ink on the page
And I can't seem to find my way home

And it's almost like
Your heaven's trying everything
Your heaven's trying everything
To keep me out

All the places I've been and things I've seen
A million stories that made up a million shattered dreams
The faces of people I'll never see again
And I can't seem to find my way home

Cause it's almost like
Your heaven's trying everything
To break me down
Cause it's almost like
Your heaven's trying everything
To keep me out


-- Five Finger Death Punch






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The dark Necromancer looked at the remains of the fallen Diamondeye, and muttered some arcane words. In a flash, the ashes of Diamondeye were collected in an urn. The Necromancer chanted, and soon, the urn vanished, and was replaced with the unconscious body of a man in a rabbit suit.



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Soon, the fallen Diamondeye rose, proclaiming that he was "late".... indeed, he was late for a "very important date".




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Robbiecon sat in his blue Jaguar XK 120, trying to relax after another difficult day. At least they got one....


Soon enough, Robbiecon was approached on both sides of the vehicle. To the rear of the vehicle stood a smaller figure, and to the front of the vehicle stood the taller one, wearing a mask. The pair did not look at one another, but focused on Robbiecon.

Robbiecon took one look to the back and the front of the vehicle and decided to speed away from there. He floored the gas pedal, and plowed into the taller figure wearing a mask, who sprawled across the hood wielding a ceremonial knife of some kind. As Robbiecon sped through the streets of The Purgatory, he began rolling up the windows and locking his doors. He even tried turning on the windshield wipers to get rid of that pest on the hood, but it was met with little success.

The creep on the hood attempted to stab through the windshield, and was actually able to smash through with its fists. Robbiecon tried desperately to dodge the furious swings of the ceremonial blade, not even noticing that there were a cluster of red turtle shells following closely behind his vehicle.



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With a smash, three of the tires blew out, causing the vehicle to flip completely over.


Robbiecon tried to pull himself from the smoking wreckage, only to find himself peering up at a terrifying presence. The masked figure attacked, stabbing Robbiecon repeatedly in the back, the neck, and the chest, until he was no more.





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The Angelic One shuffled the cards again, and noticed that the Ten of Spades had returned from the pile of ashes.


"Thirty cards remain... now, thirty-one."


The Angelic One held out two more cards, and watched them burn.


"Twenty-nine cards remain.... it is only a matter of time."


Suddenly, the 7 of Spades vanished from the deck.


"Impossible... No one leaves this place alive."








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Death is yonder noticed his name in the writeup, and began slamming his head against the desk. Everyone else continued reading.


He was a dark, imposing figure. None would dare to challenge him. His amber eyes peered out into the night, and he could sense someone approaching. The figure was cold.... and would have been undetectable under normal circumstances, if not for the disturbance the Dark Lord felt in the Force.... it was as if the Force was warning him that death was yonder.

Death is yonder did not feel fear, only hatred. He raised his hands and began channeling dark energies, and started directing the powerful current at his attacker. The figure continued to approach, as if unfazed by this life-sapping energy.

Roaring viciously, Death is yonder unleashed his red lightsaber, and tapped into the Force. He charged the approaching figure, and impaled the being clean through the chest, and stared with hateful eyes at his victim.

The tall, muscular figure was battered and scarred from many previous battles. Indeed, the injuries it had sustained looked at least life-threatening, not to mention the lightsaber embedded in its chest. Instead of collapsing to the ground, the creature flashed Death is yonder a grin, baring its fangs.... and the dark one's confident expression began to wither.

The creature grabbed Death is yonder by the wrists, breaking them both instantly. This creature was far more powerful than an ordinary being.... the creature unfurled its enormous, black wings, and lifted them both off of the ground. Death is yonder struggled with the creature, trying to summon the Force to assist, but he found himself unable to concentrate.

The winged creature tossed Death is yonder into the side of a concrete building, sending him flying through the steel and concrete wall, landing on the floor inside. Death is yonder rolled to a stop, and attempted to get to his feet.

The winged being burst through the ceiling, landing on top of Death is yonder, and it began beating the Dark Lord mercilessly with its spiked mace.

Death is yonder cried out in pain and hatred, and turned to blast the fanged being into oblivion with Force Lightning. The attack blew the spiked mace out of the hands of the powerful being, but the pain and burning, rotting flesh didn't even slow it down. The creature immediately drew two long, shimmering blades, and decapitated Death is yonder with one clean stroke.

The Dark Lord of the Sith was no more.





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The green-eyed being approached once more. This time, he was going to kill.... and nothing was going to stop him.

The tall, powerful figure expected the attack this time, and prepared a magical shield. The green-eyed attacker just laughed, and prepared to cleave right through the shield with its long, impossibly powerful blade.


Suddenly, a familiar flash engulfed the tall, powerful figure once more, and it disappeared. In its place, there was a tiny, tiny creature.


"What? I don't believe it.... not again."


The tiny creature was protected by the magic shield, but seemed otherwise quite defenseless. The green-eyed figure summoned a meteor from the sky, and sent it crashing down upon the tiny creature inside the shimmering sphere of light.

