Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Riedquat]

Reidquat, what is your secondary ability? What specifically does your scan do?

Are you willing to look at anyone other than Crimson today?

I'm a thief! I learn something from the character I visit, not necessarily alignment per se, CrimsonFox is a human and a threat to my survival, my second target is a robot, nothing more stated as result.

My locked secondary ability is doctor but only works on individuals I scanned first, I presume robots only but don't know for sure.

Of course, Crimson isn't the only threat out there.

[Winston Hughes]

nono...you fail because you said you aren't going to dignify it with a response....yet you responded to say that ;)

Double fail, then. I'm getting some serious multipliers here.

[Winston Hughes]

re: chox, he's finally sounding towny so that's good news everyone

I like where you're going here.

But will it work if I'm aware of it?

[El Barto]

i already tried that...doesn't work :)
Yeah, well, if you killed that mafia last night kudos, if not, bugger off.

it was funny barto, yesterday when i was trying to decide my vig shot, I kept remembering people saying wolfy things in wolfy posts and when I found the posts i realized it was all you ;)

bang up job you're doing hehheehehhe
Tha's because I am evil-looking but nice. That goes for all bending units. I'm kidding, that wife-stealing Bender is nice-looking but evil.

[Winston Hughes]

pizza reminding me of me in Tempus Fugut.

If he posts anything like this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14186953#post14186953), lynch him immediately.

[El Barto]

Tak's process:

To catch a wolf you must think like a wolf.

To think like a wolf you must post like a wolf.
Or maybe I'm just yanking your chain and have been for years.

Heh, I'm kidding, you might be onto something there.

Or not!

I'm a thief! I learn something from the character I visit, not necessarily alignment per se, CrimsonFox is a human and a threat to my survival, my second target is a robot, nothing more stated as result.

My locked secondary ability is doctor but only works on individuals I scanned first, I presume robots only but don't know for sure.

Of course, Crimson isn't the only threat out there.
So, after you scan someone you can protect them? Yay.

Double fail, then. I'm getting some serious multipliers here.
What multipliers? What're you multiplying?

[Winston Hughes]

What multipliers? What're you multiplying?

I'm multiplying the fail.

Maybe if I fail hard enough I'll come out the other side into glorious success.

[Cuthillius]

Well, obviously.

But can you summarise the case, so I've got some idea what I'm voting for?

I did. Read his posts last night. He came in with me as his top scum read, both from before and he restated that the khaan spew reflected poorly on me. Then he comes in and BLATANTLY buddies me and makes a really wolfy post or two about pizza and it's just terrible.

[Cuthillius]

Winston's being towny.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston's being towny.

Why did you ever think otherwise?

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 Stork (novice, cuth, murska, dp101)

2 ATPG (monty, pelican)

1 GH (crimsonfox)

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7 Not Voting: ATPG, choxorn, gh, newyn, riedquat, stork, winston

3 Not Posting: al sips, atheotes, jht

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[CrimsonFox]

I'm a thief! I learn something from the character I visit, not necessarily alignment per se, CrimsonFox is a human and a threat to my survival, my second target is a robot, nothing more stated as result.

My locked secondary ability is doctor but only works on individuals I scanned first, I presume robots only but don't know for sure.

Of course, Crimson isn't the only threat out there.

ohhhhhhhhh are you serious???? THAT'S your thing? I'm a threat to you because I can kill at night, genius.

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah, well, if you killed that mafia last night kudos, if not, bugger off.



barto still posting classics....:P

[CrimsonFox]

that DOES fit bender...

"I love stealing...I love takin' things!"

[El Barto]

I'm multiplying the fail.

Maybe if I fail hard enough I'll come out the other side into glorious success.
You're roleplaying as Fry, admit it!

barto still posting classics....:P
Always, baby, always.

[CrimsonFox]

Double fail, then. I'm getting some serious multipliers here.


COMBO!

https://media.makeameme.org/created/sees-meandering-towershell-1xtp7v.jpg


I'm multiplying the fail.

Maybe if I fail hard enough I'll come out the other side into glorious success.

lol

[El Barto]

And my last post was c-c-c-c-combo breaker! This day was not wasted at all.

[CrimsonFox]

Maybe the Professor can use his what if machine to determine "WHAT IF THAT GUY IS A WOLF!"

[CrimsonFox]

Why did you ever think otherwise?

yes

[Winston Hughes]

Halfway through Stork's ISO and it's like wading through sludge.

Posting is very reactive. Just bouncing off other players. No open attempts at agenda setting.

[El Barto]

He's just throwing it off onto others. Perfect scum. Can you find any instances of scumhunting by him?

[Winston Hughes]

Towniest bit so far is Stork interacting with Cuth in the late 800s.

But it looks much less good if Cuth is town and thinks Stork is scum.

[Winston Hughes]

He's just throwing it off onto others. Perfect scum. Can you find any instances of scumhunting by him?

As yet, no.

[Dp101]

Halfway through Stork's ISO and it's like wading through sludge.

Posting is very reactive. Just bouncing off other players. No open attempts at agenda setting.

Thanks for putting my thoughts into words, I've been pretty bad at explaining why I dislike his posts. Of course, you should know that if he is town I'm killing you next.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Stork

Nothing there I can't see from capable scum. Reactive stance throughout. Absence of solving intent.

[El Barto]

Dp101: get this into your memory drive, dude. You gonna need it.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Futurama

[Winston Hughes]

Thanks for putting my thoughts into words, I've been pretty bad at explaining why I dislike his posts. Of course, you should know that if he is town I'm killing you next.

Be warned: I'm coming right at you once I get my brain back.

You've had your gentle landing. D4 we get real.

[CrimsonFox]

Be warned: I'm coming right at you once I get my brain back.

You've had your gentle landing. D4 we get real.

it's the new zoo revue....comin' right at you

http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/New-Zoo-Review1.jpg

[Dp101]

Thanks for the link. A little disappointed that I ended up as an antagonist (in canon, not claiming 3rd party) but not a wolf. Quick question for Crimson, although I'm pretty sure by this point, you knew that you would eventually get an activatible ability from the start, right? You didn't originally get a vanilla PM?

[Cuthillius]

Towniest bit so far is Stork interacting with Cuth in the late 800s.

But it looks much less good if Cuth is town and thinks Stork is scum.

I agree

Like you might have seen I thought he was town after that

[CrimsonFox]

reidquat something just occurred to me. Is your robot processor able to detect and scan things about my own role that I do not know?

Do you know when my vig triggers?
Maybe you know that and i don't

and did you actually steal a vig and have a vig kill tonight?

[Dp101]

Be warned: I'm coming right at you once I get my brain back.

You've had your gentle landing. D4 we get real.

Please no, be gentle ;-;. I can see why though, besides looking town I haven't done much to actually kill wolves, probably due to a lack of self-confidence and thus letting the veterans swing my vote.

[Winston Hughes]

yes

Let me rephrase that:

Why did you ever think otherwise?

[Winston Hughes]

Please no, be gentle ;-;. I can see why though, besides looking town I haven't done much to actually kill wolves, probably due to a lack of self-confidence and thus letting the veterans swing my vote.

Please be scum.

[Cuthillius]

Please be scum.

'e's not scum

[Winston Hughes]

'e's not scum

Yeah, but it would be awesome.

[Cuthillius]

Yeah, but it would be awesome.

i would be super super duuuper impressed

[Dp101]

Nah, I'm really not good enough to look this town as mafia. The only reason I lived in my first game is because RB meta is (IMO) crap and bad at catching wolves, and also everyone who was suspicious of me happened to die right as it looked like they could have convinced people. That and town sabotaged itself, but if you want the details just read the game, I can link it if anyone wants it. Its only ~960 posts.

[Cuthillius]

what does RB stand for again?

[Cuthillius]

you remind me of a younger me

but better at mafia

[Dp101]

what does RB stand for again?

Realms Beyond, a small community that started centred around Diablo, then moved on to mostly multiplayer Civ 4. I played in the most recent WW game there, number 43, a modified greater mafia setup.

[Cuthillius]

i think the people who tend to rise above their circumstances are those that are able to post more than they do in small post games

not always but

the best gitpers are the ones who play on other sites sometimes, for the most part

[CrimsonFox]

what does RB stand for again?

derpclear DENIED

[Winston Hughes]

The meta at RB isn't crap.

It's just narrow and site-specific.

Games have been infrequent of late, but the player base is still very strong.

