Large Mafia Game Futuramafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 11

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:10

I could totally see Montmorency-Cuthillius-Murska as mafia.

Or at least two of thema nd the other simply blundering along -can we countenance a four-member mafia team in only twenty players?

Vig is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body minimum.

Jailkeeper is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body.

Tracker, worth 1 scum.

Plus one scum over standard, plus scum powers. 3 all with powers, or 4 with a goon. Maybe even 4 with powers, but the existence of 3p and a neutral doesn't make it seem likely that scum would be that powerful even with the town powers in play.

El Barto

10-02-2016, 22:10

You think very highly of DP.
No, you think very highly of Dp101.

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 22:10

So why on earth would you offer to let him tell you where to vote?

because he's an amazing player sometimes

and we disagree right now

and i don't know what direction to go in exactly and i'm starting to doubt all the reads i had at the beginning of the game

thus the sheep

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 22:10

No, you think very highly of Dp101.

not highly enough to think that he could play like this as scum in his second game

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 22:11

El Barto

10-02-2016, 22:12

Vig is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body minimum.

Jailkeeper is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body.

Tracker, worth 1 scum.

Plus one scum over standard, plus scum powers. 3 all with powers, or 4 with a goon. Maybe even 4 with powers, but the existence of 3p and a neutral doesn't make it seem likely that scum would be that powerful even with the town powers in play.
Nah, with powers, with at least two neutrals with powers who can be suntly coerced onto your side?

But town with powers there's quite a few.

Monty-Cuth-Murska? Tunnel-Monty? Sure.

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 22:17

because he's an amazing player sometimes

and we disagree right now

and i don't know what direction to go in exactly and i'm starting to doubt all the reads i had at the beginning of the game

thus the sheep

But he's voting for you.

It doesn't matter how amazing he might be sometimes, because right now he's got you square in the scumzone, and if you're town then you know he's wrong about that.

And knowing that, how do you ever manage to go from voting him earlier in the day to offering to sheep him wherever he goes now?

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:21

novice

10-02-2016, 22:21

Tally as of post 2508:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716965#post2053716965), Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717002#post2053717002), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717014#post2053717014), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717016#post2053717016))
2 votes: Montmorency (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716821#post2053716821), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716942#post2053716942))
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716722#post2053716722), Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716947#post2053716947))
1 votes: Cuthilius (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716964#post2053716964))

Voting history:
Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

Montmorency

Al Sipsclar

Montmorency

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

atheotes

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Unvote

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

Cuthilius

Cuthillius

Al Sipsclar

Cuthillius

Cuthillius

Cuthillius

El Barto

10-02-2016, 22:22

Shouldn't that be five votes on Cuthil(l)ius?

El Barto

10-02-2016, 22:25

all three?
You are voting Monty, is that what you mean?

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 22:26

@ Winston

I don't know why town has what is basically a copy of Reidquat's role, or what value it has to us.

You've played an amazing game thus far, and I want to lynch a scum with you today, but it's entirely possible that this is the last round I can talk so I have to say this.

I need your vote and I really hope I'm wrong about your role, and that you are that extra body we need. I'm comfortable leaving you alive for 2 more rounds, but if you're at final anything, you have to be lynched for possibly being the scum role cop.

You played an amazingly townie game. If you're scum here, I don't care that I didn't push it. And if you're town or neutral, I'm really glad I did not.

Some thoughts:

1) Stop trying to keep me alive. It's unnatural for me to live this long already.

2) Stop telling me you need me and stop saying nice things about my play - it only makes me suspect you more.

3) If I was scum and had this role, I would have done everything possible to avoid revealing it, including most probably coming up with something less obviously incriminating.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:31

Some thoughts:

1) Stop trying to keep me alive. It's unnatural for me to live this long already.

2) Stop telling me you need me and stop saying nice things about my play - it only makes me suspect you more.

3) If I was scum and had this role, I would have done everything possible to avoid revealing it, including most probably coming up with something less obviously incriminating.
It is a shit role to claim. It's not something that deflects a lynch, realistically. The issue is, it's also not a huge target to be murdered unless there's something about the mafia team that is particularly robot-centric, and a claimed neutral already has that power.

I don't get its inclusion from a design standpoint. It doesn't really interact with the hostile third party Farnsworth, who is human. If the neutrals are plain neutral, not hostile, why do we need to scan for them?

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:34

Cover role human, real role robot. That's what I can think of.

novice

10-02-2016, 22:34

Maybe the scum are human with robot cover identities.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:36

Maybe the scum are human with robot cover identities.

Yeah.

We need a mass claim, asap.

novice

10-02-2016, 22:37

https://i.imgur.com/3m6UT8B.png

Zack: "Sorry folks, I understand there's been a double homicide, in direct violation of the Earth Constitution."

Smitty: "That's right. You can't kill a man twice for the same crime!"

Zack: "No, no. I just mean two people have died. I thought we were only killing one at a time. Is that not a thing?"

URL: "Sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles, boss."

Zack: "Then get me a better cookie, damn it!"

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"That's a calculator. I ate it to gain its power." - Visor

https://i.imgur.com/halkTHg.png

Hermes Conrad

Player: Visor

Role: Hermes (https://theinfosphere.org/Hermes)

Faction: TOWN
"I owe you nothing! For starters your antenna's in my crotch. Also I hate you. And finally, you can't cook for squat." - khaan

https://i.imgur.com/bErnYRT.jpg

Larry

Player: seireikhaan

Role: Larry (http://theinfosphere.org/Larry) [COVER: Elzar]

Faction: MomCorp (MAFIA)

"Even an idiot like me knows he'll be ruined." - real khaan

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It is now Day Three.

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Actually Khaan's cover was Elzar.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:38

Nixon, for example, could be human or robot.

He's a human richard nixon's head in a jar, sometimes the jar is attached to a robot.

I don't remember all the character claims that weren't full claims.

Dp101

10-02-2016, 22:39

Yeah, and we also need the robo-scanners to scan anyone who claims human.

Dp101

10-02-2016, 22:40

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:41

Actually Khaan's cover was Elzar.

I wouldn't anticipate a full scum team would follow the pattern, it makes the role too valuable to town with no potential downsides.

At most, 1 or 2, to make the role have a potential use for town, but cannot catch every scum.

I forget who the scan targets were. John and GH and some others.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:41

Would you like me to post my role PM?

Please, by all means.

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2016, 22:43

Just so I don't mess up the tally program:

Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:43

If WH and Reidquat agree to pick different live unscanned targets tonight, and people have already been locked in to a mass claim, there's a possibility we have viable information tomorrow.

What were all the scans?

Dp101

10-02-2016, 22:45

Our planet has been through a lot this year, but we have not forgotten what is truly important... the great taste of Charleston Chew!

https://i.imgur.com/ZiASLrP.png

President Richard Nixon's head

Player: Dp101

Role: Nixon (https://theinfosphere.org/Nixon)

Faction: TOWN

Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.

Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die. Here

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 22:46

It is a shit role to claim. It's not something that deflects a lynch, realistically. The issue is, it's also not a huge target to be murdered unless there's something about the mafia team that is particularly robot-centric, and a claimed neutral already has that power.

I don't get its inclusion from a design standpoint. It doesn't really interact with the hostile third party Farnsworth, who is human. If the neutrals are plain neutral, not hostile, why do we need to scan for them?

The way I saw it was half-bulletproof, half-lynchbait. No idea what good the robot scan is supposed to be for us.

It's actually very similar to a role I had in a NotW a while back, for which I was indeed mislynched on the last day (despite putting in the greatest day's work in NotW history). Thankfully, it turned out we couldn't actually lose by that point, so the mislynch cost me nothing more than my personal goal.

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 22:48

Cover role human, real role robot. That's what I can think of.

That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).

But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:51

in 2135 Riedquat mentions his targets. So his live targets are john and WH, both are robots.

