Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

No, no, no, and no. I thought Stork was mafia and none of you guys have done anything to change that.

Lynch Stork and Riedquat.

vote: Riedquat

I'm straight sheeping pizza and tak at this point, but I feel like they're both in good spots for that right now (pizza semi-detached, tak dead).

[El Barto]

El Barto, I'm okay with lynching Riedquat. What are your thoughts on Monty?
Full?

vote: Riedquat

I'm straight sheeping pizza and tak at this point, but I feel like they're both in good spots for that right now (pizza semi-detached, tak dead).
And at worst you can say that you're following the voices of dead people on the Internetz.

[Winston Hughes]

I've only scanned the discussions around it, but my gut feeling about Crimson's claimed role and inaction is that it's a crock.

[CrimsonFox]

I've only scanned the discussions around it, but my gut feeling about Crimson's claimed role and inaction is that it's a crock.

what do you think of the people that have entered the thread today saying "Crimson is def/almost assured town now"
i'm a little weirded out by those statements as I'm not sure why they sudenly think i'm town as none of them have said why they think this

[CrimsonFox]

i was actually thinking there was another vig around probably. But I now think that if there were, it was leela.

[CrimsonFox]

I've only scanned the discussions around it, but my gut feeling about Crimson's claimed role and inaction is that it's a crock.

so let's put aside any thoughts about "CF is a scum"
what are the possibilities if i am town

[CrimsonFox]

I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt.

who else falls into that category, mrska

[CrimsonFox]

i obviously have become spoiled by the other site's profanity filter :embarassed:

[El Barto]

Please stop the flood of one-liners, meatbag.

[Cuthillius]

Crimson, if you have a gun who do you shoot right now?

[Cuthillius]

*if you had

I'm not debating your vigginess or lack thereof

[Winston Hughes]

I don't think you understood what I am saying. The fact that you display bloc-like behavior would be motivation to remove Bart and have the next day monopolized by your cases, especially if those cases are all based against non-mafia. Non-mafia would thus be preoccupied with each other for a day phase. It doesn't mean that Winston is scum, but that it's especially nice if Winston is scum as it removes all commitment made during the Bart phase.

I've been gut-leaning scum on Monty, but this line of thought has a tinfoilish quality that I like for town.

[Winston Hughes]

so let's put aside any thoughts about "CF is a scum"

Tricky, but I'll give it a go.


what are the possibilities if i am town

Sorry, I'm not following your question.

[Winston Hughes]

what do you think of the people that have entered the thread today saying "Crimson is def/almost assured town now"

i'm a little weirded out by those statements as I'm not sure why they sudenly think i'm town as none of them have said why they think this

I think this is cute if you're scum. But I think you probably are quite cute as scum.

I'll have to get back to you on what I think about others' reactions.

[El Barto]

Of course he's cute, you meatbags are conditioned to think furry animals are nice and cuddly instead of flushing them down a toilet as any decently-programmed bending unit would do.

[Dp101]

Sorry, I'm not following your question.

I think he meant how do you view people's reactions to him if he is town. Any different from mafia?

[Al Sipsclar]

My hunch is the exactly the opposite Monty, first a wagon over Barto with people who never played with him, then mafia killed Barto (Why???) and now a bunch of people who never played with you are wagoning you and I don't have a clue why... :(

The vigilante didn't kill just because and now we all are wondering if he is another thing... good logic... no!

All newbie are scum or they have hive mind you mentioned! Very improbable I know... but that is the feeling!

I've read up to this post and just want to mention that I'm also fighting the urge to vote Monty, being kinda out-of-towner myself, so I guess I'm part of that hive mind myself. I only played one game with Monty (he's town, me - scum) so it was not enough to learn his style.

I was ready to vote El Barto today, so I do think he's a lynchbait and would be an unorthodox kill choice for mafia.

This is not the first time Visor is lynching town Spaceman on D1 for posting like Spaceman.

Dp101 reminds me of Cass with his (her? preferred pronouns?) thorough approach to the game. Not alignment indicative, though.

I'll sheep Visor for now and Vote: choxorn

[Winston Hughes]

I think he meant how do you view people's reactions to him if he is town. Any different from mafia?

Yeah, this is too broad a question for me to properly chase up right now.

At a glance, BSmith shows a plausible thought-process. Fits his town meta.

Anyone else you want me to look at?

[Winston Hughes]

This is not the first time Visor is lynching town Spaceman on D1 for posting like Spaceman.

Why do you mention that?

[Dp101]

Anyone else you want me to look at?

Stork, maybe Visor? Also the hydra game we have been assigned to if you have time.

[CrimsonFox]

Tricky, but I'll give it a go.



Sorry, I'm not following your question.

I claimed a vig. Yet there was no shot.

People seem up in arms about that yet no one has actually theorized why

[El Barto]

‘A’ vig? Did you shoot or not, meatbag?

[CrimsonFox]

‘A’ vig? Did you shoot or not, meatbag?

as I said...I did not

[Dp101]

‘A’ vig? Did you shoot or not, meatbag?

He has said a million times that he did not shoot, your reading comprehension must be as bad as mine.

[CrimsonFox]

‘A’ vig? Did you shoot or not, meatbag?

in fact I was thinking probably was another vig out there. BUt now I think if there was, it was Leela

[Montmorency]

Two vigs is hard to believe.

Are you actually an arsonist?

[El Barto]

He has said a million times that he did not shoot, your reading comprehension must be as bad as mine.
His syntax is what is at fault. Read his latest post for yourself:

I claimed a vig. Yet there was no shot.

People seem up in arms about that yet no one has actually theorized why

[Winston Hughes]

I claimed a vig. Yet there was no shot.

People seem up in arms about that yet no one has actually theorized why

It's complicated.

Whole lotta ifs, buts, and maybes in there.

Seems a bit like you're trailing something here, though.

[Dp101]

His syntax is what is at fault. Read his latest post for yourself:

I was referring to earlier in the day. Also, sorry for my overly hostile tone, I'm a little frustrated with things right now.

[Winston Hughes]

BUt now I think if there was, it was Leela

And this only just occurred to you?

[Winston Hughes]

No, not buying it.

vote: CrimsonFox

[El Barto]

That's not completely a bad vote.

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, I think we got one.

[CrimsonFox]

Crimson, if you have a gun who do you shoot right now?

ahhhhh...now THIS is a USEFUL question...and if I can shoot tonight...
I have a lot of targets. too many targets.

Have a few townreads but really I'm still Bojack in the fishworld.
Trying to figure out how you guys play and I'm obviously a foreigner in that regard...(like Mick Jones)

Would probably be a low poster that pops in with a crappy vote on a Villa or else people that are posting yet not really hunting

[CrimsonFox]

It's complicated.

Whole lotta ifs, buts, and maybes in there.