The shield held, miraculously.


"I will destroy you. It is only a matter of time. Your luck is running out."


The Green-eyed figure walked away, seething with anger.





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Renata finished entering all of the items into the SkyNet Analysis Database. The final item had been scanned, and confirmed to be from the South Park Mafia.


"It's done. I have all the evidence I need."


She took the items with her, and approached the tallest building in all of The Purgatory. She opened the doors and went inside, as lightning roared outside, and the rains poured down.


"What is it you think you're doing?"


Renata turned, and saw the Angel.


"Unraveling your plot, of course. You didn't really think we would just sit back and let you take over the galaxy, did you?"


"The Galaxy? Don't you mean, a galaxy? Just one of billions in one of many dimensions? Surely you don't believe I am so small...."


"Of course not. I've learned a lot about you in the time I've been here. Enough to put a stop to your plans, at least in one part of space."


"You believe you can resist ME? Others have tried. All have failed. You're nothing compared to me. You cannot stop me."


"I know the source of your power, and I know how to counter-act it. Using data I've collected from SkyNet, I'm able to create a small containment field around my body which shields me from your influence."


"So.... you're not as stupid as I thought. You see through the illusion. But that is only a fraction of my power. I am all-powerful. I am a GOD."


"Not yet, you aren't. You still rely on the Weapon to give you strength. I can stop you."



Renata ignited her purple lightsaber, and stood in the Vaapad stance.



"Foolish Jedi. These toys are too much for you. Give them all to me, and I may decide to spare your miserable life."



"I don't think so... your rule is at an end. And it wasn't short enough!"



"You had your chance. Now you will face final judgment."



The Angelic One drew a frighteningly long blade, and looked at the Jedi with burning eyes. His long, grey hair partially covered his face. Renata summoned the Force, and moved into action. The Angelic One swung with unmatched speed and ferocity, the blade nearly cleaving the Jedi in half. But Renata was just fast enough to avoid the blow. She swung her lightsaber in retaliation, clipping the Angelic One along one side of his face, and rolled to safety. The Angelic being was surprised by the move, and felt the damage done to its perfect form.


"I hate to grab and go, but I have bigger fish to fry than just you. None of you will be able to take over the universe, if and when you ever escape from this place. We know about you. We will resist you. We know how to stop you."


As fast as she could, Renata ran toward the Super Vague Weapon of Ambiguously Decided Doom, and entered a series of commands into the control panel.


The Angel turned, and looked at Renata, eyes burning with hatred. The being unfurled its enormous white wings and flew toward the Weapon, preparing to cleave Renata in half.


The Weapon activated, and Renata disappeared in a cloud of blue energy.



The Angel screamed with madness...... and in an instant, large sections of The Purgatory were engulfed in hellish flame.





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TOWN VICTORY.


WINNER: RENATA



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10% defender chance. (Purple lightsaber, can be used to defend someone) SPACE MAFIA
80% chance of theft (Blaster, can be used to stun someone and take their things)
10% bulletproof chance. (King Arthur's shield, can protect one from attack. Or is it five?) PYTHON MAFIA
100% conversion chance. (Vampire blood- can only be used twice when all allies are destroyed) DARK FALLS MAFIA / CHAOTIC
10% retaliatory kill chance. (Fireball) EVIL MAFIA
10% bus driver chance. (Advice Dog Meme, can be used to give bad advice to someone) BIZARRO MAFIA
10% investigatory chance. (SkyNet analysis database, can be used to detect scum) COSA NOSTRA
50% silencer chance. (Gag, can be used to silence someone for an entire day phase) SPRINGFIELD MAFIA
10% vigilante kill chance. (Giant psychotic sword of doom) PSYCHOTIC MAFIA
10% roleblock chance. (14 bottles of vegetable oil, can be used to keep someone "busy" all night) SOUTH PARK MAFIA




Items from all Factions collected
Item from Chaotic Team collected
Survival: 1 Point
Team Victory: 5 Points
Faction Goal (unresolved)

Incriminating Evidence against all Factions: Complete

[Good] Alignment Victory.








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Summary of events:




Diamondeye has been revived!





Robbiecon has been murdered!

Robbiecon was Askthepizzaguy, of the Cosa Nostra Faction!

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Robbiecon was Evil!

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King of Diamonds





Death is yonder has been murdered!

Death is yonder was Darth Kojiro, of the Space Mafia Faction!

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Death is yonder was Evil!

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Ace of Diamonds






Renata has escaped, VICTORIOUS!

Renata was Mace Windu, of the Space Mafia Faction!

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Renata was GOOD!

