Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Stork]

i really did try to lynch wolves fwiw

[Zack]

Day is over. DO NOT POST.

[Zack]

Official Tally

9 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn, al sips)

5 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

[Zack]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/futurama-intro-cards-9.jpg


Zack: "And who die much, today shall?"

Professor Farnsworth: "A stupid question asked in a profoundly stupid manner."

Zack: "Who?"

Stork.

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"What a pleasure it is to see my lifetime of accomplishment summed up in a three-minute film." - Stork

https://i.imgur.com/35Y7Er0.png

Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth


Player: Stork

Role: Professor Farnsworth (https://theinfosphere.org/Farnsworth)

Faction: FARNSWORTH (THIRD-PARTY)

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"Damn it, Mom! No one kills my crew except for me! You're going down."
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It is now Night Three.

Night actions due by: tunnel snakes rule

[Zack]

Alive: 15

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 3

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth

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Killed: 4

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan

[Zack]

You may now post.

[Cuthillius]

Well then.

[El Barto]

Any lynch that is not a townie is a good lynch, especially if it's a meatbag.

[Cuthillius]

I'm okay with lynching Pizza tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, that explains the lack of a real counter-wagon.

[Cuthillius]

Any lynch that is not a townie is a good lynch, especially if it's a meatbag.

It's not at the stage of the game where mafia lynches are crucial, but mafia>3p still much better even now.

[El Barto]

It's not at the stage of the game where mafia lynches are crucial, but mafia>3p still much better even now.
Not necessarily. We don't know the numbers of either, so culling them must be done at any chance. A non-town non-vanilla role's gone down, and my shiny metal ass is right safe and tight tonight.

[Cuthillius]

Not necessarily. We don't know the numbers of either, so culling them must be done at any chance. A non-town non-vanilla role's gone down, and my shiny metal ass is right safe and tight tonight.

meh

he's probably not a serial killer

he's not a cultist

i would rather he have been scum

[El Barto]

Of course, but we've a) gotten rid of a non-native b) not reduced the number of townies and b) established that my reads are right. Bending units for. the. win.

[Dp101]

Well, at least I wasn't completely wrong. Doesn't change the alignment of anyone voting for them however, because mafia would probably assume that they were town.

[El Barto]

Amy! (@BSmith): thoughts, girl?

[Riedquat]

Of course, but we've a) gotten rid of a non-native b) not reduced the number of townies and b) established that my reads are right. Bending units for. the. win.

Tonight I will take a leak of battery acid in your grave brother, just to rust your metal ass!

[El Barto]

Tonight I will take a leak of battery acid in your grave brother, just to rust your metal ass!
And for this you should be lynched.

[Riedquat]

And for this you should be lynched.

And what will happen with your bending units for the win then?

[El Barto]

And what will happen with your bending units for the win then?
Not the ones who steal my wife!

[El Barto]

Can anyone locate Qubert Farnsworth and/or Stephen J. Fry?

[Dp101]

I am Nixon, if full character claims is what you wanted.

[Montmorency]

Unless that's a role-claim, I don't think it's too useful to say our flavor identities.

Also, Farnsworth third-party is a very suboptimal lynch, despite the ravings of our dead robot here.

[Dp101]

Yeah, it isn't a role claim, I don't think the characters matter. Unless they do, in which case mine is here for future reference.

[El Barto]

Also, Farnsworth third-party is a very suboptimal lynch, despite the ravings of our dead robot here.
I didn't say it was optimal or the best result ever, you organic dummy. I just said that all non-town lynches are good, as we have to eliminate them at some point.

[Cuthillius]

I didn't say it was optimal or the best result ever, you organic dummy. I just said that all non-town lynches are good, as we have to eliminate them at some point.

depending on win conditions, potentially

[Montmorency]

as we have to eliminate them at some point.

Not as a rule. Bender here, for example, is a good example. Survivor role rarely means 'Sole Survivor'.

[Montmorency]

I apologize for redundancy.

[El Barto]

depending on win conditions, potentially
Better than outright town, and Stork was playing dismally. Your ass only gets away with being scummy if it's my shiny metal one.

Not as a rule. Bender here, for example, is a good example. Survivor role rarely means 'Sole Survivor'.
Yeah, well, but with that wife-stealing shyster and bad cook it's personal.

[Dp101]

I have a couple theories as to who is mafia now, should I post them while they are fresh and I might be able to coherently explain them, or should I wait so mafia has less time to decide on the kill influenced by my list? Not that I have very much influence over the town as it is, but it is still a concern.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have a couple theories as to who is mafia now, should I post them while they are fresh and I might be able to coherently explain them, or should I wait so mafia has less time to decide on the kill influenced by my list? Not that I have very much influence over the town as it is, but it is still a concern.

Do it as close to deadline as you can.

[Montmorency]

Type it down now if it helps, just don't post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since I'm going to get blocked tonight, I don't suppose it matters. But who should you guys want information on?

Or probably even draw that kill so some actual work gets done tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to be curious about choxorn unless someone has a better suggestion.

[Cuthillius]

I'm going to be curious about choxorn unless someone has a better suggestion.

GH, novice, murska all better choices imo

[Dp101]

Checking on the lurkers is probably a decent idea, just so we can get some info out of them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

9 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn, al sips)

5 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

Top 4 suspects in red then orange, fleshed out the reasons why on most of them.

Top 4 townie guesses in blue plus myself, said why on all of those repeatedly and at length.

By role, I have no reason to suspect those in green

No idea about john, novice, or atheotes. Based on the vote record, leaning against it being novice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Checking on the lurkers is probably a decent idea, just so we can get some info out of them.

Unfortunately I don't have any useful info on the ones I've already checked.

Let's hope choxorn is as scummy as his iso says he is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Off to school. Thanks for deciding against lynching me, however halfheartedly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reidquat is still anti-town, btw.

[Zack]

Please don't post if you're not in the game.

[Cuthillius]

Please don't post if you're not in the game.

who are you to tell a spambot what to do

[Choxorn]

Farnsworth could very well have been a threat to us, and I'm honestly a bit surprised Stork never claimed to be a non-threatening third party role like Riedquat did, he was clearly the leading lynch for a while and it couldn't have hurt him to claim his role.

[Murska]

Doesn't matter. We can analyse the wagon as if it we're town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doesn't matter. We can analyse the wagon as if it we're town.

Do tell your interesting findings.

[atheotes]

I have a couple theories as to who is mafia now, should I post them while they are fresh and I might be able to coherently explain them, or should I wait so mafia has less time to decide on the kill influenced by my list? Not that I have very much influence over the town as it is, but it is still a concern.

I look forward to reading these SOD tomorrow.

[atheotes]

I'm going to be curious about choxorn unless someone has a better suggestion.

I would prefer Cuth but will not be disappointed if you decided on Chox.

