Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/YGlxHan.png



Game Start (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053712787&viewfull=1#post2053712787)

Day 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053713428#post2053713428)

Night 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053713687&viewfull=1#post2053713687)

Day 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053714553&viewfull=1#post2053714553)

Night 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053714826#post2053714826)

CrimsonFox's death by Killbot (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053715182&viewfull=1#post2053715182)

Day 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053715517#post2053715517)

Night 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053715723#post2053715723)

Day 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716377&viewfull=1#post2053716377)

Night 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716669&viewfull=1#post2053716669)

Day 5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053717112&viewfull=1#post2053717112)

Night 5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053717233&viewfull=1#post2053717233)

Day 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053717724&viewfull=1#post2053717724)

Night 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053717851#post2053717851)

Day 7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053718206&viewfull=1#post2053718206)

Night 7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053718365&viewfull=1#post2053718365)

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/hMhhj.png




https://i.imgur.com/pAsT4.png



You must read these rules before playing.

Even if your ass is shiny and metal.





Setup

~ The Town fights to keep the status quo in New New York. They seek to eliminate the mafia and any hostile third-parties. (Note - there may or may not be more than one town-aligned faction, though there will only be one main "Town" faction.) A sample townie Role PM is shown below:


character quote


character picture


character name



Player: name

Role: name (http://theinfosphere.org/name)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third-Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.


-----


If you have any questions, ask me privately.

:2thumbsup::
~ The Mafia are mustache-twirling villains who seek to rule New New York. They must eliminate the town and any hostile third-parties.

~ There may or may not be Third-Party factions in the game. This may take the form of additional mafia teams, serial killers, or something else. They win by eliminating the town, mafia, and any other hostile third-parties.

~ There may or may not be Neutral factions in the game. Neutral parties have their own goals. They are not a threat to mafia, town, or third-party victories.

~ There may or may not be factions which do not exactly fit into any of the above categories.

~ This game features special abilities and unique characters. Most players will be vanilla. There are no jesters, cults, or lynch-resistant roles.

~ You cannot brute force the game using a spreadsheet, mass role reveal, or your knowledge of the universe. Roles have solid cover PMs where appropriate.

~ Character name and faction will be immediately revealed when a player dies.


Posting and Communication

~ Posting is allowed during both the Day and Night phases.

~ You are allowed to post your Role PM in the thread. Mafia have good cover roles, so these prove nothing. Please spoiler it and remove the quote tags if you choose to do so.

~ Private communication with other players is forbidden, unless I explicitly tell you otherwise. You cannot privately talk about the game to living players, dead players, or people who are not in the game. This includes private messages, QuickTopics, instant messaging, and so on. The only person you can talk to about the game privately is me, or your fellow players in a host-created QuickTopic I give you access to.

~ Do not edit your posts for any reason. If you edit a post containing a vote, that vote will be rendered invalid.

~ Do not quote any private communications or post any QuickTopic links in the public game thread. Do not directly quote anything I say to you in private (with the exception of your Role PM). This also applies to screenshots.

~ Dead vanilla townies can keep posting in the thread. Any other dead players cannot.

~ You are expected to vote each day, and post at least once - more is preferred, but that is the absolute minimum. If you fail to meet those requirements, I reserve the right to remove you from the game (via substitution or modkill). Do not talk about substitutions or modkills in the thread.


Day and Night

~ Day is typically around 48 hours (always at least 40), and Night is usually about 24 hours (always at least 20).

~ There are no abilities which affect deadlines.

~ Phases may be extended for whatever reason, but they will never end prematurely.

~ A timer showing the exact amount of time remaining in the phase will be provided at each phase update and with each posted tally.

~ Vote tallies will be posted frequently throughout the Day. Players are free to make and post their own tallies, but I will not use them and they should be taken with a grain of salt.

~ During the Day, players vote for each other (e.g. Vote: Zack). Vote tags are mandatory, a simple bolding will not suffice. Unvoting is not required - simply make a new vote. Voting for No Lynch is allowed. Abstaining is not allowed at any time.

~ There may or may not be abilities which can be used during the Day phase.

~ During the Night phase, players send in night actions if they have an ability which requires one. Night action feedback will be minimal, and you may not always receive a PM from me.

I think that covers it. If you have any questions, CTRL+F the rules first, then ask me.

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/mBmZ4cC.png


Zack: "Mediocre news, everyone! I'm out on parole and ready to host this game."

Zack's triumphant declaration is met with a chorus of resigned mutters.

Zack: "That's the spirit! Now lettuce find our enemies and destroy them. Romaine calm, inquisitive, and spinach."

Enemy of the State: "I didn't quite catch the last part."

Zack: "Guards! Kale this dissenter."

pew pew pew

Zack: "Blood has been spilled. I pray that is the end of it."

It wasn't.

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It is now Day One.

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule


Alive: 22

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
BSmith
Choxorn
CrimsonFox
Cuthillius
Dp101
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
seireikhaan
spaceman98
Stork
Visor
Winston Hughes

[Winston Hughes]

vote:

[Winston Hughes]

john

[Zack]

Tally

Error (invalid vote): Winston Hughes

21 not voting

[Winston Hughes]

hugh

[Winston Hughes]

thom

[Winston Hughes]

Tally

Error (invalid vote): Winston Hughes

21 not voting

https://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll235/WinstonHughes/smilies/flipa.gif (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/WinstonHughes/media/smilies/flipa.gif.html)

[Dp101]

Vote Novice

[Dp101]

Have to kill the only one here I have played with before, you know how it is. Hopefully I figure out the vote formatting before lynch time.

[Winston Hughes]

RB hydra team showing goat wim here.

[Winston Hughes]

Have to kill the only one here I have played with before, you know how it is. Hopefully I figure out the vote formatting before lynch time.

First vote is a sign of affection.

How does it feel randing town for the first time, btw?

[CrimsonFox]

bong bong BANG BANG bung bung BONG BONG
bong bong BANG BANG bung bung BONG BONG bing
bongbong BANGBANG bung bungBINGBANG BONG

deeeeeeeeeee doooooooooooooo duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu doooooooooooooo deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t

dupadupadupaudpadupadupadupadup SPLAT!

*drip drip drip drip *

[Dp101]

First vote is a sign of affection.

How does it feel randing town for the first time, btw?

Very odd, I actually have to doubt myself for the first time. Playing as mafia is so much simpler, you know everything already.

[Cuthillius]

vote:spaceman

It's been a while, friend.

[Visor]

vote Winston

[Winston Hughes]

vote Winston

You're not john. He's better looking.

[Visor]

vote johnhughthom

[Montmorency]

Very odd, I actually have to doubt myself for the first time. Playing as mafia is so much simpler, you know everything already.

I'm mafia and I don't know everything. First rule of Mafia Club is that you don't know anything.

Vote: Dp101

[Murska]

I'm town and I know everything.

Vote: Newyn

[Dp101]

I'm mafia and I don't know everything. First rule of Mafia Club is that you don't know anything.

Vote: Dp101
Guys I found the wolf Vote: Montmorency

[Montmorency]

"Wolf" is obviously a third-party role. Hostile, certainly. Lynch this guy.

[Winston Hughes]

vote johnhughthom

Terrible thing, envy.

[Winston Hughes]

Visor/Cuth/Monty/Crimson

Game solved.

[novice]

Riedquat for joining El Barto in pre-game voting.