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7 of Spades








Escaped- (VICTORIOUS)

Renata- Mace Windu [Good] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia IV- Star Wars: The Fallen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116976-Mini-Mafia-IV-%28Concluded%29)) 7 of Spades
-------------Night Six


Alive Players- (26/50)

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2 (Replacing Classical_Hero2)
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Believer
Bow-wow-wow
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
dcmort93
Diamondeye
Earthling
Fluffyone
God Emperor
Greyblades
landlubber
Link
Psychonaut
Red_Spy
Romanic
shlin28
Skooma Addict
Subotan
Visorslash
Warman
Winston Hughes (Replacing GamezRule)
Yaseikhaan (Replacing Mythmonster2)

Deceased-

Jeremy Bentham- Jeremy Bentham [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Red Joker
Niccolo Machiavelli- Niccolo Machiavelli [Evil] NPC Mafia (Mini Mafia III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?114819-Mini-Mafia-III-%28Concluded%29)- Philosopher's Mafia) Black Joker
-------------Night Zero
Captain Blackadder- Jerry Seinfeld [Neutral] Bizarro Mafia (Vexing Mafia (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270052)) 2 of Clubs
-------------Day One
TheFlax- Blitzen [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 3 of Spades
classical_hero- The Black Beast of Aarrrghhh [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) Queen of Clubs
Kagemusha- Itchy and Scratchy [Evil] Springfield Mafia (The Full Monty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108584-The-Full-Monty-Simpsons-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Hearts
ByzantineKnight- El Gigante [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) Jack of Clubs
Seon- Alfred Branagh/SCREWTAPE [CHAOTIC] Dark Falls Mafia (THE SHADOW FORT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded)) 8 of Clubs
B_ray- The Killer Rabbit [Evil] Python Mafia (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=333982)) King of Clubs
-------------Night One
YLC- Hammer Brother [Evil] Evil Mafia (MarioKart Madness (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541)) 7 of Clubs
-------------Day Two
Diana Abnoba- Andross Oikonny [Evil] Evil Mafia (Star Fox- Lylat Wars (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128793-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-%28Story-and-information-thread%29)) 3 of Diamonds
Csargo- Porcupiney the Porcupine [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park- Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) Ace of Hearts
ArpeggiateTHIS- Sideshow Bob/GANONDORF [SERIAL KILLER] Springfield Mafia (ZELDA- WAR IN HYRULE (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005)) 10 of Clubs
-------------Night Two
civplayah- Professor Farnsworth [Evil] Springfield Mafia (Futurama Drama Mafiama (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?107859-Futurama-Drama-Mafiama-%28Concluded%29)) 9 of Hearts
-------------Day Three
choxorn- Satanic Choir Director James Marshall [Evil] Psychotic Mafia (The Chainsaw Gang (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=330644)) 6 of Spades
Zack- Klingon Assassin [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia V- Star Trek (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117157-Mini-Mafia-V-%28Concluded%29)) 8 of Spades
-------------Night Three
Major Robert Dump- Rudolph [Evil] Bizarro Mafia (The Night Santa Went Crazy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy)) 2 of Diamonds
-------------Day Four
Beskar- Detective Psycho Andy [Neutral] Psychotic Mafia (Psycho Mafia I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113845-Psycho-Mafia-%28Concluded%29)) 5 of Diamonds
Jolt- Supreme Grandmaster Bane Anded [Neutral] Space Mafia (Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Clubs
Captain Blackadder2- Claire Raval [Evil] Dark Falls Mafia (Resident Evil: Dark Falls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123875-Resident-Evil-Dark-Falls-Game-thread)) 5 of Spades
-------------Night Four
(No one)
-------------Day Five
B_Ray2- Squirrely the Squirrel [Evil] South Park Mafia (South Park: Imaginationland (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132326-South-Park-Imaginationland-Concluded)) 3 of Hearts
Autolycus- Android Lore [Evil] Space Mafia (Mini Mafia VII- Star Trek TNG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120373-Mini-Mafia-VII)) 4 of Diamonds
Ironside- Kansas C. Smith [Evil] Cosa Nostra (Resident Evil: Omega (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117441-Resident-Evil-Omega-%28Concluded%29)) Queen of Diamonds
-------------Night Five
(revived)
-------------Day Six
Robbiecon- Askthepizzaguy [Evil] Cosa Nostra (The Golden Rule (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110184-The-Golden-Rule-%28Concluded%29)) King of Diamonds
Death is yonder- Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith [Evil] Space Mafia (Star Wars- Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play)) Ace of Diamonds
-------------Night Six





Begin DAY SEVEN



Because Renata has escaped in victorious fashion, the Good team (Renata) takes the top prize.
A Team Victory is now worth only as much as a Faction Victory (3 points). The Team Victory is awarded to Renata.

You will now battle it out for second place Team Victory (3 points).




Vote now on the following items:



10% bulletproof chance. (blue Jaguar XK 120, allows for a quick escape)
10% vigilante kill chance. (Red lightsaber, can be used to attack someone)
10% retaliatory kill chance. (The animator Terry Gilliam, who suffers a fatal heart attack when you die....)
10% bus driver chance. (golden powder, can cause exposions and disorientation)
10% investigatory chance. (Jedi Holocron, allows you to learn more about someone) FACTION SCANNING ITEM
??% ???? (WHITE EYES) Unknown Item


Game continues!