[Newyn]

Based on that list Pizza posted, I'm going to call him scum.

[Murska]

Do tell your interesting findings.

I already mentioned a few. I'll see about the later reactions once I have time. Interesting how many people went all 'this isn't so bad' when we failed to catch maf.

[novice]

If this is about D1, ...



Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.


Until I didn't. Read my posts, meatbag.

Read mine, metal-ass. I was talking about day two, as described in post 1454 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053714962&viewfull=1#post2053714962). Winston voted Crimson for being confusing about his vig claim. You then said it was "not a bad vote", which is high praise of a meatbag, coming from you.

[El Barto]

who are you to tell a spambot what to do
Nobody tells robots what to do!

Doesn't matter. We can analyse the wagon as if it we're town.
Freudian slip detected!

[Montmorency]

Freudian slip detected!

You amused me, strong-ass. Good work.

[El Barto]

Read mine, metal-ass. I was talking about day two, as described in post 1454 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053714962&viewfull=1#post2053714962). Winston voted Crimson for being confusing about his vig claim. You then said it was "not a bad vote", which is high praise of a meatbag, coming from you.
Then next time provide actual reference, rookie-boy. With insufficient and inaccurate information, the odds of achieving the proper result diminish dramatically.

You amused me, strong-ass. Good work.
I suspect it would have amused you even more if I had detected a Freudian boxer.

[Murska]

Technically it's an autocorrect slip, but if you want more evidence I'm Town, feel free to assume it was a Freudian one.

[Cuthillius]

Technically it's an autocorrect slip, but if you want more evidence I'm Town, feel free to assume it was a Freudian one.

how did the assassination go

[El Barto]

Dp101: you have an hour and a half to go.

[Dp101]

Well aware.

[El Barto]

Five minutes according to the timer, Dp101!

[Dp101]

The below was written just after the start of the night, my feelings may have changed only partially since then, these are just my overall assumptions for the game, and my main point still probably stands. I know this isn't the super 1337 :59 post, but whatever.



Ok, so right now I'm faced with a problem. Stork's wagon wasn't really close at all, he had half the town pushing him. However, looking at the remaining town, our lack of found mafia, the likelihood that >50% of the mafia are lurking, and the how to powerwolf article I just read, I would have to be an idiot at this point not to assume that I have been pocketed by at least one mafia, and there is decent chance that a decent portion of the active town are all mafia. Since I don't want to get swept, at this stage I need to evaluate candidates that have both read me as town and have a decent chance of being mafia. So, in no particular order:

Pelican

Early on I liked his play, while his posts were infrequent they seemed to be of reasonably high quality. However, lately, I have been desiring more out of him. While he did pronounce me town ages ago, he was most certainly not the first to do so, so its a pretty easy pocket that wasn't that risky given that he had at least a couple of people backing up that read. Overall, this might change if he posts more, because I don't really understand his current reads. Currently back to null because his early reads are no longer up to the required standard that should be expected at this stage.

Cuthillius

IIRC Cuth was the first one to pronounce me town forever and ever. He also kept it up even when I was disagreeing with him, which IMO shows that he wasn't just doing it solely to stop me from voting him, as I think mafia would have given up. However, as mentioned, I can't trust anyone right now, even if their reads are very similar to mine and I have been agreeing on most every point. Probably not going to lynch right now, as I think I must have been working with at least a couple of townies, and cuth is one of the most likely for that position.

ATPG

Worst case scenario. Judging by how other people have reacted to his reads, I get the feeling that if he was wolfing, I would have no way to tell. Basically I think I have to not lynch right now because if he is mafia then I doubt I will be able to get enough people together to kill him, and TBH we probably will have already lost.

Most of the rest of the wagon is either mostly inactive or has never really read me as town, so my opinion of them doesn't change after the lynch because I was more likely to kill them than the above already, which if my tinfoil theory of everyone I have been working with is mafia is right, means that they are probably town

Well, I thought this would take longer and I would write more. Basically, my main lynch target is still Winston because I disliked him on the wagon, but I might watch those mentioned above a little more. I still have my eye on Monty, but that theory doesn't really make sense with the flips so far. Really I'm just trying to reassess my reads and stop just following along with other people.

[Zack]

Night is over. DO NOT POST.

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/xCQagOO.jpg


Zack: "What's the word, officers?"

Smitty: "There's a new body, sir."

Zack: "A new one?"

URL: "Awwww yeah."

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"I'm sure those windmills will keep them cool." - Newyn

https://i.imgur.com/Gopm5bZ.png

Linda van Schoonhoven

Player: Newyn

Role: Linda (https://theinfosphere.org/Linda)

Faction: TOWN

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It is now Day Four.

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Zack]

Alive: 14

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 3

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth

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Killed: 5

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda

[Zack]

You can post.

[Montmorency]

Worst case scenario. Judging by how other people have reacted to his reads, I get the feeling that if he was wolfing, I would have no way to tell. Basically I think I have to not lynch right now because if he is mafia then I doubt I will be able to get enough people together to kill him, and TBH we probably will have already lost.

???

You mean, we can't just Vote: Pizza?

So, Newyn died. Good hit for Pizza without killing a high-profile detractor such as myself, and I still remember Winston and Pelican. Perhaps the latter as scum toned down his activity once his partner Khaan bit it. At any rate, he seems to be riding coattails at this point. Doesn't mean I won't take his vote on Pizza, of course.

If there are any more roles out there, do not claim. This game has been a role massacre.

[El Barto]

Claim, Mr. Pizza, instead of threatening to. If the town has a protector, he can be dispatched to save your sorry organic ass.

(we can always lynch that filthy Bender, an inferior, goatee-less, wife-stealing unit)

[Montmorency]

With 4 town roles dead, I'm pretty sure Bender is the closest thing to protector we can hope for.

[El Barto]

Yeah, well, but my shiny metal ass is playing in character.

[Montmorency]

Isn't Flexo supposed to be a nice guy?

[Dp101]

???

You mean, we can't just Vote: Pizza?

So, Newyn died. Good hit for Pizza without killing a high-profile detractor such as myself, and I still remember Winston and Pelican. Perhaps the latter as scum toned down his activity once his partner Khaan bit it. At any rate, he seems to be riding coattails at this point. Doesn't mean I won't take his vote on Pizza, of course.

If there are any more roles out there, do not claim. This game has been a role massacre.

Oh, I understand, we can just vote pizza, but I'm really worried that if I do so I'm just going to wind up sabotaging town via my paranoia if I am wrong.

[El Barto]

Isn't Flexo supposed to be a nice guy?
No he isn't!

I'm joking. I am a nice guy, it's just that Bender who tried to kill me a couple times and framed me for some jewel-theft and let me be killed on Night One!

Oh, I understand, we can just vote pizza, but I'm really worried that if I do so I'm just going to wind up sabotaging town via my paranoia if I am wrong.
You can always undo the waggon. If everyone votes pizza then you have some mafia meatbags in there. Unvote atpg and analyse how the others interact.