[Cuthillius]

derpclear DENIED

uhh

what does 'scum' mean

[Cuthillius]

The meta at RB isn't crap.

It's just narrow and site-specific.

Games have been infrequent of late, but the player base is still very strong.

generally meta is never terribly in and of itself, but it rarely transfers well from site to site

things that are good tells somewhere are terrible on the next one

[Dp101]

The meta at RB isn't crap.

It's just narrow and site-specific.

Games have been infrequent of late, but the player base is still very strong.

Oh, the playerbase may be strong, but just watching the way that the entire town went from voting me to swinging on someone else just because I started contributing forever shook my faith in the RB strats.

[CrimsonFox]

uhh

what does 'scum' mean

the stuff bender pulled out of the professor's ear

[CrimsonFox]

Let me rephrase that:

Why did you ever think otherwise?

i forgot the question

[Cuthillius]

Oh, the playerbase may be strong, but just watching the way that the entire town went from voting me to swinging on someone else just because I started contributing forever shook my faith in the RB strats.

play more than one game there imo :P

[Dp101]

play more than one game there imo :P

Hey, I would if anyone was trying to set up one, but currently no one appears to be pushing for one.

[CrimsonFox]

where?

[Cuthillius]

where?

RB.

[Winston Hughes]

i forgot the question

So did I.

[Cuthillius]

So did I.

What question?

[Winston Hughes]

Looking back, it seems I was asking you why you ever thought I wasn't town.

Scum point to Crimson for distracting me from that line of inquiry.

[CrimsonFox]

RB.

R&B is great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjQ1i5V7qA

[Cuthillius]

R&B is great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjQ1i5V7qA

derpclear denied

[CrimsonFox]

Looking back, it seems I was asking you why you ever thought I wasn't town.

Scum point to Crimson for distracting me from that line of inquiry.

shade throwing and your day one was REALLY out there. I've just come off several games where wolves were SO out there and SO silly and SO big yet no one would vote them out because..."oh they CAN'T be a wolf"

I am not forgetting this problem...

[Winston Hughes]

Townpoint to Crimson for taste.

[CrimsonFox]

derpclear denied

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131229125006/dragonballzroleplaying/images/d/d6/Zoidberg_-_hooray_ive_accomplished_nothing.jpg

[Montmorency]

where wolves were SO out there and SO silly and SO big

:stare:

[CrimsonFox]

Townpoint to Crimson for taste.

It was indeed hard to find JUST the right artist and song for that joke...because so many R&B artists and songs suck so much

[CrimsonFox]

:stare:

yeah yeah yeah i know coming from me this is hypocrisy...but winston spends day one voting for absolutely everybody with no focus.
and his shadethrowing on me...well any shadethrowing out of nowhere on me I remember and look twice at

[Montmorency]

It was indeed hard to find JUST the right artist and song for that joke...because so many R&B artists and songs suck so much


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKrc3A6HHM

[CrimsonFox]

but hooray I brought motny out of lurkmode
Hi monty! *hugs*

[Winston Hughes]

shade throwing and your day one was REALLY out there. I've just come off several games where wolves were SO out there and SO silly and SO big yet no one would vote them out because..."oh they CAN'T be a wolf"

I am not forgetting this problem...

I've been prepping myself for that kind of scumgame for a while.

But I just keep randing town.

[CrimsonFox]

preemptive vote winston then...

[Winston Hughes]

preemptive vote winston then...

Got to be playing on hard mode.

[johnhughthom]

Just off a twelve hour shift with no tea, so a lazy Vote: Stork from me.

[Dp101]

no tea

Unacceptable, quit your job right now :yes:

[CrimsonFox]

there isn't a maj in effect is there?

[Winston Hughes]

Who are Stork's buddies?

[Dp101]

Who are Stork's buddies?

I want to say General and Monty, but I would need to reread first, the two I just presented are simply those I am reading as scum right now.

[Zack]

there isn't a maj in effect is there?

no maj

[Riedquat]

Why Stork is scum exactly? I've been reading all his day 1 posts and so far I can't see anything remotely scummy on them.

[Montmorency]

If I recall, I made some tentative remarks about scum Winston Hughes taking advantage of out-of-town hive mind...

Seriously, he took a full plunge into the pit of atrocity today, and Kevorkian may even be as bad.

My conclusion, though, is that Stork wagon is a diversion from scumbo Pizza. Don't fall for it.

[Dp101]

If I recall, I made some tentative remarks about scum Winston Hughes taking advantage of out-of-town hive mind...

Seriously, he took a full plunge into the pit of atrocity today, and Kevorkian may even be as bad.

My conclusion, though, is that Stork wagon is a diversion from scumbo Pizza. Don't fall for it.

I don't see how you see his current actions as exploiting the hivemind? Cuthillius and Crimson are the main ones he was bouncing off and being friendly with earlier, and I want to lynch him soon and he wants to lynch me. Doesn't seem like a very big hivemind, does it. Also, nice job trying to prey on town's Pizza paranoia to try and save Stork.

I swear, if you are right and I am wrong, I would lynch myself so hard, and you will probably do just that.

[Cuthillius]

Why Stork is scum exactly? I've been reading all his day 1 posts and so far I can't see anything remotely scummy on them.

read his posts last night at about 11:00 PST

[Cuthillius]

I don't see how you see his current actions as exploiting the hivemind? Cuthillius and Crimson are the main ones he was bouncing off and being friendly with earlier, and I want to lynch him soon and he wants to lynch me. Doesn't seem like a very big hivemind, does it. Also, nice job trying to prey on town's Pizza paranoia to try and save Stork.

I swear, if you are right and I am wrong, I would lynch myself so hard, and you will probably do just that.

he has not been bouncing off of me and being friendly with me

he's literally scumread me the entire time

yes cordially but still strong scum read

[Montmorency]

Cuthillius and Crimson

He has novice.


and I want to lynch him soon and he wants to lynch me.

That isn't showing up in the last few pages. Cuth, novice, and Crimson are liking Winston at the moment. You only said that you would take Winston as scum if Stork flips town. Winston says he will get serious with you D4. That's all just fluff in terms of 'wanting to lynch each other'.


town's Pizza paranoia to try and save Stork.

To be frank, no one except you guys (and Bart) seem to care much about Stork, and the bloc against Pizza isn't exactly bugling at the moment.

[Dp101]

he has not been bouncing off of me and being friendly with me

he's literally scumread me the entire time

yes cordially but still strong scum read

I'm really sorry for not reading better, this is the second time I've wound up completely misrepresenting an interaction. I will try and do better in the future.

[Dp101]

He has novice.



That isn't showing up in the last few pages. Cuth, novice, and Crimson are liking Winston at the moment. You only said that you would take Winston as scum if Stork flips town. Winston says he will get serious with you D4. That's all just fluff in terms of 'wanting to lynch each other'.



To be frank, no one except you guys (and Bart) seem to care much about Stork, and the bloc against Pizza isn't exactly bugling at the moment.

I forgot about Novice, he didn't post much so slipped my mind. I said I would lynch him if Stork flipped town, but I thought it was obvious that the fact that I stated Winston as my first choice indicated that I was decently suspicious of him already, and him being wrong on this would push me over the edge. Your last point doesn't seem relevant to me, no matter the size of the blocks scum would still like to kill Pizza (if he is town, I was moving towards reading him as null earlier) and save their own, and the only wagons seeing much action right now are Stork and Pizza.

[Cuthillius]

I'm really sorry for not reading better, this is the second time I've wound up completely misrepresenting an interaction. I will try and do better in the future.

don't worry about it

i do it all the time also

[Montmorency]

he's literally scumread me the entire time

yes cordially but still strong scum read

Where? I've just reread all his posts today.

[Montmorency]

the only wagons seeing much action right now are Stork and Pizza.

Uh huh. Pizza was the first case at day-start, and Stork came afterwards. Which is reacting to which?

And there is not a single post by Winston today that reads Cuth as scum. In fact, he is voting on reasoning that follows Cuth being town and thinking Stork is scum. As in, Stork's posts look worse assuming Cuth is town and Stork is scum - he said this.

[Cuthillius]

Where? I've just reread all his posts today.

i was talking about stork

[Cuthillius]

if you are too?

at eod 1 he was talking about this

again when he offered to t-dome

and again when he came in today

[Cuthillius]

*yesterday

[Montmorency]

DP and I are talking about Winston.