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 22:51

My results again:

Al Sips - robot
Murska - not robot
GH - robot
john - robot

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2016, 22:51

From the Nixon role PM:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 22:51

But he's voting for you.

It doesn't matter how amazing he might be sometimes, because right now he's got you square in the scumzone, and if you're town then you know he's wrong about that.

And knowing that, how do you ever manage to go from voting him earlier in the day to offering to sheep him wherever he goes now?

how indeed

i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:51

That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).

But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.

It wouldn't be all of them, as Khaan's flip indicates. If it was just one, then the role wouldn't be without reason.

It's Zack so it can even be a red herring, but it's silly not to use the time and check.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 22:53

Murska, John, and Al should post their role PMs the next time they check into the thread, if they're so inclined.

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 22:56

Quiet! It's 4:00 AM and I just fell asleep for the first time in thrity years!

https://i.imgur.com/ksa8osL.png

Hattie McDoogal

Player: Cuthillius

Role: Hattie (https://theinfosphere.org/Hattie_McDoogal)

Faction: TOWN

Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.

Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 23:00

how indeed

i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that

Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.

I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.

Winston Hughes

10-02-2016, 23:05

Got to hit the sack now, and other than a very brief stop-in before work tomorrow morning, I then won't be online at all until Tuesday.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 23:06

Just so I don't mess up the tally program:

Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius
I think unvotes may mess with it more than a typo. The vote may not count at all.

On the safer side, could you post Vote: Cuthillius in bold without an unvote? It's not needed for the vote to be valid anyway.

I don't know how to call up the vote count with the new program so I can't check if this is even a waste of time.

Cuthillius

10-02-2016, 23:08

Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.

I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.

wat

ignore the colors

i explained the list

it was in no order and the colors apart from grey and green didn't mean anything

thought that was clear

Dp101

10-02-2016, 23:08

It works, I just previewed a votecount.

Zack

10-02-2016, 23:17

The hardest argument is the one where I try to tell a skeptical audience that not only do I need them, but they actually need me.

In politics, it's hard to get a coalition of people with non-conflicting interests to even give a shit about one another's interests for long enough to get anything done, because the "no" faction has a simpler message. It's simpler, and it's always united, because saying no to the idea that we need one another can apply to pretty much any situation. And since the ideology is that simple, it's easy to keep like-minded people as friends.

Complicated ideas, contradictions, exceptions, that's harder. Townie work is harder and people get hurt along the way.

I'm trying to make that argument to a skeptical audience right now.

Monty's argument is pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

Cuth's argument, until a few moments ago, was pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

They have an easy argument and they don't even need to convince you. I can't prove they are scum, I can only ask you to look at their behavior. Post count high, actual involvement tapering off, actual footprint of suspects low.

They are giving you fewer agenda items to disagree with them on. It works, it's just crowd control. It's always crowd control, that's why I make the footprint argument.

People are intelligent on their own but as a group, it's so much easier to manipulate them, and all you need to do is be less disagreeable.

Come on, guys. This is the purest beating heart of me. This is the way I play town.

If you mislynch me today, as I know I said before, it's not over. But it's still two voices gone. And we're having trouble agreeing as it stands.

One of us can't help you tomorrow, maybe two. We have to get it together here.

If you have to lynch me first, then please, look at the size of the accusation footprint of those who remain. Not from here onward, in the past. Before this round and including this one.

And you will have to vote together, you can't just skip off on a suspect that you can quickly check the math and go, that's only ever going to get a minority of the votes, and won't beat the suspect that everyone agrees on.

You have to mind the tally.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-Concluded&p=2053685414&viewfull=1#post2053685414

^
This is what happens when you don't.

I don't know what else to say. I'm trying to be relatable and explain the gravity of the situation, but I've got all the charisma of Hillary Clinton this game and I've called half of you deplorable. I get it.

I'm still the best you've got on the chopping block. Get someone scummier in it.
WARNING - do not edit posts.

novice

10-02-2016, 23:30

From the Nixon role PM:

This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?

Yes.

Montmorency

10-02-2016, 23:33

Just as with any good politician, Pizza unifies everyone with an inevitable feeling of disappointment.

One of the biggest things you guys should pick up is how Pizza argues he can't be scum because he would need too many less-active supporters and he's alienated everyone else. More so than myself, he claims.

And yet he also stresses how divided the town are, which makes one of many of his offered lynches on an even keel with town lynching Pizza.

It's great how he plants the nullification of his own thesis into the rhetoric.

Never let Pizza talk about how everything is about him. It's an eminence front, and it means he needs to be lynched.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2016, 23:38

I'm not trying to make the game all about me, but I can only speak from my own perspective, from my own experience, and discuss the ideas that I've learned about mafia under those constraints. I'm only using myself as an example because the specific point I was trying to make was directly analogous to an identical situation in a recent game on this forum.

Murska

10-02-2016, 23:41

Now there's a surprising amount of people on the Cuth wagon.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

It's time you left science to the 120-year-olds!

https://i.imgur.com/OLgg6cU.png

Dr. Ogden Wernstrom

Player: Murska

Role: Wernstrom (https://theinfosphere.org/Dr._Ogden_Wernstrom)

Faction: TOWN

Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.

Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

Askthepizzaguy

10-03-2016, 00:02

?

The tally hadn't changed at all since you placed the vote on Cuth. The only thing that happened was tallies and a reformatting of an existing vote.

Askthepizzaguy

10-03-2016, 00:09

Logging off for the night, myself. glgl us.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 00:19

Here's my role PM, for the record:

There is nothing at stake and no threat, beyond the shame of defeat.

https://i.imgur.com/OxqcEgz.png

Ethan "Bubblegum" Tate

Player: Montmorency

Role: Bubblegum Tate (https://theinfosphere.org/Bubblegum)

Faction: TOWN

Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.

Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

El Barto

10-03-2016, 00:36

This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?
Apparently, we all do.

Zack

10-03-2016, 00:39

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

4 cuth

2 monty
2 pizza

1 gh

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 00:42

vote:pizza

okay

he completely ignored everything i said

he doesn't want me to be town

and he was constantly saying i'm scummy while complaining about nobody voting me even though they were talking about me

which he was doing as well

he only voted me after he was complaining about it and gh voted first

he's just scum

Zack

10-03-2016, 00:43

not voting - atheotes, Riedquat

johnhughthom will be modkilled if he doesn't get a vote in today

Riedquat

10-03-2016, 01:23

Vote: Atpg

El Barto

10-03-2016, 01:25

Vote: Atpg
What?

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 01:36

can't be here for eod

lynch pizza, he's scum

Riedquat

10-03-2016, 01:37

in 2135 Riedquat mentions his targets. So his live targets are john and WH, both are robots.

You meant GH... I really wish to scan WH but I have something far more important to do tonight, like trying to save a human sorry ass...

Riedquat

10-03-2016, 01:44

What?

What what? I do not think Pizza is town and have serious doubts about Winston too...

El Barto

10-03-2016, 02:07

EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN!

Al Sipsclar

10-03-2016, 02:24

That was so terrible, I think you gave me cancer! I don't care how popular you are, you will never work on my show! ... However, you've got the job.

https://i.imgur.com/yZld3x9.png

Calculon

Player: Al Sipsclar

Role: Calculon (https://theinfosphere.org/calculon)

Faction: TOWN

Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.

Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

-----

If you have any questions, ask me privately.

:2thumbsup:

Vote: Cuthillius

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 02:33

get off me

i'm town

pizza is voting me primarily on the basis that everyone was calling me scum but not voting me

same way he was talking about murska

but he didn't vote us

he just talked talked talked all day

don't lynch me

i mean if you do i can talk

but we're still probably going to lose, given how many scum are probable

El Barto

10-03-2016, 02:34

but he didn't vote us
‘us’?