[Dp101]

But now that won't work because you just told me to do it. Essentially the main problem with trying to learn the game as you play.

[Riedquat]

With 4 town roles dead, I'm pretty sure Bender is the closest thing to protector we can hope for.

I wish to have your confidence in my own abilities! But at least my doctoroing is functional, got informed at the beginning of the night but for the time being I'm stuck with the same target.

[Cuthillius]

vote:pizza

[GeneralHankerchief]

Underexplained reads:

GH

Riedquat: No way he's not town.
Dp101: Really strong past night phase. Don't see him following these thought patterns if not mafia.
Monty: Looks like typical town Monty.

ATPG: I think the flavor of pizza we're getting this game is "town but off base".
Murska: Looked decent enough EoD yesterday.
Choxorn: He *looks* town, but there needs to be more.

Pelican: Coasting. Dropping.

The "I got nothing" group:
Al Sips
atheotes
jht

Cuthilius: Need to concentrate on him today.

Residual suspects from earlier:
novice
Winston

[GeneralHankerchief]

edit to above re: DP101: should read "don't see him following these patterns if not mafia"

[Cuthillius]

Underexplained reads:

GH

Riedquat: No way he's not town.
Dp101: Really strong past night phase. Don't see him following these thought patterns if not mafia.
Monty: Looks like typical town Monty.

ATPG: I think the flavor of pizza we're getting this game is "town but off base".
Murska: Looked decent enough EoD yesterday.
Choxorn: He *looks* town, but there needs to be more.

Pelican: Coasting. Dropping.

The "I got nothing" group:
Al Sips
atheotes
jht

Cuthilius: Need to concentrate on him today.

Residual suspects from earlier:
novice
Winston

explain how choxorn looks town

explain why you get that vibe from pizza

because your comment about pizza looks really bad to me

[Montmorency]

Riedquat: No way he's not town.

Specifically, he claims Neutral Survivor.

[Cuthillius]

to be specific it looks like a comment one scum buddy makes about another

reading them town despite their "off-base" vibe

such a wonderful excuse

[El Barto]

But now that won't work because you just told me to do it. Essentially the main problem with trying to learn the game as you play.
Can't be helped, you're not a robot.

I wish to have your confidence in my own abilities! But at least my doctoroing is functional, got informed at the beginning of the night but for the time being I'm stuck with the same target.
See, Monty? He helps others but not me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

explain how choxorn looks town

explain why you get that vibe from pizza

because your comment about pizza looks really bad to me

Choxorn looks town to me because he looks town to me.

I get that vibe from pizza because I don't think he acts like this when he's scummy but I think his reads are off base.

Hope this helps ~:wave:

[El Barto]

Choxorn looks town to me because he looks town to me.
And you look like a GeneralHankerchief because you look like a GeneralHankerchief to me.

Of course it helps! Well, no, it doesn't.

[Cuthillius]

I'd be quite willing to vote you, GH

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd be quite willing to vote you, GH

Okay cool.

[Cuthillius]

takh what's your take on pizza

[El Barto]

Who's takh?

[Cuthillius]

Who's takh?

just tell me

[El Barto]

Tell you what?

[Dp101]

Can we lynch already dead vanilla townies?

[Cuthillius]

Tell you what?

what you think about atpg in this game we are playing in right now

particularly about his alignment

[Pelican]

I still think the case on Pizza is incredibly strong, so I'll go ahead and vote:Pizza again today. For the time being, this is where my focus is, and it will likely remain here until Pizza is lynched or the case is satisfactorily refuted. As it is, I don't think my primary arguments (Pizza's haphazard voting for every leading wagon on the day of BSmith's lynch and his halfhearted Choxorn vote + token analysis + misplaced piling on against Stork yesterday) have been refuted.

Murska's moving steadily up the town meter: he feels totally relaxed and natural and I've tended to agree with his recent reads.

DP still town, no news there.

A couple others contingent on Pizza scuminess: General Handkerchief and Choxorn specifically would be where I'd look for wolf partners.

I'll say tentatively that Cuth is likely town if Pizza is scum, if he is serious about supporting the Pizza lynch today. I don't think bussing Pizza in this situation is part of Cuth's wolf playbook.

Beyond that, I'm surprised that Al Sipsclar hasn't gotten more attention than he has. I feel like a couple of his posts, and his play in general this game, has pinged me more than once, and I was actually surprised that it didn't ping any of the out of towners/big guns in the thread like Visor or Cuth. In fact, I don't think I can recall any commentary on his play so far, and given that we can probably bet on at least one wolf among the lurker population, this might be a good angle to explore. He's certainly in the sweet spot for not being noticed. Somene explained how to do an ISO on this site earlier, I'm pretty sure, but I can't find it; how would one go about that if they were so inclined?

[El Barto]

Can we lynch already dead vanilla townies?
I totally agree!

Wait, no. You can't lynch dead people. It would be silly and a waste of time.

what you think about atpg in this game we are playing in right now

particularly about his alignment
That he could very well be mafia. The man stated outright he wouldn't answer my queries. Also, if enough people vote for him he'll write a strongly-worded letter, so we might get something outta it. And he even preannounces his absences!

[El Barto]

So, meatbags: Uncle Flexo recommends that you lynch Stork, Pelican and Montmorency (mafia) and also kumquat (cereal killer or perhaps cultmeister?)
I've just reread this. Pelican and Montmorency, together, starting the pizza-waggon? As fishy as a bowl of unagi, boys and girls.

Murska's moving steadily up the town meter: he feels totally relaxed and natural and I've tended to agree with his recent reads.
Yeah, what? If one of you flips scum the other is >50% scum.

Lynch the flappy bird!

[Montmorency]

I would agree.

What do you have to say about Winston, Pelican?

[Dp101]

I've just reread this. Pelican and Montmorency, together, starting the pizza-waggon? As fishy as a bowl of unagi, boys and girls.

Yeah, what? If one of you flips scum the other is >50% scum.

Lynch the flappy bird!

Ehh, isn't the worst idea. Still wish I could kill you on some level, but apparently killing already dead confirmed town is frowned upon. Who knew?

[Dp101]

Hey Monty, what do you make of the General and the lowposters?

[Montmorency]

I have liked GH all game, that's no secret.

Atheotes and Choxorn are noted lurkers, but I don't know what to expect from Sips. I've only played one game with him, and there he was acting like you.

[novice]

I'm not entirely up to date, but it seems pretty clear we should get a full claim from Pizza now.

Vote: Pizza

[atheotes]

???

You mean, we can't just Vote: Pizza?

So, Newyn died. Good hit for Pizza without killing a high-profile detractor such as myself, and I still remember Winston and Pelican. Perhaps the latter as scum toned down his activity once his partner Khaan bit it. At any rate, he seems to be riding coattails at this point. Doesn't mean I won't take his vote on Pizza, of course.