Seems a bit like you're trailing something here, though.

yup it's complicated . Still no one is attempting to figure out why

so I didn't shoot.

one reason is because I didn't want to shoot.
Another is that I'm not a vig at all.
What are others?

[Dp101]

Yeah, I think we got one.

I pray that you are wrong, if only for my sake given how long I have spent calling him innocent.

[Winston Hughes]

Another is that I'm not a vig at all.

*shocked*

[Winston Hughes]

No, hang on, you blatantly trailed that.

[Montmorency]

yup it's complicated . Still no one is attempting to figure out why

so I didn't shoot.

one reason is because I didn't want to shoot.
Another is that I'm not a vig at all.
What are others?

There has already been discussion. One is that you are Mafia and you/team did kill Bart, the one kill being because the Mafia team is the one killing. I didn't favor this view.

One possibility I mentioned now is that you aren't a straight vig role. That's a more interesting one.

[CrimsonFox]

There has already been discussion. One is that you are Mafia and you/team did kill Bart, the one kill being because the Mafia team is the one killing. I didn't favor this view.

One possibility I mentioned now is that you aren't a straight vig role. That's a more interesting one.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Winston Hughes]

I don't believe that you only just saw Leela as a likely vig.

[Montmorency]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Reminds me of a cartoon or something.

[Winston Hughes]

The main thing false claiming vig is good for is drawing out a real vig.

[El Barto]

Another is that I'm not a vig at all.
Let us clarify. Are you claiming that your meatbag ass is not a vigilante ass?

What is your role, then?

[Montmorency]

ahhhhh...now THIS is a USEFUL question...and if I can shoot tonight...

What do you mean, if you can shoot tonight? Is there something preventing you?

[seireikhaan]

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?
Hmmm.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Visor's Rise o' Teh Snek Cult (http://"https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-Concluded). Got mowed by winston on the 2nd day. :laugh4:


Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if I didn't psych myself out on Fox. My initial gut still says he's too brazen to be mafia. But, then again, I've always said that the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe. Another part of me wants to lynch him just to hopefully reduce the postcount a bit so I don't have so much catching up to do after work. :shifty: But mostly, now I'm really not liking this flip flopping on your potential role. To reiterate Barto: Are you a vig, or are you not? That claim towards the end of the round... as I said earlier, brazen, especially with possible mafia buds to bus you. But, if you're neutral/independent, then that makes a lot more sense. Screw it,

Vote: CrimsonFox

Other notes: yeah sorry to say it, folks who aren't too familiar with, but I'm just seeing monty here. Now that doesn't mean too much, Monty's quite consistent in his own inconsistent way, if that makes any sense. Not a preferred target to lynch.

Pizza is... .decidedly quiet this game, despite his earlier run of posts. At least, based on what I'm used to. Old me would be very suspicious of this, but new me is a bit more lenient on the "rl gets in teh way" excuse than old me. Still, mild suspicion.

Seeing some suspicion lobbed at Cuth. Not totally sure why. Am I missing something?
Also, hooray, I don't have to throw a tirade about LoverBoy GeneralHankerchief being randomly bandwaggoned on the first or second day! :balloon:

[Winston Hughes]

Why does Monty feel like Crimson's straight man right now?

[CrimsonFox]

Let us clarify. Are you claiming that your meatbag ass is not a vigilante ass?

What is your role, then?

i am not claiming that. I am saying possibilities that others have already said in hopes that people would actually start thinking of more reasons.

[CrimsonFox]

Hmmm.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Visor's Rise o' Teh Snek Cult (http://"https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-Concluded). Got mowed by winston on the 2nd day. :laugh4:


Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if I didn't psych myself out on Fox. My initial gut still says he's too brazen to be mafia. But, then again, I've always said that the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe. Another part of me wants to lynch him just to hopefully reduce the postcount a bit so I don't have so much catching up to do after work. :shifty: But mostly, now I'm really not liking this flip flopping on your potential role. To reiterate Barto: Are you a vig, or are you not? That claim towards the end of the round... as I said earlier, brazen, especially with possible mafia buds to bus you. But, if you're neutral/independent, then that makes a lot more sense. Screw it,

Vote: CrimsonFox

Other notes: yeah sorry to say it, folks who aren't too familiar with, but I'm just seeing monty here. Now that doesn't mean too much, Monty's quite consistent in his own inconsistent way, if that makes any sense. Not a preferred target to lynch.

Pizza is... .decidedly quiet this game, despite his earlier run of posts. At least, based on what I'm used to. Old me would be very suspicious of this, but new me is a bit more lenient on the "rl gets in teh way" excuse than old me. Still, mild suspicion.

Seeing some suspicion lobbed at Cuth. Not totally sure why. Am I missing something?
Also, hooray, I don't have to throw a tirade about LoverBoy GeneralHankerchief being randomly bandwaggoned on the first or second day! :balloon:

ahhhhh the ole "screw it" play

the windup and the pitch. good job

[Montmorency]

Why does Monty feel like Crimson's straight man right now?

As in, his keeper? I'll have him if you want, but there's no cult in this game.

Fox, are you third-party?

[El Barto]

Also, hooray, I don't have to throw a tirade about LoverBoy GeneralHankerchief being randomly bandwaggoned on the first or second day! :balloon:
Instead, my shiny, foghat-gray, awesome metal ass was bandwaggoned on D1 and then killed on N1 for no reason (vote Riedquat the kumquat whil you're at it). How's this fair, eh? You explain it, meatbag.

i am not claiming that. I am saying possibilities that others have already said in hopes that people would actually start thinking of more reasons.
So you are not disclaiming your earlier claims of being a vig, mmkay?

[CrimsonFox]

Instead, my shiny, foghat-gray, awesome metal ass was bandwaggoned on D1 and then killed on N1 for no reason (vote Riedquat the kumquat whil you're at it). How's this fair, eh? You explain it, meatbag.

So you are not disclaiming your earlier claims of being a vig, mmkay?

nope. I am not

[CrimsonFox]

As in, his keeper? I'll have him if you want, but there's no cult in this game.

Fox, are you third-party?

nope altho that thinking is good cause at least it's thinking.

i really am getting a towny monty feel. at least he's trying to figure things out

[Newyn]

Hi, popping in to say that havn't really read about 80% of the thread and probably won't until at last tomorrow.

Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.

Lazy meatbag signing out.

[CrimsonFox]

And this only just occurred to you?

it did not JUST occur to me. It occurred to me when she was revealed as Leela and there was only one kill
I could see Leela being a vig as she's good with a "hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-YA!"

http://orig00.deviantart.net/f036/f/2015/124/3/0/normal_tekko_2015___cf_dcm___leela__017_by_eccentriccasey-d8s64e8.jpg

[Montmorency]

I never followed the show that much, but I do not recall her being Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[Dp101]

ahhhhh the ole "screw it" play

the windup and the pitch. good job

Everyone has been tempted to make a vote like that at some time while playing mafia.