[Montmorency]

The closest Winston Hughes came to scumreading Cuth is this, at the transition of D2/N2:


Obviously I've got a lot of reading to do, but right now I've got Cuth, Visor, GH and Crimson in my 'here be scum' category.

:brood:

[Dp101]

Uh huh. Pizza was the first case at day-start, and Stork came afterwards. Which is reacting to which?

I was referring to the first post you made on this page, the one that I originally quoted, as a defence of the wagon after it looked like a competing one would replace it. I don't see why the order of the wagons matters.

[Montmorency]

??

You could ascribe that to any candidate at any time in any game, then.

[Zack]

**** KILLBOTS ROLL OUT ****


https://i.imgur.com/SKozED3.png


**** KILLBOTS ROLL OUT ****

[Zack]

CrimsonFox has been killed.


Brannigan's law is like Brannigan's love: hard and fast.


https://i.imgur.com/6uC9LZJ.png

25-Star General Zapp Brannigan


Player: CrimsonFox

Role: Zapp Brannigan (https://theinfosphere.org/Zapp)

Faction: TOWN

[Dp101]

I think we are completely misunderstanding each other then. I'm saying that my "Monty is distracting us from Stork by pushing Pizza" post was a response to your #1577 post, and then you responded to my post by then claiming that neither wagon was that important, followed by you posting something in #1568 about the order of the wagons that I still don't fully understand, since again, the order appears to have nothing to do with the validity of our arguments. I tried to respond by clarifying that I was responding to your first post on the (now previous, might have caused some confusion) page, and then we got here. I still don't understand your point about the Pizza wagon coming first, are you saying that the Stork one is an attempt to save Pizza? Because I don't see it, most of the people behind it have been not so friendly towards his position fairly consistently over the last day or so.

[Zack]

Alive: 16

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Stork
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 2

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)

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Killed: 4

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan

[Dp101]

OK WHAT. Dayvig with flavour? Robot revolution?

[Montmorency]

DP, cut the confusion and understand that I'm saying Winston is taking up the wagon against Stork because he is tricking you AND protecting Pizza.

Now this.

[Dp101]

DP, cut the confusion and understand that I'm saying Winston is taking up the wagon against Stork because he is tricking you AND protecting Pizza.

Now this.

Look fine, I'll make a deal with you. If Stork flips town, I will help you lynch Pizza and Winston.

[Montmorency]

Look fine, I'll make a deal with you. If Stork flips town, I will help you lynch Pizza and Winston.

That's not much of a deal if you were leaning that way already.

Now:

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Killbots


Killbots are robots whose sole reason for existing was to kill things. There is a kill limit of 999,999 kills installed into them along with a reset button. Zapp Brannigan once defeated an army of these by sending wave after wave of his own men at them until they shut down. While deadly, they lack intelligence, never stopping when firing their weapons and prone to turning to face others when they can't hear them over their constant firing. This causes great collateral damage in the process.

[Dp101]

Think Crimson's assigned character is relevant to the kill? Seems odd to have a role that only kills one specific player, but I guess anything is possible.

[Cuthillius]

oh sorry dp i must have confused you

i was talking about stork when you were talking about winston

thanks for pointing that out monty

[Cuthillius]

If I had to guess mafia dayvig.

[Dp101]

If we assume it was specifically targeted at Crimson, anyone want to hazard a motive? Past eliminating a power role, his last suspects were the General (voted) and Winston (slight, but there). It doesn't really make sense for mafia to shoot him just to remove his vote from the general when it seems unlikely that he would die, but maybe it is just preemptive stopping of a wagon? Either that or Winston's mafia and his team thought he might need help to survive tomorrow, but that doesn't really make sense given that Winston was only experiencing slight pressure. If it was a town dayvig, you best have a pretty good explanation.

[Riedquat]

What the heck? :inquisitive: Crimson is town and daykilled... oki doki I understand less than before now!

Cuthillius, i tend to agree more with Monty than you on this situation, I don't see the scumminess on Stork while I can see his point pseudo-presuring/arguing with you about your post about Atpg being town, you have said on day1 I believe, he was like visor reading people but with more analisys or something like that if I'm not wrong, and yesterday you still maintained he was townish, what changed? In the best scenario he wrong-read you... There you have town visor, almost all his reads were wrong.

Other thing, am I the only thinking probably El Barto wasn't killed by scum but by visor? All those posts saying shots in your direction tonight or tonight we shot Barto...

[Cuthillius]

What the heck? :inquisitive: Crimson is town and daykilled... oki doki I understand less than before now!

Cuthillius, i tend to agree more with Monty than you on this situation, I don't see the scumminess on Stork while I can see his point pseudo-presuring/arguing with you about your post about Atpg being town, you have said on day1 I believe, he was like visor reading people but with more analisys or something like that if I'm not wrong, and yesterday you still maintained he was townish, what changed? In the best scenario he wrong-read you... There you have town visor, almost all his reads were wrong.

Other thing, am I the only thinking probably El Barto wasn't killed by scum but by visor? All those posts saying shots in your direction tonight or tonight we shot Barto...

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

[Dp101]

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

After the game, could you point out how you made those posts traps? I'm interested in getting better at playing town, and I think learning about that kind of thing might be useful.

[Cuthillius]

After the game, could you point out how you made those posts traps? I'm interested in getting better at playing town, and I think learning about that kind of thing might be useful.

I'll try. Remind me.

[Dp101]

Cuth, you going to comment on the apparent dayvig?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, you going to comment on the apparent dayvig?

Apart from saying that I think it's probably a maf dayvig no

I have no idea why it was used, except to get rid of a highly active towny killing power role

[Cuthillius]

Much anything else is unhelpful speculation

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 Stork (novice, cuth, murska, dp101, Winston Hughes, jht)

2 ATPG (monty, pelican)

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6 Not Voting: Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn, GeneralHankerchief, Newyn, Riedquat, Stork

2 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar, atheotes
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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[atheotes]

what is the case on Stork?
Did Crimson get shot by Quat?

[Stork]

cuth you are roleplaying a blithering idiot if town this game, and thats saying something because i already didn't have a high opinion of your game

hope you aren't for your sake

[Stork]

actually, wait.

you are roleplaying a blithering idiot town either way actually

[Murska]

Possibly maf gets a vig on people who claim their role too clearly?

[Stork]

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

this post is incomprehensibly moronic for obvious reasons

if you are a wolf and giving a true read on someone, what makes you think i wouldn't agree with you? i have watched you bus in (imo) terrible spots before.

if you can point out a single instance since i started thinking you were scum where i implied you are town, then congrats, but thats not how it works and you SHADING (see, i can use meaningless buzzwords too) me for it is obviously lolterrible.

i don't imagine for a second you would consider it out of character for me to make a joking read off one of my scumreads because you have played with me enough to know that i do that, particularly as town (probably)

overall 1/10, you tried your best

[Stork]

i got a few off site things to do so i will be absent for a while, will try to check in to continue this later if possible

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm back, baby.

Me full claiming adds little to town's knowledge and gives the scums too much data, or I would have full claimed before I left. Right now, it's a bad idea but I also wasn't going to be around for the first half of the phase and the latter half is typically too late to do anything about a big no reason wagon.

It's enough that I have a role that they have to shoot. If they don't believe me and leave me alive, so much the better. I won't even make it to mid-game, guys. Just leave me be, and hold me to this later. If you can't trust me that far, for whatever reason, force a full claim now, I guess. It's just a bad idea.

ISOs by myself next, or I'll talk to whoever's here.

[atheotes]

ok. stupid me.
My guess is that the scum had a one-off day kill and used it
or its a 3p who was looking for a specific role.

In the Cuth v Stork discussion, Cuth was the scummier of the two. But i thought it was more likely v/v.
I still like the Novice lynch
Vote: Novice

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan's iso is worthless. He talks to or about CrimsonFox in almost all of his posts, and mentions 3 other players once in a fairly neutral way.

Quite spartan. But ISO just khaan, is not the approach to take. Gotta flip it and look for the people who mentioned khaan and how.

[atheotes]

I kind of like that, though not sure about Novice. Would need to read back on him.


I don't like him. I've been close to voting for him a few times, but have decided otherwise because I don't have anything solid and there's no momentum anyway.


I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt.


I don't like DP and I don't know why everyone else seems to.

Stork should be burned at the stake.

Riedquat is Xihirling, which means I just don't even know.

Went over the newly caught wolf's posts, found nothing much interesting. Unwilling to lynch Crimson at least for now based on their back-and-forth.