If there are any more roles out there, do not claim. This game has been a role massacre.

I am waiting for pizza to claim.

[Winston Hughes]

You ever had the feeling that whatever you say is going to be dead wrong, and even if by some miracle it wasn't you're still going to get mislynched for it anyway?

Meh. I don't think pizza is scum, if for no other reason than I don't see him wasting so much scumcapital by acting so sure that I'm town.

Based on the ultra-sophisticated scum-finding algorithms of my patented Pointatpeoplewholookconfident-o-tron, it's probably something like Monty/Murska/Dp101.

Back after work to completely flip on that and probably make a weak-ass case on someone like choxorn or Al being pizza's scumbuddy.

[Dp101]

You ever had the feeling that whatever you say is going to be dead wrong, and even if by some miracle it wasn't you're still going to get mislynched for it anyway?

Yes, well minus the mislynch part because I apparently can do no wrong.

[Murska]

how did the assassination go

Got one, though not in the beautiful manner I'd planned. Just stabbed the poor guy to death in an elevator.

I want to lynch GeneralHankerchief, and Pizza. In that order, but only by a little bit, so...

Vote: ATPG

[atheotes]

edit to above re: DP101: should read "don't see him following these patterns if not mafia"

it would be very funny if you are both scum! show we lynch you and find out? :eyebrows:

[Dp101]

it would be very funny if you are both scum! show we lynch you and find out? :eyebrows:

Where is this suspicion of me coming from? Or is this completely hypothetical?

[atheotes]

Where is this suspicion of me coming from? Or is this completely hypothetical?

That was mostly a joke as i have GH as null.


Yes, well minus the mislynch part because I apparently can do no wrong.



I was townreading you for the most part. Of late i am getting scum vibes from you. it is still in the tin foil territory and probably not worth looking at today.

[atheotes]

I'm not entirely up to date, but it seems pretty clear we should get a full claim from Pizza now.

Vote: Pizza

I seem to have missed this. What are your reasons for voting Pizza?

[Dp101]

I interpreted that as a pressure vote to try and get a claim rather than a lynch candidate vote.

[atheotes]

I interpreted that as a pressure vote to try and get a claim rather than a lynch candidate vote.

:rolleyes: I would rather hear his reasons from him.

[novice]

Yeah it's just my way of saying "please claim".

[novice]

I'm completely in sync with Winston's latest posts.

[Dp101]

obv scum mindmeld then :P

[atheotes]

Yeah it's just my way of saying "please claim".

Do you think he is scum?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Action failed.


Also, keeping track of all the information can be a bit of a pain in the, er, ass.
Role

(sigh)

I'll get the powder, sir.
Character's quote.

Kif Kroker, tracker. I mined the quote online, because the quote that came provided for me was a Zapp Brannigan quote, so if I posted that, some fool would have thought I was claiming to be Zapp.

Al went nowhere, Newyn went nowhere. And if I get day killed at this point, you can start killing the scumbags voting for me sooner.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Generalhankerchief

You've completely ignored the lack of a case against you, yet I keep mentioning your name as scum. Town you would have dug into that more.

You're marking me down as wrong town so you'll have some credibility after I die, imo.

Murksa is most likely to be your partner with the "I'd rather lynch GH, but..." nonsense.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you day kill me, Riedquat, I'd actually consider it a personal favor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Noticed we're allowed to post these, and since it's Zack, scums have these as well. So it's meaningless, but someone's gonna ask.


Use a brush, you dunderhead! And mix these mixed nuts. I see two almonds touching!





Fourth Lieutenant Kif Kroker




Player: Askthepizzaguy

Role: Kif Kroker (https://theinfosphere.org/kif)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Large Eyes See All (Tracker). At night, use your larger-than-human eyeballs to target another player and see who, if anyone, they visited.

[atheotes]

interesting. this should resolve itself. Hopefully Pizza can get another result.

in the meanwhile Vote: GH

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not entirely up to date, but it seems pretty clear we should get a full claim from Pizza now.

Vote: Pizza

^This post is pure skating.

[Murska]

Fine.

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Generalhankerchief

You've completely ignored the lack of a case against you, yet I keep mentioning your name as scum. Town you would have dug into that more.

You're marking me down as wrong town so you'll have some credibility after I die, imo.

Murksa is most likely to be your partner with the "I'd rather lynch GH, but..." nonsense.

In case you haven't noticed, I haven't done much digging on anyone this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dig on Murska, tell me what you find.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll tell you straight up what I'm thinking. Given:


Underexplained reads:

GH

Riedquat: No way he's not town.
Dp101: Really strong past night phase. Don't see him following these thought patterns if not mafia.
Monty: Looks like typical town Monty.

ATPG: I think the flavor of pizza we're getting this game is "town but off base".
Murska: Looked decent enough EoD yesterday. <------------
Choxorn: He *looks* town, but there needs to be more.

Pelican: Coasting. Dropping.

The "I got nothing" group:
Al Sips
atheotes
jht

Cuthilius: Need to concentrate on him today.

Residual suspects from earlier:
novice
Winston
This, plus Murska's willingness to push you, but your hesitation to push him, indicates to me that you're at the very least not the mafia roleblocker. Otherwise you'd need to be alive again tonight, in case Reidquat could actually protect me (hah!) or someone else could.

Or you could be town and slacking off pretty hard. In either case, Murska still looks terrible to me right now.

The Mafia roleblocker is the one they're not gonna be willing to bus today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Dig on Murska, tell me what you find.

I'm about to leave for work, will try to see what I can do during the day. Otherwise it'll be tonight.

[Riedquat]

If you day kill me, Riedquat, I'd actually consider it a personal favor.

I'm sorry I don't have the ability!

There is a result missing for any particular reason?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry I don't have the ability!

There is a result missing for any particular reason?

No result tells me I was roleblocked.

That means any other town power in this game should have been able to perform their actions last night. Unsure if we have any left.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reidquat, do a full role claim. Omit stuff as you see fit, regarding the kind of person you have to protect or whatever.

I just want to see what you're willing to show.

[novice]

Do you think he is scum?

No, I don't.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Askthepizzaguy]

Novice, are you going to be in the thread for a bit?

[novice]

Novice, are you going to be in the thread for a bit?

On and off, I'll try to keep an eye on it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Describe for me what method you are currently using to find either townies or scums.

[novice]

Not much of a method at all, I'm reading along and seeing what transpires. Cherry-picking posts that seem promising for yielding insight and following cases other people make if I like them. Parts of the previous two phases I've just skimmed. Don't blame you for saying I'm skating.

Normally I would take a look at all the wagons of all days at this point, tagged with alignments. I don't have the tools to do that quickly here though nor the time/inclination to do it slowly.