Dp101

10-03-2016, 02:37

‘us’?

Think he means murska.

atheotes

10-03-2016, 02:42

It is quite possible that pelican was role copped and GH has claimed to have jked him for 3 nights in a row bcos it is unverifiable.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief

atheotes

10-03-2016, 02:46

Does Zack generally allow to target the same person on consecutive nights?

Zack

10-03-2016, 02:57

Tally as of post 2564:

Lynch votes
5 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716965#post2053716965), Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717002#post2053717002), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717014#post2053717014), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717047#post2053717047), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717102#post2053717102))
4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716722#post2053716722), Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716947#post2053716947), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717084#post2053717084), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717094#post2053717094))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717075#post2053717075), atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717107#post2053717107))

Voting history:
Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

Montmorency

Al Sipsclar

Montmorency

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

atheotes

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Unvote

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

Cuthilius

Cuthillius

Al Sipsclar

Cuthillius

Cuthillius

Cuthillius

Cuthillius

GeneralHankerchief

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Cuthillius

GeneralHankerchief

Dp101

10-03-2016, 02:58

This better be the right choice, or I'm going to be slightly pissed off.

Zack

10-03-2016, 03:00

do not post

Zack

10-03-2016, 03:04

http://1.images.comedycentral.com/images/shows/Futurama/Videos/season_7/futurama_handmade_open_640x360.jpg

Cuthillius was lynched. johnhughthom was modkilled.

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"Quiet! It's 4:00 AM and I just fell asleep for the first time in thrity years!" - Cuthillius

https://i.imgur.com/ksa8osL.png

Hattie McDoogal

Player: Cuthillius

Role: Hattie (https://theinfosphere.org/Hattie_McDoogal)

Faction: TOWN

CAN TALK AFTER DEATH.
"I trust the orgy pit has been scraped and buttered." - johnhughthom

https://i.imgur.com/KVc65xs.jpg

Hedonismbot

Player: johnhughthom

Role: Hedonismbot (https://theinfosphere.org/Hedonismbot)

Faction: TOWN
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It is now Night Five.

Night actions due by: tunnel snakes rule

Zack

10-03-2016, 03:05

Alive: 10

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Murska
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 5

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth
d4 - novice - Scruffy (can talk)
d5 - Cuthillius - Hattie (can talk)

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Killed: 6

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda
n4 - choxorn - Morbo

---

Modkilled: 1

johnhughthom - Hedonismbot

Zack

10-03-2016, 03:05

You can post now.

El Barto

10-03-2016, 03:07

Think he means murska.
Luckily, he can clarify.

Does Zack generally allow to target the same person on consecutive nights?
Yeap. he can be a bit bossy and tell you it's not recommendable, but I've never seen him banning that.

This better be the right choice, or I'm going to be slightly pissed off.
And the right choice, in your inferior non-robotic opinion, is…?

GeneralHankerchief

10-03-2016, 03:13

Welp.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 03:15

Happy new year, everyone! :elephant:

Dp101

10-03-2016, 03:21

And the right choice, in your inferior non-robotic opinion, is…?

Well, with the benefit of perfect hindsite, is probably Pizza now, but was previously Monty.

El Barto

10-03-2016, 03:23

Happy new year, everyone! :elephant:
Hey, you ain't snippin' no part of this shiny metal ass.

Well, with the benefit of perfect hindsite, is probably Pizza now, but was previously Monty.
Okay, why Pizza and not Monty now, why Monty and not Pizza before?

Dp101

10-03-2016, 03:42

Okay, why Pizza and not Monty now, why Monty and not Pizza before?

Pizza now because of his role in the Cuth lynch, Monty before because Pizza had better logic.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 03:46

Monty before because Pizza had better logic.

The force with which a claim is made does not speak to its intrinsic logic.

Dp101

10-03-2016, 03:52

The force with which a claim is made does not speak to its intrinsic logic.

I still preferred the way he made his arguments and the substance of them to your defence.

El Barto

10-03-2016, 03:55

Go on…

Dp101

10-03-2016, 04:01

Go on…

Well, as I believe I mentioned at the time, Monty's defence had the tone of a mafia trying to scramble a defence against a town that had seen through them, and Pizza's reasons as to why his theory was correct seemed logical. I'm sorry for using the word logic earlier, most of my read was in fact based off of tone, as that is all I can do when I get out of my depth in the midgame.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 04:07

If you trust Pizza based on his tone, then you will never lynch him. But as soon as you're done blindly lynching townies at the whim of raging scummers, you might investigate the possibility of Atheotes/Pelican/Pizza. A perfect combo that was, for Pelican to once more delurk for the sake of sheeping me, and then Atheotes, after the tie had stewed long enough, come in to clinch on Cuthilius. Convenient that Atheotes is one of Pizza's low lynch priorities -

1. Lynch Monty
2. Lynch Cuth, Murska, atheotes any order.

- while atheotes is keeping the flame lit for a GH lynch. And when has Pizza ever made a serious remark about Pelican?

El Barto

10-03-2016, 04:15

Go on, go on…

Dp101

10-03-2016, 04:17

[QUOTE=Montmorency;2053717129]If you trust Pizza based on his tone, then you will never lynch him./QUOTE]

I didn't say I trusted him for tone forever, just that particular exchange had him coming off better than you.

Dp101

10-03-2016, 04:17

Oops, I broke the quote tag. Sorry.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 04:19

I didn't say I trusted him for tone forever

But you have in fact. Unless Pizza has a nervous breakdown in the next day, I fail to see why the pattern of trust would not continue. The same sort of behavior will elicit the same sort of response, reinforcing the pattern for Pizza but especially for you.

Dp101

10-03-2016, 04:23

But you have in fact. Unless Pizza has a nervous breakdown in the next day, I fail to see why the pattern of trust would not continue. The same sort of behavior will elicit the same sort of response, reinforcing the pattern for Pizza but especially for you.

Did you not see the part where I said "Better than you"? My read on him is very shaky anyway after this lynch, I would be happy to go after him tomorrow.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 04:32

But I've already explained this! With Pizza, "Better than you" will take effect on whomever he turns his gaze upon. Today it was me or Cuthilius. Yesterday it was novice. Before that it was Stork. Before that it was BSmith.

Every day, you have voted in line with Pizza, except for Day 1. Every. Single. Day.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 04:34

You need to admit it to yourself before you can fix anything.

You have become a Pizza fanboi. There's no shame in that. All of us go through this phase. But knowing is not half the battle - acknowledgment is.

Only you can take the first step.

Riedquat

10-03-2016, 04:46

What a bunch of morons! All of you! The scum included! :clown:

All your scumhunting readings are plain crap if you then let yourselves get enchanted listening to Atpg.... follow your freaking guts at least once!

Dp101

10-03-2016, 04:56

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 05:14

that atheotes vote though

that murska unvote of me too

lol

90 percent on murska and pizza being scum, likely connected to one of winston or GH

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 05:14

it's basically as simple as pizza is the wolf tracker

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 05:15

oh my goodness i can actually post whatever the hell i want and i'm confirmed town

this is great

okay so i didn't like the way winston pushed on me either

Riedquat

10-03-2016, 05:24

oh my goodness i can actually post whatever the hell i want and i'm confirmed town

this is great

okay so i didn't like the way winston pushed on me either

:laugh4:

Dp101

10-03-2016, 05:42

that atheotes vote though

that murska unvote of me too

lol

90 percent on murska and pizza being scum, likely connected to one of winston or GH

I agree with this, FWIW, which is probably not much given that I just lynched you, but whatever.

Winston Hughes

10-03-2016, 06:51

Unless the pair of you are pulling one of those insane bussing gambits (and this would be a pretty extreme version even for you), I just don't see the motivation for sticking his neck out so far.

Okay, so this is exactly what is going on here.

Monty and pizza haven't been trying to get each other lynched.