He's doing what I want, but he's doing it so wrong...

I dont like any of the quoted posts. I feel that Murska has been coasting without any follow up on his comments.

[Askthepizzaguy]

atheotes, stick around in the thread for a while. Would like a second opinion on the thing I'm doing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What this post is:

~All the comments about khaan that were game relevant (or otherwise). Skipped posts from dead people.

Since reading khaan himself does nothing. Click for context on the ones that need it.

some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

i think khaan is town

:verycool:

wanton lust to tank the lynch for personal reasons seems suboptimal

if you are a town and this is your thought, colour me impressed.

I am failing to understand why the bolded means you would vote against your read.

You have the read, you gave the read, but it seems like you don't care about it?
End of Day One

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?

Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:

The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

Add that to your last page or two which just seems forced and unnatural.
Follow up from WH:

This part just seems to be you forcing me into a little box you created in advance. You're jumping from me voting Crimson for his claim to me pushing him for being disruptive simply to fit your theory.
Post-mortem:

Crimson's been suspicious of khaan for a while now (my theory re: people on the "disruptive" player more likely to be mafia turned out to be right, I just went after the wrong person), so I'd put money on that being who killed him. As far as Visor, note that he can't talk after death. I'm guessing he got scanned by the mafia N1 and it got followed up with an N2 nightkill.

p sure khaan's posts clear crimson of being on the same team

notes:

against monty's lynch

suspicious of pizza

doesn't know why people are suspicion me

All Pizza D2 content is between page 36 and 45.

Look at how he talks about Visor. Look at he interacts with Khaan.

I'm not overthinking this, it's straight-up scumtell.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.
Want to give my thoughts on these but also wanted to hear others'.

Feel free to copy n steal.

[atheotes]

What this post is:

~All the comments about khaan that were game relevant (or otherwise). Skipped posts from dead people.

Since reading khaan himself does nothing. Click for context on the ones that need it.





End of Day One






Follow up from WH:

Post-mortem:






Want to give my thoughts on these but also wanted to hear others'.

Feel free to copy n steal.

:2thumbsup:. precisely what i was doing.

this is how things look after reading the Khaan iso/interactions/comments.

Stork looks towny
Pelican is town
Winston looks scummy
Pizza looks scummy
Novice looks scummy
Choxorn seems to have an agenda. Scummy
Monty - no change because of anything in this. Town lean
GH - also no change. Neutral
Cuth - also no change - Neutral

[Askthepizzaguy]

some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

i think khaan is town
Visor is dead and town, pizza. Again forgetting to exclude all the dead people.

:verycool:
Winston reacts to that town lean. Winston is town, just being thorough.

wanton lust to tank the lynch for personal reasons seems suboptimal

if you are a town and this is your thought, colour me impressed.

I am failing to understand why the bolded means you would vote against your read.

You have the read, you gave the read, but it seems like you don't care about it?
Stork critiques khaan, seems to imply in the first quote a scum read (bolded).

End of Day One

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?
Spite is spite. I've done that as scum too, it's just something that I don't bother faking. I guess khaan really was irritated with Fox, so it wasn't something he needed to fake. Shouldn't have given him the town lean for it.


Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:

The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.
Pelican and khaan talking about Monty. Khaan, I think accurately, giving Monty a pass for being himself, couldn't be bothered to find an excuse to find Monty scummy. Or anyone else, really. Pelican suggesting Monty's normal self is scummy. I can't disagree more here.

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.
Staying neutral.

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?
Generalissimo Visor Slasho is still dead, pizza.

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.Novice kinda repeating what I said about khaan, just rephrasing it.

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

Add that to your last page or two which just seems forced and unnatural.Didn't like this post.
Follow up from WH:

This part just seems to be you forcing me into a little box you created in advance. You're jumping from me voting Crimson for his claim to me pushing him for being disruptive simply to fit your theory.
There's a scum between WH and GH in this game, and it isn't Winston Huges. Gotta iso GH first before anyone else.

Post-mortem:

Crimson's been suspicious of khaan for a while now (my theory re: people on the "disruptive" player more likely to be mafia turned out to be right, I just went after the wrong person), so I'd put money on that being who killed him. As far as Visor, note that he can't talk after death. I'm guessing he got scanned by the mafia N1 and it got followed up with an N2 nightkill.

p sure khaan's posts clear crimson of being on the same team

notes:

against monty's lynch

suspicious of pizza

doesn't know why people are suspicion me
Don't like these commentary posts from Cuth. Just saying what's happening or doesn't reveal any new insights.

All Pizza D2 content is between page 36 and 45.

Look at how he talks about Visor. Look at he interacts with Khaan.

I'm not overthinking this, it's straight-up scumtell.Monty being town doesn't prevent Monty from being wrong.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?
Choxorn pretty interested in the vig claim, can't imagine that should be anyone's priority after khaan died.

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.
Agree with novice's reasoning here about Monty.

Things I'm thinking now:
1) Visor is dead, gjge. Was about as interesting and insightful this game as the character he played, too. Really left a firm mark on my memory banks, along with all the radical positions BSmith took, and the high level of content from El Spamo. Seriously, townies need to do a better job existing enough for me to even take notice of them.
2) Stork can be scum here quite easily, need to prioritize his iso and see if I disagree with current consensus.
3) Gotta iso Generalhankerchief. Every time I bump into his posts they're unimpressive as hell.
4) Need another look at Cuthillius, I'm about 50/50 on him.
5) Choxorn is pretty meh.

Not going to try to derail the Stork train, but if people have the time, I'd appreciate some help isoing the above names that aren't dead yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:2thumbsup:. precisely what i was doing.

this is how things look after reading the Khaan iso/interactions/comments.

Stork looks towny
Pelican is town
Winston looks scummy
Pizza looks scummy
Novice looks scummy
Choxorn seems to have an agenda. Scummy
Monty - no change because of anything in this. Town lean
GH - also no change. Neutral
Cuth - also no change - Neutral
Agree on choxorn, can't disagree more about Winston. Iso him all alone and give me your new reaction.

Do me that favor, please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Crimson looks worse to me than Barto does, though I really don't have any good reads on anyone.

Vote: Crimson

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

What makes you say that? Newyn seems to me like inactive lazy town, kind of like I am.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

So, sometimes you have a kill available and you an use it like an ordinary vig kill, sometimes you don't, you couldn't kill night one, you could kill night two, something changed but you're not sure what, but it might have been Riedquat?

That seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

I hate all of these posts in almost equal measure, but the questions toward the vig were chox full of aids.

Vote: choxorn

Symbolic vote until I can iso Stork.

[Murska]

I would like to note that I'm sort of around (on phone during a QM lecture) in case anyone has anything pressing to ask of me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Murska

Please respond to atheotes' post 1623.

You both don't post very much. If you have time and nothing to do, recommend addressing the concerns there. Also your opinion about atheotes.

Any of my several previous posts, your reaction to those as well.

Can give us genuine opinions so you can be town read even if you're unable to iso.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's simply no way to sugarcoat how bad Stork's iso is.

Monty not wolf with Stork based off of 604/605, at least.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lul?

you know ~no information about the setup other than your own role and that one vt and one non-vt has died and you are making a statement about the balance?

Stork/dp not w/w, not that I thought dp was.

[Murska]

I dont like any of the quoted posts. I feel that Murska has been coasting without any follow up on his comments.
I don't know how to address this concern. It's true, I haven't followed up very well on my reads. Mostly just voted accordingly. This is due to lack of time. But, well, the reads are there.

I saw an atheotes post in the group of khaan-related posts that looked very towny.

Pizza started strong but has been giving off bad vibes lately. I'll remain wary but unwilling to lynch yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

Can't dismiss choxorn/Stork here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stork's iso in a nutshell goes like this:

Talks to townies before they die (10)
Talks to two of the strongest townies in my list of unclears (13)
Suspects or votes a dead townie or strong town lean (12)
All of that behavior makes up maybe a quarter of his posts.

All of that behavior is the same sort of behavior, unreadable and good for wolves.

The rest are all about suspecting Cuth, or talking to Cuth.
There are maybe 3 posts where he talks to Novice or atheotes.

Limiting his suspicions largely to one guy is anti-spew, so he won't leave obvious towns in the wake of his own corpse.

Almost all his behavior before he got really persistent on Cuth was discussing with now-dead townies or pushing dead townies to their death. Then it just gets really amped up on Cuth-related spam. It just looks like Stork has been power wolfing all game, unless Cuth is a wolf. There's nothing there which I can point to that says town. His post count is inflated by Cuth-posts.