Keep in mind I've been on mobile-only access for the last five RL days.

[novice]

By the way, this would be a good time for Monty to demonstrate what insight he's gained from tight-lippedly observing interactions and whatnot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not much of a method at all, I'm reading along and seeing what transpires. Cherry-picking posts that seem promising for yielding insight and following cases other people make if I like them. Parts of the previous two phases I've just skimmed. Don't blame you for saying I'm skating.

Normally I would take a look at all the wagons of all days at this point, tagged with alignments. I don't have the tools to do that quickly here though nor the time/inclination to do it slowly.

Keep in mind I've been on mobile-only access for the last five RL days.

I accept the RL explanation, but when you're here in the thread, you need to come up with a method of scum-hunting that you can do, if not vote analysis.

However, I am at a laptop and I can gather the end of day votes for you.

If I do that, will you do something with it?

[novice]

However, I am at a laptop and I can gather the end of day votes for you.

If I do that, will you do something with it?

To be glib - I'll color-code it. Maybe more, depending on what that shows. I mean, the insight may not be super impressive, it's just something that should be done at this point.


I accept the RL explanation, but when you're here in the thread, you need to come up with a method of scum-hunting that you can do, if not vote analysis.

To be glibber - sheeping you isn't a method of scumhunting, then?
I agree I need to do better, but right now I can only skate. That way I'm at least up to speed on current discussion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sheeping, not really. Right now sheeping me is the easiest way for mafia to skate and is also anti-analysis.

[Askthepizzaguy]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one


6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.


9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)
End of Day Three.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll tell you straight up what I'm thinking. Given:


This, plus Murska's willingness to push you, but your hesitation to push him, indicates to me that you're at the very least not the mafia roleblocker. Otherwise you'd need to be alive again tonight, in case Reidquat could actually protect me (hah!) or someone else could.

Or you could be town and slacking off pretty hard. In either case, Murska still looks terrible to me right now.

The Mafia roleblocker is the one they're not gonna be willing to bus today.

Okay let me just ask you a quick question since this is easier than doing in-thread research and I don't know how much time I have:

How likely is the possibility that there *is* a mafia roleblocker? I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere in the thread. I know the possibility of a rolecop was brought up earlier and I think that more closely jives with what we've seen to this point. Based off what we know, is it likely that both are present?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only way there's no mafia roleblocker is if choxorn has a kind of ability that blocks trackers, because as I said, I got no result last night.

I don't think that's likely. And given we have a vig, having the mafia have no roleblocker would be a bad design.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's also the possibility of a town roleblocker. By all means they should probably claim if that's the case. Especially given my personal rule about roleblockers.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There's also the possibility of a town roleblocker. By all means they should probably claim if that's the case. Especially given my personal rule about roleblockers.

Fine.

Hardclaim Jailkeeper.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you jailkeep me last night?

[GeneralHankerchief]

No.

[novice]

Any previous actions, GH?

Is there a way to quote a post and keep the quotes from the post you're quoting?

[Askthepizzaguy]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

--------------------------------------
6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

----------------------------------------------
9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't think there's a way on this board.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Any previous actions, GH?

Is there a way to quote a post and keep the quotes from the post you're quoting?

1) Yes, but I don't want to disclose them at this time.

2) I think unfortunately you just have to quote the posts individually.

[novice]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

--------------------------------------
6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

----------------------------------------------
9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

Thanks, ATPG.
Of course, now I have to go pick up the kids.

Quick thoughts - day 1 was all villagers on the block, in a vacuum I would expect scum to avoid clustering on the same targets, but their number one priority would be to place a "natural" vote, that would override clustering concerns. Day 2 is similar just looking at the end tally, if we believe Riedquat's claim. Day 3 also if Pizza is town.

Yeah that's exceptionally crappy analysis but I have to run. Thanks for compiling the votes anyway Pizza, I think it's something everyone should look at.

I'll return to it tonight and also see if I can adapt my browser plugin that does vote analysis to work with this forum.

[Cuthillius]

-.o

okay then

[Cuthillius]

I kinda want to lynch one from {jht, chox, al}

I believe Pizza about 50% right now, but I also don't really want to lynch the tracker. As it were.

[Dp101]

I agree with Novice's assessment of day 1, every wagon had at least 1 person I think are mafia on it. Day 2 initially looks like you can't get much out of it because there was only 1 major candidate, but IIRC Novice was a very close second place for much of the day leading up to deadline, but there were some last second switches that turned the vote as lopsided as it appears. Two ways to interpret this, one is that Novice was mafia and the BSmith wagon was designed to save him, and the other is that Novice is innocent and was the preferred lynch target of the mafia, but it didn't go through. The first theory is more coherent and feels like something mafia would do, but it isn't that hard to see random chance produce a similar result if the town was just engaging in groupthink and switched because other people were switching. Still, day 2 does not make Novice look that great.

Day 3 is odd. I'm still pretty sure that a lot of the mafia were on the Stork wagon, but the people on Pizza don't look great. Right now I kind of want Quat to claim before really going after him, and my pocketing paranoia makes me trust the Pizza voters a little more than perhaps I should, so I kind of want to wait and see on them right now. Really I just want one wolf to die, just one, so that I can finally have something concrete to look at.

[novice]

Khaan is dead. Did you look at him?

[Dp101]

Khaan is dead. Did you look at him?

Sorry, I meant wolf with a decent amount of posts. Khaan didn't have much other than bashing heads with Crimson a bunch, I honestly can't remember another action he did.

[novice]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

[novice]

You can read what other people said about Khaan. Someone listed it, probably Pizza.

[Dp101]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

I want to say you are mafia based off of day 2's votes, but it's hard to judge someone who hasn't been able to be around that much. I understand it's not your fault, it's just hard to work around.

[Dp101]

You can read what other people said about Khaan. Someone listed it, probably Pizza.

Good point, going to look for it. I don't remember there being much interesting stuff there, but any info beats no info.

[Cuthillius]

Also, at the risk of being too self-centered, not many people are being definite about me. I get the feeling I'm a planned endgame lynch for the mafia. Anybody want to give a stronger read on me?

eh, that's a wolfy thought

[novice]

Dp: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053715277&viewfull=1#post2053715277

[novice]

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.

I want Monty to be scum but blatant factual error is another minor town tell.

[Dp101]

Khaan wanted to save Monty and didn't like Pizza. Cuth, Atheotes and Pizza were the only ones that really tried to analyse Khaan in any detail. Atheotes condensed the thoughts on Khaan from the town down to a pretty good post, I will quote it next but don't know how to put a quote into a comment I already started writing.

[Dp101]

Dp: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053715277&viewfull=1#post2053715277

Ah, that shows the Atheotes post I was talking about, good. Thank you.

[Riedquat]

:stare: Forum keep eating my post...