[CrimsonFox]

gosh vote-a-palooza

[CrimsonFox]

vote winston

[novice]

Riedquat?
Vote Riedquat?
Vote: Riedquat
Vote: Riedquat

Where are the mandatory vote tags?

[Montmorency]

Visor/Cuth/Monty/Crimson

Game solved.

I agree on Visor. I don't know who those others are, so they can die or be innocent.

[Winston Hughes]

vote winston

You have nice hair, but my heart belongs to john.

[Zack]

Riedquat?
Vote Riedquat?
Vote: Riedquat
Vote: Riedquat

Where are the mandatory vote tags?
you just use [b]

I meant you need to include bold AND "Vote: " rather than just bolding a name

[Stork]

sup bubs

villager as fuck

be back later

[Winston Hughes]

Riedquat for joining El Barto in pre-game voting.

Best vote justification so far, which means you're probably neutral or third party.

Suggest hardclaim now, to avoid future scepticism.

[Winston Hughes]

Stork's intro says he'll play this badman.

Non-indicative, strictly speaking. But he gets a free town point for karma.

[Stork]

Stork's intro says he'll play this badman.

Non-indicative, strictly speaking. But he gets a free town point for karma.

neato

[Choxorn]

sup bubs

villager as fuck

be back later

Vote: Stork for not making this a Haiku. 2-5-4? What kind of syllable pattern is that?

[El Barto]

vote: Novice for voting pre-game voters.

Riedquat?
Vote Riedquat?
Vote: Riedquat
Vote: Riedquat

Where are the mandatory vote tags?
You ignorant playernoob!

Best vote justification so far, which means you're probably neutral or third party.

Suggest hardclaim now, to avoid future scepticism.
He should hardclaim survivor, then?

Visooooooor!

[Stork]

Vote: Stork for not making this a Haiku. 2-5-4? What kind of syllable pattern is that?

death to weebs

[Visor]

Serious vote: Vote: winston hughes

if you're not lynched I'm shooting you tonight

[Dp101]

Serious vote: Vote: winston hughes

if you're not lynched I'm shooting you tonight

Firstly, Vig claim? Secondly, I'm not seeing why this vote is any more serious than the others, you don't appear to have a case.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is going to be most amusing. :laugh4:

[El Barto]

you don't appear to have a case.
Pffft. As if it were Day Two already.

[Pelican]

Vote Stork because there's only room for one fine feathered friend 'round these parts. Also he dropped a baby on me.

[Visor]

Firstly, Vig claim? Secondly, I'm not seeing why this vote is any more serious than the others, you don't appear to have a case.

i'm good like that

[El Barto]

i'm good
Says who?

[Dp101]

Pffft. As if it were Day Two already.

You have a point, but the way he phrased his vote made it seem to me like he wanted to make more of a day 2 post.

[Dp101]

i'm good like that

Today I learned not to try and bring logic into mafia games.

[El Barto]

Good! Tomorrow you can learn to multi-quote.

[Visor]

i am voting winston mostly on the tone of his posts

plus that post about stork seemed fake

[Visor]

he also seems overly interested in this game

maybe thats because he recruited a few fellows

maybe because its an org game

i don't know

all i know is its interesting

the stork free town point post, whether town or scum, i didn't like it

[Dp101]

he also seems overly interested in this game

maybe thats because he recruited a few fellows

maybe because its an org game

i don't know

all i know is its interesting

the stork free town point post, whether town or scum, i didn't like it

Thanks for explaining your reasoning. I agree on the odd assignment of town points this early, but I dislike reading enthusiasm as mafia. For all we know at this stage, he rolled cop (assuming there is a cop) or some other power role. He also might just be happy about recruitment, as you yourself admitted.

[Visor]

Thanks for explaining your reasoning. I agree on the odd assignment of town points this early, but I dislike reading enthusiasm as mafia. For all we know at this stage, he rolled cop (assuming there is a cop) or some other power role. He also might just be happy about recruitment, as you yourself admitted.

oh for sure

i don't want him to stop making posts, its just interesting to me along with the other post

(i doubt there is a true alignment cop in this game, they are quite rare on this site).

[El Barto]

With Zack as a GM?

[Visor]

Vote: generalhankerchief

gut feeling

[El Barto]

Arrrr. The meatbag Hankerchief says this is going to be amusing. This could be a reference to the Goodfellas film, in which ye better be careful not to be gutted, meatbag Visor. Savvy?

[CrimsonFox]

vote stork

please report to the nearest suicide booth for saying "bub"

[CrimsonFox]

Vote Stork because there's only room for one fine feathered friend 'round these parts. Also he dropped a baby on me.

LOL!

<3

best reason for a vote i've EVER heard

[novice]

What does badman mean?


Best vote justification so far, which means you're probably neutral or third party.

Suggest hardclaim now, to avoid future scepticism.
I'm not third party, if I claim that later, lynch me with a vengeance.


Vote Stork because there's only room for one fine feathered friend 'round these parts. Also he dropped a baby on me.
Finger Of Suspicion for making the funniest opening post so far. (Although I probably missed a thousand inside jokes.)


Good! Tomorrow you can learn to multi-quote.
I laughed, and learned to multi-quote. :)

[novice]

Dp101, any gut reads so far?

[Dp101]

Dp101, any gut reads so far?

El Barto seems a little more hostile than seems to make sense so far, but maybe I'm just not that familiar with his sense of humour. Visor seems reasonable so far, but he could just be mafia trying to make seemingly good reads early to establish town cred via trying harder than everyone else. Winston's assignment of town points seems a little early, but it might just be a different style. Basically, overall slight town read on Visor, no one else has really posted enough yet.

[Visor]

El Barto seems a little more hostile than seems to make sense so far, but maybe I'm just not that familiar with his sense of humour. Visor seems reasonable so far, but he could just be mafia trying to make seemingly good reads early to establish town cred via trying harder than everyone else. Winston's assignment of town points seems a little early, but it might just be a different style. Basically, overall slight town read on Visor, no one else has really posted enough yet.

Why are my reads good?

[Montmorency]

Visor, you reasoning on Winston being special is all very neat, but so far I only agree that you need something less-than-lethal done to you tonight. That GH vote was wrong-headed if I'll call it anything.

[Newyn]

I'm town and I know everything.

Vote: Newyn

Well, you clearly don't know everything looking at that vote. Thanks for outing yourself as mafia though.

Vote: Murska

[novice]

Newyn, you say Murska outed himself, but no comment on the guy who actually claimed mafia as part of the same conversation? Do you have anything to contribute apart from a lame revenge vote?

[Dp101]

Why are my reads good?

Because you were the first one to explain them, which is a move that is very risky as mafia because the longer mafia can wait before everyone is making actual cases the more time they have before they need to defend themselves.

[Riedquat]

Uhh... logic in a first day... things changed a bit in my absence...

I demand to know why Newyn has only 3 posts, that is not possible I'm not that crazy! :inquisitive:

And again, Vote: El Barto for the exact same reasons as yesterday, no townie is around 3 am on a sunday morning or saturday night depending how you see it.


:)

[novice]

Because you were the first one to explain them, which is a move that is very risky as mafia because the longer mafia can wait before everyone is making actual cases the more time they have before they need to defend themselves.

Sounds like you're explaining why making reads is good. But why were the reads he made good reads?

[Montmorency]

Because Mafia think they know everything, even if they don't. :smug:

[Dp101]

Sounds like you're explaining why making reads is good. But why were the reads he made good reads?