[Dp101]

Little lost, how is Stork talking to townies bad? Isn't it important to communicate to discuss cases and such, so I don't see what is wrong with talking to your fellow town.

[Cuthillius]

this post is incomprehensibly moronic for obvious reasons

if you are a wolf and giving a true read on someone, what makes you think i wouldn't agree with you? i have watched you bus in (imo) terrible spots before.

if you can point out a single instance since i started thinking you were scum where i implied you are town, then congrats, but thats not how it works and you SHADING (see, i can use meaningless buzzwords too) me for it is obviously lolterrible.

i don't imagine for a second you would consider it out of character for me to make a joking read off one of my scumreads because you have played with me enough to know that i do that, particularly as town (probably)

overall 1/10, you tried your best

i'm shocked you think it's moronic

[Cuthillius]

Stork's iso in a nutshell goes like this:

Talks to townies before they die (10)
Talks to two of the strongest townies in my list of unclears (13)
Suspects or votes a dead townie or strong town lean (12)
All of that behavior makes up maybe a quarter of his posts.

All of that behavior is the same sort of behavior, unreadable and good for wolves.

The rest are all about suspecting Cuth, or talking to Cuth.
There are maybe 3 posts where he talks to Novice or atheotes.

Limiting his suspicions largely to one guy is anti-spew, so he won't leave obvious towns in the wake of his own corpse.

Almost all his behavior before he got really persistent on Cuth was discussing with now-dead townies or pushing dead townies to their death. Then it just gets really amped up on Cuth-related spam. It just looks like Stork has been power wolfing all game, unless Cuth is a wolf. There's nothing there which I can point to that says town. His post count is inflated by Cuth-posts.

:2thumbsup:

[Riedquat]

I'm back, baby.

Me full claiming adds little to town's knowledge and gives the scums too much data, or I would have full claimed before I left. Right now, it's a bad idea but I also wasn't going to be around for the first half of the phase and the latter half is typically too late to do anything about a big no reason wagon.

It's enough that I have a role that they have to shoot. If they don't believe me and leave me alive, so much the better. I won't even make it to mid-game, guys. Just leave me be, and hold me to this later. If you can't trust me that far, for whatever reason, force a full claim now, I guess. It's just a bad idea.

ISOs by myself next, or I'll talk to whoever's here.

Claim, leave the big sensible data out if you want. Vote: ATPG as a lame pressure vote for the time being.

[atheotes]

Agree on choxorn, can't disagree more about Winston. Iso him all alone and give me your new reaction.

Do me that favor, please.

I have read Winston. I dont really see anything to clear him as town. I see a lot of hedging. No change in my read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Little lost, how is Stork talking to townies bad? Isn't it important to communicate to discuss cases and such, so I don't see what is wrong with talking to your fellow town.

This is a tendency I noticed in a game on this site a long time ago, and it has served me well in many games since. What I noticed was the following pattern from the scum:

1) Accuse townie
2) Townie would be lynched or murdered
3) Accuse other townie
4) That townie would be lynched or murdered
5) Accuse another townie
6) That townie would be lynched or murdered
7) Accuse another townie
8) That townie would be lynched or murdered
9) Never decide any accused are town
10) The number of people who have been accused at the same time from the same person are always a couple or less.

This is very linear and extremely pro-wolf, and, you don't run into too many people at once who can OMGUS "oh my god, you suck" vote you right back for the sole reason of they are voting for you. That manages the diplo situation while culling town numbers.

Compare that to this:

1) Accuse unknown
2) Unknown is still alive
3) Decide unknown might be town, stop accusing said unknown
4) Accuse townie, unknown, unknown, townie
5) A townie is lynched
6) Accuse unknown and unknown, accuse yet another unknown
7) None are lynched
8) Continue accusing said unknowns
9) A townie is murdered

etc

The latter pattern fits more with the profile of a townie. It is not linear and does not control the diplo situation. The former pattern fits with scums. This becomes especially apparent when someone is power wolfing.

That's because the objective of the power wolf is to push as many townies to death as possible, but they still need to have people on their side while they're doing it. It is more effective to have no opinion on most of the game than to alienate potential voting allies. However, once you've crushed several townies to death, you still need to continue crushing townies. Thus, moving on to another acceptable target and pushing them. Cycle repeats.

The accusations fit the pattern of who is murdered and who is lynched.

Townies, on the other hand, have no idea who the mafia are going to shoot, so the people they speak to will not fit the pattern as much and will contain a larger percentage of unknowns. They also don't have a good idea where the scums are, and thus, don't know who is the easiest townie to lynch, and therefore, their voting and accusing pattern will be far less linear.

I named this concept "Mafia ESP". Predicting who will die, with your votes, accusations, and who you decide to talk to.

The reason why it is a tell is because the longer this pattern keeps up, the more unlikely it is for a know-nothing townie to have stumbled upon the pattern by random chance, and the more likely it is for the explanation to be based on being part of the wolf team, and controlling the diplomacy situation in the thread, and knowing which people are safe to vote for, which people are not wolves, and so forth.

This pattern doesn't typically emerge from villagers by random chance very often, so when I see it, it's scum almost all of the time. Wolves are also typically never so blatant on this particular website, so I hardly ever use this tell. But the past couple times I used it on this site, it was correct.

[Dp101]

Thanks for explaining, I guess we'll see if you are right or if you are mafia.

[Stork]

extremely long post

maybe i am just better than you at clearing good townies like visor since he outted himself as a villager on day 2

[Stork]

also

pizza

isn't your theory already shit in itself if you are assuming the n1 kill was barto because i did the literal opposite of what you are saying

if you are gonna talk spec for a post that doesn't fit on my screen, shouldn't it actually apply to the situation you are trying to use it for?

[Askthepizzaguy]

maybe i am just better than you at clearing good townies like visor since he outted himself as a villager on day 2

I laffed.

[Montmorency]

Lots of headgame. Ghosting, shading, buddying, distancing, whatever. You are very good at putting out a lot of quasi-fluff and tangential material to make me struggle to pinpoint just what is so wrong about your case and your posts.

But I remember. Are you going to engineer another CFD, so that you and Cuth and Winston can't be called to account for the results of a Stork mislynch? That's another scum tactic for you to lecture on, bringing someone to the edge of lynch and then dropping them entirely while bringing the whole town's attention to another target. Coincidentally, it's a good way to break out of the linear trend you describe.

[Askthepizzaguy]

also

pizza

isn't your theory already shit in itself if you are assuming the n1 kill was barto because i did the literal opposite of what you are saying

if you are gonna talk spec for a post that doesn't fit on my screen, shouldn't it actually apply to the situation you are trying to use it for?

Crimson flipped townie, and he claimed not to have shot Barto. That leaves SK and mafia.

Reidquat is my current SK suspect. What's your theory as to what happened?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lots of headgame. Ghosting, shading, buddying, distancing, whatever. You are very good at putting out a lot of quasi-fluff and tangential material to make me struggle to pinpoint just what is so wrong about your case and your posts.

But I remember. Are you going to engineer another CFD, so that you and Cuth and Winston can't be called to account for the results of a Stork mislynch? That's another scum tactic for you to lecture on, bringing someone to the edge of lynch and then dropping them entirely while bringing the whole town's attention to another target. Coincidentally, it's a good way to break out of the linear trend you describe.

You might start by looking up the definition of confirmation bias before you continue. If you're struggling to explain your predetermined conclusion, then see previous sentence.

[Montmorency]

and he claimed not to have shot Barto.



WARNING


ULTRA BLATANT LIE


WARNING

[Stork]

Crimson flipped townie, and he claimed not to have shot Barto. That leaves SK and mafia.

Reidquat is my current SK suspect. What's your theory as to what happened?

i don't know/care that much given there isn't enough information from the flips/claims to determine it

but if it was a scum kill i would never make it for the obvious reason that it is against my win condition

[Askthepizzaguy]

maybe i just won't shoot anybody, how bout that

I dinna kill no one

because vig's usually kill lots of villas probably esp day one

maybe my scum reads were totally offtrack day one
i was scumreading elbarto a lot yesterday tho...but then they (i guess) killed him.

which makes me scratch my head. if they left me alive cause they expected me to kill him they probably wouldn't kill him themselves.
so maybe they thought i'd kill someone else instead.

also ya know...they could kill a vig...or maybe they didn't believe me or even if they believed me...they might have gone seer hunting.