Here you go Pizza, I've already told you this but here it is anyway, I've just omitted one of my VC's


I'm so excited I wish I could wet my pants.


https://i.imgur.com/UsmrMiJ.png


Bender Bending Rodriguez



Player: Riedquat

Role: Bender (https://theinfosphere.org/bender)

Faction: BENDER (NEUTRAL)


Team Victory Conditions:

Bender's victory is graded (at the host's discretion) on his ability to achieve the goals below, listed in no particular order.

- Survival. You, Bender, survive the game.

- Robot Prosperity. As many robots as possible survive the game (bonus points if Flexo survives too).

-

Abilities:

Kleptomania. Each Night, you may steal an item from another player, which will reveal their relation to your victory conditions, if any. This ability cannot be used on the same player twice.

Further the cause. After using "Kleptomania" on a player, you have a chance at gaining one use of this ability. Use it on the same player and you will protect him. You can use this ability and Kleptomania on the same night.

This metal is more than just shiny. Nightkill immunity on Night 1. This is a passive ability and it triggers automatically.

[Winston Hughes]

Fine.

Hardclaim Jailkeeper.

Which character?

[Winston Hughes]

Dp101

So, you say hadn't played mafia online before your game at RB, but how much have you played offline?

[atheotes]

Khaan wanted to save Monty and didn't like Pizza. Cuth, Atheotes and Pizza were the only ones that really tried to analyse Khaan in any detail. Atheotes condensed the thoughts on Khaan from the town down to a pretty good post, I will quote it next but don't know how to put a quote into a comment I already started writing.

i dont want to lynch you anymore :smitten:



Okay let me just ask you a quick question since this is easier than doing in-thread research and I don't know how much time I have:

How likely is the possibility that there *is* a mafia roleblocker? I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere in the thread. I know the possibility of a rolecop was brought up earlier and I think that more closely jives with what we've seen to this point. Based off what we know, is it likely that both are present?

You are sceptical that mafia might have roleblocker and rolecop? we already know we have 4 dead town PRs of some kind. we have neutral parties, seen a day kill, and have more PR claims and you are claiming jailkeeper. Yet, you think its unlikely for scum to have Roleblocker and Role cop? i call BS on this post. I dont believe GH's claim.

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 GeneralHankerchief (ATPG, atheotes, Murska, novice)

3 Askthepizzaguy (Monty, Cuth, Pelican)

---

4 Not Voting: Dp101, GH, Riedquat, Winston

3 Not Posting: Al Sips, Choxorn, JHT

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Riedquat]

eh, that's a wolfy thought

I have that thought every single game as vanilla townie past the midgame, and of course I usually end lynched in the engame :(

[Cuthillius]

I have that thought every single game as vanilla townie past the midgame, and of course I usually end lynched in the engame :(

not the thought per se, but saying it in thread

[Dp101]

Dp101

So, you say hadn't played mafia online before your game at RB, but how much have you played offline?

Like twice at parties, really not much at all.

[Winston Hughes]

Like twice at parties, really not much at all.

You've read quite a bit of online mafia, though, right?

[Riedquat]

At this stage, umm it could be a bit scummy but doubt a wolf will say it anyway... weird way to call attention to himself.

[Riedquat]

You've read quite a bit of online mafia, though, right?


Are you trying to convince him he could be a mastermind scum or what?

[Dp101]

You've read quite a bit of online mafia, though, right?

I think I have read 5-10 games, mostly on RB.

[Winston Hughes]

I think I have read 5-10 games, mostly on RB.

Where else?

[Winston Hughes]

Are you trying to convince him he could be a mastermind scum or what?

Turns out he was pretty damned fine as scum in his game at RB.

[Dp101]

Where else?

I have read the opening stages of the first hydra game run on MU as well as the championship game there.

[Winston Hughes]

Why do you think I'm scum?

[El Barto]

Why is everyone letting jht get away with lurking his way through this game?

No result tells me I was roleblocked.
Are you sure? Maybe the person is not trackable or didn't do anything.

That means any other town power in this game should have been able to perform their actions last night. Unsure if we have any left.
I am pretty sure there is. If only for metagaming reasons, as having too many dead confirmed townies who can still post would be problematic. Of course, this is the perspective of a robot.

Expect the Killbots, Robot Santa and/or the Robot Mafia to be around.

[El Barto]

Why do you think I'm scum?
You claim to be clueless and don't vote for jht as is your default mode. Something's wrong here. You meatbags are up to something.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would have specifically gotten a result of the person not having visited anyone if they didn't go anywhere.

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

It's actually worse because having gone somewhere can lead to a believable claim of a town power role. No result kind of powers are pretty much only just scum roles, and terrible ones at that because it's a dead giveaway.

Zack wouldn't write such a role, imo.

[Winston Hughes]

You claim to be clueless and don't vote for jht as is your default mode. Something's wrong here. You meatbags are up to something.

Who you calling meatbag, beardy?

[Winston Hughes]

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

Why's that?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why's that?

Town roles are typically found going somewhere or going nowhere. They don't return a 'no result' result unless they aren't town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At the same time, there's gotta be a mafia roleblocker in the game. That explains that result in almost every scenario.

[Winston Hughes]

Town roles are typically found going somewhere or going nowhere. They don't return a 'no result' result unless they aren't town.

Eh? No, I'm not following this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eh? No, I'm not following this.

I'm at a loss for what you're not understanding.

[Winston Hughes]

If there's something other than a roleblock on you that could cause a scum to return no result, why couldn't there be something that could cause a town to return no result?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If there's something other than a roleblock on you that could cause a scum to return no result, why couldn't there be something that could cause a town to return no result?

I've never seen a villager have such a role. That would be like a miller, except for a tracker.

Town doesn't need such a role, it's anti-town and we have enough on our hands.

[Winston Hughes]

I've never seen a villager have such a role. That would be like a miller, except for a tracker.

You can't think of any other possible explanations?

[Dp101]

Why do you think I'm scum?
Dislike your cases and where you have ended up on the lynches.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can't think of any other possible explanations?

If it's not me being the target of the block, GH's power, if he was targeting choxorn? I would have still written it as choxorn didn't go anywhere if I were hosting it.

I can't rule it out.

[Winston Hughes]

It's unlikely that Dp101 is scum, but nowhere near impossible.

He's very cool, very smart, and considerably more confident than he gives away.

If he is scum here, though, he has raised his game a lot compared to the first one.

[El Barto]

I would have specifically gotten a result of the person not having visited anyone if they didn't go anywhere.

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

It's actually worse because having gone somewhere can lead to a believable claim of a town power role. No result kind of powers are pretty much only just scum roles, and terrible ones at that because it's a dead giveaway.

Zack wouldn't write such a role, imo.
‘Zack wouldn't’? Your logic circuits are malfunctioning. The rest of it stands. OK, you've either tracked an untraceable person or been roleblocked. Is there anyone who's been roleblocked and actually received a message stating so?