[Montmorency]

Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.

I don't get it.

[CrimsonFox]

I never followed the show that much, but I do not recall her being Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

https://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4lg2pwE201r8q9x8o1_500.gif

[El Barto]

Visorslash: why this comment of yours on this being a bad rôle for me, eh?

nope. I am not
Great. Improve on your syntax and learn how to multiquote.


Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.I don't get it.
He's just sayin' he ain't no vanilla but certainly no wolf.

Right-o?

[CrimsonFox]

Everyone has been tempted to make a vote like that at some time while playing mafia.

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

[Montmorency]

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

:yes:


"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

:no:

[Dp101]

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

I didn't say it was good, just understandable.

[seireikhaan]

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"
Eh? I gave plenty of reason. Didn't like that "Well, what if I'm not vig?" nonsense. Don't like that the thread gets cluttered up when you post bunches of one liners in a row when you could just address multiple points in one post. That plus the rather unreasonable irritableness that you display whenever I post in your direction. As far as I'm concerned, your style is basically raising a target running back and forth in front me yelling in my face "HEY WOULD I BE RAISING THIS TARGET LIKE THIS IF I WAS MAFIA?". Would you? I dunno, I never played with you. But I've seen it done before, because it's all a bunch of WIFOM anyways. So unless I see an actually good case somewhere, I'm sitting here.

[CrimsonFox]

Khaan STOP WHINING ABOUT OUT OF GAME THINGS AND ACTUALLY GIVE READS OF PEOPLE.

I SO WANT TO SHOOT YOUR ASS RTIGHT NOW

vote: seireikhaan

[Riedquat]

Pizza! Reidquat loves you too! Oh! And he is waiting the game you'll read him as town too, perhaps the next one?

Shut up Barto, you really don't want me dead, I assure you that! :P

As for content I don't have a clue what is going on right now, less yet with Newys's post... :dizzy2:

[seireikhaan]

Khaan STOP WHINING ABOUT OUT OF GAME THINGS AND ACTUALLY GIVE READS OF PEOPLE.

I SO WANT TO SHOOT YOUR ASS RTIGHT NOW

vote: seireikhaan
So we're back to this again, eh....

[Visor]

Riedquat is kinda wolfy

Not enough reads from what I remember

Fox, your attitude is absolutely bizarre, I don't understand why you keep reacting like this and what's with the whole vig but not vig thing?

[El Barto]

Khaan STOP WHINING
It would not be khaan.

Shut up Barto, you really don't want me dead, I assure you that! :P
Really? Why not, meatbag?

[GeneralHankerchief]

CrimsonFox right now is being like Reenk-as-Loki only without any of the charm or humor or social skills.

That said, it wasn't necessarily the right move to lynch him.

I've just come back from a 14-hour workday at two separate jobs, that's all you're getting out of me tonight. Will try to be on and contribute before the end of day crunch tomorrow.

[El Barto]

CrimsonFox: is it possible that your sorry organic ass is of the third party persuasion?

[Montmorency]

I already asked him that, dammit.

[El Barto]

Then it should be asked again, meatbag.

[Pelican]

Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:


Hmmm.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Visor's Rise o' Teh Snek Cult (http://"https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-Concluded). Got mowed by winston on the 2nd day. :laugh4:


Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if I didn't psych myself out on Fox. My initial gut still says he's too brazen to be mafia. But, then again, I've always said that the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe. Another part of me wants to lynch him just to hopefully reduce the postcount a bit so I don't have so much catching up to do after work. :shifty: But mostly, now I'm really not liking this flip flopping on your potential role. To reiterate Barto: Are you a vig, or are you not? That claim towards the end of the round... as I said earlier, brazen, especially with possible mafia buds to bus you. But, if you're neutral/independent, then that makes a lot more sense. Screw it,

Vote: CrimsonFox


The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.



Other notes: yeah sorry to say it, folks who aren't too familiar with, but I'm just seeing monty here. Now that doesn't mean too much, Monty's quite consistent in his own inconsistent way, if that makes any sense. Not a preferred target to lynch.


I'll tell you why I'm still harping on Monty: even if this is his normal style, I think it's a style that works well for wolf play and not for town. I still don't know if I could accurately state his opinion on any other player right now. Like it seemed like he thought Winston was scum, or El Barto voters maybe? But he approached it in the language of hypotheticals and generalities, which is so convenient as a wolf because later on he can wriggle out of any accusations based on his opinions. And when confronted on it, the best he can give in response is an OMGUS vote against me? Like, my concern could be nonsense but if it is that's not clearly evident because myself and other players obviously don't see the logical problems with it. So then a helpful response is to refute it so I can right my thinking and focus on better targets. Or maybe my concern is valid, in which case, while I'll acknowledge that you're entitled to play according to your style, you couldn't just oblige me and commit to an accusation?

Speaking of which:


ahhhhh...now THIS is a USEFUL question...and if I can shoot tonight...
I have a lot of targets. too many targets.

Have a few townreads but really I'm still Bojack in the fishworld.
Trying to figure out how you guys play and I'm obviously a foreigner in that regard...(like Mick Jones)

Would probably be a low poster that pops in with a crappy vote on a Villa or else people that are posting yet not really hunting

Names? The first one wouldn't be resolved until after the lynch I suppose, but who's posting but not really hunting?

[Dp101]

Names? The first one wouldn't be resolved until after the lynch I suppose, but who's posting but not really hunting?

He might be referring to me, I've kinda been sheeping my way through the day (finally looked up that term, its really useful to know given how it sums up every game of mafia).

[atheotes]

Caught up on D1. just read the last 2 pages now.
Crimson, can be resolved tomorrow. If he doesnt vig anyone tonight, he can be lynched tomorrow.

based on D1, i felt that Novice was being scummy. i will continue to catch up and also try to be here real time.

[Montmorency]

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?

[El Barto]

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?
Define ‘you’, sir.

[Visor]

I want novice and choxorn wagons

[Montmorency]

Why do I feel like we're moving toward swapped styles here, Visor?

[Pelican]

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?

Ok, but isn't the whole point to suss out the wolves, i.e. to figure out people's alignments? So every stance that's not aiming to figure out someone's alignment is kind of irrelevant, unless it's part of a greater case that does take a stance on someone's alignment.

So I guess my question is how do the factual commitments you have made contribute to town's ability to figure out who the wolves are?

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 Montmorency (Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

3 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 novice (Visor)
1 Pelican (Montmorency)
1 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Stork (Cuthillius)
1 Winston Hughes (jht)

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3 Not Voting: atheotes, Newyn Riedquat

1 Not Posting: Choxorn

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Visor]

Why do I feel like we're moving toward swapped styles here, Visor?

Hmm? What do you mean?