.
..
...

[Stork]

It just looks like Stork has been power wolfing all game, unless Cuth is a wolf.

i think you need to reread that article

[Askthepizzaguy]

WARNING



ULTRA BLATANT LIE



WARNING



Warning

Confirmation bias

See previous post

[Pelican]

What? That's actually true. Crimson did not claim credit at any point for shooting Bart.

Everything else coming from Pizza right now might be bs for his wolfish agenda, but Crimson did claim not to have shot Bart.

[Montmorency]

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.

[Pelican]

What? That's actually true. Crimson did not claim credit at any point for shooting Bart.

Everything else coming from Pizza right now might be bs for his wolfish agenda, but Crimson did claim not to have shot Bart.

(this was in response to the "ultra blatant lie" post, I forgot that in this game 10 other people post in the time it takes me to write one response)

[Pelican]

But yeah if anyone wants to talk about fluff without any scumhunting intent, let's talk about Pizza coming into the thread and recommending that we read 'khaan spew, but instead of giving any opinions about that going ham on a wagon that has most of the big guns in the thread convinced already.

[Askthepizzaguy]

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.

Monty, your wrongness did not begin or end there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But yeah if anyone wants to talk about fluff without any scumhunting intent, let's talk about Pizza coming into the thread and recommending that we read 'khaan spew, but instead of giving any opinions about that going ham on a wagon that has most of the big guns in the thread convinced already.
Oh goody I get to correct you as well. Brb

This is fun, in a frustrating sort of way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Things I'm thinking now:
1) Visor is dead, gjge. Was about as interesting and insightful this game as the character he played, too. Really left a firm mark on my memory banks, along with all the radical positions BSmith took, and the high level of content from El Spamo. Seriously, townies need to do a better job existing enough for me to even take notice of them.
2) Stork can be scum here quite easily, need to prioritize his iso and see if I disagree with current consensus.
3) Gotta iso Generalhankerchief. Every time I bump into his posts they're unimpressive as hell.
4) Need another look at Cuthillius, I'm about 50/50 on him.
5) Choxorn is pretty meh.

Not going to try to derail the Stork train, but if people have the time, I'd appreciate some help isoing the above names that aren't dead yet.
No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Instead of impotently tilting at guy who will always resolve this game like a couple of nutters, how about either or both of you iso GeneralHankerchief or Cuth or choxorn or anyone. Or at least read my posts or the posts in the thread before spouting off.

[Montmorency]

It's just 4 names.

are they "town/unknown/unknown/town"? :sneaky:

[Stork]

No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

well, there is no scum hunting there

you gave a read on a dead person

you hedged a read on me

you hedged a read on gh

you hedged a read on cuth

you gave a read on chox

[Askthepizzaguy]

are they "town/unknown/unknown/town"? :sneaky:

If there's 3 scums then yeah, they are, by definition. Sorry I don't have it nailed down to the exact 2 or 3 remaining.

Most of the rest of the thread has been villagery. Who am I overlooking?

[Askthepizzaguy]

well, there is no scum hunting there

you gave a read on a dead person

you hedged a read on me

you hedged a read on gh

you hedged a read on cuth

you gave a read on chox

Well, if we're just going to straight up lie, sure.

[Stork]

Well, if we're just going to straight up lie, sure.

which is the lie?

[Montmorency]

:sad:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ42N4xHOxg

[Stork]

if you are gonna call "i am 50/50" or "could easily be" not a hedge then i am going to say that you are lying

gh "read" could be arguably not a hedge, but it comes with an out

[Askthepizzaguy]

which is the lie?

Which lie do you want me to waste my time debunking?

The one where you said I gave a read on the dead guy? The only thing I did in that post is note that he was dead.

The one where you said I was hedging on you? Sure, if you ignore 95% of the posts I've made about you today, then I have no solid read on you.

I got choxorn as solidly scum, so that's a read.

The fact that I'm 50/50 on Cuth doesn't mean it's not a read or that it's not hunting for scums.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I have to hard claim everything just to get people to actually look at anyone besides me or Stork I'm going to have stern words in post.

[Stork]

Which lie do you want me to waste my time debunking?

The one where you said I gave a read on the dead guy? The only thing I did in that post is note that he was dead.

The one where you said I was hedging on you? Sure, if you ignore 95% of the posts I've made about you today, then I have no solid read on you.

I got choxorn as solidly scum, so that's a read.

The fact that I'm 50/50 on Cuth doesn't mean it's not a read or that it's not hunting for scums.

i agree the choxorn one is a read

cuth one is by definition a hedge, so calling that a lie is :?

and ofc when i am responding to this particular post which you made at that time, i am going to ignore the posts you made afterwards, given that is the topic of discussion that pelican brought up

you hedged AT THAT TIME, which is important for thinking about your progression and no matter how many words you type you probably wouldn't dispute this


you are free to think my iso is bad or scummy (or both), thats your prerogative, but your analysis of the spew/interactions is more interesting to me because you just said my iso was scummy, where i can view the perspective of the spew/interactions more clearly than i can assess my own iso (probably, i would never read it anyway)

[Pelican]

No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

And you choose to go with a weak vote on Chox and tilt like crazy at the guy who's already the leading bandwagon by a wide margin. Let's also not forget about yesterday where you ran around voting for all the lead wagons, two of which were just as lazy as Choxorn.

I'm familiar enough with you as a player that I know you can spout off fairly solid-looking analysis at a whim no matter what side you're on, but your actions demonstrate a lack of investment in who actually gets lynched, or in exposing your supposed targets as wolves. If you want to get people to look at someone besides you and Stork, why do you come into the thread and focus on piling evidence on the dominant Stork wagon? How often are your words going to have to be at odds with your actions before this group of players lynches you?

[Dp101]

If I have to hard claim everything just to get people to actually look at anyone besides me or Stork I'm going to have stern words in post.

Look, I'm sorry, but this town has broken down so much into two factions that I think it has to be you or Stork. Personally, if Stork flips village then I go Winston/You/Novice/lurkers, if Stork is a wolf then I go Monty/General/lurkers. I'm sorry for focussing in so much on just you two, I just feel like I won't get any information until one of you is dead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Certain lurkers are less of a priority than others. Ignore Newyn and Al Sips.

[Stork]

Look, I'm sorry, but this town has broken down so much into two factions that I think it has to be you or Stork. Personally, if Stork flips village then I go Winston/You/Novice/lurkers, if Stork is a wolf then I go Monty/General/lurkers. I'm sorry for focussing in so much on just you two, I just feel like I won't get any information until one of you is dead.

can you go over for sure why you think this? if it is because of something pizza is doing or because of something i am doing and what specifically it is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's unwise to close your eyes and ears and only look at the people getting votes. Stork flips town, I flip town, then you've wasted a metric crapton of time and other townies died in the interim.

There's more to the game than where you put your vote that round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I always die, flip town, and be silent this game. If you're only looking at me and stork, there's at least 1 or 2 scumbags you're not putting any effort into finding, minimum.

And you're completely arse farked if he dies and is town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I spent 6 hours on this game today, I'm calling it a night. Pile votes on me to get a hard claim, or wait until night is almost over, would be smarter.

[Stork]

its a hugely pro-wolf dichotomy regardless of if you are w or v, though particularly if you are v, because of the way it is framed

[Dp101]

can you go over for sure why you think this? if it is because of something pizza is doing or because of something i am doing and what specifically it is.

Well, as I mentioned, the town appears to be solidifying into fairly solid voting blocks, so I'm pretty sure that one of them has at least a couple mafia working closely together. Now, I see two possibilities based on this. Either you are mafia and trying to kill Pizza as he is a strong town, or Pizza is mafia and trying to get people like me to vote with him to kill the only villager with clear vision, you. Out of these two "factions" I am voting you because you seem the most scummy to me, and your group has latched onto pizza as your targert, so I see it as you or him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If DP is scum:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png

GG WP. Above is not a character claim.

[Stork]

Well, as I mentioned, the town appears to be solidifying into fairly solid voting blocks, so I'm pretty sure that one of them has at least a couple mafia working closely together. Now, I see two possibilities based on this. Either you are mafia and trying to kill Pizza as he is a strong town, or Pizza is mafia and trying to get people like me to vote with him to kill the only villager with clear vision, you. Out of these two "factions" I am voting you because you seem the most scummy to me, and your group has latched onto pizza as your targert, so I see it as you or him.

ime a game never plays out like that because it's disadvantageous to the wolves. They want to be on both sides and can be because they manipulate the situations (as you are doing), if they get "outted" as a pack by lynching me, or if my "pack" gets outted lyncing pizza, the way the game was played was poor, unless of course we are in a situation where the game may end sooner than expected.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just noticed there's only 5 hours left in the frickin day.