Right, that's my point. Any reads at this point are a risk, so being willing to make them I see as a sign of town. Also, i liked how he calmly replied to questions about his opinion and was ok with admitting that on a couple of points he could be wrong, again, mafia would want to wait for a stronger case.

[novice]

But you said he was making seemingly good reads.

[Dp101]

But you said he was making seemingly good reads.

Yes, again, because they were confident, not because they were rock solid.

[Montmorency]

Mafia love confident townies. Verily, it is certainty that kills.

[Pelican]

Yes, again, because they were confident, not because they were rock solid.

So the actual content of the reads is not as relevant than the attitude with which the reads were made/the vibe?


Newyn, you say Murska outed himself, but no comment on the guy who actually claimed mafia as part of the same conversation? Do you have anything to contribute apart from a lame revenge vote?

In other news, a lot of people have made pretty much meaningless joke votes, why latch on to this one?

[Dp101]

So the actual content of the reads is not as relevant than the attitude with which the reads were made/the vibe?

At this stage, yes. Proper cases with better reasoning come later.

[novice]

So the actual content of the reads is not as relevant than the attitude with which the reads were made/the vibe?



In other news, a lot of people have made pretty much meaningless joke votes, why latch on to this one?

I sort of wondered myself what made the post stick in my craw. Something about the revenge aspect and the absence of a joke, perhaps? And it just seems so incongruent to say Murska outed himself when the poster before him literally said "I am mafia".

[novice]

Also the thread is filling up with stuff that's worth commenting on.

[johnhughthom]

Ahem, the game does not begin until I say "Let the games begin".

Insolent peasants.

[novice]

Very odd, I actually have to doubt myself for the first time. Playing as mafia is so much simpler, you know everything already.


Stork's intro says he'll play this badman.

Non-indicative, strictly speaking. But he gets a free town point for karma.

What's so bad about this post, anyway, Dp and Visor? Even as he hands out the town point he retracts it by saying it's non-indicative.

[novice]

The Dp quote was included by accident, I was doubting its sincerity on a reread.

[CrimsonFox]

Also the thread is filling up with stuff that's worth commenting on.

this comment sucks

[El Barto]

I'm not third party, if I claim that later, lynch me with a vengeance.
We'll hold you to that, meatbag.

I laughed, and learned to multi-quote. :)
As expected.

Also the thread is filling up with stuff that's worth commenting on.
Such as…?

Ahem, the game does not begin until I say "Let the games begin".

Insolent peasants.
But you've just said ‘let the games begin’. It's right there in your post.

[Dp101]

What's so bad about this post, anyway, Dp and Visor? Even as he hands out the town point he retracts it by saying it's non-indicative.

Firstly, I'm not sure what my quote is doing in that post. Secondly, again, everything is tone reads at this point, and I much prefer people making confident reads to people assigning single maybe-town points to inconsiquential actions so they can either kynch or save them later.

[Dp101]

Sorry for accidentally including the thing about my quote being included, I massively x-posted with everyone.

[El Barto]

Ye should apologise fer not talkin' like a pirate today.

[novice]

this comment sucks
Touché. :)


everything is tone reads at this point, and I much prefer people making confident reads to people assigning single maybe-town points to inconsiquential actions so they can either kynch or save them later.

Ah, so the problem is that it's a maybe-town point? I thought the problem was that it was too early to give out town points.


I agree on the odd assignment of town points this early


Winston's assignment of town points seems a little early, but it might just be a different style.


Such as…?

You can tell me whether I'm splitting hairs or Dp101 is scumming it up.

[El Barto]

Why be ye sayin' tha' Dp101 be scummin' it up?

[Dp101]

Ah, so the problem is that it's a maybe-town point? I thought the problem was that it was too early to give out town points.



My problem with it is that every town point is a maybe town point at this point, as it is too early to really give them out. Therefore, saying that someone is probably town at the point Winston did, where there is basically no evidence at that point, is a easy thing to say to give the illusion of having content while not actually saying anything. It doesn't even tie them down that much because as mentioned earlier it is day one and since nearly everything is meaningless it is easy to state that you were wrong if you painted your mafia buddy as town. Really, I think that you are much more likely mafia at this point. You keep piling on the pressure onto someone who has made small logical gaps in the hopes that people will think inconsistency = mafia, and thus secure an easy early mislynch. If you are town, I would have thought that you are experienced enough to know that everyone slips up, both mafia and town. As it is, the fact that you don't give me the benefit of the doubt makes me suspect you.

[novice]

My problem with it is that every town point is a maybe town point at this point, as it is too early to really give them out. Therefore, saying that someone is probably town at the point Winston did, where there is basically no evidence at that point, is a easy thing to say to give the illusion of having content while not actually saying anything. It doesn't even tie them down that much because as mentioned earlier it is day one and since nearly everything is meaningless it is easy to state that you were wrong if you painted your mafia buddy as town. Really, I think that you are much more likely mafia at this point. You keep piling on the pressure onto someone who has made small logical gaps in the hopes that people will think inconsistency = mafia, and thus secure an easy early mislynch. If you are town, I would have thought that you are experienced enough to know that everyone slips up, both mafia and town. As it is, the fact that you don't give me the benefit of the doubt makes me suspect you.

Ah, so you admit to slipping up? /jk

Yes, I'm piling up the pressure. Who says I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt, though? You'll notice I'm not voting for you.

So giving out town points is meaningless, but showing confidence in your reads is good?

[novice]

You keep piling on the pressure onto someone who has made small logical gaps in the hopes that people will think inconsistency = mafia, and thus secure an easy early mislynch. If you are town, I would have thought that you are experienced enough to know that everyone slips up, both mafia and town.

FWIW I would agree that this is a possible way to play as mafia. I would like to think though that mafia slips up more often than town, and that the behaviour where you slightly modify your reasoning from post to post is seen more often in scum than in town.

I'd be interested to hear what the players from other communities think though.

RealmsBeyond, where I hail from, is rather infamous for the "inconsistency = scum" meta even though that is clearly not a golden rule.

[Winston Hughes]

Serious vote: Vote: winston hughes

if you're not lynched I'm shooting you tonight
i am voting winston mostly on the tone of his posts

plus that post about stork seemed fake
he also seems overly interested in this game

maybe thats because he recruited a few fellows

maybe because its an org game

i don't know

all i know is its interesting

the stork free town point post, whether town or scum, i didn't like it

Last night was just booze-fuelled nonsense.

Are you suggesting I was being serious, though?

Because it kinda looks like that's what you're saying...

[Dp101]

Ah, so you admit to slipping up? /jk

Yes, I'm piling up the pressure. Who says I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt, though? You'll notice I'm not voting for you.

So giving out town points is meaningless, but showing confidence in your reads is good?

Ok, I apologise for the comment about you not being fair with your reads, you are right, you are at least not voting me. And yeah, I know the last part kind of is a contradiction. In my defence, my initial reads list which sparked all this was posted at midnight my time, so I wasn't really thinking clearly. Anyway, I don't think I'm going to come up with a more coherent opinion right now, I will try and solidify my thoughts on day 1 meta at a different time.

[Dp101]

FWIW I would agree that this is a possible way to play as mafia. I would like to think though that mafia slips up more often than town, and that the behaviour where you slightly modify your reasoning from post to post is seen more often in scum than in town.

I'd be interested to hear what the players from other communities think though.