[Visor]

4 Montmorency (@Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

stop voting monty.

[Montmorency]

So I guess my question is how do the factual commitments you have made contribute to town's ability to figure out who the wolves are?

Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.


So the actual content of the reads is not as relevant than the attitude with which the reads were made/the vibe?

Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

[CrimsonFox]

4 Montmorency (@Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

stop voting monty.

i agree

[Montmorency]

Hmm? What do you mean?

I'm more the type to give 'recommendations' from the sidelines, while you are more proactive.

[CrimsonFox]

Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.



Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

That's something else. Someone called me "jumpy" early on. And then someone ELSE used that word to describe me as scummy. That's a big wolf tell for me.

[Dp101]

You aren't my mum, I can do whatever I want. But, fine, if you insist, Vote: Riedquat

[Cuthillius]

I think Crimson should never be lynched here, given the fact that that'll probably resolve itself over the next night or two. Then maybe, if necessary.

I'm willing to help run up vote:novice.

[Visor]

I'm more the type to give 'recommendations' from the sidelines, while you are more proactive.

thats true. I am slowing down a bit, trying to not get super invested in games.

dp, the riedquat vote is fine

[El Barto]

Vote Riedquat and Stork! Don't let Stork get away!

[Visor]

Focusing on crimson is a waste of time.

Either he's a liar and he's going to die later

or he's telling the truth and we'll know eventually.

Choxorn's content is (obviously) lacking and his early vote is kinda throwawayish for not really good reasons.

Novices angle of attack and pushes have just sort of rubbed me the wrong way in that it just feels scummy to me.

I don't get the monty wagon.

[Montmorency]

That's something else. Someone called me "jumpy" early on. And then someone ELSE used that word to describe me as scummy. That's a big wolf tell for me.

That word in particular?

[CrimsonFox]

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

[Visor]

Riedquats lack of concern about the current goings on and more commentating after the fact is wolfy for him if i recall correctly

wagons of those three players i think is best today

we should always have competing wagons

[Visor]

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.

[Dp101]

dp, the riedquat vote is fine

Thanks for telling me that I made an approved vote, I would hate to go against another player.

[Cuthillius]

No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.

this

[Visor]

Thanks for telling me that I made an approved vote, I would hate to go against another player.

I am just saying i like the vote

no need to get snarky

[Dp101]

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

What Visor said, I think your claim is decent and I wish people would actually talk about something else for a change instead of posting endlessly about the precise wording of your posts. I really don't like the people voting you.

[Cuthillius]

Cuth
DP
Pizza
Pelican
Visor

Crimson

the rest of the world

novice
Stork

[Montmorency]

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

Why don't you volunteer something of your own? There's really not much to speculate that hasn't already been said, without adding multiple factions and exotic roles into the mix.

[Dp101]

I am just saying i like the vote

no need to get snarky

Sorry. I'm tired, and a full day of nothing but disscussion on the wording of a couple of role claim posts is making it hard to maintain good faith in players.

[Visor]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

[atheotes]

No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.


Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

[Cuthillius]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

stork instead of ried

i think the ried reasoning is on the weak side

what's the case for chox?

[Visor]

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

[Stork]

Cuth
DP
Pizza
Pelican
Visor

Crimson

the rest of the world

novice
Stork

You seem to have me near the bottom of your list

but you only said i am "a bit wolfish"

that seems odd

do you actually think i am a wolf?

the villager cuth i (think i) know would actually have and push this read

and you never responded to my question of whether you wanted to tdome

[Visor]

Vote: Stork for not making this a Haiku. 2-5-4? What kind of syllable pattern is that?


Crimson looks worse to me than Barto does, though I really don't have any good reads on anyone.

Vote: Crimson

These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

[CrimsonFox]

fair enough at least those are answers.


What do you mean, if you can shoot tonight? Is there something preventing you?

Yes. I cannot shoot all the time.


The main thing false claiming vig is good for is drawing out a real vig.

This....no this doesn't make sense. If i wanna draw someone out it's the cop or bodyguard or somethin.



There has already been discussion. One is that you are Mafia and you/team did kill Bart, the one kill being because the Mafia team is the one killing. I didn't favor this view.

One possibility I mentioned now is that you aren't a straight vig role. That's a more interesting one.

But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

[Dp101]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

Add stork. Maybe monty too, but seemingly half the town thinks he is town, so he might very well be innocent. On the other hand, none of those people were able to give much more of a justification why not him other than "it feels weird", so not sure how much those endorsements mean.

[Visor]

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

[Cuthillius]

You seem to have me near the bottom of your list

but you only said i am "a bit wolfish"

that seems odd

do you actually think i am a wolf?

the villager cuth i (think i) know would actually have and push this read

and you never responded to my question of whether you wanted to tdome

you are the bottom of the list

i actually think you are a wolf

i'm reining my posting back on purpose and not just spamming

and that's because tdomes are silly and not a ton of people here would probably go through with it

[atheotes]

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

I did not like Stork's shifting of votes EOD D1.
Also, whatever happened to BSmith wagon on D1? i dont think we had v/v/v/v wagon.
I dont have any opinion on Choxorn/Riedquat right now.
Vote: Novice

[Montmorency]

I am so pleased right now. This is what progress looks like.

[Dp101]

Yes. I cannot shoot all the time.

But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

Kinda disappointing, I hoped you were something odd like vig half the time doc the other half, which would be a really interesting thematic choice, but this works too.

To Zach, please don't interpret the above as complaining about the setup, so far things have felt decently balanced.

[Cuthillius]

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

ok everyone off of crimson

[CrimsonFox]

That word in particular?

No any "odd" word that someone uses that is vague and kinda BS...and then when said odd word is repeated as fact, it's very scummy. very republican even.'

[Stork]

you are the bottom of the list

i actually think you are a wolf

i'm reining my posting back on purpose and not just spamming

and that's because tdomes are silly and not a ton of people here would probably go through with it

Why is it silly?

if you are a villager and i am a wolf, its surely the highest ev play you can make because you always kill a wolf and you always clear yourself

the latter bit is unimportant

[Dp101]

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

[Cuthillius]

These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

okay

so let's not have him as one of the primary wagons right now

0 information

not unusually likely to be inactive scum

[Cuthillius]

Why is it silly?

if you are a villager and i am a wolf, its surely the highest ev play you can make because you always kill a wolf and you always clear yourself

the latter bit is unimportant

they drive away attention from everyone else

in the event that you are town it's really horrible all around

[Stork]

Kinda disappointing, I hoped you were something odd like vig half the time doc the other half, which would be a really interesting thematic choice, but this works too.

To Zach, please don't interpret the above as complaining about the setup, so far things have felt decently balanced.

lul?

you know ~no information about the setup other than your own role and that one vt and one non-vt has died and you are making a statement about the balance?