Who you calling meatbag, beardy?
waddafuck, you organic slimeball? Come here where I can punch you!

[Winston Hughes]

If it's not me being the target of the block, GH's power, if he was targeting choxorn? I would have still written it as choxorn didn't go anywhere if I were hosting it.

I can't rule it out.

Guess we're going to have to wait and see what GH and chox have to say for themselves.

I do have an angle here, btw, though to my knowledge I had nothing to do with the situation in question.

[Winston Hughes]

Dislike your cases and where you have ended up on the lynches.

Can you be more specific?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Winston Hughes, you vixen.

[El Barto]

Are you getting turned on, pizzaboy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you getting turned on, pizzaboy?

I only have eyes for Amy, I'm afraid.

[El Barto]

Oh come on, we all know humans have needs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh come on, we all know humans have needs.

What do I look like, some kind of robo-sexual?

Not that there's anything wong with that.

[El Barto]

How d'you know? The Wongs have made a lotta investments over the years. Classic meatbag way of thinking.

Nothing has made me change my mind. Lynch Pelican.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unaltered role PM below spoiler.


Alright, here's the battle plan: We shoot, they surrender, we go aboard, somebody does some clamping, then we heist the cigars and go home.


https://i.imgur.com/Np5UWpN.png


Donbot



Player: GeneralHankerchief

Role: Donbot (https://theinfosphere.org/Donbot)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Make 'em sweat (Jailkeeper). At night, throw another player in a dark room with no exit. They cannot carry out a night action, nor can they be killed.


-----


If you have any questions, ask me privately.

:2thumbsup:

[Dp101]

Can you be more specific?

Your lynch positions are generally where I would expect mafia to end up. I will elaborate more when I get on a laptop. Your cases don't feel that definite or well defined, but I can understand having trouble making them so I will let it slide for now.

[Dp101]

Oh, also, I want to frame that post of pure praise you directed towards me. I still don't know why you think I'm confident, but thanks for the endorsement.

[Winston Hughes]

Your lynch positions are generally where I would expect mafia to end up. I will elaborate more when I get on a laptop. Your cases don't feel that definite or well defined, but I can understand having trouble making them so I will let it slide for now.

Yeah, I'm not letting it slide.

Feels like I've been around the top of your scum pile for some time - and last night you were all about setting me up for today's lynch if Stork came back town - but you've never made any real attempt to push me.

[Winston Hughes]

Have you targeted me, GH?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Murska

[Dp101]

Yeah, I'm not letting it slide.

Feels like I've been around the top of your scum pile for some time - and last night you were all about setting me up for today's lynch if Stork came back town - but you've never made any real attempt to push me.

Seems fair, again, once I have a proper keyboard I will try and make a proper case that amounts to more than vague reads.

[Dp101]

Also, you have not been on top for very long. I have had vague suspicions of you earlier, but I don't think I end up actually wanting to vote you until midway through day 3.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Have you targeted me, GH?

I'm not disclosing anything about my actions at this time.

[Dp101]

I'm not disclosing anything about my actions at this time.

Will there be a time when you do? Hard to prove you are indeed the roleblocker if you don't have a record of what you did. Of course you could also be mafia with pizza and came up with this in order to make his roleclaim look good, but that is probably tinfoil territory.

[Montmorency]

Hold up.

We have 4 dead town roles, one dead third party, one living claimed third party, and 2 living claimed town roles. Including the speculation on Choxorn, that would make 8 or 9 roles in a 22-player game. This is the absolute limit I am willing to countenance: 8 roles.

I don't like it, GH. Besides the superficial unease generated by your character, a jailer - roleblock/protect - is an exceedingly difficult role to demonstrate, and in a game in which the course of night actions is not written up...

I'm not voting you now only because making that claim as you did would be a terrible unsolicited move from scum.

___

Riedquat, so if I have that role PM correct, you can only protect once in the game? So by now all you have left is Kleptomania? Please use it on GH tonight. GH, keep Pizza.

[Montmorency]

Yes, I have to rebuild the case on Pizza. That vote isn't flying for the moment.

Unvote: Pizza

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just a hard unvote, no secondary suspect?

[Montmorency]

I could have just voted Winston, but I'm going to look at everything again synthetically. I think much of this will ride on who your partners are might be.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dunno why you're even bothering to remove your vote from me. This tunnel has no turns.

[novice]

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

I said I'd get back to it, so:


Day 2 initially looks like you can't get much out of it because there was only 1 major candidate, but IIRC Novice was a very close second place for much of the day leading up to deadline, but there were some last second switches that turned the vote as lopsided as it appears.

This is true, of course. From my perspective I know it was between two villagers and Riedquat, so the mafia probably didn't really care all that much who swung. In these town on town CFD situations I think the late switchers are more likely to be townies than scummies, since the switching tends to attract scrutiny.

[Dp101]

Well, dammit. I went back and looked at Winston's posts, and I realised that I really can't figure out why I thought he was mafia. I mean, his votes seem scummy because of the way he has avoided getting in on the big wagons unless it is someone important like Stork going down, but given that all we have lynched is town so far that accusation could be placed upon anyone. My mafia reads of him must have come before I realised that I must have been working with a bunch of mafia and changed my reads around a bit, and I must have just unconsciously kept up that same suspicion. Since I really can't come up with a better case than tone, and tone reads really aren't that critical at this stage, I think I need to go find another target. Sorry for wasting your time with accusations.

[Montmorency]

Alive: 14

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 3

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth

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Killed: 5

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda

Let's start with basics - a headcount:

Good

Riedquat
Montmorency

Prepared for Disappointment

GeneralH
DP101
Novice

Bad

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

~:confused:

JHT
Al Sipsclar
Choxorn
Atheotes


Next, scum-team fundamentals: are there 2 or 3 left?

3 total Mafia has been the dominant assumption so far, and it's only gotten more so as the game has gone on. However, with so many roles floating around, I think a 4th (for practical purposes, 3rd) scum becomes much likelier in the setup. If we take that, then perhaps the earlier wagons make more sense - scum has had the manpower to follow a strategy of avoiding concentrations.


Next posts will be vote analysis plus team arrangements. I will speculate on what it would look like for one of the 'unknown' category to be scum.

[Riedquat]

Riedquat, so if I have that role PM correct, you can only protect once in the game? So by now all you have left is Kleptomania? Please use it on GH tonight. GH, keep Pizza.

I don't know if it will activate again when I scan another robot or person of interest to me, but for the time being yes kleptomania is always usable and I guess if my target can kill the result will be like CrimsonFox, a threat to my survival.