RealmsBeyond, where I hail from, is rather infamous for the "inconsistency = scum" meta even though that is clearly not a golden rule.

I agree with the idea that changing arguments constantly from post to post helps mafia more than town, but I really dislike the RB meta that makes changing your opinion a death sentence (guess why I wanted to play on a different site for once), as I tend to modify my theories over time and that seems to make some people think I'm mafia.

[El Barto]

RealmsBeyond, where I hail from, is rather infamous for the "inconsistency = scum" meta even though that is clearly not a golden rule.
If such were the case we should lynch all players simultaneously.

[Winston Hughes]

i don't want him to stop making posts, its just interesting to me along with the other post

Here's that word 'interesting' again.

With no further explanation, that's an awfully cheap way of planting a suggestion of scumminess in readers' minds.


Vote: generalhankerchief

gut feeling

No idea what to make of this, coming so soon after the case on me.


Visor, you reasoning on Winston being special is all very neat, but so far I only agree that you need something less-than-lethal done to you tonight. That GH vote was wrong-headed if I'll call it anything.

And this follow up from Monty seems pretty inexplicable too.

Maybe I'm missing some subtext here, but I don't understand the thinking behind it on any of the three points (Visor's reasoning on me; the talk of Visor being targeted tonight; the GH vote being 'wrong-headed').

[Winston Hughes]

Thanks for explaining your reasoning. I agree on the odd assignment of town points this early, but I dislike reading enthusiasm as mafia. For all we know at this stage, he rolled cop (assuming there is a cop) or some other power role. He also might just be happy about recruitment, as you yourself admitted.

I gave him a town point 'for karma' after explicitly saying it was non-indicative.

Did you really think there was anything meaningful in that? That I might refer back to it later in some kind of justification?

p.s. My preferred townie role (and second favourite role overall after SK) is vanilla town. Rolling cop would be more likely to kill my enthusiasm than boost it. Cops can bite my shiny metal etc.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Cuthilius

I saw him over-spicing a spicy meat-a-ball with the spice weasel. BAM!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote Stork because there's only room for one fine feathered friend 'round these parts. Also he dropped a baby on me.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uEG0E6Vqu1s/hqdefault.jpg

Hmmm.... associates with known Italians, too....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Today I learned not to try and bring logic into mafia games.

Logic and chaos are both fine choices, whichever floats your boat.

[Winston Hughes]

What does badman mean?

rascal, ne'er-do-well, scoundrel, scallywag

I was referring both to the use of street parlance in his greeting, and the use of profanity in his declaration of alignment.

[Winston Hughes]

Yes, again, because they were confident, not because they were rock solid.

Visor's reads are always confident when he's got little or nothing to go on.

He doesn't always like to explain them, though.

The fact he did so here is not a great look on him, even if (as I suspect) he knew how exactly how bad the explanation was.

And the fact you seem to have at least partially bought that explanation isn't a great look for you, while we're at it.

[El Barto]

p.s. My preferred townie role (and second favourite role overall after SK) is vanilla town. Rolling cop would be more likely to kill my enthusiasm than boost it. Cops can bite my shiny metal etc.
You claimin' to be da real stuff? Ain't got nothin' on this metal keyster, grandpa!

[Montmorency]

Winston, I disliked Visor's turn to GH because GH's post is typical for him, c.f. that game where he was posting like that so I took the pressure off mellow Barto and pushed GH's lynch on LYLO when in fact Barto was scum all along. It was this year's Kingslayer game. Barto night-killed you, didn't he?

[Montmorency]

How long has Visor been gone (from the Gameroom)?

[El Barto]

How long has Visor been gone (from the Gameroom)?
Thou shalt not metagame in vain.

[Montmorency]

Metagame metagame everywhere.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, I disliked Visor's turn to GH because GH's post is typical for him, c.f. that game where he was posting like that so I took the pressure off mellow Barto and pushed GH's lynch on LYLO when in fact Barto was scum all along. It was this year's Kingslayer game. Barto night-killed you, didn't he?

No, don't believe I was in that one.

It does make a little more sense of one part of your post.

Still not clear on the other two, though.

[Murska]

Vote: Cuthillion

Can't argue with pizzaguy.

[CrimsonFox]

Metagame metagame everywhere.

yet not a nibbler to poop

[novice]

So when do you guys normally start playing? If this is your day one, why not start with a night zero?

Does Visor enjoy playing scum?

[Zack]

you just use [b]

I meant you need to include bold AND "Vote: " rather than just bolding a name

@ everyone

Please use the colon. It makes it 10x easier to tally votes when I can just ctrl+f "Vote:".

[Zack]

Official Tally

3 Stork (Choxorn, Pelican, CrimsonFox)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 El Barto (Riedquat)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Visor)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Murska (Newyn)
1 novice (El Barto)
1 Riedquat (novice)
1 spaceman98 (Cuthillius)

---

4 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, johnhughthom, Stork, Winston Hughes

5 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar, atheotes, BSmith, seireikhaan, spaceman98

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Newyn]

I sort of wondered myself what made the post stick in my craw. Something about the revenge aspect and the absence of a joke, perhaps? And it just seems so incongruent to say Murska outed himself when the poster before him literally said "I am mafia".

The previous poster also didn't mention my name and is not called Murska so I can honestly say that I didn't even read that post :D

[Winston Hughes]

My problem with it is that every town point is a maybe town point at this point, as it is too early to really give them out.

It's never too early to give town points. Especially for karma.


Therefore, saying that someone is probably town at the point Winston did, where there is basically no evidence at that point, is a easy thing to say to give the illusion of having content while not actually saying anything.

This might be a decent point if I hadn't been spamming up the thread with all manner of nonsense.

A better line would be that I was posting shite just to look active.

The truth is that I was just enjoying myself and hopefully giving people stuff to talk about.


Really, I think that you are much more likely mafia at this point. You keep piling on the pressure onto someone who has made small logical gaps in the hopes that people will think inconsistency = mafia, and thus secure an easy early mislynch. If you are town, I would have thought that you are experienced enough to know that everyone slips up, both mafia and town. As it is, the fact that you don't give me the benefit of the doubt makes me suspect you.

Am I going to regret telling you my whole townie playbook in our pre-hydra discussions?

Confidence says you're thinking like a townie. Paranoia says I told you exactly how to do that.

[Winston Hughes]

Ahem, the game does not begin until I say "Let the games begin".

Insolent peasants.

vote: johnhughthom

We both know it's going be D1 or lylo.

You feel like taking it all the way?

[Dp101]

Am I going to regret telling you my whole townie playbook in our pre-hydra discussions?

Confidence says you're thinking like a townie. Paranoia says I told you exactly how to do that.

Yeah, I was a little worried that I would end up reflexively viewing you as town because of the hydra game and Novice as town because of the shared original community. Right now it seems like I was overcompensating for any bias I might have had and was viewing the both of you as more scummy than you are. Now however I have gained the clarity to realise that Novice is probably just either trying really really hard to find some kind of mafia or he thinks I'm mafia because that is all he has seen me play. As for you telling me too much, don't worry, you left yourself an out with the "will occasionally get drunk and post whatever" clause.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay back from a rough workday and actually ready to contribute (at least until the Eagles game starts).

Why is Stork carrying three votes?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, CrimsonFox has been around a lot since he's made the Stork vote, including indicating particular posts he wasn't a fan of. Since we've already established that Fox won't hesitate to drop a vote on someone, why's the vote still on your original target?