[Montmorency]

Though to be honest, Crimson, that sounds more like a potential Serial Killer.

If someone could find parallels in one of the wikis, that would be good.

[Visor]

I think johnhughthom is town

i would appreciate more cutting insights however

newyn and murska are kinda sketchy right now, newyn moreso than murska

feel like leaving them alone for now

i'm a little skeeved at winston hughes too

loltinfoil suggests winston/atpg/murska team and newyn is a villager

[Stork]

they drive away attention from everyone else

in the event that you are town it's really horrible all around

ok, so do you actually think i am a wolf or not?

[CrimsonFox]

i was being coy obviously because i want to keep the wolves guessing and not play all my cards before getting actual reactions to things.
I got some but not a lot. But there's still enough people jupming on my wagon for weirdness.

oh yeah I want to revisit bsmith. I've extremely disliked a lot of his possts...

however...the one he made where he lectures me for 3 paragraphs about why i am irrespnsible for not using my vig last night and that every vig should always use it...that seemed somewhat towny and the only post by him i've liked (even tho it was muddied up but bitching about my posting habits...another moot point that people need to shut up about)

[atheotes]

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

x-post.


These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

I dont think it is enought to warrant a lynch today. Only conclusion is that Crimson and Choxorn are not w/w. If Crimson is resolved as town, then the possibility of Choxorn being scum is high.

[Visor]

I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him

[Cuthillius]

ok, so do you actually think i am a wolf or not?

yes, but not enough for t'dome to be worth it

[Cuthillius]

i think atheotes is town

[Visor]

yes, but not enough for t'dome to be worth it

look cuth, if you think he is a wolf

lay it out for us.

quit this nancying about and just post it.

[Stork]

x-post.



I dont think it is enought to warrant a lynch today. Only conclusion is that Crimson and Choxorn are not w/w. If Crimson is resolved as town, then the possibility of Choxorn being scum is high.

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

[Dp101]

lul?

you know ~no information about the setup other than your own role and that one vt and one non-vt has died and you are making a statement about the balance?

Well, we don't have multiple day vigs, 4 kills a night, and 6 varieties of cop, so it feels good so far. I agree though, it was a bit premature, I'm just often careful online to take extra care to not do anything that might be interpreted as an insult, and given I was reprimanded for being overly snarky earlier I was going overboard.

[CrimsonFox]

I think johnhughthom is town

i would appreciate more cutting insights however

newyn and murska are kinda sketchy right now, newyn moreso than murska

feel like leaving them alone for now

i'm a little skeeved at winston hughes too

loltinfoil suggests winston/atpg/murska team and newyn is a villager

i saw one post from john a couple pages back. it really sucked.
are you SURE you think that is town behavior?

winston's initial posts really set me off. Weren't wacky and RP like Barto but weird in a hey i'm posting kinda way.
Don't know about pizza...you guys have been jumping on him and novice for awhile now. Will have to look at em.

nevyn/murska....murska needs to post more.
nevyn i haven't even seen post

[Cuthillius]

do you think i'm wolfy enough to be worth a thunderdome? why

make a case, doesn't have to be fancy

[CrimsonFox]

x-post.



I dont think it is enought to warrant a lynch today. Only conclusion is that Crimson and Choxorn are not w/w. If Crimson is resolved as town, then the possibility of Choxorn being scum is high.

wel;l that's just it, palsy-walsy...i may not resolve as anything.

[Visor]

i saw one post from john a couple pages back. it really sucked.
are you SURE you think that is town behavior?

winston's initial posts really set me off. Weren't wacky and RP like Barto but weird in a hey i'm posting kinda way.
Don't know about pizza...you guys have been jumping on him and novice for awhile now. Will have to look at em.

nevyn/murska....murska needs to post more.
nevyn i haven't even seen post

wrt john? yeah i think it is. his posting certainly doesnt seem like it has any kind of agenda to it.

[Stork]

do you think i'm wolfy enough to be worth a thunderdome? why

make a case, doesn't have to be fancy

You made a post that was constructed like this:

light wolf read on one player (who is a villager) using language that included "a bit wolfish"

light push on a different player (who is also very likely to be a villager)

vote on first player


that is how a wolf posts.

[CrimsonFox]

i think atheotes is town

based on WHAT

[Cuthillius]

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

evidence piece number one

this is a really nitpicky/wolfy thing to post

stork has been doing this similarly to novice

hasn't been posting about important stuff and the stuff he comments on are not the things i would think he would as town

looking for opportunities to exploit more than actual problems

[atheotes]

....
But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

What? I thought you were softclaiming even night vig. What was the basis for your speculation that Spaceman was also vig?

[Cuthillius]

based on WHAT

his posts just now

[Stork]

calling me a good player is also lolbad, your post about pizza was pretty terrible too regardless of it is w/w or w/v from your end.

you are unbelievably soft

you are just a wolf

[CrimsonFox]

Though to be honest, Crimson, that sounds more like a potential Serial Killer.

If someone could find parallels in one of the wikis, that would be good.

if i were a serial killer i would have actually...ya know,. killed last night

[Cuthillius]

You made a post that was constructed like this:

light wolf read on one player (who is a villager) using language that included "a bit wolfish"

light push on a different player (who is also very likely to be a villager)

vote on first player


that is how a wolf posts.

who is the different player again?

[Montmorency]

Nevyn made a semi-claim and left. I haven't been able to find out what tdome is. Thunderdome?

[Stork]

evidence piece number one

this is a really nitpicky/wolfy thing to post

stork has been doing this similarly to novice

hasn't been posting about important stuff and the stuff he comments on are not the things i would think he would as town

looking for opportunities to exploit more than actual problems

don't remember making a single post about novice, though if i did it wasn't specifically about novice because otherwise i would remember

how am i planning on exploiting this spot as a wolf, are you saying that choxorn is for sure my wolf bro?

[CrimsonFox]

What? I thought you were softclaiming even night vig. What was the basis for your speculation that Spaceman was also vig?

sorta kinda...i did want to see who was actually thinking about what i might be and didn't see much of that. Saw a couple people double down on how scummy i am like khaan and winston.

monty alone actually speculated.

[Cuthillius]

calling me a good player is also lolbad, your post about pizza was pretty terrible too regardless of it is w/w or w/v from your end.

you are unbelievably soft

you are just a wolf

calling you a good player is not lolbad

all i said is that pizza's town

i personally think the way he did it is never pizza!scum

i'm not unbelievably soft

i AM trying to lock in townreads

that is my priority

i am not focusing on finding scum as my main goal

[Stork]

who is the different player again?

visor

[atheotes]

Kinda disappointing, I hoped you were something odd like vig half the time doc the other half, which would be a really interesting thematic choice, but this works too.

To Zach, please don't interpret the above as complaining about the setup, so far things have felt decently balanced.

how can you say that?