Do not pile votes on me. TYVM in advance.

[Dp101]

ime a game never plays out like that because it's disadvantageous to the wolves. They want to be on both sides and can be because they manipulate the situations (as you are doing), if they get "outted" as a pack by lynching me, or if my "pack" gets outted lyncing pizza, the way the game was played was poor, unless of course we are in a situation where the game may end sooner than expected.

Oh, I don't think it is quite that clear-cut, I think there is a decent chance Winston is mafia regardless.

[Riedquat]

I really want Atpg claiming, I think the info will always help the town more than the scum...

Atpg, if I'm the SK, who were my targets? Did I kill Flexo/El Barto? Did I kill Visor? Who do you suppose I've killed and what was doing the scum, taking a nap?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really want Atpg claiming, I think the info will always help the town more than the scum...

Atpg, if I'm the SK, who were my targets? Did I kill Flexo/El Barto? Did I kill Visor? Who do you suppose I've killed and what was doing the scum, taking a nap?

By Serial Killer, I mean anti-town serial killer-like survival role with extra powers such as being able to day kill so you can remove your rival, Crimson, a guy who you said was a threat to you.

And by anti-town, I mean voting for town power roles instead of, yknow, useful shit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you can kill people who claim their actual role in the game thread, I'm ahead of that particular curve, but great digging.

You can die.

Vote: Riedquat

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reidquat dies and flips SK today, I'll full claim before night is over.

[Montmorency]

Anyway the wind blows, eh?

We have like half the people left abstaining so far. This contest is closer than it seems.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah I'm familiar with the org's lack of players who bother to show up.


I'm a thief! I learn something from the character I visit, not necessarily alignment per se, CrimsonFox is a human and a threat to my survival, my second target is a robot, nothing more stated as result.

My locked secondary ability is doctor but only works on individuals I scanned first, I presume robots only but don't know for sure.

Of course, Crimson isn't the only threat out there.

A doctor ability that probably doesn't exist and has a pre-written excuse for why he isn't targeting obvious town powers with it.

Can find roles like the town vig. And there was a mysterious day kill. I mean, this mystery isn't that hard to solve if people show up and use their brains.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is just going to be cult v mafia all over again.

My votes are on record. Now I have to vote Stork since half my team is awol or suicidal and stork can't be bothered to pretend to scum hunt or vote anyone.

Vote: Stork

I'm really irritated with this game.

[Montmorency]

Watch out, there's madness to his madness.

Looking at the wiki, who are Killbots associated with?

MomCorp.

Who is the dead scum associated with?

Faction: MomCorp.


Explain to me how Killbots belong to solo SKs, Bender or not?

[Zack]

Official Tally

7 Stork (novice, cuth, murska, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg)

3 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat)

1 novice (atheotes)

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4 Not Voting: Choxorn, GeneralHankerchief, Newyn, Stork

1 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hello all.

Just powered through the last ten pages (36+ hours). Not really sure why there aren't competing wagons at the moment. I don't like this.

[Murska]

Urgh. Pizza has gone from 'getting worse' to 'seriously scummy' in the last few pages. But if I leave Stork now I'm going to keep suspecting him in the future and will beat myself up over it if and when he's lynched and turns out scum as well.

I'll switch. Being embarrassed isn't the worst thing that can happen. Let's hear that claim.

Unvote: Stork
Vote: ATPG

On the record I'd rather lynch both.

[Riedquat]

A doctor ability that probably doesn't exist and has a pre-written excuse for why he isn't targeting obvious town powers with it.

Can find roles like the town vig. And there was a mysterious day kill. I mean, this mystery isn't that hard to solve if people show up and use their brains.

Well, you call me doctor but I claimed scanner, I have the vague certainty I won't live to use the doctor ability. Found the town vig on n1/d2, claimed on n2 and daykilled him on d3... right... why the heck I claimed then, to save myself another day just to kill the vig? Honestly imo it would make more sense if I am scum instead of SK.... just saying!

It bothers me the feeling I touched a nerve somewhere, but I'm not stupid enough to know I can't touch a nerve on you... :inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Follow-up:

Granted, I've been miserable on the actual thread detective work in this game (lack of time, etc), but looking at it from a meta perspective, the real lack of any sort of organized resistance to a Stork lynch does not bode well IMO. The closest target is ATPG, whose motives seem legit but eh, I've just seen better from him.

And as for the people voting ATPG, I have Riedquat as lock town (there's no way mafia!Riedquat ever, ever makes those series of posts against CrimsonFox), and like Monty/Pelican for good overall content as well. So I don't see any scum effort in a misdirect there.

This leaves two possibilities:
1) ATPG is scum and is trying to lock this game down right now. He's certainly capable of doing this.
2) ATPG is wrong. He's absolutely capable of being this. (:tongue:)

Gun to my head, I think Scenario 2 is the correct one here.

Vote: novice

[Cuthillius]

Hello all.

Just powered through the last ten pages (36+ hours). Not really sure why there aren't competing wagons at the moment. I don't like this.

No. Not taking any of that. To me the fact that the wagons are stagnant and that people are talking a lot about how it's just these two or now but not doing anything makes me think that people don't want Stork to get lynched. He's getting lynched.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Urgh. Pizza has gone from 'getting worse' to 'seriously scummy' in the last few pages. But if I leave Stork now I'm going to keep suspecting him in the future and will beat myself up over it if and when he's lynched and turns out scum as well.

I'll switch. Being embarrassed isn't the worst thing that can happen. Let's hear that claim.

Unvote: Stork
Vote: ATPG

On the record I'd rather lynch both.

Ooh, hold that thought. Could be the start of some organized resistance...

[Murska]

This post is bloody terrible.

"I think Stork will flip Town. ATPG is being voted by towny people - he might be mafia or town. I'm going to say Town, and vote for a person who happens to have one vote on them instead of trying to hunt for someone who might actually be scum."

Calling ATPG and our good General here scum.


Follow-up:

Granted, I've been miserable on the actual thread detective work in this game (lack of time, etc), but looking at it from a meta perspective, the real lack of any sort of organized resistance to a Stork lynch does not bode well IMO. The closest target is ATPG, whose motives seem legit but eh, I've just seen better from him.

And as for the people voting ATPG, I have Riedquat as lock town (there's no way mafia!Riedquat ever, ever makes those series of posts against CrimsonFox), and like Monty/Pelican for good overall content as well. So I don't see any scum effort in a misdirect there.

This leaves two possibilities:
1) ATPG is scum and is trying to lock this game down right now. He's certainly capable of doing this.
2) ATPG is wrong. He's absolutely capable of being this. (:tongue:)

Gun to my head, I think Scenario 2 is the correct one here.

Vote: novice

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ooh, hold that thought. Could be the start of some organized resistance...

Did a quick ISO of Murska, his progressions are natural enough (not many of them though). He's clear for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This post is bloody terrible.

"I think Stork will flip Town. ATPG is being voted by towny people - he might be mafia or town. I'm going to say Town, and vote for a person who happens to have one vote on them instead of trying to hunt for someone who might actually be scum."

Calling ATPG and our good General here scum.

How would this being true change your perception of Stork?

[Murska]

How would this being true change your perception of Stork?

If it were true, he'd be Town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If it were true, he'd be Town.

Interesting, thanks.

Also your paraphrase of me was spot-on, but I'm not sure how it makes me mafia.

[Murska]

I absolutely must go to sleep very shortly in order to wake up early to potentially assassinate a bunch of my friends on campus.

This is unfortunate, because I'm really curious about how day end goes.

[Montmorency]

To me the fact that the wagons are stagnant and that people are talking a lot about how it's just these two or now but not doing anything makes me think that people don't want Stork to get lynched.

Almost incoherent wording here, but I guess you're just repeating your 'scum want to save Stork' shtick.

Otherwise it would be a trivial comment, right?

[GeneralHankerchief]

You just admitted to being mafia.

[Cuthillius]

You just admitted to being mafia.

he said "potentially"

he's probably a mafia that doesn't know if he'll be able to kill or not at any point in time

[Cuthillius]

Almost incoherent wording here, but I guess you're just repeating your 'scum want to save Stork' shtick.

Otherwise it would be a trivial comment, right?

I'm emphasizing.

[Murska]

Interesting, thanks.

Also your paraphrase of me was spot-on, but I'm not sure how it makes me mafia.

Hm. The issue is that it's precisely the kind of thing mafia does - you're foreseeing a Town flip and distancing from that wagon while voting for a target that you don't really think is mafia, or at least haven't shown any effort attacking. It's also a good way to defend ATPG (set up a different target) without saying that you're defending him (by flip-flopping on 'he might be scum or not') so that if and when he or you get caught, the other one wouldn't be implicated.

As Town I'd expect the following thought process: "I think Stork is being pushed by mafia here. The counterwagon is ATPG, pushed by Towny folk." At this point there's a split - if you have time, you'll go "I'll analyze the Stork wagon to maybe find mafia there, put up a case to try and push them instead." If you're busy you'll go "I'll follow the people I think are Town on ATPG, though voice my concerns about the lack of other targets."

[Murska]

In case any of you are serious, or someone in the future skims things, I'm part of my campus Assassin's Guild and we're attempting to catch each other with water guns, nerf darts and other nefarious implements of fake murder at this time. It's not related to the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If I'm mafia (and so is ATPG), then the easy option to Stork being town is simply dumping my vote on ATPG and calling it a day - especially since I know that ATPG is very very good at wriggling his way out of lynch situations and he won't necessarily be flipped the next day or two.

[Murska]

Bleh, bussing. The high road for lazy mafia.

The question is, if you're Town, why aren't you trying to lynch mafia? Even all these last posts from you are defending yourself against what isn't even a single vote, just a suspicion from one person. If you're town, why would you care that someone's suspicious of you when there's day end nearing and mafia to hunt?

[Dp101]

Doesn't seem that weird, I can easily see both town and scum giving up a little at this point if they don't like the lynch, given how much of the town is inactive it might feel impossible to swing the lynch.

[Montmorency]

Atheotes, Riedquat, GH, and Stork - by ascending order of likelihood - would together be enough to tie the vote.

[Montmorency]

Sorry, I meant Choxorn, not Riedquat.

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Stork

1 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

Honestly I love the wagons as far as having the best suspects in there, I just think Stork's always the lynch here. Pizza is whatever, I don't want to waste time on him. Either he gets NKed, or we press him for a full roleclaim if Stork flips town.

Novice is a cheap lynch and the worst out of any of these from most viewpoints. Not necessarily a bad lynch per se but much less information, still leaves both Stork/ATPG unresolved.

[Dp101]

Is there any possible way that the Pizza/Stork thing is W/W? Maybe it escalated to the point where neither can back down, and now they are locked in as deep wolves? Probably tinfoil, but I think it's important to consider all options.

[Murska]

Doesn't seem that weird, I can easily see both town and scum giving up a little at this point if they don't like the lynch, given how much of the town is inactive it might feel impossible to swing the lynch.

Giving up is bad. How're you going to swing the lynch if you don't try? With several hours to the end, too. And even if you don't manage to change the target today, your analysis is still there for tomorrow.

[Murska]

Besides if you've given up as Town, why not drop a vote on ATPG, whom you're ambivalent on but who's being pushed by your town reads and is the closest counterwagon to Stork whom you think is Town?

[Choxorn]

Even before the claim, yesterday's Riedquat wagon looked lazy and lynchbait-y. I'm especially not liking Winston dropping a placeholder vote on the lead wagon, that set off serious alarm bells at the time, but the rest of his posts are looking ok enough for me to not want to lynch him. My condolences to Winston as well.

I'm not seeing the stork wagon, not quite sure why Cuth and Stork seem to be focused disproportionately on one another as compared to the rest of the players, but I don't know if that's particularly telling for either of them. I tend to think tunneling is townier rather than wolfier, so I'll put my money down tentatively on town-town, that if one of the two but I'll double down on my assertion from yesterday that if one of them is scum, it's Cuthalion.

Monty's looking increasingly better and better, and now I find myself wanting to follow him onto Pizza mostly based on yesterday's eod. Am I remembering right that he voted at least once for all of the lead wagons towards eod? If so, it really seems like he didn't care at all who got lynched, which is one of the wolfiest wolf tells around in my opinion. So I'll start with a vote:Pizza today.

Something about this post jumped out to me as seeming off. It just seems like what a wolf would post if his scumbuddy Stork was the leading wagon and he was trying to get the wagon to someone other than stork.

Looking at Pelican's posts the past few days, he mostly tunnels Monty and later Pizza when Pizza became the second-leading wagon and nobody agreed with Pelican that Monty was scummy, he's mentioned a lot of other people briefly but never goes into any detail on anyone but Monty or Pizza, he's said a few times he thinks Stork is town but doesn't seem to want to defend him too strongly. He seems to want to leave most of his options open on other players while having strong feelings on a few to make it look like he's scumhunting.

If Stork is scum, there's a good chance Pelican is one of his scumbuddies. And right now, I'm thinking Stork is more likely to be scum than Pizza.

Vote: Stork

[Cuthillius]

Is there any possible way that the Pizza/Stork thing is W/W? Maybe it escalated to the point where neither can back down, and now they are locked in as deep wolves? Probably tinfoil, but I think it's important to consider all options.

Cool, then we'll lynch a wolf either way.

But I doubt it. Players like that don't escalate cases on each other repeatedly when they know they can't clear each other.

As it is lynching one of them will make the other one less suspicious, but not clear them

[Cuthillius]

Besides if you've given up as Town, why not drop a vote on ATPG, whom you're ambivalent on but who's being pushed by your town reads and is the closest counterwagon to Stork whom you think is Town?

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

[Murska]

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

Yeah, DP was saying General is giving up.

[Dp101]

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

Yeah, I was the one that interpreted Murska'a opinion on General's actions that way. It felt like Murska was saying that's what the General was doing and that that action was scummy, so I was disagreeing with the argument I saw. Really it's my fault.

[Zack]

Official Tally

7 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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2 Not Voting: Newyn, Stork

1 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[El Barto]

there isn't a maj in effect is there?
Read the rules, dog!

Possibly maf gets a vig on people who claim their role too clearly?
Erm, no?

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.
You're mafia. Lynch this person! Lynch him! And his counter-waggon-starter Pelican along with him!

If I have to hard claim everything just to get people to actually look at anyone besides me or Stork I'm going to have stern words in post.
Is it a Problem Sleuth-style ‘strongly worded letter’?

[El Barto]

So, meatbags: Uncle Flexo recommends that you lynch Stork, Pelican and Montmorency (mafia) and also kumquat (cereal killer or perhaps cultmeister?)

[Dp101]

The setup said no cults I think.

[Al Sipsclar]

Well, that finishes this paperwork.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F4OduqrtQ

Who should I vote now?

[Newyn]

Vote: Stork
Don't see much harm in letting Pizza live for one more day.

[Cuthillius]

Well, that finishes this paperwork.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F4OduqrtQ

Who should I vote now?

Stork.

[Cuthillius]

The setup said no cults I think.

Ask Visor about that sometime.

[Dp101]

That sounds ominous.

[Zack]

Official Tally

8 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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2 Not Voting: Al Sipsclar, Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Al Sipsclar]

Very well, Vote: Stork

[Riedquat]

Well, lets hope for the best, Stork being scum... :shrug:

[Zack]

Official Tally

9 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn, al sips)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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1 Not Voting: Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

if stork scum there's definitely bussing going on

thankfully i think he is

[Stork]

9 minutes huh

cuth/pizza/murska maybe

i don't get to talk after i die unfortunately

[Stork]

Vote: Cuthalion

[Stork]

Cool, then we'll lynch a wolf either way.

But I doubt it. Players like that don't escalate cases on each other repeatedly when they know they can't clear each other.

As it is lynching one of them will make the other one less suspicious, but not clear them

lol @ this

[Cuthillius]

9 minutes huh

cuth/pizza/murska maybe

i don't get to talk after i die unfortunately

claim your role right now

[Zack]

Official Tally

9 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn, al sips)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

1 Cuth (Stork)

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Stork]

newyn is still a likely villager

[Stork]

claim your role right now

im a wolf awoooooooooooooo


nah just kidding, that would be funny though

[Stork]

wolves are given cover roles and claims anyway so its not like it would matter :shrug:

[Stork]

Vote: ATPG i guess