[Visor]

Vote: CrimsonFox

as much as I don't like voting people new to the site, i like the vote

probably wrong on gh, jury is out on winston

dp is okay

the guy who said stuff about when do we start playing is probably a villager but his tone is meh

monty is meh

stork is meh but probably a villager

[Visor]

also john n0 villager

[CrimsonFox]

Okay, CrimsonFox has been around a lot since he's made the Stork vote, including indicating particular posts he wasn't a fan of. Since we've already established that Fox won't hesitate to drop a vote on someone, why's the vote still on your original target?

it isn't?

[GeneralHankerchief]

it isn't?

It was per Zack's tally.

[CrimsonFox]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read

[CrimsonFox]

It was per Zack's tally.

i voted for winston earlier

part just cause he was speaking and part because he was just votevotevoteing before anyone had even done anything. but that's kinda indicative of not much.

[CrimsonFox]

vote winston

here

[CrimsonFox]

so there is still a day left to vote? guess i need to go read more instructions...

[Visor]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read

we are a fairly casual site in that we start slow and don't expect a huge amount

stork has some interesting tonal qualities to his game, but he probably needs to post more for any sort of real read

[CrimsonFox]

Visor/Cuth/Monty/Crimson

Game solved.

oh yeah that's the other thing i saw in winston...

but meh overzealous villager willing to vote the only people he saw post :P

[CrimsonFox]

in the anonymous hydra game i ran, some people were saying "of COURSE that is stork"
when i really had no idea stork even had a "thing"

manasi of course was pretty easy to pick out unless stork was imitating her

[CrimsonFox]

sup bubs

villager as fuck

be back later

huh

stork swears...who knew

[Visor]

atpg maybe a villager idk

i am not gonna take the reigns on the lynch today

unless its on someone i think is town

[CrimsonFox]

okay here's a more serious vote...

vote el barto

[seireikhaan]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read
Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

[CrimsonFox]

atpg maybe a villager idk

i am not gonna take the reigns on the lynch today

unless its on someone i think is town

~:confused:

[CrimsonFox]

Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

i believe that is what i just said.
when in fact I was accused of leaving my first vote on stork based on nothing...well that much is true but it was because i just hadn't formed any opinions yet.

don't really like this whining really

[seireikhaan]

i believe that is what i just said.
when in fact I was accused of leaving my first vote on stork based on nothing...well that much is true but it was because i just hadn't formed any opinions yet.

don't really like this whining really
Vote: CrimsonFox

I get off work and and am trying to get some clarifying on 5 pages of posting that mostly has gone over my head and suddenly I'm a whiner? Take your spite vote.

[CrimsonFox]

Vote: CrimsonFox

I get off work and and am trying to get some clarifying on 5 pages of posting that mostly has gone over my head and suddenly I'm a whiner? Take your spite vote.

YUM!

[Visor]

Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

[Visor]

i think khaan is town

[Zack]

okay here's a more serious vote...

vote el barto

I already said this in big purple font - seriously use a colon or i won't count it

I'm just going to ctrl+f "vote:", if I don't find your vote that way it's not showing up in the tally

[CrimsonFox]

some people are colorblind

i'm big purple font blind

vote: El Barto

with a side of hanky

[CrimsonFox]

i think khaan is town

don't you mean KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

18917

[CrimsonFox]

atpg maybe a villager idk

i am not gonna take the reigns on the lynch today

unless its on someone i think is town

seriously visor. what did you mean to say here. cause currently it reads like you want to lynch someone that you think is town

[Winston Hughes]

i think khaan is town

:verycool:

[Dp101]

seriously visor. what did you mean to say here. cause currently it reads like you want to lynch someone that you think is town

I read it as "only going to intervene if someone I think is town would be lynched otherwise".

[Visor]

seriously visor. what did you mean to say here. cause currently it reads like you want to lynch someone that you think is town

i meant i am only going to step in if someone i think is town is getting lynched

[GeneralHankerchief]

Does Crimson usually multipost like this if he's under pressure?

[Montmorency]

gmmmm

hmmmm

[Montmorency]

I'm sorry, but the Gameroom isn't that diminished for this to count as 5 days' worth of posting.

[CrimsonFox]

Does Crimson usually multipost like this if he's under pressure?

and how exactly am i under pressure...

[BSmith]

Why is Stork carrying three votes?

Word on the street is he dropped a baby on someone's head. It's actually amazing he doesn't have more votes dping something as sick as that. Just goes to show how depraved the world has become.

vote: Fox I think he wanted more pressure or something. That and he was the last to post before I thumbed my way through this post on my phone.

[Pelican]

General impressions:

DP strongest town read; the vibe/tone/attitude" approach to hunting is harder to fake and generally less favorable to wolves in my experience, and I feel that strongly from DP.

Don't understand Murska's vote shift onto Cuth if that was a serious vote.

Crimson Fox looks a little jumpy.

Nothing else sticks in my mind right now.

I think I'll switch to Vote: Crimso Fox and see what happens.

[BSmith]

*doing. Did I mention my poor ability to type on a phone?

[Al Sipsclar]

Honey unit, I'm home!

Oh, wow. D1, 153 posts, people seem to be trying to solve game already, and I came here to do a lame Vote: BSmith on a poster above me and post a Futurama quote.

[Dp101]

Honey unit, I'm home!

Oh, wow. D1, 153 posts, people seem to be trying to solve game already, and I came here to do a lame Vote: BSmith on a poster above me and post a Futurama quote.

Don't you dare call that lame. Your tiny bit of almost-RP is still better than me not trying to make any references/jokes with the setup.

[Dp101]

Sorry for double post, but I feel I have to Vote: GeneralHankerchief. His comment about pressure on Crimson feels like a mafia trying to shift how town views another player through describing their actions as something they weren't. I'm also not really a fan of the lack of content from him so far, although I don't yet want to go after those who haven't posted because I figure they will be modkilled anyway. As for Crimson (since he is the supposed target of my target), while I haven't loved what he has posted, it seems like he is at least trying to contribute to discussion.

[Visor]

dont worry about double posting

as long as it has content, go nuts

[spaceman98]

Sorry I'm late guys


vote:spaceman

It's been a while, friend.

Hello again!

:iloveyou: to
_________

Winston, I think you've made more posts in this game so far than total in the last few games we were in together combined

________


Best vote justification so far, which means you're probably neutral or third party.

Suggest hardclaim now, to avoid future scepticism.

Hardclaim: Confused


Serious vote: Vote: winston hughes

if you're not lynched I'm shooting you tonight

visor town 10/10


Firstly, Vig claim? Secondly, I'm not seeing why this vote is any more serious than the others, you don't appear to have a case.

this looks town


This is going to be most amusing. :laugh4:

this doesn't vote:GeneralHankerchief


Today I learned not to try and bring logic into mafia games.

you just learned that today? Congratulations, you're way ahead of me. People have been trying to teach me this for years and I still haven't caught on


Dp101, any gut reads so far?

If you prod someone, I suggest prodding someone who isn't putting in any effort (See, I'm putting in effort, don't prod me!)


Mafia love confident townies. Verily, it is certainty that kills.

Are you CERTAIN about this?