[Cuthillius]

don't remember making a single post about novice, though if i did it wasn't specifically about novice because otherwise i would remember

how am i planning on exploiting this spot as a wolf, are you saying that choxorn is for sure my wolf bro?

not about novice, just novice has been doing the same sort of thing

and no

[Visor]

Nevyn made a semi-claim and left. I haven't been able to find out what tdome is. Thunderdome?

yes, basically two players going head to head at each other.

tunneling, essentially

[Cuthillius]

visor

ok i'm sorry i'm going to go look at the post again i do not remember this completely

[Stork]

calling you a good player is not lolbad

all i said is that pizza's town

i personally think the way he did it is never pizza!scum

i'm not unbelievably soft

i AM trying to lock in townreads

that is my priority

i am not focusing on finding scum as my main goal

thats not the post about pizza i am talking about

the post earlier about pizza being utr that seemed like a blatant pocket is the post i am talking about

[Visor]

calling you a good player is not lolbad

all i said is that pizza's town

i personally think the way he did it is never pizza!scum

i'm not unbelievably soft

i AM trying to lock in townreads

that is my priority

i am not focusing on finding scum as my main goal

cuth, i am struggling with this post because we recently mislynched pizza

and you were hemming and hawing

and this game you have a perfectly solid read on him, he is your LOCK TOWN

i don't get it?

I mean i dont think pizza is very wolfy but I can't see how he is lock town

[Cuthillius]

cuth+atpg maybe w/w

oh with this i realize you're still tunneling and you were talking about what i said about pizza, similar to what i said about you, earlier on

[CrimsonFox]

What? I thought you were softclaiming even night vig. What was the basis for your speculation that Spaceman was also vig?

oh forgot the last part...

The spaceman speculation was because he was Leela nothing more.

She seems like she might be a vig character as she kicks people and holds a blaster a lot.

Also because i think my role is not obviously THAT useful and since i've seen odd/even vig setups before it seemed logical that there is another partial vig or stronger than me vig out there. SInce there was no other kill besides barto, i don't think that anymore unless they too are hampered like me.

[Stork]

Nevyn made a semi-claim and left. I haven't been able to find out what tdome is. Thunderdome?

yes.

attempt to force a situation where the other players choose between two players, both of which strongly believe the other is scum, if one flips town you kill the other afterwards asap.

generally occurs if both players (and others) strongly believe they cannot ever be v/v

[Cuthillius]

cuth, i am struggling with this post because we recently mislynched pizza

and you were hemming and hawing

and this game you have a perfectly solid read on him, he is your LOCK TOWN

i don't get it?

I mean i dont think pizza is very wolfy but I can't see how he is lock town

yeah but he was posting really really strangely that game

like way outside of anything

i see this in his town range, but way out of his scum range

ymmv

[Dp101]

how can you say that?

I literally just explained that a page back.

[Montmorency]

if i were a serial killer i would have actually...ya know,. killed last night

I meant the idea of selective kill conditions that are not known to the role from the start. Sounds SK-ish. Not sure I've heard of such a thing before, for the vig not to know how he can kill.

[Cuthillius]

thats not the post about pizza i am talking about

the post earlier about pizza being utr that seemed like a blatant pocket is the post i am talking about

ok can you find my post about pizza being utr

i'm looking back at the other one rn

[CrimsonFox]

i'm so happy you guys are posting this much i could cry.

http://1.images.comedycentral.com/images/shows/Futurama/Videos/season_1/futurama_01_0107_tears_640x360.jpg

[Montmorency]

Right, and, what is Thunderdome?

[Stork]

ok can you find my post about pizza being utr

i'm looking back at the other one rn

its the same post

[atheotes]

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

well, he had a chance to get rid of a possible vig and he decided to take it.

[Visor]

yeah but he was posting really really strangely that game

like way outside of anything

i see this in his town range, but way out of his scum range

ymmv

what IS his town range

what IS his scum range

explain please

[Dp101]

Right, and, what is Thunderdome?

Stork just explained it.

[Montmorency]

Dammit. OK, someone answered. Sorry.

[CrimsonFox]

I meant the idea of selective kill conditions that are not known to the role from the start. Sounds SK-ish. Not sure I've heard of such a thing before, for the vig not to know how he can kill.

I have not heard of it before but i've played tons of games with customized roles.

[Stork]

Right, and, what is Thunderdome?

two players enter, one player leaves.

[Cuthillius]

Warning:ATPG is likely just reining in his posting

because he doesn't want to scare off all the ORG and CFCers again

ah this one

[Stork]

well, he had a chance to get rid of a possible vig and he decided to take it.

i need to look back at the timing of the posts but im not sure i totally agree but that seems reasonable

[Cuthillius]

what IS his town range

what IS his scum range

explain please

i can't define them

i just think the way he laid out his thoughts over those posts

and the fact that he did it over that many

and his tone

were pure

[Cuthillius]

ah this one

specifically addressing pelican in that post because he was talking about ATPG being UtR

and i don't get the feeling that ATPG ever would really play UTR

and i didn't want the people who haven't played with him to start having that idea

[Zack]

Official Tally

3 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Winston Hughes, khaan)
3 Montmorency (Pelican, novice, Murska)
3 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes)

2 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Pelican (Montmorency)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

---

2 Not Voting: Newyn, Riedquat

1 Not Posting: Choxorn

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Visor]

i can't define them

i just think the way he laid out his thoughts over those posts

and the fact that he did it over that many

and his tone

were pure

What?

he is lock town to you for reasons you can't explain because you can't define what his villager and scum game looks like?


https://i.imgur.com/63p0KXD.gif

why is your read so strong?

[Stork]

specifically addressing pelican in that post because he was talking about ATPG being UtR

and i don't get the feeling that ATPG ever would really play UTR

and i didn't want the people who haven't played with him to start having that idea

but they are playing the same game, if he is utr he is utr, it doesn't matter whether that is normal or not.

how does their idea of him matter whatsoever?

[Cuthillius]

Vote: El Barto

could see both barto and spaceman being wolves given the unvote here actually though

note

[Pelican]

Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.



Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

I see no conflict in principle. The whole reason I'm voting you is because I think the overall general and hypothetical nature with which you are presently approaching the game suggests an attitude that is at odds with what I expect from village.

The fact that I said attitude trumps content means that I think it doesn't matter weather someone's ideas are wrong or right, but rather that the attitude with which they are made seems villagery or not. That doesn't mean I don't care if people post their cases. I don't like the "need more information" angle because it has no utility. We don't have more information, but that doesn't mean we can't do the best we can with what we do have. I tend to run off of tone more than vote analysis anyways though, and I know some people prefer to come to conclusions by analyzing lynches, kills, bandwagons etc... so that's valid.