They've been making a lot of noise giving that impression, but the timing is all wrong and the true lynch push is lacking.

Look at how soft they went on each other at the business end of the day. And not for the first time.

What they've been doing is giving each other excuses for making it through the night, whilst making themselves look mutually-exclusive as scum.

Lynch pizza tomorrow, and lynch Monty after that.

Dp101

10-03-2016, 07:01

I... actually like that theory. I would be ok with doing that.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 07:13

I would accept lynching Pizza, and then lynching you. Then we can talk.

Winston Hughes

10-03-2016, 07:19

I would accept lynching Pizza, and then lynching you. Then we can talk.

You and pizza have been working together to set me up as his buddy for most of the game now.

It's just one example of how you continually push certain agendas, working from opposite sides to nudge townies until we're right where you want us.

Winston Hughes

10-03-2016, 07:22

Not that I expect it to yield anything, but I'm minded to visit Monty tonight.

In case Riedquat and the Dead Vanillas want to tell me to do something else, I'll try to get online for a minute tonight to make a switch.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 08:06

Yeah, tell me another one, first onboard the Cuthilius train.

Winston Hughes

10-03-2016, 08:20

You spend all that time telling us how pizza is lock scum, and then when he needs a push to actually get him lynched you go all coy. Then, once he's safe for another day, back you come again with your I-told-you-so bit.

And because you can't defend yourself on this, all you can do is throw shade at me.

Yes, I helped to lynch Cuthillius. That is on me.

But you didn't lift a finger to try and stop it, even though you've been claiming absolute conviction about the scumminess of the guy pushing that wagon.

Winston Hughes

10-03-2016, 08:25

Work now.

Please give what I've been saying a proper look, everyone. I very rarely speak with such conviction about anything at this stage of a game, but the evidence here is damning.

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 08:28

You spend all that time telling us how pizza is lock scum, and then when he needs a push to actually get him lynched you go all coy.

You're blaming me for not having two votes or something?

atheotes

10-03-2016, 08:34

If you trust Pizza based on his tone, then you will never lynch him. But as soon as you're done blindly lynching townies at the whim of raging scummers, you might investigate the possibility of Atheotes/Pelican/Pizza. A perfect combo that was, for Pelican to once more delurk for the sake of sheeping me, and then Atheotes, after the tie had stewed long enough, come in to clinch on Cuthilius. Convenient that Atheotes is one of Pizza's low lynch priorities -

- while atheotes is keeping the flame lit for a GH lynch. And when has Pizza ever made a serious remark about Pelican?

What? What did i clinch?

that atheotes vote though

that murska unvote of me too

lol

90 percent on murska and pizza being scum, likely connected to one of winston or GH

What about my vote?

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 08:44

Oh :daisy: sorry, that was Al Sipsclar.

Uhh

Montmorency

10-03-2016, 08:45

Al Sipsclar, not atheotes, made that final vote. My bad. (Not like I could have changed it, Winston).

Askthepizzaguy

10-03-2016, 12:15

I'm so done looking at this game for a while.

atheotes

10-03-2016, 12:24

El Barto

10-03-2016, 20:49

Bender Bending Rodríguez, go and make a check on Askthepizzaguy!

Cuthillius

10-03-2016, 21:24

What? What did i clinch?

What about my vote?

it was offwagon when you could have either advanced my wagon or tied

and your vote would never have made a difference where you put it

Askthepizzaguy

10-03-2016, 23:31

I have orders in, fwiw.

I'm pretty much mortgaging the farm in the hopes that WH+Reidquat's powers save the game by finding someone we wouldn't have otherwise found.

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 00:44

Bender Bending Rodríguez, go and make a check on Askthepizzaguy!

No. :)

El Barto

10-04-2016, 01:10

You wife-stealing scumbag! You don't even have a stylish goatee!

Zack

10-04-2016, 03:00

https://i.imgur.com/YBia0oP.jpg

Zack: "The devil's hands are idle playthings. Especially now, with the idling."

-------

"You can't just have your characters announce how they feel... that makes me feel angry!" - Winston Hughes

https://i.imgur.com/wIuMV1M.png

Robot Devil

Player: Winston Hughes

Role: Robot Devil (https://theinfosphere.org/Robot_devil)

Faction: TOWN
-------

It is now Day Six. DO NOT POST YET.

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Zack

10-04-2016, 03:02

Alive: 9

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Murska
Pelican
Riedquat

---

Lynched: 5

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth
d4 - novice - Scruffy
d5 - Cuthillius - Hattie

---

Killed: 7

n1 - El Barto - Flexo
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda
n4 - choxorn - Morbo
n5 - Winston Hughes - Robot Devil

---

Modkilled: 1

johnhughthom - Hedonismbot

Zack

10-04-2016, 03:02

It is potentially LYNCH AND LOSE, so be very careful with your votes today.

In this new phase of the game, DEAD TOWNIES CAN NO LONGER TALK.

BSmith
novice
Cuthillius
El Barto

THE FOUR OF YOU CAN NO LONGER POST IN THE THREAD.

Zack

10-04-2016, 03:03

Al Sipsclar Askthepizzaguy atheotes Dp101 GeneralHankerchief Montmorency Murska Pelican Riedquat

The living players listed above may now post.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 03:11

Wow.

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 03:15

Completely wrong about Winston... :(

My doctor ability came back last night, so I protected GH... :shrug: And found my buddy Fry :)

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 03:23

My attempted jailkeep failed again. I went after somebody other than Al Sipsclar, so he does not have a passive ability. I am being actively targeted.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 03:28

:cool2: Prepare to be terminated.

Vote: Pizza

This is our last dance - our last chance - for lo.o.o.o.o.o.v.v.veee

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 03:41

All my paranoia alerts are turned on but... https://theinfosphere.org/Dr._Ogden_Wernstrom look at the little picture on the right... Murska...

By the way, Fry and Atheotes, is time to claim!

Dp101

10-04-2016, 03:43

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 03:55

All my paranoia alerts are turned on but... https://theinfosphere.org/Dr._Ogden_Wernstrom look at the little picture on the right... Murska...

By the way, Fry and Atheotes, is time to claim!

The killbot? And are you saying that Atheotes is a Fry power role?

in retrospect having a desperate tone in this town is actually more villagery than calm logic.

Pretty sure that's everyone except novice and Pizza (who has his own trademark tone).

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 04:08

Does finding fry do anything, Quat? Also. Vote: Pizza to honour Winston's last words. His theory seems decent, and in retrospect having a desperate tone in this town is actually more villagery than calm logic. Thoughts on complete list of mafia (since there must be 4) to come.

Yes, yes... of course! The VC I left out from my claim, I must find and save him!

I have the list of scum, 4 of them:

Dr. Ogden Wernstrom - (Murska)
Larry (Wernstrom's son) - (Khaan)
Walt (Larry's brother) - (??????)
Mom (Wernstrom's Wife) - (?????)

Problem is Pizza, he is not robot nor human.... he is an alien, and all the scum must be human...I have serious doubts Pizza invented the claimed role at the time he did, in the other hand, if I am right... we are doomed!

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 04:16

The killbot? And are you saying that Atheotes is a Fry power role?

No! Pelican is Fry, imho vanilla.
Atheotes, I do not have a clue... but due to my paranoid theory probably human scum! Probably... I should have waited till he revealed to mention it... still I'm short in one human... :stare: Who were you again?

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 04:24

So if I'm reading this right, Murska's scum?

Vote: Murska

(going to bed for the night, feel free to correct me while I'm asleep)

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 04:25

I put up my role PM, basketball player Bubblegum, vanilla.

Dr. Ogden Wernstrom - (Murska)
Larry (Wernstrom's son) - (Khaan)
Walt (Larry's brother) - (??????)
Mom (Wernstrom's Wife) - (?????)

There's a problem here - Larry has two brothers.

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 04:27

Al Sipsclar - Robot -
Askthepizzaguy - Alien -
atheotes -
Dp101 - Human/robot/jarhead - Nixon
GeneralHankerchief - robot - donbot
Montmorency - human -
Murska - Not Robot - Dr. Ogden Wernstrom (Killbots) - khaan was his son
Pelican - Human - Fry
Riedquat - Robot - Bender

Please, fill the roles if you can and also, Atpg's targets of each night.

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 04:31

Al Sipsclar claimed vanilla here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716821#post2053716821) but didn't specify what character he was.

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 04:33

There's a problem here - Larry has two brothers.

Igner, half brother, same mother different father, Farnsworth (Stork)

I blame Barto for not noticing this while he could talk!

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 04:53

Larry

Player: seireikhaan

Role: Larry (http://theinfosphere.org/Larry) [COVER: Elzar]

Faction: MomCorp (MAFIA)

Please, anybody tell me I'm completely crazy!

Dp101

10-04-2016, 05:24

Seems a little too neat to me. We will have to wait and see, but I don't think we have enough evidence to confirm that theory yet.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 05:27

Pizza claimed to have tracked Al Sipsclar and Newyn the first two nights. N3 he claimed blocked, N4 he claimed to see Winston visiting JHT.

Do you think there wouldn't be the third brother here?

I;m thinking if anything, Murska should be third party like Stork, while the 3 brothers + Mom make the Mafia. Here's what I think, then:

3 Mafia + 2 third parties + 4 townies is why we have LYLO today. 3P must not count toward town numbers, or perhaps Murska is hostile third party.

Dp101

10-04-2016, 05:30

I think the remaining mafia are Monty/Pizza/Murska/Al (if there is a fourth one, we will see). if anyone wants my reasoning behind any one of them, ask away.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 05:31

The simplest arrangement is Pizza + GH + DP101/Pelican, but I don't think that's enough.

Al Sipsclar and Pizza should be core scum. Lynch them, and the night kills will reveal the only possible remaining contender out of Pelican, DP, and atheotes. After that, lynch Murska if the game hasn't ended.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 06:45

it was offwagon when you could have either advanced my wagon or tied

and your vote would never have made a difference where you put it

I was not sure about you and pizza. I thought and still think GH is scum. I posted a reason with my vote hoping it could be an alternate to the current wagons. on hindsight i probably should have tied the votes. I sincerely believe that GH is the scum roleblocker and Winston was the scum role cop.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 07:03

Yes, yes... of course! The VC I left out from my claim, I must find and save him!

I have the list of scum, 4 of them:

Dr. Ogden Wernstrom - (Murska)
Larry (Wernstrom's son) - (Khaan)
Walt (Larry's brother) - (??????)
Mom (Wernstrom's Wife) - (?????)

Problem is Pizza, he is not robot nor human.... he is an alien, and all the scum must be human...I have serious doubts Pizza invented the claimed role at the time he did, in the other hand, if I am right... we are doomed!

How did you arrive at this? Does this mean, the baddies in the show are the scum here? Way too straight forward for my liking.
let me go find Murska's claim.

Also, i dont really want to make a claim here.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:09

I tracked Montmorency, and he didn't go anywhere.

I'm pretty sure you should disregard that and still lynch him, but he's not the scum blocker.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:12

There is one brother in the group that isn't like the others, Igner. He's too dumb and sweet to actually be evil.

Not sure we could solve it by character due to cover roles.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 07:20

atheotes

10-04-2016, 07:26

I cant find Murska's claim. Can anyone help me?

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:29

But if there are cover roles, then clearly Murska's would not be a scum cover role. Either third party or town. Parallelism to Dr. Farnsworth (who was 3P) is likely.

Do you have any suspects left, Pizza? You want me dead, and (distantly) atheotes, so that leaves Al Sipsclar, Pelican, abd DP101 to be my scum partner.

Do you really think any of those combinations make sense? Do you think you can argue for any of those combinations making sense?

This question indicates to me that I do have one of the three wrong, otherwise you probably wouldn't be kind of shoving my wrongness in my face tauntingly.

I'll think about it and get back to you.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:30

Someone else may even have the exact right team and Monty doesn't want to talk about it.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:32

Think I'm right on Murska, though. Otherwise Monty would be leaping at the chance to mislynch the guy.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:33

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 07:33

Someone else may even have the exact right team and Monty doesn't want to talk about it.

Whers'at?

And no, I am and have been leaping at the chance to lynch you. I have not accepted substitutes (though I was wrong about Winston, as I'm sure you enjoyed proving through your kill of him).

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:43

We are 10 now. Tomorrow we will be 9 with 3 scum and Quat probably not counting for parity.
if we mislynch we probably lose and yet we have no consesus.

I suggest the following actions:
Winston - Check on me.
Pizza - Track GH
GH to jk Dp101.

This is up there with Monty's plan from yesterday.

Winston died, if GH is scum blocker he can just block me and force a thunderdome between us that he wins, and since GH is being jailkept, and dp101 isn't Murska or atheotes himself.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:44

Vote: atheotes

atheotes

10-04-2016, 07:44

Here

thanks.

Scum have cover roles. so i am not going to consider Quat's theory on Murska.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 07:48

This is up there with Monty's plan from yesterday.

Winston died, if GH is scum blocker he can just block me and force a thunderdome between us that he wins, and since GH is being jailkept, and dp101 isn't Murska or atheotes himself.

I dont fully understand what you are saying.
But my suggestion was based on my premise that Winston was scum and would be alive today anyway. and Dp101 was the likely kill

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 07:53

I dont fully understand what you are saying.
But my suggestion was based on my premise that Winston was scum and would be alive today anyway. and Dp101 was the likely kill

Would you lynch Murska today? Would you lynch Monty today? Would you lynch me today?

Generalhankerchief?

atheotes

10-04-2016, 08:02

Would you lynch Murska today? Would you lynch Monty today? Would you lynch me today?

Generalhankerchief?

GH has been my top scum read. he was also quick to vote Murska. I would expect town GH to be more skeptical here.
if it comes to Monty and you, probably you.
I also have my doubts about Quat. He needs most of the Robots to survive. if the scum dont have any robots it effectively makes him town. So why would he propose a "scum must be human" theory? Guess i need to read all the claims again.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:06

GH has been my top scum read. he was also quick to vote Murska. I would expect town GH to be more skeptical here.
if it comes to Monty and you, probably you.
I also have my doubts about Quat. He needs most of the Robots to survive. if the scum dont have any robots it effectively makes him town. So why would he propose a "scum must be human" theory? Guess i need to read all the claims again.

You have me as one of your scums, and picking me over Monty for the lynch.

You're pretty much in all my scum teams as well. If we're both town, game is over.

Do you want to lock that in and thunderdome one another?

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:22

Winston theorized before he died that Pizza and Monty were on the same scum team. Dp101 backed that theory up.

He's dead and there's at least one live player willing to push that theory.

The game is over if I ever get lynched. People should just decide my alignment today and not waste too much of their time.

If there's not four other players willing to say Pizza is town and I'm riding or dying with that belief, I don't want to keep playing.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:26

I'm not trying to throw a pity party, or anything. I'll sit here all day and talk to anyone about anything and be willing to consider, for the most part, if they're town.

But you gotta understand this game feels like garbage to me and you have to understand that in my position, if we lynch scum, lynch scum, then lynch me, it's the same only worse.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:28

For any X person you think is scum "with me", force a thunderdome between that person and me.

That way, I will be voting for a scum on our way out, as opposed to merely self-pres.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:42

GeneralHankerchief

I've been scum all game and I decided to pocket you because you obviously trust me after I tried to lynch you. That's a plan I had, right?

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:43

Especially given our famous ability to work well together in games where we're both town. Like myself and Zack.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:46

GH is nothing, if not a devoted pizzaguy fanboi.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:50

Pelican and Dp are two others who have promised to end me. All you'd really need is Monty + anyone else, and that would at least force a 4-4 tie. And there's really no way I get five counter votes to that. Reidquat literally doesn't even need to take a stand on the issue, he wins if I get lynched, and voted me yesterday.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:53

It's lynch or lose and I'm still alive with a claimed town power role. It's like a no brainer.

I'm a tracker who isn't being blocked at this late stage of the game. There's literally no way that's not a scum role.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 08:55

Can we lynch Monty and then Murska, or Murska and then Monty? I'll settle for atheotes if he doesn't change.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:08

Here's the absolute bottom line:

Atheotes is going "GH is top scum" when I'm not being roleblocked or killed and Winston and GH were or likely were.

Someone actually believes that I can possibly think he's scum, as a townie.

Someone has to have me and GH as both being town in order to falsely sell that narrative. Like, literally only a scum can think that. Or else the accusation is actually that I am scum and I have the pizzaguy card that says it's not true.

If someone is a townie and thinks that I am town when I know GH has to be town at that point, then they also have to come up with a team of three that doesn't include Askthepizzaguy and Generalhankerchief.

It's the only trump card I have is that I alone know I'm still somehow a goddamned townie. Unless someone is willing to change their mind on GH, it's the same as saying I'm scum, and I know that's not true.

GH can't be the top scum on anyone's list. If Askthepizzaguy is town, why is he not killed OR blocked?

Saying GH is scum is saying GH is deliberately not blocking.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:10

Atheotes, if you're town, and you think there's any possibility I am town, then guess what, we lose today if you vote GH.

You need to give me a team of three that includes neither GH or Pizza in that list. Otherwise we thunderdome.

If you're town, I need a miracle from you immediately.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:15

I got Monty+Murska+atheotes as the exact team remaining right now.

Someone needs to start talking to me if that's wrong.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:16

Murska scum blocker most probably given Monty not going anywhere.

He has to figure I'd be tracking him.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:21

thunderdome me and murska.

thunderdome me and monty, not ideal, but I'll take it.

LMK

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:25

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 09:25

No more volcano here, just a science fair fart.

Time to close the lid on this stale pizza.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:27

Good theory. Excellent retort.

Murska and atheotes just townies, then, three card?

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 09:29

Good theory. Excellent retort.

Murska and atheotes just townies, then, three card?

Don't call me that. As I said, Murska is far likelier to be third party than scum here.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:29

Am I bussing them? Good, let's bus em. Let me wriggle and writhe while I'm still alive, watching all my friends die.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:31

Don't call me that. As I said, Murska is far likelier to be third party than scum here.

So you're saying there's 2 scums left and 1 third party. Velly interesting.

If I bus my final remaining partner, boy, I'm pretty screwed aren't I. Let's make that happen next.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:33

Who are my buddies, Monty?

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 09:35

So you're saying there's 2 scums left and 1 third party. Velly interesting.

No, 3 scums and Murska possibly third party. There have to be at least the 3 scums for this to be LYLO.

Who are my buddies, Monty?

Al Sipsclar and Pizza should be core scum. Lynch them, and the night kills will reveal the only possible remaining contender out of Pelican, DP, and atheotes. After that, lynch Murska if the game hasn't ended.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:42

How does town win if it's 1 neutral, 3 scums, and 1 third party hostile?

We don't have enough lynches remaining for that. We have 3 lynches. Town is all done playing if that were the case.

Murska

10-04-2016, 09:42

I am not third party. Hardclaim vanilla.

Vote: Pizza

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:44

Excellent timing.

It's like you were hanging out deciding what to do, and then you just did it. Amaze.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:45

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/51/33/56/513356e9845771a26a20ddf844a7c9d7.jpg

I'm Pizzaman, and I rattle cages.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:46

Oh Murska. You truly are the weakest link. Good bye.

Vote: Murska

Murska

10-04-2016, 09:49

Actually, I just woke up.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:49

Pelican, DP101, go go go

Let's finish the pizzaguy so there's no leftovers.

I am the tastiest prize. Watch for the heartburn tho.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:50

Actually, I just woke up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Fgp-KihIA

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 09:56

We don't have enough lynches remaining for that. We have 3 lynches. Town is all done playing if that were the case.

Nine, seven, five - all the Mafia are dead!

Three - we still playing? Lynch third party. Tried and true.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:58

Sure, Murska is third party today conveniently.

Good job finding excuses not to push him.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 09:59

Reidquat is awesome, but relying on him for parity is suicide.

We have three lynches. As soon as we go -1 townie, the game is over.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:01

It basically says so at the start of the day. It's lynch or lose.

1 townie gone, poof. So we don't have 4 lynches. We absolutely have to think of it as only three.

Murska

10-04-2016, 10:01

My opinion.

Alive:
Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Murska
Pelican
Riedquat

Of these, scummy:
Al Sipsclar
ATPG
GeneralHankerchief

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:03

GH is scum theory again.

It's amazing. Me and GH both claimed town powers ages ago. I crumbed it from the start.

The only way GH is scum is if I'm scum, so I'll give you that much.

Nat ganna lanch him. You lynch me and it's game over, so I can literally guarantee you'll never lynch GH.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:05

Murska and Monty both think Al Sippy cup is my partner.

Running out of spaces to put one, eh?

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:08

I call on my ever-shrinking coalition of AWOL people, people who think I'm scum, and guy who isn't even a townie to end a scumbag today.

It will be the most improbable victory of all time.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:10

Will any of atheotes, Murska, or Monty actually vote for the other today? Stay tuned.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 10:13

Pizza, why not give us a good time and convince me to vote myself, for all the sense you make?

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:21

Pizza, why not give us a good time and convince me to vote myself, for all the sense you make?

Well, is there any universe where you would vote for either atheotes or Murska?

No? Then don't waste my time.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:29

Pizza and Monty
They're both so taunt-y
I can really sense the genuine
Affection shared between the lines
And
They're probably both scum
They didn't lynch each other, how come?
Could it be
they're secretly
part of one big conspiracy
It's all theater, folks
I guess I must think you're just dopes
Because my plan all along
Was to vote you all til you sang along
Huh?
Yep, that was my plan
(Nice to meet you, name's Dan)
I masterminded everything
And now a townie's gonna swing
And I'm here to rub it in your faces
then burn your bodies so there's no traces
And light up my fat victory cigar
And drive off in a stolen car filled with caaaaaaash

Or maybe Monty and Murska are who you need to caaaaaatch.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:35

I got important shit to do, as you can see. I can't be bothered with dead ends.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:40

GeneralHankerchief

I'm currently singing a "scummy, jaunty tune", quite literally.

This is clearly meant to pocket you, because you always love it when I do that, amirite? You don't have any bad memories of that happening.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:47

This is why I don't do sales in real life.

If I'm being honest with people, I can't persuade for shit. It's only in the format where I'm playing a game with friends that I can become an amazing liar.

If I'm being honest with people, I'm more like an irritant that won't go away.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 10:50

Thankfully, we can lynch people like that here.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 10:56

Thankfully, we can lynch people like that here.

A smug and tame response.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:07

The theory you don't see:

GH is scum, pizza is town, and that GH is just refraining from blocking me.

Why, because if GH is scum, no scum wants to actually sell that theory. That would mean lynching GH today, which proves none of them innocent.

If GH is town, and I won't lynch GH, then gotta convince GH to lynch me. Thus the missing theory.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:09

There's a hankerchief in someone's pocket, and it's not mine.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:11

How about a block and kill on Winston, just in case the kill didn't work? Reidquat stated a protective power. No proof he's used it yet.

Again, theory not proposed.

Just Pizza is scum with GH, only theory. Or just pizza is scum. only other theory. So let's go, thunderdome.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:14

I promise with every fiber of my being that I will make this the most painful and long day you've ever experienced.

Montmorency

10-04-2016, 11:17

A smug and bold response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KPT5657XD0

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:17

The really sick part is I have nothing to do all day and I am at that level of cheesed off where I will sit here and talk to a wall for 8 straight hours.

Don't like it, you can tap out by voting me and putting me on ignore mode.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:40

Boy it sure is quiet in here now.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 11:42

I claim this space in the name of Pizza's town. Crappy though it was, I shall march on defiantly.

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 12:06

:charge:

Askthepizzaguy

10-04-2016, 13:03

Guess I'll crank up M2 until some people get online.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 13:39

You have me as one of your scums, and picking me over Monty for the lynch.

You're pretty much in all my scum teams as well. If we're both town, game is over.

Do you want to lock that in and thunderdome one another?

I have never seen the point of a thunderdome. I am never going to participate in one. If you think something i am saying doesnt make sense, sure, we can discuss about it.

Atheotes, if you're town, and you think there's any possibility I am town, then guess what, we lose today if you vote GH.

You need to give me a team of three that includes neither GH or Pizza in that list. Otherwise we thunderdome.

If you're town, I need a miracle from you immediately.

How are you so sure GH is not scum?

atheotes

10-04-2016, 13:48

Like, Murska's claim was in literally the first post that comes up in a search, because it was his most recent post. Don't tell me that atheotes doesn't know how to iso and look at the very first entry before posting if he cared about that. Asking for help is a scumtell at this stage, because it is a subtle psychological trick to get someone to be on your side. It's the yes technique. Get someone to say yes to a simple request and they'll be more likely to follow up with one that screws you over.

That's marketing.

:laugh4:

Reidquat is awesome, but relying on him for parity is suicide.

We have three lynches. As soon as we go -1 townie, the game is over.

:rolleyes:

It basically says so at the start of the day. It's lynch or lose.

1 townie gone, poof. So we don't have 4 lynches. We absolutely have to think of it as only three.

it says potential lynch or lose.

I promise with every fiber of my being that I will make this the most painful and long day you've ever experienced.

:inquisitive:

atheotes

10-04-2016, 13:51

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 14:59

thanks.

Scum have cover roles. so i am not going to consider Quat's theory on Murska.

Yeap... that is a good suggestion about that I'm crazy... very improbably is Murska, cover role... So it were Mom's killbots and we are still completely in the dark, Mom and her three sons... bleh...

I also have my doubts about Quat. He needs most of the Robots to survive. if the scum dont have any robots it effectively makes him town. So why would he propose a "scum must be human" theory? Guess i need to read all the claims again.

Good, finally someone questioning me. Scum must be humans as per lore, Wernstrom is against robots and blames them about the global warming, of course if Murska is not part of the scum the theory crumbles down as the pile of crap it is!

But I wonder what is your problem revealing now?

Can we lynch Monty and then Murska, or Murska and then Monty? I'll settle for atheotes if he doesn't change.

Can you at least be less scummy? Based in my own crazy theory the idea was lynching you and then Murska followed by atheotes... Of course, try your best to save yourself from the lynch, but this is far but really far away from your "best"...

Prove me and and the rest of us, my crazy theory is right, prove Murska's guilt with all your ISos and stuff... All I've seen from you this far is you desperately trying to save your own ass not matter how many townies you sacrifice to achieve that.

Dp101

10-04-2016, 15:03

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 15:38

Dp101

10-04-2016, 16:28

Anyone got a link to Winston's PM? I remember that he could scan for robots and had some kind of limited night action immunity.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 16:44

Yeap... that is a good suggestion about that I'm crazy... very improbably is Murska, cover role... So it were Mom's killbots and we are still completely in the dark, Mom and her three sons... bleh...

Good, finally someone questioning me. Scum must be humans as per lore, Wernstrom is against robots and blames them about the global warming, of course if Murska is not part of the scum the theory crumbles down as the pile of crap it is!

But I wonder what is your problem revealing now?

Can you at least be less scummy? Based in my own crazy theory the idea was lynching you and then Murska followed by atheotes... Of course, try your best to save yourself from the lynch, but this is far but really far away from your "best"...

Prove me and and the rest of us, my crazy theory is right, prove Murska's guilt with all your ISos and stuff... All I've seen from you this far is you desperately trying to save your own ass not matter how many townies you sacrifice to achieve that.

I a dismissing your theory simply based on your VC and the fact that if the scum were all human, you are not really neutral. Murska has been scummy based on tone. But GH and Pizza are way above him in the POE
What do you think about GH?

atheotes

10-04-2016, 17:43

Dp101

10-04-2016, 17:44

It has nothing to do with Pizza's read on him, and everything to do with Murska's behaviour yesterday.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 17:46

Hold on! There is still time, don't give up! If we get this lynch right, high chances town wins the game, the math about the right lynches left is not completely accurate. :)

-------
Can anybody explain to me, Winston's role? And why the scum needs a tracker? I'm not trying to defend Pizza, but trying to understand the game.

As i already said, i did not understand Winston's role either. Hence i was convinced his claim was fake.
The scum dont need a tracker. If Pizza is scum, he is probably not the tracker. Do we have any verifiable results from his tracking?
Hopefully i will have some time to read up on a few things tomorrow.

atheotes

10-04-2016, 18:01

It has nothing to do with Pizza's read on him, and everything to do with Murska's behaviour yesterday.

So, Murska is your top suspect?
What do you think about GH?

Dp101

10-04-2016, 18:04

So, Murska is your top suspect?
What do you think about GH?

Haven't liked him so far, I could see him working with Pelican and faking his claim by claiming actions on his buddy. OTOH I'm tired of losing power roles, so I don't particularly want to lynch him.

Pelican

10-04-2016, 19:54

Ah screw it, tone is all I have at this point, and tonewise Pizza is innocent. Vote: Murska because I still don't like his behaviour towards the Monty wagon yesterday. Still worry tha I'm just jumping on the scummiest townie that a mafia Pizza found, but whatever, I'm past caring at this point. The game is probably already lost.

Can you explain the tone read on Pizza? And while you're at it can you spell out the logic for Murska? From where I'm sitting it's still "lynch Pizza or lose the game" right now, but I don't want to contribute to a town loss because I wasn't willing to consider a world where Pizza is town. If Pizza is town, what's the scum team?

Also, Murska, I'll ask again: Why did you unvote Pizza yesterday? In fact, can you spell out your whole voting pattern yesterday for us? Because I had a theory for a while that fit strongly with what I know of your town meta, but I don't understand a lot of your votes yesterday, and I don't want to rely on assumptions when I can hear it from the horse's mouth.

Basically what I'm getting at is that, this lynch being crucial, we need complete transparency of thought. "Screw it I'm voting Murska" is not going to cut it, nor are lists of names and one sentence posts with votes.

I have work now, but at the next opportunity I'll be back to spell out my thoughts about all of the remaining players to the best of my ability, and to put forth the case against Pizza as clearly as I can.

Riedquat

10-04-2016, 20:11

I a dismissing your theory simply based on your VC and the fact that if the scum were all human, you are not really neutral. Murska has been scummy based on tone. But GH and Pizza are way above him in the POE
What do you think about GH?

Well... heck! I'm neutral and need to save robots and Fry, I really do not see the incompatibility between my role and the scum being humans.

GH is scummy as heck but I do not see a scum GH fabricating those moronic night actions... less yet claiming when he did and without any pressure.

As i already said, i did not understand Winston's role either. Hence i was convinced his claim was fake.
The scum dont need a tracker. If Pizza is scum, he is probably not the tracker. Do we have any verifiable results from his tracking?
Hopefully i will have some time to read up on a few things tomorrow.