I sort of wondered myself what made the post stick in my craw. Something about the revenge aspect and the absence of a joke, perhaps? And it just seems so incongruent to say Murska outed himself when the poster before him literally said "I am mafia".

ehhh.. this really feels contrived. Day 1 revenge-voting (AKA OMGUS) is normal. The discussion in thread at this point was still fairly limited. I see no sin in a joke vote at that point


Ah, so you admit to slipping up? /jk

Yes, I'm piling up the pressure. Who says I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt, though? You'll notice I'm not voting for you.

So giving out town points is meaningless, but showing confidence in your reads is good?

So if he's lynched and is hostile, you get credit for pressing him, but if he's lynched and townie, you don't get criticized because you weren't voting for him eh?

vote: novice


Ok, I apologise for the comment about you not being fair with your reads, you are right, you are at least not voting me. And yeah, I know the last part kind of is a contradiction. In my defence, my initial reads list which sparked all this was posted at midnight my time, so I wasn't really thinking clearly. Anyway, I don't think I'm going to come up with a more coherent opinion right now, I will try and solidify my thoughts on day 1 meta at a different time.

midnight is way too early to be sleep deprived.... unless of course you weren't sleeping last night, but were out killing


Winston, I disliked Visor's turn to GH because GH's post is typical for him, c.f. that game where he was posting like that so I took the pressure off mellow Barto and pushed GH's lynch on LYLO when in fact Barto was scum all along. It was this year's Kingslayer game. Barto night-killed you, didn't he?

huh, I didn't know this. Nor did any people who haven't played with GH before. You should have posted this initially to clear the confusion



So when do you guys normally start playing? If this is your day one, why not start with a night zero?

Does Visor enjoy playing scum?

I mean by the time you made this post there was a fair amount of content in the thread. Winston puzzling over Visor, Monty arguing over GH's meta, etc. More than I've come to expect of D1 frankly


and how exactly am i under pressure...

you were either second or first in votes when you made this post. You are first now.

My read on Fox is null. I think novice or heck, even GH are better targets

[CrimsonFox]

i had one vote when the conversation started and a second halfway thru.

and we have a full day left

i do not consider that pressure at all

altho the sexiness on me now is so sexy i could sex it with a sex.

i agree, DP101, hanky's spew is BS.


smith and pelican's votes both double suck in how they laid them down. peli...i wanna townread you. don't let me down

[CrimsonFox]

BSmith, Hanky, El wagons are where we should be

gogogo

[Visor]

Vote: spaceman

[Dp101]

Vote: spaceman

Ok, now I'm just confused.

[Cuthillius]

DP lock town

Visor pretty towny

Pelican slight town

Crimson scummy for a reason I shall pull up momentarily

[Cuthillius]

vote stork

please report to the nearest suicide booth for saying "bub"


LOL!

<3

best reason for a vote i've EVER heard


this comment sucks

thought his entrance into thread was weak

[CrimsonFox]

thought his entrance into thread was weak

bull SHIT you do

[atheotes]

Didnt realize this started.
Vote: CrimsonFox
I see you as threat to Day 1 org traditions.
Welcome to the ORG! ~:wave:

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)
2 El Barto (Riedquat, CrimsonFox)
2 novice (El Barto, spaceman98)
1 spaceman98 (Cuthillius, Visor)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Dp101)
1 johnhughthom (Winston Hughes)
1 Murska (Newyn)
1 Riedquat (novice)
1 Stork (Choxorn)

---

3 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, johnhughthom, Stork

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[atheotes]

I havent read anything yet. I will be back a little later to catch up.

[Visor]

bull SHIT you do

this seems a strong reaction, out of place a little?

[Visor]

i suppose its not like cuths post was particularly convincing by any stretch and i could vote him for it

[novice]

Hardclaim = full claim


So if he's lynched and is hostile, you get credit for pressing him, but if he's lynched and townie, you don't get criticized because you weren't voting for him eh?

*shrug*. People are not so stupid.
Leaning town on spaceman for that post though.

Visor, do you have a preference for playing scum, town, or no preference?

[Cuthillius]

vote stork

please report to the nearest suicide booth for saying "bub"


LOL!

<3

best reason for a vote i've EVER heard


bull SHIT you do

does it?

no but i do

novice is weak but i'm willing to give him time

your posts have tended to be fake and inauthentic

[novice]

Official Tally

4 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)
2 El Barto (Riedquat, CrimsonFox)
2 novice (El Barto, spaceman98)
1 spaceman98 (Cuthillius, Visor)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Dp101)
1 johnhughthom (Winston Hughes)
1 Murska (Newyn)
1 Riedquat (novice)
1 Stork (Choxorn)

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3 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, johnhughthom, Stork

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Zack, error in the tally? spaceman98 is listed with just one vote on him.

[Visor]

Hardclaim = full claim



*shrug*. People are not so stupid.
Leaning town on spaceman for that post though.

Visor, do you have a preference for playing scum, town, or no preference?

probably town in general

favourite role is serial killer

love wolfing with fun players/good teams

[novice]

Thanks Visor. (I was asking because you bumped the signup thread.)

[Visor]

Thanks Visor. (I was asking because you bumped the signup thread.)

oh, that has nothing to do with my alignment

i have been making that joke for years

i live in aus so its always sunday before america

[Stork]

huh

stork swears...who knew

im throwing off all the shackles

[CrimsonFox]

does it?

no but i do

novice is weak but i'm willing to give him time

your posts have tended to be fake and inauthentic

here's what youre saying just so that i'm clear...

you just HAPPEN to have that thought...that you don't like my entrance...on day one when nobody's entrance sounds "real" or "useful" or whatever...you just happen to think my entrance sounds fake and say that after 2 people push me and 2 more votepile onto me. that's your argument, right?

[CrimsonFox]

im throwing off all the shackles

the shackles of love?

[CrimsonFox]

Didnt realize this started.
Vote: CrimsonFox
I see you as threat to Day 1 org traditions.
Welcome to the ORG! ~:wave:

the org tradition of slanking? no i hadn't noticed :)

[Stork]

the shackles of love?

pretty much

[Stork]

more apt than you realise

[Newyn]

El Barto because I feel like sheeping CrimsonFox

[Newyn]

Vote: El Barto

[novice]

Did you have an elucidatable reason for your Spaceman vote, Visor?

[Visor]

Did you have an elucidatable reason for your Spaceman vote, Visor?

His mulitquote was wolfy

Shots in his direction tonight

[Montmorency]

Are you a Bartender or something? Throw a shot my way.

I'm teetotal, meaning immune to your role

[Dp101]

Novice, since you pulled this on me yesterday, what are your reads right now?

[Cuthillius]

here's what youre saying just so that i'm clear...

you just HAPPEN to have that thought...that you don't like my entrance...on day one when nobody's entrance sounds "real" or "useful" or whatever...you just happen to think my entrance sounds fake and say that after 2 people push me and 2 more votepile onto me. that's your argument, right?

Yup. Those were the posts that stood out to me when I read through the thread.

[novice]

Novice, since you pulled this on me yesterday, what are your reads right now?

Undecided about you.
Town leans on Visor, Montmorency, Spaceman.
Crimson also I think.
Not sure about Winston and Pelican.
El Barto might be the scummiest person who's posted anything much.
The rest are all scum.

[johnhughthom]

"Ohh Djambi, do Vote: Winston Hughes for me"

[Dp101]

Well, I don't think crimson is guilty, so Vote: El Barto because getting them lynched seems more likely than the general and he has contributed a relatively small amount compared to his post count.