Also my question wasn't a rhetorical accusation that you aren't contributing, it was a genuine invitation to you to prove to me that your approach, though different than mine, also has merit. That invitation still stands. Essentially I'm asking you to consider "How are my actions helping me achieve my goals" and in the context of this game the only goal for village is finding the mafia.

Going to drop this for now and go to bed. Hopefully in the morning I can return with a fresh perspective something more productive to add than an argument which I worry is beginning to veer off track.

[Cuthillius]

but they are playing the same game, if he is utr he is utr, it doesn't matter whether that is normal or not.

how does their idea of him matter whatsoever?

if people focus on something they shouldn't be because they don't know better that is -ev right?

[Montmorency]

UtR

Thank you. In this instance you lowercased the "t", allowing me to infer 'Under the Radar'.

Now all of you, cut the jargon.

[Cuthillius]

What?

he is lock town to you for reasons you can't explain because you can't define what his villager and scum game looks like?


https://i.imgur.com/63p0KXD.gif

why is your read so strong?

i literally explained my reasoning

[Stork]

if people focus on something they shouldn't be because they don't know better that is -ev right?

so you are telling people about his meta, which he isn't playing to, in order to get them to focus on what???

[atheotes]

oh forgot the last part...

The spaceman speculation was because he was Leela nothing more.

She seems like she might be a vig character as she kicks people and holds a blaster a lot.

Also because i think my role is not obviously THAT useful and since i've seen odd/even vig setups before it seemed logical that there is another partial vig or stronger than me vig out there. SInce there was no other kill besides barto, i don't think that anymore unless they too are hampered like me.

hmm...i do see the possibility but it still seems like a stretch. But thanks for explaining.
Only VTs are allowed to post after death. Do we know if Spaceman not available or is he not allowed to post?


I literally just explained that a page back.

Yeah. i saw it..after posting. I am just a little behind

[Dp101]

Thank you. In this instance you lowercased the "t", allowing me to infer 'Under the Radar'.

Now all of you, cut the jargon.

Best post made by you in the entire thread (kidding, but seriously, I'm tired of googling words every 5 seconds).

[Cuthillius]

so you are telling people about his meta, which he isn't playing to, in order to get them to focus on what???

other things

[Dp101]

Yeah. i saw it..after posting. I am just a little behind

I understand, every time I take the time to post 5 more appear (like this one, which is why no multiquoting).

[Cuthillius]

Best post made by you in the entire thread (kidding, but seriously, I'm tired of googling words every 5 seconds).

then please just ask

[Cuthillius]

visor

was thinking about it

pizza has no agenda

never seen that as maf

never really seen it as town much either

but i don't think he adopts it as scum

given the player that he is

[Dp101]

then please just ask

I don't like clogging up the thread with constant questions, plus googling is faster.

[Stork]

other things

like what?

i am reading that page and no one is focussed on pizza and his posting so i don't understand how you are saying people needed to be unbogged by you bringing it up, when it seems likely that your post did the complete opposite (at least fmpov)

[Cuthillius]

meh

stork

you might be town actually

i still think your choices of comments are a little unusual

but i think you have been pushing me from a towny pov

looking at eod and now

[Stork]

cuth, i really think you are just a wolf because as a villager you would just handwave that off as a non-challant non-impactful comment, which is what it is, rather than attempting to doube down on it being a GOoD POaST with many merits

[Stork]

meh

stork

you might be town actually

i still think your choices of comments are a little unusual

but i think you have been pushing me from a towny pov

looking at eod and now

ok, well you are still a wolf

[Cuthillius]

like what?

i am reading that page and no one is focussed on pizza and his posting so i don't understand how you are saying people needed to be unbogged by you bringing it up, when it seems likely that your post did the complete opposite (at least fmpov)
literally anything else

oh well

[Cuthillius]

ok, well you are still a wolf

nope

[atheotes]

wel;l that's just it, palsy-walsy...i may not resolve as anything.

what do you mean?

[Stork]

literally anything else

oh well

you know when someone says "dont think about X", the first thing everyone thinks about is "X"

[Cuthillius]

and while i do see why you think so

you haven't played with me wolfing for a long time not counting turbos and even then

[Montmorency]

visor

was thinking about it

pizza has no agenda

never seen that as maf

never really seen it as town much either

but i don't think he adopts it as scum

given the player that he is

!!!

But we see it frequently enough with Pizza. It's just that he is fluid enough not to pin it to a single alignment.


I see no conflict in principle. The whole reason I'm voting you is because I think the overall general and hypothetical nature with which you are presently approaching the game suggests an attitude that is at odds with what I expect from village.

[...]

I don't like the "need more information" angle because it has no utility. We don't have more information

That's exactly what the Mafia uses against the Town: non-information and doublespeak. This is what you are doing. This isn't a difference between general and particular but an active attempt to avoid making any effort beyond a regurgitated vortex of sophistry. You could deploy it against anyone you like, and I'm sure you have a few more formulas like it tucked away.

And the audacity to frame it as a question of merit, when no concrete method or individual player has a record on the caliber of what you imply, is just too much. What are your objectives, and say something more useful than "town victory" or "find scum".

[Cuthillius]

you know when someone says "dont think about X", the first thing everyone thinks about is "X"

cool

i don't care

i misjudged a post

silly me

[Stork]

and while i do see why you think so

you haven't played with me wolfing for a long time not counting turbos and even then

i don't care about meta

[Cuthillius]

!!!

But we see it frequently enough with Pizza. It's just that he is fluid enough not to pin it to a single alignment.

I'm sorry, you see what often with Pizza?

[Cuthillius]

i don't care about meta

okay

[Stork]

as much as you might think i do*

wolfy things are wolfy regardless of who does them

meta can be manipulated

[Cuthillius]

as much as you might think i do*

wolfy things are wolfy regardless of who does them

meta can be manipulated

nevertheless my game is completely different than it was then

so things that may have been indicative at another time

[Cuthillius]

you think i'm scum

i think you aren't

end of story

[Montmorency]

I'm sorry, you see what often with Pizza?

Him dropping those sorts of long reads combined with predictions and recommendations.

[Stork]

nevertheless my game is completely different than it was then

so things that may have been indicative at another time

So are you saying you are playing wolfy, or you aren't?

I don't remember much from your game other than you aren't a soft ball of cheese as a villager, and you are this game so :shrug: what am i to think?

if that is off base, you (or preferably someone else) should tell me

[Cuthillius]

Him dropping those sorts of long reads combined with predictions and recommendations.

generally i've seen it in a big post with an agenda

[CrimsonFox]

what do you mean?

as i said...

I don't know if i can vig someone tonight. I will know when I can when I can.
Unless the wolves kill me...then i'll just flip town. doesn't look like roles are revealed

[Cuthillius]

Him dropping those sorts of long reads combined with predictions and recommendations.

generally i've seen it in a big post with an agenda

[Cuthillius]

sorry about the repost my browser went wonky

[Cuthillius]

So are you saying you are playing wolfy, or you aren't?

I don't remember much from your game other than you aren't a soft ball of cheese as a villager, and you are this game so :shrug: what am i to think?

if that is off base, you (or preferably someone else) should tell me

i'm not being a soft ball of cheese right now either

[Stork]

i'm not being a soft ball of cheese right now either

who are your wolves?

[Cuthillius]

who are your wolves?

novice

[Cuthillius]

i feel quite strongly about my townreads, tyvm :P

[Pelican]

Actually going to bed now but want to mention that in the time it took me to make that big post in response to Monty he posted like 5 other things that, trying to be more objective, I can see being reasonably productive, or at least more productive than I am being by tunneling him, so I'm willing to admit I'm maybe in the wrong there, but overall I still think Monty's a decent lynch.

Riedquat wagon seems meh, but I could maybe get behind novice. Need to read through his posts again.

Also I don't think Cuth looks very good in the current Cuth/Stork exchange. I'll need to re-read to figure out just why, but at the time of posting it looks like there was maybe some nervous pocketing going on.

[Dp101]

I don't remember much from your game other than you aren't a soft ball of cheese as a villager, and you are this game so :shrug: what am i to think?

if that is off base, you (or preferably someone else) should tell me

Not sure why you are saying he is soft? While his reads list hasn't really had much backing it up, it has been fairly static and he has been defending it constantly, which to me doesn't sound soft at all.

[Stork]

Not sure why you are saying he is soft? While his reads list hasn't really had much backing it up, it has been fairly static and he has been defending it constantly, which to me doesn't sound soft at all.

because he is soft on his wolves

its perfectly easy to be strong on town reads since no one cares about those

[CrimsonFox]

hi stork. what's goin on

[Stork]

hi stork. what's goin on

not much, just arguing with cuth in the thread as you may or may not have realised

[Cuthillius]

not much, just arguing with cuth in the thread as you may or may not have realised

i lol'd

[Dp101]

because he is soft on his wolves

its perfectly easy to be strong on town reads since no one cares about those

Hey, as someone he has been calling town since his first couple of posts, I care about town reads :P but yeah, I see what you mean about wolves. Doesn't change the fact that I am with El Barto, you are next on my list after this lynch goes through.

[CrimsonFox]

not much, just arguing with cuth in the thread as you may or may not have realised

oh...um...are you arguing? I didn't realize...

I dcould...uh...come back if you need a few...

[Cuthillius]

Hey, as someone he has been calling town since his first couple of posts, I care about town reads :P but yeah, I see what you mean about wolves. Doesn't change the fact that I am with El Barto, you are next on my list after this lynch goes through.

i do really think he's likely to be town

read through his posts towards me and today

tell me if you see much scummy motivation

i honestly don't, particularly the ones directly after the t-dome talk

[Stork]

Hey, as someone he has been calling town since his first couple of posts, I care about town reads :P but yeah, I see what you mean about wolves. Doesn't change the fact that I am with El Barto, you are next on my list after this lynch goes through.

you better come at me harder than cuth because el barto can't vote

:thumb:

[Cuthillius]

i plan to be hard about big-time scumreads

i haven't had any yet, shoot me

[Stork]

you can have as many town reads as you want, but yesterday we had what seems to be v/v/v/? wagons and a villager got lynched, so they don't seem to do that much good

[Dp101]

i do really think he's likely to be town

read through his posts towards me and today

tell me if you see much scummy motivation

i honestly don't, particularly the ones directly after the t-dome talk

While he has been looking better lately, right now this argument between you two feels like a wolf (Stork) trying to put the pressure on a vaguely scummy town (you), so I'm not convinced yet that he is innocent.


you better come at me harder than cuth because el barto can't vote

:thumb:

Oh, I am most definitely bemoaning this fact right about now.

[atheotes]

I dont think it is enought to warrant a lynch today. Only conclusion is that Crimson and Choxorn are not w/w. If Crimson is resolved as town, then the possibility of Choxorn being scum is high.
wel;l that's just it, palsy-walsy...i may not resolve as anything.


as i said...

I don't know if i can vig someone tonight. I will know when I can when I can.
Unless the wolves kill me...then i'll just flip town. doesn't look like roles are revealed

i said if you are resolved as town... and you may not resolve as anything. hence the qn.

[Cuthillius]

you can have as many town reads as you want, but yesterday we had what seems to be v/v/v/? wagons and a villager got lynched, so they don't seem to do that much good

you're being ridiculous if you're trying to connect my play in this game directly to the d1 eod

[Stork]

you're being ridiculous if you're trying to connect my play in this game directly to the d1 eod

i am mostly talking to dp

and no, im not connecting it i am just showing that town reads are only going to get anyone so far

[Stork]

what do you think of dps read on you cuth?

i think "vaguely scummy town" seems to be a pretty agenda'd way to give a read to me

[Cuthillius]

i am mostly talking to dp

and no, im not connecting it i am just showing that town reads are only going to get anyone so far

especially on d1 when almost any reads are not very good

not really doing a great job of showing that imo

[CrimsonFox]

i plan to be hard about big-time scumreads

i haven't had any yet, shoot me

okay

[Cuthillius]

what do you think of dps read on you cuth?

i think "vaguely scummy town" seems to be a pretty agenda'd way to give a read to me

meh, it's been consistent since eod yesterday i think

i'm never accepting dp as a scum suspect ever

after his posts d1

[Stork]

also, what makes you think i am a wolf pushing a vaguely scummy town rather than, for instance, a town pushing a vaguely scummy town

what makes you know he is town, but still know he is scummy?

[Cuthillius]

okay

good fox

[atheotes]

Cuth is coming off worser in the discussion with Stork. And I actually started from a position of Stork being scummy.

[CrimsonFox]

i said if you are resolved as town... and you may not resolve as anything. hence the qn.

oh I thought you were saying like what the other guys were saying with...

"if i kill someone tonight, then i am a vig, if i don't i must be scum..."

[CrimsonFox]

did someone say there were isos here somewhere?

[Dp101]

also, what makes you think i am a wolf pushing a vaguely scummy town rather than, for instance, a town pushing a vaguely scummy town

what makes you know he is town, but still know he is scummy?

I like his reads more than your's, and again, I trust El's opinion mostly because given that people tolerate his random posting, he must have some goddam incredible reads when he gets serious. And also, you know, the whole confirmed villager thing. I also dislike your minimal involvement on day 1.

[Cuthillius]

did someone say there were isos here somewhere?

go to the subforum page and click on replies and click on names

will be uncomplete i think tho

[Cuthillius]

heading off for the night

[Cuthillius]

go to the subforum page and click on replies and click on names

will be uncomplete i think tho

by uncomplete i mean not whole posts, you'll probably have to click to expand