[Cuthillius]

ugh

i don't like either of those claims

but who else

beh

[Cuthillius]

i mean given that one of the more active people is probably scum, we're left with... winston? novice?

i think winston's been towny

novice has been really average the last phase or two

[novice]

As Town I'd expect the following thought process: "I think Stork is being pushed by mafia here. The counterwagon is ATPG, pushed by Towny folk." At this point there's a split - if you have time, you'll go "I'll analyze the Stork wagon to maybe find mafia there, put up a case to try and push them instead." If you're busy you'll go "I'll follow the people I think are Town on ATPG, though voice my concerns about the lack of other targets."
Agree with this criticism of GH.


I have Riedquat as lock town (there's no way mafia!Riedquat ever, ever makes those series of posts against CrimsonFox)


Riedquat: No way he's not town.


Specifically, he claims Neutral Survivor.
Yeah, he's not town, he's neutral at best.


I still think the case on Pizza is incredibly strong, so I'll go ahead and vote:Pizza again today. For the time being, this is where my focus is, and it will likely remain here until Pizza is lynched or the case is satisfactorily refuted. As it is, I don't think my primary arguments (Pizza's haphazard voting for every leading wagon on the day of BSmith's lynch and his halfhearted Choxorn vote + token analysis + misplaced piling on against Stork yesterday) have been refuted.

You think scum is prone to haphazardly vote for every leading wagon?

[novice]

novice has been really average the last phase or two

Is that an improvement or a turn for the worse?

[Montmorency]

You think scum is prone to haphazardly vote for every leading wagon?

Wasn't haphazard. For your wagon specifically, I had it pegged that the BSmith CFD was a maneuver designed to both credibly threaten you and then 'rescue' you. This would create a beneficial Stockholm effect causing you to gain a favorable perspective on Pizza's actions.

[novice]

Wasn't haphazard. For your wagon specifically, I had it pegged that the BSmith CFD was a maneuver designed to both credibly threaten you and then 'rescue' you. This would create a beneficial Stockholm effect causing you to gain a favorable perspective on Pizza's actions.

Haphazard was Pelican's choice of words, of course. Anyway, that is an interesting theory. Moreover, it's an interesting kind of theory. :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

If you say the above people are bad, you might want to try pushing on them.

Oh, wait.

[Montmorency]

Oh, wait.

Correct. That's what I've been doing. Now let me finish my study.

[Cuthillius]

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

If you say the above people are bad, you might want to try pushing on them.

Oh, wait.

what are you trying to say with this post

[Cuthillius]

meh

vote:novice

right now i don't feel like you want to win

you rarely discuss important parts of the game and tend towards nitpicking and calling people out on insignificant things

i think you might easily be mafia

i sheeped Pizza onto bsmith and kinda regret it more and more

[Dp101]

what are you trying to say with this post

He is probably annoyed at me withdrawing my accusations of Winston after I realised that I didn't have a case.

[Cuthillius]

He is probably annoyed at me withdrawing my accusations of Winston after I realised that I didn't have a case.

i HIGHLY doubt it

[Choxorn]

I'm not entirely up to date, but it seems pretty clear we should get a full claim from Pizza now.

Vote: Pizza


No, I don't.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Vote: Novice

He's just skating by and trying to blend in with the bandwagon on Pizza, he doesn't even seem to think it's a good vote.

Hardclaim: Mason, Newyn was my partner

[Choxorn]

Here's my role PM:


Windmills do not work that way! Goodnight!


https://i.imgur.com/opc2kHl.png


Morbo



Player: Choxorn

Role: Morbo (https://theinfosphere.org/Morbo)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Channel v2 News (Mason). You know the identity of your co-host Newyn (Linda) and that he is a member of the Town.

[Choxorn]

We both dropped a minor hint that we knew the other was town:


This guy is lock town. Trust me.


What makes you say that? Newyn seems to me like inactive lazy town, kind of like I am.

[El Barto]

Mmmmkay, that's a credible-ish claim and also in character. Can you do the voice?

[Dp101]

I like the claim too, seems to have a good amount of background info to back it up.

[BSmith]

I called it though somewhat obscurely by asking a direct question of Newyn. Did either of you pick up on that?

Sorry I have been rather mute. Work is hectic and I have hd barely enough time to keep up with the thread. I sadly don't have any strong leads, but would favor a pizza lynch.

[novice]

Vote: Novice

He's just skating by and trying to blend in with the bandwagon on Pizza, he doesn't even seem to think it's a good vote.


I don't, which is why I'm not voting for him.

[Zack]

Official Tally

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)

2 novice (Cuth, Choxorn)

1 Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 Murska (ATPG)

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5 Not Voting: Dp101, GH, Monty, Riedquat, Winston

2 Not Posting: Al Sips, JHT

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[novice]

meh

vote:novice

right now i don't feel like you want to win

you rarely discuss important parts of the game and tend towards nitpicking and calling people out on insignificant things

Examples? Which important things would you like me to discuss?

[novice]

I don't, which is why I'm not voting for him.

Wait, Choxorn you quoted my GH vote also, so you know this. So what are you doing?
My Pizza vote was just a claim request, as I already explained.

[El Barto]

I point my shiny metal finger of suspicion at Cuthillius!

He is… Egyptian!?

[Dp101]

What do you think of the mason claim?

[Dp101]

Directed at Novice if it wasn't obvious.

[Choxorn]

I called it though somewhat obscurely by asking a direct question of Newyn. Did either of you pick up on that?

I didn't notice. Not sure about Newyn, we weren't given a way to privately communicate.


Wait, Choxorn you quoted my GH vote also, so you know this. So what are you doing?
My Pizza vote was just a claim request, as I already explained.

My point is I think that voting Pizza there even though you don't think he's a good lynch and don't think is scummy is scummy for you and you just seem fishy as hell today.

There were already a bunch of votes and suspicion on Pizza. You jumping onto the pile was irrelevant, but I think you wanted to make it look like you were helping out and trying to get Pizza to claim.

[Askthepizzaguy]

what are you trying to say with this post

I'm trying to say that Monty says those people are bad, and I agree on two of them, but I'm finding him quite hesitant to even push in that direction. He has one speed all game, and that speed is pizza is scum, even when he's not voting for me.

I'd like to see some evidence of his claim that he even finds anyone else scummy right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Novice

I'm home from school and sick today. I'll be popping in and out. I'm not doing any mega-analyses however.

[Askthepizzaguy]

PS stuff from 2 or 3 days ago isn't going to cut it.

[novice]

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.


I didn't notice. Not sure about Newyn, we weren't given a way to privately communicate.



My point is I think that voting Pizza there even though you don't think he's a good lynch and don't think is scummy is scummy for you and you just seem fishy as hell today.

There were already a bunch of votes and suspicion on Pizza. You jumping onto the pile was irrelevant, but I think you wanted to make it look like you were helping out and trying to get Pizza to claim.

There were zero votes on Pizza. I was just asking for his claim so we could get on with the day.

[novice]

First quote was included by accident.