[Cuthillius]

Undecided about you.
Town leans on Visor, Montmorency, Spaceman.
Crimson also I think.
Not sure about Winston and Pelican.
El Barto might be the scummiest person who's posted anything much.
The rest are all scum.

ok that's good enough for me

vote:novice

probably paired with spaceman

[Cuthillius]

like, novice, why is spaceman so super duper towny

[novice]

novice is weak but i'm willing to give him time

Thanks for the time I guess?

Town lean, not super duper towny. And I already said earlier that I had a town leans on him, so why vote for me now?

Will explain the lean when I have keyboard access.

[Dp101]

Cuthillius feels off, but I'm probably not going to vote them today, there are more important targets.

[spaceman98]

Zack, error in the tally? spaceman98 is listed with just one vote on him.

All I know is that I don't have any powers that could cause this
_______________________________
And novice why am I town?

This reminds me of JHT in Autolycus's game, who called me town after I had spent most of the game tunneling accusing him, and then abruptly switched off. JHT was mafia that game. I have a feeling townies tend to be more vengeful, especially at this stage, because its the natural reaction, while mafia are more likely to town-tell their accusers to appease them and win townie points.

That's not much, but its enough for me to stick to my guns

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Speaking of JHT you're here, you posted in thread. What do you think about the game? Crimson Fox? El Barto? Novice? Me?

Stork same goes for you. By Zack's tally you have not made a valid vote, but you've been around since the tally. So what do you think?
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El barto is just being himself as far as I can tell. Posting less than usual actually. Null.

Visor why am I scum? Multiquoting? I don't understand

[Winston Hughes]

Maybe it's just because he's not posting so much, but El Barto seems markedly less scummy than usual.

vote: El Barto

[novice]

And novice why am I town?

I thought your opening post was good, it reviewed the relevant parts of the thread and asked questions where questions were due.
I had one nitpick, you criticizing me for prodding Dp101. In my opinion there wasn't much point in prodding someone who wasn't posting at that point.


I have a feeling townies tend to be more vengeful, especially at this stage, because its the natural reaction, while mafia are more likely to town-tell their accusers to appease them and win townie points.

I would agree, generally. But in this case I felt I had overpressed a bit in my questioning of Dp101, and my lashout against Newyn was probably out of line. So I felt questioning me was in order. Here's the thing though - I've overpressed before, and whenever I'm town and find myself scumming it up, it tends to be townies who react. Possibly because it's harder for scum to judge when a townie is overpressing? At any rate, there you have it.

[novice]

Cuthillius feels off, but I'm probably not going to vote them today, there are more important targets.

Strange choice of words, why is El Barto a more important target?


Vote: El Barto because getting them lynched seems more likely than the general and he has contributed a relatively small amount compared to his post count.

[Winston Hughes]

DP lock town

This shows too much certitude for a post that does not feel jokey.


novice is weak but i'm willing to give him time

And this bit also has a scummy tang.

I don't believe novice looks weak here, but can imagine why scum might go there.

And I think the hint of contempt in that post is more likely to seem justified in the mind of a scumbag than that of a townie.

[Dp101]

Strange choice of words, why is El Barto a more important target?

Sorry, let me rephrase that. I'm not voting him because I don't think enough people would lynch him, and I don't want to switch off the current lynch when second place looks town, because then the potential townie gets lynched.

[Winston Hughes]

Don't like Crimson for the lynch today.

It's easy to catch votes in unfamiliar company, and the vibe I'm getting reminds me of my own misadventures earlier this summer at RB and Giraffe.

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)
2 El Barto (Riedquat, CrimsonFox)
2 novice (El Barto, spaceman98)
1 spaceman98 (Cuthillius, Visor)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Dp101)
1 johnhughthom (Winston Hughes)
1 Murska (Newyn)
1 Riedquat (novice)
1 Stork (Choxorn)

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3 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, johnhughthom, Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Thought it was obviously just a clerical error, but to be clear, spaceman has 2 votes against him here. Which is why there are two people listed voting for him and he's lumped in with the other 2-voters.

[Zack]

Official Tally

5 El Barto (Riedquat, CrimsonFox, Newyn, Dp101, Winston Hughes)

4 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes)

3 novice (El Barto, spaceman98, Cuthillius)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 Riedquat (novice)
1 spaceman98 (Visor)
1 Stork (Choxorn)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

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2 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

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Ordering within the tiers is purely alphabetical. Ties broken by random number generator.

[Montmorency]

Some weird wagons in the past 12 hours. Barto is especially an eyebrow-scratcher.

GH, you feel like breaking any ties?


All I know is that I don't have any powers that could cause this

:inquisitive:

[Winston Hughes]

Don't like novice for the lynch at all.

Feels like he's up for a scumhunt and would like more to work with.

[Winston Hughes]

Some weird wagons in the past 12 hours. Barto is especially an eyebrow-scratcher.

Why's that?

[novice]

Thanks Winston, you're correct.

Crimson looks towny on a reread, and El Barto is not so bad. He observes my discussion with Dp without really making any comment that commits, but then again neither did anyone else.

I think I'd prefer lynching one of the low posters, GeneralHankerchief comes to mind for that post Dp pointed out.
(Not that Riedquat has earned my unvote, but whatever.)

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[novice]

Cuthilius is also an option, for reasons pointed out by Winston, and for the timing of his vote on me.

[Winston Hughes]

When were you last scum, novice?

[Cuthillius]

Cuthilius is also an option, for reasons pointed out by Winston, and for the timing of his vote on me.

don't act like that was a random vote

i voted you specifically for a very specific post you made

that was very wolfy, to be specific

[novice]

I was a serial killer last game (WW43), but prior to that (had to look it up) I was town in 42, 41, 40 and 39, and mafia in 38, played in april 2015.

[novice]

don't act like that was a random vote

i voted you specifically for a very specific post you made

that was very wolfy, to be specific

What was wolfy, then, besides my Spaceman town lean?

[CrimsonFox]

don't act like that was a random vote

i voted you specifically for a very specific post you made

that was very wolfy, to be specific

and why aren't you voting for me then if i'm so bloody wolfy?

and incidently if you are town, I recommend getting rid of this seemingly inborn prejudice you have against new players where you think everything they do is wolfy and everything your friends do the same way "can slide"

[CrimsonFox]

more apt than you realise

<3 <3

[Cuthillius]

What was wolfy, then, besides my Spaceman town lean?

you have wolf reads on everyone

spaceman's post was not great

but then you repeatedly defended him

and he's inexplicably one of your top reads

while in general most of the game is pretty scummy

which ime is a thing scums like to say a lot more than town

[Cuthillius]

and why aren't you voting for me then if i'm so bloody wolfy?

and incidently if you are town, I recommend getting rid of this seemingly inborn prejudice you have against new players where you think everything they do is wolfy and everything your friends do the same way "can slide"

I don't have a "prejudice". I know how my 'friends' play, and I will totally call them out if I see them do wolfy things. And admittedly when you've played with people more things that may seem wolfy if you've never played against them are not super wolfy. I'm still not going to assume that, and given my situation you two are both fairly scummy.

[novice]

you have wolf reads on everyone

spaceman's post was not great

but then you repeatedly defended him

and he's inexplicably one of your top reads

while in general most of the game is pretty scummy

which ime is a thing scums like to say a lot more than town

Oh, the "All the rest are scum" part was tongue in cheek, I thought it was obvious enough that I couldn't have a real opinion on the people who had almost no posts.

But it was serious in that I have no qualms lynching the low posters if I don't see a convincing lynch among the active players.