It doesn't make sense, right. If scum Pizza didn't track anyone he still got the result from a tracker, Winston didn't lie, he scanned jht, Pizza claimed first Winston scanned jht, so again we are stuck with a tracker being scum... if the tracker is not scum, neither is pizza, or the mafia has a tracker... Now I'm dizzy! :dizzy2:

Dp101

10-04-2016, 20:57

I see Pizza as town because his little mental breakdown while I was sleeping didn't feel like mafia. Murska is again because of his odd comments on the abortive Monty wagon yesterday, and a general scummy feel from his posts. If pizza is mafia then I want to say mafia are Murska Monty GH and maybe you, but past the first 2 that list is uncertain.

Dp101

10-04-2016, 21:12

I would just like to state for the record that when we inevitably lose, you can all blame me. I have done way too much waffling and sheeping this game, and I don't really know how to break out of it.

Zack

10-04-2016, 21:20

Tally as of post 2729:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Murska (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717246#post2053717246), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717302#post2053717302), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717359#post2053717359))
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717240#post2053717240), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053717299#post2053717299))

Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Murska

atheotes

Askthepizzaguy

Murska

Murska

Zack

10-04-2016, 21:21

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

not voting - al sips, atheotes, pelican, riedquat

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 22:10

Okay, give me time to process this.

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 22:11

Pizza, I think I liked your walls better.

GeneralHankerchief

10-04-2016, 22:14

Dp101

10-04-2016, 23:34

General, you gathered your thoughts yet? Got a list of mafia?

Riedquat

10-05-2016, 00:34

Riedquat, correct me if I'm wrong, but your rationale for putting Murska firmly in the scum pile is that (theoretically) his cover role is human and that all of the dead good'uns have been robots, right?

Rationale? What the flying heck are you talking about, I admitted it is/was pure paranoia, I just wanted to know who was who given all the reveals and the info at hand, and as I don't have a clue about the show's characters followed the link on Murska's claim and found about the killbots and his relation with Larry/Khaan and later on the mafia is MomCorp, Mom being his wife... at the time I didn't think about the cover role, so in favor of Murska towniness is the lack of a cover role or his cover is like mine or yours I'd assume? I'm a vanilla townie Bender! So no, it is not firmly there.

I would just like to state for the record that when we inevitably lose, you can all blame me. I have done way too much waffling and sheeping this game, and I don't really know how to break out of it.

If this guy is scum, he deserves a statue or something!

Honestly, the scum played flawlessly! Town has played terrible (me included of course), look back at the dead townies, all pointing to lynch other townies... If town wins, it would be 45% accident, 40% luck and 10% the kumquat effect! :laugh4:

Of course, if we lose we can also attribute it to the kumquat effect!

GeneralHankerchief

10-05-2016, 00:37

Rationale? What the flying heck are you talking about, I admitted it is/was pure paranoia, I just wanted to know who was who given all the reveals and the info at hand, and as I don't have a clue about the show's characters followed the link on Murska's claim and found about the killbots and his relation with Larry/Khaan and later on the mafia is MomCorp, Mom being his wife... at the time I didn't think about the cover role, so in favor of Murska towniness is the lack of a cover role or his cover is like mine or yours I'd assume? I'm a vanilla townie Bender! So no, it is not firmly there.

Rats, I was hoping for a nice easy "my night actions said he is scum" round. I have to do work this phase? isufhgoiuashdigas

Riedquat

10-05-2016, 00:51

Rats, I was hoping for a nice easy "my night actions said he is scum" round. I have to do work this phase? isufhgoiuashdigas

Yes! And do not be lazy! :whip:

Murska

10-05-2016, 00:55

I unvoted Pizza because people I was suspicious of, specifically Cuth, voted for him and I thought to give it time and see what'd spring up from a counterwagon. The wagon on Cuth started way too fast so I moved on GH whom I still think is definitely scum instead.

Murska

10-05-2016, 00:58

I would note that the only way Town is doing this poorly is that someone has been actively leading us astray, and that I haven't done that, having hardly been active all game.

Dp101

10-05-2016, 01:24

As you say, someone, not necessarily the whole team. Some might play different roles.

Dp101

10-05-2016, 02:59

Please someone I feel good about make a case I can feel good about.

GeneralHankerchief

10-05-2016, 04:36

Please someone I feel good about make a case I can feel good about.

Basically me right now.

(I'll be more active tomorrow during work hours, hopefully)

Montmorency

10-05-2016, 05:00

Ultima ratio: Town Pizza doesn't act like this and survive to the endgame. Town Pizza would have been lynched long ago with this behavior.

atheotes

10-05-2016, 05:49

Ultima ratio: Town Pizza doesn't act like this and survive to the endgame. Town Pizza would have been lynched long ago with this behavior.

this i tend to agree with.

What is your take on GH?

Montmorency

10-05-2016, 06:00

GH has been town, even if he looks too lazy. Perhaps even because of it.

Look, GH is as experienced a player as Pizza, and he has his own way of doing things. The only way the space taken by GH here could be scum is if Pizza has based his whole strategy on making his relationship to GH a headgame.

But GH isn't just a body to fill space, and he wouldn't go with such a crude or Pizza-centered plan. He would be carrying on a separate strand of activity. His behavior taken alone just doesn't make sense with a GH-Pizza team.

Pelican

10-05-2016, 06:18

Pretty must dropping in to put a vote on Vote: Pizza just in case I can't be around tomorrow. I know this is shitty given my last post, but I genuinely will not have a spare moment that isn't taken up by work, class, or schoolwork until probably around 7 or 8 o clock tomorrow.

Quick answers to the things I addressed earlier: I guess I can see why you think Pizza meltdown would be town, DP, but it could also be the death-throes of a maf who expects to swing today. Based on the theatrics and Antics™ the whole thing feels artificial to me (the song lyrics and videos and stuff...I don't buy as part of a frustrated townie meltdown) Winston's theory about a Monty and Pizza elaborate bussing scheme is also fresh in my mind and something I want to consider; maybe there's something to it, maybe not. I need to look at their reactions to it when it was initially brought up and reread some of their interactions to see how genuine this all looks.

As for Murska, explanation was not what I was expecting, but it represents a townie attitude well enough. If we're not willing to bet the game on lynching Pizza, I'd rather bet on someone other than Murska. Like I could maybe support an Al Sips lynch as he's my top contender for Pizza teammate, potentially GH, but I need to reread him first and understand the case against him better, I haven't been paying much attention to his posts, especially since his claim came right as my ability to commit time to this game radically decreased. But this is only if we still can't get a Pizza lynch for whatever ungodly reason.

Dp101

10-05-2016, 07:03

Arrrgh, I hate having to waffle like this. I can't really imagine a mafia breaking down at this stage, where they have basically already won. But then again, I really don't understand Pizza, so anything is possible. I agree with the Al lynch, and am not entirely sure on the "Pizza should have been lynched by now" theory, it assumes the mafia have had way more power than seems reasonable. I guess my main reason why I don't really want to kill Pizza is it will mean that I have completely failed in this game, letting part of my supposed town core lynch the other half and then finding out that half of it was mafia. I really don't want to be that wrong about things, but it increasingly looks like the only possible choice. Only definite thing I want to state right now is that there is no way the Monty/Pizza interaction is v/v, at least one of them will need to swing for us to win.

Murska

10-05-2016, 08:07

Vote for one of them?

Askthepizzaguy

10-05-2016, 12:11

As i already said, i did not understand Winston's role either. Hence i was convinced his claim was fake.
The scum dont need a tracker. If Pizza is scum, he is probably not the tracker. Do we have any verifiable results from his tracking?
Hopefully i will have some time to read up on a few things tomorrow.

Winston flipped town and I said exactly where he was moving the night prior.

I can't know that in any other way other than I'm a tracker, I'm a scum tracker, or there's a scum tracker on my scum team and they told me.