By the way I didn't repeatedly defend Spaceman. I gave a town lean on him and then elaborated on it when questioned about it.

[Cuthillius]

This shows too much certitude for a post that does not feel jokey.

that was not based on any single post, more on his overall posting

he's one of the purest towns i've ever seen

[novice]

that was not based on any single post, more on his overall posting

Not really important, but I think what Winston meant was that you were being too certain in a post that didn't feel jokey.

[Montmorency]

Why's that?

Well, let's see. Early on, Riedquat made a typical arbitrary vote on Barto. Afterwards CrimsonFox made his "serious" vote on Bart after pressure from GH and Visor. At the time, Stork had been leading in the vote, and Crimson had no votes. Then, recently, Newyn changed his vote onto him ostensibly to deflect from Crimson, and 2 more votes quickly followed (including from you) for some really half-baked reasons, even given what we have seen so far here. After Newyn, Novice called Bart's posts the scummiest of the day after prompting from DP, who then switched to Bart because he didn't like the Crimson lynch and found it a better prospect to build the Barto wagon. Then you voted.

Sordid stuff.

[Dp101]

Yeah, I've been liking cuthillius less and less as this day has gone on. His reads feel arbitrary and trendy, like he saw a couple of posts pointing in a similar direction to his reads and then he latched onto them and pushed them way too far, originally not expecting to receive that much criticism due to the current atmosphere and then doubling down on them once he got criticism so that he wouldn't look suspicious for voting them. I would gladly kill them, but again, not going to switch votes when second place is townish.

[Choxorn]

Crimson looks worse to me than Barto does, though I really don't have any good reads on anyone.

Vote: Crimson

[Zack]

Official Tally

5 El Barto (Riedquat, CrimsonFox, Newyn, Dp101, Winston Hughes)
5 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)

3 novice (El Barto, spaceman98, Cuthillius)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 spaceman98 (Visor)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

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2 Not Voting: GeneralHankerchief, Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

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Ordering within the tiers is purely alphabetical. Ties broken by random number generator.

[El Barto]

So when do you guys normally start playing? If this is your day one, why not start with a night zero?
Because that would be pointless.

okay here's a more serious vote...

vote el barto


vote: El Barto
Oh my God, You suck, vote: CrimsonFox!

Vote: El Barto

Maybe it's just because he's not posting so much, but El Barto seems markedly less scummy than usual.

vote: El Barto
SCUMLIKE WAGON DETECED

CIRCUIT OVERLOAD

I need to go and do some electricity before I can go on.

[El Barto]

Ordering within the tiers is purely alphabetical. Ties broken by random number generator.
Ties? My shiny metal ass!

[Dp101]

El Barto, since you are here, who do you think is mafia? Everyone on you? Some of the people on crimson?

[El Barto]

Given that all of us except you newbie meatbags tend not to play seriously, this is a highly irregular game. How can we have such large waggons on Day One?

*gets more electricity*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hi.

Ate a sandwich that didn't agree with me for lunch today and I've been experiencing the after effects ever since.

I realize this is a BS excuse for activity but don't particularly care atm.

I'm gonna go back through the thread, find out who I think is most townie, and sheep them.

[El Barto]

Ate a sandwich that didn't agree with me for lunch today and I've been experiencing the after effects ever since.

I realize this is a BS excuse for activity but don't particularly care atm.
Don't worry, meatbag. I myself was playing videogames earlier.

[spaceman98]

Umm D1 ending in two large competing wagons is fairly normal. More effort on them than usual, but nothing odd about the vote distribution Barto, and you know that



and why aren't you voting for me then if i'm so bloody wolfy?

and incidently if you are town, I recommend getting rid of this seemingly inborn prejudice you have against new players where you think everything they do is wolfy and everything your friends do the same way "can slide"

this post (#215) reads town to me. Its just too aggressive for something mafia would post in this situation IMO

Barto, I'm pretty ok with lynching you right now TBH (I still like novice hanging better, for reasons I've already stated, but still). Why shouldn't I?

[El Barto]

Umm D1 ending in two large competing wagons is fairly normal. More effort on them than usual, but nothing odd about the vote distribution Barto, and you know that
Well, it's not normal for me and I don't like it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, it's not normal for me and I don't like it.

Buddy, you're in for a treat when the hydra game starts...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm actually taking a third option here, liking Cuthilius the best and he's going after novice.

Vote: novice

Of course, since Barto is also voting for novice I have CrimsonFox more likely to be maf than Barto and will vote that way if it comes down to it.

[CrimsonFox]

Cuthulius is sounding more and more like a really wrong villa to me at present.

el still isn't impressive.

vote: General Handkerchief

could do with more pressure on he and bsmith.

[CrimsonFox]

awesome Xpost!

what you like about barto, hanky?

[spaceman98]

actually hmm hold that thought I have an idea

[El Barto]

Of course, since Barto is also voting for novice
I'm voting for CrimsonFox to save my shiny innocent metal ass, meatbag.

[El Barto]

awesome Xpost!

what you like about barto, hanky?
What's there not to like?

And yes, these x-posts are awesome.

actually hmm hold that thought I have an idea
Does this happen often?

[CrimsonFox]

Because that would be pointless.



Oh my God, You suck, vote: CrimsonFox!


SCUMLIKE WAGON DETECED

CIRCUIT OVERLOAD

I need to go and do some electricity before I can go on.


I suck? so I'm the only one that sucks? or do others suck.

and are you going to do anything else other than say meatbag?

[GeneralHankerchief]

awesome Xpost!

what you like about barto, hanky?

I have Barto as null for the most part, but after going back and checking the Cuthilius/novice exchange I think it's a good look on him, especially if the flips go correctly.

[spaceman98]

ooh more x post.


Does this happen often?

we'll see.

For now I'll keep calm and vote for novice.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm voting for CrimsonFox to save my shiny innocent metal ass, meatbag.

there are plenty of other wagons you could experiment with...there is PLENTY of time before EOD.

selfsave excuse DENIED!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm voting for CrimsonFox to save my shiny innocent metal ass, meatbag.

Ugh stupid tally was outdated. Ignore me. Back to fully null for you.

And Crimson, this is pretty much in line with his D1 meta.

[CrimsonFox]

actually hmm hold that thought I have an idea

is it a moneymaking scheme?

[El Barto]

Tally:


6 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn; El Barto)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Dp101, Winston Hughes)

3 novice (spaceman98, Cuthillius; GeneralHankerchief)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice; CrimsonFox)
1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 spaceman98 (Visor)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

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Not Voting: Stork

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 CrimsonFox (seireikhaan, BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn, El Barto)

4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Dp101, Winston Hughes)

3 novice (spaceman98, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)
2 GeneralHankerchief (novice, CrimsonFox)

1 BSmith (Al Sipsclar)
1 Dp101 (Montmorency)
1 spaceman98 (Visor)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

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1 Not Voting: Stork

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

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Ordering within the tiers is purely alphabetical. Ties broken by random number generator.

[CrimsonFox]

Hi.

Ate a sandwich that didn't agree with me for lunch today and I've been experiencing the after effects ever since.

I realize this is a BS excuse for activity but don't particularly care atm.

I'm gonna go back through the thread, find out who I think is most townie, and sheep them.

did you find anything in your excavation or did you just find lots of booger nuggets with your finger?

[Zack]

Ugh stupid tally was outdated.
:sweatdrop: